From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 01:44:51 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:44:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah, I sent it to Facebook and acknowledged you. I think David will forgive me. If I mess up the post on Facebook, I will lose all the comments and people might think who knows what, talk of the elasticity of Facebook. I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are forcing on me, I did receive a mail from them that neatly tells me that they have so many emails to answer and will probably do when they can but please to see if I can find an answer on their Q&A page. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:34 AM, wrote: > Anny, > David Graham first posted it. I was trying to copy it and it posted it > again. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 4:02 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich > > This is a great poem. Thank you. > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, wrote: > >> Tattered Kaddish**** >> **** >> **** >> Taurean reaper of the wild apple field **** >> messenger from earthmire gleaning **** >> transcripts of fog **** >> in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month **** >> speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides:**** >> **** >> Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel **** >> on ones we knew and loved**** >> **** >> Praise to life though its windows blew shut **** >> on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved**** >> **** >> Praise to life though ones we knew and loved **** >> loved it badly, too well, and not enough**** >> **** >> Praise to life though it tightened like a knot **** >> on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us**** >> **** >> Praise to life giving room and reason **** >> to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable**** >> **** >> Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could.**** >> **** >> 1989**** >> ** ** >> **** >> --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991.**** >> >> Jim Finnegan >> 860-508-2810 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:03 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich >> >> My father at 85 was young, thus Adrienne even younger. >> Death reaps us. >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:45 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> Sad news: >>> >>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/03/adrienne-rich.html >>> >>> >>> Tattered Kaddish >>> >>> >>> Taurean reaper of the wild apple field >>> messenger from earthmire gleaning >>> transcripts of fog >>> in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month >>> speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: >>> >>> Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel >>> on ones we knew and loved >>> >>> Praise to life though its windows blew shut >>> on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved >>> >>> Praise to life though ones we knew and loved >>> loved it badly, too well, and not enough >>> >>> Praise to life though it tightened like a knot >>> on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us >>> >>> Praise to life giving room and reason >>> to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable >>> >>> Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. >>> >>> 1989 >>> >>> --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only 23 copies available for sale from the *...* sevenkitchens.blogspot.com/.../christina-pacosz-how-to-measu... -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 12:33:15 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:33:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of luck with that. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are > forcing on me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The meaningful question is what poets could be consider primarily political poets.? Which requires a definition of ?political.?? Cummings may have been primarily a political poet.? Certainly he was a propagandist for individualism versus collectivism.? I agree more with his many political poems than I do with those of most other poets I know, but wish he hadn?t written them.? Giving people verbal pleasure seems to me a vastly higher goal than preaching. ? --Bob ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > it is a higher goal. the preachers are not poets. or very bad poets. > > --- On *Fri, 3/30/12, bob grumman * wrote: > > > From: bob grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:13 PM > > > > *From:* junction at earthlink.net > *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 2:34 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich > > Allen Ginsberg Carl Sandburg > > It's a very long list. > > The meaningful question is what poets could be consider *primarily*political poets. Which requires a definition of ?political.? Cummings may > have been primarily a political poet. Certainly he was a propagandist for > individualism versus collectivism. I agree more with his many political > poems than I do with those of most other poets I know, but wish he hadn?t > written them. Giving people verbal pleasure seems to me a vastly higher > goal than preaching. > > --Bob > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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William Auden, for one. to be alive in the modern world, and avoid politics, may not be possible. ...even for the artist. sometimes, especially for the artist. --- On Sun, 4/1/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 1:43 PM it is a higher goal. the preachers are not poets. or very bad poets. --- On Fri, 3/30/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:13 PM #yiv1213515471 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1213515471 p{margin:0px;} ? ? From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:34 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich ? Allen Ginsberg Carl Sandburg It's a very long list. ? The meaningful question is what poets could be consider primarily political poets.? Which requires a definition of ?political.?? Cummings may have been primarily a political poet.? Certainly he was a propagandist for individualism versus collectivism.? I agree more with his many political poems than I do with those of most other poets I know, but wish he hadn?t written them.? Giving people verbal pleasure seems to me a vastly higher goal than preaching. ? --Bob ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Welcome to my Timeline, folks, :-) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Lots of luck with that. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are >> forcing on me > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqozr_XS6Rw > > Rockaby > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Baratier wrote: > here is a solid article on Rich & her passing > > > http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/rem/03/29/in-remembrance-adrienne-rich/ > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Gad, I envy your ability to zero in on what?s most important of what I say, Hal?especially when I mistype it. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 19:00:39 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I forwarded it to F. > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > > here is a solid article on Rich & her passing > > > > > > http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/rem/03/29/in-remembrance-adrienne-rich/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 13:15:07 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:15:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <1333420885.78541.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1333420885.78541.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hehe, facebook, thus G. and K are covered. Cheers, AB On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:41 AM, David Baratier wrote: > A > > Thanks for forwarding it to F. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 13:47:50 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333475270.44706.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 14:43:43 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy ?The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. ?At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! ?And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! ? *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come back of the previous dictatorships and others... They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the state and the other one is the apathy of the people... ?Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. ? Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis Location: Greece Labels: human rights --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 06:07:43 2012 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:07:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Self-Defence and Other American Jokes I wish I could pretend a poem, Or tend a grief In an innocuous metaphor, for Those already guilty through pity Now that unrest is looking for an arrest And self-defense always wears American colours Time comes when America defends America, not Americans Time comes when enemies on the mind Are more friendly than hooded aliens If self-defense were Afghanistan or Iraqi It would have seen the measure of a nation Plus the smell of global justice So one learns to pretend a poem Or tend one's wounds When justice wishes to remain unjust. --- Obododimma Oha On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, stephen russell wrote: > There are political poems. & poems of outrage. > This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. > A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. > > By > -Joel Dias-Porter > > > TRAYVON > > > > is a story of steam, > rising like > a swarm of hornets, > singeing sight from eyes. > a parable of lava > moldering down a mountain > igniting all green to ash, > the song of a hit recorded, > number 1 with a bullet. > > Is not a story > about "fucking coons" > that "always get away." > > This is not a poem > about Emmet Till, > Amadou Diallo, > or James Byrd Jr. > > It is not the tale of > a "suspicious" hoodie > in the wrong neighborhood > or a trigger finger with > a "squeaky clean record." > Is not a fable of a corpse > with a bullet hole > that was tested for drugs > or a hand freshly coated > with the back flash of phosphorus > that was not. > This is a story > that checks out, > so the only charges > will be on a credit card > for funeral services. > > I did not write this poem > in anger, > I did not write this poem > in "Self-Defense." > I did not write this poem. > Because my pen is empty from > having already written & written this poem. > > These words can be heard > only because > while facedown > on the concrete > of the righthand lane > at 10:37 AM > on April 15th, 1987 > at 19067 Greenbelt Road > my name was not Gregory Habib, > my sternum > could stand the weight > of the knee between > my shoulder blades, > and the monomaniacal eye > at the back of my head > was a .38 revolver > with a 15 lb. trigger pull > and not the 8 lb pull > of a Glock 9mm. > Because it was all just > > a misunderstanding > and have a nice day, Sir. > > It is not true that > my eyes are red > as a bag of Skittles > as I write this, > and if my page is dotted > with drops, it is only > Arizona iced tea that is spilled. > > This poem pertains to no crime, > contains no trees > with branches strong enough > to bear the weight of a black boy, > contains no rope (of any length), > contains not even a single slipknot. > > But it does loop, > like a wandering moose, > a homeward goose, > or a four hundred year old > ruse. > > > > -Joel Dias-Porter > -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 11:27:01 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> this was a mistake.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? since I somehow posted it, here's the actual link -- ? Joe Hill 3:03am Apr 3 http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2012/04/you-are-child-growing-up-in-greece-in.html glykosymoritis: ?You are a child growing up in Greece in the nineties?? glykosymoritis.blogspot.com --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 2:43 PM The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy ?The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. ?At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! ?And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! ? *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come back of the previous dictatorships and others... They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the state and the other one is the apathy of the people... ?Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. ? Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis Location: Greece Labels: human rights --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 11:58:25 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333555105.16519.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> And self-defense always wears American colours ? great line. --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Obododimma Oha wrote: From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:07 AM Self-Defence and Other American Jokes I wish I could pretend a poem, Or tend a grief In an innocuous metaphor, for Those already guilty through pity Now that unrest is looking for an arrest And self-defense always wears American colours Time comes when America defends America, not Americans Time comes when enemies on the mind Are more friendly than hooded aliens If self-defense were Afghanistan or Iraqi It would have seen the measure of a nation Plus the smell of global justice So one learns to pretend a poem Or tend one's wounds When justice wishes to remain unjust. --- Obododimma Oha On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, stephen russell wrote: > There are political poems. & poems of outrage. > This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. > A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. > > By > -Joel Dias-Porter > ??????????????????? > > TRAYVON? > > ??? > > is a story of steam, > rising like > a swarm of hornets, > singeing sight from eyes. > a parable of lava > moldering down a mountain > igniting all green to ash, > the song of a hit recorded, > number 1 with a bullet. > > Is not a story > about "fucking coons" > that "always get away." > > This is not a poem > about Emmet Till, > Amadou Diallo, > or James Byrd Jr. > > It is not the tale of > a "suspicious" hoodie > in the wrong neighborhood > or a trigger finger with > a "squeaky clean record." > Is not a fable of a corpse > with a bullet hole > that was tested for drugs > or a hand freshly coated > with the back flash of phosphorus > that was not. > This is a story > that checks out, > so the only charges > will be on a credit card > for funeral services. > > I did not write this poem > in anger, > I did not write this poem > in "Self-Defense." > I did not write this poem. > Because my pen is empty from > having already written & written this poem. > > These words can be heard > only because > while facedown > on the concrete > of the righthand lane > at 10:37 AM > on April 15th, 1987 > at 19067 Greenbelt Road > my name was not Gregory Habib, > my sternum > could stand the weight > of the knee between > my shoulder blades, > and the monomaniacal eye > at the back of my head > was a .38 revolver > with a 15 lb. trigger pull > and not the 8 lb pull > of a Glock 9mm. > Because it was all just > > a misunderstanding > and have a nice day, Sir. > > It is not true that > my eyes are red > as a bag of Skittles > as I write this, > and if my page is dotted > with drops, it is only > Arizona iced tea that is spilled. > > This poem pertains to no crime, > contains no trees > with branches strong enough > to bear the weight of a black boy, > contains no rope (of any length), > contains not even a single slipknot. > > But it does loop, > like a wandering moose, > a homeward goose, > or a four hundred year old > ruse. ???? > > ?? > > -Joel Dias-Porter ? > -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; ? ? ? ? ? ? +234 802 220 8008; ? ? ? ? ? ? +234 818? 639 5001. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even though I am not a historian but a 71-year-old ? Korean noveliest, ? I gladly accept the mockery of American intellectuals because I myself ridicule them ? for their idealism. ? Did I mention that Mr. Hong, my friend, ? is also a drunk. I shall drink with my friend tonight. ? The two of us will raise ? some hell. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:14:43 2012 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:14:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing Joel's poem, Stephen. Regards. Obododimma. On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, stephen russell wrote: > this was a mistake. since I somehow posted it, here's the actual link -- > > Joe Hill 3:03am Apr 3 > http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2012/04/you-are-child-growing-up-in-greece-in.html > glykosymoritis: ?You are a child growing up in Greece in the nineties?? > glykosymoritis.blogspot.com > > --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 2:43 PM > > The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! > The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. > At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! > And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... > Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! > *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new > Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come > back of the previous dictatorships and others... > They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their > rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the > state and the other one is the apathy of the people... > Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. > > Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis > Location: Greece > Labels: human rights > > --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM > > from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... > > CAMPAIGN PROMISES > > > > > There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, > Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, > Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech > Burns with the rich smell of truth. > > Wave as the crowd surrounds you: > Your confidence, poise: feel it? > Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain > So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. > > No gesture?s too obvious. > In the dark rows of the balcony, > Someone reaches for a gun. > > --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM > > There are political poems. & poems of outrage. > This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. > A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. > > By > -Joel Dias-Porter > > > TRAYVON > > > > is a story of steam, > rising like > a swarm of hornets, > singeing sight from eyes. > a parable of lava > moldering down a mountain > igniting all green to ash, > the song of a hit recorded, > number 1 with a bullet. > > Is not a story > about "fucking coons" > that "always get away." > > This is not a poem > about Emmet Till, > Amadou Diallo, > or James Byrd Jr. > > It is not the tale of > a "suspicious" hoodie > in the wrong neighborhood > or a trigger finger with > a "squeaky clean record." > Is not a fable of a corpse > with a bullet hole > that was tested for drugs > or a hand freshly coated > with the back flash of phosphorus > that was not. > This is a story > that checks out, > so the only charges > will be on a credit card > for funeral services. > > I did not write this poem > in anger, > I did not write this poem > in "Self-Defense." > I did not write this poem. > Because my pen is empty from > having already written & written this poem. > > These words can be heard > only because > while facedown > on the concrete > of the righthand lane > at 10:37 AM > on April 15th, 1987 > at 19067 Greenbelt Road > my name was not Gregory Habib, > my sternum > could stand the weight > of the knee between > my shoulder blades, > and the monomaniacal eye > at the back of my head > was a .38 revolver > with a 15 lb. trigger pull > and not the 8 lb pull > of a Glock 9mm. > Because it was all just > > a misunderstanding > and have a nice day, Sir. > > It is not true that > my eyes are red > as a bag of Skittles > as I write this, > and if my page is dotted > with drops, it is only > Arizona iced tea that is spilled. > > This poem pertains to no crime, > contains no trees > with branches strong enough > to bear the weight of a black boy, > contains no rope (of any length), > contains not even a single slipknot. > > But it does loop, > like a wandering moose, > a homeward goose, > or a four hundred year old > ruse. > > > > -Joel Dias-Porter > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A collaboration about weather with artist Kiki Smith is forthcoming from Lelong Gallery and a collaboration with her husband Richard Tuttle about communicating with plants will open in Munich, fall, 2012.. She lives in New York City and northern New Mexico. TAMIKO BEYER is the author of We Come Elemental, winner of the 2011 Kinereth Gensler Award and forthcoming from Alice James Books, and bough breaks from Meritage Press. She received her M.F.A. from Washington University in St. Louis where she was awarded a Chancellor?s Fellowship. She is a former Kundiman Fellow, a contributing editor to Drunken Boat, and the Advocacy Writer at Corporate Accountability International. She lives in Cambridge, MA. Find her online at wonderinghome.com ROBIN COSTE LEWIS?s work has appeared in various journals, including The Massachusetts Review, Callaloo, The Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review, GCN, The Pocket Myth Series, and anthologized in Black Silk and The Encyclopedia Project, F-K. She was a finalist for both the War Poetry Prize in 2010, and the National Rita Dove Prize in 2004. She has been awarded residencies and fellowships by the Caldera Foundation, the Ragdale Foundation, and others. Currently, she is a Goldwater Fellow at NYU?s Creative Writing Program. Born in Compton, California, her family is from New Orleans. METTA S?MA is author of South of Here (New Issues Press, 2005). Her chapbook, Where Ghosts Camp, is forthcoming from YesYesBooks as both ebook and print. Her poems & book reviews have been published or forthcoming in Blackbird, Crab Orchard Review, Drunken Boat, Diner, Esque, hercircle, Paterson Literary Review, Verse, Vinyl, Zone 3, among others. She is the fiction editor at ragazine.cc. She teaches African American & Women?s Literature at Lehman & Hunter Colleges in NYC. 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She works in publishing and has been able to travel to East Asia, Europe and South America. Ashley is delighted to be reading for Couplet. Liz Axelrod is a graduate student at The New School. She was Managing Editor of two award-winning editions of 12th Street, the New School?s undergraduate literary journal; Editor-in-Chief of www.12thstreetonline.com, and is now a Poetry Reader for LIT Magazine. Liz has been making the rounds of the NYC Poetry Circuit for close to a decade and has been both reader and judge at the Bowery College Poetry Slam, a featured poet at the Yippie Museum?s Monday Night Poet?s Caf?, The Phoenix Reading Series, The Cornelia Street Graduate Series, The Southern Writer's Series, Smalls Jazz Poetry Series, The Lolita Bar, The Renegade Reading Series and The Living Room?s Stories & Songs Residency. Her work has been published in the Cat Oars Fiction Collective, 12th Street, Lyre Lyre, The Rumpus, The Brooklyn Rail, and Electric Literature. She is currently working on her first collection of poems tentatively titled Nowhere Tongue. Amy King is the author of, most recently, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press). She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett, co-edits Esque Magazine and the PEN Poetry Series with Ana Bozicevic, and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College. Readings, reviews and more @ amyking.org ??????????????????????????????????????? THE AFTER-PARTY: DJ Ceremony presents the April edition of the celebrated "Oscillate WIldly" party after the reading from 10:00 p.m. to 4 a.m.. (A volatile, ecstatic all-night Smiths & Morrissey tribute dance party including classics, deep cuts, & new material. Also featuring UK, Britpop, & Manchester. More info (& FB invite) here: http://www.facebook.com/events/205800672853602/ ??????????????????????????????????????? Your Hostess & DJ - Leah Umansky is a New Yorker by birth, a teacher by choice, and an anglophile at heart. Her first book, ?Domestic Uncertainties,? is floating around space and hoping for some lucky editor to say, ?yes!? She received her BA in English/Creative Writing from SUNY Binghamton and her MFA in Poetry from Sarah Lawrence College and is a recipient of a 1-week fellowship at the Norman Mailer Writers Colony. She has been a contributing writer for BOMB Magazine?s BOMBLOG, a poetry reviewer for The Rumpus and a guest blogger for The Best American Poetry Blog. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in: Barrow Street, Holy Diver, Women?s Studies Quarterly,? Contemporary Verse 2, Cream City Review, The Paterson Literary Review, and Magma Poetry. Read more at her blog: http://iammyownheroine.wordpress.com/ DJ Ceremony has been playing in New York City since 2001, at both public & private events. He is the producer & DJ of "Oscillate Wildly", a monthly Smiths & Morrissey tribute dance party in the Lower East Side, and "House Of Commons", A weekly All-British dance party on the Lower East Side. His sound often culls from Postpunk, Glam Rock, 80s, Northern Songs, Indie, Britpop, Analog Retro, Shoegaze, Manchester, Soul, Minneapolis Sound, Dreampop, & British Invasion. http://djceremony.com/ PAGE: https://www.facebook.com/COUPLETREADINGSERIES -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 7 13:05:54 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy Message-ID: <8CEE2F7D4113C59-100C-88C@webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com> http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy. Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different. 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I was absolutely delighted by Kenner's shrewd remarks in William F. Buckley's interview of him that served as the introduction to one of the episodes of public television's serialized version of E. Waugh's _Brideshead Revisited_.? I'm amused by the stories of Kenner removing his hearing aids of someone started a line of conversation that didn't please him. Jerry McGuire spoke on this list of a Kenner visit to SUNY/Buffalo--I guess this was not during my time there in the 70s and very early 80s. I'm sorry to have missed him. All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached Rapallo than it did most of Germany. ------------------ That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner as well as Pound! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 7 18:09:25 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:09:25 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47FA077F607E47D4B5FF0DCB715AB1BA@BobHP> From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:57 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? Yes. Here?s a related version: wouldn?t it be nice if all poets appreciated the value of poetry?and that society rewarded them on the basis of what their poetry did as poetry rather than what it did for some political point of view. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 23:30:28 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1333855828.96114.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv1033722863 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1033722863 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? They have agency;? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:57 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy ? Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? ? Yes.? Here?s a related version: wouldn?t it be nice if all poets appreciated the value of poetry?and that society rewarded them on the basis of what their poetry did as poetry rather than what it did for some political point of view. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 23:43:30 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu In-Reply-To: <8CEE2EC572EDE86-1FC-553A@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333856610.60704.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> the articule didn't print the poem. Too bad, but good for Gunter, an excellent noveliest, and a decent (skilled) poet. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:43 AM http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jNHlF3MmQalAMzPLYkCMAFw0n7sw?docId=96f7ecd6b556462e9a71be7231ba0f73 Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu By JUERGEN BAETZ, Associated Press ? 1 hour ago BERLIN (AP) ? German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass, under fire for a poem that sharply criticized Israel, said he was singling out the Jewish state's government, not the country as a whole. The poem drew sharp rebukes at home and from Israel, including accusations of being anti-Semitic, but Grass received praise from a senior Iranian official Saturday. In the poem published in European dailies Wednesday, the 84-year-old German author criticized? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 00:14:06 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333858446.34262.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cezanne was the painter of light. Tomas Kitschade painted hallmark light. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 10:34 AM http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 00:17:19 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <1333858639.84312.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Seurat/painter of light: Seurat took to heart the color theorists' notion of a scientific approach to painting. Seurat believed that a painter could use color to create harmony and emotion in art in the same way that a musician uses counterpoint and variation to create harmony in music. Seurat theorized that the scientific application of color was like any other natural law, and he was driven to prove this conjecture. He thought that the knowledge of perception and optical laws could be used to create a new language of art based on its own set of heuristics and he set out to show this language using lines, color intensity and color schema. Seurat called this language Chromoluminarism. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 12:14 AM Cezanne was the painter of light. Tomas Kitschade painted hallmark light. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 10:34 AM http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 03:09:26 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:09:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > > http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html > > == > > Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light > > In this poem there is a little village > and a brook that wends its way > under a covered footbridge. > > Now and forever a brick walk will lead > you to the door of a cottage. > Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. > All the windowpanes aglow > with a rich yellow light as though > at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child > might peek from behind the curtains. > > In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts > from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. > Always it is a few days before Christmas. > > **** > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From chris at chrislott.org Sun Apr 8 03:38:46 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:38:46 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner In-Reply-To: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > > All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of > _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated > Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to > master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound > thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration > camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". > > * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of > extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 06:08:36 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:08:36 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Passing Stranger - The East Village Poetry Walk In-Reply-To: <8CEE2FA9090A6FB-26CC-DB92@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE2FA9090A6FB-26CC-DB92@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I took the entire tour on google maps, worth the hour and a half, Easter midday, wondering why I have a headache now. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM, wrote: > *http://eastvillagepoetrywalk.org/about.html* > ** > *Passing Stranger - The East Village Poetry Walk* is an audio tour of > poetry related sites in New York City's East Village. It is produced by > Pejk Malinovski, with support from The Poetry Foundation. The audio file > and a map outlining the route, which can be downloaded here, > allows the user to take the tour using their own mp3 player. The tour is > about 2 miles and 95 minutes long. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 07:46:10 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333855828.96114.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333885570.78672.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv1077751265 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1077751265 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? They have agency;? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 07:54:48 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333885570.78672.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333886088.97397.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crack pot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. Consider: #1 Increasingly, gains in income are becoming very highly concentrated at the top of the food chain in America.? The following is how income gains in the United States were distributed during 2010.... -37 percent of all income gains went to the top 0.01 percent of all income earners -56 percent of all income gains went to the rest of the top 1 percent -7 percent of all income gains went to the bottom 99 percent #2 Back in the '70s, the top 1 percent earned about 8 percent of all income.? Today, they earn about 21 percent of all income. #3 The wealthiest 1 percent of all Americans own more wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined. #4 According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. #5 The poorest 50 percent of all Americans collectively own just 2.5% of all the wealth in the United States. #6 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #7 The top 0.01% of all Americans make an average of $27,342,212.? The bottom 90% make an average of $31,244. #8 According to the Economic Policy Institute, between 1979 and 2007 income growth for the top 1 percent of all U.S. income earners was an astounding 390 percent.? For the bottom 90 percent, income growth was only 5 percent over that same time period. #9 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation. #10 In 2010, 2.6 million more Americans descended into poverty.? That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959. #11 According to the New York Times, approximately 100 million Americans are either living in poverty or in "the fretful zone just above it". #12 According to Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, about 53 percent of all income went to the middle class back in the 1970s, but today only about 46 percent of all income does. #13 When you look at the ratio of employee compensation to GDP, it is now the lowest that is has been in about 50 years. #14 In 1970, 65 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods".? By 2007, only 44 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods". #15 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty.? Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #16 The poverty rate for children living in the United States increased to 22% in 2010. #17 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in "extreme poverty", and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before. #18 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of "very poor" rose in 300 out of the 360 largest metropolitan areas during 2010. #19 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.? Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #20 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #21 In the United States today, there are 240 million working age people.? Only about 140 million of them are actually working. #22 Back in 2001, the ratio of wages to GDP was sitting at approximately 49 percent.? Today, it has fallen all the way down to about 44 percent. #23 Half of all American workers now earn?$505 or less per week. #24 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.? Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #25 In 2010, 19.7% of all U.S. working adults had jobs that would not have been enough to push a family of four over the poverty line even if they had worked full-time hours for the entire year. #26 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row. #27 The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011. #28 If inflation was measured the exact same way that it was measured back in 1980, the rate of inflation in the United States would be well over 10 percent. #29 According to a recent report produced by Pew Charitable Trusts, approximately one out of every three Americans that grew up in a middle class household has slipped down the income ladder. #30 Total student loan debt in America has now passed the 1 trillion dollar mark, and about 270 billion dollars of those loans are at least 30 days delinquent.? These debts are absolutely crushing young middle class families. #31 Today, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents. #32 According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.? Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #33 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent. #34 One out of every six elderly Americans now lives below the federal poverty line. #35 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #36 According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty. #37 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps.? Today, more than 46 million Americans are on food stamps. #38 Right now, one out of every four American children is on food stamps. #39 It is being projected that approximately 50 percent of all U.S. children will be on food stamps at some point in their lives before they reach the age of 18. #40 In 2010, 42 percent of all single mothers in the United States were on food stamps. #41 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.? Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.? It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #42 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #43 One out of every six Americans is now enrolled in at least one government anti-poverty program. #44 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #45 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:46 AM The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv354927847 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv354927847 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 08:11:03 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333886088.97397.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333887063.87259.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> but back to the original piece, and the poem by Philip Levine: Here?s where the democracy part comes in.? When a poem can lead you into an unfamiliar place, where what you must do is watch and listen closely, think and associate quickly, and find your footing from scratch, it is imparting a set of skills that are yours to keep. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:54 AM for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crack pot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. Consider: #1 Increasingly, gains in income are becoming very highly concentrated at the top of the food chain in America.? The following is how income gains in the United States were distributed during 2010.... -37 percent of all income gains went to the top 0.01 percent of all income earners -56 percent of all income gains went to the rest of the top 1 percent -7 percent of all income gains went to the bottom 99 percent #2 Back in the '70s, the top 1 percent earned about 8 percent of all income.? Today, they earn about 21 percent of all income. #3 The wealthiest 1 percent of all Americans own more wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined. #4 According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. #5 The poorest 50 percent of all Americans collectively own just 2.5% of all the wealth in the United States. #6 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #7 The top 0.01% of all Americans make an average of $27,342,212.? The bottom 90% make an average of $31,244. #8 According to the Economic Policy Institute, between 1979 and 2007 income growth for the top 1 percent of all U.S. income earners was an astounding 390 percent.? For the bottom 90 percent, income growth was only 5 percent over that same time period. #9 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation. #10 In 2010, 2.6 million more Americans descended into poverty.? That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959. #11 According to the New York Times, approximately 100 million Americans are either living in poverty or in "the fretful zone just above it". #12 According to Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, about 53 percent of all income went to the middle class back in the 1970s, but today only about 46 percent of all income does. #13 When you look at the ratio of employee compensation to GDP, it is now the lowest that is has been in about 50 years. #14 In 1970, 65 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods".? By 2007, only 44 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods". #15 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty.? Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #16 The poverty rate for children living in the United States increased to 22% in 2010. #17 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in "extreme poverty", and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before. #18 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of "very poor" rose in 300 out of the 360 largest metropolitan areas during 2010. #19 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.? Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #20 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #21 In the United States today, there are 240 million working age people.? Only about 140 million of them are actually working. #22 Back in 2001, the ratio of wages to GDP was sitting at approximately 49 percent.? Today, it has fallen all the way down to about 44 percent. #23 Half of all American workers now earn?$505 or less per week. #24 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.? Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #25 In 2010, 19.7% of all U.S. working adults had jobs that would not have been enough to push a family of four over the poverty line even if they had worked full-time hours for the entire year. #26 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row. #27 The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011. #28 If inflation was measured the exact same way that it was measured back in 1980, the rate of inflation in the United States would be well over 10 percent. #29 According to a recent report produced by Pew Charitable Trusts, approximately one out of every three Americans that grew up in a middle class household has slipped down the income ladder. #30 Total student loan debt in America has now passed the 1 trillion dollar mark, and about 270 billion dollars of those loans are at least 30 days delinquent.? These debts are absolutely crushing young middle class families. #31 Today, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents. #32 According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.? Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #33 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent. #34 One out of every six elderly Americans now lives below the federal poverty line. #35 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #36 According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty. #37 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps.? Today, more than 46 million Americans are on food stamps. #38 Right now, one out of every four American children is on food stamps. #39 It is being projected that approximately 50 percent of all U.S. children will be on food stamps at some point in their lives before they reach the age of 18. #40 In 2010, 42 percent of all single mothers in the United States were on food stamps. #41 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.? Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.? It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #42 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #43 One out of every six Americans is now enrolled in at least one government anti-poverty program. #44 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #45 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:46 AM The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv717016592 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv717016592 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? 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On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 11:26:12 2012 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:26:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <1333895406.622.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333895406.622.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. > > --- On *Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini * wrote: > > > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM > > The poem is sweetest. > > I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind > them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered > sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas > and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for > "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. > > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, > > wrote: > > > http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html > > == > > Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light > > In this poem there is a little village > and a brook that wends its way > under a covered footbridge. > > Now and forever a brick walk will lead > you to the door of a cottage. > Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. > All the windowpanes aglow > with a rich yellow light as though > at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child > might peek from behind the curtains. > > In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts > from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. > Always it is a few days before Christmas. > > **** > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Apr 8 12:51:49 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <8CEE3BF065C2019-E30-1948B@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> I wrote that gentle bit of satire over 10 years ago, about a year or so after I became aware of the Thomas Kinkade phenomenon. Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == TomasKitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": ?Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. ? I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies.? That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details.? On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Apr 8 15:32:48 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 18:25:17 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333923917.29651.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 18:33:43 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:33:43 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> References: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There is a natural intoxication with colors. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I > first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch > in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old > Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. > > I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the > obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his > wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. > > Jim Finnegan > 860-508-2810 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's > ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers > like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate > market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen > as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the > past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his > Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps > pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. > Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and > curators. > > Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both > images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including > my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought > they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the > Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 18:42:43 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333923917.29651.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333924963.41438.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> moreover, those making more are the ones stealing. & getting away with it. With "golden parachutes." Again, read the article about Bank of America. They operate like the mob, but with less integrity. ?? Not to worry, Bob. No one is after your money. If anything, you deserve more cash. Most people do. & the ones who don't, the lazy, the stupid, don't deserve to starve. I'd even allow a profoundly lazy man? to have a small room (on the dole) with a cot and food stamps as long as he wasn't violent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:25 PM Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 18:47:26 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333925246.23770.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's the drinking that makes the artistic life fun, and miserable. And short. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:32 PM Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead #yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 td{color:black;}#yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 p{margin:0px;}I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 18:53:12 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1333925592.27233.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes. & Rockwell was very skilled, admired by many wealthy collectors. George Lucas (Star Wars), and Stephen Spielberg collected his work. I certainly wouldn't buy it if I had that kind of cash.? But I've never thought American life was loveable the way Rockwell apparently did. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:39 PM #yiv1060317343 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1060317343 p{margin:0px;}I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 12:51 PM I wrote that gentle bit of satire over 10 years ago, about a year or so after I became aware of the Thomas Kinkade phenomenon. Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": ?Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. ? I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies.? That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details.? On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 8 19:05:39 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 19:05:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <24049739.1333926339676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 19:05:08 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333924963.41438.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333926308.10068.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:42 PM moreover, those making more are the ones stealing. & getting away with it. With "golden parachutes." Again, read the article about Bank of America. They operate like the mob, but with less integrity. ?? Not to worry, Bob. No one is after your money. If anything, you deserve more cash. Most people do. & the ones who don't, the lazy, the stupid, don't deserve to starve. I'd even allow a profoundly lazy man? to have a small room (on the dole) with a cot and food stamps as long as he wasn't violent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:25 PM Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 03:29:37 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:29:37 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <24049739.1333926339676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24049739.1333926339676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: What I meant is that colors are toxic. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, wrote: > Not always. Bad eggs and rotten meat can be very colorful, but they still > stink. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini ** > Sent: Apr 8, 2012 6:33 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > There is a natural intoxication with colors. > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > >> Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I >> first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch >> in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old >> Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. >> >> I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the >> obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his >> wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. >> >> Jim Finnegan >> 860-508-2810 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: junction >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead >> >> I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's >> ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers >> like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate >> market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen >> as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the >> past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his >> Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps >> pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. >> Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and >> curators. >> >> Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both >> images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including >> my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought >> they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stephen russell >> Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead >> >> You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the >> Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 9 09:07:52 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:07:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333926308.10068.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333926308.10068.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:37:29 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333993049.78694.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:42:11 2012 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?VG9tw6FzIMOTIEPDoXJ0aGFpZ2g=?=) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu In-Reply-To: <1333856610.60704.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333993331.33280.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Common sense should tell people its the government of Israel that's criticised, and not the people. They do abuse the victim card, being victims of the Holocaust it is important that they do not become as bad as those who oppressed them. I was in a similar furore over my poem about the embargo breaking convoy (see link below) that got me banned from a few websites with complaints citing anti-semitism when in fact it was criticism of the state of israel, and not the Israeli people. The government of Israel is very - in my opinion - supremacist in its actions and opinions, and a bit of criticism, even from a German like Grass is no harm every now and again... Tom ? ? --- On Sun, 8/4/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, 8 April, 2012, 4:43 the articule didn't print the poem. Too bad, but good for Gunter, an excellent noveliest, and a decent (skilled) poet. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:43 AM http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jNHlF3MmQalAMzPLYkCMAFw0n7sw?docId=96f7ecd6b556462e9a71be7231ba0f73 Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu By JUERGEN BAETZ, Associated Press ? 1 hour ago BERLIN (AP) ? German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass, under fire for a poem that sharply criticized Israel, said he was singling out the Jewish state's government, not the country as a whole. The poem drew sharp rebukes at home and from Israel, including accusations of being anti-Semitic, but Grass received praise from a senior Iranian official Saturday. In the poem published in European dailies Wednesday, the 84-year-old German author criticized? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:40:25 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Message-ID: <1333993225.19059.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 14:23:42 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333993225.19059.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 14:32:47 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] "This Opera of Peace" read via video @ AWP Conference in Chicago - 2012 Message-ID: <1333996367.1768.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> "This Opera of Peace"? read @ AWP Conference in Chicago - 2012? via?? Vimeo? -? http://vimeo.com/39944590??? and?? Youtube - http://youtu.be/I9s63AVZzNg Starring (in order of appearance): Annie Finch Saeed Jones Daniel Nester Patricia Spears Jones Cole Swensen R. Erica Doyle Cate Marvin Brent Cuningham Danielle Pafunda Jamaal May GC Waldrep Ryan Doyle May James Yeh Matt Hart E. Tracy Grinnell Brenda Iijima Molly Gaudry Sina Queyras Mathias Svalina Matt Yeager Elisa Gabbert Vanessa Place Janaka Stucky Mike Young Metta Sama Lauren Hunter Jennifer Bartlett Sommer Browning Paul Legault Ana Bozicevic Amy King Anna Moschovakis Justin Marks Matvei Yankelevich Sampson Starkweather Julia Cohen Paige Taggart Chris Tonelli Corina Copp Eileen Myles Kazim Ali Tonya Foster Giovanni Singleton Dodie Bellamy Julie Patton Treasure Shields Redmond Alice Quinn Gloria Frym Patricia Lockwood Cheryl Strayed Joshua Marie Wilkinson Peter Gizzi & Clay Banes Kimiko Hahn & Nicole Cooley Brian Teare Christopher Salerno Timothy Yu Bruce Covey Agape Redwood Annie Finch ~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 14:33:46 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's Harriet blog + AWP Conference Video + Adrienne Rich + Poetry Society of America + PEN Poetry Series Message-ID: <1333996426.6413.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Alan Gilbert reviews? I Want to Make You Safe? @ Poetry Foundation's? Harriet - "... but the truly cool kids were the more independent agents like ..." Continued here -- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2012/04/amy-king-i-want-to-make-you-safe/ ~~~~~~ "This Opera of Peace"? read @ AWP Conference in Chicago - 2012? via?? Vimeo? -? http://vimeo.com/39944590??? and?? Youtube - http://youtu.be/I9s63AVZzNg Starring (in order of appearance): Annie Finch Saeed Jones Daniel Nester Patricia Spears Jones Cole Swensen R. Erica Doyle Cate Marvin Brent Cuningham Danielle Pafunda Jamaal May GC Waldrep Ryan Doyle May James Yeh Matt Hart E. Tracy Grinnell Brenda Iijima Molly Gaudry Sina Queyras Mathias Svalina Matt Yeager Elisa Gabbert Vanessa Place Janaka Stucky Mike Young Metta Sama Lauren Hunter Jennifer Bartlett Sommer Browning Paul Legault Ana Bozicevic Amy King Anna Moschovakis Justin Marks Matvei Yankelevich Sampson Starkweather Julia Cohen Paige Taggart Chris Tonelli Corina Copp Eileen Myles Kazim Ali Tonya Foster Giovanni Singleton Dodie Bellamy Julie Patton Treasure Shields Redmond Alice Quinn Gloria Frym Patricia Lockwood Cheryl Strayed Joshua Marie Wilkinson Peter Gizzi & Clay Banes Kimiko Hahn & Nicole Cooley Brian Teare Christopher Salerno Timothy Yu Bruce Covey Agape Redwood Annie Finch ~~~~~~ PEN American - Adrienne Rich tribute Round-up? --?? http://www.pen.org/blog/?cat=335 ~~~~~~ Poetry Society of America - http://www.poetrysociety.org/psa/poetry/crossroads/red_white_blue_poets_on_politics/ana_bo_i_evi/ Ana Bo?i?evi?'s? 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OK, Chris, let me try to be clearer. First let me note that after the sentences I quoted, Kenner quotes from Pound's Canto 52 "Stinkschuld sin drawing vengeance, poor yitts paying for Stinkschuld/paying for a few big jews' vendetta on goyim" [let me note that when I read something like this I become more sympathetic to my late father's lament: "can't poets write about Spring anymore?"] I read the Pound quote as positing that it's within the realm of the not-totally-bizarre for leaders, or a populist groundswell, to want to confine any Jew they can find if they can't get their hands on people they think of as bad, powerful Jews. Pound, at least when in such a mood, may have found this reprehensible, but he thought of it as an understandable tragedy. What he didn't find it to be is absolutely bizarre--as he would presumably find rounding up lots of Italians in a country because the judicial system was having trouble jailing members of the Cosa Nostra. And so I find it very problematic that Kenner finds something creditable in this line of thought. Later on page 465 of? _The Pound Era_, "Correctly or not, it attempted a diagnosis, and one tending rather to decrease than to encourage anti-Semitism". ?? ________________________ BTW, I recall Professor Al Cook at SUNY/Buffalo indicating that Kenner used to threaten students with an "F" if they used the word "fascism" when writing about Pound. So I used to fantasize about taking a class with Kenner and writing about Pound's relation to F_________. rom: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > > All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of > _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated > Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to > master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound > thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration > camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". > > * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of > extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 9 18:20:36 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:20:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I actually took a college course in Zinn?s book, Stephen. Propagandistic rubbish. The problem is the gimme gimme attitude not just of corporate baddies, but of governments forcing people to buy diplomas from colleges in order to get the better-paying jobs and the colleges taking advantage of it with idiotically high tuition costs; labor unions driving corporations into bankruptcy; both parties buying votes with bread, circuses and health insurance; welfare careerists demanding two cars and three televisions and permanent retirement; lawyers making laws requiring more lawyers and higher fees for lawyers; drugs outlawed to allow the mafia to gouge addicts (who are no worse than the many other kinds of addicts in our society), and all the victim groups demanding special privileges and getting them because they?re voters and consumers. The only hope I see is outer space?a livable planet which born slaves and born slave-masters are somehow prevented from going to. Last rant on this topic. --Bob From: stephen russell Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. 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Wilsnack richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 9 21:17:26 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <4542241.1334020129681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4542241.1334020129681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CEE4CED37D5A4D-61C-548D@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> I'm in favor of 50 at large Senators and 150 at large Representatives beholden only to the whole nation. But that would take a Constitutional amendment. Not going to happen in my lifetime. -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Well, both countries have good centralized education systems and child care and universal medical care. But the issue isn't parliamentary versus whatever you'd call ours. Wyoming gets two senators, etc. 500 k people. California 40 million people. To get anything useful through congress you have to pay off Wyoming, etc. The great empty limits what can be done for the vast majority, who live in urban settings. I could go on, but you get my drift. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 9, 2012 8:11 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy The parliamentary model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wilsnack richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Apr 9 21:24:40 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:24:40 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner In-Reply-To: <1334000605.55408.YahooMailNeo@web126003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1334000605.55408.YahooMailNeo@web126003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Makes sense. c On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > "I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here". > > OK, Chris, let me try to be clearer. First let me note that after the > sentences I quoted, Kenner quotes from Pound's Canto 52 "Stinkschuld sin > drawing vengeance, poor yitts paying for Stinkschuld/paying for a few big > jews' vendetta on goyim" [let me note that when I read something like this I > become more sympathetic to my late father's lament: "can't poets write about > Spring anymore?"] > > I read the Pound quote as positing that it's within the realm of the > not-totally-bizarre for leaders, or a populist groundswell, to want to > confine any Jew they can find if they can't get their hands on people they > think of as bad, powerful Jews. Pound, at least when in such a mood, may > have found this reprehensible, but he thought of it as an understandable > tragedy. What he didn't find it to be is absolutely bizarre--as he would > presumably find rounding up lots of Italians in a country because the > judicial system was having trouble jailing members of the Cosa Nostra. > > And so I find it very problematic that Kenner finds something creditable in > this line of thought. Later on page 465 of? _The Pound Era_, "Correctly or > not, it attempted a diagnosis, and one tending rather to decrease than to > encourage anti-Semitism". > > ________________________ > > BTW, I recall Professor Al Cook at SUNY/Buffalo indicating that Kenner used > to threaten students with an "F" if they used the word "fascism" when > writing about Pound. So I used to fantasize about taking a class with Kenner > and writing about Pound's relation to F_________. > > > > rom: Chris Lott > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban > wrote: >> >> All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of >> _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated >> Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come >> to >> master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound >> thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration >> camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". >> >> * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of >> extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more >> reached >> Rapallo than it did most of Germany. >> >> ------------------ >> >> That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds >> are >> evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. >> Kenner >> as well as Pound! > > I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. > > But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An > Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. > Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" > and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... > > c > > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 21:29:50 2012 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:29:50 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs In-Reply-To: References: <8CEE4C826B6C40D-2BF4-1415@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Richard--that's a tough question. No, I suspect not, but I might point out to people in person I considered it "over the top." The interesting thing is praise like that never really means much--unlike praise where someone appears to have read you closely, to have judiciously weighed and considered your work at something like its real value--that praise is somehow always more helpful and more dear. We live in an era of hyperbole, but if you are smart (I think) you remember that anything good in one's own work belongs to the Muse anyway... S. From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:56:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs Question to any and all: If a prominent (lots of attention) author praised a publication of yours in terms so exaggerated or "over the top," would you try to publish a disclaimer? Richard W. Wilsnackrichard.wilsnack at med.und.edu From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Apr 9 21:33:08 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:33:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Message-ID: <13309907.1334021588823.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cvoisine at nmsu.edu Tue Apr 10 07:24:05 2012 From: cvoisine at nmsu.edu (Connie Voisine) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:24:05 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs In-Reply-To: References: <8CEE4C826B6C40D-2BF4-1415@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: has anyone read richard howard?s blurbs? worth keeping an eye out for them... c On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, sheila black wrote: > Richard--that's a tough question.? No, I suspect not, but I might point out > to people in person I considered it "over the top."? The interesting thing > is praise like that never really means much--unlike praise where someone > appears to have read you closely, to have judiciously weighed and considered > your work at something like its real value--that praise is somehow always > more helpful and more dear.? We live in an era of hyperbole, but if you are > smart (I think) you remember that anything good in one's own work belongs to > the Muse anyway... > > S. > > ________________________________ > From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:56:41 -0700 > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with > blurbs > > > Question to any and all: If a prominent (lots of attention) author praised a > publication of yours in terms so exaggerated or "over the top," would you > try to publish a disclaimer? > > > > Richard W. Wilsnack > > richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu > > > > > > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Connie Voisine Associate Professor of English New Mexico State University cvoisine at nmsu.edu 575-646-2027 From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Apr 10 11:48:00 2012 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:48:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Howard's blurbs are legendary, as is his prose more generally. Many years ago I wrote a piece for the late lamented parody journal *Poultry: A Magazine of Voice*, edited by George Garrett and Brendan Galvin. The premise was that it was an academic symposium on the work of Norman Dubie, and various poet/critics examined my fictional examples of Dubie's work. I parodied the prose styles of Ginsberg, Bly, and others, including Richard Howard. Here's the section parodying Howard: ??????????? From "I Before E, Except After Dubie," by Richard Howard What, we may inquire (for isn't *inquiry* itself the very stratum and substance of Norman Dubie's *poesis*, his *vision*, in these incarnadine incarnations of quotidiana, as it surely is for the various visionaries of whom, for whom, with whom he is concerned?)--what can be the root purpose behind the apparently dissuasive, but in fact lustrous glimpses into the abyss that are the lot of the bibliophile in our dark century?? No sooner is the question posed (much as Dubie might pose, even expose and repose *his* versions of imagined lives) but we must resort to quotation (mindful, here of Pound's distinctions drawn to distance the glibly functional quotation from the merely (merely!) narcissistic provocations of a fine relation to that enchantress, that least secret of Dubie's muses, Mnemosyne): . Once the dying Rembrandt was eating a cake honey thick from Saskia's winter oven; it tasted, he said, like a handful of charcoal sketches used to line a blue drawer!? And what he didn't say was that he wasn't even hungry.... ??????????? ("For Saskia's Oven, 1635") ? A poetry so strictly attuned to the lexical, so labyrinthine in its stubborn, myopic perusals of our daily plenitudes, a poetry so confidently (*with faith*, indeed: Dubie's signal characteristic is his utter *con-fidence* in the reader's own gazetteer), and indeed a poetry so impeccably spelled, inevitably absolves its commentator, in fine, from any too querulous insistence upon preference, for to *prefer*, in its most ancient sense, is to *put before*; thus would I put the poems of this historian of the irregular, this scavenger of posthumity, *before* their intended readership, without the odor of personal opinion, without, in fact, mentioning that I think they stink. On 4/10/12 6:24 AM, "Connie Voisine" wrote: > has anyone read richard howard?s blurbs? worth keeping an eye out for them... > > c > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, sheila black > wrote: >> Richard--that's a tough question.? No, I suspect not, but I might point out >> to people in person I considered it "over the top."? The interesting thing >> is praise like that never really means much--unlike praise where someone >> appears to have read you closely, to have judiciously weighed and considered >> your work at something like its real value--that praise is somehow always >> more helpful and more dear.? We live in an era of hyperbole, but if you are >> smart (I think) you remember that anything good in one's own work belongs to >> the Muse anyway... >> >> S. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:56:41 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with >> blurbs >> >> >> Question to any and all: If a prominent (lots of attention) author praised a >> publication of yours in terms so exaggerated or "over the top," would you >> try to publish a disclaimer? >> >> >> >> Richard W. Wilsnack >> >> richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs >> >> >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== From ahadada at gol.com Tue Apr 10 13:04:44 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:04:44 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield Message-ID: and you haven't won a lazlo slezzy memorial award from the [ ] poetry society, or at least a nobel or a pulitzer or a whitbread, and you're not 10 years old with a rare disease that lands you and your book on the talk shows, or you're not president carter, or leonard nimoy, or lynda lunch, or oral graham telling you how to get to heaven, then you need blurbs, because nobody will buy your book because of your picture, your bio, or the quality of what you write. think hair tonic without a label, or pickles without a good house-keeping seal of approval on the jar. as i say to people who want me to publish them: we know you love you and understand that you know that the world needs your great literary genius, but now you have to convince all those people out there to lay down their cash in these terrible times when even macdonalds is feeling the crunch, and--sad to say--these people look to blurbs as the keys to the kingdom of the wonder and the mystery of You. From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:23:06 2012 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:23:06 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: because it is so difficult to get reviews, and because blurbs at their best act as ways into books, as blurbs do, id say a good blurb is pretty important On Apr 10, 2012 10:04 AM, wrote: > and you haven't won a lazlo slezzy memorial award from the [ ] poetry > society, or at least a nobel or a pulitzer or a whitbread, and you're > not 10 years old with a rare disease that lands you and your book on the > talk shows, or you're not president carter, or leonard nimoy, or lynda > lunch, or oral graham telling you how to get to heaven, then you need > blurbs, because nobody will buy your book because of your picture, your > bio, or the quality of what you write. think hair tonic without a > label, or pickles without a good house-keeping seal of approval on the > jar. > > as i say to people who want me to publish them: we know you love you and > understand that you know that the world needs your great literary > genius, but now you have to convince all those people out there to lay > down their cash in these terrible times when even macdonalds is feeling > the crunch, and--sad to say--these people look to blurbs as the keys to > the kingdom of the wonder and the mystery of You. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Apr 10 13:28:43 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:28:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F846DCB.8080804@louisiana.edu> Finally, someone who gets it--i.e., that poetry is basically a commodity comparable to hair tonic or pickles (though I think I'd have gone for lawn mulch or smiley-face helium balloons myself). A great idea for a contest, Jesse--haiku treating poetry as hair tonic or pickles. Any entries? Three men in empty hall read with shining hair. Thanks for the fine pickles! Best, Jerry On 4/10/2012 12:04 PM, ahadada at gol.com wrote: > and you haven't won a lazlo slezzy memorial award from the [ ] poetry > society, or at least a nobel or a pulitzer or a whitbread, and you're > not 10 years old with a rare disease that lands you and your book on the > talk shows, or you're not president carter, or leonard nimoy, or lynda > lunch, or oral graham telling you how to get to heaven, then you need > blurbs, because nobody will buy your book because of your picture, your > bio, or the quality of what you write. think hair tonic without a > label, or pickles without a good house-keeping seal of approval on the > jar. > > as i say to people who want me to publish them: we know you love you and > understand that you know that the world needs your great literary > genius, but now you have to convince all those people out there to lay > down their cash in these terrible times when even macdonalds is feeling > the crunch, and--sad to say--these people look to blurbs as the keys to > the kingdom of the wonder and the mystery of You. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:38:36 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:38:36 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: <4F846DCB.8080804@louisiana.edu> References: <4F846DCB.8080804@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Tonic pickles in tunic poetic tickles helium rostrum mare nostrum Ave Ceasar C flat minor Gregorium cantor On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > Finally, someone who gets it--i.e., that poetry is basically a commodity > comparable to hair tonic or pickles (though I think I'd have gone for lawn > mulch or smiley-face helium balloons myself). A great idea for a contest, > Jesse--haiku treating poetry as hair tonic or pickles. Any entries? > > Three men in empty > hall read with shining hair. Thanks > for the fine pickles! > > Best, > > Jerry > > On 4/10/2012 12:04 PM, ahadada at gol.com wrote: > > and you haven't won a lazlo slezzy memorial award from the [ ] poetry > society, or at least a nobel or a pulitzer or a whitbread, and you're > not 10 years old with a rare disease that lands you and your book on the > talk shows, or you're not president carter, or leonard nimoy, or lynda > lunch, or oral graham telling you how to get to heaven, then you need > blurbs, because nobody will buy your book because of your picture, your > bio, or the quality of what you write. think hair tonic without a > label, or pickles without a good house-keeping seal of approval on the > jar. > > as i say to people who want me to publish them: we know you love you and > understand that you know that the world needs your great literary > genius, but now you have to convince all those people out there to lay > down their cash in these terrible times when even macdonalds is feeling > the crunch, and--sad to say--these people look to blurbs as the keys to > the kingdom of the wonder and the mystery of You. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:44:54 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:44:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ah ha ha, this is grand! I know a couple myself, not world renown. Those incarnadine incarnations incantations, wow On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM, David Graham wrote: > Howard's blurbs are legendary, as is his prose more generally. Many years > ago I wrote a piece for the late lamented parody journal *Poultry: A > Magazine of Voice*, edited by George Garrett and Brendan Galvin. The > premise was that it was an academic symposium on the work of Norman Dubie, > and various poet/critics examined my fictional examples of Dubie's work. I > parodied the prose styles of Ginsberg, Bly, and others, including Richard > Howard. > > Here's the section parodying Howard: > > > From "I Before E, Except After Dubie," by Richard Howard > > What, we may inquire (for isn't *inquiry* itself the very stratum and > substance of Norman Dubie's *poesis*, his *vision*, in these incarnadine > incarnations of quotidiana, as it surely is for the various visionaries of > whom, for whom, with whom he is concerned?)--what can be the root purpose > behind the apparently dissuasive, but in fact lustrous glimpses into the > abyss that are the lot of the bibliophile in our dark century? No sooner > is > the question posed (much as Dubie might pose, even expose and repose *his* > versions of imagined lives) but we must resort to quotation (mindful, here > of Pound's distinctions drawn to distance the glibly functional quotation > from the merely (merely!) narcissistic provocations of a fine relation to > that enchantress, that least secret of Dubie's muses, Mnemosyne): . > > Once the dying Rembrandt was eating a cake > honey thick from Saskia's winter oven; > it tasted, he said, like a handful of charcoal sketches > used to line a blue drawer! And what he didn't say > was that he wasn't even hungry.... > ("For Saskia's Oven, 1635") > > A poetry so strictly attuned to the lexical, so labyrinthine in its > stubborn, myopic perusals of our daily plenitudes, a poetry so confidently > (*with faith*, indeed: Dubie's signal characteristic is his utter > *con-fidence* in the reader's own gazetteer), and indeed a poetry so > impeccably spelled, inevitably absolves its commentator, in fine, from any > too querulous insistence upon preference, for to *prefer*, in its most > ancient sense, is to *put before*; thus would I put the poems of this > historian of the irregular, this scavenger of posthumity, *before* their > intended readership, without the odor of personal opinion, without, in > fact, > mentioning that I think they stink. > > > > On 4/10/12 6:24 AM, "Connie Voisine" wrote: > > > has anyone read richard howard?s blurbs? worth keeping an eye out for > them... > > > > c > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, sheila black > > wrote: > >> Richard--that's a tough question. No, I suspect not, but I might point > out > >> to people in person I considered it "over the top." The interesting > thing > >> is praise like that never really means much--unlike praise where someone > >> appears to have read you closely, to have judiciously weighed and > considered > >> your work at something like its real value--that praise is somehow > always > >> more helpful and more dear. We live in an era of hyperbole, but if you > are > >> smart (I think) you remember that anything good in one's own work > belongs to > >> the Muse anyway... > >> > >> S. > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu > >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:56:41 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with > >> blurbs > >> > >> > >> Question to any and all: If a prominent (lots of attention) author > praised a > >> publication of yours in terms so exaggerated or "over the top," would > you > >> try to publish a disclaimer? > >> > >> > >> > >> Richard W. Wilsnack > >> > >> richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > jforjames at aol.com > >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:30 PM > >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with > blurbs > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > -- > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 10 15:57:42 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:57:42 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner In-Reply-To: References: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1334000605.55408.YahooMailNeo@web126003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1FF5CE9ED720440598ADD9DF75277741@BobHP> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lott Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner Thanks. Makes sense. c On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > "I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here". > > OK, Chris, let me try to be clearer. First let me note that after the > sentences I quoted, Kenner quotes from Pound's Canto 52 "Stinkschuld sin > drawing vengeance, poor yitts paying for Stinkschuld/paying for a few big > jews' vendetta on goyim" [let me note that when I read something like this > I > become more sympathetic to my late father's lament: "can't poets write > about > Spring anymore?"] > > I read the Pound quote as positing that it's within the realm of the > not-totally-bizarre for leaders, or a populist groundswell, to want to > confine any Jew they can find if they can't get their hands on people they > think of as bad, powerful Jews. Pound, at least when in such a mood, may > have found this reprehensible, but he thought of it as an understandable > tragedy. What he didn't find it to be is absolutely bizarre--as he would > presumably find rounding up lots of Italians in a country because the > judicial system was having trouble jailing members of the Cosa Nostra. > He's just saying ordinary Jews, with whom he seems to be sympathizing, are suffering because of the sins of those Jews he perceives as flawed. Doesn't say he approves. Seems to me he'd prefer that the sinning Jews pay for their sins, the way the occupiers think our successful corporate CEOs should. It's just a variation on the cliche about the leaders, not the people, who are to blame--the people never being taken to have any responsibility for the leaders they allow to lead them. In any case, self-righteously focusing on for the sins of Pound and Kenner, or any other writers, seems to me a pursuit for rabble-rousers, not people interested in the arts. --Horrid Robert From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 10 16:04:03 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:04:03 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs In-Reply-To: <8CEE4C826B6C40D-2BF4-1415@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE4C826B6C40D-2BF4-1415@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Not sure I?ll bother reading the article. The question should be, ?For the love of the book, should we do away with badly-done blurbs? There?s no reason a blurb should not be able intelligently and fairly fully to tell a prospective reader what he can expect to find in the book, even if the blurber is favorable to it. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:29 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] For the love of the book, can we do away with blurbs http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/bad-book-blurbs_n_1304724.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 19:37:57 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: radio interview with Adrienne Rich from 1994 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1334101077.16808.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Louisa Howerow? http://www.cbc.ca/writersandcompany/episode/2012/03/29/adrienne-rich-interview-from-1994/ (the first section of the program) The CBC program Writers and Company from the website "Now in its 21st season, Writers & Company offers an opportunity to explore in depth the lives, thoughts and works of remarkable writers from around the world." I listen whenever I can to the program and what I appreciate about the interviewer, Eleanor Wachtel is that she does read and has read the work of those she interviews, no commercials.? For those who feel they don't have enough exposure to writers outside their own county, the archives for this show are a gold mine -- writers from all over the world.? Do take a listen -- here is a list of other interviews http://www.cbc.ca/writersandcompany/episode/ -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 10 21:08:57 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> Instead of blurb the last poet I published put a poem on the back of his book. His book did just as well as the blurbed books I'd published. I question the value of any reader who buys a book on basis of the blurbs. In fact I'd go as far as to say I'd rather they saved their money. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: ahadada To: new-poetry Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:04 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your great aunt in pittsfield and you haven't won a lazlo slezzy memorial award from the [ ] poetry society, or at least a nobel or a pulitzer or a whitbread, and you're not 10 years old with a rare disease that lands you and your book on the talk shows, or you're not president carter, or leonard nimoy, or lynda lunch, or oral graham telling you how to get to heaven, then you need blurbs, because nobody will buy your book because of your picture, your bio, or the quality of what you write. think hair tonic without a label, or pickles without a good house-keeping seal of approval on the jar. as i say to people who want me to publish them: we know you love you and understand that you know that the world needs your great literary genius, but now you have to convince all those people out there to lay down their cash in these terrible times when even macdonalds is feeling the crunch, and--sad to say--these people look to blurbs as the keys to the kingdom of the wonder and the mystery of You. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 10 21:27:52 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?blurbs=2C_my_b=C3=AAte_noire?= Message-ID: <8CEE59971BC6FCB-224C-A1D4@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> from http://ursprache.blogspot.com Perhaps the book?s blurbs were meant to serve as prophylactic criticism. = I see you have three blurbs on the back of your book, just like the three letters of recommendation you needed to get into graduate school. = Slathered with unctuous blurbs, the book felt uncomfortably sticky to the touch. = I?m in favor a federal legislation mandating an Ingredients Label on the back of all poetry books in lieu of blurbs. The most frequently used words could be listed: ?Moon: 13; Cow: 11; Grass: 8; Light: 6; all others 5 or less instances'. And each text would be analyzed for content: ?Poeticisms: 14%; Imagery: 11%; Tropes: 7%; Internal Rhyme: 2.7% ; and other rhetorical or quasi-poetic matter and filler'. = "On the nose, this explodes with intense aromas of freshly sliced granadilla joined by notes of lemon curd. Hints of geranium and just mowed lawn, with suggestions of asparagus braised with tarragon, rise from the glass to add intrigue and complexity to the top notes." Aren?t most blurbs like the descriptions of wine? = I?m sorry your book was not reviewed, but those were some nice blurbs you got. = Blurbs are applied to the backsides of books because that's the place for butt-lickers. = A major problem among contemporary poets: They are not embarrassed by the extravagant claims made by the blurbs that grace the back covers of their slim volumes. = What are the odds? Spots for four blurbs on the back of a book of poems, and all are positively glowing. How lucky is that? = The function of a blurb is to so overpraise the book that any reader would feel ashamed at being underwhelmed upon reading the book. = Often after reading a famous poet?s blurb on the back of a poetry book, the attorney Joseph Welsh?s well-known rebuke of Senator Joseph McCarthy comes to mind: ?Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?? = A blurb is about the blurb-writer and not about the book. = Blurbs should be attached to the backs of books with velcro. They're so generic and indistinguishable in their praise, that it would be a kind of efficient recycling to pull them off of the old books and to reapply them to newly released titles. = Blurbs are like tip sheets you pick up when entering a race track. Most of what they say will be proven wrong by the day?s running (or reading). = Instead of blurbs, print this on the back of the book: ?What are you looking for back here? 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 11 08:07:49 2012 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham-RC) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:07:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo Message-ID: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo 11 April 2012 In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetry scene, FrostCo, the giant long-established company holding the rights to the work of Robert Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tiny start-up company centered around the work of the obscure poet David Graham. Observers were even more surprised by the price tag: FrostCo reportedly paid one billion dollars for GrahamCo, a truly unprecedented valuation of a small, little known company that has never shown a profit and only maintains a single, part-time employee. Little known even within the ragtag poetry world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such a mega-firm as FrostCo. "Beats me," commented former Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky when asked his opinion of the odd merger. "Never heard of GrahamCo before." Industry insiders were no more able to account for the strange development. Leading speculation among many experts, arrived at after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to be that FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry. The relative rarity of dogs in the work of Robert Frost has long been noted by scholars and critics. Another leading theory is that FrostCo wanted to pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which some believe had itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htthinc at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:15:34 2012 From: htthinc at gmail.com (Paul Howell) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:15:34 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo In-Reply-To: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> References: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: The report, though welcomed by shareholders of both Cos, does not mention that this acquisition/merger is expected to be the first in an avalanche of consolidations, which will leave the sellers of poetry in an improved position to charge outlandish fees. Not since the Hunt Bros nearly cornered the silver market... On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:07 AM, David Graham-RC wrote: > *FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo* > > *11 April 2012* > > In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetry scene, FrostCo, > the giant long-established company holding the rights to the work of Robert > Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tiny start-up > company centered around the work of the obscure poet David Graham. Observers > were even more surprised by the price tag: FrostCo reportedly paid one > billion dollars for GrahamCo, a truly unprecedented valuation of a small, > little known company that has never shown a profit and only maintains a > single, part-time employee. Little known even within the ragtag poetry > world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such a > mega-firm as FrostCo. "Beats me," commented former Poet Laureate Robert > Pinsky when asked his opinion of the odd merger. "Never heard of > GrahamCo before." Industry insiders were no more able to account for the > strange development. Leading speculation among many experts, arrived at > after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to be that > FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry. The > relative rarity of dogs in the work of Robert Frost has long been noted by > scholars and critics. Another leading theory is that FrostCo wanted to > pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which some believe had > itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 11 09:54:33 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:54:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Blurbs In-Reply-To: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> >From my latest Blog Entry: One of the new topics of discussion at New-Poetry is blurbs. I may have been the only one to defend them?because I do not define them as empty commercial hype for a product but as potentially useful, albeit favorable, data about a product. Jim Finnegan, for instance, disdainfully writes them off as wholly worthless: a prospective buyer of a collection of poetry should not bother with what?s written on its back-cover, but crack the book and read a few poems in it. Sounds sensible, but it only works for Wilshberian poetry?poetry, that is, that does nothing the normal reader of poetry won?t have been long familiar with. A glance at such poetry is all he should need to decide whether he likes it or not. But what about adventurous poetry? Poetry the normal reader will most likely be instantly confounded by, and give up on quickly, unless he is an unusually responsible investigator of poetry with enough time to delve into the poetry involved much more deeply than most others would. A good blurb can give such a reader helpful hints?tell him, for instance, that the poems in my largest collection carry out mathematical operations of serious metaphorical significance rather than indiscriminantly play around with mathematical symbols who knows why. What?s wrong with a blurb?s also imparting enthusiasm for poetry not-easy quickly to like? For letting a reader know that someone likes it well enough to have spent time blurbing it. The identity of a blurber can be useful information, too?the fact that John Ashbery blurbed a collection of Amy King?s quirkily jump-cut poetry will tell someone finding her book in a bookstore that it is probably in a vein similar to Ashbery?s, as well as letting the person know that someone considered particularly knowledgeable about poetry likes it. I can?t remember what Ashbery said, but if he quoted some passage of it and said why he liked it, it could have made the difference between a thoughtful perusal of a few poems in the book, and a quick rejection of them. It all comes down into whether or not commentary on poetry is a good thing. I say it is?regardless of how many stupid blurbs are written. Further note: John M. Bennet for many years used ?an insult to the literature of the past two thousand years,? or something close to that which a New Republic Philistine had described Bennett?s zine, Lost and Found Times, as. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 12:13:08 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:13:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Blurbs In-Reply-To: <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> References: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> Message-ID: Just tell readers that they will be sexier and live longer--that should do the trick. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM, bob grumman wrote: > From my latest Blog Entry: > > One of the new topics of discussion at New-Poetry is blurbs. I may have > been the only one to defend them?because I do not define them as empty > commercial hype for a product but as potentially useful, albeit favorable, > data about a product. Jim Finnegan, for instance, disdainfully writes them > off as wholly worthless: a prospective buyer of a collection of poetry > should not bother with what?s written on its back-cover, but crack the book > and read a few poems in it. Sounds sensible, but it only works for > Wilshberian poetry?poetry, that is, that does nothing the normal reader of > poetry won?t have been long familiar with. A glance at such poetry is all > he should need to decide whether he likes it or not. But what about > adventurous poetry? Poetry the normal reader will most likely be instantly > confounded by, and give up on quickly, unless he is an unusually > responsible investigator of poetry with enough time to delve into the > poetry involved much more deeply than most others would. A good blurb can > give such a reader helpful hints?tell him, for instance, that the poems in > my largest collection carry out mathematical operations of serious > metaphorical significance rather than indiscriminantly play around with > mathematical symbols who knows why. What?s wrong with a blurb?s also > imparting enthusiasm for poetry not-easy quickly to like? For letting a > reader know that *some*one likes it well enough to have spent time > blurbing it. The identity of a blurber can be useful information, too?the > fact that John Ashbery blurbed a collection of Amy King?s quirkily jump-cut > poetry will tell someone finding her book in a bookstore that it is > probably in a vein similar to Ashbery?s, as well as letting the person know > that someone considered particularly knowledgeable about poetry likes it. I > can?t remember what Ashbery said, but if he quoted some passage of it and > said why he liked it, it could have made the difference between a > thoughtful perusal of a few poems in the book, and a quick rejection of > them. It all comes down into whether or not commentary on poetry is a good > thing. I say it is?regardless of how many stupid blurbs are written. > > Further note: John M. Bennet for many years used ?an insult to the > literature of the past two thousand years,? or something close to that > which a *New Republic* Philistine had described Bennett?s zine, *Lost and > Found Times,* as. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jared Schickling wrote: > i think it was federman who said writers should write their own blurbs? > here is a pdf-link anthology of blurbs: > > http://osr-tapes.info/osr/americanbuygridfinal.pdf > > : *eccolinguistics * : > : *delete press * : > : *reconfigurations * : > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Day 2 -- "Lives Well Lived" by Amy King --?http://www.vidaweb.org/lives-well-lived Day 1 -- "What's in a Name" by Adrienne Su ?--?http://www.vidaweb.org/whats-in-a-name-3 Stay tuned, more tributes appear daily throughout April by??Ada Limon,??Becca Klaver,??Camille Dungy,??Carmen Gimenez-Smith, Cate??Marvin,??Erin Belieu,??Erica Moya,?Erika Meitner,?Katharine Varnes,?Martha Silano,?Margaret Ronda,?Melinda Wilson,?Metta Sama, Patricia Spears Jones,?Rachel Eliza Griffiths,?Rachel Zucker,?Tamiko Beyer,?Tonya Foster and?Wendy Walters! ~~~ VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts VIDA seeks to explore critical and cultural perceptions of writing by women through meaningful conversation and the exchange of ideas among existing and emerging literary communities. http://www.vidaweb.org/? p.s. VIDEO from AWP Conference in Chicago, starring (in order of appearance):? Annie Finch, Saeed Jones, Daniel Nester, Patricia Spears Jones, Cole Swensen, R. Erica Doyle, Cate Marvin, Brent Cunningham, Danielle Pafunda, Jamaal May, GC Waldrep, Ryan Doyle May, James Yeh, Matt Hart, E. Tracy Grinnell, Brenda Iijima, Molly Gaudry, Sina Queyras, Mathias Svalina, Matt Yeager, Elisa Gabbert, Vanessa Place, Janaka Stucky, Mike Young, Metta Sama, Lauren Hunter, Jennifer Bartlett, Sommer Browning, Paul Legault, Ana Bozicevic, Amy King, Anna Moschovakis, Justin Marks, Matvei Yankelevich, Sampson Starkweather, Julia Cohen, Paige Taggart, Chris Tonelli, Corina Copp, Eileen Myles, Kazim Ali, Tonya Foster, Giovanni Singleton, Dodie Bellamy, Julie Patton, Treasure Shields Redmond, Alice Quinn, Gloria Frym, Patricia Lockwood, Cheryl Strayed, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Peter Gizzi & Clay Banes, Kimiko Hahn & Nicole Cooley, Brian Teare, Christopher Salerno, Timothy Yu, Bruce Covey, Agape Redwood, Annie Finch --? Watch on Vimeo --?http://vimeo.com/39944590? 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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > from http://ursprache.blogspot.com > > > Perhaps the book?s blurbs were meant to serve as prophylactic criticism. > = > I see you have three blurbs on the back of your book, just like the three > letters of recommendation you needed to get into graduate school. > = > Slathered with unctuous blurbs, the book felt uncomfortably sticky to the > touch. > = > I?m in favor a federal legislation mandating an Ingredients Label on the > back of all poetry books in lieu of blurbs. The most frequently used words > could be listed: ?Moon: 13; Cow: 11; Grass: 8; Light: 6; all others 5 or > less instances'. And each text would be analyzed for content: ?Poeticisms: > 14%; Imagery: 11%; Tropes: 7%; Internal Rhyme: 2.7% ; and other rhetorical > or quasi-poetic matter and filler'. > = > "On the nose, this explodes with intense aromas of freshly sliced > granadilla joined by notes of lemon curd. Hints of geranium and just mowed > lawn, with suggestions of asparagus braised with tarragon, rise from the > glass to add intrigue and complexity to the top notes." > Aren?t most blurbs like the descriptions of wine? > = > I?m sorry your book was not reviewed, but those were some nice blurbs you > got. > = > Blurbs are applied to the backsides of books because that's the place for > butt-lickers. > = > A major problem among contemporary poets: They are not embarrassed by the > extravagant claims made by the blurbs that grace the back covers of their > slim volumes. > = > What are the odds? Spots for four blurbs on the back of a book of poems, > and all are positively glowing. How lucky is that? > = > The function of a blurb is to so overpraise the book that any reader would > feel ashamed at being underwhelmed upon reading the book. > = > Often after reading a famous poet?s blurb on the back of a poetry book, > the attorney Joseph Welsh?s well-known rebuke of Senator Joseph McCarthy > comes to mind: ?Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you > left no sense of decency?? > = > A blurb is about the blurb-writer and not about the book. > = > Blurbs should be attached to the backs of books with velcro. They're so > generic and indistinguishable in their praise, that it would be a kind of > efficient recycling to pull them off of the old books and to reapply them > to newly released titles. > = > Blurbs are like tip sheets you pick up when entering a race track. Most of > what they say will be proven wrong by the day?s running (or reading). > = > Instead of blurbs, print this on the back of the book: ?What are you > looking for back here? Embarrassingly extravagant endorsements, > conviviality, cronyism? Crack open the book and read a couple poems.? > > - > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 13:54:01 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:54:01 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Blurbs In-Reply-To: References: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> Message-ID: I'll include that with the marvelous blurbs I'm receiving for Sleepwalker's Songs: New & Selected Poems, due out in October for those who want to be sexier and live longer. - Jim On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Just tell readers that they will be sexier and live longer--that should do > the trick. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM, bob grumman wrote: > >> From my latest Blog Entry: >> >> One of the new topics of discussion at New-Poetry is blurbs. I may have >> been the only one to defend them?because I do not define them as empty >> commercial hype for a product but as potentially useful, albeit favorable, >> data about a product. Jim Finnegan, for instance, disdainfully writes them >> off as wholly worthless: a prospective buyer of a collection of poetry >> should not bother with what?s written on its back-cover, but crack the book >> and read a few poems in it. Sounds sensible, but it only works for >> Wilshberian poetry?poetry, that is, that does nothing the normal reader of >> poetry won?t have been long familiar with. A glance at such poetry is all >> he should need to decide whether he likes it or not. But what about >> adventurous poetry? Poetry the normal reader will most likely be instantly >> confounded by, and give up on quickly, unless he is an unusually >> responsible investigator of poetry with enough time to delve into the >> poetry involved much more deeply than most others would. A good blurb can >> give such a reader helpful hints?tell him, for instance, that the poems in >> my largest collection carry out mathematical operations of serious >> metaphorical significance rather than indiscriminantly play around with >> mathematical symbols who knows why. What?s wrong with a blurb?s also >> imparting enthusiasm for poetry not-easy quickly to like? For letting a >> reader know that *some*one likes it well enough to have spent time >> blurbing it. The identity of a blurber can be useful information, too?the >> fact that John Ashbery blurbed a collection of Amy King?s quirkily jump-cut >> poetry will tell someone finding her book in a bookstore that it is >> probably in a vein similar to Ashbery?s, as well as letting the person know >> that someone considered particularly knowledgeable about poetry likes it. I >> can?t remember what Ashbery said, but if he quoted some passage of it and >> said why he liked it, it could have made the difference between a >> thoughtful perusal of a few poems in the book, and a quick rejection of >> them. It all comes down into whether or not commentary on poetry is a good >> thing. I say it is?regardless of how many stupid blurbs are written. >> >> Further note: John M. Bennet for many years used ?an insult to the >> literature of the past two thousand years,? or something close to that >> which a *New Republic* Philistine had described Bennett?s zine, *Lost >> and Found Times,* as. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 14:10:06 2012 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:10:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Blurbs In-Reply-To: References: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> Message-ID: Question: Who's the blurbest of blurbers???? Answer: Robet Creeley. Evidence. hen I was writing a bibliography on Creeley, Dorn, and Duncan in the late 1980s or researching in the early 1990s Robert Bertholf, Curator at SUNY-Buffalo, showed me the card file on blurbs by Creeley. it was 20 inches long. A librarian's rule of thumb back in the day of such files was that an inch represented 10 titles (or, in this case, blurbs). And,. of course, he had another 15-20 years of blurbing before him. (I'd say he puts Lin Lifshin to shame if such were possible.) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > I'll include that with the marvelous blurbs I'm receiving for > Sleepwalker's Songs: New & Selected Poems, due out in October for those who > want to be sexier and live longer. > > - Jim > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Just tell readers that they will be sexier and live longer--that should >> do the trick. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM, bob grumman wrote: >> >>> From my latest Blog Entry: >>> >>> One of the new topics of discussion at New-Poetry is blurbs. I may >>> have been the only one to defend them?because I do not define them as empty >>> commercial hype for a product but as potentially useful, albeit favorable, >>> data about a product. Jim Finnegan, for instance, disdainfully writes them >>> off as wholly worthless: a prospective buyer of a collection of poetry >>> should not bother with what?s written on its back-cover, but crack the book >>> and read a few poems in it. Sounds sensible, but it only works for >>> Wilshberian poetry?poetry, that is, that does nothing the normal reader of >>> poetry won?t have been long familiar with. A glance at such poetry is all >>> he should need to decide whether he likes it or not. But what about >>> adventurous poetry? Poetry the normal reader will most likely be instantly >>> confounded by, and give up on quickly, unless he is an unusually >>> responsible investigator of poetry with enough time to delve into the >>> poetry involved much more deeply than most others would. A good blurb can >>> give such a reader helpful hints?tell him, for instance, that the poems in >>> my largest collection carry out mathematical operations of serious >>> metaphorical significance rather than indiscriminantly play around with >>> mathematical symbols who knows why. What?s wrong with a blurb?s also >>> imparting enthusiasm for poetry not-easy quickly to like? For letting a >>> reader know that *some*one likes it well enough to have spent time >>> blurbing it. The identity of a blurber can be useful information, too?the >>> fact that John Ashbery blurbed a collection of Amy King?s quirkily jump-cut >>> poetry will tell someone finding her book in a bookstore that it is >>> probably in a vein similar to Ashbery?s, as well as letting the person know >>> that someone considered particularly knowledgeable about poetry likes it. I >>> can?t remember what Ashbery said, but if he quoted some passage of it and >>> said why he liked it, it could have made the difference between a >>> thoughtful perusal of a few poems in the book, and a quick rejection of >>> them. It all comes down into whether or not commentary on poetry is a good >>> thing. I say it is?regardless of how many stupid blurbs are written. >>> >>> Further note: John M. Bennet for many years used ?an insult to the >>> literature of the past two thousand years,? or something close to that >>> which a *New Republic* Philistine had described Bennett?s zine, *Lost >>> and Found Times,* as. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv1961239950 #yiv1961239950AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv1961239950 #yiv1961239950AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1961239950 #yiv1961239950AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? 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In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetry scene, FrostCo, the giant long-established company holding the rights to the work of Robert Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tiny start-up company centered around the work of the obscure poet David Graham.? Observers were even more surprised by the price tag:? FrostCo reportedly paid one billion dollars for GrahamCo, a truly unprecedented valuation of a small, little known company that has never shown a profit and only maintains a single, part-time employee.? Little known even within the ragtag poetry world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such a mega-firm as FrostCo.? "Beats me," commented former Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky when asked his opinion of the odd merger.? "Never heard of GrahamCo before."? Industry insiders were no more able to account for the strange development.? Leading speculation among many experts, arrived at after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to be that FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry.? The relative rarity of dogs in the work of Robert Frost has long been noted by scholars and critics.? Another leading theory is that FrostCo wanted to pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which some believe had itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. ? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:21:09 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:21:09 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] blurbs Message-ID: I was led to Linkedin where I found - among others - the following message by Amy King. Talking of Blurbs, I find them most powerful: Is here - http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html "Rarely have the nude and the cooked been so neatly joined? as in Amy King?s I Want to Make You Safe. If ?us,? ?herons,? and ?dust? rhyme, then these poems rhyme. If that makes you feel safe, it shouldn?t. Amy King?s poems are exuberant, strange, and a bit grotesque. They?re spring-loaded and ready for trouble. Categories collapse. These are the new ?thunderstorms with Barbie roots." ? Rae Armantrout Vulnerability, fragility, and anxiety are all flushed out into the open here and addressed with such strong sound and rhythm that we recognize a resilient, defiant strength within them. King puts relentless pressure on forces seemingly beyond our reach and, in bringing them closer, exposes their own vulnerable centers. This is a poetry equally committed to language as a tool with social obligations and language as an art material obligated to reveal its own beauty. King?s language does both magnificently. ? Cole Swensen Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the ?natural? world, i.e. sex, sun, love, rotting, hatching, dreaming, especially in the wonderful long poem ?This Opera of Peace.? She brings these abstractions to brilliant, jagged life, emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living: ?Let the walls bear up the angle of the floor,/Let the mice be tragic for all that is caged,/Let time?s contagion mar us/until spoken people lie as particles of wind. ? John Ashbery I love Amy King's smile in photos of Amy King, Amy King's exuberance and looping, bashing panache (flamboyant manner, reckless courage) in the poems of Amy King, I'm going to say Amy King every chance I get in this blurb to make you think "I gotta read me some Amy King," especially if you're "looking for anything/that will pull the cork, boil the blood/of displeasure," as only the poems of Amy King can in the world in which Amy King is King (and Queen). ? Bob Hicok The first poem I read by Amy King was "MEN BY THE LIPS OF WOMEN" and it struck me with a force I had previously felt on encountering masterworks by Lorca and Dylan Thomas. I won't live long enough to see if her poetry will continue to equal the magnificence of theirs, but the fact that she achieved it once (at least) proves to me it could. ? Bill Knott I want to make you safe Amy King November 2011 ? 87 pp. ? $15.00 ? ISBN: 978-1-933959-23-8 Cover art by Deborah Grant ? Sara Jane Stoner for the Poetry Project Newsletter. April/May 2012. ? Lambda Literary review. March 6, 2012. ? Metta S?ma reviews for Her Circle. March 1, 2012. ? Creepy Valentine on Poets & Writers. February 14, 2012 ? John Pluecker for HTML Giant review. February 2012 ? Sara Jane Stoner and Julia Heim read. February 2012 ? VerseDaily features "The Identity in My Crisis". February 2012. ? PoetryDaily features "The White of Sacre Couer Against a Blue Parisian Sky". February 2012. ? Christopher Higgs for HTML Giant January 27, 2012. ? Michelle Gillett for The Rumpus review. January 14, 2012. ? Poets & Writers video. January 3, 2012. ? Coldfront's list of Top 30 Poetry Books of 2011, with review by John Deming. January 1, 2012. ? Boston Globe: among the best poetry books of 2011. ? ConnotationPress.com review. December 2011. ? The French Exit blog review. November 22, 2011. ? Small Press Distribution Poetry Best-Seller. Nov - Dec 2011. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:29:41 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:29:41 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo In-Reply-To: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> References: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Coccode' go the hens in Italian while Chicchiricchi is for roosters but let's stick to Chickens, there is that pOm by Linh Dinh, *Eating a Roasted Chicken*, that might be of interest in the aforesaid speculations. The undersigned has been specializing in remote diggings, no Cos involved, but let's not throw away any chances too hastily. Said PinskyCo might be interested in the undersigned's color spectrum, sure enough there is plenty on Pink. Colorfully zooing in, yours ABcO On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, David Graham-RC wrote: > *FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo* > > *11 April 2012* > > In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetry scene, FrostCo, > the giant long-established company holding the rights to the work of Robert > Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tiny start-up > company centered around the work of the obscure poet David Graham. Observers > were even more surprised by the price tag: FrostCo reportedly paid one > billion dollars for GrahamCo, a truly unprecedented valuation of a small, > little known company that has never shown a profit and only maintains a > single, part-time employee. Little known even within the ragtag poetry > world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such a > mega-firm as FrostCo. "Beats me," commented former Poet Laureate Robert > Pinsky when asked his opinion of the odd merger. "Never heard of > GrahamCo before." Industry insiders were no more able to account for the > strange development. Leading speculation among many experts, arrived at > after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to be that > FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry. The > relative rarity of dogs in the work of Robert Frost has long been noted by > scholars and critics. Another leading theory is that FrostCo wanted to > pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which some believe had > itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 11 16:41:53 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Mark Strand's "The Triumph of the Infinite" In-Reply-To: <1009679917764.1110298611.1334144120704@p1enginex1.emv2.com> References: <1009679917764.1110298611.1334144120704@p1enginex1.emv2.com> Message-ID: <8CEE63AA990066C-1E48-48C5@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Knopf Poetry To: jforjames Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:35 am Subject: Mark Strand's "The Triumph of the Infinite" POEM-A-DAY | TUMBLR | TWITTER | FACEBOOK | YOUTUBE The below may not be a poem, but it is also not NOT a poem. It is typical of the work in Almost Invisible, a slim but significant book of playful creations from the pen of Mark Strand, whose whole career, in a way, has been an attempt to understand (or perhaps to refute!) "The Triumph of the Infinite." The Triumph of the Infinite I got up in the night and went to the end of the hall. Over the door in large letters it said, "This is the next life. Please come in." I opened the door. Across the room a bearded man in a pale-green suit turned to me and said, "Better get ready, we're taking the long way." "Now I'll wake up," I thought, but I was wrong. We began our journey over golden tundra and patches of ice. Then there was nothing for miles around, and all I could hear was my heart pumping and pumping so hard I thought I would die all over again. More on this poem and author: Click here to learn more about Mark Strand's Almost Invisible. Listen to Mark Strand talking about Almost Invisible on "Here & Now." Read more of Mark Strand's work in our Poem-a-Day eShort selection, Poems After Midnight, downloadable for your eReader. Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. Join the celebration at our Poem-a-Day Tumblr and learn how you can submit your own poems. Buy the Book Excerpt from ALMOST INVISIBLE ? 2012 by Mark Strand. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to aaknopf at randomhouse.com, or leave us a note on Tumblr, Facebook, or Twitter. KNOPF | DOUBLEDAY | PANTHEON | SCHOCKEN | VINTAGE / ANCHOR | NAN A. TALESE | EVERYMAN'S LIBRARY READING GROUP CENTER | COOKING | DIGITAL | CONTESTS | SPECIAL OFFERS | SPEAKERS BUREAU Knopf Poetry You have received this message because you are subscribed to the Knopf Poetry newsletter. To change your subscription information, receive additional enewsletters or to unsubscribe from this list, please visit our email preference center. View our privacy policy. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Knopf Poetry > To: jforjames > Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:35 am > Subject: Mark Strand's "The Triumph of the Infinite" > > [image: Poem-a-Day from Knopf] > POEM-A-DAY | > TUMBLR > | TWITTER | > FACEBOOK | > YOUTUBE > The below may not be a poem, but it is also not NOT a poem. It is typical > of the work in *Almost Invisible*, a slim but significant book of playful > creations from the pen of Mark Strand, whose whole career, in a way, has > been an attempt to understand (or perhaps to refute!) "The Triumph of the > Infinite." > ------------------------------ > > *The Triumph of the Infinite* > I got up in the night and went to the end of the hall. Over the > door in large letters it said, "This is the next life. Please come > in." I opened the door. Across the room a bearded man in a > pale-green suit turned to me and said, "Better get ready, we're > taking the long way." "Now I'll wake up," I thought, but I was > wrong. We began our journey over golden tundra and patches > of ice. Then there was nothing for miles around, and all I could > hear was my heart pumping and pumping so hard I thought I > would die all over again. > ------------------------------ > *More on this poem and author:* > Click here to learn more about Mark Strand's *Almost Invisible*. > Listen to Mark Strand talking about *Almost Invisible* on "Here & Now." > Read more of Mark Strand's work in our Poem-a-Day eShort selection, *Poems > After Midnight*, downloadable for your eReader. > Go to the Poem-a-Day websiteto comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. > Join the celebration at our Poem-a-Day Tumblrand learn how you can submit your own poems. > > Buy > the Book > ------------------------------ > Excerpt from ALMOST INVISIBLE ? 2012 by Mark Strand. Excerpted by > permission of Alfred A. Knopf a division of Random House, Inc. All rights > reserved. 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Mark Strand has a fine poem entitled, I think, 5 dogs, and Strand > is an industry leader, while Frost, not too long ago, was selling at only a > nodd above junk bond status in some circles. > > --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, David Graham-RC * wrote: > > > From: David Graham-RC > Subject: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo > To: "new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views" > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 8:07 AM > > *FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo* > > *11 April 2012* > > In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetry scene, FrostCo, > the giant long-established company holding the rights to the work of Robert > Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tiny start-up > company centered around the work of the obscure poet David Graham. Observers > were even more surprised by the price tag: FrostCo reportedly paid one > billion dollars for GrahamCo, a truly unprecedented valuation of a small, > little known company that has never shown a profit and only maintains a > single, part-time employee. Little known even within the ragtag poetry > world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such a > mega-firm as FrostCo. "Beats me," commented former Poet Laureate Robert > Pinsky when asked his opinion of the odd merger. "Never heard of > GrahamCo before." Industry insiders were no more able to account for the > strange development. Leading speculation among many experts, arrived at > after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to be that > FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry. The > relative rarity of dogs in the work of Robert Frost has long been noted by > scholars and critics. Another leading theory is that FrostCo wanted to > pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which some believe had > itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Wed Apr 11 18:06:08 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:06:08 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your > great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, had to stop at the 10th page of pretentious typographical crap. Maybe I can put that in my blurb for the anthology. c On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Jared Schickling wrote: > i think it was federman who said writers should write their own blurbs? > here is a pdf-link anthology of blurbs: > > http://osr-tapes.info/osr/americanbuygridfinal.pdf > > : eccolinguistics : > : delete press : > : reconfigurations : > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 18:54:52 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1334169646.30776.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334184892.52474.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv248301976 #yiv248301976AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv248301976 #yiv248301976AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv248301976 #yiv248301976AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 11 20:42:03 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo In-Reply-To: References: <56BC6BAD-7375-4107-B38F-66D98C6F077B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CEE65C368C2047-6F8-B8F@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Along the lines of David's buyout, I wrote this a while back... The IPO of Poeticorp The investors crowded into the hotel ballroom. The lights were dimmed and a big screen lowered before them. Powerpoint slides highlighted the difference between iambs and trochees. Confessional, narrative, lyric, and language poetry were defined. Par, it was explained, would be set a zero, because poets believed in giving their words away. Everyone was writing poetry. The plan was to make it up on volume, sheer numbers would lead to monetization via ads for contests and publication. There were murmurs, one by one representatives of hedge funds, venture capitalists, and pension fund managers disappeared down the plush hallways. When the lights came up there were about twenty people left in the room, a respectable turnout for a poetry reading. -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] FrostCo Acquires GrahamCo Coccode' go the hens in Italian while Chicchiricchi is for roosters but let's stick to Chickens, there is that pOm by Linh Dinh, Eating a Roasted Chicken, that might be of interest in the aforesaid speculations. The undersigned has been specializing in remote diggings, no Cos involved, but let's not throw away any chances too hastily. Said PinskyCo might be interested in the undersigned's color spectrum, sure enough there is plenty on Pink. Colorfully zooing in, yours ABcO On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, David Graham-RC wrote: FrostCo AcquiresGrahamCo 11 April 2012 In a surprise move that stunned observers of the poetryscene, FrostCo, the giant long-established company holding the rights to thework of Robert Frost, announced yesterday that it has acquired GrahamCo, a tinystart-up company centered around the work of the obscure poet DavidGraham. Observers were even moresurprised by the price tag: FrostCo reportedly paid one billion dollars for GrahamCo, a trulyunprecedented valuation of a small, little known company that has never shown aprofit and only maintains a single, part-time employee. Little known even within the ragtagpoetry world, GrahamCo would seem to bring little to the table for such amega-firm as FrostCo. "Beatsme," commented former Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky when asked his opinionof the odd merger. "Neverheard of GrahamCo before." Industryinsiders were no more able to account for the strange development. Leading speculation among many experts,arrived at after some hasty research at the Library of Congress, seemed to bethat FrostCo desired to expand in the direction of dog-centered poetry. The relative rarity of dogs in the workof Robert Frost has long been noted by scholars and critics. Another leading theory is that FrostCowanted to pre-empt any similar move by rival company EliotCo, which somebelieve had itself been looking into expanding into the dog poetry market. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jared Schickling To: New Poetry List Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your > great aunt in pittsfield i think it was federman who said writers should write their own blurbs? here is a pdf-link anthology of blurbs: http://osr-tapes.info/osr/americanbuygridfinal.pdf : eccolinguistics : : delete press : : reconfigurations : _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the same token, some poets are perfect reverse barometers: I've almost never loved a book that Jorie Graham loves, for instance. And whatever you think of her own poetry or her taste, she writes some of the most godawful blurbs ever seen. Blurbing well is hard to do, as anyone who's tried will know. Most blurbs are like most poems: interchangeable, fatuous, vague, pretentious, and so forth. But I do love a good one. I've posted before some examples from Mark Halliday, who apparently blurbs his own books, to hilarious effect. So what the hell, here's an old post quoting Halliday once again: Mention of Mark Halliday reminds me that he is the originator of one of my all-time favorite book blurbs. At least, I assume he wrote it himself. The following appears on the back of the paperback edition of his collection *Selfwolf*. (U Chicago, 1999) "If you took the honesty of D. H. Lawrence, the courage of Robin Hood, the mordant incisiveness of William Empson, the ambivalent tension of Dostoevsky, the verve of Kenneth Koch, and the pluck of next year's Wimbledon champion, and multiplied everything by seven, you might have one-third of the talent displayed in *Selfwolf*. Or you might have something else. Reading *Selfwolf* is like reading the e-mail from Whitman's unknown grandson to Pynchon's missing daughter, or vice versa. More readable than Hart Crane, more candid than Jorie Graham, and more up-to-date than Alexander Pope, Mark Halliday is either a new colossus on the scene of post-contemporary American poetry or an infinitesimal blip of male bourgeois anxiety. You be the judge." ___________ But I also love the good bread-and-butter blurb that actually offers information about what's in the book and what might make it distinctive. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seamascain at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 11:22:40 2012 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:22:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Blurbs In-Reply-To: <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> References: <8CEE596CE6577C6-224C-9FE2@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> <35A1F72219E944FBA60B2A066DB3A0D2@BobHP> Message-ID: I agree with bob grumman ! S.C. http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _______________________________ On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM, bob grumman wrote: > From my latest Blog Entry: > > One of the new topics of discussion at New-Poetry is blurbs. I may have been > the only one to defend them?because I do not define them as empty commercial > hype for a product but as potentially useful, albeit favorable, data about a > product. Jim Finnegan, for instance, disdainfully writes them off as wholly > worthless: a prospective buyer of a collection of poetry should not bother > with what?s written on its back-cover, but crack the book and read a few > poems in it. Sounds sensible, but it only works for Wilshberian > poetry?poetry, that is, that does nothing the normal reader of poetry won?t > have been long familiar with. A glance at such poetry is all he should need > to decide whether he likes it or not. But what about adventurous poetry? > Poetry the normal reader will most likely be instantly confounded by, and > give up on quickly, unless he is an unusually responsible investigator of > poetry with enough time to delve into the poetry involved much more deeply > than most others would. A good blurb can give such a reader helpful > hints?tell him, for instance, that the poems in my largest collection carry > out mathematical operations of serious metaphorical significance rather than > indiscriminantly play around with mathematical symbols who knows why. What?s > wrong with a blurb?s also imparting enthusiasm for poetry not-easy quickly > to like? For letting a reader know that someone likes it well enough to have > spent time blurbing it. The identity of a blurber can be useful information, > too?the fact that John Ashbery blurbed a collection of Amy King?s quirkily > jump-cut poetry will tell someone finding her book in a bookstore that it is > probably in a vein similar to Ashbery?s, as well as letting the person know > that someone considered particularly knowledgeable about poetry likes it. I > can?t remember what Ashbery said, but if he quoted some passage of it and > said why he liked it, it could have made the difference between a thoughtful > perusal of a few poems in the book, and a quick rejection of them. It all > comes down into whether or not commentary on poetry is a good thing. I say > it is?regardless of how many stupid blurbs are written. > > Further note: John M. Bennet for many years used ?an insult to the > literature of the past two thousand years,? or something close to that which > a New Republic Philistine had described Bennett?s zine, Lost and Found > Times, as. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 12:54:06 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:54:06 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: The Living Theatre Featured at Tribeca Film Festival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ** Take a look at upcoming events and exciting news from The Living Theatre! Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. 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URL: From lattaj at umich.edu Thu Apr 12 12:52:01 2012 From: lattaj at umich.edu (lattaj at umich.edu) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:52:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your > great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: <8CEE66116D7FEDA-F88-7522@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE66116D7FEDA-F88-7522@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20120412125201.1186502uytn7yfwg@web.mail.umich.edu> Seems that I've read that Frank O'Hara penned the terrific squib for LUNCH POEMS: Often this poet, strolling through the noisy splintered glare of a Manhattan noon, has paused at a sample Olivetti to type up thirty or forty lines of ruminations, or pondering more deeply has withdrawn into a darkened warehouse or firehouse to limn his computed misunderstandings of the eternal questions of life, co-existence and depth, while never forgetting to eat Lunch his favourite meal. . . Which provides, by tone alone, a way into the book. John Quoting jforjames at aol.com: > Authors composing their own would certainly save a step. From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 13:20:21 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <24861726.1334207504370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1334251221.9002.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv814525273 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv814525273 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv814525273 #yiv814525273AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv814525273 #yiv814525273AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv814525273 #yiv814525273AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 13:24:08 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1334251221.9002.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334251448.72684.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sure, Obama may be better than Bush, and perhaps more liberal than Romney, but he still stinks. Why choose among rotten apples. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:20 PM Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv1383548589 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1383548589 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv1383548589 #yiv1383548589AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv1383548589 #yiv1383548589AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1383548589 #yiv1383548589AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theoldmole at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 13:56:08 2012 From: theoldmole at gmail.com (Tad Richards) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:56:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] if you want to sell your book to someone other than your > great aunt in pittsfield In-Reply-To: <20120412125201.1186502uytn7yfwg@web.mail.umich.edu> References: <8CEE66116D7FEDA-F88-7522@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> <20120412125201.1186502uytn7yfwg@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: I wrote one of my own blurbs for the New Country Music Encyclopedia. I'd asked record company exec Jimmy Bowen for a blurb, and he said Sure, what do you want me to say? So I wrote up the blurb, sent it to him, and he turned around and sent it back to me with his signature. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM, wrote: > Seems that I've read that Frank O'Hara penned the terrific squib for LUNCH > POEMS: > > Often this poet, strolling through the noisy splintered glare of a > Manhattan noon, has paused at a sample Olivetti to type up thirty or forty > lines of ruminations, or pondering more deeply has withdrawn into a > darkened warehouse or firehouse to limn his computed misunderstandings of > the eternal questions of life, co-existence and depth, while never > forgetting to eat Lunch his favourite meal. . . > > Which provides, by tone alone, a way into the book. > > John > > > Quoting jforjames at aol.com: > > Authors composing their own would certainly save a step. >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/**mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:08:36 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1334251448.72684.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334254116.75097.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... because this is a poetry listserv and not a political shot out, I'll keep it short: ? The?Buffet tax.?Obama would like to comfort voters with the notion that a small tax hike on the rich will help trim the deficit. But he knows the numbers don't add up. The Ryan plan, while repugnant, is more honest. Republicans are more honest about protecting business while screwing workers. Obama doesn't care about workers, but to win votes, he tries to comfort them with a ludicrous tax gimmick. And the rich, of course, will not have to worry. It's not as though their lifestyles will suffer from the Buffet tax. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:24 PM Sure, Obama may be better than Bush, and perhaps more liberal than Romney, but he still stinks. Why choose among rotten apples. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:20 PM Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv803276643 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv803276643 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv803276643 #yiv803276643AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv803276643 #yiv803276643AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv803276643 #yiv803276643AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:45:29 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1334254116.75097.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334256329.72587.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> correction: shootout. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:08 PM ... because this is a poetry listserv and not a political shot out, I'll keep it short: ? The?Buffet tax.?Obama would like to comfort voters with the notion that a small tax hike on the rich will help trim the deficit. But he knows the numbers don't add up. The Ryan plan, while repugnant, is more honest. Republicans are more honest about protecting business while screwing workers. Obama doesn't care about workers, but to win votes, he tries to comfort them with a ludicrous tax gimmick. And the rich, of course, will not have to worry. It's not as though their lifestyles will suffer from the Buffet tax. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:24 PM Sure, Obama may be better than Bush, and perhaps more liberal than Romney, but he still stinks. Why choose among rotten apples. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:20 PM Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv1413593231 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1413593231 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv1413593231 #yiv1413593231AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv1413593231 #yiv1413593231AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1413593231 #yiv1413593231AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tommorrow I'll ... from Kevin Zeese --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:45 PM correction: shootout. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:08 PM ... because this is a poetry listserv and not a political shot out, I'll keep it short: ? The?Buffet tax.?Obama would like to comfort voters with the notion that a small tax hike on the rich will help trim the deficit. But he knows the numbers don't add up. The Ryan plan, while repugnant, is more honest. Republicans are more honest about protecting business while screwing workers. Obama doesn't care about workers, but to win votes, he tries to comfort them with a ludicrous tax gimmick. And the rich, of course, will not have to worry. It's not as though their lifestyles will suffer from the Buffet tax. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:24 PM Sure, Obama may be better than Bush, and perhaps more liberal than Romney, but he still stinks. Why choose among rotten apples. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:20 PM Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv1105763348 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1105763348 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv1105763348 #yiv1105763348AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv1105763348 #yiv1105763348AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1105763348 #yiv1105763348AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 15:55:30 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1334256718.55184.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334260530.54776.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Facebook tried to censor this:' ? ... will let it rest -- ? ? ? --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:51 PM Kevin Zeese 9:39pm Apr 11 Tomorrow I'll be testifying in support of Leah Bolger, a 20 year vet who faces jail for telling the truth to the corrupt congressional supercommittee. We'll have a press conference at 8:30 AM at DC Superior, 500 Indiana Ave. Court 5th and G Streets, NW in Washington, DC. Below is what I will say, and submit and say in court. http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/45-seconds-leah-bolger-did-more-represent-views-americans-then-supercommittee-ever... Tommorrow I'll ... from Kevin Zeese --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:45 PM correction: shootout. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:08 PM ... because this is a poetry listserv and not a political shot out, I'll keep it short: ? The?Buffet tax.?Obama would like to comfort voters with the notion that a small tax hike on the rich will help trim the deficit. But he knows the numbers don't add up. The Ryan plan, while repugnant, is more honest. Republicans are more honest about protecting business while screwing workers. Obama doesn't care about workers, but to win votes, he tries to comfort them with a ludicrous tax gimmick. And the rich, of course, will not have to worry. It's not as though their lifestyles will suffer from the Buffet tax. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:24 PM Sure, Obama may be better than Bush, and perhaps more liberal than Romney, but he still stinks. Why choose among rotten apples. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:20 PM Bush was that bad, but Obama has extended his homeland security measures.?& that alone?makes me cynical about?Obama's supposedly liberal appointments to the Supreme Court. Obama is a fake. A political animal, and nothing more. He would not have bailed out the likes of Bank of America had he not been worried about his image. A run on a bank would have looked bad for a president who claims we're in the early stage of a recovery. We're not in a?recovery. Obama appointed 2 scum bags from Monsanto to be on the FDA. That's Obama. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 1:11 AM #yiv2043923462 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv2043923462 p{margin:0px;} Two words, Stephen: Supreme Court. We've just had several demonstrations. There are others. Would you argue that the Iraq War was an illusion? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy & what are the actual differences between Romney and Obama? Very, very little. So little, in fact, they might as well be the same candidate. Elections give people the illusion of change. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Gore Vidal described the so called 2 party model best. He said it's really one party with a slightly less conservative wing (the Dems). All the money is rigged to the two parties with very deep pockets. Democracy, bought and paid for, offering little, if any, choice. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:11 PM The?parliamentary?model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy #yiv2043923462 #yiv2043923462AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb td{color:black;}#yiv2043923462 #yiv2043923462AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv2043923462 #yiv2043923462AOLMsgPart_0_3758c2e1-b58e-480b-a99c-b092708efbbb p{margin:0px;} Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 9, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antrobin at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 16:31:02 2012 From: antrobin at gmail.com (Anthony Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:31:02 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish In-Reply-To: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> References: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for posting the Halliday blurb. Whenever the "blurb discussion" comes up in a forum like this, I immediately think of Halliday's Selfwolf blurb. T On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:24 AM, David Graham-RC wrote: > I will go on record as saying I don't dislike blurbs. I find they do no > harm, mostly. At worst a cluster of quotes on the back of the book can > speed my way through a bookstore, skimming for new poets who might interest > me; an intriguing combination of names (say, Ashbery, Wilbur and Bly) might > be enough in itself to get me to open a book for a closer look. By the > same token, some poets are perfect reverse barometers: I've almost never > loved a book that Jorie Graham loves, for instance. And whatever you think > of her own poetry or her taste, she writes some of the most godawful blurbs > ever seen. > > Blurbing well is hard to do, as anyone who's tried will know. Most blurbs > are like most poems: interchangeable, fatuous, vague, pretentious, and so > forth. But I do love a good one. I've posted before some examples from > Mark Halliday, who apparently blurbs his own books, to hilarious effect. > > So what the hell, here's an old post quoting Halliday once again: > > Mention of Mark Halliday reminds me that he is the originator of one of my > all-time favorite book blurbs. At least, I assume he wrote it himself. > The following appears on the back of the paperback edition of his > collection *Selfwolf*. (U Chicago, 1999) > > "If you took the honesty of D. H. Lawrence, the courage of Robin Hood, the > mordant incisiveness of William Empson, the ambivalent tension of > Dostoevsky, the verve of Kenneth Koch, and the pluck of next year's > Wimbledon champion, and multiplied everything by seven, you might have > one-third of the talent displayed in *Selfwolf*. Or you might have > something else. Reading *Selfwolf* is like reading the e-mail from > Whitman's unknown grandson to Pynchon's missing daughter, or vice versa. > More readable than Hart Crane, more candid than Jorie Graham, and more > up-to-date than Alexander Pope, Mark Halliday is either a new colossus on > the scene of post-contemporary American poetry or an infinitesimal blip of > male bourgeois anxiety. You be the judge." > ___________ > > But I also love the good bread-and-butter blurb that actually offers > information about what's in the book and what might make it distinctive. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahadada at gol.com Thu Apr 12 18:36:57 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:36:57 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] hoo hoo valvings on blurbs Message-ID: from all the hot air rushing and gushing about blurbs from a certain quarter, I'd guess that a certain someone is missing out on vitamin b. nevertheless, blurbs sell books. poems on the back, day-glo on the cover, promises to be good, and all that other jazz don't make the book balloon do anything but lie farting gently through torn gores. the two exceptions to this: selling at readings, the absolute best way to sell books, and fine press, where youll actually get buyers interested not only because of the content but because of the special papers, quality of types and designs, number made, and all the rest. we hoo hoo you not, jess of the aeronauts From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 12 20:54:08 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish In-Reply-To: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> References: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CEE72710F81751-D6C-FB9@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> In securities regulation there areprohibitions against over-touting the stock value of a dubious enterprise,often called ?blue sky? laws: The name that is given to the law indicates the evil at whichit is aimed, that is, to use the language of a cited case, "speculativeschemes which have no more basis than so many feet of 'blue sky'"; or, asstated by counsel in another case, "to stop the sale of stock infly-by-night concerns, visionary oil wells, distant gold mines and other likefraudulent exploitations." Even if the descriptions be regarded asrhetorical, the existence of evil is indicated, and a belief of its detriment;and we shall not pause to do more than state that the prevention of deceptionis within the competency of government and that the appreciation of theconsequences of it is not open for our review. ?U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph McKenna (in a 1917ruling) Perhaps literature would benefit if there were regulationsagainst ?blue sky blurbs? in the publishing world. / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen_baraban at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 21:13:01 2012 From: stephen_baraban at yahoo.com (Stephen Baraban) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish In-Reply-To: References: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <1334279581.70345.YahooMailNeo@web126003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> My thanks also for citing the Selfwolf blurb. I'd never seen this before. ________________________________ From: Anthony Robinson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Blurbish Thanks for posting the Halliday blurb. ?Whenever the "blurb discussion" comes up in a forum like this, I immediately think of Halliday's Selfwolf blurb. T On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:24 AM, David Graham-RC wrote: I will go on record as saying I don't dislike blurbs. ?I find they do no harm, mostly. ?At worst a cluster of quotes on the back of the book can speed my way through a bookstore, skimming for new poets who might interest me; an intriguing combination of names (say, Ashbery, Wilbur and Bly) might be enough in itself to get me to open a book for a closer look. ?By the same token, some poets are perfect reverse barometers: ?I've almost never loved a book that Jorie Graham loves, for instance. ?And whatever you think of her own poetry or her taste, she writes some of the most godawful blurbs ever seen. > > >Blurbing well is hard to do, as anyone who's tried will know. ?Most blurbs are like most poems: ?interchangeable, fatuous, vague, pretentious, and so forth. ?But I do love a good one. ?I've posted before some examples from Mark Halliday, who apparently blurbs his own books, to hilarious effect. ? > > >So what the hell, here's an old post quoting Halliday once again: > > >Mention of Mark Halliday reminds me that he is the originator of one of my all-time favorite book blurbs. ?At least, I assume he wrote it himself. ?The following appears on the back of the paperback edition of his collection *Selfwolf*. ?(U Chicago, 1999)? > > >"If you took the honesty of D. H. Lawrence, the courage of Robin Hood, the mordant incisiveness of William Empson, the ambivalent tension of Dostoevsky, the verve of Kenneth Koch, and the pluck of next year's Wimbledon champion, and multiplied everything by seven, you might have one-third of the talent displayed in *Selfwolf*. Or you might have something else. Reading *Selfwolf* is like reading the e-mail from Whitman's unknown grandson to Pynchon's missing daughter, or vice versa. More readable than Hart Crane, more candid than Jorie Graham, and more up-to-date than Alexander Pope, Mark Halliday is either a new colossus on the scene of post-contemporary American poetry or an infinitesimal blip of male bourgeois anxiety. You be the judge." >___________ > > >But I also love the good bread-and-butter blurb that actually offers information about what's in the book and what might make it distinctive. ? > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 12 21:41:01 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish In-Reply-To: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> References: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CEE72D9DC02F11-480-195@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> David, I enjoyed Halliday's self-blurb. He gets it enuf to parody the phenomenon. I wishing blurbing was a little harder. It's surely less hard than writing a real review. Blurbs are in the end cover matter, like the barcode. And the blurbs, ultimately, can't enhance what's inside, the paginated matter. That inside text is going to have to it's own selling at some point. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham-RC To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:29 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish I will go on record as saying I don't dislike blurbs. I find they do no harm, mostly. At worst a cluster of quotes on the back of the book can speed my way through a bookstore, skimming for new poets who might interest me; an intriguing combination of names (say, Ashbery, Wilbur and Bly) might be enough in itself to get me to open a book for a closer look. By the same token, some poets are perfect reverse barometers: I've almost never loved a book that Jorie Graham loves, for instance. And whatever you think of her own poetry or her taste, she writes some of the most godawful blurbs ever seen. Blurbing well is hard to do, as anyone who's tried will know. Most blurbs are like most poems: interchangeable, fatuous, vague, pretentious, and so forth. But I do love a good one. I've posted before some examples from Mark Halliday, who apparently blurbs his own books, to hilarious effect. So what the hell, here's an old post quoting Halliday once again: Mention of Mark Halliday reminds me that he is the originator of one of my all-time favorite book blurbs. At least, I assume he wrote it himself. The following appears on the back of the paperback edition of his collection *Selfwolf*. (U Chicago, 1999) "If you took the honesty of D. H. Lawrence, the courage of Robin Hood, the mordant incisiveness of William Empson, the ambivalent tension of Dostoevsky, the verve of Kenneth Koch, and the pluck of next year's Wimbledon champion, and multiplied everything by seven, you might have one-third of the talent displayed in *Selfwolf*. Or you might have something else. Reading *Selfwolf* is like reading the e-mail from Whitman's unknown grandson to Pynchon's missing daughter, or vice versa. More readable than Hart Crane, more candid than Jorie Graham, and more up-to-date than Alexander Pope, Mark Halliday is either a new colossus on the scene of post-contemporary American poetry or an infinitesimal blip of male bourgeois anxiety. You be the judge." ___________ But I also love the good bread-and-butter blurb that actually offers information about what's in the book and what might make it distinctive. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 23:28:42 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:28:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hoo hoo valvings on blurbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never met a blurb that sold me a book. Have met some poems that sold me books, quite a few books in fact. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:36 PM, wrote: > from all the hot air rushing and gushing about blurbs from a certain > quarter, I'd guess that a certain someone is missing out on vitamin b. > > nevertheless, blurbs sell books. poems on the back, day-glo on the > cover, promises to be good, and all that other jazz don't make the book > balloon do anything but lie farting gently through torn gores. > > the two exceptions to this: selling at readings, the absolute best way to > sell books, and fine press, where youll actually get buyers interested > not only because of the content but because of the special papers, > quality of types and designs, number made, and all the rest. > > we hoo hoo you not, > > jess of the aeronauts > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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National Poetry Month Feature: Geoffrey Gatza of BlazeVOX [books] Talks About the NEA Ban on His Small Press by Anis Shivani http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html A big controversy in the poetry world these days is the discussion surrounding Buffalo-based small press BlazeVOX [book]'s (now discontinued) model of charging some authors a portion of the costs of publishing their poetry books ($250, as I gather). In the closing months of last year, the revelation of this practice inflamed passions in the generally staid world of independent literary publishing. The controversy just got an enormous boost with the recent decision of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) banning poets from listing books published by BlazeVOX on their grant applications. Questions arise about the viability of poetry publishing in an age of narrow audiences and little financial reward, and about gate-keeping, quality control, editorial integrity and the technologies of dissemination. Read the whole interview here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html Rockets, Geoffrey Gatza BlazeVOX [books] 76 Inwood Place Buffalo, New York 14209 editor at blazevox.org Forward this email This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by editor at blazevox.org | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy. BlazeVOX [books] | 76 Inwood Place | Buffalo | NY | 14209 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 09:06:33 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:06:33 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler> <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Poor Geoff, I don't think he deserves any hustle. On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlazeVOX [books] > To: jforjames > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm > Subject: Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post > > Having trouble viewing this email? Click here > *Happy Poetry Month & Thank You For Your Support!* > *Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post on the whole NEA thing > :-)* > [image: New Logo]Geoffrey Interviewed in The Huffington Post! > > *National Poetry Month Feature: Geoffrey Gatza of BlazeVOX [books] Talks > About the NEA Ban on His Small Press by Anis Shivani * > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > > > A big controversy in the poetry world these days is the discussion > surrounding Buffalo-based small press BlazeVOX [book]'s (now discontinued) > model of charging some authors a portion of the costs of publishing their > poetry books ($250, as I gather). In the closing months of last year, the > revelation of this practice inflamed passions in the generally staid world > of independent literary publishing. The controversy just got an enormous > boost with the recent decision of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) banning > poets from listing books published by BlazeVOX on their grant applications > . > Questions arise about the viability of poetry publishing in an age of > narrow audiences and little financial reward, and about gate-keeping, > quality control, editorial integrity and the technologies of dissemination. > > Read the whole interview here > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > > > > > > > [image: Follow us on Twitter] > > > [image: Like us on Facebook] > > > > Rockets, > Geoffrey Gatza > > BlazeVOX [books] > 76 Inwood Place > Buffalo, New York 14209 > editor at blazevox.org > > Forward this email > This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by editor at blazevox.org | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy > Policy. > BlazeVOX [books] | 76 Inwood Place | Buffalo | NY | 14209 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 09:10:29 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:10:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish In-Reply-To: <8CEE72D9DC02F11-480-195@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> References: <969E641A-10A6-487E-A49E-8E91E7E19C4A@ripon.edu> <8CEE72D9DC02F11-480-195@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's because you are a serious person that reads. Unluckily... On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > David, > I enjoyed Halliday's self-blurb. He gets it enuf to parody the phenomenon. > > I wishing blurbing was a little harder. It's surely less hard than > writing a real review. > > Blurbs are in the end cover matter, like the barcode. And the blurbs, > ultimately, can't enhance what's inside, > the paginated matter. That inside text is going to have to it's own > selling at some point. > > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham-RC > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:29 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Blurbish > > I will go on record as saying I don't dislike blurbs. I find they do no > harm, mostly. At worst a cluster of quotes on the back of the book can > speed my way through a bookstore, skimming for new poets who might interest > me; an intriguing combination of names (say, Ashbery, Wilbur and Bly) might > be enough in itself to get me to open a book for a closer look. By the > same token, some poets are perfect reverse barometers: I've almost never > loved a book that Jorie Graham loves, for instance. And whatever you think > of her own poetry or her taste, she writes some of the most godawful blurbs > ever seen. > > Blurbing well is hard to do, as anyone who's tried will know. Most > blurbs are like most poems: interchangeable, fatuous, vague, pretentious, > and so forth. But I do love a good one. I've posted before some examples > from Mark Halliday, who apparently blurbs his own books, to hilarious > effect. > > So what the hell, here's an old post quoting Halliday once again: > > Mention of Mark Halliday reminds me that he is the originator of one of > my all-time favorite book blurbs. At least, I assume he wrote it himself. > The following appears on the back of the paperback edition of his > collection *Selfwolf*. (U Chicago, 1999) > > "If you took the honesty of D. H. Lawrence, the courage of Robin Hood, > the mordant incisiveness of William Empson, the ambivalent tension of > Dostoevsky, the verve of Kenneth Koch, and the pluck of next year's > Wimbledon champion, and multiplied everything by seven, you might have > one-third of the talent displayed in *Selfwolf*. Or you might have > something else. Reading *Selfwolf* is like reading the e-mail from > Whitman's unknown grandson to Pynchon's missing daughter, or vice versa. > More readable than Hart Crane, more candid than Jorie Graham, and more > up-to-date than Alexander Pope, Mark Halliday is either a new colossus on > the scene of post-contemporary American poetry or an infinitesimal blip of > male bourgeois anxiety. You be the judge." > ___________ > > But I also love the good bread-and-butter blurb that actually offers > information about what's in the book and what might make it distinctive. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Fri Apr 13 12:52:41 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:52:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler> <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> I've never been quite comfortable (at least, since I paid $90 to have copies of my juvenilia printed up in 1970) with presses that make publication contingent on authors' underwriting of expenses. I've had my most recent MS accepted three times, only to be told after the fact that I'd have to pay a substantial fee for it to be published (the latest one was something over $800, and it was a well-known press that produces elegant books). Since the books I've already published didn't require such underwriting, I've felt there was something vain (as in vanity press) about this. And it's the reason I never submitted work to BlazeVox--I understood they charged for publication, and didn't want to be involved with that. But I've seen lots of good stuff come out of that press (I understand there's supposed to be quite a bit of not-so-good stuff, too, but I haven't seen it), and this article has changed my mind in some measure, for several reasons. For one, Gatza just seems to be a good guy, operating his press for the love of the game. For a poet in the world of small- or large- press editors, that's to be cherished. And also, the idea that the creeps and bullies at NEA felt compelled to punish Gatza (and the poets he's published) puts me in his corner. Finally: $250? That's hardly vanity-level support. Even to me, it seems perfectly fair and reasonable, especially as Gatza also made various provisions for poets who were unable to afford it. And now Gatza has evidently changed his policy, dropping the $250 and increasing charges for authors to purchase copies of their books. Again, it seems perfectly fair and a reasonable thing to do in the circumstances. I still think that presses that charge very large fees are pretty much trying to do what the contest-presses do without exhibiting their stain of corruption (but with a kind of capitalist enthusiasm that ought to have CAVEAT EMPTOR printed all over it). I can also see that there's a kind of vanity that's earned--if a writer has a MS he/she knows is magnificent and wants to have a brilliant press turn it into a work of fine hands-on art with lush papers and meticulous aesthetic decisions, then s/he should probably cough up the expense that that entails. But in any case, I see a lot more gray space in this question than I used to, and feel pretty strongly that Gatza just got gottchaed by a gaggle of villainous thugs--i.e., some prima donna poets and some NEA hacks--and that the thousands of letters of support he's receiving (and that are clogging up the poetry sites on the net) are righteous and good. I'd be interested to hear what others think about this stuff. Jerry On 4/13/2012 7:36 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlazeVOX [books] > To: jforjames > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm > Subject: Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post > > Having trouble viewing this email? Click here > > > > *Happy Poetry Month & Thank You For Your Support!* > > *Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post on the whole NEA > thing :-)* > New Logo > Geoffrey Interviewed in The Huffington Post! > > *National Poetry Month Feature: Geoffrey Gatza of BlazeVOX [books] > Talks About the NEA Ban on His Small Press by Anis Shivani * > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > A big controversy in the poetry world these days is the discussion > surrounding Buffalo-based small press BlazeVOX [book]'s (now > discontinued) model of charging some authors a portion of the costs of > publishing their poetry books ($250, as I gather). In the closing > months of last year, the revelation of this practice inflamed passions > in the generally staid world of independent literary publishing. The > controversy just got an enormous boost with the recent decision of the > National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) banning poets from listing books > published by BlazeVOX on their grant applications. > Questions arise about the viability of poetry publishing in an age of > narrow audiences and little financial reward, and about gate-keeping, > quality control, editorial integrity and the technologies of > dissemination. > Read the whole interview here > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > Follow us on Twitter > > > Like us on Facebook > > > > Rockets, > Geoffrey Gatza > BlazeVOX [books] > 76 Inwood Place > Buffalo, New York 14209 > editor at blazevox.org > > > > > Forward this email > > > This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by editor at blazevox.org | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with > SafeUnsubscribe^(TM) | Privacy Policy. > > BlazeVOX [books]| 76 Inwood Place| Buffalo| NY| 14209 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 13:22:40 2012 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:22:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler> <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: I did a book with BlazeVox but cannot remember sending money. It was in his second year so maybe he didn't do at the time or I misremember, which could well be the case. But if he does operate in this fashion does not make it vanity; rather it allows Geoffrey to maintain an exciting and burgeoning list in this day without patron to speak of. The proof is in the quality (and quantity!) of his list. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 14:09:46 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:09:46 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler> <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: 100% with you Jerry! On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I've never been quite comfortable (at least, since I paid $90 to have > copies of my juvenilia printed up in 1970) with presses that make > publication contingent on authors' underwriting of expenses. I've had my > most recent MS accepted three times, only to be told after the fact that > I'd have to pay a substantial fee for it to be published (the latest one > was something over $800, and it was a well-known press that produces > elegant books). Since the books I've already published didn't require such > underwriting, I've felt there was something vain (as in vanity press) about > this. And it's the reason I never submitted work to BlazeVox--I understood > they charged for publication, and didn't want to be involved with that. > > But I've seen lots of good stuff come out of that press (I understand > there's supposed to be quite a bit of not-so-good stuff, too, but I haven't > seen it), and this article has changed my mind in some measure, for several > reasons. For one, Gatza just seems to be a good guy, operating his press > for the love of the game. For a poet in the world of small- or large- press > editors, that's to be cherished. And also, the idea that the creeps and > bullies at NEA felt compelled to punish Gatza (and the poets he's > published) puts me in his corner. Finally: $250? That's hardly vanity-level > support. Even to me, it seems perfectly fair and reasonable, especially as > Gatza also made various provisions for poets who were unable to afford it. > And now Gatza has evidently changed his policy, dropping the $250 and > increasing charges for authors to purchase copies of their books. Again, it > seems perfectly fair and a reasonable thing to do in the circumstances. > > I still think that presses that charge very large fees are pretty much > trying to do what the contest-presses do without exhibiting their stain of > corruption (but with a kind of capitalist enthusiasm that ought to have > CAVEAT EMPTOR printed all over it). I can also see that there's a kind of > vanity that's earned--if a writer has a MS he/she knows is magnificent and > wants to have a brilliant press turn it into a work of fine hands-on art > with lush papers and meticulous aesthetic decisions, then s/he should > probably cough up the expense that that entails. > > But in any case, I see a lot more gray space in this question than I used > to, and feel pretty strongly that Gatza just got gottchaed by a gaggle of > villainous thugs--i.e., some prima donna poets and some NEA hacks--and that > the thousands of letters of support he's receiving (and that are clogging > up the poetry sites on the net) are righteous and good. I'd be interested > to hear what others think about this stuff. > > Jerry > > > > > > > > On 4/13/2012 7:36 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlazeVOX [books] > To: jforjames > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm > Subject: Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post > > Having trouble viewing this email? Click here > *Happy Poetry Month & Thank You For Your Support!* > *Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post on the whole NEA thing > :-)* > [image: New Logo] Geoffrey Interviewed in The Huffington Post! > > *National Poetry Month Feature: Geoffrey Gatza of BlazeVOX [books] Talks > About the NEA Ban on His Small Press by Anis Shivani * > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > > > A big controversy in the poetry world these days is the discussion > surrounding Buffalo-based small press BlazeVOX [book]'s (now discontinued) > model of charging some authors a portion of the costs of publishing their > poetry books ($250, as I gather). In the closing months of last year, the > revelation of this practice inflamed passions in the generally staid world > of independent literary publishing. The controversy just got an enormous > boost with the recent decision of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) banning > poets from listing books published by BlazeVOX on their grant applications > . > Questions arise about the viability of poetry publishing in an age of > narrow audiences and little financial reward, and about gate-keeping, > quality control, editorial integrity and the technologies of dissemination. > > Read the whole interview here > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html > > > > > > > > [image: Follow us on Twitter] > > > [image: Like us on Facebook] > > > > Rockets, > Geoffrey Gatza > > BlazeVOX [books] > 76 Inwood Place > Buffalo, New York 14209 > editor at blazevox.org > > > Forward this email > This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by editor at blazevox.org | > > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy > Policy. > BlazeVOX [books] | 76 Inwood Place | Buffalo | NY | 14209 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 15:06:19 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler> <8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <1334343979.37842.YahooMailNeo@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> He only asked for that pretty low set-up fee for a brief window, Skip, as he was publishing a good number of books and couldn't afford each set-up fee himself after awhile.? Buffalo isn't exactly known anymore for its? former port town fame and doesn't pay accordingly these days.? I did three books with him and paid nothing.? I recall talking with another poet about his university press book author costs for purchase and feeling alright with the fact that I paid a fraction for my copies of what he paid.? Geoffrey's done a bang-up job with limited resources (originally, using his chef's wages to keep things rolling, including his own rent money) and has been open during his whole publication history about what goes where and how often and why.? The person who started the whole "he charges, how unfair, woe is me, sniffle" wanted some attention, more than his book might have rec'd, by creating a kurfluffle that shook Geoffrey unfairly, esp in light of the energy and enthusiasm he has invested in poetry over the years.? And now this NEA question, which couldn't even discern who paid what and when. Only a very few books by Blazevox found their set-up fees from the authors' pockets, and not Geoffrey's minimal ones. Amy ________________________________ From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy I did a book with BlazeVox but cannot remember sending money. It was in his second year so maybe he didn't do at the time or I misremember, which could well be the case. But if he does operate in this fashion does not make?it vanity; rather it allows Geoffrey to maintain an exciting and burgeoning list in this day without patron to speak of. ? The proof is in the quality (and quantity!) of his list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 13 22:22:19 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy In-Reply-To: <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> References: <1109760641804.1102813637767.1355.1.1922500F@scheduler><8CEE78926F7ADDC-BF4-2301@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> <4F8859D9.90302@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CEE7FC8D66C9E6-1F28-15482@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com> Most poetry publshing is 'socialized publishing' in some respect. The unversity press model. The ms. contest model. The guy who forms a press and publishes his friends. The indepednent poetry publishers (Graywolf, Copper Canyon, etc.) constantly grubbing for grants. I think the subsidy model (if reasonable and transparant) is just another form of socialized publishing. I too think Gatza and BlazeVOX have been abused by an organization (NEA) that wouldn't exist without subsidy or socialized largesse. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BlazeVOX controversy I've never been quite comfortable (at least, since I paid $90 to have copies of my juvenilia printed up in 1970) with presses that make publication contingent on authors' underwriting of expenses. I've had my most recent MS accepted three times, only to be told after the fact that I'd have to pay a substantial fee for it to be published (the latest one was something over $800, and it was a well-known press that produces elegant books). Since the books I've already published didn't require such underwriting, I've felt there was something vain (as in vanity press) about this. And it's the reason I never submitted work to BlazeVox--I understood they charged for publication, and didn't want to be involved with that. But I've seen lots of good stuff come out of that press (I understand there's supposed to be quite a bit of not-so-good stuff, too, but I haven't seen it), and this article has changed my mind in some measure, for several reasons. For one, Gatza just seems to be a good guy, operating his press for the love of the game. For a poet in the world of small- or large- press editors, that's to be cherished. And also, the idea that the creeps and bullies at NEA felt compelled to punish Gatza (and the poets he's published) puts me in his corner. Finally: $250? That's hardly vanity-level support. Even to me, it seems perfectly fair and reasonable, especially as Gatza also made various provisions for poets who were unable to afford it. And now Gatza has evidently changed his policy, dropping the $250 and increasing charges for authors to purchase copies of their books. Again, it seems perfectly fair and a reasonable thing to do in the circumstances. I still think that presses that charge very large fees are pretty much trying to do what the contest-presses do without exhibiting their stain of corruption (but with a kind of capitalist enthusiasm that ought to have CAVEAT EMPTOR printed all over it). I can also see that there's a kind of vanity that's earned--if a writer has a MS he/she knows is magnificent and wants to have a brilliant press turn it into a work of fine hands-on art with lush papers and meticulous aesthetic decisions, then s/he should probably cough up the expense that that entails. But in any case, I see a lot more gray space in this question than I used to, and feel pretty strongly that Gatza just got gottchaed by a gaggle of villainous thugs--i.e., some prima donna poets and some NEA hacks--and that the thousands of letters of support he's receiving (and that are clogging up the poetry sites on the net) are righteous and good. I'd be interested to hear what others think about this stuff. Jerry On 4/13/2012 7:36 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: -----Original Message----- From: BlazeVOX [books] To: jforjames Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm Subject: Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Happy Poetry Month & Thank You For Your Support! Geoffrey Gatza interviewed in the Huffington Post on the whole NEA thing :-) Geoffrey Interviewed in The Huffington Post! National Poetry Month Feature: Geoffrey Gatza of BlazeVOX [books] Talks About the NEA Ban on His Small Press by Anis Shivani http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html A big controversy in the poetry world these days is the discussion surrounding Buffalo-based small press BlazeVOX [book]'s (now discontinued) model of charging some authors a portion of the costs of publishing their poetry books ($250, as I gather). In the closing months of last year, the revelation of this practice inflamed passions in the generally staid world of independent literary publishing. The controversy just got an enormous boost with the recent decision of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) banning poets from listing books published by BlazeVOX on their grant applications. Questions arise about the viability of poetry publishing in an age of narrow audiences and little financial reward, and about gate-keeping, quality control, editorial integrity and the technologies of dissemination. Read the whole interview here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/blazevox-nea-ban_b_1374042.html Rockets, Geoffrey Gatza BlazeVOX [books] 76 Inwood Place Buffalo, New York 14209 editor at blazevox.org Forward this email This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by editor at blazevox.org | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy. BlazeVOX [books] | 76 Inwood Place | Buffalo | NY | 14209 _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- erry McGuire ept. of English niversity of Louisiana at Lafayette afayette LA 70506 lm8047 at louisiana.edu 37-482-5478 _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 02:44:36 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:44:36 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: An invitation to iPoems - a virtual exhibit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I find them very interesting. It takes about 3 seconds to understand how and where to click, you can also listen to Drone and Bees by Werner Durand, advised. Best wishes, Anny Welcome to *iPoems** * - an online exhibit by Nico Vassilakis - https://ipoems.virtualgallery.com/ * * * Feel free to click & peruse the gallery. (Flash recommended) Indeed you can purchase any piece(s) you like either in the gallery or through me by clicking here (this will assure you free shipping) Individual digital 8.5x11 12pt. gloss prints (unframed) are available at $35. Sets of exhibit contents - fourteen digital 8.5x11 12pt gloss prints - are available at $385 (through me only). Or send checks to: Nico Vassilakis, 4608 SW Admiral, Seattle, WA 98116 * * * iPoems are visual letter compositions created in 2011 using an iPod Touch. This exhibit is a sampler of a longer series. * * * Nico Vassilakis works with both textual and visual alphabet. Recent books include *Staring @ Poetics * (Xexoxial Editions, 2011), *West of Dodge * (redfoxpress, 2010), *Protracted Type * (Blue Lion Books, 2009), *staReduction * (Book Thug, 2008), and *Text Loses Time * (Many Penny Press, 2007). His vispo videos have been shown at festivals and exhibits of innovative language art. He was a founding member of the Subtext Collective . Nico, along with Crag Hill, edited *THE LAST VISPO: A Visual Poetry Anthology 1998 - 2008 * forthcoming from Fantagraphics Books (Fall 2012). -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He's worth knowing about. http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/book-blog/william-trowbridge-is-next-state-poet-laureate/article_5dda71a2-859b-11e1-bdb4-001a4bcf6878.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 13:15:07 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:15:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Trowbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That story of the rabbits and the hibiscus, :-) On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, David Graham-RC wrote: > One of my favorite contemporary poets has just hit the news: William > Trowbridge named Poet Laureate for Missouri. I know such honors get > sneered at in many quarters, and there can be a high silliness quotient, > sure; but my hope is that this news helps Trowbridge to become better > known. He's worth knowing about. > > > > http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/book-blog/william-trowbridge-is-next-state-poet-laureate/article_5dda71a2-859b-11e1-bdb4-001a4bcf6878.html > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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He could swear like a trooper in poems (some hilariously scandalous) and in others achieve a muted transcendence. They are not many (just 159 poems among the four published volumes), but a high percentage of them are unforgettable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Apr 14 18:16:48 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:16:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Complete Larkin In-Reply-To: <8CEE89CB95A9C70-1AB0-13001@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE89CB95A9C70-1AB0-13001@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F89F750.7020407@louisiana.edu> Now, this would stand as a blurb I could get into. Jerry On 4/14/2012 4:28 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323812276425678.html?mod=googlenews_wsj > > Philip Larkin was a major poet who wrote as if he were minor. The four > slender volumes of verse he published in his lifetime sold well and > were especially popular in England, yet he was frequently read as a > jaundiced provincial, something between his lonely bachelor Mr. > Bleaney and a bored suburban Baudelaire. But Larkin was our great poet > of thwarted love and mortality, with a burnished style and a > novelist's eye for detail. He could swear like a trooper in poems > (some hilariously scandalous) and in others achieve a muted > transcendence. They are not many (just 159 poems among the four > published volumes), but a high percentage of them are unforgettable. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 03:37:40 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:37:40 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Complete Larkin In-Reply-To: <4F89F750.7020407@louisiana.edu> References: <8CEE89CB95A9C70-1AB0-13001@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <4F89F750.7020407@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: I wonder why the cultural articles from The Wall Street Journal are usually better than the other ones. The same in Italy, the financial national newspaper is Il Sole 24 Ore and they have a weekly cultural section worth buying the newspaper, higher quality standards. I am asking, why? On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > Now, this would stand as a blurb I could get into. > > Jerry > > On 4/14/2012 4:28 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323812276425678.html?mod=googlenews_wsj > > Philip Larkin was a major poet who wrote as if he were minor. The four > slender volumes of verse he published in his lifetime sold well and were > especially popular in England, yet he was frequently read as a jaundiced > provincial, something between his lonely bachelor Mr. Bleaney and a bored > suburban Baudelaire. But Larkin was our great poet of thwarted love and > mortality, with a burnished style and a novelist's eye for detail. He could > swear like a trooper in poems (some hilariously scandalous) and in others > achieve a muted transcendence. They are not many (just 159 poems among the > four published volumes), but a high percentage of them are unforgettable. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Saint's Life Let's face it, classmates, faith's a gift for being too amazed, too curious to be afraid when a pasture full of shit hits the fan, when the huge blind finger on the horizon finds your house and flicks you out an upstairs window. Think of little Buster, windborne, descending like a kite four blocks away, bemused by Joe and Myra's cries. Now, when his life flickers miraculously before us, we fly with him, reel to reel, in a dream of ourselves: blessed survivors in a world where nothing works, where everything, sooner or later, breaks, clogs, goes kerflooey. We show the immortal deadpan, all staring and cheekbones, as the house falls, the boat sinks, the Lizzie dies on the tracks, sure we'll think of something before time runs out or discover the whole thing's a bluff we can call by simply standing still: the wall crashes harmlessly around us, the boat rises on a submarine, the train switches tracks and blusters off. Dressed in solemn oaths, our faults and stewings chase us through the streets, waving their billys, too fat, too dumb, too choked with rage to ever beat us to the next corner, the next unreeling, where the anarchist's bomb serves only to light our cigarette. The secret it not to break the face's holy silence, not to laugh, not even to lift an eyebrow: it gives us away, spoils the gag, wakes us in midair. --William Trowbridge. O Paradise. U Arkansas P, 1995. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was imagining a beleaguered poet teaching his or her single graduate workshop at, say, a university in Missouri, then fleeing at every opportunity, on weekends & school breaks, to Provincetown, San Francisco, or the Berkshires. In other words, the poem began with some writerly jealousy or at least grass-is-greener yearning. And so I began riffing on that notion, intending to concoct a comic poem that might go over well at readings. Poor me, teaching my many sections of freshman comp year after year, and no Guggenheims or MacArthurs on my horizon. But then it swerved a bit and got beyond me, and I liked it more. A familiar pattern, but not one I can ever plan to follow. . . . Since many of my best poems begin in this way with dumb prompts, I am more than a little resistant to those critics who dismiss all such things as "workshop poems," McPoems, etc. It's only true when they fail, I say. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:45 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > David Graham has proven to be one of our most indivisible poets. > --Jim Finnegan > > [Funny and serious; seriously, I liked that one.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 6:38 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham > > Here's our David Graham: > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue108/poems/graham.html > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 15 11:02:44 2012 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham-RC) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:02:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham In-Reply-To: References: <8CEE9252CB331E7-1558-24A9D@Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <565CC432-732A-43FB-ACFF-A582991CA6C8@ripon.edu> Jim C: you talkin' to me? You talkin' to ME? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:55 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > David Graham has proven to be one of our most invisible poets. > - Jim Cervantes > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM, wrote: > > David Graham has proven to be one of our most indivisible poets. > --Jim Finnegan > > [Funny and serious; seriously, I liked that one.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 6:38 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham > > Here's our David Graham: > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue108/poems/graham.html > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sun Apr 15 11:06:36 2012 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] A Complete Larkin Message-ID: <3c14a.5637b5b3.3cbc3dfc@cs.com> More complete than anyone would wish! The Larkin Press Summary Methods of media access and consumption evolve in-line with the production and dissemination technologies available to publishers and consumers. In 1999 the advent of the portable MP3 player radically changed the music publishing and distribution industries and, although on-line journals are nothing new, the last few years have seen both eBook reader manufacturers and progressive publishing houses further challenging existing book and journal print models. A variety of eBook creation tools and services exist to support self-publishers, however in an academic context there is a clear need to exercise levels of editorial control. The Larkin Press (the celebrated poet Philip Larkin being The University of Hull's former Head Librarian) aims to produce a web interface for authors and editors to create, manage and disseminate multi-format academic output (eBook and Print) from The University of Hull, combining existing University activities into a publishing whole. The Press will focus initially on the creative output from The Philip Larkin Centre. The platform will achieve its aims through the creation of a virtual community of editors and authors that will interface with The University's digital archive and, through partnering with a local print company, facilitate print-on-demand. A key aspect is the ability to create differing communities of editors and authors to drive the various imprints of The Press, with a core aim being to encourage the creative output of students as well as academics. The result for The University will be visibility of, and access to, high quality peer reviewed output, population of the existing archive and, in the scope and context of this project bid, help to establish East and North Yorkshire as an independent publishing force. Whilst initially addressing the publication of creative writing, the platform will be designed so that, post-project, a wider range of academic output can be integrated and made public. Opportunities to roll out the solution to other institutions will also be identified. Objectives ? Review existing open-source elements relevant to the platform. ? Review rights management: to include legal agreements and business models. ? Review workflow and dynamic model of platform. ? To identify the role of the local digital archive in the publication process and integrate it accordingly. ? Define architecture including bespoke elements. ? Create visual design and look-and-feel of The Press, including publication template design. ? Iterative design and development of platform. ? Create a range of sample outputs using the project team to further evaluate the platform. ? Launch The Press with an event that ensures stakeholders have project buy-in. ? Carry out user participation and perception study post-launch. ? Close and evaluate project with sustainability plan in place. Anticipated Outputs and Outcomes ? An open source multi-format publishing platform. ? A range of sample outputs (both Journal and Book) showcasing the creative output of both the Larkin Centre and the wider University body. ? An embedded, sustainable community of editors and authors that are supported by participatory nature of The Press. ? Project reports and documentation. ? Publications: User perception study and interface design reflection. 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 12:28:33 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:28:33 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham In-Reply-To: <565CC432-732A-43FB-ACFF-A582991CA6C8@ripon.edu> References: <8CEE9252CB331E7-1558-24A9D@Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com> <565CC432-732A-43FB-ACFF-A582991CA6C8@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Thought I heard something . . . . . hmmm . . . . . I guess not. - Jim On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM, David Graham-RC wrote: > Jim C: you talkin' to me? You talkin' to ME? > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:55 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > > David Graham has proven to be one of our most invisible poets. > - Jim Cervantes > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM, wrote: > >> >> David Graham has proven to be one of our most indivisible poets. >> --Jim Finnegan >> >> [Funny and serious; seriously, I liked that one.] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 6:38 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham >> >> Here's our David Graham: >> http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue108/poems/graham.html >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The same in Italy, the financial national newspaper is Il Sole 24 Ore and they have a weekly cultural section worth buying the newspaper, higher quality standards. I am asking, why? On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: Now, this would stand as a blurb I could get into. Jerry On 4/14/2012 4:28 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323812276425678.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Philip Larkin was a major poet who wrote as if he were minor. The four slender volumes of verse he published in his lifetime sold well and were especially popular in England, yet he was frequently read as a jaundiced provincial, something between his lonely bachelor Mr. Bleaney and a bored suburban Baudelaire. But Larkin was our great poet of thwarted love and mortality, with a burnished style and a novelist's eye for detail. He could swear like a trooper in poems (some hilariously scandalous) and in others achieve a muted transcendence. They are not many (just 159 poems among the four published volumes), but a high percentage of them are unforgettable. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche < Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae > Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 12:57:16 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] A Complete Larkin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334509036.50327.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> a muted transcendence? --- On Sun, 4/15/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Complete Larkin To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 15, 2012, 3:37 AM I wonder why the cultural articles from The Wall Street Journal are usually better than the other ones. The same in Italy, the financial national newspaper is Il Sole 24 Ore and they have a weekly cultural section worth buying the newspaper, higher quality standards. I am asking, why? On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: Now, this would stand as a blurb I could get into. Jerry On 4/14/2012 4:28 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323812276425678.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Philip Larkin was a major poet who wrote as if he were minor. The four slender volumes of verse he published in his lifetime sold well and were especially popular in England, yet he was frequently read as a jaundiced provincial, something between his lonely bachelor Mr. Bleaney and a bored suburban Baudelaire. But Larkin was our great poet of thwarted love and mortality, with a burnished style and a novelist's eye for detail. He could swear like a trooper in poems (some hilariously scandalous) and in others achieve a muted transcendence. They are not many (just 159 poems among the four published volumes), but a high percentage of them are unforgettable. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 13:21:21 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:21:21 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Trowbridge poem In-Reply-To: <1EBB26B1-0993-4A26-B1F7-4D47E1524D90@ripon.edu> References: <1EBB26B1-0993-4A26-B1F7-4D47E1524D90@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Ah, the Saint's Life ! On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, David Graham-RC wrote: > > > Here's an example of William Trowbridge's poetry. > > *Saint's Life* > > > Let's face it, classmates, faith's a gift > for being too amazed, too curious > to be afraid when a pasture full of shit > hits the fan, when the huge blind finger > on the horizon finds your house and flicks you out > an upstairs window. Think of little Buster, > windborne, descending like a kite four blocks > away, bemused by Joe and Myra's cries. > > Now, when his life flickers miraculously before us, > we fly with him, reel to reel, in a dream of ourselves: > blessed survivors in a world where nothing works, > where everything, sooner or later, breaks, clogs, > goes kerflooey. We show the immortal deadpan, > all staring and cheekbones, as the house falls, > the boat sinks, the Lizzie dies on the tracks, > sure we'll think of something before time runs out > or discover the whole thing's a bluff we can call > by simply standing still: the wall crashes > harmlessly around us, the boat rises on a submarine, > the train switches tracks and blusters off. > > Dressed in solemn oaths, our faults and stewings > chase us through the streets, waving their billys, > too fat, too dumb, too choked with rage to ever > beat us to the next corner, the next unreeling, > where the anarchist's bomb serves only to light > our cigarette. The secret it not to break > the face's holy silence, not to laugh, > not even to lift an eyebrow: it gives us away, > spoils the gag, wakes us in midair. > > --William Trowbridge. *O Paradise*. U Arkansas P, 1995. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <8CEE952823B0FDB-88C-1B362@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> Various centenary observations of the Titanic disaster are in news. So I call for poems related to ships (aka boats), from skiffs to aircraft carriers.., Here's one of mine: Out There Out wheregulls are borne forth fromthe froth ofwhitecaps. Where fish spawn from pure facets ofblue-green liquefaction. Out wherethe sea makes roundthe pebble of thisworld. Where wateris sky and what clouds there are,are only whale shadows. Out where acargo ship rides high in thewater, plying the oceans in searchof a port of call where itmight off-load theemptiness within its holds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 00:29:38 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:29:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham In-Reply-To: <8CEE9511958195B-88C-1B2FE@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE9511958195B-88C-1B2FE@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's a blurb David can use. On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM, wrote: > Obsessively exploring the interstices and the liminal, David Graham's > poetry has slipped through the cracks in our collective consciousness. > --Jim Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 2:44 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David Graham > > David Graham has proven to be one of our most invisible poets. > - Jim Cervantes > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM, wrote: > >> >> David Graham has proven to be one of our most indivisible poets. >> --Jim Finnegan >> >> [Funny and serious; seriously, I liked that one.] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 6:38 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] David Graham >> >> Here's our David Graham: >> http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue108/poems/graham.html >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Clift, Rachel Dacus, Lucille Lang Day, Teneice Durrant Delgado, Myron Ernst, Patricia Fargnoli, Timothy Gray, Daniel Henry, Miriam Kotzin, Len Krisak, Peter Makuck, Al Maginnes, Greg McBride, Ron McFarland, Travis Mossotti, April Ossmann, William Page, Jon Palzer, Ron Paul Salutsky, Peter Serchuk, Floyd Skloot, Karen Skolfield, Larry D. Thomas, William Walsh, Laura Lee Washburn, Charles Harper Webb, Lesley Wheeler, Valerie Wohlfeld Reviews: Ingrid Wendt Reviewed by Janet McCann; Wendy Videlock Reviewed by D.A. Jeremy Telman; Rachel Contreni Flynn Reviewed by Paul David Adkins Cover Art Commentary on Kara Walker by Gregg Hertzlieb Recently Received and Recommended Books -- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu Web Page: http://edwardbyrne.shutterfly.com/ Audio Chapbook: http://wschap4.wordpress.com/ Latest Book: http://www.turningpointbooks.com/byrne-tinted.html Personal Blog: http://www.edwardbyrnepoetry.blogspot.com/ Photography Blog: http://edwardbyrne.wordpress.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ VPR Editor's Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Co-Editor, Valparaiso Fiction Review: http://scholar.valpo.edu/vfr E-mail: vfr at valpo.edu Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Twitter: http://twitter.com/valpopoetry Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Revolution Poesy < revolutionpoesy at gmail.com> wrote: > The Long Poem Library > > This is a brand new digital library of contemporary long poems by > contemporary poets. It is my fervent hope that the library will grow and > flourish. Aesthetically, the site is intended to be unobtrusive, in order > to showcase the poetry and the poetry alone. The most important factor > is, again, newness! There are no rules. There shouldn't be, especially > with poetry. You *are *the library. > > Moreover, The Long Poem Library is NOT affiliated with a college or > university, or creative writing program, or to anyone who has pull and sway > within the literary establishment. You do NOT need name recognition or > impressive credentials or a fancy CV to be published here. Everyone is > welcome. > > The poesy is king. > > www.revolutionpoesy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is my fervent hope that the library will grow and >> flourish. Aesthetically, the site is intended to be unobtrusive, in order >> to showcase the poetry and the poetry alone. The most important factor >> is, again, newness! There are no rules. There shouldn't be, especially >> with poetry. You *are *the library. >> >> Moreover, The Long Poem Library is NOT affiliated with a college or >> university, or creative writing program, or to anyone who has pull and sway >> within the literary establishment. You do NOT need name recognition or >> impressive credentials or a fancy CV to be published here. 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Our recent successful Kickstarter campaign to fund the current open call has really energized everyone at the press, and we are hoping to move toward a subscription model like those used by other presses, including Ugly Duckling Presse, to create a more consistent funding base. Plain and simple publishing experimental literature rarely pays for itself and our wonderful distributor, Small Press Distribution, takes a healthy cut of every book sale that we make. That?s why we definitely will need subscribers and individual donors if we are going to survive as a press and continue to champion great new writers." -- And here are a sample of poetry projects on kickstarter... http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/poetry?ref=sidebar -- Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I?ve probably personally kicked in a healthy tithe > of my salary, especially in the early years, but more recently we?ve > been trying to move the press toward a self-sufficient model. Our > recent successful Kickstarter campaign to fund the current open call > has really energized everyone at the press, and we are hoping to > move toward a subscription model like those used by other presses, > including Ugly Duckling Presse, to create a more consistent funding > base. Plain and simple publishing experimental literature rarely pays > for itself and our wonderful distributor, Small Press Distribution, takes > a healthy cut of every book sale that we make. > > That?s why we definitely will need subscribers and individual > donors if we are going to survive as a press and continue to > champion great new writers." > > -- > And here are a sample of poetry projects on kickstarter... > http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/poetry?ref=sidebar > -- > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don?t underestimate it: that hot note That whispers in your ear and cuts your throat. * *Kim Bridgford On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:03 PM, SULLIVAN wrote: > ** > The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry from > Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit. > *http://www.towerjournal.com > > Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. > > Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his > latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets. > > *And lots more ! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* ** **And lots more ! and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, no better, the fraction of a second. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 16:57:15 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:57:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And this surprises you because . . . ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I am so surprised at the swift intellectual (and probably superior > telepathic) capacity of some people who populate the jungle of Facebook. I > copied and pasted the following: > > The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry from > Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit.* > **http://www.towerjournal.com > > Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. > > Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his > latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* > ** > **And lots more ! > > and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, no > better, the fraction of a second. > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 16:59:17 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:59:17 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They should at least click on the link and see where I am directing them, or? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > And this surprises you because . . . ? > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am so surprised at the swift intellectual (and probably superior >> telepathic) capacity of some people who populate the jungle of Facebook. I >> copied and pasted the following: >> >> The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry from >> Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit.* >> **http://www.towerjournal.com >> >> Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. >> >> Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his >> latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* >> ** >> **And lots more ! >> >> and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, no >> better, the fraction of a second. >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > They should at least click on the link and see where I am directing them, > or? > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> And this surprises you because . . . ? >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am so surprised at the swift intellectual (and probably superior >>> telepathic) capacity of some people who populate the jungle of Facebook. I >>> copied and pasted the following: >>> >>> The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry from >>> Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit.* >>> **http://www.towerjournal.com >>> >>> Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. >>> >>> Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his >>> latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* >>> ** >>> **And lots more ! >>> >>> and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, no >>> better, the fraction of a second. >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 17:13:51 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:13:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Hal for giving me hope again in the human being. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Or maybe they've already read/seen it? > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> They should at least click on the link and see where I am directing them, >> or? >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> And this surprises you because . . . ? >>> >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >>> email to my address above) >>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >>> from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >>> P?blicas ; **The >>> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >>> of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ; **Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Anny Ballardini < >>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am so surprised at the swift intellectual (and probably superior >>>> telepathic) capacity of some people who populate the jungle of Facebook. I >>>> copied and pasted the following: >>>> >>>> The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry >>>> from Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit.* >>>> **http://www.towerjournal.com >>>> >>>> Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. >>>> >>>> Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his >>>> latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* >>>> ** >>>> **And lots more ! >>>> >>>> and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, >>>> no better, the fraction of a second. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anny Ballardini >>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>>> star! >>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>> >>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>> Giovenale >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thank you Hal for giving me hope again in the human being. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Or maybe they've already read/seen it? >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> They should at least click on the link and see where I am directing >>> them, or? >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> And this surprises you because . . . ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Serving the tri-state area. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> >>>> halvard at gmail.com >>>> >>>> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >>>> email to my address above) >>>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>>> >>>> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >>>> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >>>> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >>>> from the Basque & Other Poems >>>> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >>>> P?blicas ; **The >>>> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>>> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >>>> of Harmony >>>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>>> ; **Transparencies & Projections >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Anny Ballardini < >>>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am so surprised at the swift intellectual (and probably superior >>>>> telepathic) capacity of some people who populate the jungle of Facebook. I >>>>> copied and pasted the following: >>>>> >>>>> The Spring/Summer issue of *The Tower Journal* features new poetry >>>>> from Kim Bridgford's collection *Bully Pulpit.* >>>>> **http://www.towerjournal.com >>>>> >>>>> Also in the issue, Jane Hirschfield makes a surprise visit. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy an audio interview with Lewis Turco along with a review of his >>>>> latest book *Epitaphs for the Poets.* >>>>> ** >>>>> **And lots more ! >>>>> >>>>> and in the tick of a second, two people liked it, I mean: one second, >>>>> no better, the fraction of a second. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Anny Ballardini >>>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>>>> dancing star! >>>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>>> >>>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>>> Giovenale >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 16 22:56:41 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tracy K. Smith takes Pulitzer in Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CEEA26536571F5-17BC-22EF5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEEA26536571F5-17BC-22EF5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEEA5CD96DF776-EF0-27198@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> More on Tracy K. Smith's Pulitzer... http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/46/07Q45/index.xml?section=faculty -----Original Message----- From: jforjames To: new-poetry Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:27 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Tracy K. Smith takes Pulitzer in Poetry http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-late-manning-marable-wins-history-pulitzer-no-fiction-award-for-first-time-in-35-years/2012/04/16/gIQADJIzLT_story.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 17 10:06:13 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Prayer and Poetry Message-ID: <8CEEABA619EB4A6-1BF4-3342F@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katherine-towler/prayer-and-poetry_b_1387832.html Despite being a lifelong Episcopalian, when I am most in need of spiritual solace I am more likely to reach for poetry than the Bible or Book of Common Prayer. In its revelatory nature, the greatest poetry can give voice to deeply held feelings and beliefs we may not know we possess until the poem names them for us. Many of the ancient religious texts are of course poetry, full of their own rhythms and beauty, yet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 10:30:17 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tracy K. Smith takes Pulitzer in Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CEEA26536571F5-17BC-22EF5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1334673017.52037.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... and Denis Johnson?s novella ?Train Dreams.? It was considered. Remarkable novel. Can't miss with Denis Johnson. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Tracy K. Smith takes Pulitzer in Poetry To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 4:26 PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-late-manning-marable-wins-history-pulitzer-no-fiction-award-for-first-time-in-35-years/2012/04/16/gIQADJIzLT_story.html? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 10:38:10 2012 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tomorrow Night -- Brooklyn Independents: BPL Presents + "Selling Identity (panel) + KGB Bar + Stain of Poetry Message-ID: <1334673490.21016.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> THE BROOKLYN PUBLIC LIBRARY PRESENTS: BROOKLYN INDEPENDENTS ? Greetings, New York! Join us this Wednesday at the Brooklyn Public Library -- we'll be celebrating National Poetry Month with a handful of small, independent presses, including Belladonna and Futurepoem.? ? Amy King will read fromI Want to Make You Safe?(Litmus Press), R. Erica Doyle will read from Proxy?(Belladonna), and Frances Richard will read from Anarch?(Futurepoem). Special guest author, Edgar Oliver, will read his poem, The Brooklyn Public Library.? Wednesday, April 18, 2012; 7 pm? Brooklyn Public Library Central Library, Dweck Center 10 Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn, NY 11238?(map) Directions:Subway Take the 2 or the 3 to the Eastern Parkway Station.? Exit on the side of the Brooklyn Museum. Walk down Eastern Parkway past the Botanical Gardens, the library will be on your left. Take the 2 or the 3 to Grand Army Plaza Station.? Walk up Flatbush Avenue.? The Central Library is at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Flatbush. Take the Q or B to the 7th Avenue Station.? Follow Flatbush Avenue up the hill.? The Central Library at Grand Army Plaza is about 4 blocks away. ~~~~~~~~ Wednesday, April 25, 2012; 8:15 pm "Selling Identity" panel discussion with: Cate Marvin (VIDA), Amy King (VIDA), Chris Jackson (Random House), Tiphanie Yanique (The New School) & Heidi Julavits (The Believer) Columbia University Main Campus, Dodge Hall, Room 413 116th and Broadway, New York, NY 10027 ~~~~~~~~ King, Rold?n, Dodson, Languell @ KGB Bar ** Thursday, April 26, 2012? @ 7 p.m. ** Amy King is the author of, most recently, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press). She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett, co-edits Esque Magazine and the PEN Poetry Series with Ana Bozicevic, and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College. Camilo Rold?n is a poet and translator living in New York City and co-curates the monthly Triptych Reading Series at The 11th Street Bar in Manhattan. He is the author of a chapbook of translations, Am?lkar U., Nada?sta in Translation (These Signals Press, 2011) and his poems have appeared in various journals, including Leveler, Lungfull! and Pank. Ted Dodson is the co-founder and editor of the filmed journal, On the Escape, a curator for the Triptych Reading Series, and is an editor and the special projects coordinator for Futurepoem. Select publication can be found in Tim, SET, On the Escape, la fovea, The Image Project, Onesies, and Interrobang. He is from Middleburg, VA and resides in Brooklyn, NY. Krystal Languell is the author of the poetry collection Call the Catastrophists (BlazeVox, 2011). Her work has appeared in Denver Quarterly, Fairy Tale Review, and DIAGRAM among other journals. Founder of the feminist literary magazine Bone Bouquet, she is also a collaborative board member for the Belladonna* Collaborative in Brooklyn. KGB Bar -? http://www.kgbbar.com/ 85 E. 4th St., 2nd fl, New York, NY 10003 (Between Bowery and Second Ave.) ~~~~~~~ Lisa Ciccarello * Jim Goar * Nikola Madzirov * Janaka Stucky * Wendy?Xu 7 PM on April 27th @ Goodbye Blue Monday ? Bushwick, Brooklyn at Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 Broadway (corner of Dodworth St) Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013(718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave or J train to Kosciusko St Hosted by Erika Moya + Christie Ann Reynolds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 17 10:40:25 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] nontraditional route (to publication/recognition) Message-ID: <8CEEABF28D1C277-1BF4-33AF9@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> The extension of Poetic Republic's poetry competition into an eBook publication holds out the prospect of a new publishing model based on large scale anonymous peer review. Throughout May and June many hundreds of poets will read each other's work in strict isolation, unaware of other participants' opinions, comments or identity. The eBook publication that emerges will be based on a framework of structured participation which maximises the contribution of each participant. The traditional roles of named judges and editors will have been replaced by mass collaboration. The eBook will comprise not simply the best poems but also selections of the best comments made by participants during the judging process. The best comments will be chosen by the shortlisted poets. "Lots of good poetry never gains recognition through the traditional routes,.. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/04/17/prweb9406475.DTL#ixzz1sJCNpho8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then again, a Denis Johnson disappointment is still better than most other novelists' best work. c -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 17 12:47:24 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Di Piero Awarded 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEEAD0E6030F33-1BF4-353DC@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: info To: Jim Finnegan Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:39 pm Subject: W.S. Di Piero Awarded 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view it in your web browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 17, 2012 W.S. Di Piero Awarded 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize Award recognizes lifetime accomplishment with $100,000 prize CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation is pleased to announce that poet W.S. Di Piero has won the 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. Presented annually to a living U.S. poet whose lifetime accomplishments warrant extraordinary recognition, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize is one of the most prestigious awards given to American poets. At $100,000, it is also one of the nation?s largest literary prizes. Established in 1986, the prize is sponsored and administered by the Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine. The prize will be presented at the Pegasus Awards ceremony, along with the 2012 Emily Dickinson First Book Award, at the Poetry Foundation on Monday, June 11. In making the announcement, Christian Wiman, editor of Poetry magazine, noted that the selection may surprise some and hoped it would bring Di Piero new readers. ?R.P. Blackmur once said that great poetry ?adds to the stock of available reality,? and that?s certainly true of W.S. Di Piero?s work. He wakes up the language, and in doing so wakes up his readers, whose lives are suddenly sharper and larger than they were before. He?s a great poet whose work is just beginning to get the wide audience it deserves.? Born in 1945 in Philadelphia, W.S. Piero has authored ten books of poetry, including, most recently in 2011, Nitro Nights, as well as five essay collections. He has also translated Giacomo Leopardi?s Pensieri and Ion by Euripides, among others. Professor emeritus of English at Stanford University, Di Piero writes a regular column on the visual arts for the independent newsweekly the San Diego Reader and contributes regularly to The Threepenny Review. His poetry and translations have been published widely, including in The New Yorker, Poetry, Ploughshares, The American Poetry Review, and Agni, and his essays and reviews have appeared in The New York Times Book Review, The New Republic, The American Scholar, Commonweal, Bookforum, and elsewhere. The recipient of fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and the National Endowment for the Arts, he won the California Book Award in Poetry for Chinese Apples: New and Selected Poems in 2007. He lives in San Francisco, California. ?In recognizing the lifetime accomplishments of W.S. Di Piero, we also honor the woman whose name the award bears; Ruth Lilly was a extraordinary friend of poetry whose generosity and dedication to the art remain peerless,? said John Barr, president of the Poetry Foundation. Previous recipients of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize are Adrienne Rich, Philip Levine, Anthony Hecht, Mona Van Duyn, Hayden Carruth, David Wagoner, John Ashbery, Charles Wright, Donald Hall, A.R. Ammons, Gerald Stern, William Matthews, W.S. Merwin, Maxine Kumin, Carl Dennis, Yusef Komunyakaa, Lisel Mueller, Linda Pastan, Kay Ryan, C.K. Williams, Richard Wilbur, Lucille Clifton, Gary Snyder, Fanny Howe, Eleanor Ross Taylor, and David Ferry. * * * About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize American poetry has no greater friend than Ruth Lilly. Over many years and in many ways, it has been blessed by her personal generosity. In 1985 she endowed the Ruth Lilly Professorship in Poetry at Indiana University. In 1989 she created Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowships, for $15,000 each, given annually by the Poetry Foundation to undergraduate or graduate students selected through a national competition. In 2002 her lifetime engagement with poetry culminated in a magnificent bequest that will enable the Poetry Foundation to promote, in perpetuity, a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine, is an independent literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative partnerships, prizes, and programs. Opened to the public in June 2011, the Poetry Foundation building in Chicago provides new space for the Foundation?s extensive roster of public programs and events. It also houses a public garden, a library, and an exhibition gallery, as well as the offices of the Poetry Foundation and Poetry magazine. For more information, please visit poetryfoundation.org. Follow the Poetry Foundation and Poetry on Facebook at facebook.com/poetryfoundation or on Twitter @PoetryFound. POETRY FOUNDATION | 61 W. Superior St. | Chicago, IL 60611 | 312.787.7070 Media Contact: Stephanie Hlywak, 312.799.8016; shlywak at poetryfoundation.org View this release online. Forward to a friend Find us on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Contact POETRY FOUNDATION 61 West Superior Street Chicago, IL 60654 312.799.8016 Media Contact: Stephanie Hlywak Discover more poetry Sign up to receive the latest Poetry Foundation news, articles, and releases. You have received this newsletter because you submitted your email address at http://www.poetryfoundation.org. You may unsubscribe or change your newsletter subscription preferences at any time. 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Di Piero Awarded 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize > *Award recognizes lifetime accomplishment with $100,000 prize* > CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation is pleased to announce that poet W.S. > Di Piero has won the 2012 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. > Presented annually to a living U.S. poet whose lifetime accomplishments > warrant extraordinary recognition, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize is one of > the most prestigious awards given to American poets. At $100,000, it is > also one of the nation?s largest literary prizes. Established in 1986, the > prize is sponsored and administered by the Poetry Foundation, publisher of > *Poetry *magazine. The prize will be presented at the Pegasus Awards > ceremony, along with the 2012 Emily Dickinson First Book Award, at the > Poetry Foundation on Monday, June 11. > In making the announcement, Christian Wiman, editor of *Poetry*magazine, noted that the selection may surprise some and hoped it would > bring Di Piero new readers. > ?R.P. Blackmur once said that great poetry ?adds to the stock of > available reality,? and that?s certainly true of W.S. Di Piero?s work. He > wakes up the language, and in doing so wakes up his readers, whose lives > are suddenly sharper and larger than they were before. He?s a great poet > whose work is just beginning to get the wide audience it deserves.? > Born in 1945 in Philadelphia, W.S. Piero has authored ten books of > poetry, including, most recently in 2011, *Nitro Nights*, as well as five > essay collections. He has also translated Giacomo Leopardi?s *Pensieri*and > *Ion* by Euripides, among others. Professor emeritus of English at > Stanford University, Di Piero writes a regular column on the visual arts > for the independent newsweekly the *San Diego Reader* and contributes > regularly to *The Threepenny Review*. His poetry and translations have > been published widely, including in *The New Yorker*, *Poetry*, * > Ploughshares*, *The American Poetry Review*, and *Agni*, and his essays > and reviews have appeared in *The New York Times Book Review*, *The New > Republic*, *The American Scholar*, *Commonweal*, *Bookforum*, and > elsewhere. The recipient of fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and > the National Endowment for the Arts, he won the California Book Award in > Poetry for *Chinese Apples: New and Selected Poems* in 2007. He lives in > San Francisco, California. > ?In recognizing the lifetime accomplishments of W.S. Di Piero, we also > honor the woman whose name the award bears; Ruth Lilly was a extraordinary > friend of poetry whose generosity and dedication to the art remain > peerless,? said John Barr, president of the Poetry Foundation. > Previous recipients of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize are Adrienne Rich, > Philip Levine, Anthony Hecht, Mona Van Duyn, Hayden Carruth, David Wagoner, > John Ashbery, Charles Wright, Donald Hall, A.R. Ammons, Gerald Stern, > William Matthews, W.S. Merwin, Maxine Kumin, Carl Dennis, Yusef Komunyakaa, > Lisel Mueller, Linda Pastan, Kay Ryan, C.K. Williams, Richard Wilbur, > Lucille Clifton, Gary Snyder, Fanny Howe, Eleanor Ross Taylor, and David > Ferry. > * * * > > *About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize* > American poetry has no greater friend than Ruth Lilly. Over many years and > in many ways, it has been blessed by her personal generosity. In 1985 she > endowed the Ruth Lilly Professorship in Poetry at Indiana University. In > 1989 she created Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowships, for $15,000 each, given > annually by the Poetry Foundation to undergraduate or graduate students > selected through a national competition. In 2002 her lifetime engagement > with poetry culminated in a magnificent bequest that will enable the Poetry > Foundation to promote, in perpetuity, a vigorous presence for poetry in our > culture. > *About the Poetry Foundation* > The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine, is an independent > literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our > culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place > it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be > a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new > audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of > poetry through innovative partnerships, prizes, and programs. Opened to the > public in June 2011, the Poetry Foundation building in Chicago provides new > space for the Foundation?s extensive roster of public programs and events. > It also houses a public garden, a library, and an exhibition gallery, as > well as the offices of the Poetry Foundation and *Poetry* magazine. For > more information, please visit poetryfoundation.org > . > Follow the Poetry Foundation and Poetry on Facebook at > facebook.com/poetryfoundationor on Twitter > @PoetryFound > *.* > POETRY FOUNDATION | 61 W. 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Here's an excerpt to give you a taste: As a child, the poet shares that his grandmother was a key figure in his development as a person and as a poet: "Each afternoon we would come over and share in a number of things: a nice Coca-Cola, back when it truly was 'the real thing,' some Portuguese cookies that we referred to as "bulls," because you could break a tooth eating them, and watching American Bandstand with Dick Clark. My grandmother couldn't understand a word of what was being said in the music or the conversation of that show, but she would stand in front of the television set, bent over in her dark widow's clothing, and simply laugh, her rosary in hand." http://ww1.rtp.pt/icmblogs/rtp/comunidades/?k=%93Sam-Pereira-The-Real-Thing%94-by-Millicent-Borges-Accardi.rtp&post=39025 Millicent - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My recent interview with the poet Sam Pereira has been picked up by Comunidades RTP (Azorean web page). Sam is a wonderful poet and he tells a great tale. All I had to do was get out of the way. I hope you like it. Here's an excerpt to give you a taste: As a child, the poet shares that his grandmother was a key figure in his development as a person and as a poet: "Each afternoon we would come over and share in a number of things: a nice Coca-Cola, back when it truly was 'the real thing,' some Portuguese cookies that we referred to as "bulls," because you could break a tooth eating them, and watching American Bandstand with Dick Clark. My grandmother couldn't understand a word of what was being said in the music or the conversation of that show, but she would stand in front of the television set, bent over in her dark widow's clothing, and simply laugh, her rosary in hand." http://ww1.rtp.pt/icmblogs/rtp/comunidades/?k=%93Sam-Pereira-The-Real-Thing%94-by-Millicent-Borges-Accardi.rtp&post=39025 Millicent - _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Revolution Poesy wrote: The Long Poem Library This is a brand new digital library of contemporary long poems by contemporary poets. It is my fervent hope that the library will grow and flourish. Aesthetically, the site is intended to be unobtrusive, in order to showcase the poetry and the poetry alone. The most important factor is, again, newness!? There are no ?rules. There shouldn't be, especially with poetry. You are the library. Moreover, The Long Poem Library is NOT affiliated with a college or university, or creative writing program, or to anyone who has pull and sway within the literary establishment. You do NOT need name recognition or impressive credentials or a fancy CV to be?published here.? Everyone is welcome.? 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The two criteria for inclusion are that a poem be at least seven (7)pages, and the work utilize as many experimental techniques as possible (see my manifesto). Of course, there are NO page limitations after the first seven, but the poem should be a cohesive whole, not a bunch of poems thrown together.? --- On Wed, 4/18/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Submit your work to the Long Poem Library To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 6:04 PM they did. at least 7 pages. it includes a poem by Bobbi Lurie and two other poets. ? ? --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Submit your work to the Long Poem Library To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 12:37 PM It would be nice if they defined "long." ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Revolution Poesy wrote: The Long Poem Library This is a brand new digital library of contemporary long poems by contemporary poets. It is my fervent hope that the library will grow and flourish. Aesthetically, the site is intended to be unobtrusive, in order to showcase the poetry and the poetry alone. The most important factor is, again, newness!? There are no ?rules. There shouldn't be, especially with poetry. You are the library. Moreover, The Long Poem Library is NOT affiliated with a college or university, or creative writing program, or to anyone who has pull and sway within the literary establishment. You do NOT need name recognition or impressive credentials or a fancy CV to be?published here.? Everyone is welcome.? 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On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Here's our David Graham: > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue108/poems/graham.html > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Fri Apr 20 19:38:32 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:38:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F91F378.1010705@louisiana.edu> Hal, I've been a fan of Feldman since I first encountered him in the seventies in Buffalo. My favorite is certainly his "Rothko Chapel, but my most recent acquisition is also lovely: _Only_, a disk of his vocal music sung by Joan La Barbara, with the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players. It's perhaps a little uneven (that is, its pieces are not all equally easy to listen to), but its high points are spectacular, especially the title track, based on a Rilke poem. Other tracks: "Voice, Violin, and Piano," "Vertical Thoughts 5," "For Franz Kline," "Voices and Cello," and "Pianos and Voices." "Only" is performed twice on the disk. Sorry to trouble you, of course, if you already have this. Cheers, Jerry On 4/20/2012 4:11 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Morton Feldman, For Philip Guston (Blum; Vigeland; Williams) > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,//Remains To Be Seen > (Vol. III) , /Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > /, /Mainly Black > , /Obras P?blicas > ; //The Perfection of > Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; ////The > Dance of the Red Swan ; > //Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 20:32:36 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:32:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: <4F91F378.1010705@louisiana.edu> References: <4F91F378.1010705@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: No trouble at all, Jerry. I'm always ready for further excursions into Feldman's work. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > Hal, I've been a fan of Feldman since I first encountered him in the > seventies in Buffalo. My favorite is certainly his "Rothko Chapel, but my > most recent acquisition is also lovely: _Only_, a disk of his vocal music > sung by Joan La Barbara, with the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players. > It's perhaps a little uneven (that is, its pieces are not all equally easy > to listen to), but its high points are spectacular, especially the title > track, based on a Rilke poem. Other tracks: "Voice, Violin, and Piano," > "Vertical Thoughts 5," "For Franz Kline," "Voices and Cello," and "Pianos > and Voices." "Only" is performed twice on the disk. Sorry to trouble you, > of course, if you already have this. > > Cheers, > > Jerry > > > On 4/20/2012 4:11 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Morton Feldman, For Philip Guston (Blum; Vigeland; Williams) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many of the ancient religious texts are > of course poetry, full of their own rhythms and beauty, yet > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen_baraban at yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 12:10:49 2012 From: stephen_baraban at yahoo.com (Stephen Baraban) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 References: <4F91F378.1010705@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <1335024649.75743.YahooMailNeo@web126004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There was a Buffalo performance of? "For Philip Guston" at an April 2011?weekend festival celebrating the spirit of ?Morton Feldman at the Burchfield Penney Art Center.?It was ultimately wonderful, but weirdly enough after the first minute or two, for the?next 15 minutes or so of this 4 hour+?trio for flute(s), piano(s) and percussion, I had sensations of extrene panic and incarceration as I contempated what?it would be like if I stayed for the duration.?I'm so glad I did--for one thing, because of the very radiant section toward the end that is espcially?marvelous because of all that?had to be traversed to get to that point. By the way, I once attended a Feldman concert in a Manhattan church wherein?the man's quiet music was gravely interfered with by jackhammer sounds emanating from the sidewalk outside.? ________________________________ From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 No trouble at all, Jerry. I'm always ready for further excursions into Feldman's work. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: Hal, I've been a fan of Feldman since I first encountered him in the seventies in Buffalo. My favorite is certainly his "Rothko Chapel, but my most recent acquisition is also lovely: _Only_, a disk of his vocal music sung by Joan La Barbara, with the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players. It's perhaps a little uneven (that is, its pieces are not all equally easy to listen to), but its high points are spectacular, especially the title track, based on a Rilke poem. Other tracks: "Voice, Violin, and Piano," "Vertical Thoughts 5," "For Franz Kline," "Voices and Cello," and "Pianos and Voices." "Only" is performed twice on the disk. Sorry to trouble you, of course, if you already have this. > >Cheers, > >Jerry > > >On 4/20/2012 4:11 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >Morton Feldman, For Philip Guston (Blum; Vigeland; Williams) >> >>?? ? >> >> >>Serving the tri-state area. >> >> >>Hal >>Halvard Johnson >>================ >> >>halvard at gmail.com >> >> >>On Barcelona?(submissions sought; email to my address above) >>Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ >>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ >>https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> >> >>Remains To Be Seen,?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >-- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > There was a Buffalo performance of "For Philip Guston" at an April > 2011 weekend festival celebrating the spirit of Morton Feldman at the > Burchfield Penney Art Center. It was ultimately wonderful, but weirdly > enough after the first minute or two, for the next 15 minutes or so of this > 4 hour+ trio for flute(s), piano(s) and percussion, I had sensations of > extrene panic and incarceration as I contempated what it would be like if I > stayed for the duration. I'm so glad I did--for one thing, because of the > very radiant section toward the end that is espcially marvelous because of > all that had to be traversed to get to that point. By the way, I once > attended a Feldman concert in a Manhattan church wherein the man's quiet > music was gravely interfered with by jackhammer sounds emanating from the > sidewalk outside. > > *From:* Halvard Johnson > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2012 8:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > No trouble at all, Jerry. I'm always ready for further excursions > into Feldman's work. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > > Hal, I've been a fan of Feldman since I first encountered him in the > seventies in Buffalo. My favorite is certainly his "Rothko Chapel, but my > most recent acquisition is also lovely: _Only_, a disk of his vocal music > sung by Joan La Barbara, with the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players. > It's perhaps a little uneven (that is, its pieces are not all equally easy > to listen to), but its high points are spectacular, especially the title > track, based on a Rilke poem. Other tracks: "Voice, Violin, and Piano," > "Vertical Thoughts 5," "For Franz Kline," "Voices and Cello," and "Pianos > and Voices." "Only" is performed twice on the disk. Sorry to trouble you, > of course, if you already have this. > > Cheers, > > Jerry > > > On 4/20/2012 4:11 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Morton Feldman, For Philip Guston (Blum; Vigeland; Williams) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: There was a Buffalo performance of? "For Philip Guston" at an April 2011?weekend festival celebrating the spirit of ?Morton Feldman at the Burchfield Penney Art Center.?It was ultimately wonderful, but weirdly enough after the first minute or two, for the?next 15 minutes or so of this 4 hour+?trio for flute(s), piano(s) and percussion, I had sensations of extrene panic and incarceration as I contempated what?it would be like if I stayed for the duration.?I'm so glad I did--for one thing, because of the very radiant section toward the end that is espcially?marvelous because of all that?had to be traversed to get to that point. By the way, I once attended a Feldman concert in a Manhattan church wherein?the man's quiet music was gravely interfered with by jackhammer sounds emanating from the sidewalk outside.? > > > >From: Halvard Johnson >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:32 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > >No trouble at all, Jerry. I'm always ready for further excursions >into Feldman's work. > >?? ? > > >Serving the tri-state area. > > >Hal >Halvard Johnson >================ > >halvard at gmail.com > > >On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) >Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ >http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ >https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > > >Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >Hal, I've been a fan of Feldman since I first encountered him in the seventies in Buffalo. My favorite is certainly his "Rothko Chapel, but my most recent acquisition is also lovely: _Only_, a disk of his vocal music sung by Joan La Barbara, with the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players. It's perhaps a little uneven (that is, its pieces are not all equally easy to listen to), but its high points are spectacular, especially the title track, based on a Rilke poem. Other tracks: "Voice, Violin, and Piano," "Vertical Thoughts 5," "For Franz Kline," "Voices and Cello," and "Pianos and Voices." "Only" is performed twice on the disk. Sorry to trouble you, of course, if you already have this. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Jerry >> >> >>On 4/20/2012 4:11 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>Morton Feldman, For Philip Guston (Blum; Vigeland; Williams) >>> >>>?? ? >>> >>> >>>Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> >>>Hal >>>Halvard Johnson >>>================ >>> >>>halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> >>>On Barcelona?(submissions sought; email to my address above) >>>Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ >>>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/ >>>http://www.hamiltonstone.org/ >>>https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> >>> >>>Remains To Be Seen,?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >>-- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A CELEBRATION FOR THE PUBLICATION OF JACK > GILBERT'S NEW BOOK, THE COLLECTED POEMS ALONG WITH A SELECTION OF > UNPUBLISHED WORK, WITH LINDA GREGG, GERALD STERN, JAMES FINNEGAN, HENRY > LYMAN, LARRY FELSON, TINA CHANG, AND MORE! > > Jack Gilbert, though he has published only six books in his writing long > life, is known as one of the twentieth century's preeminent American poets. > This collection is a major event. > > $7 at door. > > Medicine Show Theatre, 549 West 52nd St., 3rd Floor, New York, NY 10019 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Hospitals are a bad place to stay, you know that cheers, anny On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, bob grumman wrote: > Checking to see if I can get on although I was hospitalized for ten > days, and some e.mails to me bounced. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hospitals are a bad place to stay, you know that cheers, anny On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, bob grumman wrote: Checking to see if I can get on although I was hospitalized for ten days, and some e.mails to me bounced. ? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Get well. --- On Mon, 4/23/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: >From: Anny Ballardini >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Test >To: "NewPoetry List" >Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 3:11 PM > > >?hi Bob, what's the problem with you? >Hospitals are a bad place to stay, you know that > >cheers, anny > > >On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, bob grumman wrote: > >Checking to see if I can get on although I was hospitalized for ten days, and some e.mails to me bounced.? >>--Bob >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames To: new-poetry Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:21 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] The Full Larkin, reviewed by Paul Muldoon http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/books/review/philip-larkins-complete-poems.html Philip Larkin?s body of work is so slender and, often, so seemingly slight, so devoid of belly fat and blather, as to make Elizabeth Bishop (whom I now think of as his nearest American counterpart) look like a blimp and a bigmouth. Of the 730 pages of ?The Complete Poems,? a mere 90 are taken up by those poems Larkin saw fit to collect in his lifetime. One of the main challenges posed by this edition is that it asks us to reconcile the discrepancy between those slim 90 pages and the sprawling rest. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:59 AM, wrote: > From what I'm told, not many people buy the Sunday New York Times these > days, still it was nice > that poetry was the cover piece for the Book Review section. > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames > To: new-poetry > Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:21 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] The Full Larkin, reviewed by Paul Muldoon > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/books/review/philip-larkins-complete-poems.html > > Philip Larkin?s body of work is so slender and, often, so seemingly > slight, so devoid of belly fat and blather, as to make Elizabeth Bishop > (whom I now think of as his nearest American counterpart) look like a blimp > and a bigmouth. Of the 730 pages of ?The Complete Poems,? a mere 90 are > taken up by those poems Larkin saw fit to collect in his lifetime. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 24 10:37:32 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Message-ID: <8CEF03EEAA803D9-A58-B4DC@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> The 20-stamp pane marks the largest group of authors honored together in the history of the Postal Service. So who made the cut? Ten American poets: Elizabeth Bishop, Joseph Brodsky, Gwendolyn Brooks, ee cummings, Robert Hayden, Denise Levertov, Sylvia Plath, Theodore Roethke, Wallace Stevens and William Carlos Williams. Each stamp bears the face of a poet. And here's the best part (also another first): The back of the pane features lines of poetry from each of the honored writers. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/04/festival-of-books-postage-stamps-dedicated-to-poets-make-their-debut.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And here's the best part (also another first): The back of the pane features lines of poetry from each of the honored writers. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/04/festival-of-books-postage-stamps-dedicated-to-poets-make-their-debut.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Tue Apr 24 11:10:27 2012 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:10:27 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: References: <8CEF03EEAA803D9-A58-B4DC@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Me, too. Glad you are feeling better, Bob! From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:55:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Hey, good, I got this post! I hope the Stamp spells Cummings?s name correctly?the way he spelled it. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:37 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released The 20-stamp pane marks the largest group of authors honored together in the history of the Postal Service. So who made the cut? Ten American poets: Elizabeth Bishop, Joseph Brodsky, Gwendolyn Brooks, ee cummings, Robert Hayden, Denise Levertov, Sylvia Plath, Theodore Roethke, Wallace Stevens and William Carlos Williams. Each stamp bears the face of a poet. And here's the best part (also another first): The back of the pane features lines of poetry from each of the honored writers.http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/04/festival-of-books-postage-stamps-dedicated-to-poets-make-their-debut.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 24 11:13:25 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Quick Said the Bird Message-ID: <8CEF043EE4029D5-1D2C-65E43@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> When William Carlos Williams said, ?It?s all in / the sound,? when T. S. Eliot hailed the invigorating force of the ?auditory imagination,? or when Marianne Moore applauded ?the clatter and true sound? of Williams?s verse, each poet invoked the dimension that bound them together. In Quick, Said the Bird, Richard Swigg makes the case for acoustics as the basis of the linkages, kinships, and inter-illuminations of a major twentieth-century literary relationship. Outsiders in their home terrain who nevertheless continued to reach back to their own American vocal identities, Williams, Eliot, and Moore embody a unique lineage that can be traced from their first significant works (1909?1918) to the 1960s. In reconstructing the auditory dimension in the work of the three poets, Quick, Said the Bird does not neglect the visual text. Whether in the form of Moore?s quirky patternings, Eliot?s expandable verse-frames, or Williams?s springy stanzas, the printed shape on the page is here brought together with the spoken word in vital interplay: the eye-read text cut against by sequential utterance in a restoration of the poetry?s full effect. By seeing and hearing the verse at the same moment?together with reading side-by-side discussions of the quarrels, friendships, mutual borrowings, and shared energies of Williams, Eliot, and Moore?the reader gains a remarkable new understanding of their individual achievements. By sound and sight, Quick, Said the Bird takes the reader straight into the physical textures of the finest works by three outstanding figures of twentieth-century American poetry. http://www.uiowapress.org/books/2012-spring/quick-said-bird.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 24 11:17:44 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Message-ID: <8CEF0448879C1F3-1D2C-65F3F@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 11:10 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Me, too. Glad you are feeling better, Bob! From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:55:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Hey, good, I got this post! I hope the Stamp spells Cummings?s name correctly?the way he spelled it. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:37 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released The 20-stamp pane marks the largest group of authors honored together in the history of the Postal Service. So who made the cut? Ten American poets: Elizabeth Bishop, Joseph Brodsky, Gwendolyn Brooks, ee cummings, Robert Hayden, Denise Levertov, Sylvia Plath, Theodore Roethke, Wallace Stevens and William Carlos Williams. Each stamp bears the face of a poet. And here's the best part (also another first): The back of the pane features lines of poetry from each of the honored writers. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/04/festival-of-books-postage-stamps-dedicated-to-poets-make-their-debut.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 24 12:10:54 2012 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:10:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: <8CEF0448879C1F3-1D2C-65F3F@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEF0448879C1F3-1D2C-65F3F@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B060ADC86CF487B81EFB5B7517C26EF@BobHP> I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 13:41:01 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Message-ID: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems????? ? why ignore a long and illustrious tradition? ? for those?with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene? ? ... Pound ... Plath... Clare ... & so forth & so on ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? . --- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 12:10 PM ? I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. ? Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. ? I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan ? Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Tue Apr 24 13:44:57 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:44:57 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:41 AM, stephen russell wrote: > > why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems? That there is still such a stigma associated with mental illness really, to put it in technical terms, sucks. And btw, Bob, mental illness absolutely can manifest itself as silence. Sometimes permanently. c From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:18:26 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released Message-ID: <1335295106.20243.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> & rather than suffer in silence when the insufferable is more fun, I could also say ? for those of us with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene. ? ?... I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore ... ? from Network. --- On Tue, 4/24/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 1:41 PM why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems????? ? why ignore a long and illustrious tradition? ? for those?with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene? ? ... Pound ... Plath... Clare ... & so forth & so on ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? . --- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 12:10 PM ? I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. ? Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. ? I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan ? Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From chris at chrislott.org Tue Apr 24 15:30:13 2012 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:30:13 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: References: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:19 AM, bob grumman wrote: > > > Yes, Chris, but my particular New-Poetry mental illness has always been > criticized for its loudness. I have a hard time joking about this issue. But I do agree that you know how to be loud... c From rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:29:52 2012 From: rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com (Rufus Canterbury) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335289261.86707.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335295792.63001.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> you feeling o.k., Steve? you haven't been looking so well? ________________________________ From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems????? ? why ignore a long and illustrious tradition? for those?with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene? ? ... Pound ... Plath... Clare ... & so forth & so on ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? .--- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: >From: bob grumman >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released >To: "NewPoetry List" >Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 12:10 PM > > > >I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. >? >Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. >? >I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature.Finnegan > >Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? >? >--Bob >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:44:24 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: <1335295792.63001.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335296664.64848.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm mad as hell, Rufus. & they're mad at me in hell, Rufus. the entire neighborhood has gone to hell. Do you remember, back in the day, the not so bad hell, Rufus? ? Do you? --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: From: Rufus Canterbury Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:29 PM you feeling o.k., Steve? you haven't been looking so well? From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems????? ? why ignore a long and illustrious tradition? ? for those?with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene? ? ... Pound ... Plath... Clare ... & so forth & so on ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? . --- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 12:10 PM ? I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. ? Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. ? I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan ? Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry_______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:46:45 2012 From: rufuscanterbury at yahoo.com (Rufus Canterbury) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: <1335296664.64848.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335295792.63001.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1335296664.64848.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335296805.22485.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> don't sweat it, son. i have just the thing for you. ________________________________ From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released I'm mad as hell, Rufus. & they're mad at me in hell, Rufus. the entire neighborhood has gone to hell. Do you remember, back in the day, the not so bad hell, Rufus? Do you?--- On Tue, 4/24/12, Rufus Canterbury wrote: >From: Rufus Canterbury >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released >To: "NewPoetry List" >Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:29 PM > > >you feeling o.k., Steve? >you haven't been looking so well? > >________________________________ >From: stephen russell >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released > >why be shy about?assumed or real?mental health?problems????? >? >why ignore a long and illustrious tradition? > >for those?with dubious mental health, why not say to hell with mental hygiene? >? >... Pound ... Plath... Clare ... & so forth & so on ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? . --- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: > >>From: bob grumman >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released >>To: "NewPoetry List" >>Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 12:10 PM >> >> >> >>I'm glad you're doing better too, Bob. >>? >>Thanks, Finnegan?and Sheila. >>? >>I note that most people on the list assumed your health problems were physical in nature. Finnegan >> >>Well, Sure?otherwise would those problems have manifested themselves in silence? >>? >>--Bob >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:52:25 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1335297145.66397.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> New-Poetry mental illness -- ? finally, a diagnosis. --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Chris Lott wrote: From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:30 PM On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:19 AM, bob grumman wrote: > > > Yes, Chris, but my particular New-Poetry mental illness has always been > criticized for its loudness. I have a hard time joking about this issue. But I do agree that you know how to be loud... c _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:58:41 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1335297521.35533.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> And btw, Bob, mental illness absolutely can manifest itself as silence. Sometimes permanently. ?Too true ... frightening and true ... --- On Tue, 4/24/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:19 PM ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lott Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:44 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] American poet stamps released ? On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:41 AM, stephen russell wrote: > > why be shy about assumed or real mental health problems? ? That there is still such a stigma associated with mental illness really, to put it in technical terms, sucks. ? And btw, Bob, mental illness absolutely can manifest itself as silence. Sometimes permanently. ? c ? Yes, Chris, but my particular New-Poetry mental illness has always been criticized for its loudness. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Segal Theatre Lost & Found Launch with Joanne Kyger and Michael Rumaker Come celebrate the publication of Series III of Lost & Found: The CUNY Poetics Document Initiative, & hear the editors present their projects: Anne Donlon?s work on "Langston Hughes, Nancy Cunard & Louise Thompson: Poetry, Politics & Friendship in the Spanish Civil War" John Harkey?s facsimile edition of Lorine Niedecker?s "Homemade Poems" Seth Stewart's recovery of the John Wieners / Charles Olson Correspondence Ana Bo?i?evi??s presentation of a Diane di Prima Lecture on Charles Olson Lindsey Freer?s transcription and annotation of lectures by Ed Dorn Megan Paslawski?s edition of Michael Rumaker?s "Selected Letters" Ammiel Alcalay?s edition of "Letters To & From Joanne Kyger" Join poet Joanne Kyger for a rare East Coast appearance, as she reads with her old friend, prose writer and former Black Mountain College student Michael Rumaker, Ammiel Alcalay and the Lost & Found editors. *Series III will be available for purchase, along with two free broadsides printed especially for the event.* At The Graduate Center, CUNY 365 Fifth Ave and 34th St New York, NY 10016 Venue fully accessible http://centerforthehumanities.org/lost-and-found/events/Lost-Found-Launch ======================================== You are subscribed to the POETRY-l List with e-mail address jforjames at AOL.COM To unsubscribe at any time, please follow these UNSUBSCRIBE instructions: Send any email (subject and text are ignored) to POETRY-l-SIGNOFF-REQUEST at GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU or click here: https://gc.listserv.cuny.edu/scriptsgc/wa-gc.exe?SUBED1=POETRY-l&A=1&s=jforjames at AOL.COM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 92nd Street Y's VirtualPoetry Centeris a resource created exclusively for educators and students to enhance theoverall classroom experience through webcasts of recent Poetry Centerevents, as well as highlights from an extraordinary archive featuring the bestwriters of the last 75 years. These webcasts and recordings will be a uniquesupplement to in-classroom and independent studies of classic and contemporaryliterature. Please feel free to share the website (www.92Y.org/VPC) with your students and colleagues! You are welcome to include the Virtual Poetry Centeron syllabi as well. We have 140+ audio and video recordings available and areadding new ones every month. Available recordings include Truman Capote, WilliamCarlos Williams, Leonard Cohen, Adrienne Rich, Allen Ginsberg, Chinua Achebe,Tennessee Williams, Doris Lessing and Kurt Vonnegut. Please letme know if you have any questions. 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NYC Admission: $10, includes light refreshments Ph: 212.452.9816 Publication: AT THE CROSSROADS Waving her pamphlets with the zeal of a sergeant, a Watchtower woman in the Times Square station roars above the break dancers? din at the troops geared for rush-hour battle. ?Fighting and killing among all nationalities!? ?Right here in the U. S.,? she warns. But the ear-plugged army in its mad dash to the front lines heeds only the call of an oncoming train. (Token Entry: New York City Subway Poems) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two such "rules"-which have been beautifully and routinely violated by writers from Shakespeare to Hemingway-are the prohibitions against split infinitives and ending a sentence with a preposition: "The first prohibition against the split infinitive occurs in an 1834 article by an author identified only as 'P.' After that, increasingly over the course of the nineteenth century, a 'rule' banning split infinitives began ricocheting from grammar book to grammar book, until every self-conscious English-speaker 'knew' that to put a word between 'to' and a verb in its infinitive was barbaric. "The split-infinitive rule may represent mindless prescriptivism's greatest height. It was foreign. (It was almost certainty based on the inability to split infinitives in Latin and Greek, since they consist of one word only.) It had been routinely violated by the great writers in English; one 1931 study found split infinitives in English literature from every century, beginning with the fourteenth-century epic poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, through wrongdoers such as William Tyndale, Oliver Cromwell, Samuel Pepys, Daniel Defoe, John Donne, Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Johnson, Edmund Burke, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, and others. "Rewording split infinitives can introduce ambiguity: 'He failed entirely to comprehend it' can mean he failed entirely, or he comprehended, but not entirely. Only putting 'entirely' between 'to' and 'comprehend' can convey clearly 'he comprehended most, but not all.' True, sentences can be reworded to work around the problem ('He failed to comprehend everything'), but there is no reason to do so. While many prescriptive rules falsely claim to improve readability and clarity, this one is worse, introducing a problem that wasn't there in the first place. Yet as split infinitives in fact became more common in nineteenth-century writing, condemnations of it grew equally strongly. The idea that 'rules' were more important than history, elegance, or actual practice ... held writers and speakers in terror of making them. ... "Why is it 'wrong' to end a sentence with a preposition? ... Who, upon seeing a cake in the office break room, says, 'For whom is this cake?' instead of 'Who's the cake for?' Where did this rule come from? "The answer will surprise even most English teachers: John Dryden, the seventeenth-century poet less well known as an early, influential stickler. In a 1672 essay, he criticized his literary predecessor Ben Jonson for writing 'The bodies that these souls were frightened from.' Why the prepositional bee in Dryden's syntactical bonnet? This pseudo-rule probably springs from the same source many others do: the classical languages. Dryden said he liked to compose in Latin and translate into English, as he valued the precision and clarity he believed Latin required of writers. The preposition-final construction is impossible in Latin. Hence: it is impossible in English. Confused by his logic? Linguists remain so to this day. But once Dryden proclaimed the rule, it made its way into the first generation of English usage books roughly a century later and thence into the minds of two hundred years of English teachers and copy editors. "The rule has no basis in clarity ('Who's that cake for?' is perfectly clear); history (it was made up from whole cloth); literary tradition (Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Samuel Johnson, Lord Byron, Henry Adams, Lewis Carroll, James Joyce, and dozens of other great writers have violated it); or purity (it isn't native to English but probably stolen from Latin; clause-final prepositions exist in English's cousin languages such as Danish and Icelandic). Many people know that the Dryden rule is nonsense. From the great usage-book writer Henry Fowler in the early twentieth century, usage experts began to caution readers to ignore it. The New York Times flouts it. The 'rule' should be put to death, but it may never be. Even those who know it is ridiculous observe it for fear of annoying others." Author: Robert Lane Greene Title: You Are What You Speak Publisher: Delacorte Press Date: Copyright 2011 by Robert Lane Greene Pages: 33-34, 24-25 You Are What You Speak: Grammar Grouches, Language Laws, and the Politics of Identity by Robert Lane Greene by Delacorte Press Hardcover ~ Release Date: 2011-03-08 If you wish to read further: Buy Now If you use the above link to purchase a book, delanceyplace proceeds from your purchase will benefit a children's literacy project. All delanceyplace profits are donated to charity. About Us Delanceyplace is a brief daily email with an excerpt or quote we view as interesting or noteworthy, offered with commentary to provide context. There is no theme, except that most excerpts will come from a non-fiction work, mainly works of history, are occasionally controversial, and we hope will have a more universal relevance than simply the subject of the book from which they came. 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Apr 26 09:45:43 2012 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:45:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: delanceyplace.com 4/26/12 - inappropriate grammar rules In-Reply-To: <8CEF1C5B0DB5722-1CAC-BF7@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <1109839621051.1101151826392.84213.5.27033001@scheduler> <8CEF1C5B0DB5722-1CAC-BF7@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F995187.8010704@louisiana.edu> On the article about split infinitives and ending sentences with prepositions, especially its last sentence: "Even those who know it is ridiculous observe it for fear of annoying others." This puts me in mind of an exchange I had with Barbara Johnson once--she was running an evening literary-theory discussion at Harvard, and I was sitting in. Somehow the discussion got to the "universal" (or "ungendered") "he," as in "everyone had his drink in hand." We were talking about the grammatical predicament of having to refer to the mixture of gendered individuals in a crowd as so many "he's," and noted the inadequacy of stringing out (in a complex sentence) a bunch of "his and/or hers," or such formations. When I asked if anyone had a neat solution, Johnson immediately said, "their" (as in "Everyone had their drink in hand"). This didn't offend her at all, but it jarred my sense of . . . something. Similarly, I don't think you can just attribute resistance to splitting infinitives or ending sentences with prepositions to "fear of annoying others." It's annoying oneself that matters here, I think. The article makes the logical absurdity of these rules perfectly clear, but it doesn't say anything about their staying power, or the sources of their appeal beyond a kind of stupid snobbery--which I don't think answers the whole question. With hopes that someone is able to really, truly, finally tell me what they think this is completely, absolutely, irrefutably about, Jerry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 26 12:03:40 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogger help? Message-ID: <8CEF1DD47E74A28-1CAC-244B@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> If anyone on this list has some expertise with Goggle's Blogger/blogspot, please b/c me. I need help getting into the code that shows my many blog links listed. The CONFIGURE LINK LIST utility isn't working, so I can't add/delete/update the link list. Blogger isn't doing anything fix the glitch, even though many others on the Blogger Help blog seem to have the problem. 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Camilo Rold?n is a poet and translator living in New York City and co-curates the monthly Triptych Reading Series at The 11th Street Bar in Manhattan. He is the author of a chapbook of translations, Am?lkar U., Nada?sta in Translation (These Signals Press, 2011) and his poems have appeared in various journals, including Leveler, Lungfull! and Pank. Ted Dodson is the co-founder and editor of the filmed journal, On the Escape, a curator for the Triptych Reading Series, and is an editor and the special projects coordinator for Futurepoem. Select publication can be found in Tim, SET, On the Escape, la fovea, The Image Project, Onesies, and Interrobang. He is from Middleburg, VA and resides in Brooklyn, NY. Krystal Languell is the author of the poetry collection Call the Catastrophists (BlazeVox, 2011). Her work has appeared in Denver Quarterly, Fairy Tale Review, and DIAGRAM among other journals. Founder of the feminist literary magazine Bone Bouquet, she is also a collaborative board member for the Belladonna* Collaborative in Brooklyn.? KGB Bar -? http://www.kgbbar.com/ 85 E. 4th Street 2nd Floor New York, NY 10003 (Between Bowery and Second Ave.) ~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 26 17:06:28 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] portraits of american poets Message-ID: <8CEF2079499FD67-13B0-45A5@webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com> http://www.jackrichardsmith.com/work/portraits-of-american-poets/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seamascain at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:29:38 2012 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:29:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Conference paper/presentation Message-ID: Dear friends at NEW POETRY, I have been invited to do a paper and presentation on "The New Wave of Innovative Writers in Ireland" at a Conference in July on the campus of the University of California in Berkeley. I would like to be inclusive and participatory with any possible writers for my report. And I will have a section in my report for "The Irish Diaspora" and want to include a few Irish-Americans, Irish-Australians, Irish-Argentinians ... as long as they are INNOVATIVE writers. So, if you fit this description ... Please send me, as soon as possible (I do have a deadline next week) ... 1.) two or three sentences describing your philosophy of writing, and your sense of method(s) in writing; 2.) a list of titles of your publications and/or performances. Please include the name of publisher, place of publication, and date of publication for each title; 3.) two or three URLs where your work(s) can be purchased. Thank you. I suspect that this effort will bring a lot of attention to INNOVATIVE writers in Ireland! Please circulate this message to any other writer you know in Ireland or the Irish Diaspora you think should be included and ask them to e-mail me directly as soon as possible with the answers to 1 : 2 : 3 : above! Best regards, S?amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain-writernetwork.org _____________________________ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 16:33:56 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:33:56 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogger help? In-Reply-To: <8CEF1DD47E74A28-1CAC-244B@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEF1DD47E74A28-1CAC-244B@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I think Michael Snider is good at Blogging and everything, am I right? On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM, wrote: > If anyone on this list has some expertise with Goggle's Blogger/blogspot, > please b/c me. I need help getting into the code that shows my many blog > links listed. The CONFIGURE LINK LIST utility isn't working, so I can't > add/delete/update the link list. Blogger isn't doing anything fix the > glitch, even though many others on the Blogger Help blog seem to have the > problem. So I need to be able to find where these links reside within the > code, then go into the code, make changes and save changes. > > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > > Jim F > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I think Michael Snider is good at Blogging and everything, am I right? > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM, wrote: > >> If anyone on this list has some expertise with Goggle's Blogger/blogspot, >> please b/c me. I need help getting into the code that shows my many blog >> links listed. The CONFIGURE LINK LIST utility isn't working, so I can't >> add/delete/update the link list. Blogger isn't doing anything fix the >> glitch, even though many others on the Blogger Help blog seem to have the >> problem. So I need to be able to find where these links reside within the >> code, then go into the code, make changes and save changes. >> >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> >> Jim F >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Fri Apr 27 16:25:24 2012 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:25:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jack Smith's Portraits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear James: Was pleased to see your posted URL to Jack Smith's terrific series of poet portraits (I'm happy to be among them). My friend Dan Gerber reports that the note there about the whole series being up for sale is out of date. Dan writes: "The paintings were bought by a foundation as a gift for Grand Valley State University and are hanging in a gallery in the downtown Grand Rapids campus. I was there for the official installation last fall. They're talking about adding a new poet portrait each year." best, Barry From ahadada at gol.com Sat Apr 28 00:09:15 2012 From: ahadada at gol.com (ahadada at gol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:09:15 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Splits Message-ID: <57hPmgJN.1335586155.1450610.ahadada@gol.com> Infinitives were made to split be. From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 28 01:18:59 2012 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:18:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogger help? In-Reply-To: References: <8CEF1DD47E74A28-1CAC-244B@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use Wordpress - I'm not really familiar with Blogger. Annie and Hal, I think I'm flattered by both your posts. Which probably means I've had too much to drink after a 3 hour gig playing mandolin in my girlfriend's band. Now, she can really do almost everything. She writes almost all the music, plays 9 instruments in the band (she actually plays well about 20), and teaches music for a living. www.mikesnider.org On Apr 27, 2012, at 17:13, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Nobody's good at everything, not even Snider. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I think Michael Snider is good at Blogging and everything, am I right? > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM, wrote: > If anyone on this list has some expertise with Goggle's Blogger/blogspot, please b/c me. I need help getting into the code that shows my many blog links listed. The CONFIGURE LINK LIST utility isn't working, so I can't add/delete/update the link list. Blogger isn't doing anything fix the glitch, even though many others on the Blogger Help blog seem to have the problem. So I need to be able to find where these links reside within the code, then go into the code, make changes and save changes. > > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > > Jim F > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 28 11:00:48 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jack Smith's Portraits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEF366D45E7A23-458-10247@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com> Barry, Very cool. I noticed your portrait and hoped you'd see the link I sent. It's great that the series was kept together and is on display. Somehow this wonderful set of portraits escaped my attention before a few days ago when I was looking for images of Jack Gilbert (also one of the portraits). I may have asked this before but in Santa Barbara have you run into my friends Kurt Brown and Laure-Anne Bosselaar, poets who moved there a few years ago? I've been hoping to visit them sometime but it hasn't worked out. Take care, Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Barry Spacks To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jack Smith's Portraits Dear James: Was pleased to see your posted URL to Jack Smith's terrific series of poet portraits (I'm happy to be among them). My friend Dan Gerber reports that the note there about the whole series being up for sale is out of date. Dan writes: "The paintings were bought by a foundation as a gift for Grand Valley State University and are hanging in a gallery in the downtown Grand Rapids campus. I was there for the official installation last fall. They're talking about adding a new poet portrait each year." best, Barry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Apr 28 11:26:40 2012 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:26:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] a beautiful review of a book by Juan Gelman Message-ID: <572542.1335626800862.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> https://jacket2.org/reviews/between-words-juan-gelmans-public-letter. Heart-breaking. From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 28 12:23:13 2012 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Alexander Neubauer's POETRY IN PERSON and Amy Clampitt's "Black Buttercups" In-Reply-To: <2.1.5.1100038319.1110403653.1009679917764@information.randomhouse.com> References: <2.1.5.1100038319.1110403653.1009679917764@information.randomhouse.com> Message-ID: <8CEF3725827561E-2324-B6B8@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Never heard of this book before today...video about its making here: http://alexanderneubauer.com/ Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Knopf Poetry To: jforjames Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33 am Subject: Alexander Neubauer's POETRY IN PERSON and Amy Clampitt's "Black Buttercups" POEM-A-DAY | TUMBLR | TWITTER | FACEBOOK | YOUTUBE In Alexander Neubauer's Poetry in Person, we are treated to a series of remarkable conversations that were recorded in the classroom of the legendary New School poetry teacher Pearl London, from the early 1970s through the mid-1990s - a time when a significant generation came of age in American poetry. Among the many visitors to her class (whom London asked to bring drafts of poems in progress, so that her students could learn about the nitty-gritty of creation and revision) were Lucille Clifton, Robert Pinsky, Paul Muldoon, Derek Walcott, Louise Gl?ck, Charles Simic, and Galway Kinnell. In the chapter excerpted below, we hear London talking with Amy Clampitt, who came to the classroom in February of 1983, right at the time of her late-in-life d?but with The Kingfisher. She was sixty-three when it was published (and hailed by Helen Vendler in The New Yorker). The poem under discussion here is "Black Buttercups," which would appear i n Clampitt's second book, What the Light Was Like. (The full text of the poem follows the conversation.) PEARL LONDON: Let me say that, first, I'm so delighted, because we've all been wondering who Amy Clampitt is and what she looks like, and now we have you with us. Tell us about the metaphor of "Black Buttercups." Are there really "black buttercups that never see daylight"? AMY CLAMPITT: No. [Laughter] I'm very happy to talk about this poem because I think perhaps this poem has been longer in the making than almost anything I've ever finished. In various forms I was trying to write about what for strange reasons was for me a very traumatic experience? it sounds simple enough, moving from one house to another. But in the process of thinking about that experience, I suppose I began going back into something that went deeper. I'm not being psychoanalytical, but the metaphor of the black buttercups has to do with unfulfilled possibilities. I suppose we all know about such things in our own background and among our own families, among friends: about the experience of being moved from one place to another?"uprooted," as it were? at the age of not quite ten.? One problem I ran into in writing this poem? I was going to describe an idyllic place I was forced to leave, but the fact is, although it was an idyllic place in my memory, there's also a place where I discovered a lot of nonidyllic things. So have you got a poem there anymore? I don't know. That's one reason why it took me a long time to write this, because it turns out that when I started thinking about the years I spent in that house, which was the earliest house I remembered, I had to acknowledge that there were many things that were anything but idyllic. So I suppose that's kind of the central core of the poem? there are these contradictions and there is this sense of things that went wrong that were never acknowledged. So that's the black buttercups really. LONDON: In "Black Buttercups" you ask, "When / . . . did the rumor / of unhappiness arrive?" And then we know that there's that whole sense of menace and there is no safety? menace in the water, menace where the bull is in the pasture, and menace walking in that graveyard, I think it was. But that one understands in childhood. What was difficult to grasp for us were some of the particulars. Let me read you these lines and see if you can comment for us: "The look of exile / foreseen, however massive or inconsequential, / hurts the same; it's the remembered / particulars that differ." [reads] How is one to measure the loss of two blue spruces, a waterfall of bridal wreath below the porch, the bluebells and Dutchman's-breeches my grandmother had brought in from the timber to bloom in the same plot with peonies and lilies of the valley? Or out past the pasture where the bull, perennially resentful, stood for the menace of authority (no leering, no snickering in class), an orchard?or a grove of willows at the far edge of the wet meadow marking the verge, the western barrier of everything experience had verified? CLAMPITT: That whole catalog is really things that? I could go on forever. Part of the difficulty of writing that poem was to narrow down all of the things that I remembered, and they're mostly growing things. My earliest memories were flowers, and it seems as though the pleasure I found in being a child had to do with spring arriving and finding things in bloom, and when you're a child, of course, it seems like a thousand years since the last spring; you don't believe it'll ever arrive again. So they tended to gather around things that bloom; that's what I meant. _____________________________ Black Buttercups In March, the farmer's month for packing up and moving on, the rutted mud potholed with glare, the verb to move connoted nothing natural, such as the shifting of the course of streams or of the sun's position, sap moving up, or even couples dancing. What the stripped root, exhumed above the mudhole's brittle skin, discerned was exile. Exile to raw clapboard, a privy out in back, a smokehouse built by the pioneers, no shade trees but a huddle of red cedars, exposure on the highest elevation in the township, a gangling windmill harped on by each indisposition of the weather, the mildewed gurgle of a cistern humped underneath it like a burial. Menace inhabited that water when the pioneers, ending their trek from North Carolina, farther than Ur of the Chaldees had been from Canaan, settled here and tried to root themselves: four of the family struck down on this farm as its first growing season ended. Menace still waited, literally around the corner, in the graveyard of a country church, its back against the timber just where the terrain began to drop (the creek down there had for a while powered a sawmill, but now ran free, unencumbered, useless)? that not-to-be-avoided plot whose honed stones' fixed stare, fanned in the night by passing headlights, struck back the rueful semaphore: There is no safety. I was ten years old. Not three miles by the road that ran among the farms (still less if you could have flown, or, just as unthinkable, struck out across country, unimpeded by barbed wire or the mire of feedlots) the legendary habitat of safety lay contained: the memory of the seedleaf in the bean, the blind hand along the bannister, the virgin sheath of having lived nowhere but here. Back there in the dining room, last summer's nine-year-old sat crying on the window seat that looked into the garden, rain coursing the pane in streams, the crying on the other side and it one element?and sits there still, still crying, knowing for the first time forever what it was to be heartbroken. The look of exile foreseen, however massive or inconsequential, hurts the same; it's the remembered particulars that differ. How is one to measure the loss of two blue spruces, a waterfall of bridal wreath below the porch, the bluebells and Dutchman's-breeches my grandmother had brought in from the timber to bloom in the same plot with peonies and lilies of the valley? Or, out past the pasture where the bull, perennially resentful, stood for the menace of authority (no leering, no snickering in class), an orchard?or a grove of willows at the far edge of the wet meadow marking the verge, the western barrier of everything experience had verified? We never thought of going there except in February, when the sap first started working up the pussywillow wands, the catkins pink underneath a down of eldritch silver like the new pigs whose birthing coincided, shedding their crisp cupolas' detritus on the debris of foundering snowbanks brittle as the skin of standing ponds we trod on in the meadow, a gauche travesty of calamity like so many entertainments? the nuptial porcelain, the heirloom crystal vandalized by wanton overshoes, bundled- up boredom lolling, while the blue world reeled up past the pussywillow undersides of clouds latticed by swigging catkins soon to haze with pollen-bloat, a glut run riot while the broken pond unsealed, turned to mud and, pullulating, came up buttercups lucent with a mindlessness as total as the romp that ends up wet-mittened, chap-cheeked, fretful beside the kitchen stove, later to roughhouse or whine its way upstairs to bed. Night froze it up again for the ten thousandth time, closing the seals above the breeding ground of frogs, the Acheron of dreadful disappointed Eros stirring up hell?the tics, the shame, the pathological ambition, anxiety so thick sometimes that nothing breeds there except more anxiety, hampering yet another generation, all the sodden anniversaries of dread: black buttercups that never see daylight or with lucent chalices drink of the sun. Did we then hear them moving wounded from room to room? Or in what shape was it we first perceived it?the unstanched hereditary thing, working its way along the hollows of the marrow, the worry taking root within like ragweed, the noxious pollen flowering into nothing but sick headaches passed down like an heirloom? When, under the same roof the memory of a legendary comfort had endowed with what in retrospect would seem like safety, did the rumor of unhappiness arrive? I remember waking, a February morning leprous with frost above the dregs of a halfhearted snowfall, to find the gray world of adulthood everywhere, as though there never had been any other, in that same house I could not bear to leave, where even now the child who wept to leave still sits weeping at the thought of exile. More on this poem and author: Click here to learn more about Alexander Neubauer's Poetry in Person and Amy Clampitt's Selected Poems, edited by Mary Jo Salter. Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. Join the celebration at our Poem-a-Day Tumblr and learn how you can submit your own poems. Buy the Book Excerpt from POETRY IN PERSON ? 2010 by Alexander Neubauer. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. 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Charles Mingus was born 90 years ago, and this year we are planning a special evening of music with this in mind. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 13:25:17 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus Awareness Project Concert Message-ID: <1335633917.44367.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mingus admired Joni Mitchell. He made a recording with her that featured Jaco Pastorius, perhaps the greatest electric bass player of his time, if not, of all time.? --- On Sat, 4/28/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus Awareness Project Concert To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:50 PM http://www.borderbend.org/5/post/2012/04/mingus-awareness-project-concert-at-fitzgeralds.html On May 17, a group of musicians will gather at Fitzgerald?s to celebrate the life and music of Charles Mingus, and to benefit the Les Turner ALS Foundation. Mingus, an American musical hero who died of ALS, is one of the greatest figures in jazz history. His bass playing, compositions and philosophy have transcended his genre and left indelible marks on music history.? Nine Mingus Awareness Project concerts have happened in Chicago and Richmond, Virginia since 2007. Charles Mingus was born 90 years ago, and this year we are planning a special evening of music with this in mind.??? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 13:32:07 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus Awareness Project Concert In-Reply-To: <1335633917.44367.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335634327.18554.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... as for Pastorius, it's a tragic story: By 1986, Pastorius' health had further deteriorated. He had been evicted from his New York apartment and had begun living on the streets.[22]?In July 1986, following intervention by his then ex-wife Ingrid with the help of his brother Gregory, he was admitted to?Bellevue Hospital?in New York, where he was prescribed?Tegretol?in preference to lithium.[21]?He moved back to Fort Lauderdale in December of that year, again living on the streets for weeks at a time.[22][edit]DeathAfter sneaking onstage at a?Carlos Santana?concert on September 11, 1987, and being ejected from the premises, Pastorius made his way to the Midnight Bottle Club in?Wilton Manors, Florida.[23]After reportedly kicking in a glass door after being refused entrance to the club, he was engaged in a violent confrontation with the club?bouncer, Luc Havan.[24]?Pastorius was hospitalized for multiple facial fractures and injuries to his right eye and left arm. He fell into a coma and was put on?life support.[citation needed]--- On Sat, 4/28/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mingus Awareness Project Concert To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012, 1:25 PM Mingus admired Joni Mitchell. He made a recording with her that featured Jaco Pastorius, perhaps the greatest electric bass player of his time, if not, of all time.? --- On Sat, 4/28/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus Awareness Project Concert To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:50 PM http://www.borderbend.org/5/post/2012/04/mingus-awareness-project-concert-at-fitzgeralds.html On May 17, a group of musicians will gather at Fitzgerald?s to celebrate the life and music of Charles Mingus, and to benefit the Les Turner ALS Foundation. Mingus, an American musical hero who died of ALS, is one of the greatest figures in jazz history. His bass playing, compositions and philosophy have transcended his genre and left indelible marks on music history.? Nine Mingus Awareness Project concerts have happened in Chicago and Richmond, Virginia since 2007. Charles Mingus was born 90 years ago, and this year we are planning a special evening of music with this in mind.??? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 16:22:09 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:22:09 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jack Smith's Portraits In-Reply-To: <8CEF366D45E7A23-458-10247@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEF366D45E7A23-458-10247@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, here is Barry Spack: http://www.jackrichardsmith.com/work/portraits-of-american-poets/poets-gallery/#barry-spack On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM, wrote: > Barry, > Very cool. I noticed your portrait and hoped you'd see the link I sent. > It's great that the series was kept > together and is on display. Somehow this wonderful set of portraits escaped > my attention before a few > days ago when I was looking for images of Jack Gilbert (also one of the > portraits). > > I may have asked this before but in Santa Barbara have you run into my > friends Kurt Brown and Laure-Anne Bosselaar, > poets who moved there a few years ago? I've been hoping to visit them > sometime but it hasn't worked out. > > Take care, > Jim Finnegan > 860-508-2810 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Spacks > To: new-poetry > Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:28 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jack Smith's Portraits > > Dear James: > > Was pleased to see your posted URL to Jack Smith's > terrific series of poet portraits (I'm happy to be among them). > > My friend Dan Gerber reports that the note there > about the whole series being up for sale is out of > date. Dan writes: > > "The paintings were bought by a foundation as a gift > for Grand Valley State University and are hanging in a gallery > in the downtown Grand Rapids campus. I was there for the > official installation last fall. They're talking about adding a > new poet portrait each year." > > best, > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For a technical reason of tactics. Tyrtaeus?s elegies, composed in a clearly accentuated archaic rhythm, lend themselves beautifully to marching songs and make for a stricter unity of movement in the Spartan phalanx. Thus a technical item of the art of poetry turned out to be important in the art of warfare. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 12:35:17 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:35:17 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges Message-ID: *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* **** p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that we delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 13:02:56 2012 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:02:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can't step into the same poem twice (or even once, sometimes). Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* > > > **** > p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that we > delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is > repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the > memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. > Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every > time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 13:16:54 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:16:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: p.14 - Thus, the language is shifting; the Latins knew all about that. And the reader is shifting also. This brings us back to the old metaphor of the Greeks?the metaphor, or rather the truth, about no man stepping twice into the same river. And there is, I think, an element of fear here. At first we are apt to think of the river as _owing. We think, ?Of course, the river goes on but the water is changing.? Then, with an emerging sense of awe, we feel that we too are changing?that we are as shifting and evanescent as the river is. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > You can't step into the same poem twice (or even > once, sometimes). > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* >> >> >> **** >> p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that we >> delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is >> repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the >> memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. >> Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every >> time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 13:44:10 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:44:10 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quite in harmony with a Buddhist outlook. - Jim p.s. - @Hal: And it's easy to know when you can step in barefoot, or when you'll need boots. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > p.14 - > Thus, the language is shifting; the Latins knew all > about that. And the reader is shifting also. This brings > us back to the old metaphor of the Greeks?the metaphor, > or rather the truth, about no man stepping twice > into the same river. And there is, I think, an element of > fear here. At first we are apt to think of the river as > _owing. We think, ?Of course, the river goes on but > the water is changing.? Then, with an emerging sense > of awe, we feel that we too are changing?that we are > as shifting and evanescent as the river is. > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> You can't step into the same poem twice (or even >> once, sometimes). >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* >>> >>> >>> **** >>> p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that >>> we delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is >>> repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the >>> memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. >>> Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every >>> time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > p.14 - > Thus, the language is shifting; the Latins knew all > about that. And the reader is shifting also. This brings > us back to the old metaphor of the Greeks?the metaphor, > or rather the truth, about no man stepping twice > into the same river. And there is, I think, an element of > fear here. At first we are apt to think of the river as > _owing. We think, ?Of course, the river goes on but > the water is changing.? Then, with an emerging sense > of awe, we feel that we too are changing?that we are > as shifting and evanescent as the river is. > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> You can't step into the same poem twice (or even >> once, sometimes). >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >> email to my address above) >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >> from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >> P?blicas ; **The >> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >> of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ; **Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* >>> >>> >>> **** >>> p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that >>> we delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is >>> repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the >>> memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. >>> Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every >>> time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 15:07:19 2012 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:07:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This statement is not too impressive in English; I wish I could remember how Longfellow translated it in his ?Coplas de Manrique.? But of course (and we shall go into this question in another lecture) behind the stock metaphor we have the grave music of the words: Nuestras vidas son los r?os que van a dar en la mar qu?es el morir; all? van los se?or?os derechos a se acabar e consumir . . . Yet the metaphor is exactly the same in all these cases. p.26 - 27 [same book] On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I shift, I evanesce. And so do you. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> p.14 - >> Thus, the language is shifting; the Latins knew all >> about that. And the reader is shifting also. This brings >> us back to the old metaphor of the Greeks?the metaphor, >> or rather the truth, about no man stepping twice >> into the same river. And there is, I think, an element of >> fear here. At first we are apt to think of the river as >> _owing. We think, ?Of course, the river goes on but >> the water is changing.? Then, with an emerging sense >> of awe, we feel that we too are changing?that we are >> as shifting and evanescent as the river is. >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> You can't step into the same poem twice (or even >>> once, sometimes). >>> >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >>> email to my address above) >>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >>> from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >>> P?blicas ; **The >>> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >>> of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ; **Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini < >>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that >>>> we delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is >>>> repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the >>>> memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. >>>> Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every >>>> time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anny Ballardini >>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>>> star! >>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>> >>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>> Giovenale >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 17:00:52 2012 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:00:52 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jorge Luis Borges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exactly. ?????????????????????????????> wrote: > I shift, I evanesce. And so do you. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> p.14 - >> Thus, the language is shifting; the Latins knew all >> about that. And the reader is shifting also. This brings >> us back to the old metaphor of the Greeks?the metaphor, >> or rather the truth, about no man stepping twice >> into the same river. And there is, I think, an element of >> fear here. At first we are apt to think of the river as >> _owing. We think, ?Of course, the river goes on but >> the water is changing.? Then, with an emerging sense >> of awe, we feel that we too are changing?that we are >> as shifting and evanescent as the river is. >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> You can't step into the same poem twice (or even >>> once, sometimes). >>> >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> On Barcelona (submissions sought; >>> email to my address above) >>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen *, Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains >>> To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets >>> from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black , *Obras >>> P?blicas ; **The >>> Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory >>> of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ; **Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Anny Ballardini < >>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> *This Craft of Verse ? Jorge Luis Borges 2000* >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> p.6- I think the first reading of a poem is a true one, and after that >>>> we delude ourselves into the belief that the sensation, the impression, is >>>> repeated. But, as I say, it may be mere loyalty, a mere trick of the >>>> memory, a mere confusion between our passion and the passion we once felt. >>>> Thus, it might be said that poetry is a new experience every time. Every >>>> time I read a poem, the experience happens to occur. And that is poetry. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anny Ballardini >>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>>> star! >>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>> >>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>> Giovenale >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 1 01:44:51 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:44:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah, I sent it to Facebook and acknowledged you. I think David will forgive me. If I mess up the post on Facebook, I will lose all the comments and people might think who knows what, talk of the elasticity of Facebook. I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are forcing on me, I did receive a mail from them that neatly tells me that they have so many emails to answer and will probably do when they can but please to see if I can find an answer on their Q&A page. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:34 AM, wrote: > Anny, > David Graham first posted it. I was trying to copy it and it posted it > again. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 4:02 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich > > This is a great poem. Thank you. > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, wrote: > >> Tattered Kaddish**** >> **** >> **** >> Taurean reaper of the wild apple field **** >> messenger from earthmire gleaning **** >> transcripts of fog **** >> in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month **** >> speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides:**** >> **** >> Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel **** >> on ones we knew and loved**** >> **** >> Praise to life though its windows blew shut **** >> on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved**** >> **** >> Praise to life though ones we knew and loved **** >> loved it badly, too well, and not enough**** >> **** >> Praise to life though it tightened like a knot **** >> on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us**** >> **** >> Praise to life giving room and reason **** >> to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable**** >> **** >> Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could.**** >> **** >> 1989**** >> ** ** >> **** >> --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991.**** >> >> Jim Finnegan >> 860-508-2810 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:03 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich >> >> My father at 85 was young, thus Adrienne even younger. >> Death reaps us. >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:45 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> Sad news: >>> >>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/03/adrienne-rich.html >>> >>> >>> Tattered Kaddish >>> >>> >>> Taurean reaper of the wild apple field >>> messenger from earthmire gleaning >>> transcripts of fog >>> in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month >>> speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: >>> >>> Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel >>> on ones we knew and loved >>> >>> Praise to life though its windows blew shut >>> on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved >>> >>> Praise to life though ones we knew and loved >>> loved it badly, too well, and not enough >>> >>> Praise to life though it tightened like a knot >>> on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us >>> >>> Praise to life giving room and reason >>> to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable >>> >>> Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. >>> >>> 1989 >>> >>> --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Only 23 copies available for sale from the *...* sevenkitchens.blogspot.com/.../christina-pacosz-how-to-measu... -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Sun Apr 1 12:33:15 2012 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:33:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of luck with that. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are > forcing on me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The meaningful question is what poets could be consider primarily political poets.? Which requires a definition of ?political.?? Cummings may have been primarily a political poet.? Certainly he was a propagandist for individualism versus collectivism.? I agree more with his many political poems than I do with those of most other poets I know, but wish he hadn?t written them.? Giving people verbal pleasure seems to me a vastly higher goal than preaching. ? --Bob ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com On Barcelona (submissions sought; email to my address above) Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > it is a higher goal. the preachers are not poets. or very bad poets. > > --- On *Fri, 3/30/12, bob grumman * wrote: > > > From: bob grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:13 PM > > > > *From:* junction at earthlink.net > *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 2:34 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich > > Allen Ginsberg Carl Sandburg > > It's a very long list. > > The meaningful question is what poets could be consider *primarily*political poets. Which requires a definition of ?political.? Cummings may > have been primarily a political poet. Certainly he was a propagandist for > individualism versus collectivism. I agree more with his many political > poems than I do with those of most other poets I know, but wish he hadn?t > written them. Giving people verbal pleasure seems to me a vastly higher > goal than preaching. > > --Bob > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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William Auden, for one. to be alive in the modern world, and avoid politics, may not be possible. ...even for the artist. sometimes, especially for the artist. --- On Sun, 4/1/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 1:43 PM it is a higher goal. the preachers are not poets. or very bad poets. --- On Fri, 3/30/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:13 PM #yiv1213515471 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1213515471 p{margin:0px;} ? ? From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:34 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] No One Misses the Poets -- Adrienne Rich ? Allen Ginsberg Carl Sandburg It's a very long list. ? 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Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: References: <8CEDC1B9225706C-300-14EF@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> <8CEDDBEABCC6D29-1F90-C2B3@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Welcome to my Timeline, folks, :-) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Lots of luck with that. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > On Barcelona (submissions sought; > email to my address above) > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ; **Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I also wrote them an email that I do not want the Timeline they are >> forcing on me > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqozr_XS6Rw > > Rockaby > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 2 02:30:22 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:30:22 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <1333117976.86805.YahooMailClassic@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1333117976.86805.YahooMailClassic@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the article. I forwarded it to F. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Baratier wrote: > here is a solid article on Rich & her passing > > > http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/rem/03/29/in-remembrance-adrienne-rich/ > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Gad, I envy your ability to zero in on what?s most important of what I say, Hal?especially when I mistype it. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Mon Apr 2 19:00:39 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor Mon Apr 2 22:41:25 2012 From: editor (David Baratier) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333420885.78541.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A Thanks for forwarding it to F. If you could also send to G. K? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > > Thanks for the article. I forwarded it to F. > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > > here is a solid article on Rich & her passing > > > > > > http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/rem/03/29/in-remembrance-adrienne-rich/ From anny.ballardini Tue Apr 3 13:15:07 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:15:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <1333420885.78541.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1333420885.78541.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hehe, facebook, thus G. and K are covered. Cheers, AB On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:41 AM, David Baratier wrote: > A > > Thanks for forwarding it to F. If you could also send to G. > K? > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > > > > > Thanks for the article. I forwarded it to F. > > > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Baratier >wrote: > > > > > here is a solid article on Rich & her passing > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/rem/03/29/in-remembrance-adrienne-rich/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Tue Apr 3 13:47:50 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333475270.44706.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Tue Apr 3 14:43:43 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage Message-ID: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy ?The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. ?At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! ?And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! ? *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come back of the previous dictatorships and others... They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the state and the other one is the apathy of the people... ?Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. ? Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis Location: Greece Labels: human rights --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. But it does loop, like a wandering moose, a homeward goose, or a four hundred year old ruse. ???? ?? -Joel Dias-Porter ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha Wed Apr 4 06:07:43 2012 From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:07:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333407639.4046.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Self-Defence and Other American Jokes I wish I could pretend a poem, Or tend a grief In an innocuous metaphor, for Those already guilty through pity Now that unrest is looking for an arrest And self-defense always wears American colours Time comes when America defends America, not Americans Time comes when enemies on the mind Are more friendly than hooded aliens If self-defense were Afghanistan or Iraqi It would have seen the measure of a nation Plus the smell of global justice So one learns to pretend a poem Or tend one's wounds When justice wishes to remain unjust. --- Obododimma Oha On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, stephen russell wrote: > There are political poems. & poems of outrage. > This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. > A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. > > By > -Joel Dias-Porter > > > TRAYVON > > > > is a story of steam, > rising like > a swarm of hornets, > singeing sight from eyes. > a parable of lava > moldering down a mountain > igniting all green to ash, > the song of a hit recorded, > number 1 with a bullet. > > Is not a story > about "fucking coons" > that "always get away." > > This is not a poem > about Emmet Till, > Amadou Diallo, > or James Byrd Jr. > > It is not the tale of > a "suspicious" hoodie > in the wrong neighborhood > or a trigger finger with > a "squeaky clean record." > Is not a fable of a corpse > with a bullet hole > that was tested for drugs > or a hand freshly coated > with the back flash of phosphorus > that was not. > This is a story > that checks out, > so the only charges > will be on a credit card > for funeral services. > > I did not write this poem > in anger, > I did not write this poem > in "Self-Defense." > I did not write this poem. > Because my pen is empty from > having already written & written this poem. > > These words can be heard > only because > while facedown > on the concrete > of the righthand lane > at 10:37 AM > on April 15th, 1987 > at 19067 Greenbelt Road > my name was not Gregory Habib, > my sternum > could stand the weight > of the knee between > my shoulder blades, > and the monomaniacal eye > at the back of my head > was a .38 revolver > with a 15 lb. trigger pull > and not the 8 lb pull > of a Glock 9mm. > Because it was all just > > a misunderstanding > and have a nice day, Sir. > > It is not true that > my eyes are red > as a bag of Skittles > as I write this, > and if my page is dotted > with drops, it is only > Arizona iced tea that is spilled. > > This poem pertains to no crime, > contains no trees > with branches strong enough > to bear the weight of a black boy, > contains no rope (of any length), > contains not even a single slipknot. > > But it does loop, > like a wandering moose, > a homeward goose, > or a four hundred year old > ruse. > > > > -Joel Dias-Porter > -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Wed Apr 4 11:27:01 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> this was a mistake.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? since I somehow posted it, here's the actual link -- ? Joe Hill 3:03am Apr 3 http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2012/04/you-are-child-growing-up-in-greece-in.html glykosymoritis: ?You are a child growing up in Greece in the nineties?? glykosymoritis.blogspot.com --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 2:43 PM The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy ?The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. ?At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! ?And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! ? *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come back of the previous dictatorships and others... They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the state and the other one is the apathy of the people... ?Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. ? Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis Location: Greece Labels: human rights --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... ? ?????????????????????????????? ??? CAMPAIGN PROMISES???? ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????? There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, ??????????????????????????????????? Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, ???????????????????????? ???????????Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech ????????????????????????????????? ? Burns with the rich smell of truth. ? ?????????????????????????????????? ?Wave as the crowd surrounds you: ??????????????????????????????????? Your confidence, poise: feel it? ??????????????????????????????????? Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain ??????????????????????????????????? So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. ????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? No gesture?s too obvious. ?????????????? ?????????????????????In the dark rows of the balcony, ??????????????????????????????????? Someone reaches for a gun. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM There are political poems. & poems of outrage. This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. By -Joel Dias-Porter ??????????????????? TRAYVON? ??? is a story of steam, rising like a swarm of hornets, singeing sight from eyes. a parable of lava moldering down a mountain igniting all green to ash, the song of a hit recorded, number 1 with a bullet. Is not a story about "fucking coons" that "always get away." This is not a poem about Emmet Till, Amadou Diallo, or James Byrd Jr. It is not the tale of a "suspicious" hoodie in the wrong neighborhood or a trigger finger with a "squeaky clean record." Is not a fable of a corpse with a bullet hole that was tested for drugs or a hand freshly coated with the back flash of phosphorus that was not. This is a story that checks out, so the only charges will be on a credit card for funeral services. I did not write this poem in anger, I did not write this poem in "Self-Defense." I did not write this poem. Because my pen is empty from having already written & written this poem. These words can be heard only because while facedown on the concrete of the righthand lane at 10:37 AM on April 15th, 1987 at 19067 Greenbelt Road my name was not Gregory Habib, my sternum could stand the weight of the knee between my shoulder blades, and the monomaniacal eye at the back of my head was a .38 revolver with a 15 lb. trigger pull and not the 8 lb pull of a Glock 9mm. Because it was all just a misunderstanding and have a nice day, Sir. It is not true that my eyes are red as a bag of Skittles as I write this, and if my page is dotted with drops, it is only Arizona iced tea that is spilled. This poem pertains to no crime, contains no trees with branches strong enough to bear the weight of a black boy, contains no rope (of any length), contains not even a single slipknot. 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Even though I am not a historian but a 71-year-old ? Korean noveliest, ? I gladly accept the mockery of American intellectuals because I myself ridicule them ? for their idealism. ? Did I mention that Mr. Hong, my friend, ? is also a drunk. I shall drink with my friend tonight. ? The two of us will raise ? some hell. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha Thu Apr 5 05:14:43 2012 From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:14:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage In-Reply-To: <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333478623.81437.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1333553221.24575.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing Joel's poem, Stephen. Regards. Obododimma. On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, stephen russell wrote: > this was a mistake. since I somehow posted it, here's the actual link -- > > Joe Hill 3:03am Apr 3 > http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2012/04/you-are-child-growing-up-in-greece-in.html > glykosymoritis: ?You are a child growing up in Greece in the nineties?? > glykosymoritis.blogspot.com > > --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: poems of outrage > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 2:43 PM > > The return of the horrors of the concentration camps in the birthplace of Democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ruling class in Greece in order to sustain it's power, is attacking the weakest in society, the migrants! > The plan of the government (PASOK,NEA DEMOCRATIA) with the open support of the enthusiastic, ecstatic extreme right*, is to build new camps and renovate old military camps close to the borderline, to use for the imprisonment of migrants! By the way this not a speculation, this has been announced officially a week ago now or so.. > At present mass arrests of immigrants by the police with the courteous assistance of the extreme right* are taking place all over Greece, health screens of them, beatings etc. The business controlled media hand in hand with the state television is highlighting the" necessity" of all these carry on, because as they claim the immigrants are posing a "health hazard" for the indigenous population!! > And all this, guess what, are taking place on the anticipation of a general election that "might" take place some time soon... > Not to forget, as we speak one of the biggest barriers in Europe, is being constructed in Greece's land borders with Turkey in the North east..at a time of hardship for all living in this forsaken land, the state is splashing the cash to build walls with barbed wire and the extreme right* asking them to consider the planting of mines across the wall for extra protection!!! > *The rise of the extreme right is on the up in Greece big time among their ranks are new > Nazi horizontal movements! Nationalists-populists that dream of the come > back of the previous dictatorships and others... > They did not sprout in Greece out of the blue, two are the main reasons for their > rise, primarily is the massive help these scum is getting from the > state and the other one is the apathy of the people... > Forgot to mention: The Greek government has announced that the whole "concetration camp scheme" will create a few thousands jobs!! for the boys as "human guards" as they call them.. > > Posted Yesterday by Glykosymoritis > Location: Greece > Labels: human rights > > --- On Tue, 4/3/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 1:47 PM > > from ... from ... from ... not a poem of outrage ... a poem about political posturing ... from me ... > > CAMPAIGN PROMISES > > > > > There?s a trick to standing behind podiums, > Clearing the throat like a lover unable to propose, > Adjusting one?s posture until the most maudlin speech > Burns with the rich smell of truth. > > Wave as the crowd surrounds you: > Your confidence, poise: feel it? > Blow a kiss towards a cloud to make it rain > So they're happy in farm belt, Wisconsin. > > No gesture?s too obvious. > In the dark rows of the balcony, > Someone reaches for a gun. > > --- On Mon, 4/2/12, stephen russell wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] poems of outrage > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 7:00 PM > > There are political poems. & poems of outrage. > This poem was selected as the poem of the week from Split This Rock. > A Rich often wrote from outrage. & Howl, of course, is an outrageous screed. > > By > -Joel Dias-Porter > > > TRAYVON > > > > is a story of steam, > rising like > a swarm of hornets, > singeing sight from eyes. > a parable of lava > moldering down a mountain > igniting all green to ash, > the song of a hit recorded, > number 1 with a bullet. > > Is not a story > about "fucking coons" > that "always get away." > > This is not a poem > about Emmet Till, > Amadou Diallo, > or James Byrd Jr. > > It is not the tale of > a "suspicious" hoodie > in the wrong neighborhood > or a trigger finger with > a "squeaky clean record." > Is not a fable of a corpse > with a bullet hole > that was tested for drugs > or a hand freshly coated > with the back flash of phosphorus > that was not. > This is a story > that checks out, > so the only charges > will be on a credit card > for funeral services. > > I did not write this poem > in anger, > I did not write this poem > in "Self-Defense." > I did not write this poem. > Because my pen is empty from > having already written & written this poem. > > These words can be heard > only because > while facedown > on the concrete > of the righthand lane > at 10:37 AM > on April 15th, 1987 > at 19067 Greenbelt Road > my name was not Gregory Habib, > my sternum > could stand the weight > of the knee between > my shoulder blades, > and the monomaniacal eye > at the back of my head > was a .38 revolver > with a 15 lb. trigger pull > and not the 8 lb pull > of a Glock 9mm. > Because it was all just > > a misunderstanding > and have a nice day, Sir. > > It is not true that > my eyes are red > as a bag of Skittles > as I write this, > and if my page is dotted > with drops, it is only > Arizona iced tea that is spilled. > > This poem pertains to no crime, > contains no trees > with branches strong enough > to bear the weight of a black boy, > contains no rope (of any length), > contains not even a single slipknot. > > But it does loop, > like a wandering moose, > a homeward goose, > or a four hundred year old > ruse. > > > > -Joel Dias-Porter > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- *Obododimma Oha* http://udude.wordpress.com/ (*Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics*) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & *Fellow*, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 802 220 8008; +234 818 639 5001. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A collaboration about weather with artist Kiki Smith is forthcoming from Lelong Gallery and a collaboration with her husband Richard Tuttle about communicating with plants will open in Munich, fall, 2012.. She lives in New York City and northern New Mexico. TAMIKO BEYER is the author of We Come Elemental, winner of the 2011 Kinereth Gensler Award and forthcoming from Alice James Books, and bough breaks from Meritage Press. She received her M.F.A. from Washington University in St. Louis where she was awarded a Chancellor?s Fellowship. She is a former Kundiman Fellow, a contributing editor to Drunken Boat, and the Advocacy Writer at Corporate Accountability International. She lives in Cambridge, MA. Find her online at wonderinghome.com ROBIN COSTE LEWIS?s work has appeared in various journals, including The Massachusetts Review, Callaloo, The Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review, GCN, The Pocket Myth Series, and anthologized in Black Silk and The Encyclopedia Project, F-K. She was a finalist for both the War Poetry Prize in 2010, and the National Rita Dove Prize in 2004. She has been awarded residencies and fellowships by the Caldera Foundation, the Ragdale Foundation, and others. Currently, she is a Goldwater Fellow at NYU?s Creative Writing Program. Born in Compton, California, her family is from New Orleans. METTA S?MA is author of South of Here (New Issues Press, 2005). Her chapbook, Where Ghosts Camp, is forthcoming from YesYesBooks as both ebook and print. Her poems & book reviews have been published or forthcoming in Blackbird, Crab Orchard Review, Drunken Boat, Diner, Esque, hercircle, Paterson Literary Review, Verse, Vinyl, Zone 3, among others. She is the fiction editor at ragazine.cc. She teaches African American & Women?s Literature at Lehman & Hunter Colleges in NYC. 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Since moving to the city, she has attended workshops and classes at the NY Publicy Library, 92nd St Y and Poets House, and has her poems included in several chapbooks. She works in publishing and has been able to travel to East Asia, Europe and South America. Ashley is delighted to be reading for Couplet. Liz Axelrod is a graduate student at The New School. She was Managing Editor of two award-winning editions of 12th Street, the New School?s undergraduate literary journal; Editor-in-Chief of www.12thstreetonline.com, and is now a Poetry Reader for LIT Magazine. Liz has been making the rounds of the NYC Poetry Circuit for close to a decade and has been both reader and judge at the Bowery College Poetry Slam, a featured poet at the Yippie Museum?s Monday Night Poet?s Caf?, The Phoenix Reading Series, The Cornelia Street Graduate Series, The Southern Writer's Series, Smalls Jazz Poetry Series, The Lolita Bar, The Renegade Reading Series and The Living Room?s Stories & Songs Residency. Her work has been published in the Cat Oars Fiction Collective, 12th Street, Lyre Lyre, The Rumpus, The Brooklyn Rail, and Electric Literature. She is currently working on her first collection of poems tentatively titled Nowhere Tongue. Amy King is the author of, most recently, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press). She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett, co-edits Esque Magazine and the PEN Poetry Series with Ana Bozicevic, and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College. Readings, reviews and more @ amyking.org ??????????????????????????????????????? THE AFTER-PARTY: DJ Ceremony presents the April edition of the celebrated "Oscillate WIldly" party after the reading from 10:00 p.m. to 4 a.m.. (A volatile, ecstatic all-night Smiths & Morrissey tribute dance party including classics, deep cuts, & new material. Also featuring UK, Britpop, & Manchester. More info (& FB invite) here: http://www.facebook.com/events/205800672853602/ ??????????????????????????????????????? Your Hostess & DJ - Leah Umansky is a New Yorker by birth, a teacher by choice, and an anglophile at heart. Her first book, ?Domestic Uncertainties,? is floating around space and hoping for some lucky editor to say, ?yes!? She received her BA in English/Creative Writing from SUNY Binghamton and her MFA in Poetry from Sarah Lawrence College and is a recipient of a 1-week fellowship at the Norman Mailer Writers Colony. She has been a contributing writer for BOMB Magazine?s BOMBLOG, a poetry reviewer for The Rumpus and a guest blogger for The Best American Poetry Blog. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in: Barrow Street, Holy Diver, Women?s Studies Quarterly,? Contemporary Verse 2, Cream City Review, The Paterson Literary Review, and Magma Poetry. 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Buckley's interview of him that served as the introduction to one of the episodes of public television's serialized version of E. Waugh's _Brideshead Revisited_.? I'm amused by the stories of Kenner removing his hearing aids of someone started a line of conversation that didn't please him. Jerry McGuire spoke on this list of a Kenner visit to SUNY/Buffalo--I guess this was not during my time there in the 70s and very early 80s. I'm sorry to have missed him. All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached Rapallo than it did most of Germany. ------------------ That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner as well as Pound! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Sat Apr 7 18:09:25 2012 From: bobgrumman (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:09:25 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47FA077F607E47D4B5FF0DCB715AB1BA@BobHP> From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:57 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? Yes. Here?s a related version: wouldn?t it be nice if all poets appreciated the value of poetry?and that society rewarded them on the basis of what their poetry did as poetry rather than what it did for some political point of view. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sat Apr 7 23:30:28 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <6808072.1333821422528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1333855828.96114.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv1033722863 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1033722863 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? They have agency;? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sat Apr 7 23:24:19 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <47FA077F607E47D4B5FF0DCB715AB1BA@BobHP> Message-ID: <1333855459.90239.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> would be nice, but it won't happen. Society doesn't give a damn about poetry. I'm not even sure what we're talking about when we say society. When I hear the word society, I think in economic terms. Society is the way things (commodities) are bought and sold. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 6:09 PM #yiv463924361 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv463924361 p{margin:0px;} ? ? From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:57 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy ? Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? ? Yes.? Here?s a related version: wouldn?t it be nice if all poets appreciated the value of poetry?and that society rewarded them on the basis of what their poetry did as poetry rather than what it did for some political point of view. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sat Apr 7 23:43:30 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu In-Reply-To: <8CEE2EC572EDE86-1FC-553A@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333856610.60704.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> the articule didn't print the poem. Too bad, but good for Gunter, an excellent noveliest, and a decent (skilled) poet. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:43 AM http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jNHlF3MmQalAMzPLYkCMAFw0n7sw?docId=96f7ecd6b556462e9a71be7231ba0f73 Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu By JUERGEN BAETZ, Associated Press ? 1 hour ago BERLIN (AP) ? German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass, under fire for a poem that sharply criticized Israel, said he was singling out the Jewish state's government, not the country as a whole. The poem drew sharp rebukes at home and from Israel, including accusations of being anti-Semitic, but Grass received praise from a senior Iranian official Saturday. In the poem published in European dailies Wednesday, the 84-year-old German author criticized? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 00:14:06 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333858446.34262.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cezanne was the painter of light. Tomas Kitschade painted hallmark light. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 10:34 AM http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 00:17:19 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <1333858639.84312.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Seurat/painter of light: Seurat took to heart the color theorists' notion of a scientific approach to painting. Seurat believed that a painter could use color to create harmony and emotion in art in the same way that a musician uses counterpoint and variation to create harmony in music. Seurat theorized that the scientific application of color was like any other natural law, and he was driven to prove this conjecture. He thought that the knowledge of perception and optical laws could be used to create a new language of art based on its own set of heuristics and he set out to show this language using lines, color intensity and color schema. Seurat called this language Chromoluminarism. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 12:14 AM Cezanne was the painter of light. Tomas Kitschade painted hallmark light. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 10:34 AM http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 8 03:09:26 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:09:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE2E2AE499049-150C-70D9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > > http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html > > == > > Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light > > In this poem there is a little village > and a brook that wends its way > under a covered footbridge. > > Now and forever a brick walk will lead > you to the door of a cottage. > Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. > All the windowpanes aglow > with a rich yellow light as though > at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child > might peek from behind the curtains. > > In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts > from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. > Always it is a few days before Christmas. > > **** > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From chris Sun Apr 8 03:38:46 2012 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:38:46 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner In-Reply-To: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1333823320.73458.YahooMailNeo@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > > All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of > _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated > Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to > master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound > thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration > camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". > > * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of > extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 8 06:08:36 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:08:36 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Passing Stranger - The East Village Poetry Walk In-Reply-To: <8CEE2FA9090A6FB-26CC-DB92@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEE2FA9090A6FB-26CC-DB92@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I took the entire tour on google maps, worth the hour and a half, Easter midday, wondering why I have a headache now. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM, wrote: > *http://eastvillagepoetrywalk.org/about.html* > ** > *Passing Stranger - The East Village Poetry Walk* is an audio tour of > poetry related sites in New York City's East Village. It is produced by > Pejk Malinovski, with support from The Poetry Foundation. The audio file > and a map outlining the route, which can be downloaded here, > allows the user to take the tour using their own mp3 player. The tour is > about 2 miles and 95 minutes long. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 07:46:10 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333855828.96114.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333885570.78672.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv1077751265 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1077751265 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? They have agency;? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 07:54:48 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333885570.78672.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333886088.97397.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crack pot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. Consider: #1 Increasingly, gains in income are becoming very highly concentrated at the top of the food chain in America.? The following is how income gains in the United States were distributed during 2010.... -37 percent of all income gains went to the top 0.01 percent of all income earners -56 percent of all income gains went to the rest of the top 1 percent -7 percent of all income gains went to the bottom 99 percent #2 Back in the '70s, the top 1 percent earned about 8 percent of all income.? Today, they earn about 21 percent of all income. #3 The wealthiest 1 percent of all Americans own more wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined. #4 According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. #5 The poorest 50 percent of all Americans collectively own just 2.5% of all the wealth in the United States. #6 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #7 The top 0.01% of all Americans make an average of $27,342,212.? The bottom 90% make an average of $31,244. #8 According to the Economic Policy Institute, between 1979 and 2007 income growth for the top 1 percent of all U.S. income earners was an astounding 390 percent.? For the bottom 90 percent, income growth was only 5 percent over that same time period. #9 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation. #10 In 2010, 2.6 million more Americans descended into poverty.? That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959. #11 According to the New York Times, approximately 100 million Americans are either living in poverty or in "the fretful zone just above it". #12 According to Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, about 53 percent of all income went to the middle class back in the 1970s, but today only about 46 percent of all income does. #13 When you look at the ratio of employee compensation to GDP, it is now the lowest that is has been in about 50 years. #14 In 1970, 65 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods".? By 2007, only 44 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods". #15 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty.? Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #16 The poverty rate for children living in the United States increased to 22% in 2010. #17 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in "extreme poverty", and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before. #18 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of "very poor" rose in 300 out of the 360 largest metropolitan areas during 2010. #19 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.? Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #20 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #21 In the United States today, there are 240 million working age people.? Only about 140 million of them are actually working. #22 Back in 2001, the ratio of wages to GDP was sitting at approximately 49 percent.? Today, it has fallen all the way down to about 44 percent. #23 Half of all American workers now earn?$505 or less per week. #24 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.? Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #25 In 2010, 19.7% of all U.S. working adults had jobs that would not have been enough to push a family of four over the poverty line even if they had worked full-time hours for the entire year. #26 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row. #27 The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011. #28 If inflation was measured the exact same way that it was measured back in 1980, the rate of inflation in the United States would be well over 10 percent. #29 According to a recent report produced by Pew Charitable Trusts, approximately one out of every three Americans that grew up in a middle class household has slipped down the income ladder. #30 Total student loan debt in America has now passed the 1 trillion dollar mark, and about 270 billion dollars of those loans are at least 30 days delinquent.? These debts are absolutely crushing young middle class families. #31 Today, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents. #32 According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.? Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #33 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent. #34 One out of every six elderly Americans now lives below the federal poverty line. #35 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #36 According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty. #37 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps.? Today, more than 46 million Americans are on food stamps. #38 Right now, one out of every four American children is on food stamps. #39 It is being projected that approximately 50 percent of all U.S. children will be on food stamps at some point in their lives before they reach the age of 18. #40 In 2010, 42 percent of all single mothers in the United States were on food stamps. #41 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.? Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.? It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #42 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #43 One out of every six Americans is now enrolled in at least one government anti-poverty program. #44 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #45 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:46 AM The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv354927847 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv354927847 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 08:11:03 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333886088.97397.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333887063.87259.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> but back to the original piece, and the poem by Philip Levine: Here?s where the democracy part comes in.? When a poem can lead you into an unfamiliar place, where what you must do is watch and listen closely, think and associate quickly, and find your footing from scratch, it is imparting a set of skills that are yours to keep. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:54 AM for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crack pot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. Consider: #1 Increasingly, gains in income are becoming very highly concentrated at the top of the food chain in America.? The following is how income gains in the United States were distributed during 2010.... -37 percent of all income gains went to the top 0.01 percent of all income earners -56 percent of all income gains went to the rest of the top 1 percent -7 percent of all income gains went to the bottom 99 percent #2 Back in the '70s, the top 1 percent earned about 8 percent of all income.? Today, they earn about 21 percent of all income. #3 The wealthiest 1 percent of all Americans own more wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined. #4 According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. #5 The poorest 50 percent of all Americans collectively own just 2.5% of all the wealth in the United States. #6 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #7 The top 0.01% of all Americans make an average of $27,342,212.? The bottom 90% make an average of $31,244. #8 According to the Economic Policy Institute, between 1979 and 2007 income growth for the top 1 percent of all U.S. income earners was an astounding 390 percent.? For the bottom 90 percent, income growth was only 5 percent over that same time period. #9 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation. #10 In 2010, 2.6 million more Americans descended into poverty.? That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959. #11 According to the New York Times, approximately 100 million Americans are either living in poverty or in "the fretful zone just above it". #12 According to Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, about 53 percent of all income went to the middle class back in the 1970s, but today only about 46 percent of all income does. #13 When you look at the ratio of employee compensation to GDP, it is now the lowest that is has been in about 50 years. #14 In 1970, 65 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods".? By 2007, only 44 percent of all Americans lived in "middle class neighborhoods". #15 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty.? Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #16 The poverty rate for children living in the United States increased to 22% in 2010. #17 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in "extreme poverty", and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before. #18 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of "very poor" rose in 300 out of the 360 largest metropolitan areas during 2010. #19 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.? Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #20 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #21 In the United States today, there are 240 million working age people.? Only about 140 million of them are actually working. #22 Back in 2001, the ratio of wages to GDP was sitting at approximately 49 percent.? Today, it has fallen all the way down to about 44 percent. #23 Half of all American workers now earn?$505 or less per week. #24 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.? Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #25 In 2010, 19.7% of all U.S. working adults had jobs that would not have been enough to push a family of four over the poverty line even if they had worked full-time hours for the entire year. #26 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row. #27 The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011. #28 If inflation was measured the exact same way that it was measured back in 1980, the rate of inflation in the United States would be well over 10 percent. #29 According to a recent report produced by Pew Charitable Trusts, approximately one out of every three Americans that grew up in a middle class household has slipped down the income ladder. #30 Total student loan debt in America has now passed the 1 trillion dollar mark, and about 270 billion dollars of those loans are at least 30 days delinquent.? These debts are absolutely crushing young middle class families. #31 Today, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents. #32 According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.? Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #33 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent. #34 One out of every six elderly Americans now lives below the federal poverty line. #35 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #36 According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty. #37 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps.? Today, more than 46 million Americans are on food stamps. #38 Right now, one out of every four American children is on food stamps. #39 It is being projected that approximately 50 percent of all U.S. children will be on food stamps at some point in their lives before they reach the age of 18. #40 In 2010, 42 percent of all single mothers in the United States were on food stamps. #41 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.? Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.? It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #42 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #43 One out of every six Americans is now enrolled in at least one government anti-poverty program. #44 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #45 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 7:46 AM The fascist, of course, had Pound and d'Annunzio, while the socialist/communist had Neruda, and Brecht. It seems to me that one can either try to ignore politics or engage in it. I know a particular dog who writes poems. His favorite subject is fleas. It's his condition, the thing he knows best, and he writes wonderful poems about fleas. Politics, and politicians are fleas. Why not write about them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:30 PM Fascist have had their poets. Socialist have had their poets, Whitman is the democratic poet. & politicians, if they could, would buy a poet. They seem to like them for various ceremonies. They like nice poets. A Billy Collins type of poet. They like pretty sounding words that flatters them. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:57 PM #yiv717016592 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv717016592 p{margin:0px;}Poems have also always been essential to monarchies, tyranies, brutality, war, etc. I don't think they're implicated in pestilence, however. Wouldn't it be lovely if no poets felt so insecure about their metier that they need to justify it to others as useful? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2012 1:05 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/07/the-wisdom-of-clouds-why-poetry-is-essential-to-democracy/?mod=google_news_blog Poems are essential to democracy.? Let me show you what I mean. In the poem ?Clouds,? by Poet Laureate Philip Levine, the speaker takes a first step into a new perspective on something as ordinary and seemingly benign as clouds when he says, ?the clouds / ride above, their wisdom intact.? With that quick personifying gesture, the stock sense of clouds?the gray kind that ruin a sunny day, and the white ones that seem to demarcate a Sistine Chapel era heaven?get drained of that familiar baggage and become something different.? 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On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 10:33:34 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333895614.22317.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. ... as usual, be wary of the ruling class. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Chris Lott wrote: From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:38 AM On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > > All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of > _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated > Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to > master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound > thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration > camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". > > * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of > extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip Sun Apr 8 11:26:12 2012 From: fox.skip (Skip Fox) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:26:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <1333895406.622.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333895406.622.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. > > --- On *Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini * wrote: > > > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM > > The poem is sweetest. > > I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind > them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered > sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas > and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for > "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. > > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, > > wrote: > > > http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html > > == > > Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light > > In this poem there is a little village > and a brook that wends its way > under a covered footbridge. > > Now and forever a brick walk will lead > you to the door of a cottage. > Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. > All the windowpanes aglow > with a rich yellow light as though > at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child > might peek from behind the curtains. > > In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts > from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. > Always it is a few days before Christmas. > > **** > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames Sun Apr 8 12:51:49 2012 From: jforjames (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <8CEE3BF065C2019-E30-1948B@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> I wrote that gentle bit of satire over 10 years ago, about a year or so after I became aware of the Thomas Kinkade phenomenon. Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies. That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == TomasKitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": ?Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. ? I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies.? That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details.? On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction Sun Apr 8 13:39:53 2012 From: junction (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Message-ID: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames Sun Apr 8 15:32:48 2012 From: jforjames (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 18:25:17 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1333923917.29651.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 8 18:33:43 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:33:43 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> References: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There is a natural intoxication with colors. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I > first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch > in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old > Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. > > I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the > obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his > wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. > > Jim Finnegan > 860-508-2810 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's > ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers > like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate > market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen > as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the > past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his > Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps > pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. > Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and > curators. > > Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both > images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including > my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought > they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the > Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 18:42:43 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333923917.29651.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333924963.41438.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> moreover, those making more are the ones stealing. & getting away with it. With "golden parachutes." Again, read the article about Bank of America. They operate like the mob, but with less integrity. ?? Not to worry, Bob. No one is after your money. If anything, you deserve more cash. Most people do. & the ones who don't, the lazy, the stupid, don't deserve to starve. I'd even allow a profoundly lazy man? to have a small room (on the dole) with a cot and food stamps as long as he wasn't violent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:25 PM Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 18:47:26 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <8CEE3D58419330B-12E8-8C21@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1333925246.23770.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's the drinking that makes the artistic life fun, and miserable. And short. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:32 PM Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead #yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 td{color:black;}#yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1364562028 #yiv1364562028AOLMsgPart_0_4c00653a-c9be-4fac-bb02-601ac471eb11 p{margin:0px;}I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Sun Apr 8 18:53:12 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <16555536.1333906793519.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1333925592.27233.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes. & Rockwell was very skilled, admired by many wealthy collectors. George Lucas (Star Wars), and Stephen Spielberg collected his work. I certainly wouldn't buy it if I had that kind of cash.? But I've never thought American life was loveable the way Rockwell apparently did. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:39 PM #yiv1060317343 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1060317343 p{margin:0px;}I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and curators. Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 12:51 PM I wrote that gentle bit of satire over 10 years ago, about a year or so after I became aware of the Thomas Kinkade phenomenon. Yesterday I read the lead article in Artnews, "When Bad Art Is Good": ?Dovetailing with Kinkade's death, I was thinking that the only thing that kept Thomas Kinkade's paintings out of major galleries and museums was the fact that he seriously believed he was creating fine and beautiful art. If Kinkade had taken the position that his own work was uber-kitsch, then he'd be collectible in the 'higher art world' instead of being the common denominator of what passes for art in many American households. I wonder if anyone on this list has been to the Thomas Kinkade created housing community in Vallejo CA? That would be something to experience. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead Neither did he afford himself of engagement, at least artistically. ? I liked the poem. It was clean and certain, though I think too kind, too Horatian. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM, stephen russell wrote: all those details require skill ... middle brow Rockwell had skill. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 3:09 AM The poem is sweetest. I do know his paintings, always thought there was a female hand behind them. He painted with the colors they forced you to use with those numbered sheets when you were a kid (1 - blue; 3 - red; ...), the same streaked seas and skies.? That is probably why his approach reflected a deep appeal for "middle brow" America. Nor did he spare himself with all those details.? On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-artist-thomas-kinkade-passes-away-aged-54-268744.html == Tomas Kitschade: Poet of Light In this poem there is a little village and a brook that wends its way under a covered footbridge. Now and forever a brick walk will lead you to the door of a cottage. Let's say the wind stole a shingle or two. All the windowpanes aglow with a rich yellow light as though at any moment a ruddy-cheeked child might peek from behind the curtains. In this poem, as in my others, smoke wafts from the chimney into a dreamy twilit sky. Always it is a few days before Christmas. / _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Buy a tent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:42 PM moreover, those making more are the ones stealing. & getting away with it. With "golden parachutes." Again, read the article about Bank of America. They operate like the mob, but with less integrity. ?? Not to worry, Bob. No one is after your money. If anything, you deserve more cash. Most people do. & the ones who don't, the lazy, the stupid, don't deserve to starve. I'd even allow a profoundly lazy man? to have a small room (on the dole) with a cot and food stamps as long as he wasn't violent. --- On Sun, 4/8/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 6:25 PM Bob, wages keep going down and jobs (especially factory jobs) are outsourced. & it almost certainly won't get better soon.? At one time, 16 young age earners were paying taxes to approx 2 people in retirement. Now we have 16 baby boomers ready to retire, a declining birth rate, and only 2 young wage earners to support the baby boomers. & the wage earners are also struggling.? The numbers don't come close to adding up. I've never envied the rich. I'm satisfied living modestly. In fact, I'm grateful to have what I have. But I pity the kids today. They're inheriting a mess. Clean drinking water will soon be enough to start a war. Moreover, the anger today is not just about income inequality. Do some research about Monsanto. Or read the latest? article in the current Rolling Stone about the Bank of America. It's sickening. We've always had corruption. But not on this scale. ?? Having painted such a grim picture, one might be tempted to give up. But a good fight is fun. & sometimes rewarding. Bring back the guillotine. ? --- On Sun, 4/8/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 1:32 PM From: stephen russell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:54 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy . for instance, and I don't mean to sound like a crackpot, a little known, unknown Pound. But Pound had the right idea about what was wrong with capitalism, but turned to the wrong solution, Fascism. . There is only one political ?solution? to the horror of someone?s earning more than you do, Stephen: some form of authoritarianism?i.e. some form of fascism (which needn?t be anti-Semitic). At bottom, however, the ?problem? cannot be solved politically because it?s due to innate biology: the fact that (1) some people are naturally better able to come out ahead of others in any form of government, and (2) just about all human beings are afflicted with an inability to be satisfied with what they have if someone else has more than they do?as in the incredibly affluent US, where even I, having made $7,000 this year, which was my third-best year ever financially, wish I had done better?even though I have a house a decent computer (finally), a television I rarely use, two functioning bicycles, a refrigerator and microwave, more clothes than I need, hot water, a two hundred good books I haven?t yet read, and?best of all?a power lawn-mower! I wonder, by the way, if even one participant in this forum on the side of the Wall Street Occupiers would be willing to send me the difference between what he made this year and what I made, thus equalizing our incomes. Or tell me why that would not be fair although stealing money from those making more than he would be. . --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 9 03:29:37 2012 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:29:37 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead In-Reply-To: <24049739.1333926339676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24049739.1333926339676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: What I meant is that colors are toxic. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, wrote: > Not always. Bad eggs and rotten meat can be very colorful, but they still > stink. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini ** > Sent: Apr 8, 2012 6:33 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead > > There is a natural intoxication with colors. > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > >> Eventually Kinkade's output may have been produced in China, but when I >> first heard of him he was employing "master illuminators" who would touch >> in all the highlighting in his work. Somewhat like the guild system in old >> Europe, you probably had to start as apprentice illuminator. >> >> I never followed his life closely, so I was surprised when some of the >> obituaries mentioned his financial troubles in recent years, leaving his >> wife and four daughters, drinking problems. Just like a real artist. >> >> Jim Finnegan >> 860-508-2810 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: junction >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead >> >> I think that's a different phenomenon, or set of phenomena. Rockwell's >> ascendency to serious consideration is certainly market-driven--dealers >> like to have things to sell. But illustration art also has a separate >> market that's become increasingly prominent in recent years., and it's seen >> as having historical or nostalgia-value. A very few illustrators in the >> past have achieved dominance in terms of market-saturation. Because of his >> Saturday Evening Post covers Rockwell was one of these, perhaps >> pre-eminently. They come to be seen as a part of the artistic landscape. >> Kincade has no presence at all in the minds of the taste-makers and >> curators. >> >> Put it another way, Norman Rockwell was always present in terms of both >> images and name recognition for Americans of several generations, including >> my own. I've seen Kincade images from time to time, but I always thought >> they were ground out by the kitsch mills of China. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stephen russell >> Sent: Apr 8, 2012 12:59 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Painter of Light is dead >> >> You'll find Norman Rockwell portraits in the presidential gallery at the >> Museum of American Art. He did Nixon. I think Warhol did Carter. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From bobgrumman Mon Apr 9 09:07:52 2012 From: bobgrumman (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:07:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333926308.10068.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333926308.10068.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh Mon Apr 9 13:42:11 2012 From: tomasocarthaigh (=?utf-8?B?VG9tw6FzIMOTIEPDoXJ0aGFpZ2g=?=) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu In-Reply-To: <1333856610.60704.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333993331.33280.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Common sense should tell people its the government of Israel that's criticised, and not the people. They do abuse the victim card, being victims of the Holocaust it is important that they do not become as bad as those who oppressed them. I was in a similar furore over my poem about the embargo breaking convoy (see link below) that got me banned from a few websites with complaints citing anti-semitism when in fact it was criticism of the state of israel, and not the Israeli people. The government of Israel is very - in my opinion - supremacist in its actions and opinions, and a bit of criticism, even from a German like Grass is no harm every now and again... Tom ? ? --- On Sun, 8/4/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, 8 April, 2012, 4:43 the articule didn't print the poem. Too bad, but good for Gunter, an excellent noveliest, and a decent (skilled) poet. --- On Sat, 4/7/12, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 11:43 AM http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jNHlF3MmQalAMzPLYkCMAFw0n7sw?docId=96f7ecd6b556462e9a71be7231ba0f73 Grass says critical poem meant to target Netanyahu By JUERGEN BAETZ, Associated Press ? 1 hour ago BERLIN (AP) ? German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass, under fire for a poem that sharply criticized Israel, said he was singling out the Jewish state's government, not the country as a whole. The poem drew sharp rebukes at home and from Israel, including accusations of being anti-Semitic, but Grass received praise from a senior Iranian official Saturday. In the poem published in European dailies Wednesday, the 84-year-old German author criticized? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Mon Apr 9 13:40:25 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Message-ID: <1333993225.19059.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files Mon Apr 9 14:23:42 2012 From: poet_in_hell_files (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333993225.19059.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in other words -- ? ? Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM ? join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen.? The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year.? To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tracy Grinnell Brenda Iijima Molly Gaudry Sina Queyras Mathias Svalina Matt Yeager Elisa Gabbert Vanessa Place Janaka Stucky Mike Young Metta Sama Lauren Hunter Jennifer Bartlett Sommer Browning Paul Legault Ana Bozicevic Amy King Anna Moschovakis Justin Marks Matvei Yankelevich Sampson Starkweather Julia Cohen Paige Taggart Chris Tonelli Corina Copp Eileen Myles Kazim Ali Tonya Foster Giovanni Singleton Dodie Bellamy Julie Patton Treasure Shields Redmond Alice Quinn Gloria Frym Patricia Lockwood Cheryl Strayed Joshua Marie Wilkinson Peter Gizzi & Clay Banes Kimiko Hahn & Nicole Cooley Brian Teare Christopher Salerno Timothy Yu Bruce Covey Agape Redwood Annie Finch ~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Mon Apr 9 14:33:46 2012 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's Harriet blog + AWP Conference Video + Adrienne Rich + Poetry Society of America + PEN Poetry Series Message-ID: <1333996426.6413.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Alan Gilbert reviews? I Want to Make You Safe? @ Poetry Foundation's? Harriet - "... but the truly cool kids were the more independent agents like ..." Continued here -- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2012/04/amy-king-i-want-to-make-you-safe/ ~~~~~~ "This Opera of Peace"? read @ AWP Conference in Chicago - 2012? via?? Vimeo? -? http://vimeo.com/39944590??? and?? Youtube - http://youtu.be/I9s63AVZzNg Starring (in order of appearance): Annie Finch Saeed Jones Daniel Nester Patricia Spears Jones Cole Swensen R. Erica Doyle Cate Marvin Brent Cuningham Danielle Pafunda Jamaal May GC Waldrep Ryan Doyle May James Yeh Matt Hart E. Tracy Grinnell Brenda Iijima Molly Gaudry Sina Queyras Mathias Svalina Matt Yeager Elisa Gabbert Vanessa Place Janaka Stucky Mike Young Metta Sama Lauren Hunter Jennifer Bartlett Sommer Browning Paul Legault Ana Bozicevic Amy King Anna Moschovakis Justin Marks Matvei Yankelevich Sampson Starkweather Julia Cohen Paige Taggart Chris Tonelli Corina Copp Eileen Myles Kazim Ali Tonya Foster Giovanni Singleton Dodie Bellamy Julie Patton Treasure Shields Redmond Alice Quinn Gloria Frym Patricia Lockwood Cheryl Strayed Joshua Marie Wilkinson Peter Gizzi & Clay Banes Kimiko Hahn & Nicole Cooley Brian Teare Christopher Salerno Timothy Yu Bruce Covey Agape Redwood Annie Finch ~~~~~~ PEN American - Adrienne Rich tribute Round-up? --?? http://www.pen.org/blog/?cat=335 ~~~~~~ Poetry Society of America - http://www.poetrysociety.org/psa/poetry/crossroads/red_white_blue_poets_on_politics/ana_bo_i_evi/ Ana Bo?i?evi?'s? 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First let me note that after the sentences I quoted, Kenner quotes from Pound's Canto 52 "Stinkschuld sin drawing vengeance, poor yitts paying for Stinkschuld/paying for a few big jews' vendetta on goyim" [let me note that when I read something like this I become more sympathetic to my late father's lament: "can't poets write about Spring anymore?"] I read the Pound quote as positing that it's within the realm of the not-totally-bizarre for leaders, or a populist groundswell, to want to confine any Jew they can find if they can't get their hands on people they think of as bad, powerful Jews. Pound, at least when in such a mood, may have found this reprehensible, but he thought of it as an understandable tragedy. What he didn't find it to be is absolutely bizarre--as he would presumably find rounding up lots of Italians in a country because the judicial system was having trouble jailing members of the Cosa Nostra. And so I find it very problematic that Kenner finds something creditable in this line of thought. Later on page 465 of? _The Pound Era_, "Correctly or not, it attempted a diagnosis, and one tending rather to decrease than to encourage anti-Semitism". ?? ________________________ BTW, I recall Professor Al Cook at SUNY/Buffalo indicating that Kenner used to threaten students with an "F" if they used the word "fascism" when writing about Pound. So I used to fantasize about taking a class with Kenner and writing about Pound's relation to F_________. rom: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hugh Kenner On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > > All that said, it is absolutely nauseating that Kenner on page 464/465 of > _The Pound Era_ writes the following: "The Rothschilds, who had defeated > Napoleon, were long-standing archetypes: despised outsiders who had come to > master those who snubbed them...Hitler jailed no Rothschilds, and Pound > thought that the poor Jews whom German resentment drove into concentration > camps* were suffering for the sins of their inaccessible coreligionists". > > * [Kenner's footnote] Places not yet (1938) committed to a policy of > extermination. News of that policy, when it was instituted, no more reached > Rapallo than it did most of Germany. > > ------------------ > > That 'logic'--round up the Jews you can find if you feel the Rothschilds are > evil and inaccesible-- evidently then? made some sort of sense to Mr. Kenner > as well as Pound! I'm not following your leap from the quote to conclusion here. But, I really just wanted to add that _The Counterfeiters: An Historical Comedy_ is one of the best nonfiction books ever written. Period. And more important today, in light of technology "advances" and their influence on culture, than it was at the time... c > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Mon Apr 9 18:20:36 2012 From: bobgrumman (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:20:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333995822.27780.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I actually took a college course in Zinn?s book, Stephen. Propagandistic rubbish. The problem is the gimme gimme attitude not just of corporate baddies, but of governments forcing people to buy diplomas from colleges in order to get the better-paying jobs and the colleges taking advantage of it with idiotically high tuition costs; labor unions driving corporations into bankruptcy; both parties buying votes with bread, circuses and health insurance; welfare careerists demanding two cars and three televisions and permanent retirement; lawyers making laws requiring more lawyers and higher fees for lawyers; drugs outlawed to allow the mafia to gouge addicts (who are no worse than the many other kinds of addicts in our society), and all the victim groups demanding special privileges and getting them because they?re voters and consumers. The only hope I see is outer space?a livable planet which born slaves and born slave-masters are somehow prevented from going to. Last rant on this topic. --Bob From: stephen russell Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 2:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy in other words -- Are we locked into a rightward-sliding two-party paradigm for the rest of history? What if millions of voters began to think outside of the two parties? --- On Mon, 4/9/12, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:40 PM Bob, the occupiers are for as much freedom as possible, and against corporate control, which amounts to making most people wage slaves. Lots of old time anarchist in the movement. Wobblies. Read Howard Zinn's The Peoples History of the United States. The thoughts expressed in Zinn's remarkable history are a forerunner of the movement. He coined the term the 99% long before Occupied. --- On Mon, 4/9/12, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems are essential to democracy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 9:07 AM join Occupied, Bob. The poetry thing is so 20th century. Write propaganda. Buy a tent. I?m more nineteenth-century, Stephen. The occupiers are against freedom, I?m for it, even though it can result in people like me making no more than seven grand a year. To say more would require a book on econoomics, and I got too much, uh, occupying me to do one. --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames Mon Apr 9 20:11:48 2012 From: jforjames (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy In-Reply-To: <14775718.1333997076213.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14775718.1333997076213.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CEE4C5A7E87D92-26F0-47E0@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> The parliamentary model (UK, Isreal, etc) is multi-party...but I'm not sure the results are really different/better from the two-party model. I'm sure there are various versions of this aphorism (here's mine): The only problem with utopia is the people -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: Poems are essential to democracy Yes we are, unless we radically rewrite the constitution, doing away with voting by states, the vast disparities of representation favoring the least populated areas, and winner take all elections. But it's not going to happen. More modest goals could be achieved, but not by just expressing sentiments akin to those of past movements which also had specific proposals and a plan of action. -----O