From zjannessaril at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 06:29:47 2012
From: zjannessaril at gmail.com (Zahra Jannessari)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:59:47 +0330
Subject: [SFRA-L] Need Help with Some Bibliographical Details
Message-ID: <CALZLJ1nMEB-dphA5NjS=TU9oCuX9xVP-P1+hSgdjcC1vay8vVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friedns,

I am looking for the page numbers of "Twilight" written by Campbell and
published in the following:


Campbell, John W. Jr.?Twilight.? *The Best of John W. Campbell*. Ed. Lester
Del Rey. Garden City: Doubleday, 1976. ??-??.



Also the page numbers of the "introduction" published in the following:

Campbell, John W. Jr. Introduction. *Who Goes There?* New York:
RosettaBooks LLC, 2000. ??-??.













Thanks,

ZJ
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From zjannessaril at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 10:58:57 2012
From: zjannessaril at gmail.com (Zahra Jannessari)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:28:57 +0330
Subject: [SFRA-L] Need Help with Some Bibliographical Details
In-Reply-To: <3F7C5AA78CFC418D8FC88816960ECACF@userpc>
References: <CALZLJ1nMEB-dphA5NjS=TU9oCuX9xVP-P1+hSgdjcC1vay8vVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F7C5AA78CFC418D8FC88816960ECACF@userpc>
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Hi Edra,

Thanks for the useful information.

Best,
ZJ

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Edra Bogle <ecbogle at verizon.net> wrote:

> **
> "Twilight" begins on page 24 and ends on page 43 of the book club edition,
> which has the information you give on its title page.  In L. W. Curry's *Science
> Fiction and* *Fantasy Authors* p. 144 says: "Boards.  Two printings,
> priority as listed:  (A) Code G13 on page 306; (B) Code H23 on page 306.
> No statement of printing on copyright pae.  Edited, with introduction, by
> del Rey.  Note:  Issued by the Science Fiction Book Club."    My copy has
> the Code G13, so it's apparently the earlier printing.  Curry doesn't say
> anything about a non-book-club edition.  --  Edra Bogle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Zahra Jannessari <zjannessaril at gmail.com>
> *To:* sfra-l <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:29 AM
> *Subject:* [SFRA-L] Need Help with Some Bibliographical Details
>
>
> Dear Friedns,
>
> I am looking for the page numbers of "Twilight" written by Campbell and
> published in the following:
>
>
> Campbell, John W. Jr.?Twilight.? *The Best of John W. Campbell*. Ed.
> Lester Del Rey. Garden City: Doubleday, 1976. ??-??.
>
>
>
> Also the page numbers of the "introduction" published in the following:
>
> Campbell, John W. Jr. Introduction. *Who Goes There?* New York:
> RosettaBooks LLC, 2000. ??-??.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ZJ
>
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From ecbogle at verizon.net  Thu Mar  1 10:05:50 2012
From: ecbogle at verizon.net (Edra Bogle)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:05:50 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] Need Help with Some Bibliographical Details
References: <CALZLJ1nMEB-dphA5NjS=TU9oCuX9xVP-P1+hSgdjcC1vay8vVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F7C5AA78CFC418D8FC88816960ECACF@userpc>

"Twilight" begins on page 24 and ends on page 43 of the book club edition, which has the information you give on its title page.  In L. W. Curry's Science Fiction and Fantasy Authors p. 144 says: "Boards.  Two printings, priority as listed:  (A) Code G13 on page 306; (B) Code H23 on page 306.  No statement of printing on copyright pae.  Edited, with introduction, by del Rey.  Note:  Issued by the Science Fiction Book Club."    My copy has the Code G13, so it's apparently the earlier printing.  Curry doesn't say anything about a non-book-club edition.  --  Edra Bogle

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Zahra Jannessari 
  To: sfra-l 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:29 AM
  Subject: [SFRA-L] Need Help with Some Bibliographical Details



  Dear Friedns,

  I am looking for the page numbers of "Twilight" written by Campbell and published in the following:

  Campbell, John W. Jr.?Twilight.? The Best of John W. Campbell. Ed. Lester Del Rey. Garden City: Doubleday, 1976. ??-??.



  Also the page numbers of the "introduction" published in the following:


  Campbell, John W. Jr. Introduction. Who Goes There? New York: RosettaBooks LLC, 2000. ??-??.














  Thanks,

  ZJ



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From Lincoln.Geraghty at port.ac.uk  Thu Mar  1 11:42:31 2012
From: Lincoln.Geraghty at port.ac.uk (Lincoln Geraghty)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:42:31 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Popular Media Cultures Symposium: Registration Now Open
Message-ID: <4F4FA6F70200009A0001D80B@gw-gwia2.iso.port.ac.uk>

REGISTRATION NOW OPEN FOR:
 

Popular Media Cultures: Writing in the Margins and Reading Between the Lines
A One Day Symposium to be held at the Odeon Cinema, Covent Garden, London
Saturday 19th May 2012
Keynote Address by:
Prof. Henry Jenkins, University of Southern California
Popular Media Cultures seeks to explore the relationship between audiences and media texts, their paratexts and interconnected ephemera, and the related cultural practices that add to and expand the narrative worlds with which fans engage. How audiences make meaning out of established media texts will be discussed in connection with the new texts produced by fans. The symposium will focus on the cultural work done by media audiences, how they engage with new technologies and how convergence culture impacts on the strategies and activities of popular media fans.
With papers by: Stacey Abbott, Joanne Garde-Hansen & Kristyn Gorton, Matt Hills, Mark Jancovich, Roberta E. Pearson and Cornel Sandvoss.
Fees (including lunch and refreshments)*:
?50 Full rate
?25 Student reduced rate
*Delegates on the day will receive a 10% discount on purchases made at the Forbidden Planet Megastore on presentation of their symposium name badge.
For further details of how to register and attend the event go to the our website at: http://popularmediacultures.port.ac.uk/
The Symposium is supported by the Centre for Cultural and Creative Research at the University of Portsmouth. See: http://www.port.ac.uk/research/cccr/
 
Dr Lincoln Geraghty
Reader in Popular Media Cultures
Director of the Centre for Cultural and Creative Research
School of Creative Arts, Film and Media
University of Portsmouth
 
CCCR Website: http://www.port.ac.uk/research/cccr/
 
Coordinator, Popular Media Cultures Symposium:  www.popularmediacultures.port.ac.uk
 
Editor, Directory of World Cinema: American Hollywood, Intellect Books
http://www.worldcinemadirectory.org/
 
Profile:
http://www.port.ac.uk/departments/academic/scafm/staff/title,22309,en.html
 
Mail: 
3.30 St George's Building, 141 High Street, Old Portsmouth, PO1 2HY, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 239 284 5754
Fax: +44 (0) 239 284 5372 
E-mail: Lincoln.Geraghty at port.ac.uk
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Thu Mar  1 18:50:39 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:50:39 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] Textual Question on Arthur C. Clarke's CHILDHOOD'S END
Message-ID: <BE42E4D4-0637-4322-B07C-5E3DF680221A@MUOhio.edu>

I'm using for the source for a quotation my old paperback edn. of Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 novel _Childhood's End_ (New York: Ballantine, 1970).

> The first [invention facilitating a near-future, temporary Golden Age on Earth] was a completely reliable oral contraceptive: the second was an equally infallible method ? as certain as fingerprinting, and based on a very detailed analysis of the blood ? of identifying the father of any child. The effect of these two inventions upon human society could only be described as devastating [sic], and they had swept away the last remnants of the Puritan aberration.
> 
>                   ? A. C. Clarke, Childhood's End (1953 [II.6: p. 73])
> 
This is OK for a blog-post headnote, but I'd like eventually to get a revised version of my essay published where it might get read. So, my question: Am I stuck with "devastating" here? The U.S. Library of Congress lists four editions of _Childhood's End_ (and a "sound recording") ? anyone know of a version where Clarke rethought his word choice with "devastating"?

Rich
Relevant blog <http://open.salon.com/blog/richard_erlich/2012/03/01/contraception_yet_again_its_a_guy_thing>

(Side comment: Nice to know that SF from 1953 can still be kind of daring ? though maybe not so nice given the context of a campaign for President of the United States. Even more aside aside: It's a little disconcerting to come across "infallible" w/o modification in a line on a near-future technology. I was taught in 1961 ? as moldy old wisdom ? "Any system involving machines will be less than 100% efficient; any system involving humans will be less than 100% efficient. Any system involving humans and machines will screw up." Ditto for technology instead of machines, including what we now call biotechnology.)

______________________________________
Richard D. Erlich
Professor Emeritus in English
Port Hueneme, CA 




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From sands at uwm.edu  Fri Mar  2 10:24:58 2012
From: sands at uwm.edu (Peter Sands)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:24:58 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] Robot Legal Rights
Message-ID: <4F50E64A.7050104@uwm.edu>

Those of you in the Miami area might find this conference on the legal 
status of robots interesting:

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/2012/03/conference-announcement-we-robot-at-miami.html


-- 
Peter Sands
Associate Chair for Undergraduate Studies
UW-Milwaukee English Department
http://www.uwm.edu/~sands ||  http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/English
414.229.4416 || 414.229.2643 (fax)
Editor, H-UTOPIA || http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~utopia/



From bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 15:14:40 2012
From: bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Nichols)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 20:14:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Textual Question on Arthur C. Clarke's CHILDHOOD'S END
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1330707610.51500.sfra-l@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
References: <mailman.11.1330707610.51500.sfra-l@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <1330719280.43205.YahooMailNeo@web29506.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Rich,

if it helps, my edition of CHILDHOOD'S END has exactly the same wording. I have the UK Pan paperback from 1979, which says it was the 23rd printing of the volume first published by Sidgwick & Jackson in 1956. (I assume therefore that this is a re-printing of the UK first edition text.)

I may be missing something, but I don't see why the word "devastating" is inappropriate. My dictionary allows the word to mean "destroy" or "stun, cause shock".

- Phil
www.bradburymedia.co.uk------------------------------


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:50:39 -0800
From: Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu>
To: ListServ SFRA <SFRA-L at charlemagne.cddc.VT.EDU>, iafa-l at sigcis.org
Subject: [SFRA-L] Textual Question on Arthur C. Clarke's CHILDHOOD'S
??? END
Message-ID: <BE42E4D4-0637-4322-B07C-5E3DF680221A at MUOhio.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

I'm using for the source for a quotation my old paperback edn. of Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 novel _Childhood's End_ (New York: Ballantine, 1970).

> The first [invention facilitating a near-future, temporary Golden Age on Earth] was a completely reliable oral contraceptive: the second was an equally infallible method ? as certain as fingerprinting, and based on a very detailed analysis of the blood ? of identifying the father of any child. The effect of these two inventions upon human society could only be described as devastating [sic], and they had swept away the last remnants of the Puritan aberration.
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  ? A. C. Clarke, Childhood's End (1953 [II.6: p. 73])
> 
This is OK for a blog-post headnote, but I'd like eventually to get a revised version of my essay published where it might get read. So, my question: Am I stuck with "devastating" here? The U.S. Library of Congress lists four editions of _Childhood's End_ (and a "sound recording") ? anyone know of a version where Clarke rethought his word choice with "devastating"?

Rich
Relevant blog <http://open.salon.com/blog/richard_erlich/2012/03/01/contraception_yet_again_its_a_guy_thing>

(Side comment: Nice to know that SF from 1953 can still be kind of daring ? though maybe not so nice given the context of a campaign for President of the United States. Even more aside aside: It's a little disconcerting to come across "infallible" w/o modification in a line on a near-future technology. I was taught in 1961 ? as moldy old wisdom ? "Any system involving machines will be less than 100% efficient; any system involving humans will be less than 100% efficient. Any system involving humans and machines will screw up." Ditto for technology instead of machines, including what we now call biotechnology.)

______________________________________
Richard D. Erlich
Professor Emeritus in English
Port Hueneme, CA 
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From alsuppia at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 21:42:13 2012
From: alsuppia at gmail.com (Alfredo Luiz Suppia)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 23:42:13 -0300
Subject: [SFRA-L] =?iso-8859-1?q?Zanzal=E1_n=2E2?=
Message-ID: <CAED7z2P0M66mOF3UzE_ugsX7N5HeBAn2NMUa4QO8zvWxxnQF7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear SFRA members,

*Zanzal? ? The Brazilian Journal for SF Studies** *(ISSN 2236-8191) n.2 is
available online: http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/2012/02/29/edicao-atual/ .
Please find below the current summary (table of contents).
With best regards,

Alfredo Suppia
Assistant Professor of Film Studies
Federal University of Juiz de Fora
Brazil



*Zanzal? ? Estudos de Fic??o Cient?fica | n.2 | vol. 1 | 2o sem. 2011 |
ISSN 2236-8191*

*NEW CARTOGRAPHIES FOR WORLD SCIENCE FICTION*



ENSAIOS | ESSAYS



*Cuando El Santo Oficio realmente fue santo: Sobre un fraile que escribi?
un viaje a La Luna mientras era juzgado por La Inquisici?n y otro fraile
que, no obstante trabajar para Ella, sali? a defender lo que el primero
escribi?* <http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=493>

*When the Holy Office really was holy: About a friar Who wrote a Moon
Voyage while being prosecuted by the Holy Inquisition and another friar
Who, in spite of working for it, defended what the former wrote*

Miguel ?ngel Fern?ndez Delgado



*Science Fiction as Mainstream Literature: The Spanish scientific romance
and its reception before the 1936 Spanish Civil War*

*Part 1* <http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=442>

*Part 2* <http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=511>

*Works cited / comprehensive bibliography*<http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=513>

Mariano Mart?n Rodr?guez



*La Novela Fant?stica (1937): Primera Revista de Ciencia Ficci?n en Lengua
Espa?ola* <http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=436>

*La Novela Fant?stica (1937): The first science fiction magazine in Spanish
language*

Carlos Abraham



SHORT PAPERS



*?O homem do furo na m?o?, de Ign?cio de Loyola Brand?o, e fic??o
cient?fica como tend?ncia gen?rica* <http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=577>

*Ign?cio de Loyola Brand?o ?The man with a hole in his hand?, and science
fiction as a tendency*

Ramiro Giroldo



RESENHAS | REVIEWS



*Antes das Primeiras Est?rias, Jo?o Guimar?es
Rosa*<http://www.ufjf.br/lefcav/?p=540>
Roberto de Sousa Causo
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From SDBERMAN at oaklandcc.edu  Sun Mar  4 13:44:11 2012
From: SDBERMAN at oaklandcc.edu (Berman, Steven D)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:44:11 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] 2012 SFRA Conference in Detroit: March Update
Message-ID: <EA1A62A463A8E440A706F35295E19A870DBBD57F@excsrv2.occnt.ad>

SFRA Conference 2012, Detroit, Michigan June 28-July 1, 2012 

                        March Update

I want to begin this update by introducing our seventh featured guest: Professor Melissa Littlefield from the University of Illinois. Her most recent book is The Lying Brain: Lie Detection in Science and Science Fiction (University of Michigan Press, 2011). Check out her list of publications at the University of Illinois faculty website (under People). Melissa is very much looking forward to being a part of the 2012 SFRA conference.

The item that needs to be addressed in this update is the change in the hotel menu. Two of the meals that I posted as choices on the SFRA conference website are being pulled from the Courtyard menu. The vegetarian polenta dish and the roasted pork loin will not be available for the conference. I have changed the menu choices on the conference website. However, if you have already registered for the conference and selected one of these canceled meals for the banquet, I will contact you via e-mail and let you know. You can just let me know your replacement item via e-mail. No need to go back to the registration form. The three choices left are Vegetarian Pasta, Maple Cured Salmon, and Michigan Cherry Chicken. 

Look for further information in the April website, including an update of the web stats. 

The conference will begin in 115 days. 

Steve Berman

sfradetroit2012.com

sdberman1121 at gmail.com  

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From rob.latham at ucr.edu  Sun Mar  4 22:45:05 2012
From: rob.latham at ucr.edu (Rob Latham)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:45:05 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] China Mieville conference deadline extended
Message-ID: <529C2B6B-51D1-4BB4-8181-62F9341B5C27@ucr.edu>

Weird Council: An International Conference on the Writing of China  
Mi?ville



------CFP DEADLINE EXTENDED------



Saturday 15th September 2012
Senate House, University of London



Sponsored by Gylphi: Arts and Humanities Publisher, Birkbeck,  
University of London and the University of Lincoln


Part of the Gylphi Contemporary Writers series



Keynote Speakers:
Professor Sherryl Vint (Brock University)
Professor Roger Luckhurst (Birkbeck, University of London)

Response and Q&A from China Mi?ville





Papers are invited for the first academic conference dedicated to the  
work of China Mi?ville. The winner of multiple awards, Mi?ville has  
developed a distinguished body of fictional work since the publication  
of his first novel, King Rat, in 1999. In addition to nine published  
novels (with his next forthcoming in May 2012) as well as a collection  
of short stories, Mi?ville is also a respected literary critic,  
political activist and legal scholar. His post-Suvinian working  
through of the ?Fantastic? as a generic category encompassing SF,  
fantasy and the Gothic, as well as avant-garde traditions such as  
Surrealism, has been influential in cutting across received boundaries  
of genre. Mi?ville?s monograph Between Equal Rights: A Marxist Theory  
of International Law was published in 2005 and he has written and  
edited articles for a variety of journals; from Historical Materialism  
and the philosophical journal Collapse, to the Harvard International  
Law Journal.



Influenced by, among others, late-nineteenth and early-twentieth- 
century pulp traditions and New Wave SF ? especially the work of M.  
John Harrison ? Mi?ville has recently been credited as ?leading  
revolutions in fantasy as both a writer and a critic? (in a 2009  
special edition of SF journal Extrapolation dedicated to his work).  
His fiction spans a wide variety of themes, contexts and genre- 
blurring literary traditions, which metaphorically explores, among  
other things, the implications of lived cultural, racial and  
geographical boundaries, collective struggle, and bodily affect.



Despite the critical acclaim of Mi?ville?s fictions ? as well as his  
prominence as a literary and cultural critic ? there is little  
scholarly work on Mi?ville?s already substantial oeuvre. The  
organisers welcome papers on any topic related to Mi?ville?s writing  
from any disciplinary position. Topics might include, but are not  
limited to:



Mi?ville and his literary contexts ? the New Weird, the British SF  
Boom, London Gothic, steampunk, post-cyberpunk, post-genre fiction,  
slipstream
utopian and dystopian thinking
class, social mobility, poverty and social inequality
the critique of racism
revolution and the critique of capitalist modernity
spaces of alterity
urban and spatial phantasmagorias
Marxist theory and aesthetics
Metaphor vs. Allegory
teratology and hybridity
noir and crime
gender, sexuality, and feminism
religion and religious cults
posthumanism
Young Adult literature
post-Suvinian SF criticism
political writing and activism
hierarchies of high and low culture
fan subcultures and geek aesthetics
comics and role playing games
affinities with key figures in the British fantastic tradition (e.g.  
Mervyn Peake and M. John Harrison



The conference welcomes proposals for individual papers and panels  
from any discipline and theoretical perspective. Submissions are  
welcome from both research students and academics. Please send a title  
and 300 word abstract for a 20 minute paper along with your name,  
affiliation and 100 word professional biography to  
mieville at gylphi.co.uk by Friday 30th March 2012.



The conference is organised by Dr Caroline Edwards, Lecturer in  
English, University of Lincoln and Tony Venezia, PhD Candidate and  
Tutor, Birkbeck, University of London.



http://lincoln.ac.uk/humanities/staff/3004.asp
http://birkbeck.academia.edu/TonyVenezia




The conference is sponsored by Gylphi Arts and Humanities Publisher,  
the Department of English, University of Lincoln and the School of  
Arts, Birkbeck, University of London. Selected papers from the  
conference proceedings will be published as China Mi?ville: Critical  
Essays, with a contribution by Mi?ville, as part of Gylphi?s  
Contemporary Writers: Critical Essays series (Series Editor: Dr Sarah  
Dillon). For more information regarding the Series see:



http://www.gylphi.co.uk/criticalessays/index.php





Conference website:

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/arts/news/weird-council-the-writing-of-china-mieville





Facebook group:

http://www.facebook.com/events/144354272327071/
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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Mon Mar  5 12:36:43 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:36:43 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F708@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Dear Hive Mind--

So I'm writing something abt "libertarian" sf, and one of the things I'm reading is Dan Simmons' newest book, _Flashback_.

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance. (Certainly more "conservative" than "libertarian," at least so far.) Very much like, say, John Ringo's tone and commentary, in such things as _The Last Centurion_.

While I'm always careful to distinguish authors and narrators, consistent patterns across books does indeed indicate something abt authors.

I'm racking my brain, however: while I've read a good portion of Simmons' work--especially the sf books--I can't recall any text that went off on screeds abt contemporary US politics.

Does anyone remember anything in Simmons that's overtly, aggressively, and unequivocally a didactic fiction (or portion thereof) on politics, left, right, or center?


Thanks for yr efforts,
--Neil
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From cms at dragon.com  Mon Mar  5 16:20:17 2012
From: cms at dragon.com (Cindy Smith)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:20:17 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs
 from Prisoners
Message-ID: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>

   On another mailing list someone asked about an sf story which  
featured a society in which the organs of prisoners were harvested.  I  
posted the following reply:

   I think I remember this science fiction story.  If I remember
right, one prisoner escaped and destroyed a lab filled with hundreds
of organs.  He claimed he wanted to do something that was actually
worth dying for.  At his trial, the prosecutor didn't mention his
destruction of the organs, figuring his case was sufficient.  The
prisoner was accused of running three traffic lights.

   The original sf reader requested information on the title and  
author.  If anyone remembers this story, please let me know.  Thanks!

Yours,

-- 
Cindy Smith
cms at dragon.com

"All your base are belong to us.  You are on the way to destruction."   
"What you say?"  "You have no chance to survive make your time."   
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.  The Federation will be  
destroyed.  Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!  "Ubi est mors victoria  
tua?  ubi est mors stimulus tuus?  Stimulus autem mortis peccatum est:  
  virtus vero peccati lex.  Deo autem gratias qui dedit nobis  
victoriam per Dominum nostrum Ieusum Christum" (1 Cor 15:55-57).

A Real Live Catholic in Georgia!






From aevans2 at tds.net  Mon Mar  5 16:27:14 2012
From: aevans2 at tds.net (aevans2 tds.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:27:14 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs
 from Prisoners
In-Reply-To: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
References: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
Message-ID: <CACmf7pKtxphgaSFV54m+PLUE8iNxcNFxc5QejA8Zu7zO7qKSZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy,

Larry Niven, "The Jigsaw Man."  I believe it was first published in
Ellison's _Dangerous Visions_ (1967).

Best,
Art


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Cindy Smith <cms at dragon.com> wrote:

>  On another mailing list someone asked about an sf story which featured a
> society in which the organs of prisoners were harvested.  I posted the
> following reply:
>
>  I think I remember this science fiction story.  If I remember
> right, one prisoner escaped and destroyed a lab filled with hundreds
> of organs.  He claimed he wanted to do something that was actually
> worth dying for.  At his trial, the prosecutor didn't mention his
> destruction of the organs, figuring his case was sufficient.  The
> prisoner was accused of running three traffic lights.
>
>  The original sf reader requested information on the title and author.  If
> anyone remembers this story, please let me know.  Thanks!
>
> Yours,
>
> --
> Cindy Smith
> cms at dragon.com
>
> "All your base are belong to us.  You are on the way to destruction."
>  "What you say?"  "You have no chance to survive make your time."  Dulce et
> decorum est pro patria mori.  The Federation will be destroyed.  Me
> transmitte sursum, Caledoni!  "Ubi est mors victoria tua?  ubi est mors
> stimulus tuus?  Stimulus autem mortis peccatum est:  virtus vero peccati
> lex.  Deo autem gratias qui dedit nobis victoriam per Dominum nostrum
> Ieusum Christum" (1 Cor 15:55-57).
>
> A Real Live Catholic in Georgia!
>
>
>
>
>
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From mikerose at starband.net  Mon Mar  5 16:38:12 2012
From: mikerose at starband.net (Mike Rose)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:38:12 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs
	from Prisoners
In-Reply-To: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
References: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
Message-ID: <55A9DB80AB2F49FDAF6D381A77D78302@Mike230>

Going back to the original question, there's Cordwainer Smith's A Planet 
Called Shayol.

M



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HC61 Box299
Glenwood
NM 88039
USA

Telephone: 575 539 2868

Alternative e-mail:-
mike.rose at duke.edu
rosemd at umdnj.edu
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Cindy Smith
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM
To: SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs 
from Prisoners

   On another mailing list someone asked about an sf story which
featured a society in which the organs of prisoners were harvested.  I
posted the following reply:

   I think I remember this science fiction story.  If I remember
right, one prisoner escaped and destroyed a lab filled with hundreds
of organs.  He claimed he wanted to do something that was actually
worth dying for.  At his trial, the prosecutor didn't mention his
destruction of the organs, figuring his case was sufficient.  The
prisoner was accused of running three traffic lights.

   The original sf reader requested information on the title and
author.  If anyone remembers this story, please let me know.  Thanks!

Yours,

-- 
Cindy Smith
cms at dragon.com

"All your base are belong to us.  You are on the way to destruction."
"What you say?"  "You have no chance to survive make your time."
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.  The Federation will be
destroyed.  Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!  "Ubi est mors victoria
tua?  ubi est mors stimulus tuus?  Stimulus autem mortis peccatum est:
  virtus vero peccati lex.  Deo autem gratias qui dedit nobis
victoriam per Dominum nostrum Ieusum Christum" (1 Cor 15:55-57).

A Real Live Catholic in Georgia!





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From erlichrd at muohio.edu  Mon Mar  5 17:04:54 2012
From: erlichrd at muohio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:04:54 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] Fwd: Drones, Robots,
	Swarms (micro-spies [and nano assassins?])
References: <21B39AD9-0CAA-4EC4-93F5-54071B5442C8@winthrop.edu>
Message-ID: <BADF6132-05AA-4632-8363-8E3F16531D18@muohio.edu>

Real-world development of some SF tropes (although the most dangerous robot may be the one that takes your job). ? Rich E.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chad D. <xxx.edu>
> Subject: seen these quadrotator robots...?
> Date: 5 March 2012 12:40:09 PST
> To: "Erlich, Richard D. Dr." <erlichrd at muohio.edu>

HOME /  TECHNOLOGY :  INNOVATION, THE INTERNET, GADGETS, AND MORE.
SLATE on line
I Love You, Killer Robots
Quadrotor drones are amazing and cute and will probably destroy us all.
By Farhad Manjoo|Posted Monday, March 5, 2012, at 6:38 AM ET

http://tinyurl.com/6vy4pn8

> 
> What you're smelling is the end of humanity...
> 
> 
> Chad 
> 
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Mon Mar  5 17:16:41 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:16:41 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs
	from Prisoners
In-Reply-To: <CACmf7pKtxphgaSFV54m+PLUE8iNxcNFxc5QejA8Zu7zO7qKSZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
	<CACmf7pKtxphgaSFV54m+PLUE8iNxcNFxc5QejA8Zu7zO7qKSZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F40E28C8-9D8E-4660-979B-EE6AD6E4543B@MUOhio.edu>

On 05/03/2012, at 13:27, aevans2 tds.net wrote:

> Hi Cindy,
> 
> Larry Niven, "The Jigsaw Man."  I believe it was first published in Ellison's _Dangerous Visions_ (1967).
> 
> Best,
> Art

________________________________________

Yes, Contento Index lists first publication _Dangerous Visions_.

* The Jigsaw Man, (ss) Dangerous Visions, ed. Harlan Ellison, Garden City, NY: Doubleday 1967
All the Myriad Ways, Ballantine 1971
Tales of Known Space: The Universe of Larry Niven, Ballantine 1975
The Road to Science Fiction #3, ed. James E. Gunn, Mentor 1979
The Survival of Freedom, ed. Jerry E. Pournelle & John F. Carr, Fawcett Crest 1981
The motif was used on TV in _Max Headroom_ and by Michael Crichton in COMA <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077355/> ? etc. 
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From clan.rockwood at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 17:45:11 2012
From: clan.rockwood at gmail.com (Sue & Bruce Rockwood)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:45:11 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query for the Hive Mind: Story about Harvesting Organs
 from Prisoners
In-Reply-To: <F40E28C8-9D8E-4660-979B-EE6AD6E4543B@MUOhio.edu>
References: <20120305162017.10212v1264fh7k0h@galaxy.dragon.com>
	<CACmf7pKtxphgaSFV54m+PLUE8iNxcNFxc5QejA8Zu7zO7qKSZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F40E28C8-9D8E-4660-979B-EE6AD6E4543B@MUOhio.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKh09Nd+YUD=drFmJ3JGP3k4MFZfD6_q+5fqOKzkt0w8uNHw2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Larry Niven's novel "A Gift From Earth" addresses this too.  Bruce Rockwood

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> wrote:

> On 05/03/2012, at 13:27, aevans2 tds.net wrote:
>
> Hi Cindy,
>
> Larry Niven, "The Jigsaw Man."  I believe it was first published in
> Ellison's _Dangerous Visions_ (1967).
>
> Best,
> Art
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
> Yes, Contento Index lists first publication _Dangerous Visions_.
> *
> *
> ** <http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/l54.htm#L192> The Jigsaw Man,
> (ss) Dangerous Visions, ed. Harlan Ellison, Garden City, NY: Doubleday
> 1967 <http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/t40.htm#A853>
>
>    - All the Myriad Ways, Ballantine 1971<http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/t73.htm#A1585>
>    - Tales of Known Space: The Universe of Larry Niven, Ballantine 1975<http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/t73.htm#A1593>
>    - The Road to Science Fiction #3, ed. James E. Gunn, Mentor 1979<http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/t130.htm#A2754>
>    - The Survival of Freedom, ed. Jerry E. Pournelle & John F. Carr,
>    Fawcett Crest 1981<http://www.philsp.com/homeville/isfac/t146.htm#A3056>
>
> *
> The motif was used on TV in _*Max Headroom_* and by Michael Crichton in
> COMA <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077355/> ? etc.
>
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From A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Mar  6 07:34:46 2012
From: A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk (Sawyer, Andy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:34:46 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F708@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F708@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818C03083@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance.

I?ve not read FLASHBACK but I?m interested by ?Stapledon . . .  conservative? ? Clarke yes, but Stapledon was associated politically with the Left, although his ?cosmic? viewpoint might be seen otherwise. And what was radical-left in the 30s could well be construed as otherwise 70+ years later.

I?ve certainly noted Stapledonian-cosmic themes in some of Simmons?s sf, but I don?t think I was reading for specifically political content when I read him.

--------------------------------
Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/

"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Easterbrook, Neil
Sent: 05 March 2012 17:37
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query

Dear Hive Mind--

So I'm writing something abt "libertarian" sf, and one of the things I'm reading is Dan Simmons' newest book, _Flashback_.

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance. (Certainly more "conservative" than "libertarian," at least so far.) Very much like, say, John Ringo's tone and commentary, in such things as _The Last Centurion_.

While I'm always careful to distinguish authors and narrators, consistent patterns across books does indeed indicate something abt authors.

I'm racking my brain, however: while I've read a good portion of Simmons' work--especially the sf books--I can't recall any text that went off on screeds abt contemporary US politics.

Does anyone remember anything in Simmons that's overtly, aggressively, and unequivocally a didactic fiction (or portion thereof) on politics, left, right, or center?


Thanks for yr efforts,
--Neil
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From eotto at fgcu.edu  Tue Mar  6 10:23:06 2012
From: eotto at fgcu.edu (Otto, Dr. Eric)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:23:06 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] CFP: Science Fiction & Environment Workshop in Sweden next
	April
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"An international workshop exploring the complex representation of natural and technological ecologies in science fiction in and across its varied media - novels, short stories, films, animation, comic books, computer games."

For more information: http://www.org.umu.se/usste/eng/research/workshops-and-conferences/science-fiction-across-media/

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Florida Gulf Coast University
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phone: (239) 590-7250
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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Tue Mar  6 10:33:56 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:33:56 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query
In-Reply-To: <800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818C03083@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F708@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
	<800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818C03083@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E02AA569@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Andy-

Sorry that I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to say anything abt Stapledon's or ACC's politics, but abt how they give third-person narrators the job of didactic moralizing, or summarizing huge cosmic events, and so forth. Heinlein is just as didactic, tho he gives preaching to characters rather than the narrator.

My copy of The City and the Stars is at home, but a good example is the moment when the narrator explains "the master" and his robot-and how in the last billion years finally false religion was replaced by science, etc. Hectoring, and omniscient. There are lots of similar moments in The Hammer of God, 3001, Childhood's, etc.

--Neil

From: Sawyer, Andy [mailto:A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:35 AM
To: Easterbrook, Neil; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: RE: dan simmons query

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance.

I've not read FLASHBACK but I'm interested by "Stapledon . . .  conservative" - Clarke yes, but Stapledon was associated politically with the Left, although his "cosmic" viewpoint might be seen otherwise. And what was radical-left in the 30s could well be construed as otherwise 70+ years later.

I've certainly noted Stapledonian-cosmic themes in some of Simmons's sf, but I don't think I was reading for specifically political content when I read him.

--------------------------------
Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/

"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Easterbrook, Neil
Sent: 05 March 2012 17:37
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query

Dear Hive Mind--

So I'm writing something abt "libertarian" sf, and one of the things I'm reading is Dan Simmons' newest book, _Flashback_.

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance. (Certainly more "conservative" than "libertarian," at least so far.) Very much like, say, John Ringo's tone and commentary, in such things as _The Last Centurion_.

While I'm always careful to distinguish authors and narrators, consistent patterns across books does indeed indicate something abt authors.

I'm racking my brain, however: while I've read a good portion of Simmons' work--especially the sf books--I can't recall any text that went off on screeds abt contemporary US politics.

Does anyone remember anything in Simmons that's overtly, aggressively, and unequivocally a didactic fiction (or portion thereof) on politics, left, right, or center?


Thanks for yr efforts,
--Neil
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From A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Mar  6 11:07:33 2012
From: A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk (Sawyer, Andy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:07:33 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E02AA569@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F708@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
	<800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818C03083@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>
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Ah, that makes sense, Neil ? I had read something about THE LAST CENTURION (which also I hadn?t read) taking a right-ish approach to various issues, so I thought you were on that track.

--------------------------------
Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/

"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: Easterbrook, Neil [mailto:n.easterbrook at tcu.edu]
Sent: 06 March 2012 15:34
To: Sawyer, Andy; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: RE: dan simmons query

Andy?

Sorry that I wasn?t clear. I didn?t mean to say anything abt Stapledon?s or ACC?s politics, but abt how they give third-person narrators the job of didactic moralizing, or summarizing huge cosmic events, and so forth. Heinlein is just as didactic, tho he gives preaching to characters rather than the narrator.

My copy of The City and the Stars is at home, but a good example is the moment when the narrator explains ?the master? and his robot?and how in the last billion years finally false religion was replaced by science, etc. Hectoring, and omniscient. There are lots of similar moments in The Hammer of God, 3001, Childhood?s, etc.

--Neil

From: Sawyer, Andy [mailto:A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:35 AM
To: Easterbrook, Neil; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: RE: dan simmons query

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance.

I?ve not read FLASHBACK but I?m interested by ?Stapledon . . .  conservative? ? Clarke yes, but Stapledon was associated politically with the Left, although his ?cosmic? viewpoint might be seen otherwise. And what was radical-left in the 30s could well be construed as otherwise 70+ years later.

I?ve certainly noted Stapledonian-cosmic themes in some of Simmons?s sf, but I don?t think I was reading for specifically political content when I read him.

--------------------------------
Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/

"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Easterbrook, Neil
Sent: 05 March 2012 17:37
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] dan simmons query

Dear Hive Mind--

So I'm writing something abt "libertarian" sf, and one of the things I'm reading is Dan Simmons' newest book, _Flashback_.

Portions of the text are given to Stapledon/AC Clarke-style cultural screeds that are unremittingly "conservative" in tone and substance. (Certainly more "conservative" than "libertarian," at least so far.) Very much like, say, John Ringo's tone and commentary, in such things as _The Last Centurion_.

While I'm always careful to distinguish authors and narrators, consistent patterns across books does indeed indicate something abt authors.

I'm racking my brain, however: while I've read a good portion of Simmons' work--especially the sf books--I can't recall any text that went off on screeds abt contemporary US politics.

Does anyone remember anything in Simmons that's overtly, aggressively, and unequivocally a didactic fiction (or portion thereof) on politics, left, right, or center?


Thanks for yr efforts,
--Neil
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From ryantatenichols at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 11:24:49 2012
From: ryantatenichols at gmail.com (Ryan Nichols)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:24:49 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] Story identification request
Message-ID: <CALUb53WAP-iYhE6QxFphCxj4iQ64PtuehZ4XyXnuJvYrAC=gqg@mail.gmail.com>

Buzz Buzz Hive Mind,

May I fill your inbox with the following request for story identification?
I read a story, novella or novelette about a team of human explorers
including geneticists, ecologists, etc., who were investigating the native
life on a new planet. (Spoiler to follow so stop reading now if you're that
sort of person.) Though they appeared to discover no intelligent life, as I
recall, when a geneticist coded the genome of a large herbivorous animal
data indicated that the animal had descended from a species with higher
intelligence who had, researchers inferred, bred intelligence out of
themselves. Haunting, wonder-full story that I'd love to reread again if I
could identify it. I read it in a Dozois anthology--which narrows it down
lots, doesn't it. ;)

Also, I hereby request more philosophical mayhem on this excellent list.

Thanks for your help,
Ryan
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From KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu  Tue Mar  6 12:28:11 2012
From: KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu (Knickerbocker, Dale)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:28:11 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] reviewers needed-Spanish language fantasy studies
Message-ID: <B00FEF0FA5AE8644971CC4D648AB949819EBF3@Mail3.intra.ecu.edu>

Dear Colleagues:



I am looking for someone to review the studies below for the JFA. Those interested, please reply off-list.


The first, published in Colombia:

Otros seres y otros mundos: Estudios en
literatura fant?stica es una recopilaci?n de una
variedad de textos aparecidos en Colombia y en el
exterior, acerca de autores, obras, subg?neros y
tendencias, siempre en el campo de la literatura
fant?stica.
por Campo Ricardo Burgos L?pez
Ed. Universidad Sergio Arboleda
The second, from Peru
ELTON HONORES (Ed.)

LO FANT?STICO EN HISPANOAM?RICA
Lima: Cuerpo de la Met?fora, 2011. 292 pp.

(see attached for a list of the essays included in the second)




Dale Knickerbocker
Professor of Hispanic Studies
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
knickerbockerd at ecu.edu<mailto:knickerbockerd at ecu.edu>
Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.


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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Tue Mar  6 12:37:24 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:37:24 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Ryan--

Brian Leiter is an intolerant jerk;
WVO Quine wore his pants as he did b/c you-know-why;
Popper believed in the open society but not the open classroom;
Hume couldn't hit the cue ball--that was his problem;
Dennett has an ugly beard;
Hobbes was nasty, British, and short;
Aquinas was so fat they had to take his dead body from the tower with a crane;
Nietzsche's syphilis was the result of reading Emerson;
Kripke never met a female student he didn't grope;
Descartes smelled of elderberries;
and....
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant.

Yr turn.

--Neil
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Tue Mar  6 13:29:29 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:29:29 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>

Huh?

--J.J.P.

On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Easterbrook, Neil wrote:

> Ryan--
>
> Brian Leiter is an intolerant jerk;
> WVO Quine wore his pants as he did b/c you-know-why;
> Popper believed in the open society but not the open classroom;
> Hume couldn't hit the cue ball--that was his problem;
> Dennett has an ugly beard;
> Hobbes was nasty, British, and short;
> Aquinas was so fat they had to take his dead body from the tower  
> with a crane;
> Nietzsche's syphilis was the result of reading Emerson;
> Kripke never met a female student he didn't grope;
> Descartes smelled of elderberries;
> and....
> Immanuel Kant was a real pissant.
>
> Yr turn.
>
> --Neil
> _______________________________________________
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> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Tue Mar  6 13:40:50 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:40:50 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>,
	<361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Ok, ok, since this is the second "huh?", both from usually sympathetic sources (one off, one on list), I was just trying to be silly and taking up Ryan's challenge that he wanted "more philosophical mayhem on this list."

So I thot I might make some silly mayhem.

Sorry.
--N

________________________________
From: John Pierce [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:29 PM
To: Easterbrook, Neil
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem

Huh?

--J.J.P.


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From jdavis at troy.edu  Tue Mar  6 13:55:45 2012
From: jdavis at troy.edu (James Davis)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:55:45 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>,
	<361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>
	<E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <005601ccfbca$bce48440$36ad8cc0$@troy.edu>

Neil, you seem to have too much time on your hands. How about going with me
this Sunday (Sunday! Sunday!) to see the latest WSFWE smackdown? I hear the
main event will be Spinoza vs. Hegel in a real battle of the wimps, just
after the tag-team match between the Nihilists and the Nietzcheans. The
Nihilists never put up much of a fight, but it might be fun.

 

From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
[mailto:sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Easterbrook,
Neil
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:41 PM
To: John Pierce
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem

 

Ok, ok, since this is the second "huh?", both from usually sympathetic
sources (one off, one on list), I was just trying to be silly and taking up
Ryan's challenge that he wanted "more philosophical mayhem on this list."

 

So I thot I might make some silly mayhem. 

 

Sorry.

--N

 

  _____  

From: John Pierce [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:29 PM
To: Easterbrook, Neil
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem

Huh? 

 

--J.J.P.

 

 

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From JRMadDog at aol.com  Tue Mar  6 14:06:52 2012
From: JRMadDog at aol.com (JRMadDog at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:06:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
Message-ID: <20d35.3bd42daf.3c87ba4c@aol.com>

On the other hand ...
 
If Emmanuel Kant, who can?
 
Regards,
James R Madden




In a message dated 3/6/2012 1:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jdavis at troy.edu writes:

 
Neil,  you seem to have too much time on your hands. How about going with 
me this  Sunday (Sunday! Sunday!) to see the latest WSFWE smackdown? I hear 
the main  event will be Spinoza vs. Hegel in a real battle of the wimps, just 
after the  tag-team match between the Nihilists and the Nietzcheans. The 
Nihilists never  put up much of a fight, but it might be fun. 
 
 
From:  sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu  
[mailto:sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of  Easterbrook, Neil
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:41  PM
To: John Pierce
Cc:  sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical  mayhem

 
 
Ok, ok, since this is  the second "huh?", both from usually sympathetic 
sources (one off, one on  list), I was just trying to be silly and taking up 
Ryan's challenge that he  wanted "more philosophical mayhem on this list."
 

 
So I thot I might  make some silly mayhem. 
 

 
Sorry.
 
--N
 

 
  
____________________________________
 
From:  John Pierce [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012  12:29 PM
To: Easterbrook, Neil
Cc:  sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical  mayhem
 
Huh?   
 

 
--J.J.P.
 
 







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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Tue Mar  6 13:58:57 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:58:57 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <005601ccfbca$bce48440$36ad8cc0$@troy.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>, 
	<361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>
	<E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>,
	<005601ccfbca$bce48440$36ad8cc0$@troy.edu>
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F71B@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Didn't grading exams ever make you people silly?

Besides--it's SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!

Three, not two; Hegelian, not Aristotelian.

Back to grading exams, where one student has informed me that "based on his personal opinion, Pullman thinks original sin the result of Mrs. Coulter's circumcision."

--N

________________________________
From: James Davis [jdavis at troy.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:55 PM
To: Easterbrook, Neil; 'John Pierce'
Cc: 'sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu'
Subject: RE: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem

Neil, you seem to have too much time on your hands. How about going with me this Sunday (Sunday! Sunday!) to see the latest WSFWE smackdown? I hear the main event will be Spinoza vs. Hegel in a real battle of the wimps, just after the tag-team match between the Nihilists and the Nietzcheans. The Nihilists never put up much of a fight, but it might be fun.


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From gregconley at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:33:01 2012
From: gregconley at gmail.com (Greg Conley)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:33:01 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+kjOHep9BUe+WHmK4E7X3N8yr-eUajaH=dqFs-z=8+RskpUxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, Bruce, I have heard that Immanuel Kant was a real pissant, who was
just as sloshed as Schlegel.

Greg (Bruce) Conley

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Easterbrook, Neil <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu>wrote:

>   Ryan--
>
> Brian Leiter is an intolerant jerk;
> WVO Quine wore his pants as he did b/c you-know-why;
> Popper believed in the open society but not the open classroom;
> Hume couldn't hit the cue ball--that was his problem;
> Dennett has an ugly beard;
> Hobbes was nasty, British, and short;
> Aquinas was so fat they had to take his dead body from the tower with a
> crane;
> Nietzsche's syphilis was the result of reading Emerson;
> Kripke never met a female student he didn't grope;
> Descartes smelled of elderberries;
> and....
> Immanuel Kant was a real pissant.
>
> Yr turn.
>
> --Neil
>
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
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From mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu  Tue Mar  6 13:47:38 2012
From: mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu (Kevin Mulcahy)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:47:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <13cf009b-0b35-417b-a2b3-41571ca5921f@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>

Neil, 

I spotted at least one line from the Monty Python Philosopher's Song--was the rest just you riffing? 

Kevin 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Neil Easterbrook" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu> 
To: "John Pierce" <pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com> 
Cc: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 1:40:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem 



Ok, ok, since this is the second "huh?", both from usually sympathetic sources (one off, one on list), I was just trying to be silly and taking up Ryan's challenge that he wanted "more philosophical mayhem on this list." 

So I thot I might make some silly mayhem. 

Sorry. 
--N 


From: John Pierce [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:29 PM 
To: Easterbrook, Neil 
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem 



Huh? 


--J.J.P. 



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From rob.latham at ucr.edu  Tue Mar  6 15:43:10 2012
From: rob.latham at ucr.edu (Rob Latham)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:43:10 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F711@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>,
	<361F287F-BE3E-4CC3-9325-0CEBE4341BFC@ewwpi.com>
	<E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F715@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <3C0413C6-4DB7-4F0F-9385-1EE6D50C0DDE@ucr.edu>

I liked the Monty Python allusion.



On Mar 6, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Easterbrook, Neil wrote:

> Ok, ok, since this is the second "huh?", both from usually  
> sympathetic sources (one off, one on list), I was just trying to be  
> silly and taking up Ryan's challenge that he wanted "more  
> philosophical mayhem on this list."
>
> So I thot I might make some silly mayhem.
>
> Sorry.
> --N
>
> From: John Pierce [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:29 PM
> To: Easterbrook, Neil
> Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
>
> Huh?
>
> --J.J.P.
>
>
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar  7 12:31:49 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:31:49 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof
Message-ID: <C9B29D9D-86CD-4C1B-AAA7-53E43071E1D0@ewwpi.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeRVB2XP19g

--J.J.P.
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar  7 12:33:55 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:33:55 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof
In-Reply-To: <C9B29D9D-86CD-4C1B-AAA7-53E43071E1D0@ewwpi.com>
References: <C9B29D9D-86CD-4C1B-AAA7-53E43071E1D0@ewwpi.com>
Message-ID: <E0F52002-028D-4339-AE78-38C9A1BD073E@ewwpi.com>

Sorry, wrong link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuIVn5cq5U

--J.J.P.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:31 PM, John Pierce wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeRVB2XP19g
>
> --J.J.P.

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From Fred.Lerner at Dartmouth.EDU  Wed Mar  7 12:50:13 2012
From: Fred.Lerner at Dartmouth.EDU (Fred Lerner)
Date: 07 Mar 2012 12:50:13 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof
Message-ID: <199095671@newdasher.Dartmouth.EDU>

This reminds me of that great Japanese classic, "Frankenstein Conquers the World",  
where my suspicions that the special effects depended largely on plastic models  
were reinforced by the "Lionel Lines" lettering on a railway bridge.

Fred Lernee

From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar  7 13:44:54 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:44:54 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Chabon and Burroughs
Message-ID: <F6335DE0-A8BC-45BD-978E-87D5EA2D62A5@ewwpi.com>

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/michael-chabon-geeks-guide- 
galaxy/

--J.J.P.

From ehiggins at georgefox.edu  Wed Mar  7 14:47:33 2012
From: ehiggins at georgefox.edu (Ed Higgins)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:47:33 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof
In-Reply-To: <199095671@newdasher.Dartmouth.EDU>
References: <199095671@newdasher.Dartmouth.EDU>
Message-ID: <7610234E-8E3B-45C5-A201-55B7F72630E0@georgefox.edu>

Ok, while we?re on Godzilla spoofing check this funny one out. It?s itself a spoof on a 70s short of ?Bambi Meets Godzilla?: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VujzyznQ4eE>


On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Fred Lerner wrote:

> This reminds me of that great Japanese classic, "Frankenstein Conquers the World", where my suspicions that the special effects depended largely on plastic models were reinforced by the "Lionel Lines" lettering on a railway bridge.
> 
> Fred Lernee
> _______________________________________________
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar  7 17:16:05 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:16:05 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Chabon and Burroughs
Message-ID: <W585121701146681331158565@webmail45>

 Just tried the link again and it still worked for me. Strange.

--J.J.P.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Samuelson [mailto:dnsmlsn at csulb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 03:21 PM
To: 'John Pierce'
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Chabon and Burroughs

"page not found"?On 3/7/2012 10:44 AM, John Pierce wrote:> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/michael-chabon-geeks-guide-galaxy/>> --J.J.P.> _______________________________________________> SFRA-L mailing list> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l>
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From ryantatenichols at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 19:59:54 2012
From: ryantatenichols at gmail.com (Ryan Nichols)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:59:54 -0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] philosophical mayhem
Message-ID: <CALUb53UwyB3KiBguud-_55hP5zjC_CxuXERUW0m_bcr9Vw5Fvg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Neil,

No 'huh?' from me. Loved every line. Now backatchya with a different form
of philosophical mayhem, one cross-bred with SF.

Assumption 1: substrate independence=it is physically possible that
conscious minds be implemented not only on carbon-based neurons but on
other materials, for example, silicon-based processors.

Assumption 2: it is physically possible that a sufficiently sophisticated
computer with as much or more processing power as the average human brain
(about 100 million MIPS, acc to Hans Moravec) can be built and programmed
to implement a human mind along with a virtual reality.
http://tinyurl.com/39sgth

Thus, following Nick Bostrom (http://tinyurl.com/c9d5h), who 'perfected'
this argument, we should accept as true at least one of these three
statements:

1 The probability that a species at our level of technological development
can avoid going extinct prior to becoming 'technologically mature' (i.e.
obtaining computer processors reaching 100m MIPS) is negligible.

2 Almost no such civilization has a population interested in running
simulations of minds like ours.

3 You are almost certainly a simulation.

Denial of 1: we're not going to go extinct before reaching this point if
current estimates of processing power and its exponential increase a la
Moore's law are even in the ballpark. http://tinyurl.com/3d7qf3m

Denial of 2: This flies in the face of evidence drawn from across all human
cultures: we are simulators.

So, gulp, 3.

Sweet dreams hivesters,
Ryan
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From dharlanwilson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 11:51:41 2012
From: dharlanwilson at yahoo.com (D. Harlan Wilson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:51:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Extrapolation Call for Reviewers
Message-ID: <1331139101.17241.YahooMailNeo@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi folks. Here is a list of books currently available for review in Extrapolation. Click the titles for more information. Let me know if you are interested and I will try my best to accommodate you. Thanks! D.

William J.
Devlin & Shai Biderman, eds. The
Philosophy of David Lynch.
?
Matthew
Solomon, ed. Fantastic Voyages of the
Cinematic Imagination: Georges Melies?s Trip to the Moon.
?
Sandor
Klapcsik.Liminality in Fantastic Fiction:
A Poststructuralist Approach.
?
Sara Wasson
& Emily Alder, eds. Gothic Science
Fiction (1980-2010).
?
Michael
Saler. As If: Modern Enchantment &
the Literary Prehistory of Virtual Reality.
?
David
Sandner. Critical Discourses of the
Fantastic (1712-1831).
?
Frenchy
Lunning, ed. Mechademia: User Enhanced
(Vol. 6).
?
Jeffery
Nicholas, ed. Dune & Philosophy:
Weirding Way of the Mentat.
?
Courtland
Lewis & aula Smithka, eds. Doctor Who
& Philosophy: Bigger on the Inside.
?
Thorsten
Botz-Bornstein, ed. Inception &
Philosophy: Ideas to Die for.
?
Dean
Kowalski & S. Evan Kreider, eds. The
Philosophy of Joss Whedon.
?
Yours,
D. Harlan Wilson, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Wright State University-Lake Campus
www.dharlanwilson.com

dharlanwilson.blogspot.com
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From zjannessaril at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 23:41:11 2012
From: zjannessaril at gmail.com (Zahra Jannessari)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:11:11 +0330
Subject: [SFRA-L] Extrapolation Call for Reviewers
In-Reply-To: <1331139101.17241.YahooMailNeo@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1331139101.17241.YahooMailNeo@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALZLJ1=EB3x1t3A0F0uP1iP8gQ5=eL1dr0MEDMJg=4OwZmbc3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dr. Wilson,

I saw your call for reviews for *Extrapolation*. I checked the books listed
in your email. I think I would like to work on Michael Saler's *As If:
Modern Enchantment &the Literary Prehistory of Virtual Reality*. Thanks for
the announcement.

Best,

Zahra Jannessari-Ladani




On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:21 PM, D. Harlan Wilson <dharlanwilson at yahoo.com>wrote:

>  Hi folks. Here is a list of books currently available for review in *
> Extrapolation*. Click the titles for more information. Let me know if you
> are interested and I will try my best to accommodate you. Thanks! D.
>
> William J. Devlin & Shai Biderman, eds. *The Philosophy of David Lynch<http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-David-Lynch-Popular-Culture/dp/0813129915/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138673&sr=1-1>
> *.****
> ** **
> Matthew Solomon, ed. *Fantastic Voyages of the Cinematic Imagination:
> Georges Melies?s Trip to the Moon<http://www.amazon.com/Fantastic-Voyages-Cinematic-Imagination-Horizons/dp/1438435800/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138706&sr=1-1>
> *.****
> ** **
> Sandor Klapcsik.
> <http://www.amazon.com/Liminality-Fantastic-Fiction-Poststructuralist-Approach/dp/0786464739/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138730&sr=1-1>
> *Liminality in Fantastic Fiction: A Poststructuralist Approach<http://www.amazon.com/Liminality-Fantastic-Fiction-Poststructuralist-Approach/dp/0786464739/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138730&sr=1-1>
> .*
> ** **
> Sara Wasson & Emily Alder, eds. *Gothic Science Fiction (1980-2010)<http://www.amazon.com/Gothic-Science-Fiction-1980-2010-University/dp/184631707X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138753&sr=1-1>
> .*
> * *
> Michael Saler. *As If: Modern Enchantment & the Literary Prehistory of
> Virtual Reality<http://www.amazon.com/As-If-Enchantment-Literary-PreHistory/dp/0195343174/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138781&sr=1-1>
> .*
> * *
> David Sandner. *Critical Discourses of the Fantastic (1712-1831)<http://www.amazon.com/Critical-Discourses-Fantastic-1712-1831-Sandner/dp/1409428621/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138807&sr=1-1>
> .*
> ** **
> Frenchy Lunning, ed. *Mechademia: User Enhanced (Vol. 6)<http://www.amazon.com/Mechademia-6-Enhanced-Frenchy-Lunning/dp/0816677344/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138862&sr=1-1>
> .*
> * *
> Jeffery Nicholas, ed. *Dune & Philosophy: Weirding Way of the Mentat<http://www.amazon.com/Dune-Philosophy-Weirding-Popular-Culture/dp/0812697154/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138885&sr=1-1>
> *.****
> ** **
> Courtland Lewis & aula Smithka, eds. *Doctor Who & Philosophy: Bigger on
> the Inside<http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Philosophy-Popular-Culture/dp/0812696883/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138905&sr=1-1>
> .*
> * *
> Thorsten Botz-Bornstein, ed. *Inception & Philosophy: Ideas to Die for<http://www.amazon.com/Inception-Philosophy-Ideas-Popular-Culture/dp/0812697332/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138925&sr=1-2>
> .*
> ** **
> Dean Kowalski & S. Evan Kreider, eds. *The Philosophy of Joss Whedon<http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Joss-Whedon-Popular-Culture/dp/0813134196/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331138634&sr=8-1>
> .*
>
> Yours,
> D. Harlan Wilson, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of English
> Wright State University-Lake Campus
> www.dharlanwilson.com
> dharlanwilson.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
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From cleslie at poly.edu  Wed Mar  7 22:25:16 2012
From: cleslie at poly.edu (Christopher S. Leslie)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:25:16 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] sf-lovers
Message-ID: <807E7A27-0EFA-49C5-B3BC-AEB320AC2FAA@poly.edu>

Dear Colleagues:

I am more and more intrigued by the connection between science fiction  
and the early days of the ARPAnet. As you may know, one of the first  
group distribution lists that was not directly related to defense  
research was the mailing list SF-lovers, which apparently was created  
in late 1979 at MIT. When Usenet became available, a connection was  
established, and the travails of the list are fairly well documented  
by Saul Jaffe and others.

Before the Usenet list, however, there is not so much information.  
I've been in contact with some ARPAnet researchers about this, but I  
am hoping that someone on the list might also remember the days of the  
sf-lovers list before Usenet. I've also heard that there were mailing  
groups on local computers and BBSs (bulletin board systems) before  
widely available groups, which if they were discussing science  
fiction, I would love to learn about.

If anyone has information to share, or can direct me to someone who  
does, I would greatly appreciate it.

Chris Leslie

Christopher S. Leslie, Ph.D.
Instructor of Media and Technology Studies
Department of Technology, Culture and Society
Polytechnic Institute of New York University
6 MetroTech Center, RH 213h
Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 260-3130

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From becca_testerman at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 08:37:28 2012
From: becca_testerman at yahoo.com (Rebecca Testerman)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SFRA-L] sf-lovers
In-Reply-To: <807E7A27-0EFA-49C5-B3BC-AEB320AC2FAA@poly.edu>
References: <807E7A27-0EFA-49C5-B3BC-AEB320AC2FAA@poly.edu>
Message-ID: <1331213848.91256.YahooMailNeo@web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Cchris,

I don't know if this will help much, but when I was first in college in the late 70s, I was part of a science fiction club, and one of our members (a computer science major that worked in the computer lab - in those days it was just one small mainframe) set up a BBS for the club. He set this up in either the fall of 77 or winter of 78, if I remember correctly. Let me know off list if this would be helpful to you, and I will put you in touch with him.

Becky Testerman



________________________________
 From: Christopher S. Leslie <cleslie at poly.edu>
To: sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 10:25 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] sf-lovers
 

Dear Colleagues:?

I am more and more intrigued by the connection between science fiction and the early days of the ARPAnet. As you may know, one of the first group distribution lists that was not directly related to defense research was the mailing list SF-lovers, which apparently was created in late 1979 at MIT. When Usenet became available, a connection was established, and the travails of the list are fairly well documented by Saul Jaffe and others.

Before the Usenet list, however, there is not so much information. I've been in contact with some ARPAnet researchers about this, but I am hoping that someone on the list might also remember the days of the sf-lovers list before Usenet. I've also heard that there were mailing groups on local computers and BBSs (bulletin board systems) before widely available groups, which if they were discussing science fiction, I would love to learn about.

If anyone has information to share, or can direct me to someone who does, I would greatly appreciate it.

Chris Leslie


Christopher S. Leslie, Ph.D.
Instructor of Media and Technology Studies
Department of Technology, Culture and Society
Polytechnic Institute of New York University
6 MetroTech Center, RH 213h
Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 260-3130 

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From g.r.morgan at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 14:21:14 2012
From: g.r.morgan at hotmail.com (Glyn Morgan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:21:14 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Last Call for Papers: Current Research in Speculative
 Fiction [CRSF] 2012 PG Conference
In-Reply-To: <BAY147-W865594DFB1724A474EDC2C27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818BF1DBC@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>,
	<BAY147-W865594DFB1724A474EDC2C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY147-W6DE9B8B77C0D2A45B6820C2570@phx.gbl>


Dear all,

A final reminder that the deadline for abstracts for CRSF 2012 at the University of Liverpool is 23rd of March.
 
Last
 year we hosted a great inaugural conference with papers in science 
fiction, fantasy and horror by post graduates from multiple disciplines.
 
This year we are hoping to continue that success, even to build upon it.
 
Keynote papers will be delivered by Prof. David Seed (Liverpool) and Prof. Fred Botting (Kingston)
 
300 word abstracts, for 30 minute papers, to: crst.team at gmail.com please also include a short bio (approx. 100 words)
 
Full call for papers and other information: http://currentresearchinspeculativefiction.blogspot.com/p/crsf-2012.html

If you have any queries please do not hesitate to get in touch,

Many thanks,


Glyn Morgan
Postgraduate Research Student
School of English,
The University of Liverpool.

www.glyn-morgan.blogspot.com [Academic Blog]
www.currentresearchinspeculativefiction [CRSF Conference Series]
www.twistedtalesevents.blogspot.com [Horror Events and Promotion]


 		 	   		  
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From ddavis at gdn.edu  Thu Mar  8 15:31:44 2012
From: ddavis at gdn.edu (Davis, Doug)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:31:44 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof
In-Reply-To: <E0F52002-028D-4339-AE78-38C9A1BD073E@ewwpi.com>
References: <C9B29D9D-86CD-4C1B-AAA7-53E43071E1D0@ewwpi.com>
	<E0F52002-028D-4339-AE78-38C9A1BD073E@ewwpi.com>
Message-ID: <B23084F323CB5D49A259E6EBBC3BE0AF01FDF7172852@pegasus.gdn.peachnet.edu>

Man, 1986... That was one crazy summer alright. (kind of funny movie too)

Doug Davis, Ph.D.
Editor, SFRA Review
Associate Professor of English
Division of Humanities
Gordon College
419 College Drive
Barnesville, GA 30204
ddavis at gdn.edu
(678) 359 5817 (office)
(678) 359 5140 (fax)

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:34 PM
To: John Pierce
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu List
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Godzilla spoof

Sorry, wrong link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuIVn5cq5U

--J.J.P.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:31 PM, John Pierce wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeRVB2XP19g

--J.J.P.

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From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Sat Mar 10 07:46:52 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:46:52 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] peter bergman, rip
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F737@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/10/arts/peter-bergman-satirist-at-firesign-theater-dies-at-72.html?_r=1&ref=obituaries

Peter Bergman, of the group Firesign Theatre, has died. Some of Firesign's work, such as _I Think We're all Bozos on this Bus_ can be described as sf. I'm positing this largely because I recently had a chat with a prominent sf scholar, a younger one, who'd never heard of _Bozos_, let alone Firesign.

--Neil
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Sat Mar 10 16:10:47 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:10:47 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin
Message-ID: <W137711389255621331413847@webmail24>

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/update-on-suzette-haden-elgin-from-her.html

This is really devastating

--J.J.P.


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From dynamicsubspace at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 16:36:36 2012
From: dynamicsubspace at gmail.com (Jason Ellis)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:36:36 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific
 Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
Message-ID: <CACGQHx_Juaa54UKQCJXF80JhC4ikqY4jOzrLBZJuKg+cRM6B6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

At SFRA 2011 in Poland, I participated in a well-attended session on
brain-related topics in science fiction. I presented my paper on a
cognitive approach to science fiction, in which I argue that science
fiction arises as an evolutionary byproduct that acclimates us for a
rapidly changing present and prepares us for an uncertain future.

This year, I propose another session or sessions for the 2012 SFRA
conference in Detroit with an emphasis on brain and mind topics in
science fiction with the tentative title, ?The Neuroscientific Turn in
Science Fiction.?

Topics may include, but are not limited to: brain hardware vs. mind
software, narratives that focus on the physicality of the brain,
ontological and epistempological problems arising from brain surgery
or physical injury, the spectrum of human experience as a result of
different brain development and impairment, human brains and
experience vs. other brains and experience, hard neuroscience in
science fiction, what is the history of brain-related stories in SF?,
etc. Papers on any SF medium that address this topic are welcome. I
intend to talk about the relationship of Philip K. Dick?s health
problems and his development of brain disorders and damage in his
fiction.

If other SFRAers are interested in presenting a paper on a
brain-related topic, please send me your paper abstract and contact
information, and I will forward these to Steve Berman in the session
proposal. The deadline for submitting an abstract for this session
proposal is April 6.
	
Best, Jason

-- 
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/

From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Sun Mar 11 17:32:28 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:32:28 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Android rights
Message-ID: <W14581501647631331501548@webmail42>

Somebody at another list posted this. It's supposed to be just a test for a new Playstation program but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-pF56-ZYkY

--J.J.P.


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From dedalus.jmmr at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 18:10:28 2012
From: dedalus.jmmr at gmail.com (Jorge Martins Rosa)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:10:28 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Android rights
In-Reply-To: <W14581501647631331501548@webmail42>
References: <W14581501647631331501548@webmail42>
Message-ID: <CAHKGJzLOZxVoNLgMzHocqK1rhAF3q14zJViHoCAyEqPDb=PAbQ@mail.gmail.com>

That reminds I'm way behind in my review of this for Extrapolation:
http://www.amazon.com/Legal-Theory-Autonomous-Artificial-Agents/dp/0472051458/

Jorge Martins Rosa



On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:32 PM,  <pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com> wrote:
> Somebody at another list posted this. It's supposed to be just a test for a
> new Playstation program but...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-pF56-ZYkY
>
> --J.J.P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>

From vallen at iastate.edu  Sun Mar 11 18:24:14 2012
From: vallen at iastate.edu (Allen, Virginia [ENGL])
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:24:14 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin
In-Reply-To: <W137711389255621331413847@webmail24>
References: <W137711389255621331413847@webmail24>
Message-ID: <820E510FBA39CC4696E3ACDB529C97A7162938@ITSDAG2D.its.iastate.edu>

Thanks for this update.  As as another lost hiker and fellow member of the cranky women's society, she has always given me a little more courage to walk against the wind.

Virginia Allen
________________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:10 PM
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/update-on-suzette-haden-elgin-from-her.html

This is really devastating

--J.J.P.

From vallen at iastate.edu  Sun Mar 11 18:36:37 2012
From: vallen at iastate.edu (Allen, Virginia [ENGL])
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:36:37 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The
 Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
In-Reply-To: <CACGQHx_Juaa54UKQCJXF80JhC4ikqY4jOzrLBZJuKg+cRM6B6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACGQHx_Juaa54UKQCJXF80JhC4ikqY4jOzrLBZJuKg+cRM6B6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <820E510FBA39CC4696E3ACDB529C97A7162952@ITSDAG2D.its.iastate.edu>

What does it mean to say that SF is an evolutionary byproduct?  Is all fiction an evolutionary byproduct?  For example, do Harlequin romances arise as a means of sublimating sexual frustration?  Are fairy tales an evolutionary byproduct to prepare children for the  scary business in life?

Are papers from the SFRA 2011 available?

V.Allen
________________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of Jason Ellis [dynamicsubspace at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:36 PM
To: SFRA List
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6

Hi all!

At SFRA 2011 in Poland, I participated in a well-attended session on
brain-related topics in science fiction. I presented my paper on a
cognitive approach to science fiction, in which I argue that science
fiction arises as an evolutionary byproduct that acclimates us for a
rapidly changing present and prepares us for an uncertain future.

This year, I propose another session or sessions for the 2012 SFRA
conference in Detroit with an emphasis on brain and mind topics in
science fiction with the tentative title, ?The Neuroscientific Turn in
Science Fiction.?

Topics may include, but are not limited to: brain hardware vs. mind
software, narratives that focus on the physicality of the brain,
ontological and epistempological problems arising from brain surgery
or physical injury, the spectrum of human experience as a result of
different brain development and impairment, human brains and
experience vs. other brains and experience, hard neuroscience in
science fiction, what is the history of brain-related stories in SF?,
etc. Papers on any SF medium that address this topic are welcome. I
intend to talk about the relationship of Philip K. Dick?s health
problems and his development of brain disorders and damage in his
fiction.

If other SFRAers are interested in presenting a paper on a
brain-related topic, please send me your paper abstract and contact
information, and I will forward these to Steve Berman in the session
proposal. The deadline for submitting an abstract for this session
proposal is April 6.

Best, Jason

--
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
_______________________________________________
SFRA-L mailing list
SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l

From dynamicsubspace at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 19:58:25 2012
From: dynamicsubspace at gmail.com (Jason Ellis)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:58:25 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The
 Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
In-Reply-To: <820E510FBA39CC4696E3ACDB529C97A7162952@ITSDAG2D.its.iastate.edu>
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	<820E510FBA39CC4696E3ACDB529C97A7162952@ITSDAG2D.its.iastate.edu>
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Hi Virginia,

I'm afraid that I don't have the time to elaborate too much on my
paper here (I have to finish my dissertation), and I don't want to
post my paper online or otherwise circulate it right now. The program
for the 2011 conference is online here: http://sfra2011.pl/?page_id=34

This is a very brief sketch of my paper: I argue that the human
brain's adaptation for language and narrative (Steven Pinker, Denis
Dutton, and Lisa Zunshine) combined with our co-evolution with
technology (Bruce Mazlish) led to science fiction (I employ Darko
Suvin's definition as a glue for the whole interdisciplinary
framework) as an evolutionary byproduct--a way to prepare us for an
uncertain future more quickly than any kind of evolutionary adaptation
could take place. As you can see, my approach is very specific, and it
would not apply to the other examples that you give. However, someone
else could approach those narrative genres from another trajectory
that potentially gave rise to them.

I hope to see you in Detroit--we can talk about this more there. I
should be done with my dissertation by then, too.

Best, Jason

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Allen, Virginia [ENGL]
<vallen at iastate.edu> wrote:
> What does it mean to say that SF is an evolutionary byproduct? ?Is all fiction an evolutionary byproduct? ?For example, do Harlequin romances arise as a means of sublimating sexual frustration? ?Are fairy tales an evolutionary byproduct to prepare children for the ?scary business in life?
>
> Are papers from the SFRA 2011 available?
>
> V.Allen
> ________________________________________
> From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of Jason Ellis [dynamicsubspace at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:36 PM
> To: SFRA List
> Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
>
> Hi all!
>
> At SFRA 2011 in Poland, I participated in a well-attended session on
> brain-related topics in science fiction. I presented my paper on a
> cognitive approach to science fiction, in which I argue that science
> fiction arises as an evolutionary byproduct that acclimates us for a
> rapidly changing present and prepares us for an uncertain future.
>
> This year, I propose another session or sessions for the 2012 SFRA
> conference in Detroit with an emphasis on brain and mind topics in
> science fiction with the tentative title, ?The Neuroscientific Turn in
> Science Fiction.?
>
> Topics may include, but are not limited to: brain hardware vs. mind
> software, narratives that focus on the physicality of the brain,
> ontological and epistempological problems arising from brain surgery
> or physical injury, the spectrum of human experience as a result of
> different brain development and impairment, human brains and
> experience vs. other brains and experience, hard neuroscience in
> science fiction, what is the history of brain-related stories in SF?,
> etc. Papers on any SF medium that address this topic are welcome. I
> intend to talk about the relationship of Philip K. Dick?s health
> problems and his development of brain disorders and damage in his
> fiction.
>
> If other SFRAers are interested in presenting a paper on a
> brain-related topic, please send me your paper abstract and contact
> information, and I will forward these to Steve Berman in the session
> proposal. The deadline for submitting an abstract for this session
> proposal is April 6.
>
> Best, Jason
>
> --
> Jason W. Ellis
>
> PhD Candidate, Kent State University
>
> Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association
>
> Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l



-- 
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/

From ehull at harpercollege.edu  Sun Mar 11 23:50:50 2012
From: ehull at harpercollege.edu (Elizabeth Hull)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:50:50 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The
	Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
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	<820E510FBA39CC4696E3ACDB529C97A7162952@ITSDAG2D.its.iastate.edu>
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I doubt that I'll be at SFRA this year, but I too would like to read the papers from this session.  Brains (and minds) are fascinating subjects, but a lot of what is written on brains and minds by non-scientists seems to be mumbo jumbo based on theories pulled out of thin air or at best extrapolated far beyond what is supportable through actual research.  Betty Hull

________________________________

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Allen, Virginia [ENGL]
Sent: Sun 3/11/2012 5:36 PM
To: Jason Ellis; SFRA List
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6



What does it mean to say that SF is an evolutionary byproduct?  Is all fiction an evolutionary byproduct?  For example, do Harlequin romances arise as a means of sublimating sexual frustration?  Are fairy tales an evolutionary byproduct to prepare children for the  scary business in life?

Are papers from the SFRA 2011 available?

V.Allen
________________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of Jason Ellis [dynamicsubspace at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:36 PM
To: SFRA List
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6

Hi all!

At SFRA 2011 in Poland, I participated in a well-attended session on
brain-related topics in science fiction. I presented my paper on a
cognitive approach to science fiction, in which I argue that science
fiction arises as an evolutionary byproduct that acclimates us for a
rapidly changing present and prepares us for an uncertain future.

This year, I propose another session or sessions for the 2012 SFRA
conference in Detroit with an emphasis on brain and mind topics in
science fiction with the tentative title, "The Neuroscientific Turn in
Science Fiction."

Topics may include, but are not limited to: brain hardware vs. mind
software, narratives that focus on the physicality of the brain,
ontological and epistempological problems arising from brain surgery
or physical injury, the spectrum of human experience as a result of
different brain development and impairment, human brains and
experience vs. other brains and experience, hard neuroscience in
science fiction, what is the history of brain-related stories in SF?,
etc. Papers on any SF medium that address this topic are welcome. I
intend to talk about the relationship of Philip K. Dick's health
problems and his development of brain disorders and damage in his
fiction.

If other SFRAers are interested in presenting a paper on a
brain-related topic, please send me your paper abstract and contact
information, and I will forward these to Steve Berman in the session
proposal. The deadline for submitting an abstract for this session
proposal is April 6.

Best, Jason

--
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
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From rockwood at bloomu.edu  Mon Mar 12 10:27:08 2012
From: rockwood at bloomu.edu (Rockwood, Bruce L)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:27:08 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin
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I remember  (to the best of my own recollection these days) when I was first teaching at Bloomsburg a colleague of mine (Mary Badami) taught an honors class in which she had her class talk on-line in some fashion (I am not sure how they did it back in the late 1980s....) with Suzette Haden Elgin, and that they really appreciated her generosity and willingness to help with this enterprise.  I know her many readers and friends will be thinking of her at this time and we will hold her in the light at Meeting.

Bruce and Sue Rockwood

________________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of Allen, Virginia [ENGL] [vallen at iastate.edu]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:24 PM
To: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin

Thanks for this update.  As as another lost hiker and fellow member of the cranky women's society, she has always given me a little more courage to walk against the wind.

Virginia Allen
________________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com [pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:10 PM
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] Sad News about Suzette Haden Elgin

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/update-on-suzette-haden-elgin-from-her.html

This is really devastating

--J.J.P.
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From dynamicsubspace at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 10:48:06 2012
From: dynamicsubspace at gmail.com (Jason Ellis)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:48:06 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The
 Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
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Hi Betty,

It's too bad that you might not be at SFRA this year. Once the panel
shapes up, I will see if the other participants would like to post our
papers somewhere online, such as on my blog linked below in my
signature. If so, I will send an announcement out via the listserv.

As far as my own work is concerned, I do not purport to be a
scientist, but I do know enough science to be dangerous. Also, I
believe that the humanities and sciences occupy different domains of
knowledge, but there are places where those domains overlap (e.g.,
explorations of the human experience and what makes that experience
possible). It is in this space where I am currently doing my work. Am
I trying to develop scientifically testable hypotheses? No. Am I
commenting on the literature through the findings of the neurosciences
and theories of evolutionary psychology and vice versa? Yes.

Best, Jason

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Elizabeth Hull
<ehull at harpercollege.edu> wrote:
> I doubt that I'll be at SFRA this year, but I too would like to read the
> papers from this session.? Brains (and minds) are fascinating subjects, but
> a lot of what is written on brains and minds by non-scientists seems to be
> mumbo jumbo based on theories pulled out of thin air or at best extrapolated
> far beyond what is supportable through actual research.? Betty Hull
>
> ________________________________
> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Allen, Virginia [ENGL]
> Sent: Sun 3/11/2012 5:36 PM
> To: Jason Ellis; SFRA List
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The
> Neuroscientific Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
>
> What does it mean to say that SF is an evolutionary byproduct?? Is all
> fiction an evolutionary byproduct?? For example, do Harlequin romances arise
> as a means of sublimating sexual frustration?? Are fairy tales an
> evolutionary byproduct to prepare children for the? scary business in life?
>
> Are papers from the SFRA 2011 available?
>
> V.Allen
> ________________________________________
> From: sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
> [sfra-l-bounces at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu] on behalf of Jason Ellis
> [dynamicsubspace at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:36 PM
> To: SFRA List
> Subject: [SFRA-L] SFRA 2012: Session Call for Papers: The Neuroscientific
> Turn in Science Fiction, Deadline April 6
>
> Hi all!
>
> At SFRA 2011 in Poland, I participated in a well-attended session on
> brain-related topics in science fiction. I presented my paper on a
> cognitive approach to science fiction, in which I argue that science
> fiction arises as an evolutionary byproduct that acclimates us for a
> rapidly changing present and prepares us for an uncertain future.
>
> This year, I propose another session or sessions for the 2012 SFRA
> conference in Detroit with an emphasis on brain and mind topics in
> science fiction with the tentative title, ?The Neuroscientific Turn in
> Science Fiction.?
>
> Topics may include, but are not limited to: brain hardware vs. mind
> software, narratives that focus on the physicality of the brain,
> ontological and epistempological problems arising from brain surgery
> or physical injury, the spectrum of human experience as a result of
> different brain development and impairment, human brains and
> experience vs. other brains and experience, hard neuroscience in
> science fiction, what is the history of brain-related stories in SF?,
> etc. Papers on any SF medium that address this topic are welcome. I
> intend to talk about the relationship of Philip K. Dick?s health
> problems and his development of brain disorders and damage in his
> fiction.
>
> If other SFRAers are interested in presenting a paper on a
> brain-related topic, please send me your paper abstract and contact
> information, and I will forward these to Steve Berman in the session
> proposal. The deadline for submitting an abstract for this session
> proposal is April 6.
>
> Best, Jason
>
> --
> Jason W. Ellis
>
> PhD Candidate, Kent State University
>
> Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association
>
> Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l



-- 
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/

From bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Mar 12 11:10:01 2012
From: bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Nichols)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:10:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Robotic probes to the planets
Message-ID: <1331565001.17386.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Much of the pre-Apollo SF dealing with space exploration dealt with the challenge of exploration by people in spacesuits and rocketships. But did anyone write about robotic probes in anything like a realistic way - for example, anticipating the Mariner/Viking style of orbiter/lander, or anticipating anything like the Spirit or Opportunity rovers on Mars?

I'm not talking about recent stories involving robotic probes, only anything that pre-dates the Mariner and Apollo programmes. Does anything spring to mind?

- Phil

Phil Nichols

University of Wolverhampton/
University of Liverpool
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From dnsmlsn at csulb.edu  Tue Mar 13 14:33:04 2012
From: dnsmlsn at csulb.edu (Dave Samuelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:33:04 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] creating the world of westeros
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Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, /John Carte/_r_?  My family 
and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure 
unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz 
have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find 
it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I 
think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from 
ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual 
treat, if you don't take it seriously.

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From dnsmlsn at csulb.edu  Tue Mar 13 14:39:00 2012
From: dnsmlsn at csulb.edu (Dave Samuelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:39:00 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.


Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, /John Carte/_r_?  My family 
and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure 
unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz 
have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find 
it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I 
think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from 
ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual 
treat, if you don't take it seriously.

Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe 
critic of sf writing and cinema).



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From carmien at mac.com  Tue Mar 13 14:53:02 2012
From: carmien at mac.com (Edward Carmien)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:53:02 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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I saw it. Was surprised the theater was nearly empty on Saturday night.

Spoilers...

I thought the "lets make the Therns into cosmic villains" element was hardly necessary, but otherwise, as eye candy, darn good. And patient with character development in some areas--John Carter gets a good history. 

ejc
Ed Carmien
carmien at mac.com



On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson wrote:

> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
> 
> 
> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.
> 
> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe critic of sf writing and cinema).
> 
> 
> 
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From west at engr.wisc.edu  Tue Mar 13 17:10:16 2012
From: west at engr.wisc.edu (Richard West)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:10:16 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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The London Daily Telegraph interviewed Michael Chabon about working on 
the screenplay for the new _John Carter_ movie. You should be able  to 
access the article from this URL:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9119850/John-Carter-Michael-Chabon-interview-Goodbye-cool-world.html

I saw _John Carter_  last Saturday (March 10). The theater was not full 
but there was a sizable audience. It had not gotten very good reviews 
and I went in with low expectations, but I thought it was a huge lot of fun.

The reviewer in last week's _Entertainment Weekly_ (who panned it) did 
make what I think is a good point, that the original 1912 story on which 
the film is based started a brand of space opera so widely copied and 
now so familiar that the audience may think this movie is derivative of 
Flash Gordon, Star Wars, etc. when it's the other way round. But many of 
the sour reviews I've seen remind me of the reaction to the first Star 
Wars movie, which was widely seen at the time as silly and derivative of 
kiddie matinee adventure flicks. I think I'm like most people in that I 
enjoy a well-made adventure flick!

I had read most of the novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs before I was out 
of my teens and I'm now well into my sixties, so I've been waiting some 
50 years to see the Tharks and the thoats and banths and calots depicted 
on the big screen with the love and care that Chabon and Andrew Stanton 
and the other filmmakers have done.  I found this to be a  beautifully 
realized, exciting movie. I saw it in 2D, but I expect those who prefer 
3D (I don't) will find it looks fine that way. The Utah scenery (playing 
the Martian desert) is spectacular and the special effects are as good 
as one would expect from Pixar. I thought that John Carter and Dejah 
Thoris and Tars Tarkas looked and acted pretty much like these 
characters should, and that the actors who performed them did a good job.

Possible spoilers: The movie follows the plot of _A Princess of Mars_ 
loosely rather than very closely, reworking ERB's characters and 
situations (sometimes from later novels in the Barsoom series). There is 
a different mechanism for getting Carter from one planet to another 
(more teleportation than astral projection; a bit I found neat is when 
the movie Carter compares it to the telegraph, which is the closest 
parallel in the technology with which he would have been familiar). The 
film makes rather more than ERB ever did of Carter's having been a 
Confederate veteran (so, BTW, do Peter Beagle and Garth Nix in their 
contributions to the recent anthology of _hommage_ stories, _Under the 
Moons of Mars_), but I didn't much care for that section, which doesn't 
seem to me to have much to do with the rest of the story. Carter at that 
point in the movie is a loose cannon who is badly in need of counseling 
for anger management. (This may have been introduced to give him a 
character arc. That a Virginian later chooses to reside in New York may 
be the scriptwriters' indication that he has gotten over the Civil War.)

Not a deep movie (hey, it's John Carter, not Citizen Kane), but I 
thought it a good adventure film and I enjoyed it a lot.

Richard West


On 3/13/2012 1:53 PM, Edward Carmien wrote:
> I saw it. Was surprised the theater was nearly empty on Saturday night.
>
> Spoilers...
>
> I thought the "lets make the Therns into cosmic villains" element was 
> hardly necessary, but otherwise, as eye candy, darn good. And patient 
> with character development in some areas--John Carter gets a good 
> history.
>
> ejc
> Ed Carmien
> carmien at mac.com <mailto:carmien at mac.com>
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson wrote:
>
>> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
>>
>>
>> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, /John Carte/_r_?  My 
>> family and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure 
>> unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz 
>> have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may 
>> find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, 
>> but I think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and 
>> characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, 
>> but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.
>>
>> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly 
>> severe critic of sf writing and cinema).
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From young.mt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 04:16:38 2012
From: young.mt at gmail.com (Mark Young)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:16:38 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] CFP:  PAMLA 2012 / SF Division
Message-ID: <4F6053E6.102@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

the Science Fiction Division of the Pacific Ancient and Modern Language 
Association invites paper proposals for the 110^th annual PAMLA conference,
held this year at Seattle University, in Seattle, Washington from 
October 19^th -- 21^st , 2012.

All abstracts proposing original science fiction scholarship will 
receive full consideration.

To propose a paper, please follow this link and use the Online Proposal 
Submission Form, which will help guide your paper title, abstract, and 
proposal
(of no more than 500 words) to the Science Fiction Division by the 
*April 22^nd * deadline:

http://www.pamla.org/2012/proposals

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A few official stipulations:

  * Members may only deliver one paper at the conference. You may submit
    more than one proposal, but as soon as you accept an invitation, you
    must inform the organizers of the other sessions that you are no
    longer eligible to present in their sessions.
  * Papers may not be read in absentia.
  * Participation in the conference requires payment of PAMLA 2012
    membership dues by June 1^st , 2012 and the separate conference
    registration fee by September 15^th , 2012.

-----------

About the conference venue:

Seattle University, founded in 1891, is a Jesuit Catholic university 
located on 50 acres in Seattle's Capitol Hill neighborhood. More than 
7,900 students are enrolled in undergraduate and graduate programs 
within eight schools and colleges. U.S. News and World Report's "Best 
Colleges 2011" ranks Seattle University among the top ten universities 
in the West that offer a full range of masters and undergraduate programs.

Learn more at Seattle University's website <http://www.seattleu.edu/about/>.

-----------

Last year's SF sessions were terrific, and I look forward to another 
great conference this time around!

Cheers,

Mark

-- 

Mark Young

Presiding Officer, Science Fiction Division

Pacific Ancient and Modern Language Association

Department of English

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From S.Wilcock at leedsmet.ac.uk  Wed Mar 14 06:39:27 2012
From: S.Wilcock at leedsmet.ac.uk (Wilcock, Sean)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:39:27 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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I also enjoyed it much more than I anticipated, but my partner, who did not have any idea what the film was about beforehand, found that there was too much going on for her to follow easily or to empathise with the characters.

<spoilers>
Like one of the other commenters here, I thought the Therns as cosmic villains was going too far.  Strip that out and just have a battle between the warring states of Zodanga and Helium and the film would have worked much better with much less clutter.  If the scriptwriters wanted to rationalise Carter's transportation to Mars, then it could have been a random effect of something used in a Martian battle, or a lost pendant of the absent Therns (ready for film 2), or some other sort of handwavium.  I think the rationalisation introduced too much extraneous material and bogged things down.
</spoilers>

I was very surprised at the lack of marketing for the film here in the UK.  I didn't see one advert on the telly, and I'm the target audience.

Sean


________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Richard West
Sent: 13 March 2012 21:10
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu; iafa-l at sigcis.org
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter

The London Daily Telegraph interviewed Michael Chabon about working on the screenplay for the new _John Carter_ movie. You should be able  to access the article from this URL:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9119850/John-Carter-Michael-Chabon-interview-Goodbye-cool-world.html

I saw _John Carter_  last Saturday (March 10). The theater was not full but there was a sizable audience. It had not gotten very good reviews and I went in with low expectations, but I thought it was a huge lot of fun.

The reviewer in last week's _Entertainment Weekly_ (who panned it) did make what I think is a good point, that the original 1912 story on which the film is based started a brand of space opera so widely copied and now so familiar that the audience may think this movie is derivative of Flash Gordon, Star Wars, etc. when it's the other way round. But many of the sour reviews I've seen remind me of the reaction to the first Star Wars movie, which was widely seen at the time as silly and derivative of kiddie matinee adventure flicks. I think I'm like most people in that I enjoy a well-made adventure flick!

I had read most of the novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs before I was out of my teens and I'm now well into my sixties, so I've been waiting some 50 years to see the Tharks and the thoats and banths and calots depicted on the big screen with the love and care that Chabon and Andrew Stanton and the other filmmakers have done.  I found this to be a  beautifully realized, exciting movie. I saw it in 2D, but I expect those who prefer 3D (I don't) will find it looks fine that way. The Utah scenery (playing the Martian desert) is spectacular and the special effects are as good as one would expect from Pixar. I thought that John Carter and Dejah Thoris and Tars Tarkas looked and acted pretty much like these characters should, and that the actors who performed them did a good job.

Possible spoilers: The movie follows the plot of _A Princess of Mars_ loosely rather than very closely, reworking ERB's characters and situations (sometimes from later novels in the Barsoom series). There is a different mechanism for getting Carter from one planet to another (more teleportation than astral projection; a bit I found neat is when the movie Carter compares it to the telegraph, which is the closest parallel in the technology with which he would have been familiar). The film makes rather more than ERB ever did of Carter's having been a Confederate veteran (so, BTW, do Peter Beagle and Garth Nix in their contributions to the recent anthology of _hommage_ stories, _Under the Moons of Mars_), but I didn't much care for that section, which doesn't seem to me to have much to do with the rest of the story. Carter at that point in the movie is a loose cannon who is badly in need of counseling for anger management. (This may have been introduced to give him a character arc. That a Virginian later chooses to reside in New York may be the scriptwriters' indication that he has gotten over the Civil War.)

Not a deep movie (hey, it's John Carter, not Citizen Kane), but I thought it a good adventure film and I enjoyed it a lot.

Richard West


On 3/13/2012 1:53 PM, Edward Carmien wrote:
I saw it. Was surprised the theater was nearly empty on Saturday night.

Spoilers...

I thought the "lets make the Therns into cosmic villains" element was hardly necessary, but otherwise, as eye candy, darn good. And patient with character development in some areas--John Carter gets a good history.

ejc
Ed Carmien
carmien at mac.com<mailto:carmien at mac.com>



On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson wrote:


My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.


Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.

Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe critic of sf writing and cinema).




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From clan.rockwood at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 08:36:03 2012
From: clan.rockwood at gmail.com (Sue & Bruce Rockwood)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:03 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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Sue and I and our 14 year old son Corwin saw it on Saturday, and really
enjoyed it. I think an analogy could be that the film of John Carter is to
Avatar what Battlestar Galactica was to Star Wars. I agree it was a bit
busy, but using the Therns to bookend the way he gets to Mars and then goes
back at the end makes some sense. You can follow the story without having
read it. My father read all these stories growing up, and Sue read them in
middle school, while Corwin had never heard of them, and we all enjoyed
them. I hope the film gets some word of mouth traction as it would be fun
to see a sequel. Bruce Rockwood

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Wilcock, Sean <S.Wilcock at leedsmet.ac.uk>wrote:

> ******
>
> I also enjoyed it much more than I anticipated, but my partner, who did
> not have any idea what the film was about beforehand, found that there was
> too much going on for her to follow easily or to empathise with the
> characters.   ****
>
> ** **
>
> <spoilers>****
>
> Like one of the other commenters here, I thought the Therns as cosmic
> villains was going too far.  Strip that out and just have a battle between
> the warring states of Zodanga and Helium and the film would have worked
> much better with much less clutter.  If the scriptwriters wanted to
> rationalise Carter?s transportation to Mars, then it could have been a
> random effect of something used in a Martian battle, or a lost pendant of
> the absent Therns (ready for film 2), or some other sort of handwavium.  I
> think the rationalisation introduced too much extraneous material and
> bogged things down.****
>
> </spoilers>****
>
> ** **
>
> I was very surprised at the lack of marketing for the film here in the ***
> *UK****.  I didn?t see one advert on the telly, and I?m the target
> audience.****
>
> ** **
>
> Sean****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:
> sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Richard West
> *Sent:* 13 March 2012 21:10
> *To:* sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu; iafa-l at sigcis.org
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter****
>
> ** **
>
> The London Daily Telegraph interviewed Michael Chabon about working on the
> screenplay for the new _John Carter_ movie. You should be able  to access
> the article from this URL:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9119850/John-Carter-Michael-Chabon-interview-Goodbye-cool-world.html
>
> I saw _John Carter_  last Saturday (March 10). The theater was not full
> but there was a sizable audience. It had not gotten very good reviews and I
> went in with low expectations, but I thought it was a huge lot of fun.
>
> The reviewer in last week's _Entertainment Weekly_ (who panned it) did
> make what I think is a good point, that the original 1912 story on which
> the film is based started a brand of space opera so widely copied and now
> so familiar that the audience may think this movie is derivative of Flash
> Gordon, Star Wars, etc. when it's the other way round. But many of the sour
> reviews I've seen remind me of the reaction to the first Star Wars movie,
> which was widely seen at the time as silly and derivative of kiddie matinee
> adventure flicks. I think I'm like most people in that I enjoy a well-made
> adventure flick!
>
> I had read most of the novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs before I was out of
> my teens and I'm now well into my sixties, so I've been waiting some 50
> years to see the Tharks and the thoats and banths and calots depicted on
> the big screen with the love and care that Chabon and Andrew Stanton and
> the other filmmakers have done.  I found this to be a  beautifully
> realized, exciting movie. I saw it in 2D, but I expect those who prefer 3D
> (I don't) will find it looks fine that way. The ****Utah**** scenery
> (playing the Martian desert) is spectacular and the special effects are as
> good as one would expect from Pixar. I thought that John Carter and Dejah
> Thoris and Tars Tarkas looked and acted pretty much like these characters
> should, and that the actors who performed them did a good job.
>
> Possible spoilers: The movie follows the plot of _A Princess of Mars_
> loosely rather than very closely, reworking ERB's characters and situations
> (sometimes from later novels in the Barsoom series). There is a different
> mechanism for getting Carter from one planet to another (more teleportation
> than astral projection; a bit I found neat is when the movie Carter
> compares it to the telegraph, which is the closest parallel in the
> technology with which he would have been familiar). The film makes rather
> more than ERB ever did of Carter's having been a Confederate veteran (so,
> BTW, do Peter Beagle and Garth Nix in their contributions to the recent
> anthology of _hommage_ stories, _Under the Moons of Mars_), but I didn't
> much care for that section, which doesn't seem to me to have much to do
> with the rest of the story. Carter at that point in the movie is a loose
> cannon who is badly in need of counseling for anger management. (This may
> have been introduced to give him a character arc. That a Virginian later
> chooses to reside in ****New York**** may be the scriptwriters'
> indication that he has gotten over the Civil War.)
>
> Not a deep movie (hey, it's John Carter, not Citizen Kane), but I thought
> it a good adventure film and I enjoyed it a lot.
>
> Richard West
>
>
> On 3/13/2012 1:53 PM, Edward Carmien wrote: ****
>
> I saw it. Was surprised the theater was nearly empty on Saturday night. **
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Spoilers...****
>
> ** **
>
> I thought the "lets make the Therns into cosmic villains" element was
> hardly necessary, but otherwise, as eye candy, darn good. And patient with
> character development in some areas--John Carter gets a good history. ****
>
> ** **
>
> ejc****
>
> Ed Carmien****
>
> carmien at mac.com****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson wrote:****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
>
>
> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, *John Carte**r*?  My family
> and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure
> unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have
> condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find it
> enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think
> the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's
> a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you
> don't take it seriously.
>
> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe
> critic of sf writing and cinema).
>
>
>
>
> ****
>
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar 14 13:15:14 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:15:14 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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Well, we've come a long way since....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEbTWHpuXsU

--J.J.

On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Sue & Bruce Rockwood wrote:

> Sue and I and our 14 year old son Corwin saw it on Saturday, and  
> really enjoyed it. I think an analogy could be that the film of  
> John Carter is to Avatar what Battlestar Galactica was to Star  
> Wars. I agree it was a bit busy, but using the Therns to bookend  
> the way he gets to Mars and then goes back at the end makes some  
> sense. You can follow the story without having read it. My father  
> read all these stories growing up, and Sue read them in middle  
> school, while Corwin had never heard of them, and we all enjoyed  
> them. I hope the film gets some word of mouth traction as it would  
> be fun to see a sequel. Bruce Rockwood
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Wilcock, Sean  
> <S.Wilcock at leedsmet.ac.uk> wrote:
> I also enjoyed it much more than I anticipated, but my partner, who  
> did not have any idea what the film was about beforehand, found  
> that there was too much going on for her to follow easily or to  
> empathise with the characters.
>
>
>
> <spoilers>
>
> Like one of the other commenters here, I thought the Therns as  
> cosmic villains was going too far.  Strip that out and just have a  
> battle between the warring states of Zodanga and Helium and the  
> film would have worked much better with much less clutter.  If the  
> scriptwriters wanted to rationalise Carter?s transportation to  
> Mars, then it could have been a random effect of something used in  
> a Martian battle, or a lost pendant of the absent Therns (ready for  
> film 2), or some other sort of handwavium.  I think the  
> rationalisation introduced too much extraneous material and bogged  
> things down.
>
> </spoilers>
>
>
>
> I was very surprised at the lack of marketing for the film here in  
> the UK.  I didn?t see one advert on the telly, and I?m the target  
> audience.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l- 
> bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Richard West
> Sent: 13 March 2012 21:10
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu; iafa-l at sigcis.org
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter
>
>
>
> The London Daily Telegraph interviewed Michael Chabon about working  
> on the screenplay for the new _John Carter_ movie. You should be  
> able  to access the article from this URL:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9119850/John-Carter-Michael- 
> Chabon-interview-Goodbye-cool-world.html
>
> I saw _John Carter_  last Saturday (March 10). The theater was not  
> full but there was a sizable audience. It had not gotten very good  
> reviews and I went in with low expectations, but I thought it was a  
> huge lot of fun.
>
> The reviewer in last week's _Entertainment Weekly_ (who panned it)  
> did make what I think is a good point, that the original 1912 story  
> on which the film is based started a brand of space opera so widely  
> copied and now so familiar that the audience may think this movie  
> is derivative of Flash Gordon, Star Wars, etc. when it's the other  
> way round. But many of the sour reviews I've seen remind me of the  
> reaction to the first Star Wars movie, which was widely seen at the  
> time as silly and derivative of kiddie matinee adventure flicks. I  
> think I'm like most people in that I enjoy a well-made adventure  
> flick!
>
> I had read most of the novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs before I was  
> out of my teens and I'm now well into my sixties, so I've been  
> waiting some 50 years to see the Tharks and the thoats and banths  
> and calots depicted on the big screen with the love and care that  
> Chabon and Andrew Stanton and the other filmmakers have done.  I  
> found this to be a  beautifully realized, exciting movie. I saw it  
> in 2D, but I expect those who prefer 3D (I don't) will find it  
> looks fine that way. The Utah scenery (playing the Martian desert)  
> is spectacular and the special effects are as good as one would  
> expect from Pixar. I thought that John Carter and Dejah Thoris and  
> Tars Tarkas looked and acted pretty much like these characters  
> should, and that the actors who performed them did a good job.
>
> Possible spoilers: The movie follows the plot of _A Princess of  
> Mars_ loosely rather than very closely, reworking ERB's characters  
> and situations (sometimes from later novels in the Barsoom series).  
> There is a different mechanism for getting Carter from one planet  
> to another (more teleportation than astral projection; a bit I  
> found neat is when the movie Carter compares it to the telegraph,  
> which is the closest parallel in the technology with which he would  
> have been familiar). The film makes rather more than ERB ever did  
> of Carter's having been a Confederate veteran (so, BTW, do Peter  
> Beagle and Garth Nix in their contributions to the recent anthology  
> of _hommage_ stories, _Under the Moons of Mars_), but I didn't much  
> care for that section, which doesn't seem to me to have much to do  
> with the rest of the story. Carter at that point in the movie is a  
> loose cannon who is badly in need of counseling for anger  
> management. (This may have been introduced to give him a character  
> arc. That a Virginian later chooses to reside in New York may be  
> the scriptwriters' indication that he has gotten over the Civil War.)
>
> Not a deep movie (hey, it's John Carter, not Citizen Kane), but I  
> thought it a good adventure film and I enjoyed it a lot.
>
> Richard West
>
>
> On 3/13/2012 1:53 PM, Edward Carmien wrote:
>
> I saw it. Was surprised the theater was nearly empty on Saturday  
> night.
>
>
>
> Spoilers...
>
>
>
> I thought the "lets make the Therns into cosmic villains" element  
> was hardly necessary, but otherwise, as eye candy, darn good. And  
> patient with character development in some areas--John Carter gets  
> a good history.
>
>
>
> ejc
>
> Ed Carmien
>
> carmien at mac.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson wrote:
>
>
>
>
> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject  
> line.
>
>
> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family  
> and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure  
> unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical  
> buzz have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations,  
> you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since  
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From chris.hellstrom at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 15:07:27 2012
From: chris.hellstrom at gmail.com (Christopher Hellstrom)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:07:27 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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Dave,

Of interest may be Greg Bear's positive review.
http://www.gregbear.com/index.cfm
I have not seen it but I enjoyed Bear's take on it, which seems to
mirror your own.

I may take my daughter but the noisy CGI reminds me of the worst of
the Star Wars Prequels

Chris

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson <dnsmlsn at csulb.edu> wrote:
> My bad.? I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
>
>
> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?? My family and I saw
> it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.? It's pure unadulterated hokum but
> very well done.? Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you
> go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.? I haven't been a
> fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the
> absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned
> shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.
>
> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe
> critic of sf writing and cinema).
>
>
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From ddavis at gdn.edu  Thu Mar 15 09:46:55 2012
From: ddavis at gdn.edu (Davis, Doug)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:46:55 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
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That Phantom Menace clip was great, but Greg Bear's comments on the Times in his review are delusional. Did they recently burn him in a review? I read the Times coverage of John Carter (which made me Want to see the film, btw--at the Drive In!) and have no idea what he is writing about. Is he referring to A.O. Scott's mixed review (hardly a pan!)? Charles McGrath's article on the Burroughs, which quotes Michael Chabon's pulp-love at length? Scott enjoyed the film, sort of, and McGrath fairly describes Burroughs' place in SF history. Scott's big beef is that John Carter suffers from Star Wars-itis: "?John Carter? tries to evoke, to reanimate, a fondly recalled universe of B-movies, pulp novels and boys? adventure magazines. But it pursues this modest goal according to blockbuster logic, which buries the easy, scrappy pleasures of the old stuff in expensive excess." Bear obviously didn't mind the overproduction; Scott did.

The Times has gotten more genre friendly in the past ten years, as far as I can tell, at least in its film and TV coverage. Scott in particular is more genre friendly than any other film critic the Times has ever employed (but I do miss Elvis Mitchell), although his geeky tastes tilt more to comics and superheroes than SF&F. He'll bend over backwards to praise a Marvel film and he often adopts the same kind of reactionary, populist, anti-intellectual tone in his reviews that Bear does in his attack on Scott's own review. His comments on John Carter hardly read like an attack on SF.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Taylor Kitsch ain't no Gene Autry. Can he battle space aliens while singing, yodeling, playing guitar and riding a horse? It's fun to see those old films and realize that early Hollywood was more like today's Bollywood than today's Hollywood. And Bear seems to have broken Autry's Cowboy Commandment #3: always tell the truth.

Doug Davis, Ph.D.
Editor, SFRA Review
Associate Professor of English
Division of Humanities
Gordon College
419 College Drive
Barnesville, GA 30204
ddavis at gdn.edu<mailto:ddavis at gdn.edu>
(678) 359 5817 (office)
(678) 359 5140 (fax)



On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Christopher Hellstrom wrote:

Dave,

Of interest may be Greg Bear's positive review.
http://www.gregbear.com/index.cfm
I have not seen it but I enjoyed Bear's take on it, which seems to
mirror your own.

I may take my daughter but the noisy CGI reminds me of the worst of
the Star Wars Prequels

Chris

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson <dnsmlsn at csulb.edu> wrote:
My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.


Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw
it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but
very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you
go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a
fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the
absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned
shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.

Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe
critic of sf writing and cinema).




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From bnewton at ashcomp.com  Thu Mar 15 13:14:54 2012
From: bnewton at ashcomp.com (Barry Newton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:14:54 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
In-Reply-To: <E85D7692-72F0-4523-AD95-B71B2F5F62DD@gdn.edu>
References: <E03A1BAF9923284BB5B2348D4813D75C2B927CC9@EXMAIL1.drexel.edu>
	<D6412D5B-BE05-40C0-B46E-50994B61DB45@gmail.com>
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 From Greg Bear:

Here's the piece that grabbed my attention:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/movies/john-carter-based-on-princess-of-mars.html



On 3/15/2012 9:46 AM, Davis, Doug wrote:
> That Phantom Menace clip was great, but Greg Bear's comments on the Times in his review are delusional. Did they recently burn him in a review? I read the Times coverage of John Carter (which made me Want to see the film, btw--at the Drive In!) and have no idea what he is writing about. Is he referring to A.O. Scott's mixed review (hardly a pan!)? Charles McGrath's article on the Burroughs, which quotes Michael Chabon's pulp-love at length? Scott enjoyed the film, sort of, and McGrath fairly describes Burroughs' place in SF history. Scott's big beef is that John Carter suffers from Star Wars-itis: ""John Carter" tries to evoke, to reanimate, a fondly recalled universe of B-movies, pulp novels and boys' adventure magazines. But it pursues this modest goal according to blockbuster logic, which buries the easy, scrappy pleasures of the old stuff in expensive excess." Bear obviously didn't mind the overproduction; Scott did.
>
> The Times has gotten more genre friendly in the past ten years, as far as I can tell, at least in its film and TV coverage. Scott in particular is more genre friendly than any other film critic the Times has ever employed (but I do miss Elvis Mitchell), although his geeky tastes tilt more to comics and superheroes than SF&F. He'll bend over backwards to praise a Marvel film and he often adopts the same kind of reactionary, populist, anti-intellectual tone in his reviews that Bear does in his attack on Scott's own review. His comments on John Carter hardly read like an attack on SF.
>
> Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Taylor Kitsch ain't no Gene Autry. Can he battle space aliens while singing, yodeling, playing guitar and riding a horse? It's fun to see those old films and realize that early Hollywood was more like today's Bollywood than today's Hollywood. And Bear seems to have broken Autry's Cowboy Commandment #3: always tell the truth.
>
> Doug Davis, Ph.D.
> Editor, SFRA Review
> Associate Professor of English
> Division of Humanities
> Gordon College
> 419 College Drive
> Barnesville, GA 30204
> ddavis at gdn.edu<mailto:ddavis at gdn.edu>
> (678) 359 5817 (office)
> (678) 359 5140 (fax)
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Christopher Hellstrom wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Of interest may be Greg Bear's positive review.
> http://www.gregbear.com/index.cfm
> I have not seen it but I enjoyed Bear's take on it, which seems to
> mirror your own.
>
> I may take my daughter but the noisy CGI reminds me of the worst of
> the Star Wars Prequels
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson<dnsmlsn at csulb.edu>  wrote:
> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
>
>
> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw
> it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but
> very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you
> go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a
> fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the
> absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned
> shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.
>
> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe
> critic of sf writing and cinema).
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
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>
>
>
>
> --
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From dnsmlsn at csulb.edu  Thu Mar 15 13:36:59 2012
From: dnsmlsn at csulb.edu (Dave Samuelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:36:59 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter
In-Reply-To: <CANunxM4kSsDpvxF5v_1Ptfvzpn43czEKWs7Ut7mgnhn455pZhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E03A1BAF9923284BB5B2348D4813D75C2B927CC9@EXMAIL1.drexel.edu><D6412D5B-BE05-40C0-B46E-50994B61DB45@gmail.com><4F5F9444.9070105@csulb.edu>
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It's pretty loud.  Ear plugs may prove useful.

On 3/14/2012 12:07 PM, Christopher Hellstrom wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Of interest may be Greg Bear's positive review.
> http://www.gregbear.com/index.cfm
> I have not seen it but I enjoyed Bear's take on it, which seems to
> mirror your own.
>
> I may take my daughter but the noisy CGI reminds me of the worst of
> the Star Wars Prequels
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dave Samuelson<dnsmlsn at csulb.edu>  wrote:
>> My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.
>>
>>
>> Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw
>> it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but
>> very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you
>> go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a
>> fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the
>> absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned
>> shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.
>>
>> Dave Samuelson (putting at grave risk his reputation as a fairly severe
>> critic of sf writing and cinema).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SFRA-L mailing list
>> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>>
>
>

From arduncan at frostburg.edu  Tue Mar 13 15:49:50 2012
From: arduncan at frostburg.edu (Andrew R Duncan)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:49:50 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] John Carter
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Howard Waldrop and Lawrence Person give it a mixed review at Locus Online: http://www.locusmag.com/Reviews/2012/03/howard-waldrop-and-lawrence-person-review-john-carter/  --  Andy

Andy Duncan
Assistant Professor
Department of English
313-B Dunkle Hall
Frostburg State University
(301) 687-4241
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From: iafa-l-bounces at sigcis.org [mailto:iafa-l-bounces at sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Dave Samuelson
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:39 PM
To: iafa-l at sigcis.org; sfra-l list
Subject: [IAFA-L] John Carter

My bad.  I hijacked a previous message without revising the subject line.


Has everybody ignored the new Disney film, John Carter?  My family and I saw it Sunday (IMAX 3D) and had a great time.  It's pure unadulterated hokum but very well done.  Comic-Con and critical buzz have condemned it, but if you go with lowered expectations, you may find it enjoyable.  I haven't been a fan of Burroughs since I was 12, but I think the imagineers took only the absurd framework and characters from ERB; it's a (very) old-fashioned shoot-em-up Western, but a visual treat, if you don't take it seriously.

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From cleslie at poly.edu  Tue Mar 13 14:49:31 2012
From: cleslie at poly.edu (Christopher Leslie)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:49:31 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Robotic probes to the planets
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Dear Phil,

Not sure how well this fits your criterion of "realistic," but one of the robot stories Asimov did not include in _I, Robot_ was "Victory Unintentional." In this 1942 story, sturdy robots are used to explore Jupiter. 

Chris

On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Phil Nichols wrote:

> Much of the pre-Apollo SF dealing with space exploration dealt with the challenge of exploration by people in spacesuits and rocketships. But did anyone write about robotic probes in anything like a realistic way - for example, anticipating the Mariner/Viking style of orbiter/lander, or anticipating anything like the Spirit or Opportunity rovers on Mars?
> 
> I'm not talking about recent stories involving robotic probes, only anything that pre-dates the Mariner and Apollo programmes. Does anything spring to mind?
> 
> - Phil
> 
> Phil Nichols
> 
> University of Wolverhampton/
> University of Liverpool
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From clan.rockwood at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 16:50:54 2012
From: clan.rockwood at gmail.com (Sue & Bruce Rockwood)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:50:54 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Robotic probes to the planets
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Not predating Apollo, but James Hogan "The Code of the Lifemaker" has an
interesting take on how robots might evolve into something more. Bruce
Rockwood

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Christopher Leslie <cleslie at poly.edu>wrote:

> Dear Phil,
>
> Not sure how well this fits your criterion of "realistic," but one of the
> robot stories Asimov did not include in _I, Robot_ was "Victory
> Unintentional." In this 1942 story, sturdy robots are used to explore
> Jupiter.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Phil Nichols wrote:
>
> Much of the pre-Apollo SF dealing with space exploration dealt with the
> challenge of exploration by people in spacesuits and rocketships. But did
> anyone write about robotic probes in anything like a realistic way - for
> example, anticipating the Mariner/Viking style of orbiter/lander, or
> anticipating anything like the Spirit or Opportunity rovers on Mars?
>
> I'm not talking about recent stories involving robotic probes, only
> anything that pre-dates the Mariner and Apollo programmes. Does anything
> spring to mind?
>
> - Phil
>
> Phil Nichols
>
> University of Wolverhampton/
> University of Liverpool
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>
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> 6 MetroTech Center, RH 213h
> Brooklyn, NY 11201
> (718) 260-3130
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Sun Mar 18 00:33:14 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:33:14 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Editing aid request: JOHN CARTER movie (2012) [Brief,
	low priority]
Message-ID: <6EA2A855-2C95-42E8-82BB-B310B05DF1E6@MUOhio.edu>

Anything anyone would add to this citation, with the annotation hopefully relevant for "the human/machine interface in SF"?

5. DRAMA, RDE, 17/III/12        
John Carter. Andrew Stanton, dir., co-script, with Mark Andrews and Michael Chabon, from "A Princess of Mars" by Edgar Rice Burroughs. USA: Walt Disney Pictures (prod., most dist.), 2012.

SF/F space opera. See for steampunk technology on Mars, and the suggestion of technology to handle Mars-Earth teleportation and other effects. Cf. magic on Mars in the Flash Gordon movies; contrast the more openly magical aspects of the Burroughs stories. Note beauty as well as clunkiness of some of the technology, specifically some of the aircraft.

Edits may be made on the Clockworks wiki or sent to me on- or off-line.
	http://www.clockworks2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Thanks for any help. Happy ICFA 2012 (upcoming),
Rich
______________________________________
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From KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu  Sun Mar 18 11:07:56 2012
From: KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu (Knickerbocker, Dale)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:07:56 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] reviewers needed-Spanish language fantasy studies
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The following are still available for review:



Dale Knickerbocker
Professor of Hispanic Studies
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
knickerbockerd at ecu.edu<mailto:knickerbockerd at ecu.edu>
Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.


________________________________
From: Knickerbocker, Dale
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:28 PM
To: iafa-l at sigcis.org; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: reviewers needed-Spanish language fantasy studies


Dear Colleagues:



I am looking for someone to review the studies below for the JFA. Those interested, please reply off-list.


The first, published in Colombia:

Otros seres y otros mundos: Estudios en
literatura fant?stica es una recopilaci?n de una
variedad de textos aparecidos en Colombia y en el
exterior, acerca de autores, obras, subg?neros y
tendencias, siempre en el campo de la literatura
fant?stica.
por Campo Ricardo Burgos L?pez
Ed. Universidad Sergio Arboleda
The second, from Peru
ELTON HONORES (Ed.)

LO FANT?STICO EN HISPANOAM?RICA
Lima: Cuerpo de la Met?fora, 2011. 292 pp.

(see attached for a list of the essays included in the second)




Dale Knickerbocker
Professor of Hispanic Studies
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
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Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.


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From rob.latham at ucr.edu  Mon Mar 19 02:37:45 2012
From: rob.latham at ucr.edu (Rob Latham)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:37:45 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Mullen Fellowship deadline reminder
Message-ID: <0F282206-DA0D-4747-9F8C-0E60DB76778D@ucr.edu>

A final reminder: the deadline to apply for an R.D. Mullen Research  
Fellowship for 2012-13 is April 6. See the full Call for Applications  
below.





Call for Applications: R.D. Mullen Fellowship

Science Fiction Studies announces the fourth annual R.D. Mullen  
Fellowship supporting research in the J. Lloyd Eaton Collection of  
Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, and Utopian Literature at the  
University of California, Riverside. Awards of up to $1500 are  
available to fund research in the archive during the 2012-13 academic  
year. Students in good standing in graduate degree-granting programs  
are eligible to apply. We welcome applications from international  
students.


The Mullen Fellowship, named in honor of SFS?s founding editor,  
promotes archival work in the Eaton?s extensive holdings, which  
include over 100,000 hardcover and paperback books, over 250,000  
fanzines, full runs of all major pulp and digest magazines, and the  
manuscripts of prominent sf writers such as Gregory Benford, David  
Brin, and Anne McCaffrey. Other noteworthy parts of the Collection  
are: 500 shooting scripts of science fiction films; 3500 volumes of  
proto-sf ?boy?s books? of the Tom Swift variety; works of sf in  
numerous foreign languages, including Chinese, Czech, French, German,  
Hebrew, Japanese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, and Spanish;  
a large collection of taped fan conventions and taped interviews with  
American, British, and French writers; reference materials on topics  
such as applied science, magic, witchcraft, UFOs, and Star Trek; an  
extensive collection of anime and manga; and the largest holdings of  
critical materials on science fiction and fantasy in the United  
States. Further information about the Eaton Collection can be found  
online at: <http://eaton-collection.ucr.edu/>.


Applications should include a cover letter explaining the candidate?s  
academic experience and preparation, a CV, a 2-3 page proposal  
outlining a specific and well-developed agenda for research in the  
Eaton archive, a prospective budget detailing expenses, and two  
letters of recommendation from individuals familiar with the  
candidate?s academic work.


The deadline for submission is April 6, 2012. Applications will be  
reviewed by a committee of sf scholars, and successful applicants will  
be notified in early May. Electronic submission (as RTF or PDF files)  
of applications to is preferred. Applications should be sent to:  
Professor Rob Latham at <rob.latham at ucr.edu>.

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From Robin_Reid at tamu-commerce.edu  Mon Mar 19 13:19:04 2012
From: Robin_Reid at tamu-commerce.edu (Robin Reid)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:19:04 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Survey:  Women & Tolkien: Amazons, Valkyries, Feminists,
	and Slashers
Message-ID: <38B4D1F43B846A4DA515A21273D574FF06AB60DA@exchangeserver2.tamu-commerce.edu>

Hello:  I will be doing a presentation on the topic of women enjoying Tolkien?s work at the 2012 Tolkien at Kalamazoo area, at the International Congress of Medieval Studies, in May, 2012. 

The purpose of this post is to invite women who are 18 and over and who are readers or fans of Tolkien's work and/or teachers who have taught Tolkien's work, and/or scholars who have published on Tolkien's work to answer a few open-ended questions about their reasons for enjoying his work.  Feel free to circulate the survey information to anyone who may be interested; I?m sorry if you?re getting multiple versions of this because of membership on multiple fantastic listservs!

This project has been reviewed by my university?s Institutional Review Board, and has been posted on Dreamwidth; it is also possible to take the survey via email (return to: robin_reid at tamu-commerce.edu).   No names will be saved or associated with responses. 

By "women," I mean anybody who identifies as a woman. 

By "Tolkien's work," I mean any of his published novels, stories, poems, or academic essays.

I will not be collecting any personal or identifying data, nor will I be attempting to make any correlations or connections between people's identity or social group and their enjoyment of Tolkien's work in this study.

Participants may reply anonymously, use a pseuodonym of their choice, or provide their legal name (or any variant of it) on the Dreamwidth site set up in connection with this project (http://robin-anne-reid.dreamwidth.org/45806.html).  You may also reply to me via email if you wish (names will be stripped before responses are saved). 

On Dreamwidth, all responses are screened; I will not unscreen any response unless the participant specifically requests it at the end of her response. 

I am not logging IPs.

Anyone identifying as a woman, eighteen and older, is invited to respond.

If you have any questions about this project, feel free to contact either of the following:

Robin Anne Reid, Ph.D.
Department of Literature and Languages
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Commerce, TX 75429
Work: 903.886.5268
Fax: 903.886.5980
Robin_Reid at tamu-commerce.edu

Carmen F. Salazar, Ph.D.
Chair, Institutional Review Board (IRB)
Associate Professor
Department of Psychology, Counseling, and Special Education
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Commerce, TX 75429-3011
(903) 886-5634
Carmen_Salazar at tamu-commerce.edu

Survey:
?
Women & Tolkien: Amazons, Valkyries, Feminists, and Slashers 

Questions:

1.	What are your favorite works by Tolkien?

2.	What do you most like about your favorite works by Tolkien?

3.	What was the first work by Tolkien that you read?

4.	Do you re-read his work?

5.	How many years have you been reading Tolkien?

6.	Have you ever written about Tolkien's work: As a fan? As a published author? As an academic scholar?

7.	Do you talk about Tolkien's work(s) with other women?

8.	Do you recommend Tolkien's work to other women?


Professor of Literature and Languages
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Commerce, TX 75429
903.886.5268
Fax: 903.886.5980


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From slonczewski at kenyon.edu  Tue Mar 20 22:37:23 2012
From: slonczewski at kenyon.edu (Joan Slonczewski)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:37:23 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Cuba experience
Message-ID: <CAAzKrdJHUZSbVbX1YpMDFGPxxNDzsk=3q_aC0b52P8hJSRNtfw@mail.gmail.com>

For those interested to hear about my Cuba trip with Judy Kerman,
photos and blog posts
are collected here:
http://biology.kenyon.edu/slonc/Cuba_Web/cuba.html
The experience will serve as background for my next Frontera novel,
Blood Star Frontier.  We met with several private individuals outside
the tour, including a  physician and an "independent blogger." It was
all quite amazing.

Joan L. Slonczewski
Professor of Biology
Higley Hall, 202 N. College Drive
Kenyon College
Gambier, OH 43022
http://biology.kenyon.edu/slonc/slonc.htm
slonczewski at kenyon.edu
Phone: 740-427-5397

From ko.omry at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 16:32:30 2012
From: ko.omry at gmail.com (Keren Omry)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:32:30 +0200
Subject: [SFRA-L] Home/Homeland and SF
Message-ID: <CAMYCk5De_5RSehc9OoKr9a7S606PtXeykRFFytttepvx=Jt+jg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Hive Mind,

I am teaching a course on *home *and SF.

Here I'm thinking of questions of the relationship between Home and:

* language/culture
* nation/land
* family/society
* power: post/colonial, gender
* technology: travel, communication, information, surveillance
* homelessness
* terrorism
* im/migration
* economy

etc.

and how our understanding of *Home *and its role in SF (which so often
dramatizes the tension between alienation-familiarity that I expect is one
of the defining features of *Home*)  has changed in recent decades in
lights of dramatic shifts in some of the above.

I've got a handful of longer texts in mind but desperately need some short
stories to fill in the gaps.

Any thoughts would be very helpful!

Cheers,

Keren
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From tamaleaver at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 04:06:29 2012
From: tamaleaver at gmail.com (Tama Leaver)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:06:29 +0800
Subject: [SFRA-L] New Book: Artificial Culture
Message-ID: <CAJ8rtswq5g+XSj5oXMEqZQz8YnkuLEF=fHVrmuyxcOo9vosXRQ@mail.gmail.com>

New Book Announcement (apologies for x-posting)



Artificial Culture: Identity, Technology, and Bodies (Routledge, 2012)

Tama Leaver, Curtin University



Amazon http://amzn.to/wRe4PN

Routledge: http://bit.ly/mivLzx



Artificial Culture is an examination of the articulation, construction, and
representation of "the artificial" in contemporary popular cultural texts,
with a focus on science fiction films and novels, but also addressing
digital culture more broadly including analysis of Wikileaks, the Visible
Human Project and the emergence of synthespians. The book argues that today
we live in an artificial culture due to the deep and inextricable
relationships between people and technology, with human bodies as a key
marker of these symbiotic connections. While the artificial is often
imagined as outside of the natural order and thus also beyond the realm of
humanity, paradoxically, artificial concepts are simultaneously produced
and constructed by human ideas and labor. The artificial can thus act as a
boundary point against which it is possible in some respects to measure
what it might mean to be human. More importantly, the artificial often
blurs the boundary between humans, technology and the environment at large
in often purposefully unsettling ways.



The core texts analysed in the book are: 2001 A Space Odyssey; the four
Terminator films; Greg Egan?s novels Permutation City and Diaspora; The
Visible Human Project; William Gibson?s bridge trilogy (Virtual Light,
Idoru, and All Tomorrow?s Parties); Wikileaks; The Matrix films and
franchise; WETA?s digital effects in the Lord of the Rings films, with a
particular focus on the synthespian Gollum; the Spider-Man trilogy; Wall-E;
and Avatar.



Contents:

Part1: Artificial Intelligence
   1. Early Artificial Intelligence Films: ?When are you going to let me
out of this box?
   2. "I am a machine!": Artificial Intelligences in Contemporary Cinema

Part 2: Artificial Life

   3. From Digital Genesis to the Artificial Other

   4. Diasporic Subjectivities: Not Quite ?Beyond the Infinite?

Part 3: Artificial Space

   5. The Fortification of Place in the Digital Age

   6. Resistance is Spatial

   7. The Infinite Plasticity of the Digital?

Part 4: Artificial Culture

   8. Matrices of Embodiment

   9. The Symbiosis of Special Effects

Part 5: Artificial Culture

   10. Before the Mourning

   11. Artificial Mourning: Spider-Man, Special Effects and September 11



For slightly more information (and colour versions of the images used in
the book) please visit http://www.tamaleaver.net/artificial-culture/ . My
apologies that the book on the expensive side; if you have access to a
university library, perhaps recommend they purchase it in the first
instance.



-Tama

-- 
Dr Tama Leaver
Lecturer in Internet Studies
Faculty of Humanities, Curtin University of Technology
GPO Box U1987 Perth WA Australia 6845
Phone: (+61 8) 9266 1258
Fax: (+61 8) 9266 3166
Email: t.leaver at curtin.edu.au
Web: www.tamaleaver.net

CRICOS Provider Code: 00301J (WA) 02637B (NSW)
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Sat Mar 24 19:59:30 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 23:59:30 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
Message-ID: <W3249931262102901332633570@webmail18>

My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.

Just my two cents.

--John J. Pierce


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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Sat Mar 24 20:45:32 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:45:32 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
In-Reply-To: <W3249931262102901332633570@webmail18>
References: <W3249931262102901332633570@webmail18>
Message-ID: <EA3F3882-52DB-48F8-A8F0-085386AC6653@MUOhio.edu>

On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:

> My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> --John J. Pierce
> _______________________________________________

Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for me that got lost. 
	(I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians ?].)

Rich E.


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From clan.rockwood at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 07:16:07 2012
From: clan.rockwood at gmail.com (Sue & Bruce Rockwood)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
In-Reply-To: <EA3F3882-52DB-48F8-A8F0-085386AC6653@MUOhio.edu>
References: <W3249931262102901332633570@webmail18>
	<EA3F3882-52DB-48F8-A8F0-085386AC6653@MUOhio.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKh09Nf7Xx0JCFAqG=OMNUTpSsE9qTQJJxUk7b_pFfZRWp1hyw@mail.gmail.com>

We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not
read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John
Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of
a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film
makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for
projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories)
somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers /
nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film
trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example,
did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of
Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch.
I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan
enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the
general viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I
think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an
embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!  I know
the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two
films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in
the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.

Bruce Rockwood

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> wrote:

> On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:
>
> My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and
> we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so
> I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot
> different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached
> the point that the tharks could be *individualized*, even when there were
> a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went
> into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other
> aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were
> good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of
> a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto
> the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional
> Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far
> with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet
> into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I
> thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the
> airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no
> helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been
> better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate
> up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was
> a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a
> resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> --John J. Pierce
>  _______________________________________________
>
>
> Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be
> saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for
> me that got lost.
> (I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but
> possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with
> several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians
> ?].)
>
> Rich E.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>
>


-- 
""We believe we teach students before we teach subjects." And then we try
to live that every day."
- Chris Lehmann quoting Nel Noddings.

Operor plures res.
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From damereading1 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 08:23:08 2012
From: damereading1 at yahoo.com (Gail Bondi)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
In-Reply-To: <CAKh09Nf7Xx0JCFAqG=OMNUTpSsE9qTQJJxUk7b_pFfZRWp1hyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W3249931262102901332633570@webmail18>
	<EA3F3882-52DB-48F8-A8F0-085386AC6653@MUOhio.edu>
	<CAKh09Nf7Xx0JCFAqG=OMNUTpSsE9qTQJJxUk7b_pFfZRWp1hyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1332678188.25650.YahooMailNeo@web111713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it. They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by them.?

I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated), Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think politics was a major point here.?

Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com


________________________________
 From: Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com>
To: Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> 
Cc: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
 

We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories) somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers / nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example, did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch. I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the general
 viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!? I know the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.

Bruce Rockwood


On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> wrote:

On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:
>
>My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite
 another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
>>
>>Just my two cents.
>>
>>--John J. Pierce
>>
_______________________________________________
>>
>
>Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for me that got lost.?
>(I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians ?].)
>
>
>Rich E.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SFRA-L mailing list
>SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>
>


-- 
""We believe we teach students before we teach subjects." And then we try to live that every day."
- Chris Lehmann quoting Nel Noddings.

Operor plures res.
Nunquam trado navis navis.



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From dynamicsubspace at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 14:13:05 2012
From: dynamicsubspace at gmail.com (Jason Ellis)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:13:05 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Citation Needed for William Gibson's Foreword/Afterword to
	Mona Lisa Overdrive
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Hi all,

In two illicit etext versions of William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive,
there is an essay by Gibson titled either "Author's Foreword" or
"Author's Afterword" dated 6/16/92 that begins:

"Ten years have now passed since the inception of whatever strange
process it was that led me to write Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona
Lisa Overdrive. The technology through which you now access these
words didn't exist, a decade ago.

Neuromancer was written on a "clockwork typewriter," the very one you
may recall glimpsing in Julie Deane's office in Chiba City. This
machine, a Hermes 2000 manual portable, dates from somewhere in the
1930's."

I assume this appears in an edition of MLO from 1992 or after.
Unfortunately, I cannot find a citation for this or any reference to a
foreword/afterword in the editions available to me in Ohio. I have
also checked Worldcat and several libraries with science fiction
collections (Liverpool, Riverside, TAMU, KU) for any reference to
this. The ISFDB lists a 1992 Bantam trade paperback edition and a 1995
Voyager/Harper Collins UK trade paperback edition--I wonder if it
appeared in either of these. If you have a later edition of MLO handy,
can you check it for this foreword or afterwork and please let me know
the bibliographic information including page numbers?

Many thanks,

Jason

-- 
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/

From dynamicsubspace at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 14:52:36 2012
From: dynamicsubspace at gmail.com (Jason Ellis)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:52:36 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Citation Needed for William Gibson's
 Foreword/Afterword to Mona Lisa Overdrive
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Hi again,

I should have read the beginning and ending of the foreword/afterword
more carefully. Gibson writes, "The technology through which you now
access these words didn't exist, a decade ago," and "It gives me great
pleasure to have these three books digitized, datacompressed, and
published in this (make no mistake) revolutionary format." So,
apparently, this is taken from an etext of some sort. It could be
this:

Electronic Book Versions

Voyager Co. (http://www.voyagerco.com--dead link) sold an Expanded
Book edition of Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive on
floppy disk for Mac and PC. It's surprisingly readable and has search,
comment, and bookmark features, but the content is very plain. I would
have liked to see the original artwork, the extensive reviews of
Neuromancer, etc.
>From http://www.voyagerco.com/CD/gh/p.eb.html (dead link)

Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, and Count Zero by William Gibson
(Mac/Win) $19.95
Cat. No. EB15 June 1992
ISBN: 1-155940-254-7
Cover: gray morphed liquid shapes "WOMBO, 1991" (c) David Em
Virtual Light by William Gibson (Mac) $19.95

(from http://www.skierpage.com/gibson/biblio.htm)

Has anyone seen or used this software?

Best, Jason

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jason Ellis <dynamicsubspace at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In two illicit etext versions of William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive,
> there is an essay by Gibson titled either "Author's Foreword" or
> "Author's Afterword" dated 6/16/92 that begins:
>
> "Ten years have now passed since the inception of whatever strange
> process it was that led me to write Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona
> Lisa Overdrive. The technology through which you now access these
> words didn't exist, a decade ago.
>
> Neuromancer was written on a "clockwork typewriter," the very one you
> may recall glimpsing in Julie Deane's office in Chiba City. This
> machine, a Hermes 2000 manual portable, dates from somewhere in the
> 1930's."
>
> I assume this appears in an edition of MLO from 1992 or after.
> Unfortunately, I cannot find a citation for this or any reference to a
> foreword/afterword in the editions available to me in Ohio. I have
> also checked Worldcat and several libraries with science fiction
> collections (Liverpool, Riverside, TAMU, KU) for any reference to
> this. The ISFDB lists a 1992 Bantam trade paperback edition and a 1995
> Voyager/Harper Collins UK trade paperback edition--I wonder if it
> appeared in either of these. If you have a later edition of MLO handy,
> can you check it for this foreword or afterwork and please let me know
> the bibliographic information including page numbers?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> --
> Jason W. Ellis
>
> PhD Candidate, Kent State University
>
> Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association
>
> Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/



-- 
Jason W. Ellis

PhD Candidate, Kent State University

Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association

Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/

From gregconley at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 23:22:54 2012
From: gregconley at gmail.com (Greg Conley)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:22:54 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Citation Needed for William Gibson's
 Foreword/Afterword to Mona Lisa Overdrive
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I asked Gibson about it on Twitter, and he said the '92 floppy ebook was
indeed through Voyager. He also linked me to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Company

There's a mention of the Neuromancer edition near the bottom, but no more
information.

Greg Conley

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Jason Ellis <dynamicsubspace at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In two illicit etext versions of William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive,
> there is an essay by Gibson titled either "Author's Foreword" or
> "Author's Afterword" dated 6/16/92 that begins:
>
> "Ten years have now passed since the inception of whatever strange
> process it was that led me to write Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona
> Lisa Overdrive. The technology through which you now access these
> words didn't exist, a decade ago.
>
> Neuromancer was written on a "clockwork typewriter," the very one you
> may recall glimpsing in Julie Deane's office in Chiba City. This
> machine, a Hermes 2000 manual portable, dates from somewhere in the
> 1930's."
>
> I assume this appears in an edition of MLO from 1992 or after.
> Unfortunately, I cannot find a citation for this or any reference to a
> foreword/afterword in the editions available to me in Ohio. I have
> also checked Worldcat and several libraries with science fiction
> collections (Liverpool, Riverside, TAMU, KU) for any reference to
> this. The ISFDB lists a 1992 Bantam trade paperback edition and a 1995
> Voyager/Harper Collins UK trade paperback edition--I wonder if it
> appeared in either of these. If you have a later edition of MLO handy,
> can you check it for this foreword or afterwork and please let me know
> the bibliographic information including page numbers?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> --
> Jason W. Ellis
>
> PhD Candidate, Kent State University
>
> Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association
>
> Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
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> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
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From dkilgore at indiana.edu  Mon Mar 26 12:10:51 2012
From: dkilgore at indiana.edu (De Witt Douglas Kilgore)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:10:51 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
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I agree that the movie was poorly advertised.  I buy that they may have
wanted to underplay the source novels for the reasons stated.  However, it
also they also shied at the "of Mars" connection.  And this seems odd given
that we live in the world of *Avatar* and *Star Wars*, etc.  And it
worked:  I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed
that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars.  Naturally the
attentive would have figured it out during the solar system map sequence.
And the film has underperformed.

It all seems like another wasted opportunity.  Sigh.

De Witt

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly
> advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it.
> They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would
> have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and
> sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even
> 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of
> the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by
> them.
>
> I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a
> person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather
> than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we
> don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated),
> Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think
> politics was a major point here.
>
> Gail Bondi
> damereading1 at yahoo.com
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com>
> *To:* Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu>
> *Cc:* "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
>
> We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not
> read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John
> Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of
> a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film
> makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for
> projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories)
> somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers /
> nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film
> trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example,
> did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of
> Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch.
> I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan
> enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the
> general viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I
> think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an
> embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!  I know
> the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two
> films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in
> the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.
>
> Bruce Rockwood
>
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu>wrote:
>
> On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:
>
> My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and
> we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so
> I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot
> different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached
> the point that the tharks could be *individualized*, even when there were
> a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went
> into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other
> aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were
> good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of
> a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto
> the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional
> Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far
> with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet
> into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I
> thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the
> airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no
> helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been
> better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate
> up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was
> a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a
> resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> --John J. Pierce
>  _______________________________________________
>
>
> Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be
> saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for
> me that got lost.
>  (I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but
> possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with
> several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians
> ?].)
>
> Rich E.
>
>
>
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-- 
De Witt Douglas Kilgore
Associate Professor of English, American Studies and Cultural Studies
Indiana University
812-855-4148

" ... remind people of reality, which is that we are all stuck in a big SF
[science fiction] novel now, and there's no escape; might as well accept it
and dive in."
-- Kim Stanley Robinson
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From dk2244 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 15:23:47 2012
From: dk2244 at yahoo.com (Despina Kakoudaki)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Citation Needed for William Gibson's
	Foreword/Afterword to Mona Lisa Overdrive
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You had me at "I asked Gibson about it on Twitter." Somehow that is more shocking or important than anybody else being on Twitter...Maybe that's because I still remember the time I first read "The sky was the color of television tuned to a dead channel..."

Despina



________________________________
 From: Greg Conley <gregconley at gmail.com>
To: Jason Ellis <dynamicsubspace at gmail.com> 
Cc: sfra-l <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Citation Needed for William Gibson's Foreword/Afterword to Mona Lisa Overdrive
 

I asked Gibson about it on Twitter, and he said the '92 floppy ebook was indeed through Voyager. He also linked me to wikipedia:?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Company?

There's a mention of the Neuromancer edition near the bottom, but no more information.?

Greg Conley


On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Jason Ellis <dynamicsubspace at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
>
>In two illicit etext versions of William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive,
>there is an essay by Gibson titled either "Author's Foreword" or
>"Author's Afterword" dated 6/16/92 that begins:
>
>"Ten years have now passed since the inception of whatever strange
>process it was that led me to write Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona
>Lisa Overdrive. The technology through which you now access these
>words didn't exist, a decade ago.
>
>Neuromancer was written on a "clockwork typewriter," the very one you
>may recall glimpsing in Julie Deane's office in Chiba City. This
>machine, a Hermes 2000 manual portable, dates from somewhere in the
>1930's."
>
>I assume this appears in an edition of MLO from 1992 or after.
>Unfortunately, I cannot find a citation for this or any reference to a
>foreword/afterword in the editions available to me in Ohio. I have
>also checked Worldcat and several libraries with science fiction
>collections (Liverpool, Riverside, TAMU, KU) for any reference to
>this. The ISFDB lists a 1992 Bantam trade paperback edition and a 1995
>Voyager/Harper Collins UK trade paperback edition--I wonder if it
>appeared in either of these. If you have a later edition of MLO handy,
>can you check it for this foreword or afterwork and please let me know
>the bibliographic information including page numbers?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Jason
>
>--
>Jason W. Ellis
>
>PhD Candidate, Kent State University
>
>Vice President, Science Fiction Research Association
>
>Visit my Science Fiction Studies blog at http://dynamicsubspace.net/
>_______________________________________________
>SFRA-L mailing list
>SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>

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From erlichrd at muohio.edu  Mon Mar 26 19:01:19 2012
From: erlichrd at muohio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:01:19 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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On 26/03/2012, at 9:10, De Witt Douglas Kilgore's post included the clause:

> [?] they [of JOHN CARTER] also shied at the "of Mars" connection.

One theory (or guess) I saw on line suggests that Disney had gotten burned on MARS NEEDS MOMS (2011) and recalled the bad success of even the respectable Brian De Palma MISSION TO MARS (2000) ? and decided to downplay the Mars angle. 
	There really is the rule in psychology of "Twice is always," so the theory/guess isn't totally implausible. Anyway, it's a definite fact that there's a rumor that the Martian omission was carefully calculated. 

I used to tell film students interested in making movies that they should view the production of THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH as a case-study in how a decent premise for a medium-size Bruce Willis adventure flick could move into esthetic, critical, and commercial disaster with the stately elegance of a slow-motion train wreck. Given the experience and resources of DisneyCorp, the far superior and more successful JOHN CARTER might make an even more interesting case study, even ignoring theories that Mars movies operate under a curse.

Rich



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From thespike at satx.rr.com  Mon Mar 26 19:13:19 2012
From: thespike at satx.rr.com (Damien Broderick)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:13:19 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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On 3/26/2012 6:01 PM, Richard Erlich wrote:

> One theory (or guess) I saw on line suggests that Disney had gotten
> burned on MARS NEEDS MOMS (2011) and recalled the bad success of even
> the respectable Brian De Palma MISSION TO MARS (2000) ? and decided to
> downplay the Mars angle.
> There really is the rule in psychology of "Twice is always," so the
> theory/guess isn't totally implausible. Anyway, it's a definite fact
> that there's a rumor that the Martian omission was carefully calculated.

Apparently so. What's more--

Malcolm Edwards remarks:

 >This fan trailer seems to me to do the job better than any of Disney's:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzPVYy7LHIo>

and yes indeed. Splendid approach! If only... even now...

Damien Broderick




From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Mon Mar 26 19:43:30 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:43:30 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L]
	=?utf-8?q?John_Carter_=5Bsort_of_=22of_Mars=22=5D_redux?=
Message-ID: <W524918509325991332805410@webmail64>

Good show! Of course, it's a stretch to say that Burroughs created "modern science fiction." What he created waa the planetary romance. But trying to explain that in a movie trailer would be confusing and ineffective.

--J.J.

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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 07:13 PM
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux

On 3/26/2012 6:01 PM, Richard Erlich wrote:> One theory (or guess) I saw on line suggests that Disney had gotten> burned on MARS NEEDS MOMS (2011) and recalled the bad success of even> the respectable Brian De Palma MISSION TO MARS (2000) ? and decided to> downplay the Mars angle.> There really is the rule in psychology of "Twice is always," so the> theory/guess isn't totally implausible. Anyway, it's a definite fact> that there's a rumor that the Martian omission was carefully calculated.Apparently so. What's more--Malcolm Edwards remarks: >This fan trailer seems to me to do the job better than any of Disney's:and yes indeed. Splendid approach! If only... even now...Damien Broderick_______________________________________________SFRA-L mailing listSFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Mon Mar 26 20:58:59 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:58:59 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Quick Addendum,  John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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If I read that suggestion on Mars on this list ? "Never mind" ? and my apologies.

Rich Erlich

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu>
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
> Date: 26 March 2012 16:01:19 PDT
> To: De Witt Douglas Kilgore <dkilgore at indiana.edu>
> Cc: Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com>, Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com>, "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>
> 
> 
> On 26/03/2012, at 9:10, De Witt Douglas Kilgore's post included the clause:
> 
>> [?] they [of JOHN CARTER] also shied at the "of Mars" connection.
> 
> One theory (or guess) I saw on line suggests that Disney had gotten burned on MARS NEEDS MOMS (2011) and recalled the bad success of even the respectable Brian De Palma MISSION TO MARS (2000) ? and decided to downplay the Mars angle. 
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From: attebria at isu.edu (Brian Attebery)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:45:01 -0600
Subject: [SFRA-L] Quick Addendum, John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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I think everybody ought to see "John Carter" if only to defeat the
weird "it's a flop" meme that all the critics are spreading around. I
went to see it with my son. I've read a bunch of Burroughs and he
hasn't ready any, and we both liked it a lot. On the other hand, I did
bring my special 2-D glasses because most 3-D movies give me a
headache and this one was threatening to do so.

On that subject, has everyone seen the special "Transformers in 1-D" video?
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6639573/transformers-in-1-d

I think it fits the subject matter.

Brian

-- 
Brian Attebery
Editor, Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts

From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Mon Mar 26 23:36:01 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:36:01 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Quick Addendum, John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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On 26/03/2012, at 18:45, Brian Attebery wrote:

> I think everybody ought to see "John Carter" if only to defeat the
> weird "it's a flop" meme that all the critics are spreading around. I
> went to see it with my son. I've read a bunch of Burroughs and he
> hasn't ready any, and we both liked it a lot. On the other hand, I did
> bring my special 2-D glasses because most 3-D movies give me a
> headache and this one was threatening to do so.
> 
> On that subject, has everyone seen the special "Transformers in 1-D" video?
> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6639573/transformers-in-1-d
> 
> I think it fits the subject matter.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -- 
> Brian Attebery
> Editor, Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts
> _______________________________________________

Hi, Brian! Hi, Group!

I attach a screen shot of JOHN CARTER earnings according to the Internet Movie Database. 
	Note that 
		(1) Budget estimates can be off wildly.
		(2) I'm ignorant of how the Internet Movie Database figures in promotion costs and indirect earnings (such as product placements ? not relevant here ? and tie-ins and such); if anyone knows, I'd appreciate instruction.
		(3) Among the "creative arts" in motion pictures, accounting can be one of the more creative. 

Short form: IMDb estimates JOHN CARTER cost $250M and reports world-wide grosses of just over $188.5M. That has it down $61.5 as of now, with a strong trend toward decreased earnings. This is nowhere near the supernal flop-i-ness of, say, DisneyCorp's MARS NEEDS MOMS, but it's a weaker showing, so far, than, say, ISHTAR or HUDSON HAWK <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box_office_bombs>. 

I agree with Brian that JOHN CARTER is worth seeing, and (obviously!) I think it's worth discussing. but I'd recommend seeing a 2-D matin?e. I also agree that JOHN CARTER has run into a lot of "flop" talk not yet justified. Still, the major journalistic reviews have been "Mixed or average" and the reports from the civilians "Generally favorable" on Metacritic <http://www.metacritic.com/movie/john-carter>, more negative on the (too-cutsy-by-half) Rotten Tomatoes site <http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john_carter/>. 	

The numbers are coming in, and, within limits, the commercial degree of flop will soon be an empirical question ? and professional critics may move toward a consensus on the film's artistic merits. 

I find JOHN CARTER interesting as adaptation ? from the p-o-v of one who hasn't read/doesn't recall the ERB stories ? and as perhaps a harbinger, along with MARS NEEDS MOMS, that this cycle of 3-D is nearing its end.
	Face-to-face and checking around for bugs, I'd also be interested in discussing how much of the attack on JOHN CARTER stems from some people's dislike for "The Rat" ? Walt Disney Pictures (not that I would ever blaspheme their name).


Rich



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From nomadc22 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 27 04:29:28 2012
From: nomadc22 at hotmail.com (Damon Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:29:28 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Quick Addendum, John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
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Unfortunately, the John Carter movie has come far too late, despite it being the 'original' idea. I wonder how, say, a Sherlock Holmes or a Jules Verne movie would be welcomed today if no other movie adaptation had been made previously - I have no doubt they would be seen as derivative in much the way that the current JCoM movie is.  Audiences are seeing nothing new, as the ideas have already been used in previous movies, which took them from an original which had never been adapted for the screen.  If Bob Clampett's movie had been made, perhaps the current movie would not be receiving such mixed reviews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAlgZlqwnQ
Dr Damon Miller

Faculty of Arts & Faculty of Social Science

The Open University

 
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:45:01 -0600
> From: attebria at isu.edu
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Quick Addendum, John Carter [sort of "of Mars"] redux
> 
> I think everybody ought to see "John Carter" if only to defeat the
> weird "it's a flop" meme that all the critics are spreading around. I
> went to see it with my son. I've read a bunch of Burroughs and he
> hasn't ready any, and we both liked it a lot. On the other hand, I did
> bring my special 2-D glasses because most 3-D movies give me a
> headache and this one was threatening to do so.
> 
> On that subject, has everyone seen the special "Transformers in 1-D" video?
> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6639573/transformers-in-1-d
> 
> I think it fits the subject matter.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -- 
> Brian Attebery
> Editor, Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts
> _______________________________________________
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From A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Mar 27 05:07:26 2012
From: A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk (Sawyer, Andy)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:07:26 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
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>I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars

This reminds me of the people walking out of THE ARTIST because they didn?t know it was a silent film . . .

On another list, several people have pointed out that the ERB ?John Carter? books are virtually unknown among what is assumed to be the target demographic of the film, and that ?of Mars? might have been shed because the last big film with a Martian setting also tanked. Dunno. There seems to be confusion all round. On the same day as it was put to me strongly that apart from under 25s the next biggest film-going audience is couples and that JC ?was exactly the sort of film NOT to be liked by women from the ages of 8 to 80?, three women in their 20s told me that they very much wanted to see it. (OK, they are students of mine, but I don?t give credit for wanting to watch films.)

Meanwhile I still haven?t seen it ? it?s still on locally but I don?t have any time this week :(

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Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

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"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of De Witt Douglas Kilgore
Sent: 26 March 2012 17:11
To: Gail Bondi
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

I agree that the movie was poorly advertised.  I buy that they may have wanted to underplay the source novels for the reasons stated.  However, it also they also shied at the "of Mars" connection.  And this seems odd given that we live in the world of Avatar and Star Wars, etc.  And it worked:  I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars.  Naturally the attentive would have figured it out during the solar system map sequence. And the film has underperformed.

It all seems like another wasted opportunity.  Sigh.

De Witt
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com<mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it. They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by them.

I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated), Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think politics was a major point here.

Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com<mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com>
________________________________
From: Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com<mailto:clan.rockwood at gmail.com>>
To: Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu<mailto:ErlichRD at muohio.edu>>
Cc: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories) somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers / nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example, did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch. I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the general viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!  I know the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.

Bruce Rockwood
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu<mailto:ErlichRD at muohio.edu>> wrote:
On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com<mailto:pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com> wrote:

My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.

Just my two cents.

--John J. Pierce
_______________________________________________

Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for me that got lost.
(I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians ?].)

Rich E.



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From A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Mar 27 05:29:03 2012
From: A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk (Sawyer, Andy)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:29:03 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Job opening?
Message-ID: <800BEAC666283F4F91691600E9558CB818C51CCA@BHEXMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk>

UNIVERSITY OF LIVERPOOL

Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences
School of the Arts
English

2 Lecturers in English Literature

?31,020 - ?35,939 pa

We wish to appoint 2 Lecturers in English Literature, one in nineteenth-century literature, one in twentieth-century literature. You should have a PhD and a strong record of published research of demonstrable excellence and international profile. You will be expected to offer teaching by lecture, seminar and tutorial in a range of areas within and beyond your immediate research specialism, across each level of the curriculum, and will develop new modules as appropriate.

Applications from individuals with teaching abilities in Women's Writing, American Literature, or Science Fiction, whether or not these interests lie within a period-based research specialism, are especially welcome.

Job Ref: A-579238/EG Closing Date: 27 April 2012

For full details, or to request an application pack, visit http://www.liv.ac.uk/working/job_vacancies/ or e-mail jobs at liv.ac.uk Please quote job ref in all enquiries.

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Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

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From damereading1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 09:38:10 2012
From: damereading1 at yahoo.com (Gail Bondi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
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I LOVED IT! I am a woman between 8 and 80 and I thought the film creators did a good job of overriding ERB's sexism while staying true to his intent.
?
Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com


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 From: "Sawyer, Andy" <A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk>
To: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
 

 
>I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars
?
This reminds me of the people walking out of THE ARTIST because they didn?t know it was a silent film . . . 
?
On another list, several people have pointed out that the ERB ?John Carter? books are virtually unknown among what is assumed to be the target demographic of the film, and that ?of Mars? might have been shed because the last big film with a Martian setting also tanked. Dunno. There seems to be confusion all round. On the same day as it was put to me strongly that apart from under 25s the next biggest film-going audience is couples and that JC ?was exactly the sort of film NOT to be liked by women from the ages of 8 to 80?, three women in their 20s told me that they very much wanted to see it. (OK, they are students of mine, but I don?t give credit for wanting to watch films.)
?
Meanwhile I still haven?t seen it ? it?s still on locally but I don?t have any time this week L
?
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Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.
?
Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm
?
?
Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html
?
The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/
?
The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/
?
"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10. 
?
From:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of De Witt Douglas Kilgore
Sent: 26 March 2012 17:11
To: Gail Bondi
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
?
I agree that the movie was poorly advertised.? I buy that they may have wanted to underplay the source novels for the reasons stated.? However, it also they also shied at the "of Mars" connection.? And this seems odd given that we live in the world of Avatar and Star Wars, etc.? And it worked:? I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars.? Naturally the attentive would have figured it out during the solar system map sequence. And the film has underperformed.

It all seems like another wasted opportunity.? Sigh.

De Witt
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it. They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by them.?
?
I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated), Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think politics was a major point here.?
?
Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com

________________________________
 
From:Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com>
To: Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> 
Cc: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
?
We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories) somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers / nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example, did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch. I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the general
 viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!? I know the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.

Bruce Rockwood
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu> wrote:
On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:
?
My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite
 another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
>
>Just my two cents.
>
>--John J. Pierce
>_______________________________________________
?
Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for me that got lost.?
(I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians ?].)
?
Rich E.
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From: Adam.Frisch at briarcliff.edu (Frisch, Adam)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:12:10 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] title of story?
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One of my continuing education students has been desperately trying to find out the author and title of an sf short story he read a number of years ago.  I don't recognize it; do any of you?

Adam.Frisch at Briarcliff.edu

Here is a summary - at least what I can remember - of the story I am trying to find: A man who is the pilot or something of a ship is trapped on board because of a malfunctioning robot or machine of some nature; it might be a medical droid because I remember the man reflecting on the fact that the robot's duty is the preservation of human life in some capacity. The man is trapped because the machine attacks at the sign of any movement. All through the story the man tries to find some way to escape and, at some point, has his ribs broken which puncture his lung. There may have been another person with him that was killed by the machine. At the end of the story the man has the brilliant idea of flashing a light of some kind - maybe a flashlight - on the wall which has the 'brains' of the machine behind it. The robot/machine attacks the flashing light on the wall and smashes through it, thereby destroying its own computer center. The robot/machine is disabled and the man is free to escape-end of story.
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From Adam.Frisch at briarcliff.edu  Tue Mar 27 13:50:47 2012
From: Adam.Frisch at briarcliff.edu (Frisch, Adam)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:50:47 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] title of story?
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Dominick Grace quickly identified this story as Ellison's "Life Hutch."  Thanks, Dom

Adam Frisch

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Frisch, Adam
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:12 PM
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Subject: [SFRA-L] title of story?

One of my continuing education students has been desperately trying to find out the author and title of an sf short story he read a number of years ago.  I don't recognize it; do any of you?

Adam.Frisch at Briarcliff.edu

Here is a summary - at least what I can remember - of the story I am trying to find: A man who is the pilot or something of a ship is trapped on board because of a malfunctioning robot or machine of some nature; it might be a medical droid because I remember the man reflecting on the fact that the robot's duty is the preservation of human life in some capacity. The man is trapped because the machine attacks at the sign of any movement. All through the story the man tries to find some way to escape and, at some point, has his ribs broken which puncture his lung. There may have been another person with him that was killed by the machine. At the end of the story the man has the brilliant idea of flashing a light of some kind - maybe a flashlight - on the wall which has the 'brains' of the machine behind it. The robot/machine attacks the flashing light on the wall and smashes through it, thereby destroying its own computer center. The robot/machine is disabled and the man is free to escape-end of story.
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From gwolfe at roosevelt.edu  Tue Mar 27 14:49:18 2012
From: gwolfe at roosevelt.edu (Gary Wolfe)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:49:18 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] title of story?
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It's Harlan Ellison's "Life Hutch," originally in If in 1956 but reprinted in a few Ellison collections.

Gary
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:12 PM
To: SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [SFRA-L] title of story?

One of my continuing education students has been desperately trying to find out the author and title of an sf short story he read a number of years ago.  I don?t recognize it; do any of you?

Adam.Frisch at Briarcliff.edu

Here is a summary - at least what I can remember - of the story I am trying to find: A man who is the pilot or something of a ship is trapped on board because of a malfunctioning robot or machine of some nature; it might be a medical droid because I remember the man reflecting on the fact that the robot's duty is the preservation of human life in some capacity. The man is trapped because the machine attacks at the sign of any movement. All through the story the man tries to find some way to escape and, at some point, has his ribs broken which puncture his lung. There may have been another person with him that was killed by the machine. At the end of the story the man has the brilliant idea of flashing a light of some kind - maybe a flashlight - on the wall which has the 'brains' of the machine behind it. The robot/machine attacks the flashing light on the wall and smashes through it, thereby destroying its own computer center. The robot/machine is disabled and the man is free to escape?end of story.

From erlichrd at muohio.edu  Wed Mar 28 00:46:04 2012
From: erlichrd at muohio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:46:04 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
Message-ID: <1A40E02C-A7D3-4593-A671-9ABBBAF3F993@muohio.edu>

Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
	The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
		<http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>  

Rich

From n.easterbrook at tcu.edu  Wed Mar 28 08:14:11 2012
From: n.easterbrook at tcu.edu (Easterbrook, Neil)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:14:11 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] yikes!
Message-ID: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F7C5@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>

Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game

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From A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk  Tue Mar 27 09:56:10 2012
From: A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk (Sawyer, Andy)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:56:10 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
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Right, Gail!

I think I?d seen your comments on this list on the date I spoke to my students.

The original comment made me think of a woman I heard on the radio who dismissed Terry Pratchett on the grounds that she ?didn?t know a single woman who read him?. Shortly before I?d found myself almost the only man in the room at a Pratchett convention, and someone in a position to know had told me that his career had really taken off after EQUAL RITES had been serialised on BBC Radio 4?s ?Woman?s Hour? programme.

Just shows . . . . something, I guess.

I really *must* see the JC film myself!

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Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
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THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: Gail Bondi [mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com]
Sent: 27 March 2012 14:38
To: Sawyer, Andy; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

I LOVED IT! I am a woman between 8 and 80 and I thought the film creators did a good job of overriding ERB's sexism while staying true to his intent.

Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com
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From: "Sawyer, Andy" <A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk>
To: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

>I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars

This reminds me of the people walking out of THE ARTIST because they didn?t know it was a silent film . . .

On another list, several people have pointed out that the ERB ?John Carter? books are virtually unknown among what is assumed to be the target demographic of the film, and that ?of Mars? might have been shed because the last big film with a Martian setting also tanked. Dunno. There seems to be confusion all round. On the same day as it was put to me strongly that apart from under 25s the next biggest film-going audience is couples and that JC ?was exactly the sort of film NOT to be liked by women from the ages of 8 to 80?, three women in their 20s told me that they very much wanted to see it. (OK, they are students of mine, but I don?t give credit for wanting to watch films.)

Meanwhile I still haven?t seen it ? it?s still on locally but I don?t have any time this week ?

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Andy Sawyer
Science Fiction Librarian
Special Collections and Archives
University of Liverpool Library
PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.

Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm


Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html

The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/

The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/

"... there is no higher life form than a librarian."
THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p. 10.

From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of De Witt Douglas Kilgore
Sent: 26 March 2012 17:11
To: Gail Bondi
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

I agree that the movie was poorly advertised.  I buy that they may have wanted to underplay the source novels for the reasons stated.  However, it also they also shied at the "of Mars" connection.  And this seems odd given that we live in the world of Avatar and Star Wars, etc.  And it worked:  I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars.  Naturally the attentive would have figured it out during the solar system map sequence. And the film has underperformed.

It all seems like another wasted opportunity.  Sigh.

De Witt
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com<mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it. They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by them.

I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated), Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think politics was a major point here.

Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com<mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com>
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From: Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com<mailto:clan.rockwood at gmail.com>>
To: Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu<mailto:ErlichRD at muohio.edu>>
Cc: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux

We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories) somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers / nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example, did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch. I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the general viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!  I know the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.

Bruce Rockwood
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu<mailto:ErlichRD at muohio.edu>> wrote:
On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com<mailto:pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com> wrote:

My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached the point that the tharks could be individualized, even when there were a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.

Just my two cents.

--John J. Pierce
_______________________________________________

Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for me that got lost.
(I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians ?].)

Rich E.



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From vstark at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 01:39:07 2012
From: vstark at gmail.com (vstark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:39:07 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
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Rich,

I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
political. She did what she did for personal reasons.

Regards,

Valerie

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu> wrote:
> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
> ? ? ? ?The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>
> Rich
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From christy.tidwell at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 09:17:32 2012
From: christy.tidwell at gmail.com (Christy Tidwell)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:17:32 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
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I haven't seen the movie adaptation yet, so I can't really comment on the
comparison between the two, but after reading the description in the link
you provided, the movie actually sounds more explicitly political than the
book. *The Hunger Games* engages with some political issues, but they are
secondary to Katniss's character and what she has to endure. The rest of
the series develops the political elements much more, though. I personally
think that the final book in the series is the best book of the series
precisely because it is much more political than the first book.

Christy

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu>wrote:

> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on
> "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the
> bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's
> ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
>        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics
> and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are
> impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically
> mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least
> one website suggests.
>                <
> http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358
> >
>
> Rich
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From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Wed Mar 28 09:26:53 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:26:53 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <1A40E02C-A7D3-4593-A671-9ABBBAF3F993@muohio.edu>
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Have the novel, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. From the  
descriptions, it sounds anything but mild-mannered -- it's been  
compared to BATTLE ROYALE -- unless "mild-mannered" means it doesn't  
take a militant ideological stance. On the other hand, I've seen some  
carping to the effect that it lets the heroine off easy because she  
isn't REALLY ever forced to do anything unspeakably evil.

--J.J.P.


On Mar 28, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Richard Erlich wrote:

> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress  
> on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW  
> or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of  
> Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its  
> politics?
> 	The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics  
> and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide  
> grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and  
> novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the  
> novels as much as at least one website suggests.
> 		<http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/ 
> why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>
> Rich
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From dgrace2 at uwo.ca  Wed Mar 28 09:43:14 2012
From: dgrace2 at uwo.ca (Dominick Grace)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:43:14 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] yikes!
In-Reply-To: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F7C5@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
References: <E7642732E5FEDA4EAFBB9213012893010106E000F7C5@FSMAILCL2.tcu.edu>
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Pornographic? Ender's Game? I'd love to see the definition of "pornographic" they're using! 
 
Dom 
 
On 03/28/12, "Easterbrook, Neil" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu> wrote:

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> Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
> http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game
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From ccoker at library.tamu.edu  Wed Mar 28 09:57:12 2012
From: ccoker at library.tamu.edu (Catherine Coker)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:57:12 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] yikes!
In-Reply-To: <7660a12212798e.4f72dd32@uwo.ca>
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That story was updated last week:

http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges


On 03/28/12, "Easterbrook, Neil" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu<mailto:n.easterbrook at tcu.edu>> wrote:
Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game

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From kaiser2 at purdue.edu  Wed Mar 28 10:41:34 2012
From: kaiser2 at purdue.edu (Jessica Kaiser)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:41:34 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <CABTnd_2w=BBjKW2HxKwkJ8tOv5RO3pkOf+xsEQcORW2_e115FQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as
primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life,
but she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much
aware of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression.
She isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have
to be about a large-scale movement.

- Jess

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
> political. She did what she did for personal reasons.
>
> Regards,
>
> Valerie
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu>
> wrote:
> > Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on
> "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the
> bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's
> ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
> >        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the
> critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide
> grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are
> politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as
> at least one website suggests.
> >                <
> http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358
> >
> >
> > Rich
> > _______________________________________________
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From KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu  Wed Mar 28 12:02:58 2012
From: KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu (Knickerbocker, Dale)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:02:58 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <CAEi+HF88SQpJH8spYgPXgx_SZpM2hVjwYqm10mFVeRSOshPBNg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CABTnd_2w=BBjKW2HxKwkJ8tOv5RO3pkOf+xsEQcORW2_e115FQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <B00FEF0FA5AE8644971CC4D648AB94981B1512@Mail3.intra.ecu.edu>

I agree-or disagree-with both. The fact that Katniss is not "political" does not mean the novel is not. And the novel may be considered political in a vague, anti-totalitarian way. Or, it may be read as a conservative, pro-states rights, anti-centralized government (Capitol=D.C.), or even libertarian allegory...I think an argument could be made for any of those.



Dale Knickerbocker
Professor of Hispanic Studies
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
knickerbockerd at ecu.edu<mailto:knickerbockerd at ecu.edu>
Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.


________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Jessica Kaiser [kaiser2 at purdue.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 AM
To: vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)

I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life, but she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much aware of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression. She isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to be about a large-scale movement.

- Jess

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com<mailto:vstark at gmail.com>> wrote:
Rich,

I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
political. She did what she did for personal reasons.

Regards,

Valerie

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu<mailto:erlichrd at muohio.edu>> wrote:
> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
>        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
>                <http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>
> Rich
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From clan.rockwood at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 08:09:50 2012
From: clan.rockwood at gmail.com (Sue & Bruce Rockwood)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:09:50 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Apollo Moon Engines Found
Message-ID: <CAKh09Ncy2X_C8-kemZT+=tbNXAGvwbC14NTxdbDfd-tmBX0ibA@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this just now:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17544565
An excerpt: "In a blog post, Mr Bezos said the five engines were found
using advanced sonar scanning some 14,000ft (4,300m) below the Atlantic
Ocean's surface.

Mr Bezos, a billionaire bookseller and spaceflight enthusiast, said he was
making plans to raise one or more.

Apollo 11 carried astronauts on the first Moon landing mission in 1969.

The F-1 engines were used on the giant Saturn V
rocket<http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/apollo/saturnv.htm>that
carried the Apollo landing module out of the Earth's atmosphere and
towards the Moon."

If they can be recovered, perhaps we can get their design back into
production. I find it amazing we just walked away from Space and are now
reliant on Russia to get to the space station.
Bruce Rockwood
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From bbarclay at aurora.edu  Wed Mar 28 10:04:02 2012
From: bbarclay at aurora.edu (Bridgitte Barclay)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:04:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <CAJgP3qu9EX3e=6RdeWO5NFtxaphPemevQaU1mAU5jTjssu0EAw@mail.gmail.com>
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Agreed that the last book is the best because of its political critique, but the film seemed a social/cultural critique, not a political one. The haves/have nots were emphasized , but I saw less poltical core to that in the film than in the first book. In fact, there were some side plots that play out more in the final book (the origin of the mockingjay pin, for example) that leave me assumming later films will be less political than the books, as well. 

Bridgitte 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Christy Tidwell" <christy.tidwell at gmail.com> 
To: "Richard Erlich" <erlichrd at muohio.edu> 
Cc: iafa-l at sigcis.org, "SFRA list" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:17:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler) 

I haven't seen the movie adaptation yet, so I can't really comment on the comparison between the two, but after reading the description in the link you provided, the movie actually sounds more explicitly political than the book. The Hunger Games engages with some political issues, but they are secondary to Katniss's character and what she has to endure. The rest of the series develops the political elements much more, though. I personally think that the final book in the series is the best book of the series precisely because it is much more political than the first book. 

Christy 


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Richard Erlich < erlichrd at muohio.edu > wrote: 


Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics? 
? ? ? ?The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests. 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?< http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358 > 

Rich 
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From vstark at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 13:38:09 2012
From: vstark at gmail.com (vstark at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:38:09 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <CAEi+HF88SQpJH8spYgPXgx_SZpM2hVjwYqm10mFVeRSOshPBNg@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually, her number one goal was saving her sister. After achieving
that, she began trying to save others, including herself.  Things do
become more political after the first book, as I recall.

There are always children who take on parenting chores due to
absent/dead/ineffective parents.  In the book, Katniss is parenting
her family to a large degree.  It's a small step, in her viewpoint,
from breaking the law by poaching to keep her family alive to saying
"Let her go.  Take me.".  She then continues her pattern by trying to
protect others by risking herself.  This continues through the
trilogy.

I'm in no hurry to see the movie. Most of this story is about what
happens to Katniss' psyche.  I can't imagine how they'll tell more
than the surface story in film.  Shades of "Enemy Mine" by Barry B
Longyear.  That was another complex story Hollywood turned into an
action film.

Regards,

Valerie

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Jessica Kaiser <kaiser2 at purdue.edu> wrote:
> I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as
> primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life, but
> she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much aware
> of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression. She
> isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to
> be about a large-scale movement.
>
> - Jess
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
>> political. She did what she did for personal reasons.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on
>> > "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the
>> > bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's
>> > ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
>> > ? ? ? ?The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the
>> > critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses
>> > are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are
>> > politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as
>> > at least one website suggests.
>> >
>> > ?<http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>> >
>> > Rich
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > IAFA-L mailing list
>> > IAFA-L at sigcis.org
>> > http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/iafa-l
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
>
>

From c-benefiel at library.tamu.edu  Wed Mar 28 13:39:54 2012
From: c-benefiel at library.tamu.edu (Candace Benefiel)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:39:54 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <B00FEF0FA5AE8644971CC4D648AB94981B1512@Mail3.intra.ecu.edu>
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	<CABTnd_2w=BBjKW2HxKwkJ8tOv5RO3pkOf+xsEQcORW2_e115FQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEi+HF88SQpJH8spYgPXgx_SZpM2hVjwYqm10mFVeRSOshPBNg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B00FEF0FA5AE8644971CC4D648AB94981B1512@Mail3.intra.ecu.edu>
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Having just completed a re-read of the first book, it seems to me that the novel is at least partially about Katniss' becoming not just politically aware (I think she was always aware of the political nature of the oppression), but becoming politically active.  While before the arena, she responds to Peeta's desire not to be owned by the Capitol with "I can't afford to think like that," with only self-preservation in mind, at the end, she is willing to make a possibly suicidal gesture.  It is very believable that she does not turn from concentrating on survival alone, to leading a full-scale rebellion instantly, but over the course of time she becomes more and more aware of the impact she can make, given her high visibility in Panem.



Candace R. Benefiel
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Subject Specialist for English and Classics
Reference Department
Texas A&M University
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:02 AM
To: Jessica Kaiser; vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)


I agree-or disagree-with both. The fact that Katniss is not "political" does not mean the novel is not. And the novel may be considered political in a vague, anti-totalitarian way. Or, it may be read as a conservative, pro-states rights, anti-centralized government (Capitol=D.C.), or even libertarian allegory...I think an argument could be made for any of those.



Dale Knickerbocker
Professor of Hispanic Studies
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
knickerbockerd at ecu.edu<mailto:knickerbockerd at ecu.edu>
Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.


________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Jessica Kaiser [kaiser2 at purdue.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 AM
To: vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)

I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life, but she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much aware of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression. She isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to be about a large-scale movement.

- Jess

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com<mailto:vstark at gmail.com>> wrote:
Rich,

I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
political. She did what she did for personal reasons.

Regards,

Valerie

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu<mailto:erlichrd at muohio.edu>> wrote:
> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
>        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
>                <http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>
> Rich
> _______________________________________________
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From mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu  Wed Mar 28 15:29:05 2012
From: mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu (Kevin Mulcahy)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
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I would say that the novel is definitely political. Depicting a repressive and manipulative government which uses a blend of bread & circuses and overwhelming military repression certainly foregrounds political issues. Of course one can argue what is the political perspective (as Dale suggested), and where does the novel fall on a spectrum running from naive to sophisticated in its depiction of politics. 

Kevin 

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From: "Dale Knickerbocker" <KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu> 
To: "Jessica Kaiser" <kaiser2 at purdue.edu>, vstark at gmail.com, sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:02:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler) 



I agree-or disagree-with both. The fact that Katniss is not "political" does not mean the novel is not. And the novel may be considered political in a vague, anti-totalitarian way. Or, it may be read as a conservative, pro-states rights, anti-centralized government (Capitol=D.C.), or even libertarian allegory...I think an argument could be made for any of those. 


Dale Knickerbocker 
Professor of Hispanic Studies 
Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures 
East Carolina University 
Greenville, NC 27858 
Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233 
knickerbockerd at ecu.edu 
Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio. 




From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Jessica Kaiser [kaiser2 at purdue.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 AM 
To: vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu 
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler) 



I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life, but she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much aware of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression. She isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to be about a large-scale movement. 


- Jess 


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, < vstark at gmail.com > wrote: 


Rich, 

I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never 
political. She did what she did for personal reasons. 

Regards, 

Valerie 


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich < erlichrd at muohio.edu > wrote: 
> Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics? 
> The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests. 
> < http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358 > 
> 
> Rich 
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Thu Mar 29 12:30:42 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:30:42 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
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	<CABTnd_2w=BBjKW2HxKwkJ8tOv5RO3pkOf+xsEQcORW2_e115FQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEi+HF88SQpJH8spYgPXgx_SZpM2hVjwYqm10mFVeRSOshPBNg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Thank you (all)!

I look forward to sequels in a HUNGER GAMES trilogy (or maybe dyad [?] if the suits finally figure out that if it's not necessarily "Less is more" at least "Less can be better"). 

On balance, I think the developers of the film made a good decision if they intend to follow what sounds like the books' "arc" and start with fairly mild politics and move on to more challenging matters: highly plausible for character development, good for preparing the audience, fair bet for what might happen with audience attitudes as the series develops. 
	(The Great Wheel Turns, and an attack on "[the] Capitol" might help a film coming out ca. 2015. Alternatively, if things go in other directions, the film-makers might be sent to the re-education camps in Nebraska, and a number of esthetic issues become moot.)

Thanks again,
Rich

On 28/03/2012, at 10:39, Candace Benefiel wrote:

> Having just completed a re-read of the first book, it seems to me that the novel is at least partially about Katniss' becoming not just politically aware (I think she was always aware of the political nature of the oppression), but becoming politically active.  While before the arena, she responds to Peeta's desire not to be owned by the Capitol with "I can't afford to think like that," with only self-preservation in mind, at the end, she is willing to make a possibly suicidal gesture.  It is very believable that she does not turn from concentrating on survival alone, to leading a full-scale rebellion instantly, but over the course of time she becomes more and more aware of the impact she can make, given her high visibility in Panem.
>  
> Candace R. Benefiel
> Associate Professor 
> Subject Specialist for English and Classics
> Reference Department
> Texas A&M University
> c-benefiel at tamu.edu 
> 
> Sterling C. Evans Library | 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000
> 
> 
> Tel. 979.862.1044 | Fax. 979.458.0112
> 
> http://library.tamu.edu 
> 
> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Knickerbocker, Dale [KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:02 AM
> To: Jessica Kaiser; vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
> 
> I agree-or disagree-with both. The fact that Katniss is not "political" does not mean the novel is not. And the novel may be considered political in a vague, anti-totalitarian way. Or, it may be read as a conservative, pro-states rights, anti-centralized government (Capitol=D.C.), or even libertarian allegory...I think an argument could be made for any of those.
>  
> Dale Knickerbocker
> Professor of Hispanic Studies
> Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
> East Carolina University
> Greenville, NC 27858
> Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
> knickerbockerd at ecu.edu
> Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.
>  
>  
> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Jessica Kaiser [kaiser2 at purdue.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 AM
> To: vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
> 
> I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins as primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her own life, but she does have some political considerations and is certainly very much aware of the ways that the political situation in Panem creates oppression. She isn't trying to create a revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to be about a large-scale movement.
> 
> - Jess
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rich,
> 
> I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
> political. She did what she did for personal reasons.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Valerie
> 
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich <erlichrd at muohio.edu> wrote:
> > Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of mild in its politics?
> >        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
> >                <http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
> >
> > Rich
> > _______________________________________________
> > 

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From pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl  Thu Mar 29 14:45:18 2012
From: pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl (Pawel Frelik)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
Message-ID: <74160859.20120329114518@umcs.edu.pl>

Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel




From pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com  Thu Mar 29 14:43:47 2012
From: pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com (John Pierce)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:43:47 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <3AF8AC99-551F-4849-A255-B06B2F4F5E08@MUOhio.edu>
References: <1A40E02C-A7D3-4593-A671-9ABBBAF3F993@muohio.edu>
	<CABTnd_2w=BBjKW2HxKwkJ8tOv5RO3pkOf+xsEQcORW2_e115FQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEi+HF88SQpJH8spYgPXgx_SZpM2hVjwYqm10mFVeRSOshPBNg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B00FEF0FA5AE8644971CC4D648AB94981B1512@Mail3.intra.ecu.edu>
	<1BD3CCFAF536114D83F4E80EBCB5EE7C1B8B9898@EXCH-MAILBOX3.library.tamu.edu>
	<3AF8AC99-551F-4849-A255-B06B2F4F5E08@MUOhio.edu>
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Came across this in a blog by another YA writer:

http://bethrevis.blogspot.com/2010/05/butbutits-depressing.html

--J.J.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Richard Erlich wrote:

> Thank you (all)!
>
> I look forward to sequels in a HUNGER GAMES trilogy (or maybe dyad  
> [?] if the suits finally figure out that if it's not necessarily  
> "Less is more" at least "Less can be better").
>
> On balance, I think the developers of the film made a good decision  
> if they intend to follow what sounds like the books' "arc" and  
> start with fairly mild politics and move on to more challenging  
> matters: highly plausible for character development, good for  
> preparing the audience, fair bet for what might happen with  
> audience attitudes as the series develops.
> 	(The Great Wheel Turns, and an attack on "[the] Capitol" might  
> help a film coming out ca. 2015. Alternatively, if things go in  
> other directions, the film-makers might be sent to the re-education  
> camps in Nebraska, and a number of esthetic issues become moot.)
>
> Thanks again,
> Rich
>
> On 28/03/2012, at 10:39, Candace Benefiel wrote:
>
>> Having just completed a re-read of the first book, it seems to me  
>> that the novel is at least partially about Katniss' becoming not  
>> just politically aware (I think she was always aware of the  
>> political nature of the oppression), but becoming politically  
>> active.  While before the arena, she responds to Peeta's desire  
>> not to be owned by the Capitol with "I can't afford to think like  
>> that," with only self-preservation in mind, at the end, she is  
>> willing to make a possibly suicidal gesture.  It is very  
>> believable that she does not turn from concentrating on survival  
>> alone, to leading a full-scale rebellion instantly, but over the  
>> course of time she becomes more and more aware of the impact she  
>> can make, given her high visibility in Panem.
>>
>> Candace R. Benefiel
>> Associate Professor
>> Subject Specialist for English and Classics
>> Reference Department
>> Texas A&M University
>> c-benefiel at tamu.edu
>>
>> Sterling C. Evans Library | 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX  
>> 77843-5000
>>
>>
>> Tel. 979.862.1044 | Fax. 979.458.0112
>>
>> http://library.tamu.edu
>>
>> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l- 
>> bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Knickerbocker, Dale  
>> [KNICKERBOCKERD at ecu.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:02 AM
>> To: Jessica Kaiser; vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
>> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible  
>> spoiler)
>>
>> I agree-or disagree-with both. The fact that Katniss is not  
>> "political" does not mean the novel is not. And the novel may be  
>> considered political in a vague, anti-totalitarian way. Or, it may  
>> be read as a conservative, pro-states rights, anti-centralized  
>> government (Capitol=D.C.), or even libertarian allegory...I think  
>> an argument could be made for any of those.
>>
>> Dale Knickerbocker
>> Professor of Hispanic Studies
>> Department of Foreign Languages & Literatures
>> East Carolina University
>> Greenville, NC 27858
>> Tel (252) 328-6521; Fax (252) 3286233
>> knickerbockerd at ecu.edu
>> Cierra los ojos. Todo lo que ves, es mio.
>>
>>
>> From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l- 
>> bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Jessica Kaiser  
>> [kaiser2 at purdue.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 AM
>> To: vstark at gmail.com; sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu
>> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] Query on HUNGER GAMES (possible  
>> spoiler)
>>
>> I don't think I'd agree with Valerie's assessment--Katniss begins  
>> as primarily non-political, and her number-one goal is saving her  
>> own life, but she does have some political considerations and is  
>> certainly very much aware of the ways that the political situation  
>> in Panem creates oppression. She isn't trying to create a  
>> revolution, but resistance doesn't always have to be about a large- 
>> scale movement.
>>
>> - Jess
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, <vstark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rich,
>>
>> I read this some years ago, but, as I recall, Katniss was never
>> political. She did what she did for personal reasons.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Erlich  
>> <erlichrd at muohio.edu> wrote:
>> > Upshot of THE HUNGER GAMES seemed to lack the bittersweet  
>> (stress on "bitter") irony of the climax and conclusion of THE  
>> TRUMAN SHOW or the bitter hopefulness of the absurdist gesture at  
>> the end of Jewison's ROLLERBALL. Query: Was the novel also sort of  
>> mild in its politics?
>> >        The movie is good and has been pretty well received by  
>> the critics and very well received by audiences (the reported  
>> world-wide grosses are impressive). So it may say something if  
>> both film and novel are politically mild-mannered ? or if the film  
>> toned down the novels as much as at least one website suggests.
>> >                <http://www.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/ 
>> why_did_hunger_games_movie_change_much/304358>
>> >
>> > Rich
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>
> ________________________________________
> Richard D. Erlich, Film Script Analyst
> Port Hueneme, CA 93041-3447
> 	IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3887370/
> 	Blog: http://open.salon.com/blog/richard_erlich
> 	Wiki: http://www.clockworks2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
> 	Le Guin book: http://www.sfra.org/Coyote/CoyoteHome.htm
>
>
>
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From mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu  Thu Mar 29 14:57:26 2012
From: mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu (Kevin Mulcahy)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:57:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
In-Reply-To: <74160859.20120329114518@umcs.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <9827582a-8d2f-4f49-b8dd-4069abc00998@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>

Idiocracy (by Mike Judge, 2006) uses a hibernation device to get its character into the future for satiric purposes.  He's been picked by the army for a secret experiment because he is painfully average, but in the future, he is by far the brightest person around (crops are failing because they are watered with gatorade, for example).  A pretty funny--and frightening movie--but not a big success at the box office.

Kevin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pawel Frelik" <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?

Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel



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From dedalus.jmmr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 15:03:30 2012
From: dedalus.jmmr at gmail.com (Jorge Martins Rosa)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:03:30 +0100
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
In-Reply-To: <9827582a-8d2f-4f49-b8dd-4069abc00998@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>
References: <74160859.20120329114518@umcs.edu.pl>
	<9827582a-8d2f-4f49-b8dd-4069abc00998@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>
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... loosely based on ?The Marching Morons?, by C. M. Kornbluth (which
I don't recall having any hibernation device).

Jorge Martins Rosa



On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Kevin Mulcahy
<mulcahy at rulmail.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> Idiocracy (by Mike Judge, 2006) uses a hibernation device to get its character into the future for satiric purposes. ?He's been picked by the army for a secret experiment because he is painfully average, but in the future, he is by far the brightest person around (crops are failing because they are watered with gatorade, for example). ?A pretty funny--and frightening movie--but not a big success at the box office.
>
> Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pawel Frelik" <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
> Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
>
> Dear Hive Mind,
>
> so ?here's ?a ?query ?- can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any ?country ?or ?year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
>
> Some ?obvious ?examples ?include ?the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
>
> Will you help?
>
> Pawel
>
>
>
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From ccoker at library.tamu.edu  Thu Mar 29 15:03:38 2012
From: ccoker at library.tamu.edu (Catherine Coker)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:03:38 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
In-Reply-To: <9827582a-8d2f-4f49-b8dd-4069abc00998@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>
References: <74160859.20120329114518@umcs.edu.pl>
	<9827582a-8d2f-4f49-b8dd-4069abc00998@zimmbox11.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <F19EB2D66A0EEF4BA35DEB98E6B0BBD21B86516E@EXCH-MAILBOX3.library.tamu.edu>

The pod that holds River in the pilot for "Firefly"; the cells on the Botany Bay in Star Trek TOS "Space Seed" and also the units for the people from 20th/21st c, in Star Trek: The Next Generation "The Neutral Zone." Another hibernation pod is briefly scene in the TNG episode "The Perfect Mate."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pawel Frelik" <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?

Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon, Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel



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From dgrace2 at uwo.ca  Thu Mar 29 15:52:45 2012
From: dgrace2 at uwo.ca (Dominick Grace)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:52:45 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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Stargate: Universe 
The Matrix, I suppose 
Planet of the Apes movie  
The Star Trek: TOS episode with Khan 
would the Borg body pods in ST:TNG count? 
Demolition Man (? I think) 
 
 
If I think of any more, I'll send them later. 
 
Dom 
 
On 03/29/12, Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl> wrote:

> 
> Dear Hive Mind,
> 
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
> 
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
> 
> Will you help?
> 
> Pawel
> 
> 
> 
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From gregconley at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 15:58:53 2012
From: gregconley at gmail.com (Greg Conley)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:58:53 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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I know you didn't ask, but if you're interested anyway, hibernation pods
feature in both of Valve's *Portal* games. The first is straightforward,
the player is woken from one for a series of tests. In the second they have
malfunctioned because of the passage of time after most everything was
wiped out (c.f. the *Half-Life* games), and the player "most likely
suffered a little major brain damage."

Greg Conley



>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pawel Frelik" <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
> Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
>
> Dear Hive Mind,
>
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any kind
> is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
>
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
>
> Will you help?
>
> Pawel
>
>
>
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From jgunn at ku.edu  Thu Mar 29 16:04:41 2012
From: jgunn at ku.edu (Gunn, James E)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:04:41 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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Does the Woody Allen film "Sleeper" qualify?  And then there's "Just Imagine."  Jim
________________________________________
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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:58 PM
To: pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl
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I know you didn't ask, but if you're interested anyway, hibernation pods feature in both of Valve's Portal games. The first is straightforward, the player is woken from one for a series of tests. In the second they have malfunctioned because of the passage of time after most everything was wiped out (c.f. the Half-Life games), and the player "most likely suffered a little major brain damage."

Greg Conley


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To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?

Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon, Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel



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From sallen at parrett.net  Thu Mar 29 16:18:19 2012
From: sallen at parrett.net (Stephen Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:18:19 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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There's always <i>2001: A Space Odyssey</i>, and I seem to recall that 
hibernation was used as well in <>2010</i>, although, I haven't seen the 
latter in a while and can't remember exactly.

-Stephen


On 3/29/2012 2:45 PM, Pawel Frelik wrote:
> Dear Hive Mind,
>
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
>
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
>
> Will you help?
>
> Pawel
>

From damereading1 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 16:27:47 2012
From: damereading1 at yahoo.com (Gail Bondi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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My first exposure to these things was Lost in Space. You actually see the Robinsons go into the pods and one of the earliest episodes is based on the fact that the mother almost dies coming out of the suspension pod so they don't dare use that method again.?
?
Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com


________________________________
 From: Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
 
Dear Hive Mind,

so? here's? a? query? - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any? country? or? year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some? obvious? examples? include? the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel



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From erlichrd at muohio.edu  Thu Mar 29 16:56:47 2012
From: erlichrd at muohio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:56:47 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] [IAFA-L] HUNGER GAMES reception (and use)
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On 29/03/2012, at 11:43, John Pierce wrote:

> Came across this in a blog by another YA writer:
> 
> http://bethrevis.blogspot.com/2010/05/butbutits-depressing.html
> 
> --J.J.
> 


And there is this interpretation:

	<http://tinyurl.com/72kftfz>

Opinion | ?The Hunger Games? novel, movie inspires vigilance for freedom
By Olivia Brough
broughol at muohio.edu
Published: Monday, March 26, 2012
Updated: Monday, March 26, 2012 21:03

> * * *

> The government is using the Commerce Clause to mandate Obamacare, but the Commerce Clause was meant to give Congress the authority to prevent states from erecting trade barriers on each other and, as James Madison wrote, it was never intended ?to be used for the positive purposes of the general government.?

> Not only are our economic and political liberties at stake, but so is the safeguard of those liberties ? the Constitution. I do not believe the Commerce Clause supports Obamacare, and if the Supreme Court approves of Obamacare, then the government can act without limits through the fa?ade of the Commerce Clause.

> This makes the Constitution meaningless as a tool to limit government and protect our liberties. It subjects us to a future where we would be defenseless to the dictates of an all-powerful central government, which could compel and coerce us to do anything.

> Freedom or the pursuit of happiness does not come from the government. Any claim that you need government to make you free and happy is an illusion. A totalitarian government, like the one found in The Hunger Games, may seem impossible and ridiculous, but that?s not an excuse to lose vigilance. [?]
> 
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From thespike at satx.rr.com  Thu Mar 29 17:21:56 2012
From: thespike at satx.rr.com (Damien Broderick)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:21:56 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] MISSION OF GRAVITY
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My confession: I've never managed to get to the end of MISSION OF 
GRAVITY, or maybe I once got to the end by jaunting but was unable to 
march through the longueurs (as they seemed to me).  But I read enough 
to develop a suspicion that all those huffy critics who fault Stubbs for 
writing aliens as being just like us (for Rotarian values of "us") but 
with chitinous carapaces or tentacles might have missed his point. I 
have no basis for conjecturing that I know what his point was, but 
here's a guess: it's the Enlightenment proposition that we're all the 
same under the skin, once we've trained our minds to respond to reality 
rather than to local superstitions and bigotries.

The same "liberal" proposition is also rife in, say, most of Poul 
Anderson's work (except when he chooses to make quite the contrary 
point). So it isn't lazy, complacent or even dull-reader-pleasing 
ethnocentrism, it's a claim that science and more importantly 
engineering eventually must draw us all into a kind of universal 
consilience. Just as Japanese and British and Chinese and Muslim and 
Catholic and Jewish and Hindu engineers share a common practical *and* 
theoretical frame for their efforts in understanding and manipulating 
the world of praxis, so will most of the aliens we'll meet. This might 
be wrong, or even silly, but it's not necessarily carelessness or trite 
formula.

I await falsification of this hypothesis. :)

Damien Broderick


From c-benefiel at library.tamu.edu  Thu Mar 29 15:07:21 2012
From: c-benefiel at library.tamu.edu (Candace Benefiel)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:07:21 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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2001: A Space Odyssey?  

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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:04 PM
To: Pawel Frelik
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?

The pod that holds River in the pilot for "Firefly"; the cells on the Botany Bay in Star Trek TOS "Space Seed" and also the units for the people from 20th/21st c, in Star Trek: The Next Generation "The Neutral Zone." Another hibernation pod is briefly scene in the TNG episode "The Perfect Mate."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pawel Frelik" <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?

Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon, Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel



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From cleslie at poly.edu  Thu Mar 29 16:37:01 2012
From: cleslie at poly.edu (Christopher Leslie)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:37:01 -0400
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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Han Solo suffers from hibernation sickness after he's released from the carbonite. 

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Pawel Frelik wrote:

> Dear Hive Mind,
> 
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
> 
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
> 
> Will you help?
> 
> Pawel
> 
> 
> 
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From bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 17:38:43 2012
From: bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Nichols)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:38:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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This may have been mentioned already, but cryogenic hibernation is exactly how Fry ends up in New New York in the first episode of FUTURAMA. Surely the best use of the technology yet seen!

There's also an episode of the TV series of LOGAN'S RUN called "Crypt", from an original story by Harlan Ellison,? in which (if I recall correctly) some people have been in suspended animation. I can't recall whether we "glimpse the device", however. 


- Phil

Phil Nichols
www.bradburymedia.co.uk
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Dear Hive Mind,

so? here's? a? query? - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any? country? or? year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some? obvious? examples? include? the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel
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From damereading1 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 23:32:20 2012
From: damereading1 at yahoo.com (Gail Bondi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] yikes!
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It has actually been on the summer reading list in Jacksonville, FL and Orson Scott Card has been invited to speak at a couple of the schools.
?
Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com


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 From: Catherine Coker <ccoker at library.tamu.edu>
To: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] yikes!
 

 
That story was updated last week:
?
http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges
?
?
On 03/28/12, "Easterbrook, Neil" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu> wrote: 
Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game
?
--N 
?
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From ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu  Fri Mar 30 01:11:41 2012
From: ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu (Richard Erlich)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:11:41 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] yikes! / Link Title on ENDER'S GAME follow-up
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http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges

Dropping the quotation marks on "'pornographic'" does make a difference ? (more than, say, omitting apostrophes).



On 29/03/2012, at 20:32, Gail Bondi wrote:

> It has actually been on the summer reading list in Jacksonville, FL and Orson Scott Card has been invited to speak at a couple of the schools.
>  
> Gail Bondi
> damereading1 at yahoo.com
> From: Catherine Coker <ccoker at library.tamu.edu>
> To: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] yikes!
> 
> That story was updated last week:
>  
> http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges
>  
>  
> On 03/28/12, "Easterbrook, Neil" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu> wrote:
> Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
> http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game
>  
> --N

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From dillong at pdx.edu  Fri Mar 30 03:12:00 2012
From: dillong at pdx.edu (Grace Dillon)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:12:00 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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Oh, and would Moon (2009) by director Duncan Jones count as well?  Part of
the deceit is the "hibernation pad" for the journey home after 3 years of
service for the company which tends instead to incinerate the employee.

It was nice to meet you in person, Pawel, at ICFA!
Bimotiiziiwin,
Grace

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Phil Nichols <bradburymedia at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> This may have been mentioned already, but cryogenic hibernation is exactly
> how Fry ends up in New New York in the first episode of FUTURAMA. Surely
> the best use of the technology yet seen!
>
> There's also an episode of the TV series of LOGAN'S RUN called "Crypt",
> from an original story by Harlan Ellison,  in which (if I recall correctly)
> some people have been in suspended animation. I can't recall whether we
> "glimpse the device", however.
>
> - Phil
>
> Phil Nichols
> www.bradburymedia.co.uk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0700
> From: Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Dear Hive Mind,
>
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
>
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
>
> Will you help?
>
> Pawel
>
>
>
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>


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Editor, Walking the Clouds: An Anthology of Indigenous Science Fiction.
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/Books/bid2331.htm

Associate Professor & Coordinator, Popular Culture
Indigenous Nations Studies
Affiliated Faculty, English
Portland State University
POB 751
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From nomadc22 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 30 08:17:28 2012
From: nomadc22 at hotmail.com (Damon Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:17:28 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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Does the 1980s series of Buck Rogers count (his hibernation was in the beginning of each episode)?Stargate: Atlantis had stasis pods in the city, and Stargate: Universe ended with the crew going into stasis pods.A bit off kilter - the Underworld vampire movie franchise has 2 of their elders inhibernation pods at any one time as part of their story arc.Not human, but the Slime People (1963) had beast-men woken from hibernation beneath the earth.Various stories in Dr Who have used hibernation, as did The Twilight Zone. There's someone making a short film entitled Hibernation at the moment - http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311035 . There's a link to the vimeo trailer on that thread. Damon

Dr Damon Miller

Faculty of Arts & Faculty of Social Science

The Open University

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0700
From: Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>

Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any  country  or  year) that
 feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,

Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel


    
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Editor, Walking the Clouds: An Anthology of Indigenous Science Fiction.
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/Books/bid2331.htm



Associate Professor & Coordinator, Popular Culture

Indigenous Nations Studies

Affiliated Faculty, English

Portland State University

POB 751

Portland, OR 97207-0751

Phone: 503-725-8144

FAX: 503-725-3561

http://www.web.pdx.edu/~dillong/



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From GHMyst at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 09:12:44 2012
From: GHMyst at aol.com (GHMyst at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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Has anyone mentioned the ALIENS movies with Sigourney Weaver?  I  seem to 
recall that hibernation was a feature of at least the first two  movies.
 
    Ed Wysocki
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From gregconley at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 09:19:45 2012
From: gregconley at gmail.com (Greg Conley)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:19:45 -0500
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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Oh yeah. The second ever Tom Baker Doctor Who serial, "The Ark in Space," is all about a hibernation space station -- meant to preserve the human race from a disaster -- malfunctioning. 

And that reminds me -- what was the name of the that Scifi Channel show (back in the 90s, when that was the network's name) where a bunch of teens and a DNA seed bank were all that was left of Earth, drifting through space looking for a new home while being very angsty? I'm sure that show opened on the hibernation chamber. 

Oh, and of course Lexx shows one nearly every episode, because the crew has to keep waking the assassin, but he only has so much time to live outside it. 

And there was a new Who Christmas special where that was what the plot centered on. It was titled "A Christmas Carol."

Well then. Ever have one of those moments where you realize exactly what you spent your childhood doing, and where you are now makes perfect sense? Lexx, really?

Greg Conley 

On Mar 30, 2012sr, at 7:17 AM, Damon Miller <nomadc22 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Does the 1980s series of Buck Rogers count (his hibernation was in the beginning of each episode)?
> Stargate: Atlantis had stasis pods in the city, and Stargate: Universe ended with the crew going into stasis pods.
> A bit off kilter - the Underworld vampire movie franchise has 2 of their elders inhibernation pods at any one time as part of their story arc.
> Not human, but the Slime People (1963) had beast-men woken from hibernation beneath the earth.
> Various stories in Dr Who have used hibernation, as did The Twilight Zone.
>  
> There's someone making a short film entitled Hibernation at the moment - http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311035 . There's a link to the vimeo trailer on that thread.
>  
> Damon
> 
> 
> Dr Damon Miller
> Faculty of Arts & Faculty of Social Science
> The Open University
> 
>  
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0700
> From: Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
> To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
> Message-ID: <74160859.20120329114518 at umcs.edu.pl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Dear Hive Mind,
> 
> so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
> (any  country  or  year) that feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
> device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
> kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.
> 
> Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,
> Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.
> 
> Will you help?
> 
> Pawel
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SFRA-L mailing list
> SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Grace L. Dillon, PhD
> Editor, Walking the Clouds: An Anthology of Indigenous Science Fiction.
> http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/Books/bid2331.htm
> 
> Associate Professor & Coordinator, Popular Culture
> Indigenous Nations Studies
> Affiliated Faculty, English
> Portland State University
> POB 751
> Portland, OR 97207-0751
> Phone: 503-725-8144
> FAX: 503-725-3561
> http://www.web.pdx.edu/~dillong/
> 
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From nomadc22 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 30 10:08:07 2012
From: nomadc22 at hotmail.com (Damon Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:08:07 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
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"And that reminds me -- what was the name of the that Scifi Channel show (back in the 90s, when that was the network's name) where a bunch of teens and a DNA seed bank were all that was left of Earth, drifting through space looking for a new home while being very angsty? I'm sure that show opened on the hibernation chamber. " Mission Genesis?

 CC: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
From: gregconley at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television? (Pawel Frelik)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:19:45 -0500
To: nomadc22 at hotmail.com



Oh yeah. The second ever Tom Baker Doctor Who serial, "The Ark in Space," is all about a hibernation space station -- meant to preserve the human race from a disaster -- malfunctioning. 
And that reminds me -- what was the name of the that Scifi Channel show (back in the 90s, when that was the network's name) where a bunch of teens and a DNA seed bank were all that was left of Earth, drifting through space looking for a new home while being very angsty? I'm sure that show opened on the hibernation chamber. 
Oh, and of course Lexx shows one nearly every episode, because the crew has to keep waking the assassin, but he only has so much time to live outside it. 
And there was a new Who Christmas special where that was what the plot centered on. It was titled "A Christmas Carol."
Well then. Ever have one of those moments where you realize exactly what you spent your childhood doing, and where you are now makes perfect sense? Lexx, really?

Greg Conley 

On Mar 30, 2012sr, at 7:17 AM, Damon Miller <nomadc22 at hotmail.com> wrote:





Does the 1980s series of Buck Rogers count (his hibernation was in the beginning of each episode)?
Stargate: Atlantis had stasis pods in the city, and Stargate: Universe ended with the crew going into stasis pods.
A bit off kilter - the Underworld vampire movie franchise has 2 of their elders inhibernation pods at any one time as part of their story arc.
Not human, but the Slime People (1963) had beast-men woken from hibernation beneath the earth.
Various stories in Dr Who have used hibernation, as did The Twilight Zone.
 
There's someone making a short film entitled Hibernation at the moment - http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311035 . There's a link to the vimeo trailer on that thread.
 
Damon


Dr Damon Miller

Faculty of Arts & Faculty of Social Science

The Open University

 
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0700
From: Pawel Frelik <pawel.frelik at umcs.edu.pl>
To: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu <sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>

Subject: [SFRA-L] Hibernation in SF film and television?
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Dear Hive Mind,

so  here's  a  query  - can you think of SF films and television shows
(any  country  or  year) that
 feature any kind of a hibernation/stasis
device? Vertical or horizontal, space-faring or bunker-installed - any
kind is good as long as there's at least a glimpse of the device.

Some  obvious  examples  include  the Aliens franchise, Event Horizon,

Pitch Black, Avatar, or Pandorum but I am sure there are many more.

Will you help?

Pawel


    
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SFRA-L at wiz.cath.vt.edu

http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sfra-l




-- 
Grace L. Dillon, PhD
Editor, Walking the Clouds: An Anthology of Indigenous Science Fiction.
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/Books/bid2331.htm



Associate Professor & Coordinator, Popular Culture

Indigenous Nations Studies

Affiliated Faculty, English

Portland State University

POB 751

Portland, OR 97207-0751

Phone: 503-725-8144

FAX: 503-725-3561

http://www.web.pdx.edu/~dillong/



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From: KAVENYPE at uwec.edu (Kaveny, Philip Edward)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:04:36 +0000
Subject: [SFRA-L] Need Steve Silvers  email to contact off list
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________________________________
From: sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] on behalf of Richard Erlich [ErlichRD at MUOhio.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:11 AM
To: Gail Bondi
Cc: sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] yikes! / Link Title on ENDER'S GAME follow-up

http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges

Dropping the quotation marks on "'pornographic'" does make a difference ? (more than, say, omitting apostrophes).



On 29/03/2012, at 20:32, Gail Bondi wrote:

It has actually been on the summer reading list in Jacksonville, FL and Orson Scott Card has been invited to speak at a couple of the schools.

Gail Bondi
damereading1 at yahoo.com<mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com>
________________________________
From: Catherine Coker <ccoker at library.tamu.edu<mailto:ccoker at library.tamu.edu>>
To: "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu>" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu<mailto:sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SFRA-L] yikes!

That story was updated last week:

http://io9.com/5895254/teacher-who-read-from-pornographic-enders-game-wont-face-criminal-charges


On 03/28/12, "Easterbrook, Neil" <n.easterbrook at tcu.edu<mailto:n.easterbrook at tcu.edu>> wrote:
Apparently, a middle school teacher may get fired b/c of Ender's Game. I'm no advocate for the novel, but "pornographic" is a little much.
http://io9.com/5893478/teachers-job-in-jeopardy-for-reading-to-kids-from-enders-game

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From: dillong at pdx.edu (Grace Dillon)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:08:31 -0700
Subject: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux
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Aaniin (and hello) to all,
         Although this posting will be long gone by then, I'm eagerly
looking forward  to the insights of my students in ENG 410/ Indigenous
Nations Studies 410 (with a number of 510 grad students opting to come to
the course as well)  as they contextualize films such as John Carter (via
Edgar Rice Burroughs' The Princess of Mars), Cowboys and Aliens (and the
shift in the script to Harrison Ford holding his dying Native stepson
played by Anishinaabe Adam Beach-originally, in the script, vice-versa),
and the generous but still ill-fated attempts in James Cameron's Avatar to
signal the actual Native and indigenous forms of science in play.   Via
John's chapters on the "colonizing gaze" of early forms of sf and other
important critical works  that are beginning to emerge in our field, the
dashing off of such repetitious patterns of what Stuart Hall has called in
the past the "imperializing gaze" of apparently neutral films does add up,
even as they add up in our much-loved genre of sf and all continuous
evolutions of family resemblances as John again might encourage us to think
about. The visible presence and/or invisible presence of Natives, First
Nations peoples, Aboriginals and "us," in other words does matter and
cannot be too easily shunted aside as of little matter.  Hopefully, we will
all consider this as we watch the John Carter film carefully with full
attentiveness and not decide to see it, because it is "irrelevant" to watch
what rightfully scholarly-activists already know will be potentially
problematic.  I recommend reading Eden Robinson (Haida/Haisla)'s "Terminal
Avenue" along side watching this Disneyfication of A Princess of Mars.  We
Natives are astute and aware of the real meaning of getting rid of "the
Indian problem."

That said, mino bimaatisiiwin ("living the good life" intended as a
blessing for health in all our paths of life),
Affectionately (just off the wonderful conversations of ICFA),
Grace

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Sawyer, Andy <A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk>wrote:

>  Right, Gail! ****
>
> ** **
>
> I think I?d seen your comments on this list on the date I spoke to my
> students.****
>
> ** **
>
> The original comment made me think of a woman I heard on the radio who
> dismissed Terry Pratchett on the grounds that she ?didn?t know a single
> woman who read him?. Shortly before I?d found myself almost the only man in
> the room at a Pratchett convention, and someone in a position to know had
> told me that his career had really taken off after EQUAL RITES had been
> serialised on BBC Radio 4?s ?Woman?s Hour? programme.****
>
> ** **
>
> Just shows . . . . something, I guess.****
>
> ** **
>
> I really *must* see the JC film myself!****
>
> ** **
>
> --------------------------------****
>
> Andy Sawyer****
>
> Science Fiction Librarian****
>
> Special Collections and Archives****
>
> University of Liverpool Library****
>
> PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.****
>
> ** **
>
> Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.****
>
> http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction
> http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html****
>
> ** **
>
> The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/****
>
> ** **
>
> The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/****
>
> ** **
>
> "... there is no higher life form than a librarian."****
>
> THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p.
> 10. ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Gail Bondi [mailto:damereading1 at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* 27 March 2012 14:38
> *To:* Sawyer, Andy; sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux****
>
> ** **
>
> I LOVED IT! I am a woman between 8 and 80 and I thought the film creators
> did a good job of overriding ERB's sexism while staying true to his intent.
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Gail Bondi
> damereading1 at yahoo.com****
>    ------------------------------
>
> *From:* "Sawyer, Andy" <A.P.Sawyer at liverpool.ac.uk>
> *To:* "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux****
>
> ** **
>
> >I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed that the
> strange new world of the adventure is Mars****
>
>  ****
>
> This reminds me of the people walking out of THE ARTIST because they
> didn?t know it was a silent film . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> On another list, several people have pointed out that the ERB ?John
> Carter? books are virtually unknown among what is assumed to be the target
> demographic of the film, and that ?of Mars? might have been shed because
> the last big film with a Martian setting also tanked. Dunno. There seems to
> be confusion all round. On the same day as it was put to me strongly that
> apart from under 25s the next biggest film-going audience is couples and
> that JC ?was exactly the sort of film NOT to be liked by women from the
> ages of 8 to 80?, three women in their 20s told me that they very much
> wanted to see it. (OK, they are students of mine, but I don?t give credit
> for wanting to watch films.)****
>
>  ****
>
> Meanwhile I still haven?t seen it ? it?s still on locally but I don?t have
> any time this week L****
>
>  ****
>
> --------------------------------****
>
> Andy Sawyer****
>
> Science Fiction Librarian****
>
> Special Collections and Archives****
>
> University of Liverpool Library****
>
> PO Box 123, Liverpool L69 3DA, UK.****
>
>  ****
>
> Course Director, MA in Science Fiction Studies.****
>
> http://www.liv.ac.uk/english/ma_courses/post_ma_sf.htm****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Reviews Editor: Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction
> http://www.sf-foundation.org/publications/foundation.html****
>
>  ****
>
> The Science Fiction Hub: http://www.sfhub.ac.uk/****
>
>  ****
>
> The Science Fiction Foundation: http://www.sf-foundation.org/****
>
>  ****
>
> "... there is no higher life form than a librarian."****
>
> THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD: Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart, p.
> 10. ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:
> sfra-l-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *De Witt Douglas Kilgore
> *Sent:* 26 March 2012 17:11
> *To:* Gail Bondi
> *Cc:* sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux****
>
>  ****
>
> I agree that the movie was poorly advertised.  I buy that they may have
> wanted to underplay the source novels for the reasons stated.  However, it
> also they also shied at the "of Mars" connection.  And this seems odd given
> that we live in the world of *Avatar* and *Star Wars*, etc.  And it
> worked:  I've heard that some people walk out of the film having missed
> that the strange new world of the adventure is Mars.  Naturally the
> attentive would have figured it out during the solar system map sequence.
> And the film has underperformed.
>
> It all seems like another wasted opportunity.  Sigh.
>
> De Witt****
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Gail Bondi <damereading1 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
> My husband and I saw the movie last night. The movie was poorly
> advertised. After seeing the trailers, I was fully prepared to miss it.
> They didn't look that good. However, I am not sure pushing the books would
> have helped. Disney may have been concerned that their implied racism and
> sexism would hurt the movie. I remember the Tarzan books better, but even
> 40 years ago I recognized that ERB's Victorian belief in the superiority of
> the white man irritated me. I enjoyed them but I was also embarrassed by
> them. ****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought the part about the Apaches was more to show that Carter was a
> person who fought for a cause (or at least thought before he fought) rather
> than a political statement about the struggles on the plains. Since we
> don't know what the Apaches were saying (that part wasn't translated),
> Carter may have been saying a plague on both your houses. I don't think
> politics was a major point here. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Gail Bondi
> damereading1 at yahoo.com****
>     ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Sue & Bruce Rockwood <clan.rockwood at gmail.com>
> *To:* Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu>
> *Cc:* "sfra-l at wiz.cath.vt.edu" <sfra-l at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [SFRA-L] John Carter redux****
>
>  ****
>
> We have seen both John Carter and now The Hunger Games (which I have not
> read but my son enjoyed reading first). My son felt that the story of John
> Carter was not widely known and that explains why it may have been less of
> a film success than The Hunger Games appears to be. Maybe Disney or film
> makers in general, if they are going to mine old stories and legends for
> projects, need to consider marketing the source book or story(stories)
> somehow prior to the launch of the film, or do something to make viewers /
> nonreaders more aware of the story line and get interested in it. The film
> trailers for John Carter we saw in the theaters last summer, for example,
> did not give any hint of its source, and merely adding "by the author of
> Tarzan" might have got people looking into the stories prior to the launch.
> I find it amazing they can spend this much money, make a movie I as a fan
> enjoyed, and miss the point of putting the project in context for the
> general viewing audience if they want it to be a commercial success. I
> think John Carter will pull in money overseas, but I think Disney needs an
> embassy from SFRA to explain some of these basic points to them!  I know
> the coherence of the story line and quality of the film making of these two
> films is not much different, in my view, and so the success of only one in
> the marketplace has to be explained by the lack of a prepared audience.
>
> Bruce Rockwood****
>
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Richard Erlich <ErlichRD at muohio.edu>
> wrote:****
>
> On 24/03/2012, at 16:59, pierceqfpl at ewwpi.com wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
>   My wife Marcia and I just got around to seeing it this afternoon, and
> we're glad we did. I'm more familiar with the original story, of course, so
> I could tell that the movie followed its broad outlines but was a lot
> different in detail. One thing that impressed me was that CGI has reached
> the point that the tharks could be *individualized*, even when there were
> a lot of them on screen. I don't think most of the $250 million budget went
> into that, so we can look forward to movies with puppeteers and other
> aliens -- if Hollywood suits have the nerve to make them. The stars were
> good, and I don't mind in the least that Dejah Thoris was made into more of
> a modern woman. She should have been redder than she was, however (ditto
> the rest of the people of Helium and Zodanga), and not had conventional
> Terran makeup. The biggest problem with Carter is that they went too far
> with his feats under Martian gravity -- it's one thing to leap ten feet
> into the air, quite another to leap a hundred. The thoats were good, but I
> thought the calot was too big and too cute. Designs for the cities and the
> airships were too busy, and the landscape too much like Arizona -- no
> helping that. Making the therns the brains behind everything may have been
> better than using astral projection to get Carter to Mars, but it also ate
> up screen time with the prolonged prologue and the epilogue, and there was
> a lot of story on Barsoom itself that had to be crammed in tighter as a
> resullt. Making ERB a character was a tad too precious.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> --John J. Pierce****
>
> _______________________________________________****
>
>   ****
>
> Did you find the politics of the film coherent, John? It seemed to be
> saying something on war and the destruction of the Plains Indians, but for
> me that got lost. ****
>
> (I also wasn't sure how I was supposed to respond to a chastened but
> possibly unReconstructed Confederate, but that's a problem I have with
> several movies [plus bumper stickers, mud guards, state flags, politicians
> ?].)****
>
>  ****
>
> Rich E.****
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> Indiana University
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