From halvard at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 00:10:13 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:10:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Truck rolls on into September Message-ID: Truck rolls on into September Thank you, Ken Wolman, for guiding *Truck* during August. Our new driver, taking over tomorrow, is Michael Tod Edgerton. I think you'll find the keys under the driver's seat, Michael. *?Buen viaje!* * http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/* * *Note: Seeing Truck through to the end of the year will be Kelly Cherry, Andrew Burke, and Lewis LaCook. Serving the tri-state area. 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A simple blurbish post will do. > Finnegan No time to research it now, Finnegan, but I'm pretty sure Abramson has written what seem to me very limited discussions of contemporary poetry. I suppose lists are okay, but I get little out of them except further support for my belief that very few poetry critics are interested in the full continuum of contemporary poetry. I dislike lists that just blurb--I want to know more before I visit what's being blurbed. I especially dislike lists of blurbs as substitutes for serious considerations of poetry in publications that it seems to me should be doing serious considerations. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nic_sebastian at hotmail.com Thu Sep 1 14:44:38 2011 From: nic_sebastian at hotmail.com (Nic Sebastian) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:44:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions or your poems are dying to be a videopoem triptych In-Reply-To: <8CE3591DE5AD8AC-21D4-13D08@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3591DE5AD8AC-21D4-13D08@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Do you have a group of three poems you?d like to have published as videopoems? They could be three of your own poems, a set of three separate-but-related poems by you and two other poets, or a set of three poems written collaboratively by two or more poets. Whale Sound, Cello Dreams and Swoon are looking for poems with which to create a videopoem triptych. We are a trio of artists ? Nic Sebastian, poet/reader; Kathy McTavish, musician; and Swoon, film-maker ? who have come together to pioneer this novel method of poetry publication. Flight, a videopoem based on a poem by Helen Vitoria, is an example of our collaboration. To get a sense of how your videopoem triptych would look and sound after publication, visit Night Vision. Send 3 to 5 poems in the body of an email to Nic at nic_sebastian at hotmail dot com or Swoon at swoonbildos at gmail dot com. Best, Nic Nic Sebastian Whale Sound Forever Will End on Thursday -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 14:47:19 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] 10 "Recent" Books of Poetry You Should ReadRightNow In-Reply-To: <4E5F68E8.4000009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <1314902839.73930.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I don't think the blurbs are substitutes for serious considerations of poetry, they merely act as advertisments. ?That may?sound cheap, but it's how the?game works. Or so I've been told. ?Few publications bother with poetry. It simply doesn't sell. ? Perhaps some blurbs may actually lead to something worthwhile. I wouldn't count on it, but it's possible. ? Btw, sorry for the infantile posts the other day. I somtimes?make the mistake of typing in loud rooms. Around rowdy friends. --- On Thu, 9/1/11, Bob Grumman wrote: From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 10 "Recent" Books of Poetry You Should ReadRightNow To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 7:13 AM On 8/31/2011 7:27 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Excuse that last errant?email... ? Any review/criticism is subjective to a degree. Abramson?is citing?some books he recommends that other readers?look at. Books he's obviously read with enjoyment.?I don't see any problem?with that. Bob you are welcome, on this list, to do the same thing. Promote a book you think others on the list should read. No in depth exegsis required. A simple?blurbish post?will do. ? Finnegan No time to research it now, Finnegan, but I'm pretty sure Abramson has written what seem to me very limited discussions of contemporary poetry.? I suppose lists are okay, but I get little out of them except further support for my belief that very few poetry critics are interested in the full continuum of contemporary poetry.? I dislike lists that just blurb--I want to know more before I visit what's being blurbed.? I especially dislike lists of blurbs as substitutes for serious considerations of poetry in publications that it seems to me should be doing serious considerations. --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 20:08:48 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?VG9tw6FzIMOTIEPDoXJ0aGFpZ2g=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions or your poems are dying to be a videopoem triptych In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1314922128.64613.YahooMailClassic@web161616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I got a ton up on YouTube at http://www.YouTube.com/tomasocarthaigh "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? --- On Thu, 1/9/11, Nic Sebastian wrote: From: Nic Sebastian Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions or your poems are dying to be a videopoem triptych To: "New Poetry" Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 19:44 Do you have a group of three poems you?d like to have published as videopoems? They could be three of your own poems, a set of three separate-but-related poems by you and two other poets, or a set of three poems written collaboratively by two or more poets.?Whale Sound, Cello Dreams?and?Swoon?are looking for poems with which to create a videopoem triptych.?We are a trio of artists ??Nic Sebastian, poet/reader;?Kathy McTavish, musician; and?Swoon, film-maker ? who have come together to pioneer this novel method of poetry publication.?Flight, a videopoem based on a poem by Helen Vitoria, is an example of our collaboration.?To get a sense of how your videopoem triptych would look and sound after publication, visit?Night Vision. ?Send 3 to 5 poems in the body of an email to Nic at nic_sebastian at hotmail dot com or Swoon at swoonbildos at gmail dot com. Best, Nic Nic Sebastian Whale Sound Forever Will End on Thursday -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 09:30:04 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:30:04 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions or your poems are dying to be a videopoem triptych In-Reply-To: <1314922128.64613.YahooMailClassic@web161616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1314922128.64613.YahooMailClassic@web161616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good poems, Tomas, well read and well written. 2011/9/2 Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > I got a ton up on YouTube at http://www.YouTube.com/tomasocarthaigh > > *"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" * > > ------------------------------ > > - www.writingsinrhyme.com *:::* Add me on Facebook > * :::* My YouTube Videos > > > > * > * > > > --- On *Thu, 1/9/11, Nic Sebastian * wrote: > > > From: Nic Sebastian > Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions or your poems are dying to be a > videopoem triptych > To: "New Poetry" > Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 19:44 > > > Do you have a group of three poems you?d like to have published as > videopoems? They could be three of your own poems, a set of three > separate-but-related poems by you and two other poets, or a set of three > poems written collaboratively by two or more poets. *Whale Sound, Cello > Dreams* and *Swoon* are looking for poems with which to create a videopoem > triptych. We are a trio of artists ? Nic Sebastian, > poet/reader; Kathy McTavish , musician; and > Swoon , film-maker ? who have come together > to pioneer this novel method of poetry publication. Flight, > a videopoem based on a poem by Helen Vitoria, is an example of our > collaboration. To get a sense of how your videopoem triptych would look > and sound after publication, visit Night Vision. > Send 3 to 5 poems in the body of an email to Nic at nic_sebastian at > hotmail dot com or Swoon at swoonbildos at gmail dot com. > > Best, Nic > > > Nic Sebastian > > Whale Sound > > Forever Will End on Thursday > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Sep 2 14:12:56 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 14:12:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowship Winners Announced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE37B312E97887-A1C-4F0BC@webmail-d164.sysops.aol.com> Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view it in your web browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 1, 2011 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowship Winners Announced $75,000 in prizes awarded to five young poets CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation and Poetry magazine are pleased to announce the five recipients of 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowships: Olivia Clare, T. Zachary Cotler, Farnoosh Fathi, Alison Seay, and Marcus Wicker. Among the largest awards offered to aspiring poets in the United States, the $15,000 scholarship prize is intended to encourage the further study and writing of poetry. The editors of Poetry magazine selected the winning manuscripts from more than 1,000 submissions. In announcing the winners, Poetry senior editor Don Share said, ?Each year the competition grows larger?and stronger. We?re extremely pleased that the 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowships will recognize this diverse and talented group of younger poets.? Editor Christian Wiman added, ?The subjects and aesthetics of these writers are as various as their backgrounds, but there are two qualities they all share: excellence and promise. You?ll be hearing a lot from these writers in the years to come.? Olivia Clare was born in New York and raised in Louisiana. She received a BA from UC Berkeley and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. Her work has appeared in Southern Review, London Magazine, Poetry, FIELD, and other journals. T. Zachary Cotler was born in Passaic, New Jersey, in 1981. He received a BA from Cornell University and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. His first collection of poems is House with a Dark Sky Roof (2011), and he has just completed the novel Ghost at the Loom. His poems have appeared in Poetry, The Paris Review, Narrative, and elsewhere. He is a founding editor of The Winter Anthology. Farnoosh Fathi was born in 1981 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to Iranian parents and raised in California. She has a master?s degree from New York University and a PhD in creative writing and literature from the University of Houston. Her poems, translations, and prose have appeared in Tin House, Boston Review, Fence, Circumference, Jacket2, The Brooklyn Rail, and elsewhere. Allison Seay was born in Richmond, Virginia, in 1980. She earned a BA from Mary Washington College (now University of Mary Washington) and an MFA from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, where she later worked as assistant director of the MFA program and associate editor of The Greensboro Review. Her writing has been published in such journals as The Southern Review and Pleiades, among others. Marcus Wicker was born in 1984 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. He received a BA from Western Michigan University and an MFA from Indiana University. A recipient of fellowships from Cave Canem and the Fine Arts Work Center, he has published poems in Poetry, Beloit, Crab Orchard Review, and elsewhere. These five emerging voices will be featured in Poetry magazine?s November issue and on www.poetryfoundation.org. The Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program is organized and administered by the Poetry Foundation in Chicago, publisher of Poetry magazine. About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship Program Established in 1989 by Ruth Lilly to encourage the further writing and study of poetry, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program has dramatically expanded since its inception. Until 1995, university writing programs nationwide each nominated one student poet for a single fellowship; from 1996 until 2007, two fellowships were awarded. In 2008 the competition was opened to all U.S. poets between 21 and 31 years of age, and the number of fellowships increased to five, totaling $75,000. About Poetry Founded in Chicago by Harriet Monroe in 1912, Poetry is the oldest monthly devoted to verse in the English-speaking world. Monroe?s ?Open Door? policy, set forth in Volume 1 of the magazine, remains the most succinct statement of Poetry ?s mission: to print the best poetry written today, in whatever style, genre, or approach. The magazine established its reputation early by publishing the first important poems of T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Marianne Moore, Wallace Stevens, H.D., William Carlos Williams, Carl Sandburg, and other now-classic authors. In succeeding decades it has presented?often for the first time?works by virtually every major contemporary poet. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine, is an independent literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative literary prizes and programs. For more information, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. View this release online. View this release online. 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Sep 2 07:50:44 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 10 "Recent" Books of Poetry You Should ReadRightNow In-Reply-To: <1314902839.73930.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1314902839.73930.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think the blurbs are substitutes for serious considerations of poetry, they merely act as advertisments. That may sound cheap, but it's how the game works. Or so I've been told. Few publications bother with poetry. It simply doesn't sell. Perhaps some blurbs may actually lead to something worthwhile. I wouldn't count on it, but it's possible. ****Whatever they lead to, they can't lead to anything as good as a reflective serious analysis of some aspect of the poem. The blurb takes up space that such a response could be in, and thus should be opposed by anyone serious about poetry. 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Zachary Cotler, Farnoosh Fathi, Alison Seay, and Marcus Wicker. Among the largest awards offered to aspiring poets in the United States, the $15,000 scholarship prize is intended to encourage the further study and writing of poetry. The editors of Poetry magazine selected the winning manuscripts from more than 1,000 submissions. In announcing the winners, Poetry senior editor Don Share said, ?Each year the competition grows larger?and stronger. We?re extremely pleased that the 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowships will recognize this diverse and talented group of younger poets.? Editor Christian Wiman added, ?The subjects and aesthetics of these writers are as various as their backgrounds, but there are two qualities they all share: excellence and promise. You?ll be hearing a lot from these writers in the years to come.? Olivia Clare was born in New York and raised in Louisiana. She received a BA from UC Berkeley and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. Her work has appeared in Southern Review, London Magazine, Poetry, FIELD, and other journals. T. Zachary Cotler was born in Passaic, New Jersey, in 1981. He received a BA from Cornell University and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. His first collection of poems is House with a Dark Sky Roof (2011), and he has just completed the novel Ghost at the Loom. His poems have appeared in Poetry, The Paris Review, Narrative, and elsewhere. He is a founding editor of The Winter Anthology. Farnoosh Fathi was born in 1981 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to Iranian parents and raised in California. She has a master?s degree from New York University and a PhD in creative writing and literature from the University of Houston. Her poems, translations, and prose have appeared in Tin House, Boston Review, Fence, Circumference, Jacket2, The Brooklyn Rail, and elsewhere. Allison Seay was born in Richmond, Virginia, in 1980. She earned a BA from Mary Washington College (now University of Mary Washington) and an MFA from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, where she later worked as assistant director of the MFA program and associate editor of The Greensboro Review. Her writing has been published in such journals as The Southern Review and Pleiades, among others. Marcus Wicker was born in 1984 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. He received a BA from Western Michigan University and an MFA from Indiana University. A recipient of fellowships from Cave Canem and the Fine Arts Work Center, he has published poems in Poetry, Beloit, Crab Orchard Review, and elsewhere. These five emerging voices will be featured in Poetry magazine?s November issue and on www.poetryfoundation.org. The Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program is organized and administered by the Poetry Foundation in Chicago, publisher of Poetry magazine. About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship Program Established in 1989 by Ruth Lilly to encourage the further writing and study of poetry, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program has dramatically expanded since its inception. Until 1995, university writing programs nationwide each nominated one student poet for a single fellowship; from 1996 until 2007, two fellowships were awarded. In 2008 the competition was opened to all U.S. poets between 21 and 31 years of age, and the number of fellowships increased to five, totaling $75,000. About Poetry Founded in Chicago by Harriet Monroe in 1912, Poetry is the oldest monthly devoted to verse in the English-speaking world. Monroe?s ?Open Door? policy, set forth in Volume 1 of the magazine, remains the most succinct statement of Poetry ?s mission: to print the best poetry written today, in whatever style, genre, or approach. The magazine established its reputation early by publishing the first important poems of T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Marianne Moore, Wallace Stevens, H.D., William Carlos Williams, Carl Sandburg, and other now-classic authors. In succeeding decades it has presented?often for the first time?works by virtually every major contemporary poet. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine, is an independent literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative literary prizes and programs. For more information, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. View this release online. Forward to a friend Find us on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Contact POETRY FOUNDATION 61 West Superior Street Chicago, IL 60654 312.799.8016 Media Contact: Stephanie Hlywak Discover more poetry Sign up to receive the latest Poetry Foundation news, articles, and releases. You have received this newsletter because you submitted your email address at http://www.poetryfoundation.org. You may unsubscribe or change your newsletter subscription preferences at any time. Copyright ? 2011 Poetry Foundation | 61 West Superior Street, Chicago, IL 60654 ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:12 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: 2011 Ruth Lilly FellowshipWinners Announced Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view it in your web browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 1, 2011 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowship Winners Announced $75,000 in prizes awarded to five young poets CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation and Poetry magazine are pleased to announce the five recipients of 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowships: Olivia Clare, T. Zachary Cotler, Farnoosh Fathi, Alison Seay, and Marcus Wicker. Among the largest awards offered to aspiring poets in the United States, the $15,000 scholarship prize is intended to encourage the further study and writing of poetry. The editors of Poetry magazine selected the winning manuscripts from more than 1,000 submissions. In announcing the winners, Poetry senior editor Don Share said, ?Each year the competition grows larger?and stronger. We?re extremely pleased that the 2011 Ruth Lilly Fellowships will recognize this diverse and talented group of younger poets.? Editor Christian Wiman added, ?The subjects and aesthetics of these writers are as various as their backgrounds, but there are two qualities they all share: excellence and promise. You?ll be hearing a lot from these writers in the years to come.? Olivia Clare was born in New York and raised in Louisiana. She received a BA from UC Berkeley and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. Her work has appeared in Southern Review, London Magazine, Poetry, FIELD, and other journals. T. Zachary Cotler was born in Passaic, New Jersey, in 1981. He received a BA from Cornell University and an MFA from the Iowa Writers? Workshop. His first collection of poems is House with a Dark Sky Roof (2011), and he has just completed the novel Ghost at the Loom. His poems have appeared in Poetry, The Paris Review, Narrative, and elsewhere. He is a founding editor of The Winter Anthology. Farnoosh Fathi was born in 1981 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to Iranian parents and raised in California. She has a master?s degree from New York University and a PhD in creative writing and literature from the University of Houston. Her poems, translations, and prose have appeared in Tin House, Boston Review, Fence, Circumference, Jacket2, The Brooklyn Rail, and elsewhere. Allison Seay was born in Richmond, Virginia, in 1980. She earned a BA from Mary Washington College (now University of Mary Washington) and an MFA from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, where she later worked as assistant director of the MFA program and associate editor of The Greensboro Review. Her writing has been published in such journals as The Southern Review and Pleiades, among others. Marcus Wicker was born in 1984 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. He received a BA from Western Michigan University and an MFA from Indiana University. A recipient of fellowships from Cave Canem and the Fine Arts Work Center, he has published poems in Poetry, Beloit, Crab Orchard Review, and elsewhere. These five emerging voices will be featured in Poetry magazine?s November issue and on www.poetryfoundation.org. The Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program is organized and administered by the Poetry Foundation in Chicago, publisher of Poetry magazine. About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship Program Established in 1989 by Ruth Lilly to encourage the further writing and study of poetry, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship program has dramatically expanded since its inception. Until 1995, university writing programs nationwide each nominated one student poet for a single fellowship; from 1996 until 2007, two fellowships were awarded. In 2008 the competition was opened to all U.S. poets between 21 and 31 years of age, and the number of fellowships increased to five, totaling $75,000. About Poetry Founded in Chicago by Harriet Monroe in 1912, Poetry is the oldest monthly devoted to verse in the English-speaking world. Monroe?s ?Open Door? policy, set forth in Volume 1 of the magazine, remains the most succinct statement of Poetry ?s mission: to print the best poetry written today, in whatever style, genre, or approach. The magazine established its reputation early by publishing the first important poems of T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Marianne Moore, Wallace Stevens, H.D., William Carlos Williams, Carl Sandburg, and other now-classic authors. In succeeding decades it has presented?often for the first time?works by virtually every major contemporary poet. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine, is an independent literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. 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You're always surprising us. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Sep 3 13:07:57 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Message-ID: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, here's the page url that I am looking at: http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our time? Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But not being able to find the truth, not feeling capable of such a quest, not feeling qualified to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this generation." ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 13:28:38 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 19:28:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Of homunculi and shibboleths (and poetry, too) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From Camille Martin: Hello, all. To make it easier for anyone interested in my essays on poetry, poetics, experimental film, cognitive science, and culture (especially New Orleans and Cajun). I've added a list of links to my blog, Rogue Embryo). Below is the current list of more than forty essays and reviews (time for a book?). Links can be found here: http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com/my-essays-and-reviews/ Comments welcome! Cheers, Camille Martin 1) Poetics / Culture of Poetry ? Musicality in Poetry ? We are all Walloon poets ? Poetry?s 49th Parallel: Canadian/American Shibboleths ? The Majlis Collaborative Experience ? On Homunculi, Steam Locomotives, and Hans Clodhopper (interview) ? The Fledgling Book Flies the Nest 2) Reviews and Close Readings ? Ken Belford?s Decompositions: Intelligent Nature ? Charles Borkhuis: ?Write What I Say? ? Besmilr Brigham: The Place of Place ? Joel Chace: Cleaning the Mirror ? ?G? is for Genre: Maxine Chernoff?s Todorov ? Robert Creeley and Francesco Clemente?s Anamorphosis: Death and the Stuff of Dreams ? Connie Deanovich?s Essence of Saint ? Pixel-Gene Hybridity: David Dowker?s Machine Language ? ?how many years without death?: Larry Eigner?s memento mori ? Samuel Greenberg: The Lowly Eye ? Samuel Greenberg?s Braided Secrets ? Barbara Guest?s Musicalities ? Anselm Hollo: ?Hard to say whether the jars?ve gotten any lighter.? ? Trevor Joyce: Let them eat fire ? Signifying the Tradition: Kaie Kellough?s Maple Leaf Rag ? Bill Knott?s Strong-Lined Sonnets ? Ann Lauterbach?s Pilgrim of Desire ? Rupert Loydell: Empty Lawns and Battered Days ? ?I know I am traveling all the time?: The Twilight Dreams of Artur Lundquist ? Kimberly Lyons? Fleeting Continuum ? Joseph Massey: The Language of Desire to Speak ? Meredith Quartermain?s Martian Feast ? Miklos Radnoti (1909 ? 1944) ? Monty Reid?s The Luskville Reductions: Poems from a Phantom Settlement ? Reading the Minds of Events: Leslie Scalapino?s Plural Time ? Remembering remembering Leslie Scalapino ? Adam Seelig?s Every Day in the Morning (Slow) ? Poetic Polyphony in Scott Thurston?s Internal Rhyme ? Alberta Turner: What do you mean, mean? ? Robert Zend?s Daymares: Dreams Report the Bankruptcy of Words 3) Experimental Film ? Decasia: The Seeds of Destruction ? Extreme Inefficiency of the Rube Goldberg Machine: Peter Fischli and David Weiss?s The Way Things Go 4) Cognitive Science ? I. From Motorcycle to Biopsy: The Messy Desk of the Mind ? II. ?I hate my birthday!??Or, what do elegies by New York school poets have in common with the story of an Italian anarchist? ? Hypnagogic Dreams: John Franklin?s Fig Newton on a Piano Stool 5) Culture (New Orleans, Cajun) ? Passion Flowers, Gulf Fritillary Butterflies, and Cultural Exoticism ? Fat Tuesday, Krewe of St. Anne: A Photo Essay ? One Stop Shopping: Tuxedos and Po-Boys ? All That Glitters on the Spiderweb: Myth, Race, and Denial ? St. Roch Chapel in New Orleans, a Parallel Universe ? Parallel Universes Redux ? St. Joseph?s Altar in New Orleans, a Hybrid Feast ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 14:01:48 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:01:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I would first ask him to supply a line of reasoning that links his three major questions. Secondly, quit using "duende." It's like fashion clothes. Thirdly, is AWP a job creator? - Jim On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:07 AM, David Graham wrote: > The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called > "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an > Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a > good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. > > Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their > eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, > here's the page url that I am looking at: > http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's > likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. > > I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as > I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely > on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's > arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently > pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. > But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in > this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" > have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. > > Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: > > "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary > American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class > manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of > powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more > insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the > acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in > MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result > is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make > declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the > Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on > the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The > hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. > Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our > time? > > Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it > means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the > urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But > not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a quest, > not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind > of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is > this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be > joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? > > The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, > and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our > national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness > are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this > generation." > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 14:01:48 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:01:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I would first ask him to supply a line of reasoning that links his three major questions. Secondly, quit using "duende." It's like fashion clothes. Thirdly, is AWP a job creator? - Jim On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:07 AM, David Graham wrote: > The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called > "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an > Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a > good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. > > Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their > eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, > here's the page url that I am looking at: > http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's > likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. > > I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as > I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely > on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's > arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently > pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. > But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in > this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" > have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. > > Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: > > "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary > American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class > manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of > powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more > insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the > acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in > MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result > is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make > declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the > Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on > the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The > hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. > Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our > time? > > Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it > means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the > urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But > not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a quest, > not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind > of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is > this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be > joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? > > The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, > and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our > national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness > are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this > generation." > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have said 98.2% accuracy, for I forgot that most superior poets begin with imitations of the praised poems of the day. But these five seem to have been around long enough to have shown signs of better things by now if capable of it. And those Poetry people are awfully good at sniffing out any potential for non-mediocrity in a poet before giving money to the poet. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Sep 3 14:36:40 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:36:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Message-ID: <10647596.1315075001134.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sat Sep 3 14:52:19 2011 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 13:52:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <10647596.1315075001134.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10647596.1315075001134.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: So you have to read something before discussing? How pre-modern.... =================== David Graham Grahamd at ripon.edu Home page: http://web.me.com/drjazz ==================== On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "junction at earthlink.net" wrote: > Those of us who don't buy trade journals are pretty much left out of this discussion. > > ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tend to like Hoagland's essays far more than his poems in recent years. -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School The devil's in the details. -----Original Message----- From: "Graham, David" Sent: Sep 3, 2011 2:52 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School So you have to read something before discussing? How pre-modern.... =================== David Graham Grahamd at ripon.edu Home page: http://web.me.com/drjazz ==================== On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "junction at earthlink.net" wrote: Those of us who don't buy trade journals are pretty much left out of this discussion. ----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Sep 3 16:27:55 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:27:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Message-ID: <21866898.1315081675437.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htthinc at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 17:15:17 2011 From: htthinc at gmail.com (Paul Howell) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:15:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called > "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an > Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a > good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. > > Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their > eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, > here's the page url that I am looking at: > http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's > likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. > > I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as > I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely > on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's > arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently > pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. > But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in > this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" > have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. > > Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: > > "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary > American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class > manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of > powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more > insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the > acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in > MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result > is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make > declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the > Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on > the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The > hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. > Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our > time? > > Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it > means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the > urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But > not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a quest, > not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind > of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is > this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be > joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? > > The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, > and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our > national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness > are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this > generation." > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Sep 3 17:28:09 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:28:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair sample of that-- "Contemporary Mannerisms What are some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as characteristic poses. Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine Fence, from a poem called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: ix He called his stapler ?Hegel? They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego The chain passed smoothly over the teeth The text opened into sentences If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden He pastiched his way to a cult following They said he had fourteen days to vacate He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert art. So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of Fence, a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless style du jour: I saw a theft occur. I had just come through the glass doors. I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, The culprit brushed against me and making even strides across the parking lot disappeared into a tall field of grass under the glimmering stars. A man in uniform ran into me cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. Tears came then into his eyes.?5 Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as well as part of the story. It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not very deep, but more significant is the relative passivity of the speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience happens. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a half-dozen such poems?" --Tony Hoagland ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: > Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. > > Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, here's the page url that I am looking at: http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. > > I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. > > Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: > > "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our time? > Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But not being able to find the truth, not feeling capable of such a quest, not feeling qualified to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? > > The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this generation." > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 17:30:34 2011 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:30:34 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: What's the over/under on Bob saying that Hoagland is boneheaded without offering any evidence whatsoever to back his claim? What's the over/under that Bob says something dismissive about my comment, suggesting that if I really wanted to know what he thinks, I'd go read some obscure essay he posted on his blog? --Jeff Newberry On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, > here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary > conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples > of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair > sample of that-- > > "*Contemporary Mannerisms* > > What *are* some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which > passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me > name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by > the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of > hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy > and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as > characteristic poses. > > Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine *Fence*, from a poem > called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: > > ix > > He called his stapler ?Hegel? > They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego > The chain passed smoothly over the teeth > The text opened into sentences > If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden > He pastiched his way to a cult following > They said he had fourteen days to vacate > He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 > > This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, > addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School > poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. > Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in > itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert > art. > > So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of *Fence*, > a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless > style du jour: > > I saw a theft occur. > I had just come through the glass doors. > I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, > The culprit brushed against me and making > even strides across the parking lot > disappeared into a tall field of grass > under the glimmering stars. > > A man in uniform ran into me > cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get > out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. > I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. > I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. > Tears came then into his eyes.?5 > > Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, > proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation > New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record > are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy > Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as > well as part of the story. > > It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not > very deep, but more significant is the relative *passivity* of the > speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience * > happens*. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems > beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by > saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in > contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that > such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a > half-dozen such poems?" > > --Tony Hoagland > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: > > Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >> >> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their >> eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, >> here's the page url that I am looking at: >> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >> >> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as >> I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely >> on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's >> arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >> >> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: >> >> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >> time? >> >> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >> >> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >> generation." >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > What's the over/under on Bob saying that Hoagland is boneheaded without > offering any evidence whatsoever to back his claim? > > What's the over/under that Bob says something dismissive about my comment, > suggesting that if I really wanted to know what he thinks, I'd go read some > obscure essay he posted on his blog? > > --Jeff Newberry > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, >> here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary >> conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples >> of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair >> sample of that-- >> >> "*Contemporary Mannerisms* >> >> What *are* some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which >> passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me >> name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by >> the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of >> hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy >> and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as >> characteristic poses. >> >> Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine *Fence*, from a poem >> called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: >> >> ix >> >> He called his stapler ?Hegel? >> They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego >> The chain passed smoothly over the teeth >> The text opened into sentences >> If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden >> He pastiched his way to a cult following >> They said he had fourteen days to vacate >> He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 >> >> This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, >> addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School >> poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. >> Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in >> itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert >> art. >> >> So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of *Fence*, >> a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless >> style du jour: >> >> I saw a theft occur. >> I had just come through the glass doors. >> I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, >> The culprit brushed against me and making >> even strides across the parking lot >> disappeared into a tall field of grass >> under the glimmering stars. >> >> A man in uniform ran into me >> cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get >> out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. >> I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. >> I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. >> Tears came then into his eyes.?5 >> >> Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, >> proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation >> New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record >> are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy >> Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as >> well as part of the story. >> >> It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not >> very deep, but more significant is the relative *passivity* of the >> speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience * >> happens*. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems >> beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by >> saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in >> contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that >> such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a >> half-dozen such poems?" >> >> --Tony Hoagland >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: >> >> Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? >> >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >>> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >>> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >>> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >>> >>> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via >>> their eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP >>> members, here's the page url that I am looking at: >>> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >>> >>> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, >>> as I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails >>> squarely on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, >>> he's arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >>> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >>> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >>> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >>> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >>> >>> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his >>> argument: >>> >>> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >>> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >>> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >>> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >>> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >>> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >>> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >>> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >>> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >>> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >>> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >>> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >>> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >>> time? >>> >>> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >>> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >>> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >>> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >>> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >>> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >>> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >>> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >>> >>> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >>> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >>> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >>> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >>> generation." >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics > embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and > lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Sep 3 17:54:26 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4E62A212.1090504@louisiana.edu> I've been putting off, maybe indefinitely, reading Hoagland's essay, so I can't comment on it. (I have such temperamental and aesthetic differences with Hoagland that it's likely I never would have read it.) Of course, generally finding a poet dull as tapwater doesn't preclude finding something interesting in something he/she has written. But I wonder, David--the pieces you've quoted have referenced "stances of . . . tragedy and heroism." I suspect there's an argument _for_ such "stances," which he also calls "poses." I'm all for repudiating naive assumptions of authenticity, and for exploring a variety of voices, masks, subject positions, etc. (I'm reading a great manuscript by Buffalo poet Gail Fischer at the moment, and she do the police and everyone else in pretty extraordinary voices.) But if the essay _equates_ "voices" or even "stances" with "poses," then I feel like some of my suspicions are warranted. Poets who "pose" get on my nerves, too--that's a stance pretending to be authentic, I'd say. But you can't blame the New York School for that. In fact, opposing "stances of both tragedy and heroism [to the] the charms of melancholy and cluelessness" feels chillingly like a bid for high-culture approbation, as well as prep-school name-calling. Of course, having yapped, I'll read the essay myself as soon as I can, and beg everyone here to take the above as strictly tentative--maybe I'm just reading the excepts wrong. Jerry On 9/3/2011 4:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > .Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland > essay, here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was > his summary conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a > number of examples of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and > critiquing. Here is a fair sample of that-- > > "*Contemporary Mannerisms* > > What /are/ some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which > passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? > Let me name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often > embodied by the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and > 2) An affect of hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes > stances of both tragedy and heroism---offering, instead, the charms of > melancholy and cluelessness as characteristic poses. > -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 20:38:35 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:38:35 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: ". . . we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a half-dozen such poems?" My sentiments exactly. But, so what? - Jim On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, > here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary > conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples > of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair > sample of that-- > > "*Contemporary Mannerisms* > > What *are* some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which > passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me > name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by > the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of > hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy > and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as > characteristic poses. > > Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine *Fence*, from a poem > called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: > > ix > > He called his stapler ?Hegel? > They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego > The chain passed smoothly over the teeth > The text opened into sentences > If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden > He pastiched his way to a cult following > They said he had fourteen days to vacate > He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 > > This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, > addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School > poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. > Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in > itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert > art. > > So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of *Fence*, > a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless > style du jour: > > I saw a theft occur. > I had just come through the glass doors. > I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, > The culprit brushed against me and making > even strides across the parking lot > disappeared into a tall field of grass > under the glimmering stars. > > A man in uniform ran into me > cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get > out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. > I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. > I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. > Tears came then into his eyes.?5 > > Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, > proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation > New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record > are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy > Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as > well as part of the story. > > It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not > very deep, but more significant is the relative *passivity* of the > speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience * > happens*. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems > beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by > saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in > contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that > such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a > half-dozen such poems?" > > --Tony Hoagland > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: > > Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >> >> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their >> eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, >> here's the page url that I am looking at: >> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >> >> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as >> I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely >> on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's >> arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >> >> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: >> >> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >> time? >> >> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >> >> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >> generation." >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 20:38:35 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:38:35 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: ". . . we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a half-dozen such poems?" My sentiments exactly. But, so what? - Jim On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, > here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary > conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples > of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair > sample of that-- > > "*Contemporary Mannerisms* > > What *are* some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which > passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me > name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by > the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of > hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy > and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as > characteristic poses. > > Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine *Fence*, from a poem > called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: > > ix > > He called his stapler ?Hegel? > They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego > The chain passed smoothly over the teeth > The text opened into sentences > If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden > He pastiched his way to a cult following > They said he had fourteen days to vacate > He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 > > This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, > addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School > poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. > Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in > itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert > art. > > So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of *Fence*, > a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless > style du jour: > > I saw a theft occur. > I had just come through the glass doors. > I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, > The culprit brushed against me and making > even strides across the parking lot > disappeared into a tall field of grass > under the glimmering stars. > > A man in uniform ran into me > cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get > out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. > I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. > I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. > Tears came then into his eyes.?5 > > Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, > proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation > New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record > are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy > Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as > well as part of the story. > > It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not > very deep, but more significant is the relative *passivity* of the > speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience * > happens*. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems > beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by > saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in > contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that > such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a > half-dozen such poems?" > > --Tony Hoagland > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: > > Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >> >> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their >> eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, >> here's the page url that I am looking at: >> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >> >> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as >> I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely >> on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's >> arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >> >> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: >> >> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >> time? >> >> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >> >> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >> generation." >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Sep 3 21:17:13 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 21:17:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu>< 09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: What's the over/under on Bob saying that Hoagland is boneheaded without offering any evidence whatsoever to back his claim? Jeff, I presented the following Hoagland quotation as evidence that he knows very little about contemporary American poetry: "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary American poetry." True, as I did acknowledge, he said "if," but it seems to me he was arguing that contemporary American poetry lacks "heroism and commitment," which to me is obviously untrue. His "if" was in the line of "if what I argue is true, then . . ." I wouldn't fault you for claiming I didn't present sufficient evidence. Like examples of heroic, committed poetry. But I assumed every knowledgeable person reading my post would think of their own examples. Another problem would have been how to define "heroic" and "committed." Had anyone wanted seriously to discuss what I said (not that I really wanted anyone to!), I would have wanted to define terms. When I wrote the post, I assumed rather unreflectively that Hoagland simply meant poetry doing what NY poets did not do (most of the time)--basically I was thinking of what I consider heroic and committed about my own poetry--which I now suspect he wouldn't. In any case, it was just a post, not a measured Grand Statement. What's the over/under that Bob says something dismissive about my comment, suggesting that if I really wanted to know what he thinks, I'd go read some obscure essay he posted on his blog? You know, I really have not done that often. When I have, it's always been because some discussion I was in seemed to demand a large-scale utterance, and I happened to have one readily available. I also believe I rarely simply dismiss anyone's post; certainly, when I feel dismissive, Ioften express my feeling, but also indicate the reason for it. I don't feel too dismissive of you in this case even though you did nothing in your post except assert that I had expressed an unsupported opinions and write obscure essays which I wrongly think you'd be interested in, because you were just letting off steam, as I had. I might add that it now seems to me that my whole attitude toward poetry commentators like Hoagland would be much different if they stopped generalizing about contemporary poetry, which NONE of them is genuinely writing about. To make me happy, all they'd have to do is say things like "It seems to me that a large proportion of young American poets have gone wrong because, blah blah blah." I read a fair number of poetry commentators that don't bother me because they are unapologetically specialists--because they never or rarely make me think they think the poetry they are interested in is the only kind that counts. Denis Donoghue is one. He may be my favorite mainstream critic. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 07:10:15 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:10:15 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Type are you? Message-ID: http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140126278/know-this-headlines-font-youre-just-my-type -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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You're > always surprising us. > > > > > > Actually, I got carried away, David. I should have said 98.2% accuracy, > for I forgot that most superior poets begin with imitations of the praised > poems of the day. But these five seem to have been around long enough to > have shown signs of better things by now if capable of it. And those * > Poetry* people are awfully good at sniffing out any potential for > non-mediocrity in a poet before giving money to the poet. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 11:59:31 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:59:31 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I cannot recognize Philip K. Dick, an American author I have been reading this summer and writing ever since who grew up with the Berkley renaissance and Jack Spicer, in much of what Hoagland writes here. By Dick I cannot find any of the following: middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. There is no "shortage of the visionary" (!) the opposite I would say. And then, MFA programs have become the scapegoat of any critical discourse. Amen. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called > "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an > Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a > good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. > > Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their > eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, > here's the page url that I am looking at: > http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's > likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. > > I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as > I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely > on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's > arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently > pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. > But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in > this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" > have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. > > Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: > > "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary > American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class > manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of > powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more > insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the > acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in > MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result > is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make > declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the > Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on > the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The > hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. > Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our > time? > > Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it > means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the > urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But > not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a quest, > not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is another kind > of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our times is > this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and wit be > joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? > > The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, > and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our > national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness > are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this > generation." > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 12:53:39 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:53:39 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> <09A7AC01-FF2B-4918-9D38-AC9C23882213@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I must say that if these are the examples, poor Hoagland is right. Thanks for posting it. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:28 PM, David Graham wrote: > Since I am apparently the only one so far to have read the Hoagland essay, > here is another excerpt to chew on. What I posted earlier was his summary > conclusion. The body of the essay does circle around a number of examples > of the sort of poetry Hoagland is defining and critiquing. Here is a fair > sample of that-- > > "*Contemporary Mannerisms* > > What *are* some of the disadvantageous gestures and mannerisms which > passed from New York School poetics into our present day atmosphere? Let me > name them again: 1) The coy mannerism of distractedness, often embodied by > the device of parataxis (disjunction) and non sequitur and 2) An affect of > hapless unself-importance that effectively precludes stances of both tragedy > and heroism?offering, instead, the charms of melancholy and cluelessness as > characteristic poses. > > Here, for example, is a stanza from the magazine *Fence*, from a poem > called ?Thanks and Acknowledgements?: > > ix > > He called his stapler ?Hegel? > They adjusted the margins to accommodate his ego > The chain passed smoothly over the teeth > The text opened into sentences > If this were an actual emergency, it would be more sudden > He pastiched his way to a cult following > They said he had fourteen days to vacate > He?d like to think he beat them to the punch4 > > This goofiness, with its quick-sequenced non-sequitur enactment of clever, > addled adolescence, is one embodiment of latter-day New York School > poetics?it draws on the streak of absurdism that runs through the tradition. > Any reader of much contemporary poetry will recognize the manner?harmless in > itself, quirky-cute, a sherbet-flavored course of hallucinogenic dessert > art. > > So much for distractedness. On a nearby page in the same issue of *Fence*, > a poem called ?I Saw a Theft Occur? serves as an example of the more hapless > style du jour: > > I saw a theft occur. > I had just come through the glass doors. > I had come for my essentials: soap, shampoo, batteries, > The culprit brushed against me and making > even strides across the parking lot > disappeared into a tall field of grass > under the glimmering stars. > > A man in uniform ran into me > cursing. Idiot, he said, if you don?t get > out of the way I?ll blow your brains out. > I saw a theft occur. I said, the culprit brushed against me. > I had just come in. I had come for my essentials. > Tears came then into his eyes.?5 > > Yes, the inconsequentiality here is deliberate, part of an aesthetic joke, > proffered in the bland-faced tongue-in-cheek mode of the second generation > New York School. The neutered tone and the minutiae of the narrative record > are nutty and charming in a way that might be compared to the art of Andy > Warhol or Roy Lichtenstein. The speaker?s fecklessness is part of the art as > well as part of the story. > > It?s true that the self featured in both of these poetic instances are not > very deep, but more significant is the relative *passivity* of the > speakers; they are sweet-but-flattened someones to whom experience * > happens*. How can we find any power or subject matter in these poems > beyond the personality of speaker? We may dignify these performances by > saying they satirize and enact the breakdown of meaning and affect in > contemporary society, we can ?smarten up? our appreciation by noting that > such text exposes its own textuality?but who really cares, after reading a > half-dozen such poems?" > > --Tony Hoagland > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Paul Howell wrote: > > Wonder if he gets to spontaneity....? > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >> >> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their >> eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, >> here's the page url that I am looking at: >> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >> >> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as >> I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely >> on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's >> arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >> >> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: >> >> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >> time? >> >> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >> >> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >> generation." >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Sep 4 12:57:24 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:57:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4E63ADF4.4000704@louisiana.edu> Again, I haven't read the whole essay yet, but "the legacy's haplessness and daffiness are a compelling problem" strikes me as bizarre. "Haplessness" seems irrelevant to any discussion of poetry: it may be an existential condition or a psychological attitude (shared by all sorts of people, in either case, who aren't writers by avocation or profession). It sounds more like a personal gripe about temperament that shadows over into political attitudes--those "hapless" people who (what?) blame the government? Lack initiative? I'm guessing that this connects somehow with Hoagland's nostalgia, if that's what it is, for a more "heroic" or "tragic" voice--but I _am_ guessing. As to "daffiness," that's just an ad hominem, as far as I can tell. (And who do _you_ prefer, Bugs or Daffy? Porky? Yosemite Sam? The Tasmanian Devil? Petunia? Bugs in drag?) Daffiness is a quality much despised by people who believe other people ought to take things more seriously, but how it's clearly separable from a generally comic turn of mind I couldn't say. One man's irony is another's daffiness; maybe it depends on the way you're dressed, or your attitude to authority, or The Authorities. Both these characteristics, in any case, predate the NY school, which assimilated impulses from the Beats, surrealism, dadaism, an interart avant-garde, and 60s counterculture. In the NY school some very significant talents show how poems can be effective in modes that repudiate the "heroic" and "tragic." Once that's done, it's too late to whine. Anything that's been proven to offer a potentially successful set of strategies or tropes for writing poems offers itself to everyone who follows as one among many earlier modes to draw inspiration and technique (and to mix and match) from. If lots of writers who don't impress Hoagland, or me (for instance), or you (for another instance) have drawn on those tendencies unsuccessfully, it's (a) no different from the thousands (millions) of awful sonnets that have been written and (b) not the "fault" of the people who did it well first, or the people who made it the mark of their "group style," or of the people who try it now and succeed, or even the people who try it now and fail. In fact, the idea of finding "fault" with the strategies people employ when they try to make the best poems they can make just strikes me as vulgar and mean--the sign of designating (or self-designating) watchdogs in a "profession" in which many participants won't refrain from jockeying for positions of power. In other words, behavior like this (which, if Hoagland isn't guilty of it, many others are) is just another notch up on the scale of manipulations and abuses of power that are the very things people object to about workshops. In a workshop I may get to steer a dozen people away from things I disapprove of and towards things I think are significant and important. In an AWP or APR essay, there's a lot more at stake. I don't know what Hoagland's doing, but my sense of the way poetry has been professionalized in the late twentieth and early twentyfirst centuries leaves me with a sick feeling about being able to sustain (or create) a more humane set of relations among poets--especially poets who (this is most of us, I think) feel they're doing something different from other poets when they're realizing their best work. These differences--not some fantasized ideal of seriousness--are the only hope an art form has of remaining culturally vital. Curmudgeonly yrs, Jerry On 9/4/2011 10:59 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: I cannot recognize Philip K. Dick, an American author I have been reading this summer and writing ever since who grew up with the Berkley renaissance and Jack Spicer, in much of what Hoagland writes here. By Dick I cannot find any of the following: middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. There is no "shortage of the visionary" (!) the opposite I would say. And then, MFA programs have become the scapegoat of any critical discourse. Amen. -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Sep 4 13:09:14 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 12:09:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Type are you? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E63B0BA.1050506@louisiana.edu> I just got my copy of this, and though it may be decades before I get to read it all the way through, it's a type-nerd's delight just to browse. As to my own favorite font (which, probably, has a lot to do with deep psychological self-representations), comic sans, Garfield quotes a joke printed (though no doubt not invented) in the Wall Street Journal: Comic Sans walks into a bar and the bartender says, "We don't serve your type." Jerry On 9/4/2011 6:10 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140126278/know-this-headlines-font-youre-just-my-type > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 13:25:32 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:25:32 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I cannot recognize Philip K. Dick, an American author I have been reading > this summer and writing ever since who grew up with the Berkley renaissance > and Jack Spicer, in much of what Hoagland writes here. By Dick I cannot find > any of the following: > > > middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a > sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, > and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. > > There is no "shortage of the visionary" (!) the opposite I would say. > And then, MFA programs have become the scapegoat of any critical discourse. > Amen. > Or, as a student once wrote: an "escape goat." - Jim > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >> >> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via their >> eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP members, >> here's the page url that I am looking at: >> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >> >> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, as >> I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails squarely >> on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, he's >> arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >> >> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his argument: >> >> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >> time? >> >> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >> >> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >> generation." >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 13:29:47 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:29:47 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Type are you? In-Reply-To: <4E63B0BA.1050506@louisiana.edu> References: <4E63B0BA.1050506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I just got my copy of this, and though it may be decades before I get to > read it all the way through, it's a type-nerd's delight just to browse. As > to my own favorite font (which, probably, has a lot to do with deep > psychological self-representations), comic sans, Garfield quotes a joke > printed (though no doubt not invented) in the Wall Street Journal: > > Comic Sans walks into a bar and the bartender says, "We don't serve > your type." > > Jerry > Pretty bold. Must have been one of them Italicans. -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 13:29:47 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:29:47 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Type are you? In-Reply-To: <4E63B0BA.1050506@louisiana.edu> References: <4E63B0BA.1050506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I just got my copy of this, and though it may be decades before I get to > read it all the way through, it's a type-nerd's delight just to browse. As > to my own favorite font (which, probably, has a lot to do with deep > psychological self-representations), comic sans, Garfield quotes a joke > printed (though no doubt not invented) in the Wall Street Journal: > > Comic Sans walks into a bar and the bartender says, "We don't serve > your type." > > Jerry > Pretty bold. Must have been one of them Italicans. -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 13:45:11 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 12:45:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Scrape goat is good. Also scrap goat. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:25 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > >> I cannot recognize Philip K. Dick, an American author I have been reading >> this summer and writing ever since who grew up with the Berkley renaissance >> and Jack Spicer, in much of what Hoagland writes here. By Dick I cannot find >> any of the following: >> >> >> middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a >> sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, >> and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. >> >> There is no "shortage of the visionary" (!) the opposite I would say. >> And then, MFA programs have become the scapegoat of any critical >> discourse. Amen. >> > > > Or, as a student once wrote: an "escape goat." > > - Jim > > >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >>> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >>> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >>> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >>> >>> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via >>> their eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP >>> members, here's the page url that I am looking at: >>> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >>> >>> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, >>> as I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails >>> squarely on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, >>> he's arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >>> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >>> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >>> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >>> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >>> >>> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his >>> argument: >>> >>> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >>> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >>> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >>> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >>> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >>> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >>> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >>> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >>> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >>> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >>> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >>> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >>> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >>> time? >>> >>> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >>> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >>> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >>> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >>> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >>> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >>> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >>> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >>> >>> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, speed, >>> and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish from our >>> national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and daffiness >>> are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with in this >>> generation." >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 14:01:19 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:01:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: :-) you two are something... On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Scrape goat is good. Also scrap goat. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > *Remains To Be Seen > , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > , Mainly Black > , **Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:25 PM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I cannot recognize Philip K. Dick, an American author I have been reading >>> this summer and writing ever since who grew up with the Berkley renaissance >>> and Jack Spicer, in much of what Hoagland writes here. By Dick I cannot find >>> any of the following: >>> >>> >>> middle class manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a >>> sense of powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, >>> and a more insular and self conscious poetry world. >>> >>> There is no "shortage of the visionary" (!) the opposite I would say. >>> And then, MFA programs have become the scapegoat of any critical >>> discourse. Amen. >>> >> >> >> Or, as a student once wrote: an "escape goat." >> >> - Jim >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM, David Graham wrote: >>> >>>> The current AWP Writer's Chronicle has an essay by Tony Hoagland called >>>> "Blame it on Rio: The Strange Legacy of New York School Poetics, an >>>> Evolutionary Story of Delight & Dissipation" that I am sure will cause a >>>> good deal of comment. It's well worth reading and arguing with. >>>> >>>> Anyone read it yet? AWP members can access the full text online via >>>> their eLink service. Others will have to find the paper copy. For AWP >>>> members, here's the page url that I am looking at: >>>> http://www.awpwriter.org/login/m/awpChron/articles/thoagland08.lasso It's likely you'll have to log in before you arrive there. >>>> >>>> I have some significant problems with Hoagland's argument and examples, >>>> as I usually do with him. But I also think he hits a number of nails >>>> squarely on the head, as he almost always does. To greatly oversimplify, >>>> he's arguing that the influence of the New York School poets is currently >>>> pervasive among younger poets, and in particular the work of Frank O'Hara. >>>> But Hoagland finds (predicatably) a diminishment in much current poetry in >>>> this lineage, arguing that what he calls "distractedness" and "haplessness" >>>> have crowded out the possibilities for gravitas, tragedy, duende. >>>> >>>> Here is an excerpt from his conclusion to give the flavor of his >>>> argument: >>>> >>>> "If there?s a kind of heroism and commitment missing from contemporary >>>> American poetry, that absence is surely born of many forces: middle class >>>> manners, shyness, a learned humility, media saturation, a sense of >>>> powerlessness as citizens and humans, and embarrassment for same, and a more >>>> insular and self conscious poetry world. (Wouldn?t it be ironic if the >>>> acquisition, connoisseurship, and mastery of the manners of indeterminacy in >>>> MFA programs were also enhancing this condition of lost vision?) The result >>>> is a shortage of the visionary?a shortage of self-authorization to make >>>> declarations for our time, our moment, and our humanness. If the >>>> Confessionals shrank the compass of our poetry to a narcissistic focus on >>>> the personal, at least they didn?t stint for conviction and intensity. The >>>> hapless, wonky, distracted poems of the moment evade the whole issue. >>>> Where?s the duende and fierceness of mind that authorizes vision in our >>>> time? >>>> >>>> Freud said that questing for truth was at bottom masochistic, because it >>>> means seeking a thing which will cause you pain. He further said that the >>>> urge to inflict truth on others is sadistic?a warning for all critics! But >>>> not being *able* to find the truth, not feeling *capable* of such a >>>> quest, not feeling *qualified* to possess it or to enunciate it, is >>>> another kind of neurotic tragedy. One of the questions of the poetics of our >>>> times is this: Can the pleasures of mobility, deflection, fragmentation and >>>> wit be joined to the resonance and gravity of adulthood? >>>> >>>> The aesthetics of the New York School bequeath a kind of vitality, >>>> speed, and elan that still nourishes American poetry; it will never vanish >>>> from our national poetic selfhood. Even so, the legacy?s haplessness and >>>> daffiness are a compelling problem?ones that will have to be grappled with >>>> in this generation." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================================== >>>> David Graham >>>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>>> >>>> Home Page: >>>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>>> >>>> Poetry Library: >>>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>>> ========================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >> >> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > ** > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Sunday, September 04, 2011 12:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School > > I must say that if these are the examples, poor Hoagland is right. Thanks > for posting it. > > > They are examples of moderately so-so poetry that a small percentage of > mediocre poets are writing. They aren't worth writing about. That's > because there are other poets composing poetry that does all kinds of things > mainstream commentators on poetry seem unaware of but *are* worth writing > about, at least if extending knowledge is considered of more value than > repeating knowledge. > > --Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > ** > > > Not, of course, that any of the present company ever repeat themselves > hereabouts. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > > Everybody repeats knowledge, Hal--but extending knowledge, which not > everybody does, is better. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Not, of course, that any of the present company ever repeat themselves hereabouts. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Everybody repeats knowledge, Hal--but extending knowledge, which not everybody does, is better. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.murray.bahrain at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 08:08:28 2011 From: chris.murray.bahrain at gmail.com (chris murray) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:08:28 +0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Of homunculi and shibboleths (and poetry, too) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is wonderful. Thanks. Nice to see it sent to the list (Anny!) On 9/4/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: > From Camille Martin: > > Hello, all. To make it easier for anyone interested in my essays on > poetry, poetics, experimental film, cognitive science, and culture > (especially New Orleans and Cajun). I've added a list of links to my > blog, Rogue Embryo). > > Below is the current list of more than forty essays and reviews (time > for a book?). Links can be found here: > > http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com/my-essays-and-reviews/ > > Comments welcome! > > Cheers, > Camille Martin > > 1) Poetics / Culture of Poetry > ? Musicality in Poetry > ? We are all Walloon poets > ? Poetry?s 49th Parallel: Canadian/American Shibboleths > ? The Majlis Collaborative Experience > ? On Homunculi, Steam Locomotives, and Hans Clodhopper (interview) > ? The Fledgling Book Flies the Nest > > 2) Reviews and Close Readings > ? Ken Belford?s Decompositions: Intelligent Nature > ? Charles Borkhuis: ?Write What I Say? > ? Besmilr Brigham: The Place of Place > ? Joel Chace: Cleaning the Mirror > ? ?G? is for Genre: Maxine Chernoff?s Todorov > ? Robert Creeley and Francesco Clemente?s Anamorphosis: Death and the > Stuff of Dreams > ? Connie Deanovich?s Essence of Saint > ? Pixel-Gene Hybridity: David Dowker?s Machine Language > ? ?how many years without death?: Larry Eigner?s memento mori > ? Samuel Greenberg: The Lowly Eye > ? Samuel Greenberg?s Braided Secrets > ? Barbara Guest?s Musicalities > ? Anselm Hollo: ?Hard to say whether the jars?ve gotten any lighter.? > ? Trevor Joyce: Let them eat fire > ? Signifying the Tradition: Kaie Kellough?s Maple Leaf Rag > ? Bill Knott?s Strong-Lined Sonnets > ? Ann Lauterbach?s Pilgrim of Desire > ? Rupert Loydell: Empty Lawns and Battered Days > ? ?I know I am traveling all the time?: The Twilight Dreams of Artur > Lundquist > ? Kimberly Lyons? Fleeting Continuum > ? Joseph Massey: The Language of Desire to Speak > ? Meredith Quartermain?s Martian Feast > ? Miklos Radnoti (1909 ? 1944) > ? Monty Reid?s The Luskville Reductions: Poems from a Phantom Settlement > ? Reading the Minds of Events: Leslie Scalapino?s Plural Time > ? Remembering remembering Leslie Scalapino > ? Adam Seelig?s Every Day in the Morning (Slow) > ? Poetic Polyphony in Scott Thurston?s Internal Rhyme > ? Alberta Turner: What do you mean, mean? > ? Robert Zend?s Daymares: Dreams Report the Bankruptcy of Words > > 3) Experimental Film > ? Decasia: The Seeds of Destruction > ? Extreme Inefficiency of the Rube Goldberg Machine: Peter Fischli and > David Weiss?s The Way Things Go > > 4) Cognitive Science > ? I. From Motorcycle to Biopsy: The Messy Desk of the Mind > ? II. ?I hate my birthday!??Or, what do elegies by New York school > poets have in common with the story of an Italian anarchist? > ? Hypnagogic Dreams: John Franklin?s Fig Newton on a Piano Stool > > 5) Culture (New Orleans, Cajun) > ? Passion Flowers, Gulf Fritillary Butterflies, and Cultural Exoticism > ? Fat Tuesday, Krewe of St. Anne: A Photo Essay > ? One Stop Shopping: Tuxedos and Po-Boys > ? All That Glitters on the Spiderweb: Myth, Race, and Denial > ? St. Roch Chapel in New Orleans, a Parallel Universe > ? Parallel Universes Redux ? St. Joseph?s Altar in New Orleans, a Hybrid > Feast > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > From almaginnes at aol.com Mon Sep 5 08:54:00 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School In-Reply-To: References: <47521D70-2F65-4175-863E-49E6A61B14AB@ripon.edu><00E437D7ADBC4489B3D784234048E415@bPC> Message-ID: <8CE39E204250444-1130-51093@webmail-d167.sysops.aol.com> Here's another take on Hoagland although I take real exception to this blogger's description of Alice Notley as "visionary." http://www.montevidayo.com/?p=1804 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Not, of course, that any of the present company ever repeat themselves hereabouts. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Everybody repeats knowledge, Hal--but extending knowledge, which not everybody does, is better. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Sep 5 09:50:09 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 09:50:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Jansenist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34073BF81CC4412DBA0EAA1E1DB44B55@bPC> Pascal helped found the modern theory of probability (with Fermat). Did original work on conic sections at age 16. Contributed to physics, too--concerning pressure on liquid. Hydraulics. Only lived to 39, and left science at 29. Post-mortem examination indicated he had a deformed skull. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 12:45:59 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:45:59 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Jansenist In-Reply-To: References: <34073BF81CC4412DBA0EAA1E1DB44B55@bPC> Message-ID: mine was a rhetorical question that received good answers. Yes, our one-sided specialized culture is negative, the prototype of the humanistic mind, I am thinking of Leonardo, is impossible nowadays, right because of the quantity of books one has to read in each discipline, plus the updates. A true pity. I tell my students that the study of a language is mathematical, as much as music is. I was good at maths, long forgotten by now, a true pity. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:41 PM, carol dorf wrote: > The first seven rows of Pascal's triangle -- beautiful, and has > applications in probability/combinatorics, as Bob mentioned. You can also > find the Fibonacci numbers, triangular numbers, powers of two, etc. in the > triangle. > > 1 > 1 1 > 1 2 1 > 1 3 3 1 > 1 4 6 4 1 > 1 5 10 10 5 1 > 1 6 15 20 15 6 1 > 1 7 21 35 35 21 7 1 > . > . > > > My understanding is that Philosophy and mathematics were closer disciplines > in the 17th and 18th century. Kant's thinking also involved mathematics > including discussion of the speed of the earth's rotation. > > > Carol > > talkingwriting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 12:50:29 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:50:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Jansenist In-Reply-To: <4E64FCA8.10309@louisiana.edu> References: <4E64FCA8.10309@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country, yet. Give us your name and email address and we will get back to you as soon as it is available..." Thus we are, no Netflix, no IMDb movies, no nothing, that lonely we are here. :-( On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > And a famously brilliant stylist, and dead at 39. Thanks, Anny. I've just > put Rossellini's biopic on my Netflix queue. > > Jerry > > > On 9/5/2011 4:55 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > that Blaise Pascal was a philosopher and theologian, I knew that, but a > mathematician? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country, yet. Give us your name > and email address and we will get back to you as soon as it is available..." > Thus we are, no Netflix, no IMDb movies, no nothing, that lonely we are > here. :-( > > > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> And a famously brilliant stylist, and dead at 39. Thanks, Anny. I've >> just put Rossellini's biopic on my Netflix queue. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> On 9/5/2011 4:55 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> that Blaise Pascal was a philosopher and theologian, I knew that, but a >> mathematician? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:19:43 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:19:43 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Jansenist In-Reply-To: References: <4E64FCA8.10309@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: or before it all crumbles down on its own, there is no need of vandalism... On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Ah, but you've got all that public statuary. Be sure to get out and see it > before that vandalism in Rome begins to spread. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > *Remains To Be Seen > , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > , Mainly Black > , **Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country, yet. Give us your name >> and email address and we will get back to you as soon as it is available..." >> Thus we are, no Netflix, no IMDb movies, no nothing, that lonely we are >> here. :-( >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >> >>> And a famously brilliant stylist, and dead at 39. Thanks, Anny. I've >>> just put Rossellini's biopic on my Netflix queue. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> On 9/5/2011 4:55 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >>> >>> that Blaise Pascal was a philosopher and theologian, I knew that, but a >>> mathematician? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Prof. Jerry McGuire >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett, works with VIDA: Women in Literary Arts, and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College.? Please visit AmyKing.org for more. ? Nathaniel A. Siegel is a GAY poet in the tradition of homoSEXual writers, thinkers, and doers throughOUT time immemorial. His chapbook "Tony" is published by Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs. For the 2011 LGBTQ Pride March in NYC, he created a "SAFE SEX Banana Cake" to demonstrate in the streets of NYC how to simply prevent HIV/A.I.D.S. by proper use of a condom. Nathaniel's poetry is available online at The Brooklyn Rail, Esque Magazine, and EOAGH. ? Sophie Robinson was born in 1985. She lives and works in London. Her first book, a, came out from Les Figues press in 2009. Her 2010 chapbook, the lotion, was recently shortlisted for the Michael Marks Prize for Poetry Pamphlets.? Her work has been included in several anthologies including Infinite Difference: Other Poetries by Women in the UK (Shearsman 2010), Voice Recognition: 21 Poets for the 21st Century (Bloodaxe 2009) and The Reality Street Book of Sonnets (Reality Street 2008). In January 2011, she was appointed as poet in residence at the Victoria & Albert Museum.? Sophie is currently completing a PhD in Queer Poetics at Royal Holloway, University of London. ~ September 13, 2011 Our Material Lives:? Feminism and Poetry at Various Ages??? ?? Belladonna* Collaborative's 2011-2012 season will call to attention the?material life?of the artist, as person, who, in addition to being the creator/conspirator of a?body?of work, possesses a?physical body, and real financial, medical and social needs. To inaugurate this season, we'll begin with an unique event focusing?on feminism and writing in the many stages of our poetic lives. ? The evening will include an exclusive screening of?The Poetry Deal,?Melanie La Rosa's film about legendary poet?Diane di Prima,?readings by internationally acclaimed poets?Ana Bozicevic?and?Caroline Crumpacker, a reading from poet and activist?Hannah Zeavin, and an opportunity for conversation among presenters and audience. ? Curated by Rachel Levitsky, Krystal Languell and Emily Skillings Click?here?to purchase tickets ? Location:?Dixon Place?161A Chrystie Street New York, NY 10002 ? 7:30 pm?? ? Poet and translator?Ana Bozicevic?came from Croatia to America and wrote Stars of the Night Commute?(Tarpaulin Sky Press, 2009), a Lambda Literary Award finalist. She works and studies at The Graduate Center, CUNY, where she prepared Diane di Prima's "The Mysteries of Vision: Some Notes on H.D." for publication in Lost&Found: The CUNY Poetics Document Initiative. Currently she's completing her second book of poems. ? ?Caroline Crumpacker?has published the chapbooks?Recherche Theories?(Etherdome Press, 2010) and?The Institution in Her Twilight?(Dusie Kollectiv, 2011). Her poetry, translations and reviews appear in magazines and anthologies including?The Talisman Anthology of Contemporary Chinese Poetry?(Talisman, 2007) and?American Poets in the 21st Century: The New Poetics(Wesleyan University Press, 2007).?She is a member of Belladonna* Collaborative and a contributing editor for?Circumference, and was a founding editor of both?Fence?and the French/American online magazine?Double Change. She lives in "mid-upstate New York" with her lovely daughter Coco and her partner the puppeteer Roberto Rossi. A bit further upstate, she runs The Millay Colony for the Arts. ?Hannah Zeavin?is a poet and feminist from Brooklyn. ?She now attends Yale University, where she helped instigate a recent Title IX complaint. ?Her poetry and articles have appeared in a few magazines and journals. ?Zeavin has spoken out on issues of gender and sexuality on CNN, The New York Times, and Good Morning America. She is the poetry editor at Cousin Corinne's Reminder and the editor-in-chief of?Broadrecognition.com. Her first book, Circa, was published by Hanging Loose Press. ??Diane di Prima?was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1934, a second generation American of Italian descent. She lived and wrote in Manhattan for many years, where she became known as an important writer of the Beat movement. During that time she co-founded the New York Poets Theatre, and founded the Poets Press, which published the work of many new writers of the period. With Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones), she edited the literary newsletter?The Floating Bear?(1961-1969). She is the author of 43 books of poetry and prose, including?Pieces of a Song?(City Lights, 1990). Her work has been translated into more than twenty languages and she's received many grants and awards for her poetry. Diane lives and writes in San Francisco, where she teaches private classes and workshops and does individual consultations on writing and creativity.? ? Melanie La Rosa?has worked in the production of documentaries since 1996. Aside from directing, her numerous roles have included that of producer, director of photography, 2nd unit camera, associate producer, and assistant editor. Her education includes an MFA in Film and Media Arts from Temple University and a BA in Political Science from the University of Michigan. She teaches documentary filmmaking at Hunter College. 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He was born nine years before I, which is probably a large part of the reason he remained all his literary life almost entirely in the small press, whereas I've spent most of mine with the micro-press. Which doesn't make me superior to him. It does make me superior to those younger than I who have never strayed beyond the small press (which all the laureates and a few other bigTimers, due to the diminished number of big press publishers of poetry and poetry commentary). --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So although I don't know either what ice skates mean in this context, or where English poetry ascended, I am sure I'd understand the poem if I knew. 3. See #2 above. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Sep 6 15:21:56 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> I can only take these backwards, Bob, or rather, rearrange the items: 2. If "lying" is a pun, then yes, what it means as a critical statement about the history of poetry is clear--that is, at the dawn-crack of early modernity, this church too is founded on a pun, that collapsing the visible object and the inherent impulse of language to trope what it works with; 3. If 2 is cogent, then the poem's meaning as a critical statement is clear to me; 1. If (2) and (3), then yes, it works as a poem for me. None of this is to say that it doesn't work as a poem if it works differently from the way I've suggested it works for me. It may well work in other ways. This would be another validation of (1). I've just spent the morning getting my freshmen tangled up in some Dickinson knots, so that's (i.e., multiple entendre, multiple points of access, multiple and various desires at play) what's on my mind today. (1) is probably also further validated if the rhythmic and tonal relations to Williams's red wheelbarrow impress themselves on a given reader, as they do for me. Is this about that damned river in Paterson freezing over? cheers, Jerry On 9/6/2011 1:59 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > the luminescence of the ice skates > lying where poetry in English > made its first major ascent > I'd greatly appreciate feedback as to whether or not > 1. it works as a poem? > 2. what it means as a critical statement about the history of poetry > in English is clear? > 3. its meaning as a critical statement (if clear) makes sense? > It is intended to be both poem, albeit a (very minor) poem-within-a- > larger-poem, and a critical statement. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:04:56 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:04:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> References: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: That "damned river" is the Passaic, as lovely a stream as ever there was. Right up there on the list, along with the charming Hackensack River. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > I can only take these backwards, Bob, or rather, rearrange the items: > > 2. If "lying" is a pun, then yes, what it means as a critical statement > about the history of poetry is clear--that is, at the dawn-crack of early > modernity, this church too is founded on a pun, that collapsing the visible > object and the inherent impulse of language to trope what it works with; > > 3. If 2 is cogent, then the poem's meaning as a critical statement is clear > to me; > > 1. If (2) and (3), then yes, it works as a poem for me. > > None of this is to say that it doesn't work as a poem if it works > differently from the way I've suggested it works for me. It may well work in > other ways. This would be another validation of (1). I've just spent the > morning getting my freshmen tangled up in some Dickinson knots, so that's > (i.e., multiple entendre, multiple points of access, multiple and various > desires at play) what's on my mind today. > > (1) is probably also further validated if the rhythmic and tonal relations > to Williams's red wheelbarrow impress themselves on a given reader, as they > do for me. Is this about that damned river in Paterson freezing over? > > cheers, > > Jerry > > On 9/6/2011 1:59 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > the luminescence of the ice skates > lying where poetry in English > made its first major ascent > > I'd greatly appreciate feedback as to whether or not > > 1. it works as a poem? > > 2. what it means as a critical statement about the history of poetry in > English is clear? > > 3. its meaning as a critical statement (if clear) makes sense? > > It is intended to be both poem, albeit a (very minor) poem-within-a- > larger-poem, and a critical statement. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:07:07 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:07:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hugh Fox In-Reply-To: <85FCFCA74DB743B8B3A7D3B36088A101@bPC> References: <85FCFCA74DB743B8B3A7D3B36088A101@bPC> Message-ID: Sorry to hear it. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > ** > I just read that Hugh Fox died at the age of 79. A victim of prostate > cancer. Go to http://www.litkicks.com/HughFox to get a good idea of his > importance. He was one of many literary figures I corresponded with but > never met in person. Very decent guy who did a great deal directly for the > American small press. He was a friend, too, of the micro-press, although > what he did for it was indirect. Basically, his help toward establishing > the small press as worthy of academic attention (and therefore, slowly and > limitedly, the attention of commercial presses and periodicals) helped keep > the micro-press from being entirely invisible to those not inside it. > > He was born nine years before I, which is probably a large part of the > reason he remained all his literary life almost entirely in the small press, > whereas I've spent most of mine with the micro-press. Which doesn't make me > superior to him. It does make me superior to those younger than I who have > never strayed beyond the small press (which all the laureates and a few > other bigTimers, due to the diminished number of big press publishers of > poetry and poetry commentary). > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Sep 6 16:07:18 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:07:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1. It has the approximate size, shape and method of a haiku 2. It's not clear to me, but then haiku often contain cultural references that you need to know, e.g. "visiting the graves" is the "season word" for autumn. So although I don't know either what ice skates mean in this context, or where English poetry ascended, I am sure I'd understand the poem if I knew. 3. See #2 above. Thanks, David. I'll be explaining the skates eventually. Yes, I thought it sort of a haiku with too many words. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Sep 6 16:12:04 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:12:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> References: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback I can only take these backwards, Bob, or rather, rearrange the items: 2. If "lying" is a pun, then yes, what it means as a critical statement about the history of poetry is clear--that is, at the dawn-crack of early modernity, this church too is founded on a pun, that collapsing the visible object and the inherent impulse of language to trope what it works with; 3. If 2 is cogent, then the poem's meaning as a critical statement is clear to me; 1. If (2) and (3), then yes, it works as a poem for me. None of this is to say that it doesn't work as a poem if it works differently from the way I've suggested it works for me. It may well work in other ways. This would be another validation of (1). I've just spent the morning getting my freshmen tangled up in some Dickinson knots, so that's (i.e., multiple entendre, multiple points of access, multiple and various desires at play) what's on my mind today. (1) is probably also further validated if the rhythmic and tonal relations to Williams's red wheelbarrow impress themselves on a given reader, as they do for me. Is this about that damned river in Paterson freezing over? cheers, Jerry Thanks, Jerry. One further question (sorry): do you know what the skates are a reference to? I'm guessing you do, but want to make sure. The "lying" pun was not intended, and goes against what I'm saying so "lying" will probably have to be removed. So you probably have saved me from misstating what I want to, which is rather important! --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tichaona at inthewhirlwind.com Tue Sep 6 16:40:31 2011 From: tichaona at inthewhirlwind.com (Tichaona Chinyelu) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:40:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Contraband Marriage - the giveaway Message-ID: <20110906134031.06739fca92e8a33e1cdb4ae2881c2177.975a2c4f55.wbe@email01.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Sep 6 16:53:28 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:53:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: References: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4E668848.8010905@louisiana.edu> Sorry, Bob, but the reference eludes me, although I rather like "ice gates." (And am hoping your poem--yes! it must be so!--is all about Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding, when they first met there on the mighty Passaic. Or was it the Kinderhook Creek?) Jerry On 9/6/2011 3:12 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jerry McGuire > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback > > I can only take these backwards, Bob, or rather, rearrange the items: > > 2. If "lying" is a pun, then yes, what it means as a critical > statement about the history of poetry is clear--that is, at the > dawn-crack of early modernity, this church too is founded on a > pun, that collapsing the visible object and the inherent impulse > of language to trope what it works with; > > 3. If 2 is cogent, then the poem's meaning as a critical statement > is clear to me; > > 1. If (2) and (3), then yes, it works as a poem for me. > > None of this is to say that it doesn't work as a poem if it works > differently from the way I've suggested it works for me. It may > well work in other ways. This would be another validation of (1). > I've just spent the morning getting my freshmen tangled up in some > Dickinson knots, so that's (i.e., multiple entendre, multiple > points of access, multiple and various desires at play) what's on > my mind today. > > (1) is probably also further validated if the rhythmic and tonal > relations to Williams's red wheelbarrow impress themselves on a > given reader, as they do for me. Is this about that damned river > in Paterson freezing over? > > cheers, > > Jerry > > Thanks, Jerry. One further question (sorry): do you know what the > skates are a reference to? I'm guessing you do, but want to make > sure. The "lying" pun was not intended, and goes against what I'm > saying so "lying" will probably have to be removed. So you probably > have saved me from misstating what I want to, which is rather important! > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Sep 6 17:01:37 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:01:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: References: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4E668A31.1090800@louisiana.edu> By the way, Bob, it seems to me that if your skates have a specific, determined meaning that conduces towards a cogent (theoretical, for instance) statement, then the poem is more like a riddle than a haiku--at least, that's one of the ways I distinguish between the two forms--the free-associative haiku, the self-circumscribing riddle. Jerry On 9/6/2011 3:12 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jerry McGuire > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback > > I can only take these backwards, Bob, or rather, rearrange the items: > > 2. If "lying" is a pun, then yes, what it means as a critical > statement about the history of poetry is clear--that is, at the > dawn-crack of early modernity, this church too is founded on a > pun, that collapsing the visible object and the inherent impulse > of language to trope what it works with; > > 3. If 2 is cogent, then the poem's meaning as a critical statement > is clear to me; > > 1. If (2) and (3), then yes, it works as a poem for me. > > None of this is to say that it doesn't work as a poem if it works > differently from the way I've suggested it works for me. It may > well work in other ways. This would be another validation of (1). > I've just spent the morning getting my freshmen tangled up in some > Dickinson knots, so that's (i.e., multiple entendre, multiple > points of access, multiple and various desires at play) what's on > my mind today. > > (1) is probably also further validated if the rhythmic and tonal > relations to Williams's red wheelbarrow impress themselves on a > given reader, as they do for me. Is this about that damned river > in Paterson freezing over? > > cheers, > > Jerry > > Thanks, Jerry. One further question (sorry): do you know what the > skates are a reference to? I'm guessing you do, but want to make > sure. The "lying" pun was not intended, and goes against what I'm > saying so "lying" will probably have to be removed. So you probably > have saved me from misstating what I want to, which is rather important! > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Sep 6 17:31:08 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:31:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: <4E668A31.1090800@louisiana.edu> References: <4E6672D4.8080506@louisiana.edu> <4E668A31.1090800@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <40763111D8854CF4A9B03CF2DF905162@bPC> By the way, Bob, it seems to me that if your skates have a specific, determined meaning that conduces towards a cogent (theoretical, for instance) statement, then the poem is more like a riddle than a haiku--at least, that's one of the ways I distinguish between the two forms--the free-associative haiku, the self-circumscribing riddle. Jerry Whew, if only I thought I had another fifty years left, I'd love to discuss haiku versus riddle with you, Jerry. Or riddle versus poem. One of my Important Counter-Beliefs is that a poem is improved by being a riddle--because it gives an engagent a chance at the joy of solving it. I also tend to b elieve that all good poems are riddles. But not direct riddles, which I'm sure you mean. I think the riddle in my text is incidental. It's really an simple allusion. My big problem would be whether or not to add a single word to it that would make it clear to almost anyone who had a class in English poetry in college. I don't like being too direct in poetry. But the text will b e only a part of a larger poem. I have no idea what will be in that, but I suspect there will be ways to provide cluse about the skates. The definitely aren't either Tonya's and Nancy's. Hans Brinker may have used them, though. They were a particular historical figure's, though. Now there's quite a hint. Thanks for keeping involved with the skates. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Sep 6 17:36:16 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:36:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pogo In-Reply-To: <1DBB2D4736F04559B50104AEAF5A6F99@bPC> References: <1DBB2D4736F04559B50104AEAF5A6F99@bPC> Message-ID: <4E669250.4060303@louisiana.edu> A specially hip moment of my childhood--maybe the only hip moment of my childhood. (Is all this talk of hips troubling?) "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" What's more poetic that that? Jerry On 9/6/2011 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've lately been viewing/reading Walt Kelly's /The Incompleat Pogo/, > which I think quite wonderful. I was a big fan of Kelly's when young, > then tired of him. But I still have some of his books, including one > that has /The Incompleat Pogo/ and another title, also fine though I > don't like it as much as I like the former. I brought it up because > it reminded me that I've always though Kelly a linguistic poet of the > first order. That is, he doesn't compose poetry, but his use of the > language is a poet's. He's a masterful comic dramatist, too--and > cartoonist, needless to say. > Any other Pogo fans out there? > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > A specially hip moment of my childhood--maybe the only hip moment of my > childhood. (Is all this talk of hips troubling?) "We have met the enemy, and > he is us!" What's more poetic that that? > > Jerry > > On 9/6/2011 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > I've lately been viewing/reading Walt Kelly's *The Incompleat Pogo*, which > I think quite wonderful. I was a big fan of Kelly's when young, then tired > of him. But I still have some of his books, including one that has *The > Incompleat Pogo* and another title, also fine though I don't like it as > much as I like the former. I brought it up because it reminded me that I've > always though Kelly a linguistic poet of the first order. That is, he > doesn't compose poetry, but his use of the language is a poet's. He's a > masterful comic dramatist, too--and cartoonist, needless to say. > > Any other Pogo fans out there? > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Sep 6 20:04:25 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:04:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Text and a Request for Feedback In-Reply-To: References: <1DBB2D4736F04559B50104AEAF5A6F99@bPC> <4E669250.4060303@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4E66B509.1090108@louisiana.edu> To be clear for once, Bob, I think of riddles and haiku as (historically, but also in the abstract) serving two different psychological dispositions, one that follows an associative impulse outwards (and thus encourages the respondent to construct his/her own imaginative response) and one that follows clues to one solution. I think that both function in most poems, and that some poets are more haiku-ish (funny, they don't _look_ haiku-ish) while others are more driven by the riddling impulse. Same difference with different poems. Indirect riddles, indirect haiku, everywhere. And I don't see any reason, given the new mobile intravenous and oxygen machines, that either of us shouldn't make it another fifty years. Happy 130th! Jerry Bob Grumman Wrote: Whew, if only I thought I had another fifty years left, I'd love to discuss haiku versus riddle with you, Jerry. Or riddle versus poem. One of my Important Counter-Beliefs is that a poem is improved by being a riddle--because it gives an engagent a chance at the joy of solving it. I also tend to b elieve that all good poems are riddles. But not direct riddles, which I'm sure you mean. On 9/6/2011 4:40 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > "Where's the beef?" > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,///Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > /, > /Mainly Black > , > /Obras P?blicas > ; > //The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet > ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; ////The > Dance of the Red Swan ;/ > /Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: > > A specially hip moment of my childhood--maybe the only hip moment > of my childhood. (Is all this talk of hips troubling?) "We have > met the enemy, and he is us!" What's more poetic that that? > > Jerry > > On 9/6/2011 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> I've lately been viewing/reading Walt Kelly's /The Incompleat >> Pogo/, which I think quite wonderful. I was a big fan of Kelly's >> when young, then tired of him. But I still have some of his >> books, including one that has /The Incompleat Pogo/ and another >> title, also fine though I don't like it as much as I like the >> former. I brought it up because it reminded me that I've always >> though Kelly a linguistic poet of the first order. That is, he >> doesn't compose poetry, but his use of the language is a poet's. >> He's a masterful comic dramatist, too--and cartoonist, needless >> to say. >> Any other Pogo fans out there? >> --Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website: > http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Got it the second time. --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: almaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Here's another take on Hoagland although I take real exception to this blogger's description of Alice Notley as "visionary." http://www.montevidayo.com/?p=1804 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hoagland on the legacy of the NY School Not, of course, that any of the present company ever repeat themselves hereabouts. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Everybody repeats knowledge, Hal--but extending knowledge, which not everybody does, is better. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jerry, the schizophrenic mentally ill psychotic (i.e., "poet," one of several thought disorders) -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 14:02:35 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:02:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sound associations In-Reply-To: <4E67AAF0.2050404@louisiana.edu> References: <4E67AAF0.2050404@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: E.g. "moon" and "June" Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > This just in from Wikipedia's article about "clang associations": > > In psychology and psychiatry, > *clanging* or *clang association* refers to a mode of speech and logical > association to two or more words primarily based upon word sounds when no > logical association between the words exists. For example, rhymingor > alliteration may lead to the > appearance of logical connections where none in fact exists. This, just one > manifestation amongst a more general spectrum of thought disorders, > is associated with the irregular thinking apparent in psychotic mental > illnesses (e.g. > schizophrenia). > > > Now this is the kind of categorization I can get behind. We should insist > that the article include a sub-heading: > > In poetry: what we do; how we live our lives. > > Best, > > Jerry, the schizophrenic mentally ill psychotic (i.e., "poet," one of > several thought disorders) > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JM On 9/7/2011 2:12 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > spoon, simoon, octoroon, macaroon, goon, soon, croon, noon, loon, > tune, attune, boon, rigadoon, brigadoon, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Sep 7, 2011 2:02 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sound associations > > E.g. "moon" and "June" > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,///Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > /, > /Mainly Black > , > /Obras P?blicas > ; > //The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet > ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; > ////The Dance of the Red Swan > ;/ > /Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Jerry McGuire > > wrote: > > This just in from Wikipedia's article about "clang associations": > > In psychology and > psychiatry , > *clanging* or *clang association* refers to a mode of speech > and logical association to two or more words primarily based > upon word sounds when no logical association between the words > exists. For example, rhyming > or alliteration > may lead to the > appearance of logical connections where none in fact exists. > This, just one manifestation amongst a more general spectrum > of thought disorders > , is associated > with the irregular thinking apparent in psychotic > mental illnesses > (e.g. > schizophrenia). > > > Now this is the kind of categorization I can get behind. We > should insist that the article include a sub-heading: > > In poetry: what we do; how we live our lives. > > Best, > > Jerry, the schizophrenic mentally ill psychotic (i.e., "poet," > one of several thought disorders) > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website: > http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Wed Sep 7 15:34:40 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:34:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] sound associations Message-ID: <16706594.1315424080578.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Sep 7 17:09:21 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:09:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] sound associations In-Reply-To: <16706594.1315424080578.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16706594.1315424080578.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CE3BB98815F813-EEC-147E1@webmail-d152.sysops.aol.com> You fellows are proving to be of 'unsound minds'. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sound associations spittoon, Cahoon, rune, coon. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Sep 7, 2011 3:23 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sound associations jejeune cocoon. maroon platoon. detune balloon? JM On 9/7/2011 2:12 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: spoon, simoon, octoroon, macaroon, goon, soon, croon, noon, loon, tune, attune, boon, rigadoon, brigadoon, -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Sep 7, 2011 2:02 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sound associations E.g. "moon" and "June" Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: This just in from Wikipedia's article about "clang associations": In psychology and psychiatry, clanging or clang association refers to a mode of speech and logical association to two or more words primarily based upon word sounds when no logical association between the words exists. For example, rhyming or alliteration may lead to the appearance of logical connections where none in fact exists. This, just one manifestation amongst a more general spectrum of thought disorders, is associated with the irregular thinking apparent in psychotic mental illnesses (e.g. schizophrenia). Now this is the kind of categorization I can get behind. We should insist that the article include a sub-heading: In poetry: what we do; how we live our lives. Best, Jerry, the schizophrenic mentally ill psychotic (i.e., "poet," one of several thought disorders) -- _______________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire nglish Department Box 44691 niversity of Louisiana at Lafayette afayette LA 70504-4691 37-482-5478 reative Writing Website: ttp://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html _____________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- _______________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire nglish Department Box 44691 niversity of Louisiana at Lafayette afayette LA 70504-4691 37-482-5478 reative Writing Website: ttp://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html _____________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mr. Fagin, 74 years old, second-generation beat, New York School veteran, friend of Ted Berrigan, publisher of Ashbery, lives with his wife, Susan Noel, also a writer, in adjoining rent-controlled apartments in the building near Avenue A. Although Mr. Fagin ? a handsome, T-shirt-and-jeans kind of guy with a square build, tousled silver hair and a cheerful air of insubordination ? now collects Social Security, his chief source of income for decades has been giving private creative-writing lessons and editing and producing small magazines and chapbooks from the work of students and friends. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Sep 7 19:27:31 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:27:31 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? Message-ID: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/beyond-translation/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Sep 7 19:48:40 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 19:48:40 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? In-Reply-To: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9E1EC1FA2A9C4409A5B549220A4E6C07@bPC> Pretty insipid stuff, even for the New York Times. But the author mentioned Cummings, and spelled his name right, so I shouldn't be too upset with him. --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/beyond-translation/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Wed Sep 7 19:49:52 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:49:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? In-Reply-To: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E680320.7070700@louisiana.edu> My favorite reply to "what does it mean" is Frost's: "Do you want me to say it again in worse language?" Cheers, Jerry On 9/7/2011 6:27 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/beyond-translation/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Sep 7 20:35:44 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:35:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? In-Reply-To: <9E1EC1FA2A9C4409A5B549220A4E6C07@bPC> References: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> <9E1EC1FA2A9C4409A5B549220A4E6C07@bPC> Message-ID: <8CE3BD66151053F-56C-3D4EE@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> I thought it was good. Anyway I encountered it trying to find the exact citation to this quote: ?A poem is about something the way a cat is about the house.? ?Allen Grossman or as it sometimes appears... "Art is about something the way a cat is about the house." Which I've not found. I encountered the quote in Daniel Hall's foreword to The Veiled Suite: Collected Poems of Agha Shahid Ali, which I only encountered today. Even the materiality of words requires a certain amount of agreement. The word 'pint' must be pronounced the way it is because we agree upon it. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? Pretty insipid stuff, even for the New York Times. But the author mentioned Cummings, and spelled his name right, so I shouldn't be too upset with him. --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/beyond-translation/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Sep 7 20:42:33 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:42:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? In-Reply-To: <4E680320.7070700@louisiana.edu> References: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> <4E680320.7070700@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <85B1C905C7EE48929088C0169D5FA448@bPC> My reply is always to say what my poem is about. That generally takes care of the matter. --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? My favorite reply to "what does it mean" is Frost's: "Do you want me to say it again in worse language?" Cheers, Jerry On 9/7/2011 6:27 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/beyond-translation/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Sep 7 21:21:15 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:21:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] So what is your poem about? In-Reply-To: <8CE3BD66151053F-56C-3D4EE@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3BCCD96494F9-56C-3C919@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com><9E1EC1FA2A9C4409A5B549220A4E6C07@bPC> <8CE3BD66151053F-56C-3D4EE@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0AA853B6BA554F58A6E94A93F9C279D9@bPC> I found it simple-minded because all it seems to me to be saying is that no words about some X can have the same effect as the X. This holds for other specimens of X than poems, which our Times philosopher doesn't seem to realize. Anyway, so what. We (I mean, most of us) use words to communicate, not to replicate. And words can convey as much of a sense of a poem as of a tree. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:58:53 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:58:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Truck rolls on into September - Which way is left? In-Reply-To: <1315242708.48959.YahooMailNeo@web110409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1315242708.48959.YahooMailNeo@web110409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The current driver at *Truck *has some requests to make of you. (More in the attached message.) Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Tod Edgerton Date: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM Subject: Truck rolls on into September - Which way is left? To: "halvard at gmail.com" , "POETICS at LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU" After a bit of holiday weekend transmission difficulties, Truck is up and running smoothly--or will be as soon as YOU contribute to it. Yes, back seat drivers are actively desired. The wheel is waiting for your direction. On the windshield you'll find a few questions. Answer them honestly or answer them wildly, straightly, queerly, or as very slantly and quite delightfully askew as you please to pleasure us. As creative or confessional (or creatively confessional, if you must) as you see fit. You'll find the details in the passenger seat of Truck: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/2011/09/which-way-is-left.html. Cheers, Tod ----- Michael Tod Edgerton http://whatmostvividly.com _______________________ If the challenge of our time is the challenge of empathy, to make an empathetic relation; that is, to see another person, to feel their pain, story, whatever--that--that how can a poetic material making be part of--of that? ~ Ann Hamilton, in an interview about her installation, Indigo Blue ------------------------------ *From:* Halvard Johnson *To:* POETICS at LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU *Sent:* Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:12 AM *Subject:* Truck rolls on into September Truck rolls on into September< http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/2011/08/truck-rolls-on-into-september.html > Thank you, Ken Wolman, for guiding *Truck* during August. Our new driver, taking over tomorrow, is Michael Tod Edgerton. I think you'll find the keys under the driver's seat, Michael. *?Buen viaje!* * http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/* * *Note: Seeing Truck through to the end of the year will be Kelly Cherry, Andrew Burke, and Lewis LaCook. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Remains To Be Seen< https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tII1LvsGmJpmLby_dyie77p3D2u2sAwcJL3TuW5T-nY/edit?hl=en_US > , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems< https://docs.google.com/document/d/16pWoy7FBSWyCLWpz0hhI-i0BOYjSBeUiqfWBmJF3g64/edit?hl=en_US > , Mainly Black< https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1i_JGJ_FqQldEnUq7cwjV8giYykz_tsGbTkC2EkAP3IM&hl=en&pli=1# > , **Obras P?blicas< https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/halvard-johnson-obras-publicas> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets< http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones< http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1 > ; **Tango Bouquet< https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en> ; **Theory of Harmony< https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf > ; **Rapsodie espagnole< https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway< http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3 > ; **The Sonnet Project< https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * * * ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Through such trafficking with his poetic elders, Burnside is able to provide his consciously "belated" poetry with the patina of mystery and to supply his psyche with the vocabulary needed to articulate its own elusive ancientness: "Before the songs I sang there were the songs / they came from, patent shreds / of Babel, and the secret / Nineveh of back rooms in the dark." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Sep 8 20:46:03 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:46:03 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Meet Mr. Yeats Message-ID: <8CE3CA0FCB0BD94-1298-1C60B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/programs/event/617 Sunday, September 18, 7:00PM Monday, September 19, 7:00PM Poetry Foundation 61 West Superior Street? A cast of well-known local actors brings to life the dramatic biography and gripping words of William Butler Yeats. 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Sep 9 14:32:21 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:32:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE3D2733AC8D9E-1030-2BB33@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3D2733AC8D9E-1030-2BB33@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E6A5BB5.1060401@nut-n-but.net> On 9/9/2011 11:46 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/sep/05/carol-ann-duffy-poetry-texting-competition > > "The poem is a form of texting ... it's the original text," says Carol > Ann Duffy . "It's a > perfecting of a feeling in language -- it's a way of saying more with > less, just as texting is. We've got to realise that the Facebook > generation is the future -- Good grief. Oh well, she /is /the British poet laureate, isn't she? Or is she the one that had to resign? In any case, she's super-certified, so I guess I should expect such remarks from her. Or maybe I'm just another left-behind elderly codger. Certainly, every time I go to Facebook I get more disgusted with it. Especially the criticism of the future it features: how many times halfwits hit the "like" button under a poem. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Sep 9 14:36:30 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:36:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <29897878.1315587715880.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29897878.1315587715880.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E6A5CAE.6010603@nut-n-but.net> On 9/9/2011 12:01 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > Poetry is a kind of morse code. Flash code. Smoke signal. > > Nobody's ever credited Duffy with an excess of grey matter (note the > spelling--hey, she's English). Sure is a good thing for Poetry that poets like Duffy rather than Mark and I get big play in the mainstream media, isn't it, Jeff. Not that she is entirely trivial: yes, tweetical minimalism /is/ becoming a larger part of the future of poetry, it seems to me. Rah rah, haiku. But, but . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Sep 9 13:56:24 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cup o' Po Message-ID: <8CE3D30EC8F2906-1030-2CFFA@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> In Penguin.com Video & Audio Network... http://us.penguingroup.com/static/pages/publishersoffice/radioroom/0910/cop/i_see_england.html#vmix_media_id=19072333 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Sep 9 14:25:34 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <29897878.1315587715880.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29897878.1315587715880.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CE3D34FFE839A6-1030-2D86F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Poetry is a kind of morse code. Flash code. Smoke signal. Nobody's ever credited Duffy with an excess of grey matter (note the spelling--hey, she's English). -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Sep 9, 2011 12:46 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/sep/05/carol-ann-duffy-poetry-texting-competition "The poem is a form of texting ... it's the original text," says Carol Ann Duffy. "It's a perfecting of a feeling in language ? it's a way of saying more with less, just as texting is. We've got to realise that the Facebook generation is the future ? and, oddly enough, poetry is the perfect form for them. It's a kind of time capsule ? it allows feelings and ideas to travel big distances in a very condensed form." _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Sep 9 16:25:57 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:25:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE3D34FFE839A6-1030-2D86F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <29897878.1315587715880.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3D34FFE839A6-1030-2D86F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E6A7655.8070300@nut-n-but.net> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that > 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between > 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the > culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the > culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their > mutual predilection for concision. > Finnegan One thing she seems oblivious of is the difference between concision and shortness. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 15:57:21 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:57:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Message-ID: <14822459.1315598241938.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Sep 9 16:40:01 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:40:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <14822459.1315598241938.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14822459.1315598241938.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware with software. That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== > > --- > > On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. >> >> Finnegan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 16:51:49 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:51:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Message-ID: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Sep 9 17:09:45 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:09:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> Lately I've become re-interested in Allen Ginsberg's "American Sentences." Essentially it seems an attempt to Americanize the haiku form, mainly by doing away with the lineation. But he kept the 17-syllable constraint (unlike many translated haiku as well as homegrown products that are essentially free verse). Anyway, it's a form like any other, neither good nor bad in itself, but fun to play with. Here's my favorite of Ginsberg's: Tompkins Square-- Lower East Side N.Y. Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. 1987 --Allen Ginsberg ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry > > I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > >> >> --- >> >> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. >>> >>> Finnegan >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Sep 9 17:20:29 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:20:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CE3D4D6F4BE24D-1604-43F6F@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> You may know this, but this guy Paul Nelson has a site devoted to the form. http://www.americansentences.org/ Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 5:09 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Lately I've become re-interested in Allen Ginsberg's "American Sentences." Essentially it seems an attempt to Americanize the haiku form, mainly by doing away with the lineation. But he kept the 17-syllable constraint (unlike many translated haiku as well as homegrown products that are essentially free verse). Anyway, it's a form like any other, neither good nor bad in itself, but fun to play with. Here's my favorite of Ginsberg's: Tompkins Square-- Lower East Side N.Y. Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. 1987 --Allen Ginsberg ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware with software. That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== --- On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. Finnegan _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Sep 9 17:30:38 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:30:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> No Fortune For You We were sitting around a little table eating chinese & kibitzing, chopsticks and teeth in full display, when someone grabbed a fortune cookie to read aloud, followed by the customary jibes and laughter? When it was my turn I broke open an empty crescent of baked dough, and though It took me a couple seconds to realize I had no printed slip of prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, and maybe it was my attained age, or the surprise on my face, but mouth open, no words came out as though no fortune meant no future for you. -- -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware with software. That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== --- On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Fri Sep 9 22:26:51 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:26:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E6ACAEB.6090209@louisiana.edu> I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one fortune from the economy) for many years. I use them in classes as examples of compression--of what makes a line interesting or "good," or makes it "work." (My prime dictum: "Never write a line of poetry worse than a fortune cookie.") I re-wrote lots of "bad" (uninteresting, dull, obvious) fortunes to create quirky, more interesting (I hope) alternatives, and had students pick a handful out of a hat and read them aloud, distinguishing what they thought were "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must have written. (I of course also asked them to write their own.) I strung piles of those together and, when I gave readings, would haul them out and pick randomly through them--an interesting effect, I think. But I also put one poem together (in the form, sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up of a selection of them--lines from actual cookies and lines I re-wrote or wrote from scratch. When I've read this one aloud I've usually asked a woman from the audience to volunteer to read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE HAPPINESS DOUBLE FORTUNES INN** /His/Many will like you because you always tell the truth.// /Hers/Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues. /His/Good things come to those who pray often and are generous with their friends.// /Hers/Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its shoulders. /His/Simplicity of character is the natural result of profound thought.// /Hers/Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present. // /His/Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life.// /Hers/In future life you will be forced to watch while others please themselves. // /His/You have an unusually magnetic personality.// /Hers/When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a darkened room. // /His/You are heading for a land of sunshine.// /Hers/When you are old, even the snow is too warm. // /His/You will become a great philanthropist in your later years.// /Hers/Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare. // /His/An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers.// /Hers/Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with one eye shut. // /His/A friend asks only for your time, not your money.// /Hers/Friends are generous because love is cheap. // /His/You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your own mind to occupy you.// /Hers/You must pay for your happiest moment with another's sadness. // /His/Success is a journey, not a destination.// /Hers/Where you are going there are many blind pathways. // /His/Your life will be happy and peaceful.// /Hers/Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation. // /His/Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals.// /Hers/You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before you die. // /His/The best times of your life have not yet been lived.// /Hers/You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. // /His/A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains.// /Hers/A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic! // /His/It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today.// /Hers/Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven. // /His/Good things are coming to you in due course of time.// /Hers/Dogs will fight over your remains. // /His/Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents.// /Hers/A rich man will hire you to wash his animals. // /His/Good luck is the result of good planning.// /Hers/You will acquire more pets than rooms. // /His/For every dark night there is a brighter day.// /Hers/Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop dreaming. // /His/The greatest wisdom is love.// /Hers/Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's glasses. // /His/You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and feeling. /Hers/You will be struck by lightning while playing charades.// Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain anonymous sources for many of the lines. Jerry On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > No Fortune For You > We were sitting around > a little table eating > chinese & kibitzing, > chopsticks and teeth > in full display, when someone > grabbed a fortune cookie > to read aloud, followed > by the customary jibes > and laughter... > When it was my turn > I broke open an empty > crescent of baked dough, > and though It took me > a couple seconds to realize > I had no printed slip of > prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, > and maybe it was my > attained age, or the surprise > on my face, but mouth open, > no words came out > as though no fortune > meant no future for you. > > > -- > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction at earthlink.net > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether > tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability > to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and > teaching poetry > > I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses > hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments > with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such > purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, > than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > >> >> --- >> >> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM,jforjames at aol.comwrote: >>> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's >>> emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But >>> the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made >>> manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less >>> commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't >>> be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. >>> Finnegan >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 07:47:29 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:47:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE3D4D6F4BE24D-1604-43F6F@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> <8CE3D4D6F4BE24D-1604-43F6F@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Interesting, not Duffy, but the development of the story, with the essay on Twitter and the American Sentences, site supported by Paul Nelson, a poet hosted on the Poets' Corner. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:20 PM, wrote: > You may know this, but this guy Paul Nelson has a site devoted to the form. > http://www.americansentences.org/ > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 5:09 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry > > Lately I've become re-interested in Allen Ginsberg's "American Sentences." > Essentially it seems an attempt to Americanize the haiku form, mainly by > doing away with the lineation. But he kept the 17-syllable constraint > (unlike many translated haiku as well as homegrown products that are > essentially free verse). Anyway, it's a form like any other, neither good > nor bad in itself, but fun to play with. > > Here's my favorite of Ginsberg's: > > * Tompkins Square-- Lower East Side N.Y.* > Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. > > * 1987* > --Allen Ginsberg > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet > or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise > and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > **I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses > hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets > working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a > specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > --- > > **On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry > consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it > is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less > commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged > by their mutual predilection for concision. > > Finnegan > > > ** > > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 10:28:10 2011 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:28:10 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry In-Reply-To: <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> Message-ID: David, Is there an essay you can link in which Ginsberg parses out this form a bit? Best, Jeff Newberry On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:09 PM, David Graham wrote: > Lately I've become re-interested in Allen Ginsberg's "American Sentences." > Essentially it seems an attempt to Americanize the haiku form, mainly by > doing away with the lineation. But he kept the 17-syllable constraint > (unlike many translated haiku as well as homegrown products that are > essentially free verse). Anyway, it's a form like any other, neither good > nor bad in itself, but fun to play with. > > Here's my favorite of Ginsberg's: > > * Tompkins Square-- Lower East Side N.Y.* > > ** **Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an > umbrella. > > > * 1987* > --Allen Ginsberg > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet > or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise > and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham ** > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > ************I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison > confuses hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets > working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a > specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > ---**** > > ************On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry > consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it > is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less > commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged > by their mutual predilection for concision. > > Finnegan > > > ******** > > > ******** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 12:56:56 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:56:56 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: it could mean soooooo much fortune that a tiny paper could not contain it, that's the cause of and reason for its non existence. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > No Fortune For You > > We were sitting around > a little table eating > chinese & kibitzing, > chopsticks and teeth > in full display, when someone > grabbed a fortune cookie > to read aloud, followed > by the customary jibes > and laughter? > When it was my turn > I broke open an empty > crescent of baked dough, > and though It took me > a couple seconds to realize > I had no printed slip of > prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, > and maybe it was my > attained age, or the surprise > on my face, but mouth open, > no words came out > as though no fortune > meant no future for you. > > > -- > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction at earthlink.net > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet > or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise > and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > **I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses > hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets > working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a > specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > --- > > **On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry > consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it > is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less > commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged > by their mutual predilection for concision. > > Finnegan > > > ** > > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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I guess the sense of almost the personal shock of > what had happened to my city,? he says. ?But it took a while. It came about > pretty slowly.? > > Martin, Bronx-born and now a Syracuse resident, finished ?After 9/11? in > two months. He?s not sure what compelled him to write the poem. Perhaps ?a > sense of the history of that time and the history of our time,? he says. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 07:34:05 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:34:05 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] 9/11 In-Reply-To: References: , , <8CE3E340D7D4D45-15D4-14514@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: I'm traveling down in Grumman Country, Florida. Well, south by southeast. There's a 9/11 Memorial in DelRay later today I'll attend. He's up there ramrod straight with Col. West, I believe. I'm down here in shouting range of the Blabbermouth. Will report. Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:33:07 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 9/11 Thank you Richard. James, you logically know that my Charles Martin is a different Charles Martin from yours, although both from New York. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:51 AM, wrote: http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2011/09/post_58.html Poet Charles Martin aims to capture sense of loss, and of memory, that he experienced on Sept. 11 ?I was trying to set down in words what that very peculiar time was like. The strangeness of it. I guess the sense of almost the personal shock of what had happened to my city,? he says. ?But it took a while. It came about pretty slowly.? Martin, Bronx-born and now a Syracuse resident, finished ?After 9/11? in two months. He?s not sure what compelled him to write the poem. Perhaps ?a sense of the history of that time and the history of our time,? he says. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 08:00:12 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:00:12 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] 9/11 In-Reply-To: References: <8CE3E340D7D4D45-15D4-14514@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Say hello to our Blabbermouth! Have a nice trip, On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 1:34 PM, R Dillon wrote: > I'm traveling down in Grumman Country, Florida. Well, south by > southeast. There's a 9/11 Memorial in DelRay later today I'll attend. He's > up there ramrod straight with Col. West, I believe. I'm down here in > shouting range of the Blabbermouth. Will report. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:33:07 +0200 > > From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 9/11 > > > Thank you Richard. > James, you logically know that my Charles Martin is a different Charles > Martin from yours, although both from New York. > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:51 AM, wrote: > > http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2011/09/post_58.html > Poet Charles Martin aims to capture sense of loss, and of memory, that he > experienced on Sept. 11 > > ?I was trying to set down in words what that very peculiar time was like. > The strangeness of it. I guess the sense of almost the personal shock of > what had happened to my city,? he says. ?But it took a while. It came about > pretty slowly.? > > Martin, Bronx-born and now a Syracuse resident, finished ?After 9/11? in > two months. He?s not sure what compelled him to write the poem. Perhaps ?a > sense of the history of that time and the history of our time,? he says. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In my fortune cookie, I got the following fortune: DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT I mailed the slip of paper to the White House, mentioning that the Chinese restaurant was located within a mile of Nixon's original house, and I said, "I think a mistake has been made; by accident I got Mr. Nixon's fortune. Does he have mine?" The White House did not answer. from The Shifting Realities of PK Dick On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one fortune from > the economy) for many years. I use them in classes as examples of > compression--of what makes a line interesting or "good," or makes it "work." > (My prime dictum: "Never write a line of poetry worse than a fortune > cookie.") I re-wrote lots of "bad" (uninteresting, dull, obvious) fortunes > to create quirky, more interesting (I hope) alternatives, and had students > pick a handful out of a hat and read them aloud, distinguishing what they > thought were "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must have > written. (I of course also asked them to write their own.) I strung piles of > those together and, when I gave readings, would haul them out and pick > randomly through them--an interesting effect, I think. But I also put one > poem together (in the form, sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up of a > selection of them--lines from actual cookies and lines I re-wrote or wrote > from scratch. When I've read this one aloud I've usually asked a woman from > the audience to volunteer to read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: > > > THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE HAPPINESS DOUBLE > FORTUNES INN** > > **** > > **** > > *His *Many will like you because you always tell the truth.** > > *Hers *Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues.**** > > **** > > *His *Good things come to those who pray often and are generous with > their friends.** > > *Hers *Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its shoulders.* > *** > > **** > > *His *Simplicity of character is the natural result of profound > thought.** > > *Hers *Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present.**** > > * * > > *His *Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life.** > > *Hers *In future life you will be forced to watch while others please > themselves.**** > > * * > > *His *You have an unusually magnetic personality.** > > *Hers *When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a darkened > room.**** > > * * > > *His *You are heading for a land of sunshine.** > > *Hers *When you are old, even the snow is too warm.**** > > * * > > *His *You will become a great philanthropist in your later years.** > > *Hers *Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare.**** > > * * > > *His *An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers.** > > *Hers *Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with one eye > shut.**** > > * * > > *His *A friend asks only for your time, not your money.** > > *Hers *Friends are generous because love is cheap.**** > > * * > > *His *You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your own mind > to occupy you.** > > *Hers *You must pay for your happiest moment with another's sadness.**** > > * * > > *His *Success is a journey, not a destination.** > > *Hers *Where you are going there are many blind pathways.**** > > * * > > *His *Your life will be happy and peaceful.** > > *Hers *Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or > a nation.**** > > * * > > *His *Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals.** > > *Hers *You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before you die.* > *** > > * * > > *His *The best times of your life have not yet been lived.** > > *Hers *You may attend a party where strange customs prevail.**** > > * * > > *His *A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains.** > > *Hers *A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic!**** > > * * > > *His *It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today.** > > *Hers *Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven.**** > > * * > > *His *Good things are coming to you in due course of time.** > > *Hers *Dogs will fight over your remains.**** > > * * > > *His *Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents.** > > *Hers *A rich man will hire you to wash his animals.**** > > * * > > *His *Good luck is the result of good planning.** > > *Hers *You will acquire more pets than rooms.**** > > * * > > *His *For every dark night there is a brighter day.** > > *Hers *Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop dreaming.**** > > * * > > *His *The greatest wisdom is love.** > > *Hers *Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's glasses. * > *** > > * * > > *His *You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and > feeling.**** > > *Hers *You will be struck by lightning while playing charades.** > > **** > > > > > **** > Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain anonymous > sources for many of the lines. > > Jerry > > > > > > On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > No Fortune For You > > We were sitting around > a little table eating > chinese & kibitzing, > chopsticks and teeth > in full display, when someone > grabbed a fortune cookie > to read aloud, followed > by the customary jibes > and laughter? > When it was my turn > I broke open an empty > crescent of baked dough, > and though It took me > a couple seconds to realize > I had no printed slip of > prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, > and maybe it was my > attained age, or the surprise > on my face, but mouth open, > no words came out > as though no fortune > meant no future for you. > > > -- > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction at earthlink.net > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > > > Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet > or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise > and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching > poetry > > **I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses > hardware with software. > > That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets > working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a > specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. > > Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: > > http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > --- > > **On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry > consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it > is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less > commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged > by their mutual predilection for concision. > > Finnegan > > > ** > > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Sep 11 12:10:27 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] 9/11 In-Reply-To: References: <8CE3E340D7D4D45-15D4-14514@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE3EB474354B15-1854-13B2A@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Anny, I didn't know that. thanks, Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:33 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 9/11 Thank you Richard. James, you logically know that my Charles Martin is a different Charles Martin from yours, although both from New York. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:51 AM, wrote: http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2011/09/post_58.html Poet Charles Martin aims to capture sense of loss, and of memory, that he experienced on Sept. 11 ?I was trying to set down in words what that very peculiar time was like. The strangeness of it. I guess the sense of almost the personal shock of what had happened to my city,? he says. ?But it took a while. It came about pretty slowly.? Martin, Bronx-born and now a Syracuse resident, finished ?After 9/11? in two months. He?s not sure what compelled him to write the poem. Perhaps ?a sense of the history of that time and the history of our time,? he says. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Sep 11 12:18:04 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:18:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> <4E6ACAEB.6090209@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4E6CDF3C.1000705@louisiana.edu> If there's anything like a "universal fortune," Anny, this sounds like it. Jerry On 9/11/2011 7:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Jerry, look what I found: > > Just about the time that the Supreme Court was ruling that the Nixon > tapes had to be turned over to the special prosecutor, I was eating at > a Chinese restaurant in Yorba Linda, the town in California where > Nixon went to school -- where he grew up, worked at a grocery store, > where there is a park named after him, and of course the Nixon house, > simple clapboard and all that. In my fortune cookie, I got the > following fortune: > > DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A > > WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT > > I mailed the slip of paper to the White House, mentioning that the > Chinese restaurant was located within a mile of Nixon's original > house, and I said, "I think a mistake has been made; by accident I got > Mr. Nixon's fortune. Does he have mine?" The White House did not answer. > > > from The Shifting Realities of PK Dick > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: > > I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one fortune > from the economy) for many years. I use them in classes as > examples of compression--of what makes a line interesting or > "good," or makes it "work." (My prime dictum: "Never write a line > of poetry worse than a fortune cookie.") I re-wrote lots of "bad" > (uninteresting, dull, obvious) fortunes to create quirky, more > interesting (I hope) alternatives, and had students pick a handful > out of a hat and read them aloud, distinguishing what they thought > were "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must > have written. (I of course also asked them to write their own.) I > strung piles of those together and, when I gave readings, would > haul them out and pick randomly through them--an interesting > effect, I think. But I also put one poem together (in the form, > sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up of a selection of them--lines > from actual cookies and lines I re-wrote or wrote from scratch. > When I've read this one aloud I've usually asked a woman from the > audience to volunteer to read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: > > > THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE HAPPINESS > DOUBLE FORTUNES INN > > /His/Many will like you because you always tell the truth. > > /Hers/Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues. > > /His/Good things come to those who pray often and are generous > with their friends. > > /Hers/Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its shoulders. > > /His/Simplicity of character is the natural result of profound > thought. > > /Hers/Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present. > > // > > /His/Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. > > /Hers/In future life you will be forced to watch while others > please themselves. > > // > > /His/You have an unusually magnetic personality. > > /Hers/When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a darkened > room. > > // > > /His/You are heading for a land of sunshine. > > /Hers/When you are old, even the snow is too warm. > > // > > /His/You will become a great philanthropist in your later years. > > /Hers/Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare. > > // > > /His/An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers. > > /Hers/Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with one > eye shut. > > // > > /His/A friend asks only for your time, not your money. > > /Hers/Friends are generous because love is cheap. > > // > > /His/You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your own > mind to occupy you. > > /Hers/You must pay for your happiest moment with another's sadness. > > // > > /His/Success is a journey, not a destination. > > /Hers/Where you are going there are many blind pathways. > > // > > /His/Your life will be happy and peaceful. > > /Hers/Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a > nation. > > // > > /His/Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals. > > /Hers/You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before you die. > > // > > /His/The best times of your life have not yet been lived. > > /Hers/You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. > > // > > /His/A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains. > > /Hers/A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic! > > // > > /His/It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today. > > /Hers/Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven. > > // > > /His/Good things are coming to you in due course of time. > > /Hers/Dogs will fight over your remains. > > // > > /His/Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents. > > /Hers/A rich man will hire you to wash his animals. > > // > > /His/Good luck is the result of good planning. > > /Hers/You will acquire more pets than rooms. > > // > > /His/For every dark night there is a brighter day. > > /Hers/Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop dreaming. > > // > > /His/The greatest wisdom is love. > > /Hers/Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's glasses. > > // > > /His/You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and feeling. > > /Hers/You will be struck by lightning while playing charades. > > > > > Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain > anonymous sources for many of the lines. > > Jerry > > > > > > On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com > wrote: >> No Fortune For You >> We were sitting around >> a little table eating >> chinese & kibitzing, >> chopsticks and teeth >> in full display, when someone >> grabbed a fortune cookie >> to read aloud, followed >> by the customary jibes >> and laughter... >> When it was my turn >> I broke open an empty >> crescent of baked dough, >> and though It took me >> a couple seconds to realize >> I had no printed slip of >> prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, >> and maybe it was my >> attained age, or the surprise >> on my face, but mouth open, >> no words came out >> as though no fortune >> meant no future for you. >> >> >> -- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: junction at earthlink.net >> To: NewPoetry List >> >> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and >> teaching poetry >> >> >> >> Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, >> whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for >> their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate >> lottery numbers. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Graham >> Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and >> teaching poetry >> >> I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison >> confuses hardware with software. >> >> That said, there have been some mighty interesting >> experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A >> tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much >> less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. >> >> Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: >> >> http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM,jforjames at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's >>>> emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. >>>> But the difference between 'texting' as it is >>>> commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as >>>> it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a >>>> divide that can't be bridged by their >>>> mutual predilection for concision. >>>> Finnegan >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 12:24:52 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:24:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you Message-ID: <3777988.1315758292930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Sep 11 12:20:54 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <4E6CDF3C.1000705@louisiana.edu> References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3D4EDA4F86F1-1604-4414B@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> <4E6ACAEB.6090209@louisiana.edu> <4E6CDF3C.1000705@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <3DD3E624-6481-40C9-93D7-F5E7678A7957@ripon.edu> My wife once received this fortune in a cookie: Ignore previous fortunes. Please note that I've got dibs on it. Mine. You'd better not write a poem about it.... ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > If there's anything like a "universal fortune," Anny, this sounds like it. > > Jerry > > On 9/11/2011 7:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> Jerry, look what I found: >> >> Just about the time that the Supreme Court was ruling that the Nixon tapes had to be turned over to the special prosecutor, I was eating at a Chinese restaurant in Yorba Linda, the town in California where Nixon went to school -- where he grew up, worked at a grocery store, where there is a park named after him, and of course the Nixon house, simple clapboard and all that. In my fortune cookie, I got the following fortune: >> >> >> DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A >> >> WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Sep 11 12:29:15 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:29:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] American Sentences In-Reply-To: References: <22456395.1315601510301.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436BABCB-51A0-440E-AC86-DD7584B6107F@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <78244E25-FF95-4F7B-AC24-025AD34B4FC6@ripon.edu> Jeff, I'm not aware offhand of any online material by Ginsberg on The American Sentence. But the link that Jim Finnegan posted is very good, and contains a lot of useful material. Also check AG's collected poems for his own efforts--in one of his later books, as I recall. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > David, > > Is there an essay you can link in which Ginsberg parses out this form a bit? > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:09 PM, David Graham wrote: > Lately I've become re-interested in Allen Ginsberg's "American Sentences." Essentially it seems an attempt to Americanize the haiku form, mainly by doing away with the lineation. But he kept the 17-syllable constraint (unlike many translated haiku as well as homegrown products that are essentially free verse). Anyway, it's a form like any other, neither good nor bad in itself, but fun to play with. > > Here's my favorite of Ginsberg's: > > Tompkins Square-- Lower East Side N.Y. > > Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. > > 1987 > > --Allen Ginsberg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Sep 11 12:51:52 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:51:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <3777988.1315758292930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3777988.1315758292930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E6CE728.7010804@louisiana.edu> Please don't let this idea get out. Jerry On 9/11/2011 11:24 AM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > My favorite, after the end of a long relationship, out with friends > for a consolation dinner, "better alone than in bad company." Which I > got again, in similar circumstances, 10 years later. And at no other time. > > Which leads to a thought. For a number of years in the eighties > "escorts" advertised in New York by having the streets littered with > business cards with their picture (or somebody's picture) in lingerie > and a phone number. Seems to me that there's a business model for > fortune cookies here. Imagine opening a cookie to find "Hey, cutie, > call me!" and a phone number. Or for that matter "drink coca cola" or > "Obama, he's your man." > > Remind me not to suggest this to any advertising types. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:18 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you > > If there's anything like a "universal fortune," Anny, this sounds > like it. > > Jerry > > On 9/11/2011 7:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> Jerry, look what I found: >> >> Just about the time that the Supreme Court was ruling that the >> Nixon tapes had to be turned over to the special prosecutor, I >> was eating at a Chinese restaurant in Yorba Linda, the town in >> California where Nixon went to school -- where he grew up, worked >> at a grocery store, where there is a park named after him, and of >> course the Nixon house, simple clapboard and all that. In my >> fortune cookie, I got the following fortune: >> >> DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A >> >> WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT >> >> I mailed the slip of paper to the White House, mentioning that >> the Chinese restaurant was located within a mile of Nixon's >> original house, and I said, "I think a mistake has been made; by >> accident I got Mr. Nixon's fortune. Does he have mine?" The White >> House did not answer. >> >> >> from The Shifting Realities of PK Dick >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Jerry McGuire >> > wrote: >> >> I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one >> fortune from the economy) for many years. I use them in >> classes as examples of compression--of what makes a line >> interesting or "good," or makes it "work." (My prime dictum: >> "Never write a line of poetry worse than a fortune cookie.") >> I re-wrote lots of "bad" (uninteresting, dull, obvious) >> fortunes to create quirky, more interesting (I hope) >> alternatives, and had students pick a handful out of a hat >> and read them aloud, distinguishing what they thought were >> "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must >> have written. (I of course also asked them to write their >> own.) I strung piles of those together and, when I gave >> readings, would haul them out and pick randomly through >> them--an interesting effect, I think. But I also put one poem >> together (in the form, sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up >> of a selection of them--lines from actual cookies and lines I >> re-wrote or wrote from scratch. When I've read this one aloud >> I've usually asked a woman from the audience to volunteer to >> read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: >> >> >> THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE >> HAPPINESS DOUBLE FORTUNES INN >> >> /His/Many will like you because you always tell the truth. >> >> /Hers/Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues. >> >> /His/Good things come to those who pray often and are >> generous with their friends. >> >> /Hers/Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its >> shoulders. >> >> /His/Simplicity of character is the natural result of >> profound thought. >> >> /Hers/Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present. >> >> // >> >> /His/Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. >> >> /Hers/In future life you will be forced to watch while others >> please themselves. >> >> // >> >> /His/You have an unusually magnetic personality. >> >> /Hers/When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a >> darkened room. >> >> // >> >> /His/You are heading for a land of sunshine. >> >> /Hers/When you are old, even the snow is too warm. >> >> // >> >> /His/You will become a great philanthropist in your later years. >> >> /Hers/Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare. >> >> // >> >> /His/An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers. >> >> /Hers/Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with >> one eye shut. >> >> // >> >> /His/A friend asks only for your time, not your money. >> >> /Hers/Friends are generous because love is cheap. >> >> // >> >> /His/You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your >> own mind to occupy you. >> >> /Hers/You must pay for your happiest moment with another's >> sadness. >> >> // >> >> /His/Success is a journey, not a destination. >> >> /Hers/Where you are going there are many blind pathways. >> >> // >> >> /His/Your life will be happy and peaceful. >> >> /Hers/Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man >> or a nation. >> >> // >> >> /His/Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals. >> >> /Hers/You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before >> you die. >> >> // >> >> /His/The best times of your life have not yet been lived. >> >> /Hers/You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. >> >> // >> >> /His/A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains. >> >> /Hers/A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic! >> >> // >> >> /His/It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today. >> >> /Hers/Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven. >> >> // >> >> /His/Good things are coming to you in due course of time. >> >> /Hers/Dogs will fight over your remains. >> >> // >> >> /His/Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents. >> >> /Hers/A rich man will hire you to wash his animals. >> >> // >> >> /His/Good luck is the result of good planning. >> >> /Hers/You will acquire more pets than rooms. >> >> // >> >> /His/For every dark night there is a brighter day. >> >> /Hers/Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop >> dreaming. >> >> // >> >> /His/The greatest wisdom is love. >> >> /Hers/Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's >> glasses. >> >> // >> >> /His/You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and >> feeling. >> >> /Hers/You will be struck by lightning while playing charades. >> >> >> >> >> Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain >> anonymous sources for many of the lines. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com >> wrote: >>> No Fortune For You >>> We were sitting around >>> a little table eating >>> chinese & kibitzing, >>> chopsticks and teeth >>> in full display, when someone >>> grabbed a fortune cookie >>> to read aloud, followed >>> by the customary jibes >>> and laughter... >>> When it was my turn >>> I broke open an empty >>> crescent of baked dough, >>> and though It took me >>> a couple seconds to realize >>> I had no printed slip of >>> prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, >>> and maybe it was my >>> attained age, or the surprise >>> on my face, but mouth open, >>> no words came out >>> as though no fortune >>> meant no future for you. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: junction at earthlink.net >>> To: NewPoetry List >>> >>> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting >>> and teaching poetry >>> >>> >>> >>> Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, >>> whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, >>> for their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and >>> generate lottery numbers. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Graham >>> Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM >>> To: NewPoetry List >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on >>> texting and teaching poetry >>> >>> I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison >>> confuses hardware with software. >>> >>> That said, there have been some mighty interesting >>> experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. >>> A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, >>> much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. >>> >>> Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: >>> >>> http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM,jforjames at aol.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on >>>>> Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the >>>>> gists & piths'. But the difference between >>>>> 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the >>>>> culture and 'poemness' as it is less >>>>> commonly made known in the culture, is a divide >>>>> that can't be bridged by their >>>>> mutual predilection for concision. >>>>> Finnegan >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> -- >> Prof. Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu >> 337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:36:57 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:36:57 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] 9/11 In-Reply-To: <8CE3EB474354B15-1854-13B2A@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE3E340D7D4D45-15D4-14514@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com> <8CE3EB474354B15-1854-13B2A@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Here's the one I know: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=178 impressive photography, good essays, interesting poems scattered here and there. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM, wrote: > Anny, > I didn't know that. thanks, > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:33 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 9/11 > > Thank you Richard. > James, you logically know that my Charles Martin is a different Charles > Martin from yours, although both from New York. > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:51 AM, wrote: > >> http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2011/09/post_58.html >> Poet Charles Martin aims to capture sense of loss, and of memory, that he >> experienced on Sept. 11 >> >> ?I was trying to set down in words what that very peculiar time was like. >> The strangeness of it. I guess the sense of almost the personal shock of >> what had happened to my city,? he says. ?But it took a while. It came about >> pretty slowly.? >> >> Martin, Bronx-born and now a Syracuse resident, finished ?After 9/11? in >> two months. He?s not sure what compelled him to write the poem. Perhaps ?a >> sense of the history of that time and the history of our time,? he says. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 16:15:33 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:15:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jimmy Carter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for finding and sharing this. He has been my favorite president for a long time. :) On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/11/president-jimmy-carter-interview > > Jimmy Carter: 'We never dropped a bomb. We never fired a bullet. We never > went to war' > > He may live a modest life in a one-horse town, but Jimmy Carter, now 86, > retains his global vision. And 30 years after leaving the White House, the > peanut farmer turned president is still a man on mission. In Plains, > Georgia, we found the 39th US president full of energy? and determined to > make a difference > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 16:25:12 2011 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:25:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jimmy Carter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anny, I shared this on my Facebook wall. Carter is an amazing man. My family campaigned for him and new him and his wife personally. We lived in Plains, Georgia, when I was a child. I don't understand so much right-wing hatred of the man. Thanks for posting this. Best, Jeff Newberry On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/11/president-jimmy-carter-interview > > Jimmy Carter: 'We never dropped a bomb. We never fired a bullet. We never > went to war' > > He may live a modest life in a one-horse town, but Jimmy Carter, now 86, > retains his global vision. And 30 years after leaving the White House, the > peanut farmer turned president is still a man on mission. In Plains, > Georgia, we found the 39th US president full of energy? and determined to > make a difference > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 17:35:16 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:35:16 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jimmy Carter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Patricia and Jeff. I think hatred is more against the symbol than the person. From my position abroad, I cannot understand the hatred against the States, and when I read poems by Americans against America, then (as they say around here) *my arms fall.*.. I have no idea if you get the idea. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Anny, > > I shared this on my Facebook wall. Carter is an amazing man. My family > campaigned for him and new him and his wife personally. We lived in Plains, > Georgia, when I was a child. > > I don't understand so much right-wing hatred of the man. Thanks for > posting this. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/11/president-jimmy-carter-interview >> >> Jimmy Carter: 'We never dropped a bomb. We never fired a bullet. We never >> went to war' >> >> He may live a modest life in a one-horse town, but Jimmy Carter, now 86, >> retains his global vision. And 30 years after leaving the White House, the >> peanut farmer turned president is still a man on mission. In Plains, >> Georgia, we found the 39th US president full of energy? and determined to >> make a difference >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics > embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and > lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Fortune Cookies for Misanthropes You dog will run away only to turn up living with your neighbors. Be kind to strangers because you are one. Sometimes the hurricane passes without doing damage, but the next day your house burns down. You will die in your sleep but no one will know the difference. You will be only investor left out of the Ponzi scheme. -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you I think, by the way, that my posting these ideas here gives me proprietary rights, which I'd be happy to relinquish in exchange for, say, Tahiti and a house on the Ile St Louis. My lawyers are poised. -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:59 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you It's almost as bad as this other brainstorm. One can project a hologram any place where there are two light sources, and with lasers there are no size limitations. So in theory it should be possible to advertise on the moon or the night sky, in 3-D. I don't think there are any treaties that would govern this--even if territorial boundaries upwards were similar to ocean boundaries, the moon is a lot further that 300 miles away. In theory thew way to do it would be, say, Pepsi covering the moon and sky with "Drink Coca Cola," creating really negative feelings about its rival. I truly hope I misunderstand the science. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:51 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you Please don't let this idea get out. Jerry On 9/11/2011 11:24 AM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: My favorite, after the end of a long relationship, out with friends for a consolation dinner, "better alone than in bad company." Which I got again, in similar circumstances, 10 years later. And at no other time. Which leads to a thought. For a number of years in the eighties "escorts" advertised in New York by having the streets littered with business cards with their picture (or somebody's picture) in lingerie and a phone number. Seems to me that there's a business model for fortune cookies here. Imagine opening a cookie to find "Hey, cutie, call me!" and a phone number. Or for that matter "drink coca cola" or "Obama, he's your man." Remind me not to suggest this to any advertising types. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:18 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you If there's anything like a "universal fortune," Anny, this sounds like it. Jerry On 9/11/2011 7:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: Jerry, look what I found: Just about the time that the Supreme Court was ruling that the Nixon tapes had to be turned over to the special prosecutor, I was eating at a Chinese restaurant in Yorba Linda, the town in California where Nixon went to school -- where he grew up, worked at a grocery store, where there is a park named after him, and of course the Nixon house, simple clapboard and all that. In my fortune cookie, I got the following fortune: DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT I mailed the slip of paper to the White House, mentioning that the Chinese restaurant was located within a mile of Nixon's original house, and I said, "I think a mistake has been made; by accident I got Mr. Nixon's fortune. Does he have mine?" The White House did not answer. from The Shifting Realities of PK Dick On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one fortune from the economy) for many years. I use them in classes as examples of compression--of what makes a line interesting or "good," or makes it "work." (My prime dictum: "Never write a line of poetry worse than a fortune cookie.") I re-wrote lots of "bad" (uninteresting, dull, obvious) fortunes to create quirky, more interesting (I hope) alternatives, and had students pick a handful out of a hat and read them aloud, distinguishing what they thought were "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must have written. (I of course also asked them to write their own.) I strung piles of those together and, when I gave readings, would haul them out and pick randomly through them--an interesting effect, I think. But I also put one poem together (in the form, sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up of a selection of them--lines from actual cookies and lines I re-wrote or wrote from scratch. When I've read this one aloud I've usually asked a woman from the audience to volunteer to read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE HAPPINESS DOUBLE FORTUNES INN His Many will like you because you always tell the truth. Hers Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues. His Good things come to those who pray often and are generous with their friends. Hers Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its shoulders. His Simplicity of character is the natural result of profound thought. Hers Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present. His Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. Hers In future life you will be forced to watch while others please themselves. His You have an unusually magnetic personality. Hers When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a darkened room. His You are heading for a land of sunshine. Hers When you are old, even the snow is too warm. His You will become a great philanthropist in your later years. Hers Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare. His An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers. Hers Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with one eye shut. His A friend asks only for your time, not your money. Hers Friends are generous because love is cheap. His You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your own mind to occupy you. Hers You must pay for your happiest moment with another's sadness. His Success is a journey, not a destination. Hers Where you are going there are many blind pathways. His Your life will be happy and peaceful. Hers Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation. His Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals. Hers You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before you die. His The best times of your life have not yet been lived. Hers You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. His A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains. Hers A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic! His It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today. Hers Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven. His Good things are coming to you in due course of time. Hers Dogs will fight over your remains. His Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents. Hers A rich man will hire you to wash his animals. His Good luck is the result of good planning. Hers You will acquire more pets than rooms. His For every dark night there is a brighter day. Hers Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop dreaming. His The greatest wisdom is love. Hers Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's glasses. His You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and feeling. Hers You will be struck by lightning while playing charades. Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain anonymous sources for many of the lines. Jerry On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: No Fortune For You We were sitting around a little table eating chinese & kibitzing, chopsticks and teeth in full display, when someone grabbed a fortune cookie to read aloud, followed by the customary jibes and laughter? When it was my turn I broke open an empty crescent of baked dough, and though It took me a couple seconds to realize I had no printed slip of prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, and maybe it was my attained age, or the surprise on my face, but mouth open, no words came out as though no fortune meant no future for you. -- -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching poetry I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware with software. That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== --- On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged by their mutual predilection for concision. 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Think how much harder it > must be for an American who is aware of the ruin we've brought to so many, > regardless of the justification.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini ** > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 5:35 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jimmy Carter > > Thank you Patricia and Jeff. I think hatred is more against the symbol than > the person. From my position abroad, I cannot understand the hatred against > the States, and when I read poems by Americans against America, then (as > they say around here) *my arms fall.*.. I have no idea if you get the > idea. > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Anny, >> >> I shared this on my Facebook wall. Carter is an amazing man. My family >> campaigned for him and new him and his wife personally. We lived in Plains, >> Georgia, when I was a child. >> >> I don't understand so much right-wing hatred of the man. Thanks for >> posting this. >> >> Best, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/11/president-jimmy-carter-interview >>> >>> Jimmy Carter: 'We never dropped a bomb. We never fired a bullet. We never >>> went to war' >>> >>> He may live a modest life in a one-horse town, but Jimmy Carter, now 86, >>> retains his global vision. And 30 years after leaving the White House, the >>> peanut farmer turned president is still a man on mission. In Plains, >>> Georgia, we found the 39th US president full of energy? and determined to >>> make a difference >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics >> embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and >> lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 01:53:00 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:53:00 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you In-Reply-To: <8CE3EE867A2504F-1854-1729B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> References: <8159436.1315760521730.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CE3EE867A2504F-1854-1729B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: :-( On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:22 AM, wrote: > Another untapped market... > > Fortune Cookies for Misanthropes > > > You dog will run away only to turn up living with your neighbors. > > Be kind to strangers because you are one. > > Sometimes the hurricane passes without doing damage, but the next day your > house burns down. > > You will die in your sleep but no one will know the difference. > > You will be only investor left out of the Ponzi scheme. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:02 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you > > I think, by the way, that my posting these ideas here gives me proprietary > rights, which I'd be happy to relinquish in exchange for, say, Tahiti and a > house on the Ile St Louis. My lawyers are poised. > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction at earthlink.net > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:59 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you > > **It's almost as bad as this other brainstorm. One can project a hologram > any place where there are two light sources, and with lasers there are no > size limitations. So in theory it should be possible to advertise on the > moon or the night sky, in 3-D. I don't think there are any treaties that > would govern this--even if territorial boundaries upwards were similar to > ocean boundaries, the moon is a lot further that 300 miles away. In theory > thew way to do it would be, say, Pepsi covering the moon and sky with "Drink > Coca Cola," creating really negative feelings about its rival. > > I truly hope I misunderstand the science. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:51 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you > > **Please don't let this idea get out. > > Jerry > > On 9/11/2011 11:24 AM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > My favorite, after the end of a long relationship, out with friends for a > consolation dinner, "better alone than in bad company." Which I got again, > in similar circumstances, 10 years later. And at no other time. > > Which leads to a thought. For a number of years in the eighties "escorts" > advertised in New York by having the streets littered with business cards > with their picture (or somebody's picture) in lingerie and a phone number. > Seems to me that there's a business model for fortune cookies here. Imagine > opening a cookie to find "Hey, cutie, call me!" and a phone number. Or for > that matter "drink coca cola" or "Obama, he's your man." > > Remind me not to suggest this to any advertising types. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 12:18 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] no fortune for you > > **If there's anything like a "universal fortune," Anny, this sounds like > it. > > Jerry > > On 9/11/2011 7:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Jerry, look what I found: > > Just about the time that the Supreme Court was ruling that the > Nixon tapes had to be turned over to the special prosecutor, I was eating at > a Chinese restaurant in Yorba Linda, the town in California where Nixon went > to school -- where he grew up, worked at a grocery store, where there is a > park named after him, and of course the Nixon house, simple clapboard and > all that. In my fortune cookie, I got the following fortune: > > DEEDS DONE IN SECRET HAVE A > WAY OF BECOMING FOUND OUT > > I mailed the slip of paper to the White House, mentioning that the > Chinese restaurant was located within a mile of Nixon's original house, and > I said, "I think a mistake has been made; by accident I got Mr. Nixon's > fortune. Does he have mine?" The White House did not answer. > > from The Shifting Realities of PK Dick > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> I collected fortunes (from cookies--I don't even have one fortune from the >> economy) for many years. I use them in classes as examples of >> compression--of what makes a line interesting or "good," or makes it "work." >> (My prime dictum: "Never write a line of poetry worse than a fortune >> cookie.") I re-wrote lots of "bad" (uninteresting, dull, obvious) fortunes >> to create quirky, more interesting (I hope) alternatives, and had students >> pick a handful out of a hat and read them aloud, distinguishing what they >> thought were "bad" fortunes, "good" fortunes, and fortunes that I must have >> written. (I of course also asked them to write their own.) I strung piles of >> those together and, when I gave readings, would haul them out and pick >> randomly through them--an interesting effect, I think. But I also put one >> poem together (in the form, sort of, of a boy-girl duet) made up of a >> selection of them--lines from actual cookies and lines I re-wrote or wrote >> from scratch. When I've read this one aloud I've usually asked a woman from >> the audience to volunteer to read the "Hers" part. Here's that poem: >> >> >> THANK YOU PLEASE COME SEE US AGAIN HERE AT THE DOUBLE HAPPINESS DOUBLE >> FORTUNES INN >> >> >> *His *Many will like you because you always tell the truth. >> *Hers *Birds are trapped by their feet and men by their tongues. >> >> *His *Good things come to those who pray often and are generous with >> their friends. >> *Hers *Every good thing bears the weight of the bad on its shoulders. >> >> *His *Simplicity of character is the natural result of profound >> thought. >> *Hers *Alone with yourself, there is always one stranger present. >> * * >> *His *Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. >> *Hers *In future life you will be forced to watch while others please >> themselves. >> * * >> *His *You have an unusually magnetic personality. >> *Hers *When you are old you will perform magic tricks in a darkened >> room. >> * * >> *His *You are heading for a land of sunshine. >> *Hers *When you are old, even the snow is too warm. >> * * >> *His *You will become a great philanthropist in your later years. >> *Hers *Your family name will be linked with chemical warfare. >> * * >> *His *An hour with friends is worth ten with strangers. >> *Hers *Friends know you with both eyes open, but see you with one eye >> shut. >> * * >> *His *A friend asks only for your time, not your money. >> *Hers *Friends are generous because love is cheap. >> * * >> *His *You find pleasure in your own company and rely on your own mind >> to occupy you. >> *Hers *You must pay for your happiest moment with another's sadness. >> * * >> *His *Success is a journey, not a destination. >> *Hers *Where you are going there are many blind pathways. >> * * >> *His *Your life will be happy and peaceful. >> *Hers *Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or >> a nation. >> * * >> *His *Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals. >> *Hers *You will receive a gift of many gallons of blood before you die. >> * * >> *His *The best times of your life have not yet been lived. >> *Hers *You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. >> * * >> *His *A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains. >> *Hers *A way out of a financial mess is discovered as if by magic! >> * * >> *His *It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today. >> *Hers *Better a rooster in the bed than a dog in the oven. >> * * >> *His *Good things are coming to you in due course of time. >> *Hers *Dogs will fight over your remains. >> * * >> *His *Don't be surprised by the emergence of undiscovered talents. >> *Hers *A rich man will hire you to wash his animals. >> * * >> *His *Good luck is the result of good planning. >> *Hers *You will acquire more pets than rooms. >> * * >> *His *For every dark night there is a brighter day. >> *Hers *Don't be surprised in the morning if you don't stop dreaming. >> * * >> *His *The greatest wisdom is love. >> *Hers *Love is like learning to walk wearing another person's glasses. >> * * >> *His *You are very expressive and positive in words, acts, and >> feeling. >> *Hers *You will be struck by lightning while playing charades. >> >> >> >> >> Of course, like any responsible academic, I credited certain anonymous >> sources for many of the lines. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> No Fortune For You >> >> We were sitting around >> a little table eating >> chinese & kibitzing, >> chopsticks and teeth >> in full display, when someone >> grabbed a fortune cookie >> to read aloud, followed >> by the customary jibes >> and laughter? >> When it was my turn >> I broke open an empty >> crescent of baked dough, >> and though It took me >> a couple seconds to realize >> I had no printed slip of >> prophetic wit, no aphoristic spur, >> and maybe it was my >> attained age, or the surprise >> on my face, but mouth open, >> no words came out >> as though no fortune >> meant no future for you. >> >> >> -- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: junction at earthlink.net >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching >> poetry >> >> >> >> Right. Any constraint can become form for those who wish it, whether tweet >> or fortune cookie. Me, I like fortune cookies, for their ability to surprise >> and also to teach chinese and generate lottery numbers. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Graham >> Sent: Sep 9, 2011 4:40 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OMG: Carol Ann Duffy on texting and teaching >> poetry >> >> I would put it this way: the "poem as text" comparison confuses hardware >> with software. >> >> That said, there have been some mighty interesting experiments with >> poets working in the form of tweets. A tweet for such purposes is less a >> specific technology, much less a brand name, than it is a poetic form. >> >> Here is an essay with examples by Nick Lantz: >> >> http://www.versewisconsin.org/Issue103/prose103/lantz.html >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> --- >> >> On 9/9/2011 1:25 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> I guess she's leaning a little too heavily on Pound's emphasis that >> 'poetry consists of the gists & piths'. But the difference between 'texting' >> as it is commonly made manifest in the culture and 'poemness' as it is less >> commonly made known in the culture, is a divide that can't be bridged >> by their mutual predilection for concision. >> >> Finnegan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Prof. Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayettejlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Can the spice-rose drip such acrid fragrance hardened in a leaf? http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/hd-sea-rose.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:40:38 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] episode #45 of PoemTalk released: on Eileen Myles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are pleased to release episode #45 of PoemTalk. Charles Alexander, Sarah Dowling, and Michelle Taransky talk about "Snakes," a poem by Eileen Myles. http://jacket2.org/commentary/poem-going-down-drain-poemtalk-45 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audio?show=Poem%20Talk - Al Filreis Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Programs in Contemporary Writing Co-Director, PennSound Publisher, *Jacket2* University of Pennsylvania http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Praise the kitchen radio, dial clicked even before the dial on the oven, so that music and Spanish rose before bread. Praise the bread. *Alabanza.* Praise Manhattan from a hundred and seven flights up, like Atlantis glimpsed through the windows of an ancient aquarium. Praise the great windows where immigrants from the kitchen could squint and almost see their world, hear the chant of nations: *Ecuador, M?xico, Republica Dominicana, * *Haiti, Yemen, Ghana, Bangladesh.* *Alabanza.* Praise the kitchen in the morning, where the gas burned blue on every stove and exhaust fans fired their diminutive propellers, hands cracked eggs with quick thumbs or sliced open cartons to build an altar of cans. *Alabanza.* Praise the busboy's music, the *chime-chime* of his dishes and silverware in the tub. *Alabanza.* Praise the dish-dog, the dishwasher who worked that morning because another dishwasher could not stop coughing, or because he needed overtime to pile the sacks of rice and beans for a family floating away on some Caribbean island plagued by frogs. *Alabanza.* Praise the waitress who heard the radio in the kitchen and sang to herself about a man gone. *Alabanza.* After the thunder wilder than thunder, after the booming ice storm of glass from the great windows, after the radio stopped singing like a tree full of terrified frogs, after night burst the dam of day and flooded the kitchen, for a time the stoves glowed in darkness like the lighthouse in Fajardo, like a cook's soul. Soul I say, even if the dead cannot tell us about the bristles of God's beard because God has no face, soul I say, to name the smoke-beings flung in constellations across the night sky of this city and cities to come. *Alabanza* I say, even if God has no face. *Alabanza.* When the war began, from Manhattan to Kabul two constellations of smoke rose and drifted to each other, mingling in icy air, and one said with an Afghan tongue: *Teach me to dance. We have no music here.* And the other said with a Spanish tongue: *I will teach you. Music is all we have.* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Alabanza: In Praise of Local 100 > > > > by Mart?n Espada > > *for the 43 members of Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees Local > 100, working at the Windows on the World restaurant, who lost their lives in > the attack on the World Trade Center* > > * > * > > *Alabanza.* Praise the cook with the shaven head > > and a tattoo on his shoulder that said *Oye*, > > a blue-eyed Puerto Rican with people from Fajardo, > > the harbor of pirates centuries ago. > > Praise the lighthouse in Fajardo, candle > > glimmering white to worship the dark saint of the sea. > > *Alabanza*. Praise the cook's yellow Pirates cap > > worn in the name of Roberto Clemente, his plane > > that flamed into the ocean loaded with cans for Nicaragua, > > for all the mouths chewing the ash of earthquakes. > > *Alabanza*. Praise the kitchen radio, dial clicked > > even before the dial on the oven, so that music and Spanish > > rose before bread. Praise the bread. *Alabanza.* > > > > Praise Manhattan from a hundred and seven flights up, > > like Atlantis glimpsed through the windows of an ancient aquarium. > > Praise the great windows where immigrants from the kitchen > > could squint and almost see their world, hear the chant of nations: > > *Ecuador, M?xico, Republica Dominicana, * > > *Haiti, Yemen, Ghana, Bangladesh.* > > *Alabanza.* Praise the kitchen in the morning, > > where the gas burned blue on every stove > > and exhaust fans fired their diminutive propellers, > > hands cracked eggs with quick thumbs > > or sliced open cartons to build an altar of cans. > > *Alabanza.* Praise the busboy's music, the *chime-chime* > > of his dishes and silverware in the tub. > > *Alabanza.* Praise the dish-dog, the dishwasher > > who worked that morning because another dishwasher > > could not stop coughing, or because he needed overtime > > to pile the sacks of rice and beans for a family > > floating away on some Caribbean island plagued by frogs. > > *Alabanza.* Praise the waitress who heard the radio in the kitchen > > and sang to herself about a man gone. *Alabanza.* > > > > After the thunder wilder than thunder, > > after the booming ice storm of glass from the great windows, > > after the radio stopped singing like a tree full of terrified frogs, > > after night burst the dam of day and flooded the kitchen, > > for a time the stoves glowed in darkness like the lighthouse in > > Fajardo, > > like a cook's soul. Soul I say, even if the dead cannot tell us > > about the bristles of God's beard because God has no face, > > soul I say, to name the smoke-beings flung in constellations > > across the night sky of this city and cities to come. > > *Alabanza* I say, even if God has no face. > > > > *Alabanza.* When the war began, from Manhattan to Kabul > > two constellations of smoke rose and drifted to each other, > > mingling in icy air, and one said with an Afghan tongue: > > *Teach me to dance. We have no music here.* > > And the other said with a Spanish tongue: > > *I will teach you. Music is all we have.* > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 12:33:56 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:33:56 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Larissa Shmailo and Anya Logvinova Message-ID: http://shatteredwig.blogspot.com/2011/08/translation-of-anya-logvinova.html?spref=tw -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Whatever one's resistance to the work and poetics of Charles Bernstein, it's always sad for me to see how few in the community of poets outside those at the hosting university/college actually show up for a poet who is perhaps in top 20 nationally in terms of visibility and attention and critical notoriety. On the negative side, a certain number of Chas. Bernstein's poems went on & on, well past that "I got it" phase. And I felt too many poems moved along by subverting or disrupting cliches and idioms,often toward a joke or jibe. I was thinking of Sam Goldwyn's famous and funny and yet rather aspirational charge: "What we need are some new cliches." And I thought how easy to undercut and to riff off the existing stock of phrases and notions. How hard it is to create new ones. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 02:13:39 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:13:39 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: New chapbooks, Teare, Robinson, Arnold In-Reply-To: <997db90a5ab5361152a652a556ba102e@www.pavementsaw.org> References: <997db90a5ab5361152a652a556ba102e@www.pavementsaw.org> Message-ID: Three new chapbooks, Martin Arnold's A Million Distant Catastrophes, Elizabeth Robinson's Reply and Brian Teare's {upwards arrow}. Each are $7 plus $2 shipping. If you have already read these, or intend to, all of these titles are up on Goodreads to review, so gouge away. Here is some info and sample poems from each-- Martin Arnold *A Million Distant Glittering Catastrophes* ISBN 978-1-886350-20-5 32 pages, saddle stapled, 2011, limited run, 1 of 400 copies Martin Arnold teaches in the English Department at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. He earned an MFA from The University of North Carolina at Greensboro, where he was the poetry editor of The Greensboro Review, and an MA from New Mexico State University. He is currently the associate poetry editor of storySouth. His poems have been published in Crazyhorse, The Carolina Quarterly, Poetry East, Denver Quarterly, Cimarron Review, Mississippi Review, and elsewhere. This is his first collection. ---------- Skeletons Copulating on a Tin Roof Tonight, as we feed our host's furniture into the fireplace, it's clear that tomorrow we'll have something to regret. Perhaps men shouldn't get intoxicated together without expecting cruelty to happen when John arrives with his banjo. Perhaps expecting sensitive guys to resist the pack mentality of Manliness that drives our tirade against banjos doesn't give full credence to how intoxicating it is to go grocery shopping for mammoth by club. Above us, the night's chest is so hairy thousand-year-long spears of starlight can't penetrate it as our bellies shake like tambourines and fingers of air pick the steel vocal chords inside our long, skinny necks. Direct ordering and more information about Martin Arnold http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/amilliondistant.htm -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Robinson *Reply* ISBN 978-1-886350-21-2 36 pages, saddle stapled, limited run, 1 of 400 copies with hand stamped cover, 2011 Elizabeth Robinson has been the recipient of grants from the Fund for Poetry and the Foundation for Contemporary Arts. Her book Pure Descent won the National Poetry Series in 2002, and Apprehend won the Fence Modern Poets Prize in 2003. Other poetry books include House made of Silver, The Orphan & Its Relations, Apostrophe, Harrow, Inaudible Trumpeters, Bed of Lists, In the Sequence of Falling Things, and Under That Silky Roof. Her most recent collection of poems is Also Known As from Apogee Press. Robinson co-edits EtherDome Chapbooks with Colleen Lookingbill and Instance Press with Beth Anderson and Laura Sims. She lives in Boulder, Colorado. A chapbook length series about a elderly stalker. Downright creepy at times. ------------- Sample Poem: ------------- Orphan The man calls 87 times. I never, ever answer the phone. Finally, my ten year old son answers: "Hello?" "Hello, is your mother there?" My son glances up at me. "I'm sorry," he replies coolly, "but you must have the wrong number. I don't have a mother." Direct ordering and more information about Elizabeth Robinson http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/reply.htm --------------------------------------------- Brian Teare *?* ISBN 978-1-886350-22-9 36 pages, saddle stapled, 2011, limited run 1 of 400 copies A former Stegner Fellow at Stanford University, Brian Teare is the recipient of poetry fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts, the MacDowell Colony and the Marin Headlands Center for the Arts. He has published poetry and criticism in Boston Review, Ploughshares, Provincetown Arts, St. Mark's Poetry Project Newsletter, Seneca Review, and Verse, as well as in the anthologies Legitimate Dangers: American Poets of the New Century and At the Barriers: The Poetry of Thom Gunn. His first book, The Room Where I Was Born, won the 2003 Brittingham Prize and the 2004 Thom Gunn Award for Gay Poetry. His second book, Sight Map, is out from University of California Press; his third, Pleasure, was published by Ahsahta Press and won the Lambda Literary Award. This is a chapbook length poem written in the tradition of Robert Duncan and William Carlos Williams. ------ Here are the first two groups of this poem: ------ To begin with the desire to begin without a title-like we spend our seconds slowly deciding a trail to take, the slower to adore more the rhetoric of a choice and lend logos to whim's irrepressible stretchy syntax, the poem for a time both kinesis and mimesis, process and scene, body and world, our selves doubled, stationed between two possibilities continuous rather than discrete- Direct ordering and more information about Brian Teare http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/upwardsarrow.htm At least two more chapbooks and a full length collection will be out from us in 2011. All for now-- Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts -- If you do not want to receive any more newsletters, this link To update your preferences and to unsubscribe visit this link Forward a Message to Someone this link [image: Powered by PHPlist2.10.3, © tincan ltd] -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great sense of pace and inflection and timing to his > performance. > > Marvelous range too, from the formal to the point of antique to the > patently conceptual. > > He spoke very little between poems. Didn't explain motives or intent at > all. (Refreshing.) During the reading he sometimes paused > and looked up at the audience when there was no reaction to the imbedded > (often inside) joke behind a certain line or section of a poem.. > > The audience was 95% audience Wesleyan students. 3% faculty/organizers. 2% > unknown/unaffiliated (of which I comprised probably 1%). Whatever > one's resistance to the work and poetics of Charles Bernstein, it's always > sad for me to see how few in the community of poets > outside those at the hosting university/college actually show up for a poet > who is perhaps in top 20 nationally in terms of visibility > and attention and critical notoriety. > > On the negative side, a certain number of Chas. Bernstein's poems went on & > on, well past that "I got it" phase. And I felt too many poems > moved along by subverting or disrupting cliches and idioms,often toward a > joke or jibe. I was thinking of Sam Goldwyn's famous and funny > and yet rather aspirational charge: "What we need are some new cliches." > And I thought how easy to undercut and to riff off the existing stock > of phrases and notions. How hard it is to create new ones. > > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Read it here, home of the bee's knees: http://www.beardofbees.com/rohrer.html Eric Elshtain, Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here > is some info and > sample poems from each-- > Martin Arnold > *A Million Distant Glittering Catastrophes* > > > ISBN 978-1-886350-20-5 > 32 pages, saddle stapled, 2011, limited run, 1 of 400 > copies > > > Martin Arnold teaches in the English Department at Guilford > College in > Greensboro, North Carolina. He earned an MFA from The > University of North > Carolina at Greensboro, where he was the poetry editor of > The Greensboro > Review, and an MA from New Mexico State University. He is > currently the > associate poetry editor of storySouth. His poems have been > published in > Crazyhorse, The Carolina Quarterly, Poetry East, Denver > Quarterly, Cimarron > Review, Mississippi Review, and elsewhere. This is his > first collection. > > > ---------- > > > Skeletons Copulating on a Tin Roof > > Tonight, as we feed our host's furniture into the > fireplace, > it's clear that tomorrow we'll have something > > > ? to regret. Perhaps men shouldn't > get intoxicated together > without expecting cruelty > > > ? to happen when John arrives > with his banjo. Perhaps expecting > > > ? sensitive guys to resist > the pack mentality of Manliness > > > ? that drives our tirade against banjos > doesn't give full credence > > > ? to how intoxicating it is > to go grocery shopping > > > for mammoth > by club. Above us, > > > the night's chest is so hairy > thousand-year-long spears of starlight > > > can't penetrate it > as our bellies shake like tambourines > > > and fingers of air pick > the steel vocal chords > > > inside our long, skinny necks. > > > > > Direct ordering and more information about Martin Arnold > http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/amilliondistant.htm > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Elizabeth Robinson > *Reply* > > ISBN 978-1-886350-21-2 > 36 pages, saddle stapled, limited run, 1 of 400 copies with > hand stamped > cover, 2011 > > > > > Elizabeth Robinson has been the recipient of grants from > the Fund for > Poetry and the Foundation for Contemporary Arts. Her book > Pure Descent won > the National Poetry Series in 2002, and Apprehend won the > Fence Modern Poets > Prize in 2003. Other poetry books include House made of > Silver, The Orphan & > Its Relations, Apostrophe, Harrow, Inaudible Trumpeters, > Bed of Lists, In > the Sequence of Falling Things, and Under That Silky Roof. > Her most recent > collection of poems is Also Known As from Apogee Press. > Robinson co-edits > EtherDome Chapbooks with Colleen Lookingbill and Instance > Press with Beth > Anderson and Laura Sims. She lives in Boulder, Colorado. > > > ???A chapbook length series about a elderly > stalker. Downright creepy at > times. > > > > > ------------- Sample Poem: ------------- > > Orphan > > > > > The man calls 87 times. > > > I never, ever answer the phone. > > > Finally, my ten year old son answers: > > > "Hello?" > > > "Hello, is your mother there?" > > > My son glances up at me. "I'm sorry," > > > he replies coolly, "but you must have > > > the wrong number. I don't have a mother." > > > > > Direct ordering and more information about Elizabeth > Robinson > http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/reply.htm > > --------------------------------------------- > > Brian Teare > *?* > > ISBN 978-1-886350-22-9 > 36 pages, saddle stapled, 2011, limited run 1 of 400 > copies > > > A former Stegner Fellow at Stanford University, Brian > Teare is the > recipient of poetry fellowships from the National Endowment > for the Arts, > the MacDowell Colony and the Marin Headlands Center for the > Arts. He has > published poetry and criticism in Boston Review, > Ploughshares, Provincetown > Arts, St. Mark's Poetry Project Newsletter, Seneca Review, > and Verse, as > well as in the anthologies Legitimate Dangers: American > Poets of the New > Century and At the Barriers: The Poetry of Thom Gunn. His > first book, The > Room Where I Was Born, won the 2003 Brittingham Prize and > the 2004 Thom Gunn > Award for Gay Poetry. His second book, Sight Map, is out > from University of > California Press; his third, Pleasure, was published by > Ahsahta Press and > won the Lambda Literary Award. > > > This is a chapbook length poem written in the tradition of > Robert > Duncan and William Carlos Williams. > > ???------ Here are the first two groups of > this poem: ------ > > > To begin with the desire > ? ? to begin without a title-like > > > ? ? ? ???we spend our seconds > slowly > ? ? ? ???deciding a trail > ? ? ? ? to take, the slower to adore > > > ? ???more the rhetoric of a choice > and lend logos to whim's > > > irrepressible stretchy > ? ? syntax, the poem for a time > > > ? ? ? ???both kinesis and > mimesis, process > ? ? ? ???and scene, body and > world, our > ? ? ? ? selves doubled, stationed > between two > > > ? ???possibilities continuous > rather than discrete- > > Direct ordering and more information about Brian Teare > http://www.pavementsaw.org/chapbook_pages/upwardsarrow.htm > > > At least two more chapbooks and a full length collection > will be out from us > in 2011. > All for now-- > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts From editor at pavementsaw.org Sat Sep 17 00:24:05 2011 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets Message-ID: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Looking for names of LIVING authors who primarily write narrative work poetry-- No need for justification, just names, there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank Here's a few to start the ball rolling Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts From spearlstein at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 00:51:27 2011 From: spearlstein at comcast.net (spearlstein at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:51:27 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets In-Reply-To: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3327D863-5134-4FAC-9778-2F39AF8399C6@comcast.net> Dear David, Martin Espada in his earlier work, at least. I will let you know if anyone else occurs to me. Best, Sarah Pearlstein Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:24 AM, David Baratier wrote: > Looking for names of LIVING authors who > primarily write narrative work poetry-- > No need for justification, just names, > there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank > > Here's a few to start the ball rolling > Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 04:20:34 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:20:34 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Alpaugh Message-ID: and die Gotterdaemmerung of American Poetry? http://www.scene4.com/0911/davidalpaugh0911.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Sat Sep 17 08:01:50 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:01:50 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets In-Reply-To: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <537586891-1316260911-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1289536064-@b27.c31.bise6.blackberry> Joseph Millar. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Baratier Sender: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:24:05 To: New Poetry Reply-To: NewPoetry List Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets Looking for names of LIVING authors who primarily write narrative work poetry-- No need for justification, just names, there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank Here's a few to start the ball rolling Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From almaginnes at aol.com Sat Sep 17 08:00:36 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:00:36 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets In-Reply-To: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1316233445.34654.YahooMailClassic@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <129253020-1316260836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1882034081-@b27.c31.bise6.blackberry> This is tooting my own horn, but what the hell. My first book TAKING UP OUR DAILY TOOLS was filled with poems about jobs, mostly construction work, which is how I supported myself through most of my twenties. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Baratier Sender: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:24:05 To: New Poetry Reply-To: NewPoetry List Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets Looking for names of LIVING authors who primarily write narrative work poetry-- No need for justification, just names, there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank Here's a few to start the ball rolling Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From eposamentier at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 10:36:54 2011 From: eposamentier at yahoo.com (Evelyn Posamentier) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1316270214.90366.YahooMailNeo@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> will look From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:35 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Change (an exclamation mark): just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Sep 17 13:03:44 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:03:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny (what's the opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters is inspiring. Sadly, I don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, but we'll be gumboing and etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our sleeves, no doubt) here, too. Be of good cheer-- Jerry On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > (an exclamation mark): > just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: > http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 13:07:22 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:07:22 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Change In-Reply-To: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> References: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: None from Bz (Bolzano-Bozen) either, I organized once an int. poetry event and everybody got credit except me (sadly selfishly). But Obododimma's and my and your Anthology will be announced on that day. Opposite of 'change' - static (Philip K. Dick) and with Marshall McLuhan: 'static energy' or even better 'static medium' ___parbleu! On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny (what's the > opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters is inspiring. Sadly, I > don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, but we'll be gumboing and > etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our sleeves, no doubt) here, too. > > Be of good cheer-- > > Jerry > > On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > (an exclamation mark): > just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: > http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Sep 17 13:16:12 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:16:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Change In-Reply-To: References: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4E74D5DC.6060809@louisiana.edu> Sorry, Anny, but I'm still with Heraclitus on this one: panta rhei: nothing isn't change. Yrs, jerry On 9/17/2011 12:07 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > None from Bz (Bolzano-Bozen) either, I organized once an int. poetry > event and everybody got credit except me (sadly selfishly). But > Obododimma's and my and your Anthology will be announced on that day. > Opposite of 'change' - static (Philip K. Dick) and with Marshall > McLuhan: 'static energy' or even better 'static medium' ___parbleu! > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: > > Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny > (what's the opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters > is inspiring. Sadly, I don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, > but we'll be gumboing and etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our > sleeves, no doubt) here, too. > > Be of good cheer-- > > Jerry > > On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> (an exclamation mark): >> just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: >> http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website: > http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 13:06:37 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:06:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Change In-Reply-To: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> References: <4E74D2F0.7090105@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: My sediments exactly about poets for change. Change cuts various ways. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny (what's the > opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters is inspiring. Sadly, I > don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, but we'll be gumboing and > etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our sleeves, no doubt) here, too. > > Be of good cheer-- > > Jerry > > On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > (an exclamation mark): > just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: > http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > Sorry, Anny, but I'm still with Heraclitus on this one: panta rhei: > nothing isn't change. > > Yrs, > > jerry > > > On 9/17/2011 12:07 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > None from Bz (Bolzano-Bozen) either, I organized once an int. poetry event > and everybody got credit except me (sadly selfishly). But Obododimma's and > my and your Anthology will be announced on that day. Opposite of 'change' - > static (Philip K. Dick) and with Marshall McLuhan: 'static energy' or even > better 'static medium' ___parbleu! > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny (what's >> the opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters is inspiring. >> Sadly, I don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, but we'll be gumboing >> and etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our sleeves, no doubt) here, too. >> >> Be of good cheer-- >> >> Jerry >> >> On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> (an exclamation mark): >> just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: >> http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> ________________________________________________________ >> >> Jerry McGuire >> English Department Box 44691 >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70504-4691337-482-5478 >> Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Best, Jerry Peter Oresick (Editor), Nicholas Coles (Editor) On 9/16/2011 11:24 PM, David Baratier wrote: > Looking for names of LIVING authors who > primarily write narrative work poetry-- > No need for justification, just names, > there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank > > Here's a few to start the ball rolling > Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Right-o, you can't step into the same river once even. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> ** >> Sorry, Anny, but I'm still with Heraclitus on this one: panta rhei: >> nothing isn't change. >> >> Yrs, >> >> jerry >> >> >> On 9/17/2011 12:07 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> None from Bz (Bolzano-Bozen) either, I organized once an int. poetry event >> and everybody got credit except me (sadly selfishly). But Obododimma's and >> my and your Anthology will be announced on that day. Opposite of 'change' - >> static (Philip K. Dick) and with Marshall McLuhan: 'static energy' or even >> better 'static medium' ___parbleu! >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >> >>> Hey, I'm mister cynic about gangs of poets for "change," Anny (what's >>> the opposite, by the way?), but the collection of posters is inspiring. >>> Sadly, I don't see the one there for Lafayette, LA, but we'll be gumboing >>> and etouffeeing our hearts out (onto our sleeves, no doubt) here, too. >>> >>> Be of good cheer-- >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> On 9/17/2011 3:35 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >>> >>> (an exclamation mark): >>> just look at the posters, and undoubtedly more to come: >>> http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/?page_id=3781 >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Jerry McGuire >>> English Department Box 44691 >>> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >>> Lafayette LA 70504-4691337-482-5478 >>> Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html >>> ______________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> ________________________________________________________ >> >> Jerry McGuire >> English Department Box 44691 >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70504-4691337-482-5478 >> Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David Graham wrote: > > *City Afternoon* > > A veil of haze protects this > Long-ago afternoon forgotten by everybody > In this photograph, most of them now > Sucked screaming through old age and death. > > If one could seize America > Or at least a fine forgetfulness > That seeps into our outline > Defining our volumes with a stain > That is fleeting too > > But commemorates > Because it does define, after all: > Gray garlands, that threesome > Waiting for the light to change, > Air lifting the hair of one > Upside down in the reflecting pool. > > --John Ashbery. *Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror.* Penguin, 1975. > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Very nice, I have always loved Ashbery whatever some critics might say. > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> >> *City Afternoon* >> >> A veil of haze protects this >> Long-ago afternoon forgotten by everybody >> In this photograph, most of them now >> Sucked screaming through old age and death. >> >> If one could seize America >> Or at least a fine forgetfulness >> That seeps into our outline >> Defining our volumes with a stain >> That is fleeting too >> >> But commemorates >> Because it does define, after all: >> Gray garlands, that threesome >> Waiting for the light to change, >> Air lifting the hair of one >> Upside down in the reflecting pool. >> >> --John Ashbery. *Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror.* Penguin, 1975. >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 14:40:15 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:40:15 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] A poet "for" change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :-) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I've never heard any critic say you don't love Ashbery, Anny. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Very nice, I have always loved Ashbery whatever some critics might say. >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> >>> *City Afternoon* >>> >>> A veil of haze protects this >>> Long-ago afternoon forgotten by everybody >>> In this photograph, most of them now >>> Sucked screaming through old age and death. >>> >>> If one could seize America >>> Or at least a fine forgetfulness >>> That seeps into our outline >>> Defining our volumes with a stain >>> That is fleeting too >>> >>> But commemorates >>> Because it does define, after all: >>> Gray garlands, that threesome >>> Waiting for the light to change, >>> Air lifting the hair of one >>> Upside down in the reflecting pool. >>> >>> --John Ashbery. *Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror.* Penguin, 1975. >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? 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RD Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:26:30 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson http://www.samueljohnson.com/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 09:37:27 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:37:27 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson's True Soul Mate In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I disagree with Dr. Johnson, in part. On another note: I position the Baroness contra (sic) to trump the "Direktor of JKSDP". And on another note: What's with Anita "Mao" Dunn fainting when Larry Summers wdnt cotton to her nail-em-all-down-to-ground-level-money-theories? Supremely individuated poets will find the link. RD To me, ?consensus? seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects ? There are still people in my party who believe in ?consensus? politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors ? I mean it. ? Margaret Thatcher From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:49:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson Within 20 mile radius of the Mermaid, Boswell, there can be found Many dozens of ladies with whom into nuptials I could bound. Or, rather, let me amend my view more precisely, "be bound." The problem turns out to be, thusly: once transported across the threshold, She who started out fair, graceful, as into one's life an egret floated effortlessly, Metamorphoses, through the night, into an unanticipated Xanthippi. RD Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:26:30 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson http://www.samueljohnson.com/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On another note: I position the Baroness contra (sic) to trump the "Direktor of JKSDP". And on another note: What's with Anita "Mao" Dunn fainting when Larry Summers wdnt cotton to her nail-em-all-down-to-ground-level-money-theories? Supremely individuated poets will find the link. RD To me, ?consensus? seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects ? There are still people in my party who believe in ?consensus? politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors ? I mean it. ? Margaret Thatcher From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:49:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson Within 20 mile radius of the Mermaid, Boswell, there can be found Many dozens of ladies with whom into nuptials I could bound. Or, rather, let me amend my view more precisely, "be bound." The problem turns out to be, thusly: once transported across the threshold, She who started out fair, graceful, as into one's life an egret floated effortlessly, Metamorphoses, through the night, into an unanticipated Xanthippi. RD Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:26:30 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Samuel Johnson http://www.samueljohnson.com/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at pavementsaw.org Mon Sep 19 11:14:24 2011 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1316445264.63679.YahooMailClassic@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I remember that anthology Jerry it's pretty weak and/or obvious but thanks for mentioning. No takers? Am I the only person who reads this kind? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts From nic_sebastian at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 11:25:46 2011 From: nic_sebastian at hotmail.com (Nic Sebastian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:25:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] videopoem triptych 'Propolis' is live In-Reply-To: <1316270214.90366.YahooMailNeo@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <1316270214.90366.YahooMailNeo@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The videopoem triptych 'Propolis' is now live at http://propolis3.wordpress.com/. Poems by Donna Vorreyer, David Tomaloff and Lisa Cihlar; video by Swoon, music by Kath McTavish and voice by whale Sound. Best, Nic Nic Sebastian Whale Sound Forever Will End on ThursdayDark And Like A Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 05:31:17 2011 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:31:17 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets In-Reply-To: <1316445264.63679.YahooMailClassic@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1316445264.63679.YahooMailClassic@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm currently on a borrowed computer, and I only offer this type of sketchy info. because while we've never met, DB , I think you are great at tracking. When Michael McGee was publishing combo, he was fostering a number of such poets. I remember reading the work of one man who put himself in category by bio, if I remember correctly. I think the issue had a maroon bottom half, and beige top half, cover-wise, but I'm not sure, and I am such a wastrel --- query M. @ RISD. After someone like Rukeyser, or even Maggie Anderson. [we don't mention others because they weren't influential: Lola Ridge for example] On a panel with Patty Seyburn, Remy Christopher & Bill Mohr (also, like the likes of Dorianne Laux, out of the working class into the ... cap and gown, but also students of formerly working class poets like Levine, Armantrout -- I don't want to rattle off a list of working class students of working class authors), there was a young man, steelworker, who'd been a Marilyn Hacker protegee and wrote primarily canzones about -- I wanna say Canton, Ohio, or calzones -- but I know it was steelworking. Books out. These were narrative poems. I would love to see song styles in working class poetry; there are ballads, specially commissioned ones, sooooo popular now. Ex., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcocorrido But in general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrido Soon, Catheine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Then there are the presses, like Steel Toe, which I know you know about. 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I remember that all the poems had Latin titles. -----Original Message----- From: David Baratier To: new-poetry Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 11:17 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] query: Narrative "work" poetry /poets I remember that anthology Jerry it's pretty weak and/or obvious but thanks for mentioning. No takers? Am I the only person who reads this kind? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:24 PM, David Baratier wrote: > Looking for names of LIVING authors who > primarily write narrative work poetry-- > No need for justification, just names, > there is someone I am thinking of, drawing a blank > > Here's a few to start the ball rolling > Phillip Levine, Jim Daniels, Judy Vollmer, Tony Gloeggler, Jason Irwin, BH Fairchild, > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > From junction at earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 12:52:03 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:52:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] query Message-ID: <7136131.1316537524032.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I just sent a message to the buffalo list, poetics at listserv.bufallo.edu, got a bounce back. Anything I should know? Also, anyone have an email address for Bill Mohr? B/c, please. 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:57:03 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:57:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: <8CE467162A4E5F4-1ED0-58204@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE467162A4E5F4-1ED0-58204@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? - Jim On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: > A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're in/near > NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before it > closes. > The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... > http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan > I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering > experiences. > Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of this > Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. 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You must be more diligent, you must work harder at finding your path through art, the way Lee Ufan has followed his through the course of his life as an artist. -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? - Jim On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before it closes. The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering experiences. Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work through his writings in The Art of Encounter... 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You must be more diligent, you must work harder at the in following your path, the way Lee Ufan has followed his through the course of his life as an artist. -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? - Jim On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before it closes. The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering experiences. Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work through his writings in The Art of Encounter... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:45 PM, wrote: > Corrected... > "Life-altering" was perhaps too grand a statement for my experience. What I > meant was the art I saw on Saturday I felt at core of my being. The > commitment, the thinking, the execution, all that went into the work made me > think to myself "you must change your life." You must recommit yourself to > the principles you believe to be important to your artmaking. You must block > out the facile and fashionable. You must be more diligent, you must work > harder at finding your path through art, the way Lee Ufan has followed his > through the course of his life as an artist. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity > > In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked > which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I > pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was > taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live > concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the > music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body > - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was > being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few > short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been > chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the > orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. > > > So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" > experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? > > - Jim > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: > >> A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're >> in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before >> it closes. >> The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... >> http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan >> I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering >> experiences. >> Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of >> this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work >> through his writings in >> The Art of Encounter... >> Here's a quote I posted on ursprache. >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2011/09/resonant-space.html >> >> Finnegan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 15:58:44 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:58:44 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: <10355034.1316632693522.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10355034.1316632693522.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM, wrote: > I plan to get there. The work looks great on the website. But I'm overcome > with compassion for the curator, a victim of prolonged imprisonment among > people who talk funny. > Yes. In speaking, as well as in language choice and construction. > So, "iteratively" instead of "repeatedly." "A boulder that he has acquired > from nature, originally from a river bed." The work appears to survive the > interpretation. > Usually does. - Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Sep 21, 2011 2:41 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity > > "Life-altering" was perhaps too grand a statement for my experience. What I > meant was the art I saw on Saturday I felt at core of my being. The > commitment, the thinking, the execution, all that went into the work made me > think to myself "you must change your life." You must recommit yourself to > the principles you believe to be important to your artmaking. You must block > out the facile and fashionable. You must be more diligent, you must work > harder at the in following your path, the way Lee Ufan has followed his > through the course of his life as an artist. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity > > In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked > which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I > pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was > taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live > concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the > music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body > - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was > being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few > short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been > chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the > orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. > > > So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" > experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? > > - Jim > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: > >> A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're >> in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before >> it closes. >> The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... >> http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan >> I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering >> experiences. >> Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of >> this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work >> through his writings in >> The Art of Encounter... >> Here's a quote I posted on ursprache. >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2011/09/resonant-space.html >> >> Finnegan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ****** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You must be more diligent, you must work > harder at finding your path through art, the way Lee Ufan has followed his > through the course of his life as an artist. > "Approach my art in the way Ufan does his" would be a paraphrase? Difficult to explain when going from the graphic to the written. - Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity > > In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and asked > which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of it, I > pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of students was > taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the first live > concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I became the > music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my entire body > - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it as it was > being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. A few > short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, having been > chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to augment the > orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was Leopold Stokowski. > > > So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" > experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? > > - Jim > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: > >> A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're >> in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before >> it closes. >> The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... >> http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan >> I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering >> experiences. >> Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of >> this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work >> through his writings in >> The Art of Encounter... >> Here's a quote I posted on ursprache. >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2011/09/resonant-space.html >> >> Finnegan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With astoneishing results. > > Before we go too far down this path, thanks, Jim--I'd spaced entirely on > this exhibit and it looks great. Also closing in early October--Feininger at > the Whitney and Gandhara sculpture at Asia Society. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes ** > Sent: Sep 21, 2011 4:04 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity > > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM, wrote: > >> Corrected... >> "Life-altering" was perhaps too grand a statement for my experience. What >> I meant was the art I saw on Saturday I felt at core of my being. The >> commitment, the thinking, the execution, all that went into the work made me >> think to myself "you must change your life." You must recommit yourself to >> the principles you believe to be important to your artmaking. You must block >> out the facile and fashionable. You must be more diligent, you must work >> harder at finding your path through art, the way Lee Ufan has followed his >> through the course of his life as an artist. >> > > "Approach my art in the way Ufan does his" would be a paraphrase? > Difficult to explain when going from the graphic to the written. > > - Jim > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Cervantes >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:57 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity >> >> In 1953, the junior high school music teacher opened up a cabinet and >> asked which instrument I'd like to learn. Without even knowing the name of >> it, I pointed to a cello. A couple of years later, a select group of >> students was taken to hear a concert by the Houston Symphony. It was the >> first live concert I'd ever been to. As they played a Beethoven symphony, I >> became the music. I was hearing it through my ears, feet, arms, hands - my >> entire body - and I was making it though I was at the time unable to make it >> as it was being made on the stage. THAT was a "life-altering" experience. >> A few short years later, I was on that stage with that very orchestra, >> having been chosen as one of the cellists from the Houston Youth Symphony to >> augment the orchestra for a piece I don't remember. The conductor was >> Leopold Stokowski. >> >> So, James, I'd like to hear how that exhibit was a "life-altering" >> experience for you. Or maybe about a poem that earns that status. Anyone? >> >> - Jim >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, wrote: >> >>> A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're >>> in/near NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before >>> it closes. >>> The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... >>> http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan >>> I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering >>> experiences. >>> Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of >>> this Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work >>> through his writings in >>> The Art of Encounter... >>> Here's a quote I posted on ursprache. >>> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2011/09/resonant-space.html >>> >>> Finnegan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The work > appears to survive the interpretation. -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Sep 21 17:46:27 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:46:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: <8CE46A529E576F2-2240-5ED98@webmail-m089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wonder if anyone might care to take up this thread with poems? Were there any specific poems that you're willing to say changed your life? For me, no poems come to mind. But there was one song. . . . On the occasion of Bob Dylan's 70th birthday I wrote a note on Facebook about hearing his song "Desolation Row" on the radio when I was maybe 14 or 15 years old, and found myself claiming that it did change my life. Sounds melodramatic & all, I know, but I think it's accurate. I started writing poetry, and I started thinking in different directions. Can't think of another single work of art that ever had as big an impact on me. On 9/21/11 1:41 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > "Life-altering" was perhaps too grand a statement for my experience. What I > meant was the art I saw on Saturday I felt at core of my being. The > commitment, the thinking, the execution, all that went into the work made me > think to myself "you must change your life." You must recommit yourself to the > principles you believe to be important to your artmaking. You must block out > the facile and fashionable. You must be more diligent, you must work harder at > the in following your path, the way Lee Ufan has followed his through the > course of his life as an artist. > > -----Original Message----- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Wed Sep 21 17:59:57 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE46C0EFAE5418-23A8-10BA9@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> I keep flashing back to reading "Song of Myself" when I was a college freshman. I checked the book out from my college library some time in the first few weeks of school, and I remember lying on my bed reading it. But I had a long foreground coming to that--Dylan's lyric as David mentioned (I went to high school when "hip" English teachers used song lyrics to teach poetry although Harry Chapin was about as far out as a lot of them got), the Beats who I'd read a lot of by then, smatterings of other writers. But Whitman did something for me that no other writer up to that time had done, and I'm still not sure I can explain what it was. Perhaps it was that he offered a spaciousness that most others seemed to shun. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity I wonder if anyone might care to take up this thread with poems? Were there any specific poems that you're willing to say changed your life? For me, no poems come to mind. But there was one song. . . . On the occasion of Bob Dylan's 70th birthday I wrote a note on Facebook about hearing his song "Desolation Row" on the radio when I was maybe 14 or 15 years old, and found myself claiming that it did change my life. Sounds melodramatic & all, I know, but I think it's accurate. I started writing poetry, and I started thinking in different directions. Can't think of another single work of art that ever had as big an impact on me. On 9/21/11 1:41 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: "Life-altering" was perhaps too grand a statement for my experience. What I meant was the art I saw on Saturday I felt at core of my being. The commitment, the thinking, the execution, all that went into the work made me think to myself "you must change your life." You must recommit yourself to the principles you believe to be important to your artmaking. You must block out the facile and fashionable. You must be more diligent, you must work harder at the in following your path, the way Lee Ufan has followed his through the course of his life as an artist. -----Original Message----- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Wed Sep 21 18:51:56 2011 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:51:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Congratulations Mark Young Best Australian Poems via Eratio Message-ID: <1e6cfe606478aae3ac12b976b59a040c.squirrel@webmail4.web.com> e? Congratulations to Mark Young whose poem, ?A line from Paracelsus,? which appeared in E?ratio 14, was selected by John Tranter for The Best Australian Poems 2011. Congratulations, Mark Young! http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/issue14_Young.html e? From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Sep 21 19:19:41 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:19:41 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Photos and Pictures Message-ID: <78698eb229194828bcd823274a67e412.bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net> Am I the only one who thinks it really weird that Facebook calls the visual images posted on it photos instead of pictures. Which reminds me that way back when, photographs were called pictures . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which reminds me that way > back when, photographs were called pictures . . . > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- k -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Sep 21 20:21:57 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE46D4C5E3A11D-CD4-97A41@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com> The curatorial/critical talking heads have to rehearse their jargon. Sometimes they stumble into an insight. Going back to Ufan, the sourcebook is the collection of his short essays...The Art of Encounter.... http://www.koreasociety.org/arts/gallery_talks/the_writings_of_lee_ufan_art_of_encounter_gallery_reading.html Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] marking infinity Amen. In any case, I sure hope you "mediate a phenomenological encounter" with the art when ya get there! On 9/21/11 2:18 PM, "junction at earthlink.net" wrote: I plan to get there. The work looks great on the website. But I'm overcome with compassion for the curator, a victim of prolonged imprisonment among people who talk funny. So, "iteratively" instead of "repeatedly." "A boulder that he has acquired from nature, originally from a river bed." The work appears to survive the interpretation. -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Sep 21 21:55:21 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:55:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Photos and Pictures Message-ID: It's called marketing. So I'm the only one who's put off when something is called a photo that clearly isn't? Yeah, maybe so--me and a few others. The kind who are bothered by things you can get for free, except for postage and handling. 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The kind who are > bothered by things you can get for free, except for postage and handling. > Now my question is why Facebook calls text written about "photos" comments. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- k -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:15:42 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:15:42 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mac poets In-Reply-To: <8CE46E60CF82B7A-1B48-861F9@Webmail-m106.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE46E60CF82B7A-1B48-861F9@Webmail-m106.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I also like this: *Ubaldo Vitali* Ubaldo Vitali, Inc. Maplewood, NJ Age: 67 *Conservator and Silversmith* drawing on deep knowledge of past and modern metalworking techniques and rigorous scholarship to restore historical masterworks and to create original works of art. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:25 AM, wrote: > Kay Ryan Fairfax, CA Age: 65 Poet composing deceptively simple verse of > wisdom and elegance, grounded in explorations of familiar ideas and > experiences, and surprising us with the possibilities of the medium. > > A. E. Stallings Athens, Greece Age: 43 Poet and Translator mining the > classical world and traditional poetic techniques to craft imaginative > explorations of contemporary life that evoke startling insights about > antiquity's relevance for today. > > Read more: > http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/19/3923254/22-new-macarthur-fellows-announced.html#ixzz1YdyIm5hD > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was merely thinking out loud about who > was in, who not in, the group they are trying to appeal to. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 16:25:06 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT: On-site Childcare @ AWP - Cast your vote? Message-ID: <1316723106.4788.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ---------- Forwarded message --------- I created a petition this morning to put pressure on AWP to provide on-site childcare for participants. Please sign if you agree with this action. Also, non-parents, feel free to sign in solidarity. Take Care, Sandra Simonds https://www.change.org/petitions/awp-to-accommodate-on-site-childcare-for-conference-participants?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall ********* Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:49:29 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:49:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] marking infinity In-Reply-To: <8CE467162A4E5F4-1ED0-58204@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE467162A4E5F4-1ED0-58204@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Very interesting, thank you. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > A little late to be recommending this art show, but if you're in/near > NYC, you might want to run over to the Guggenheim this week before it > closes. > The Lee Ufan retrospective is amazing... > http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/exhibitions/on-view/lee-ufan > I saw the exhibit Saturday and it was one of those life-altering > experiences. > Ufan is an artist, poet and philosopher, and I only became of aware of this > Korean artist (living in Japan) recently. I first came to his work through > his writings in > The Art of Encounter... > Here's a quote I posted on ursprache. > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2011/09/resonant-space.html > > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 22:07:23 2011 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:07:23 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] [pussipo-post] Publications and Drunken Boat Bernadette Mayer Folio and Contemporary Women's Fiction Folio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Catherine Daly @ same! from my fourth book http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/6ber/daly/index.php On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Deborah Poe wrote: > Hello all, some news I'm particularly happy to share...lots of hard work > here, mine and others' that has come to fruition.... > > > > My handmade series *cadeaus* recently appeared in 10 Women 2, Peep/Show > Issue #4 http://www.peepshowpoetry.blogspot.com/. > Ron Silliman made my day last week by mentioning it on his blog. > > My text/image piece recently appeared in Kate Schapira's curated response > to the Galerie de Difformite, with work by, among others, the lovely Jen > Karmin and Kate Durbin. Kate Schapira?s introductory essay is wonderful. > Download and assemble your own Tableaux Meurants chapbook here: * > http://difformitechapbooks.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/tableaux-meurants/* > > > > Elizabeth Bryant's beautiful "five and six" photo/text interview series > with me went live last night: > > http://fiveandsix.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/deborah-poe-2/ > > > > & (heartsurge) Drunken Boat launched this week also, with two of my > babies....It includes work by many Pussitas and friends of Pussitas.... > > > > The Bernadette Mayer Folio > > http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/6ber/ > > The Contemporary Women's Fiction Folio > > http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/2fic/intro.php > > > > Best wishes, > > Deborah > > www.deborahpoe.com > > -- > Posts and emails to the Pussipo list are confidential and intended > solely for list members and moderators. 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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:07:23 -0700 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com To: pussipo at googlegroups.com CC: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu; POETRYETC at JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] [pussipo-post] Publications and Drunken Boat Bernadette Mayer Folio and Contemporary Women's Fiction Folio Catherine Daly @ same! from my fourth book http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/6ber/daly/index.php On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Deborah Poe wrote: Hello all, some news I'm particularly happy to share...lots of hard work here, mine and others' that has come to fruition.... My handmade series cadeaus recently appeared in 10 Women 2, Peep/Show Issue #4 http://www.peepshowpoetry.blogspot.com/. Ron Silliman made my day last week by mentioning it on his blog. My text/image piece recently appeared in Kate Schapira's curated response to the Galerie de Difformite, with work by, among others, the lovely Jen Karmin and Kate Durbin. Kate Schapira?s introductory essay is wonderful. Download and assemble your own Tableaux Meurants chapbook here: http://difformitechapbooks.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/tableaux-meurants/ Elizabeth Bryant's beautiful "five and six" photo/text interview series with me went live last night: http://fiveandsix.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/deborah-poe-2/ & (heartsurge) Drunken Boat launched this week also, with two of my babies....It includes work by many Pussitas and friends of Pussitas.... The Bernadette Mayer Folio http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/6ber/ The Contemporary Women's Fiction Folio http://www.drunkenboat.com/db14/2fic/intro.php Best wishes, Deborah www.deborahpoe.com -- Posts and emails to the Pussipo list are confidential and intended solely for list members and moderators. All Pussipo posts, emails, pages, and files contain privileged and confidential information, which may not be forwarded, quoted, summarized, or redestributed in any manner off-list, without written permission of the author(s). 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URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 22:39:33 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:39:33 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem about Reading In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Where's the link? I'm readying to move on the poem.Well, I'll just have to jump the hoops to get there. RD From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:20:13 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem about Reading Anny was kind enough to add (at my request) my latest visio-mathematical poem to my section of her Poets? Corner. I mention it because I?m really curious if anyone connects to it. It?s a celebration of reading?very simple, I think. I?m hoping to do a series on reading. 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Fine poets and I've met Alicia - very personable and funny to talk with. www.mikesnider.org On Sep 21, 2011, at 22:25, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Kay Ryan Fairfax, CA Age: 65 Poet composing deceptively simple verse of wisdom and elegance, grounded in explorations of familiar ideas and experiences, and surprising us with the possibilities of the medium. > > A. E. Stallings Athens, Greece Age: 43 Poet and Translator mining the classical world and traditional poetic techniques to craft imaginative explorations of contemporary life that evoke startling insights about antiquity's relevance for today. > > Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/19/3923254/22-new-macarthur-fellows-announced.html#ixzz1YdyIm5hD > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Room 302, Hynes Organizers: * JoAnne Growney, Silver Spring, Maryland * Mark Huber, Claremont McKenna College * Gizem Karaali, Pomona College Call for Submissions: --------------------- The Journal of Humanistic Mathematics (http://scholarship.claremont.edu/jhm/) will host a reading of poetry-with-mathematics on Friday January 6, 5-7 PM in Boston?s Hynes Convention Center at the annual Joint Mathematics Meetings (http://jointmathematicsmeetings.org/jmm). Reading organizers include JHM editors, Gizem Karaali (http://pages.pomona.edu/~gk014747/ ) and Mark Huber (http://www.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/MHuber/), and poetry-math blogger, JoAnne Growney (http://poetrywithmathematics.blogspot.com ). Although the reading is open to all, without pre-selected readers, we will prepare a written program of poets who submit their work by our December 1 deadline. Both mathematician-poets and others who use mathematics in their poems are invited to submit. Send (prior to December 1, 2011) via e-mail, to Gizem Karaali (Gizem dot Karaali at pomona dot edu) up to 3 poems that involve mathematics (in content or structure, or both) -- no more than 3 pages -- and a 25 word bio. From these submissions, a written program of titles and bios will be prepared. We anticipate about 5 minutes available for each reader but a large (or small) number of submissions may temper this somewhat. After scheduled readers have completed their presentations, there will be an Open Reading -- and interested persons present (in Room 302 of Boston?s Hynes Convention Center) will be invited to read. For more information, please contact JoAnne Growney: JoAnne Growney - Silver Spring, MD; more information at http://joannegrowney.com _______________________________________________ Bridges mailing list Bridges at lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/bridges From: Bridges conference announcements Date: September 22, 2011 6:57:16 PM PDT (CA) To: bridges at lists.uwaterloo.ca Subject: [Bridges] POETRY READING: at the Joint Mathematics Meetings, Boston, January 4-7, 2012 Reply-To: bridges at bridgesmathart.org Friday, January 6, 2012, 5:00pm-7:00pm MAA Special Presentation: Poetry Reading All mathematical poets and those interested in mathematical poetry are invited. Room 302, Hynes Organizers: * JoAnne Growney, Silver Spring, Maryland * Mark Huber, Claremont McKenna College * Gizem Karaali, Pomona College Call for Submissions: --------------------- The Journal of Humanistic Mathematics (http://scholarship.claremont.edu/jhm/) will host a reading of poetry-with-mathematics on Friday January 6, 5-7 PM in Boston?s Hynes Convention Center at the annual Joint Mathematics Meetings (http://jointmathematicsmeetings.org/jmm). Reading organizers include JHM editors, Gizem Karaali (http://pages.pomona.edu/~gk014747/ ) and Mark Huber (http://www.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/MHuber/), and poetry-math blogger, JoAnne Growney (http://poetrywithmathematics.blogspot.com ). Although the reading is open to all, without pre-selected readers, we will prepare a written program of poets who submit their work by our December 1 deadline. Both mathematician-poets and others who use mathematics in their poems are invited to submit. Send (prior to December 1, 2011) via e-mail, to Gizem Karaali (Gizem dot Karaali at pomona dot edu) up to 3 poems that involve mathematics (in content or structure, or both) -- no more than 3 pages -- and a 25 word bio. From these submissions, a written program of titles and bios will be prepared. We anticipate about 5 minutes available for each reader but a large (or small) number of submissions may temper this somewhat. After scheduled readers have completed their presentations, there will be an Open Reading -- and interested persons present (in Room 302 of Boston?s Hynes Convention Center) will be invited to read. For more information, please contact JoAnne Growney: JoAnne Growney - Silver Spring, MD; more information at http://joannegrowney.com _______________________________________________ Bridges mailing list Bridges at lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/bridges -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope to spend at least two weeks in NY and Connecticut, with one trip to Boston, so if anyone in the area wants me for a presentation (big possibility) or just to say hello, arrangements should be possible. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:14 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY READING: at the Joint Mathematics Meetings,Boston, January 4-7, 2012 Begin forwarded message: From: Bridges conference announcements Date: September 22, 2011 6:57:16 PM PDT (CA) To: bridges at lists.uwaterloo.ca Subject: [Bridges] POETRY READING: at the Joint Mathematics Meetings, Boston, January 4-7, 2012 Reply-To: bridges at bridgesmathart.org Friday, January 6, 2012, 5:00pm-7:00pm MAA Special Presentation: Poetry Reading All mathematical poets and those interested in mathematical poetry are invited. Room 302, Hynes Organizers: * JoAnne Growney, Silver Spring, Maryland * Mark Huber, Claremont McKenna College * Gizem Karaali, Pomona College Call for Submissions: --------------------- The Journal of Humanistic Mathematics (http://scholarship.claremont.edu/jhm/) will host a reading of poetry-with-mathematics on Friday January 6, 5-7 PM in Boston?s Hynes Convention Center at the annual Joint Mathematics Meetings (http://jointmathematicsmeetings.org/jmm). Reading organizers include JHM editors, Gizem Karaali (http://pages.pomona.edu/~gk014747/ ) and Mark Huber (http://www.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/MHuber/), and poetry-math blogger, JoAnne Growney (http://poetrywithmathematics.blogspot.com ). Although the reading is open to all, without pre-selected readers, we will prepare a written program of poets who submit their work by our December 1 deadline. Both mathematician-poets and others who use mathematics in their poems are invited to submit. Send (prior to December 1, 2011) via e-mail, to Gizem Karaali (Gizem dot Karaali at pomona dot edu) up to 3 poems that involve mathematics (in content or structure, or both) -- no more than 3 pages -- and a 25 word bio. From these submissions, a written program of titles and bios will be prepared. We anticipate about 5 minutes available for each reader but a large (or small) number of submissions may temper this somewhat. After scheduled readers have completed their presentations, there will be an Open Reading -- and interested persons present (in Room 302 of Boston?s Hynes Convention Center) will be invited to read. For more information, please contact JoAnne Growney: JoAnne Growney - Silver Spring, MD; more information at http://joannegrowney.com _______________________________________________ Bridges mailing list Bridges at lists.uwaterloo.ca https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/bridges -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 14:15:59 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT: On-site Childcare @ AWP - Cast your vote? In-Reply-To: <1316723106.4788.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1316723106.4788.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1316801759.27616.YahooMailNeo@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for signing the petition to show your support, Tad!? It's strange: mostly women have signed.? Don't men who write and attend AWP also have children?? ? Not so incidentally, someone asked me off-list about the actual logistics of getting childcare at AWP - Christian Teresi spoke with Sandra yesterday and reported that it would cost AWP $70k to do so.? I haven't done the research, but a rough calculation suggests that with over 9,000 attendees, that would raise the cost for everyone by $7.75 per person.? As a non-parent, I would be willing to pay such a fee to help the writing community fare better for writers who have children.? I mean, I think that's key, isn't it?? We're writers who attend the conference for a variety of reasons, together?? As a community?? I'd give up the cost of one of the many drinks AWP attendees incur for such a cause.? Or am I just being sentimental? I know other conferences have handled childcare for their members, some not even on the scale of AWP -- can anyone weigh in with the logistics on such a long overdue and sorely needed "technicality"?? Thanks much, Amy ---------- Forwarded message --------- I created a petition this morning to put pressure on AWP to provide on-site childcare for participants. Please sign if you agree with this action. Also, non-parents, feel free to sign in solidarity. Take Care, Sandra Simonds https://www.change.org/ petitions/awp-to-accommodate- on-site-childcare-for- conference-participants?utm_ medium=facebook&utm_source= share_petition&utm_term=own_ wall ********* Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > http://www.bookforum.com/index.php?pn=pubdates&id=8355 > > Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry > Adam Plunkett > > Pay attention to the poetry world, and you?ll notice a kind of false > advertising: most of published criticism is positive even though so much of > published poetry is bad. (This is probably why a lot of people don?t pay > attention to the poetry world.) One reason for the dearth of critical > comeuppances is that even bad poems are often hard to understand and harder > to understand conclusively, so negative critics risk missing something and > looking like fools. They > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM, bob grumman wrote: > > > *From:* Halvard Johnson > *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2011 3:17 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry > > Glad someone cares enough to post this kind of shit. > > Yikes, I wonder what Jeff has to say about such an unkind remark about a > post linking to a critic introducing us to a *Yale Younger Poet* who is > clearly flying the fabled banner of Wilshberia. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I reveled in the (lesser success) of say Bobby Rogers because his book PAPER ANNIVERSARY knocked me on my ass. I rejoice in the triumphs of a lot of friends and a lot of poets I don't know and will never meet. Because they write poems that matter to me and to themselves. Neither of the Dickmans has written a poem that matters to me yet and reading them, I have to wonder if their poems mean anything to them. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Are you saying I should follow the link? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM, bob grumman wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:17 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Glad someone cares enough to post this kind of shit. 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Offaly, Ireland Message-ID: <1316818551.76874.YahooMailClassic@web161617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Photos: We had planned to do a reading for the 100000 Poets for Change event in Tullamore, but a family illness on my part, and sheer lack of co-ordination meant it did not come to be. While quering venues, our good friend Ken Hume got invitede to Culture Night in Edenderry, an annual cultural event in Ireland, held for the first time outside of Dublin. ? And so we renegades of the Tullamore Rhymers Club decided to infiltrate the event and merge ours with theirs, and so a day early we kicked off 100000 Poets for Change at the Culture Night in the Library in Edenderry in Co. Offaly... as you do! ? The eveening started off with Irish traditional music from members of Edenderry Ceoltas (Irish music society) that featured a man and a number of young relatives on banjo / ukelele, accordians and a harp, the latter of which was excellent considering the young age of the harpist. ? A talk, morelike conversation from Geraldine O' Neill about how she got into writing stories and books kept all agog for a half hour or so, after which we had a break for more wine, skewered cheeses, salmon on crackers and other delicacies I could not recognise but ate reguardless. It must have been the wine, but they tasted lovely reguardless!!! ? After that Ken Hume read out poems about a local charachter here in Tullamore, and another two poems, and read Anthony Sullivans 911 piece recently published in the Midland Tribune. ? Then his mother Triona read out two of her pieces to great acclaim. ? She was followed by a local poetess Fionnula ? who had three evocative non rhyming poems, one on the loss of her sister as a child, and another on street signs of all things, and my favourite one, about the bog. ? Being up next, I kept to the theme and read my poem "Walking the Bog", followed it up with "Out of Tune" before finishing up with "Fate and Faiths". ? Geraldine O Neill took the stage again and gave tips about writing, afterwhich the usual thanks to all was given by the county librarian and the librarian of Edenderry, and we had a chat and mingled a bit before heading home from a very enjoyable night. "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I rejoice in the triumphs of a lot of friends and a lot of poets I don't know and will never meet. Because they write poems that matter to me and to themselves. Neither of the Dickmans has written a poem that matters to me yet and reading them, I have to wonder if their poems mean anything to them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Fri Sep 23 19:13:19 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: <1316818797.77422.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CE484E928F5B46-2480-BD2B5@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com><1286089DF4174E0DA0D3F596A4FC2EE2@BobHP><8CE485AB952B3A9-ED0-25B01@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <1316818797.77422.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE485D841CEF39-ED0-25C5A@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> It's easier to post a poem than to articulate it--and I'm aware that Rogers may be too narrative, too longwinded, too southern for some readers--but his constant discovery of the infinite in the everyday stuff of our lives, the sense that life has not yielded all its mysteries yet, the love for language that arises in his meditations on names in this poem--that's the stuff I read poems for. On a more mechanical level, I think years of teaching grammar has made me appreciate even more a well put together sentence, and Rogers writes those. I also like a long line if it's handled well, and he is able to write a long line that rarely sags into prose. I understand that thematically and technically little new ground is bring broken here, but I love watching his mind work over the same problems of life, death, art and living that we all encounter every day. Damn--long winded enough for ya? Paper Anniversary A forgiving spring and now July's heat. You can almost see the grass growing. In the mornings, white-throated sparrows take turns flying through the spray of lawn sprinklers up and down the street. Our driveway bends around an ancient pin oak ? you tell me it is a willow oak, Quercus phellos, but I will keep calling it what I have always heard it called. This is how names work: they come about somehow and stay if they stay. We are still unpacking, finding resting places for the belongings we brought to this old house, the silverware and wedding china, odd pieces of furniture, cartons of papers and books, the heaviest things to move. It has been the season of discovering the yard's plantings, blooming in their time to speak what we'll take as a welcome. The azaleas announced themselves to us as pink or white, solving that mystery before coloring the lawn with discarded flowers. You were happy for a week when you discovered the peonies languishing and neglected beside the one good section of fence on the property and could hardly wait until their lavish blooms shamelessly came open. The hydrangeas, you say, have their color decided for them by the soil's subtle chemistry. You brought in panicles of blossoms mostly the tint of a day-sky's blue in a cooler season, but also shaded with tincture of iodine and a wash of rust to complicate the hue. All of this is news to me. Every flower has at least two names. Butterfly bush, summer lilac, something in Latin I would have to look up. Since we moved in, you have been arranging cut flowers from the yard in what vases we have, the wide-mouth jar I found in the crawl space, a beaded white stem vase handed down from somebody's grandmother, the blue bottle vase I paid a few dollars for at a secondhand shop, purple iris against the parchment-colored walls, a spray of narcissus on the dresser. Le Corbusier said, "The plan proceeds from within to without; the exterior is the result of an interior." Outside, on this narrow city lot a sense of order arises as I take up the chain saw and clear away a decade's worth of mimosa volunteers and wild cherry trees. I can see the plan that someone laid out before us, hollies in a line below the dining room window, the bulbs arrayed around the house's corner and in a long bed beside the garage, a declivity in the lawn where a flowering tree must have stood. In early summer a single surprise lily emerged two feet tall overnight with a trumpet flower. We will make our revisions. I prune the ivy and pull it from where it has climbed the window screens. The massive oak, seventy years old, planted the year the house went up, has endured as long as anything on this street. We should stop worrying what to call things. Something will come to us, a phrase that holds a like meaning for you as it does for me. I've found the place where the soul goes when it is set loose from the body. I do not know the word for it. -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Al, Can you say something about why Bobby Roger's work knocked you on your ass? Or post a poem you loved from the book? Curious, Amy ********* Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From: "almaginnes at aol.com" Someone told me that my dislike of their poetry meant that I was jealous. Perhaps. But I don't think so. I reveled in the (lesser success) of say Bobby Rogers because his book PAPER ANNIVERSARY knocked me on my ass. I rejoice in the triumphs of a lot of friends and a lot of poets I don't know and will never meet. Because they write poems that matter to me and to themselves. Neither of the Dickmans has written a poem that matters to me yet and reading them, I have to wonder if their poems mean anything to them. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We were all of us poor and living on ideas, stumbling home late to basement apartments, talking to ourselves. What did we own except books and debt? When the time came we could move it all in the trunk of a car. Tom knew what a book was worth?he brought it back a week later, seemingly unhandled, just a little looser in the spine, a trade paper edition of The Death of Artemio Cruz, required reading for a course in postmodernism we were suffering through. The book's trashed now, boxed up and buried in the garage with a hundred other things I can't throw away. When I moved back south I loaned it again to a girl I'd just met. At some party I'd said it was the best novel since Absalom, Absalom!, which may have been true, but mostly I was trying to impress her, and convince myself, still testing all I'd been told about the matter of a book is best kept separate from, well, matter. Months later it turned up on my front steps without comment, the cover torn in two places, the dog-eared pages of self-conscious prose stuck together with dark, rich chocolate. -----Original Message----- From: almaginnes To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry It's easier to post a poem than to articulate it--and I'm aware that Rogers may be too narrative, too longwinded, too southern for some readers--but his constant discovery of the infinite in the everyday stuff of our lives, the sense that life has not yielded all its mysteries yet, the love for language that arises in his meditations on names in this poem--that's the stuff I read poems for. On a more mechanical level, I think years of teaching grammar has made me appreciate even more a well put together sentence, and Rogers writes those. I also like a long line if it's handled well, and he is able to write a long line that rarely sags into prose. I understand that thematically and technically little new ground is bring broken here, but I love watching his mind work over the same problems of life, death, art and living that we all encounter every day. Damn--long winded enough for ya? Paper Anniversary A forgiving spring and now July's heat. You can almost see the grass growing. In the mornings, white-throated sparrows take turns flying through the spray of lawn sprinklers up and down the street. Our driveway bends around an ancient pin oak ? you tell me it is a willow oak, Quercus phellos, but I will keep calling it what I have always heard it called. This is how names work: they come about somehow and stay if they stay. We are still unpacking, finding resting places for the belongings we brought to this old house, the silverware and wedding china, odd pieces of furniture, cartons of papers and books, the heaviest things to move. It has been the season of discovering the yard's plantings, blooming in their time to speak what we'll take as a welcome. The azaleas announced themselves to us as pink or white, solving that mystery before coloring the lawn with discarded flowers. You were happy for a week when you discovered the peonies languishing and neglected beside the one good section of fence on the property and could hardly wait until their lavish blooms shamelessly came open. The hydrangeas, you say, have their color decided for them by the soil's subtle chemistry. You brought in panicles of blossoms mostly the tint of a day-sky's blue in a cooler season, but also shaded with tincture of iodine and a wash of rust to complicate the hue. All of this is news to me. Every flower has at least two names. Butterfly bush, summer lilac, something in Latin I would have to look up. Since we moved in, you have been arranging cut flowers from the yard in what vases we have, the wide-mouth jar I found in the crawl space, a beaded white stem vase handed down from somebody's grandmother, the blue bottle vase I paid a few dollars for at a secondhand shop, purple iris against the parchment-colored walls, a spray of narcissus on the dresser. Le Corbusier said, "The plan proceeds from within to without; the exterior is the result of an interior." Outside, on this narrow city lot a sense of order arises as I take up the chain saw and clear away a decade's worth of mimosa volunteers and wild cherry trees. I can see the plan that someone laid out before us, hollies in a line below the dining room window, the bulbs arrayed around the house's corner and in a long bed beside the garage, a declivity in the lawn where a flowering tree must have stood. In early summer a single surprise lily emerged two feet tall overnight with a trumpet flower. We will make our revisions. I prune the ivy and pull it from where it has climbed the window screens. The massive oak, seventy years old, planted the year the house went up, has endured as long as anything on this street. We should stop worrying what to call things. Something will come to us, a phrase that holds a like meaning for you as it does for me. I've found the place where the soul goes when it is set loose from the body. I do not know the word for it. -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Al, Can you say something about why Bobby Roger's work knocked you on your ass? Or post a poem you loved from the book? Curious, Amy ********* Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From: "almaginnes at aol.com" Someone told me that my dislike of their poetry meant that I was jealous. Perhaps. But I don't think so. I reveled in the (lesser success) of say Bobby Rogers because his book PAPER ANNIVERSARY knocked me on my ass. I rejoice in the triumphs of a lot of friends and a lot of poets I don't know and will never meet. Because they write poems that matter to me and to themselves. Neither of the Dickmans has written a poem that matters to me yet and reading them, I have to wonder if their poems mean anything to them. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spears *?* Mark Wallace *?* Charles Frederickson *?* Larissa Shmailo *?* Jason Braun *?* Jeff Harrison *?* Basil King's Ark *?* Michele Pierri *?* Hoshang Merchant *?* Kathy Figueroa *?* Christopher Barnes *?* Benjamin E. Nardolilli *?* Marton Koppany *?* Karen Margolis *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Jared Schickling *?* Mike J. Gallagher *?* Maria Damon *?* Devreaux Baker *?* Hammond Guthrie *?* A. D. Winans *?* Berty Skuber *?* Jane Nakagawa ???????? *?* Alejandro Thornton *?* Rayn Roberts *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Diana Magallon *?* Ed Coletti *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Amy Kohut * ?* Bina Sarkar Ellias *?* Taylor Graham *?* Carol Novack *?* Jon Corelis *?* Paul Vangelisti *?* Paul Lobo Portug?s *?* Walter Keyombe *?* Barine Saana Ngaage *?* Bonnie MacAllister *?* Lars Palm * ?* Rachel Blau DuPlessis *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Allegra Baggio *?* J?ZSEF B?R? *?* Michael Gregory *?* Joanne Arnott *?* Mari?ngel Gasca Posadas *?* Alejandra Ilhuitzi Tena Gasca *?* July Westhale *?* Janis Butler Holm *?* Geri Digiorno *?* Alan Sondheim *?* John Curl *?* Charles Martin *?* Marilyn Hazelton *?* Alexander N. Tan Jr. *?* Ellin Sarot *?* Lawrence Upton *?* Ada Jill Schneider *?* Marian Veverka *?* steve dalachinsky *?* Jerry McGuire *?* Rosemary Starace *?* Allen Bramhall *?* Peter Gordon *?* Pamela Grossman *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Hugh Mann *?* Millicent Borges Accardi *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth *?* Pam Bernard *?* Heather Thomas *?* Phibby Venable *?* Andrew Topel *?* NOAH's ARC, Reading, PA *?* Anna Lena Phillips *?* Marvin R. Hiemstra *?* Katie Manning *?* Nena Weinsteiger *?* Carol Dorf *?* Elizabeth Bodien *?* Marthe Reed and Jonathan Nutt *?* Christina Vega-Westhoff *?* Marian Frances Wolbers *?* Nancy Keane *?* Kit Kennedy *?* Vihang A. Naik *?* Sharon Doubiago *?* Deborah Poe *?* Hedwig Gorski *?* Ther?se Halscheid *?* Penelope Scambly Schott *?* Anny Ballardini *?* Paul Falardeau *?* Joel Weishaus *?* Ingrid Wendt *?* Mahnaz Badihiab My Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3598 Our Call for work: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3596 The direct link to the Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=393 With our best wishes, Anny Ballardini and Obododimma Oha -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? --- On Sat, 24/9/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 8:22 Dear All, Together with Michael Rothenberg and a conspicuous number of poets around the world that have organized Poetry Readings on September 24, today, Obododimma Oha and I are announcing the 100Thousand Poets for Change Anthology. It is our pleasure to introduce those poets who have joined the Poets? Corner with their work: ? Red Slider ? John B. Lee ? Dennis Barone ? Elizabeth Smither ? Marc Olmsted ? Edward Mycue ? Martin Achatz ? Beverly Matherne ? Joanne Kyger ? Susan Terris ? Ro Mayer ? Lynn Strongin ? Mark Spitzer ? Geoffrey Gatza ? Grace Cavalieri ? Paul E. Nelson ? Richard Dillon ? Paolo Dalponte ? Jill Chan ? Christina Pacosz ? Basil King ? Barry Alpert ? Randolph Healy ? Andr? Spears ? Mark Wallace ? Charles Frederickson ? Larissa Shmailo ? Jason Braun ? Jeff Harrison ? Basil King's Ark ? Michele Pierri ? Hoshang Merchant ? Kathy Figueroa ? Christopher Barnes ? Benjamin E. Nardolilli ? Marton Koppany ? Karen Margolis ? Obododimma Oha ? Jared Schickling ? Mike J. Gallagher ? Maria Damon ? Devreaux Baker ? Hammond Guthrie ? A. D. Winans ? Berty Skuber ? Jane Nakagawa ???????? ? Alejandro Thornton ? Rayn Roberts ? Jim Leftwich ? Diana Magallon ? Ed Coletti ? Peter Ciccariello ? Amy Kohut ? Bina Sarkar Ellias ? Taylor Graham ? Carol Novack ? Jon Corelis ? Paul Vangelisti ? Paul Lobo Portug?s ? Walter Keyombe ? Barine Saana Ngaage ? Bonnie MacAllister ? Lars Palm ? Rachel Blau DuPlessis ? Barbara Crooker ? Allegra Baggio ? J?ZSEF B?R? ? Michael Gregory ? Joanne Arnott ? Mari?ngel Gasca Posadas ? Alejandra Ilhuitzi Tena Gasca ? July Westhale ? Janis Butler Holm ? Geri Digiorno ? Alan Sondheim ? John Curl ? Charles Martin ? Marilyn Hazelton ? Alexander N. Tan Jr. ? Ellin Sarot ? Lawrence Upton ? Ada Jill Schneider ? Marian Veverka ? steve dalachinsky ? Jerry McGuire ? Rosemary Starace ? Allen Bramhall ? Peter Gordon ? Pamela Grossman ? Evelyn Posamentier ? Hugh Mann ? Millicent Borges Accardi ? Ann Fisher-Wirth ? Pam Bernard ? Heather Thomas ? Phibby Venable ? Andrew Topel ? NOAH's ARC, Reading, PA ? Anna Lena Phillips ? Marvin R. Hiemstra ? Katie Manning ? Nena Weinsteiger ? Carol Dorf ? Elizabeth Bodien ? Marthe Reed and Jonathan Nutt ? Christina Vega-Westhoff ? Marian Frances Wolbers ? Nancy Keane ? Kit Kennedy ? Vihang A. Naik ? Sharon Doubiago ? Deborah Poe ? Hedwig Gorski ? Ther?se Halscheid ? Penelope Scambly Schott ? Anny Ballardini ? Paul Falardeau ? Joel Weishaus ? Ingrid Wendt ? Mahnaz Badihiab My Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3598 Our Call for work: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3596 The direct link to the Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=393 With our best wishes, Anny Ballardini and Obododimma Oha -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sat Sep 24 12:01:01 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event In-Reply-To: <1316879002.6510.YahooMailClassic@web161617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1316879002.6510.YahooMailClassic@web161617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE48EA4A8506DB-7FC-CE51A@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> Yes! That is a great idea-- -----Original Message----- From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 8:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event Excellent, you should put it on paper and upload to Lulu or Cafepress and release it as Print on Demand... "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com ::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos --- On Sat, 24/9/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 8:22 Dear All, Together with Michael Rothenberg and a conspicuous number of poets around the world that have organized Poetry Readings on September 24, today, Obododimma Oha and I are announcing the 100Thousand Poets for Change Anthology. It is our pleasure to introduce those poets who have joined the Poets? Corner with their work: ? Red Slider ? John B. Lee ? Dennis Barone ? Elizabeth Smither ? Marc Olmsted ? Edward Mycue ? Martin Achatz ? Beverly Matherne ? Joanne Kyger ? Susan Terris ? Ro Mayer ? Lynn Strongin ? Mark Spitzer ? Geoffrey Gatza ? Grace Cavalieri ? Paul E. Nelson ? Richard Dillon ? Paolo Dalponte ? Jill Chan ? Christina Pacosz ? Basil King ? Barry Alpert ? Randolph Healy ? Andr? Spears ? Mark Wallace ? Charles Frederickson ? Larissa Shmailo ? Jason Braun ? Jeff Harrison ? Basil King's Ark ? Michele Pierri ? Hoshang Merchant ? Kathy Figueroa ? Christopher Barnes ? Benjamin E. Nardolilli ? Marton Koppany ? Karen Margolis ? Obododimma Oha ? Jared Schickling ? Mike J. Gallagher ? Maria Damon ? Devreaux Baker ? Hammond Guthrie ? A. D. Winans ? Berty Skuber ? Jane Nakagawa ???????? ? Alejandro Thornton ? Rayn Roberts ? Jim Leftwich ? Diana Magallon ? Ed Coletti ? Peter Ciccariello ? Amy Kohut ? Bina Sarkar Ellias ? Taylor Graham ? Carol Novack ? Jon Corelis ? Paul Vangelisti ? Paul Lobo Portug?s ? Walter Keyombe ? Barine Saana Ngaage ? Bonnie MacAllister ? Lars Palm ? Rachel Blau DuPlessis ? Barbara Crooker ? Allegra Baggio ? J?ZSEF B?R? ? Michael Gregory ? Joanne Arnott ? Mari?ngel Gasca Posadas ? Alejandra Ilhuitzi Tena Gasca ? July Westhale ? Janis Butler Holm ? Geri Digiorno ? Alan Sondheim ? John Curl ? Charles Martin ? Marilyn Hazelton ? Alexander N. Tan Jr. ? Ellin Sarot ? Lawrence Upton ? Ada Jill Schneider ? Marian Veverka ? steve dalachinsky ? Jerry McGuire ? Rosemary Starace ? Allen Bramhall ? Peter Gordon ? Pamela Grossman ? Evelyn Posamentier ? Hugh Mann ? Millicent Borges Accardi ? Ann Fisher-Wirth ? Pam Bernard ? Heather Thomas ? Phibby Venable ? Andrew Topel ? NOAH's ARC, Reading, PA ? Anna Lena Phillips ? Marvin R. Hiemstra ? Katie Manning ? Nena Weinsteiger ? Carol Dorf ? Elizabeth Bodien ? Marthe Reed and Jonathan Nutt ? Christina Vega-Westhoff ? Marian Frances Wolbers ? Nancy Keane ? Kit Kennedy ? Vihang A. Naik ? Sharon Doubiago ? Deborah Poe ? Hedwig Gorski ? Ther?se Halscheid ? Penelope Scambly Schott ? Anny Ballardini ? Paul Falardeau ? Joel Weishaus ? Ingrid Wendt ? Mahnaz Badihiab My Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3598 Our Call for work: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3596 The direct link to the Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=393 With our best wishes, Anny Ballardini and Obododimma Oha -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 12:31:13 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Review of "Readings at the Pallet" by Anthony Sullivan Message-ID: <1316881873.82878.YahooMailClassic@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Below is review of the recent poetry festival READINGS FROM THE PALLET in Banagher in Co. Offaly on the 23rd of August last. "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? --- On Thu, 22/9/11, Tony Sullivan wrote: From: Tony Sullivan Subject: Fw: the pallet piece! : ) To: "tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com" Date: Thursday, 22 September, 2011, 17:26 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tony Sullivan To: "boylandave at eircom.net" Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011, 19:59 Subject: the pallet piece! : ) WHEN OLD FRIENDS MEET AGAIN...( EVEN FOR THE FIRST TIME! ) There comes a time in everyone's life when they finally reach a? stage where, no matter what happens, there's a few precious facts they're sure of, and that remain a steadfast bulwark against the world as it revolves, at times all too wildly. These may just be little things, but they bring no end of comfort to life all the same. It could be settling down to enjoy your beverage of choice, letting it breathe new life into your weary bones with each rejuvenating sip. And maybe being able to let that beverage flow while perched snugly atop your favorite stool in an establishment that feels not too unlike some kind of peaceful cocoon probably might. The company there of a few well-known and trusted faces too, can settle the heartbeat into a happy, steady rhythm. Little things all, but little things that matter. Now, if you happen to be someone from in or around the town of Banagher, or say, just out the road from there, among the green fields of Lusmagh ( like myself, for instance! ), and if you've ever passed an hour or two, pen in hand, trying to shape into poetic form some moment of time as glimpsed in a flash by your mind's eye, or that echo perhaps, deep within your soul, then there's a wonderful little open secret that you'll no doubt be well aware of already. If not, then read on.... This secret comes to life for one night only each year, in Corrigan's Corner House on Banagher's main thoroughfare. The secret itself is a feeling, like those previously described above, but on this particular night, one that's deepest felt by that curious breed of cultural renegade who still find themselves drawn to the beauty of the written word, and to it's expression, also. It's a night that you know you want to be at, to be a part of, to experience. For any writer who participates, it has the aura of a homecoming to it, even when it's your first time there. And it's a feeling you can be sure will be present year after year, as it has been for the last two decades. It is, of course, the ' Readings From The Pallet. ' The atmosphere for this year's Pallet was no less special, and the expectation of the night's events made the journey from Tullamore one full of anticipation, shared as it was with two fellow scribes; Banagher native and winner of the Pallet in 2010, Tomas Carty, and making his debut appearance upon the famous old stage, Tullamore man, Ken Hume. Although a somewhat smaller crowd was in attendance than would be the norm for the Pallet ( a birthday and a wedding celebration on the same evening being the reason why, I believe ), those present in the audience were every bit as attentive and appreciative as has become standard for the occasion. All who dared to stand beneath the spotlight's glow were afforded the respect deserved by such exposure of the soul. Heartstrings were delicately plucked, memories? of yore were gently recalled from a maze of yesterdays, ballads of frustration at the struggles faced by so many today, and odes of longing for better tomorrows were all skillfully and passionately delivered by this year's cast. There was the aforementioned Misters Carty and Hume; two men who were there on the very night of the Pallet's birth many's a poem ago, Father Brian Johnson and George Smith; the ever elegant Rosemary Potter; Mark Ivory, an exiled son returning from distant shores; Mark Boylan, a young man fast building a reputation for himself in Ireland and further afield as both a singer-songwriter and turf-club tipster of some note ( pun intended! ); yours truly, and last, but first yet again, the man crowned king for 2011 and for a third time overall, Banagher's own Dave Boylan. A very special mention, however, must be reserved for two of the Pallet's youngest ever performers; ?? Boylan and ?? Corrigan, both of whom, I think all would agree, were the true and brightest stars of the night's proceedings! And then, finally, as the spotlight dimmed and the marker was passed around for the traditional and ceremonial signing of the Pallet itself, a veil of contentment descended on all as congratulations were offered and accepted, and last drinks were sadly finished, but with the satisfaction of washing down another night to remember in Corrigan's Corner House. Truly, for all who have known the pleasure and the privilege of being part of it, another of those little things that bring so much comfort and meaning to life. Little things, but as I said in the beginning, little things that matter. Especially in a world that sometimes seems to have forgotten the glorious tranquility to be found in simply being still. In listening. In sharing. In belonging. Pallet 2011, you served us well, of that, there will come argument from none. May your successor see us all, and more, return to your literary alter in good health and strong spirit as summer's end draws near and we prepare to welcome the changing leaves of autumn in 2012, when old friends will meet again, some even for the first time! END. Anthony Sullivan is a Lusmagh born poet and songwriter. He has two books published, "Under Star and Under Sun" and "Pilgrim in the Heartland" His website is: www.anthonysullivan.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sat Sep 24 12:39:45 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Review of "Readings at the Pallet" by Anthony Sullivan In-Reply-To: <1316881873.82878.YahooMailClassic@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1316881873.82878.YahooMailClassic@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE48EFB37B9C32-7FC-CF86D@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Small item, but there's a new "review" of my poetry book up at Amazon. Here, in its entirety. "In Injuring Eternity, Millicent Borges Accardi brings forth the point that it is the simplier moments in life that many of us fail to notice. Her beautifully written book becomes a celebration of these often overlooked personal times, be they "pouring rusty nails/Into oily glass jars in the cellar" or "Waking up/To noises that must be squelched." Accardi talently presents us with a sincere tribute to regular life, and does it with a special and unique voice. The writing is both sensual and seductive, and the imagry lasts long after we close the book, our thoughts on reading it again and again." Thanks! Mill Help me get to 600 "likes" by Halloween. Click here to "like" my FB page. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh To: UB) Poetics List (UPenn ; NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 9:31 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Review of "Readings at the Pallet" by Anthony Sullivan Below is review of the recent poetry festival READINGS FROM THE PALLET in Banagher in Co. Offaly on the 23rd of August last. "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com ::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos --- On Thu, 22/9/11, Tony Sullivan wrote: From: Tony Sullivan Subject: Fw: the pallet piece! : ) To: "tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com" Date: Thursday, 22 September, 2011, 17:26 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tony Sullivan To: "boylandave at eircom.net" Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011, 19:59 Subject: the pallet piece! : ) WHEN OLD FRIENDS MEET AGAIN...( EVEN FOR THE FIRST TIME! ) There comes a time in everyone's life when they finally reach a stage where, no matter what happens, there's a few precious facts they're sure of, and that remain a steadfast bulwark against the world as it revolves, at times all too wildly. These may just be little things, but they bring no end of comfort to life all the same. It could be settling down to enjoy your beverage of choice, letting it breathe new life into your weary bones with each rejuvenating sip. And maybe being able to let that beverage flow while perched snugly atop your favorite stool in an establishment that feels not too unlike some kind of peaceful cocoon probably might. The company there of a few well-known and trusted faces too, can settle the heartbeat into a happy, steady rhythm. Little things all, but little things that matter. Now, if you happen to be someone from in or around the town of Banagher, or say, just out the road from there, among the green fields of Lusmagh ( like myself, for instance! ), and if you've ever passed an hour or two, pen in hand, trying to shape into poetic form some moment of time as glimpsed in a flash by your mind's eye, or that echo perhaps, deep within your soul, then there's a wonderful little open secret that you'll no doubt be well aware of already. If not, then read on.... This secret comes to life for one night only each year, in Corrigan's Corner House on Banagher's main thoroughfare. The secret itself is a feeling, like those previously described above, but on this particular night, one that's deepest felt by that curious breed of cultural renegade who still find themselves drawn to the beauty of the written word, and to it's expression, also. It's a night that you know you want to be at, to be a part of, to experience. For any writer who participates, it has the aura of a homecoming to it, even when it's your first time there. And it's a feeling you can be sure will be present year after year, as it has been for the last two decades. It is, of course, the ' Readings From The Pallet. ' The atmosphere for this year's Pallet was no less special, and the expectation of the night's events made the journey from Tullamore one full of anticipation, shared as it was with two fellow scribes; Banagher native and winner of the Pallet in 2010, Tomas Carty, and making his debut appearance upon the famous old stage, Tullamore man, Ken Hume. Although a somewhat smaller crowd was in attendance than would be the norm for the Pallet ( a birthday and a wedding celebration on the same evening being the reason why, I believe ), those present in the audience were every bit as attentive and appreciative as has become standard for the occasion. All who dared to stand beneath the spotlight's glow were afforded the respect deserved by such exposure of the soul. Heartstrings were delicately plucked, memories of yore were gently recalled from a maze of yesterdays, ballads of frustration at the struggles faced by so many today, and odes of longing for better tomorrows were all skillfully and passionately delivered by this year's cast. There was the aforementioned Misters Carty and Hume; two men who were there on the very night of the Pallet's birth many's a poem ago, Father Brian Johnson and George Smith; the ever elegant Rosemary Potter; Mark Ivory, an exiled son returning from distant shores; Mark Boylan, a young man fast building a reputation for himself in Ireland and further afield as both a singer-songwriter and turf-club tipster of some note ( pun intended! ); yours truly, and last, but first yet again, the man crowned king for 2011 and for a third time overall, Banagher's own Dave Boylan. A very special mention, however, must be reserved for two of the Pallet's youngest ever performers; ?? Boylan and ?? Corrigan, both of whom, I think all would agree, were the true and brightest stars of the night's proceedings! And then, finally, as the spotlight dimmed and the marker was passed around for the traditional and ceremonial signing of the Pallet itself, a veil of contentment descended on all as congratulations were offered and accepted, and last drinks were sadly finished, but with the satisfaction of washing down another night to remember in Corrigan's Corner House. Truly, for all who have known the pleasure and the privilege of being part of it, another of those little things that bring so much comfort and meaning to life. Little things, but as I said in the beginning, little things that matter. Especially in a world that sometimes seems to have forgotten the glorious tranquility to be found in simply being still. In listening. In sharing. In belonging. Pallet 2011, you served us well, of that, there will come argument from none. May your successor see us all, and more, return to your literary alter in good health and strong spirit as summer's end draws near and we prepare to welcome the changing leaves of autumn in 2012, when old friends will meet again, some even for the first time! END. Anthony Sullivan is a Lusmagh born poet and songwriter. He has two books published, "Under Star and Under Sun" and "Pilgrim in the Heartland" His website is: www.anthonysullivan.biz _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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C?rthaigh > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 8:54 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event > > Excellent, you should put it on paper and upload to Lulu or Cafepress > and release it as Print on Demand... > > *"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" * > ------------------------------ > - www.writingsinrhyme.com *:::* Add me on Facebook > * :::* My YouTube Videos > > * > * > > > --- On *Sat, 24/9/11, Anny Ballardini * wrote: > > > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: [New-Poetry] an Anthology and an Event > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 8:22 > > Dear All, > > Together with Michael Rothenberg and a conspicuous number of poets around > the world that have organized Poetry Readings on September 24, today, > Obododimma Oha and I are announcing the *100Thousand Poets for Change > Anthology*. It is our pleasure to introduce those poets who have joined > the Poets? Corner with their work: > * > * > *?* Red Slider > *?* John B. Lee > *?* Dennis Barone > *?* Elizabeth Smither > *?* Marc Olmsted > *?* Edward Mycue > *?* Martin Achatz > *?* Beverly Matherne > *?* Joanne Kyger > *?* Susan Terris > *?* Ro Mayer > *?* Lynn Strongin > *?* Mark > Spitzer *?* Geoffrey > Gatza *?* Grace > Cavalieri *?* Paul > E. Nelson *?* Richard > Dillon *?* Paolo > Dalponte *?* Jill > Chan *?* Christina > Pacosz *?* Basil > King *?* Barry > Alpert *?* Randolph > Healy *?* Andr? > Spears *?* Mark > Wallace *?* Charles > Frederickson > *?* Larissa Shmailo > *?* Jason Braun > *?* Jeff Harrison > *?* Basil King's Ark > *?* Michele Pierri > *?* Hoshang Merchant > *?* Kathy Figueroa > *?* Christopher Barnes > *?* Benjamin E. Nardolilli > *?* Marton Koppany > *?* Karen Margolis > *?* Obododimma Oha > *?* Jared Schickling > *?* Mike J. Gallagher > *?* Maria Damon > *?* Devreaux Baker > *?* Hammond > Guthrie *?* A. > D. Winans *?* Berty > Skuber *?* Jane > Nakagawa ???????? > *?* Alejandro Thornton > *?* Rayn Roberts > *?* Jim Leftwich > *?* Diana Magallon > *?* Ed Coletti > *?* Peter Ciccariello > *?* Amy Kohut > *?* Bina Sarkar Ellias > *?* Taylor Graham > *?* Carol Novack > *?* Jon Corelis > *?* Paul Vangelisti > *?* Paul Lobo Portug?s > *?* Walter Keyombe > *?* Barine Saana Ngaage > *?* Bonnie MacAllister > *?* Lars Palm > *?* Rachel Blau DuPlessis > *?* Barbara Crooker > *?* Allegra Baggio > *?* J?ZSEF B?R? > *?* Michael > Gregory *?* Joanne > Arnott *?* Mari?ngel > Gasca Posadas > *?* Alejandra Ilhuitzi Tena Gasca > *?* July Westhale > *?* Janis Butler Holm > *?* Geri > Digiorno *?* Alan > Sondheim *?* John > Curl *?* Charles > Martin *?* Marilyn > Hazelton *?* Alexander > N. Tan Jr. *? > * Ellin Sarot > *?* Lawrence Upton > *?* Ada Jill Schneider > *?* Marian Veverka > *?* steve dalachinsky > *?* Jerry > McGuire *?* Rosemary > Starace *?* Allen > Bramhall *?* Peter > Gordon *?* Pamela > Grossman *?* Evelyn > Posamentier * > ?* Hugh Mann > *?* Millicent Borges Accardi > *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth > *?* Pam Bernard > *?* Heather Thomas > *?* Phibby Venable > *?* Andrew Topel > *?* NOAH's ARC, Reading, PA > *?* Anna Lena > Phillips *?* Marvin > R. Hiemstra * > ?* Katie Manning > *?* Nena Weinsteiger > *?* Carol Dorf > *?* Elizabeth Bodien > *?* Marthe Reed and Jonathan Nutt > *?* Christina Vega-Westhoff > *?* Marian Frances Wolbers > *?* Nancy Keane > *?* Kit Kennedy > *?* Vihang A. Naik > *?* Sharon > Doubiago *?* Deborah > Poe *?* Hedwig > Gorski *?* Ther?se > Halscheid *?* Penelope > Scambly Schott > *?* Anny Ballardini > *?* Paul Falardeau > *?* Joel > Weishaus *?* Ingrid > Wendt *?* Mahnaz > Badihiab > > > My Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3598 > > Our Call for work: > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3596 > > The direct link to the Anthology: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=393 > > With our best wishes, Anny Ballardini and Obododimma Oha > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 15:50:52 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:50:52 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Review of "Readings at the Pallet" by Anthony Sullivan In-Reply-To: <8CE48EFB37B9C32-7FC-CF86D@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> References: <1316881873.82878.YahooMailClassic@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CE48EFB37B9C32-7FC-CF86D@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Millicent! On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Millicent Borges Accardi wrote: > Hi, > > Small item, but there's a new "review" of my poetry book up at Amazon. > > Here, in its entirety. > > "In *Injuring Eternity*, Millicent Borges Accardi brings forth the point > that it is the simplier moments in life that many of us fail to notice. Her > beautifully written book becomes a celebration of these often overlooked > personal times, be they "pouring rusty nails/Into oily glass jars in the > cellar" or "Waking up/To noises that must be squelched." Accardi talently > presents us with a sincere tribute to regular life, and does it with a > special and unique voice. The writing is both sensual and seductive, and the > imagry lasts long after we close the book, our thoughts on reading it again > and again." > > Thanks! > > Mill > > > Help me get to 600 "likes" by Halloween. Click here > to > "like" my FB page. Thanks! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > To: UB) Poetics List (UPenn ; NewPoetry List > > Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 9:31 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] Review of "Readings at the Pallet" by Anthony > Sullivan > > Below is review of the recent poetry festival READINGS FROM THE PALLET > in Banagher in Co. Offaly on the 23rd of August last. > > > *"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" * > ------------------------------ > - www.writingsinrhyme.com *:::* Add me on Facebook > * :::* My YouTube Videos > > * > * > > > --- On *Thu, 22/9/11, Tony Sullivan * wrote: > > > From: Tony Sullivan > Subject: Fw: the pallet piece! : ) > To: "tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com" > Date: Thursday, 22 September, 2011, 17:26 > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* Tony Sullivan > *To:* "boylandave at eircom.net" > *Sent:* Saturday, 17 September 2011, 19:59 > *Subject:* the pallet piece! : ) > > WHEN OLD FRIENDS MEET AGAIN...( EVEN FOR THE FIRST TIME! ) > > There comes a time in everyone's life when they finally reach a stage > where, no matter what happens, there's a few precious facts they're sure of, > and that remain a steadfast bulwark against the world as it revolves, at > times all too wildly. These may just be little things, but they bring no end > of comfort to life all the same. > > It could be settling down to enjoy your beverage of choice, letting it > breathe new life into your weary bones with each rejuvenating sip. And maybe > being able to let that beverage flow while perched snugly atop your favorite > stool in an establishment that feels not too unlike some kind of peaceful > cocoon probably might. The company there of a few well-known and trusted > faces too, can settle the heartbeat into a happy, steady rhythm. Little > things all, but little things that matter. > > Now, if you happen to be someone from in or around the town of Banagher, > or say, just out the road from there, among the green fields of Lusmagh ( > like myself, for instance! ), and if you've ever passed an hour or two, pen > in hand, trying to shape into poetic form some moment of time as glimpsed in > a flash by your mind's eye, or that echo perhaps, deep within your soul, > then there's a wonderful little open secret that you'll no doubt be well > aware of already. If not, then read on.... > > This secret comes to life for one night only each year, in Corrigan's > Corner House on Banagher's main thoroughfare. The secret itself is a > feeling, like those previously described above, but on this particular > night, one that's deepest felt by that curious breed of cultural renegade > who still find themselves drawn to the beauty of the written word, and to > it's expression, also. It's a night that you know you want to be at, to be a > part of, to experience. For any writer who participates, it has the aura of > a homecoming to it, even when it's your first time there. And it's a feeling > you can be sure will be present year after year, as it has been for the last > two decades. It is, of course, the ' Readings From The Pallet. ' > > The atmosphere for this year's Pallet was no less special, and the > expectation of the night's events made the journey from Tullamore one full > of anticipation, shared as it was with two fellow scribes; Banagher native > and winner of the Pallet in 2010, Tomas Carty, and making his debut > appearance upon the famous old stage, Tullamore man, Ken Hume. > > Although a somewhat smaller crowd was in attendance than would be the > norm for the Pallet ( a birthday and a wedding celebration on the same > evening being the reason why, I believe ), those present in the audience > were every bit as attentive and appreciative as has become standard for the > occasion. All who dared to stand beneath the spotlight's glow were afforded > the respect deserved by such exposure of the soul. Heartstrings were > delicately plucked, memories of yore were gently recalled from a maze of > yesterdays, ballads of frustration at the struggles faced by so many today, > and odes of longing for better tomorrows were all skillfully and > passionately delivered by this year's cast. > > There was the aforementioned Misters Carty and Hume; two men who were > there on the very night of the Pallet's birth many's a poem ago, Father > Brian Johnson and George Smith; the ever elegant Rosemary Potter; Mark > Ivory, an exiled son returning from distant shores; Mark Boylan, a young man > fast building a reputation for himself in Ireland and further afield as both > a singer-songwriter and turf-club tipster of some note ( pun intended! ); > yours truly, and last, but first yet again, the man crowned king for 2011 > and for a third time overall, Banagher's own Dave Boylan. > > A very special mention, however, must be reserved for two of the Pallet's > youngest ever performers; ?? Boylan and ?? Corrigan, both of whom, I think > all would agree, were the true and brightest stars of the night's > proceedings! > > And then, finally, as the spotlight dimmed and the marker was passed > around for the traditional and ceremonial signing of the Pallet itself, a > veil of contentment descended on all as congratulations were offered and > accepted, and last drinks were sadly finished, but with the satisfaction of > washing down another night to remember in Corrigan's Corner House. > > Truly, for all who have known the pleasure and the privilege of being > part of it, another of those little things that bring so much comfort and > meaning to life. Little things, but as I said in the beginning, little > things that matter. Especially in a world that sometimes seems to have > forgotten the glorious tranquility to be found in simply being still. In > listening. In sharing. In belonging. Pallet 2011, you served us well, of > that, there will come argument from none. May your successor see us all, and > more, return to your literary alter in good health and strong spirit as > summer's end draws near and we prepare to welcome the changing leaves of > autumn in 2012, when old friends will meet again, some even for the first > time! > > > END. > > Anthony Sullivan is a Lusmagh born poet and songwriter. He has two books > published, "Under Star and Under Sun" and "Pilgrim in the Heartland" > > His website is: > www.anthonysullivan.biz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Sep 24 18:32:35 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE4920D7DE299E-EA4-88350@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE4920D7DE299E-EA4-88350@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I thought it was an essay about the pathetic state of poetry criticism. But it was a compare/contrast review pitting Dickman v. Larson. The former lost, hands down, but it may have been a case of biased selection of material. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Glad someone cares enough to post this kind of shit. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: http://www.bookforum.com/index.php?pn=pubdates&id=8355 Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Adam Plunkett Pay attention to the poetry world, and you?ll notice a kind of false advertising: most of published criticism is positive even though so much of published poetry is bad. (This is probably why a lot of people don?t pay attention to the poetry world.) One reason for the dearth of critical comeuppances is that even bad poems are often hard to understand and harder to understand conclusively, so negative critics risk missing something and looking like fools. They _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 19:31:45 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:31:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE4920D7DE299E-EA4-88350@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Maybe not as shitty as I thought from the lede, but still--trying to parse out literal, prosaic "meanings" from poetry seems either beside the so-called point, or a fool's game. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM, wrote: > I thought it was an essay about the pathetic state of poetry criticism. > But it was a compare/contrast review pitting Dickman v. Larson. The former > lost, hands down, but it may have been a case of biased selection of > material. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 6:17 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry > > Glad someone cares enough to post this kind of shit. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > >> http://www.bookforum.com/index.php?pn=pubdates&id=8355 >> >> Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry >> Adam Plunkett >> >> Pay attention to the poetry world, and you?ll notice a kind of false >> advertising: most of published criticism is positive even though so much of >> published poetry is bad. 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URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 22:05:17 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] As 100000 Poets for Change draws to a close... Message-ID: <1316916317.62909.YahooMailClassic@web161613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> As 100000 Poets for Change draws to a close, I say a big YAY! to all who have taken part. A small idea, a little belief, a big effort and a massive success!!!! As part of the Tullamore contribution, we wrote a series of poems to suit the occasion, and the latest one I wrote is a haiku sequence (poem of multiple verses which are all haiku, non rhyming). 1:03 "Occupy!" The Wall Street Occupation 2011 - A silent movie poem. Before I sleep, Ill share a last video of mine based on the Wall Street occupations this week. Its a silent one, unlike my normal poetry videos, feel free to share!!! "Occupy" The Wall Street Occupation 2011 Wall Street was occupied multiple times by anti-capitalist and anti-globalization protestors in the past weeks. These protestors get minimum coverage in the mainstream media, so it is left to viral news videos on YouTube and Indymedia, Twitter and Facebook to get the message out there, that at the heart of the American financial system founded on Usury, there are people objecting, protesting and making their voices heard. They can ignore the people, but they cannot keep them silent. They can control where the people walk on the streets, but they cant keep the people off of the streets. I have had enough! Bankers gamble with money: we Pay with our lives... We will be heard loud Whose future is destroyed by them Whose gain is our loss Our tomorrow will Be better, for we all now Occupy today We occupy here Greedy capitalism's heart We squeeze out its life What's my job, you ask? Fight injustice, for justice That's all of our jobs! Poets for Change has been quite an event!!! As Michael Rothenberg would say... "YAY"! "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at starve.org Sun Sep 25 09:41:06 2011 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:41:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Reading, Sat., Oct. 1, Village Books Message-ID: <4E7F2F72.5070206@starve.org> Hi everyone-- I'll be reading from Historic Diary this Saturday, Oct. 1 (7pm), at Village Books (1200 11th St., Bellingham, WA). Please spread the word to friends in the Pacific Northwest. More info here: http://www.villagebooks.com/village-books-tony-trigilio-10/01/11 Best, Tony From msullivan at metrocast.net Sun Sep 25 15:34:25 2011 From: msullivan at metrocast.net (SULLIVAN) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:34:25 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fall Issue of The Tower Journal is out Message-ID: The Fall Issue of the Tower Journal is now live online. It features poets Martha Carlson-Bradley, Jeffrey Lilly and Turkish poets, among others. Enjoy the issue. http://www.towerjournal.com Mary Ann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was that the point? c On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:26 PM, wrote: > http://www.bookforum.com/index.php?pn=pubdates&id=8355 > > Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry > Adam Plunkett > > Pay attention to the poetry world, and you?ll notice a kind of false > advertising: most of published criticism is positive even though so much of > published poetry is bad. (This is probably why a lot of people don?t pay > attention to the poetry world.) One reason for the dearth of critical > comeuppances is that even bad poems are often hard to understand and harder > to understand conclusively, so negative critics risk missing something and > looking like fools. They > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Sep 26 06:12:07 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:12:07 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE4920D7DE299E-EA4-88350@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Visible critics praise bad poetry because they are incapable of exploring their field so treat only poetry their gatekeepers inform them of, and it?s all?not actually bad, but mediocre. Hence Plunkett discusses two poets doing poetry that?s too conventional to be other than mediocre, one of whom is one percent better (it would seem) than the other so for Plunkett ?bad.? (One thing visible critics get good at is telling various mediocre poets apart.) --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:32 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry I thought it was an essay about the pathetic state of poetry criticism. But it was a compare/contrast review pitting Dickman v. Larson. The former lost, hands down, but it may have been a case of biased selection of material. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Glad someone cares enough to post this kind of shit. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: http://www.bookforum.com/index.php?pn=pubdates&id=8355 Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Adam Plunkett Pay attention to the poetry world, and you?ll notice a kind of false advertising: most of published criticism is positive even though so much of published poetry is bad. (This is probably why a lot of people don?t pay attention to the poetry world.) One reason for the dearth of critical comeuppances is that even bad poems are often hard to understand and harder to understand conclusively, so negative critics risk missing something and looking like fools. They _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not something that makes me particularly interested in either poet. Was that the point? c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Sep 26 08:06:18 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 05:06:18 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE4920D7DE299E-EA4-88350@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <8CE4920FDC4ADF6-EA4-88379@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Visible critics praise bad poetry because they are incapable of exploring their field so treat only poetry their gatekeepers inform them of, and it?s all?not actually bad, but mediocre. Hence Plunkett discusses two poets doing poetry that?s too conventional to be other than mediocre, one of whom is one percent better (it would seem) than the other so for Plunkett ?bad.? 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Simply because of the solitary individualism of his work, the writer may happen to explore areas that no one has explored before, within himself or outside, and to make discoveries that sooner or later turn out to be vital areas of collective awareness. * ?Italo Calvino, *The Uses of Literature* http://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/03.11.09/openmic-0910.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david.weinstock at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 17:57:53 2011 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:57:53 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Astonishing pay-to-play poetry scheme Message-ID: I just got this from Tupelo Press, offering me a chance to add couplets to a million-line collaborative poem, for a price --$2 per two-line submission...and all submissions will be published, edited into the evolving poem. The scale is breathtaking, is it not? If this actually happens, he raises $500,000 for the press. I am married to a major-gifts fundraiser, so the idea of raising half a million dollars two bucks at a time is awe-inspiring. Take a look. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tupelo Press Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM Subject: Announcing the Million-Line Poem! To: david.weinstock at gmail.com Having trouble viewing this email? Click here [image: Tupelo Web Logo] *Announcing the Million-Line Poem,* * * *a celebration of the collective poetic process. Between now and next April, you are cordially invited to participate in this unprecedented creative opportunity, two lines at a time, while helping to support the exciting writing published by Tupelo Press.* * * *Please join us! Read the guidelines here .* [image: Find us on Facebook][image: Follow us on Twitter] Forward email This email was sent to david.weinstock at gmail.com by announce at tupelopress.org | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy . Tupelo Press | P.O. Box 1767 | North Adams | MA | 01247 -- David Weinstock david.weinstock at gmail.com 802-388-6939 802-989-4314 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Sep 26 21:46:56 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Astonishing pay-to-play poetry scheme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE4ACE79562CE2-1EA0-A66CE@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> I didn't have time to read the Tupelo e-blast when it came thru, but I agree it is a novel fundraising scheme. A bit more participative than the usual stroke us a check or let us run your credit card number. I wonder how many heroic couplets they'll get? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Weinstock To: Cafe-Blue ; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 5:58 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Astonishing pay-to-play poetry scheme I just got this from Tupelo Press, offering me a chance to add couplets to a million-line collaborative poem, for a price --$2 per two-line submission...and all submissions will be published, edited into the evolving poem. The scale is breathtaking, is it not? If this actually happens, he raises $500,000 for the press. I am married to a major-gifts fundraiser, so the idea of raising half a million dollars two bucks at a time is awe-inspiring. Take a look. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tupelo Press Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM Subject: Announcing the Million-Line Poem! To: david.weinstock at gmail.com Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Announcing the Million-Line Poem, a celebration of the collective poetic process. Between now and next April, you are cordially invited to participate in this unprecedented creative opportunity, two lines at a time, while helping to support the exciting writing published by Tupelo Press. Please join us! Read the guidelines here. Forward email This email was sent to david.weinstock at gmail.com by announce at tupelopress.org | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy. Tupelo Press | P.O. 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In 1963, the year he died, Williams' collection "Pictures From Brueghel" won the Pulitzer Prize for poetry. Now, nearly 50 years after his death comes this new honor, being part of a postage stamp memoriam to be released next March. The photograph of Williams used in the collection was taken in the 1940s. Other poets honored include Elizabeth Bishop, Wallace Stevens and Sylvia Plath. Thanks must go to photographer and historian William Neumann of Rutherford, a longtime Williams admirer, who nominated the poet for the stamp and gathered support from local legislators and literary groups. "He spoke to people directly through his poetry, and he was a tremendous letter writer, so I thought it was appropriate," Neumann told The Record. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For an interview with John Bradley, go to ... http://www.lowbrowpress.com/johnbradleyinterview.html _____________________________________ Here are some comments on the book ... "TRANCELUMINATION is unlike any other book I've encountered in American poetry. What a wild and crazy book. What a wonderful book! Trapped somewhere between poetry and the wisdom found in Chinese fortune cookies is the territory of the aphorism and John Bradley finds his way there again and again in these brilliant shards that shine like mica in a sidewalk. These are truly a delight to read, to savor, to return to. 'Ok, it's been fun, but now back to wordlessness,' John Bradley writes. But, please let's not rush back to wordlessness too soon!" --- Jim Moore, author of INVISIBLE STRINGS "Drop a penny into TRANCELUMINATION and receive a fortune scrawled by a teller whose clairvoyance is as clouded as it is terrifying and beautiful. Often drunk on language, these fortunes arrive in the form of aphorism, joke, horror, hallucination, and lie. The reader is warned: 'don't wear socks spun from human flesh' because in this world what feels impossible to bear is a heart-wrenching possibility. It is John Bradley's gigantic imagination that saves and destroys this world (and its fortunes) over and over again." --- Sabrina Orah Mark, author of TSIM TSUM "John Bradley's aphorisms are mundanely magnificent and nonchalantly sublime, like cracking open a fortune cookie to find not a saying but a symphony orchestra." --- James Geary, author of GEARY'S GUIDE TO THE WORLD'S GREAT APHORISTS _____________________________________ TRANCELUMINATION, by John Bradley ... http://www.lowbrowpress.com/ http://www.amazon.com/Trancelumination-John-Bradley/dp/0982955375/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316894338&sr=1-1 Matt Ryan ... editor at lowbrowpress.com Rachel Kuhnle ... rachel at lowbrowpress.com _____________________________________ From jforjames at aol.com Wed Sep 28 11:54:19 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Afaa Michael Weaver profile Message-ID: <8CE4C0E047E95F0-1BF8-137CCF@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> http://dundalk.patch.com/articles/acclaimed-poet-emerged-from-sparrows-point-steel-mill Acclaimed Poet Emerged From Sparrows Point Steel Mill The Baltimore poet known by some as the black Walt Whitman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most people when they hear the word ?poetry? think of being chained to a desk, memorizing ?Ode on a Grecian Urn.? When somebody says that they?re going to read me a poem, I can think of any number of things that I?d rather be doing. I don?t like the stigma that comes with being called a poet?so I call what I?m doing an improvisational adventure, or an inebriational travelogue, and all of a sudden it takes on a whole new form and meaning. If I?m tied down and have to call myself something, I prefer ?storyteller.?? Full story here-- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/09/inebreational-travelogue-tom -waits-on-being-called-a-poet/ -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 13:24:41 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:24:41 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Julia de Burgos & beyond the perf In-Reply-To: <8CE4C0715E7B2F0-1BF8-136CCA@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE4C0715E7B2F0-1BF8-136CCA@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you can't lick 'em, stick 'em. - Jim On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:04 AM, wrote: > I never saw this stamp from last September... > > http://tim-rich.suite101.com/usps-julia-de-burgos-commemorative-us-postage-stamps-a285561 > And 'beyond the perf', has more about the 20C poets release... > http://www.beyondtheperf.com/2012-preview/#stamp-twentieth-century-poets > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When somebody says that > they're going to read me a poem, I can think of any number of things > that I'd rather be doing. I don't like the stigma that comes with > being called a poet---so I call what I'm doing an improvisational > adventure, or an inebriational travelogue, and all of a sudden it > takes on a whole new form and meaning. If I'm tied down and have to > call myself something, I prefer 'storyteller.'" > > Full story here-- > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/09/inebreational-travelogue-tom-waits-on-being-called-a-poet/ > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > Interesting: you rarely hear a plumber who won't call himself a plumber, or > a doctor who won't call himself a doctor, or a baseball pro who won't call > himself a ballplayer. Now rapists, serial killers, molesters of children, > and poets fairly often deny their true avocation, or somehow rename it. Oh > Tom, come clean: don't you worry about getting those words right? > > Jerry (the light-artillery salesman) > > > On 9/28/2011 11:42 AM, David Graham wrote: > > ?Poetry is a very dangerous word,? says Waits, ?It?s very misused. Most > people when they hear the word ?poetry? think of being chained to a desk, > memorizing ?Ode on a Grecian Urn.? When somebody says that they?re going to > read me a poem, I can think of any number of things that I?d rather be > doing. I don?t like the stigma that comes with being called a poet?so I call > what I?m doing an improvisational adventure, or an inebriational travelogue, > and all of a sudden it takes on a whole new form and meaning. If I?m tied > down and have to call myself something, I prefer ?storyteller.?? > > Full story here-- > > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/09/inebreational-travelogue-tom-waits-on-being-called-a-poet/ > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 14:05:50 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:05:50 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: 2012 Subscription Sale! 40% Off! In-Reply-To: <1b92f44301-anny.ballardini=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> References: <1b92f44301-anny.ballardini=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> Message-ID: ** Click to view this email in a browser [image: SEPTmasthead 2] Aaron McCullough?s *No Grave Can Hold My Body Down* [image: 293360_10150303777193743_164458703742_8065139_65161825_n]The spectrum of American folk culture, ?this stuff colloquial with tongues in dust / by stuff of high prophecy,? informs this book. McCollough offsets elevated language with manic and unheard prayers, folksongs that answer the mandates of the Bible, and a travelogue that speaks in medieval lyrics. 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The repetitions-with-difference of Re- suggest that the seemingly contradictory notions of stability and change are reciprocal. Publishers Weeklysays, ?[ *Re-*] also warns, and encourages, us that some re-reading will be required if we are to rewrite our own domestic scripts, rather than emulating ?their most precious robot / he bought for them.?? Get a 20% discount now by clicking here . ------------------------------ Ahsahta?s Inaugural Chapbook Contest Winner! *Janaka Stucky* of Somerville, Massachusetts, whose manuscript *The World Will Deny It For You *was selected by Cathy Wagner, has won the first Ahsahta Press Chapbook Contest. He will receive the $1,000 prize in addition to the publication of his book by Ahsahta Press in Spring 201[image: Janaka]2. Honorable mentions went to Carmen Gimenez Smith for ?Be Recorder? and Colleen McCarthy for ?Lynx.? Janaka Stucky is the publisher of Black Ocean and its literary journal, * Handsome*. His poems have appeared in publications such as *Denver Quarterly, Fence, North American Review,* and *Volt*. He edited *Speak These Words: A Guerilla Poets Anthology* (WPC-Minimal Press 2001) and is the author of *Your Name Is the Only Freedom* (Brave Men Press 2009). In 2010, he was voted ?Boston?s Best Poet? in the *Boston Phoenix. * Find details about the chapbook winner, honorable mentions, and finalists here! ------------------------------ Two Ahsahta Press Authors Named 2011 PEN Literary Finalists for Poetry Both Julie Carr (100 Notes on Violence) and Brian Teare (Pleasure) were PEN 2011 Literary Award Finalists with their Ahsahta Press titles?meaning that Ahsahta titles made up half of the field! Craig Santos Perez won with his book from unincorporated territory: Saina, and Ange Mlinko was also a runner up for Shoulder Season. <#132b1361604107a1_> ------------------------------ News and Readings On October 9th, *Carrie Olivia Adams* will read and show a film at *Women Made Gallery * in Chicago at 2pm. *Susan Briante* is on *Poets.org* with a rad text-flow, in which: "the child unnamed / pink lemon pearly blue white.? *Julie Carr* is a PEN 2011 Literary Award finalist for her book *100 Notes on Violence*, which was also recently noted as one of the ?Ten Recent Books of Poetry You Should Read Right Now,? and is listed on the August 2011 SPD Best-Seller List . ** *Publishers ** Weekly * reviews *Lisa Fishman*?s *Flower Cart.* Fishman is listed #6 on the July 2011 SPD Best-Seller List and #2 on the June 2011 SPD Best-Seller List . ** *Kate Greenstreet*'s book *The Last 4 Things* was also noted as one of the ?Ten Recent Books of Poetry You Should Read Right Now.? Greenstreet was also featured in the August 2011 (Issue 8) volume of EVENING WILL COME for her video *Cloth *. An interview of Greenstreet by Kathleen Graber can be found on the Blackbirdwebsite. Kirsten Kaschock?s *A Beautiful Name for a Girl* is featured in *Third Factory/Notes to Poetry*: Attention Span 2011by Laura Carter. Kaschock will be reading from her new (fiction) book *Sleight* on September 29th, 7pm, at Prairie Lights Bookstore. A discussion of her new book will take place on September 28th with Adam Levin at 6:30pm at The Newberry Libraryin Chicago. A short-short titled ?The Editor? can be seen in the current *Drunken Boat *. New reviews of *Dick of the Dead* by *Rachel Loden* appear in *Poetry Flash * and *Rain Taxi *. Loden is reading with Rae Armantrout on October 6th, 7:30pm, at the Meridian Gallery. ** Also in the August 2011 (Issue 8) volume of EVENING WILL COME, *Kristi Maxwell* is featured for her poem ?In/An Addition: An Evolving Poetics.? 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Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 14:01:24 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:01:24 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: E.B. Mawr: Proverbs in Ten Languages, Contemporary Literature Press, Bucuresti 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. [image: Contemporary Literature Press] Comunicat de Pres? Bucure?ti, 1 octombrie 2011 Contemporary Literature Press, sub auspiciile *Universit??ii din Bucure?ti*, ?n colaborare cu *British Council* ?i *Institutul Cultural Rom?n*, Anun?? publicarea volumului Proverbe ?n zece limbi, de Mrs. E.B. Mawr, edi?ie facsimil, ?ngrijit? de *C. George Sandulescu* ?i *Lidia Vianu*. (ISBN 978-606-8366-10-4) Prin editarea ?n facsimil a volumului *Proverbs in Ten Languages* de Emma Mawr, publicat ini?ial ?n anul 1885, *Contemporary Literature Press*identific? ?nceputurile adev?rate ale cercet?rii ?tiin?ifice solide ale anglisticii rom?ne?ti, care se situeaz? ?n timp la mai pu?in de zece ani dup? realizarea independen?ei na?ionale de sub domina?ia turc?, prin Tratatul de Independen?? semnat la 21 mai 1877. Mrs. E.B. Mawr a fost so?ie de medic. Dr. Barker John Mawr, de la Londra, a fost invitat ?n 1858 ?n Rom?nia de c?tre guvernul rom?n; a func?ionat mult? vreme ca medic la Spitalul Br?ncovenesc ?i la azilul Doamna B?la?a. (Este men?ionat ?n *Dic?ionarul contimporanilor* de Dimitrie R. Rosetti.) Emma Mawr a devenit o apropiat? a reginei Carmen Sylva, celebr? nu numai ca scriitoare, dar ?i ca sor? de caritate, ?ntotdeauna ?n mijlocul r?ni?ilor de r?zboi. Autoarea a murit la Bucure?ti, la v?rsta de optzeci de ani. Prefa?a Emmei Mawr la aceast? carte men?ioneaz? ajutorul nepre?uit al unui ?foarte cunoscut Filolog ?i Lexicograf? rom?n. E de notat c? a doua limb? ?n care sunt redate proverbele este chiar limba rom?n?. Rigurozitatea cu care sunt notate proverbele ?n toate cele zece limbi este cu totul remarcabil?. Cartea aceasta este cu siguran?? rodul muncii de mul?i ani a unor autori din umbr?, cu vaste cuno?tin?e de lexicografie ?i folclor. Dup? p?rerea editorilor, cuv?ntul ?Filolog? ?n Prefa?a doamnei Mawr cuprinde o referin?? tacit? la Moses Gaster, expulzat de Ion Br?tianu chiar ?n 1885 ? anul public?rii *Proverbelor*. Stabilit ?n Anglia, el a fost imediat numit Profesor la Oxford. Lexicograful despre care vorbe?te autoarea ar fi Laz?r S?ineanu: dup? publicarea celebrului *Dic?ionar universal*, ap?rut ?n peste ?ase edi?ii ?ntre 1896 ?i 1930, el a p?r?sit Rom?nia ?n 1900, stabilindu-se ?n Fran?a. ?n c??iva ani a publicat la Paris cel mai bun studiu despre Fran?ois Rabelais, consultat foarte des p?n? ?n ziua de azi. F?r? s?-?i dea seama, poate, E.B. Mawr a g?ndit limbajul European ca pe un tot unitar. Ea afirm? c? a c?utat s? pun? al?turi ?n cartea ei ?exprimarea foarte apropiat? a g?ndirii ?n mai multe ??ri?. Cele zece limbi alese de autoare sunt: engleza (totdeauna prima), rom?na (totdeauna a doua), franceza, germana, italiana, spaniola, olandeza, daneza, portugheza ?i latina. Dac? citim aceste proverbe cu un ochi atent la migra?iile sunetelor ?n limbile europene, avem ?n acest foarte mic volum, a c?rui importan?? nu ?ine de num?rul paginilor, o epifanie a Turnului Babel. Adic?, ?n?elegem istoria modific?rilor fonetice, ortografice, lexicale la care altfel nu avem acces. ?n?elegem, poate, altfel ?i ideea de Pia?? Comun? European?. Celor care se sperie de alinierea at?t de impun?toare a zece limbi una dup? alta, le recomand?m s? ?nceap? citirea acestei c?r?i cu Indexul de la sf?r?it, care func?ioneaz? ca instrument didactic auxiliar pentru ?n?elegerea ?ntregii c?r?i. De remarcat faptul extraordinar c?, ?nc? din 1885, autoarea a v?zut clar evolu?ia lingvistic? a celor dou? secole urm?toare, secoul XX ?i secolul XXI, ?n care limba englez? devine foarte repede limb? mondial?. V? atragem aten?ia asupra faptului c? aceasta a fost cronologic prima carte multilingv? scris? la Bucure?ti ?N BAZ? ENGLEZ?. Cel care a scris o alt? carte ?n *Standard Average European* a fost James Joyce ?nsu?i, atunci c?nd a creat *Finnegans Wake*, lucrare scris? vreme de ?aptesprezece ani, ?ntre 1922 ?i 1939, unde nu e vorba doar de zece limbi europene, ci de patruzeci de limbi mondiale. Volumul *Proverbs in Ten Languages* de E.B. Mawr poate fi consultat ?i desc?rcat ?ncep?nd de la data de 1 octombrie 2011 la adresa de internet: http://editura.mttlc.ro/mawr-analogous-proverbs.html *Contemporary Literature Press* v? invit? s? accesa?i website-ul www.editura.mttlc.ro . Editura public? lucr?ri at?t ?n limba englez? c?t ?i ?n limba rom?n?. Pentru sugestii sau comentarii, v? rug?m adresa?i-v? Editurii, lidiavianu at yahoo.com. Contemporary Literature Press Translation Caf? Revista Masteratului pentru Traducerea Textului Literar Contemporan. Contact Vizita?i-ne pe Facebook Press Release Bucharest, 1 October 2011 Contemporary Literature Press, under The *University of Bucharest*, in permanent conjunction with *The British Council*, and *The Romanian Cultural Institute*, Announces the publication of *Proverbs in Ten Languages*, by *Mrs. E.B. Mawr*, edited in facsimile by *C. George Sandulescu* and *Lidia Vianu*. (ISBN 978-606-8366-10-4) *Contemporary Literature Press* issues in facsimile Mrs. E.B. Mawr?s *Proverbs in Ten Languages* (initially published in 1885), in an attempt to trace the beginnings of real, solid scientific research in the field of English Studies in Romania. It all started no later than eight years after the country had gained national independence from the Turks on 21 May 1877. Emma Mawr was the wife of Dr. Barker John Mawr, whom the Romanian Government had invited to come to Bucharest from London in 1858. He worked as a physician to the end of his life for the hospitals Br?ncovenesc and Doamna B?la?a. (Cf in Dimitrie R. Rosetti?s *Dictionary of Contemporary Personalities*). The Romanian Queen Carmen Sylva, famous not only as a writer, but also for her efforts to help those wounded on the battlefield, worked as a hospital nurse and knew the author fairly well. Mrs. Mawr died in Bucharest at the age of eighty. In her Preface to these *Proverbs*, Emma Mawr mentions the ?invaluable assistance? of a Romanian ?well-known Philologist and Lexicographer? in the making of the book. It is easy to notice that Romanian is the second language in the listing of proverbs. This listing in all ten languages is remarkably rigorous. The book seems to have behind it years of work on the part of scholars well conversant with lexicography and folklore, whose name the author avoids to reveal, for reasons we can only suspect. In consequence, the Editors have a strong impression that those who helped Emma Mawr may have been Moses Gaster and Laz?r S?ineanu. Moses Gaster was expelled from Romania by Ion Br?tianu in 1885, the very year the *Proverbs*were published. He subsequently settled in England, and became an Oxford Professor overnight. Eleven years after the publication of the *Proverbs*, Laz?r S?ineanu published his well-known *Dic?ionar Universal*, reissued six times between 1896 and 1930. He left Romania in 1900, and settled down in France. Before several years had elapsed, he had published there the best, most frequently used study of Fran?ois Rabelais to date. Possibly without being aware of it, E.B. Mawr treated the European languages she chose as if they were one single language. In her words, the proverbs published by her represented ?the same expression of thought in different countries?. The ten languages E.B. Mawr selected were: English (always first on the list), Romanian (always at the top, immediately afterwards), French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese, and Latin. When one reads this small book, the importance of which well exceeds its size, one cannot fail to be fascinated by the migration of sounds and meaning, quite suggestive of the Tower of Babel. These Proverbs in ten languages reveal changes in pronunciation, spelling and meaning that lead to a new understanding of the European Union. Readers, who feel shy in the presence of ten languages, might find it useful to begin by reading our final Index, which we have added as auxiliary teaching material, meant to facilitate the understanding of the whole book. It is remarkable that, as far back as 1885, the author almost predicted the linguistic evolution of the following two centuries, during which English has risen fast to the status of World Language. These *Proverbs in Ten Languages* are, chronologically speaking, the first multilingual book in BASE ENGLISH published in Bucharest. Another book that happens to be written in *Standard Average European* is *Finnegans Wake*; it took James Joyce seventeen years to write it, from 1922 to 1939. That book features not ten, but forty languages of the world. *Proverbs in Ten Languages* by E.B. Mawr is available for consultation and downloading as from 1 October 2011 on the following internet address: http://editura.mttlc.ro/mawr-analogous-proverbs.html You are kindly invited to visit the * Contemporary Literature Press* Website at http://editura.mttlc.ro/. For comments or suggestions, please contact the Publisher lidiavianu at yahoo.com. Contemporary Literature Press Translation Caf? eZine of Modern Texts in Translation Contact Us Visit our Facebook page Contact us at lidiavianu at yahoo.com | Visit our Facebook page Copyright ?2011 MTTLC All rights reserved. NOTE: You have received this message because you or a friend of yours added your email address to our mailing list. If you do not wish to receive any further communications, please let us know at the email address above. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Wed Sep 28 14:03:59 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] stipend for reading series In-Reply-To: <4E835B71.4080006@louisiana.edu> References: <4E835B71.4080006@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CE4C20219E25CE-1B84-D1865@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com> Greetings, I'd like advice. A friend of mine runs a writing center where they offer 50 writing classes each term: fiction, poetry, memoir, etc. Earlier this month he invited me out to give a series of poetry readings, lead a workshop and participate in a Book Fair. During the week I was there I sold $400 worth of books and was wined and dined. It was all-together a wonderful experience. After readings, I went out with the students and other faculty. Now, I have a "gig" teaching a workshop this summer at a university on the East Coast. There, they are paying me $350 and providing room and board for the conference. During my stint as visiting poet, I really enjoyed meeting other writers and experiencing a new city, and I was thinking I would like to do this at other indie writing centers. Now, my question is this: how much should or could I charge? Back home I often get an honorarium for poetry readings (ranging from $50-$200). And, since I have frequent flyer miles I am willing to use, I cannot imagine billing someone for travel (and I'm such a peon that no one would probably pay for it anyway). But I am a lively reader and an intuitive teacher, and I think I could make a difference as a visiting poet. Does anyone have a suggestions about what stipend seems reasonable or possible? Thanks, Mill Help me get to 600 by Halloween. Click here to "like" my FB page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Sep 28 14:13:37 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:13:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Waits, poet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I may try out "theoretical realist" sometime. . . . On 9/28/11 1:03 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > When traveling and meeting new uns, WH Auden called himself a civil engineer > if he felt like talking, a poet if he didn't. Good plan. > ?? ? > > Serving the tri-state area. > Hal ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 14:16:45 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:16:45 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Anthology 100TPC Message-ID: Dear NewPoets, this should be the final version of the Anthology, latecomers inserted and Obododimma Oha's Editorial. With our best wishes, Anny Together with Michael Rothenberg and a conspicuous number of poets around the world that have organized Poetry Readings on September 24, today, Obododimma Oha and I are announcing the *100Thousand Poets for Change Anthology*. It is our pleasure to introduce those poets who have joined the Poets? Corner with their work: *?* Red Slider *?* John B. Lee *?* Dennis Barone *?* Elizabeth Smither *?* Marc Olmsted *?* Edward Mycue *?* Martin Achatz *?* Beverly Matherne *?* Joanne Kyger *?* Susan Terris *?* Ro Mayer *? * Lynn Strongin *?* Mark Spitzer *?* Geoffrey Gatza *?* Grace Cavalieri *?* Paul E. Nelson *?* Richard Dillon *?* Paolo Dalponte *?* Jill Chan * ?* Christina Pacosz *?* Basil King *?* Barry Alpert *?* Randolph Healy *?* Andr? Spears *?* Mark Wallace *?* Charles Frederickson *?* Larissa Shmailo *?* Jason Braun *?* Jeff Harrison *?* Basil King's Ark *?* Michele Pierri *?* Hoshang Merchant *?* Kathy Figueroa *?* Christopher Barnes *?* Benjamin E. Nardolilli *?* Marton Koppany *?* Karen Margolis *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Jared Schickling *?* Mike J. Gallagher *?* Maria Damon *?* Devreaux Baker *?* Hammond Guthrie *?* A. D. Winans *?* Berty Skuber *?* Jane Nakagawa ???????? *?* Alejandro Thornton *?* Rayn Roberts *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Diana Magallon *?* Ed Coletti *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Amy Kohut * ?* Bina Sarkar Ellias *?* Taylor Graham *?* Carol Novack *?* Jon Corelis *?* Paul Vangelisti *?* Paul Lobo Portug?s *?* Walter Keyombe *?* Barine Saana Ngaage *?* Bonnie MacAllister *?* Lars Palm * ?* Rachel Blau DuPlessis *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Allegra Baggio *?* J?ZSEF B?R? *?* Michael Gregory *?* Joanne Arnott *?* Mari?ngel Gasca Posadas *?* Alejandra Ilhuitzi Tena Gasca *?* July Westhale *?* Janis Butler Holm *?* Geri Digiorno *?* Alan Sondheim *?* John Curl *?* Charles Martin *?* Marilyn Hazelton *?* Alexander N. Tan Jr. *?* Ellin Sarot *?* Lawrence Upton *?* Ada Jill Schneider *?* Marian Veverka *?* steve dalachinsky *?* Jerry McGuire *?* Rosemary Starace *?* Allen Bramhall *?* Peter Gordon *?* Pamela Grossman *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Hugh Mann *?* Millicent Borges Accardi *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth *?* Pam Bernard *?* Heather Thomas *?* Phibby Venable *?* Andrew Topel *?* NOAH's ARC, Reading, PA *?* Anna Lena Phillips *?* Marvin R. Hiemstra *?* Katie Manning *?* Nena Weinsteiger *?* Carol Dorf *?* Elizabeth Bodien *?* Marthe Reed and Jonathan Nutt *?* Christina Vega-Westhoff *?* Marian Frances Wolbers *?* Nancy Keane *?* Kit Kennedy *?* Vihang A. Naik *?* Sharon Doubiago *?* Deborah Poe *?* Hedwig Gorski *?* Ther?se Halscheid *?* Penelope Scambly Schott *?* Anny Ballardini *?* Paul Falardeau *?* Joel Weishaus *?* Ingrid Wendt *?* Mahnaz Badihiab *?* Elizabeth Oakes *?* Donna Pecore *?* Shepherd Bliss *?* Jane Olmsted *?* Maja Trochimczyk *?* Susan Collier Lamont *?* Jan Corbett Obododimma Oha?s Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3597 My Editorial: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3598 Our Call for work: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3596 The direct link to the Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=393 The direct link to the Poets? 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A friend of mine runs a writing center where they offer 50 > writing classes each term: fiction, poetry, memoir, etc. Earlier this month > he invited me out to give a series of poetry readings, lead a workshop and > participate in a Book Fair. During the week I was there I sold $400 worth > of books and was wined and dined. It was all-together a wonderful > experience. After readings, I went out with the students and other faculty. > > Now, I have a "gig" teaching a workshop this summer at a university on the > East Coast. There, they are paying me $350 and providing room and board for > the conference. > > During my stint as visiting poet, I really enjoyed meeting other writers > and experiencing a new city, and I was thinking I would like to do this at > other indie writing centers. > > Now, my question is this: how much should or could I charge? Back home I > often get an honorarium for poetry readings (ranging from $50-$200). And, > since I have frequent flyer miles I am willing to use, I cannot imagine > billing someone for travel (and I'm such a peon that no one would probably > pay for it anyway). But I am a lively reader and an intuitive teacher, and I > think I could make a difference as a visiting poet. > > Does anyone have a suggestions about what stipend seems reasonable or > possible? > > Thanks, > > Mill > > > Help me get to 600 by Halloween. Click here > to > "like" my FB page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Wed Sep 28 17:19:06 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:19:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Waits, poet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E838F4A.4060105@louisiana.edu> Interesting. Auden also said that to squelch conversations on trains he would say he was a medieval historian. Jerry On 9/28/2011 1:13 PM, David Graham wrote: > I may try out "theoretical realist" sometime. . . . > > > On 9/28/11 1:03 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > When traveling and meeting new uns, WH Auden called himself a > civil engineer if he felt like talking, a poet if he didn't. Good > plan. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > ** > Interesting. Auden also said that to squelch conversations on trains he > would say he was a medieval historian. > > Jerry > > On 9/28/2011 1:13 PM, David Graham wrote: > > I may try out "theoretical realist" sometime. . . . > > > On 9/28/11 1:03 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > When traveling and meeting new uns, WH Auden called himself a civil > engineer if he felt like talking, a poet if he didn't. Good plan. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lantry) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:28:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Spotlight - THIS Literary Magazine Message-ID: Hey, folks, An excellent interview. Eight poems. An artist's statement. Even a short photo-essay. Thanks to Bill Yarrow, Joani Reese, Nicholas Y.B. Wong, and Lacey N Dunham for asking great interview questions. What a joy! Life is good! http://www.thiszine.org/poetry/lantry-spotlight Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Sep 29 10:51:21 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:51:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Nature of Things Message-ID: Reviews of Stephen Greenblatt's book have got me thinking about Lucretius. I have the old Penguin prose translation, but I see that there is a newer one translated by A. E. Stallings. Has anyone here read that? 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Just trolling for opinions. -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 14:40:39 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] CFW - Esque: The Revolution Issue - call for submissions Message-ID: <1317321639.39344.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> OCTOBER 1-31 ESQUEMAG at GMAIL.COM REVOLUTIONIZE ESQUE! the only war is the war?against the imagination?-Diane di Prima ? ESQUE: a journal of poetry and manifesto?(http://www.esquemag.com)?is opening submissions for our third issue:?REVOLUTIONESQUE. From October 1 to October 31, please send your revolutionary poems, manifestos, and multimedia pieces to:esquemag at gmail.com. We won't define what we mean by "revolution," whether it starts in your home, in the financial district, or in the district of your heart: YOU define your revolution and tell US what it is. ? REVOLUTIONESQUE?will also feature a special section of poems & videos by Naropa University students. ? yours, ? Amy King and Ana Bozicevic Editors ? -- Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For me this poem is made a bit more poignant because Tom Andrews died several years ago far too young. His collected poems, Random Symmetries, is available from Oberlin University Press. Book Loaned to Tom Andrews Bobby C. Rogers ? I'd already found out that one of the secrets to happiness was never loan your books. But I loaned it anyway. We were all of us poor and living on ideas, stumbling home late to basement apartments, talking to ourselves. What did we own except books and debt? When the time came we could move it all in the trunk of a car. Tom knew what a book was worth?he brought it back a week later, seemingly unhandled, just a little looser in the spine, a trade paper edition of The Death of Artemio Cruz, required reading for a course in postmodernism we were suffering through. The book's trashed now, boxed up and buried in the garage with a hundred other things I can't throw away. When I moved back south I loaned it again to a girl I'd just met. At some party I'd said it was the best novel since Absalom, Absalom!, which may??have been true, but mostly I was trying to impress her, and convince myself, still testing all I'd been told about the matter of a book is best kept separate from, well, matter. Months later it turned up on my front steps without comment, the cover torn in two places, the dog-eared pages of self-conscious prose stuck together with dark, rich chocolate. It's easier to post a poem than to articulate it--and I'm aware that Rogers may be too narrative, too longwinded, too southern for some readers--but his constant discovery of the infinite in the everyday stuff of our lives, the sense that life has not yielded all its mysteries yet, the love for language that arises in his meditations on names in this poem--that's the stuff I read poems for. On a more mechanical level, I think years of teaching grammar has made me appreciate even more a well put together sentence, and Rogers writes those. I also like a long line if it's handled well, and he is able to write a long line that rarely sags into prose. I understand that thematically and technically little new ground is bring broken here, but I love watching his mind work over the same problems of life, death, art and living that we all encounter every day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 15:51:55 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? Message-ID: <1317325915.5359.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ** AND JUST WHAT IS IT?? MEDIA BLACKOUT?? YOU TELL ME. ** * Join the Poetry at WallStreet on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/PoetryOccupyWallStreet/165905056828487 * TO PARTICIPATE IN FRIDAY'S READING -? http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=202642983134258 * Poets Occupy Wall Street and Next Philadelphia - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/feliz-l-molina/poets-occupy-wall-street-_b_982430.html * "For Me, to write is no longer enough? - Poet on Occupy Wall Street - http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/09/for-me-to-write-is-no-longer-enough-ana-bozicevic-stops-in-at-rob-mclennans-12-or-20-blog/ * OccupyWallStreet - https://occupywallst.org/ * Sat., September 24th, 2011 - Footage on Wall Street - http://youtu.be/tLEIVMki0D8 * What Occupy Wall Street does Right - http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563#.ToSD2gtP0Ek.facebook *? Commentary on Mainstream Media Coverage - http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/28/protests *? Commentary on Mainstream Media Coverage - http://www.thenation.com/blog/163626/abysmal-occupy-wall-street-coverage-rubbernecking-new-york-times * MSNBC on NYPD Police Brutality during Occupy Wall Street Lawrence O'donnell with "The Last Word" - http://youtu.be/Zgr3DiqWYCI * Countdown with Keith ...: Michael Moore on support of Occupy Wall Street protest? -- http://youtu.be/KrFQs5X-I1Y * Occupy Philadelphia' joins 'Occupy Wall Street' effort - http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/comment/article/980233--occupy-philadelphia-joins-occupy-wall-street-effort * Susan Sarandon lends star power to Wall Street protests - http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0928/Susan-Sarandon-lends-star-power-to-Wall-Street-protests * The Revolution Begins at Home: Join the Wall Street Occupation - http://www.truth-out.org/revolution-begins-home-join-wall-street-occupation/1317230496 * ?Occupy Wall St.? joins postal workers in budget protest - http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/occupy-wall-st-joins-postal-workers-in-budget-protest/ * Occupying--Not Rioting--Wall Street - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracey-e-vitchers/occupyingnot-riotingwall-_b_980003.html * Occupy Wall Street Protest Escalates On Eighth Day (VIDEO) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/24/occupy-wall-street-protes_n_979367.html * NYC Transit Union Joins Occupy Wall Street? - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/nyc-transit-union-joins-o_n_987156.html?ir=Impact * Noam Chomsky on the Wall Street protests - http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/noam_chomsky_on_the_wall_street_protests/ * Dr. Cornel West Joins Occupy Wall Street, Will Lead Meeting Tonight - http://gothamist.com/2011/09/27/dr_cornel_west_joins_occupy_wall_st.php#photo-1 * Occupy Wall Street to Publish Newspaper to Control Their Message - http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/146711/occupy-wall-street-to-publish-newspaper-to-control-their-message/ * Esque: The Revolution Issue - call for submissions - https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/ana-bo%C5%BEi%C4%8Devi%C4%87/esque-the-revolution-issue-call-for-submissions/10150309590619332 SEND ME YOUR LINKS. PLEASE FORWARD - WIDELY.? ? "The only war is the war against the imagination..."? --Diane di Prima ~~~ ?Anyone with eyes open knows that the gangsterism of Wall Street ? financial institutions generally ? has caused severe damage to the people of the United States (and the world). And should also know that it has been doing so increasingly for over 30 years, as their power in the economy has radically increased, and with it their political power. That has set in motion a vicious cycle that has concentrated immense wealth, and with it political power, in a tiny sector of the population, a fraction of 1%, while the rest increasingly become what is sometimes called ?a precariat? ? seeking to survive in a precarious existence. They also carry out these ugly activities with almost complete impunity ? not only too big to fail, but also 'too big to jail.'??? --Noam Chomsky ~~~ "We are your every day Americans, who are against the corporate greed that has plagued this country, and the politics who allow this greed to occur. We include teachers, college students, labor members, unemployed workers, and the other 99 percent. We are standing in solidarity with friends in New York City, and across the country." --Occupy Philadelphia ~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:39 PM, amy king wrote: > Thanks for sharing some of Rogers' work, Al, and your reasons, well > articulated, for liking it. Not 'long-winded' at all! I had not heard of > him and appreciate the intro! > > Best, > > Amy > ------------------------------ > *From:* "almaginnes at aol.com" > > Here's another by Rogers. For me this poem is made a bit more poignant > because Tom Andrews died several years ago far too young. His collected > poems, Random Symmetries, is available from Oberlin University Press. > Book Loaned to Tom AndrewsBobby C. Rogers > > I'd already found out that one of the secrets to happiness was never loan > your > books. But I loaned it anyway. We were all of us poor and living > on ideas, stumbling home late to basement apartments, talking to > ourselves. > What did we own except books and debt? When the time came > we could move it all in the trunk of a car. Tom knew what a book was > worth?he > brought it back a week later, seemingly unhandled, just a little looser > in the spine, a trade paper edition of *The Death of Artemio Cruz*, > required reading > for a course in postmodernism we were suffering through. > The book's trashed now, boxed up and buried in the garage with a hundred > other > things I can't throw away. When I moved back south I loaned it again > to a girl I'd just met. At some party I'd said it was the best novel > since *Absalom, * > * Absalom!*, which may have been true, but mostly I was trying to impress > her, > and convince myself, still testing all I'd been told about the matter of > a book > is best kept separate from, well, matter. Months later it turned up > on my front steps without comment, the cover torn in two places, the > dog-eared > pages of self-conscious prose stuck together with dark, rich chocolate. > > > > It's easier to post a poem than to articulate it--and I'm aware that > Rogers may be too narrative, too longwinded, too southern for some > readers--but his constant discovery of the infinite in the everyday stuff of > our lives, the sense that life has not yielded all its mysteries yet, the > love for language that arises in his meditations on names in this > poem--that's the stuff I read poems for. On a more mechanical level, I think > years of teaching grammar has made me appreciate even more a well put > together sentence, and Rogers writes those. I also like a long line if it's > handled well, and he is able to write a long line that rarely sags into > prose. I understand that thematically and technically little new ground is > bring broken here, but I love watching his mind work over the same problems > of life, death, art and living that we all encounter every day. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Sep 29 17:17:06 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:17:06 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? In-Reply-To: <1317325915.5359.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1317325915.5359.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CF5078B7C3B4E79A9FB18618E4DD5C0@BobHP> Hey, I believe that anyone raking in more yearly than I do (approximately $7,000 a year) should be forced to give all he OR SHE!!! takes in yearly that is in excess of $10,000 to people like me. Should I get behind this Wall Street Occupation thing? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because poetry is the noisiest of the literary arts, best suited for oral transmission and aural appreciation, you might expect that the Read-Out would be full of poems. But we could find only four... Read more ?Howl? the Poem Heard Round the World The most famous banned poem of the 20th century, Allen Ginsberg?s extravagantly provocative ?Howl? celebrated its 50th anniversary a few years ago?but you still can?t listen to it on the radio. See More About: allen ginsberg howl beat generation ?Song of Myself? Walt Whitman?s Leaves of Grass was too openly sensual and sexual for 19th century America?it was formally banned in Boston and informally shunned in many other places. But now he is revered as the greatest and most influential of American poets. 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He wants it to be a place where folks brand-new to the art form can thrill to... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Sep 29 18:57:26 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <8CE484E928F5B46-2480-BD2B5@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com><1286089DF4174E0DA0D3F596A4FC2EE2@BobHP><8CE485AB952B3A9-ED0-25B01@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com><1316818797.77422.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CE485D841CEF39-ED0-25C5A@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com><8CE485E2DA92D6D-ED0-25CBC@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com><1317321571.36230.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE4D124AC02099-23A4-EB1F@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Fun...but a bit a Frank Collins Billy O'Hara mash-up, me thinks. Book Loaned to Tom Andrews Bobby C. Rogers I'd already found out that one of the secrets to happiness was never loan your books. But I loaned it anyway. We were all of us poor and living on ideas, stumbling home late to basement apartments, talking to ourselves. What did we own except books and debt? When the time came we could move it all in the trunk of a car. Tom knew what a book was worth?he brought it back a week later, seemingly unhandled, just a little looser in the spine, a trade paper edition of The Death of Artemio Cruz, required reading for a course in postmodernism we were suffering through. The book's trashed now, boxed up and buried in the garage with a hundred other things I can't throw away. When I moved back south I loaned it again to a girl I'd just met. At some party I'd said it was the best novel since Absalom, Absalom!, which may have been true, but mostly I was trying to impress her, and convince myself, still testing all I'd been told about the matter of a book is best kept separate from, well, matter. Months later it turned up on my front steps without comment, the cover torn in two places, the dog-eared pages of self-conscious prose stuck together with dark, rich chocolate. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry Nice guy, too. Spent time with him at VCCA a few years back. If it's the same Bobby Rogers, that is--the one who lives/lived in Jackson, Tennessee. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:39 PM, amy king wrote: Thanks for sharing some of Rogers' work, Al, and your reasons, well articulated, for liking it. Not 'long-winded' at all! I had not heard of him and appreciate the intro! Best, Amy From: "almaginnes at aol.com" Here's another by Rogers. For me this poem is made a bit more poignant because Tom Andrews died several years ago far too young. His collected poems, Random Symmetries, is available from Oberlin University Press. Book Loaned to Tom Andrews Bobby C. Rogers I'd already found out that one of the secrets to happiness was never loan your books. But I loaned it anyway. We were all of us poor and living on ideas, stumbling home late to basement apartments, talking to ourselves. What did we own except books and debt? When the time came we could move it all in the trunk of a car. Tom knew what a book was worth?he brought it back a week later, seemingly unhandled, just a little looser in the spine, a trade paper edition of The Death of Artemio Cruz, required reading for a course in postmodernism we were suffering through. The book's trashed now, boxed up and buried in the garage with a hundred other things I can't throw away. When I moved back south I loaned it again to a girl I'd just met. At some party I'd said it was the best novel since Absalom, Absalom!, which may have been true, but mostly I was trying to impress her, and convince myself, still testing all I'd been told about the matter of a book is best kept separate from, well, matter. Months later it turned up on my front steps without comment, the cover torn in two places, the dog-eared pages of self-conscious prose stuck together with dark, rich chocolate. It's easier to post a poem than to articulate it--and I'm aware that Rogers may be too narrative, too longwinded, too southern for some readers--but his constant discovery of the infinite in the everyday stuff of our lives, the sense that life has not yielded all its mysteries yet, the love for language that arises in his meditations on names in this poem--that's the stuff I read poems for. On a more mechanical level, I think years of teaching grammar has made me appreciate even more a well put together sentence, and Rogers writes those. I also like a long line if it's handled well, and he is able to write a long line that rarely sags into prose. I understand that thematically and technically little new ground is bring broken here, but I love watching his mind work over the same problems of life, death, art and living that we all encounter every day. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sender: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:20:08 To: NewPoetry List Reply-To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Critics Praise Bad Poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 22:11:31 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? In-Reply-To: <1317332831.39646.YahooMailNeo@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1317348691.42084.YahooMailClassic@web161613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob, you earn $7,000 or $70,000 a year? If the former, how do you live? People earn more than that in Poland. If the latter, happy days!!! :-D And yes, the Occupy Wall Street is for all of us!!! OCCUPY!!! Support poem from yours truly... get writing, get reading... get yours online on YouTube Now!!!! "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos ? ? --- On Thu, 29/9/11, amy king wrote: From: amy king Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 22:47 Yes, Bob, because the occupation is all about you! ?And what you believe! ?Get up here and assert your opinion. ? From: bob grumman Hey, I believe that anyone raking in more yearly than I do (approximately $7,000 a year) should be forced to give all he OR SHE!!! takes in yearly that is in excess of $10,000 to people like me.? Should I get behind this Wall Street Occupation thing? ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Sep 30 06:42:46 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:42:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? In-Reply-To: <1317348691.42084.YahooMailClassic@web161613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1317348691.42084.YahooMailClassic@web161613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From: Tom?s ? C?rthaigh Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OCCUPY WALL STREET - IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? Bob, you earn $7,000 or $70,000 a year? If the former, how do you live? People earn more than that in Poland. If the latter, happy days!!! :-D And yes, the Occupy Wall Street is for all of us!!! $7,000?that?s four digits. Down from peak of $10,000 my best year (and was putting half my pay into a bank account!). A little deceptive now because it doesn?t count Medicare, which I?m now old enough to get. Nor does it count my credit cards which give me an extra two thousand or so a year I?ll probably never be able to pay back. On the other hand, I own my house outright due to frugality over the years, and never owning a car. No wife and kids, either. Still, I?m deep in poverty according to the left-wingers, in spite of the public tennis court I play at for free a hundred yards or so from my house, when I?m not playing with a team at some private club. I can?t afford golf, but I don?t like the game. I?d love to have more money, but I get by. I?m no enemy of Wall Street?it has provided the wherewithal for our standard of living. 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I find it hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I'll try: Nowak's and York's poems are explicitly interested in their subject matter, in a way that much lyric poetry (that I've read) just isn't. Both poets seem to have something very specific to say about their subjects--for Nowak, it's the plight and struggle of miners; for York, it's the Civil Rights movement. At the same time, however, both poet's visions are distinctly lyric--a realized lyric "I" observing and recording and reacting. The result is not so much the poetry of witness; at least I don't think it is. Rather, there's some kind of odd synthesis between documentary and lyricism. The focus isn't merely on what the lyric "I" observes; the focus in the poems lies in *how *the lyric "I" is affected by what it sees. So, the poems seem simultaneously interested in both witness and lyricism . . . if that makes sense. I wonder if any of you NewPoetry folks can think of other poets who are writing similar poems. Or, if you'd just like to bandy around this idea for a while. Best Jeff Newberry -- Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 08:47:07 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:47:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) Message-ID: For those like me who loved Frank but did not know. As far as I understand, he suffered from cancer and declined therapy. Requiem aeternam. Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I don't find it too useful except as a sort of broad historical category, roughly distinguishing one strain of poetry from the narrative, epistolary, dramatic, and so forth. Poets from early in the 20th Century on have been particularly interested, seems to me, in further blurring these old categories, working in hybrid ways, and so forth. Williams's *Paterson* is certainly interested in fusing the personal with the historical/documentary, for example, and Muriel Rukeyser is another poet who was experimenting along these lines many decades ago. More recently I guess you'd have to take a look at Carolyn Forche, among others. Albert Goldbarth is sui generis, but certainly produces an intensely personal poetry that's loaded with all sorts of documented details from history, science, and so forth--he even cites his sources, often, right within the body of the poem. My old friend Mary Fell in her book *The Persistence of Memory* includes a sequence of poems about the famous fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, and I'd say it's certainly documentary. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I've been reading Mark Nowak's newer book, *Coal Mountain Elementary*, and I started thinking about how this book and his previous book, *Shut Up Shut Down*, remind me of documentary films. I immediately thought of the poet Jake Adam York, whose three books (*Murder Ballads*, *A Murmuration of Starlings*, and *Persons Unknown*) all have a kind of documentary feel, as well. > > I find it hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I'll try: Nowak's and York's poems are explicitly interested in their subject matter, in a way that much lyric poetry (that I've read) just isn't. Both poets seem to have something very specific to say about their subjects--for Nowak, it's the plight and struggle of miners; for York, it's the Civil Rights movement. At the same time, however, both poet's visions are distinctly lyric--a realized lyric "I" observing and recording and reacting. > > The result is not so much the poetry of witness; at least I don't think it is. Rather, there's some kind of odd synthesis between documentary and lyricism. The focus isn't merely on what the lyric "I" observes; the focus in the poems lies in how the lyric "I" is affected by what it sees. So, the poems seem simultaneously interested in both witness and lyricism . . . if that makes sense. > > I wonder if any of you NewPoetry folks can think of other poets who are writing similar poems. Or, if you'd just like to bandy around this idea for a while. > > Best > Jeff Newberry > > -- > Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 12:16:46 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:16:46 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) In-Reply-To: <13939175.1317394436448.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13939175.1317394436448.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Poor Frank. I remember he told me he had heart problems. But then I think he wanted to spare me the specifics. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > Frank was treated for cancer several years ago and went through the full > battery of chemotherapy. In the last couple of months he was diagnosed with > gout, which didn't respond to the usual treatments, so the doctors took > another look. The gout-like symptoms were caused by a recurrence of cancer, > in his kidneys, his spine and a few other places. Therapy might have added a > very bad month or two, but no more. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini ** > Sent: Sep 30, 2011 8:47 AM > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" ** > Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) > > For those like me who loved Frank but did not know. As far as I understand, > he suffered from cancer and declined therapy. > Requiem aeternam. > > Anny > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) Message-ID: <30526415.1317399877230.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 12:30:04 2011 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:30:04 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would put Marilyn Nelson's poems in this category; and in general the African American tradition of connecting history to characters (Rita Dove's "Thomas and Belulah," several of Gwendolyn Brooks' series.) On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, David Graham wrote: > "Lyric" is one of those terms that tends to blur and spread the harder I > look at it, and definitely means very different things to different poets. > I don't find it too useful except as a sort of broad historical category, > roughly distinguishing one strain of poetry from the narrative, epistolary, > dramatic, and so forth. > > Poets from early in the 20th Century on have been particularly interested, > seems to me, in further blurring these old categories, working in hybrid > ways, and so forth. Williams's *Paterson* is certainly interested in fusing > the personal with the historical/documentary, for example, and Muriel > Rukeyser is another poet who was experimenting along these lines many > decades ago. More recently I guess you'd have to take a look at Carolyn > Forche, among others. Albert Goldbarth is sui generis, but certainly > produces an intensely personal poetry that's loaded with all sorts of > documented details from history, science, and so forth--he even cites his > sources, often, right within the body of the poem. > > My old friend Mary Fell in her book *The Persistence of Memory* includes a > sequence of poems about the famous fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, > and I'd say it's certainly documentary. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > I've been reading Mark Nowak's newer book, *Coal Mountain Elementary*, and > I started thinking about how this book and his previous book, *Shut Up Shut > Down*, remind me of documentary films. I immediately thought of the poet > Jake Adam York, whose three books (*Murder Ballads*, *A Murmuration of > Starlings*, and *Persons Unknown*) all have a kind of documentary feel, as > well. > > I find it hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I'll try: > Nowak's and York's poems are explicitly interested in their subject matter, > in a way that much lyric poetry (that I've read) just isn't. Both poets seem > to have something very specific to say about their subjects--for Nowak, it's > the plight and struggle of miners; for York, it's the Civil Rights movement. > At the same time, however, both poet's visions are distinctly lyric--a > realized lyric "I" observing and recording and reacting. > > The result is not so much the poetry of witness; at least I don't think it > is. Rather, there's some kind of odd synthesis between documentary and > lyricism. The focus isn't merely on what the lyric "I" observes; the focus > in the poems lies in *how *the lyric "I" is affected by what it sees. So, > the poems seem simultaneously interested in both witness and lyricism . . . > if that makes sense. > > I wonder if any of you NewPoetry folks can think of other poets who are > writing similar poems. Or, if you'd just like to bandy around this idea for > a while. > > Best > Jeff Newberry > > -- > Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics > embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and > lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Fri Sep 30 12:34:07 2011 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:34:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E69BA4A-1CD6-4F0C-9CD8-F508E8021642@ripon.edu> Yes, and of course Robert Hayden's great historical poems, like "Runagate Runagate" and "Middle Passage." =================== David Graham Grahamd at ripon.edu Home page: http://web.me.com/drjazz ==================== On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:30 AM, "carol dorf" wrote: > I would put Marilyn Nelson's poems in this category; and in general the African American tradition of connecting history to characters (Rita Dove's "Thomas and Belulah," several of Gwendolyn Brooks' series.) > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, David Graham wrote: > "Lyric" is one of those terms that tends to blur and spread the harder I look at it, and definitely means very different things to different poets. I don't find it too useful except as a sort of broad historical category, roughly distinguishing one strain of poetry from the narrative, epistolary, dramatic, and so forth. > > Poets from early in the 20th Century on have been particularly interested, seems to me, in further blurring these old categories, working in hybrid ways, and so forth. Williams's *Paterson* is certainly interested in fusing the personal with the historical/documentary, for example, and Muriel Rukeyser is another poet who was experimenting along these lines many decades ago. More recently I guess you'd have to take a look at Carolyn Forche, among others. Albert Goldbarth is sui generis, but certainly produces an intensely personal poetry that's loaded with all sorts of documented details from history, science, and so forth--he even cites his sources, often, right within the body of the poem. > > My old friend Mary Fell in her book *The Persistence of Memory* includes a sequence of poems about the famous fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, and I'd say it's certainly documentary. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> I've been reading Mark Nowak's newer book, *Coal Mountain Elementary*, and I started thinking about how this book and his previous book, *Shut Up Shut Down*, remind me of documentary films. I immediately thought of the poet Jake Adam York, whose three books (*Murder Ballads*, *A Murmuration of Starlings*, and *Persons Unknown*) all have a kind of documentary feel, as well. >> >> I find it hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I'll try: Nowak's and York's poems are explicitly interested in their subject matter, in a way that much lyric poetry (that I've read) just isn't. Both poets seem to have something very specific to say about their subjects--for Nowak, it's the plight and struggle of miners; for York, it's the Civil Rights movement. At the same time, however, both poet's visions are distinctly lyric--a realized lyric "I" observing and recording and reacting. >> >> The result is not so much the poetry of witness; at least I don't think it is. Rather, there's some kind of odd synthesis between documentary and lyricism. The focus isn't merely on what the lyric "I" observes; the focus in the poems lies in how the lyric "I" is affected by what it sees. So, the poems seem simultaneously interested in both witness and lyricism . . . if that makes sense. >> >> I wonder if any of you NewPoetry folks can think of other poets who are writing similar poems. Or, if you'd just like to bandy around this idea for a while. >> >> Best >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Sep 30 12:37:29 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:37:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? Message-ID: <30054396.1317400650022.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu Fri Sep 30 12:26:48 2011 From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu (Wilsnack, Richard) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:26:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Possibly qualifying here: Davis McCombs' Ultima Thule, with its sequence of poems about the history and characteristics of Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, where McCombs was a park ranger. Richard W. Wilsnack richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:06 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? Williams's *Paterson* is certainly interested in fusing the personal with the historical/documentary, for example, and Muriel Rukeyser is another poet who was experimenting along these lines many decades ago. More recently I guess you'd have to take a look at Carolyn Forche, among others. Albert Goldbarth is sui generis, but certainly produces an intensely personal poetry that's loaded with all sorts of documented details from history, science, and so forth--he even cites his sources, often, right within the body of the poem. My old friend Mary Fell in her book *The Persistence of Memory* includes a sequence of poems about the famous fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, and I'd say it's certainly documentary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Fri Sep 30 12:47:20 2011 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:47:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucia Perillo's another marvelous poet & often in the Goldbarth vein of intensely personal poetry drawing on all sorts of knowledge beyond her back yard. Bookish but not stuffy. =================== David Graham Grahamd at ripon.edu Home page: http://web.me.com/drjazz ==================== On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:42 AM, "Wilsnack, Richard" wrote: > Possibly qualifying here: Davis McCombs' Ultima Thule, with its sequence of poems about the history and characteristics of Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, where McCombs was a park ranger. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 12:53:43 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:53:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, for those who *were* writing such things, Chas. Reznikoff is a good place to start. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I've been reading Mark Nowak's newer book, *Coal Mountain Elementary*, and > I started thinking about how this book and his previous book, *Shut Up Shut > Down*, remind me of documentary films. I immediately thought of the poet > Jake Adam York, whose three books (*Murder Ballads*, *A Murmuration of > Starlings*, and *Persons Unknown*) all have a kind of documentary feel, as > well. > > I find it hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I'll try: > Nowak's and York's poems are explicitly interested in their subject matter, > in a way that much lyric poetry (that I've read) just isn't. Both poets seem > to have something very specific to say about their subjects--for Nowak, it's > the plight and struggle of miners; for York, it's the Civil Rights movement. > At the same time, however, both poet's visions are distinctly lyric--a > realized lyric "I" observing and recording and reacting. > > The result is not so much the poetry of witness; at least I don't think it > is. Rather, there's some kind of odd synthesis between documentary and > lyricism. The focus isn't merely on what the lyric "I" observes; the focus > in the poems lies in *how *the lyric "I" is affected by what it sees. So, > the poems seem simultaneously interested in both witness and lyricism . . . > if that makes sense. > > I wonder if any of you NewPoetry folks can think of other poets who are > writing similar poems. Or, if you'd just like to bandy around this idea for > a while. > > Best > Jeff Newberry > > -- > Poetry is an act of non-mathematical creation that adheres to metrics > embodied in language?s natural music. It isn?t a gush, but a felt and > lived syncopation. ?Yusef Komunyakaa > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She is partial to poems that make her think but > appreciates many kinds of poetry and looks forward to your submissions. > > Kindly send submissions to her at kcherry at wisc.edu. > > For a look at *Truck*, which features a different editor each month, > click > here: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ > > Many thanks, > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ;**Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- David Weinstock Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com Phone: 802-388-6939 Cell: 802-989-4314 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, David Weinstock wrote: > Hal, what do you mean by out of copyright? > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Kelly Cherry will be editing *Truck* for October. Please do send her >> poems--either out of copyright, or by yourself and with permission to post >> without copyright. She is partial to poems that make her think but >> appreciates many kinds of poetry and looks forward to your submissions. >> >> Kindly send submissions to her at kcherry at wisc.edu. >> >> For a look at *Truck*, which features a different editor each month, >> click >> here: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ;**Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > David Weinstock > > Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com > Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com > Phone: 802-388-6939 > Cell: 802-989-4314 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > No longer copyrighted. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, David Weinstock < > david.weinstock at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hal, what do you mean by out of copyright? >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> Kelly Cherry will be editing *Truck* for October. Please do send her >>> poems--either out of copyright, or by yourself and with permission to post >>> without copyright. She is partial to poems that make her think but >>> appreciates many kinds of poetry and looks forward to your submissions. >>> >>> Kindly send submissions to her at kcherry at wisc.edu. >>> >>> For a look at *Truck*, which features a different editor each month, >>> click >>> here: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen >>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black >>> , *Obras P?blicas >>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ;**Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ;* >>> *Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> David Weinstock >> >> Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com >> Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com >> Phone: 802-388-6939 >> Cell: 802-989-4314 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- David Weinstock Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com Phone: 802-388-6939 Cell: 802-989-4314 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 13:24:10 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:24:10 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions for October at Truck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :-) On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:13 PM, David Weinstock wrote: > Copyright is life of author plus 75 years, so I don't have any like that. > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> No longer copyrighted. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, David Weinstock < >> david.weinstock at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hal, what do you mean by out of copyright? >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Kelly Cherry will be editing *Truck* for October. Please do send her >>>> poems--either out of copyright, or by yourself and with permission to post >>>> without copyright. She is partial to poems that make her think but >>>> appreciates many kinds of poetry and looks forward to your submissions. >>>> >>>> Kindly send submissions to her at kcherry at wisc.edu. >>>> >>>> For a look at *Truck*, which features a different editor each month, >>>> click >>>> here: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> >>>> Serving the tri-state area. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> >>>> halvard at gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >>>> >>>> Remains To Be Seen >>>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>>> *, *Mainly Black >>>> , *Obras P?blicas >>>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>>> Journey ;**Eclipse >>>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>>> ;* >>>> *Transparencies & Projections >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Weinstock >>> >>> Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com >>> Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com >>> Phone: 802-388-6939 >>> Cell: 802-989-4314 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > David Weinstock > > Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com > Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com > Phone: 802-388-6939 > Cell: 802-989-4314 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu Fri Sep 30 12:26:48 2011 From: richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu (Wilsnack, Richard) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:26:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Possibly qualifying here: Davis McCombs' Ultima Thule, with its sequence of poems about the history and characteristics of Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, where McCombs was a park ranger. Richard W. Wilsnack richard.wilsnack at med.und.edu From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:06 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Documentary Lyric? Williams's *Paterson* is certainly interested in fusing the personal with the historical/documentary, for example, and Muriel Rukeyser is another poet who was experimenting along these lines many decades ago. More recently I guess you'd have to take a look at Carolyn Forche, among others. Albert Goldbarth is sui generis, but certainly produces an intensely personal poetry that's loaded with all sorts of documented details from history, science, and so forth--he even cites his sources, often, right within the body of the poem. My old friend Mary Fell in her book *The Persistence of Memory* includes a sequence of poems about the famous fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, and I'd say it's certainly documentary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 13:48:01 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:48:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) In-Reply-To: <30526415.1317399877230.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30526415.1317399877230.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear Mark, tell us, if you wish, of that long trip you had with Frank. I saw a couple of pics, cannot remember where, probably on Facebook. Thanks, Anny On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > His heart problems began almost as soon as he moved to Tucson. I forget > what the solution was, but they managed to fix it--he and I went on a long > hike up a steep slope about a year later. I think we were lucky to have him > as long as we did. > > Frank had apparently lived hard and self-destructively in the past. > Probably the only person I know who'd have the details is David Gitin. I > don't think he's on this list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini ** > Sent: Sep 30, 2011 12:16 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) > > > Poor Frank. I remember he told me he had heart problems. But then I think > he wanted to spare me the specifics. > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > >> Frank was treated for cancer several years ago and went through the full >> battery of chemotherapy. In the last couple of months he was diagnosed with >> gout, which didn't respond to the usual treatments, so the doctors took >> another look. The gout-like symptoms were caused by a recurrence of cancer, >> in his kidneys, his spine and a few other places. Therapy might have added a >> very bad month or two, but no more. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini ** >> Sent: Sep 30, 2011 8:47 AM >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" ** >> Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Frank Parker (Oct. 28 1949-Sept. 27, 2011) >> >> For those like me who loved Frank but did not know. As far as I >> understand, he suffered from cancer and declined therapy. >> Requiem aeternam. >> >> Anny >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 13:50:02 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:50:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions for October at Truck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Those were Kelly's words, David. I think she just meant work that wouldn't get us into copyright problems. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM, David Weinstock wrote: > Copyright is life of author plus 75 years, so I don't have any like that. > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> No longer copyrighted. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, David Weinstock < >> david.weinstock at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hal, what do you mean by out of copyright? >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Kelly Cherry will be editing *Truck* for October. Please do send her >>>> poems--either out of copyright, or by yourself and with permission to post >>>> without copyright. She is partial to poems that make her think but >>>> appreciates many kinds of poetry and looks forward to your submissions. >>>> >>>> Kindly send submissions to her at kcherry at wisc.edu. >>>> >>>> For a look at *Truck*, which features a different editor each month, >>>> click >>>> here: http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> >>>> Serving the tri-state area. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> >>>> halvard at gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >>>> >>>> Remains To Be Seen >>>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>>> *, *Mainly Black >>>> , *Obras P?blicas >>>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>>> Journey ;**Eclipse >>>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>>> ;* >>>> *Transparencies & Projections >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Weinstock >>> >>> Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com >>> Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com >>> Phone: 802-388-6939 >>> Cell: 802-989-4314 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > David Weinstock > > Email: david.weinstock at gmail.com > Blog: www.waitingforhungry.blogspot.com > Phone: 802-388-6939 > Cell: 802-989-4314 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I imagine he said a lot of things and had a lot of guises. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> ** >> Interesting. Auden also said that to squelch conversations on trains he >> would say he was a medieval historian. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 9/28/2011 1:13 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >> I may try out "theoretical realist" sometime. . . . >> >> >> On 9/28/11 1:03 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: >> >> When traveling and meeting new uns, WH Auden called himself a civil >> engineer if he felt like talking, a poet if he didn't. Good plan. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> ________________________________________________________ >> >> Jerry McGuire >> English Department Box 44691 >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70504-4691337-482-5478 >> Creative Writing Website:http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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