From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 05:11:52 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:11:52 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes Message-ID: Happy New Year to all Poets! Hammerbacher grew up in Indiana and Michigan, the son of a General Motors ( GM) assembly-line worker. As a teenager, he perfected his curve ball to the point that college scouts from the University of Michigan and Harvard fought for his services. "I was either going to be a baseball player, a poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went with math and Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard acquaintances?Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. He took a job at Bear Stearns. http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 09:12:28 2012 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:12:28 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy poetry New Year everyone--may the songs (and the fights!) begin! Best, Sheila Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:11:52 +0100 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes Happy New Year to all Poets! Hammerbacher grew up in Indiana and Michigan, the son of a General Motors (GM) assembly-line worker. As a teenager, he perfected his curve ball to the point that college scouts from the University of Michigan and Harvard fought for his services. "I was either going to be a baseball player, a poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went with math and Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard acquaintances?Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. He took a job at Bear Stearns. http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 09:27:02 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:27:02 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year's Day Message-ID: New Year's Day-- everything is in blossom! I feel about average. --Kobayashi Issa (1763-1827) Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 13:51:29 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:51:29 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Group Reading In-Reply-To: <4504BA3CF3D44247AC4DA6414C5331EE02FB14@sjcexchangedb1.SJC.EDU> References: <4504BA3CF3D44247AC4DA6414C5331EE02FB14@sjcexchangedb1.SJC.EDU> Message-ID: Best wishes, and a particular hello to Ray DiPalma and Daniela Gioseffi. On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Barone, Dennis wrote: > Reading at Saint Marks Poetry Project, 10th Stree and Second Avenue, NY, > NY, Wednesday January 4 at 8:00 for the anthology New Hungers for Old: > One-Hundred Years of Italian-American Poetry. Scheduled to read are: > Dennis Barone, Christine Casson, Elaine Equi, Mary Giaimo, George Guida, > Peter Covino, Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Ray DiPalma, Daniela Gioseffi, > Vittoria Repetto, Matthew Longabucco, Jerome Mazzaro, J. T. Barbarese, Nick > Piombino, Maria Terrone, David Cappella, Clare Rossini, and Paola Corso. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 14:41:01 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku In-Reply-To: <08D92A17DF234FB0BBD539994E1DD715@BobHP> Message-ID: <1325446861.94673.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> congrads ... I recently picked up a copy of a Henri Rousseau for beginners book. As a vispo/math beginner, I'm qualified ... Rousseau wrote poetry and plays and played violin on the streets of Paris. Have any of the poems survived? Or plays? & the violin ... has it been sold at an auction? --- On Sun, 1/1/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 2:26 PM In a couple of days an exhibition of my mathematical poems will begin at the local Arts & Humanities Council building.? I?m including a binder containing 25 or so pages intended to help beginners get something out of my poems.? A pdf file of this is at http://poeticks.com/how-to-appreciate-a-mathemaku.? An comments on this, especially as a teaching aid, would be greatly appreciated. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 15:17:15 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:17:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku In-Reply-To: <08D92A17DF234FB0BBD539994E1DD715@BobHP> References: <8CE9561CE97BE89-E24-532DE@webmail-d169.sysops.aol.com> <08D92A17DF234FB0BBD539994E1DD715@BobHP> Message-ID: An interesting description, and I like the colors and the ensemble, great! On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM, bob grumman wrote: > In a couple of days an exhibition of my mathematical poems will begin > at the local Arts & Humanities Council building. I?m including a binder > containing 25 or so pages intended to help beginners get something out of > my poems. A pdf file of this is at > http://poeticks.com/how-to-appreciate-a-mathemaku. An comments on this, > especially as a teaching aid, would be greatly appreciated. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 1 16:42:36 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:42:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku In-Reply-To: <1325446861.94673.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325446861.94673.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <764D5613DB7449F79D07D5F602602387@BobHP> congrads ... I recently picked up a copy of a Henri Rousseau for beginners book. As a vispo/math beginner, I'm qualified ... Gee, you wouldn?t think Rousseau would present many problems to a looker. Rousseau wrote poetry and plays and played violin on the streets of Paris. Have any of the poems survived? Or plays? & the violin ... has it been sold at an auction? I can see his two or three most famous pictures very clearly in my mind, but I don?t know much about him. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love you all too...and here's to a wonderfilled 2012. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames To: new-poetry Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 12:07 pm Subject: Frankenthaler To my Numero Uno Priority, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203391104577124801133185594.html Love, J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From by.tjmst at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 17:34:37 2012 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:34:37 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] the catholic university of east afric is convening a serie symposium to mark , assess 50 years of Africa s scholarship &development -- A snippet justifying the conference by gbemi tijani mst Message-ID: Craig Zelizerr -the dynamic founder host of PCDN PEACE COLLABORATIVE DEVELOPMENT NETWORK POST A CONFERENCE NOTICE THAT WILL ASSESS 50 YEARS OF AFRICA INDEPPENCE --especially all aspects of scholarship-development GBEM -a member of the website reacts via this snippet justifying the conference Thanks for the post. if i may ask with modesty do these posts attract advertorial fees?if so -i suggest a monthly repost of the same to give a development ?focused, multidisciplinary conference. of this nature a wider reinforced publicity-insofar your firm will also give cumulative discount for subsequent posts of the same. After a careful scrolling of the symposium announcements of the various faculties I didn't find them boring at all. Maybe I m conscientiously at home with some of these topics -even though a non-academic -or possibly a thread of them have been held dearly urgent to sewn up where nine stitches would have been avoided. I hope i can link up a few friends who are academics and are genuinely concerned about Development in Africa -as a way forward issue -despite rhetorical agenda of the past. But can we blame politicians themselves however underachieving i now think we should also query who are the advisers that served him or again to put it more trendily who are the PAs that technically and emotionally assisted him/her during his/her tenure as a vice -chancellor, a group general manager of a n essential or oil parastatal,or a Council Chairman, state governor, a Federal Minister,senator,speaker ,bank md/pension fund managers,cbn governor,ict head or adviser, store manager,h.r.manager,ngo partners, principal investigators of big grant -aided projects, electric power /energy committee chairman, culture or tourist resources adviser, chief medical directors of teaching or state hospitals, exam council chairman. Also we can also put a searchlight on the school headmaster at 1ory & 2ory levels -especially today s public schools that are far incomparable with the past decades in terms of fallen standard & decorum and consequently outcome. When I was an auxillary teacher decades back I wrote a not-so-media target of about 25-page article merely as a sublimation of my experience on students nonchalance in the secondary school of the 70s in Ogun state.I laughed and laughed when I reflected back without the script at hand except short /sharp snippets published by The Students Companion published in Lagos as a quarterly tabloid near The Nigerian Guardian Newspapers. What I experienced as non ?chalance was indeed a normal level of students slothfulness or recreational permission that should still sharpen the brain functions. Today ?s African schools & society where internet facilities are available ?possibly elsewhere on broadband ?implying a maze of virtual or real libraries and anonymous tutors ?exam failure rate is incredibly high ?as bad as 80%!Whos?s to blame? Many factors and intersect oral officers are responsible. Not just the teacher. There was only a slight improvement in performance this current year. Education is also in crisis in Africa ?The conference is timely. Have you also read The Great Education lie-1 & 2?The teachers Nigerian Schools Need? Again what of politicians & bankers corruption alliance ?as a series of Transparent International ?Talakawa courier by Biodun Jeyifo from Harvard university & how Africans underdeveloped Africa? All these attest to the conference symposia list. I hope it could be given appropriate publicity plus why are poets not in politics and why aren?t they involved actively in political activism and civic leadership other than passive poetry readings in malls/halls? Civil society docility and elite apathy until recent decades are part of Africa?s prolonged cheating in democratic wedding between the populace and political rulers since 50 years ?do you agree? Though the jubilee reflective an challenging list is exhaustive and directly relevant to the issues at stake in Africa ?I observe the planners are silent on university autonomy & implications-positive and problem aspects too. Again trends in professional mobility to politics and not without problems too ?especially inordinate emoluments & allowances far in excess of where we borrowed the system. Most African politicians especially in Nigeria are earning more than President Barak Obama ?despite our consumerist chronicity. Notably too the issue of integrity ,morality in private and public places have not only degenerated but it has spilled over to the informal sector- the support service skills from roadside mechanics, the market women and specific dealership of a farm or consumer product that 's indispensable to academics or pastors or whoever that can't do without the basics -food, clothing & shelter....the policeman & the judiciary etc.I m surprised corruption re-echoes in the symposium lists -who's fairly immune to corrupt practices in contemporary Africa? More info later power has failed here ?sincerely my basket is nt empty at all! WHAT OF UNIVERSITY AUTONOMY? Gbemi Tijani,2812-2011 CONVENER CIVIC CONCERN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or plays? & the violin ... has it been sold at an auction? ? I can see his two or three most famous pictures very clearly in my mind, but I don?t know much about him. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 1 19:15:20 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:15:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Ubi Sunt 2011 Message-ID: <8CE96FABF62931A-DE0-2D1A4@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> Janine Pommy Vega E.G. Burrows Ira Cohen Herbert Coursen Ted Enslin Hugh Fox John Haines Maggie Jaffe William Kloefkorn Victor Martinez Samuel Menashe Carol Nowack Akilah Oliver Frank Parker Gil Scott-Heron Ruth Stone Paul Violi Scott Wannberg Will Da Real One = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 19:47:39 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:47:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku In-Reply-To: <1325457419.91327.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1325465259.61965.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... of course, the object of mathemaku is to enchant. It's a learning tool, yes? & presenting something as uninteresting as long division with haikus does enchant. Throw in Rousseau and mathemaku would almost certainly capture the attention of a young audience. As it stands, the current curriculum is in trouble. --- On Sun, 1/1/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 5:36 PM Gee, you wouldn?t think Rousseau would present many problems to a looker. & I thought you were above sarcasm, Bob. --- On Sun, 1/1/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] How to Appreciate a Mathemaku To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 4:42 PM congrads ... I recently picked up a copy of a Henri Rousseau for beginners book. As a vispo/math beginner, I'm qualified ... ? Gee, you wouldn?t think Rousseau would present many problems to a looker. Rousseau wrote poetry and plays and played violin on the streets of Paris. Have any of the poems survived? Or plays? & the violin ... has it been sold at an auction? ? I can see his two or three most famous pictures very clearly in my mind, but I don?t know much about him. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From by.tjmst at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 22:52:37 2012 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 03:52:37 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the streams of thought welling out of my wernicke areas of my brain.However the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST lay your noise on me BY JANET JACKSON -These comments are provoked b: GBEMI TIJANI MST said... i doubt it immensely if the poet J.j isn't elevating a mating cry in a grand stylistic metaphoric manner of a typical poet wiith advanced imagery. i love it i love her i actually like her desperation to be harmlessly consumed by the passion of love essentials security imagine her total fall of her finesse lay my hands on you you and the real of you feel for the whole of you she had earlier invited a theater of love lay your hands on me you in the place of you you in the role of you there are more stanzas where she unashamedly demonstrated the beauty of heterosexuality when she released all of her heart and gender per excellence without which no humans -except the artificial babies from laboratories-she said spread your sace on me all over ,down through my anatomy & physiology Again as if to say in the private enterprise Go into it go for it!Don't stop it please do it to me She authenticated this readiness for consumation by her embrace of the synbiotic pairing she requested her patner 's total clasp of her - exert yourself on me lay your noise on me me & the bones,skin of me me & all the strings of me she even permitted her counterpart to bruise her & make a bruise on her through her sluice on her .. This is submission of an evolutionary order innocently incredible of women - in - career - era This might be common or possible collectable in village love -especially the type memoired by Sambo the son of Mama-a Camerounian novelist reflecting her boyhood via a novel published in the AWS edited by Chinua Achebe in the 60s.Mbella Dipoko,Naiwu Osahon also had that kind of sweet experience in their novellas :Black & White in Love & Sex is Nigger respectively. I wish David Graham stumbled in these books either in the Library Of Congress collections or in an online archives as pieces depicting confessional writings-which he had commented on in New Poetry Digest years back. Since lay Your Noise On Me is engaging language and biological realities to convey her well-deserved longing her poem is very fruitful to typical scientist who do holistic justice to the whole panorama of mating by total permission not by raping nor by arranged cohesion or allied violent strategies by perverts use to damage soul and bruise spirit of women in the perpetual service of mankind - making and sustenance of human species...this should provoke more poems and books. GBEMI TIJANI MST 02JAN20122.04AM January 1, 2012 7:06 PM GBEMI TIJANI MST said... i m looking for electric power support via an inverter to write a memoir densely freely reflective of love & life -including 7 regrettable affairs & Three Missed Medicos...sure it will stabilize love in informal settings -urban & rural settings. The Tantalizer -1 & 2 -will be prominently exposed.Not without epilogue or philosophical exposition of thoughts of reflectors like Peter Lundi who opined Nobel Laureate prize should also be given to people who had loved diverse women greatly. January 1, 2012 7:25 PM GBEMI TIJANI MST said... As if to say sex and inappropriate love cant be dismissed in human affairs now and then and this is everywhere as had happened twice reported even @World Bank in recent yearsWhy is that man & woman cant organise their psycho -biology to make sex ethically neat especially if the affair is out of wedlock? Who ELSE DO WE EXPECT TO MAKE SEX NEATER -the spouse or the single or the cassanovas or the celibate? Will there be recklessness in sexual trans action s other than legal prostitution -if cultural expectations & decorum are liberalized? gbemi tijani mst asked 02012012am January 1, 2012 7:35 PM Post a Comment On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM, wrote: > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Listening 2 (Halvard Johnson) > 2. 2012 (Tom?s ? C?rthaigh) > 3. New Year, Best Wishes (Anny Ballardini) > 4. Re: New Year, Best Wishes (sheila black) > 5. New Year's Day (Halvard Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:08:04 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > , Poetryetc > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > :: Listening 2: Terry Riley, June Buddhas (Voices Saintpaulia; Brooklyn > Phil./Dennis Russell Davies) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, > Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** > Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , > *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems < > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/> > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other > Sonnets< > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of > Clones< > http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1 > > > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony< > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf > > > ; **Rapsodie espagnole< > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf > > > ; **Guide to the Tokyo > Subway< > http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3 > > > ; **The Sonnet Project< > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf > > > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; > **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > > ; **Transparencies & Projections< > http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.transp.html> > * > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20111231/f6940e42/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > To: NewPoetry List , "UB\) Poetics List > \(UPenn" > Cc: British Irish , Low Lands > > Subject: [New-Poetry] 2012 > Message-ID: > <1325352776.72142.YahooMailClassic at web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > For all writers, culture lovers and hostory freaks... all the best for > 2012!!!! Looking forward to living through the end of the world yet again > on my next borthday (December 22nd... Ill be expecting a card!!!). > > Hope to share culture, poetry, history and joy with all in 2012!!! > > OK, so being the party pooper, Im now off to shower shave and sh...... eh, > get ready for work. Am on A/E tonight, to deal with all the drunks who are > enjoying the parties Im missing!!! > > Such is life!!! > > Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > http://www.cartyspoetryjournal.com > > > "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on > Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20111231/1d140fee/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:11:52 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Happy New Year to all Poets! > > Hammerbacher grew up in Indiana and Michigan, the son of a General Motors ( > GM< > http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=GM > >) > assembly-line worker. As a teenager, he perfected his curve ball to the > point that college scouts from the University of Michigan and Harvard > fought for his services. "I was either going to be a baseball player, a > poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went with math and > Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard acquaintances?Facebook > co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. He took a job at Bear > Stearns. > http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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As a teenager, he > perfected his curve ball to the point that college scouts from the > University > of Michigan and Harvard fought for his services. "I was either going to be > a baseball player, a poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went > with math and Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard > acquaintances?Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. > He > took a job at Bear Stearns. > > http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From by.tjmst at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 23:04:45 2012 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:04:45 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: apologia post to the last comment -i actually mean this: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZED EXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to language dexterious contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy who might review via literary theories otherwise?and On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 3:52 AM, BY TJMST wrote: > NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF > 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally voracious read two of her > poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors > like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible > believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the > streams of thought welling out of my wernicke areas of my brain.However > the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which > novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on > readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE > CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST > lay your noise on me BY JANET JACKSON -These comments are provoked b: > > > > GBEMI TIJANI MST said... > > i doubt it immensely if the poet J.j isn't elevating a mating cry in a > grand stylistic metaphoric manner of a typical poet wiith advanced imagery. > i love it > i love her > i actually like her desperation to be harmlessly consumed by the passion > of love essentials security > imagine her total fall of her finesse > lay my hands on you > you and the real of you > feel for the whole of you > she had earlier invited a theater of love > lay your hands on me > you in the place of you > you in the role of you > there are more stanzas where she unashamedly demonstrated the beauty of > heterosexuality > when she released all of her heart and gender per excellence without which > no humans -except the artificial babies from laboratories-she said spread > your sace on me all over ,down through my anatomy & physiology > Again as if to say in the private enterprise > Go into it go for it!Don't stop it please do it to me > She authenticated this readiness for consumation by her embrace of the > synbiotic pairing she requested her patner 's total clasp of her - > exert yourself on me > lay your noise on me > me & the bones,skin of me > me & all the strings of me > she even permitted her counterpart to bruise her > & make a bruise on her through her sluice on her .. > This is submission of an evolutionary order > innocently incredible of women - in - career > - era > This might be common or possible collectable in village love -especially > the type memoired by Sambo the son of Mama-a Camerounian novelist > reflecting her boyhood via a novel published in the AWS edited by Chinua > Achebe in the 60s.Mbella Dipoko,Naiwu Osahon also had that kind of sweet > experience in their novellas :Black & White in Love & Sex is Nigger > respectively. > I wish David Graham stumbled in these books either in the Library Of > Congress collections or in an online archives as pieces depicting > confessional writings-which he had commented on in New Poetry Digest years > back. > Since lay Your Noise On Me > is engaging language and biological realities to convey her well-deserved > longing > her poem is very fruitful to typical scientist who do holistic justice to > the whole panorama of mating by total permission not by raping nor by > arranged cohesion or allied violent strategies by perverts use to damage > soul and bruise spirit of women in the perpetual service of mankind - > making and sustenance of human species...this should provoke more poems and > books. > GBEMI TIJANI MST 02JAN20122.04AM > > January 1, 2012 7:06 PM > > > > > GBEMI TIJANI MST said... > > i m looking for electric power support via an inverter to write a memoir > densely freely reflective of love & life -including 7 regrettable affairs & > Three Missed Medicos...sure it will stabilize love in informal settings > -urban & rural settings. > The Tantalizer -1 & 2 -will be prominently exposed.Not without epilogue or > philosophical exposition of thoughts of reflectors like Peter Lundi who > opined Nobel Laureate prize should also be given to people who had loved > diverse women greatly. > > January 1, 2012 7:25 PM > > > > > GBEMI TIJANI MST said... > > As if to say sex and inappropriate love cant be dismissed in human affairs > now and then and this is everywhere as had happened twice reported even > @World Bank in recent yearsWhy is that man & woman cant organise their > psycho -biology to make sex ethically neat especially if the affair is out > of wedlock? > Who ELSE DO WE EXPECT TO MAKE SEX NEATER -the spouse or the single or the > cassanovas or the celibate? > Will there be recklessness in sexual trans action s other than legal > prostitution -if cultural expectations & decorum are liberalized? gbemi > tijani mst asked > 02012012am > > January 1, 2012 7:35 PM > > > Post a Comment > > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM, wrote: > >> Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Listening 2 (Halvard Johnson) >> 2. 2012 (Tom?s ? C?rthaigh) >> 3. New Year, Best Wishes (Anny Ballardini) >> 4. Re: New Year, Best Wishes (sheila black) >> 5. New Year's Day (Halvard Johnson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:08:04 -0600 >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> , Poetryetc >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> Message-ID: >> > p7A at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> :: Listening 2: Terry Riley, June Buddhas (Voices Saintpaulia; Brooklyn >> Phil./Dennis Russell Davies) >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, >> Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** >> Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , >> *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems < >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/> >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The Perfection >> of Mozart's Third Eye and Other >> Sonnets< >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> > >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of >> Clones< >> http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1 >> > >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; >> **Theory >> of Harmony< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf >> > >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf >> > >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo >> Subway< >> http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3 >> > >> ; **The Sonnet Project< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf >> > >> ; **G(e)nome ; >> **Winter >> Journey ; >> **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan < >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.dance.html> >> ; **Transparencies & Projections< >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.transp.html> >> * >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20111231/f6940e42/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) >> From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh >> To: NewPoetry List , "UB\) Poetics >> List >> \(UPenn" >> Cc: British Irish , Low Lands >> >> Subject: [New-Poetry] 2012 >> Message-ID: >> <1325352776.72142.YahooMailClassic at web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> For all writers, culture lovers and hostory freaks... all the best for >> 2012!!!! Looking forward to living through the end of the world yet again >> on my next borthday (December 22nd... Ill be expecting a card!!!). >> >> Hope to share culture, poetry, history and joy with all in 2012!!! >> >> OK, so being the party pooper, Im now off to shower shave and sh...... >> eh, get ready for work. Am on A/E tonight, to deal with all the drunks who >> are enjoying the parties Im missing!!! >> >> Such is life!!! >> >> Tom?s ? C?rthaigh >> http://www.cartyspoetryjournal.com >> >> >> "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've >> written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on >> Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? >> ? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20111231/1d140fee/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:11:52 +0100 >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> >> Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes >> Message-ID: >> > pnE1yAGhtysLcFdL8g at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Happy New Year to all Poets! >> >> Hammerbacher grew up in Indiana and Michigan, the son of a General Motors >> ( >> GM< >> http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=GM >> >) >> assembly-line worker. As a teenager, he perfected his curve ball to the >> point that college scouts from the University of Michigan and Harvard >> fought for his services. "I was either going to be a baseball player, a >> poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went with math and >> Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard acquaintances?Facebook >> co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. He took a job at Bear >> Stearns. >> >> http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20120101/69bcd0e6/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:12:28 +0000 >> From: sheila black >> To: >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> >> Happy poetry New Year everyone--may the songs (and the fights!) begin! >> >> Best, >> >> Sheila >> >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:11:52 +0100 >> From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year, Best Wishes >> >> Happy New Year to all Poets! >> >> >> >> Hammerbacher >> grew up in Indiana and Michigan, the son of a General Motors (GM) >> assembly-line worker. As a teenager, he >> perfected his curve ball to the point that college scouts from the >> University >> of Michigan and Harvard fought for his services. "I was either going to be >> a baseball player, a poet, or a mathematician," he says. Hammerbacher went >> with math and Harvard. Unlike one of his more prominent Harvard >> acquaintances?Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg?Hammerbacher graduated. >> He >> took a job at Bear Stearns. >> >> >> http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20120101/debe4c9a/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:27:02 -0600 >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> , Poetryetc >> Subject: [New-Poetry] New Year's Day >> Message-ID: >> < >> CANrCfqG3EBBarx0KFworgffgqx1Nx5yeTx_iwiFSSLBfnYS8Nw at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> New Year's Day-- >> everything is in blossom! >> I feel about average. >> >> --Kobayashi Issa (1763-1827) >> >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, >> Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** >> Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , >> *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems < >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/> >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The Perfection >> of Mozart's Third Eye and Other >> Sonnets< >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> > >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of >> Clones< >> http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1 >> > >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; >> **Theory >> of Harmony< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf >> > >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf >> > >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo >> Subway< >> http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3 >> > >> ; **The Sonnet Project< >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf >> > >> ; **G(e)nome ; >> **Winter >> Journey ; >> **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan < >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.dance.html> >> ; **Transparencies & Projections< >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.transp.html> >> * >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20120101/e3477ed7/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 >> ***************************************** >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM, BY TJMST wrote: > NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF > 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally voracious read two of her > poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors > like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible > believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the > streams of thought welling out of my wernicke areas of my brain.However > the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which > novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on > readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE > CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST > lay your noise on me BY JANET JACKSON -These comments are provoked b: > > > > GBEMI TIJANI MST said... > > i doubt it immensely if the poet J.j isn't elevating a mating cry in a > grand stylistic metaphoric manner of a typical poet wiith advanced imagery. > i love it > i love her > i actually like her desperation to be harmlessly consumed by the passion > of love essentials security > imagine her total fall of her finesse > lay my hands on you > you and the real of you > feel for the whole of you > she had earlier invited a theater of love > lay your hands on me > you in the place of you > you in the role of you > there are more stanzas where she unashamedly demonstrated the beauty of > heterosexuality > when she released all of her heart and gender per excellence without which > no humans -except the artificial babies from laboratories-she said spread > your sace on me all over ,down through my anatomy & physiology > Again as if to say in the private enterprise > Go into it go for it!Don't stop it please do it to me > She authenticated this readiness for consumation by her embrace of the > synbiotic pairing she requested her patner 's total clasp of her - > exert yourself on me > lay your noise on me > me & the bones,skin of me > me & all the strings of me > she even permitted her counterpart to bruise her > & make a bruise on her through her sluice on her .. > This is submission of an evolutionary order > innocently incredible of women - in - career > - era > This might be common or possible collectable in village love -especially > the type memoired by Sambo the son of Mama-a Camerounian novelist > reflecting her boyhood via a novel published in the AWS edited by Chinua > Achebe in the 60s.Mbella Dipoko,Naiwu Osahon also had that kind of sweet > experience in their novellas :Black & White in Love & Sex is Nigger > respectively. > I wish David Graham stumbled in these books either in the Library Of > Congress collections or in an online archives as pieces depicting > confessional writings-which he had commented on in New Poetry Digest years > back. > Since lay Your Noise On Me > is engaging language and biological realities to convey her well-deserved > longing > her poem is very fruitful to typical scientist who do holistic justice to > the whole panorama of mating by total permission not by raping nor by > arranged cohesion or allied violent strategies by perverts use to damage > soul and bruise spirit of women in the perpetual service of mankind - > making and sustenance of human species...this should provoke more poems and > books. > GBEMI TIJANI MST 02JAN20122.04AM > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Burrows > Ira Cohen > Herbert Coursen > Ted Enslin > Hugh Fox > John Haines > Maggie Jaffe > William Kloefkorn > Victor Martinez > Samuel Menashe > Carol Nowack > Akilah Oliver > Frank Parker > Gil Scott-Heron > Ruth Stone > Paul Violi > Scott Wannberg > Will Da Real One > > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the streams of thought welling out of my wernicke areas of my brain.However the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST I?ll gladly accept both language-dexterous and non-language dexterous. I do like to think I?m not bad at non-languages. Hey, a whole day of 2012 has gone by and I haven?t insulted anyone yet, I don?t think! --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love you all too...and here's to a wonderfilled > 2012. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames > To: new-poetry > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 12:07 pm > Subject: Frankenthaler > > To my Numero Uno Priority, > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203391104577124801133185594.html > Love, > J > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we post criticism? ... of the finer arts ... --- On Mon, 1/2/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Frankenthaler To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 10:00 AM She is worth some Love. On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:11 PM, wrote: Ooops...Sorry, list. I love you all too...and here's to a wonderfilled 2012. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames To: new-poetry Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 12:07 pm Subject: Frankenthaler To my Numero Uno Priority, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203391104577124801133185594.html Love, J _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Interesting because you would think that with an emphasis on the canvas as a flat surface reproduction wouldn't change the paintings much. Happy New Year, everyone! On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > She is worth some Love. > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:11 PM, wrote: > >> Ooops...Sorry, list. I love you all too...and here's to a wonderfilled >> 2012. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jforjames >> To: new-poetry >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 12:07 pm >> Subject: Frankenthaler >> >> To my Numero Uno Priority, >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203391104577124801133185594.html >> Love, >> J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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From: BY TJMST Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:04 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 ? apologia post to the last comment? -i actually mean this: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZED EXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally? voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to language dexterious? contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy who might review via literary theories otherwise?and On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 3:52 AM, BY TJMST wrote: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally? voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the streams of thought welling out of my wernicke? areas of my brain.However the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST? ? I?ll gladly accept both language-dexterous and non-language dexterous.? I do like to think I?m not bad at non-languages. Hey, a whole day of 2012 has gone by and I haven?t insulted anyone yet, I don?t think!? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at pavementsaw.org Mon Jan 2 12:11:17 2012 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:11:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Ubi Sunt 2011 Message-ID: <1325524277.67816.YahooMailClassic@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Janine passed away just before Christmas the year before (2010). Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts From almaginnes at aol.com Mon Jan 2 12:31:27 2012 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:31:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Eleanor Ross Taylor Message-ID: <8CE978B7DDE8838-2340-6FD84@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Eleanor Ross Taylor died Saturday at the age of 91. Here is a poem of hers: Where Somebody Died By Eleanor Ross Taylor b. 1920 The self ?refuses to appear in this bare place. It fears that mute chair and the still window. The sunlight scares it. There might rise up a sound. The door doesn?t like to move, and the crow out there hesitates; he knows a hole flown into by mistake would make a bite of? ?him. What was sits standstill in the chair, hangs, stunned, against the dry-eyed light. Nobody in sight. Inanimate things, still ?lifeless. This room?s so empty I doubt I?m standing here; there can?t be room for me and total emptiness. Only some far-off sounds persist. The brute truck over the interstate. The flames in the incinerator chewing his old vests. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 15:33:08 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1325520408.72580.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1325536388.18546.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> now is all the nonsense below flarf, or is it too unintelligible? Seminar * I -unapologetic ally? voracious read * i decide to appraise it as lay as possible believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the streams of thought welling out of my wernicke? areas of my brain.Howev * two of her poems which are good * and poets of all most all genre use tremendously to hold on readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SE* the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which novelists * X EMBEDDED IN THE CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST? and which to non-language dexterious like contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy and others er the rest is * ?100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY --- On Mon, 1/2/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 9:57 AM ? ? From: BY TJMST Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:04 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 ? apologia post to the last comment? -i actually mean this: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZED EXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally? voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to language dexterious? contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy who might review via literary theories otherwise?and On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 3:52 AM, BY TJMST wrote: NB. WITH A DEBT TO FIERALINGUE Poets Corner and CATEGORIZEDEXCERPT OF 100,000 POETS ANTHOLOGY I -unapologetic ally? voracious read two of her poems which are good and which to non-language dexterious like contributors like Bob,Anny,Amy and others i decide to appraise it as lay as possible believing that its indolence at its height if i do not stabilise the streams of thought welling out of my wernicke? areas of my brain.However the rest is the accessible justice i do to the twin raw materials which novelists and poets of allmost all genre use tremendously to hold on readers attention --I MEAN LOVE & LIFE WITH SEX EMBEDDED IN THE CENTRE-GBEMI TIJANII MST? ? I?ll gladly accept both language-dexterous and non-language dexterous.? I do like to think I?m not bad at non-languages. Hey, a whole day of 2012 has gone by and I haven?t insulted anyone yet, I don?t think!? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 2 17:03:14 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 Message-ID: <8CE97B175BD0126-774-5C2F9@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/2012/01/02/144445061/poetic-perfection-three-favorite-poems-of-2011 David Lehman is a poet and the series editor for The Best American Poetry series. 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NDEs (near death experiences) have a way of enlivening one's work. --- On Mon, 1/2/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] fama's favs of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 7:53 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 5:39 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] fama's favs of 2011 ? http://stevenfama.blogspot.com/2011/12/poetry-published-in-2011.html Surprise, I don?t think this list is all that bad?sort of part in, part outside, Wilshberia. So, much better than every other list you?ve posted, Finnegan. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 10:55:37 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CE97B175BD0126-774-5C2F9@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1325606137.97613.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I bet Bob would have something to say about Paul Violi's "Now I'll Never Be Able to Finish that Poem to Bob. I was sort of ... almost ... shocked when Lehman picked Gluck as the Best Of Editor (back, I think, in the late 80s, or early 90s) ...? & Gluck chose a Bukowski poem. I was surprised to see one of the Buk's poems along side the more well mannered poems, and I was stunned that a poet blessed with Gluck's decorum had the range of sensibility to actually consider, let alone, select a poem by the Buk. --- On Mon, 1/2/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 5:03 PM http://www.npr.org/2012/01/02/144445061/poetic-perfection-three-favorite-poems-of-2011 David Lehman is a poet and the series editor for The Best American Poetry series. Three of my favorite poems of 2011 share a sense of mystery and the uncanny ? a spooky but also exhilarating glimpse of a spiritual world beyond our own. All favor plain speech, an unadorned directness, eschewing the glamour of rhyme or traditional form. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 11:06:53 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:06:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] fama's favs of 2011 Message-ID: <1325606813.65959.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> & the Pam Rehm ... a vispo ... &? along with DaDa ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? aka Baroness Elsa or more simply the Baroness The Larger Nature ?? (No Place: Flood Editions, 2011) --- On Mon, 1/2/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] fama's favs of 2011 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 5:39 PM http://stevenfama.blogspot.com/2011/12/poetry-published-in-2011.html -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This first one was posted to YouTube almost exactly four years ago. It's Barack Obama's "closing argument" to Iowans the night before the caucuses in 2008. It's pretty incredible to see candidate Obama talk about what President Obama ultimately did. He makes four specific promises -- on reforming health care, making college more affordable, ending the war in Iraq, and putting us on the path to energy independence -- all of which today, four years later, are promises kept. The second video is from yesterday -- posted by the New York Times reporters on the ground in Iowa. It's a sneak peek into the "the best-organized presidential campaign in Iowa." Spoiler alert: It's not Mitt Romney. Or Ron Paul. Or Rick Santorum. Both these videos are pretty near and dear to my heart. I was the campaign's Iowa caucus director in 2008, and I know how hard people are working there right now, opponent or no opponent. That's why I want to thank you for opening this email -- especially because I know you've been pretty bombarded with messages from us lately. All the work we do here at headquarters or (more importantly) in the field in places like Des Moines and Ankeny and Council Bluffs in Iowa ultimately relies on someone like you deciding to open an email, click on a link on Facebook, or visit BarackObama.com. Those tiny decisions are what lead to conversations about the campaign, donations that fuel the work we're all doing, and volunteers turning out at campaign events across the country. So, thanks for that, and for everything you've done. A new chapter in the story of 2012 starts with what happens in Iowa tonight. Most of us will watch what happens on TV -- but as you do, remember that the end of this story is up to you and what you decide to do in the days and weeks ahead. 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All favor plain speech, an unadorned directness, eschewing > the glamour of rhyme or traditional form. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 3 16:30:33 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:30:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: <1325606137.97613.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325606137.97613.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72721C52B09D45C6A87D6E9CDF64BF33@BobHP> I bet Bob would have something to say about Paul Violi's "Now I'll Never Be Able to Finish that Poem to Bob. I was sort of ... almost ... shocked when Lehman picked Gluck as the Best Of Editor (back, I think, in the late 80s, or early 90s) ... & Gluck chose a Bukowski poem. I was surprised to see one of the Buk's poems along side the more well mannered poems, and I was stunned that a poet blessed with Gluck's decorum had the range of sensibility to actually consider, let alone, select a poem by the Buk. I don?t have much to say about the Violi poem except that I like it?but won?t say more because I want to see how long I can go into 2012 without being nasty at New-Poetry. Last year I think I went five days. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 16:42:56 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:42:56 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Graves: The White Goddess Message-ID: http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/singlePoem.do?poemId=7074 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 3 19:59:40 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:59:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill interview Message-ID: <8CE989345E38349-1F9C-57C41@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9658789.stm Oxford University's Professor of Poetry Geoffrey Hill has been described as the greatest living poet writing in the English language and yet many have never heard of him. Newsnight's Stephen Smith went to meet him to discuss his work, and his surprising inspirations including Frankie Howerd and Ken Dodd. Broadcast on Thursday 8 December 2011. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 21:52:35 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:52:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: <72721C52B09D45C6A87D6E9CDF64BF33@BobHP> Message-ID: <1325645555.80853.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A nice Bob is a boring Bob. Get mean, Grumman. The political season is on high alert. --- On Tue, 1/3/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:30 PM I bet Bob would have something to say about Paul Violi's "Now I'll Never Be Able to Finish that Poem to Bob. I was sort of ... almost ... shocked when Lehman picked Gluck as the Best Of Editor (back, I think, in the late 80s, or early 90s) ...? & Gluck chose a Bukowski poem. I was surprised to see one of the Buk's poems along side the more well mannered poems, and I was stunned that a poet blessed with Gluck's decorum had the range of sensibility to actually consider, let alone, select a poem by the Buk. ? I don?t have much to say about the Violi poem except that I like it?but won?t say more because I want to see how long I can go into 2012 without being nasty at New-Poetry.? Last year I think I went five days. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 4 14:11:40 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:11:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: <1325645555.80853.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325645555.80853.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A nice Bob is a boring Bob. Get mean, Grumman. The political season is on high alert. Too busy to be nasty right now, Stephen. And I?ve always stayed away as much as possible from politics on the Internet. Later, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 14:18:49 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325704729.84046.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> You wimp. Just for that, here's the beginning of ?a computer poem I'm working on -- ? ? Computer poem ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable: =A0 =A0 ? i hate -- =3DA0 =3DAooooo ? i? =3DA0 I hate everyone Especially minorities =3DA0 I hate bimbos & pimps =3DA0 I hate crocodiles & sororities I hate families=20 & wonkers =A0 =A0 ? cops & weird hats --- On Wed, 1/4/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 2:11 PM A nice Bob is a boring Bob. Get mean, Grumman. The political season is on high alert. Too busy to be nasty right now, Stephen.? And I?ve always stayed away as much as possible from politics on the Internet. ? 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Just for that, here's the beginning of a computer poem I'm working on -- Lehman will love it! --Bob Computer poem Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable: =A0 =A0 i hate -- =3DA0 =3DAooooo i? =3DA0 I hate everyone Especially minorities =3DA0 I hate bimbos & pimps =3DA0 I hate crocodiles & sororities I hate families=20 & wonkers =A0 =A0 cops & weird hats --- On Wed, 1/4/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 2:11 PM A nice Bob is a boring Bob. Get mean, Grumman. The political season is on high alert. Too busy to be nasty right now, Stephen. And I?ve always stayed away as much as possible from politics on the Internet. 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I'm still amazed that your mathmaku is somehow involved with facism, with ...? & continuity, as though Pound didn't know his Chinese ... ... as though arithmatic doesn't lead to algebra, which -- ... as though mathmaku requires a footnote ... ... still -- ... nice image, but it needs a palm tree. --- On Wed, 1/4/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 5:49 PM ? ? From: stephen russell Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:18 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 ? You wimp. Just for that, here's the beginning of? a computer poem I'm working on -- ? Lehman will love it!? --Bob ? ? Computer poem ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable: =A0 =A0 ? i hate -- =3DA0 =3DAooooo ? i? =3DA0 I hate everyone Especially minorities =3DA0 I hate bimbos & pimps =3DA0 I hate crocodiles & sororities I hate families=20 & wonkers =A0 =A0 ? cops & weird hats --- On Wed, 1/4/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 2:11 PM A nice Bob is a boring Bob. Get mean, Grumman. The political season is on high alert. Too busy to be nasty right now, Stephen.? And I?ve always stayed away as much as possible from politics on the Internet. ? 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You want me to reveal my true true character, which is even worse than certain of my detractors are aware, and thus prevent me from running for U.S. Commissar of Arts. And to think I was going to make you deputy commissar. --Bob Grumgrich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 20:29:37 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:29:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 In-Reply-To: <10C4F2452C5A49359E66BD9301B9A60E@BobHP> Message-ID: <1325726977.96379.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> TRAIT ER!!! --- On Wed, 1/4/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lehman's favorite poems of 2011 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 6:57 PM ? ... I'm still amazed that your mathmaku is somehow involved with facism, with ...? & continuity, as though Pound didn't know his Chinese ... ... as though arithmatic doesn't lead to algebra, which -- ... as though mathmaku requires a footnote ... ... still -- ... nice image, but it needs a palm tree. ? --Stephen ? Hey, I know what you?re up to, Stephen!? You?re trying to get me to post my poem in praise of Adol--? See!? You almost got me!? You want me to reveal my true true character, which is even worse than certain of my detractors are aware, and thus prevent me from running for U.S. Commissar of Arts.? And to think I was going to make you deputy commissar. ? --Bob Grumgrich ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do I personally thing you are "gaslighting" me or Amy deliberately--no.? I think, on the contrary, you do think on occasion we are being paranoid or crazy and both the men and the women in this equation--aka list serv are not really able to react separately from our cultural context, history. For instance, I know that? ahttp://ll my life--beginning with my fairly domineering though well-meaning father--I have been trained to think of men as authorities and have had to--and consciously--fight very hard against? my tendency to validate what men do, even when it disagrees with my own perspective, even my experience.? And even with all this, I don't find it easy to believe I have a valid perspective.? In short, I would not accuse you of deliberately trying to make us believe we are crazy, but I do think you are--albeit unconsciously--having more trouble than you recognize necessarily seeing our (by no means monolithic) cultural view ? as women--and are also--perhaps again unconsciously--reacting more defensively and thus perhaps more aggressively than you realize (and by "you" here I really do mean men in general); Long story short--it takes a lot to shift power even a little--viz look at the numbers a la Vida of men and women published in, oh, say the New York Review of Books, say Harper's; look again at the different reviews accorded a Jonathan Franzen and almost any women you choose mining similar territory. Can you think of a female equivalent to someone like Thomas Pynchon--or David Foster Wallace--or, more to the point, can you think of a woman who is accorded pop celebrity status as a genius while writing "difficult" work that is not exactly reader friendly in a mass market sense.? Maybe Bob you don't think about these comparisons, but I do; And by the by I am not someone who wants "special treatment" for being a woman--I can be as scathing about women's writing I don't like as I can about men's. ? But I also feel--and this is hard to articulate--that unfortunately--impersonally, if you will--just as in the nineteenth century I would not have been allowed to vote simply because I am a women, in this century, this time period, you can't discuss all this without trying--and trying hard---to take into account these inconvenient facts of history; that's the only point I am trying to make--and actually I really don't want people to keep arguing over this or to get angrier with each other.? I hope this helps answer your question-- Your loyal, & trusting friend, X Y & Z (he he he) earch the web: enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 17235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 5 07:42:34 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:42:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Corrupt Old Wounds In-Reply-To: <1325748279.76886.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325748279.76886.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I?ll say is, ?Kinda interesting, Stephen.? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Thu Jan 5 08:06:23 2012 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:06:23 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Corrupt Old Wounds In-Reply-To: <1325748279.76886.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325748279.76886.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well! A bit of an old wound-- Sheila Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:24:39 -0800 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Corrupt Old Wounds I hate to open old wounds, but this is in my textual corruption file, and I thought it was lost forever. Ending + beginning, important -- here's some of my best recent work -- from: SATAN Bob--you know, it's an interesting question you pose. Do I personally thing you are "gaslighting" me or Amy deliberately--no. I think, on the contrary, you do think on occasion we are being paranoid or crazy and both the men and the women in this equation--aka list serv are not really able to react separately from our cultural context, history. For instance, I know that ahttp://ll my life--beginning with my fairly domineering though well-meaning father--I have been trained to think of men as authorities and have had to--and consciously--fight very hard against my tendency to validate what men do, even when it disagrees with my own perspective, even my experience. And even with all this, I don't find it easy to believe I have a valid perspective. In short, I would not accuse you of deliberately trying to make us believe we are crazy, but I do think you are--albeit unconsciously--having more trouble than you recognize necessarily seeing our (by no means monolithic) cultural view as women--and are also--perhaps again unconsciously--reacting more defensively and thus perhaps more aggressively than you realize (and by "you" here I really do mean men in general); Long story short--it takes a lot to shift power even a little--viz look at the numbers a la Vida of men and women published in, oh, say the New York Review of Books, say Harper's; look again at the different reviews accorded a Jonathan Franzen and almost any women you choose mining similar territory. Can you think of a female equivalent to someone like Thomas Pynchon--or David Foster Wallace--or, more to the point, can you think of a woman who is accorded pop celebrity status as a genius while writing "difficult" work that is not exactly reader friendly in a mass market sense. Maybe Bob you don't think about these comparisons, but I do; And by the by I am not someone who wants "special treatment" for being a woman--I can be as scathing about women's writing I don't like as I can about men's. But I also feel--and this is hard to articulate--that unfortunately--impersonally, if you will--just as in the nineteenth century I would not have been allowed to vote simply because I am a women, in this century, this time period, you can't discuss all this without trying--and trying hard---to take into account these inconvenient facts of history; that's the only point I am trying to make--and actually I really don't want people to keep arguing over this or to get angrier with each other. I hope this helps answer your question-- Your loyal, & trusting friend, X Y & Z (he he he) earch the web: enhanced by _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: --static--bg_motorcycle_1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 17235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 16:22:11 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:22:11 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Conlon Narcarrow, Studies for Player Pianos (arr. for ch. ens.), etc. (Ens. Modern/Metzmacher) Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In some cases, the poems in An Introduction to the Prose Poem could fit into several different categories and the editors acknowledge this where it occurs. However, Clements and Dunham have picked what they feel to be the best category for the overarching direction of each poem. This new prose poem ?taxonomy? is important for two reasons... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I read from my work in the homes of lesbians in Knoxville, Nashville, and Memphis, Tennessee; at a conference on violence against women in Little Rock, and at a women?s cultural center in Fayetteville, Arkansas; at an MCC church in Jackson, Mississippi; at an abortion clinic in New Orleans; for college students in English and women?s studies at universities in Huntsville and Tuscaloosa and at Lodestar, the first women?s bookstore in Birmingham, Alabama. My travels were not unusual. All over the United States, women in general, and lesbians in particular, were engaging in a creative whirlwind of political and cultural work. And the Women in Print Movement was not unique?all political liberation movements must bring forward suppressed ideas and often develop cultural, literary, and journalistic organizations. The Women in Print Movement was necessary because, not surprisingly, national mainstream publishing corporations were not interested in encouraging independent women?s liberation or lesbian grass-roots organizing through germination and distribution of our work. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 6 17:16:36 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:16:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hernandez's Hoodwinked Message-ID: <8CE9AD7FD29263E-A58-5F098@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> http://www.louisville.com/content/review-sarabande-poet-david-hernandez-delivers-no-pretenses-%E2%80%9Choodwinked%E2%80%9D-books Poetry is often relegated to the dustiest shelves and the farthest reaches of our thoughts; a genre most readers slogged through begrudgingly in high school and promptly dismissed on the other side of the diploma. Poetry is ?stuffy? and ?irrelevant?, perhaps even, dare I say it, ?fussy?. But these stereotypes are true misnomers to the good name of The Poem, and deft poets, such as David Hernandez, easily vanquish such tarnishes. Hernandez?s latest collection of poems ? published by Louisville?s own Sarabande Books ? Hoodwinked, is a masterful display of the poetic voice for a modern-minded audience. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:37:22 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:37:22 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <8CE9ACF5A999E96-A58-5EA4A@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9ACF5A999E96-A58-5EA4A@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: We need to have Grumman adjust the terminology in this taxonomy: you know, make them harder to use and impossible to remember. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > > http://n2poetry.com/2011/12/27/a-look-at-prose-poetry-an-introduction-to-the-prose-poem-edited-by-brian-clements-and-jamey-dunham/ > > > Specifically, there are sections devoted to Anecdote, Object Poems, > Central Image/Central Object, Extended/Controlling Metaphor, Meditation, > Flash Poems, Aphorism, List Poems, Repetition, Variation or Development of > a Theme, Fable, Surreal Imagery/Narrative, Rant, Essayistic, Poems of > Address/Epistolary Poems, Monologue, Dialogue, Hybrid Poems, ?Free-Line? > Poems, Structural Analogues, Abecedarian, Music, Sequence, and Prose Poems > about Prose Poems, 24 in all. In some cases, the poems in An Introduction > to the Prose Poem could fit into several different categories and the > editors acknowledge this where it occurs. However, Clements and Dunham have > picked what they feel to be the best category for the overarching direction > of each poem. > > This new prose poem ?taxonomy? is important for two reasons... > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Jan 6 17:43:36 2012 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:43:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: References: <8CE9ACF5A999E96-A58-5EA4A@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Constance Urdang, who wrote some wonderful prose poems, used to call them "very short novels." On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > We need to have Grumman adjust the terminology in this taxonomy: you know, > make them harder to use and impossible to remember. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > >> >> http://n2poetry.com/2011/12/27/a-look-at-prose-poetry-an-introduction-to-the-prose-poem-edited-by-brian-clements-and-jamey-dunham/ >> >> >> Specifically, there are sections devoted to Anecdote, Object Poems, >> Central Image/Central Object, Extended/Controlling Metaphor, Meditation, >> Flash Poems, Aphorism, List Poems, Repetition, Variation or Development of >> a Theme, Fable, Surreal Imagery/Narrative, Rant, Essayistic, Poems of >> Address/Epistolary Poems, Monologue, Dialogue, Hybrid Poems, ?Free-Line? >> Poems, Structural Analogues, Abecedarian, Music, Sequence, and Prose Poems >> about Prose Poems, 24 in all. 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered What's astonishing about this taxonomy is how virtually identical it would be to a taxonomy of poetry in general. Could this reveal a hidden editorial agenda? -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered We need to have Grumman adjust the terminology in this taxonomy: you know, make them harder to use and impossible to remember. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM, wrote: http://n2poetry.com/2011/12/27/a-look-at-prose-poetry-an-introduction-to-the-prose-poem-edited-by-brian-clements-and-jamey-dunham/ Specifically, there are sections devoted to Anecdote, Object Poems, Central Image/Central Object, Extended/Controlling Metaphor, Meditation, Flash Poems, Aphorism, List Poems, Repetition, Variation or Development of a Theme, Fable, Surreal Imagery/Narrative, Rant, Essayistic, Poems of Address/Epistolary Poems, Monologue, Dialogue, Hybrid Poems, ?Free-Line? Poems, Structural Analogues, Abecedarian, Music, Sequence, and Prose Poems about Prose Poems, 24 in all. In some cases, the poems in An Introduction to the Prose Poem could fit into several different categories and the editors acknowledge this where it occurs. However, Clements and Dunham have picked what they feel to be the best category for the overarching direction of each poem. This new prose poem ?taxonomy? is important for two reasons... _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Jan 6 19:20:12 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:20:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered Message-ID: <20102843.1325895613322.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 19:25:26 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:25:26 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <20102843.1325895613322.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20102843.1325895613322.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hear! Hear!! They be poems. And I know one when I read one. There are many pretenders. - Jim On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM, wrote: > And why there's little reason for segregating them from other poems, > teaching them as if they were a different beast, erecting anthologies > theories and careers on their separateness. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Jan 6, 2012 6:37 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered > > I had that same thought in posting this. I guess one could say that is > another reason why prose poems are just poems. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 12:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered > > What's astonishing about this taxonomy is how virtually identical it > would be to a taxonomy of poetry in general. Could this reveal a hidden > editorial agenda? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered > > We need to have Grumman adjust the terminology in this taxonomy: you know, > make them harder to use and impossible to remember. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > >> >> http://n2poetry.com/2011/12/27/a-look-at-prose-poetry-an-introduction-to-the-prose-poem-edited-by-brian-clements-and-jamey-dunham/ >> >> >> Specifically, there are sections devoted to Anecdote, Object Poems, >> Central Image/Central Object, Extended/Controlling Metaphor, Meditation, >> Flash Poems, Aphorism, List Poems, Repetition, Variation or Development of >> a Theme, Fable, Surreal Imagery/Narrative, Rant, Essayistic, Poems of >> Address/Epistolary Poems, Monologue, Dialogue, Hybrid Poems, ?Free-Line? >> Poems, Structural Analogues, Abecedarian, Music, Sequence, and Prose Poems >> about Prose Poems, 24 in all. In some cases, the poems in An Introduction >> to the Prose Poem could fit into several different categories and the >> editors acknowledge this where it occurs. However, Clements and Dunham have >> picked what they feel to be the best category for the overarching direction >> of each poem. >> >> This new prose poem ?taxonomy? is important for two reasons... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 19:32:56 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:32:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C1B3D3A4CA94B6682603CDFE2B23163@BobHP> -----Original Message----- From: ahadada at gol.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:50 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill The early work earned the Knighthood in my mind--"King Log" remains a text that I return to, as I do to Hugh Macdiarmid's "On a Raised Beach," though Hugh never became a Sir. Jess I'm mildly curious as to how many poets have been knighted--for their poetry. I can't think offhand of any who have--certainly none of my favorite British poets have been. Unless Sir Walter Scott wasn't a born Sir. --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Fri Jan 6 19:59:22 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:59:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered Message-ID: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 20:14:36 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:14:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] My Newest Poem In-Reply-To: <8CE9AD7FD29263E-A58-5F098@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9AD7FD29263E-A58-5F098@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <195C1206CA3D4E2D9B8BCCE301ECE954@BobHP> Bobby?s Prose Sonnet Finding himself rafted intercontiguously with daffodil piracies against the leaden grammar of old England, three cavalry regiments bearing mints, and a tired dragon, Poem threw the flute he?d been playing into the windfree, leaf-love of a lost Sunday in June and asserted he was the monarch of the world?s first prose sonnet. Three aged women looked up from their sewing then, and cheered. One of them shyly offered the word, ?pelican,? as a rhyme for ?sonnet.? The cheer that at that point erupted left the next twelve pages of the anthology containing the sonnet in shreds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 20:18:07 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:18:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5B2AA9AC3FE94C1897AD8420FD8C48D1@BobHP> From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered Bob: One can still divide poetry into schools, concerns, whatever. Prose poems would fit into all the categories. I think I'll do an anthology of poems with lines longer than 14 syllables. And another of poems that rhyme but only abba. And another of poems that include foreign words. How about an anthology of poems with ellipses? Or with no punctuation at all? I?m afraid I?m not following you, Mark. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 20:21:13 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:21:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49FC5FA2190A4F3EA3E1F26CCC6FC3CE@BobHP> From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered Bob: One can still divide poetry into schools, concerns, whatever. Prose poems would fit into all the categories. I think I'll do an anthology of poems with lines longer than 14 syllables. And another of poems that rhyme but only abba. And another of poems that include foreign words. How about an anthology of poems with ellipses? Or with no punctuation at all? How about an anthology of texts that are not poems? What would be in it? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 6 20:23:39 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:23:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hernandez's Hoodwinked In-Reply-To: <8CE9AD7FD29263E-A58-5F098@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9AD7FD29263E-A58-5F098@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE9AF21E682B3D-7B8-63C1C@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> It occurred to me that the start of this review is a common trope of mass media reviews when dealing with poetry. First there is a need to apologize. I'm sorry, folks, but this is a poetry book...but, but, but...it's really much better than that. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 12:25 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Hernandez's Hoodwinked http://www.louisville.com/content/review-sarabande-poet-david-hernandez-delivers-no-pretenses-%E2%80%9Choodwinked%E2%80%9D-books Poetry is often relegated to the dustiest shelves and the farthest reaches of our thoughts; a genre most readers slogged through begrudgingly in high school and promptly dismissed on the other side of the diploma. Poetry is ?stuffy? and ?irrelevant?, perhaps even, dare I say it, ?fussy?. But these stereotypes are true misnomers to the good name of The Poem, and deft poets, such as David Hernandez, easily vanquish such tarnishes. Hernandez?s latest collection of poems ? published by Louisville?s own Sarabande Books ? Hoodwinked, is a masterful display of the poetic voice for a modern-minded audience. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 20:27:31 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:27:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28818648.1325897963149.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered Bob: One can still divide poetry into schools, concerns, whatever. Prose poems would fit into all the categories. I think I'll do an anthology of poems with lines longer than 14 syllables. And another of poems that rhyme but only abba. And another of poems that include foreign words. How about an anthology of poems with ellipses? Or with no punctuation at all? Sorry, Mark, but I?m having a fit of ?wittiness.? So I have another question for you: would a poem of three six-syllable lines qualify as a poem with lines longer than 14 syllables? If not, why not? Why should 6 not equal 16 just because people have always said it does? Or why shouldn?t three six-syllable lines be one eighteen-syllable line if its author says it is? No more, I promise. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only as long as none of the words rhymes with another of the words, which lets out War and Peace. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 23:25:16 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:25:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325910316.79453.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Prose Poem ?????????????? i? ???????? ? B???? a prose poem? G L?????? a prose poem O?????? a prose poem C??????? a prose poem ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? K??? ???? a prose poem ?????????? ??????????? a prose poem ???????????? a prose poem ????????????? a prose poem ?????????????? a prose poem with a beginning & an end. --- On Fri, 1/6/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 9:11 PM #yiv2143154189 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} ? ? From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:34 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered ? How about defining a prose poem as a one line poem of more than twenty syllables? ? Only as long as none of the words rhymes with another of the words, which lets out War and Peace. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jan 7 11:25:30 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:25:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 30 on coldfront Message-ID: <8CE9B701B80433D-1260-5F35C@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com> http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Jan 7 11:30:46 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:30:46 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: References: <7468198.1325900044904.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing. Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") When I think harder about that process, I see that it takes the form of testing (and often rejecting) deployments of syntactical or image units against possibilities of lineation that involve (when they don't involve a prior model, like a pentameter, for instance) things like breath, emphasis, klang association, rhythm, etc. This tends to shift a more or less mental process towards a more or less physical process (something like "what feels best to read aloud," though that isn't necessarily part of what I actually do). And here's my main point: the process isn't just a positive one (word, better word, best word; phrase, better phrase, best phrase), but also one in which elements come up against resistances in the material--in which a great many possibilities are rejected either unconsciously or consciously. These resistances or interruptions may be useful or counter-functional; and line endings, as part of the process I'm describing, tend to focus a variety of interruptions at a given point, a phenomenon I sometimes feel can't be allowed to stand. Sometimes this process of positive exploration and rejection of interruptive elements has resulted in "poems" in the form of continuous streams of language without lineation. If you looked at them, you'd probably say they look like prose; if you feel that things I write in this process of heightened work are "poems," then you might as well call these "prose poems." I'm not saying that everyone works this way, or that it's the best way to work, or that it's a definitive statement on "prose poems," which I admit are also ideological constructs in the Poetry Biz--something I despise and won't waste time chattering about. I have a piece of writing in the anthology we've been talking about, and have published my work in other collections edited by Brian Clements. I've always found him (after all, he did publish me) a very solid person, a very readable poet, and a smart editor, dedicated to his art and committed to a particular form, which he's comfortable calling "the prose poem." I don't see anything wrong with that, unless it's wrong to invest oneself narrowly rather than with as broad a focus as possible; and perhaps this formal choice is the _only_ one possible for Brian: I don't know him very well, and I've never spoken with him about that, but it does bother me to see suggestions that because he's focused a great deal of energy, as writer and editor, on one form, that his motives are disreputable. As for whether it's worth distinguishing "prose poem" from "poem" (because all poetry does the same things, or because everything is poetry), I haven't formed an opinion, except in regard to my own process. Best, Jerry On 1/6/2012 8:11 PM, bob grumman wrote: > *From:* junction at earthlink.net > *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2012 8:34 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered > How about defining a prose poem as a one line poem of more than twenty > syllables? > Only as long as none of the words rhymes with another of the words, > which lets out /War and Peace/. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 11:54:44 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> References: <7468198.1325900044904.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing stuff > that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and wouldn't fit > any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of line-structure. I've > never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose poem" except that it > feels like it works better (a terribly casual expression, I know) than any > other way I could figure to put it on paper. This involves a good deal of > trial and error. I've always tended to write along paths of intuitive > lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior syllable- or beat-model in > mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the pattern or process of > lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing with the > line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and meanings--and > their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing. Often this > means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work the "poem" > into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very much like > the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that process leads > me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some point, as > Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") > Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to say they are utterances that resist lineation? -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Jan 7 12:09:32 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 11:09:32 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: References: <7468198.1325900044904.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4F087C4C.2090401@louisiana.edu> If it helps you to put it that way I'm cool with it, Jim, but I like to maintain a little sense that I can put myself in charge of "utterances"--they don't just happen (except sometimes); I'm responsible (except sometimes). Cheers, Jerry On 1/7/2012 10:54 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: > > I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing > stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, > and wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of > line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for > a "prose poem" except that it feels like it works better (a > terribly casual expression, I know) than any other way I could > figure to put it on paper. This involves a good deal of trial and > error. I've always tended to write along paths of intuitive > lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior syllable- or > beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the > pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to > start messing with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, > rhythms, endings, and meanings--and their correlations--until I > feel better about what I'm doing. Often this means that the "poem" > works its way into expression (or: I work the "poem" into > expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very much > like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that > process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. > (And at some point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") > > > Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little > to say they are utterances that resist lineation? > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com > / > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:14:17 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:14:17 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: <4F087C4C.2090401@louisiana.edu> References: <7468198.1325900044904.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> <4F087C4C.2090401@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: I'll take them utterances any way they come. Even if they "just happen," I am responsible, having been prepared for the happening by myself and circumstance. - Jim On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > If it helps you to put it that way I'm cool with it, Jim, but I like to > maintain a little sense that I can put myself in charge of > "utterances"--they don't just happen (except sometimes); I'm responsible > (except sometimes). > > Cheers, > > Jerry > > On 1/7/2012 10:54 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing >> stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and >> wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of >> line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose >> poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual >> expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. >> This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write >> along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior >> syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the >> pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing >> with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and >> meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing.Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work >> the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very >> much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that >> process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some >> point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") >> > > Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to > say they are utterances that resist lineation? > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing >> stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and >> wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of >> line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose >> poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual >> expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. >> This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write >> along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior >> syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the >> pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing >> with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and >> meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing.Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work >> the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very >> much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that >> process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some >> point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") >> > > Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to > say they are utterances that resist lineation? > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:56:28 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:56:28 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered In-Reply-To: References: <7468198.1325900044904.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F087336.90106@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: If that poem didn't keep its muse barefoot and pregnant, then it wouldn't need welfare and food stamps. - Jim On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > When a poem isn't working, chances are it's on welfare and needs food > stamps to feed its family--plus it would probably vote Democratic if the > Republicans don't get states to start requiring photo IDs. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >> >>> I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing >>> stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and >>> wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of >>> line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose >>> poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual >>> expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. >>> This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write >>> along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior >>> syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the >>> pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing >>> with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and >>> meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing.Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work >>> the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very >>> much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that >>> process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some >>> point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") >>> >> >> Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to >> say they are utterances that resist lineation? >> >> -- Jim >> >> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >> >> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM, wrote: > Does it have to be both shod and chaste, or would one or 'tother do? I > could deal with shod and pregnant, if that would lower the rate of poetic > impovrishment. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes ** > Sent: Jan 7, 2012 1:56 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered > > If that poem didn't keep its muse barefoot and pregnant, then it wouldn't > need welfare and food stamps. > > - Jim > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> When a poem isn't working, chances are it's on welfare and needs food >> stamps to feed its family--plus it would probably vote Democratic if the >> Republicans don't get states to start requiring photo IDs. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Cervantes < >> cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >>> >>>> I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing >>>> stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and >>>> wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of >>>> line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose >>>> poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual >>>> expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. >>>> This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write >>>> along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior >>>> syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the >>>> pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing >>>> with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and >>>> meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing.Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work >>>> the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very >>>> much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that >>>> process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some >>>> point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") >>>> >>> >>> Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to >>> say they are utterances that resist lineation? >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >>> >>> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >>> >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >>> >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've put more descort stuff on my blog - http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > Tad Richards > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 00:57:20 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 06:57:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] A little chest thumping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sam is a force of nature! On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > Congratulations, Tad! > > I'm in there, too, with the twiplet, a form I made for Twitter. Sam > Gwynn's all over the place, with 9 citations, I believe. > > www.mikesnider.org > > On Jan 6, 2012, at 17:47, Tad Richards wrote: > > The 4th edition of Lew Turco's Book of Forms, just out, gives the official > Turco imprimatur to my 5-4 syllabic form. I'm also included as an exemplar > of the paradelle and the descort -- mine being perhaps the only descort > ever written. Well, as it turns out, not quite. I've put more descort stuff > on my blog - http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > Tad Richards > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Read the full text of "On the Canvas of My Mother's Mbaraezi" at: http://obododimma-oha.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-canvas-of-my-mothers-mbaraezi.html -- Obododimma Oha. -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 12:19:32 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 11:19:32 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Frank Bridge, Quartet 3 (Endellion Quartet) Serving the tri-state area. 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For more information about submission see Writers Guidelines on the Table of Contents page at Call for Submissions: Sol: English Writing in Mexico www.solliterarymagazine.com -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 8 13:36:46 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:36:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE9C4B9BD6A641-768-43957@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for posting this link, Anny. For a genre based on the visual, it sure throws off a lot of terms. Bob, I'm sure, will enumerate all the sub-classes and descriptors Huth overlooked. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:05 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus http://dbqp.blogspot.com/2005/09/visual-poetry-from-huths-intermedial.html Geof Huth's Visual Poetry Intermedial Thesaurus 3.0 -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 15:30:45 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:30:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <8CE9C4B9BD6A641-768-43957@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9C4B9BD6A641-768-43957@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Which might fundamentally be what Geof Huth wishes, just to go on a little longer... On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM, wrote: > Thanks for posting this link, Anny. For a genre based on the visual, it > sure throws off a lot of terms. > Bob, I'm sure, will enumerate all the sub-classes and descriptors Huth > overlooked. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:05 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus > > > http://dbqp.blogspot.com/2005/09/visual-poetry-from-huths-intermedial.html > > Geof Huth's Visual Poetry Intermedial Thesaurus 3.0 > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 8 17:19:38 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <8CE9C4B9BD6A641-768-43957@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9C4B9BD6A641-768-43957@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:36 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus Thanks for posting this link, Anny. For a genre based on the visual, it sure throws off a lot of terms. Bob, I'm sure, will enumerate all the sub-classes and descriptors Huth overlooked. No, my thesaurus would have far fewer terms. ?Mathematical poetry,? for instance, would not be a synonym for ?visual poetry.? 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Anything that happens? --- On Sat, 1/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 7, 2012, 2:15 PM #yiv1153008765 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Does it have to be both shod and chaste, or would one or 'tother do? I could deal with shod and pregnant, if that would lower the rate of poetic impovrishment. -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Jan 7, 2012 1:56 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose poems considered If that poem didn't keep its muse barefoot and pregnant, then it wouldn't need welfare and food stamps. - Jim On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: When a poem isn't working, chances are it's on welfare and needs food stamps to feed its family--plus it would probably vote Democratic if the Republicans don't get states to start requiring photo IDs. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Cervantes wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: I started writing "prose poems" (sometimes) when I started writing stuff that wasn't a play, wasn't a novel, wasn't a short story, and wouldn't fit any intuitive or pre-defined system or pattern of line-structure. I've never felt comfortable claiming anything for a "prose poem" except that it feels like it works better (a terribly casual expression, I know) than any other way I could figure to put it on paper. This involves a good deal of trial and error. I've always tended to write along paths of intuitive lineation, though sometimes I've had a prior syllable- or beat-model in mind, so when a "poem" isn't "working" in the pattern or process of lineation that "comes to me," I tend to start messing with the line-lengths, patterns, structures, rhythms, endings, and meanings--and their correlations--until I feel better about what I'm doing. Often this means that the "poem" works its way into expression (or: I work the "poem" into expression) in a form that doesn't look, feel, or mean very much like the first, intuitive impulse I had. And once in a while that process leads me to something unlineated, or in one long line. (And at some point, as Valery said, I abandon it: it's "done.") Pretty much the way I arrive at them, though maybe it helps a little to say they are utterances that resist lineation?? -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine:?http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Sol Literary Magazine:?http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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X ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? now ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? -- Obododimma Oha ********************************** Obododimma Oha PhD (Stylistics/War Rhetoric) MSc (Legal, Criminological, & Security Psychology) Senior Lecturer in Stylistics, Semiotics,?& Discourse Analysis Department of English, University of Ibadan & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan, NIGERIA ? --- On Sun, 1/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 5:19 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:36 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Geof Huth's Thesaurus ? Thanks for posting this link, Anny. For a genre based on the visual, it sure throws off a lot of terms. Bob, I'm sure, will enumerate all the sub-classes and descriptors Huth overlooked. ? No, my thesaurus would have far fewer terms.? ?Mathematical poetry,? for instance, would not be a synonym for ?visual poetry.?? Geof and I do not see eye to eye on what visual poetry is. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahadada at gol.com Sun Jan 8 20:07:11 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 01:07:11 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jerry McGuire Message-ID: Hey Jerry! It's been a while. Jess From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 00:20:04 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:20:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: On the Trail of Reverdy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1326086404.37958.YahooMailNeo@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "RonPadgett My memoirette of visting Reverdy sites has been republished, but this time with photos in blazing color, at http://collectedphotographs.blogspot.com/ --Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:33:38 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:33:38 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions -- On Barcelona Message-ID: *On Barcelona* Please reply to this message with, in the body of the email, short pieces of prose and/or poetry (500 words each, max.) for publication in On Barcelona . Please include in the subject line your name and On Barcelona. No queries please--you're on your own. Connections to Barcelona are not mandatory, but . . . Serving the tri-state area. 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Too often, MLK Day gets watered down (I have a dream, NO, a drink) -- ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? into a feel-good Hallmark ( you light up every day, for a Neg ro( ). Card. And even as America honors Dr. King's birthday, his dream is being gunned (haven't seen nuthin yet) down??????????????????????????? before our eyes. So we're calling for national Movement Meet-ups for MLK Day. Next week, folks all across the country ... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? will gather, reflect, and commit to rebuilding the American Dream and Dr. King's day dream in 2012 (dead DEAD D AD DRUM) . It's a great way to start the New Year right. But we need people in your area to step up and host meet-ups. We created a special video and discussion guide to make it easy! Will you host a Movement Meet-up in your community? Yes, I can n ? Not host a Movement Meet-up for MLK Day in my community. This year is sure to bring lots of suffering mother fucker hope and lots of heartbreak. Who will you connect (NO) with, to figure out what it all means? You are already a leader (Fuckin' A in your community. Your friends rely on you for insight What friends?, guidance, and political perspective. This is a chance for you to bring folks together. MLK Day is a special day to think about the past and future of America's movements for justice. The Civil Rights Movement did end with Dr. King's death. ?????????????????????????????? Many have never stopped fighting -- communities killkillkill of color, women, LGBT (Lettuce Tomato Bacon please) and immigrant rights activists,?? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? and many others have continued to demand justice and equality for all people. Can you connect more deeply with these ongoing struggles? How can today's struggle to build an economy that works for all become even bigger, more powerful, and more inclusive in 2012? What would Dr. King do, if he were alive today? ... Rot in a nursing home ... What would he do, if he were you? Our curriculum -- a short video and a simple facilitation guide -- will help you and your friends discuss these questions and more. You don't need to be an expert on Civil Rights Movement history! All you need is a living room, classroom, or other space to bring people together. Meet-ups will happen starting January 13. Can you open up a discussion in your community? Yes, I can Not host a discussion for MLK Day. This is our time to work together. 2012 is our year. Thank you for your leadership,* you weak sack of shit. That was fun.We're done, mom & dad. Jesse wants to write a balladfor his sweet heart peaches.Something real. Heart felt. & special -- Jesse knows how to shoot.Get ready, boys & girls.Goodbye, sweet peaches.? ***************************************************************************** * ? beginning with Dear Dad, and ending with you weak sack of shit, ? a corruption of an original MoveOn.Org email. ***************************************************************************** --- On Mon, 1/9/12, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions -- On Barcelona To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 12:33 AM On Barcelona? Please reply to this message with, in the body of the email, short pieces of prose and/or poetry (500 words each, max.) for publication in?On Barcelona. Please include in the subject line your name and On Barcelona.?No queries please--you're on your own. Connections to Barcelona are not mandatory, but . . . ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: Every > > > last coin > > 2 pockets > same silly heart > > money > in the bank > *** > > Before & After School > > > > Jesse wants to write a ballad. > Something to his girl peaches. > > ... when i was slimey & soft > & whacking off in my moms > souped up dungeon > > she was popping seds > & banging pops > slurping > > down > another Long Island Ice Tea. > > Jesse wants to write a ballad. > Something to his sweet heart, little peach. > > Look, a golf club. > One swing, two & three > & you 2 are dead. > > Duck, fuck-head, or U 2 could be > a young man leaving Big farewells > to mom & pop. > > Jesse fakes a putt. > Another swing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Brief History of Evolution A fish is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a sponge -- a horse is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a snake -- a monkey is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved evolved than a horse -- my anger is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than my most mature thought -- my most mature thought is carefully composing a letter of considerable restraint in the hope of understanding the angry words of his neighbor -- it runs from the house leaving a trail of curses -- door/slam. --- On Mon, 1/9/12, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 12:34 PM Thanks, Stephen. Down below you'll see what I'd like to use. (I'm passing on the typographical extravaganza.) Let me know if that's okay with you. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, stephen russell wrote: Every last coin 2 pockets same silly heart money in the bank ***? Before & After School Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his girl peaches. ... when i was slimey & soft ??? & whacking off in my moms ??? souped up dungeon ??? she was popping seds ??? & banging pops ??? slurping ??? down ??? another Long Island Ice Tea. Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his sweet heart, little peach. Look, a golf club. One swing, two & three & you 2 are dead. Duck, fuck-head, or U 2 could be a young man leaving Big farewells to mom & pop. Jesse fakes a putt. Another swing. ?? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Brief History of Evolution A fish is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a sponge -- a horse is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a snake -- a monkey is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved evolved than a horse -- my anger is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than my most mature thought -- my most mature thought is carefully composing a letter of considerable restraint in the hope of understanding the angry words of his neighbor -- it runs from the house leaving a trail of curses -- door/slam. --- On Mon, 1/9/12, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 12:34 PM Thanks, Stephen. Down below you'll see what I'd like to use. (I'm passing on the typographical extravaganza.) Let me know if that's okay with you. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, stephen russell wrote: Every last coin 2 pockets same silly heart money in the bank ***? Before & After School Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his girl peaches. ... when i was slimey & soft ??? & whacking off in my moms ??? souped up dungeon ??? she was popping seds ??? & banging pops ??? slurping ??? down ??? another Long Island Ice Tea. Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his sweet heart, little peach. Look, a golf club. One swing, two & three & you 2 are dead. Duck, fuck-head, or U 2 could be a young man leaving Big farewells to mom & pop. Jesse fakes a putt. Another swing. ?? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 14:57:01 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:57:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona In-Reply-To: <1326137592.85780.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1326136961.46814.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1326137592.85780.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okey-doke. It's up. Take a look. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > correction: a fish (small a). Capital A, delete. > > --- On *Mon, 1/9/12, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 2:22 PM > > > Looks o.k. But with the typographical cut, and the Columbine theme in the > 2nd poem, maybe a mature thought. Instead of a duet, a trio. > > A Brief History of Evolution > > > A fish is more complex > & therefore > more evolved than a sponge -- > > a horse is more complex > & therefore > more evolved than a snake -- > > a monkey is more complex > & therefore > more evolved evolved than a horse -- > > my anger is more complex > & therefore > more evolved than my most mature thought -- > > my most mature thought is carefully composing > a letter of considerable restraint in the hope of understanding the angry > words of his neighbor -- > > it runs from the house > leaving a trail of curses -- > door/slam. > > --- On *Mon, 1/9/12, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 12:34 PM > > Thanks, Stephen. Down below you'll see what I'd like to use. (I'm passing > on the typographical extravaganza.) Let me know if that's okay with you. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Every > > > last coin > > 2 pockets > same silly heart > > money > in the bank > > > *** > > > Before & After School > > > > Jesse wants to write a ballad. > Something to his girl peaches. > > ... when i was slimey & soft > & whacking off in my moms > souped up dungeon > > she was popping seds > & banging pops > slurping > > down > another Long Island Ice Tea. > > Jesse wants to write a ballad. > Something to his sweet heart, little peach. > > Look, a golf club. > One swing, two & three > & you 2 are dead. > > Duck, fuck-head, or U 2 could be > a young man leaving Big farewells > to mom & pop. > > Jesse fakes a putt. > Another swing. > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttps://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, stephen russell wrote: correction: a fish (small a). Capital A, delete. --- On Mon, 1/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 2:22 PM Looks o.k. But with the typographical cut, and the Columbine theme in the 2nd poem, maybe a mature thought. Instead of a duet, a trio. A Brief History of Evolution A fish is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a sponge -- a horse is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than a snake -- a monkey is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved evolved than a horse -- my anger is more complex ? ? ? ? & therefore more evolved than my most mature thought -- my most mature thought is carefully composing a letter of considerable restraint in the hope of understanding the angry words of his neighbor -- it runs from the house leaving a trail of curses -- door/slam. --- On Mon, 1/9/12, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stephen Russell On Barcelona To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 12:34 PM Thanks, Stephen. Down below you'll see what I'd like to use. (I'm passing on the typographical extravaganza.) Let me know if that's okay with you. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, stephen russell wrote: Every last coin 2 pockets same silly heart money in the bank ***? Before & After School Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his girl peaches. ... when i was slimey & soft ??? & whacking off in my moms ??? souped up dungeon ??? she was popping seds ??? & banging pops ??? slurping ??? down ??? another Long Island Ice Tea. Jesse wants to write a ballad. Something to his sweet heart, little peach. Look, a golf club. One swing, two & three & you 2 are dead. Duck, fuck-head, or U 2 could be a young man leaving Big farewells to mom & pop. Jesse fakes a putt. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 14:36:06 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:36:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaven & Hell Message-ID: http://www.thescreamonline.com/poetry/poetry7-4/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great visuals combined with extreme subject matter. Halvard edited a Columbine poem of mine. It was an ugly tatooed thing on steroids. Maybe there's still a place for punk poetry. --- On Tue, 1/10/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaven & Hell To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 2:36 PM http://www.thescreamonline.com/poetry/poetry7-4/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 20:42:39 2012 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:42:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tullamore Rhymers Club ::: Relaunched in 2012!!! Message-ID: <1326246159.20191.YahooMailClassic@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://writingsinrhyme.com/Blog.php?Tullamore_Rhymers_Club_Official_Re-Launch The Tullamore Rhymers Club were relauched tonight at the home of member Ken Hume. The Rhymers Club is named after the one founded in London at the end of the 19th Century, and its members hope for the promotion of poetry in the area, with particular intrest being poets who write in rhyme. It is hoped to publish chap books of poetry from the writers group. Meetings are set to be monthly, with informal gatherings in between if needed. New members are encouraged to join who live in the area. The group was initialy put together in 2010, but efforts to get writers group actually meeting failed for a variety of reasons, from work to venue issues. So as the first new year resolution actually kept, tonight we actually got it together!!! A report on the night is at the link above. Selections from each writer can be read on past issues of Cartys Poetry Journal. "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 11 10:07:03 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:07:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Burt on Spahr, Gordon, Moschovakis & Ossip Message-ID: <8CE9E89CFAA0079-ED4-DADA9@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> http://www.thenation.com/article/165424/anxious-and-paralyzed-spahr-gordon-moschovakis-and-ossip Take the ?astonishment and fatigue?activated in tandem? by repetitive, illimitable systems, a description offered several years ago by the poet and critic Sianne Ngai as a diagnosis of the ?stuplimity? found in the work of Samuel Beckett and Gertrude Stein. Or take the ?new depthlessness,? along with ?complacent eclecticism,? that Fredric Jameson identified in 1991 as part of the giddy postmodern sublime. Take the helpless, angry, guilty sadness you might feel when thinking about man-made climatological doom, or the anxious dedication (nose to the keyboard, glance over the shoulder) you might bring to a fascinating but insecure and fairly technical job. All these compounds of feeling color new books of poems by Juliana Spahr, Noah Eli Gordon, Anna Moschovakis and Kathleen Ossip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 11:59:18 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:59:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Last Vispo Anthology Message-ID: http://www.thelastvispo.com/2011/03/10/151/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 12:00:15 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:00:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry with Mathematics Message-ID: CELEBRATE poetry-with-mathematics in Boston: On Friday, January 6, 5-7 PM, in Room 312 of Boston?s Hynes Convention Center, is scheduled ?A Reading of Poetry with Mathematics,? sponsored by the *Journal of Humanistic Mathematics * and open to all. (This particular conference event is free and does not require registration for the Joint Mathematics Meetings.) All poets, mathematicians, and others are welcomed. Poets on the program already include WOMPOs Carol Dorf (read by Elizabeth Langosy), JoAnne Growney, Judith Johnson, and Jacqueline Lapidus. An open reading portion of the program invites participation by others as well. Hope to see you there! ** * * * * * *JoAnne Growney Silver Spring, MD; more information at** ** http://joannegrowney.com* * .* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 17:43:22 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:43:22 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Burt on Spahr, Gordon, Moschovakis & Ossip In-Reply-To: <8CE9E89CFAA0079-ED4-DADA9@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9E89CFAA0079-ED4-DADA9@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I shared this on Facebook. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM, wrote: > http://www.thenation.com/article/165424/anxious-and-paralyzed-spahr-gordon-moschovakis-and-ossip > Take the ?astonishment and fatigue?activated in tandem? by repetitive, illimitable systems, a description offered several years ago by the poet and critic Sianne Ngai as a diagnosis of the ?stuplimity? found in the work of Samuel Beckett and Gertrude Stein. Or take the ?new depthlessness,? along with ?complacent eclecticism,? that Fredric Jameson identified in 1991 as part of the giddy postmodern sublime. Take the helpless, angry, guilty sadness you might feel when thinking about man-made climatological doom, or the anxious dedication (nose to the keyboard, glance over the shoulder) you might bring to a fascinating but insecure and fairly technical job. > > All these compounds of feeling color new books of poems by Juliana Spahr, Noah Eli Gordon, Anna Moschovakis and Kathleen Ossip > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 11 18:43:14 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:43:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline Message-ID: <8CE9ED1EBC906B1-A1C-DEB89@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> Trampoline Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. And it would only be by some childish trust or adult delusion that each time my feet hit the ground, I would bounce up again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 19:12:52 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <8CE9ED1EBC906B1-A1C-DEB89@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1326327172.13218.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. And it would only be by some childish trust or adult delusion that each time my feet hit the ground, I would bounce up again. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 19:23:34 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:23:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <1326327172.13218.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326327814.62937.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. And it would only be by some childish trust or adult delusion that each time my feet hit the ground, I would bounce up again. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 21:16:04 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:16:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <1326327814.62937.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326334564.98277.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. And it would only be by some childish trust or adult delusion that each time my feet hit the ground, I would bounce up again. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 22:54:30 2012 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:54:30 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry with Mathematics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's a report on the event by Elizabeth Langosy in *Talking Writing, *and I have an essay on mathematical poetry in there as well. http://talkingwriting.com/?p=28311 Here's the start: *Poetry shares with mathematics* the ability to compress big ideas?even the entire universe?into very small forms. In her poem ?Pi,? Nobel Prize winner Wislawa Szymborska confronts questions of scale by exploring the expansion of Pi: How feeble the star?s ray, bent by bumping up against space!? Later she says Pi does not ?stop at the page?s edge.? In other words, the small symbol *?* holds within it a sense of infinite meanings. ... On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > CELEBRATE poetry-with-mathematics in Boston: > > > > On Friday, January 6, 5-7 PM, in Room 312 of Boston?s Hynes Convention > Center, is scheduled ?A Reading of Poetry with Mathematics,? sponsored by > the *Journal of Humanistic Mathematics > * and open to all. (This particular conference event is free and does > not require registration for the Joint Mathematics Meetings.) > All poets, mathematicians, and others are welcomed. > > Poets on the program already include WOMPOs Carol Dorf (read by Elizabeth > Langosy), JoAnne Growney, Judith Johnson, and Jacqueline Lapidus. > > An open reading portion of the program invites participation by others as > well. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > ** * * * * * > > *JoAnne Growney Silver Spring, MD; more information at** ** > http://joannegrowney.com* * .* > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 00:39:10 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:39:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <1326334564.98277.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326346750.90292.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Then I put some work into it. This is my favorite version that isn't your poem, though I'm not sure if it ranks with the original -- Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 9:16 PM I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. And it would only be by some childish trust or adult delusion that each time my feet hit the ground, I would bounce up again. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 00:47:59 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:47:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <1326346750.90292.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326347279.96916.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... less whimsical, less surreal than the original ... called I think ... The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:39 AM Then I put some work into it. This is my favorite version that isn't your poem, though I'm not sure if it ranks with the original -- Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 9:16 PM I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. 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The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:39 AM Then I put some work into it. This is my favorite version that isn't your poem, though I'm not sure if it ranks with the original -- Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 9:16 PM I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. 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The Man Who Fell To Earth by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with three flat tires ... bills ... a mortgage I might never reach the bottom of, not to mention business dates & migranes scheduled around the clock. & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 1:04 AM but that version didn't make it either ... hopefully this -- #yiv2025635587 body, #yiv2025635587 td, #yiv2025635587 input {font-family:arial;font-size:16px;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587container {padding:5px 20px;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587header h2 {font-size:27px;color:rgb(208, 208, 208);margin:22px 0pt 10px;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform {width:470px;margin:0pt;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input {font-size:18px;border:1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170);color:rgb(170, 170, 170);}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input:hover, #yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input:focus, #yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input:active {border:1px solid rgb(136, 136, 136);color:rgb(0, 0, 0);}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input.yiv2025635587searchbox {padding:4px;width:300px;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform input.yiv2025635587searchbutton {padding:3px 10px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform div.yiv2025635587poweredby {float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform div.yiv2025635587poweredby span {font-size:10px;}#yiv2025635587 #yiv2025635587searchform div.yiv2025635587poweredby img {width:60px;} The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills, three flat tires, a mortgage I might never reach the bottom of, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? not to mention business dates & migranes scheduled around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:47 AM ... less whimsical, less surreal than the original ... called I think ... The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:39 AM Then I put some work into it. This is my favorite version that isn't your poem, though I'm not sure if it ranks with the original -- Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 9:16 PM I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. 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David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012, 0:32 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill -----Original Message----- From: ahadada at gol.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:50 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill The early work earned the Knighthood in my mind--"King Log" remains a text that I return to, as I do to Hugh Macdiarmid's "On a Raised Beach," though Hugh never became a Sir.? Jess I'm mildly curious as to how many poets have been knighted--for their poetry.? I can't think offhand of any who have--certainly none of my favorite British poets have been.? 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His first hop caught me > off guard so that I groaned and laughed. > But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs > to absorb the shock of his small feet > and he sprang up even higher in delight. > It was then I resolved that whenever it was that > I got to my feet, the whole world would be > my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, > no matter the hard pavement or how close > the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily > I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars > and roofs, so people could see me. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 10:58:50 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:58:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline In-Reply-To: <1326350359.45915.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326383930.77670.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> of course, at some point, it's possible i may have to say it's after so & so since the poem is written in the manner of a voice other than my own, or a style, other than my own. No, that isn't it either. The style and voice are mine.? The poem is simply a different version of the original. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 1:39 AM no, not that version, but this, and then I'm finished for the night ... vote for it on Goodreads ... Amy moderates ... The Man Who Fell To Earth by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with three flat tires ... bills ... a mortgage I might never reach the bottom of, not to mention business dates & migranes scheduled around the clock. & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 1:04 AM but that version didn't make it either ... hopefully this -- #yiv1493922834 body, #yiv1493922834 td, #yiv1493922834 input {font-family:arial;font-size:16px;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834container {padding:5px 20px;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834header h2 {font-size:27px;color:rgb(208, 208, 208);margin:22px 0pt 10px;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform {width:470px;margin:0pt;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input {font-size:18px;border:1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170);color:rgb(170, 170, 170);}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input:hover, #yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input:focus, #yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input:active {border:1px solid rgb(136, 136, 136);color:rgb(0, 0, 0);}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input.yiv1493922834searchbox {padding:4px;width:300px;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform input.yiv1493922834searchbutton {padding:3px 10px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform div.yiv1493922834poweredby {float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform div.yiv1493922834poweredby span {font-size:10px;}#yiv1493922834 #yiv1493922834searchform div.yiv1493922834poweredby img {width:60px;} The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills, three flat tires, a mortgage I might never reach the bottom of, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? not to mention business dates & migranes scheduled around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:47 AM ... less whimsical, less surreal than the original ... called I think ... The Man Who Fell To Earth ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Thu, 1/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, January 12, 2012, 12:39 AM Then I put some work into it. This is my favorite version that isn't your poem, though I'm not sure if it ranks with the original -- Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... the puppy jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor, above politics, above religion, above commerce, a place where we playfully tuned in to one another, as though I too could become a trampoline & less a man with bills & appointments around the clock -- & as my mind kept spinning, the earth maintained its dismal orbit, & sooner than I thought the wife scolded me for something I didn't do, the baby cried, & my sore feet burned with an odor that only now I had the presence of mind to notice. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 9:16 PM I also like this version: Living Room Floor by Stephen Russell ... my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE, jumped with pure glee -- His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served. --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:23 PM of course, I would have to extend the metaphor ... --- On Wed, 1/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 7:12 PM Your version of your poem is good. My version is just as good -- Living Room Floor ? my poodle jumped on my stomach like I was a human tRaMpOlinE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? jumped with pure glee ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? His first hop caught me above the great canopies of human endeavor because earth, too, must be served -- --- On Wed, 1/11/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Trampoline To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 6:43 PM Trampoline ? ? Don?t ask me why I was lying on the floor, but because I was lying on my back, a child jumped on my stomach like I was a human trampoline, jumped with pure glee and abandon. His first hop caught me off guard so that I groaned and laughed. But by the rebound I?d tensed my abs to absorb the shock of his small feet and he sprang up even higher in delight. It was then I resolved that whenever it was that I got to my feet, the whole world would be my trampoline. I?d no longer walk, I would bound about, no matter the hard pavement or how close the dark sky, I?d jounce or bodily I?d drum upon this planetary orb. Over cars and roofs, so people could see me. Above the great canopies of oak and maple I?d rise but always and also I?d fall, because earth, too, must be served. 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And, now, once again, she is completely innocent of these frame-up charges and professional defamations! Angye Gaona, in a number of articles and interviews, has passionately defended the cause of Colombian Indians, many of whom are being killed by paramilitary gangs on orders of the land developers. Angye has denounced these mass-killings as "genocide." Also, Angye has defended the cause of working class people and their unions, who are constantly being repressed by the industrial conglomerates in Colombia, supported by the government and its Yankee sponsor. Indeed, she has denounced the present Colombian government as "a terrorist government." If nothing is done, her trial may have a dramatic and tragic outcome. Indeed, Colombia is known for its dreadful political trials. At the moment some 7,000 political prisoners serve long sentences in terrible and overcrowded prisons. Therefore, it is necessary to try to make known to the Colombian judiciary officials that Angye's case is being followed closely worldwide. At the moment, it is important that the examining judge receives many letters, letters asking for a fair trial. If you want to write such a letter, the address is as follows ... Al Sr. Juez de Conocimiento, Centro de Servicios Juzgado ?nico Penal del Circuito Especializado De Cartagena Adjunto Centro Barrio San Diego, Calle De La Cruz No 9-42, Antiguo Colegio Panamericano 2? Piso, Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, South America Also, you may send a copy of your letter, by e-mail or postal mail, to the ambassador or consul for Colombia in your own country, to increase the pressure. For your information, I add two links on the case, one in Spanish and the other in French ... http://libertesconquises.blogspot.com/2012/01/mobilisation-pour-la-poete-colombienne.html http://www.facebook.com/events/316979401670258/ Hasta la victoria, siempre ! S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _____________________________________ From halvard at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 13:52:59 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:52:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Luciano Berio, Duetti per due violini (Alexander Bulov; Ilya Gringolts) (2001) Serving the tri-state area. 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William Empson and John Betjeman, Bob, although the former was equally noted for his prose and the latter for his tv presence. And then there's Sir Andrew. There was also the case of Dame Edith Sitwell. ? David Bircumshaw ? Thanks, David.? William Empson is a surprise.? Betjeman is the sort I would think would get knighted. ? --Bob ? ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 14:53:00 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:53:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: The frame-up trial of a Colombian poet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1326397980.98805.YahooMailNeo@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: S?amas Cain < The poet Angye Gaona has been charged formally by the Colombian government prosecutors.? She is accused of "Rebellion" and "drug trafficking."? The prosecutors have indicated that this frame-up trial will begin on 23 January 2012 at the special criminal court in Cartagena de Indias. Angye Gaona is completely innocent of these charges!? But she is considered a nuisance by the ultra-conservative government because her writings, interviews, and speeches have had a considerable influence on young Colombians.? But "crime" and "drug trafficking," no, not at all! Angye was unexpectedly arrested in January of last year without any written or formal charge, but was released on caution in July after much international pressure.? And, now, once again, she is completely innocent of these frame-up charges and professional defamations! Angye Gaona, in a number of articles and interviews, has passionately defended the cause of Colombian Indians, many of whom are being killed by paramilitary gangs on orders of the land developers.? Angye has denounced these mass-killings as "genocide." Also, Angye has defended the cause of working class people and their unions, who are constantly being repressed by the industrial conglomerates in Colombia, supported by the government and its Yankee sponsor.? Indeed, she has denounced the present Colombian government as "a terrorist government." If nothing is done, her trial may have a dramatic and tragic outcome. Indeed, Colombia is known for its dreadful political trials.? At the moment some 7,000 political prisoners serve long sentences in terrible and overcrowded prisons. Therefore, it is necessary to try to make known to the Colombian judiciary officials that Angye's case is being followed closely worldwide. At the moment, it is important that the examining judge receives many letters, letters asking for a fair trial.? If you want to write such a letter, the address is as follows ... Al Sr. Juez de Conocimiento, Centro de Servicios Juzgado ?nico Penal del Circuito Especializado De Cartagena Adjunto Centro Barrio San Diego, Calle De La Cruz No 9-42, Antiguo Colegio Panamericano 2? Piso, Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, South America Also, you may send a copy of your letter, by e-mail or postal mail, to the ambassador or consul for Colombia in your own country, to increase the pressure. For your information, I add two links on the case, one in Spanish and the other in French ... http://libertesconquises.blogspot.com/2012/01/mobilisation-pour-la-poete-colombienne.html http://www.facebook.com/events/316979401670258/ Hasta la victoria, siempre ! S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 12 20:45:36 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:45:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] After football, Fischer at bama Message-ID: <8CE9FAC2E01EE52-1250-F9613@webmail-m150.sysops.aol.com> http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120112/NEWS/120119946 Poet and Zen Buddhist priest Zoketsu Norman Fischer will return to the University of Alabama campus for three days next week to read from his newest book of poetry, ?Conflict.? Fischer, who has appeared on ?The Oprah Winfrey Show? and held conferences with the Dalai Lama, will also lead discussions and meditation sessions. As with his previous two visits, Fischer is coming courtesy of his friendship with Hank Lazer, executive director of Creative Campus, which is sponsoring the events. Like Fischer, Lazer is a poet who is often termed experimental. They met about 20 years ago as part of a reading in San Francisco. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 10:45:24 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:45:24 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for work: On Barcelona Message-ID: :: On Barcelona calls for work (poetry, prose, mostly under 500 wds. each--and not necessarily related to Barcelona, except in the way that everything relates to everything else. Send to me at halvard at gmail.com. On Barcelona Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:46:10 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:46:10 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?windows-1252?q?What_Rhymes_With_=91Undead=92=3F_So?= =?windows-1252?q?me_Poets_Know?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And congratulations to fieralingue! - Jim On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/books/zombie-poetry-takes-on-a-life-of-its-own.html?_r=1 > > With ?Aim for the Head,? zombie poetry makes its first bid, in printed > form, for serious attention. Over all, the genre has struggled to rise > above the gross-out, mass-murder sensibility of comic books and video > games, with the exception of Tom Beckett?s ?Little Book of Zombie Poems,? > published online at fieralingue.it/documenti/lbzp.pdf. > > > Congrats to Tom Beckett! > Anny > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:50:45 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:50:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?windows-1252?q?What_Rhymes_With_=91Undead=92=3F_So?= =?windows-1252?q?me_Poets_Know?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you James, pround, i.e. as proud as a pound, as a pond, a proustite! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > And congratulations to fieralingue! > > - Jim > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/books/zombie-poetry-takes-on-a-life-of-its-own.html?_r=1 >> >> With ?Aim for the Head,? zombie poetry makes its first bid, in printed >> form, for serious attention. Over all, the genre has struggled to rise >> above the gross-out, mass-murder sensibility of comic books and video >> games, with the exception of Tom Beckett?s ?Little Book of Zombie Poems,? >> published online at fieralingue.it/documenti/lbzp.pdf. >> >> >> Congrats to Tom Beckett! >> Anny >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Over all, the genre has struggled to rise above the gross-out, mass-murder sensibility of comic books and video games, with the exception of Tom Beckett?s ?Little Book of Zombie Poems,? published online at fieralingue.it/documenti/lbzp.pdf. > > Congrats to Tom Beckett! > Anny > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some Poets Know To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 11:06 PM I second that! www.mikesnider.org On Jan 13, 2012, at 14:46, James Cervantes wrote: And congratulations to fieralingue! - Jim On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/books/zombie-poetry-takes-on-a-life-of-its-own.html?_r=1 With ?Aim for the Head,? zombie poetry makes its first bid, in printed form, for serious attention. Over all, the genre has struggled to rise above the gross-out, mass-murder sensibility of comic books and video games, with the exception of Tom Beckett?s ?Little Book of Zombie Poems,? published online at fieralingue.it/documenti/lbzp.pdf. Congrats to Tom Beckett! Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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The text reads, "Save me, Lord, from eternal death," and the music brings the return of the *Dies Irae* terror and then ultimate resignation as the words die out into uncertainty about what lies ahead. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 15 13:01:07 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:01:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay Message-ID: <8CEA1C6CA6FED1E-D9C-1011A3@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 13:07:39 2012 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:07:39 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay In-Reply-To: <8CEA1C6CA6FED1E-D9C-1011A3@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEA1C6CA6FED1E-D9C-1011A3@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Unless you're from Illinois, and then you DEFINITELY know about Lindsay... so perhaps, performance poets, Illinoisans, modernist scholars, people who know about film, vs. other? On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html > > Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, > W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore > the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. > Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was > the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. > > Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two > groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 13:13:04 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:13:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Lucky #17 Message-ID: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Coldfront's?Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 Loads of lovely books on this list - happy to be in good company! ? http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 17.?I Want To Make You Safe,?Amy King Litmus Press ??a lack of hate to push death into.? Walt Whitman made us feel safe, calling that ?death is great as life,? imparting that if we ever need him, we can find him. Amy King?s love is just as wide, her breath more modern. In?I Want to Make You Safe, her best book yet, King is both warm and tactically evasive. She goes from conversational to abstract to personal with impressive fluidity, creating absorbing tones and swells in the course of a poem. Her methods will sometimes remind you of great poets like Rae Armantrout or Ange Mlinko, but runnier; she might also remind you of John Ashbery, who blurbs here, claiming King is ?emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living.? He is right, and ultimately, any comparison is reductive. King wavers between obscurity and candor, creating a dissonance that is completely unique, that derives from a singularly productive and skeptical mix of unconditional love and ferocious social conscience: ?Nothing desired is property, / nothing given, given, we lie in glass sheds.? Her book is not a self-serving venture, but a collective surge towards ?a lack of hate to push death into.? Read a review?here. ?John Deming ? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 13:19:51 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Death, Is Always Message-ID: <1326651591.67562.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Brian Spears Today in Rumpus Poetry, a terrific poem by?Amy King. ?Death, Is Always,? A Rumpus Original Poem By Amy King - The Rumpus.nettherumpus.net http://therumpus.net/2012/01/death-is-always-a-rumpus-original-poem-by-amy-king/ ? 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Message-ID: <1326652076.96951.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> PEN American - Weekly Roundup: ?"Whenever I hear the word 'war,' I reach for my checkbook..." ?@ PEN - http://www.pen.org/blog/?p=7671? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Jan 15 13:49:17 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:49:17 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay In-Reply-To: <1084033.1326651836069.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1084033.1326651836069.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F131FAD.1020503@louisiana.edu> There's certainly an historical significance to Lindsay's work in relation to spoken word, to "celebrity poetry," and to general poetics. I also stumbled on him early in life and was taken by his boom-boom rhythmic sense--but even then there was something troubling about his aesthetic sensibility. And while I agree that there are some pretty charming pieces to be found if you slog through his collected works (I really like "The Drunkard's Funeral"), I tend to think mostly that he exemplifies some of the things that can go wrong if you dedicate too much of your energy to making the sound of your poems attractive to live audiences. He's also quite distinguished, I think, by his remarkably dramatic and macabre suicide. Best, Jerry On 1/15/2012 12:23 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > I read Lindsay when I was a kid, starting about age 9, but his work > gets pretty old pretty quickly. He survives mainly in Ives' great > setting of his "General William Booth Enters into Heaven." > > His non-performative pieces can be very sweet, for better or worse. > "The Flower-Fed Buffalo" is both lovely and perhaps crippled by > nostalgia for what was a very recent past. It was widely anthologized. > > The flower-fed buffaloes of the spring > In the days of long ago, > Ranged where the locomotives sing > And the prairie flowers lie low; > The tossing, blooming, perfumed grass > Is swept away by wheat, > Wheels and wheels and wheels spin by > In the spring that still is sweet. > But the flower-fed buffaloes of the spring > Left us long ago. > They gore no more, they bellow no more, > They trundle around the hills no more: > With the Blackfeet lying low, > With the Pawnees lying low. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html > > Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in > Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, "What are we going > to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?" That young poet > was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats' recognition of something unusual in the > style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in > American literary history. > > Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided > into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and > those who don't. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theoldmole at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 14:08:44 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:08:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lucky #17 In-Reply-To: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2012, at 1:13 PM, amy king wrote: > Coldfront's Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 > > Loads of lovely books on this list - happy to be in good company! > > http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 > > > > 17. I Want To Make You Safe, Amy King > Litmus Press > ??a lack of hate to push death into.? > Walt Whitman made us feel safe, calling that ?death is great as life,? imparting that if we ever need him, we can find him. Amy King?s love is just as wide, her breath more modern. In I Want to Make You Safe, her best book yet, King is both warm and tactically evasive. She goes from conversational to abstract to personal with impressive fluidity, creating absorbing tones and swells in the course of a poem. Her methods will sometimes remind you of great poets like Rae Armantrout or Ange Mlinko, but runnier; she might also remind you of John Ashbery, who blurbs here, claiming King is ?emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living.? He is right, and ultimately, any comparison is reductive. King wavers between obscurity and candor, creating a dissonance that is completely unique, that derives from a singularly productive and skeptical mix of unconditional love and ferocious social conscience: ?Nothing desired is property, / nothing given, given, we lie in glass sheds.? Her book is not a self-serving venture, but a collective surge towards ?a lack of hate to push death into.? > Read a review here. > ?John Deming > > > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." > --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theoldmole at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 14:05:46 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:05:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Death, Is Always In-Reply-To: <1326651591.67562.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1326651591.67562.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54A5DF1A-FC76-4330-92B9-30E3919A41AF@gmail.com> Yes. Terrific poem, Amy. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2012, at 1:19 PM, amy king wrote: > > Brian Spears > Today in Rumpus Poetry, a terrific poem by Amy King. > > ?Death, Is Always,? A Rumpus Original Poem By Amy King - The Rumpus.net > therumpus.net > > http://therumpus.net/2012/01/death-is-always-a-rumpus-original-poem-by-amy-king/ > > > > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." > --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Jan 15 14:20:30 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:20:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay Message-ID: <32747337.1326655230417.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 15 14:26:25 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:26:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay In-Reply-To: <4F131FAD.1020503@louisiana.edu> References: <1084033.1326651836069.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F131FAD.1020503@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CEA1D2B4ECB9D7-D9C-101ADE@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> There is this literary anecdote (from Wikipedia) regarding the 'discovery' of Langston Hughes, which I've always found endearing... In November 1924, Hughes returned to the U. S. to live with his mother in Washington, D.C. Hughes worked at various odd jobs before gaining a white-collar job in 1925 as a personal assistant to the historian Carter G. Woodson at the Association for the Study of African American Life and History. As the work demands limited his time for writing, Hughes quit the position to work as a busboy at the Wardman Park Hotel. There he encountered the poet Vachel Lindsay, with whom he shared some poems. Impressed with the poems, Lindsay publicized his discovery of a new black poet. By this time, Hughes's earlier work had been published in magazines and was about to be collected into his first book of poetry. -- Lindsay's gesture could be characterized as patronizing as well. And yet, Lindsay, born in the same year as Wallace Stevens, I'm sure was the more generous soul. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 8:49 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay There's certainly an historical significance to Lindsay's work in relation to spoken word, to "celebrity poetry," and to general poetics. I also stumbled on him early in life and was taken by his boom-boom rhythmic sense--but even then there was something troubling about his aesthetic sensibility. And while I agree that there are some pretty charming pieces to be found if you slog through his collected works (I really like "The Drunkard's Funeral"), I tend to think mostly that he exemplifies some of the things that can go wrong if you dedicate too much of your energy to making the sound of your poems attractive to live audiences. He's also quite distinguished, I think, by his remarkably dramatic and macabre suicide. Best, Jerry On 1/15/2012 12:23 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: I read Lindsay when I was a kid, starting about age 9, but his work gets pretty old pretty quickly. He survives mainly in Ives' great setting of his "General William Booth Enters into Heaven." His non-performative pieces can be very sweet, for better or worse. "The Flower-Fed Buffalo" is both lovely and perhaps crippled by nostalgia for what was a very recent past. It was widely anthologized. The flower-fed buffaloes of the spring In the days of long ago, Ranged where the locomotives sing And the prairie flowers lie low; The tossing, blooming, perfumed grass Is swept away by wheat, Wheels and wheels and wheels spin by In the spring that still is sweet. But the flower-fed buffaloes of the spring Left us long ago. They gore no more, they bellow no more, They trundle around the hills no more: With the Blackfeet lying low, With the Pawnees lying low. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm with Conrad. ... having said all that, I know little Lindsay ...? --- On Sun, 1/15/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:01 PM http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
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The twenties also saw Sandburg's collections of American folklore, the ballads in /The American Songbag/ and /The New American Songbag/ (1950), and books for children. These later volumes contained pieces collected from brief tours across America which Sandburg took each year, playing his banjo or guitar, singing folk-songs, and reciting poems. As for the rest, it's odd that I've never felt that Thomas's poems suffered from his performance celebrity--maybe because I've been such a bedazzled admirer of his best work. I vaguely remember in my first year of college reading an essay in which he claimed a kind of comprehensive freedom to pick and choose and deploy strategies of all kinds in his poems--a model I'm very sympathetic to, and which, together with his emphatic flamboyance, have probably led me to overlook some of his excesses. Jerry On 1/15/2012 1:20 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > The same might be said of Sandburg and Dylan Thomas. > > Jerry: do you know when Sandburg and his guitar started hitting the > lecture circuit? > > To be fair, Sandburg was pitching a very different version of populism. > > Best, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay > > There's certainly an historical significance to Lindsay's work in > relation to spoken word, to "celebrity poetry," and to general > poetics. I also stumbled on him early in life and was taken by his > boom-boom rhythmic sense--but even then there was something > troubling about his aesthetic sensibility. And while I agree that > there are some pretty charming pieces to be found if you slog > through his collected works (I really like "The Drunkard's > Funeral"), I tend to think mostly that he exemplifies some of the > things that can go wrong if you dedicate too much of your energy > to making the sound of your poems attractive to live audiences. > > He's also quite distinguished, I think, by his remarkably dramatic > and macabre suicide. > > Best, > > Jerry > > > > On 1/15/2012 12:23 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> I read Lindsay when I was a kid, starting about age 9, but his >> work gets pretty old pretty quickly. He survives mainly in Ives' >> great setting of his "General William Booth Enters into Heaven." >> >> His non-performative pieces can be very sweet, for better or >> worse. "The Flower-Fed Buffalo" is both lovely and perhaps >> crippled by nostalgia for what was a very recent past. It was >> widely anthologized. >> >> The flower-fed buffaloes of the spring >> In the days of long ago, >> Ranged where the locomotives sing >> And the prairie flowers lie low; >> The tossing, blooming, perfumed grass >> Is swept away by wheat, >> Wheels and wheels and wheels spin by >> In the spring that still is sweet. >> But the flower-fed buffaloes of the spring >> Left us long ago. >> They gore no more, they bellow no more, >> They trundle around the hills no more: >> With the Blackfeet lying low, >> With the Pawnees lying low. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jforjames at aol.com >> Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay >> >> http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html >> >> Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform >> in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, "What are >> we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?" >> That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats' recognition of >> something unusual in the style of the performance was the >> beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. >> >> Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be >> divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and >> his work, and those who don't. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 16:25:11 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:25:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay Message-ID: <1326662711.68562.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Folk lore is big in D.C., especially at Howard. There, Zora Neil Hurston majored in anthropology. & Sterling A. Brown has revived regional dialects in his blues poems. This was also a speciality of J Synge, as he revived various regional dialects from Ireland. --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 4:13 PM I don't know for sure when Sandburg did his troubador stuff, but here's a note from the Poets.org site: ??? In the twenties, he started some of his most ambitious projects, including his study of Abraham Lincoln. From childhood, Sandburg loved ??? and admired the legacy of President Lincoln. For thirty years he sought out and collected material, and gradually began the writing of the ??? six-volume definitive biography of the former president. The twenties also saw Sandburg's collections of American folklore, the ballads ???? in The American Songbag and The New American Songbag (1950), and books for children. These later volumes contained pieces collected ??? from brief tours across America which Sandburg took each year, playing his banjo or guitar, singing folk-songs, and reciting poems. As for the rest, it's odd that I've never felt that Thomas's poems suffered from his performance celebrity--maybe because I've been such a bedazzled admirer of his best work. I vaguely remember in my first year of college reading an essay in which he claimed a kind of comprehensive freedom to pick and choose and deploy strategies of all kinds in his poems--a model I'm very sympathetic to, and which, together with his emphatic flamboyance, have probably led me to overlook some of his excesses. Jerry On 1/15/2012 1:20 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: #yiv1263316230 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}The same might be said of Sandburg and Dylan Thomas. Jerry: do you know when Sandburg and his guitar started hitting the lecture circuit? To be fair, Sandburg was pitching a very different version of populism. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay There's certainly an historical significance to Lindsay's work in relation to spoken word, to "celebrity poetry," and to general poetics. I also stumbled on him early in life and was taken by his boom-boom rhythmic sense--but even then there was something troubling about his aesthetic sensibility. And while I agree that there are some pretty charming pieces to be found if you slog through his collected works (I really like "The Drunkard's Funeral"), I tend to think mostly that he exemplifies some of the things that can go wrong if you dedicate too much of your energy to making the sound of your poems attractive to live audiences. He's also quite distinguished, I think, by his remarkably dramatic and macabre suicide. Best, Jerry On 1/15/2012 12:23 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: #yiv1263316230 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}I read Lindsay when I was a kid, starting about age 9, but his work gets pretty old pretty quickly. He survives mainly in Ives' great setting of his "General William Booth Enters into Heaven." His non-performative pieces can be very sweet, for better or worse. "The Flower-Fed Buffalo" is both lovely and perhaps crippled by nostalgia for what was a very recent past. It was widely anthologized. The flower-fed buffaloes of the spring In the days of long ago, Ranged where the locomotives sing And the prairie flowers lie low; The tossing, blooming, perfumed grass Is swept away by wheat, Wheels and wheels and wheels spin by In the spring that still is sweet. But the flower-fed buffaloes of the spring Left us long ago. They gore no more, they bellow no more, They trundle around the hills no more: With the Blackfeet lying low, With the Pawnees lying low. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 15 16:43:03 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:43:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] new Muthologos Message-ID: <8CEA1E5CB547AF5-D9C-1028F5@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Muthologos Lectures And Interviews, Revised Second Edition By Charles Olson Edited by Ralph Maud Charles Olson?s insistence that the public value of any articulation is inseparable from the particulars of the time and place of its origins resulted in the proprioceptive methodology of his composition?in his speech and his writing, in both poetry and prose. Olson did not ?lecture??he ?talked.? His encyclopedic knowledge of the subjects that interested him engaged in a manner always as surprising to himself as to his listeners. This element of discovery was to him a true measure of what is authentic in language, and it exhibits itself most in the impromptu exchanges of which Muthologos is mainly composed. Olson once de?ned ?Muthologos? as ?what is said about what is said,? which encompasses a breadth of discourse that would de?ne the near and far range of where the poet?s mind went in a lifetime?s intent to go places. In this new compilation of Charles Olson?s transcribed lectures and interviews, we ?nally get all of what is preserved of a life of talk, allowing Muthologos to stand, along with The Maximus Poems, Collected Poems, Collected Prose and Selected Letters as one of the ?standard texts? of this great poet?s oeuvre. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Jan 15 17:01:37 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:01:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay Message-ID: <15483082.1326664897901.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 18:34:46 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:34:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay In-Reply-To: <15483082.1326664897901.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1326670486.23843.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It is questionable, though Galic (sp?) still survives, is studied, and spoken in Ireland. As for black American dialects, I don't have a clue. Yep, 2 (??). --- On Sun, 1/15/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 5:01 PM #yiv1454132228 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Folklore has been a big industry for a long time. It'd pushing it to claim for Synge (whose work I love) that he revived any dialects, though he was probably the first to use that of Connaught for "serious" literature. Even more questionable, I think, for Black American dialects. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay Folk lore is big in D.C., especially at Howard. There, Zora Neil Hurston majored in anthropology. & Sterling A. Brown has revived regional dialects in his blues poems. This was also a speciality of J Synge, as he revived various regional dialects from Ireland. --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 4:13 PM I don't know for sure when Sandburg did his troubador stuff, but here's a note from the Poets.org site: ??? In the twenties, he started some of his most ambitious projects, including his study of Abraham Lincoln. From childhood, Sandburg loved ??? and admired the legacy of President Lincoln. For thirty years he sought out and collected material, and gradually began the writing of the ??? six-volume definitive biography of the former president. The twenties also saw Sandburg's collections of American folklore, the ballads ???? in The American Songbag and The New American Songbag (1950), and books for children. These later volumes contained pieces collected ??? from brief tours across America which Sandburg took each year, playing his banjo or guitar, singing folk-songs, and reciting poems. As for the rest, it's odd that I've never felt that Thomas's poems suffered from his performance celebrity--maybe because I've been such a bedazzled admirer of his best work. I vaguely remember in my first year of college reading an essay in which he claimed a kind of comprehensive freedom to pick and choose and deploy strategies of all kinds in his poems--a model I'm very sympathetic to, and which, together with his emphatic flamboyance, have probably led me to overlook some of his excesses. Jerry On 1/15/2012 1:20 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: #yiv1454132228 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}The same might be said of Sandburg and Dylan Thomas. Jerry: do you know when Sandburg and his guitar started hitting the lecture circuit? To be fair, Sandburg was pitching a very different version of populism. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay There's certainly an historical significance to Lindsay's work in relation to spoken word, to "celebrity poetry," and to general poetics. I also stumbled on him early in life and was taken by his boom-boom rhythmic sense--but even then there was something troubling about his aesthetic sensibility. And while I agree that there are some pretty charming pieces to be found if you slog through his collected works (I really like "The Drunkard's Funeral"), I tend to think mostly that he exemplifies some of the things that can go wrong if you dedicate too much of your energy to making the sound of your poems attractive to live audiences. He's also quite distinguished, I think, by his remarkably dramatic and macabre suicide. Best, Jerry On 1/15/2012 12:23 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: #yiv1454132228 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}I read Lindsay when I was a kid, starting about age 9, but his work gets pretty old pretty quickly. He survives mainly in Ives' great setting of his "General William Booth Enters into Heaven." His non-performative pieces can be very sweet, for better or worse. "The Flower-Fed Buffalo" is both lovely and perhaps crippled by nostalgia for what was a very recent past. It was widely anthologized. The flower-fed buffaloes of the spring In the days of long ago, Ranged where the locomotives sing And the prairie flowers lie low; The tossing, blooming, perfumed grass Is swept away by wheat, Wheels and wheels and wheels spin by In the spring that still is sweet. But the flower-fed buffaloes of the spring Left us long ago. They gore no more, they bellow no more, They trundle around the hills no more: With the Blackfeet lying low, With the Pawnees lying low. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/classic_poems/2011/12/the_mystery_of_vachel_lindsay.html Early in 1914, having heard a young and unknown poet perform in Chicago, W. B. Yeats approached him and asked, ?What are we going to do to restore the primitive singing of poetry?? That young poet was Vachel Lindsay. Yeats? recognition of something unusual in the style of the performance was the beginning of a strange episode in American literary history. Even dedicated readers of poetry in our own time can be divided into two groups: those who know Vachel Lindsay and his work, and those who don?t. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 15 20:14:22 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:14:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay In-Reply-To: <4F134180.8000502@louisiana.edu> References: <32747337.1326655230417.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4F134180.8000502@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <17948B7962914A3BB320EE5E2F9EB2E0@BobHP> From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:13 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vachel Lindsay I don't know for sure when Sandburg did his troubador stuff, but here's a note from the Poets.org site: In the twenties, he started some of his most ambitious projects, including his study of Abraham Lincoln. From childhood, Sandburg loved and admired the legacy of President Lincoln. For thirty years he sought out and collected material, and gradually began the writing of the six-volume definitive biography of the former president. The twenties also saw Sandburg's collections of American folklore, the ballads in The American Songbag and The New American Songbag (1950), and books for children. These later volumes contained pieces collected from brief tours across America which Sandburg took each year, playing his banjo or guitar, singing folk-songs, and reciting poems. As for the rest, it's odd that I've never felt that Thomas's poems suffered from his performance celebrity--maybe because I've been such a bedazzled admirer of his best work. I vaguely remember in my first year of college reading an essay in which he claimed a kind of comprehensive freedom to pick and choose and deploy strategies of all kinds in his poems--a model I'm very sympathetic to, and which, together with his emphatic flamboyance, have probably led me to overlook some of his excesses. Jerry I consider ?Fern Hill,? ?Poem in October? (or something like that) and his birthday poem (or did he have two?) among the best poems (in English) of the twentieth century. He was as much a poet of imagery as of sound. He also?commendably--wrote a lot of poems that were avant garde at the time, but they never did much for me. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 16 11:00:16 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:00:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry and Math online Message-ID: http://talkingwriting.com/?tag=mathematics-and-poetry Thought you might be interested, Bob. It seems to be mostly "math gets mentioned" and "metaphors from math" except possibly in the work by Carol Dorf. No alliterates arithmetic. www.mikesnider.org From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:05:48 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:05:48 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Benet Casablancas, Quartet 3 "Raging in the Dark" (Arditti) (2010) Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 16 11:07:49 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lucky #17 In-Reply-To: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C080084-D378-4384-B747-F9F27AD63D19@mikesnider.org> Hip Hip Hooray! Congratulations. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 15, 2012, at 13:13, amy king wrote: > Coldfront's Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 > > Loads of lovely books on this list - happy to be in good company! > > http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 > > > > 17. I Want To Make You Safe, Amy King > Litmus Press > ??a lack of hate to push death into.? > Walt Whitman made us feel safe, calling that ?death is great as life,? imparting that if we ever need him, we can find him. Amy King?s love is just as wide, her breath more modern. In I Want to Make You Safe, her best book yet, King is both warm and tactically evasive. She goes from conversational to abstract to personal with impressive fluidity, creating absorbing tones and swells in the course of a poem. Her methods will sometimes remind you of great poets like Rae Armantrout or Ange Mlinko, but runnier; she might also remind you of John Ashbery, who blurbs here, claiming King is ?emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living.? He is right, and ultimately, any comparison is reductive. King wavers between obscurity and candor, creating a dissonance that is completely unique, that derives from a singularly productive and skeptical mix of unconditional love and ferocious social conscience: ?Nothing desired is property, / nothing given, given, we lie in glass sheds.? Her book is not a self-serving venture, but a collective surge towards ?a lack of hate to push death into.? > Read a review here. > ?John Deming > > > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." > --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:50:08 2012 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:50:08 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry and Math online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for mentioning this, Michael -- TW is doing one a week for the next month or so, and there's some alteration between poems with more math content and more accessible poems. Also, the Journal of Humanistic Mathematics is going to do a section of mathematics poems from the reading at the Joint Mathematics conference this January. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > http://talkingwriting.com/?tag=mathematics-and-poetry > > Thought you might be interested, Bob. It seems to be mostly "math gets > mentioned" and "metaphors from math" except possibly in the work by Carol > Dorf. No alliterates arithmetic. > > www.mikesnider.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 12:03:48 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:03:48 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Casablancas Domingo is the best composer I hadn't known existed until earlier this morning. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > :: Listening 2: Benet Casablancas, Quartet 3 "Raging in the Dark" > (Arditti) (2010) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From:Michael Snider Hip Hip Hooray! Congratulations. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 15, 2012, at 13:13, amy king wrote: Coldfront's?Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 > > >Loads of lovely books on this list - happy to be in good company! ? > > >http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 > > > > > > > >17.?I Want To Make You Safe,?Amy King >Litmus Press >??a lack of hate to push death into.? >Walt Whitman made us feel safe, calling that ?death is great as life,? imparting that if we ever need him, we can find him. Amy King?s love is just as wide, her breath more modern. In?I Want to Make You Safe, her best book yet, King is both warm and tactically evasive. She goes from conversational to abstract to personal with impressive fluidity, creating absorbing tones and swells in the course of a poem. Her methods will sometimes remind you of great poets like Rae Armantrout or Ange Mlinko, but runnier; she might also remind you of John Ashbery, who blurbs here, claiming King is ?emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living.? He is right, and ultimately, any comparison is reductive. King wavers between obscurity and candor, creating a dissonance that is completely unique, that derives from a singularly productive and skeptical mix of unconditional love and ferocious social conscience: ?Nothing desired is property, / nothing given, given, we lie in glass sheds.? Her book is not a self-serving venture, but a collective surge towards ?a lack of hate to push death into.? >Read a review?here. >?John Deming > > > > >? >"Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." >???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 13:58:04 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:58:04 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lucky #17 In-Reply-To: <1326738312.74615.YahooMailNeo@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1326651184.74332.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9C080084-D378-4384-B747-F9F27AD63D19@mikesnider.org> <1326738312.74615.YahooMailNeo@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I forwarded to Facebook! Congratulations, Amy! On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM, amy king wrote: > Thank you, Michael & Tad!! > > From: Michael Snider > > Hip Hip Hooray! Congratulations. > > www.mikesnider.org > > On Jan 15, 2012, at 13:13, amy king wrote: > > Coldfront's Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 > > *Loads of lovely books on this list - happy to be in good company! * > * > * > *http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011* > > > > * > 17. I Want To Make You Safe, Amy King* > Litmus Press > ??a lack of hate to push death into.? > Walt Whitman made us feel safe, calling that ?death is great as life,? > imparting that if we ever need him, we can find him. Amy King?s love is > just as wide, her breath more modern. In *I Want to Make You Safe*, her > best book yet, King is both warm and tactically evasive. She goes from > conversational to abstract to personal with impressive fluidity, creating > absorbing tones and swells in the course of a poem. Her methods will > sometimes remind you of great poets like Rae Armantrout or Ange Mlinko, but > runnier; she might also remind you of John Ashbery, who blurbs here, > claiming King is ?emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living.? > He is right, and ultimately, any comparison is reductive. King wavers > between obscurity and candor, creating a dissonance that is completely > unique, that derives from a singularly productive and skeptical mix of > unconditional love and ferocious social conscience: ?Nothing desired is > property, / nothing given, given, we lie in glass sheds.? Her book is not a > self-serving venture, but a collective surge towards ?a lack of hate to > push death into.? > Read a review here > . > ?*John Deming* > * > * > * > * > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' > world ..." > --John Ashbery ( > http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 00:41:54 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Seeing Stein In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1326778914.66590.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I did too. But I didn't leave myself enough time to do the exhibit justice. It's ambitious. I enjoyed Stein's Picasso poem. --- On Mon, 1/16/12, carol dorf wrote: From: carol dorf Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Seeing Stein To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:08 PM I found the exhibit very informative about Stein and her culture when it was exhibited here. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, stephen russell wrote: Seeing Gertrude Stein (5 stories) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? @ the Museum of American Art D.C. www.thecjm.org/index.php?option=com_ ccevents&scope=exbt&... - Cached Search the web: enhanced by _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 09:37:19 2012 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:37:19 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Seeing Stein In-Reply-To: <1326778914.66590.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1326778914.66590.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also liked the film fragments of Four Saints in Three Acts, -- also contextualizing Stein (and her family) as part of a number of groups of Jewish siblings (mostly sisters) who went off to France to collect art, and enjoy a culture they didn't think they could find in the West. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > I did too. But I didn't leave myself enough time to do the exhibit > justice. It's ambitious. I enjoyed Stein's Picasso poem. > > --- On *Mon, 1/16/12, carol dorf * wrote: > > > From: carol dorf > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Seeing Stein > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:08 PM > > > I found the exhibit very informative about Stein and her culture when it > was exhibited here. > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > Seeing Gertrude Stein (5 stories) > @ the Museum of American Art > > D.C. > > www.*thecjm.org*/index.php?option=com_ ccevents&scope=exbt&... - Cached > > > > Search the web: > enhanced by > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Carol Dorf > talkingwriting.com > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I didn't leave myself enough time to do the exhibit justice. It's ambitious. I enjoyed Stein's Picasso poem. --- On Mon, 1/16/12, carol dorf wrote: From: carol dorf Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Seeing Stein To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:08 PM I found the exhibit very informative about Stein and her culture when it was exhibited here. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, stephen russell wrote: Seeing Gertrude Stein (5 stories) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? @ the Museum of American Art D.C. www.thecjm.org/index.php?option=com_ ccevents&scope=exbt&... - Cached Search the web: enhanced by _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 14:58:06 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:58:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote In-Reply-To: <1326829470.62067.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326830286.79814.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> correction: Gregory Orr --- On Tue, 1/17/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:44 PM by Gegory Orr A Parable The stone strikes the body, because that is what stones will do. The wound opens after the stone's kiss, too late to swallow the stone. The wound and the stone become lovers. The wound owes its life to the stone and sings the stone's praises. The stone is moved. At the stone's center, a red hollow aches to touch the wound. The gray walls of its body tear open and the wound enters to dwell there. A stranger picks up the stone with the wound inside and carries it with him until he dies. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 15:07:02 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote In-Reply-To: <1326829470.62067.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326830822.42185.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did i correct? Gregory, rather than -- --- On Tue, 1/17/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:44 PM by Gegory Orr A Parable The stone strikes the body, because that is what stones will do. The wound opens after the stone's kiss, too late to swallow the stone. The wound and the stone become lovers. The wound owes its life to the stone and sings the stone's praises. The stone is moved. At the stone's center, a red hollow aches to touch the wound. The gray walls of its body tear open and the wound enters to dwell there. A stranger picks up the stone with the wound inside and carries it with him until he dies. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 15:08:54 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:08:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote In-Reply-To: <1326830822.42185.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326830934.67290.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Oh, guess i did ... more than once ... oh ... --- On Tue, 1/17/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 3:07 PM did i correct? Gregory, rather than -- --- On Tue, 1/17/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] wish I had wrote To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:44 PM by Gegory Orr A Parable The stone strikes the body, because that is what stones will do. The wound opens after the stone's kiss, too late to swallow the stone. The wound and the stone become lovers. The wound owes its life to the stone and sings the stone's praises. The stone is moved. At the stone's center, a red hollow aches to touch the wound. The gray walls of its body tear open and the wound enters to dwell there. A stranger picks up the stone with the wound inside and carries it with him until he dies. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First Name: Broke,& desperate Last Name & HOMELESS ZIP * in the park on crack After all, everyone loves hearing from friends on their birthday. And the year ahead is going to be a tough one, so I know this card will mean the world to Michelle. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 15:27:19 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: No clue what this is about Message-ID: <1326832039.2119.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Stephen -- Michelle's birthday is today -- and I think you'll agree with me when I say she's a pretty special woman. So I hope you'll take a moment to sign her card before we deliver it. You can even leave a note if you'd like: Join Barack and Sign Michelle's Birthday Card Happy Birthday Michelle Email* poet_still_in hell ... First Name: Broke,& desperate Last Name & HOMELESS ZIP * in the park on crack After all, everyone loves hearing from friends on their birthday. And the year ahead is going to be a tough one, so I know this card will mean the world to Michelle. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 17 22:45:36 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:45:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] from one of the beautiful small books I've read Message-ID: <8CEA3AAC5E9C3C7-2BC0-A1EB@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> I wasn?t going to interpret it?reading for meaning has neverbeen my main concern. The poem spoke to me above all as a unique, unfamiliarGestalt, a levitating sound image. Through their insertion into a new, tighter orderof language and a concomitant increase in atomic weight, so to speak, the wordshad been put into a state of semantic oscillation and had suddenly begun toradiate. p. 31 [?] What counts is one, unattended second, the moment ofinspiration that can never be forced and that decides all. It gives the begining,it sets in motion the production of sense. The poem is the literary form thatmost purely captures this moment of inception. I might even go so far as to saythat poetry is in large part born from the desire to start over as often aspossible. p. 46 Durs Gr?nbein, The Vocation of Poetry (Upper West SidePhilosophers, Inc., 2010) http://www.westside-philosophers.com/publishing2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cvoisine at nmsu.edu Wed Jan 18 08:06:34 2012 From: cvoisine at nmsu.edu (Connie Voisine) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:06:34 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] from one of the beautiful small books I've read In-Reply-To: <8CEA3AAC5E9C3C7-2BC0-A1EB@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEA3AAC5E9C3C7-2BC0-A1EB@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: lovely. thanks. c On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:45 AM, wrote: > I wasn?t going to interpret it?reading for meaning has never been my main > concern. The poem spoke to me above all as a unique, unfamiliar Gestalt, a > levitating sound image. Through their insertion into a new, tighter order of > language and a concomitant increase in atomic weight, so to speak, the words > had been put into a state of semantic oscillation and had suddenly begun to > radiate. > p. 31 > [?] > What counts is one, unattended second, the moment of inspiration that can > never be forced and that decides all. It gives the begining, it sets in > motion the production of sense. The poem is the literary form that most > purely captures this moment of inception. I might even go so far as to say > that poetry is in large part born from the desire to start over as often as > possible. > p. 46 > > Durs Gr?nbein, The Vocation of Poetry (Upper West Side Philosophers, Inc., > 2010) > > http://www.westside-philosophers.com/publishing2/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Connie Voisine Associate Professor of English New Mexico State University cvoisine at nmsu.edu 575-646-2027 From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 18 09:43:04 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:43:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Thin Air Video Message-ID: <8CEA4067BEADBD5-1D1C-FE4F@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> http://www.thinairvideo.com/Welcome.html Thin Air Video est.1988 20TH - 21ST CENTURY AMERICAN POETICS AMERICA'S PREMIER POETRY DVD RESOURCE DVD catalog: 138 titles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What the hell can you make out of a declaration like that, chief?" > > > Reminded me of Dr. Seuss. Why not? He was a innovator author & illustrator of children's books. As for facism, while told to stop writing, I wrote, from the exhibit notes, to paraphrase -- > > Stein & Toklas were potential targets of Nazi pesecution. Stein was advised to leave, but each time she said she did no know where she would go or how she would live. > > Which would make her comments a cut above one of my heroes, L F Celine. Celine actually bought the dopey Protocals of Zion propaganda. Still, he lived among the poor. Treated them. Was one of them. By heritage ... war, & strife. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What the hell can you make out of a declaration like that, chief?" Reminded me of Dr. Seuss. Why not? He was a innovator author & illustrator of children's books. As for facism, while told to stop writing, I wrote, from the exhibit notes, to paraphrase -- Stein & Toklas were potential targets of Nazi pesecution. Stein was advised to leave, but each time she said she did no know where she would go or how she would live. Which would make her comments a cut above one of my heroes, L F Celine. Celine actually bought the dopey Protocals of Zion propaganda. Still, he lived among the poor. Treated them. Was one of them. 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Dear JAMES FINNEGAN, This is a friendly reminder that January 23rd, 2012 is the last day to pre-register for the conference; after this date, attendee registration fees will increase. Between January 24th - February 28th, 2012, registration will also be closed. We hope that you will join us! Please ignore this message if you have already registered for the 2012 AWP Annual Conference & Bookfair in Chicago. The conference will host more than 400 presentations, a keynote address by Margaret Atwood, and attract more than 550 publishers to the bookfair. Conference Registration If you are interested in registering and have not already done so, take advantage of the pre-registration rates to save and to avoid long-lines at on-site registration. On-site registration will start at noon on February 29th, 2012. 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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:43 PM, wrote: > > http://www.thinairvideo.com/Welcome.html > > Thin Air Video > est.1988 > > 20TH - 21ST CENTURY > AMERICAN POETICS > AMERICA'S PREMIER POETRY DVD RESOURCE > > DVD catalog : 138 titles > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To find out more or to register for a workshop please visit: http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/weekly-salon/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 12:38:36 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:38:36 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Britten, Violin Concerto, Op. 15 (Vengerov; LSO/Rostropovich) Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[image: SanctaCover 2] Andrew Grace, Sancta This book-length poem is in the voice of a speaker who brings the tatters of his life to a cabin in the woods and through brief, often fractured missives, breaks down and rebuilds himself by becoming, out of desperation, a naturalist for whom each of the landscape?s particulars offers a glimpse of salvation. ?Each of these poems fits the mind like a brick fits the hand, and their speaker?like any one of us?is as capable of building as he is of rioting.? ?Graham Foust [image: ChinoiserieCover]Karen Rigby, Chinoiserie Through centuries?from an illuminated manuscript to New York on the eve of disaster, the Emperor?s nightingale to neon aquariums?these poems carve wonder from ruin. Chinoiserie is a sensory flight intricate in its vision, Ecclesiastic in its hunger, and brutal in its portrayal of a solitude that ?could surrender / to the hammer or the flame.? ?These are vivid, sensual poems, gorgeous with vibrant hues ?painted in poison chromatics,? rich with passion and grace: ?What should he bring to your hunger / if not his own wrist?? A good love poem is hard to find, and this book has many, all of them honed to an elegant spareness:* * ?How I loved you, whittling /thorns, loved you not.? Poems this nuanced and strong, wild and grave, seem to be been written with a feather and a chisel. They are that delicate, that indelible.? ?Alice Fulton ------------------------------ 2012 Sawtooth Prize submissions run 'til Mar. 1 [image: mchugh 2]Poet Heather McHugh, right, will judge the 2012 Sawtooth Poetry Prize, which is open for submissions from January 1 through March 1, 2012. McHugh, a winner of the McArthur Foundation?s ?Genius? award, a former chancellor of the Academy of American Poets, and a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, has published eight acclaimed books of poems, three translations, and a collection of essays. She teaches at the University of Washington and in Warren Wilson?s MFA Program for Writers. Former winners of the Sawtooth Prize include Aaron McCollough (Welkin), Graham Foust (Leave the Room to Itself), Noah Eli Gordon (The Area of Sound Called the Subtone), Karla Kelsey (Knowledge, Forms, the Aviary), Paige Ackerson-Kiely (In No One's Land), Rusty Morrison (the true keeps calm biding its story), Barbara Maloutas (The Whole Marie), Julie Carr (100 Notes on Violence), James Meetze (Dayglo), and Karen Rigby (Chinoiserie). <#134f90ad6c21a6fa_> ------------------------------ News and Readings Ed Allen, author of *67 Mixed Messages*, will be reading at Missouri Southern State University in Joplin, MO this April (dates to be determined). Dan Beachy-Quick's collection of essays, meditations, and tales?called *Wonderful Investigations?*is coming out shortly from Milkweed Editions. Beachy-Quick's collaboration with Srikanth Reddy, *Conversities*, is coming out from 1913 Press. He will be reading at Boise State University on Feb. 10th, and will be reading at the University of Alabama on April 5th. Susan Briante's new collection *Utopia Minus* is named one of the top poetry books of 2011 by *coldfront* * *and *No Tell Motel *. A new review of Briante's book is available at Galatea Resurrects, and a story about her stock market?inspired work is up at the Poetry Foundation. Her interview on *Primitive Information* is here . *Sancta* by Andrew Grace is #2 on the SPD Best-Seller list for December. Find a review of the book at The Rumpus here, in which "divinity irradiates" and "the afterlife approaches nuclear." Kate Greenstreet's work is included in Fire On Her Tongue: An eBook Anthology of Contemporary Women's Poetry, just out from Two Sylvias Press. A new review of Brenda Iijima's *If Not Metamorphic* is available here . *A Beautiful Name for a Girl*, by Kirsten Kaschock, is on the best books of 2011 list for *No Tell Motel *. She has poems in *BombMagazine* (winter), *sixth finch*, *Chicago Review *, and *Antioch Review*, plus a story in *The Collagist*. She has a reading coming up January 26th at the Chester County Book and Music Club at 7pm. Rachel Loden's poem "How Should Chicago Be Governed?" appears in *City of the Big Shoulders: An Anthology of Chicago Poetry*, edited by Ryan Van Cleave (Iowa). Her poem "A Lending Library" appears in *Collecting Life: Poets on Objects Known and Imagined*, edited by Madelyn Garner and Andrea L. Watson (3: A Taos Press). Barbara Maloutas's chapbook *of which anything consists* will be published by New Michigan Press, and was selected by Ander Monson, editor of NMP. The water series portion of the chapbook---"a reason of water"---was recently published by Pie in the Sky Press. **An interview with Aaron McCollough by H.L. Hix for *IN QUIRE *is available here .*Chinoiserie* by Karen Rigby is #4 on the SPD Best-Seller list for December. James Meetze's *Dayglo* and Lisa Fishman's *FLOWER CART* are listed in the SPD Top Sellers of 2011. Rusty Morrison has a new essay, *Amplification *, in the January issue of *The Volta*, which is also available on *Evening Will Come*. Morrison discusses *Flower Cart* by Lisa Fishman in *On the Seawall *. The author of *Drinking Girls and their Dresses*, Heather Sellers, will be reading in Holland Michigan on January 31st at 7pm with David Cho. Stephanie Strickland did a reading at Richard Hugo house in Seattle of *The Ballad of Sand and Harry Soot,* and Nick Montfort and she also read from the poetry generator, *Sea and Spar Between*. *The Ballad of Sand and Harry Soot* was also featured in an onsite display of electronic writing at MLA 2012 in Seattle, and Strickland gave a presentation there on the Electronic Literature Collection/2. Chris Vitiello's book *Irresponsibility* is reviewed recently here. ** ------------------------------ SAVE THE DATE! March 1, 2012, at AWP Chicago! 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Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 13:50:20 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:50:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE Message-ID: <1327085420.61975.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ? coming soon ... my sensibility ...?which is her sensibiliy (B/ L)?& LASTING ... FAME -- ? This is a tour de force. No one has yet had the courage to be this negative in front of the American public, where positive attitude fascism prevails. Her tale is a tale of defeat and we can?t help but agree with her. What is the use of any of this shit? We find ourselves asking this question over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated way, this is a tour de force for our times. Finally we can give up seeking the sublime; we can loosen our belt; we can sit in front of the T.V. set and get high as a kite. Read this book and then never read another book again. You won?t regret it. Books are dusty bits of lust we must rid ourselves of. Our parasitic nature demands we change course. Here is an author who encourages us to let go, to give up. I quit my job after reading this magnum opus. I dare you to do the same.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 14:32:43 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:32:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE In-Reply-To: <1327085420.61975.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327087963.62554.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> of course, my work is different: ? ... finally a novel that says?what we've all been waiting to hear. Touch and taste the pain. Get on your?hands and knees and beg for it, fool.?Ask your dominatrix with the advanced degree from Smith to?shove her Sylvia Plath you know where.?Read this book. It's already dark,?and the lids are closing on coffins from?around the world. Face your worst fear, your hidden perversions. ?Bend over and feel the pain this wise?exercise in?nihilism?promises. Go where you've never been. If you survive, recommend this book to your friends. With Valium. They'll need it. --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 1:50 PM ? coming soon ... my sensibility ...?which is her sensibiliy (B/ L)?& LASTING ... FAME -- ? This is a tour de force. No one has yet had the courage to be this negative in front of the American public, where positive attitude fascism prevails. Her tale is a tale of defeat and we can?t help but agree with her. What is the use of any of this shit? We find ourselves asking this question over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated way, this is a tour de force for our times. Finally we can give up seeking the sublime; we can loosen our belt; we can sit in front of the T.V. set and get high as a kite. Read this book and then never read another book again. You won?t regret it. Books are dusty bits of lust we must rid ourselves of. Our parasitic nature demands we change course. Here is an author who encourages us to let go, to give up. I quit my job after reading this magnum opus. I dare you to do the same.? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 16:30:18 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] REMINDER: TOMORROW NIGHT @ 7 p.m. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1327095018.59612.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> BOOK PARTY Please join us for a book party celebrating the release of I Want?to Make You Safe, the fourth book by Amy King! With readings by Amy King,?Rosebud Ben-Oni, Alex Dimitrov,?Ryan Doyle May, Metta S?mas, and James Yeh. Music by the Invert Family Singers (feat. Bryn Kelly and Julian Talamantez Brolaski) Saturday, January 21st 7 pm - midnight, FREE Branded Saloon 630 Vanderbilt Avenue @ Bergen (map) Prospect Heights, Brooklyn (A/C to Clinton-Washington, 2/3/4 to Bergen, B/Q to 7th Avenue) RSVP on Facebook ~~~~~~~ *? DEATH, IS ALWAYS - http://therumpus.net/2012/01/death-is-always-a-rumpus-original-poem-by-amy-king/ *? Coldfront's Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 - http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 * Boston Globe award: best poetry books of 2011 - http://bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2011/12/18/best-poetry-books/EMwDBZdDcYcbfbVNhLyh6L/story.html -- "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery (http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 00:08:50 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:08:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE In-Reply-To: <1327087963.62554.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327122530.55745.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... in other words, mine offers a few cheap thrills before the bullet. The former (much better) read, is a classic. --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 2:32 PM of course, my work is different: ? ... finally a novel that says?what we've all been waiting to hear. Touch and taste the pain. Get on your?hands and knees and beg for it, fool.?Ask your dominatrix with the advanced degree from Smith to?shove her Sylvia Plath you know where.?Read this book. It's already dark,?and the lids are closing on coffins from?around the world. Face your worst fear, your hidden perversions. ?Bend over and feel the pain this wise?exercise in?nihilism?promises. Go where you've never been. If you survive, recommend this book to your friends. With Valium. They'll need it. --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 1:50 PM ? coming soon ... my sensibility ...?which is her sensibiliy (B/ L)?& LASTING ... FAME -- ? This is a tour de force. No one has yet had the courage to be this negative in front of the American public, where positive attitude fascism prevails. Her tale is a tale of defeat and we can?t help but agree with her. What is the use of any of this shit? We find ourselves asking this question over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated way, this is a tour de force for our times. Finally we can give up seeking the sublime; we can loosen our belt; we can sit in front of the T.V. set and get high as a kite. Read this book and then never read another book again. You won?t regret it. Books are dusty bits of lust we must rid ourselves of. Our parasitic nature demands we change course. Here is an author who encourages us to let go, to give up. I quit my job after reading this magnum opus. I dare you to do the same.? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 10:33:22 2012 From: rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com (Rufus Canterbury) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:33:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up Message-ID: <1327160002.76575.YahooMailNeo@web122217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> You there, Steve? Still at large? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Her newest poetry collection is Unearthed. She recently published Red Erotic, containing her erotic poems and photographs of sexually themed artworks by other indigenous artists. Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Victoria+names+poet+laureate/6032060/story.html#ixzz1k6j8MNSB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 10:47:32 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:47:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up In-Reply-To: <1327160002.76575.YahooMailNeo@web122217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327160852.48918.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yeah. 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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > A little Nashville-style collaboration between me and Jack Keats. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PkivNgKKWI&list=UU5BQpc732AD27zY0_rtv-wA&index=1&feature=plcp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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January 2012 Contemporary Poetry > Reviews (Anny Ballardini) > ???2. REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE (stephen > russell) > ???3. Re: REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE (stephen > russell) > ???4. REMINDER: TOMORROW NIGHT @ 7 p.m. (amy > king) > ???5. Re: REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE (stephen > russell) > ???6. s'up (Rufus Canterbury) > ???7. Me and Jack (Tad Richards) > ???8. Janet Marie Rogers is Victoria's third > poet laureate > ? ? ? (jforjames at aol.com) > ???9. Re: s'up (stephen russell) > ? 10. s'up (stephen russell) > ? 11. s'up (Rufus Canterbury) > ? 12. Re: Me and Jack (Anny Ballardini) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:18:05 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Subject: [New-Poetry] January 2012 Contemporary Poetry > Reviews > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/contemporary-poetry_b_1168513.html > > *Felt, Alice Fulton (Norton, 2001)*. Alice Fulton has for > years been one of > the nation's most eloquently cerebral poets, and in *Felt* > she adds still > another dimension to her enviably erudite poetics: a > richness of sense and > emotion that in 2001 heralded her strongest and most > accessible single > collection to date. > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth > to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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We find ourselves asking this question > over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an > American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she > waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow > we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she > said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the > middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road > which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in > foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt > objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of > loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated way, this is > a tour de force for our times. Finally we can give up > seeking the sublime; we > can loosen our belt; we can sit in front of the T.V. set > and get high as a kite. Read this book and then never read > another book again. You won?t regret it. Books are dusty > bits of lust we must rid ourselves of. Our parasitic nature > demands we change course. Here is an author who encourages > us to let go, to give up. I quit my job after reading this > magnum opus. I dare you to do the same.? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:32:43 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE > Message-ID: > ??? <1327087963.62554.YahooMailClassic at web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > of course, my work is different: > ? > ... finally a novel that says?what we've all been waiting > to hear. Touch and taste the pain. Get on your?hands and > knees and beg for it, fool.?Ask your dominatrix with the > advanced degree from Smith to?shove her Sylvia Plath you > know where.?Read this book. It's already dark,?and the lids > are closing on coffins from?around the world. Face your > worst fear, your hidden perversions. ?Bend over and feel the > pain this wise?exercise in?nihilism?promises. Go where > you've never been. If you survive, recommend this book to > your friends. With Valium. They'll need it. > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell > wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > coming soon ... my sensibility ...?which is her sensibiliy > (B/ L)?& LASTING ... FAME -- > ? > This is a tour de force. No one has yet had the courage to > be this negative in front of the American public, where > positive attitude fascism prevails. Her tale is a tale of > defeat and we can?t help but agree with her. What is the use > of any of this shit? We find ourselves asking this question > over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an > American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she > waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow > we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she > said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the > middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road > which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in > foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt > objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of > loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated way, this is > a tour de force for our times. Finally we can give up > seeking the sublime; we > can loosen our belt; we can sit in front of the T.V. set > and get high as a kite. Read this book and then never read > another book again. You won?t regret it. Books are dusty > bits of lust we must rid ourselves of. Our parasitic nature > demands we change course. Here is an author who encourages > us to let go, to give up. I quit my job after reading this > magnum opus. I dare you to do the same.? > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) > From: amy king > To: UB Poetics discussion group , > ??? "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > & Views" > ??? , > ??? "pussipo at googlegroups.com" > ??? > Subject: [New-Poetry] REMINDER: TOMORROW NIGHT @ 7 p.m. > Message-ID: > ??? <1327095018.59612.YahooMailNeo at web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > BOOK PARTY > > Please join us for a book party celebrating the release of > I Want?to Make You Safe, the fourth book by Amy King! > > With readings by Amy King,?Rosebud Ben-Oni, Alex > Dimitrov,?Ryan Doyle May, Metta S?mas, and James Yeh. > > Music by the Invert Family Singers (feat. Bryn Kelly and > Julian Talamantez Brolaski) > > Saturday, January 21st > 7 pm - midnight, FREE > Branded Saloon > 630 Vanderbilt Avenue @ Bergen (map) > Prospect Heights, Brooklyn > > (A/C to Clinton-Washington, 2/3/4 to Bergen, B/Q to 7th > Avenue) > > RSVP on Facebook > > ~~~~~~~ > > *? DEATH, IS ALWAYS - > http://therumpus.net/2012/01/death-is-always-a-rumpus-original-poem-by-amy-king/ > > *? Coldfront's Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011 - > http://coldfrontmag.com/news/top-30-poetry-books-of-2011 > > * Boston Globe award: best poetry books of 2011 - > http://bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2011/12/18/best-poetry-books/EMwDBZdDcYcbfbVNhLyh6L/story.html > > > -- > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as > the 'natural' world ..." > > ???????????????? --John Ashbery (http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:08:50 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE > Message-ID: > ??? <1327122530.55745.YahooMailClassic at web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ... in other words, mine offers a few cheap thrills before > the bullet. The former (much better) read, is a classic. > > --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell > wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 2:32 PM > > of course, my work is different: > ? > ... finally a novel that says?what we've all been waiting > to hear. Touch and taste the pain. Get on your?hands and > knees and beg for it, fool.?Ask your dominatrix with the > advanced degree from Smith to?shove her Sylvia Plath you > know where.?Read this book. It's already dark,?and the lids > are closing on coffins from?around the world. Face your > worst fear, your hidden perversions. ?Bend over and feel the > pain this wise?exercise in?nihilism?promises. Go where > you've never been. If you survive, recommend this book to > your friends. With Valium. They'll need it. > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/20/12, stephen russell > wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] REALLY WISH I HAD WROTE > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > coming soon ... my sensibility ...?which is her sensibiliy > (B/ L)?& LASTING ... FAME -- > ? > This is a tour de force. No one has yet had the courage to > be this negative in front of the American public, where > positive attitude fascism prevails. Her tale is a tale of > defeat and we can?t help but agree with her. What is the use > of any of this shit? We find ourselves asking this question > over and over, as we read this spellbinding testimony of an > American woman who never wanted to be born. Perhaps she > waxes a bit too poetic when mentioning Nembutal, but somehow > we forgive her this trespass. ?Life lasts too long,? she > said in an interview, over the phone, from her home in the > middle of nowhere. ?I?m stuck in the mud on a once-dirt road > which can't hold the moisture, where every house is in > foreclosure,? she added, never backing away from blunt > objects, whether in speech or in the screeching silence of > loneliness. As I said earlier in an abbreviated > way, this is a tour de force for our times. Finally we can > give up seeking the sublime; we can loosen our belt; we can > sit in front of the T.V. set and get high as a kite. Read > this book and then never read another book again. You won?t > regret it. Books are dusty bits of lust we must rid > ourselves of. Our parasitic nature demands we change course. > Here is an author who encourages us to let go, to give up. I > quit my job after reading this magnum opus. I dare you to do > the same.? > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:33:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Rufus Canterbury > To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up > Message-ID: > ??? <1327160002.76575.YahooMailNeo at web122217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You there, Steve? > Still at large? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:33:05 -0500 > From: Tad Richards > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: [New-Poetry] Me and Jack > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A little Nashville-style collaboration between me and Jack > Keats. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PkivNgKKWI&list=UU5BQpc732AD27zY0_rtv-wA&index=1&feature=plcp > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:39:11 -0500 (EST) > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Janet Marie Rogers is Victoria's > third poet > ??? laureate > Message-ID: <8CEA669F48BDCDA-9A8-FB18 at webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > http://www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Victoria+names+poet+laureate/6032060/story.html > > > Provocative First Nations writer Janet Marie Rogers is > Victoria's third poet laureate. > > > A Mohawk poet originally from Ontario's Six Nations band, > Vancouverborn Rogers has lived in Victoria since 1994. > > > Her newest poetry collection is Unearthed. She recently > published Red Erotic, containing her erotic poems and > photographs of sexually themed artworks by other indigenous > artists. > > > > > Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Victoria+names+poet+laureate/6032060/story.html#ixzz1k6j8MNSB > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:47:32 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] s'up > Message-ID: > ??? <1327160852.48918.YahooMailClassic at web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeah. What do you want? > > --- On Sat, 1/21/12, Rufus Canterbury > wrote: > > From: Rufus Canterbury > Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up > To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" > > Date: Saturday, January 21, 2012, 10:33 AM > > You there, Steve?Still at large? > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:54:09 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up > Message-ID: > ??? <1327161249.51972.YahooMailClassic at web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > ??? > ??? body, td, input > ??? { > ??? ??? font-family:arial; > ??? ??? font-size:16px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #container > ??? { > ??? ??? padding:5px 20px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #header h2 > ??? { > ??? ??? font-size:27px; > ??? ??? color:#d0d0d0; > ??? ??? margin: 22px 0 10px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform > ??? { > ??? ??? width:470px; > ??? ??? margin:0; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform input > ??? { > ??? ??? font-size:18px; > ??? ??? border: 1px solid > #aaa; > ??? ??? color:#aaa; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform input:hover, > ??? #searchform input:focus, > ??? #searchform input:active > ??? { > ??? ??? border: 1px solid > #888; > ??? ??? color:#000; > ??? }??? > ??? > ??? #searchform input.searchbox > ??? { > ??? ??? padding:4px; > ??? ??? width:300px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform input.searchbutton > ??? { > ??? ??? padding: 3px 10px; > ??? ??? color:#000; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform div.poweredby > ??? { > ??? ??? float:right; > ??? ??? width:80px; > ??? ??? text-align:center; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform div.poweredby span > ??? { > ??? ??? font-size:10px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? #searchform div.poweredby img > ??? { > ??? ??? width:60px; > ??? } > ??? > ??? > > > > ??? > ??? > ??? > ... Mad dog, or the other thang -- > > Search the web: > ??? > ??? > ??? > ??? > ??? ??? > ??? ??? enhanced by > ??? ??? > ??? ??? > ??? > ??? ??? > ??? ??? > ??? ??? > ??? ??? > > ??? ??? > ??? > ??? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:15:18 -0800 (PST) > From: Rufus Canterbury > To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] s'up > Message-ID: > ??? <1327162518.54368.YahooMailNeo at web122219.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > all that > & oNe more thing -- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:49:03 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Me and Jack > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > soooo nice! > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tad Richards > wrote: > > > A little Nashville-style collaboration between me and > Jack Keats. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PkivNgKKWI&list=UU5BQpc732AD27zY0_rtv-wA&index=1&feature=plcp > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth > to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 18, Issue 21 > ****************************************** > From jan.theuninck at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 16:15:05 2012 From: jan.theuninck at yahoo.com (Jan Theuninck) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:15:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jan Theuninck Message-ID: <1327180505.26006.YahooMailNeo@web46210.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Stalag Zehn B ? the feldwebel became a general the campdoctor,a professor and we the jews - it?s banal we stayed jewish - no error ? ? by Jan Theuninck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shalom, Tom?s "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? --- On Sat, 21/1/12, Jan Theuninck wrote: From: Jan Theuninck Subject: [New-Poetry] Jan Theuninck To: "new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" Date: Saturday, 21 January, 2012, 21:15 Stalag Zehn B ? the feldwebel became a general the campdoctor, a professor and we the jews - it?s banal we stayed jewish - no error ? ? by Jan Theuninck -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rufus, did you know that this is a poetry listserv? --- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: From: Rufus Canterbury Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:28 PM Hey Steve.YOur Boys put a hurting on Duke. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rufus, did you know that this is a poetry listserv? --- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: >From: Rufus Canterbury >Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" >Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:28 PM > > >Hey Steve. >YOur Boys put a hurting on Duke. >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 23:58:05 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:58:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil In-Reply-To: <1327294593.96914.YahooMailNeo@web122220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327294685.70425.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes, Rufus. I write poetry. --- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: From: Rufus Canterbury Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:56 PM That's some bull. Poet. ??? You? From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil yeah, we stomped North Carolina by 33 last week. 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You? > > > > >________________________________ > From: stephen russell >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:48 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil > > >yeah, we stomped North Carolina by 33 last week. >Rufus, did you know that this is a poetry listserv? > >--- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: > > >>From: Rufus Canterbury >>Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >>To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" >>Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:28 PM >> >> >>Hey Steve. >>YOur Boys put a hurting on Duke. >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 00:12:18 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:12:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil In-Reply-To: <1327294995.33003.YahooMailNeo@web122216.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327295538.39285.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> You're the crack head, Rufus. & the Mad dog got me drunk. & the crack stunk as bad as you, Rufus. Not to get personal, or anything. This is a poetry listserv, Rufus. --- On Mon, 1/23/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: From: Rufus Canterbury Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 12:03 AM Son, you're a crack head.& a drunk. I'm the poet. From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil Yes, Rufus. I write poetry. --- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: From: Rufus Canterbury Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:56 PM That's some bull. Poet. ??? You? From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil yeah, we stomped North Carolina by 33 last week. 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This is a poetry listserv, Rufus. --- On Mon, 1/23/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: >From: Rufus Canterbury >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >To: "NewPoetry List" >Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 12:03 AM > > >Son, you're a crack head. >& a drunk. > > >I'm the poet. > > > >________________________________ > From: stephen russell >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil > > >Yes, Rufus. >I write poetry. > >--- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: > > >>From: Rufus Canterbury >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >>To: "NewPoetry List" >>Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:56 PM >> >> >>That's some bull. >> >>Poet. >> >> >>??? You? >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: stephen russell >>To: NewPoetry List >>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:48 PM >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >> >> >>yeah, we stomped North Carolina by 33 last week. >>Rufus, did you know that this is a poetry listserv? >> >>--- On Sun, 1/22/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: >> >> >>>From: Rufus Canterbury >>>Subject: [New-Poetry] Blu Devil >>>To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" >>>Date: Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:28 PM >>> >>> >>>Hey Steve. >>>YOur Boys put a hurting on Duke. >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>New-Poetry mailing list >>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From millb at aol.com Mon Jan 23 20:55:31 2012 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:55:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] new work up In-Reply-To: <6595023.1327369584171.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6595023.1327369584171.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CEA85263813573-750-2303F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> "The Story of the Ten Blackbirds," one of my poems about counting is up at Poetry with Mathematics blog http://poetrywithmathematics.blogspot.com/2012/01/counting-fingers-and-blackbirds.html -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] new work up Me too (but only one, and not so new). Mark -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Jan 23, 2012 8:40 PM To: new-poetry Subject: [New-Poetry] new work up Well, maybe not so new to you. Two new poems up and running now at On Barcelona: http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tony e, and not so new). > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > Sent: Jan 23, 2012 8:40 PM > To: new-poetry > Subject: [New-Poetry] new work up > > Well, maybe not so new to you. > > Two new poems up and running now at On Barcelona: > > http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Including presentations by Eleanor Hooker, Alan Jude Moore, with Anamaria Crowe Serrano, David Toms, Michael Corrigan, and Fiona Bolger. (Possibly cake, definitely poetry.) "can can" will be on sale for 2 euro. Free admission, all warmly welcome. Check out Wurm im Apfel poetry events and Wurm Press publications at ... http://wurmimapfel.net Respectfully, S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _____________________________________ From theoldmole at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 16:50:46 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:50:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] new work up In-Reply-To: <8CEA85263813573-750-2303F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <6595023.1327369584171.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CEA85263813573-750-2303F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good job everyone. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Millicent Borges Accardi wrote: > > > "The Story of the Ten Blackbirds," one of my poems about counting is > up at Poetry with Mathematics blog > > http://poetrywithmathematics.blogspot.com/2012/01/counting-fingers-and-blackbirds.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] new work up > > Me too (but only one, and not so new). > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > Sent: Jan 23, 2012 8:40 PM > To: new-poetry > Subject: [New-Poetry] new work up > > Well, maybe not so new to you. > > Two new poems up and running now at On Barcelona: > > http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you haven't sent your contributions to > On Barcelona yet (email or Word attachment to halvard at gmail.com), > I'm going to come and get them. > > http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > Give me a couple of days. > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. If you haven't sent your contributions to >> On Barcelona yet (email or Word attachment to halvard at gmail.com), >> I'm going to come and get them. >> >> http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mon., Oct. 8. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > >> Give me a couple of days. >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. If you haven't sent your contributions to >>> On Barcelona yet (email or Word attachment to halvard at gmail.com), >>> I'm going to come and get them. >>> >>> http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >>> email to my address above) >>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >>> from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >>> P?blicas ; **The >>> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >>> of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ; **Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 27 08:04:57 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:04:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Can Poetry Matter (Chinese version) Message-ID: <8CEAB0B671D5A80-1DA8-1EC6@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-01/27/content_14495485.htm "(Modern) poetry in China is dead," said Wolfgang Kubin, the German Sinologist, in a public lecture on Chinese modern poetry on Nov 24. He then contradicted himself in a carefully phrased way: "It is, however, still living. It lives at the edge of society unnoticed by the majority. Its readers are the few people who really appreciate good literature." The young, it seems, are not among the latter faction. As older poets produce and are published less, and some have stopped altogether, some observers say no one is stepping into their shoes. "I have yet to pay much attention to poets under 30, if that is the younger generation," Kubin said. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-01/27/content_14495485.htm > > "(Modern) poetry in China is dead," said Wolfgang Kubin, the German > Sinologist, in a public lecture on Chinese modern poetry on Nov 24. He then > contradicted himself in a carefully phrased way: "It is, however, still > living. It lives at the edge of society unnoticed by the majority. Its > readers are the few people who really appreciate good literature." > > The young, it seems, are not among the latter faction. As older poets > produce and are published less, and some have stopped altogether, some > observers say no one is stepping into their shoes. > "I have yet to pay much attention to poets under 30, if that is the > younger generation," Kubin said. Usually Chinese writers and scholars > introduce works of literature to him and recommend they be translated. "It > seems to me that I have not yet heard a voice that tried to convince me of > the high quality of poets under 30," was his withering assessment. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 12:29:13 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:29:13 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for work: On Barcelona Message-ID: :: On Barcelona calls for work (poetry, prose, videos, etc.--and not necessarily related to Barcelona, except in the way that everything relates to everything else. Send to me at halvard at gmail.com. Please put On Barcelona and your name in the subject line. http://onbarcelona.blogspot.com/ Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tony Leuzzi's "Radiant Losses" won the New Sins' Editorial Prize in 2009 and was published the following year. His next book, "Fake Book," is forthcoming later this month (Anything-Anymore-Anywhere, UK). In Fall 2012, BOA Editions will publish his collection of interviews with twenty American poets. He teaches at Monroe Community College in Rochester, NY. You can purchase "Radiant Losses" here. Here Larkin and Leuzzi discuss their approaches to their work, sexuality and poetry, and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 11:21:23 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:21:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman Message-ID: <1327767683.15902.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, I'm afraid I have to revise my opinion of Dana Gioia. I'm reading Disappearing Ink. The guy is a good critic. Having said that, I'm also having an existential crisis. I NEED a definition of poetry. What the fuck is it? ... excuse the expli ... What is poetry? Is it pretty sounds? A way of arranging pretty sounds? Does anyone actually know what poetry is or isn't? ... but let's stick with is ... i've got a grip on what language poetry is ... put an adjective before the word poetry and i'm o.k. It's the word poetry that's keeping me awake. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 11:28:00 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327767683.15902.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327768080.30158.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in fact, since i'm in? my crisis mode -- what's deadpan humor? what's tongue & cheek humor? define FREE WILL i'm thinking, maybe start a column entitled Ask Bob ... someone should have a clue ... I nominate you, Bob. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:21 AM Bob, I'm afraid I have to revise my opinion of Dana Gioia. I'm reading Disappearing Ink. The guy is a good critic. Having said that, I'm also having an existential crisis. I NEED a definition of poetry. What the fuck is it? ... excuse the expli ... What is poetry? Is it pretty sounds? A way of arranging pretty sounds? Does anyone actually know what poetry is or isn't? ... but let's stick with is ... i've got a grip on what language poetry is ... put an adjective before the word poetry and i'm o.k. It's the word poetry that's keeping me awake. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 11:40:10 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:40:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327768080.30158.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327768080.30158.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51557456D18143338FC968DB2BC25E79@BobHP> in fact, since i'm in my crisis mode -- what's deadpan humor? what's tongue & cheek humor? define FREE WILL i'm thinking, maybe start a column entitled Ask Bob ... someone should have a clue ... I nominate you, Bob. I can answer any question, Stephen?but I should warn you, I recently turned pro. I now charge $16 per answer under a thousand words, and a flat hundred books for any answer over that. Answers of more than five thousand words are not available at this time. all best, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 11:42:53 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <51557456D18143338FC968DB2BC25E79@BobHP> Message-ID: <1327768973.42374.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'll take the discount ... define poetry ... i need the sleep ... --- On Sat, 1/28/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:40 AM in fact, since i'm in? my crisis mode -- what's deadpan humor? what's tongue & cheek humor? define FREE WILL i'm thinking, maybe start a column entitled Ask Bob ... someone should have a clue ... I nominate you, Bob. I can answer any question, Stephen?but I should warn you, I recently turned pro.? I now charge $16 per answer under a thousand words, and a flat hundred books for any answer over that.? Answers of more than five thousand words are not available at this time. ? all best, Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 11:47:56 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:47:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327767683.15902.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327767683.15902.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79711DC9E102414EA682D2344458A73E@BobHP> Re: Gioia as critic and the definition of poetry. Gioia isn?t even good on the standard stuff he writes about. As for my definition of poetry, it?s simple: a work containing words intended to give aesthetic pleasure that contains a significant number of flow-breaks, line-breaks being the most common kind. I will not (again) defend this definition here. Nullinguists will, of course, scorn it. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 12:04:46 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:04:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <79711DC9E102414EA682D2344458A73E@BobHP> Message-ID: <1327770286.44956.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm o.k. with that definition. It's better than mine.? Gioia, I'd say, is good as a cultural critic. A critic who tries to surmise poetry's place in culture, as culture is currently defined. However, you may disagree. I'm still reading Disappearing Ink. Maybe that's why I can't remember what he's saying ... we'll see ... --- On Sat, 1/28/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:47 AM Re: Gioia as critic and the definition of poetry. ? Gioia isn?t even good on the standard stuff he writes about.? As for my definition of poetry, it?s simple: a work containing words intended to give aesthetic pleasure that contains a significant number of flow-breaks, line-breaks being the most common kind.? I will not (again) defend this definition here.? Nullinguists will, of course, scorn it. ? --Bob ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Obviously that's very technical; it makes poetry that matters to most people only a social sublimation of a linguistic infrastructure. There are problems with elements of this model, but _as_ a model (an abstract formulation of the way language works) it accounts for a fundamental fact of poetry--that it builds works of art out of materials and patterns that we learn as infants and that constitute our everyday speech; that these materials and patterns have other (roughly, non-poetic) functions in our everyday speech; but that all utterance can be examined for all six of Jakobson's functions (Referential, Conative, Emotive, Phatic, Metalinguistic, Poetic), and described as the interaction of their operations. As I say, this means that what we call "poetry" is a social construction serving political, economic, and psychodynamic purposes, and that the forces of ideology, economics, and psychological need impose historical constraints on what is called poetry at any particular time. * Years ago I objected that we have no way of knowing that poetry (or any other social modality) perhaps hadn't played itself out in sufficient detail to give us any idea, yet, of its center or defining parameters--that ultimately we might find ourselves discussing poetry as a play of colors, or of distinct neurological patterns, or of adjustments to the table of elements. That was probably silly and excessive, but I'd still say that the history of poetic change, variation, diversity, and functionality has rapidly produced a situation in which finding a center or defining parameters is (literally) a baseless enterprise--steered, again, by ideology and self-interest. * Wikipedia says: *"Poetry* (from the Greek 'poiesis'/??????? [poieo/?????], a making: a forming, creating, or the art of poetry, or a poem) is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning ." That's adorable. Of course, I haven't tracked back into the abyss of searching their definition of "literary," "art," "language," "aesthetic," or "meaning," much less "evocative." What's the bet that if I do that, I'll run into a deep logical circularity? * Coleridge: ""I wish our clever young poets would remember my homely definitions of prose and poetry; that is, prose = words in their best order; poetry = the best words in their best order." I can certainly see the appeal of this to a certain kind of workshop snob: that is, the one who is sure s/he knows, either intuitively or through some sort of training, what "best" means in this context. Bon courage, folks-- Jerry On 1/28/2012 10:21 AM, stephen russell wrote: > Bob, I'm afraid I have to revise my opinion of Dana Gioia. I'm reading > Disappearing Ink. The guy is a good critic. > > Having said that, I'm also having an existential crisis. I NEED a > definition of poetry. What the fuck is it? ... excuse the expli ... > What is poetry? > > Is it pretty sounds? > A way of arranging pretty sounds? > Does anyone actually know what poetry is or isn't? ... but let's stick > with is ... i've got a grip on what language poetry is ... put an > adjective before the word poetry and i'm o.k. > > It's the word poetry that's keeping me awake. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Jan 28 13:24:23 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:24:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman Message-ID: <28822426.1327775064005.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 14:04:08 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <4F2430E3.9070906@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <1327777448.61192.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob does place "great value on definition." Glad someone does. Or, in the words of Bobbi Lurie, a poet Anny once featured on Poets Corner: bob is sincere, i feel. he is so serious about his work. some of his math poems are truly beautiful. tell him i said so -- i think bob deserves more respect and validation for his work --i may not understand the dynamics of it all, though... ... there, I told him ... the math poet has a fan base. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:31 PM I'm more than happy to let Bob settle this once and for all, but I don't mind either giving him some grist to grind. (He places a great value on definition, I know; I'm more inclined to let the multiplicities absorb the limitations of one's praxis.) But in advance of the possibility that Stephen's question results in wholesale riot on the list, I want to get in early and get to my bomb shelter. * My favorite attempt (I won't say it's a success) at definition is Roman Jakobson's: "the projection of the principle of equivalence from the axis of selection to the axis of combination." Obviously that's very technical; it makes poetry that matters to most people only a social sublimation of a linguistic infrastructure. There are problems with elements of this model, but _as_ a model (an abstract formulation of the way language works) it accounts for a fundamental fact of poetry--that it builds works of art out of materials and patterns that we learn as infants and that constitute our everyday speech; that these materials and patterns have other (roughly, non-poetic) functions in our everyday speech; but that all utterance can be examined for all six of Jakobson's functions (Referential, Conative, Emotive, Phatic, Metalinguistic, Poetic), and described as the interaction of their operations. As I say, this means that what we call "poetry" is a social construction serving political, economic, and psychodynamic purposes, and that the forces of ideology, economics, and psychological need impose historical constraints on what is called poetry at any particular time. * Years ago I objected that we have no way of knowing that poetry (or any other social modality) perhaps hadn't played itself out in sufficient detail to give us any idea, yet, of its center or defining parameters--that ultimately we might find ourselves discussing poetry as a play of colors, or of distinct neurological patterns, or of adjustments to the table of elements. That was probably silly and excessive, but I'd still say that the history of poetic change, variation, diversity, and functionality has rapidly produced a situation in which finding a center or defining parameters is (literally) a baseless enterprise--steered, again, by ideology and self-interest. * Wikipedia says: "Poetry (from the Greek 'poiesis'/??????? [poieo/?????], a making: a forming, creating, or the art of poetry, or a poem) is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning." That's adorable. Of course, I haven't tracked back into the abyss of searching their definition of "literary," "art," "language," "aesthetic," or "meaning," much less "evocative." What's the bet that if I do that, I'll run into a deep logical circularity? * Coleridge: ""I wish our clever young poets would remember my homely definitions of prose and poetry; that is, prose = words in their best order; poetry = the best words in their best order." I can certainly see the appeal of this to a certain kind of workshop snob: that is, the one who is sure s/he knows, either intuitively or through some sort of training, what "best" means in this context. Bon courage, folks-- Jerry On 1/28/2012 10:21 AM, stephen russell wrote: Bob, I'm afraid I have to revise my opinion of Dana Gioia. I'm reading Disappearing Ink. The guy is a good critic. Having said that, I'm also having an existential crisis. I NEED a definition of poetry. What the fuck is it? ... excuse the expli ... What is poetry? Is it pretty sounds? A way of arranging pretty sounds? Does anyone actually know what poetry is or isn't? ... but let's stick with is ... i've got a grip on what language poetry is ... put an adjective before the word poetry and i'm o.k. It's the word poetry that's keeping me awake. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 14:06:45 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:06:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse Message-ID: *Today marks the start of an exciting project at *All Things Considered*. Each month we'll be bringing in a poet to spend time in the newsroom ? and at the end, to compose a poem reflecting on the day's news.* http://www.npr.org/2012/01/27/145985904/newspoet-tracy-k-smith-writes-the-day-in-verse ** * * -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 14:19:35 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:19:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327777448.61192.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327777448.61192.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AFEE1DD10CB408FA446D3B136F98A27@BobHP> Bob does place "great value on definition." Glad someone does. Or, in the words of Bobbi Lurie, a poet Anny once featured on Poets Corner: bob is sincere, i feel. he is so serious about his work. some of his math poems are truly beautiful. tell him i said so -- i think bob deserves more respect and validation for his work --i may not understand the dynamics of it all, though... ... there, I told him ... the math poet has a fan base. Hey, Betsey Franco is on record as saying I?m her favorite poet! Of course, that may be because she is the only serious long division poet in the world . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 14:35:35 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:35:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <3AFEE1DD10CB408FA446D3B136F98A27@BobHP> Message-ID: <1327779335.14130.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> & you're a frivolous long division poet? Franco must be good. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:19 PM Bob does place "great value on definition." Glad someone does. Or, in the words of Bobbi Lurie, a poet Anny once featured on Poets Corner: bob is sincere, i feel. he is so serious about his work. some of his math poems are truly beautiful. tell him i said so -- i think bob deserves more respect and validation for his work --i may not understand the dynamics of it all, though... ... there, I told him ... the math poet has a fan base. ? Hey, Betsey Franco is on record as saying I?m her favorite poet!? Of course, that may be because she is the only serious long division poet in the world . . . ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 15:03:52 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:03:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <4F2430E3.9070906@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <1327781032.30753.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> guess i fit into the snob catagory because i like the Coleridge definition, and because, since poems tend to be rather brief, the words should be the best words. in fact, this equation ( prose = words in their best order; poetry =? ) the best words in their best order. ) could lead to something interesting ... --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:31 PM I'm more than happy to let Bob settle this once and for all, but I don't mind either giving him some grist to grind. (He places a great value on definition, I know; I'm more inclined to let the multiplicities absorb the limitations of one's praxis.) But in advance of the possibility that Stephen's question results in wholesale riot on the list, I want to get in early and get to my bomb shelter. * My favorite attempt (I won't say it's a success) at definition is Roman Jakobson's: "the projection of the principle of equivalence from the axis of selection to the axis of combination." Obviously that's very technical; it makes poetry that matters to most people only a social sublimation of a linguistic infrastructure. There are problems with elements of this model, but _as_ a model (an abstract formulation of the way language works) it accounts for a fundamental fact of poetry--that it builds works of art out of materials and patterns that we learn as infants and that constitute our everyday speech; that these materials and patterns have other (roughly, non-poetic) functions in our everyday speech; but that all utterance can be examined for all six of Jakobson's functions (Referential, Conative, Emotive, Phatic, Metalinguistic, Poetic), and described as the interaction of their operations. As I say, this means that what we call "poetry" is a social construction serving political, economic, and psychodynamic purposes, and that the forces of ideology, economics, and psychological need impose historical constraints on what is called poetry at any particular time. * Years ago I objected that we have no way of knowing that poetry (or any other social modality) perhaps hadn't played itself out in sufficient detail to give us any idea, yet, of its center or defining parameters--that ultimately we might find ourselves discussing poetry as a play of colors, or of distinct neurological patterns, or of adjustments to the table of elements. That was probably silly and excessive, but I'd still say that the history of poetic change, variation, diversity, and functionality has rapidly produced a situation in which finding a center or defining parameters is (literally) a baseless enterprise--steered, again, by ideology and self-interest. * Wikipedia says: "Poetry (from the Greek 'poiesis'/??????? [poieo/?????], a making: a forming, creating, or the art of poetry, or a poem) is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning." That's adorable. Of course, I haven't tracked back into the abyss of searching their definition of "literary," "art," "language," "aesthetic," or "meaning," much less "evocative." What's the bet that if I do that, I'll run into a deep logical circularity? * Coleridge: ""I wish our clever young poets would remember my homely definitions of prose and poetry; that is, prose = words in their best order; poetry = the best words in their best order." I can certainly see the appeal of this to a certain kind of workshop snob: that is, the one who is sure s/he knows, either intuitively or through some sort of training, what "best" means in this context. Bon courage, folks-- Jerry On 1/28/2012 10:21 AM, stephen russell wrote: Bob, I'm afraid I have to revise my opinion of Dana Gioia. I'm reading Disappearing Ink. The guy is a good critic. Having said that, I'm also having an existential crisis. I NEED a definition of poetry. What the fuck is it? ... excuse the expli ... What is poetry? Is it pretty sounds? A way of arranging pretty sounds? Does anyone actually know what poetry is or isn't? ... but let's stick with is ... i've got a grip on what language poetry is ... put an adjective before the word poetry and i'm o.k. It's the word poetry that's keeping me awake. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As for my definition of poetry, it?s simple: a work containing words intended to give aesthetic pleasure that contains a significant number of flow-breaks, line-breaks being the most common kind. I will not (again) defend this definition here. Nullinguists will, of course, scorn it. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 15:29:47 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:29:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327779335.14130.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327779335.14130.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11533047ECD848948FCC59F1307A8821@BobHP> From: stephen russell Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:35 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman & you're a frivolous long division poet? Franco must be good. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:19 PM Bob does place "great value on definition." Glad someone does. Or, in the words of Bobbi Lurie, a poet Anny once featured on Poets Corner: bob is sincere, i feel. he is so serious about his work. some of his math poems are truly beautiful. tell him i said so -- i think bob deserves more respect and validation for his work --i may not understand the dynamics of it all, though... ... there, I told him ... the math poet has a fan base. Hey, Betsey Franco is on record as saying I?m her favorite poet! Of course, that may be because she is the only serious long division poet in the world . . . BESIDES ME!!!!! (Yikes, I type almost as too fast as you do, Stephen!) --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 15:33:51 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:33:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1327781032.30753.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327781032.30753.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <466B736F40E749B9B57861F84137EB6C@BobHP> guess i fit into the snob catagory because i like the Coleridge definition, and because, since poems tend to be rather brief, the words should be the best words. It?s an opinion, not a definition?and only about one aspect of poetry. But good considering when it was made. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I certainly haven?t kept track of him?since he daringly started a program to help Shakespeare become better known. As for changing my mind about things like this, I don?t think I do?but I don?t think I have much chance to since I really haven?t broadcast too many ratings of specific poets and critics. Counter-thought: that no critic I?ve ever criticized for limited awareness of poetry has ever broadened to my knowledge. The only one I?ve kept track of because I subscribe to the New Criterion is William Logan, and he certainly hasn?t changed in the years I?ve been reading him. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also included is a link to several video-recordings of Flynn reading his work, an interview with the Library of Congress as well as with Alizah Salario, a number of reviews of the book, and an author bio. Enjoy! My best, Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum, Founder & Editor Contact us at AndrewMcFadyenKetchum at PoemoftheWeek.org Donate to PoemoftheWeek.org at http://poemoftheweek.org/id294.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also included is a link to several video-recordings of Flynn reading his work, an interview with the Library of Congress as well as with Alizah Salario, a number of reviews of the book, and an author bio. Enjoy! My best, Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum, Founder & Editor Contact us at AndrewMcFadyenKetchum at PoemoftheWeek.org Donate to PoemoftheWeek.org at http://poemoftheweek.org/id294.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith Writes The Day In Verse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEAC2DF2D015EE-185C-EA74@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> I heard this on the radio yesterday and I thought what an odd idea for a NPR segment. Why was NPR asking poets to write off the cuff poems about the day's news and recite them on the air? Then it hit me: One of recently and frequently mentioned sponsors of NPR is the Poetry Foundation! Oh well,quid pro quo, I guess. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse Today marks the start of an exciting project at All Things Considered. Each month we'll be bringing in a poet to spend time in the newsroom ? and at the end, to compose a poem reflecting on the day's news. http://www.npr.org/2012/01/27/145985904/newspoet-tracy-k-smith-writes-the-day-in-verse -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith Writes The Day In Verse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com> This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Today marks the start of an exciting project at All Things Considered. Each month we'll be bringing in a poet to spend time in the newsroom ? and at the end, to compose a poem reflecting on the day's news. > > http://www.npr.org/2012/01/27/145985904/newspoet-tracy-k-smith-writes-the-day-in-verse > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theoldmole at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 22:59:49 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:59:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <1630394.1327787418749.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1630394.1327787418749.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The worst words are smurf, inveigh, and Kim Kardashian. Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2012, at 4:50 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > What are the worst words? Just so I can avoid them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob grumman > Sent: Jan 28, 2012 3:33 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman > > > > > guess i fit into the snob catagory because i like the Coleridge definition, and because, since poems tend to be rather brief, the words should be the best words. > > It?s an opinion, not a definition?and only about one aspect of poetry. But good considering when it was made. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 03:57:44 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:57:44 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse In-Reply-To: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com> References: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com> Message-ID: I thought it was quite an idea, but then, as James says, there is a quid! On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 28, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > > *Today marks the start of an exciting project at *All Things Considered*. > Each month we'll be bringing in a poet to spend time in the newsroom ? and > at the end, to compose a poem reflecting on the day's news.* > > > http://www.npr.org/2012/01/27/145985904/newspoet-tracy-k-smith-writes-the-day-in-verse > > > ** > > * > * > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 04:06:27 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:06:27 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <16908136.1327796850211.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16908136.1327796850211.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I added it to the other quotations: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=287 and the New Poetry Mailing LIst page: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 Have a nice weekend, Anny On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM, wrote: > Yup. He said it better. > > I can understand that some people could use a definition, at least > professionally, but I don't think poets need one. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Jan 28, 2012 7:15 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition > > A definition of poetry can only determine what poetry should be and not > what poetry actually was and is; otherwise the most concise formula would > be: Poetry is that which at some time and some place was named thus. (#114) > > ?Friedrich Schlegel, *Dialogue on Poetry & Literary Aphorisms*, > translation by Behler & Struc (Penn. State U. Press, 1968) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith Writes The Day In Verse In-Reply-To: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com> References: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DBD7748C1C74409925EE2B2757BBB89@BobHP> From: Tad Richards Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:53 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. Right, a great attempt to bring poets up to the level of newscasters! --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 07:06:25 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:06:25 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: wow Grumman, you seem Schlegel! On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM, bob grumman wrote: > A definition of stupidity can only determine what stupidity should be > and not what stupidity actually was and is; otherwise the most concise > formula would be: Stupidity is that which at some time and some place was > named thus. > > ?Bob Grumman > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith Writes The Day In Verse > > This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. > > Right, a great attempt to bring poets up to the level of newscasters! > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theoldmole at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 08:07:35 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:07:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> An attempt to bring poetry up to the level of stupidity? Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > wow Grumman, you seem Schlegel! > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM, bob grumman wrote: > A definition of stupidity can only determine what stupidity should be and not what stupidity actually was and is; otherwise the most concise formula would be: Stupidity is that which at some time and some place was named thus. > > ?Bob Grumman > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Sun Jan 29 09:09:00 2012 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:09:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Amy King In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEACA6AF158C26-1A30-D510@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> On Verse Daily today: http://www.versedaily.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If NPR has a regular segment from a Nobel Laureate in chemistry, does that mean that they think the chemist has something unique to contribute, or that they're somehow placing chemists lower on the pecking order than newscasters? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:20 AM, "bob grumman" wrote: > >> >> >> From: Tad Richards >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:53 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse >> >> This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. >> >> Right, a great attempt to bring poets up to the level of newscasters! >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 29 11:14:09 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:14:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse In-Reply-To: <337EB72D-32C1-4E75-A716-9A1E653E7BEF@gmail.com> References: <8EFEC2AF-955C-4135-B987-CE1DBCCCD090@gmail.com>< 9DBD7748C1C74409925EE2B2757BBB89@BobHP> <337EB72D-32C1-4E75-A716-9A1E653E7BEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A5D2F386B4F4F4ABC103B7706517027@BobHP> From: Tad Richards Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:06 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse This makes no sense at all. If NPR has a regular segment from a Nobel Laureate in chemistry, does that mean that they think the chemist has something unique to contribute, or that they're somehow placing chemists lower on the pecking order than newscasters? It?d make sense if you read what they say at the website, which is that some poet spends a day in the newsroom and then writes a poem about some story covered during the day. On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:20 AM, "bob grumman" wrote: From: Tad Richards Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:53 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Newspoet: Tracy K. Smith Writes The Day In Verse This is not a bad poem at all, and I think it's a terrific idea. Right, a great attempt to bring poets up to the level of newscasters! --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > Amy getting more well deserved kudos! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:09 AM, almaginnes at aol.com wrote: > > On Verse Daily today: > > http://www.versedaily.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Hearing the warbler sing among the blossoms and the frog that lives in the waters?is there any living thing not given to song? It is poetry which, without exertion, moves heaven and earth, stirs the feelings of gods and spirits invisible to the eye, softens the relations between men and women, calms the hearts of fierce warriors. ?Ki no Tsurayuki (868-945), the preface to Kokinsh? (quoted in The Princeton Companion to Classical Japanese Literature, Princeton Univ. Press, 1985) http://www.ursprache.blogspot.com [Posted yesterday on usprache, my blog which today turns 6 years old.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On YouTube, Bethke posted the following statement: ?[It?s a] poem I wrote to highlight the difference between Jesus and false religion. Lesson: to quickly become a well-known poet, use conventional means (I assume Bethke is not a visual or language poet) to express the most standard ?controversial? opinion you can on YouTube. I don?t think a poem I have in mind would do the trick: ?Why I?m No Fan of JC, But Think Christianity Does More Good Than Bad Even Though I Think It?s Insane. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 15:19:43 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:19:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Verse Daily has been kind ... Message-ID: <1327868383.79206.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Verse Daily has been kind to me x 3 (Poem of the Day) today! http://www.versedaily.org/2012/aboutamyking.shtml +? Poetry Daily, the other day -?http://poems.com/feature.php?date=15365 + HTML Giant -?http://htmlgiant.com/random/language-is-the-atmospheric-anomaly-our-fingers-and-tongues-make-happen/ Thank you, Amy? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 29 15:46:38 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:46:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: From: Tad Richards Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:07 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition An attempt to bring poetry up to the level of stupidity? Close, Tad. It?s an attempt to show that to people like Schlegel everything is at the level of poetry. Or would be if they were intelligent enough to be intellectually consistent. (But Schlegel was most of the time a lot brighter than his statement of the definition of poetry suggests.) --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 29 17:10:18 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:10:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com><275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Beauty Truth Art Patriotism Belief Knowledge Music Cooking [...] Substitute any term above (or try to define any term above) and you begin to understand the problem with definitions of things that are conceptual in nature. Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad concepts, got there first of course, but... 'Substitution of terms' is a favorite pastime of mine, Here's a little 'twist' on Witt: Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. ?Ludwig Wittgenstein Poetry is an opening up to the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition From: Tad Richards Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:07 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition An attempt to bring poetry up to the level of stupidity? Close, Tad. It?s an attempt to show that to people like Schlegel everything is at the level of poetry. Or would be if they were intelligent enough to be intellectually consistent. (But Schlegel was most of the time a lot brighter than his statement of the definition of poetry suggests.) --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 17:25:22 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:25:22 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: :-) hehe, there is a saying in Italian that goes: "porta l'acqua al suo mulino...." roughly: *he draws the water to his own mill* On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM, wrote: > Beauty > Truth > Art > Patriotism > Belief > Knowledge > Music > Cooking > [...] > Substitute any term above (or try to define any term above) and you begin > to understand the problem with definitions of things that are conceptual in > nature. Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad concepts, got there > first of course, but... > > 'Substitution of terms' is a favorite pastime of mine, Here's a little > 'twist' on Witt: > > Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by > means of language. > ?Ludwig Wittgenstein > > Poetry is an opening up to the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of > language. > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:50 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > > > *From:* Tad Richards > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:07 AM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > An attempt to bring poetry up to the level of stupidity? > > Close, Tad. It?s an attempt to show that to people like Schlegel *every*thing > is at the level of poetry. Or would be if they were intelligent enough to > be intellectually consistent. (But Schlegel was most of the time a lot > brighter than his statement of the definition of poetry suggests.) > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:19 PM, bob grumman wrote: > > > *From:* jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:47 PM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Christian poet and YouTube phenom > > > http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/loris-centiments/2012/jan/28/interview-inspirational-poet-jeff-bethke/ > > Bethke?s first poem released on YouTube in early to mid January, ?Why I > Hate Religion, but Love Jesus,? drew over 17 million viewers to date, > inciting responses both for and against > > Bethke?s message. Some accused him of being ?anti-church,? which he > stresses he is not. > > On YouTube, Bethke posted the following statement: ?[It?s a] poem I wrote > to highlight the difference between Jesus and false religion. > > Lesson: to quickly become a well-known poet, use conventional means (I > assume Bethke is not a visual or language poet) to express the most > standard ?controversial? opinion you can on YouTube. I don?t think a poem > I have in mind would do the trick: ?Why I?m No Fan of JC, But Think > Christianity Does More Good Than Bad Even Though I Think It?s Insane. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jerry On 1/29/2012 4:10 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Beauty > Truth > Art > Patriotism > Belief > Knowledge > Music > Cooking > [...] > Substitute any term above (or try to define any term above) and you > begin to understand the problem with definitions of things that are > conceptual in nature. Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad > concepts, got there first of course, but... > > 'Substitution of terms' is a favorite pastime of mine, Here's a little > 'twist' on Witt: > > Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by > means of language. > ---Ludwig Wittgenstein > > Poetry is an opening up to the bewitchment of our intelligence by > means of language. > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:50 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > *From:* Tad Richards > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:07 AM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > An attempt to bring poetry up to the level of stupidity? > Close, Tad. It's an attempt to show that to people like Schlegel > /every/thing is at the level of poetry. Or would be if they were > intelligent enough to be intellectually consistent. (But Schlegel was > most of the time a lot brighter than his statement of the definition > of poetry suggests.) > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 29 17:17:45 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:17:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] 5 Jim Harrison poems Message-ID: <8CEACEAF5EEAB1E-EC0-FD96@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> http://poetrydispatch.wordpress.com/ He is Harrison. In some ways, a better writer than Hemingway. Certainly a better poet. Certainly a fuller grasp of the narrative of the natural landscape of America (the Midwest in particular), how it speaks, what it says, how it saves us from ourselves?how it shapes Harrison?s words far beyond the Nick Adams Stories. Forget the myth. Forget the photographs. Goh to the work. There you?ll find him. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s easy to compose a more-than-adequate definition of any of those; what?s hard is getting others to agree to any objective definition because definitions increase the ways that their dishonesty and/or stupidity can be refuted. Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad concepts, got there first of course, but... The first sophist in the records, yes. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 29 18:59:13 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:59:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> Message-ID: That's demonstrably incorrect, Bob. Protagorus is generally considered the first of the Sophists, who were mostly distinguished by the fact that they expected payment money for their teaching. Socrates didn't. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 29, 2012, at 18:02, "bob grumman" wrote: > > > > Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad concepts, got there first of course, but... > > The first sophist in the records, yes. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Mike already corrected you re Socrates.) -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:10 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Beauty Truth Art Patriotism Belief Knowledge Music Cooking [...] Substitute any term above (or try to define any term above) and you begin to understand the problem with definitions of things that are conceptual in nature. It?s easy to compose a more-than-adequate definition of any of those; what?s hard is getting others to agree to any objective definition because definitions increase the ways that their dishonesty and/or stupidity can be refuted. Socrates, the inveterate questioner of broad concepts, got there first of course, but... The first sophist in the records, yes. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just so I can avoid them. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bob grumman >> Sent: Jan 28, 2012 3:33 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] addressed to Bob Grumman >> >> >> >> >> guess i fit into the snob catagory because i like the Coleridge definition, and because, since poems tend to be rather brief, the words should be the best words. >> >> It?s an opinion, not a definition?and only about one aspect of poetry. But good considering when it was made. >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 29 20:07:34 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:07:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com><275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com><8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com><1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> <8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:18 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Or more (or less) adequate, shall we say... For any definition of poetry, wait a while, and another poem will come along to disprove the case. None has yet ?disproved? my definition of poetry, but nullinguists will always say that some ?poem? has, or will find some text at the border of my definition that the definition may or may not cover, but my definition is only adequate for rational people, not perfect, since no definition can take care of every trivial item at its borders. (Mike already corrected you re Socrates.) I?m not sure I accept his correction. I consider the definition of sophist to be much more than taking money for philosophical teachings, principally showing ways to defeat the truth through fallacious reasoning the way Socrates does. I would add that if Socrates was not the first full-scale sophist recorded, he wouldn?t have been the first to use sophistry against the definition of concepts. Not that it matters; call him the first recorded opponent of defining words. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahadada at gol.com Sun Jan 29 20:49:50 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:49:50 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is Message-ID: any event, or non-event, any artifact, anything drawn from the gold mines or the junk piles of our experience and written in slack, stacked lines with gutters, screamed on video, moaned on websites, danced, or generated by computers, or--better yet-- both. If we "project our desire" (see Pascal's Provincial Letters for an amplification) that X is poetry and Y is not, then X it is. Of course it's nice if some corporate entity agrees with you--especially a monied one, but even that doesn't matter. This is the present paradigm. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 29 21:10:37 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:10:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F09163D341146BFAFFD6AA50675AD69@BobHP> -----Original Message----- From: ahadada at gol.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:49 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is any event, or non-event, any artifact, anything drawn from the gold mines or the junk piles of our experience and written in slack, stacked lines with gutters, screamed on video, moaned on websites, danced, or generated by computers, or--better yet-- both. If we "project our desire" (see Pascal's Provincial Letters for an amplification) that X is poetry and Y is not, then X it is. Of course it's nice if some corporate entity agrees with you--especially a monied one, but even that doesn't matter. This is the present paradigm. Only for imbeciles. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 29 21:10:31 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:10:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> <8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> Never has been a universally accepted definition of poetry across all human cultures, or even across the various parts of any given culture larger than, say, a mid-size tribe, and never for very for very long even in such a case as that. It's certainly not like maths (yes, plural), which can be constructed from (mostly) self-coherent rule sets, which may or may not have applications in the "real" world, but the properties of which anyone who cares to spend the time with the system can verify or falsify. And yes, I do how difficult?perhaps impossible?it is to think clearly about things as fundamental as number theory. The difficulties ARE at the foundations, not in everyday use. Adding well is easy?you can write an algorithm that will do it correctly every time?but rhyming well is hard. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 29, 2012, at 20:07, "bob grumman" wrote: > > > From: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:18 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > Or more (or less) adequate, shall we say... > > For any definition of poetry, wait a while, and another poem will come along to disprove the case. > > None has yet ?disproved? my definition of poetry, but nullinguists will always say that some ?poem? has, or will find some text at the border of my definition that the definition may or may not cover, but my definition is only adequate for rational people, not perfect, since no definition can take care of every trivial item at its borders. > > (Mike already corrected you re Socrates.) > > I?m not sure I accept his correction. I consider the definition of sophist to be much more than taking money for philosophical teachings, principally showing ways to defeat the truth through fallacious reasoning the way Socrates does. I would add that if Socrates was not the first full-scale sophist recorded, he wouldn?t have been the first to use sophistry against the definition of concepts. Not that it matters; call him the first recorded opponent of defining words. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 29 21:13:40 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:13:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E2E6A15-4A7B-48A9-BA7B-87F3C4BDC6FA@mikesnider.org> Yup. It's even what Bob says it is. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 29, 2012, at 20:49, wrote: > any event, or non-event, any artifact, anything drawn from the gold mines > or the junk piles of our experience and written in slack, stacked lines > with gutters, screamed on video, moaned on websites, danced, or > generated by computers, or--better yet-- both. If we "project our > desire" (see Pascal's Provincial Letters for an amplification) that X > is poetry and Y is not, then X it is. Of course it's nice if some > corporate entity agrees with you--especially a monied one, but even that > doesn't matter. > > This is the present paradigm. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 29 21:20:00 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:20:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is In-Reply-To: <8F09163D341146BFAFFD6AA50675AD69@BobHP> References: <8F09163D341146BFAFFD6AA50675AD69@BobHP> Message-ID: <3E1730DA-04CA-47E1-999F-739B1DEC87A8@mikesnider.org> He's exactly correct, Bob. There is no platonic ideal of poetry. It's always local, in time, space, and cultural and sub-cultural reference. There have been cultures in which there was no poetry as distinct from song and/or story. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 29, 2012, at 21:10, "bob grumman" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ahadada at gol.com > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:49 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is > > any event, or non-event, any artifact, anything drawn from the gold mines > or the junk piles of our experience and written in slack, stacked lines > with gutters, screamed on video, moaned on websites, danced, or > generated by computers, or--better yet-- both. If we "project our > desire" (see Pascal's Provincial Letters for an amplification) that X > is poetry and Y is not, then X it is. Of course it's nice if some > corporate entity agrees with you--especially a monied one, but even that > doesn't matter. > > This is the present paradigm. > > Only for imbeciles. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 30 06:14:42 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:14:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is In-Reply-To: <3E1730DA-04CA-47E1-999F-739B1DEC87A8@mikesnider.org> References: <8F09163D341146BFAFFD6AA50675AD69@BobHP> <3E1730DA-04CA-47E1-999F-739B1DEC87A8@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: From: Michael Snider Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:20 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is He's exactly correct, Bob. There is no platonic ideal of poetry. It's always local, in time, space, and cultural and sub-cultural reference. There have been cultures in which there was no poetry as distinct from song and/or story. I should have said that I was talking about what I call verosophical definitions, which are objective definitions used by the rational that have nothing to do with definitions made up by the ignorant. They are by definition not platonic ideals, for by definition they cover only 99.99999% of cases?that is, the are adequate, not perfect. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 30 06:21:11 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:21:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com><8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com><1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP><8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17 DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> From: Michael Snider Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:10 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Never has been a universally accepted definition of poetry across all human cultures, or even across the various parts of any given culture larger than, say, a mid-size tribe, and never for very for very long even in such a case as that. It's certainly not like maths (yes, plural), which can be constructed from (mostly) self-coherent rule sets, which may or may not have applications in the "real" world, but the properties of which anyone who cares to spend the time with the system can verify or falsify. And yes, I do how difficult?perhaps impossible?it is to think clearly about things as fundamental as number theory. The difficulties ARE at the foundations, not in everyday use. Adding well is easy?you can write an algorithm that will do it correctly every time?but rhyming well is hard. www.mikesnider.org Rhyming well is easy. What?s hard is making a rhyme that works well in the context you put it in. Of course, the nullinguists will tell you that whether two words rhyme or not depends on their pronunciation, which can vary from place to place, but a proper definition takes care of that. A rhyme for a given word is a word that sounds the same as the given word except for one element?in a particular language or dialect or the like. In my poetics. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 30 07:18:01 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:18:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is In-Reply-To: References: <8F09163D341146BFAFFD6AA50675AD69@BobHP> <3E1730DA-04CA-47E1-999F-739B1DEC87A8@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <341BA197-DB9F-4536-9BC2-A9AFEB7F8DC0@mikesnider.org> Yada yada yada www.mikesnider.org On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:14, "bob grumman" wrote: > > > From: Michael Snider > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:20 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Is Anything We Say It Is > > He's exactly correct, Bob. There is no platonic ideal of poetry. It's always local, in time, space, and cultural and sub-cultural reference. There have been cultures in which there was no poetry as distinct from song and/or story. > > I should have said that I was talking about what I call verosophical definitions, which are objective definitions used by the rational that have nothing to do with definitions made up by the ignorant. They are by definition not platonic ideals, for by definition they cover only 99.99999% of cases?that is, the are adequate, not perfect. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 30 08:25:47 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:25:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> <8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17 DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> <5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> Message-ID: <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> www.mikesnider.org On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:21, "bob grumman" wrote: > Rhyming well is easy. What?s hard is making a rhyme that works well in the context you put it in. When the subject is making a poem, Bob, and not a rhyming dictionary, rhyming well is far from easy. Even the latter task is not simple, given the myriad dialects of the major languages and the disparate histories of poetic practice in various cultures. That you could make such a statement shows how utterly tangential your pronouncements are to the real work that poets do ? unless they happen to be making your particular kind of poems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 30 08:55:40 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:55:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] From the Chronicle of Higher Education Message-ID: <57F3F721-EC07-4538-9A0B-4AC9A9B9663F@mikesnider.org> http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/mondays-poem-lemon-tree-by-jennifer-atkinson/43253?sid=cr&utm_source=cr&utm_medium=en They print a poem by Jennifer Atkinson written in homage to the work of the painter Agnes Martin. Don't think much of the poem one way or the other, but I'm glad to have been pointed to Martin's work - which I think Bob Grumman would like. But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her comments on the poem: "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." Eidetic lyricism? And just what does that eidetic lyricism owe to limned verbal verbal restraint or to passionate sparseness, whatever either one of those might mean? www.mikesnider.org From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 30 11:03:38 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:03:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com><275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com><1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP><8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17 DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com><325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org>< 5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: From: Michael Snider Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:25 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition www.mikesnider.org On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:21, "bob grumman" wrote: Rhyming well is easy. What?s hard is making a rhyme that works well in the context you put it in. When the subject is making a poem, Bob, and not a rhyming dictionary, rhyming well is far from easy. Even the latter task is not simple, given the myriad dialects of the major languages and the disparate histories of poetic practice in various cultures. I don?t think you think when you read what I say, Mike. You pretty much repeated what I said?except for bringing up the irrelevant fact that people pronounce words differently from one another. But I?m talking about rhyming in your own language, or sub-language. That you could make such a statement shows how utterly tangential your pronouncements are to the real work that poets do ? unless they happen to be making your particular kind of poems. That you could make such a statement shows how important for some reason it is for you to believe I know a lot less about poetry in general than you do. Perhaps if you read my book, Of Manywhere-at-Once (out-of-print, alas), you?d change your mind. I tend to doubt it. The main narrative of that book concerns my attempt to write a sonnet. It contains 15 versions of that sonnet, with tons of comments about my concerns as I wrote. The sonnet was still ?n-progress at the end of the book, and may still be, I?m not sure. About half of the many other poems I discuss in detail are conventional, half my ?particular kind of poems.? Perhaps my comments on the former were tangential. All I know is that I gave them my best shot. Ditto my comments on those sonnets of yours that I wrote about at my blog. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her comments on the poem: "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." Eidetic lyricism? And just what does that eidetic lyricism owe to limned verbal verbal restraint or to passionate sparseness, whatever either one of those might mean? www.mikesnider.org Seems to me gush about gush, Mike. I believe I?ve seen and liked some paintings by Martin but can?t remember them. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is no platonic ideal of poetry. It's > always local, in time, space, and cultural and sub-cultural reference. > There have been cultures in which there was no poetry as distinct from song > and/or story. > > I should have said that I was talking about what I call verosophical > definitions, which are objective definitions used by the rational that have > nothing to do with definitions made up by the ignorant. They are by > definition *not* platonic ideals, for by definition they cover only > 99.99999% of cases?that is, the are adequate, not perfect. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > > > http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/mondays-poem-lemon-tree-by-jennifer-atkinson/43253?sid=cr&utm_source=cr&utm_medium=en > > They print a poem by Jennifer Atkinson written in homage to the work of > the painter Agnes Martin. Don't think much of the poem one way or the > other, but I'm glad to have been pointed to Martin's work - which I think > Bob Grumman would like. > > But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her > comments on the poem: > > "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part > to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." > > Eidetic lyricism? And just what does that eidetic lyricism owe to limned > verbal verbal restraint or to passionate sparseness, whatever either one of > those might mean? > > www.mikesnider.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 13:11:43 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:11:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Christian poet and YouTube phenom In-Reply-To: <07F580AEFB534E7F9238F5D844CD2BA3@BobHP> References: <8CEACD5F82DDDCC-1CB0-EB2B@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <68C690F2A3284676A54032D0C6F724E8@BobHP> <07F580AEFB534E7F9238F5D844CD2BA3@BobHP> Message-ID: Don't despair, Bob, one never knows, and fundamentally, long lives are always too short.... On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM, bob grumman wrote: > > > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:26 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Christian poet and YouTube phenom > > Bob, you should read Philip K. Dick, his last trilogy, then you would > speak in a different way. > Maybe I have, Anny. I?ve read a fair amount of his work. I?m not sure > what you feel would change in what I say, but almost all my views of > politics and religion are firmly set, because of the thought I?ve devoted > to them during what has become a long life. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Mon Jan 30 14:12:17 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:12:17 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com><275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com><1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP><8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17 DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com><325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org>< 5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <4F26EB91.3010107@louisiana.edu> Some interesting exchanges about definition/definitions/the impossibility of definition(s)/the use(ful)(less)ness of definitions. Maybe there's a definition of poetry that anyone who isn't an "imbecile" (geez, Bob) might come to accept, without reference to culture, politics, history, etc., though I doubt it. Let that be taken as case one, which clearly isn't being resolved here. Here's a question for case two: assuming that any definition of poetry by a given person, no matter how robust and rigorously imagined, will fail to satisfy _someone_ who cares about poetry, has thought hard about poetry, has compared lots of poetries, and/or has written stuff that lots of other people think is poetry, what is the point of definition? I don't mean that rhetorically. I mean, even if you don't believe that a decisive definition of poetry is possible in principle, what purpose does your own best thinking about your own and other persons' attempts to define poetry serve for you? Does it affect your practice? Does it affect your judgment of poems by yourself or others? Does it reassure you when you need reassurance--i.e., serve some psychological/emotional need? Does it position you in relation to other poets you like or don't like? For me, my own definitions--inasmuch as they're conscious and worked out--are cobbled together out of all the stuff that's mattered to me as a writer, and I'm constantly pressed deeper into the understanding that a key dimension of any art form is its capacity to expand into new culture, new history--to reinvent itself (and with that, any effort to define it) as it opens or closes (sometimes art has to close itself under historical pressures). Yet I don't feel comfortable with "everything is poetry." If that's the case I'd want to ask, is everything equally poetry? Is everything-as-poem equally valuable? Does value enter into what poetry is at all? I don't see how it couldn't. At least, poetry as a cultural form in which value doesn't matter sinks poetry for me--what's the point, if there's no way to say that "poem" A does more to make some dimension of life better or worse than "poem" B? (Of course such a system of values could be purely idiosyncratic, just locked in my head. In which case, there's no difference between talking about the "poems" I prefer and the one a cousin of mine who has only read two "poems" in his life, prefers. Again, I don't see the point, then, of going on with it.) So my involvement in a larger process of definition keeps me verifying and falsifying, affirming and denying, repudiating, affiliating, loving and hating. It takes place in explicit statements about what poems are (as in the _Biographia Literaria_, which I've been reading this morning) and implicit statements about what poems are (i.e., poems, and reactions to poems). Nothing's settled, and probably nothing _can_ be settled--especially the claim that it's not worth trying to settle anything. Jerry On 1/30/2012 10:03 AM, bob grumman wrote: > *From:* Michael Snider > *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 8:25 AM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > > www.mikesnider.org > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:21, "bob grumman" > wrote: > >> Rhyming well is easy. What's hard is making a rhyme that works well >> in the context you put it in. > > When the subject is making a poem, Bob, and not a rhyming dictionary, > rhyming well is far from easy. Even the latter task is not simple, > given the myriad dialects of the major languages and the disparate > histories of poetic practice in various cultures. > I don't think you think when you read what I say, Mike. You pretty > much repeated what I said---except for bringing up the irrelevant fact > that people pronounce words differently from one another. But I'm > talking about rhyming in your own language, or sub-language. > That you could make such a statement shows how utterly tangential your > pronouncements are to the real work that poets do -- unless they > happen to be making your particular kind of poems. > That you could make such a statement shows how important for some > reason it is for you to believe I know a lot less about poetry in > general than you do. Perhaps if you read my book, /Of > Manywhere-at-Once/ (out-of-print, alas), you'd change your mind. I > tend to doubt it. The main narrative of that book concerns my attempt > to write a sonnet. It contains 15 versions of that sonnet, with tons > of comments about my concerns as I wrote. The sonnet was still > --n-progress at the end of the book, and may still be, I'm not sure. > About half of the many other poems I discuss in detail are > conventional, half my "particular kind of poems." Perhaps my comments > on the former were tangential. All I know is that I gave them my best > shot. Ditto my comments on those sonnets of yours that I wrote about > at my blog. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Jan 30 14:22:06 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:22:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] From the Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: References: <57F3F721-EC07-4538-9A0B-4AC9A9B9663F@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Carol, and I do vaguely see some formal connection between Atkinson's and Martin's work - I just have more interest in those particular formalisms in visual art than in poetry. What I was really puzzled by was that opening sentence by the Chronicle's blogger. www.mikesnider.org On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:36, carol dorf wrote: > I think the poem is an attempt at Agnes Martin's linear minimalism. > > Both Atkinson's poem and Martin's art leave one with a feeling of uncomfortable constraints. > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > > http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/mondays-poem-lemon-tree-by-jennifer-atkinson/43253?sid=cr&utm_source=cr&utm_medium=en > > They print a poem by Jennifer Atkinson written in homage to the work of the painter Agnes Martin. Don't think much of the poem one way or the other, but I'm glad to have been pointed to Martin's work - which I think Bob Grumman would like. > > But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her comments on the poem: > > "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." > > Eidetic lyricism? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 30 14:27:15 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:27:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <4F26EB91.3010107@louisiana.edu> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com><275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com><1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP><8CEACFBCF529FF7-12FC-17 DD5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com><325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org>< 5F0391F010414C5781E9ED087EAEDF14@BobHP> <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> <4F26EB91.3010107@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <5A70557C3F2243A89060896317C49DE8@BobHP> From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:12 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Some interesting exchanges about definition/definitions/the impossibility of definition(s)/the use(ful)(less)ness of definitions. Maybe there's a definition of poetry that anyone who isn't an "imbecile" (geez, Bob) might come to accept, without reference to culture, politics, history, etc., though I doubt it. Let that be taken as case one, which clearly isn't being resolved here. Here's a question for case two: assuming that any definition of poetry by a given person, no matter how robust and rigorously imagined, will fail to satisfy _someone_ who cares about poetry, has thought hard about poetry, has compared lots of poetries, and/or has written stuff that lots of other people think is poetry, what is the point of definition? I don't mean that rhetorically. I mean, even if you don't believe that a decisive definition of poetry is possible in principle, what purpose does your own best thinking about your own and other persons' attempts to define poetry serve for you? Does it affect your practice? Does it affect your judgment of poems by yourself or others? Does it reassure you when you need reassurance--i.e., serve some psychological/emotional need? Does it position you in relation to other poets you like or don't like? For me, my own definitions--inasmuch as they're conscious and worked out--are cobbled together out of all the stuff that's mattered to me as a writer, and I'm constantly pressed deeper into the understanding that a key dimension of any art form is its capacity to expand into new culture, new history--to reinvent itself (and with that, any effort to define it) as it opens or closes (sometimes art has to close itself under historical pressures). Yet I don't feel comfortable with "everything is poetry." If that's the case I'd want to ask, is everything equally poetry? Is everything-as-poem equally valuable? Does value enter into what poetry is at all? I don't see how it couldn't. At least, poetry as a cultural form in which value doesn't matter sinks poetry for me--what's the point, if there's no way to say that "poem" A does more to make some dimension of life better or worse than "poem" B? (Of course such a system of values could be purely idiosyncratic, just locked in my head. In which case, there's no difference between talking about the "poems" I prefer and the one a cousin of mine who has only read two "poems" in his life, prefers. Again, I don't see the point, then, of going on with it.) So my involvement in a larger process of definition keeps me verifying and falsifying, affirming and denying, repudiating, affiliating, loving and hating. It takes place in explicit statements about what poems are (as in the _Biographia Literaria_, which I've been reading this morning) and implicit statements about what poems are (i.e., poems, and reactions to poems). Nothing's settled, and probably nothing _can_ be settled--especially the claim that it's not worth trying to settle anything. Jerry Quick answer: defining something is the first step toward understanding it as what I call a verosopher, or seeker of significant truths. Understanding things is good. One making poetry needn?t understand it. I think an understanding of it can help a poet, though. An effective definition will be an objective statement of what poetry is, not what its value is. Probably the main source of confusion about defining poetry are all the people who think they?re defining it but are really defining what they think is good poetry. Someone who thinks doggerel is not poetry, for instance. I?ve said all this and more at length too many times to say more here now. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 14:45:35 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:45:35 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <5A70557C3F2243A89060896317C49DE8@BobHP> References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> <4F26EB91.3010107@louisiana.edu> <5A70557C3F2243A89060896317C49DE8@BobHP> Message-ID: Poetry is a seven-letter English word. Now there's an "objective" definition. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM, bob grumman wrote: > > > *From:* Jerry McGuire > *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 2:12 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > Some interesting exchanges about definition/definitions/the > impossibility of definition(s)/the use(ful)(less)ness of definitions. Maybe > there's a definition of poetry that anyone who isn't an "imbecile" (geez, > Bob) might come to accept, without reference to culture, politics, history, > etc., though I doubt it. Let that be taken as case one, which clearly isn't > being resolved here. Here's a question for case two: assuming that any > definition of poetry by a given person, no matter how robust and rigorously > imagined, will fail to satisfy _someone_ who cares about poetry, has > thought hard about poetry, has compared lots of poetries, and/or has > written stuff that lots of other people think is poetry, what is the point > of definition? I don't mean that rhetorically. I mean, even if you don't > believe that a decisive definition of poetry is possible in principle, what > purpose does your own best thinking about your own and other persons' > attempts to define poetry serve for you? Does it affect your practice? Does > it affect your judgment of poems by yourself or others? Does it reassure > you when you need reassurance--i.e., serve some psychological/emotional > need? Does it position you in relation to other poets you like or don't > like? > > > For me, my own definitions--inasmuch as they're conscious and worked > out--are cobbled together out of all the stuff that's mattered to me as a > writer, and I'm constantly pressed deeper into the understanding that a key > dimension of any art form is its capacity to expand into new culture, new > history--to reinvent itself (and with that, any effort to define it) as it > opens or closes (sometimes art has to close itself under historical > pressures). Yet I don't feel comfortable with "everything is poetry." If > that's the case I'd want to ask, is everything equally poetry? Is > everything-as-poem equally valuable? Does value enter into what poetry is > at all? I don't see how it couldn't. At least, poetry as a cultural form in > which value doesn't matter sinks poetry for me--what's the point, if > there's no way to say that "poem" A does more to make some dimension of > life better or worse than "poem" B? (Of course such a system of values > could be purely idiosyncratic, just locked in my head. In which case, > there's no difference between talking about the "poems" I prefer and the > one a cousin of mine who has only read two "poems" in his life, prefers. > Again, I don't see the point, then, of going on with it.) > > So my involvement in a larger process of definition keeps me verifying and > falsifying, affirming and denying, repudiating, affiliating, loving and > hating. It takes place in explicit statements about what poems are (as in > the _Biographia Literaria_, which I've been reading this morning) and > implicit statements about what poems are (i.e., poems, and reactions to > poems). Nothing's settled, and probably nothing _can_ be > settled--especially the claim that it's not worth trying to settle > anything. > > Jerry > > Quick answer: defining something is the first step toward understanding it > as what I call a verosopher, or seeker of significant truths. > Understanding things is good. One making poetry needn?t understand it. I > think an understanding of it can help a poet, though. An effective > definition will be an objective statement of what poetry is, not what its > value is. Probably the main source of confusion about defining poetry are > all the people who think they?re defining it but are really defining what > they think is good poetry. Someone who thinks doggerel is not poetry, for > instance. I?ve said all this and more at length too many times to say more > here now. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jan 30 16:50:20 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:50:20 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: References: <8CEAC323D94EE7A-185C-ECDF@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <275AB664-290F-4E36-B3D9-29AC26BC42A3@gmail.com> <8CEACE9EB613858-1948-FCE8@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <1AD71A82F6AF4A4697EDCF1BFCBDC055@BobHP> <325658F0-69F9-4B8C-8D75-CB0C68D02392@mikesnider.org> <2C1FE934-8EE1-4010-9B8A-E033B7FBDD82@mikesnider.org> <4F26EB91.3010107@louisiana.edu> <5A70557C3F2243A89060896317C49DE8@BobHP> Message-ID: My tribe only recognizes 1, 2, and many. And the square root of 1764. c On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Poetry is a seven-letter English word. Now there's an "objective" > definition. From mykelmarsh at comcast.net Mon Jan 30 16:56:08 2012 From: mykelmarsh at comcast.net (mykelmarsh at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <780923361.361305.1327960568026.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Poetry is what a poet creates or frames. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: "NewPoetry List" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:45:35 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Poetry is a seven-letter English word. Now there's an "objective" definition. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen , Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) , Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , Obras P?blicas ; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; Tango Bouquet ; Theory of Harmony ; Rapsodie espagnole ; Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; The Sonnet Project ; G(e)nome ; Winter Journey ; Eclipse ; The Dance of the Red Swan ; Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM, bob grumman < bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net > wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:12 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] without definition Some interesting exchanges about definition/definitions/the impossibility of definition(s)/the use(ful)(less)ness of definitions. Maybe there's a definition of poetry that anyone who isn't an "imbecile" (geez, Bob) might come to accept, without reference to culture, politics, history, etc., though I doubt it. Let that be taken as case one, which clearly isn't being resolved here. Here's a question for case two: assuming that any definition of poetry by a given person, no matter how robust and rigorously imagined, will fail to satisfy _someone_ who cares about poetry, has thought hard about poetry, has compared lots of poetries, and/or has written stuff that lots of other people think is poetry, what is the point of definition? I don't mean that rhetorically. I mean, even if you don't believe that a decisive definition of poetry is possible in principle, what purpose does your own best thinking about your own and other persons' attempts to define poetry serve for you? Does it affect your practice? Does it affect your judgment of poems by yourself or others? Does it reassure you when you need reassurance--i.e., serve some psychological/emotional need? Does it position you in relation to other poets you like or don't like? For me, my own definitions--inasmuch as they're conscious and worked out--are cobbled together out of all the stuff that's mattered to me as a writer, and I'm constantly pressed deeper into the understanding that a key dimension of any art form is its capacity to expand into new culture, new history--to reinvent itself (and with that, any effort to define it) as it opens or closes (sometimes art has to close itself under historical pressures). Yet I don't feel comfortable with "everything is poetry." If that's the case I'd want to ask, is everything equally poetry? Is everything-as-poem equally valuable? Does value enter into what poetry is at all? I don't see how it couldn't. At least, poetry as a cultural form in which value doesn't matter sinks poetry for me--what's the point, if there's no way to say that "poem" A does more to make some dimension of life better or worse than "poem" B? (Of course such a system of values could be purely idiosyncratic, just locked in my head. In which case, there's no difference between talking about the "poems" I prefer and the one a cousin of mine who has only read two "poems" in his life, prefers. Again, I don't see the point, then, of going on with it.) So my involvement in a larger process of definition keeps me verifying and falsifying, affirming and denying, repudiating, affiliating, loving and hating. It takes place in explicit statements about what poems are (as in the _Biographia Literaria_, which I've been reading this morning) and implicit statements about what poems are (i.e., poems, and reactions to poems). Nothing's settled, and probably nothing _can_ be settled--especially the claim that it's not worth trying to settle anything. Jerry Quick answer: defining something is the first step toward understanding it as what I call a verosopher, or seeker of significant truths. Understanding things is good. One making poetry needn?t understand it. I think an understanding of it can help a poet, though. An effective definition will be an objective statement of what poetry is, not what its value is. Probably the main source of confusion about defining poetry are all the people who think they?re defining it but are really defining what they think is good poetry. Someone who thinks doggerel is not poetry, for instance. I?ve said all this and more at length too many times to say more here now. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 17:16:42 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:16:42 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition In-Reply-To: <780923361.361305.1327960568026.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <780923361.361305.1327960568026.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My definition may have been wrong, but yours is ambiguous. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, wrote: > Poetry is what a poet creates or frames. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Halvard Johnson" > *To: *"NewPoetry List" > *Sent: *Monday, January 30, 2012 11:45:35 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [New-Poetry] without definition > > Poetry is a seven-letter English word. Now there's an "objective" > definition. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM, bob grumman wrote: > >> >> >> *From:* Jerry McGuire >> *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 2:12 PM >> *To:* NewPoetry List >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] without definition >> >> Some interesting exchanges about definition/definitions/the >> impossibility of definition(s)/the use(ful)(less)ness of definitions. Maybe >> there's a definition of poetry that anyone who isn't an "imbecile" (geez, >> Bob) might come to accept, without reference to culture, politics, history, >> etc., though I doubt it. Let that be taken as case one, which clearly isn't >> being resolved here. Here's a question for case two: assuming that any >> definition of poetry by a given person, no matter how robust and rigorously >> imagined, will fail to satisfy _someone_ who cares about poetry, has >> thought hard about poetry, has compared lots of poetries, and/or has >> written stuff that lots of other people think is poetry, what is the point >> of definition? I don't mean that rhetorically. I mean, even if you don't >> believe that a decisive definition of poetry is possible in principle, what >> purpose does your own best thinking about your own and other persons' >> attempts to define poetry serve for you? Does it affect your practice? Does >> it affect your judgment of poems by yourself or others? Does it reassure >> you when you need reassurance--i.e., serve some psychological/emotional >> need? Does it position you in relation to other poets you like or don't >> like? >> >> >> For me, my own definitions--inasmuch as they're conscious and worked >> out--are cobbled together out of all the stuff that's mattered to me as a >> writer, and I'm constantly pressed deeper into the understanding that a key >> dimension of any art form is its capacity to expand into new culture, new >> history--to reinvent itself (and with that, any effort to define it) as it >> opens or closes (sometimes art has to close itself under historical >> pressures). Yet I don't feel comfortable with "everything is poetry." If >> that's the case I'd want to ask, is everything equally poetry? Is >> everything-as-poem equally valuable? Does value enter into what poetry is >> at all? I don't see how it couldn't. At least, poetry as a cultural form in >> which value doesn't matter sinks poetry for me--what's the point, if >> there's no way to say that "poem" A does more to make some dimension of >> life better or worse than "poem" B? (Of course such a system of values >> could be purely idiosyncratic, just locked in my head. In which case, >> there's no difference between talking about the "poems" I prefer and the >> one a cousin of mine who has only read two "poems" in his life, prefers. >> Again, I don't see the point, then, of going on with it.) >> >> So my involvement in a larger process of definition keeps me verifying >> and falsifying, affirming and denying, repudiating, affiliating, loving and >> hating. It takes place in explicit statements about what poems are (as in >> the _Biographia Literaria_, which I've been reading this morning) and >> implicit statements about what poems are (i.e., poems, and reactions to >> poems). Nothing's settled, and probably nothing _can_ be >> settled--especially the claim that it's not worth trying to settle >> anything. >> >> Jerry >> >> Quick answer: defining something is the first step toward understanding >> it as what I call a verosopher, or seeker of significant truths. >> Understanding things is good. One making poetry needn?t understand it. I >> think an understanding of it can help a poet, though. An effective >> definition will be an objective statement of what poetry is, not what its >> value is. Probably the main source of confusion about defining poetry are >> all the people who think they?re defining it but are really defining what >> they think is good poetry. Someone who thinks doggerel is not poetry, for >> instance. I?ve said all this and more at length too many times to say more >> here now. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jan 30 17:29:25 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:29:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] without definition Message-ID: <2728661.1327962566027.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Michael Snider wrote: http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/mondays-poem-lemon-tree-by-jennifer-atkinson/43253?sid=cr&utm_source=cr&utm_medium=en They print a poem by Jennifer Atkinson written in homage to the work of the painter Agnes Martin. Don't think much of the poem one way or the other, but I'm glad to have been pointed to Martin's work - which I think Bob Grumman would like. But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her comments on the poem: "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." Eidetic lyricism? And just what does that eidetic lyricism owe to limned verbal verbal restraint or to passionate sparseness, whatever either one of those might mean? www.mikesnider.org _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 30 19:39:58 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:39:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Leveler Poetry writes essays about your poem... In-Reply-To: <1327964557.64308.YahooMailNeo@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1327964164.79812.YahooMailNeo@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1327964557.64308.YahooMailNeo@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEADC7FE0EC262-1768-2821D@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> Cool...a different wrinkle for a litmag. The editors have to write a explanation/justification of their selection. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: POETICS Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Leveler Poetry writes essays about your poem... p.s. You have to click: levelheaded how this poem works for the essay. Here's one on "En Vogue: A Relief" -- http://www.levelerpoetry.com/en-vogue-a-relief-levelheaded/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ochre sun, beleaguered former General, tell me what we need to further wind down that corridor, what happens in the hazard lanes. My daughter doesn't ask these questions; she doesn't have to yet, but it's raining down to broken. Visibility at an all time nothing but ?I told you so,? and ?just shut up and hold on.? --Anthony Robinson, today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 21:41:18 2012 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:41:18 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] From the Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <8CEADB8E411EB2A-1DB8-181FC@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> References: <57F3F721-EC07-4538-9A0B-4AC9A9B9663F@mikesnider.org> <8CEADB8E411EB2A-1DB8-181FC@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link. Maybe I should look at Martin's work again with fresh eyes. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, wrote: > Carol, > I find Agnes Martin's work very open. Lot of air and dare I say distance > in her lines. > > Martin also wrote poems. > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2009/05/not-what-is-seen.html > (This she wrote about one of her poems I think.) > > I believe Edward Hirsch did an homage poem to Agnes Martin. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol dorf > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 2:22 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] From the Chronicle of Higher Education > > I think the poem is an attempt at Agnes Martin's linear minimalism. > > Both Atkinson's poem and Martin's art leave one with a feeling of > uncomfortable constraints. > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > >> >> >> http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/mondays-poem-lemon-tree-by-jennifer-atkinson/43253?sid=cr&utm_source=cr&utm_medium=en >> >> They print a poem by Jennifer Atkinson written in homage to the work of >> the painter Agnes Martin. Don't think much of the poem one way or the >> other, but I'm glad to have been pointed to Martin's work - which I think >> Bob Grumman would like. >> >> But Holy Smokes, here's how the Chronicle?s poetry blogger begins her >> comments on the poem: >> >> "The eidetic lyricism of Jennifer Atkinson?s poetry owes in no small part >> to her limned verbal restraint and passionate sparseness." >> >> Eidetic lyricism? And just what does that eidetic lyricism owe to limned >> verbal verbal restraint or to passionate sparseness, whatever either one of >> those might mean? >> >> www.mikesnider.org >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Carol Dorf > talkingwriting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read the full essay, "New Years, New Yearnings: Discourse, Time, and the National Voyage to a Becoming" at: http://x-pensiverrors.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-years-new-yearnings-discourse-time.html -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 11:12:23 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:12:23 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS -- HINCHAS DE POESIA In-Reply-To: References: <1328022817.28678.YahooMailNeo@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: www.hinchasdepoesia.com Queridos amigos; *Hinchas de Poes?a* is now accepting submissions for its sixth on-line issue. We are interested in writing that captures the many voices of Am?rica. When we say "Am?rica," we mean it in the way that Jos? Mart? did --namely, that the word encapsulates the whole of the Am?ricas, not just the North. We are looking for writing that engages in the world --a geography of voices-- not the kind of "me"-oriented compositions that infest most of the journals we see today; writing that enages with the world; writing that is visceral & compelling. Send us work that you are unsure about, using language that belies the contours of a nameless gloss, work that relies on dialect, nuance & idiomatic panache. Send us your ossified anecdotes, your most rancid alphabets. Past contributors include Toma? ?alamun, Campbell McGrath, Abel Folgar, Yaddyra Peralta, Luivette Resto, Jim Cervantes, Melinda Palacio, Chip Livingston, Marco Bravo, Kristine Chalifoux, James Iredell, David Spicer, Nick Vagnoni, Maureen Alsop, and Stephen Page, among many other talented poets & writers of fiction. You can visit our website for further information. 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Who, for a second, thinks Saeed Jones, Amy King, & Metta S?ma will not create their own suns & cast their own shadows (2 February, 126 Brooklyn, 7:00 PM) & call groundhog day by its true name: Poets Rock Hard Day? {N'est pas moi; Moi; N'est pas moi} ~ Que(e)ry and WORD present Saeed Jones with Metta Sama & Amy King Thursday, February 2nd @ 7 p.m. WORD 126 Franklin Street, Brooklyn, NY 11222 G to Greenpoint Avenue L to Bedford Avenue B62 to Greenpoint Avenue RSVP - https://www.facebook.com/events/117129071740445/ ~~~~~ Apostrophe, Odes, Ekphrasis, Oh My! For as long as we can remember, poets have addressed the sun and moon, distant lovers and heroes, while also separately singing odes to the gods. The Surrealist painter Leonora Carrington once said, "We learn about the soul, and we have to listen to the soul." ?Just as some poets use music for inspiration, ekphrasis is not simply a description of an art work, but influenced by the art work and, sometimes, the artist's life. Carrington's own paintings evidence her own efforts towards querying the world she inhabited beyond the limits of perception; her life also reveals many lively, unconventional turns that inspire and provide unexpected permissions, something poets often require -- consciously or not. In the course of this workshop, we will look at a the work and lives of a variety of artists, as well as poets, and consider how ekphrasis can extend beyond mere description of the visual arts but may also be combined with address (apostrophe) or incorporate the ode as a means to reflect appreciation, and content from, an artist's work. http://www.poetrycoop.com/poetry-workshops/teaching-artists/amy-king ~~~~~ Feb 3, 2012, 6:00pm?|?Martin E. Segal Theatre SAFE Shimmy SLAM: An Eruption of Prose, Poetry & Performance Linda Mart?n Alcoff,?Patricia Ticineto Clough,?Alyson Cole,?Hamid Dabashi,?Elena Glasberg,?Brenda Iijima,?Delores Jones-Brown,?Kyoo Lee,?Jasbir Puar,?Avital Ronell,?Ann Snitow,?Jack Tchen,?Lady Aye,Nasty Canasta The MTA?s public safety campaign, ?If You See Something, Say Something. Call: 1-888-NYC-SAFE,? is now so ubiquitous that we seem no longer to see it. And yet, ten years after 9/11, this posture of heightened scrutiny and perpetual estrangement as an expression of our continued concern with matters of safety and securitization remains. Join us for a decidedly unconventional gathering, in celebration of the publication of?SAFE Issue?(edited by?Alyson Cole?and?Kyoo Lee),?Women?s Studies Quarterly?(Vol. 39, Nos. 1&2, Spr/Sum 2011),?resembling more of a poetry slam than an academic panel, where a variety of artists, activists and scholars will reflect on what they have seen and ?say something? in return. The prose and poetry will be followed by interpretative neo-burlesque performances. With writers, scholars and performers?Linda Alcoff;?Patricia Clough; Hamid Dabashi;Elena Glasberg;?Brenda Iijima;?Delores Jones-Brown;Jasbir Puar;?Avital Ronell;?Ann Snitow;?Jack Tchen;?The Lady Aye;?Nasty Canasta. Co-sponsored by the Center for the Study of Women and Society and The Feminist PressFree and open to the public. At The Graduate Center, CUNY, 365 Fifth Ave btwn 34th & 35th. The building and the venues are fully accessible. For more information please visit?http://centerforthehumanities.org/?or call 212.817.2005 or e-mail?ch at gc.cuny.edu ~~~~~~ I WANT TO MAKE YOU SAFE - http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I learned that compliments of Dana Gioia, the critic Bob denounces. --- On Tue, 1/31/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] more baffling To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 11:46 AM #yiv1994628523 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} First: among the langpo folks on the Buffalo site most were aware of Israel's nukes. Second: it's hard to be shocked by revelations of Stein's well-known views. Tnhere's no news here. Something to think about: Williams shared the then-common sniffiness towards Jews, despite his generally leftist politics. Never as extreme as Pound or Eliot, but not pleasant. Turns out he would have been entitled to an Israeli passport--his mother was of Jewish descent. Then again, who wants an Israeli passport? Like wearing a target. Fortunately, we don't usually go to poets for political advice. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] more baffling Did we ever find out if Gertrude Stein was a fascist? Back in the day, Chirot was baffled by the fact that lango poets on buff/edu didn't know that Israel had nukes. Now they're shocked by personal revelations concerning Stein. How sad ... sadly naive ... -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 15:51:06 2012 From: rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com (Rufus Canterbury) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] who/where/what??? Message-ID: <1328043066.46272.YahooMailNeo@web122213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Son, what do you mean Bobbi Lurie may not exist. What do you mean she sounds like Chirot? Who's this Chirot? ? & you owe some change ... pay back ... understand? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 19:28:02 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:28:02 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Truck driver for February Message-ID: Many, many thanks to Larissa Shmailo for guiding the *Truck* during January. Gerald Schwartz, our driver-editor for February, takes the wheel tomorrow. ?Buen viaje a todos! Serving the tri-state area. 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Thanks in advance, Amy ________________________________ From: "jforjames ? ? http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0403/hirsch/hirsch_poems.html ?? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 31 20:44:33 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:44:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass at 75 Message-ID: <8CEAE9A2E6332E4-2134-349BB@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/2012/01/31/146095212/philip-glass-at-75-listening-with-heart-not-intellect Composer Philip Glass changed the landscape of American music. As a founder of minimalism, Glass came up with a new way to make music and, with it, brought a new audience to the concert halls. Tuesday is Glass' 75th birthday, and the music world is celebrating in a big way with performances and festivals around the globe ? including the premiere of Glass' latest work at Carnegie Hall. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Jan 31 22:09:32 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:09:32 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem recommendations / Ekprhasis? In-Reply-To: <1328060434.38970.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CEAE93D40E3878-1B44-22C13@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <1328060434.38970.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F28ACEC.2090103@louisiana.edu> Amy, are you looking for new poems (for an anthology or something?) or recommendations of published ekphrastic poems? Best, Jerry On 1/31/2012 7:40 PM, amy king wrote: > I have many but would appreciate more! Poem recommendations strictly > or loosely based on the "Ekphrasis" concept? > > Thanks in advance, > > Amy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "jforjames > THE HORIZONTAL LINE (HOMAGE TO AGNES MARTIN) > http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0403/hirsch/hirsch_poems.html > > > > > "Amy King's poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the > 'natural' world ..." > --John Ashbery ( > http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahadada at gol.com Tue Jan 31 22:48:04 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:48:04 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry is Anything We Say It Is Message-ID: <4rVul9Xy.1328068084.5177070.ahadada@gol.com> Jerry, I think your discomfort comes from the socio-economic context from and in which you work as a professor of poetics, having internalized a certain narrative regarding this subject, and expected--indeed have long been paid-- to make judgements derived from that narrative. This encourages you to look for degrees in a process/ event that is now long past increments of any kind, including judgements of value. For this part of my argument, I'd like to follow George Dickie's "institutional theory of art" which seems to make the most sense of all post-post modern artistic endeavor and the presentation/ preservation of it, and apply that theory to poetry. "...art [read poetry/poem] is "any artifact [or process resulting in such artifact], which has had conferred upon it the status of candidate for appreciation by some person or persons acting on behalf of a certain social institution (the art world) [read here the literary "world"--or more accurately "worlds"]. Therefore any artifact, or event--verbal or other--or any process that results in such an artifact or event-- can be baptized as "poetry" or a "poem" if accepted and displayed by literary venues and [though not necessarily] purchased by collectors, libraries, etc. The idea of intention in the creation of poetry is problematic and hinges on the larger concept of individual free will. If it is true, as contemporary science continues to indicate, that human free will is an illusion, then even the idea of intention in poetry is reduced to a congeries of various narratives, contexts and impinging random and ordered events which have an impact upon our choice and ability to engage in the activity of creating an aesthetic experience for an audience--either immediate or deferred. Jess From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 22:56:37 2012 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:56:37 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem recommendations / Ekprhasis? In-Reply-To: <1328060434.38970.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CEAE93D40E3878-1B44-22C13@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <1328060434.38970.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I 've got several in da 3. On Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM, "amy king" wrote: > I have many but would appreciate more! Poem recommendations strictly or > loosely based on the "Ekphrasis" concept? > > Thanks in advance, > > Amy > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "jforjames > > [image: THE HORIZONTAL LINE (HOMAGE TO AGNES MARTIN)] > > http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0403/hirsch/hirsch_poems.html > > > > > > "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' > world ..." > --John Ashbery ( > http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: