From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 00:15:29 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: <1322713469.39335.YahooMailClassic@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322716529.88991.YahooMailClassic@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... which is sort of how the Berryman alter/ego,? what some thought of as his minstrel side kick described life in one of the Sonnets ... Wilbur is certainly a superior poet, but the kind of music I want verges on the atonal ... read Rilke and listen to Schoenberg ... Ecstasy ... --- On Wed, 11/30/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 11:24 PM I didn't expect all of that ... what exactly did I expect? ... guilty as charged as far as Frost is concerned. In fact, Shelia caught me on that one. & I also had a passive aggressive way of describing Wilbur ... he's a good, if not, an excellent technician ... why couldn't I have said ... but I said what I said ... Wilsberhia (?), that suburb has been dominated by Wilbur for how many decades??? ... so what is a good definition of a middle of the r .o.a.d? ... Simic had an excellent articule from the NYT. He brilliantly points out Wilbur's strengths and the shortcomings ... wish I could remember what he said, but ... leaving Wilbur aside and aggressively moving toward the kind of writing I love, and a poet superior to Wilbur, let's leave the States and talk Rilke ... & I've only read Stephen Mitchell's trans ... there you have it, Bob. Wilbur bores me. Rilke enchants. I'm bored with the English language. If I could borrow a couple of languages from Anny, life would rock. --- On Wed, 11/30/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 4:29 PM Re: Anthologies ... boy, I hope passive/aggressive childessness ... esss ... isn't hardwired. It is, my boy, although I don?t use the silly term, ?passive/aggressive,? myself.? And I?m pleased to see a member of a younger generation easing into the position I?ve held by my lonely self for so long here at New-Poetry.? When I saw your first post, I was going to ask David how he liked having another participant prone to making dopey off-hand comments.? ? I?ll take you off the hook.? I don?t know Wilbur well enough to rate him as a formal verse technician, although I know his work well enough to feel sure he?s a good one.? I don?t see how anyone could be a better formal verse technician than Frost.? As for his having ?a middle-of-the-road mentality,??I?d need a definition of the term.? When it comes to size of the human existence he covered, even without ?the serious poems,? I?d say his mental road was about as broad as anyone?s could be.? Now to take you off the hook.? To rate him as a technician, I think you again have to define a term.? Who is a better technician: someone like Cummings who uses old techniques quite well but also invents a substantial number of new ones?that he often uses? brilliantly?or a Wilbur or Frost who never does anything technically new, unless you count adding or subtracting a beat in an iambic pentameter where no one else ever did as technically new? ? In the drama, the case with Simon is similar: he boxed his plays with grace and efficiency, but he was no technician, as far as I can see.? I would lay he had a much narrower mentality than Frost, too.? Pretty limited in subject matter and point of view.? Frost beats him as a diction-engineer, too, although Simon has his way with words.? I?m not sure where I?d put effectiveness with diction in this discussion.? A technique?? Something else? ? --Bob? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 00:16:51 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:16:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: <1322716529.88991.YahooMailClassic@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322716611.72413.YahooMailClassic@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... moreover ... those iambic beats in Frost ... bump/bump/bump ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:15 AM ... which is sort of how the Berryman alter/ego,? what some thought of as his minstrel side kick described life in one of the Sonnets ... Wilbur is certainly a superior poet, but the kind of music I want verges on the atonal ... read Rilke and listen to Schoenberg ... Ecstasy ... --- On Wed, 11/30/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 11:24 PM I didn't expect all of that ... what exactly did I expect? ... guilty as charged as far as Frost is concerned. In fact, Shelia caught me on that one. & I also had a passive aggressive way of describing Wilbur ... he's a good, if not, an excellent technician ... why couldn't I have said ... but I said what I said ... Wilsberhia (?), that suburb has been dominated by Wilbur for how many decades??? ... so what is a good definition of a middle of the r .o.a.d? ... Simic had an excellent articule from the NYT. He brilliantly points out Wilbur's strengths and the shortcomings ... wish I could remember what he said, but ... leaving Wilbur aside and aggressively moving toward the kind of writing I love, and a poet superior to Wilbur, let's leave the States and talk Rilke ... & I've only read Stephen Mitchell's trans ... there you have it, Bob. Wilbur bores me. Rilke enchants. I'm bored with the English language. If I could borrow a couple of languages from Anny, life would rock. --- On Wed, 11/30/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 4:29 PM Re: Anthologies ... boy, I hope passive/aggressive childessness ... esss ... isn't hardwired. It is, my boy, although I don?t use the silly term, ?passive/aggressive,? myself.? And I?m pleased to see a member of a younger generation easing into the position I?ve held by my lonely self for so long here at New-Poetry.? When I saw your first post, I was going to ask David how he liked having another participant prone to making dopey off-hand comments.? ? I?ll take you off the hook.? I don?t know Wilbur well enough to rate him as a formal verse technician, although I know his work well enough to feel sure he?s a good one.? I don?t see how anyone could be a better formal verse technician than Frost.? As for his having ?a middle-of-the-road mentality,??I?d need a definition of the term.? When it comes to size of the human existence he covered, even without ?the serious poems,? I?d say his mental road was about as broad as anyone?s could be.? Now to take you off the hook.? To rate him as a technician, I think you again have to define a term.? Who is a better technician: someone like Cummings who uses old techniques quite well but also invents a substantial number of new ones?that he often uses? brilliantly?or a Wilbur or Frost who never does anything technically new, unless you count adding or subtracting a beat in an iambic pentameter where no one else ever did as technically new? ? In the drama, the case with Simon is similar: he boxed his plays with grace and efficiency, but he was no technician, as far as I can see.? I would lay he had a much narrower mentality than Frost, too.? Pretty limited in subject matter and point of view.? Frost beats him as a diction-engineer, too, although Simon has his way with words.? I?m not sure where I?d put effectiveness with diction in this discussion.? A technique?? 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For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his work that infested my high school education was in reading Randall Jarrell?s two famous essays on his work. Highly recommended. >From there I discovered a lot of good scholarship, the best of which may be Richard Poirier?s book, Frost: the Work of Knowing, which makes the case for Frost?s philosophical depth and deftness of mind. Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of seeing sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? But dive into the collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope for you. ?Stopping By Woods? is ten times better than the Serious Works the minor poet/critic Jarrell made famous?in spite of its allusions to death. To repeat my view of David?s repeated view. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We tried to represent almost every school (except visual poetry) written by poets born since 1920 (well, Swenson, whom Bob is tepid about). ? I think she?s good, just that her visual poetry, and Hollander?s, are unadventurous?so I?m tepid about the adventurousness of her visual poetry, not about her poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But things have changed. Just as the city, with economy, industry, culture, and all of its various erstwhile insularity propelled into a matrix of exchange, is no longer tethered to geography, so the prose poem of observation and allegory is no longer its form par excellence. Donna Stonecipher?s new collection, selected by John Yau as a recent winner of the National Poetry Series, comes as something of a corrective. She replaces the sauntering fl?neur, content to peer in from the wings, with the cosmopolitan, one who takes to the stage, orchestrating interaction and reportage: ??Ideally, I?d like to look like a Spaniard, fuck like a Serb, and make money hand over fist like an American,? said the cosmopolitan sitting in Hong Kong drinking a caipirinha.?? Among the international cast of pronouns and personages populating these prose poems, one finds a theoretical architect, a Russian exile harboring ?an indeterminate accent when speaking English, and an English accent when speaking indeterminately,? Austrian Anglophiles, hungover tourists, and any number of locals and foreigners, all of whom exchange nomenclature as quickly as the poems shift from city to city. Stonecipher, who has lived in Tehran, Paris, New York, and Prague, and now divides her time between Berlin and Athens, Georgia, brilliantly investigates the implicates of name and place: ?The American man who was living in Tanzania was an expatriate, but the Tanzanian man who was living in North America was an immigrant.? While everything here is rife with a metropolitan largess, from memorials to shopping malls and museums, airports to alleyways, there is always the presence of the simulacra we use to take the unfathomable down a few notches: viewfinders, snow globes, and architectural miniatures. This mastery of scale allows the poems to stand in complete reverence before famous works of art and still ask what empire and imperialism might have to do with our understanding of beauty.? Each of the book?s near two dozen poems carries the title ?Inlay,? followed by the parenthetical inclusion of the author?s name, who, at some point within the poem?s sequence, lends a free-floating quotation. Stonecipher notes this as her attempt to manufacture a kind of inlaid furniture which might account for what she calls her ?generation?s relationship to quotation and collage.? Although Thomas Mann, Zaha Hadid, Kafka, Sontag, Emerson, Benjamin, Elaine Scarry, and a dozen others haunt the periphery of these poems, their presence is a mere inexplicably opened door or the distant rattling of a few phantasmagorical chains. Far more enchanting is Stonecipher?s method of playing snippets of narrative against pulpy aphorisms, stirring the cityscapes and citizens of each poem into a constant, surprising flux. ?Search the web: enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cambell McGrath, poetry. T. C. Boyle, fiction. Drama, (me). Search the web: enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Dec 1 11:49:42 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:49:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century Message-ID: <8004.3f2ed127.3c090a26@cs.com> In a message dated 12/1/2011 10:24:33 AM Central Standard Time, poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com writes: > > Swenson has a visual poem about viewing the moon from the point of view of > an astronaout. It's great. She's among my favorites. She has the sort of > boldness (vision/technique) that Wilbur lacks, that Simic spoke of in his > NYT essay. > Wilbur, incidentally, is a great admirer of Swenson and has written about her. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv1979021741 body, #yiv1979021741 td, #yiv1979021741 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input:hover, #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input:focus, #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input.yiv1979021741searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform input.yiv1979021741searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform div.yiv1979021741poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform div.yiv1979021741poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv1979021741 #yiv1979021741searchform div.yiv1979021741poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... Cambell McGrath, poetry. T. C. Boyle, fiction. Drama, (me). Search the web: enhanced by -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Dec 1 12:11:09 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:11:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE7E635ADA04E8-94C-1B7E9@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> I see you got some Ginsberg and some Plath. When putting the pieces together, you didn't face the same permissions troubles that Dove apparently faced? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Rsgwynn1 To: new-poetry Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century You can access my and April's table of contents here. We tried to represent almost every school (except visual poetry) written by poets born since 1920 (well, Swenson, whom Bob is tepid about). After all these years, we still haven't cleared our permissions costs and have received no royalties from the book. I thought it was a fair (all things being relative) toc, but obviously you have to make some compromises, pay some old debts, etc. We did include an appendix about contemporary "schools" of poetry, in some cases pointing readers towards poets we weren't able to include. Frankly, I wanted to call it Contemporary American Poems, with the focus on individual poems we liked and thought teachable, but that idea was nixed by the publisher. http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Contemporary-American-Poetry-Penguin-Academics-Series/9780321182821.page _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Thu Dec 1 12:26:32 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:26:32 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Prose Poem In-Reply-To: <1322748670.50312.YahooMailClassic@web161914.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1322748670.50312.YahooMailClassic@web161914.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ha! Ha! Very clever. What we have here is a literary artifact tricked out to look like a book review. You can't fool me. I've been around the block a few timesin this middenheap of a world. I have seen what at times some men and a growing number of ambitious women thought they had seen! Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:11:10 -0800 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Prose Poem The Cosmopolitan by Noah Eli Gordon The Cosmopolitan by Donna Stonecipher Coffee House Press 2008 isbn: 978-56689-221-6 $16.00 us One hundred and fifty years ago, the Baudelairean fl?neur?s sidewalk botany birthed the prose poem?s first foray into capturing urban life. But things have changed. Just as the city, with economy, industry, culture, and all of its various erstwhile insularity propelled into a matrix of exchange, is no longer tethered to geography, so the prose poem of observation and allegory is no longer its form par excellence. Donna Stonecipher?s new collection, selected by John Yau as a recent winner of the National Poetry Series, comes as something of a corrective. She replaces the sauntering fl?neur, content to peer in from the wings, with the cosmopolitan, one who takes to the stage, orchestrating interaction and reportage: ??Ideally, I?d like to look like a Spaniard, fuck like a Serb, and make money hand over fist like an American,? said the cosmopolitan sitting in Hong Kong drinking a caipirinha.? Among the international cast of pronouns and personages populating these prose poems, one finds a theoretical architect, a Russian exile harboring ?an indeterminate accent when speaking English, and an English accent when speaking indeterminately,? Austrian Anglophiles, hungover tourists, and any number of locals and foreigners, all of whom exchange nomenclature as quickly as the poems shift from city to city. Stonecipher, who has lived in Tehran, Paris, New York, and Prague, and now divides her time between Berlin and Athens, Georgia, brilliantly investigates the implicates of name and place: ?The American man who was living in Tanzania was an expatriate, but the Tanzanian man who was living in North America was an immigrant.? While everything here is rife with a metropolitan largess, from memorials to shopping malls and museums, airports to alleyways, there is always the presence of the simulacra we use to take the unfathomable down a few notches: viewfinders, snow globes, and architectural miniatures. This mastery of scale allows the poems to stand in complete reverence before famous works of art and still ask what empire and imperialism might have to do with our understanding of beauty. Each of the book?s near two dozen poems carries the title ?Inlay,? followed by the parenthetical inclusion of the author?s name, who, at some point within the poem?s sequence, lends a free-floating quotation. Stonecipher notes this as her attempt to manufacture a kind of inlaid furniture which might account for what she calls her ?generation?s relationship to quotation and collage.? Although Thomas Mann, Zaha Hadid, Kafka, Sontag, Emerson, Benjamin, Elaine Scarry, and a dozen others haunt the periphery of these poems, their presence is a mere inexplicably opened door or the distant rattling of a few phantasmagorical chains. Far more enchanting is Stonecipher?s method of playing snippets of narrative against pulpy aphorisms, stirring the cityscapes and citizens of each poem into a constant, surprising flux. Search the web: enhanced by _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Dec 1 12:33:35 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:33:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gwynn & Lindner's Contemporary Am Po (Longman 2005) In-Reply-To: <8CE7E635ADA04E8-94C-1B7E9@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE7E635ADA04E8-94C-1B7E9@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE7E667C9578C0-94C-1BDAD@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> If I didn't accidentally cut anything, this would the full list of name from the Longman anthology TOC. (Helen Vendler will have to alerted to the fact that you have 132 names here; so by rights had the two of you gathered from the entire 20C you would have easily hit 200 poets.) The description defines "Contemporary" as poets born after 1920... Howard Nemerov (b. March 1, 1920, d. July 5, 1991). Amy Clampitt (b. June 15, 1920, d. September 10, 1994). Hayden Carruth (b. August 3, 1921). Richard Wilbur (b. March 1, 1921). Mona Van Duyn (b. May 9, 1921). Frederick Morgan (b. April 25, 1922). James Dickey (b. February 2, 1923, d. January 19, 1997). Anthony Hecht (b. January 16, 1923). Alan Dugan (b. February 12, 1923). Daniel Hoffman (b. April 3, 1923). Richard Hugo (1923). Denise Levertov (b. October 24, 1923, d. December 20,1999). Louis Simpson (b. March 27, 1923). Edgar Bowers (b. March 2, 1924, d. February 4, 2000). Edward Field (b. June 7, 1924). John Haines (b. June 29. 1924). Gerald Stern (b. February 22, 1925). Maxine Kumin (b. June 6, 1925). Donald Justice (b. August 12, 1925). Carolyn Kizer (b. December 10, 1925). W. D. Snodgrass (b. January 5, 1926). A. R. Ammons (b. February 18, 1926, d. February 25,2001). Robert Bly (b. December 23, 1926). James Merrill (b. March 3, 1926, d. February 6, 1995). Robert Creeley (b. May 21, 1926). Allen Ginsberg (b. June 3, 1926, d. April 5, 1997). Frank O'Hara (b. June 27, 1926, d. July 25, 1966). John Ashbery (b. July 28, 1927). Galway Kinnell (February 1, 1927). W. S. Merwin (b. September 30. 1927). James Wright (b. December 13, 1927, d. March 25, 1980). Donald Hall (b. September 20, 1928). Philip Levine (b. January 10, 1928). Anne Sexton (b. November 9, 1928, d. October 4, 1974). Adrienne Rich (b. May 16, 1929). X. J. Kennedy (b. August 21, 1929). Thom Gunn (b. August 29, 1929). Gregory Corso (b. March 26, 1930, d. January 17, 2001). Miller Williams (b. April 8, 1930). Gary Snyder (b. May 8, 1930). Rhina Espaillat (b. January 20, 1932). Linda Pastan (b. May 27, 1932). Sylvia Plath (b. October 27, 1932, d. February 11, 1963). Gerald Barrax (b. June 21, 1933). Mark Strand (b. April 11, 1934). Robert Mezey (b. February 28, 1935). Russell Edson (b. April 9. 1935). Mary Oliver (b. September 10, 1935). Fred Chappell (b. May 28, 1936). Nancy Willard (b. June 26, 1936). Lucille Clifton (b. June 27, 1936). Susan Howe (b. June 10, 1937). C. K. Williams (b. November 4, 1936). Robert Phillips (b. February 2, 1938). Charles Simic (b. May 9, 1938). Betty Adcock (b. September 16, 1938). Jared Carter (b. January 10, 1939). Ted Kooser (b. April 25, 1939). Stephen Dunn (b. June 24, 1939). Tom Disch (b. February 2, 1940). Pattiann Rogers (b. March 23, 1940). Robert Pinsky (b. October 20, 1940). Peter Makuck (b. October 26, 1940). Robert Hass (b. March 1, 1941). Billy Collins (b. March 22, 1941). Gibbons Ruark (b. December 10, 1941). Charles Martin (b. June 25, 1942). Henry Taylor (b. June 21, 1942). William Matthews (b. November 11, 1942, d. November 12,1997). Sharon Olds (b. November 19, 1942). Marilyn Hacker (b. November 27, 1942). Sydney Lea (b. December 22, 1942). Louise Gluck (b. April 22, 1943). Ellen Bryant Voigt (b. May 9, 1943). Michael Palmer (b. May 11, 1943). James Tate (b. December 8, 1943). Shirley Geok-Lin Lim (b. December 27, 1944). Robert Morgan (b. October 3, 1944). Dick Davis (b. April 8, 1945). Kay Ryan (b. September 11, 1945). B.H. Fairchild (b. October 17, 1945). Leon Stokesbury (b. December 5, 1945). Marilyn Nelson (b. April 26, 1946). Molly Peacock (b. June 30, 1947). Ai (b. October 21, 1947). Yusef Komunyakaa (b. April 29, 1947). Jim Hall (b. July 4, 1947). Amy Uyematsu (October 18, 1947). Timothy Steele (b. January 22, 1948). Albert Goldbarth (b. January 31, 1948). Thomas Lux (b. December 10, 1948). Wendy Rose (b. May 7, 1948). Lynn Emanuel (b. March 14, 1949). David St. John (b. July 24, 1949). Sarah Cortez (b. February 11, 1950). Rodney Jones (b. February 11, 1950). Carolyn Forch? (b. April 28, 1950). Chase Twichell (b. August 20, 1950). Jorie Graham (b. May 9, 1950). Emily Grosholz (October 17, 1950). Mekeel McBride (b. July 3, 1950). Timothy Murphy (b. January 10, 1950). Dana Gioia (b. December 24, 1950). Joy Harjo (b. May 9, 1951). Naomi Shihab Nye (b. March 12, 1952). Andrew Hudgins (b. April 22, 1951). Judith Ortiz Cofer (b. February 24, 1952). Mark Jarman (b. June 5, 1952). Rita Dove (b. August 28, 1952). Brad Leithauser (b. February 27, 1952). Alberto R?os (b. September 18, 1952). Harryette Mullen (b. ? 1953). Julia Alvarez (b. March 27, 1953). Mark Doty (b. August 10, 1953). Gjertrud Schnackenberg (b. August 27, 1953). Kim Addonizio (b. July 31, 1954). Michael Donaghy (b. May 24, 1954). Mary Jo Salter (b. August 15, 1954). David Mason (b. December 11, 1954). Ginger Andrews (b. May 16, 1956). H. L. Hix (b. November 24, 1960). Denise Duhamel (b. June 13, 1961). Catherine Tufariello (b. April 9, 1963). Greg Williamson (b. June 26, 1964). Raphael Campo (b. November 24, 1964). Christian Wiman (b. August 31, 1966). Diane Thiel (b. May 9, 1967). Suji Kwock Kim (b. ? 1968). A. E. Stallings (b. July 2, 1968). Wilmer Mills (b. October 1, 1969). Morrie Creech (b. September 15, 1970). Beth Ann Fennelly (b. May 22, 1971). -----Original Message----- From: Rsgwynn1 To: new-poetry Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century You can access my and April's table of contents here. We tried to represent almost every school (except visual poetry) written by poets born since 1920 (well, Swenson, whom Bob is tepid about). After all these years, we still haven't cleared our permissions costs and have received no royalties from the book. I thought it was a fair (all things being relative) toc, but obviously you have to make some compromises, pay some old debts, etc. We did include an appendix about contemporary "schools" of poetry, in some cases pointing readers towards poets we weren't able to include. Frankly, I wanted to call it Contemporary American Poems, with the focus on individual poems we liked and thought teachable, but that idea was nixed by the publisher. http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Contemporary-American-Poetry-Penguin-Academics-Series/9780321182821.page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Dec 1 12:39:33 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:39:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century Message-ID: <52103.523e0df.3c0915d5@cs.com> In a message dated 12/1/2011 11:19:34 AM Central Standard Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > I see you got some Ginsberg and some Plath. When putting the pieces > together, you didn't face the same permissions troubles that Dove apparently > faced? Finnegan > > I'm sure we did, as we haven't paid off the permissions fees (thus, no royalties). We're still about $15k in the hole after seven years. But, you know, you just have to bite the bullet in matters like this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 12:43:26 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:43:26 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] John Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=3738579&postID=273771138742989141 > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Dec 1 12:49:14 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gwynn & Lindner's Contemporary Am Po (Longman 2005) Message-ID: <528e9.4bac6f6d.3c09181a@cs.com> In a message dated 12/1/2011 11:33:55 AM Central Standard Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > If I didn't accidentally cut anything, this would the full list of name > from the Longman anthology TOC. (Helen Vendler will have to alerted to the > fact that you have 132 names here; so by rights had the two of you gathered > from the entire 20C you would have easily hit 200 poets.) > The description defines "Contemporary" as poets born after 1920... > > > Howard Nemerov (b. March 1, 1920, d. July 5, 1991). > Amy Clampitt (b. June 15, 1920, d. September 10, 1994). > Hayden Carruth (b. August 3, 1921). > Richard Wilbur (b. March 1, 1921). > Mona Van Duyn (b. May 9, 1921). > Frederick Morgan (b. April 25, 1922). > James Dickey (b. February 2, 1923, d. January 19, 1997). > Anthony Hecht (b. January 16, 1923). > Alan Dugan (b. February 12, 1923). > Daniel Hoffman (b. April 3, 1923). > Richard Hugo (1923). > Denise Levertov (b. October 24, 1923, d. December 20, 1999). > Louis Simpson (b. March 27, 1923). > Edgar Bowers (b. March 2, 1924, d. February 4, 2000). > Edward Field (b. June 7, 1924). > John Haines (b. June 29. 1924). > Gerald Stern (b. February 22, 1925). > Maxine Kumin (b. June 6, 1925). > Donald Justice (b. August 12, 1925). > Carolyn Kizer (b. December 10, 1925). > W. D. Snodgrass (b. January 5, 1926). > A. R. Ammons (b. February 18, 1926, d. February 25, 2001). > Robert Bly (b. December 23, 1926). > James Merrill (b. March 3, 1926, d. February 6, 1995). > Robert Creeley (b. May 21, 1926). > Allen Ginsberg (b. June 3, 1926, d. April 5, 1997). > Frank O'Hara (b. June 27, 1926, d. July 25, 1966). > John Ashbery (b. July 28, 1927). > Galway Kinnell (February 1, 1927). > W. S. Merwin (b. September 30. 1927). > James Wright (b. December 13, 1927, d. March 25, 1980). > Donald Hall (b. September 20, 1928). > Philip Levine (b. January 10, 1928). > Anne Sexton (b. November 9, 1928, d. October 4, 1974). > Adrienne Rich (b. May 16, 1929). > X. J. Kennedy (b. August 21, 1929). > Thom Gunn (b. August 29, 1929). > Gregory Corso (b. March 26, 1930, d. January 17, 2001). > Miller Williams (b. April 8, 1930). > Gary Snyder (b. May 8, 1930). > Rhina Espaillat (b. January 20, 1932). > Linda Pastan (b. May 27, 1932). > Sylvia Plath (b. October 27, 1932, d. February 11, 1963). > Gerald Barrax (b. June 21, 1933). > Mark Strand (b. April 11, 1934). > Robert Mezey (b. February 28, 1935). > Russell Edson (b. April 9. 1935). > Mary Oliver (b. September 10, 1935). > Fred Chappell (b. May 28, 1936). > Nancy Willard (b. June 26, 1936). > Lucille Clifton (b. June 27, 1936). > Susan Howe (b. June 10, 1937). > C. K. Williams (b. November 4, 1936). > Robert Phillips (b. February 2, 1938). > Charles Simic (b. May 9, 1938). > Betty Adcock (b. September 16, 1938). > Jared Carter (b. January 10, 1939). > Ted Kooser (b. April 25, 1939). > Stephen Dunn (b. June 24, 1939). > Tom Disch (b. February 2, 1940). > Pattiann Rogers (b. March 23, 1940). > Robert Pinsky (b. October 20, 1940). > Peter Makuck (b. October 26, 1940). > Robert Hass (b. March 1, 1941). > Billy Collins (b. March 22, 1941). > Gibbons Ruark (b. December 10, 1941). > Charles Martin (b. June 25, 1942). > Henry Taylor (b. June 21, 1942). > William Matthews (b. November 11, 1942, d. November 12, 1997). > Sharon Olds (b. November 19, 1942). > Marilyn Hacker (b. November 27, 1942). > Sydney Lea (b. December 22, 1942). > Louise Gluck (b. April 22, 1943). > Ellen Bryant Voigt (b. May 9, 1943). > Michael Palmer (b. May 11, 1943). > James Tate (b. December 8, 1943). > Shirley Geok-Lin Lim (b. December 27, 1944). > Robert Morgan (b. October 3, 1944). > Dick Davis (b. April 8, 1945). > Kay Ryan (b. September 11, 1945). > B.H. Fairchild (b. October 17, 1945). > Leon Stokesbury (b. December 5, 1945). > Marilyn Nelson (b. April 26, 1946). > Molly Peacock (b. June 30, 1947). > Ai (b. October 21, 1947). > Yusef Komunyakaa (b. April 29, 1947). > Jim Hall (b. July 4, 1947). > Amy Uyematsu (October 18, 1947). > Timothy Steele (b. January 22, 1948). > Albert Goldbarth (b. January 31, 1948). > Thomas Lux (b. December 10, 1948). > Wendy Rose (b. May 7, 1948). > Lynn Emanuel (b. March 14, 1949). > David St. John (b. July 24, 1949). > Sarah Cortez (b. February 11, 1950). > Rodney Jones (b. February 11, 1950). > Carolyn Forch? (b. April 28, 1950). > Chase Twichell (b. August 20, 1950). > Jorie Graham (b. May 9, 1950). > Emily Grosholz (October 17, 1950). > Mekeel McBride (b. July 3, 1950). > Timothy Murphy (b. January 10, 1950). > Dana Gioia (b. December 24, 1950). > Joy Harjo (b. May 9, 1951). > Naomi Shihab Nye (b. March 12, 1952). > Andrew Hudgins (b. April 22, 1951). > Judith Ortiz Cofer (b. February 24, 1952). > Mark Jarman (b. June 5, 1952). > Rita Dove (b. August 28, 1952). > Brad Leithauser (b. February 27, 1952). > Alberto R?os (b. September 18, 1952). Harryette Mullen (b. ? 1953). > Julia Alvarez (b. March 27, 1953). > Mark Doty (b. August 10, 1953). > Gjertrud Schnackenberg (b. August 27, 1953). > Kim Addonizio (b. July 31, 1954). > Michael Donaghy (b. May 24, 1954). > Mary Jo Salter (b. August 15, 1954). > David Mason (b. December 11, 1954). > Ginger Andrews (b. May 16, 1956). > H. L. Hix (b. November 24, 1960). > Denise Duhamel (b. June 13, 1961). > Catherine Tufariello (b. April 9, 1963). > Greg Williamson (b. June 26, 1964). > Raphael Campo (b. November 24, 1964). > Christian Wiman (b. August 31, 1966). > Diane Thiel (b. May 9, 1967). > Suji Kwock Kim (b. ? 1968). > A. E. Stallings (b. July 2, 1968). > Wilmer Mills (b. October 1, 1969). > Morrie Creech (b. September 15, 1970). > Beth Ann Fennelly (b. May 22, 1971). > Looks accurate to me. Our anthology reflects our formalist tastes to a degree, but caveat emptor is the rule. If somebody prefers Poulin and Watered-down, fine. Or Dove or whomever. I still wish we could have titled it "Poems" instead of "Poetry." My ideal anthology would be titled "Poems Sam Likes." We also have more southern poets than most anthologies. Guess why? Dove almost completely overlooks the South--Dickey and Williams, one apiece. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Dec 1 12:58:58 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:58:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Gwynn & Lindner's Contemporary Am Po (Longman 2005) Message-ID: <6651769.1322762339567.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Dec 1 13:02:22 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:02:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE7E6A8244CBE5-94C-1C354@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:44 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Ashbery ?? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=3738579&postID=273771138742989141 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:02 PM, wrote: > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:44 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Ashbery > > ?? > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > >> >> http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=3738579&postID=273771138742989141 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Dec 1 13:30:16 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:30:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: <518197C3E0C54A7CB455157E4C6C9383@BobHP> References: <518197C3E0C54A7CB455157E4C6C9383@BobHP> Message-ID: <8CE7E6E67F27D7A-94C-1C872@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Hey...Don't throw my man Sandburg under the bus in process of praising your guy Frost. Sandburg is more of an urbanist (not a pastoralist) and a poet of the demotic. Finnegan From: David Graham Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:31 PM To: NewPoetry Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies I?m a big Frost fan, too (no surprise to long-time NewPonians). Strange to me that anyone would, after all these years, find it possible to condescend to Frost. His work has its low moments, of course, but the same is true for many great poets, such as Wordsworth or even Shakespeare. But his best stuff is strange (?extravagant? was the word Frost loved), chilly, enigmatic, tragic, and on and on. Not sentimental or even particularly pastoral. If you haven?t read North of Boston in a while, take a look at the lesser known poems especially. For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his work that infested my high school education was in reading Randall Jarrell?s two famous essays on his work. Highly recommended. From there I discovered a lot of good scholarship, the best of which may be Richard Poirier?s book, Frost: the Work of Knowing, which makes the case for Frost?s philosophical depth and deftness of mind. Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of seeing sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? But dive into the collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope for you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Dec 1 14:23:18 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:23:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: <8CE7E6E67F27D7A-94C-1C872@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> References: <518197C3E0C54A7CB455157E4C6C9383@BobHP> <8CE7E6E67F27D7A-94C-1C872@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4ED7D426.1050500@louisiana.edu> I agree absolutely. I also note that Frost claimed that Sandburg spent hours getting his cowlick to stand up the way he liked it.\ Jerry On 12/1/2011 12:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Hey...Don't throw my man Sandburg under the bus in process of praising > your guy Frost. Sandburg is more of an urbanist (not a pastoralist) > and a poet of the demotic. > Finnegan > *From:* David Graham > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:31 PM > *To:* NewPoetry > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies > I?m a big Frost fan, too (no surprise to long-time NewPonians). > Strange to me that anyone would, after all these years, find it > possible to condescend to Frost. His work has its low moments, of > course, but the same is true for many great poets, such as Wordsworth > or even Shakespeare. But his best stuff is strange (?extravagant? was > the word Frost loved), chilly, enigmatic, tragic, and on and on. Not > sentimental or even particularly pastoral. If you haven?t read > *North of Boston* in a while, take a look at the lesser known poems > especially. > > For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his > work that infested my high school education was in reading Randall > Jarrell?s two famous essays on his work. Highly recommended. From > there I discovered a lot of good scholarship, the best of which may be > Richard Poirier?s book, *Frost: the Work of Knowing*, which makes the > case for Frost?s philosophical depth and deftness of mind. > > Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of > seeing sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? But dive > into the collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some > Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope > for you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are having a book launch and reading Dec 1 (tonight) at 7:30 at the A.P.E. at Windows, 126 Main St., NoHo. -- FYI...Anthology of poets associated with a poetry group I founded back in mid-1980s in Northampton MA....still growing strong with a different cast of characters. Finnegan _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Thu Dec 1 14:51:50 2011 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:51:50 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: <8CE7E6E67F27D7A-94C-1C872@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, my sentence got away from me. I meant ?some Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? sentimentalist....? I like Sandburg?s first two or three books quite a lot. They?re still fresh, vivid, and fun. But it would be a real stretch to put him in Frost?s league, even at his best?as thinker, craftsman, ironist, or whatever. Of course, Frost himself had a tendency, in his weakest work, to play to the cheap seats. But Sandburg is, I think, a different and simpler sort of writer, start to finish. And in his later career, with the abysmal ?The People, Yes? stuff, Sandburg?s far far worse than even Frost at his worst, I think. I wouldn?t call Frost a pastoralist at all, if by that term you mean the traditional notion of someone glorifying rural life for its innocence, purity, and so forth. His world was rural but hardscrabble. Yes, a lot of his poems have trees and flowers in them. But among other things people do tend to forget what a brilliant, Chekhovian psychologist he could be, especially in his many poems on ?the woe that is in marriage.? As Sam said, re-read ?A Servant to Servants, ? right now! On 12/1/11 12:30 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > Hey...Don't throw my man Sandburg under the bus in process of praising your > guy Frost. Sandburg is more of an urbanist (not a pastoralist) and a poet of > the demotic. > Finnegan > > From: David Graham > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:31 PM > To: NewPoetry > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies > > I?m a big Frost fan, too (no surprise to long-time NewPonians). Strange to me > that anyone would, after all these years, find it possible to condescend to > Frost. His work has its low moments, of course, but the same is true for many > great poets, such as Wordsworth or even Shakespeare. But his best stuff is > strange (?extravagant? was the word Frost loved), chilly, enigmatic, tragic, > and on and on. Not sentimental or even particularly pastoral. If you haven?t > read North of Boston in a while, take a look at the lesser known poems > especially. > > For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his work > that infested my high school education was in reading Randall Jarrell?s two > famous essays on his work. Highly recommended. From there I discovered a lot > of good scholarship, the best of which may be Richard Poirier?s book, Frost: > the Work of Knowing, which makes the case for Frost?s philosophical depth and > deftness of mind. > > Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of seeing > sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? But dive into the > collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some Sandburgian ?The > People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope for you. > > > > ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 14:53:45 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:53:45 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthologies In-Reply-To: References: <8CE7E6E67F27D7A-94C-1C872@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Who was better at the guitar is what I'm wondering. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David Graham wrote: > Sorry, my sentence got away from me. I meant ?some Sandburgian ?The > People, Yes? sentimentalist....? I like Sandburg?s first two or three > books quite a lot. They?re still fresh, vivid, and fun. But it would be a > real stretch to put him in Frost?s league, even at his best?as thinker, > craftsman, ironist, or whatever. Of course, Frost himself had a tendency, > in his weakest work, to play to the cheap seats. But Sandburg is, I > think, a different and simpler sort of writer, start to finish. And in his > later career, with the abysmal ?The People, Yes? stuff, Sandburg?s far far > worse than even Frost at his worst, I think. > > I wouldn?t call Frost a pastoralist at all, if by that term you mean the > traditional notion of someone glorifying rural life for its innocence, > purity, and so forth. His world was rural but hardscrabble. Yes, a lot > of his poems have trees and flowers in them. But among other things people > do tend to forget what a brilliant, Chekhovian psychologist he could be, > especially in his many poems on ?the woe that is in marriage.? As Sam > said, re-read ?A Servant to Servants, ? right now! > > > On 12/1/11 12:30 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > > Hey...Don't throw my man Sandburg under the bus in process of praising > your guy Frost. Sandburg is more of an urbanist (not a pastoralist) and a > poet of the demotic. > Finnegan > > *From:* David Graham > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:31 PM > *To:* NewPoetry > > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies > > I?m a big Frost fan, too (no surprise to long-time NewPonians). Strange > to me that anyone would, after all these years, find it possible to > condescend to Frost. His work has its low moments, of course, but the same > is true for many great poets, such as Wordsworth or even Shakespeare. But > his best stuff is strange (?extravagant? was the word Frost loved), chilly, > enigmatic, tragic, and on and on. Not sentimental or even particularly > pastoral. If you haven?t read *North of Boston* in a while, take a look > at the lesser known poems especially. > > For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his > work that infested my high school education was in reading Randall > Jarrell?s two famous essays on his work. Highly recommended. From there I > discovered a lot of good scholarship, the best of which may be Richard > Poirier?s book, *Frost: the Work of Knowing*, which makes the case for > Frost?s philosophical depth and deftness of mind. > > Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of seeing > sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? But dive into the > collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some Sandburgian > ?The People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope for you. > > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Dec 1 15:59:20 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gwynn & Lindner's Contemporary Am Po (Longman 2005) In-Reply-To: <32379906.1322762738123.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32379906.1322762738123.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <38661727703B4A948C0823B3FF0918A5@BobHP> From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:05 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gwynn & Lindner's Contemporary Am Po (Longman 2005) I think this discussion of anthologies (my part in it anyway) has been more about what each of us thinks the American anthology would look like in its Platonic form. I don?t feel mine would be too Platonic. It would only be one that has at least two or three poets representing each of the viable schools of American poetry during the twentieth century?by my standards (after consulting those I consider authorities in areas of the poetry landscape I?m not?in my opinion). So, not Platonically unattainable, just not capable of satisfying everyone, which is much different, in my view. My goal for an anthology of American Poetry, 1900?1950, would be much different from my goal for one of American Poetry from 1950?2000; the first would be of representative work from the best poets of the period, the second of representative work from the poets most likely to be judged as that in sixty years. Both according to my standards, aided by consultation. Neither likely to satisfy everyone. I think few would disagree with what I had in the first; I think everyone would with what I had in the second but that I?d have more work from poets still admired sixty years from now than anyone else did. That said, I don?t think I?d like to edit such an anthology?having to choose between the work of good poets and superior poets, all of them friends of mine, or even just acquaintances would be too difficult for me. I ?d rather just do a large anthology of unfairly-overlooked poets. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lost in the woodsness? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Anny Ballardini ** >>>> Sent: Nov 30, 2011 10:59 AM >>>> To: NewPoetry List ** >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Untranslatable >>>> >>>> I kann Waldeinsamkeit verstehen, :-) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Anny, I don't care that much about second cousins twice removed either >>>>> (since caring seems to be your touchstone for effective language). I do >>>>> care about what the Germans call *Waldeinsamkeit*, and English >>>>> doesn't have a word for that either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Serving the tri-state area. >>>>> >>>>> Hal >>>>> >>>>> Halvard Johnson >>>>> ================ >>>>> >>>>> halvard at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>> >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >>>>> >>>>> Remains To Be Seen >>>>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>>>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>>>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>>>> *, *Mainly Black >>>>> , *Obras P?blicas >>>>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>>>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>>>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>>>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>>>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>>>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>>>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>>>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>>>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>>>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>>>> ;* >>>>> *Transparencies & Projections >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Anny Ballardini < >>>>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's say Hal that I do not care that much about a second cousin >>>>>> twice removed... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In terms of familial relationships, it definitely is. What's a >>>>>>> "second cousin twice removed," for example? Even words like "grandfather," >>>>>>> "cousin," "uncle," and "aunt" do not clearly specify the nature of a >>>>>>> relationship. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Serving the tri-state area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Halvard Johnson >>>>>>> ================ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> halvard at gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Remains To Be Seen >>>>>>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>>>>>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>>>>>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>>>>>> *, *Mainly Black >>>>>>> , *Obras P?blicas >>>>>>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>>>>>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>>>>>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>>>>>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>>>>>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>>>>>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>>>>>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>>>>>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>>>>>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>>>>>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>>>>>> ;* >>>>>>> *Transparencies & Projections >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Anny Ballardini < >>>>>>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I wouldn't say that English is at a loss of words... and some >>>>>>>> - at least from my over-rusted French - are not that 'unique.' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM, wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Top 10 Relationship Words That Aren't Translatable Into >>>>>>>>> English >>>>>>>>> http://bigthink.com/ideas/41152?page=all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Anny Ballardini >>>>>>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>>>>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>>>>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>>>>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>>>>>>> dancing star! >>>>>>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>>>>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>>>>>> Giovenale >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Anny Ballardini >>>>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>>>>> dancing star! >>>>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>>>> >>>>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>>>> Giovenale >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anny Ballardini >>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>>> star! >>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>> >>>> ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttp://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David Graham wrote: Sorry, my sentence got away from me. ?I meant ?some Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? sentimentalist....? ?I like Sandburg?s first two or three books quite a lot. ?They?re still fresh, vivid, and fun. ?But it would be a real stretch to put him in Frost?s league, even at his best?as thinker, craftsman, ironist, or whatever. ?Of course, Frost himself had a tendency, in his weakest work, to play to the cheap seats. ??But Sandburg is, I think, a different and simpler sort of writer, start to finish. ?And in his later career, with the abysmal ?The People, Yes? stuff, Sandburg?s far far worse than even Frost at his worst, I think. ? I wouldn?t call Frost a pastoralist at all, if by that term you mean the traditional notion of someone glorifying rural life for its innocence, purity, and so forth. ?His world was rural but hardscrabble. ??Yes, a lot of his poems have trees and flowers in them. ?But among other things people do tend to forget what a ?brilliant, Chekhovian psychologist he could be, especially in his many poems on ?the woe that is in marriage.? ?As Sam said, re-read ?A Servant to Servants, ? right now! On 12/1/11 12:30 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: Hey...Don't throw my man Sandburg under the bus in process of praising your guy Frost. Sandburg is more of an urbanist (not a pastoralist) and a poet of the demotic. Finnegan From: David Graham ? Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:31 PM To: NewPoetry ? Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anthologies ? I?m a big Frost fan, too (no surprise to long-time NewPonians). ?Strange to me that anyone would, after all these years, find it possible to condescend to Frost. ?His work has its low moments, of course, but the same is true for many great poets, such as Wordsworth or even Shakespeare. ?But his best stuff is strange (?extravagant? was the word Frost loved), chilly, enigmatic, tragic, and on and on. Not sentimental or even particularly pastoral. ??If you haven?t read North of Boston in a while, take a look at the lesser known poems especially. ? For me the turning point in moving beyond the still-common view of his work that infested my high school education was in reading Randall Jarrell?s two famous essays on his work. ?Highly recommended. ?From there I discovered a lot of good scholarship, the best of which may be Richard Poirier?s book, Frost: ?the Work of Knowing, which makes the case for Frost?s philosophical depth and deftness of mind. ? Yes, we?re all probably tired of ?Stopping By Woods? and sick of seeing sentimentalized reductions of ?The Road Not Taken.? ?But dive into the collected poems and if you come out still thinking he?s some Sandburgian ?The People, Yes? pastoralist, well, there?s little hope for you. ? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv510791222 body, #yiv510791222 td, #yiv510791222 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input:hover, #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input:focus, #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input.yiv510791222searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform input.yiv510791222searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform div.yiv510791222poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform div.yiv510791222poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv510791222 #yiv510791222searchform div.yiv510791222poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... Cambell McGrath, poetry. T. C. Boyle, fiction. Drama, (me). Search the web: enhanced by -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 09:57:30 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:57:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1322837850.9569.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes wrote: From: James Cervantes Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM I like this. - Jim On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM ET? Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) ?? Nicanor Parra, the Chilean poet and mathematician who seeks to demystify poetry and make it accessible to a wider audience, has won the 2011 Miguel de Cervantes Prize. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Sol Literary Magazine:?http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer Parra. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes wrote: From: James Cervantes Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM I like this. - Jim On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM ET? Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) ?? 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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:08 PM http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/daniel-radcliffe-to-play-beat-poet-allen-ginsberg/254567 The actor, fresh from the Harry Potter series, is set to play Ginsberg in thriller Kill Your Darlings, a new independent drama about poetry, gay stalkers and murder in 1940s New York. The feature debut from writer/director John Krokidas, follows the young Ginsberg?s introduction to the Manhattan beat scene, focussing on his relationships with Jack Kerouac and Lucien Carr, according to The Guardian. Carr was jailed for second-degree murder in 1944 after stabbing his stalker, David Kammerer and dumping the body in the Hudson. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1322858843.29811.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Please support SPD - http://www.spdbooks.org/Producte/9781933959238/i-want-to-make-you-safe.aspx "Rarely have the nude and the cooked been so neatly joined? as in Amy King?s I Want to Make You Safe. If ?us,? ?herons,? and ?dust? rhyme, ?then these poems rhyme. If that makes you feel safe, it shouldn?t. Amy King?s poems are exuberant, strange, and a bit grotesque. They?re spring-loaded and ready for trouble. Categories collapse. These are the new ?thunderstorms with Barbie roots." ? Rae Armantrout Vulnerability, fragility, and anxiety are all flushed out into the open here and addressed with such strong sound and rhythm that we recognize a resilient, defiant strength within them. King puts relentless pressure on forces seemingly beyond our reach and, in bringing them closer, exposes their own vulnerable centers. This is a poetry equally committed to language as a tool with social obligations and language as an art material obligated to reveal its own beauty. King?s language does both magnificently.? ? Cole Swensen Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the ?natural? world, i.e. sex, sun, love, rotting, hatching, dreaming, especially in the wonderful long poem ?This Opera of Peace.? She brings these abstractions to brilliant, jagged life, emerging into rather than out of the busyness of living: ?Let the walls bear up the angle of the floor,/Let the mice be tragic for all that is caged,/Let time?s contagion mar us/until spoken people lie as particles of wind. ? John Ashbery I love Amy King's smile in photos of Amy King, Amy King's exuberance and looping, bashing panache (flamboyant manner, reckless courage) in the poems of Amy King, I'm going to say Amy King every chance I get in this blurb to make you think "I gotta read me some Amy King," especially if you're "looking for anything/that will pull the cork, boil the blood/of displeasure," as only the poems of Amy King can in the world in which Amy King is King (and Queen).????? ? Bob Hicok The first poem I read by Amy King was "MEN BY THE LIPS OF WOMEN" and it struck me with a force I had previously felt on encountering masterworks by Lorca and Dylan Thomas. ?I won't live long enough to see if her poetry will continue to equal the magnificence of theirs, but the fact that she achieved it once (at least) proves to me it could.????? ? Bill Knott "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html )? From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 15:48:07 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:48:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] King on Rich - Poetry Foundation Message-ID: <1322858887.67908.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> No Place for the Little Lyric:? Should Adrienne Rich be the poet laureate of the Occupy movement? -- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 ? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) From junction at earthlink.net Fri Dec 2 15:45:47 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:45:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: <30114593.1322858747699.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:54:36 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:54:36 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize In-Reply-To: <1322837850.9569.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1322837850.9569.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But look at the age, poor man, 97! On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:57 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe > with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes * wrote: > > > From: James Cervantes > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM > > > I like this. > > - Jim > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, > > wrote: > > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html > CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM > ET > > Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest > winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest > honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) > > Nicanor Parra, the Chilean poet and mathematician who seeks to demystify > poetry and make it accessible to a wider audience, has won the 2011 Miguel > de Cervantes Prize. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Should Adrienne Rich be the poet laureate of the Occupy movement? -- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 ? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 15:56:00 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] PEN Poetry Roundup + BELLADONNA does WHAT?? Message-ID: <1322859360.27826.YahooMailNeo@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> PEN AMERICAN Roundup (NEW - WEEKLY) -? http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Belladonna* loves you and needs you.... ? 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"Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) From junction at earthlink.net Fri Dec 2 15:51:36 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:51:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: <23257680.1322859096527.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 16:07:02 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: <30114593.1322858747699.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1322860022.15637.YahooMailClassic@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this mean ... Waldeinsamkeit --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM #yiv1495320309 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}MY COLLANDER The widow of importunity will not ripen til father appears -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 correction: Calender --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttp://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen,?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The pleasure of not being in the woods. --Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 2, 2011 4:07 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this mean ... Waldeinsamkeit --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM #yiv475025216 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}MY COLLANDER The widow of importunity will not ripen til father appears -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 correction: Calender --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > i get it. it's about camping in the black forest ... probably no word for > that in English. > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:18 PM > > > How about waldbeisamenkeit? The pleasure of being in the woods together. > Or wladausenkeit. The pleasure of not being in the woods. > > > > --Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Dec 2, 2011 4:07 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this > mean ... *Waldeinsamkeit* > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM > > MY COLLANDER > > The widow of importunity > will not ripen til father appears > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > correction: Calender > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM > > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 16:56:09 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:56:09 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: References: <29721133.1322860731314.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1322860881.50561.YahooMailClassic@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just kidding. That one takes three words. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Campingimschwarzwald. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> i get it. it's about camping in the black forest ... probably no word for >> that in English. >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: >> >> >> From: junction at earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> To: "NewPoetry List" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:18 PM >> >> >> How about waldbeisamenkeit? The pleasure of being in the woods together. >> Or wladausenkeit. The pleasure of not being in the woods. >> >> >> >> --Original Message----- >> From: stephen russell >> Sent: Dec 2, 2011 4:07 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> >> you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this >> mean ... *Waldeinsamkeit* >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: >> >> >> From: junction at earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> To: "NewPoetry List" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM >> >> MY COLLANDER >> >> The widow of importunity >> will not ripen til father appears >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stephen russell >> Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> >> correction: Calender >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: >> >> >> From: stephen russell >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> To: "NewPoetry List" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM >> >> Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- >> >> Mayan Calander >> (12./25/2011) >> >> >> The window of opportunity >> will not reopen until further repairs. >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: >> >> >> From: Halvard Johnson >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM >> >> :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > How about waldbeisamenkeit? The pleasure of being in the woods together. > Or wladausenkeit. The pleasure of not being in the woods. > > > > > --Original Message----- > From: stephen russell ** > Sent: Dec 2, 2011 4:07 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this > mean ... *Waldeinsamkeit* > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM > > MY COLLANDER > > The widow of importunity > will not ripen til father appears > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > correction: Calender > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM > > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:07 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > you're making fun of my spelling ... not fair ... & Hal, what does this > mean ... *Waldeinsamkeit* > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:45 PM > > > MY COLLANDER > > The widow of importunity > will not ripen til father appears > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell > Sent: Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > > correction: Calender > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20 PM > > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttp://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen , Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) , Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems , Mainly Black , Obras P?blicas ; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; Tango Bouquet ; Theory of Harmony ; Rapsodie espagnole ; Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; The Sonnet Project ; G(e)nome ; Winter Journey ; Eclipse ; The Dance of the Red Swan ; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM, amy king < amyhappens at yahoo.com > wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/defending-anthology/ Defending an Anthology December 22, 2011 Rita Dove , reply by Helen Vendler "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Beckett did one like-- > > When will the window of opportunity reopen? > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM > > > Kafka did one like-- > > This window of opportunity was opened just for you. > Now it is closing forever. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson > >* wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, > "Poetryetc" > > > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amicalement, Alex ? www.alexdickow.net/blog/ ? les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet ________________________________ From: "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review In a message dated 12/2/2011 4:51:34 PM Central Standard Time, mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: >Dove acquits herself with skill and gives better than she got. > > The main problem, as I see it, is that Dove has been an AWP insider (and former president 1986-87) for at least 30 years, and she's probably got personal associations with most of the poets born since 1940.? If word gets out that you're editing something like this, it's awfully hard to avoid all the suppliants ("Please!? I'm up for tenure/promotion, and I NEED this publication.").? Probably the best anthology might be edited by someone who's outside or above the fray.? I'd love to see a Clive James American anthology, for instance, or one by Christopher Ricks.? It'll never happen, of course, but it would be good to see something edited by a reader/critic of poetry (well, Vendler fits this description, I guess) instead of by a poet.? And, lord, I'd like to see an anthology that sings a little. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 18:37:16 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:37:16 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review In-Reply-To: <1322868766.6533.YahooMailNeo@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1f80.2702ebaa.3c0ab7f1@cs.com> <1322868766.6533.YahooMailNeo@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There you go. Let's call it *Anthology of Un-American Poetry.* Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > Personally, I like the Dove response, but I'd much rather see an Anthology > of American Poetry that's considerably less...American. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2011 6:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review > > In a message dated 12/2/2011 4:51:34 PM Central Standard Time, > mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: > > > Dove acquits herself with skill and gives better than she got. > > > The main problem, as I see it, is that Dove has been an AWP insider (and > former president 1986-87) for at least 30 years, and she's probably got > personal associations with most of the poets born since 1940. If word gets > out that you're editing something like this, it's awfully hard to avoid all > the suppliants ("Please! I'm up for tenure/promotion, and I NEED this > publication."). Probably the best anthology might be edited by someone > who's outside or above the fray. I'd love to see a Clive James American > anthology, for instance, or one by Christopher Ricks. It'll never happen, > of course, but it would be good to see something edited by a reader/critic > of poetry (well, Vendler fits this description, I guess) instead of by a > poet. And, lord, I'd like to see an anthology that *sings* a little. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DU BOIS (1868-1963) EDGAR LEE MASTERS (1868-1950) EDWIN ARLINGTON ROBINSON (1869-1935) GEORGE STERLING (1869-1926) ARTHUR GUITERMAN (1871-1943) JAMES WELDON JOHNSON (1871-1938) EDWIN FORD PIPER (1871-939) LEONORA SPEYER (1872-1956) W. C. HANDY (1873-1958) ELSA VON FREYTAG-LORINGHOVEN (1874-1927) ROBERT FROST (1874-1963) AMY LOWELL (1874-1925) GERTRUDE STEIN (1874-1946) ANNA HEMPSTEAD BRANCH (1875-1937) SHERWOOD ANDERSON (1876-1941) SARAH N. CLEGHORN (1876-1959) WALTER CONRAD ARENSBERG (1878-1954) ADELAIDE CRAPSEY (1878-1914) DON MARQUIS (1878-1937) CARL SANDBURG (1878-1967) JOE HILL (1879-1915) VACHEL LINDSAY (1879-1931) WALLACE STEVENS (1879-1955) ANGELINA WELD GRIMKE (1880-1958) FRANKLIN P. ADAMS (1881-1960) WITTER BYNNER (1881-1968) ABBIE HUSTON EVANS (1881-1983) JOHN G. NEIHARDT (1881-1973) ELIZABETH MADOX ROBERTS (1881-1941) MINA LOY (1882-1966) ANNE SPENCER (1882-1976) BADGER CLARK JR. (1883-1957) MAX EASTMAN (1883-1969) ARTHUR DAVISON FICKE (1883-1945) ALFRED KREYMBORG (1883-1966) WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS (1883-1963) DONALD EVANS (1884-1921) ARTURO GIOVANNITTI (1884-1959) WILBERT SNOW (1884-1977) SARA TEASDALE (1884-1933) EZRA POUND (1885-1972) ELINOR WYLIE (1885-1928) H.D.[HILDA DOOLITTLE] (1886-1961) JOHN GOULD FLETCHER (1886-1950) HAZEL HALL (1886-1924) ROY HELTON (b.1886) GEORGIA DOUGLAS JOHNSON (1886-1966) JOYCE KILMER (1886-1918) MA RAINEY (1886-1939) JOHN HALL WHEELOCK (1886-1978) SKIPWITH CANNELL (1887-1957) ROBINSON JEFFERS (1887-1962) ORRICK JOHNS (1887-1946) MARIANNE MOORE (1887-1972) CHARLIE PATTON (1887-1934) JOHN REED (1887-1920) IRVING BERLIN (1888-1989) T. S. ELIOT (1888-1965) FENTON JOHNSON (1888-1958) HANIEL LONG (1888-1956) JOHN CROWE RANSOM (1888-1974) ALAN SEEGER (1888-1916) CONRAD AIKEN (1889-1973) H. P. LOVECRAFT (1890-1937) CLAUDE MCKAY (1890-1948) COLE PORTER (1891-1964) DJUNA BARNES (1892-1982) JOHN PEALE BISHOP (1892-1944) MAXWELL BODENHEIM (1892-1954) ARCHIBALD MACLEISH (1892-1982) EDNA ST. VINCENT MILLAY (1892-1950) DONALD DAVIDSON (1893-1968) SAMUEL GREENBERG (1893-1917) DOROTHY PARKER (1893-1967) (END VOLUME I) http://www.loa.org/volume.jsp?RequestID=143 E.E. Cummings (1894-1962) H.L. Davis (1894-1960) Eugene Jolas (1894-1952) H. Phelps Putnam (1894-1948) Charles Reznikoff (1894-1976) Genevieve Taggard (1894-1937) Jean Toomer (1894-1967) Mark Van Doren (1894-1972 ) Alter Brody (1895-1979) Lorenz Hart (1895-1943) Robert Hillyer (1895-1961) Edmund Wilson (1895-1972) John Dos Passos (1896-1970) Thomas Hornsby Ferril (1896-1988) Ira Gershwin (1896-1983) Ramon Guthrie (1896-1973) E.Y. Harburg (1896-1981) Isidor Schneider (1896-1977) Louisa Bogan (1897-1970) Emanuel Carnevali (1897-1942?) Walter Lowenfels (1897-1976) David McCord (1897-1997) John Wheelwright (1897-1940) Stephen Vincent Benet (1898-1943) Harry Crosby (1898-1929) Horace Gregory (1898-1982) Melvin B. Tolson (1898-1966) Leonie Adams (1899-1988) Hart Crane (1899-1932) Thomas A. Dorsey (1899-1993) Hildegarde Flanner (1899-1987) Janet Lewis (1899-1998) Joseph Moncure March (1899-1977) Vladimir Nabokov (1899-1977) Lynn Riggs (1899-1954) Santo Domingo Corn Dance Allen Tate (1899-1979) Edward Hahlberg (1900-1977) Yvor Winters ( 1900-1968) Sterling A. Brown (1901-1989) Robert Francis (1901-1987) Lindley Williams Hubbell (1901-1994) Laura Riding (1901-1991) Arna Bontemps (1902-1973) Kenneth Fearing (1902-1961) Langston Hughes (1902-1967) Ogden Nash (1902-1971) Eve Triem (1902-1992) Countee Cullen (1903-1946) Edwin Denby ( 1903-1968) Dudley Fitts (1903-1968) Brewster Ghiselin (b.1903) Lorine Niedecker (1903-1970) Carl Rakosi (b.1903) R.P. Blackmur (1904-1965) John Holmes (1904-1962) Louis Zukofsky (1904-1978) Howard Baker (1905-1990) Frank Marshall Davis (1905-1987) Dorothy Fields (1905-1974) Stanley Kunitz (b.1905) Phyllis McGinley (1905-1978) Kenneth Rexroth (1905-1982) Byron Vazakas (1905-1987) Robert Penn Warren (1905-1989) Stanley Burnshaw (b.1906) Waring Cuney (1906-1976) Joseph Kalar (1906-1972) Richmond Lattemore (1906-1984) Lincoln Kirstein (1907-1996) Constance Carrier (1906-1991) Alton Delmore (1908-1964) Josephine Jacobsen (b.1908) George Oppen (1908-1984) Theodore Roethke (1908-1963) Richard Wright (1908-1960) James Agee (1909-1955) Mary Barnard (b.1909) Johnny Mercer (1909-1976) Elder Olson (1909-1992) Edwin Rolfe (1909-1954) Bukka White (1909-1977) Robert Fitzgerald (1910-1985) Frank Loesser (1910-1969) Rosalie Moore (b.1910) Charles Olsen (1910-1970) Winfield Townley Scott (1910-1968) Ben Belitt (b.1911) Elizabeth Bishop (1911-1979) J.V. Cunningham (1911-1985) Rose Drachler (1911-1982) Paul Goodman (1911-1972) Robert Johnson (1911-1938) Josephine Miles (1911-1985) Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) Hyam Plutzik (1911-1962) Anne Porter (b.1911) Tennessee Williams (1911-1983) John Cage (1912-1992) William Everson (1912-1994) Jean Garrigue (1912-1972) Woody Guthrie (1912-1967) Lightnin' Hopkins (1912-1982) May Sarton (1912-1995) Charles Henri Ford (b.1913) Robert Hayden (1913-1980) John Frederick Nims (1913-1999) Muriel Rukeyser (1913-1980) David Schubert (1913-1946) Delmore Schwartz (1913-1966) Karl Shapiro (b.1913) May Swenson (1913-1989) -----Original Message----- From: Rsgwynn1 To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review In a message dated 12/2/2011 4:51:34 PM Central Standard Time, mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: Dove acquits herself with skill and gives better than she got. The main problem, as I see it, is that Dove has been an AWP insider (and former president 1986-87) for at least 30 years, and she's probably got personal associations with most of the poets born since 1940. If word gets out that you're editing something like this, it's awfully hard to avoid all the suppliants ("Please! I'm up for tenure/promotion, and I NEED this publication."). Probably the best anthology might be edited by someone who's outside or above the fray. I'd love to see a Clive James American anthology, for instance, or one by Christopher Ricks. It'll never happen, of course, but it would be good to see something edited by a reader/critic of poetry (well, Vendler fits this description, I guess) instead of by a poet. And, lord, I'd like to see an anthology that sings a little. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Dec 2 19:26:08 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:26:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review Message-ID: <43b3.1a755218.3c0ac6a0@cs.com> In a message dated 12/2/2011 5:55:31 PM Central Standard Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > Singing, did you say...the Library of America is has published two volumes > of 20C poetry (thus far) and they're only up to May Swenson (b.1913) Their > contents pages, Vol. I and Vol. II, listed below, have the likes of W.C. > Handy and Cole Porter... > > > http://www.loa.org/volume.jsp?RequestID=140 > > > > Hollander, thank god. But I'm not talking about singing singing. I'm talking about singing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 20:15:37 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:15:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1322874937.32366.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... > > Jessica > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM > > or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... > > > And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your > window of opportunity, stick > your head out, and > shout, 'I'm > mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > Beckett did one like-- > > When will the window of opportunity reopen? > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson > >* wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry List" > > > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM > > > Kafka did one like-- > > This window of opportunity was opened just for you. > Now it is closing forever. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- > > Mayan Calander > (12./25/2011) > > > The window of opportunity > will not reopen until further repairs. > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson > >* wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, > "Poetryetc" > > > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's call it /Anthology of Un-American Poetry./ > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,//Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , > /Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > /, > /Mainly Black > , > /Obras P?blicas > ; > //The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet > ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; ////The > Dance of the Red Swan ;/ > /Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Alexander Dickow > > wrote: > > Personally, I like the Dove response, but I'd much rather see an > Anthology of American Poetry that's considerably less...American. > Amicalement, > Alex > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com " > > > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2011 6:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's > review > > In a message dated 12/2/2011 4:51:34 PM Central Standard Time, > mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: >> >> Dove acquits herself with skill and gives better than she got. >> > > The main problem, as I see it, is that Dove has been an AWP > insider (and former president 1986-87) for at least 30 years, and > she's probably got personal associations with most of the poets > born since 1940. If word gets out that you're editing something > like this, it's awfully hard to avoid all the suppliants > ("Please! I'm up for tenure/promotion, and I NEED this > publication."). Probably the best anthology might be edited by > someone who's outside or above the fray. I'd love to see a Clive > James American anthology, for instance, or one by Christopher > Ricks. It'll never happen, of course, but it would be good to see > something edited by a reader/critic of poetry (well, Vendler fits > this description, I guess) instead of by a poet. And, lord, I'd > like to see an anthology that /sings/ a little. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv1316279689 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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I think it too bad the the NY Review of Books gives space to articles like Vendler?s and Dove?s when there are so many around who could write much more interestingly about current American poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Dec 3 09:43:41 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:43:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review Message-ID: <20167989.1322923422089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although both awards have only one winner, each of these poets deserves his or her own award. Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Established+masters+voices/5771053/story.html#ixzz1fUAvsN00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amanda at surkont.com Sat Dec 3 10:26:48 2011 From: amanda at surkont.com (Amanda Surkont) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 07:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review In-Reply-To: <20167989.1322923422089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20167989.1322923422089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1322926008.92219.YahooMailNeo@web1206.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have not read the anthology, so I am not sure what the "front matter" included. It does seem that Rita Dove might have thought to include a statement in the front that spoke to choices and to mention that rights, for some work were not financially feasible to attain.? An anthology of this magnitude will generate so many opinions of what "should have" been included and a simple bit of discussion does seem important here. best, manda I also posted this to the Wom-Po mailing list. ________________________________ From: "junction at earthlink.net" To: NewPoetry List Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review It's the last place to go to for poetry or poetry criticism. I subscribe to the NYRB for its social sciences reviews (really essays), which are usually top flight. I read their poetry reviews when I want to get annoyed. But it's a strange institution. Friends who have written for them tell me it's like the court of an absolute monarch. A limited number of favorites get to write articles, and they are very much limited in what they are assigned. Geoffrey O'Brien, who's a pretty good poet (and editor of the Library of America), gets to write about popular culture, for instance, but not literature. Mark -----Original Message----- >From: bob grumman >Sent: Dec 2, 2011 7:21 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review > > >I don?t see that Dove defended her choices?she just denied the validity of what she perceived to be Vendler?s criticisms? (e.g., she does so like Stevens?s poetry)?which were sensible enough, but trivial.? I think it too bad the the NY Review of Books gives space to articles like Vendler?s and Dove?s when there are so many around who could write much more interestingly about current American poetry. >? >--Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Dec 3 10:51:57 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:51:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering Ruth Stone on NPR Message-ID: <8CE7FEA9F009EFD-1158-1B269@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/2011/11/28/142864291/remembering-poet-ruth-stone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Dec 3 11:14:11 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:14:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review In-Reply-To: <8CE7F64FB0446F5-D0C-AFE1@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> References: <1f80.2702ebaa.3c0ab7f1@cs.com> <8CE7F64FB0446F5-D0C-AFE1@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6070749ACFFA41B295BF7257F71B07E0@BobHP> From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:55 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review Singing, did you say...the Library of America is has published two volumes of 20C poetry (thus far) and they're only up to May Swenson (b.1913) Their contents pages, Vol. I and Vol. II, listed below, have the likes of W.C. Handy and Cole Porter... How do the editors characterize their rationale for inclusion/exclusion? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 11:41:45 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] King on Rich - Poetry Foundation In-Reply-To: <1322859526.21918.YahooMailClassic@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1322858887.67908.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1322859526.21918.YahooMailClassic@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322930505.93183.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Glad you enjoyed it, Stephen - thanks for the DC update! ________________________________ From: stephen russell? Excellent, Amy. I love the sound wave images ... the Occupy K street people are still in the park on K street, D.C. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, amy king wrote: > >No Place for the Little Lyric:? Should Adrienne Rich be the poet laureate of the Occupy movement? > >-- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 > > > >? >"Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." >???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) >___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 12:11:53 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds Message-ID: <1322932313.40182.YahooMailClassic@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> & she won a pulitzer + McArthur. Deserved both. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:51 AM for instance, Parks had a project called 365 plays in 365 days. One has a soldier marching back and forth in front of The Window of Opportunity ... back and forth ... back and forth ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:07 PM correction: Drama, Suzi-Lori Parks. I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv1191516688 body, #yiv1191516688 td, #yiv1191516688 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input:hover, #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input:focus, #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input.yiv1191516688searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform input.yiv1191516688searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform div.yiv1191516688poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform div.yiv1191516688poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv1191516688 #yiv1191516688searchform div.yiv1191516688poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... 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One has a soldier marching back and forth in front of The Window of Opportunity ... back and forth ... back and forth ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:07 PM correction: Drama, Suzi-Lori Parks. I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv1436238116 body, #yiv1436238116 td, #yiv1436238116 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input:hover, #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input:focus, #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input.yiv1436238116searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform input.yiv1436238116searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform div.yiv1436238116poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform div.yiv1436238116poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv1436238116 #yiv1436238116searchform div.yiv1436238116poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... 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Deserved both. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:51 AM for instance, Parks had a project called 365 plays in 365 days. One has a soldier marching back and forth in front of The Window of Opportunity ... back and forth ... back and forth ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:07 PM correction: Drama, Suzi-Lori Parks. I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv820108957 body, #yiv820108957 td, #yiv820108957 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input:hover, #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input:focus, #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input.yiv820108957searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform input.yiv820108957searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform div.yiv820108957poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform div.yiv820108957poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv820108957 #yiv820108957searchform div.yiv820108957poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... 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Another Southern writer. #1 ... novel, Faulkner #1 ... drama, Williams poetry ... = (? ) ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:18 PM ... about my age ... ever so slightly younger ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:14 PM ... wrote a novel or 2 --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:11 PM & she won a pulitzer + McArthur. Deserved both. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:51 AM for instance, Parks had a project called 365 plays in 365 days. One has a soldier marching back and forth in front of The Window of Opportunity ... back and forth ... back and forth ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:07 PM correction: Drama, Suzi-Lori Parks. I'm number 2 ... for now ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:40 AM #yiv1992750948 body, #yiv1992750948 td, #yiv1992750948 input { font-family:arial;font-size:16px;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948container { padding:5px 20px;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948header h2 { font-size:27px;color:#d0d0d0;margin:22px 0 10px;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform { width:470px;margin:0;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input { font-size:18px;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#aaa;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input:hover, #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input:focus, #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input:active { border:1px solid #888;color:#000;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input.yiv1992750948searchbox { padding:4px;width:300px;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform input.yiv1992750948searchbutton { padding:3px 10px;color:#000;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform div.yiv1992750948poweredby { float:right;width:80px;text-align:center;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform div.yiv1992750948poweredby span { font-size:10px;} #yiv1992750948 #yiv1992750948searchform div.yiv1992750948poweredby img { width:60px;} From an old world perspective, a thought: ... most gifted (not including visual/math/& limited to the 52 States) ... 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Another Southern writer. #1 ... novel, Faulkner #1 ... drama, Williams poetry ... = (? ) ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:18 PM ... about my age ... ever so slightly younger ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:14 PM ... wrote a novel or 2 --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Re: #1 in 2 worlds To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:11 PM & she won a pulitzer + McArthur. Deserved both. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:51 AM for instance, Parks had a project called 365 plays in 365 days. One has a soldier marching back and forth in front of The Window of Opportunity ... back and forth ... back and forth ... --- On Thu, 12/1/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] #1 in 2 worlds To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:07 PM correction: Drama, Suzi-Lori Parks. 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Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv1537766195 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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WiNd ... ows of opportunity ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:01 PM S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that the window of opportunity "is lived forward but understood backward." --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:10 AM ... does Hal have a bPaddy Chayefsky:lind spot? ... did he see the corruption that occured in his ... Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv1973318846 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen,?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 15:50:09 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: <1322942486.54449.YahooMailClassic@web161920.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322945409.75784.YahooMailClassic@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... lived forward ?????????????????????? ... understood backward wrote Kieregaard ?????????????? ... seen fully ?????????? in Denmark ?????????????? WiNd ... ows of opportunity ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:01 PM S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that the window of opportunity "is lived forward but understood backward." --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:10 AM ... does Hal have a bPaddy Chayefsky:lind spot? ... did he see the corruption that occured in his ... Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv996353891 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 15:59:24 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:59:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 In-Reply-To: <1322945283.36438.YahooMailClassic@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322945964.60073.YahooMailClassic@web161913.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Kierkegaard --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:48 PM ... lived forward ?????????????????????? ... understood backward wrote Kieregaard ?????????????? ... seen fully ?????????? in Denmark ?????????????? WiNd ... ows of opportunity ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:01 PM S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that the window of opportunity "is lived forward but understood backward." --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:10 AM ... does Hal have a bPaddy Chayefsky:lind spot? ... did he see the corruption that occured in his ... Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv201618190 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: ... lived forward ?????????????????????? ... understood backward wrote Kierkegaard ?????????????? ... seen fully ?????????? in Denmark ?????????????? WiNd ... ows of opportunity ... ********************************************* ? ? Kierkegaard wrote ? ? ? the window of opportunity -- --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: ?... did he see the corruption? ... ? ******************************************** --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: ? I get scared ... climb to the top ... ... When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ************************************************************ On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? ? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: ?... violation of space ? ********************************************************** And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever.? ? ? Serving the tri-state area. ? On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell? wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? Serving the tri-state area. Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. ?? Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? ? ? **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:59 PM Kierkegaard --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:48 PM ... lived forward ?????????????????????? ... understood backward wrote Kieregaard ?????????????? ... seen fully ?????????? in Denmark ?????????????? WiNd ... ows of opportunity ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:01 PM S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that the window of opportunity "is lived forward but understood backward." --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:10 AM ... does Hal have a bPaddy Chayefsky:lind spot? ... did he see the corruption that occured in his ... Paddy Chayefsky ... space ... --- On Sat, 12/3/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:02 AM I get scared ... climb to the top ... yell HELP ... --- On Fri, 12/2/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:46 PM #yiv1012849761 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}When I'm forest lonely I hug a tree. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:24 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 As Google would have it--forest solitude. I'll go for solitude rather than loneliness. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, stephen russell wrote: literally, Waldeinsamkeit means forest loneliness.... ? Jessica --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:54 PM or Hannibel saying, ... violation of space/steve R ... And Paddy Chayefsky: "Go to your?????????????????????????????????????????? window of opportunity,????????????? stick your?????????????????????????????????????????????? head out, and shout,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.'" ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, stephen russell wrote: Beckett did one like-- When will the window of opportunity reopen? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:58 PM Kafka did one like-- This window of opportunity was opened just for you. Now it is closing forever. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, stephen russell wrote: Hal, this new one sounds a little lk one of yours -- Mayan Calander ???????????????????????? (12./25/2011) The window of opportunity will not reopen until further repairs. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 11:56 AM :: Mahler's Sym. 7 (LSO/Gergiev) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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Enjoy! THE SECRET TO FINDING A PERFECT HAIRCUT First, measure your face horizontally: Round face: Length and width are about equal. * Take a newspaper Take a pair of scissors * Grab a tape measure, a piece of paper and pen. Choose an article as long as you?re planning-- starting at the top of your cheekbones. Write that number down. Then, run the tape across your face at jaw-level. Write that number down. Cut out the article * Oval face: Your face length is about 1? times longer than the width. Square face: The widths of your forehead and jawline are about equal. Then cut out each of the words that make up this article and put them in a bag Shake it gently Then take out the scraps one after the other in the order in which they left the bag Copy Conscientious * The results? Heart-shaped face: The measurements across your cheekbones and/or forehead will be the widest and your jaw will measure small and narrow. 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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:57 PM, stephen russell wrote: A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes wrote: From: James Cervantes Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM I like this. - Jim On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM ET Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest honour. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM, wrote: > The Last Violin > **** ** > The conductor doesn?t know she?s there, > sitting so far out on the stage?s wing she?s > almost out the door. And perhaps she does > wish to slip out at this moment, all her > training and practice for naught. Sitting > alone, behind the row with Joseph, who must be > pushing 80, and blond Amelia who is about to burst > she?s so pregnant, and the crazy Liu girl > no one can stand, who plays like a demon > even when the diminuendo is called for. > And yet still she raises her bow and lets > her violin sing with the others as a workmanlike > concerto rises in the hall, her better notes > never heard, being a small part of all. > > ** ** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttp://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM, wrote: The Last Violin ? The conductor doesn?t know she?s there, sitting so far out on the stage?s wing she?s almost out the door. And perhaps she does wish to slip out at this moment, all her training and practice for naught. Sitting alone, behind the row with Joseph, who must be pushing 80, and blond Amelia who is about to burst she?s so pregnant, and the crazy Liu girl no one can stand, who plays like a demon even when the diminuendo is called for. And yet still she raises her bow and lets her violin sing with the others as a workmanlike concerto rises in the hall, her better notes never heard, being a small part of all. ? ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sitting alone, behind the row with Joseph, who must be pushing 80, and blond Amelia who is about to burst she?s so pregnant, and the crazy Liu girl no one can stand, who plays like a demon even when the diminuendo is called for. And yet still she raises her bow and lets her violin sing with the others as a workmanlike concerto rises in the hall, her better notes never heard, being a small part of all. ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 18:02:43 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:02:43 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize In-Reply-To: <1322838306.16596.YahooMailClassic@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1322837850.9569.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1322838306.16596.YahooMailClassic@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, presumably distantly related. My grandfather immigrated to Mexico from Spain in the late 1800's. Need to do a genealogical search . . . maybe a dna test??? - Jim On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Is the prize named after you, James? Are you a distantly related to the > Spanish noveliest? > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:57 AM > > > A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe > with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. > > --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes * wrote: > > > From: James Cervantes > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM > > I like this. > > - Jim > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: > > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html > CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM > ET > > Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest > winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest > honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) > > Nicanor Parra, the Chilean poet and mathematician who seeks to demystify > poetry and make it accessible to a wider audience, has won the 2011 Miguel > de Cervantes Prize. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Dec 3 18:25:26 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize In-Reply-To: References: <1322837850.9569.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE8029F88E8C59-1440-23429@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Young Poets Write as you will In whatever style you like Too much blood has run under the bridge To go on believing That only one road is right. In poetry everything is permitted. With only this condition of course, You have to improve the blank page. by Nicanor Parra (trans. by Miller Williams) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:22 AM, wrote: > Posted on my blog recently... > > HUIDOBRO WAS LIKE THAT > > Don?t ask me to write with my feet > He replied > When they accused him of being too intellectual > > ?Nicanor Parra, ?XXIX,? *After-Dinner Declarations* (Host Publications, > 2008), translated by Dave Oliphant > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:25 AM, wrote: > Young Poets > > Write as you will > In whatever style you like > Too much blood has run under the bridge > To go on believing > That only one road is right. > In poetry everything is permitted. > > With only this condition of course, > You have to improve the blank page. > > by Nicanor Parra (trans. by Miller Williams) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Yes, presumably distantly related. My grandfather immigrated to Mexico > from Spain in the late 1800's. Need to do a genealogical search . . . > maybe a dna test??? > > - Jim > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM, stephen russell < > poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Is the prize named after you, James? Are you a distantly related to the >> Spanish noveliest? >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell *wrote: >> >> >> From: stephen russell >> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize >> To: "NewPoetry List" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:57 AM >> >> >> A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe >> with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes * wrote: >> >> >> From: James Cervantes >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize >> To: "NewPoetry List" >> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM >> >> I like this. >> >> - Jim >> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: >> >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html >> CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 >> PM ET >> >> Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest >> winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest >> honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) >> >> Nicanor Parra, the Chilean poet and mathematician who seeks to >> demystify poetry and make it accessible to a wider audience, has won the >> 2011 Miguel de Cervantes Prize. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >> >> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe that's all I am But listen to my last word: I take back everything I've said. With the greatest bitterness in the world I take back everything I've said. / --- translated by Miller Williams / It's worth quoting from the Wikipedia page on Parra: "He describes himself as an 'anti-poet,' due to his distaste for standard poetic pomp and function---after recitations he would exclaim /Me retracto de todo lo dicho/, or, 'I take back everything I said.'" I can certainly get behind _that_. And this one, just as I found it, which had me scratching my (not quite bald) head: *ARS POETIQUE* Du silence avant toute chose et tout le reste est musique moderniste de Poemas para combatir la calvicie. Antologia. (Santiago, 6^th ed., Fondo de Cultura Economica, 1998) -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That picture on facebook -- --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 7:34 PM Actually, Jim's a direct descendant of Don Quixote himself. As far as I know he doesn't tilt at windmills down here, but I've seen him having a run at a few microwave towers. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM, James Cervantes wrote: Yes, presumably distantly related. ?My grandfather immigrated to Mexico from Spain in the late 1800's. ?Need to do a genealogical search . . . maybe a dna test??? - Jim On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM, stephen russell wrote: Is the prize named after you, James? Are you a distantly related to the Spanish noveliest? --- On Fri, 12/2/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:57 AM A mathmatician. Note, Bob. & Parra studies cosmology at Oxford ... maybe with Stephen Hawkings ... Parra vs Neruda? I prefer Parra. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, James Cervantes wrote: From: James Cervantes Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chilean poet Nicanor Parra wins Cervantes Prize To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 6:42 AM I like this. - Jim On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/12/01/cervantes-prize-nicanor-parra.html CBC News Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 1, 2011 5:46 PM ET? Chilean poet Nicanor Parra, seen in this undated photo, is the latest winner of the Cervantes Prize, Spanish-language literature's highest honour. (Andres Sanchez/New Directions Books) ?? Nicanor Parra, the Chilean poet and mathematician who seeks to demystify poetry and make it accessible to a wider audience, has won the 2011 Miguel de Cervantes Prize. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Sol Literary Magazine:?http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Sol Literary Magazine:?http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With only this condition of course, You have to improve the blank page. by Nicanor Parra (trans. by Miller Williams) ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No lot could be sadder than mine I was defeated by my own shadow: My words took vengeance on me. Forgive me, reader, good reader If I cannot leave you With a warm embrace, I leave you With a forced and sad smile. Maybe that?s all I am But listen to my last word: I take back everything I?ve said. With the greatest bitterness in the world I take back everything I?ve said. ???????? ? translated by Miller Williams It's worth quoting from the Wikipedia page on Parra:? "He describes himself as an 'anti-poet,' due to his distaste for standard poetic pomp and function?after recitations he would exclaim Me retracto de todo lo dicho, or, 'I take back everything I said.'" I can certainly get behind _that_. And this one, just as I found it, which had me scratching my (not quite bald) head: ? ARS POETIQUE ? Du silence avant toute chose et tout le reste est musique moderniste ? ????? ??de Poemas para combatir la calvicie. Antologia. (Santiago, 6th ed., ??????? Fondo de Cultura Economica, 1998) ? ? -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 20:46:37 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:46:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] King on Rich - Poetry Foundation In-Reply-To: <1322930505.93183.YahooMailNeo@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322963197.55750.YahooMailClassic@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I drop in sometimes. My hair isn't hippie long, but longer than most of the kids, and I fit in with the older residents. --- On Sat, 12/3/11, amy king wrote: From: amy king Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] King on Rich - Poetry Foundation To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 11:41 AM Glad you enjoyed it, Stephen - thanks for the DC update! From: stephen russell? Excellent, Amy. I love the sound wave images ... the Occupy K street people are still in the park on K street, D.C. --- On Fri, 12/2/11, amy king wrote: No Place for the Little Lyric:? Should Adrienne Rich be the poet laureate of the Occupy movement? -- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 ? 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September 10, 1994).**** > Hayden Carruth (b. August 3, 1921).**** > Richard Wilbur (b. March 1, 1921).**** > Mona Van Duyn (b. May 9, 1921).**** > Frederick Morgan (b. April 25, 1922).**** > James Dickey (b. February 2, 1923, d. January 19, 1997).**** > Anthony Hecht (b. January 16, 1923).**** > Alan Dugan (b. February 12, 1923).**** > Daniel Hoffman (b. April 3, 1923).**** > Richard Hugo (1923).**** > Denise Levertov (b. October 24, 1923, d. December 20, 1999).**** > Louis Simpson (b. March 27, 1923).**** > Edgar Bowers (b. March 2, 1924, d. February 4, 2000).**** > Edward Field (b. June 7, 1924).**** > John Haines (b. June 29. 1924).**** > Gerald Stern (b. February 22, 1925).**** > Maxine Kumin (b. June 6, 1925).**** > Donald Justice (b. August 12, 1925).**** > Carolyn Kizer (b. December 10, 1925).**** > W. D. Snodgrass (b. January 5, 1926).**** > A. R. Ammons (b. February 18, 1926, d. February 25, 2001).**** > Robert Bly (b. December 23, 1926).**** > James Merrill (b. March 3, 1926, d. February 6, 1995).**** > Robert Creeley (b. May 21, 1926).**** > Allen Ginsberg (b. June 3, 1926, d. April 5, 1997).**** > Frank O'Hara (b. June 27, 1926, d. July 25, 1966).**** > John Ashbery (b. July 28, 1927).**** > Galway Kinnell (February 1, 1927).**** > W. S. Merwin (b. September 30. 1927).**** > James Wright (b. December 13, 1927, d. March 25, 1980).**** > Donald Hall (b. September 20, 1928).**** > Philip Levine (b. January 10, 1928).**** > Anne Sexton (b. November 9, 1928, d. October 4, 1974).**** > Adrienne Rich (b. May 16, 1929).**** > X. J. Kennedy (b. August 21, 1929).**** > Thom Gunn (b. August 29, 1929).**** > Gregory Corso (b. March 26, 1930, d. January 17, 2001).**** > Miller Williams (b. April 8, 1930).**** > Gary Snyder (b. May 8, 1930).**** > Rhina Espaillat (b. January 20, 1932).**** > Linda Pastan (b. May 27, 1932).**** > Sylvia Plath (b. October 27, 1932, d. February 11, 1963).**** > Gerald Barrax (b. June 21, 1933).**** > Mark Strand (b. April 11, 1934).**** > Robert Mezey (b. February 28, 1935).**** > Russell Edson (b. April 9. 1935).**** > Mary Oliver (b. September 10, 1935).**** > Fred Chappell (b. May 28, 1936).**** > Nancy Willard (b. June 26, 1936).**** > Lucille Clifton (b. June 27, 1936).**** > Susan Howe (b. June 10, 1937).**** > C. K. Williams (b. November 4, 1936).**** > Robert Phillips (b. February 2, 1938).**** > Charles Simic (b. May 9, 1938).**** > Betty Adcock (b. September 16, 1938).**** > Jared Carter (b. January 10, 1939).**** > Ted Kooser (b. April 25, 1939).**** > Stephen Dunn (b. June 24, 1939).**** > Tom Disch (b. February 2, 1940).**** > Pattiann Rogers (b. March 23, 1940).**** > Robert Pinsky (b. October 20, 1940).**** > Peter Makuck (b. October 26, 1940).**** > Robert Hass (b. March 1, 1941).**** > Billy Collins (b. March 22, 1941).**** > Gibbons Ruark (b. December 10, 1941).**** > Charles Martin (b. June 25, 1942).**** > Henry Taylor (b. June 21, 1942).**** > William Matthews (b. November 11, 1942, d. November 12, 1997).**** > Sharon Olds (b. November 19, 1942).**** > Marilyn Hacker (b. November 27, 1942).**** > Sydney Lea (b. December 22, 1942).**** > Louise Gluck (b. April 22, 1943).**** > Ellen Bryant Voigt (b. May 9, 1943).**** > Michael Palmer (b. May 11, 1943).**** > James Tate (b. December 8, 1943).**** > Shirley Geok-Lin Lim (b. December 27, 1944).**** > Robert Morgan (b. October 3, 1944).**** > Dick Davis (b. April 8, 1945).**** > Kay Ryan (b. September 11, 1945).**** > B.H. Fairchild (b. October 17, 1945).**** > Leon Stokesbury (b. December 5, 1945).**** > Marilyn Nelson (b. April 26, 1946).**** > Molly Peacock (b. June 30, 1947).**** > Ai (b. October 21, 1947).**** > Yusef Komunyakaa (b. April 29, 1947).**** > Jim Hall (b. July 4, 1947).**** > Amy Uyematsu (October 18, 1947).**** > Timothy Steele (b. January 22, 1948).**** > Albert Goldbarth (b. January 31, 1948).**** > Thomas Lux (b. December 10, 1948).**** > Wendy Rose (b. May 7, 1948).**** > Lynn Emanuel (b. March 14, 1949).**** > David St. John (b. July 24, 1949).**** > Sarah Cortez (b. February 11, 1950).**** > Rodney Jones (b. February 11, 1950).**** > Carolyn Forch? (b. April 28, 1950).**** > Chase Twichell (b. August 20, 1950).**** > Jorie Graham (b. May 9, 1950).**** > Emily Grosholz (October 17, 1950).**** > Mekeel McBride (b. July 3, 1950).**** > Timothy Murphy (b. January 10, 1950).**** > Dana Gioia (b. December 24, 1950).**** > Joy Harjo (b. May 9, 1951).**** > Naomi Shihab Nye (b. March 12, 1952).**** > Andrew Hudgins (b. April 22, 1951).**** > Judith Ortiz Cofer (b. February 24, 1952).**** > Mark Jarman (b. June 5, 1952).**** > Rita Dove (b. August 28, 1952).**** > Brad Leithauser (b. February 27, 1952).**** > Alberto R?os (b. September 18, 1952).**** > Harryette Mullen (b. ? 1953).**** > Julia Alvarez (b. March 27, 1953).**** > Mark Doty (b. August 10, 1953).**** > Gjertrud Schnackenberg (b. August 27, 1953).**** > Kim Addonizio (b. July 31, 1954).**** > Michael Donaghy (b. May 24, 1954).**** > Mary Jo Salter (b. August 15, 1954).**** > David Mason (b. December 11, 1954).**** > Ginger Andrews (b. May 16, 1956).**** > H. L. Hix (b. November 24, 1960).**** > Denise Duhamel (b. June 13, 1961).**** > Catherine Tufariello (b. April 9, 1963).**** > Greg Williamson (b. June 26, 1964).**** > Raphael Campo (b. November 24, 1964).**** > Christian Wiman (b. August 31, 1966).**** > Diane Thiel (b. May 9, 1967).**** > Suji Kwock Kim (b. ? 1968).**** > A. E. Stallings (b. July 2, 1968).**** > Wilmer Mills (b. October 1, 1969).**** > Morrie Creech (b. September 15, 1970).**** > Beth Ann Fennelly (b. May 22, 1971).**** > ** ** > -----Original Message----- > From: Rsgwynn1 > To: new-poetry > Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gioia, Mason, & Schoerke's Century > > You can access my and April's table of contents here. We tried to > represent almost every school (except visual poetry) written by poets born > since 1920 (well, Swenson, whom Bob is tepid about). After all these > years, we still haven't cleared our permissions costs and have received no > royalties from the book. I thought it was a fair (all things being > relative) toc, but obviously you have to make some compromises, pay some > old debts, etc. We did include an appendix about contemporary "schools" of > poetry, in some cases pointing readers towards poets we weren't able to > include. 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Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, It was no surprise to me to find out from the article that neither of these two is doing anything significantly new in form and content. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:55 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review Singing, did you say...the Library of America is has published two volumes of 20C poetry (thus far) and they're only up to May Swenson (b.1913) Their contents pages, Vol. I and Vol. II, listed below, have the likes of W.C. Handy and Cole Porter... How do the editors characterize their rationale for inclusion/exclusion? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The editorial advisory board includes the very distinguished poets and scholars Robert Hass, John Hollander, Carolyn Kizer, Nathaniel Mackey, and Marjorie Perloff. -- No specifics given but clearly they're trying to do things by a 'committee of temperaments/tastes'. (The vispo constituency perhaps excepted.) Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:55 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Rita Dove responds to Helen Vendler's review ? Singing, did you say...the Library of America is has published two volumes of 20C poetry (thus far) and they're only up to May Swenson (b.1913) Their contents pages, Vol. I and Vol. II, listed below, have the likes of W.C. Handy and Cole Porter... ? 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No, when White folks write about themselves, they are writing about America. They are writing about unraced universal experience. They are writing about the ultimate human existence. ~ Now, it?s not that Black folks aren?t human; only the meanest White person would say something like that. But what?s implied is that cultural production assumes humanity from the start. It also assumes something else: privilege. In Rita Dove?s introduction to her anthology, she assumes her own kind of privilege, intellectual privilege, and her right to claim that privilege galls Helen Vendler, for if Blacks and other poets of color are not included in Dove?s anthology because of multiculturalism, but rather, on their literary merit alone, then the whole American literary landscape not only changes in the present, it also reconfigures the past. And Helen Vendler and others like her are terrified of that prospect. --From Honor?e Fanonne Jeffers? http://networkedblogs.com/r06EP ~ ? I wrote elsewhere (w only time to cut / paste now) a few haphazard thoughts that speak to these larger issues too: I thought Dove was kind. Vendler's assessment stuck me as elitist and racist on my first read. Second and third reads confirm. Dove could have been harsher in reply. I hope others call Vendler out on this (esp as Vendler's represents a larger trend) though across-the-board the general focus seems to be on Dove's error by omission instead [see Jeffers' above]. That's the business, I suppose. The parameters of who is "great," and how we assert that monumental status (as well as who gets to do so), are quite narrow (& defined historically) [again, see Jeffers' above].? Why worry about the nearly-unchecked perpetuation of bias for decades or who has been omitted from the canon / the publishing world down the years because of that bias (something Dove is cursorily addressing in the making of this anthology) when we can focus on the in's and out's of how Plath and Ginsberg have been left out in the cold ad nauseum...? [that aspect of the debate seems to boil down to:? Dove was wrong not to have spent the money or Dove was right to have omitted - ** so what other issues does the anthology raise? **] There has been a lot of detailed, micro-discussion over why Plath and Ginsberg were omitted and how to remedy that, AT THE EXCLUSION OF the very appearance & existence of this anthology and how it's a drop in the bucket towards addressing (remedying?) a publishing / canonical history that has excluded numerous writers who were never supported / encouraged and only peripherally published, if at all. Vendler, unknowingly, touches on this in her critique of Dove's including 'angry black poets,' bc, god forbid an across-the-board selection of representations would actually reflect a history of black poets writing in response to a country that historically repressed and beat them back, did not encourage long-term publishing careers, etc.? Those poets couldn't be considered worthy of anthology-status... Dove's anthology raises more questions than have been touched on.? How many uncelebrated (even celebrated black writers, like ZNHurston, beloved for a spell only to die in poverty) were cast aside by the literary world and died unknown?? Why?? How many have been omitted from anthologies / curriculum for not meeting Vendler's, and critics like her, criteria for "greatness"?? How many others were not supported / published / encouraged?? What does it mean to be "great" in the history of American poetry?? Influence?? Wide-publishing history?? Accessibility?? What is "universal" appeal?? How does the regulation / perpetuation / cultivation of "universal" appeal and "popularity" exclude? I wonder how the appearance of this anthology, orchestrated within and beyond the usual expectations of the usual anthologies (& how anthologies serve to cultivate readers) -- and what it says as a response to the sacred canon, isn't at play more predominantly.? It raises very large questions, more than I can imagine right now, that seem to be unnoticed and ignored for the little Plath / Ginsberg bush in front of the forest. They certainly add to the American poetry landscape, but are there other details to consider too?? To cite a white guy (& give my questions some merit), Eliot himself might investigate how its appearance affects that entire body of literature AND what it uncovers / reveals (a la Tradition and the Individual Talent) - but very few are doing so. ________________________________ From: Wendy Babiak I found this to be an important perspective: http://networkedblogs.com/r06EP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 14:16:55 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:16:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry In-Reply-To: <5B14C90AEC4340CB8CA7740D8ADB9EFE@BobHP> Message-ID: <1323026215.12266.YahooMailClassic@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? It was no surprise to me to find out from the article that neither of these two is doing anything significantly new in form and content. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 14:58:09 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:58:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry In-Reply-To: <1323026215.12266.YahooMailClassic@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323028689.86269.YahooMailClassic@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? 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I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? 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Keating ... Bergman ... Zep concerts ... Zappa concerts ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:58 PM It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? It was no surprise to me to find out from the article that neither of these two is doing anything significantly new in form and content. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(invent a new esperanto ... if poetry is being done in an emerging language ... maybe) ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:44 PM Significantly new ... in form & content ... No ... one ... in fact ... not even ... since the Sebastion site is multi-media ... all of it has been done ... Chaplin ... Keating ... Bergman ... Zep concerts ... Zappa concerts ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:58 PM It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 16:09:30 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:09:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry In-Reply-To: <1323032214.78734.YahooMailClassic@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323032970.94243.YahooMailClassic@web161910.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Paradigm Shift O my darling O my darling O my darling Paradigm She has left me Now I'm wanting O my darling Paradigm O my darling Now I'm crawling O my darling Paradigm when I'm writing she's just chiming O my darling Paradigm O my darling O my darling O my darling whereintime I have lost her Now she's longing O my darling Clementime --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:56 PM which might qualify as a paradigm shift (paradigm shift) the most overused word in the English language ... para ... dime ... para ... dime ... if I had a life I'd purchase one right now ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:49 PM & to quote Derrida ... who may have been misquoting ... books are about other books ... (invent a new esperanto ... if poetry is being done in an emerging language ... maybe) ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:44 PM Significantly new ... in form & content ... No ... one ... in fact ... not even ... since the Sebastion site is multi-media ... all of it has been done ... Chaplin ... Keating ... Bergman ... Zep concerts ... Zappa concerts ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:58 PM It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? It was no surprise to me to find out from the article that neither of these two is doing anything significantly new in form and content. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(invent a new esperanto ... if poetry is being done in an emerging language ... maybe) ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:44 PM Significantly new ... in form & content ... No ... one ... in fact ... not even ... since the Sebastion site is multi-media ... all of it has been done ... Chaplin ... Keating ... Bergman ... Zep concerts ... Zappa concerts ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:58 PM It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? It was no surprise to me to find out from the article that neither of these two is doing anything significantly new in form and content. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 17:20:54 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry In-Reply-To: <1323034645.94536.YahooMailClassic@web161910.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323037254.40348.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> with coda ... repeat 3 ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 4:37 PM correction: Paradigm Shift O my darling O my darling O my darling Paradigm She has left me Now I'm wanting O my darling Paradigm O my darling Now I'm crawling O my darling Paradigm when I'm writing she's just chiming O my darling Paradigm O my darling O my darling O my darling whereintime Now I've have lost her Now she's longing O my darling Clementime wronging she's now eating cheese chow jkjieldf-ejugoemz'e said to me we're all frowning when jkjieldf-ejugoemz'e drowning O my darling Paradigm --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 4:09 PM Paradigm Shift O my darling O my darling O my darling Paradigm She has left me Now I'm wanting O my darling Paradigm O my darling Now I'm crawling O my darling Paradigm when I'm writing she's just chiming O my darling Paradigm O my darling O my darling O my darling whereintime I have lost her Now she's longing O my darling Clementime --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:56 PM which might qualify as a paradigm shift (paradigm shift) the most overused word in the English language ... para ... dime ... para ... dime ... if I had a life I'd purchase one right now ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:49 PM & to quote Derrida ... who may have been misquoting ... books are about other books ... (invent a new esperanto ... if poetry is being done in an emerging language ... maybe) ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 3:44 PM Significantly new ... in form & content ... No ... one ... in fact ... not even ... since the Sebastion site is multi-media ... all of it has been done ... Chaplin ... Keating ... Bergman ... Zep concerts ... Zappa concerts ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:58 PM It's Nic_Sebastion ... I assumed she wanted to filter me ... now I'm enoying silent video poems & sound poems ... as Anny, quoting Nietzhe said ... chaos ... d ,,, a ,,, n ... c ... ing ... stars ... --- On Sun, 12/4/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 2:16 PM O.k. ... who's doing the significant work ... form, or content, since it's neither of the two poets below? We've named names, explored sight/sound, & googled ... what's not? --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:33 PM ? ? From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:28 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: nominees for Quebec Writers' Federation A.M.Klein Prize for Poetry ? S?ren Kierkegaard famously wrote that life is lived forward but understood backward. Among the finalists for this year's Governor General's Literary Award for Poetry and Quebec Writers' Federation A.M. Klein Prize for Poetry, standouts include poets on both ends of the forward/backward spectrum. Emerging poets like Gabe Foreman and Garry Thomas Morse are beginning their artistic journey forward by forging new poetic ground in form and content, ? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Dec 4 18:00:39 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:00:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: <1323024872.42800.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323024872.42800.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No specifics given but clearly they're trying to do things by a 'committee of temperaments/tastes'. (The vispo constituency perhaps excepted.) Definitely excepted?Hollander is a formalist, and what visual poetry he did is pre-18th-century. Probably even Marjorie Perloff knows more about serious visual poet in America after 1950 than he. But this series is still pre-1950, isn?t it? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Sun Dec 4 20:25:45 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:25:45 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: References: <1323024872.42800.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I remember Hollander's book of Concrete poems of the George Herbert style, it was remaindered at now defunct used book stores. Today, this book is valuable. Say you bought the lot for a buck a pop, well, by now you'd sellthem for a tidy sum. I believe a bird picture-poem graced its cover; either a swan or a parrot, I cannot recall. From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:00:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes No specifics given but clearly they're trying to do things by a 'committee of temperaments/tastes'. (The vispo constituency perhaps excepted.) Definitely excepted?Hollander is a formalist, and what visual poetry he did is pre-18th-century. Probably even Marjorie Perloff knows more about serious visual poet in America after 1950 than he. But this series is still pre-1950, isn?t it? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 21:28:26 2011 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:28:26 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parra In-Reply-To: <8CE8029878FE869-1440-233AD@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE8029878FE869-1440-233AD@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I Warn You that first of all in everything I write I am hanging from the wing of a fly that second of all in everything I write I am hanging from the wing of a fly or rather I am clinging tooth and nail that third of all in everything I write I am hanging from the wing of a fly etc etc >From Something Like That THE TRUE PROBLEM of philosophy is who does the dishes nothing otherworldly God the truth the passage of time absolutely but first, who does the dishes whoever wants to do them, go ahead see ya later, alligator and we're right back to being enemies Nicandor Parra *Antipoems: How to look better & feel great tr. Liz Werner, New Directions * On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > Posted on my blog recently... > > HUIDOBRO WAS LIKE THAT > > Don?t ask me to write with my feet > He replied > When they accused him of being too intellectual > > ?Nicanor Parra, ?XXIX,? *After-Dinner Declarations* (Host Publications, > 2008), translated by Dave Oliphant > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 23:37:08 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:37:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Parra Message-ID: <26957098.1323059828630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carol.dorf at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 23:48:25 2011 From: carol.dorf at gmail.com (carol dorf) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:48:25 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parra In-Reply-To: <26957098.1323059828630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26957098.1323059828630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The last stanza in Spanish el que quiera lavarlos que los lave chao pescao y tan enemigos como antes On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:37 PM, wrote: > Great! > > Is it bilingual? If so, what's the Spanish she renders as "see ya later > alligator?" Which I think is brilliant. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol dorf ** > Sent: Dec 4, 2011 9:28 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Parra > > I Warn You > > that first of all in everything I write > I am hanging from the wing of a fly > > that second of all in everything I write > I am hanging from the wing of a fly > or rather I am clinging tooth and nail > > that third of all in everything I write > I am hanging from the wing of a fly > > etc etc > > From Something Like That > > THE TRUE PROBLEM of philosophy > is who does the dishes > > nothing otherworldly > > God > the truth > the passage of time > absolutely > but first, who does the dishes > > whoever wants to do them, go ahead > see ya later, alligator > and we're right back to being enemies > > > > Nicandor Parra *Antipoems: How to look better & feel great > tr. Liz Werner, New Directions > * > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > >> Posted on my blog recently... >> >> HUIDOBRO WAS LIKE THAT >> >> Don?t ask me to write with my feet >> He replied >> When they accused him of being too intellectual >> >> ?Nicanor Parra, ?XXIX,? *After-Dinner Declarations* (Host Publications, >> 2008), translated by Dave Oliphant >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wilbur/Hollander ... these type of poets must have been born during that grim Virgo month ... & there I almost show empathy. --- On Sun, 12/4/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 6:00 PM No specifics given but clearly they're trying to do things by a 'committee of temperaments/tastes'. (The vispo constituency perhaps excepted.) Definitely excepted?Hollander is a formalist, and what visual poetry he did is pre-18th-century.? Probably even Marjorie Perloff knows more about serious visual poet in America after 1950 than he.? But this series is still pre-1950, isn?t it? ? --Bob ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cvoisine at nmsu.edu Mon Dec 5 10:07:32 2011 From: cvoisine at nmsu.edu (Connie Voisine) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:07:32 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Christopher Logue obit In-Reply-To: <8CE80ED0AF43E6A-20C0-3A680@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE80ED0AF43E6A-20C0-3A680@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: that illiad project is fantastic. has anyone read alice dart's version of the illiad? c On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/dec/03/poet-christopher-logue-dies > > > Christopher Logue, the poet and playwright who called himself the "rewrite > man", has died at the age of 85 at his home in London. > > He was dubbed the "Alexander Pope of his day" by AN Wilson and was regarded > one of the country's leading poets > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Connie Voisine Associate Professor of English New Mexico State University cvoisine at nmsu.edu 575-646-2027 From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 11:27:12 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabriel gudding) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:27:12 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art & the limits of neuroscience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Might find this interesting too: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/need-to-create-get-a-constraint/ On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/art-and-the-limits-of-neuroscience/?ref=opinion > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:11:47 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabriel gudding) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:11:47 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sheila, Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's *Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things* the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : "*Nonidentity* is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control.... The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: > Dear Gabriel: > > Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot > more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. > And now I'm curious exactly *what *you think I have been trying to get > through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly > energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it > brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which > was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the > thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in > time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art *is*connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I > liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's > formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I > really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the > problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense > to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with > the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems > so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you > wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: > > > It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, > ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, > creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I > see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the > most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to > be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically > vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning > combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen > Jay Gould. :) > > because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, > quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that > melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to > wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler > heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as > "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective > appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he > is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who > could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer > plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. > Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The > Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed > with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do > (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: > "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire > to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into > an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are > actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once > marvellous* and* monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function > of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, > and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of > being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that > art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and > Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel > and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. > Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry > spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in *Memoir of an > Egotist*, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring > passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no > view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely > because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the > state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way > attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, > their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to > which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with > pleasure: > > > > *As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature > . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon > the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this > sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my > knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la > r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be > imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, > since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it > for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to > memory. * > > > > in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with > unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the > linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even > metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both > dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or > organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces > this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind > of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. > Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of > crystallization: > > > *At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into > one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out > covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger > than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. > The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called > crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that > happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... * > > > > A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the > "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is > pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much lthe > way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, > more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who wrote the > essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: ?It is > an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the > loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that > takes all data * *("everything that happens") and concentrates it into > one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a > twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently *a > process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most > actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, > condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the > missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of > forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia"* > > > * > * > > This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of > alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- > because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or > contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and > simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about > that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about > art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art > is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of > generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order > to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. > > > (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not > revolutionary....) > > > Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny > directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm > trying to say--and/or say it better! > > > Best, > > > sheila > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 > From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation > > > Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re > Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing > things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: > Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that > book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my > thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it > resonates with you. - g > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:14:29 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabriel gudding) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: *http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9* warmly, gabe On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: > Hi Sheila, > > Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: > > The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the > wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that > (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, > since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the > more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were > a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. > > Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's *Vibrant Mattter: A Political > Ecology of Things* the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW > seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new > conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated > consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities > of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in > Bennett, as it speaks to this : > > "*Nonidentity* is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to > knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive > force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno > describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are > haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being > forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of > representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's > concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and > control.... > The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern > nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). > > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: > >> Dear Gabriel: >> >> Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot >> more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. >> And now I'm curious exactly *what *you think I have been trying to get >> through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly >> energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it >> brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which >> was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the >> thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in >> time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art *is*connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I >> liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's >> formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I >> really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the >> problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense >> to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with >> the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems >> so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you >> wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: >> >> >> It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, >> ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, >> creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I >> see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the >> most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to >> be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically >> vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning >> combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen >> Jay Gould. :) >> >> because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for >> me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that >> melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to >> wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler >> heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as >> "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective >> appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he >> is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who >> could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer >> plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. >> Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The >> Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed >> with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do >> (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: >> "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire >> to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into >> an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are >> actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once >> marvellous* and* monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function >> of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, >> and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of >> being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that >> art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and >> Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel >> and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. >> Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry >> spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in *Memoir of an >> Egotist*, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring >> passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no >> view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely >> because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the >> state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way >> attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, >> their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to >> which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with >> pleasure: >> >> >> >> *As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature >> . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon >> the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this >> sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my >> knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la >> r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be >> imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, >> since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it >> for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to >> memory. * >> >> >> >> in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with >> unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the >> linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even >> metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both >> dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or >> organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces >> this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind >> of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. >> Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of >> crystallization: >> >> >> *At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into >> one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out >> covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger >> than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. >> The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called >> crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that >> happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... * >> >> >> >> A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the >> "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is >> pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much >> lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more >> striking, more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who >> wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: >> ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception >> of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention >> that takes all data * *("everything that happens") and concentrates it >> into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking >> a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently *a >> process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most >> actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the >> single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent >> the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series >> of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia"* >> >> >> * >> * >> >> This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of >> alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- >> because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or >> contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and >> simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about >> that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about >> art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art >> is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of >> generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order >> to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. >> >> >> (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not >> revolutionary....) >> >> >> Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny >> directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm >> trying to say--and/or say it better! >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> sheila >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 >> From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation >> >> >> Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re >> Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing >> things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: >> Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that >> book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my >> thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it >> resonates with you. - g >> _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:23:58 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:23:58 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , Message-ID: Gabriel: Please don't worry about falling off the planet--I think everyone did for the holidays. That old t-day. I like this passage a lot, like the word titrate, too. Ah, I'm such a sucker for the holidays--I think I'm AGREEING to AGREE! Warmly, Sheila Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9 warmly,gabe On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: Hi Sheila, Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : "Nonidentity is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control.... The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: Dear Gabriel: Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. And now I'm curious exactly what you think I have been trying to get through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art is connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen Jay Gould. :) because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once marvellous and monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in Memoir of an Egotist, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with pleasure: As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to memory. in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of crystallization: At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that takes all data ("everything that happens") and concentrates it into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently a process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia" This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not revolutionary....) Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm trying to say--and/or say it better! Best, sheila Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it resonates with you. - g _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:33:34 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:33:34 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , Message-ID: Oh, but to add one more thing--the inability to agree entirely rearing its stubborn head again--I think my skepticism here--or desire to reserve--would be around what happens to "thought" or "feeling" or how "thought" and "feeling" become directed when they enter a public or public-spirited discourse--a little of Stendahl here--the need to reserve in obscurity, a mute space for the relic of "art" to develop without clear direction. Kind of what Jared Lanier points out about the problem with the internet--that systems--of language, of bytes, of communication are often more coercive of thought than they initially appear--hence the need always for a profitable tension between individual and group--or what have you--tension or opposition as a necessary even organic component of any system.... Well, I can probably come up with a more articulate way of saying that, though perhaps not now-- Best, Sheila Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9 warmly,gabe On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: Hi Sheila, Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : "Nonidentity is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control.... The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: Dear Gabriel: Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. And now I'm curious exactly what you think I have been trying to get through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art is connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen Jay Gould. :) because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once marvellous and monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in Memoir of an Egotist, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with pleasure: As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to memory. in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of crystallization: At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that takes all data ("everything that happens") and concentrates it into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently a process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia" This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not revolutionary....) Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm trying to say--and/or say it better! Best, sheila Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it resonates with you. - g _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because, of course, I was confugue-ing constraint with restraint. - Jim On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: > Might find this interesting too: > > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/need-to-create-get-a-constraint/ > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> >> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/art-and-the-limits-of-neuroscience/?ref=opinion >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Dec 5 13:12:20 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:12:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Think no one reads poetry? Try scholarship. Message-ID: <28258587-44E6-4AE7-81F3-6F2748EACCA5@mikesnider.org> There are many university folks on the list, so I suspect this isn't really new to some: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Research-Bust/129930/ www.mikesnider.org From junction at earthlink.net Mon Dec 5 14:08:52 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:08:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Art & the limits of neuroscience Message-ID: <23563182.1323112132492.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 14:49:08 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:49:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Think no one reads poetry? Try scholarship. In-Reply-To: <28258587-44E6-4AE7-81F3-6F2748EACCA5@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <1323114548.86057.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> just glimpsed the article ... so far ... as far as I know, poetry is one of the most googled subjects out there. In the top 5. Everyone wants to be a poet. Everyone wants to express themselves. You see, it's all about self-expression. I spoke to a young lady recently. She had her self-published book at an open mike reading. The book was entitled Emotions. As you might expect, this young lady was perfectly competent at the art of self-expression. For every emotion, she had something to express. Never-mind that the writing was incredibly trite. I asked her who some of her favorite poets were. That, of course, drew a blank, her eyes, I'm afraid, betraying a dumbfounded emotion. --- On Mon, 12/5/11, Michael Snider wrote: From: Michael Snider Subject: [New-Poetry] Think no one reads poetry? Try scholarship. To: "New Poetry" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 1:12 PM There are many university folks on the list, so I suspect this isn't really new to some: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Research-Bust/129930/ www.mikesnider.org _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 15:26:44 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323116804.14925.YahooMailClassic@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... haven't been following the entire conversation, but since we're kindred spirits, this might add some flavor: ******************************************************************************** +?????????????????? +??? +???????????????????????????????????? +??? +++++++++++ +?????????????????? +????? +?????????????????????????????? +??????? + +?????????????????? +?? ???? +????????????????????????? +?????????? + +?????????????????? +???? ???? +???????????????????? +????????????? + +?????????????????? + ????? ???? +??????????????? +???????????????? +++++++ +?????????????????? +???????? ???? +?????????? +??????????????????? + +?????????????????? +??????????? ???? +???? +?????????????????????? + ++++++++? ?? + ??????????? ?? ??? +?????????????????????????? +++++++++++ ******************************************************************************** --- On Mon, 12/5/11, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 12:33 PM Oh, but to add one more thing--the inability to agree entirely rearing its stubborn head again--I think my skepticism here--or desire to reserve--would be around what happens to "thought" or "feeling" or how "thought" and "feeling" become directed when they enter a public or public-spirited discourse--a little of Stendahl here--the need to reserve in obscurity, a mute space for the relic of "art" to develop without clear direction.? Kind of what Jared Lanier points out about the problem with the internet--that systems--of language, of bytes, of communication are often more coercive of thought than they initially appear--hence the need always for a profitable tension between individual and group--or what have you--tension or opposition as a necessary even organic component of any system.... Well, I can probably come up with a more articulate way of saying that, though perhaps not now-- Best, Sheila Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. ?will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9 warmly,gabe On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: Hi Sheila, Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. ? Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things?the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : "Nonidentity is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control....? The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: Dear Gabriel: Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot more than saying "Foucault was wrong"? to make me feel insulted by a tone.? And now I'm curious exactly what you think I have been trying to get through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly energetic.? I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art is connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests.? I? liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain;? the problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense to me.? It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems so peculiarly tied to modernity.? I was thinking that the part of what you wrote last time that I? most want to keep thinking about is: It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen Jay Gould. :) because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective appeals to me most.? John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns.? You, me, I, they.? Lately--maybe because of reading that? Julianna Sphar book The Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: "I am not I/I am you.").? And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once marvellous and monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time.? Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry spell in the middle...like life..."? has a passage in Memoir of an Egotist, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no view of special interest.? He says these passages are vital precisely because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the state of ?reverie?? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with pleasure: ? As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to memory. ? in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, ?even metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or organized around the life of an idea or ideal.? And yet the novel induces this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation.? Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of crystallization: At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... ? A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure? fixity of crystal. Much lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, more affecting of "the things of life".? ?Nicholas Dame (who wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory:? ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that takes all data ?("everything that happens") and concentrates it into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently a process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia" This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not revolutionary....) Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny directions.? Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm trying to say--and/or say it better! Best, sheila Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it resonates with you. - g _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Dec 5 16:05:32 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:05:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: <1323089549.76432.YahooMailClassic@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323089549.76432.YahooMailClassic@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E2B88DABB654F809351FD14A439335D@BobHP> what I remember of Hollander's visual (concrete) poetry was the perfection ... he did a swan ... perfect sculpter ... another too perfect poet ... I tend to agree, Stephen, except that I?d call him too literal. I don?t have any of his poems (except those in some of the anthologies I have and don?t feel like hunting through), and I can?t remember his very forgetful visual poems I strongly suspect what they visually depict is the same as, or closely connected to, what they verbally depict, a common defect of poets doing visual poetry who are either inexperienced at it, and have no talent for it. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don?t have any of his poems (except those in some of the anthologies I have and don?t feel like hunting through), and I can?t remember his very forgetful visual poems I strongly suspect what they visually depict is the same as, or closely connected to, what they verbally depict, a common defect of poets doing visual poetry who are either inexperienced at it, and have no talent for it. ? --Bob ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:26:44 -0800 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation ... haven't been following the entire conversation, but since we're kindred spirits, this might add some flavor: ******************************************************************************** + + + + +++++++++++ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +++++++ + + + + + + + + + + ++++++++ + + +++++++++++ ******************************************************************************** --- On Mon, 12/5/11, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 12:33 PM Oh, but to add one more thing--the inability to agree entirely rearing its stubborn head again--I think my skepticism here--or desire to reserve--would be around what happens to "thought" or "feeling" or how "thought" and "feeling" become directed when they enter a public or public-spirited discourse--a little of Stendahl here--the need to reserve in obscurity, a mute space for the relic of "art" to develop without clear direction. Kind of what Jared Lanier points out about the problem with the internet--that systems--of language, of bytes, of communication are often more coercive of thought than they initially appear--hence the need always for a profitable tension between individual and group--or what have you--tension or opposition as a necessary even organic component of any system.... Well, I can probably come up with a more articulate way of saying that, though perhaps not now-- Best, Sheila Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9 warmly,gabe On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: Hi Sheila, Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : "Nonidentity is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control.... The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: Dear Gabriel: Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. And now I'm curious exactly what you think I have been trying to get through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art is connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen Jay Gould. :) because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once marvellous and monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in Memoir of an Egotist, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with pleasure: As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to memory. in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of crystallization: At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that takes all data ("everything that happens") and concentrates it into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently a process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia" This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not revolutionary....) Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm trying to say--and/or say it better! Best, sheila Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it resonates with you. - g _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Dec 5 16:42:15 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:42:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: <1323119448.58419.YahooMailClassic@web161914.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323119448.58419.YahooMailClassic@web161914.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98524C35BDB7473BAB992AAED01318F3@BobHP> ... in other words, they're too representational, yes? Probably. But representationality could be fine?the use of words to look just like a swan in a poem the text of which was about a lonely mountain path that somehow connects to the swan in some plausible but subtle way. The way two straight-forward verbal images that don?t readily seem to have much to do with each other can triggers a haiku moment in in a good haiku. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 16:49:14 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:49:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: <98524C35BDB7473BAB992AAED01318F3@BobHP> Message-ID: <1323121754.66844.YahooMailClassic@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... yes! ... returning to the great Chinese/Japanese masters, the original vispo. Text + the pictorial rendering in a manner that does not merely mirror the text. --- On Mon, 12/5/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 4:42 PM ? ... in other words, they're too representational, yes? ? Probably.? But representationality could be fine?the use of words to look just like a swan in a poem the text of which was about a lonely mountain path that somehow connects to the swan in some plausible but subtle way.? The way two straight-forward verbal images that don?t readily seem to have much to do with each other can triggers a haiku moment in in a good haiku. ? --Bob ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 16:58:16 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabrielgudding at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:58:16 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] continuation In-Reply-To: References: <1323116804.14925.YahooMailClassic@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ditto :) liking the live thing thx Stephen! Sent from an iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 3:32 PM, sheila black wrote: > Like the LIVE! > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:26:44 -0800 > From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation > > ... haven't been following the entire conversation, but since we're kindred spirits, this might add some flavor: > > > ******************************************************************************** > > + + + + +++++++++++ > + + + + + > + + + + + > + + + + + > + + + + +++++++ > + + + + + > + + + + + > ++++++++ + + +++++++++++ > > ******************************************************************************** > > > --- On Mon, 12/5/11, sheila black wrote: > > From: sheila black > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 12:33 PM > > Oh, but to add one more thing--the inability to agree entirely rearing its stubborn head again--I think my skepticism here--or desire to reserve--would be around what happens to "thought" or "feeling" or how "thought" and "feeling" become directed when they enter a public or public-spirited discourse--a little of Stendahl here--the need to reserve in obscurity, a mute space for the relic of "art" to develop without clear direction. Kind of what Jared Lanier points out about the problem with the internet--that systems--of language, of bytes, of communication are often more coercive of thought than they initially appear--hence the need always for a profitable tension between individual and group--or what have you--tension or opposition as a necessary even organic component of any system.... > > Well, I can probably come up with a more articulate way of saying that, though perhaps not now-- > > Best, > > Sheila > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:14:29 -0600 > From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation > > accidentally sent that before adding another sentence and without signing name to it, sorry. will leave it as is but here's a link to the google books part of that passage: > > http://tinyurl.com/84ncvp9 > > warmly, > gabe > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, gabriel gudding wrote: > Hi Sheila, > > Sorry for falling off planet. Lot of things have come up. Anyway: > > The thing I reference in regards to my thick skull is you mentioning the wish to keep something reserved from inquiry. And my not understanding that (and still not) as I think that'll happen anyway as a matter of course, since the "mystery" (as it were), from all reports, continues to deepen the more is learned. We can't titrate, manage, or adjust mystery, as if it were a quantity or endangered animal. As if it could be administered. > > Was reading chpts 1 & 2 of Jane Bennett's Vibrant Mattter: A Political Ecology of Things the other day for a few classes am teaching (one CW seminar and one a theory course in CW) in which we were discussing new conceptions of self (as an aggregate of forces rather than an individuated consciousness) and how these might/likely/do alter the practical realities of writing. And I thought you might appreciate/like this passage in Bennett, as it speaks to this : > > "Nonidentity is the name Adorno gives to that which is not subject to knowledge but is instead 'heterogeneous' to all concepts. This elusive force is not, however, wholly outside human experience, for Adorno describes nonidentity as a presence that acts upon us: we knowers are haunted, he says, by a painful, nagging feeling that something's being forgotten or left out. This discomfiting sense of the inadequacy of representation remains no matter how refined or analytically precise one's concepts become.... and thus that life will always exceed our knowledge and control.... > The ethical task at hand here is to cultivate the ability to discern nonhuman vitality, to become perceptually open to it...." (p. 14, chpt 1). > > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, sheila black wrote: > Dear Gabriel: > > Please don't worry--I must be tough as old boots, but it would take a lot more than saying "Foucault was wrong" to make me feel insulted by a tone. And now I'm curious exactly what you think I have been trying to get through your thick skull, which I wouldn't call thick, more incredibly energetic. I read the chapter on Shklovsky--am I spelling that right?; it brought back to me so many things I had not thought of in a while, which was a curious kind of pleasure--maybe a bit like the feeling more of the thingness (stoneness) or the mutations of time--the sense of being more in time, one way or the other that the theory of art as somatics ("art is connected in some complex way with the body") touches on or suggests. I liked especially the part where Robinson sort of flips Shklovsky's formulation of the theory of alienation around the Bakhtinian--ohh, now I really get to feel like a pretentious intellectual-- body-in-pain; the problem of numbness flowing in a sense in all directions; that makes sense to me. It does seem interesting, though, that this need, this concern with the numbing (one way or the other--nostaligiac/analgesiac as it were) seems so peculiarly tied to modernity. I was thinking that the part of what you wrote last time that I most want to keep thinking about is: > > > It's funny: these days I'm far less paranoid about sociology, history, ethics, moral philosophy and neuroscience than I am about art, poetry, creative writing, most literary scholarship, literary life and reviews. I see VERY little liberatory power in most poetry and art. And sometimes the most politically quietistic stuff I see is the stuff that's purporting to be "experimental," "transgressive," and innovative. When it's ethically vibrant *and* aesthetically innovative, *then* we have a winning combination. But most of it, meh, I'd rather read Jane Goodall and Stephen Jay Gould. :) > > because, mostly, I agree with you there--and the problem--at least for me, quite simply--does seem one of material and capital--or maybe that melancholia of Nihilism where one can't help one's desire to create and to wish one's creations to have meaning, despite better sense and cooler heads; certainly one does not want them to have meaning simply within or as "material" or "capital," which is, oddly, where the notion of collective appeals to me most. John Berryman--I don't know if you like him at all; he is certainly not generally considered much an avant-garde figure, but who could not love some of his eccentricity of diction, not to mention sheer plagency?--that he could not write without pronouns. You, me, I, they. Lately--maybe because of reading that Julianna Sphar book The Transformation (if you read, you will see why)--I've been a little obsessed with pronouns, what they can do or not, or what changing them would do (Yes--I know--shades of Rimbaud, "Car Je est une autre," or friend Novalis: "I am not I/I am you."). And yet I am not quite convinced that the desire to feel more alive is necessarily entirely one which resolves easily into an ethical picture--for if we need to see how "deeply all of us are actually connected," we need also perhaps to see how that is at once marvellous and monstrous; it also strikes me that part of the function of art--this might seem off-topic, but it is the end of the work day here, and I get tired--is precisely to give us the space to dream--the space of being without clear intention, of letting forment and it is in this that art achieves the various somatic and psychic phenomenon both Shklovsky and Bahktin comment on--the estrangement that paradoxically allows one to feel and even stretch the sensation of seeing things or being in a time. Stendahl--I love Stendahl--who I was reminded of when you said "a long dry spell in the middle...like life..." has a passage in Memoir of an Egotist, in which he asserts that the novelist must include boring passages, much as any carriage journey contains stretches where there is no view of special interest. He says these passages are vital precisely because they allow the reader a space in which to daydream or to enter the state of ?reverie? which is so essential to the life of a novel?the way attention becomes fixed but also distracted by the surfaces of things, their obduracy, their essential silence--reverie for him, the ideal to which the novel strives, a state associated less with knowledge than with pleasure: > > > As for the new light which a novel is supposed to throw on human nature . . . well, I am very conscious of my original views and like to come upon the marginal notes which I wrote about them at a previous reading. But this sort of pleasure only holds good for the novel's function of furthering my knowledge of man, and not for its chief function of inducing reverie [la r?verie qui est le vrai plaisir du roman]. This reverie cannot be imprisoned in a marginal note. To do so is to kill it for the present, since one begins to analyse pleasure philosophically. It is also to kill it for the future, because nothing paralyzes the imagination like an appeal to memory. > > > > in other words, this pleasure?a pleasure associated from the first with unmooring, with destruction?is one of free motion, an overturning of the linear laws of narrative or cause and effect, a metaphorical, even metonymic awareness of momentariness, in which the attention is both dispersed and concentrated and the surface of the world is read or organized around the life of an idea or ideal. And yet the novel induces this by a process much like what Sklovosky describes--in this case a kind of concentration of attention that forges a strange kind of alienation. Here is Stendahl on love--his famous (wacky more than a little) theory of crystallization: > > > > At the salt mines of Salzburg, they throw a leafless wintry bough into one of the abandoned workings. Two or three months later they haul it out covered with a shining deposit of crystals. The smallest twig, no bigger than a tom-tit's claw, is studded with a galaxy of scintillating diamonds. The original branch is no longer recognizable. What I have called crystallization is a mental process which draws from everything that happens new proofs of the perfection of the loved one.... > > > > A metaphor, simple yet effective, of how the process of love turns the "other" into something of "sublime" beauty, but also, if the metaphor is pressed, to an unnatural coldness, the pure fixity of crystal. Much lthe way?in some senses?art makes something strange, but also more striking, more affecting of "the things of life". Nicholas Dame (who wrote the essay from which much of this taken) says of Stendahl?s theory: ?It is an account of love as a perceptual process--not solely perception of the loved one, but of all else; a kind of painfully winnowed attention that takes all data ("everything that happens") and concentrates it into one overriding concern. Although it is an elaborative process, taking a twig and making it unforeseeably beautiful, it is more pertinently a process of absorption and concentration that condenses, or "forgets," most actual experience....a state of concentration so intense that the single, condensed object upon which it locks its gaze does not represent the missing concept or loved one so much as replace it entirely---a series of forgettings, a substitution ?with the force of amnesia" > > > > > > This is a story of art and or beauty that is fraught with notions of alienation and solitude, loss, but one that is compelling--perhaps?-- because it encapsulates notions of estrangement and loss--created or contained through conscious attention in a way that seems to also and simultaneously create a potential of recovery. Well, I'm not sure about that last part, but one thing I tend to think--when I do think about art--is that, the ethics of the society or the larger context aside--if art is to--as in your formulation of Neitzche--possess the noble selfishness of generosity--it must extend or allow the space of dream or reverie in order to be commensurate with the real and unceasing infinitude of loss. > > > > (Or at least to transcend the general Nihilism which is not revolutionary....) > > > > Gosh, I feel like this e-mail has ended up traveling in some funny directions. Perhaps someone else will be able to figure out what I'm trying to say--and/or say it better! > > > > Best, > > > > sheila > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 > From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] continuation > > > Sheila - PS, and I'm sorry for my tone in saying "he was wrong" in re Foucault. I get a little certitude-y when it comes to that way of viewing things. Urgh. Anyway, I was reading Jane Bennett today (_Vibrant Matter: Toward a Political Ecology of Things_) and ran across some stuff in that book that really made me think of what you've been trying to get thru my thick skull. :) And later tonight I'll type some of it out, see if it resonates with you. - g > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have only to write the next poem to discover its inadequacy. To employ figurative language is to hear its implications slip away from us. To write in lines is to feel their control of intonation and stress beginning to waver. To discover one's true wildness is to feel the ghost of Callimachus bearing down. Still, these mechanisms of self-resistance are a gift, for without them we could not feel the wonder of poetry more than once. Nor could we rediscover our pleasure in the unintelligibility of the world. Imagine forgetting from second to second what we are for. Imagine a sense of vocation contingent on our need to remain unknown to ourselves. Rather than asking to be justified, poems ask us to exist. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 18:20:24 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:20:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Masterpiece? In-Reply-To: <1323117460.93175.YahooMailClassic@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323127224.44299.YahooMailClassic@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> odd, certain keystrokes get immediate email responses, such as ... shortly after i finished typing poem ... compliments of Move on.org ... Don't be evil, Google Monday, December 5, 2011 5:02 PM --- On Mon, 12/5/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Masterpiece? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:17 PM, wrote: > > http://blogs.buffalonews.com/gusto/2011/12/james-longenbach-on-the-resistance-to-poetry.html > > Rather than hand-wringing over explications and the myriad uses of poetry > in a postmodern, post-literate culture, Logenbach concludes the title essay > of "The Resistance to Poetry" with an appeal to the sense of difficulty, > pleasure, and wonder in poetry: > > Poets fear wisdom. This is why great poems threaten to feel beside the > point precisely > when we want them to reflect our importance: language returns our > attention not to > confirm what we know but to suggest that we might be different from > ourselves. We have > only to write one poem to feel the possibility of never writing another. > We have only to > write the next poem to discover its inadequacy. To employ figurative > language is to hear > its implications slip away from us. To write in lines is to feel their > control of intonation > and stress beginning to waver. To discover one's true wildness is to feel > the ghost of > Callimachus bearing down. Still, these mechanisms of self-resistance are a > gift, for without > them we could not feel the wonder of poetry more than once. Nor could we > rediscover > our pleasure in the unintelligibility of the world. Imagine forgetting > from second to second > what we are for. Imagine a sense of vocation contingent on our need to > remain unknown > to ourselves. Rather than asking to be justified, poems ask us to exist. > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Dec 5 18:33:07 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:33:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Longenbach's Resistance to Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CE81B2D37EE0A5-292C-BA3C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE81B2D37EE0A5-292C-BA3C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0D4A37AA4CBA401DA76A2C1BB4F2DB40@BobHP> Intriguingly incoherent, like most prose by poets writing about poetry. One could write something saying exactly the opposite of what this text says, and be equally perceptive. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:17 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Longenbach's Resistance to Poetry http://blogs.buffalonews.com/gusto/2011/12/james-longenbach-on-the-resistance-to-poetry.html Rather than hand-wringing over explications and the myriad uses of poetry in a postmodern, post-literate culture, Logenbach concludes the title essay of "The Resistance to Poetry" with an appeal to the sense of difficulty, pleasure, and wonder in poetry: Poets fear wisdom. This is why great poems threaten to feel beside the point precisely when we want them to reflect our importance: language returns our attention not to confirm what we know but to suggest that we might be different from ourselves. We have only to write one poem to feel the possibility of never writing another. 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It emerged through the development of concepts from geometry and set theory, such as space, dimension, and transformation) ... of language ... for instance ... the letter f ... place it in the space after li? e ... life ... 12 commandments ... count the words ... live ... evil ... li e ... 12 ... & life is a concrete poem all by itself ... life spell with the plus sign ... & *********** that visually could be seen as humans forming a linear, but infinite line __________ , it's still not a masterpiece. & I have to find an image that doesn't merely mirror the text? --- On Mon, 12/5/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 5:13 PM ... yes! ... returning to the great Chinese/Japanese masters, the original vispo. Text + the pictorial rendering in a manner that does not merely mirror the text. ? Excellent, my son. ? --the Master -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Dec 5 20:20:37 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:20:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Art & the limits of neuroscience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE81CC64D76571-12A4-10A14@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com> What a whacky conclusion to this article bringing it all back to poetic composition. And a far-fetched conclusion from the evidence given. The slim findings of these 'puzzle tests' explain nothing about the creativity of a novelist, for example. Lehrer's other examples of constraint are barely constraining... "Pop songs have choruses and refrains; symphonies have four movements; plays have five acts; painters still rely on the tropes of portraiture." Wow...those are pretty tight constructs/structures; almost no 'elbow room' in those constraints. "Tropes of portraiture"...really...that's what visual art is today? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: gabriel gudding To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Art & the limits of neuroscience Might find this interesting too: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/need-to-create-get-a-constraint/ On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/art-and-the-limits-of-neuroscience/?ref=opinion Serving the tri-state area. 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It emerged through the development of concepts from geometry and set theory, such as space, dimension, and transformation) ... of language ... for instance ... the letter f ... place it in the space after li e ... life ... 12 commandments ... count the words ... live ... evil ... li e ... 12 ... & life is a concrete poem all by itself ... life spell with the plus sign ... & *********** that visually could be seen as humans forming a linear, but infinite line __________ , it's still not a masterpiece. & I have to find an image that doesn't merely mirror the text? Sorry, Stephen, I thought your poem was a joke?live/evil is so old; but I?m so rushed of late, I didn?t spend much time with it, and now it?s done gone. If you really intended a serious poem, show me it again, and let me know what its unifying principle, if any is. I?m sure it doesn?t mirror its text, though. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As you might expect, this young lady was perfectly competent at the art of self-expression. For every emotion, she had something to express. Never-mind that the writing was incredibly trite. I asked her who some of her favorite poets were. That, of course, drew a blank, her eyes, I'm afraid, betraying a dumbfounded emotion. --- On Mon, 12/5/11, Michael Snider wrote: From: Michael Snider Subject: [New-Poetry] Think no one reads poetry? Try scholarship. To: "New Poetry" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 1:12 PM There are many university folks on the list, so I suspect this isn't really new to some: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Research-Bust/129930/ www.mikesnider.org _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It emerged through the development of concepts from geometry and set theory, such as space, dimension, and transformation) ... of language ... for instance ... the letter f ... place it in the space after li? e ... life ... 12 commandments ... count the words ... live ... evil ... li e ... 12 ... & life is a concrete poem all by itself ... life spell with the plus sign ... & *********** that visually could be seen as humans forming a linear, but infinite line __________ , it's still not a masterpiece. & I have to find an image that doesn't merely mirror the text? ? Sorry, Stephen, I thought your poem was a joke?live/evil is so old; but I?m so rushed of late, I didn?t spend much time with it, and now it?s done gone.? If you really intended a serious poem, show me it again, and let me know what its unifying principle, if any is.? I?m sure it doesn?t mirror its text, though. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 13:47:17 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:47:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes In-Reply-To: <5214E03C85494787A5F84A2A884F330F@BobHP> Message-ID: <1323197237.59770.YahooMailClassic@web161913.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I thought it was one of the finest works of concrete poetics in the 21st century, Bob ... however, thanks to you, I now have my doubts ... moreover, Shelia Black, & Gabriel Gudding gave 2 thumbs up on the abbreviated version -- Unless you 2 provide a 3rd thumbs up, I will be plagued with self-doubt. Writers can't have self-doubt. It is absolutely necessary that they proceed with total, inflated confidence on any and everything. Am i right? -- A Poem ... haven't been following the entire conversation, but since we're kindred spirits, this might add some flavor: ******************************************************************************** +?????????????????? +??? +???????????????????????????????????? +??? +++++++++++ +?????????????????? +????? +?????????????????????????????? +??????? + +?????????????????? +?? ???? +????????????????????????? +?????????? + +?????????????????? +???? ???? +???????????????????? +????????????? + +?????????????????? + ????? ???? +??????????????? +???????????????? +++++++ +?????????????????? +???????? ???? +?????????? +??????????????????? + +?????????????????? +??????????? ???? +???? +?????????????????????? + ++++++++? ?? + ??????????? ?? ??? +?????????????????????????? +++++++++++ ******************************************************************************** --- On Mon, 12/5/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] LOA's 20C American Poetry, first two volumes To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 8:47 PM ... so Bob, despite the fact that my poem (Topology (from the Greek ?????, ?place?, and ?????, ?study?) is a major area of mathematics concerned with properties that are preserved under continuous deformations of objects, such as deformations that involve stretching, but no tearing or gluing. It emerged through the development of concepts from geometry and set theory, such as space, dimension, and transformation) ... of language ... for instance ... the letter f ... place it in the space after li? e ... life ... 12 commandments ... count the words ... live ... evil ... li e ... 12 ... & life is a concrete poem all by itself ... life spell with the plus sign ... & *********** that visually could be seen as humans forming a linear, but infinite line __________ , it's still not a masterpiece. & I have to find an image that doesn't merely mirror the text? ? Sorry, Stephen, I thought your poem was a joke?live/evil is so old; but I?m so rushed of late, I didn?t spend much time with it, and now it?s done gone.? If you really intended a serious poem, show me it again, and let me know what its unifying principle, if any is.? I?m sure it doesn?t mirror its text, though. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Dec 6 14:39:08 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:39:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] E.G. Burrows dies at 94 Message-ID: <8CE8265DAF059BA-708-13EE6@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> http://www.michiganradio.org/post/ed-burrows-former-michigan-radio-station-manager-dies-94 & noted on a couple blogs... http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/2011/12/e-g-burrows-1917-2011.html http://perpetualbird.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The letter-cutter Ronald Parsons has made a good job of the inscription on slate, but the greenish stone is shoved into a jumble of floor memorials that scream at each other. Notably crass is the neighbouring slab to Edward Lear, depicted in a brown and white cameo wearing rather postmodern spectacles. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Dec 6 22:44:54 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:44:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... Message-ID: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8938343/Poet-withdraws-from-TS-Eliot-prize-over-sponsorship.html Alice Oswald has withdrawn from a shortlist of ten poets in the running for the ?15,000 award, taking issue with the fact that the prize is sponsored by an investment company. Aurum, which manages hedge funds, has signed a three year sponsorship deal with the prize-owning body Poetry Book Society. The society lost the regular backing of the Arts Council in recent cuts. Oswald, nominated for her Classically-inspired work 'Memorial', said: "I think poetry should be questioning, not endorsing, such institutions." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Tue Dec 6 23:27:49 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:27:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <10C3A397-C471-4E14-ABE1-54D064AEF252@mikesnider.org> Bully for her that she can afford to turn it down. But, had she won, she could have given the money to some organization/cause which could have used the money for something she cares about. She could have just announced that such was her intention, and then, had she won anyway, she could have subverted the process for what he considered good. www.mikesnider.org On Dec 6, 2011, at 22:44, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8938343/Poet-withdraws-from-TS-Eliot-prize-over-sponsorship.html > Alice Oswald has withdrawn from a shortlist of ten poets in the running for the ?15,000 award, taking issue with the fact that the prize is sponsored by an investment company. > > Aurum, which manages hedge funds, has signed a three year sponsorship deal with the prize-owning body Poetry Book Society. The society lost the regular backing of the Arts Council in recent cuts. > > Oswald, nominated for her Classically-inspired work 'Memorial', said: "I think poetry should be questioning, not endorsing, such institutions." > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 23:32:58 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:32:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <10C3A397-C471-4E14-ABE1-54D064AEF252@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <1323232378.42515.YahooMailClassic@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere social/moral statement. --- On Tue, 12/6/11, Michael Snider wrote: From: Michael Snider Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 11:27 PM Bully for her that she can afford to turn it down. But, had she won, she could have given the money to some organization/cause which could have used the money for something she cares about. She could have just announced that such was her intention, and then, had she won anyway, she could have subverted the process for what he considered good. www.mikesnider.org On Dec 6, 2011, at 22:44, jforjames at aol.com wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8938343/Poet-withdraws-from-TS-Eliot-prize-over-sponsorship.html Alice Oswald has withdrawn from a shortlist of ten poets in the running for the ?15,000 award, taking issue with the fact that the prize is sponsored by an investment company.? Aurum, which manages hedge funds, has signed a three year sponsorship deal with the prize-owning body Poetry Book Society. The society lost the regular backing of the Arts Council in recent cuts.? Oswald, nominated for her Classically-inspired work 'Memorial', said: "I think poetry should be questioning, not endorsing, such institutions."? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Dec 7 06:36:02 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 06:36:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <1323232378.42515.YahooMailClassic@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323232378.42515.YahooMailClassic@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <979D6D5EF6A0409F863A60D65CC0DB59@BobHP> that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere social/moral statement. I think it?s standard left-wing self-righteous total ignorance of economics that poets love to get kudos from fellow poets for. The only thing a grants organization should be criticized by poets for is for giving away money to the undeserving. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 10:10:50 2011 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore In-Reply-To: <8E1A562E92AA450DA238C2679D71BC31@BobHP> References: <1323216941.94251.YahooMailClassic@web161910.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8E1A562E92AA450DA238C2679D71BC31@BobHP> Message-ID: <1323270650.88474.YahooMailNeo@web120506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob, you're in Connecticut?? I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ >________________________________ > From: bob grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore > > >This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) >? >--Bob from Connecticut? >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 10:33:59 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <979D6D5EF6A0409F863A60D65CC0DB59@BobHP> Message-ID: <1323272039.21617.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> damn, Bob, you're an Alpha male. I? had thought you were merely an eccentric math poet guy doing the poetry thing in a hopeless attempt? to attract young babes in South Florida. --- On Wed, 12/7/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 6:36 AM that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere social/moral statement. ? I think it?s standard left-wing self-righteous total ignorance of economics that poets love to get kudos from fellow poets for.? The only thing a grants organization should be criticized by poets for is for giving away money to the undeserving. ? --Bob ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Wed Dec 7 10:48:47 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:48:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <1323272039.21617.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323272039.21617.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE830ED7B0E3E1-165C-2D32D@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> There's an interview up with me at Portuguese American Journal. I talk about discovering my roots, Lisbon and poetry. Thanks in advance for checking it out and re-tweeting, etc. I'm grateful for any comments too! Cheers, Mill http://portuguese-american-journal.com/poet-millicent-borges-accardi-reconnects-with-her-roots-interview-2/ -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 2:41 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... damn, Bob, you're an Alpha male. I had thought you were merely an eccentric math poet guy doing the poetry thing in a hopeless attempt to attract young babes in South Florida. --- On Wed, 12/7/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 6:36 AM that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere social/moral statement. I think it?s standard left-wing self-righteous total ignorance of economics that poets love to get kudos from fellow poets for. 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I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) ? --Bob from Connecticut ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Dec 7 11:54:33 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:54:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anglo/Irish In-Reply-To: <1323275196.72732.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323275196.72732.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From: stephen russell Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:26 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Anglo/Irish not as good as Jersey shore Right?because (as far as I can tell) the visual effects are merely decorative. Plus you left out Willy Wordsworth, a greater (lyric) poet than any of your three, I say . --- On Tue, 12/6/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Anglo/Irish To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 3:21 PM Anglo Irish Roll Call * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * i LL I a M S B B h l U A A T k k L E E E s R Y P E e A A T R e S Search the web: enhanced by -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <21633360.1323272898902.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21633360.1323272898902.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: From: junction at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:48 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... I disagree. Though I think in this case it may be a way to get publicity. Remember last year's Oxford Chair kerfluffle? Seems to be something in the air among not very interesting British poets. How about it?s both? --Bob -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman Sent: Dec 7, 2011 6:36 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere social/moral statement. I think it?s standard left-wing self-righteous total ignorance of economics that poets love to get kudos from fellow poets for. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 13:37:00 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:37:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore In-Reply-To: <1323274212.85361.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323283020.40230.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... Anny ... if i can crack the code ... japanes (orgami?) ... books ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 11:10 AM see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha ( ? ) chimes in, others follow ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:56 AM I also like this one, great work! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Bob, you're in Connecticut?? I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) ? --Bob from Connecticut ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 13:49:18 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:49:18 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oswald would have taken the pounds from the Arts Council, in other words, from tax money paid to the British Treasuryby the hedge fund. To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:44:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8938343/Poet-withdraws-from-TS-Eliot-prize-over-sponsorship.html Alice Oswald has withdrawn from a shortlist of ten poets in the running for the ?15,000 award, taking issue with the fact that the prize is sponsored by an investment company. Aurum, which manages hedge funds, has signed a three year sponsorship deal with the prize-owning body Poetry Book Society. The society lost the regular backing of the Arts Council in recent cuts. Oswald, nominated for her Classically-inspired work 'Memorial', said: "I think poetry should be questioning, not endorsing, such institutions." _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 15:51:18 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:51:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore In-Reply-To: <1323283020.40230.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323291078.35018.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ? ? Once I can figure out -- ? ????????????????????????????????? ?how to to a decent -- ?????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?Origami --???????????????????????????? ? ????????????????Naturally???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? --- On Wed, 12/7/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 1:37 PM ... Anny ... if i can crack the code ... japanes (orgami?) ... books ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 11:10 AM see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha ( ? ) chimes in, others follow ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:56 AM I also like this one, great work! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Bob, you're in Connecticut?? I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) ? --Bob from Connecticut ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Once I can figure out -- ? ????????????????????????????????? ?how to to a decent -- ?????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?Origami --???????????????????????????? ? ????????????????Naturally???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? --- On Wed, 12/7/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 1:37 PM ... Anny ... if i can crack the code ... japanes (orgami?) ... books ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 11:10 AM see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha ( ? ) chimes in, others follow ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:56 AM I also like this one, great work! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Bob, you're in Connecticut?? I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) ? --Bob from Connecticut ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Dec 7 18:22:53 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <5CF0D9A1C61B4222B1E206D97AC8AADC@OwnerPC> References: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> <5CF0D9A1C61B4222B1E206D97AC8AADC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: From: Robin Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:47 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... << Oswald would have taken the pounds from the Arts Council, in other words, from tax money paid to the British Treasury by the hedge fund. >> Hedge funds don?t pay tax ? only shrub-funds do that. Actually, much of the Arts Funding here is supported by receipts from the National Lottery, so it would still be Tainted Money ? from gambling. Whatever, there?s no logic to finance ? if there were, Bob would be rich. 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I haven't read him in awhile, but the guy was a great poet, a visionary ... started out a formalist and evolved into a Pacific version of Rilke. Does making it new necessarily involve radical leaps in form? Consider Yeats. Search the web: enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Thu Dec 8 01:33:17 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 06:33:17 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: References: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>, <5CF0D9A1C61B4222B1E206D97AC8AADC@OwnerPC>, Message-ID: One thing for sure, Oswald does not stand with Anthony Burgess, who saw his pre-Thatcherprofits being redistributed by people who operated very much the way our ZeroKing is tryingto take things, except, of course, for himself and those who bet on what they know he's goingto do as the Sun Kink - er - King. Burgess took his operation to Monaco. Pip! Pip! From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... From: Robin Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:47 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... << Oswald would have taken the pounds from the Arts Council, in other words, from tax money paid to the British Treasury by the hedge fund. >> Hedge funds don?t pay tax ? only shrub-funds do that. Actually, much of the Arts Funding here is supported by receipts from the National Lottery, so it would still be Tainted Money ? from gambling. Whatever, there?s no logic to finance ? if there were, Bob would be rich. Nah?the highest logic dictates that achievement, the antithesis of making money, yields more pleasure than money. Although logic also requires one to get a certain minimal amount of the stuff. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:12:10 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:12:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <21633360.1323272898902.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21633360.1323272898902.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I agree with Bob, although I do not think they are that stupid, and publicity is the big deal, although some pounds in these times of restriction might be worth more than advertising a nice pic ____on The Guardian! Which they would have had anyhow if they had won, maybe they were not sure they would make it? Ah strategy and tactics, what a difficult school. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:48 PM, wrote: > I disagree. Though I think in this case it may be a way to get publicity. > Remember last year's Oxford Chair kerfluffle? Seems to be something in the > air among not very interesting British poets. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob grumman ** > Sent: Dec 7, 2011 6:36 AM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... > > ****** ** > that's cunning. Poets seem too easily pleased with the glamor of a mere > social/moral statement. > > I think it?s standard left-wing self-righteous total ignorance of > economics that poets love to get kudos from fellow poets for. The only > thing a grants organization should be criticized by poets for is for giving > away money to the undeserving. > > --Bob > > > > **** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:14:10 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:14:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore In-Reply-To: <1323274212.85361.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323274212.85361.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do not worry Stephen, what I think, I think, for myself, what it is worth: nothing, at least for you. I don't even know who you are... On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:10 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha ( ) chimes in, others follow ... > > --- On *Wed, 12/7/11, Anny Ballardini * wrote: > > > From: Anny Ballardini > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:56 AM > > > I also like this one, great work! > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, John Jeffrey > > wrote: > > Bob, you're in Connecticut? I was wondering why the weather here has been > rainy of late. > > All wet, > > JohnJ > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bob grumman > > > *To:* NewPoetry List > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore > > This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the *s*?s make it. (But who is this New > Jersey guy?) > > --Bob from Connecticut > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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As for Anny, she only follows me once > a month?because she doesn?t want me to feel *too* hemmed in on all sides > by *enimeeze.* > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:08:50 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:08:50 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE82A9B71DD805-154-1810A@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/dec/07/ts-eliot-prize-second-poet-sponsor-protest and now Kinsella, too. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, wrote: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8938343/Poet-withdraws-from-TS-Eliot-prize-over-sponsorship.html > Alice Oswald has withdrawn from a shortlist of ten poets in the running > for the ?15,000 award, taking issue with the fact that the prize is > sponsored by an investment company. > > Aurum, which manages hedge funds, has signed a three year sponsorship > deal with the prize-owning body Poetry Book Society. The society lost the > regular backing of the Arts Council in recent cuts. > > Oswald, nominated for her Classically-inspired work 'Memorial', said: "I > think poetry should be questioning, not endorsing, such institutions." > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Oubliette.? Dissevered. And O, alas Time disturbs me. Always minute detail fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? Only this. My poems do contain wilde beestes. I write for my Lady -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Dec 8 06:50:04 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 06:50:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Theodore Roethke In-Reply-To: <1323314264.94129.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323314264.94129.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2B09D116756C4EBF85D94BE5FF30959C@BobHP> ... returning to the serious (meaning my tone), was Roethke mentioned? ... for the Dove anthology? I haven't read him in awhile, but the guy was a great poet, a visionary ... started out a formalist and evolved into a Pacific version of Rilke. Does making it new necessarily involve radical leaps in form? Consider Yeats. One of the three Americans I deem tied for the title of Greatest American Poet Before 1960, yet he gets in all the big anthologies. I wonder about his follower, David Wagoner, whom I consider much better than most of the others who get in those things. I keep forgetting to check. 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I haven't read him in awhile, but the guy was a great poet, a visionary ... started out a formalist and evolved into a Pacific version of Rilke. Does making it new necessarily involve radical leaps in form? Consider Yeats. One of the three Americans I deem tied for the title of Greatest American Poet Before 1960, yet he gets in all the big anthologies. I wonder about his follower, David Wagoner, whom I consider much better than most of the others who get in those things. I keep forgetting to check. He wrote one of the few poems in The New Yorker I liked over the past fifty years. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once the alpha ( ? ) chimes in, others follow ... --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:56 AM I also like this one, great work! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Bob, you're in Connecticut?? I was wondering why the weather here has been rainy of late. All wet, JohnJ From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore This one?s a keeper, Stephen?the s?s make it.? (But who is this New Jersey guy?) ? --Bob from Connecticut ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn this, my weakness, smites me. A glass of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness of clouds at one o?clock obsess me. I weep for all of these or laugh. By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost in dreams of lists, compiled by my self for reassurance. Jackson Pollock?? Ren? Rilke?? Benedict Arnold?? I watch my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. At night, awake, high on poems, or pills or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists flow differently. Of words bright red and black, and blue.? Bosky.? Oubliette.? Dissevered. And O, alas Time disturbs me. Always minute detail fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? Only this. My poems do contain wilde beestes. I write for my Lady -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 09:29:33 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 06:29:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323354573.58405.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> trivia: name another prominent writer aside from Burgess capable of writing for orchestra. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, R Dillon wrote: From: R Dillon Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 1:33 AM ? ? One thing for sure, Oswald does not stand with Anthony Burgess, who saw his pre-Thatcher profits being redistributed by people who operated very much the way our ZeroKing is trying to take things, except, of course, for himself and those who bet on what they know he's going to do as the Sun Kink - er - King. ? Burgess took his operation to Monaco.? Pip! Pip! ? ? ? ? From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... #yiv650368883 .yiv650368883ExternalClass .yiv650368883ecxhmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv650368883 .yiv650368883ExternalClass body.yiv650368883ecxhmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} ? ? From: Robin Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:47 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I think poetry should be questioning... ? << Oswald would have taken the pounds from the Arts Council, in other words, from tax money paid to the British Treasury by the hedge fund. ?>> ? Hedge funds don?t pay tax ? only shrub-funds do that. ? Actually, much of the Arts Funding here is supported by receipts from the National Lottery, so it would still be Tainted Money ? from gambling. ? Whatever, there?s no logic to finance ? if there were, Bob would be rich. ? 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Here is an excerpt from Drew's "As Dolphins Languor": awe yea I open a photo album I found under my bed uhhuh, The dusty, leather cover decaying and smelling of the years awe yea baby Regrets mingling with my tears as I methodically turn the pages, you see I like to dress up in REALLY tight underwater pumpkin beavers... and I take a deep, painful breath Because staring back at me from the tattered oragami licences oh baby yea Are black and white visions of faraway hearts uh huh Mistakes where made and moments lost But I take the blame all for myself awe yea You see, sobody's done messed up my latvian women's soccer team fantasy REAL bad, oh pagers make of cheese, Isn't that cute? The fluffy pumpkins I mean you can't HANDLE the fluffy pumpkins... If I could just steal away one tender moment from my past And trap it in my heart ohhhhhhh baby It would unravel the regrets woven deep into the tapestry of awe yea baby my life awe yea the Whiteness glimmers in [?] ... Take the love Romeo and Juliet had, multiply it by infinity, take it to the depths of forever and you will still have only a glimpse of how to bungee jump outa my moist sitar B.O.! [?] Katie began taking interoffice memos she received on the job and flarfing them: TO: All New York Office Employees FROM: Human Resources Loveroll DATE: May 8, 2001 RE: Hot Hatred and Hot Business Coital Attire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 10:08:12 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:08:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] A CRY FOR HELP Jersey shore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323356892.56901.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bobbi, thank God you're not on the listserv ... 1st, I apologize ... I didn't respond to you directly ... it's an I'm In my Own World thing ... & no, I don't know if you're being too serious ... I don't know you ... for all I know, you're being perfectly serious ... but times wasting ... you see, Bobbi,? Bob Grumman, the seemingly kind guru/poet/mathmatician REALLY is a mysoginst ... CAN"T spell ... have become worst thanks to evil Brain Washing from the manipulative mad mind master ... this vile, cunning, horrible mean person ... please, consider my plight ... as a trusting novice of this so-called GURU, I've been lead astray ... & yes, Bobby, he's forcing me to (through subtle telephatic word wrongs) to woefully commit treasonably horrible hurts, luring me into a strange, and disturbing world where wordings can be playfully assembled and reassembled and contorted into wickedness ... will you help me, Bobbii by please alerting Amy King to tell her how bad Bob is if it deosn't stop it can geter worst ... This is serious ... I had college ... I studedied philosofying, and I know bad when I see it Bob doesn't likee poets doing woman things, he only likes woman doing his things, and I don't think that's right ... Bobiiiiii, please post this on the listserv as a CRY FOR HELP FROM STEPHEN RUSSELL. --- On Mon, 12/5/11, Bobbi Lurie wrote: From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: A CONSIDERABLE moveMENT Riptide To: "stephen russell" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 1:11 AM thank you. i appreciate that. you can do the same. i'm not on new poetry.? --- On Thu, 12/8/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 3:15 AM Anny, who has to do what the other people tell her to do all the time, does whatever she wants on the net. This said, Bob, I disagree with you publicly. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM, bob grumman wrote: see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha (?? ) chimes in, others follow ... ? All I see iz you iz calling me an Alpha Null.? Although maybe that?s not a bad descriptive term for me. . . .? As for Anny, she only follows me once a month?because she doesn?t want me to feel too hemmed in on all sides by enimeeze. ? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't respond to you directly ... it's an I'm In my Own World thing ... & no, I don't know if you're being too serious ... I don't know you ... for all I know, you're being perfectly serious ... but times wasting ... you see, Bobbi,? Bob Grumman, the seemingly kind guru/poet/mathmatician REALLY is a mysoginst ... CAN"T spell ... have become worst thanks to evil Brain Washing from the manipulative mad mind master ... this vile, cunning, horrible mean person ... please, consider my plight ... as a trusting novice of this so-called GURU, I've been lead astray ... & yes, Bobby, he's forcing me to (through subtle telephatic word wrongs) to woefully commit treasonably horrible hurts, luring me into a strange, and disturbing world where wordings can be playfully assembled and reassembled and contorted into wickedness ... will you help me, Bobbii by please alerting Amy King to tell her how bad Bob is if it deosn't stop it can geter worst ... This is serious ... I had college ... I studedied philosofying, and I know bad when I see it Bob doesn't likee poets doing woman things, he only likes woman doing his things, and I don't think that's right ... Bobiiiiii, please post this on the listserv as a CRY FOR HELP FROM STEPHEN RUSSELL. --- On Mon, 12/5/11, Bobbi Lurie wrote: From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: A CONSIDERABLE moveMENT Riptide To: "stephen russell" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 1:11 AM thank you. i appreciate that. you can do the same. i'm not on new poetry.? --- On Thu, 12/8/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 3:15 AM Anny, who has to do what the other people tell her to do all the time, does whatever she wants on the net. This said, Bob, I disagree with you publicly. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM, bob grumman wrote: see what I mean, Bob. Once the alpha (?? ) chimes in, others follow ... ? All I see iz you iz calling me an Alpha Null.? Although maybe that?s not a bad descriptive term for me. . . .? As for Anny, she only follows me once a month?because she doesn?t want me to feel too hemmed in on all sides by enimeeze. ? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 10:28:19 2011 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:28:19 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] poem that includes oragami In-Reply-To: <1323356559.36162.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323356559.36162.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have lots of poems that include orgami... some of them are here: http://www.moriapoetry.com/papercraft.pdf On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:02 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Initially most everyone was using Google in some capacity, and the work > tended to be corrosive, awful, though not so much in a Bruce Andrews Shut > Up way, it's more awkward, less self-aware or overtly politically pointed, > mistakes are left in as found, and certain "cute" words ("fluffy" "cuddle" > etc.) begin to pile up in the poems. > > Here is an excerpt from Drew's "As Dolphins Languor": > > awe yea I open a photo album I found under my bed > uhhuh, The dusty, leather cover decaying and smelling of the years > awe yea baby Regrets mingling with my tears > as I methodically turn the pages, you see > I like to dress up in REALLY tight underwater pumpkin beavers... > and I take a deep, painful breath > Because staring back at me from the tattered oragami licences > oh baby yea Are black and white visions of faraway hearts uh huh > Mistakes where made and moments lost > But I take the blame all for myself > awe yea You see, sobody's done messed up > my latvian women's soccer team fantasy REAL bad, > oh pagers make of cheese, > Isn't that cute? The fluffy pumpkins I mean > you can't HANDLE the fluffy pumpkins... > If I could just steal away one > tender moment from my past > And trap it in my heart > ohhhhhhh baby It would unravel the regrets > woven deep into the tapestry of awe yea baby my life > awe yea the Whiteness glimmers in [?] > ... Take the love Romeo and Juliet had, multiply > it by infinity, take it to the depths of > forever and you will still have only a glimpse of how to > bungee jump outa my moist sitar B.O.! [?] > Katie began taking interoffice memos she received on the job and flarfing > them: > TO: All New York Office Employees > FROM: Human Resources Loveroll > DATE: May 8, 2001 > RE: Hot Hatred and Hot Business Coital Attire > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is an excerpt from Drew's "As Dolphins Languor": awe yea I open a photo album I found under my bed uhhuh, The dusty, leather cover decaying and smelling of the years awe yea baby Regrets mingling with my tears as I methodically turn the pages, you see I like to dress up in REALLY tight underwater pumpkin beavers... and I take a deep, painful breath Because staring back at me from the tattered oragami licences oh baby yea Are black and white visions of faraway hearts uh huh Mistakes where made and moments lost But I take the blame all for myself awe yea You see, sobody's done messed up my latvian women's soccer team fantasy REAL bad, oh pagers make of cheese, Isn't that cute? The fluffy pumpkins I mean you can't HANDLE the fluffy pumpkins... If I could just steal away one tender moment from my past And trap it in my heart ohhhhhhh baby It would unravel the regrets woven deep into the tapestry of awe yea baby my life awe yea the Whiteness glimmers in [?] ... 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URL: From antrobin at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 12:09:05 2011 From: antrobin at gmail.com (Anthony Robinson) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:09:05 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anny, You're missing the rest of the poem!!! Tony On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > *Words for Love* > for Sandy > > Winter crisp and the brittleness of snow > as like make me tired as not. I go my > myriad ways blundering, bombastic, dragged > by a self that can never be still, pushed > by my surging blood, my reasoning mind. > > I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn > this, my weakness, smites me. A glass > of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness > of clouds at one o?clock obsess me. > I weep for all of these or laugh. > > By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost > in dreams of lists, compiled by my self > for reassurance. Jackson Pollock?? Ren? > Rilke?? Benedict Arnold?? I watch > my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. > > At night, awake, high on poems, or pills > or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists > flow differently. Of words bright red > and black, and blue.? Bosky.? Oubliette.? Dissevered. > And O, alas > > Time disturbs me. Always minute detail > fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston > it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s > time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse > the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? > > Only this. My poems do contain > wilde beestes. I write for my Lady > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 12:33:09 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:33:09 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [Here are the remaining lines, sorry for that:] of the Lake. My god is immense, and lonely but uncowed. I trust my sanity, and I am proud. If I sometimes grow weary, and seem still, nevertheless my heart still loves, will break. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Anthony Robinson wrote: > Anny, > > You're missing the rest of the poem!!! > > Tony > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > >> *Words for Love* >> for Sandy >> >> Winter crisp and the brittleness of snow >> as like make me tired as not. I go my >> myriad ways blundering, bombastic, dragged >> by a self that can never be still, pushed >> by my surging blood, my reasoning mind. >> >> I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn >> this, my weakness, smites me. A glass >> of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness >> of clouds at one o?clock obsess me. >> I weep for all of these or laugh. >> >> By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost >> in dreams of lists, compiled by my self >> for reassurance. Jackson Pollock?? Ren? >> Rilke?? Benedict Arnold?? I watch >> my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. >> >> At night, awake, high on poems, or pills >> or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists >> flow differently. Of words bright red >> and black, and blue.? Bosky.? Oubliette.? Dissevered. >> And O, alas >> >> Time disturbs me. Always minute detail >> fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston >> it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s >> time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse >> the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? >> >> Only this. My poems do contain >> wilde beestes. I write for my Lady >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's a link to Berrigan reading the poem, and others (this is specially charming for me because he mentions that it was requested by an old friend of mine who was a visiting poet at Buffalo when I was there, Tom Weatherly): http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Berrigan.php Jerry On 12/8/2011 11:09 AM, Anthony Robinson wrote: > Anny, > > You're missing the rest of the poem!!! > > Tony > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Anny Ballardini > > wrote: > > *Words for Love* > for Sandy > > Winter crisp and the brittleness of snow > as like make me tired as not. I go my > myriad ways blundering, bombastic, dragged > by a self that can never be still, pushed > by my surging blood, my reasoning mind. > > I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn > this, my weakness, smites me. A glass > of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness > of clouds at one o'clock obsess me. > I weep for all of these or laugh. > > By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost > in dreams of lists, compiled by my self > for reassurance. Jackson Pollock...... Ren? > Rilke...... Benedict Arnold...... I watch > my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. > > At night, awake, high on poems, or pills > or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists > flow differently. Of words bright red > and black, and blue.... Bosky.... Oubliette.... Dissevered. > And O, alas > > Time disturbs me. Always minute detail > fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston > it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It's > time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse > the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? > > Only this. My poems do contain > wilde beestes. I write for my Lady > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If > I sometimes grow weary, and seem still, nevertheless > > my heart still loves, will break. > > > > * * * * * * > > Oddly, I think I prefer Anny's premature closure to the full poem > > Definitely. The additional lines are gush. The premature ending sums > up the poem, for me?explains why the poet *is *insane. The addition > explains too much, I feel. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All these ?Bobs,? and ?Bobbies? > and ?Bobbys.? > > --Bob Guruman > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All these ?Bobs,? and ?Bobbies? and ?Bobbys.?? ? --Bob Guruman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 15:07:07 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:07:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] A CRY FOR HELP Jersey shore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323374827.33691.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> yes, I just mentioned to Bob that Bobbie hadn't signed on to my attempt at listserv flarf, making the exercise ill-advised. I'll back channel my latest indiscretion. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A CRY FOR HELP Jersey shore To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:37 PM Bobbie Lurie is a poet, I feature her on the Corner: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=374 On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM, bob grumman wrote: I?m sorry, Stephen but I?m confused.? All these ?Bobs,? and ?Bobbies? and ?Bobbys.?? ? --Bob Guruman _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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(But even with its emotional excess at the end, it's still a pretty lush piece of language.) Here's a link to Berrigan reading the poem, and others (this is specially charming for me because he mentions that it was requested by an old friend of mine who was a visiting poet at Buffalo when I was there, Tom Weatherly): http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Berrigan.php Jerry On 12/8/2011 11:09 AM, Anthony Robinson wrote: Anny, You're missing the rest of the poem!!! Tony On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: Words for Love for Sandy Winter crisp and the brittleness of snow as like make me tired as not. I go my myriad ways blundering, bombastic, dragged by a self that can never be still, pushed by my surging blood, my reasoning mind. I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn this, my weakness, smites me. A glass of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness of clouds at one o?clock obsess me. I weep for all of these or laugh. By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost in dreams of lists, compiled by my self for reassurance. Jackson Pollock?? Ren? Rilke?? Benedict Arnold?? I watch my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. At night, awake, high on poems, or pills or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists flow differently. Of words bright red and black, and blue.? Bosky.? Oubliette.? Dissevered. And O, alas Time disturbs me. Always minute detail fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? Only this. My poems do contain wilde beestes. I write for my Lady -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Dec 8 15:53:35 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:53:35 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <1503A118BB474EB18A5BC0E7B37CCBA0@BobHP> References: <4EE0F8BB.10607@louisiana.edu><94C3E770375B4D7894 16833A355F9EBF@BobHP> <1503A118BB474EB18A5BC0E7B37CCBA0@BobHP> Message-ID: <4EE123CF.1040202@louisiana.edu> I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry is a disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar of the social norm--though I only have second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know the guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to me to judge poets based on their mental health. What would we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as Berrigan's have managed to get themselves critical appreciation over the long run (often, though not always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as some folks born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles Wright, to pick three out of the air) is that his poems have none of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria sometimes without considering their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. Jerry On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: > *From:* Anthony Robinson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > I disagree of course. > > And of course the poet is NOT insane. > > The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt > here to me. > > Tony > All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. But this seems to me a simple case > of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won't pronounce > you . . . an /Enemy of Poetry/. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems.) that makes it worth filing. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 3:53 PM I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry is a disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar of the social norm--though I only have second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know the guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to me to judge poets based on their mental health. What would we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as Berrigan's have managed to get themselves critical appreciation over the long run (often, though not always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as some folks born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles Wright, to pick three out of the air) is that his poems have none of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria sometimes without considering their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. Jerry On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: ? ? From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? But this seems to me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you . . . an Enemy of Poetry. ? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 16:29:43 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <1323378768.69696.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323379783.56348.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> which ws probably the problem with that earlier poem by William Matthews I had posted, the one with Janis Joplin. It had the distinct odor of workshop. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 4:12 PM ?... said with the sort of clarity (... his poems have none of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria sometimes without considering their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems.) that makes it worth filing. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, Jerry McGuire wrote: From: Jerry McGuire Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 3:53 PM I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry is a disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar of the social norm--though I only have second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know the guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to me to judge poets based on their mental health. What would we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as Berrigan's have managed to get themselves critical appreciation over the long run (often, though not always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as some folks born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles Wright, to pick three out of the air) is that his poems have none of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria sometimes without considering their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. Jerry On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: ? ? From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? But this seems to me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you . . . an Enemy of Poetry. ? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But this seems to me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you . . . an Enemy of Poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 16:52:28 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:52:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan Message-ID: <24217574.1323381149565.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Dec 8 17:15:01 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:15:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <24217574.1323381149565.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24217574.1323381149565.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE136E5.3060706@louisiana.edu> It's probably a mistake to judge any poet by one poem, early or late, Mark. Maybe it would be o.k. with Chaucer. I was actually trying not to be too judgmental. I just pointed out a couple of lines I didn't like so much in a poem I said I liked quite a bit, by a poet I said I liked quite a bit--if my memory doesn't fail me. As for Rothenberg, that high character study has fortunately lived long enough to earn quite a bit of appreciation, though probably more for his anthologies than for his poems (which I hasten to say I also like, as I like the man himself). I didn't, by the way, say that Berrigan was "invisible," just that you're less likely to come across him than you are Plath, Baraka, or Charles Wright--there are anthologies (maybe even Dove's--I've forgotten) where he shows up, along with the rest of the guys you mention. I suspect he shows up more than Alice Notley, and I'm not sure that's fair. _That_ probably has something to do with "accessibility"--Berrigan is readable even for people who'd have a fit over Schwermer or Notley. Jerry On 12/8/2011 3:52 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > Jerry: It's probably unfair to judge Berrigan by this early (1962), > lovely but rather flawed poem. > > And maybe one needs to seek elsewhere for an explanation of what might > appear to be his relative obscurity--it's an obscurity only if looked > at from them other side of the great and tiresome divide in American > poetry. He was a couple of years younger than Jerry Rothenberg, for > instance, who's also not widely included in mainstream anthologies, > tho his work can't be criticized in the terms you suggest. Other > contemporaries who are invisible if you close one eye--David Antin, > Armand Schwerner, Paul Blackburn--it's a long list. > > Best, > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry is a > disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some > insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't > strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar of the social norm--though > I only have second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know > the guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to me to > judge poets based on their mental health. What would we do with > Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with mental conditions and > lifestyles just as eccentric as Berrigan's have managed to get > themselves critical appreciation over the long run (often, though > not always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the > reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as > some folks born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles > Wright, to pick three out of the air) is that his poems have none > of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces > like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't parade > your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one is well or ill, > these things get applied as criteria sometimes without considering > their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets > like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not > some sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: >> *From:* Anthony Robinson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM >> *To:* NewPoetry List >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >> I disagree of course. >> >> And of course the poet is NOT insane. >> >> The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. >> apt here to me. >> >> Tony >> All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. But this seems to me a simple >> case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won't >> pronounce you . . . an /Enemy of Poetry/. >> --Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? But this seems to me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you . . . an Enemy of Poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 17:32:36 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:32:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan Message-ID: <9700360.1323383556988.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Dec 8 17:44:50 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:44:50 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <9700360.1323383556988.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9700360.1323383556988.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE13DE2.2050601@louisiana.edu> Tell Rothenberg I said hi, Mark--you'll probably have to remind him that it's u of louisiana at Lafayette--I have some great photos of him with some outrageous Mardi Gras folks. What with the festivals (Every man his own shaman) and general atmosphere of laissez les bon temps rouler, he fit in quite nicely down here. Jerry On 12/8/2011 4:32 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > Jerry: I didn't think you were dissing Berrigan. I couldn't of course > know what else of his work you've read. It's almost inevitable, I > guess, to read attitudes into very brief posts. > > Brief in my case because I'm in the midst of panic about presenting a > very brief talk at tomorrow's birthday shindig for Jerry. > > Jerry is among the missing from Dove's anthology, as well as > Schwerner, Notley and Berrigan. I agree about the unfairness to > Notley, by the way. A wonderful poet. It completely mystifies me that > anybody finds her work difficult. > > Best, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > It's probably a mistake to judge any poet by one poem, early or > late, Mark. Maybe it would be o.k. with Chaucer. I was actually > trying not to be too judgmental. I just pointed out a couple of > lines I didn't like so much in a poem I said I liked quite a bit, > by a poet I said I liked quite a bit--if my memory doesn't fail > me. As for Rothenberg, that high character study has fortunately > lived long enough to earn quite a bit of appreciation, though > probably more for his anthologies than for his poems (which I > hasten to say I also like, as I like the man himself). I didn't, > by the way, say that Berrigan was "invisible," just that you're > less likely to come across him than you are Plath, Baraka, or > Charles Wright--there are anthologies (maybe even Dove's--I've > forgotten) where he shows up, along with the rest of the guys you > mention. I suspect he shows up more than Alice Notley, and I'm not > sure that's fair. _That_ probably has something to do with > "accessibility"--Berrigan is readable even for people who'd have a > fit over Schwermer or Notley. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 3:52 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> Jerry: It's probably unfair to judge Berrigan by this early >> (1962), lovely but rather flawed poem. >> >> And maybe one needs to seek elsewhere for an explanation of what >> might appear to be his relative obscurity--it's an obscurity only >> if looked at from them other side of the great and tiresome >> divide in American poetry. He was a couple of years younger than >> Jerry Rothenberg, for instance, who's also not widely included in >> mainstream anthologies, tho his work can't be criticized in the >> terms you suggest. Other contemporaries who are invisible if you >> close one eye--David Antin, Armand Schwerner, Paul >> Blackburn--it's a long list. >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry McGuire >> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >> >> I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry is a >> disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some >> insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't >> strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar of the social >> norm--though I only have second-and-third-hand rumor to go >> on; I didn't know the guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make >> any sense to me to judge poets based on their mental health. >> What would we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets >> with mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as >> Berrigan's have managed to get themselves critical >> appreciation over the long run (often, though not always, >> after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the reasons >> Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as some >> folks born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles >> Wright, to pick three out of the air) is that his poems have >> none of that old workshop smell, and don't bother with >> commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental >> . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like >> whether one is well or ill, these things get applied as >> criteria sometimes without considering their precise context. >> They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; but I >> certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort of >> fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: >>> *From:* Anthony Robinson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM >>> *To:* NewPoetry List >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >>> I disagree of course. >>> >>> And of course the poet is NOT insane. >>> >>> The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems >>> esp. apt here to me. >>> >>> Tony >>> All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. But this seems to me a >>> simple case of one reasonable interpretation against >>> another, so I won't pronounce you . . . an /Enemy of Poetry/. >>> --Bob >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> -- >> Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70506 >> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu >> 337-482-5478 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Thu Dec 8 18:04:19 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:04:19 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <695893.1323384498949.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <695893.1323384498949.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE14273.9050808@louisiana.edu> They were posted, but I'm afraid they've been taken down by the New Regime. I'll try to track them down for you--I'm pretty sure I already sent them to the Rothenbergs. Jerry On 12/8/2011 4:48 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > I'd love to see the photos, and I'm sure Jerry and Diane would too. > Have you posted them anywhere? > > I'll definitely give them your regards. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 5:44 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > Tell Rothenberg I said hi, Mark--you'll probably have to remind > him that it's u of louisiana at Lafayette--I have some great > photos of him with some outrageous Mardi Gras folks. What with the > festivals (Every man his own shaman) and general atmosphere of > laissez les bon temps rouler, he fit in quite nicely down here. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 4:32 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> Jerry: I didn't think you were dissing Berrigan. I couldn't of >> course know what else of his work you've read. It's almost >> inevitable, I guess, to read attitudes into very brief posts. >> >> Brief in my case because I'm in the midst of panic about >> presenting a very brief talk at tomorrow's birthday shindig for >> Jerry. >> >> Jerry is among the missing from Dove's anthology, as well as >> Schwerner, Notley and Berrigan. I agree about the unfairness to >> Notley, by the way. A wonderful poet. It completely mystifies me >> that anybody finds her work difficult. >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry McGuire >> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM >> To: NewPoetry List >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >> >> It's probably a mistake to judge any poet by one poem, early >> or late, Mark. Maybe it would be o.k. with Chaucer. I was >> actually trying not to be too judgmental. I just pointed out >> a couple of lines I didn't like so much in a poem I said I >> liked quite a bit, by a poet I said I liked quite a bit--if >> my memory doesn't fail me. As for Rothenberg, that high >> character study has fortunately lived long enough to earn >> quite a bit of appreciation, though probably more for his >> anthologies than for his poems (which I hasten to say I also >> like, as I like the man himself). I didn't, by the way, say >> that Berrigan was "invisible," just that you're less likely >> to come across him than you are Plath, Baraka, or Charles >> Wright--there are anthologies (maybe even Dove's--I've >> forgotten) where he shows up, along with the rest of the guys >> you mention. I suspect he shows up more than Alice Notley, >> and I'm not sure that's fair. _That_ probably has something >> to do with "accessibility"--Berrigan is readable even for >> people who'd have a fit over Schwermer or Notley. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 12/8/2011 3:52 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Jerry: It's probably unfair to judge Berrigan by this early >>> (1962), lovely but rather flawed poem. >>> >>> And maybe one needs to seek elsewhere for an explanation of >>> what might appear to be his relative obscurity--it's an >>> obscurity only if looked at from them other side of the >>> great and tiresome divide in American poetry. He was a >>> couple of years younger than Jerry Rothenberg, for instance, >>> who's also not widely included in mainstream anthologies, >>> tho his work can't be criticized in the terms you suggest. >>> Other contemporaries who are invisible if you close one >>> eye--David Antin, Armand Schwerner, Paul Blackburn--it's a >>> long list. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jerry McGuire >>> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM >>> To: NewPoetry List >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >>> >>> I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry >>> is a disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, >>> with some insight. I would agree, though, that Berrigan >>> probably wasn't strictly a perfect choirboy or exemplar >>> of the social norm--though I only have >>> second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know the >>> guy. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to me >>> to judge poets based on their mental health. What would >>> we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with >>> mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as >>> Berrigan's have managed to get themselves critical >>> appreciation over the long run (often, though not >>> always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of >>> the reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or >>> widely-anthologized as some folks born around the same >>> time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles Wright, to pick three >>> out of the air) is that his poems have none of that old >>> workshop smell, and don't bother with commonplaces like >>> "don't be viewy . . . don't be sentimental . . . don't >>> parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether one >>> is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria >>> sometimes without considering their precise context. >>> They tend to irk me, even in good poets like Berrigan; >>> but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some >>> sort of fundamental axioms for the construction of >>> perfect poems. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: >>>> *From:* Anthony Robinson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM >>>> *To:* NewPoetry List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan >>>> I disagree of course. >>>> >>>> And of course the poet is NOT insane. >>>> >>>> The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, >>>> seems esp. apt here to me. >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. But this seems to >>>> me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation >>>> against another, so I won't pronounce you . . . an >>>> /Enemy of Poetry/. >>>> --Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> -- >>> Jerry McGuire >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >>> Lafayette LA 70506 >>> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu >>> 337-482-5478 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> -- >> Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70506 >> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu >> 337-482-5478 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:26 AM, wrote: > Thanks, Jerry. > > I didn't mean of course that I envy you the hurricanes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 6:04 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > ** ** ** **** ** They were posted, but I'm afraid they've been taken down > by the New Regime. I'll try to track them down for you--I'm pretty sure I > already sent them to the Rothenbergs. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 4:48 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > I'd love to see the photos, and I'm sure Jerry and Diane would too. Have > you posted them anywhere? > > I'll definitely give them your regards. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 5:44 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > ** ** ** **** ** Tell Rothenberg I said hi, Mark--you'll probably have to > remind him that it's u of louisiana at Lafayette--I have some great photos > of him with some outrageous Mardi Gras folks. What with the festivals > (Every man his own shaman) and general atmosphere of laissez les bon temps > rouler, he fit in quite nicely down here. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 4:32 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > Jerry: I didn't think you were dissing Berrigan. I couldn't of course know > what else of his work you've read. It's almost inevitable, I guess, to read > attitudes into very brief posts. > > Brief in my case because I'm in the midst of panic about presenting a very > brief talk at tomorrow's birthday shindig for Jerry. > > Jerry is among the missing from Dove's anthology, as well as Schwerner, > Notley and Berrigan. I agree about the unfairness to Notley, by the way. A > wonderful poet. It completely mystifies me that anybody finds her work > difficult. > > Best, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > ** ** ** **** ** It's probably a mistake to judge any poet by one poem, > early or late, Mark. Maybe it would be o.k. with Chaucer. I was actually > trying not to be too judgmental. I just pointed out a couple of lines I > didn't like so much in a poem I said I liked quite a bit, by a poet I said > I liked quite a bit--if my memory doesn't fail me. As for Rothenberg, that > high character study has fortunately lived long enough to earn quite a bit > of appreciation, though probably more for his anthologies than for his > poems (which I hasten to say I also like, as I like the man himself). I > didn't, by the way, say that Berrigan was "invisible," just that you're > less likely to come across him than you are Plath, Baraka, or Charles > Wright--there are anthologies (maybe even Dove's--I've forgotten) where he > shows up, along with the rest of the guys you mention. I suspect he shows > up more than Alice Notley, and I'm not sure that's fair. _That_ probably > has something to do with "accessibility"--Berrigan is readable even for > people who'd have a fit over Schwermer or Notley. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 3:52 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > Jerry: It's probably unfair to judge Berrigan by this early (1962), lovely > but rather flawed poem. > > And maybe one needs to seek elsewhere for an explanation of what might > appear to be his relative obscurity--it's an obscurity only if looked at > from them other side of the great and tiresome divide in American poetry. > He was a couple of years younger than Jerry Rothenberg, for instance, who's > also not widely included in mainstream anthologies, tho his work can't be > criticized in the terms you suggest. Other contemporaries who are invisible > if you close one eye--David Antin, Armand Schwerner, Paul Blackburn--it's a > long list. > > Best, > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > ** ** ** **** ** I only agree with Bob ("All poets are insane") if poetry > is a disease of language--a virus, as Burroughs said, with some insight. I > would agree, though, that Berrigan probably wasn't strictly a perfect > choirboy or exemplar of the social norm--though I only have > second-and-third-hand rumor to go on; I didn't know the guy. On the other > hand, it doesn't make any sense to me to judge poets based on their mental > health. What would we do with Baudelaire? Certainly a lot of poets with > mental conditions and lifestyles just as eccentric as Berrigan's have > managed to get themselves critical appreciation over the long run (often, > though not always, after they've kicked it). I do think that one of the > reasons Berrigan isn't as well-known or widely-anthologized as some folks > born around the same time (Plath, Baraka, and Charles Wright, to pick three > out of the air) is that his poems have none of that old workshop smell, and > don't bother with commonplaces like "don't be viewy . . . don't be > sentimental . . . don't parade your romantic fantasies," etc. Like whether > one is well or ill, these things get applied as criteria sometimes without > considering their precise context. They tend to irk me, even in good poets > like Berrigan; but I certainly see them as matters of taste, not some sort > of fundamental axioms for the construction of perfect poems. > > Jerry > > On 12/8/2011 1:57 PM, bob grumman wrote: > > > > *From:* Anthony Robinson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > I disagree of course. > > And of course the poet is NOT insane. > > The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here > to me. > > Tony > > All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. But this seems to me a simple case > of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you > . . . an *Enemy of Poetry*. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.pianostreet.com/blog/piano-news/ > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 11:02:45 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:02:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <1323379933.10966.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323446565.72398.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Anthony Robinson? ... Bob Grumman, I presume ... --- On Thu, 12/8/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 4:32 PM No more insane than Frank O' Hara. But more relaxed and casual. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:57 PM ? ? From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? But this seems to me a simple case of one reasonable interpretation against another, so I won?t pronounce you . . . an Enemy of Poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Queen Elizabeth, who was obviously a man, conspired to have Shakespeare named as the author of his plays, because how could a man who had only a grammar-school education and spoke Latin and a little Greek possibly have written something as bad as ?All?s Well That Ends Well?? It makes no sense. It was obviously an upper-class twit who wished to disguise his identity so that Vanessa Redgrave could get a job in her old age. Read more http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2011/11/21/111121sh_shouts_idle#ixzz1g3Y282fu --- On Fri, 12/9/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 9, 2011, 11:02 AM Anthony Robinson? ... Bob Grumman, I presume ... --- On Thu, 12/8/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 4:32 PM No more insane than Frank O' Hara. But more relaxed and casual. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:57 PM ? ? From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? 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Incuding:? *?rope climbing and circus arts workshops? *?two stunning collages by Laynie Browne? *?signed copy of Zippermouth by Laurie Weeks? *?sets of broadsides from Poetry Foundation AND The Center for Book Arts!? And while you're bidding on exciting auction items, getting your raffle tickets, taking in the performances and sipping on (complimentary) beer from Brooklyn Brewery, you'll be helping Belladonna* publish innovative writers and create yet another season of diverse, adventurous events. Loving it??Tantalized? Check out our full online auction?catalog?-?http://www.belladonnaseries.org/benefit.html We hope to see you! ? Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 6:30 pm Location:?Hi Art! 227 West 29th Street, 4th Floor (between 7th & 8th) New York, NY 10001 ? Advance tickets only $12. 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Occupy is a serious youth movement ... mediocre, middle-Maya Angelo poets are none-the-less inspired ... where's Amira Baraka when he's needed ... probably aging, or at least attempting to write something less hall ... mark ... ish It moves my heart to see your awakened faces; the look of "aha!" shining, finally, in so many ? wide open eyes. Yes, we are the 99% all of us refusing to forget each other no matter, in our hunger, what crumbs are dropped by the 1%. The world we want is on the way; Arundhati and now we ? are hearing her breathing. That world we want is Us; united; already moving into it.?? ? ...Search the web: enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:26:33 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:26:33 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Dec 9 16:44:54 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:44:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <1323448730.42613.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323448730.42613.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anthony Robinson? ... or, Bob Grumman -- While it is perfectly obvious to everyone that Ben Jonson wrote all of Shakespeare?s plays, it is less known that Ben Jonson?s plays were written by a teen-age girl in Sunderland, who mysteriously disappeared, leaving no trace of her existence, which is clear proof that she wrote them. The plays of Marlowe were actually written by a chambermaid named Marlene, who faked her own orgasm, and then her own death in a Deptford tavern brawl. Queen Elizabeth, who was obviously a man, conspired to have Shakespeare named as the author of his plays, because how could a man who had only a grammar-school education and spoke Latin and a little Greek possibly have written something as bad as ?All?s Well That Ends Well?? It makes no sense. It was obviously an upper-class twit who wished to disguise his identity so that Vanessa Redgrave could get a job in her old age. Read more http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2011/11/21/111121sh_shouts_idle#ixzz1g3Y282fu I remember when The New Yorker published funny writers. This may be the worst satire on the anti-Stratfordians I?ve ever read. Amusingly, The New Yorker in fairly recent times published an article that was extremely respectful of the notion that Shakespeare was not a writer, which is insane, not just wrong. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 17:42:00 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:42:00 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Corso begat Berrigan in this case. Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:38:29 +0100 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan Words for Love for Sandy Winter crisp and the brittleness of snow as like make me tired as not. I go my myriad ways blundering, bombastic, dragged by a self that can never be still, pushed by my surging blood, my reasoning mind. I am in love with poetry. Every way I turn this, my weakness, smites me. A glass of chocolate milk, head of lettuce, darkness of clouds at one o?clock obsess me. I weep for all of these or laugh. By day I sleep, an obscurantist, lost in dreams of lists, compiled by my self for reassurance. Jackson Pollock?? Ren? Rilke?? Benedict Arnold?? I watch my psyche, smile, dream wet dreams, and sigh. At night, awake, high on poems, or pills or simple awe that loveliness exists, my lists flow differently. Of words bright red and black, and blue.? Bosky.? Oubliette.? Dissevered. And O, alas Time disturbs me. Always minute detail fills me up. It is 12:10 in New York. In Houston it is 2 p.m. It is time to steal books. It?s time to go mad. It is the day of the apocalypse the year of parrot fever! What am I saying? Only this. My poems do contain wilde beestes. I write for my Lady -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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LInk up, Grumman. --- On Fri, 12/9/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, December 9, 2011, 4:44 PM Anthony Robinson? ... or, Bob Grumman -- While it is perfectly obvious to everyone that Ben Jonson wrote all of Shakespeare?s plays, it is less known that Ben Jonson?s plays were written by a teen-age girl in Sunderland, who mysteriously disappeared, leaving no trace of her existence, which is clear proof that she wrote them. The plays of Marlowe were actually written by a chambermaid named Marlene, who faked her own orgasm, and then her own death in a Deptford tavern brawl. Queen Elizabeth, who was obviously a man, conspired to have Shakespeare named as the author of his plays, because how could a man who had only a grammar-school education and spoke Latin and a little Greek possibly have written something as bad as ?All?s Well That Ends Well?? It makes no sense. It was obviously an upper-class twit who wished to disguise his identity so that Vanessa Redgrave could get a job in her old age. Read more http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2011/11/21/111121sh_shouts_idle#ixzz1g3Y282fu ? I remember when The New Yorker published funny writers.? This may be the worst satire on the anti-Stratfordians I?ve ever read.? Amusingly, The New Yorker in fairly recent times published an article that was extremely respectful of the notion that Shakespeare was not a writer, which is insane, not just wrong. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From antrobin at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 20:26:42 2011 From: antrobin at gmail.com (Anthony Robinson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:26:42 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan In-Reply-To: <1323446565.72398.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323379933.10966.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1323446565.72398.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: must be bob. anthony robinson On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:02 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Anthony Robinson? ... Bob Grumman, I presume ... > > --- On *Thu, 12/8/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 4:32 PM > > No more insane than Frank O' Hara. But more relaxed and casual. > > --- On *Thu, 12/8/11, bob grumman * wrote: > > > From: bob grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:57 PM > > > > *From:* Anthony Robinson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan > > I disagree of course. > > And of course the poet is NOT insane. > > The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here > to me. > > Tony > > All poets are insane, Tony! Chee. 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But more relaxed and casual. --- On Thu, 12/8/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:57 PM ? ? From: Anthony Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Words for Love by Ted Berrigan ? I disagree of course. And of course the poet is NOT insane. The final line, while maybe, in some context treacly, seems esp. apt here to me. Tony ? All poets are insane, Tony!? Chee.? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: > > Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > > > > > > [image: VCCA Contact Information] > Forward email > > > This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | > Update Profile/Email Address > | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? > | Privacy Policy > . > Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| > VA | 24521 > > ****** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , Poetryetc Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! ? ?? ? Forward email This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | ? Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy. Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst | VA | 24521 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 10:50:33 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:50:33 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Elliott Carter playlist (earlier pieces): Quartet #1 (Composers Quartet); Variations for Orch. (Cincinnati/Gielan); Double Concerto (Jacobs; Kalish; Contemporary Music Group/Weisberg); Piano Sonata (Rosen); Quartet #2 (Juilliard); Conc. for Orch. (LS/Knussen) Serving the tri-state area. 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David Chirot HELLO EVERYONE I AM FINALLLY BACK 18 WEEKS HOSPITAL THEE MONTHS OLD FOLKS HOME/REHAB NEARLY DIED TWICE CAUGHT VRE DURING BACK OPERATION WEEK LATER NEARLY DIED AND IN HOSPITALS SINCEI MISSS YOU ALL SO MUCH THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE CARDS LETTERS GREETING ME BACK HERE I LOVE YOU ALL SO GLAD TO BE BACK LIKE A DREAM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 11:46:31 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:46:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) In-Reply-To: <22000706.1323534091533.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22000706.1323534091533.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken, more than half of the pieces he's composed so far have been done after he turned 80. Shorter pieces mostly, but still . . . Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM, wrote: > And he's still composing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) > > :: Listening 2: Elliott Carter playlist (earlier pieces): Quartet #1 > (Composers Quartet); Variations for Orch. (Cincinnati/Gielan); Double > Concerto (Jacobs; Kalish; Contemporary Music Group/Weisberg); Piano Sonata > (Rosen); Quartet #2 (Juilliard); Conc. for Orch. (LS/Knussen) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > ****** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 11:43:57 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:43:57 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! In-Reply-To: <33428658.1323533955406.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <33428658.1323533955406.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: They can and do. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM, wrote: > If the dead could protest they would. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, > male or female, is dead. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: > >> >> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson ** >> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >> Forward email >> >> >> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >> Update Profile/Email Address >> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >> | Privacy Policy >> . >> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| >> VA | 24521 >> >> ****** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM, wrote: And he's still composing! -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , Poetryetc Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) :: Listening 2: Elliott Carter playlist (earlier pieces): Quartet #1 (Composers Quartet); Variations for Orch. (Cincinnati/Gielan); Double Concerto (Jacobs; Kalish; Contemporary Music Group/Weisberg); Piano Sonata (Rosen); Quartet #2 (Juilliard); Conc. for Orch. (LS/Knussen) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 11:55:50 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:55:50 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) In-Reply-To: <1323536023.30977.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323536023.30977.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They know the score. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:53 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > ... composers ... conducters ... what's their secret? ... longevity ... Benny > Goodman had a great record with top new-school composers ... Carter, for > one ... Copeland, before Copeland turned mainstream ... possibly Cage ... > > --- On *Sat, 12/10/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 > tomorrow) > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Saturday, December 10, 2011, 11:46 AM > > > If I'm not mistaken, more than half of the pieces he's composed so far > have been done after he turned 80. Shorter pieces mostly, but still . . . > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM, > > wrote: > > And he's still composing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) > > :: Listening 2: Elliott Carter playlist (earlier pieces): Quartet #1 > (Composers Quartet); Variations for Orch. (Cincinnati/Gielan); Double > Concerto (Jacobs; Kalish; Contemporary Music Group/Weisberg); Piano Sonata > (Rosen); Quartet #2 (Juilliard); Conc. for Orch. (LS/Knussen) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > ****** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:16 AM, wrote: > Copeland in his last phase wrote a bunch of serial music. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen russell ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 > tomorrow) > > ... composers ... conducters ... what's their secret? ... longevity ... Benny > Goodman had a great record with top new-school composers ... Carter, for > one ... Copeland, before Copeland turned mainstream ... possibly Cage ... > > --- On *Sat, 12/10/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 > tomorrow) > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Saturday, December 10, 2011, 11:46 AM > > If I'm not mistaken, more than half of the pieces he's composed so far > have been done after he turned 80. Shorter pieces mostly, but still . . . > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM, > > wrote: > > And he's still composing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:50 AM > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2: Elliott Carter (who turns 103 tomorrow) > > :: Listening 2: Elliott Carter playlist (earlier pieces): Quartet #1 > (Composers Quartet); Variations for Orch. (Cincinnati/Gielan); Double > Concerto (Jacobs; Kalish; Contemporary Music Group/Weisberg); Piano Sonata > (Rosen); Quartet #2 (Juilliard); Conc. for Orch. (LS/Knussen) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > ****** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:21:05 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:21:05 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! In-Reply-To: <2369305.1323537457988.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2369305.1323537457988.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, not quite only. The Japanese also have their Day of the Dead sort of fiesta, though they don't call it that. They hang out in the cemetery with their dearly departeds, wash their gravestones with their favorite single malt, leave foods for them, music, etc. etc. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:17 AM, wrote: > Only on Day of the Dead and only in Mexico. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 11:43 AM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > They can and do. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM, wrote: > >> If the dead could protest they would. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson ** >> Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM >> To: NewPoetry List ** >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, >> male or female, is dead. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson ** >>> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >>> Forward email >>> >>> >>> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >>> Update Profile/Email Address >>> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >>> | Privacy Policy >>> . >>> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| >>> VA | 24521 >>> >>> ****** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:40:06 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:40:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Chirot Lives !@!!!@!!@!@!@! In-Reply-To: <1323535109.10771.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323535109.10771.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, welcome back to David Chirot. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > TRACKED HIM DOWN ... > > David Chirot > HELLO EVERYONE I AM FINALLLY BACK 18 WEEKS HOSPITAL THEE MONTHS OLD > FOLKS HOME/REHAB NEARLY DIED TWICE CAUGHT VRE DURING BACK OPERATION WEEK > LATER NEARLY DIED AND IN HOSPITALS SINCEI MISSS YOU ALL SO MUCH THANK YOU > SO MUCH FOR ALL THE CARDS LETTERS GREETING ME BACK HERE I LOVE YOU ALL SO > GLAD TO BE BACK LIKE A DREAM > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Happy to know you're better, David. havent been on Facebook since Halloween and realizing one misses a lot of news. we forget over and over how frail we all are. gabe On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thanks, welcome back to David Chirot. > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM, stephen russell wrote: > TRACKED HIM DOWN ... > > David Chirot > HELLO EVERYONE I AM FINALLLY BACK 18 WEEKS HOSPITAL THEE MONTHS OLD FOLKS HOME/REHAB NEARLY DIED TWICE CAUGHT VRE DURING BACK OPERATION WEEK LATER NEARLY DIED AND IN HOSPITALS SINCEI MISSS YOU ALL SO MUCH THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE CARDS LETTERS GREETING ME BACK HERE I LOVE YOU ALL SO GLAD TO BE BACK LIKE A DREAM > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:59:44 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:59:44 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! In-Reply-To: <33428658.1323533955406.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <33428658.1323533955406.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The title gives away everything: Entering The Real World. Ha. Yea. Sure. - Jim On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > If the dead could protest they would. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, > male or female, is dead. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: > >> >> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson ** >> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >> Forward email >> >> >> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >> Update Profile/Email Address >> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >> | Privacy Policy >> . >> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| >> VA | 24521 >> >> ****** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 13:02:00 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:02:00 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opera Message-ID: Gounod's Faust Live from the Met Saturday at Noon Join us on Saturday at 12 noon as the Metropolitan Opera performs Faust by Charles Gounod. (The performance will also be broadcast live in HD in six Iowa movie theaters.) The opera is conducted by the gifted French-Canadian Yannick N?zet-S?guin, recently appointed music director of the Philadelphia Orchestra. The starry cast features Jonas Kaufman in the title role and Rene Pape as Mephistopheles. http://iowapublicradio.org/classical/ on right now! -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, wrote: we forget over and over how frail we all are. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > The title gives away everything: Entering The Real World. Ha. Yea. Sure. > > - Jim > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > >> If the dead could protest they would. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson ** >> Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM >> To: NewPoetry List ** >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, >> male or female, is dead. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson ** >>> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >>> Forward email >>> >>> >>> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >>> Update Profile/Email Address >>> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >>> | Privacy Policy >>> . >>> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| >>> VA | 24521 >>> >>> ****** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM, wrote: > Wait. Sweetbriar's not the real world? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 12:59 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > The title gives away everything: Entering The Real World. Ha. Yea. Sure. > > - Jim > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > >> If the dead could protest they would. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson ** >> Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM >> To: NewPoetry List ** >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, >> male or female, is dead. >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> >> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >> >> Remains To Be Seen >> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >> *, *Mainly Black >> , *Obras P?blicas >> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >> ; **Tango Bouquet >> ; **Theory of Harmony >> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >> ; **The Sonnet Project >> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >> Journey ; **Eclipse >> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >> ;* >> *Transparencies & Projections >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson ** >>> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >>> Forward email >>> >>> >>> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >>> Update Profile/Email Address >>> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >>> | Privacy Policy >>> . >>> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | Amherst| >>> VA | 24521 >>> >>> ****** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Easy for *you* to say, young fella. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > > we forget over and over how frail we all are. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM, wrote: > And take showers together. At least I like to think so. > > VCCA is built on Sweetbriar property. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 1:43 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! > > Sweetbriar's across the highway, where the girls with their horses live. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM, wrote: > >> Wait. Sweetbriar's not the real world? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Cervantes ** >> Sent: Dec 10, 2011 12:59 PM >> To: NewPoetry List ** >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >> >> The title gives away everything: Entering The Real World. Ha. Yea. Sure. >> >> - Jim >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:19 AM, wrote: >> >>> If the dead could protest they would. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson ** >>> Sent: Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM >>> To: NewPoetry List ** >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >>> >>> Talk about imbalance! And, as far as I know, none of those contributors, >>> male or female, is dead. >>> >>> >>> Serving the tri-state area. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> >>> Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ >>> >>> Remains To Be Seen >>> *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) >>> ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) >>> , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems >>> *, *Mainly Black >>> , *Obras P?blicas >>> ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets >>> ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones >>> ; **Tango Bouquet >>> ; **Theory of Harmony >>> ; **Rapsodie espagnole >>> ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway >>> ; **The Sonnet Project >>> ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter >>> Journey ; **Eclipse >>> ; **The Dance of the Red Swan >>> ;* >>> *Transparencies & Projections >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:11 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wow. You're almost the only guy in it. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson ** >>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM >>>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" **, Poetryetc ** >>>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: IT'S HERE! - VCCA's Poetry Anthology! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: VCCA Contact Information] >>>> Forward email >>>> >>>> >>>> This email was sent to halvard at gmail.com by lboris at vcca.com | >>>> Update Profile/Email Address >>>> | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? >>>> | Privacy Policy >>>> . >>>> Virginia Center for the Creative Arts | 154 San Angelo Drive | >>>> Amherst | VA | 24521 >>>> >>>> ****** >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ >> >> The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just a couple of days ago Jforjames said that to be 97 nowadays is like being 70, you might be in your 40s then with that pony tail and jeans, :-) Me? I go to High School every morning.... On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: Easy for you?to say, young fella. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttps://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, wrote: we forget over and over how frail we all are.? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sat Dec 10 14:23:51 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:23:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Chirot Lives !@!!!@!!@!@!@! In-Reply-To: <1323544402.10982.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323544402.10982.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE8588620788D8-165C-5745A@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Greetings, I am sorry if I posted this before (but I don't think I have). Been so busy lately I don't know my keyboard from my kitchen. Anyway, there's an interview with me posted at Portuguese American Journal where I discuss finding my roots, Lisbon, poetry and a little bit about yoga and "stillness." I also talk about the first Portuguese writers conference Disquiet that was held this summer. Thanks in advance for reading it and/or checking it out. If you like it and share it or leave a comment, then double thanks!! http://portuguese-american-journal.com/poet-millicent-borges-accardi-reconnects-with-her-roots-interview-2/ Millicent -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chirot Lives !@!!!@!!@!@!@! I do to, Anny. It's not a youth thing, or an aging thing. It's Revenge ... --- On Sat, 12/10/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Chirot Lives !@!!!@!!@!@!@! To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 10, 2011, 1:54 PM Do you maybe think you are that old? Just a couple of days ago Jforjames said that to be 97 nowadays is like being 70, you might be in your 40s then with that pony tail and jeans, :-) Me? I go to High School every morning.... On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: Easy for you to say, young fella. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, wrote: we forget over and over how frail we all are. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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When it chanced, we couldn?t tell That it would always be This waiting in a busy room For immortality. 2 The birds attain superior life The others never find; I wish my obligations Might dabble with the wind. Within his strictest tenement Deciduous to rise, That wing confining aviary To me were Paradise. But mapping bounds of heaven, Topographers will pause Before they reach that other house, And justify the jaws. Essential circumscription, I find its premise odd, Which grants necessity of bird, But contradicts the cat. From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Dec 10 17:38:26 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:38:26 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] for Emily Dickinson's Birthday and Jerry Rothenberg's In-Reply-To: <6737009.1323555045410.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6737009.1323555045410.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE3DF62.1040303@louisiana.edu> Yes, and the way he sets it up (i.e., the triple slant rhyme) in the preceding stanza. I wonder if he'd still want to force that "wing confining aviary" in there today? Of course, you do a lot of things when you're young that you wouldn't do when you're old; but even more that you can't. Jerry On 12/10/2011 4:10 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > On the occasion of Emily Dickinson's birthday, and a day before Jerome Rothenberg's 80th, "Two Poems, after Emily Dickinson," written when he was about 20. From his collection "Retrievals: Uncollected& New Poems 1955-2010," available (at a discount) at junctionpress.com. > > Note the final wicked slant rhyme. > > > > Two Poems, after Emily Dickinson > > 1 > The last train left at five o?clock, > Somehow we missed the way; > We?ll have to sit in waiting rooms > until eternity. > > Tickets form an ark of snow, > Water comes in drops, > While this earth-bound passenger > Studies secret maps, > > Inquires at the agent?s door > If the next train leaves, > Anxious to reduce delay > To a term of weeks. > > When it chanced, we couldn?t tell > That it would always be > This waiting in a busy room > For immortality. > > 2 > The birds attain superior life > The others never find; > I wish my obligations > Might dabble with the wind. > > Within his strictest tenement > Deciduous to rise, > That wing confining aviary > To me were Paradise. > > But mapping bounds of heaven, > Topographers will pause > Before they reach that other house, > And justify the jaws. > > Essential circumscription, > I find its premise odd, > Which grants necessity of bird, > But contradicts the cat. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). John I said or Jon I sed if that is indeed his real name Can anyone come to my rescue? Thanks, Millicent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 18:55:33 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:55:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question Message-ID: <31632680.1323561334274.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Borges Accardi Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). John I said or Jon I sed if that is indeed his real name Can anyone come to my rescue? Thanks, Millicent _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 20:41:47 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:41:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question Message-ID: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Dec 10 20:59:54 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:59:54 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> I have to say (and I do love this poem) that that's just the kind of nutty thing Creeley would claim out of perversity or peevishness--that the only sensible way to read the poem is a misreading. (Why would "he" suddenly shift and refer to the "I" speaking previously?) I've been in a VW bug with Creeley driving, and itn was a harrowing experience even for someone (me) who spent half his life driving drunk--he had no depth perception, and was often informally medicated. I suspect that "drive . . . for christ's sake, look out where yr going" is something Creeley heard more than once. And anyway, whose word are you going to take on this, mine or the author's? Jerry On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. > The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not > John's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > YES! > > Thank you so much. I kept thinking it was a Dream Song. > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > Robert Creeley, "I know a man." > > > I Know a Man > > As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). > > John I said > > or Jon I sed > > if that is indeed his real name > > > > > > Can anyone come to my rescue? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Millicent > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Millicent Borges Accardi wrote: > This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). > > John I said > > or Jon I sed > > if that is indeed his real name > > > > Can anyone come to my rescue? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Millicent > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 04:29:51 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:29:51 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Penny Harter Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiqfMFWHbBY&feature=player_embedded the difference between grievances and grief as underlined by Frost, a moving reading by Penny Harter and a haiku: http://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.me%2Fp1GE6P-R3&t=friday+feast%3A+moon-seeking+soup+by+penny+harter -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 05:26:44 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:26:44 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] for Emily Dickinson's Birthday and Jerry Rothenberg's In-Reply-To: <6346364.1323559370260.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6346364.1323559370260.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Very nice. Do you think they will put the video on the web? On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:22 AM, wrote: > Around the same time he wrote five sonnets after various baroque Spanish > and Italian originals. Echt sonnets. fourteen lines, rhyme, iambic. And > there's one piece in an invented dialect written at 15 or 16. They're all > in Retrievals. > > There was an endless celebration of Jerry last night at CUNY. Three hours > of talks and encomia. Endless because my talk went last. Then Jerry read a > new sequence. Oh my. He's been at the top of his game for a long long time. > > His wife Diane spoke movingly about their marriage. They met in elementary > school! > > I love these people. I feel immensely lucky to have them as friends. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 5:38 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] for Emily Dickinson's Birthday and Jerry > Rothenberg's > > ** ** ** **** ** Yes, and the way he sets it up (i.e., the triple slant > rhyme) in the preceding stanza. I wonder if he'd still want to force that > "wing confining aviary" in there today? Of course, you do a lot of things > when you're young that you wouldn't do when you're old; but even more that > you can't. > > Jerry > > On 12/10/2011 4:10 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > On the occasion of Emily Dickinson's birthday, and a day before Jerome Rothenberg's 80th, "Two Poems, after Emily Dickinson," written when he was about 20. From his collection "Retrievals: Uncollected & New Poems 1955-2010," available (at a discount) at junctionpress.com. > > Note the final wicked slant rhyme. > > > > Two Poems, after Emily Dickinson > > 1 > The last train left at five o?clock, > Somehow we missed the way; > We?ll have to sit in waiting rooms > until eternity. > > Tickets form an ark of snow, > Water comes in drops, > While this earth-bound passenger > Studies secret maps, > > Inquires at the agent?s door > If the next train leaves, > Anxious to reduce delay > To a term of weeks. > > When it chanced, we couldn?t tell > That it would always be > This waiting in a busy room > For immortality. > > 2 > The birds attain superior life > The others never find; > I wish my obligations > Might dabble with the wind. > > Within his strictest tenement > Deciduous to rise, > That wing confining aviary > To me were Paradise. > > But mapping bounds of heaven, > Topographers will pause > Before they reach that other house, > And justify the jaws. > > Essential circumscription, > I find its premise odd, > Which grants necessity of bird, > But contradicts the cat. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 05:41:43 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:41:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: poor Jerry! On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I have to say (and I do love this poem) that that's just the kind of > nutty thing Creeley would claim out of perversity or peevishness--that the > only sensible way to read the poem is a misreading. (Why would "he" > suddenly shift and refer to the "I" speaking previously?) I've been in a VW > bug with Creeley driving, and itn was a harrowing experience even for > someone (me) who spent half his life driving drunk--he had no depth > perception, and was often informally medicated. I suspect that "drive . . > . for christ's sake, look out where yr going" is something Creeley heard > more than once. And anyway, whose word are you going to take on this, mine > or the author's? > > Jerry > > > On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The > word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > YES! > > Thank you so much. I kept thinking it was a Dream Song. > > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > Robert Creeley, "I know a man." > > I Know a Man As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). > > John I said > > or Jon I sed > > if that is indeed his real name > > > > > Can anyone come to my rescue? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Millicent > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ** **** > ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 05:43:20 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:43:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <30237634.1323570387531.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30237634.1323570387531.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I don't know, but this poem has always been very clear to me and Jerry's words make me think that what I thought is right. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:26 AM, wrote: > He had been asked a question about the movie "Drive, he said." That they'd > got it wrong. I know, the punctuation really sucks if that was his > intention, but imagine ellipses or a dash after drive, the breath cut off > in mid-speech. Reads better, and reads like something he would have done in > the 60s. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry McGuire ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:59 PM > To: NewPoetry List ** > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > ** ** ** **** ** I have to say (and I do love this poem) that that's just > the kind of nutty thing Creeley would claim out of perversity or > peevishness--that the only sensible way to read the poem is a misreading. > (Why would "he" suddenly shift and refer to the "I" speaking previously?) > I've been in a VW bug with Creeley driving, and itn was a harrowing > experience even for someone (me) who spent half his life driving drunk--he > had no depth perception, and was often informally medicated. I suspect > that "drive . . . for christ's sake, look out where yr going" is > something Creeley heard more than once. And anyway, whose word are you > going to take on this, mine or the author's? > > Jerry > > On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The > word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi ** > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > YES! > > Thank you so much. I kept thinking it was a Dream Song. > > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > Robert Creeley, "I know a man." > > I Know a Man As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Borges Accardi > Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). > > John I said > > or Jon I sed > > if that is indeed his real name > > > > > Can anyone come to my rescue? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Millicent > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ** **** > ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > ** ** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Dec 11 10:55:50 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:55:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question I have to say (and I do love this poem) that that's just the kind of nutty thing Creeley would claim out of perversity or peevishness--that the only sensible way to read the poem is a misreading. (Why would "he" suddenly shift and refer to the "I" speaking previously?) I've been in a VW bug with Creeley driving, and itn was a harrowing experience even for someone (me) who spent half his life driving drunk--he had no depth perception, and was often informally medicated. I suspect that "drive . . . for christ's sake, look out where yr going" is something Creeley heard more than once. And anyway, whose word are you going to take on this, mine or the author's? Jerry On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Borges Accardi Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question YES! Thank you so much. I kept thinking it was a Dream Song. Millicent -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Borges Accardi Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). John I said or Jon I sed if that is indeed his real name Can anyone come to my rescue? Thanks, Millicent _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 11:35:22 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1323621322.98394.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (which was not his name) ... scaring the passenger shitless ... & the poem is chilling ... all in 4 stanzas until someone slams on the brakes. A classic, widely printed, Creeley. --- On Sun, 12/11/11, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, December 11, 2011, 10:55 AM I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents.? In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question I have to say (and I do love this poem) that that's just the kind of nutty thing Creeley would claim out of perversity or peevishness--that the only sensible way to read the poem is a misreading. (Why would "he" suddenly shift and refer to the "I" speaking previously?) I've been in a VW bug with Creeley driving, and itn was a harrowing experience even for someone (me) who spent half his life driving drunk--he had no depth perception, and was often informally medicated. I suspect that "drive . . . for christ's sake, look out where yr going" is something Creeley heard more than once. And anyway, whose word are you going to take on this, mine or the author's? Jerry On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: #yiv1410494205 #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_2_e653d926-2b23-49cb-b6dc-e68638b7fcba td{color:black;}#yiv1410494205 #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_2_e653d926-2b23-49cb-b6dc-e68638b7fcba body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Borges Accardi Sent: Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question YES! Thank you so much. I kept thinking it was a Dream Song. ? Millicent -----Original Message----- From: junction To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question #yiv1410494205 #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_2_e653d926-2b23-49cb-b6dc-e68638b7fcba td{color:black;}#yiv1410494205 #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_2_e653d926-2b23-49cb-b6dc-e68638b7fcba #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_0_9445e835-4981-4e8e-b544-f3b18d3ed44c td{color:black;}#yiv1410494205 #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_2_e653d926-2b23-49cb-b6dc-e68638b7fcba #yiv1410494205AOLMsgPart_0_9445e835-4981-4e8e-b544-f3b18d3ed44c body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Borges Accardi Sent: Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question This has absolutely been killing me and since I do not have the spelling right or the title, the grand expanse of the Internet has done me no good at all. I am trying to remember the poem, which could be a Dream Song or something else. It is short. It is about two men in a car, one is drunk. Perhaps they both are? The syntax and spelling are irregular and, at the end it opens up to the world with its brilliance. All I can remember is a line like this (which is probably not even close to what it actually is). John I said or Jon I sed if that is indeed his real name Can anyone come to my rescue? Thanks, Millicent _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Dec 11 11:50:45 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:50:45 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American > values that 'goddamn big car' represents. > In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a > little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. > Finnegan > > --- > On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. >> The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not >> John's. >> >> >> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >> >> >> I Know a Man >> >> As I sd to my >> friend, because I am >> always talking, -- John, I >> >> sd, which was not his >> name, the darkness sur- >> rounds us, what >> >> can we do against >> it, or else, shall we & >> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >> >> drive, he sd, for >> christ's sake, look >> out where yr going. >> -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:27:45 2011 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:27:45 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Creeleys' "I know a man" seems to be an extension of Williams' "To Elsie" which ends, apporximately, "No one to witness and adjust / no one to drive the car." Williams had just juxtaposed the vibrant, though debased, "culture" of Elsie with the wall-paper (Hallmark card) cultural imagination of the middle class, then wonders where this is going . . . Creeley qualifies the question. I don't know if anyone has noted this and I wrote the secondary bibliography on Creeley in the late 1980s. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of > the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay > in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, > and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) > Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just > looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published > today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought > that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I > read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, > which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains > > The Warning > > For love--I would > split open your head and put > a candle in > behind the eyes. > > Love is dead in us > if we forget > the virtues of an amulet > and quick surprise. > > > And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen > the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it > was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what > he says about his own poems.) > > The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn > big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's > interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I > always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, > 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from > early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. > When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a > lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, > Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, > Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no > minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image > invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising > machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and > were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle > critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in > light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the > publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial > piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." > > Jerry > > > On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values > that 'goddamn big car' represents. > In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little > out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. > Finnegan > > --- > On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > > In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The > word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. > > > Robert Creeley, "I know a man." > > I Know a Man As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Dec 11 12:41:51 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:41:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu><8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com><4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM, wrote: > To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size > that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely > taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential > dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the > meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, > reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so > much as says). > Finnegan > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of >> the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay >> in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, >> and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) >> Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just >> looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published >> today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought >> that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I >> read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, >> which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains >> >> The Warning >> >> For love--I would >> split open your head and put >> a candle in >> behind the eyes. >> >> Love is dead in us >> if we forget >> the virtues of an amulet >> and quick surprise. >> >> >> And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen >> the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it >> was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what >> he says about his own poems.) >> >> The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn >> big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's >> interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I >> always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, >> 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from >> early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. >> When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a >> lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, >> Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, >> Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no >> minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image >> invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising >> machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and >> were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle >> critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in >> light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the >> publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial >> piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." >> >> Jerry >> >> >> On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values >> that 'goddamn big car' represents. >> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a >> little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >> Finnegan >> >> --- >> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> >> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The >> word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. >> >> >> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >> >> I Know a Man As I sd to my >> friend, because I am >> always talking, -- John, I >> >> sd, which was not his >> name, the darkness sur- >> rounds us, what >> >> can we do against >> it, or else, shall we & >> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >> >> drive, he sd, for >> christ's sake, look >> out where yr going. >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:52:14 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:52:14 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. That's about it. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size > that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely > taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential > dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the > meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, > reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so > much as says). > Finnegan > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of >> the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay >> in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, >> and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) >> Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just >> looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published >> today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought >> that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I >> read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, >> which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains >> >> The Warning >> >> For love--I would >> split open your head and put >> a candle in >> behind the eyes. >> >> Love is dead in us >> if we forget >> the virtues of an amulet >> and quick surprise. >> >> >> And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen >> the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it >> was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what >> he says about his own poems.) >> >> The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn >> big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's >> interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I >> always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, >> 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from >> early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. >> When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a >> lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, >> Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, >> Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no >> minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image >> invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising >> machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and >> were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle >> critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in >> light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the >> publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial >> piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." >> >> Jerry >> >> >> On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values >> that 'goddamn big car' represents. >> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a >> little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >> Finnegan >> >> --- >> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >> >> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The >> word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. >> >> >> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >> >> I Know a Man As I sd to my >> friend, because I am >> always talking, -- John, I >> >> sd, which was not his >> name, the darkness sur- >> rounds us, what >> >> can we do against >> it, or else, shall we & >> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >> >> drive, he sd, for >> christ's sake, look >> out where yr going. >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Dec 11 13:02:55 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:02:55 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu><8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com><4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> Well, yes: "a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction." That's what I mean by Beat Romanticism. As Richard Slotkin showed in _Regeneration Through Violence, Fatal Environment,_ and _Gunfighter Nation,_ what you're describing, far from a critique of American values, is a foundational imagery for our occupation of this hemisphere--a mythology of purgative violence transforming through the centuries to a celebration of anarchic individualism. (I'm not saying that Creeley was John Galt, of course--just that the romance of the open road--and of a powerful vehicle under you or between your legs--is not all that different, in mythic terms, from any romance of irresponsibility and scoffing at the rules of the herd--Gordon Gekko fans, take note.) Jerry On 12/11/2011 11:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its > size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had > definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a > philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving > on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, > that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking > a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). > Finnegan > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: > > An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was > one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've > always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he > wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very > different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it > feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just > looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were > published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it > nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels > as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ > feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes > kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains > > The Warning > > For love--I would > split open your head and put > a candle in > behind the eyes. > > Love is dead in us > if we forget > the virtues of an amulet > and quick surprise. > > > And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to > have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso > horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I > can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) > > The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that > "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American > values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in > the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of > American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned > rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem > was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what > "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The > early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, > etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, > Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There > were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny > soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., > forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties > cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you > see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American > values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent > history than it did when it was written--before the publication, > for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece > of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." > > Jerry > > > On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com > wrote: >> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American >> values that 'goddamn big car' represents. >> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a >> little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >> Finnegan >> >> --- >> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net >> wrote: >>> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been >>> misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the >>> speaker's voice, not John's. >>> >>> >>> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >>> >>> >>> I Know a Man >>> >>> As I sd to my >>> friend, because I am >>> always talking, -- John, I >>> >>> sd, which was not his >>> name, the darkness sur- >>> rounds us, what >>> >>> can we do against >>> it, or else, shall we & >>> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >>> >>> drive, he sd, for >>> christ's sake, look >>> out where yr going. >>> > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:58:23 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:58:23 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Look where you're going: still good advice for drivers and walkers. Do parents still teach this anymore? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks > and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, > of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or > existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. > That's about it. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > >> To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size >> that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely >> taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential >> dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the >> meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, >> reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so >> much as says). >> Finnegan >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >> >>> An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of >>> the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay >>> in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, >>> and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) >>> Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just >>> looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published >>> today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought >>> that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I >>> read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, >>> which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains >>> >>> The Warning >>> >>> For love--I would >>> split open your head and put >>> a candle in >>> behind the eyes. >>> >>> Love is dead in us >>> if we forget >>> the virtues of an amulet >>> and quick surprise. >>> >>> >>> And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have >>> seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought >>> it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously >>> what he says about his own poems.) >>> >>> The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that >>> "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." >>> It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early >>> seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle >>> cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over >>> from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early >>> fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that >>> context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, >>> Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than >>> Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There >>> were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe >>> the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising >>> machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and >>> were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle >>> critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in >>> light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the >>> publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial >>> piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values >>> that 'goddamn big car' represents. >>> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a >>> little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >>> Finnegan >>> >>> --- >>> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The >>> word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. >>> >>> >>> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >>> >>> I Know a Man As I sd to my >>> friend, because I am >>> always talking, -- John, I >>> >>> sd, which was not his >>> name, the darkness sur- >>> rounds us, what >>> >>> can we do against >>> it, or else, shall we & >>> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >>> >>> drive, he sd, for >>> christ's sake, look >>> out where yr going. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jerry McGuire >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >>> Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Dec 11 13:11:25 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:11:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu><8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com><4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu><8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CE86476E476845-17FC-81983@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Well there's that quick/sidelong questioning going on of the "...shall we / & why not..." phrasing. And of course decision made are starting to go awry at the end. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McGuire To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 8:03 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Well, yes: "a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction." That's what I mean by Beat Romanticism. As Richard Slotkin showed in _Regeneration Through Violence, Fatal Environment,_ and _Gunfighter Nation,_ what you're describing, far from a critique of American values, is a foundational imagery for our occupation of this hemisphere--a mythology of purgative violence transforming through the centuries to a celebration of anarchic individualism. (I'm not saying that Creeley was John Galt, of course--just that the romance of the open road--and of a powerful vehicle under you or between your legs--is not all that different, in mythic terms, from any romance of irresponsibility and scoffing at the rules of the herd--Gordon Gekko fans, take note.) Jerry On 12/11/2011 11:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. That's about it. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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The Sacred After the teacher asked if anyone had a sacred place and the students fidgeted and shrunk in their chairs, the most serious of them all said it was his car, being in it alone, his tape deck playing things he'd chosen, and others knew the truth had been spoken and began speaking about their rooms, their hiding places, but the car kept coming up, the car in motion, music filling it, and sometimes one other person who understood the bright altar of the dashboard and how far away a car could take him from the need to speak, or to answer, the key in having a key and putting it in, and going. Stephen Dunn, Between Angels (Norton, 1989) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Dec 11 13:33:55 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:33:55 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <27461800.1323627114437.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27461800.1323627114437.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EE4F793.3030105@louisiana.edu> Interesting recollections, Mark. We were 10-year-old Fords people. (Later, a Rambler; later, a toyota pickup--but still, ten years old seemed to be the upper limit.) I learned to drive on late-forties cars (a fluid-drive dodge; a pickup truck; a 1950 Ford). We used the shell and drive train of a Model A to power the buzz-saw (the Great Terror of my childhood) we used to saw logs into woodstove lengths. (I grew up doing most of the splitting.) So for me, coming to something like awareness in the mid-fifties, I saw (on one side) ten-year-old clunkers, all about the same size, and (on the other--cars one admired) Ford Victorias, Chevy Belairs, and (a life-changing and life-defining experience for me) the very rare and exotic MGTC or bug-eye Sprite. And the tv (I almost never went to an actual movie in those years) showed gangster cars from the thirties and forties and the new suburban dream-cars (the station wagon, especially). I just don't recall, and can't reconstruct, the moment you're talking about. As for being "outsized in people's imaginations in 1948," I'm not sure that wasn't always the case. (See _Sullivan's Travels_ from 1941, or _They Live By Night,_ _Detour_, or all those gangster flicks--screaming tires and tommyguns!) And that's the point I was trying to make to Finnegan--that our imagination of the car has always been mythic (it allowed us to do all but fly, it let us move, usually west, or at least to the beach). Those fantasies are (I'm saying) more a part of the American Dream than a "critique" of it. Fleetingly-- Jerry On 12/11/2011 12:11 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > Or cling to the white line. How I once wound up in Montauk while > driving from Manhattan to Queens. Probably on the same mix of > chemicals Bob was on. > > Re: great big cars. During WWII almost no cars were produced in the US > (but a lot of tanks). So the roads were still filled with model A's > and other things with running boards and jump seats. By about 1948 car > making had ramped up again, and those old clunkers (think how old they > were by then) began to disappear from the road in favor of high > horsepower replacements. If you revved the engine of a model A there > wasn't much to brag about. These new cars roared. And they were > enormous compared to what all but the wealthiest had driven up to that > point. My father, who needed a car for business that projected > prosperity but also had a lot of space for sample cases went through a > succession of Chryslers and Caddies. Cars and the power under the hood > were a very big deal. So they got bigger and bigger for a few decades. > But they were already outsized in people's imaginations in 1948. > > This all comes out of personal memory. I even got to ride in the jump > seat once, and running boards lined the streets of my early childhood > and provided benches for wee folk. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Dec 11, 2011 12:44 PM > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > Going with the flow--that's the ticket. > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,//Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , > /Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > /, > /Mainly Black > , > /Obras P?blicas > ; > //The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet > ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; > ////The Dance of the Red Swan > ;/ > /Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM, > wrote: > > To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car > and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car > culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more > that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by > buying and driving on. No time for considering the > meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go > headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of > direction (as the ending so much as says). > Finnegan > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire > > wrote: > > An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because > it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly > to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his > oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and > his late work is very different, both thematically and > stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal > illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that > again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published > today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it > nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. > It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) > The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine > wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite > remains > > The Warning > > For love--I would > split open your head and put > a candle in > behind the eyes. > > Love is dead in us > if we forget > the virtues of an amulet > and quick surprise. > > > And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed > not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little > virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely > image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he > says about his own poems.) > > The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment > is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of > America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, > having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always > imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars > (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets > left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was > written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what > "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot > fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, > Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) > much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't > made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe > the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image > invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) > cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties > cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. > Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of > America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in > light of subsequent history than it did when it was > written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the > Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat > romanticism in "goddamn big car." > > Jerry > > > On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com > wrote: >> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of >> America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. >> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to >> me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >> Finnegan >> >> --- >> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net >> wrote: >>> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually >>> been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is >>> in the speaker's voice, not John's. >>> >>> >>> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >>> >>> >>> I Know a Man >>> >>> As I sd to my >>> friend, because I am >>> always talking, -- John, I >>> >>> sd, which was not his >>> name, the darkness sur- >>> rounds us, what >>> >>> can we do against >>> it, or else, shall we & >>> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >>> >>> drive, he sd, for >>> christ's sake, look >>> out where yr going. >>> > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Dec 11 13:53:03 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:53:03 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: <8CE864A4C825A01-17FC-820F9@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu><8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com><4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu><8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com><4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> <8CE86476E476845-17FC-81983@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <8CE864A4C825A01-17FC-820F9@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4EE4FC0F.8070703@louisiana.edu> Right. Like they say, "Poetry in motion." When I was younger I actually wrote while I was driving fairly often--some impulse would hit, some association kick in, some object snap up out of the landscape, and I'd lean over to write on the pad I kept on the passenger seat, one eye (if I was lucky) on the road. I'm sure there are more great car poems out there. Anyone got a live one? (I just recalled one of my own, which I'll append): Jerry STUTZ The picture my sister sent pinballed through the internet like a cat ricocheting around a living-room after a parakeet that's skipped its cage, and hit home and was clicked upon and blossomed in me like the blood of that parakeet on a white wool carpet when she's clicked on by that cat. Ouch, I thought, how young my father was, there behind that weird butterflied windscreen of his '26 Stutz back when none of this had happened. Whatever baredirt yard he's in says scrapyard or brickyard all over. You know that all the dogs are mutts here, even his most virtuous and virtuosic Lady, than whom none was ever blacker in the field and stream. Somewhere around here (it's spring) there must be a litter of buggy kittens. The litter of louse-ridden kids is still on the way, razzle in the old man's eye. Here he's just warming up, the Bearcat purrs and growls, the Depression is a pissant he hammers his horn at as he blows by. He told me once that he and his father worked a while in the same mill, boxboard or cider, and every night hi-balling home he'd watch the old man go white in the face and dig his fingers in the armrests of the Stutz like an inner tube going over Niagara. "But he never said a word," he said. It must have been fine, I thought, to have a car that terrified your father so he nearly wet his pants. I thought (though I didn't see it at the time), Where's the little bird I can chase around my cage till it gives in? Where's my baby? Where's my Bearcat? What's the catch? On 12/11/2011 12:31 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > The car perspective, from the inside out... > > The Sacred > > > After the teacher asked if anyone had > a sacred place > and the students fidgeted and shrunk > > in their chairs, the most serious of them all > said it was his car, > being in it alone, his tape deck playing > > things he'd chosen, and others knew the truth > had been spoken > and began speaking about their rooms, > > their hiding places, but the car kept coming > up, the car in motion, > music filling it, and sometimes one other person > > who understood the bright altar of the dashboard > and how far away > a car could take him from the need > > to speak, or to answer, the key > in having a key > and putting it in, and going. > > > Stephen Dunn, Between Angels (Norton, 1989) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antrobin at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:00:15 2011 From: antrobin at gmail.com (Anthony Robinson) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:00:15 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: <4EE4FC0F.8070703@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> <8CE86476E476845-17FC-81983@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <8CE864A4C825A01-17FC-820F9@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4FC0F.8070703@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Gabe's entire book Rhode Island Notebook was written in the car, while driving. Tony On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > Right. Like they say, "Poetry in motion." When I was younger I actually > wrote while I was driving fairly often--some impulse would hit, some > association kick in, some object snap up out of the landscape, and I'd lean > over to write on the pad I kept on the passenger seat, one eye (if I was > lucky) on the road. I'm sure there are more great car poems out there. > Anyone got a live one? (I just recalled one of my own, which I'll append): > > Jerry > > > > > STUTZ**** > > **** > The picture my sister sent pinballed through the internet**** > like a cat ricocheting around a living-room**** > after a parakeet that?s skipped its cage, and hit home and was clicked**** > upon and blossomed in me like the blood of that parakeet**** > on a white wool carpet when she?s clicked on by that cat.**** > Ouch, I thought, how young my father was, there behind**** > that weird butterflied windscreen of his ?26 Stutz**** > back when none of this had happened. Whatever baredirt yard**** > he?s in says scrapyard or brickyard all over. You know that all the dogs** > ** > are mutts here, even his most virtuous and virtuosic**** > Lady, than whom none was ever blacker in the field and stream.**** > Somewhere around here (it?s spring) there must be a litter**** > of buggy kittens. The litter of louse-ridden kids**** > is still on the way, razzle in the old man?s eye.**** > Here he?s just warming up, the Bearcat purrs and growls,**** > the Depression is a pissant he hammers his horn at**** > as he blows by. He told me once that he and his father**** > worked a while in the same mill, boxboard or cider,**** > and every night hi-balling home he?d watch the old man go white**** > in the face and dig his fingers in the armrests of the Stutz**** > like an inner tube going over Niagara. ?But he never said a word,?**** > he said. It must have been fine, I thought, to have a car**** > that terrified your father so he nearly wet his pants. I thought**** > (though I didn?t see it at the time), Where?s the little bird**** > I can chase around my cage till it gives in?**** > Where?s my baby? Where?s my Bearcat? What?s the catch?**** > > **** > > > **** > > > > > On 12/11/2011 12:31 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > The car perspective, from the inside out... > > The Sacred > > > After the teacher asked if anyone had > a sacred place > and the students fidgeted and shrunk > > in their chairs, the most serious of them all > said it was his car, > being in it alone, his tape deck playing > > things he'd chosen, and others knew the truth > had been spoken > and began speaking about their rooms, > > their hiding places, but the car kept coming > up, the car in motion, > music filling it, and sometimes one other person > > who understood the bright altar of the dashboard > and how far away > a car could take him from the need > > to speak, or to answer, the key > in having a key > and putting it in, and going. > > > Stephen Dunn, Between Angels (Norton, 1989) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Big words - a lot of words are meant to suffocate what was conveyed, which is what the politician of poetry do. Or directors of operas or of any big biz, big blossoming balloons that will pop quite soon, night from here. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks > and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, > of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or > existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. > That's about it. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > >> To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size >> that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely >> taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential >> dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the >> meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, >> reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so >> much as says). >> Finnegan >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: >> >>> An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of >>> the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay >>> in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, >>> and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) >>> Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just >>> looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published >>> today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought >>> that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I >>> read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, >>> which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains >>> >>> The Warning >>> >>> For love--I would >>> split open your head and put >>> a candle in >>> behind the eyes. >>> >>> Love is dead in us >>> if we forget >>> the virtues of an amulet >>> and quick surprise. >>> >>> >>> And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have >>> seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought >>> it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously >>> what he says about his own poems.) >>> >>> The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that >>> "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." >>> It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early >>> seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle >>> cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over >>> from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early >>> fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that >>> context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, >>> Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than >>> Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There >>> were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe >>> the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising >>> machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and >>> were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle >>> critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in >>> light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the >>> publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial >>> piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values >>> that 'goddamn big car' represents. >>> In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a >>> little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. >>> Finnegan >>> >>> --- >>> On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>> In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The >>> word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. >>> >>> >>> Robert Creeley, "I know a man." >>> >>> I Know a Man As I sd to my >>> friend, because I am >>> always talking, -- John, I >>> >>> sd, which was not his >>> name, the darkness sur- >>> rounds us, what >>> >>> can we do against >>> it, or else, shall we & >>> why not, buy a goddamn big car, >>> >>> drive, he sd, for >>> christ's sake, look >>> out where yr going. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jerry McGuire >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >>> Lafayette LA 70506jlm8047 at louisiana.edu337-482-5478 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 16:13:54 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:13:54 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu>, <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu>, , <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: Gabe's Rhode Island Notebook aside, I only got my driver's license when I was forty--and it really was only by an act of charity (or maybe recklessness) of the Las Cruces, New Mexico DMV; In short, if I wrote when I drove, disasters of great magnitude would ensue. I am sure of this, since I have been known to hit curbs when only writing "poems in my head." But I admire all your poet-composing-while-driving-poets out there. Sheila Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:58:23 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Look where you're going: still good advice for drivers and walkers.Do parents still teach this anymore? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. That's about it. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Dec 11 16:31:53 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:31:53 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu>, <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu>, , <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: <4EE52149.3070205@louisiana.edu> Ah, but we don't deserve admiration, Sheila--we deserve citations (for speeding, parking, erratic driving, etc.). Really, it's a wonder any of us get out of this world alive. Jerry On 12/11/2011 3:13 PM, sheila black wrote: > Gabe's Rhode Island Notebook aside, I only got my driver's license > when I was forty--and it really was only by an act of charity (or > maybe recklessness) of the Las Cruces, New Mexico DMV; In short, if I > wrote when I drove, disasters of > great magnitude would ensue. I am sure of this, since I have been > known to hit curbs when only writing "poems in > my head." But I admire all your poet-composing-while-driving-poets > out there. > > Sheila > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:58:23 -0600 > From: halvard at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question > > Look where you're going: still good advice for drivers and walkers. > Do parents still teach this anymore? > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > /, > Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,//Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , > /Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > /, > /Mainly Black > , > /Obras P?blicas > ; > //The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; > //Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; > //Tango Bouquet > ; > //Theory of Harmony > ; > //Rapsodie espagnole > ; > //Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; > //The Sonnet Project > ; > //G(e)nome ; > //Winter Journey ; > ////Eclipse ; ////The > Dance of the Red Swan ;/ > /Transparencies & Projections > / > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini > > wrote: > > I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A > talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you > just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there > more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, > look where you are going. That's about it. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, > wrote: > > To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car > and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car > culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more > that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by > buying and driving on. No time for considering the > meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go > headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of > direction (as the ending so much as says). > Finnegan > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire > > wrote: > > An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because > it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly > to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his > oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and > his late work is very different, both thematically and > stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal > illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that > again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published > today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it > nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. > It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) > The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine > wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite > remains > > The Warning > > For love--I would > split open your head and put > a candle in > behind the eyes. > > Love is dead in us > if we forget > the virtues of an amulet > and quick surprise. > > > And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed > not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little > virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely > image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he > says about his own poems.) > > The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment > is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of > America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, > having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always > imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars > (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets > left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was > written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what > "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot > fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, > Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) > much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't > made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe > the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image > invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) > cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties > cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. > Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of > America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in > light of subsequent history than it did when it was > written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the > Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat > romanticism in "goddamn big car." > > Jerry > > > On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com > wrote: > > I've always loved the not so subtle critique of > America/American values that 'goddamn big car' > represents. > In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to > me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. > Finnegan > > --- > On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net > wrote: > > In an interview Creeley said that the poem has > usually been misread. The word "drive" in the > fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. > > > Robert Creeley, "I know a man." > > > I Know a Man > > As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > > -- > Jerry McGuire > Dept. of English > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70506 > jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > 337-482-5478 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttps://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM, wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread ?gets?answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says).? Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents.? In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 18:47:49 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabriel gudding) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:47:49 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu> <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu> <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4F04F.6090304@louisiana.edu> <8CE86476E476845-17FC-81983@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <8CE864A4C825A01-17FC-820F9@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> <4EE4FC0F.8070703@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Tony's right. 436 pages handwritten in car during 27 roundtrips btw Normal Illinois and Providence, 2002 - 2005, I-74, I-465, I-70, I-270, I-71, I-76, I-80, I-81, I-380, I-84, I-691, I-91, 9, I-95 and back. 1108 miles one way. 18 hrs. Dalkey Archive. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Anthony Robinson wrote: > Gabe's entire book Rhode Island Notebook was written in the car, while > driving. > > Tony > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jerry McGuire > wrote: >> >> Right. Like they say, "Poetry in motion." When I was younger I actually >> wrote while I was driving fairly often--some impulse would hit, some >> association kick in, some object snap up out of the landscape, and I'd lean >> over to write on the pad I kept on the passenger seat, one eye (if I was >> lucky) on the road. I'm sure there are more great car poems out there. >> Anyone got a live one? (I just recalled one of my own, which I'll append): >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> STUTZ >> >> >> The picture my sister sent pinballed through the internet >> like a cat ricocheting around a living-room >> after a parakeet that?s skipped its cage, and hit home and was clicked >> upon and blossomed in me like the blood of that parakeet >> on a white wool carpet when she?s clicked on by that cat. >> Ouch, I thought, how young my father was, there behind >> that weird butterflied windscreen of his ?26 Stutz >> back when none of this had happened. Whatever baredirt yard >> he?s in says scrapyard or brickyard all over. You know that all the dogs >> are mutts here, even his most virtuous and virtuosic >> Lady, than whom none was ever blacker in the field and stream. >> Somewhere around here (it?s spring) there must be a litter >> of buggy kittens. The litter of louse-ridden kids >> is still on the way, razzle in the old man?s eye. >> Here he?s just warming up, the Bearcat purrs and growls, >> the Depression is a pissant he hammers his horn at >> as he blows by. He told me once that he and his father >> worked a while in the same mill, boxboard or cider, >> and every night hi-balling home he?d watch the old man go white >> in the face and dig his fingers in the armrests of the Stutz >> like an inner tube going over Niagara. ?But he never said a word,? >> he said. It must have been fine, I thought, to have a car >> that terrified your father so he nearly wet his pants. I thought >> (though I didn?t see it at the time), Where?s the little bird >> I can chase around my cage till it gives in? >> Where?s my baby? Where?s my Bearcat? What?s the catch? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/11/2011 12:31 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> The car perspective, from the inside out... >> >> The Sacred >> >> >> After the teacher asked if anyone had >> ? ? ? ?a sacred place >> and the students fidgeted and shrunk >> >> in their chairs, the most serious of them all >> ? ? ? ?said it was his car, >> being in it alone, his tape deck playing >> >> things he'd chosen, and others knew the truth >> ? ? ? ?had been spoken >> and began speaking about their rooms, >> >> their hiding places, but the car kept coming >> ? ? ? ?up, the car in motion, >> music filling it, and sometimes one other person >> >> who understood the bright altar of the dashboard >> ? ? ? ?and how far away >> a car could take him from the need >> >> to speak, or to answer, the key >> ? ? ? ?in having a key >> and putting it in, and going. >> >> >> Stephen Dunn, Between Angels (Norton, 1989) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McGuire >> Dept. of English >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette >> Lafayette LA 70506 >> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu >> 337-482-5478 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ http://tiny.cc/universitypage From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 19:35:55 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:35:55 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE52149.3070205@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, , <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu>, , <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu>, , , , <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , , , , , <4EE52149.3070205@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Hah! Jerry! I couldn't agree more--that's why, well, in honor of the holidays, we should all toast one another--as often and with whatever we can manage... Sheila Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:31:53 -0600 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu To: new-poetry at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Ah, but we don't deserve admiration, Sheila--we deserve citations (for speeding, parking, erratic driving, etc.). Really, it's a wonder any of us get out of this world alive. Jerry On 12/11/2011 3:13 PM, sheila black wrote: Gabe's Rhode Island Notebook aside, I only got my driver's license when I was forty--and it really was only by an act of charity (or maybe recklessness) of the Las Cruces, New Mexico DMV; In short, if I wrote when I drove, disasters of great magnitude would ensue. I am sure of this, since I have been known to hit curbs when only writing "poems in my head." But I admire all your poet-composing-while-driving-poets out there. Sheila Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:58:23 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Look where you're going: still good advice for drivers and walkers. Do parents still teach this anymore? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. That's about it. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 19:35:55 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:35:55 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] trivia question In-Reply-To: <4EE52149.3070205@louisiana.edu> References: <23512289.1323567708074.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, , <4EE40E9A.2020708@louisiana.edu>, , <8CE86347D178FA9-17FC-7DE6A@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , <4EE4DF65.202@louisiana.edu>, , , , <8CE86434C2D85EA-17FC-80D18@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com>, , , , , , <4EE52149.3070205@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Hah! Jerry! I couldn't agree more--that's why, well, in honor of the holidays, we should all toast one another--as often and with whatever we can manage... Sheila Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:31:53 -0600 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu To: new-poetry at charlemagne.cddc.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Ah, but we don't deserve admiration, Sheila--we deserve citations (for speeding, parking, erratic driving, etc.). Really, it's a wonder any of us get out of this world alive. Jerry On 12/11/2011 3:13 PM, sheila black wrote: Gabe's Rhode Island Notebook aside, I only got my driver's license when I was forty--and it really was only by an act of charity (or maybe recklessness) of the Las Cruces, New Mexico DMV; In short, if I wrote when I drove, disasters of great magnitude would ensue. I am sure of this, since I have been known to hit curbs when only writing "poems in my head." But I admire all your poet-composing-while-driving-poets out there. Sheila Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:58:23 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] trivia question Look where you're going: still good advice for drivers and walkers. Do parents still teach this anymore? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: I did not get it that way. Jerry sort of explained it properly. A talks and drives, car talk, since you are in a car driving you just talk of cars, of nice cars, bigger ones, that take you there more safely, or existentially about darkness, and B answers back, look where you are going. That's about it. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, wrote: To elaborate on my point a bit, it's not only the actual car and its size that matters, tho by the postwar fifties the car culture had definitely taken hold in ol' USofA, but it's more that a philosophical/existential dread gets answered by buying and driving on. No time for considering the meaning/direction of of one's life, that's so old world... go headlong, reckless, even if perhaps lacking a sense of direction (as the ending so much as says). Finnegan On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: An interesting response on several counts. Maybe because it was one of the first Creeley poems that spoke directly to me, I've always felt it lay in the center of his oeuvre. (Of course, he wrote an awful lot after this, and his late work is very different, both thematically and stylistically.) Certainly it feels like a glowing coal illuminating _For Love_. (And I just looked through that again, and, wow! I'm thinking, if that were published today, we'd be arguing--is it great or is it nothing?--without any thought that it was anachronistic. It feels as fresh to me today as the first day I read it.) The poem _does_ feel like a special case of Creeley's fine wit, which he sometimes kept under a bucket. (My favorite remains The Warning For love--I would split open your head and put a candle in behind the eyes. Love is dead in us if we forget the virtues of an amulet and quick surprise. And it's worth noting that Creeley at least once claimed not to have seen the macabre dimensions of this little virtuoso horror--that he thought it was just a lovely image. You see why I can't take entirely seriously what he says about his own poems.) The second thing that surprises me in Finnegan's comment is that "goddamn big car" is a "not so subtle critique of America/American values." It's interesting (to me) that, having heard this poem in the early seventies, I always imagined some blurred combination of American muscle cars (GTOs, 409s, hemis, etc.) and gigantic finned rustbuckets left over from early-sixties ostentation. But the poem was written in the early fifties. When I try to think of what "goddamn big car" means in that context, I'm a lot fuzzier. The early fifties Buicks, Desotos, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, etc., weren't (by sixties standards) much bigger than Fords, Nashes, or Studebakers. VW hadn't made its incursions yet. There were no minis, except maybe the Hudson Hornet, bless its tiny soul. Maybe the image invokes a station wagon or some old (i.e., forties) cruising machine--compared to those, the early-fifties cars felt streamlined, and were advertised as such. Anyway, you see my problem with "not so subtle critique of America/American values." I'd say that it seems more so in light of subsequent history than it did when it was written--before the publication, for instance, of _On the Road_. To me, there's a substantial piece of Beat romanticism in "goddamn big car." Jerry On 12/11/2011 9:55 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: I've always loved the not so subtle critique of America/American values that 'goddamn big car' represents. In a certain respect this poem has always, it seems to me, been a little out of keeping with Creeley's oeuvre. Finnegan --- On 12/10/2011 7:41 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: In an interview Creeley said that the poem has usually been misread. The word "drive" in the fourth stanza is in the speaker's voice, not John's. Robert Creeley, "I know a man." I Know a Man As I sd to my friend, because I am always talking, -- John, I sd, which was not his name, the darkness sur- rounds us, what can we do against it, or else, shall we & why not, buy a goddamn big car, drive, he sd, for christ's sake, look out where yr going. -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Among the mesas of the high prairie driving west aware that if the bomb fell I'd have some time left, and the cloud ahead radiant, broken, in the various light, reds, purples, a tree of light, the mesas yellow and the sky a deep, deep blue, as deep as it is, as deep as space. The car soars forever. There is no foreground except the road. The American language. From seamascain at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 00:46:14 2011 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:46:14 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philip Glass & Charles Bernstein on the OWS Message-ID: _____________________________________ The words of Philip Glass on the OWS protests ... http://www.therestisnoise.com/2011/12/the-satyagraha-protest.html The words of Charles Bernstein on the OWS protests ... http://tiny.cc/374s7 _____________________________________ S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain From seamascain at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 01:30:31 2011 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:30:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yersinia P. Pestis Message-ID: _____________________________________ Saturday 17th December, 2011 6:00 p.m. Yersinia P. Pestis at Lady Windermere's Caffeinated Salon The Back Loft, L Cathedral Studios, St. Augustine Street, Dublin 2, Ireland As part of a night of "authentically gritty cabaret," spoken word performances by Kit Fryatt and Y.P. Pestis, who are not exactly two different people. Please share and make sure you check out the rest of this fabulous fortnight-long salon at ... http://windermerecoffee.blogspot.com/ Dance, music, and all-night-coffee. For copies of Kit Fryatt's chapbook about Minnie the Moucher, send an e-mail to ... Wurm im Apfel Check out Wurm im Apfel poetry events and Wurm Press publications at ... http://wurmimapfel.net _____________________________________ S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain From halvard at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 09:16:54 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:16:54 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: <11816320.1323667575705.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11816320.1323667575705.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: *Nightride* Moon came out from behind a hill. Didn't talk to me much like it used to. Moon was a waning gibbous, hung like a ripe peach over a small farmtown and then moved on. I was moving too. Down below, me and my car, we moved this way and that over dark country roads, winding around in the dark, except for moon. Moon played cat and mouse, first one place and then another, first ahead and then behind, then off to one side. Moon never stands still. Neither do I. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, wrote: > AMERICAN LANGUAGE > > > I wake up having dreamed both > a poem and > a painting that even > my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" > he says "I see a tree > in everything" the great > shape of a cloud rising > between two pieces of bare American earth. > A lot of paint. It's like > my poem, I say, > called "American Language." > Among the mesas of the high prairie > driving west aware > that if the bomb fell I'd have > some time left, and the cloud ahead > radiant, broken, > in the various light, reds, purples, > a tree of light, > the mesas yellow and the sky > a deep, deep blue, > as deep as it is, > as deep as space. The car > soars > forever. > There is no foreground > except the road. The > American language. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 09:18:00 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:18:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: References: <11816320.1323667575705.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: *Stunt* Nothing much harder than falling off a horse. By grace of whatever-- no broken neck. Ranging west, driving across salt flats after dark. High peaks--behind and to the north-- shrouded in darkness and tattered cloud. Headlights pop up on the horizon, steadily bear down upon you for half an hour, maybe more--whoosh by--red taillights jiggle in the mirror, half an hour more. Nothing fades. It stretches and breaks. The trick is to survive the snap-back. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > *Nightride* > Moon came out from behind > a hill. Didn't talk to > me much like it used to. > Moon was a waning gibbous, > hung like a ripe peach > over a small farmtown > and then moved on. > > I was moving too. Down > below, me and my car, we > moved this way and that > over dark country roads, > winding around in the dark, > except for moon. > > Moon played cat and mouse, > first one place and then > another, first ahead and > then behind, then off > to one side. Moon never > stands still. Neither do I. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, wrote: > >> AMERICAN LANGUAGE >> >> >> I wake up having dreamed both >> a poem and >> a painting that even >> my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" >> he says "I see a tree >> in everything" the great >> shape of a cloud rising >> between two pieces of bare American earth. >> A lot of paint. It's like >> my poem, I say, >> called "American Language." >> Among the mesas of the high prairie >> driving west aware >> that if the bomb fell I'd have >> some time left, and the cloud ahead >> radiant, broken, >> in the various light, reds, purples, >> a tree of light, >> the mesas yellow and the sky >> a deep, deep blue, >> as deep as it is, >> as deep as space. The car >> soars >> forever. >> There is no foreground >> except the road. The >> American language. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Almost appropriate). --- On Mon, 12/12/11, S?amas Cain wrote: From: S?amas Cain Subject: [New-Poetry] Philip Glass & Charles Bernstein on the OWS To: "New-Poetry E-list" Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 12:46 AM _____________________________________ The words of Philip Glass on the OWS protests ... http://www.therestisnoise.com/2011/12/the-satyagraha-protest.html The words of Charles Bernstein on the OWS protests ... http://tiny.cc/374s7 _____________________________________ S?amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Mon Dec 12 10:10:38 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:10:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: References: <11816320.1323667575705.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: One Night flying through January windows down in that green Buick Ripple Red back and forth and cold air, we loved the cold, and Phyllis on that bench seat so close beside me eyes closed and mouth open while we ate that two-lane one-handed past the graves of my mother's kin to the Bullet County farm where my great-grandmother's second cousin twice removed let me spend summers in what I knew were slave cabins I had the keys and we both knew and she said nothing as she lay back, put one leg up behind my head reached under her skirt to pull aside her yellow leotard and with her other hand pulled mine to touch her for the first time the high-beam headlights not enough to show me anything we skidded almost past the turn fishtailed through the open gate my right hand slick on the steering wheel clipped a bush and straightened out on the long drive turned the lights off not wanting to shine through my cousin's windows she'd be in bed but not too sleepy to want to meet "my little friend" and courteously keep us dressed-- but her lights were on. Hers, and outside, the red flashing light on the ambulance-- jesus--I stopped the car Phyllis struggled up we watched the paramedics load the covered body and switch off emergency lights--no hurry now-- They waved as they passed. The sheriff locked her door and before he could stop us I turned the car, Phyllis closed her window huddled in her own arms-- We went home. We had no reports to file and nothing else to do. On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:18, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Stunt > > Nothing much harder than > falling off a horse. > By grace of whatever-- > no broken neck. > > Ranging west, > driving across salt flats after dark. > High peaks--behind and to the north-- > shrouded in darkness and tattered cloud. > > Headlights pop up on the horizon, > steadily bear down upon you for half an hour, > maybe more--whoosh by--red taillights > jiggle in the mirror, half an hour more. > > Nothing fades. It stretches and breaks. > The trick is to survive the snap-back. > > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; > Transparencies & Projections > > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Nightride > > Moon came out from behind > a hill. Didn't talk to > me much like it used to. > Moon was a waning gibbous, > hung like a ripe peach > over a small farmtown > and then moved on. > > I was moving too. Down > below, me and my car, we > moved this way and that > over dark country roads, > winding around in the dark, > except for moon. > > Moon played cat and mouse, > first one place and then > another, first ahead and > then behind, then off > to one side. Moon never > stands still. Neither do I. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; > Transparencies & Projections > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, wrote: > AMERICAN LANGUAGE > > > I wake up having dreamed both > a poem and > a painting that even > my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" > he says "I see a tree > in everything" the great > shape of a cloud rising > between two pieces of bare American earth. > A lot of paint. It's like > my poem, I say, > called "American Language." > Among the mesas of the high prairie > driving west aware > that if the bomb fell I'd have > some time left, and the cloud ahead > radiant, broken, > in the various light, reds, purples, > a tree of light, > the mesas yellow and the sky > a deep, deep blue, > as deep as it is, > as deep as space. The car > soars > forever. > There is no foreground > except the road. The > American language. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 10:49:39 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:49:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323704979.26737.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Moon never? stands still. Neither do I. Perfect: one complaint. Where's the moonshine? --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] car and driver To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 9:16 AM NightrideMoon came out from behind? a hill. Didn't talk to? me much like it used to.? Moon was a waning gibbous,? hung like a ripe peach? over a small farmtown? and then moved on.? I was moving too. Down? below, me and my car, we? moved this way and that? over dark country roads,? winding around in the dark,? except for moon.? Moon played cat and mouse,? first one place and then? another, first ahead and? then behind, then off? to one side. Moon never? stands still. Neither do I. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, wrote: AMERICAN LANGUAGE I wake up having dreamed both a poem and a painting that even my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" he says "I see a tree in everything" ? the great shape of a cloud rising between two pieces of bare American earth. A lot of paint. It's like my poem, I say, called "American Language." Among the mesas of the high prairie driving west ? aware that if the bomb fell I'd have some time left, and the cloud ahead radiant, broken, in the various light, reds, purples, a tree of light, the mesas yellow and the sky a deep, deep blue, as deep as it is, as deep as space. The car soars forever. There is no foreground except the road. The American language. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 11:04:18 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:04:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: <1323704979.26737.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323704979.26737.YahooMailClassic@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought you had it. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > Moon never > stands still. Neither do I. > > > Perfect: one complaint. Where's the moonshine? > > --- On *Mon, 12/12/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] car and driver > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 9:16 AM > > > *Nightride* > Moon came out from behind > a hill. Didn't talk to > me much like it used to. > Moon was a waning gibbous, > hung like a ripe peach > over a small farmtown > and then moved on. > > I was moving too. Down > below, me and my car, we > moved this way and that > over dark country roads, > winding around in the dark, > except for moon. > > Moon played cat and mouse, > first one place and then > another, first ahead and > then behind, then off > to one side. Moon never > stands still. Neither do I. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, > > wrote: > > AMERICAN LANGUAGE > > > I wake up having dreamed both > a poem and > a painting that even > my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" > he says "I see a tree > in everything" the great > shape of a cloud rising > between two pieces of bare American earth. > A lot of paint. It's like > my poem, I say, > called "American Language." > Among the mesas of the high prairie > driving west aware > that if the bomb fell I'd have > some time left, and the cloud ahead > radiant, broken, > in the various light, reds, purples, > a tree of light, > the mesas yellow and the sky > a deep, deep blue, > as deep as it is, > as deep as space. The car > soars > forever. > There is no foreground > except the road. The > American language. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 11:14:34 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:14:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] car and driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323706474.57352.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I hid it. I want it all to myself. --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] car and driver To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:04 AM I thought you had it. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, stephen russell wrote: Moon never? stands still. Neither do I. Perfect: one complaint. Where's the moonshine? --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] car and driver To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 9:16 AM NightrideMoon came out from behind? a hill. Didn't talk to? me much like it used to.? Moon was a waning gibbous,? hung like a ripe peach? over a small farmtown? and then moved on.? I was moving too. Down? below, me and my car, we? moved this way and that? over dark country roads,? winding around in the dark,? except for moon.? Moon played cat and mouse,? first one place and then? another, first ahead and? then behind, then off? to one side. Moon never? stands still. Neither do I. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, wrote: AMERICAN LANGUAGE I wake up having dreamed both a poem and a painting that even my severest critic enjoys. "Given time" he says "I see a tree in everything" ? the great shape of a cloud rising between two pieces of bare American earth. A lot of paint. It's like my poem, I say, called "American Language." Among the mesas of the high prairie driving west ? aware that if the bomb fell I'd have some time left, and the cloud ahead radiant, broken, in the various light, reds, purples, a tree of light, the mesas yellow and the sky a deep, deep blue, as deep as it is, as deep as space. The car soars forever. There is no foreground except the road. 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Waffles ? ? I?m listening to Beethoven?s Erocia on my CD. I?m finishing a poem on the rehab computer. Even here, I seem to do whatever I feel like doing except for the thing that brought me here. ? I think of her all the time, although the counselors caution me to focus on myself. When I focus on myself I think of myself with her or I want to get high, so instead of focusing on myself I simply shut ? down. Then I think about getting out of here and asking her to a movie. Then I think about my favorite restaurant, what she?d order, and whether or not she?d be satisfied with her dish. ? Then I think about planting a wet, sloppy kiss on her and later carrying her into my apartment and into my bedroom then turning off the light. Then I think about getting up while she?s asleep ? and serving her breakfast in bed. Then I think about scrambled eggs and the color of her hair. Then I think about strawberry jam, toast and waffles, maple syrup and butter pecan ? with a scoop of whip cream. Then I think about my favorite Columbian Roast coffee, the rich aroma of those percolating grounds, the feel of warm china in my hands. Then I think about the first ? perfect long drag from my cigarette and how delicious it feels to slowly inhale while sipping from my Columbian roast. Then I remember she doesn?t smoke or drink and has never done drugs and I think ? about how wonderful and strange life sometimes seems when one simply engages in the usual day-to-day pleasures, how all one really has to do is be attentive to the weather and feel of things, ? to be awake and responsive and to say yes, it?s a gift, all of it, life, as Albert Einstein noted, should be looked at in one of two ways: "One as though nothing is a miracle. ? The other as though everything is a miracle." So I suppose this poem is about gratitude, or the way it feels to be typing a poem while in rehab on borrowed time ? since most of my friends are either dead or in jail and I?ve lived harder, longer on less food and creature comforts than most of them. Yes, I am writing a poem about gratitude ? while in rehab, and come to think of it, I?m late for group and will probably be written up for sitting here at the computer instead of shaping up and not getting with the program. ? I wonder what she?s doing right now? How can I focus on myself when all I want is to be myself with her and to do what couples do once they?ve finished breakfast? enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 13:24:37 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:24:37 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Johannes Brahms, Sym. 2 (VPO/Giulini) Serving the tri-state area. 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"Flirting at the Bon Marche" c. 1910-1912 --- On Tue, 12/13/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , "Poetryetc" Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:24 PM :: Listening 2: Johannes Brahms, Sym. 2 (VPO/Giulini) ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttps://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > found this on one of your blogs ... enjoyed -- > > *Paragraphs from Stein, 14* > * > * > Some know very well that their way of living is a sad one. Some know that > their way of living is a dreary thing. Some know very well that their way > of being living is a tedious one. Some know very well that they are living > in a very dull way of living. Some do not know that a way of living is a > tedious one. Some do not know that a way of living is a sad one. Some do > not know that a way of living is a dreary way of living. Some do not know > that one way of living is a dull one. > > fr. "Flirting at the Bon Marche" > c. 1910-1912 > > > --- On *Tue, 12/13/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>, "Poetryetc" > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > :: Listening 2: Johannes Brahms, Sym. 2 (VPO/Giulini) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen > *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) > ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) > , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black > , *Obras P?blicas > ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet > ; **Theory of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of the Red Swan > ;* > *Transparencies & Projections > * > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wrote: > > http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/cultural-capital/2011/12/poem-poetry-disobedience-land > > Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone > Posted by John Kinsella - 13 December 2011 14:21 > > A poem is an active, not a contemplative, entity - it should channel > disobedience > > I have been a vegan and pacifist for over 25 years, an anarchist for 30 > years and a poet since I was a small child. Over a lifetime of writing, > these four factors have interwoven into an "activist poetics" in which I > practice "linguistic disobedience" in the hope of bringing about positive > social, ethical and political change. "Linguistic disobedience" is pushing > language to work both in unexpected ways and outside the expected poetic > modes of the officially sanctioned. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wrote: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/cultural-capital/2011/12/poem-poetry-disobedience-land Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone Posted by John Kinsella - 13 December 2011 14:21 A poem is an active, not a contemplative, entity - it should channel disobedience? I have been a vegan and pacifist for over 25 years, an anarchist for 30 years and a poet since I was a small child. Over a lifetime of writing, these four factors have interwoven into an "activist poetics" in which I practice "linguistic disobedience" in the hope of bringing about positive social, ethical and political change. "Linguistic disobedience" is pushing language to work both in unexpected ways and outside the expected poetic modes of the officially sanctioned. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's poetry that passes through newspapers, schools, bookshops and even the net, without causing discomfort in the reader and publisher, student or teacher; without prompting questions about the problems of the environment in which we read, and the poem was created. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 1:49 PM #yiv2028024305 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Oy vey. I hope in the midst of all that teaching he learns something he didn't know once in a while. I was particularly struck by "I have lived for many years in the US and UK, as well as in rural Western Australia, and have created a comparative poetics that, while concentrating on the local, tries to bring into play experience (and witness) in other geographies." Nice of him to create that. Kinsella's heart is usually in the right place, tho he does get a bit sanctimonious. Did I ever mention the rabbinic injunction "Don't use the torah as your axe?" Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Dec 14, 2011 1:11 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/cultural-capital/2011/12/poem-poetry-disobedience-land Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone Posted by John Kinsella - 13 December 2011 14:21 A poem is an active, not a contemplative, entity - it should channel disobedience? I have been a vegan and pacifist for over 25 years, an anarchist for 30 years and a poet since I was a small child. Over a lifetime of writing, these four factors have interwoven into an "activist poetics" in which I practice "linguistic disobedience" in the hope of bringing about positive social, ethical and political change. 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URL: From gabrielgudding at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 14:19:44 2011 From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com (gabriel gudding) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:19:44 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323889548.29159.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1176075.1323888592192.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1323889548.29159.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially sanctioned" (and sanctioning). Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural Produciton, ?page 80. -- http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ http://tiny.cc/universitypage From junction at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 14:39:07 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:39:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone Message-ID: <25482143.1323891548605.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 14:42:10 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:42:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <25482143.1323891548605.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1323891730.52325.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Wed Dec 14 14:58:03 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:58:03 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323891730.52325.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <25482143.1323891548605.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <1323891730.52325.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, I hate to chime in again--well, I sort of hate to--sort of LOVE to--but I am so sympathetic with what Bobbi says about "people are creepy." What a great way to put it! Somehow just right--not too grandiose, not too noble or too bitter-sounding either. And its not (I don't think) that people are always creepy, but more that political agendas somehow tend to bring out the creepiness MORE perhaps because you get to hide the creepiness behind some glittery idea or other--which is NOT to say there shouldn't be political agendas--we can't live without working continually through questions of power--but they should not be allowed to trump or overcome one's sense of basically being this creepy (little) person--with, of course, (the humanist in me) the beautiful/difficult dream, which is poetry. Kind of like this old chestnut by James Tate, which I kind of love, especially now, around the ridiculous holiday season (indeed I am writing this on a break from MY OFFICE CHRISTMAS PARTY--what could be more poetic?) Dream On by James Tate Some people go their whole lives without ever writing a single poem. Extraordinary people who don't hesitate to cut somebody's heart or skull open. They go to baseball games with the greatest of ease. and play a few rounds of golf as if it were nothing. These same people stroll into a church as if that were a natural part of life. Investing money is second nature to them. They contribute to political campaigns that have absolutely no poetry in them and promise none for the future. They sit around the dinner table at night and pretend as though nothing is missing. Their children get caught shoplifting at the mall and no one admits that it is poetry they are missing. The family dog howls all night, lonely and starving for more poetry in his life. Why is it so difficult for them to see that, without poetry, their lives are effluvial. Sure, they have their banquets, their celebrations, croquet, fox hunts, their sea shores and sunsets, their cocktails on the balcony, dog races, and all that kissing and hugging, and don't forget the good deeds, the charity work, nursing the baby squirrels all through the night, filling the birdfeeders all winter, helping the stranger change her tire. Still, there's that disagreeable exhalation from decaying matter, subtle but everpresent. They walk around erect like champions. They are smooth-spoken and witty. When alone, rare occasion, they stare into the mirror for hours, bewildered. There was something they meant to say, but didn't: "And if we put the statue of the rhinoceros next to the tweezers, and walk around the room three times, learn to yodel, shave our heads, call our ancestors back from the dead--" poetrywise it's still a bust, bankrupt. You haven't scribbled a syllable of it. You're a nowhere man misfiring the very essence of your life, flustering nothing from nothing and back again. The hereafter may not last all that long. Radiant childhood sweetheart, secret code of everlasting joy and sorrow, fanciful pen strokes beneath the eyelids: all day, all night meditation, knot of hope, kernel of desire, pure ordinariness of life seeking, through poetry, a benediction or a bed to lie down on, to connect, reveal, explore, to imbue meaning on the day's extravagant labor. And yet it's cruel to expect too much. It's a rare species of bird that refuses to be categorized. Its song is barely audible. It is like a dragonfly in a dream-- here, then there, then here again, low-flying amber-wing darting upward then out of sight. And the dream has a pain in its heart the wonders of which are manifold, or so the story is told. Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:42:10 -0800 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? 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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:04 PM, wrote: > Thanks, Sheila. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sheila black ** > Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:58 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the > comfort zone > > ** ** ** ** > Oh, I hate to chime in again--well, I sort of hate to--sort of LOVE > to--but I am so sympathetic with what Bobbi says about "people are > creepy." What a great way to put it! Somehow just right--not too > grandiose, not too noble or too bitter-sounding either. And its not (I > don't think) that people are *always *creepy, but more that political > agendas somehow tend to bring out the creepiness MORE perhaps because you > get to hide the creepiness behind some glittery idea or other--which is NOT > to say there shouldn't be political agendas--we can't live without working > continually through questions of power--but they should not be allowed to > trump or overcome one's sense of basically being this creepy (little) > person--with, of course, (the humanist in me) the beautiful/difficult > dream, which is poetry. Kind of like this old chestnut by James Tate, > which I kind of love, especially now, around the ridiculous holiday season > (indeed I am writing this on a break from MY OFFICE CHRISTMAS PARTY--what > could be more poetic?) > > Dream On by James Tate > Some people go their whole lives > without ever writing a single poem. > Extraordinary people who don't hesitate > to cut somebody's heart or skull open. > They go to baseball games with the greatest of ease. > and play a few rounds of golf as if it were nothing. > These same people stroll into a church > as if that were a natural part of life. > Investing money is second nature to them. > They contribute to political campaigns > that have absolutely no poetry in them > and promise none for the future. > They sit around the dinner table at night > and pretend as though nothing is missing. > Their children get caught shoplifting at the mall > and no one admits that it is poetry they are missing. > The family dog howls all night, > lonely and starving for more poetry in his life. > Why is it so difficult for them to see > that, without poetry, their lives are effluvial. > Sure, they have their banquets, their celebrations, > croquet, fox hunts, their sea shores and sunsets, > their cocktails on the balcony, dog races, > and all that kissing and hugging, and don't > forget the good deeds, the charity work, > nursing the baby squirrels all through the night, > filling the birdfeeders all winter, > helping the stranger change her tire. > Still, there's that disagreeable exhalation > from decaying matter, subtle but everpresent. > They walk around erect like champions. > They are smooth-spoken and witty. > When alone, rare occasion, they stare > into the mirror for hours, bewildered. > There was something they meant to say, but didn't: > "And if we put the statue of the rhinoceros > next to the tweezers, and walk around the room three times, > learn to yodel, shave our heads, call > our ancestors back from the dead--" > poetrywise it's still a bust, bankrupt. > You haven't scribbled a syllable of it. > You're a nowhere man misfiring > the very essence of your life, flustering > nothing from nothing and back again. > The hereafter may not last all that long. > Radiant childhood sweetheart, > secret code of everlasting joy and sorrow, > fanciful pen strokes beneath the eyelids: > all day, all night meditation, knot of hope, > kernel of desire, pure ordinariness of life > seeking, through poetry, a benediction > or a bed to lie down on, to connect, reveal, > explore, to imbue meaning on the day's extravagant labor. > And yet it's cruel to expect too much. > It's a rare species of bird > that refuses to be categorized. > Its song is barely audible. > It is like a dragonfly in a dream-- > here, then there, then here again, > low-flying amber-wing darting upward > then out of sight. > And the dream has a pain in its heart > the wonders of which are manifold, > or so the story is told. > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:42:10 -0800 > From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the > comfort zone > > not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- > > From: > "Bobbi Lurie" > Add sender to Contacts > To: > "stephen russell" > > sure. i have edited it: > > "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i > definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are > not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of > safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political > in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, > in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the > other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of > idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far > more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work > because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they > decide not to be))" > > > > --- On *Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net *wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the > comfort zone > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM > > In the land where no distinctions exist. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: gabriel gudding > > > >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM > >To: NewPoetry List > > > >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the > comfort zone > > > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. > >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play > >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially > >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. > >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power > >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially > >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > > > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > > > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the > >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these > >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural > >Produciton, page 80. > > > >-- > >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ > >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ > >http://tiny.cc/universitypage > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ** **** > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 11:20:16 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323891730.52325.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323966016.96570.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 11:32:32 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:32:32 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323966016.96570.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1323891730.52325.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1323966016.96570.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Way out in left field, but also so oddly instructive. Ham, caviar, and chocolate. Well, well.... This, too, is way out in left field, but did anyone read Herta Muller's (I have not really gotten through too many of her novels but I loved this speech) acceptance speech for the Nobel prize (now that would a fun acceptance to write, no?); it was very trenchant about words and power and meaning in a way I've not forgotten in a hurry--I didn't think of it when we were all having our poetry, meat, empathy marathon, but I should have since it spoke to so much of what we were discussing; I would paste it in below, but it is a little long so attaching it with apologies for length. A beautiful thing it is though I think.... Sheila Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:20:16 -0800 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In its place, I'd recommend a poem by Robert Hass, "Rusia en 1931," about Osip Mandelstam and Cesar Vallejo. I don't have access to my own copy now, and can't find it on the web, but it captures in a sad, lovely way my own ambivalence. It's also, within the terms of its own ambivalence, a poem enunciating a political position--which seems to me both subtle and reasonable. Best, Jerry On 12/15/2011 10:32 AM, sheila black wrote: > > Way out in left field, but also so oddly instructive. Ham, caviar, > and chocolate. Well, well.... > > This, too, is way out in left field, but did anyone read Herta > Muller's (I have not really gotten through too many of her novels but > I loved this speech) acceptance speech for the Nobel prize (now > that would a fun acceptance to write, no?); it was very trenchant > about words and power and meaning in a way I've not forgotten in a > hurry--I didn't think of it when we were all having > our poetry, meat, empathy marathon, but I should have since it spoke > to so much of what we were discussing; I would paste it in below, but > it is a little long so attaching it with apologies for length. > > A beautiful thing it is though I think.... > > Sheila > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:20:16 -0800 > From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the > comfort zone > > ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about > Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- > > Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified > vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a > "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally > ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held > up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. > "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the > F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also > 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as > caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that > Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish > of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in > addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. > Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that > Gandhi was. > > There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. > What a shock. > > --- On *Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell > //* wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside > the comfort zone > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM > > not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- > > From: > "Bobbi Lurie" > Add sender to Contacts > > > To: > "stephen russell" > > sure. i have edited it: > > "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i > definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political > agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry > is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, > strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my > work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep > down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, > too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. > people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far > more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of > them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, > inherently (unless they decide not to be))" > > > > --- On *Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net > //* wrote: > > > From: junction at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry > outside the comfort zone > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM > > In the land where no distinctions exist. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: gabriel gudding > >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM > >To: NewPoetry List > >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry > outside the comfort zone > > > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen > suggests. > >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who > most play > >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially > >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and > avant-garde. > >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on > the power > >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is > "officially > >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > > > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > > > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly > reveals the > >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate > of these > >apparently radical attempts at subversion." The Field of Cultural > >Produciton, page 80. > > > >-- > >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ > >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ > >http://tiny.cc/universitypage > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing > list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70506 jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ghandi was fond of young girls ... exactly how young? --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:12 PM #yiv858731300 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Are you suggesting that if he'd been a strict vegan the worst we'd have to accuse him of would be a Ghandian fondness for young girls? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 11:20 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 14:55:54 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:55:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone Message-ID: <5743886.1323978955330.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 15:03:14 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:03:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <5743886.1323978955330.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1323979394.71867.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ... where does it end!!! ... Hitler ... Ghandi ... Mother Theresa pimping crack on the streets of Calcutta ... Lordy ... guess it's time to listen to the Allman Bros ... there/them ,,,the one and very last innocent pleasure -- --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:55 PM #yiv1098141170 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Pretty young. It's not entirely clear what happened in the privacy etc, but he insisted as an old man on sharing his bed with a naked teenager, to test his ascetic commitment. On at least one occasion he reports his mortification that he got an erection. There have been whispers of much more for decades. The girls were residents of his ashram, and as such under his care. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 2:42 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ...? Ghandi was fond of young girls ... exactly how young? --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:12 PM #yiv1098141170 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Are you suggesting that if he'd been a strict vegan the worst we'd have to accuse him of would be a Ghandian fondness for young girls? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 11:20 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 15:35:44 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:35:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323980231.1107.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323981344.54972.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/15/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "stephen russell" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 3:17 PM & if Hitler were a strict vegan, vegans, along with non-vegans, would have to deal with the facts ... far worse than Gandhi. Still, to paraphrase Aquinas (?), bad application of an argument does not invalidate the argument. Thomas Aquinas was far more eloquent. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 3:03 PM ... where does it end!!! ... Hitler ... Ghandi ... Mother Theresa pimping crack on the streets of Calcutta ... Lordy ... guess it's time to listen to the Allman Bros ... there/them ,,,the one and very last innocent pleasure -- --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:55 PM #yiv1233425643 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Pretty young. It's not entirely clear what happened in the privacy etc, but he insisted as an old man on sharing his bed with a naked teenager, to test his ascetic commitment. On at least one occasion he reports his mortification that he got an erection. There have been whispers of much more for decades. The girls were residents of his ashram, and as such under his care. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 2:42 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ...? Ghandi was fond of young girls ... exactly how young? --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:12 PM #yiv1233425643 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Are you suggesting that if he'd been a strict vegan the worst we'd have to accuse him of would be a Ghandian fondness for young girls? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 11:20 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 15:36:26 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <1323981123.10272.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323981386.41108.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/15/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "stephen russell" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 3:32 PM ... for the record, legend has it that Aquinas had, perhaps, the most boring death bed confession ... ever ... simply nothing to confess. The man did nothing other than write philosophy. Aquinas should have said: I spent all of my time writing philosophy. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "stephen russell" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 3:17 PM & if Hitler were a strict vegan, vegans, along with non-vegans, would have to deal with the facts ... far worse than Gandhi. Still, to paraphrase Aquinas (?), bad application of an argument does not invalidate the argument. Thomas Aquinas was far more eloquent. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 3:03 PM ... where does it end!!! ... Hitler ... Ghandi ... Mother Theresa pimping crack on the streets of Calcutta ... Lordy ... guess it's time to listen to the Allman Bros ... there/them ,,,the one and very last innocent pleasure -- --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:55 PM #yiv1902336502 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Pretty young. It's not entirely clear what happened in the privacy etc, but he insisted as an old man on sharing his bed with a naked teenager, to test his ascetic commitment. On at least one occasion he reports his mortification that he got an erection. There have been whispers of much more for decades. The girls were residents of his ashram, and as such under his care. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 2:42 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ...? Ghandi was fond of young girls ... exactly how young? --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:12 PM #yiv1902336502 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Are you suggesting that if he'd been a strict vegan the worst we'd have to accuse him of would be a Ghandian fondness for young girls? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 11:20 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? The Field of Cultural >Produciton, ?page 80. > >-- >http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ >http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ >http://tiny.cc/universitypage >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 16:34:36 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:34:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] PEN American - The Holiday Special! Message-ID: <1323984876.35499.YahooMailNeo@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A holiday-sized roundup of poetry-related news (and stocking stuffers) compiled by guest editors Bo?i?evi? and Amy King. @ PEN American -?http://www.pen.org/blog/?p=6984 Enjoy! Amy & Ana --? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery (?http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 17:07:30 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:07:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone Message-ID: <4422650.1323986850865.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Dec 15 17:42:38 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:42:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Sucks! Message-ID: <8CE8991FB0920C0-18E4-8ABD5@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2011/12/15/poetry-sucks-feat-nickole-brown-daniel-pujol-jacklyn-marceau-and-mystery-twins-tonight-at-dinos Hey, poetry! The tough kind. The Bukowski kind, not the wimpy kind. Actually, I'm kidding. I think any sort of unique, moving poetry is tough ? it takes a certain kind of toughness to expose yourself in that way. And I'm glad we have the sort of local rock scene that can embrace that sort of toughness. Anyhow, for the second installment of Poetry Sucks! A Night of Poetry, Music and All Sorts of Bad Language, poets Nickole Brown, Daniel Pujol... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Dec 15 17:54:19 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:54:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Sucks! Message-ID: <1d66.6700fc4b.3c1bd49a@cs.com> In a message dated 12/15/2011 4:42:56 PM Central Standard Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2011/12/15/poetry-sucks-feat-nickole-brown-daniel-pujol-jacklyn-marceau-and-mystery-twins-tonig > ht-at-dinos > > > Mental toughness? I doubt it. It's always the same old crowd, isn't it? Bird-flips and face-farts. Cool! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 19:43:58 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:43:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone In-Reply-To: <4422650.1323986850865.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1323996238.46393.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> No way. Impossible ... we're talking THE ALMON bros, bro --- --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 5:07 PM #yiv1466643796 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}So I guess I shouldn't tell you about the Alman Bros? Nah. It's Christmas. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 3:03 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... where does it end!!! ... Hitler ... Ghandi ... Mother Theresa pimping crack on the streets of Calcutta ... Lordy ... guess it's time to listen to the Allman Bros ... there/them ,,,the one and very last innocent pleasure -- --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:55 PM #yiv1466643796 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Pretty young. It's not entirely clear what happened in the privacy etc, but he insisted as an old man on sharing his bed with a naked teenager, to test his ascetic commitment. On at least one occasion he reports his mortification that he got an erection. There have been whispers of much more for decades. The girls were residents of his ashram, and as such under his care. -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 2:42 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ...? Ghandi was fond of young girls ... exactly how young? --- On Thu, 12/15/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 2:12 PM #yiv1466643796 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}Are you suggesting that if he'd been a strict vegan the worst we'd have to accuse him of would be a Ghandian fondness for young girls? -----Original Message----- From: stephen russell Sent: Dec 15, 2011 11:20 AM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone ... way out in left field ... & to address Bobbi's remark about Hitler's alleged vegetarianism -- Biographical material about Hitler's alleged or qualified vegetarianism are contradictory. He was sometimes described as a "vegetarian," but his fondness for sausages, caviar, and occasionally ham, was well known. Proctor writes that while Hitler was often held up as "the model of Nazi lifestyle," witnesses also noted backsliding. "Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in The New York Times pointed out that the F?hrer was a vegetarian who 'does not drink or smoke' but who also 'occasionally relishes a slice of ham' along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates." (Ibid.) Proctor is content to state that Hitler was a vegetarian who "occasionally would allow himself a dish of meat," (p. 135) and quotes The New York Times as stating that in addition to ham and caviar Hitler also occasionally ate squab. Whatever kind of vegetarian Hitler was, he was not the kind that Gandhi was. There we have ... the man was no Gandhi. What a shock. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:42 PM not everyone has jumped on the bandwagon -- From: "Bobbi Lurie" Add sender to Contacts To: "stephen russell" sure. i have edited it: "hitler was a vegan and himmler was an animal rights activist. i definitely believe in "linguistic disobedience" but political agendas are not things which translate well with me. i feel poetry is a place of safety, more of the deeply personal which, strangely, becomes the political in the sense of unity. i know my work is hard core but i seek unity more, in the sense that deep down there are connections between us. i am, on the other hand, too cynical to have idealism any longer. i am afraid of idealism. people are creepy. we all are. i think writing about that has far more significance than hiding behind a political agenda (none of them work because people are creepy, seek power, are greedy, inherently (unless they decide not to be))" --- On Wed, 12/14/11, junction at earthlink.net wrote: From: junction at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort zone To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 2:39 PM In the land where no distinctions exist. -----Original Message----- >From: gabriel gudding >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] John Kinsella: Keeping poetry outside the comfort??? zone > >BTW, "officially sanctioned" verse isn't just what Stephen suggests. >In the field of poetry, the most sanctioned are those who most play >the outlaw (cf Alan Golding, Bourdieu, Lahire). So, "officially >sanction" cannot *but* include that labeled radical and avant-garde. >In fact, it's fair to say that any group that has a grip on the power >to consecrate writers, movements, and aesthetic modes is "officially >sanctioned" (and sanctioning). > >Most post-Black-Mountain is official verse now. > >As Bourdieu says, "Paradoxically, nothing more clearly reveals the >logic of the functioning of the artistic field than the fate of these >apparently radical attempts at subversion.? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, wrote: > Dear NewPoetry List people, > Someone on Digest mentioned the amount of garbage being carried along with > Reply posts to the list. When you hit Reply, please try to remember to take > a second to scan down and cut out the unimportant material in your > email/post. > Thanks for your help. > Jim Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 12:58:11 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:58:11 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts In-Reply-To: References: <8CE8A2E86C42D53-794-980D5@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- He says HI! 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: > > I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe > Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico > mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in > Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- > > He says HI! > > Sheila > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Is that the person on digest who posts weeks and weeks of messages >> when he or she decides to say something? >> > > > I think that's "massages." > > -- Jim > > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. 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(Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? Charles Reznikoff: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 1984) edited by Milton Hindus -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:30 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts I don't really associate Joe with football, actually. But let me tell you, he is the backyard poet of our times--! I told him he should join the listserv, but he said he is sure he is too argumentative.... I'll tell him hi back, though! Sheila Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico. Say hi back to him. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. 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You can play PennSound Radio through iTunes on your computer, or by installing the free TuneIn app on your iPhone, BlackBerry, or Android device. Listen at work! At home! At the gym! While rebuilding a transmission! And while you're at it, follow us on Twitter (@PennSoundRadio) to keep up with all of our new programs and special features. https://jacket2.org/commentary/now-pennsound-radio - Al Filreis Al Filreis http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:36:12 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:36:12 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts In-Reply-To: <8CE8A4909283137-F54-58A35@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE8A2E86C42D53-794-980D5@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>, , , , , , , , <8CE8A4909283137-F54-58A35@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's it exactly. Joe (Somoza) writes everyday in his backyard--which is just a normal las Cruces small down desert not such an attractive after backyard but it becomes in Joe's poems pretty scrupulously observed and pretty darn large-- I admire him for that--one of many poets who should be better known-- Sheila To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Speaking of 'backyard poets'... August 6, Saturday afternoon. A thunder storm in Brooklyn after days of heat and humidity. I lie on my bed enjoying it, noticing the rain running down the bark of the tree outside my window. Charles [Reznikoff] would have enjoyed that. Backyard poetry, he wrote a lot of it. Backyard but not sentimental: the trees, the bark, the oblong light in the darkness scrupulously observed. That is what the Objectivists had in common. (Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? Charles Reznikoff: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 1984) edited by Milton Hindus -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:30 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts I don't really associate Joe with football, actually. But let me tell you, he is the backyard poet of our times--! I told him he should join the listserv, but he said he is sure he is too argumentative.... I'll tell him hi back, though! Sheila Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico. Say hi back to him. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. 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URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:50:07 2011 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:50:07 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts In-Reply-To: <27020695.1324078810636.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27020695.1324078810636.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm so glad you asked. Here's two I could pull from on-line. If I were at home, I could type some from group, but Joe in my book is aces. We call him the "Syntax King" behind his back in our group, because--he is originally from Spain but immigrated here as a child--his poems always sound so colloquial--jazzy, chatty, but they're not; they're tight. Blanco and I ?When I feel like being depressed I?ll call you. Send your rejections. Thanks.? Blanco and I sit in umbrella shade of the old locust. He?s an eleven-year old tom cat without ears. He won?t listen. He grips life?s slipping away tightly. A few claws and teeth left, he eats tiny amounts of soft food ten times a day. Squirts each flower in the backyard one drop apiece. Walks stiffly like old men. That?s why old Chinese turn contemplative: no eyes left, they focus in, like inside one sweet alyssum. I should?ve been born old! Then I wouldn?t have to stomach mid-life. Ascetic and independent, these old men disconnect from every interruptions. That?s not rude. It?s, with the end in sight, a pure hunger. To Frank O?Hara?s Lunch Poems Reading you I?m in an empty lot of tumbleweeds. Small gleaming objects everywhere. Or the overgrown edge of that yard behind Ranchway #2. Like someone?s hair Being truly stubborn the whole day. But let?s not investigate, o.k? Because, anyway, what?s in a brain? The car rolls easily down the alley splashed with sun and variegated garbage. Here, no one owns any thing or body. God must?ve been an Abstract Expressionist he made the world so free. Like you do. Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:40:10 -0500 From: junction at earthlink.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Sheila: Send us one of his poems? -----Original Message----- From: sheila black Sent: Dec 16, 2011 6:36 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts That's it exactly. Joe (Somoza) writes everyday in his backyard--which is just a normal las Cruces small down desert not such an attractive after backyard but it becomes in Joe's poems pretty scrupulously observed and pretty darn large-- I admire him for that--one of many poets who should be better known-- Sheila To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Speaking of 'backyard poets'... August 6, Saturday afternoon. A thunder storm in Brooklyn after days of heat and humidity. I lie on my bed enjoying it, noticing the rain running down the bark of the tree outside my window. Charles [Reznikoff] would have enjoyed that. Backyard poetry, he wrote a lot of it. Backyard but not sentimental: the trees, the bark, the oblong light in the darkness scrupulously observed. That is what the Objectivists had in common. (Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? Charles Reznikoff: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 1984) edited by Milton Hindus -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:30 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts I don't really associate Joe with football, actually. But let me tell you, he is the backyard poet of our times--! I told him he should join the listserv, but he said he is sure he is too argumentative.... I'll tell him hi back, though! Sheila Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico. Say hi back to him. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- He says HI! 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He reads the poem (?God?s Funeral?) well and introduces it feelingly. ?Bill Morgan ?From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:45 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn82f3X7qQ ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:54 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 12/15/2011 4:42:56 PM Central Standard Time, > jforjames at aol.com writes: > > > http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2011/12/15/poetry-sucks-feat-nickole-brown-daniel-pujol-jacklyn-marceau-and-mystery-twins-tonight-at-dinos > > > > Mental toughness? I doubt it. It's always the same old crowd, isn't it? > Bird-flips and face-farts. Cool! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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URL: From semanticsblack at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 09:19:01 2011 From: semanticsblack at yahoo.com (Sheila Black) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:19:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts In-Reply-To: References: <27020695.1324078810636.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thank you "other" sheila black on our poetics listserv for these two oems by Joe---excellent and witty! Also, been reading your ongoing discussions with Gabriel Gudding, et al and though we have different perspectives, love the you represent! Sheila e. Black Sheila e. Black. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:50 PM, sheila black wrote: > I'm so glad you asked. > > Here's two I could pull from on-line. If I were at home, I could type some from group, but Joe in my book is aces. We call him the "Syntax King" behind his back in our group, because--he is originally from Spain but immigrated here as a child--his poems always sound so colloquial--jazzy, chatty, but they're not; they're tight. > > Blanco and I > > ?When I feel like being depressed > I?ll call you. > Send your rejections. > Thanks.? Blanco and I > sit in umbrella shade > of the old locust. He?s > an eleven-year old tom cat > without ears. He won?t > listen. He grips > life?s slipping away > tightly. A few claws > and teeth left, he eats > tiny amounts of soft food > ten times a day. Squirts > each flower in the backyard > one drop apiece. Walks stiffly > like old men. That?s why > old Chinese turn contemplative: > no eyes left, they focus > in, like inside one > sweet alyssum. > I should?ve been born old! > Then I wouldn?t have to > stomach mid-life. > Ascetic and independent, > these old men > disconnect from every > interruptions. That?s not rude. > It?s, with the end > in sight, a pure > hunger. > > To Frank O?Hara?s Lunch Poems > > Reading you > I?m in an empty > lot of tumbleweeds. Small > gleaming objects everywhere. > Or the overgrown edge of that > yard behind Ranchway #2. > Like someone?s hair > Being truly stubborn the whole day. > But let?s not investigate, > o.k? Because, anyway, > what?s in a brain? > The car rolls > easily down the alley > splashed with sun and > variegated garbage. > Here, no one owns any > thing or body. God > must?ve been an Abstract > Expressionist he made > the world so free. > Like you do. > > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:40:10 -0500 > From: junction at earthlink.net > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts > > Sheila: Send us one of his poems? > -----Original Message----- > From: sheila black > Sent: Dec 16, 2011 6:36 PM > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts > > That's it exactly. Joe (Somoza) writes everyday in his backyard--which is just a normal las Cruces small down desert not such an attractive after backyard but it becomes > in Joe's poems pretty scrupulously observed and pretty darn large-- > > I admire him for that--one of many poets who should be better known-- > Sheila > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > From: jforjames at aol.com > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:32:59 -0500 > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts > > Speaking of 'backyard poets'... > > August 6, Saturday afternoon. A thunder storm in Brooklyn after days of heat and humidity. I lie on my bed enjoying it, noticing the rain running down the bark of the tree outside my window. Charles [Reznikoff] would have enjoyed that. Backyard poetry, he wrote a lot of it. Backyard but not sentimental: the trees, the bark, the oblong light in the darkness scrupulously observed. That is what the Objectivists had in common. (Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) > > ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? Charles Reznikoff: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 1984) edited by Milton Hindus > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sheila black > To: new-poetry > Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:30 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts > > I don't really associate Joe with football, actually. But let me tell you, he is the backyard poet of our times--! I told him he should join the listserv, > but he said he is sure he is too argumentative.... > > I'll tell him hi back, though! > > Sheila > > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 > From: halvard at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts > > Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate > football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico. > > Say hi back to him. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; > Transparencies & Projections > > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: > > I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico > mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- > > He says HI! > > Sheila > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I were at home, I could type some from group, but Joe in my book is aces. We call him the "Syntax King" behind his back in our group, because--he is originally from Spain but immigrated here as a child--his poems always sound so colloquial--jazzy, chatty, but they're not; they're tight. Blanco and I ?When I feel like being depressed I?ll call you. Send your rejections. Thanks.? Blanco and I sit in umbrella shade of the old locust. He?s an eleven-year old tom cat without ears. He won?t listen. He grips life?s slipping away tightly. A few claws and teeth left, he eats tiny amounts of soft food ten times a day. Squirts each flower in the backyard one drop apiece. Walks stiffly like old men. That?s why old Chinese turn contemplative: no eyes left, they focus in, like inside one sweet alyssum. I should?ve been born old! Then I wouldn?t have to stomach mid-life. Ascetic and independent, these old men disconnect from every interruptions. That?s not rude. It?s, with the end in sight, a pure hunger. To Frank O?Hara?s Lunch Poems Reading you I?m in an empty lot of tumbleweeds. Small gleaming objects everywhere. Or the overgrown edge of that yard behind Ranchway #2. Like someone?s hair Being truly stubborn the whole day. But let?s not investigate, o.k? Because, anyway, what?s in a brain? The car rolls easily down the alley splashed with sun and variegated garbage. Here, no one owns any thing or body. God must?ve been an Abstract Expressionist he made the world so free. Like you do. Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:40:10 -0500 From: junction at earthlink.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Sheila: Send us one of his poems? -----Original Message----- From: sheila black Sent: Dec 16, 2011 6:36 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts That's it exactly. Joe (Somoza) writes everyday in his backyard--which is just a normal las Cruces small down desert not such an attractive after backyard but it becomes in Joe's poems pretty scrupulously observed and pretty darn large-- I admire him for that--one of many poets who should be better known-- Sheila To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Speaking of 'backyard poets'... August 6, Saturday afternoon. A thunder storm in Brooklyn after days of heat and humidity. I lie on my bed enjoying it, noticing the rain running down the bark of the tree outside my window. Charles [Reznikoff] would have enjoyed that. Backyard poetry, he wrote a lot of it. Backyard but not sentimental: the trees, the bark, the oblong light in the darkness scrupulously observed. That is what the Objectivists had in common. (Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? Charles Reznikoff: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 1984) edited by Milton Hindus -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:30 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts I don't really associate Joe with football, actually. But let me tell you, he is the backyard poet of our times--! I told him he should join the listserv, but he said he is sure he is too argumentative.... I'll tell him hi back, though! Sheila Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico. Say hi back to him. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II), Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III), Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems, Mainly Black, Obras P?blicas; The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets; Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones; Tango Bouquet; Theory of Harmony; Rapsodie espagnole; Guide to the Tokyo Subway; The Sonnet Project; G(e)nome; Winter Journey; Eclipse; The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- He says HI! 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On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:47 PM, gabriel gudding wrote: > Tony's right. 436 pages handwritten in car during 27 roundtrips btw > Normal Illinois and Providence, 2002 - 2005, I-74, I-465, I-70, I-270, > I-71, I-76, I-80, I-81, I-380, I-84, I-691, I-91, 9, I-95 and back. > 1108 miles one way. 18 hrs. Dalkey Archive. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Anthony Robinson > wrote: > > Gabe's entire book Rhode Island Notebook was written in the car, while > > driving. > > > > Tony > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jerry McGuire > > wrote: > >> > >> Right. Like they say, "Poetry in motion." When I was younger I actually > >> wrote while I was driving fairly often--some impulse would hit, some > >> association kick in, some object snap up out of the landscape, and I'd > lean > >> over to write on the pad I kept on the passenger seat, one eye (if I was > >> lucky) on the road. I'm sure there are more great car poems out there. > >> Anyone got a live one? (I just recalled one of my own, which I'll > append): > >> > >> Jerry > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> STUTZ > >> > >> > >> The picture my sister sent pinballed through the internet > >> like a cat ricocheting around a living-room > >> after a parakeet that?s skipped its cage, and hit home and was clicked > >> upon and blossomed in me like the blood of that parakeet > >> on a white wool carpet when she?s clicked on by that cat. > >> Ouch, I thought, how young my father was, there behind > >> that weird butterflied windscreen of his ?26 Stutz > >> back when none of this had happened. Whatever baredirt yard > >> he?s in says scrapyard or brickyard all over. You know that all the dogs > >> are mutts here, even his most virtuous and virtuosic > >> Lady, than whom none was ever blacker in the field and stream. > >> Somewhere around here (it?s spring) there must be a litter > >> of buggy kittens. The litter of louse-ridden kids > >> is still on the way, razzle in the old man?s eye. > >> Here he?s just warming up, the Bearcat purrs and growls, > >> the Depression is a pissant he hammers his horn at > >> as he blows by. He told me once that he and his father > >> worked a while in the same mill, boxboard or cider, > >> and every night hi-balling home he?d watch the old man go white > >> in the face and dig his fingers in the armrests of the Stutz > >> like an inner tube going over Niagara. ?But he never said a word,? > >> he said. It must have been fine, I thought, to have a car > >> that terrified your father so he nearly wet his pants. I thought > >> (though I didn?t see it at the time), Where?s the little bird > >> I can chase around my cage till it gives in? > >> Where?s my baby? Where?s my Bearcat? What?s the catch? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 12/11/2011 12:31 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > >> > >> The car perspective, from the inside out... > >> > >> The Sacred > >> > >> > >> After the teacher asked if anyone had > >> a sacred place > >> and the students fidgeted and shrunk > >> > >> in their chairs, the most serious of them all > >> said it was his car, > >> being in it alone, his tape deck playing > >> > >> things he'd chosen, and others knew the truth > >> had been spoken > >> and began speaking about their rooms, > >> > >> their hiding places, but the car kept coming > >> up, the car in motion, > >> music filling it, and sometimes one other person > >> > >> who understood the bright altar of the dashboard > >> and how far away > >> a car could take him from the need > >> > >> to speak, or to answer, the key > >> in having a key > >> and putting it in, and going. > >> > >> > >> Stephen Dunn, Between Angels (Norton, 1989) > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jerry McGuire > >> Dept. of English > >> University of Louisiana at Lafayette > >> Lafayette LA 70506 > >> jlm8047 at louisiana.edu > >> 337-482-5478 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > http://omniafluens.tumblr.com/ > http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ > http://tiny.cc/universitypage > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From semanticsblack at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 10:20:48 2011 From: semanticsblack at yahoo.com (sheila black) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:20:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324135248.17179.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yes, me too. Sorry about the typos. I have been grading 50 final exam essays and my eyes are really tired. I love the poems you posted by Joe. Does he have a book out? ? Sheila ?Sheila Black --- On Sat, 12/17/11, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 9:07 AM Thanks Sheila!? I alway get a slight frisson when I see your name--what are the odds?? Two of us! From: semanticsblack at yahoo.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:19:01 -0600 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Thank you "other" sheila black on our poetics listserv for these two oems by Joe---excellent and witty! Also, been reading your ongoing discussions with Gabriel Gudding, et al and though we have different perspectives, love the you represent! Sheila e. Black ??Sheila e. Black. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:50 PM, sheila black wrote: I'm so glad you asked. Here's two I could pull from on-line.? If I were at home, I could type some from group, but Joe in my book is aces.? We call him the "Syntax King" behind his back in our group, because--he is originally from Spain but immigrated here as a child--his poems always sound so colloquial--jazzy, chatty, but they're not; they're tight. Blanco and I ?When I feel like being depressed I?ll call you. Send your rejections. Thanks.? Blanco and I sit in umbrella shade of the old locust. He?s an eleven-year old tom cat without ears. He won?t listen. He grips life?s slipping away tightly. A few claws and teeth left, he eats tiny amounts of soft food ten times a day. Squirts each flower in the backyard one drop apiece. Walks stiffly like old men. That?s why old Chinese turn contemplative: no eyes left, they focus in, like inside one sweet alyssum. I should?ve been born old! Then I wouldn?t have to stomach mid-life. Ascetic and independent, these old men disconnect from every interruptions. That?s not rude. It?s, with the end in sight, a pure hunger. To Frank O?Hara?s Lunch Poems Reading you I?m in an empty lot of tumbleweeds. Small gleaming objects everywhere. Or the overgrown edge of that yard behind Ranchway #2. Like someone?s hair Being truly stubborn the whole day. But let?s not investigate, o.k? Because, anyway, what?s in a brain? The car rolls easily down the alley splashed with sun and variegated garbage. Here, no one owns any thing or body. God must?ve been an Abstract Expressionist he made the world so free. Like you do. Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:40:10 -0500 From: junction at earthlink.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts #yiv979400905 .yiv979400905ExternalClass {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Sheila: Send us one of his poems? -----Original Message----- From: sheila black Sent: Dec 16, 2011 6:36 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts That's it exactly.? Joe (Somoza) writes everyday in his backyard--which is just a normal las Cruces small down desert not such an attractive after backyard but it becomes in Joe's poems pretty scrupulously observed and pretty darn large-- I admire him for that--one of many poets who should be better known-- Sheila To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Speaking of 'backyard poets'... August 6, Saturday afternoon. A thunder storm in Brooklyn after days of heat and humidity. I lie on my bed enjoying it, noticing the rain running down the bark of the tree outside my window. Charles [Reznikoff] would have enjoyed that. Backyard poetry, he wrote a lot of it. Backyard but not sentimental: the trees, the bark, the oblong light in the darkness scrupulously observed. That is what the Objectivists had in common. (Though Charles once told me that all they had in common when they first met was the state of being unpublished and an admiration for the dos and don?ts that Ezra Pound was publishing in Poetry magazine.) ?Harvey Shapiro, ?Remembering Charles Reznikoff,? 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Sheila Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:19 -0600 From: halvard at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] List Management: Please clean up posts Well, yes, Ms. Sheila, I've known Joe for many and many a year, but I associate football more with El Paso than with Puerto Rico.? Say hi back to him. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; Transparencies & Projections On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, sheila black wrote: I have cleaned my post--feel ready for a new year. But Mr. Halvard--Joe Somoza, with whom I am in a poetry group with here in New Mexico mentioned your name last night--something about long ago football game in Puerto Rico and being allowed to go out and play-- He says HI! 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I also wrote children?s stories; I lived in frightful poverty, but I didn?t want any more jobs.? Picasso plays the role, in this narrative, of liberating genius. Jacob told the memoirist Robert Guiette, ?Picasso had come back from Spain and found Max desperate over the loss of his job. ?What kind of life is that?? Picasso asked. ?Live like the poets!??? The liberation, the imperative to follow a life of art, extended even to physical appearance. Jacob told Maurice Martin du Gard in 1920, ?It?s Picasso who changed my life?It was he who told me, ?Shave off your beard.? He who told me, ?Take off your pince-nez, wear a monocle. Don?t be time-puncher. Live like a poet.? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CC: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu From: gabrielgudding at gmail.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:34:09 -0500 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy really loved Hitchens, an addict of his religion debates on youtube, his articles etc, love his Portable Atheist, bothered markedly by his take on iraq (his hawkishness twd iran), persuaded by his intolerance twd religion in other cultures, impressed by his strength (eg his trouncing tony blair between chemo bouts in toronto last december during their debate about religion). really delightful and principled person. loved his brazen refusal to respect the foolishness of religion. liked how he recited poetry if not always what he recited. guy was a marvel. omniafluens.tumblr.comgabrielgudding.blogspot.com On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: Thanks, I shared on Facebook. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:45 AM, wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn82f3X7qQ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 17:44:08 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:44:08 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy In-Reply-To: <16578.3f3ed65.3c1e6b55@cs.com> References: <16578.3f3ed65.3c1e6b55@cs.com> Message-ID: Sssh, you troublemaker. Bob's taking a nap. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:01 PM, wrote: > What was Hitchens's take on Visual Poetry, I wonder. I admired Hitchens > but never read or saw him. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Dec 17 18:08:09 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:08:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <16578.3f3ed65.3c1e6b55@cs.com> Message-ID: <3FDFC59487284C708C259E80575DB221@BobHP> What was Hitchens's take on Visual Poetry, I wonder. I admired Hitchens but never read or saw him. Sssh, you troublemaker. Bob's taking a nap. I?d be surprised if he even knew what it was?but that?s only to say that I know of his views on politics and religion but can?t remember what he thought of any of the arts, if I ever knew. 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On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:45 AM, wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn82f3X7qQ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hitchens' writings earned him the ire of Roman Catholics: for example, Brent Bozell, board member of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, called Hitchens and Aroup Chatterjee "notoriously vicious anti-Catholics".[18] During Mother Teresa's beatification process, Hitchens was called by the Vatican to argue the case against her, in particular noting that her "miracles" were better explained through technology than divine intervention. He testified in Washington that his role had previously been known as the "Devil's Advocate", although Pope John Paul II had abolished that position. Hitchens has satirically referred to his work in the case as the person chosen "to represent the devil pro bono".[19] [edit] Cindy Sheehan --- On Sat, 12/17/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 9:59 PM Hitchens was probably the first writer of prominence to openly criticize Mother Theresa, a woman who not only celebrated poverty, but shunned birth control (the very thing that, yes, breeds poverty). --- On Sat, 12/17/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hitchens (RIP) reads Hardy To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 2:42 AM Thanks, I shared on Facebook. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:45 AM, wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn82f3X7qQ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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One more thought: the workshop format is obviously bullshit, since a poem cannot be audience tested or written by a commitee. The word itself, workshop, is ridiculous as applied to poetry. If this entire system isn't unraveling, I'm sure the next evolution in the poetry writing racket will be assembly line poetry: Good at metaphor but clueless at syntax? Don't worry, we'll plug you into the right slot at the South Dakota/Oracle/Beige University MFA Poetry Assembly Line System. We'll "teach" you how to generate endless bizarre yet apt metaphors while never having to worry about periods, commas, clauses or any of that other grammatical bullshit. We already know you can't even compose a coherent email, but don't worry, you'll be a certified poet soon enough, with your own well-linked blog. Bank loans readily available for all qualified or unqualified sensitive and intellectually ravenous, sort of, suckers. 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Vaclav Havel: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/world/europe/vaclav-havel-dissident-playwright-who-led-czechoslovakia-dead-at-75.html?_r=1&hp -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324221258.59747.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The universe is picking on the letter H. & Havel, a man of letters drafted to be head of state ... a genuinely decent man. --- On Sun, 12/18/11, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 9:49 AM Oh, this makes me sad--Havel and Hitchens; feels as if the map of the world is fading a bit. Sheila Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:42:47 +0100 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Vaclav Havel: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/world/europe/vaclav-havel-dissident-playwright-who-led-czechoslovakia-dead-at-75.html?_r=1&hp -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barack enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 14:43:46 2011 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:43:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 Message-ID: http://bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2011/12/18/best-poetry-books/EMwDBZdDcYcbfbVNhLyh6L/story.html I know, I know: no visual poetry. No poetry that doesn't use "techniques" not in use for the last 50 or so years. "That list ignores my pet aesthetic and/or political agenda/slang" and all that. Enjoy anyway. Merry Christmas. Best, Jeff Newberry -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy anyway. > > Merry Christmas. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sun Dec 18 17:20:33 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:20:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE8BEA647BD1F4-1E04-7D624@webmail-d163.sysops.aol.com> Havel, Hitchens, George Whitman. . . -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: new-poetry Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 7:01 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Oh, this makes me sad--Havel and Hitchens; feels as if the map of the world is fading a bit. Sheila Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:42:47 +0100 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Vaclav Havel: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/world/europe/vaclav-havel-dissident-playwright-who-led-czechoslovakia-dead-at-75.html?_r=1&hp -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Dec 20 12:08:23 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:08:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Poet's Freedom Message-ID: <8CE8D511D946B13-18E4-BF511@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo12183412.html Why do we need new art? How free is the artist in making? And why is the artist, and particularly the poet, a figure of freedom in Western culture? The MacArthur Award?winning poet and critic Susan Stewart ponders these questions in The Poet?s Freedom. Through a series of evocative essays, she not only argues that freedom is necessary to making and is itself something made, but also shows how artists give rules to their practices and model a self-determination that might serve in other spheres of work. Stewart traces the ideas of freedom and making through insightful readings of an array of Western philosophers and poets?Plato, Homer, Marx, Heidegger, Arendt, Dante, and Coleridge are among her key sources. She begins by considering the theme of making in the Hebrew Scriptures, examining their accountof a god who creates the world and leaves humans free to rearrange and reform the materials of nature. She goes on to follow the force of moods, sounds, rhythms, images, metrical rules, rhetorical traditions, the traps of the passions, and the nature of language in the cycle of making and remaking. Throughout the book she weaves the insight that the freedom to reverse any act of artistic making is as essential as the freedom to create. A book about the pleasures of making and thinking as means of life, The Poet?s Freedom explores and celebrates the freedom of artists who, working under finite conditions, make considered choices and shape surprising consequences. 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Good evidence that, yes, Hichens was a Philistine about poetry. ? --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Dec 20 14:35:48 2011 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hitchens re Auden Message-ID: <1854d.5a1900c5.3c223d94@cs.com> In a message dated 12/20/2011 1:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com writes: > > > Auden had three of the qualities that make poets immortal. He wrote > beautifully about love, movingly about war, and he was witty. > > Good evidence that, yes, Hichens was a Philistine about poetry. > > --Bob > > I always thought he was pro-Israel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He maintained that the Israel-Palestine conflict is a "trivial squabble" that has become "so dangerous to all of us" because of "the faith-based element."[106] ? Hitchens collaborated on this issue with prominent Palestinian advocate Edward Said, in 1988 publishing Blaming the Victims: Spurious Scholarship and the Palestinian Question. ? ? --- On Tue, 12/20/11, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Hitchens re Auden To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011, 2:35 PM In a message dated 12/20/2011 1:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com writes: Auden had three of the qualities that make poets immortal. He wrote beautifully about love, movingly about war, and he was witty. Good evidence that, yes, Hichens was a Philistine about poetry. ? --Bob I always thought he was pro-Israel. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Often these writings include mesostics and essays created bysubjecting the work of other writers to chance procedures using the IChing. Fifty years later comes a beautiful new edition with a forewordby eminent music critic Kyle Gann. A landmark book in American artsand culture, Silence has been translated into more than fortylanguages and has sold over half a million copies worldwide. WesleyanUniversity Press is proud to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of thebook?s publication with this special hardcover edition. For more details, click here. Alsoavailable as an ebook -- check with your favorite ebook retailer. Click hereto forward this e-mail to a friend! ORDERING DETAILS: SAVE 30% on print editions when you order from the above web site anduse discount code W301 -- use the "details" link above. Or orderthrough your favorite bookseller, or by calling University Press ofNew England at 1-800-421-1561 (or 603-448-1533, x255 or x256). 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The song ?The Dreamer,? off the album ?The Dreamer, The Believer,? features a poem that Angelou penned and recited at the rapper?s request. It urges people to follow their dreams, with such lines as ?From Africa they lay in the bilge of slave ships / And stood half naked on auction blocks /. . . and still they dreamed.? Common?s lyrics, however, include such lines as ?Told my n---a [Kanye West] I?m ?bout to win the Grammys now? and the boast ?N---as with no heart, I?m the pacemaker.? Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/rapper_bombs_poet_pal_vGpl6qIvAl1judJ7oszEFI#ixzz1h7tANfwu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Publishers Weekly... http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/best-books/2011/poetry#book/book-1 No Tell blog... http://notellpoetry.blogspot.com/2011/12/best-poetry-books-of-2011-elizabeth.html Lime Tree blog... http://lime-tree.blogspot.com/2011/12/twenty-books-of-poetry-from-2011-that.html Poetry Foundation people... http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/12/the-poetry-foundation-staffs-favorite-books-of-2011/ Library Journal... http://reviews.libraryjournal.com/2011/12/best-of/best-books-2011-poetry/ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 9:51 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 http://bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2011/12/18/best-poetry-books/EMwDBZdDcYcbfbVNhLyh6L/story.html I know, I know: no visual poetry. No poetry that doesn't use "techniques" not in use for the last 50 or so years. "That list ignores my pet aesthetic and/or political agenda/slang" and all that. Enjoy anyway. Merry Christmas. Best, Jeff Newberry -- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Dec 21 06:22:23 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:22:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CE8DAD05983984-21C0-13241A@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE8DAD05983984-21C0-13241A@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:06 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 Interesting how little overlap between the lists...more evidence of poetry's democratization of tastes? I think it?s more just that (1) there are so many collections being published, none of which is really outstanding, and (2) lack of intelligent standards (such as whether or not a set of poems does something that was not widely done fifty or more years ago). My goodness, there I go again. Why on earth should anyone consider that of value? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 14:34:51 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:34:51 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Season's greetings from Hal & Lynda Message-ID: Best of the best to all of you. Click here --=> http://halandlynda.blogspot.com/ Serving the tri-state area. 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I think it?s more just that (1) there are so many collections being published, none of which is really outstanding, and (2) lack of intelligent standards (such as whether or not a set of poems does something that was not widely done fifty or more years ago). My goodness, there I go again. Why on earth should anyone consider that of value? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Dec 21 16:16:24 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:16:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CE8E32AF04D338-864-CA8ED@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE8DAD05983984-21C0-13241A@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> <8CE8E32AF04D338-864-CA8ED@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <96522DA352AC4CD2AA4B2F82FE10CF12@BobHP> Sorry, James, but I thought I said two things in specific response to what you said?I gave two other reasons for there being so little overlap between collections. The first is one that David Graham would had pointed out, as he has many more times than once, without bothering anyone. True, the second was rudely stated. Possibly if someone refuted it, I?d retreat a bit. No one has. Nonetheless, I too wish everyone happy holidays, and good things to happen for you in 2012. --Bob From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:03 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 Bob, you don't need to write so many words... "Play recorded loop," would do at this point. Happy holidays to you and all others on the list. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: bob grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Dec 21, 2011 9:46 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:06 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Boston Globe's Top Poetry Books of 2011 Interesting how little overlap between the lists...more evidence of poetry's democratization of tastes? I think it?s more just that (1) there are so many collections being published, none of which is really outstanding, and (2) lack of intelligent standards (such as whether or not a set of poems does something that was not widely done fifty or more years ago). My goodness, there I go again. Why on earth should anyone consider that of value? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 00:02:05 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:02:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324530125.77960.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Havel and Tom Stoppard collarborated. Sort of ... Stoppard, a Czech by birth, did the English version of Havel's Largo Desolato. --- On Sun, 12/18/11, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 9:49 AM Oh, this makes me sad--Havel and Hitchens; feels as if the map of the world is fading a bit. Sheila Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:42:47 +0100 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Vaclav Havel: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/world/europe/vaclav-havel-dissident-playwright-who-led-czechoslovakia-dead-at-75.html?_r=1&hp -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fainter smells of carrot and mushroom follow him around the house, piquant green pepper, perhaps the water and salt. - *from Mr. Bondo's Unshared Life* * * -- Jim Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org https://sites.google.com/site/jamesvcervantes/home http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 11:37:33 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recommended Message-ID: <1324571853.86777.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ?from -- Split This Rock? Recommended Poetry Books of 2011 ? ? ? ? Wisdom Teeth, Derrick Weston Brown (Busboys and Poets Press) "After reading Derrick Weston Brown's Wisdom Teeth, it's hard to believe this is his first collection of poems. As?Busboys and Poet's first Poet-In-Residence, Brown approaches his poetry with an incredible confidence, which often touches on tense topics of history and culture." - Kaitie O'Hare for Split This Rock? ? L-Vis Lives: Racemusic Poems, Kevin Coval (Haymarket Books) "A radically candid collection... daring, historically grounded, and socially cathartic poems... Coval's air-clearing honesty about violent and insidious racism and authenticity and creativity is blazing and liberating." - Donna Seaman, Booklist ? Head Off & Split, Nikky Finney (Triquarterly) - Winner of the National Book Award for Poetry? "What makes this book as important as anything published in the last decade is the irresistible music, the formal dexterity and the imaginative leaps she makes with metaphor and language in these simply stunning poems." --Kwame Dawes, author of Hope's Hospice ? The Captain Asks for a Show of Hands, Nick Flynn (Graywolf Press) "By engaging with the contemporary world, and its atrocities, Flynn faces up to some of the most difficult and uncomfortable questions and confusions of our time, and his devotion to the consideration and confrontation of dark truths, compels the reader to do the same." - Louise Helferty for Split This Rock ? ? Bringing the Shovel Down, Ross Gay (University of Pittsburgh Press) "These poems speak out of a global consciousness as well as an individual wisdom that is bright with pity, terror, and rage, and which asks the reader to realize that she is not alone-that the grief he carries is not just his own." - Jean Valentine ? Kingdom Animalia, Aracelis Girmay (BOA Editions) "Girmay's poems, sometimes ecstatic, and always incantatory, take as their project the disciplined practice of building connections...?Kingdom Animalia maps the world in which we live, classifying us, grouping us, reminding us of what sets us apart, and what ties us together." - Camille Dungy for The Rumpus? ? Black Blossoms, Rigoberto Gonz?lez (Four Way Press) "Black Blossoms taps into the waters of Lethe, as a bower uniting desire and mortality, history and the present, in tones alternately rapturous and threnodial. Gonzalez alights on the darkest and most alluring flowers, "the beauty and grief of life," and draws us down into its intoxicating sweetness." -D. A. Powell ? Mule & Pear, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (New Issues) "Griffiths gifts us with deleted scenes, alternate endings, and a VIP pass to wander the sets of some of the greatest literature of our time... But what else should we expect from an artist who sees the world through so many mediums?" -Frank X Walker ? The Requited Distance, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (Sheep Meadow) "The myths and ancient images...?wander into each other's stories, get possessed by another's myths and challenge the old music with their questions...There is a surreal, unsettled beauty in these re-settings and these ancient dreams invade our own time with their inevitable augury."- Ed Roberson ? Elegies for New York Avenue, Melanie Henderson (Main Street Rag) "Elegies for New York Avenue, the 2011 Main Street Rag Poetry Book Award Winner, is quite a collection of verse, styles, and emotions. It tackles all of life's complex subjects but it also celebrates the simplicity of life in Washington D.C." - Brian Gilmore for The Big Ideas? ? Chameleon Couch, Yusef Komunyakaa (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux) "Known for musical references and remarkable imagery, the Pulitzer Prize winner mixes worlds freely. Memory is stirred up and ghosts engaged, from Minerva to Monk.... More than a witness, Komunyakaa navigates between poles: between crime and faith, cages and paradise, love and reason." - Jeffrey Cyphers White, The Brooklyn Rail ? Last Seen, Jacqueline Jones LaMon (University of Wisconsin Press) "At the heart of Jacqueline Jones LaMon's collection is a haunting series of poems born of the silence tragedy and loss wedges into our lives. With restraint and through a variety of characters, LaMon gives voice to those whose voices have been lost to us, who've left behind only questions and vivid empty spaces." - Natasha Tretheway, author of Native Guard ? Transfer, Naomi Shihab Nye (BOA Editions) "Naomi Shihab Nye has more than honored her father by these poems. In their personal and tender qualities, she honors all of us who know loss. Anyone who knows grief, especially the loss of a parent or of a homeland, can find a fatherly love, a homeland, in these poems." - Joseph Ross? ? Meanwhile, Kathleen O'Toole (WordTech Communications) "Kathleen O'Toole's Meanwhile dwells as much on what is not present as what is. The book plays with time, transience, land and place, and works these themes into a powerful statement about justice and love." - Katherine Howell for Split This Rock? ? Spit Back a Boy, Iain Halley Pollock (University of Georgia Press) "Beyond the bracing intelligence in these poems, beyond the surges of joy and trouble, beyond the poet's awe in this split second, he plunges with imagination into the timeless work of loving witness, resonant with high style and the blues." - Brooks Haxton, author of They Lift Their Wings to Cry ? Inside the Money Machine, Minnie Bruce Pratt (Carolina Wren Press) "Deeply informed by politics and an analysis of the socioeconomic system in the United States today-and it's flaws-Pratt doesn't deliver a polemic...but rather a carefully observed and deeply transformative vision of people doing work in the United States and around the world today." - Julie R. Enszer, Lambda Literary ? Tonight No Poetry Will Serve, Adrienne Rich (W.W Norton & Company) "Rich is one of the greatest American poets of the past half century...attested to both by the extraordinary power of her poems and by the laurels she's racked up....The events of our blood-dimmed decade have afforded Rich a subject for some of her strongest material." - Sara Marcus, San Francisco Chronicle ? Animal Magnetism, Kim Roberts (Pearl Editions) "Animal Magnetism?takes the reader on an unexpected and fascinating tour - a tour of the human body via an exploration of unusual museums and peculiar collections of medical memorabilia...?Roberts' verse is lean and lyrical... a formalism [that] is easy and non-intrusive and frames the poems in a sheath of historicity, as if we were observing them like specimens behind an antique glass display." Mike Maggio, Rattle ? Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad, Margaret Rozga (Benu Press) "The poems in Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad throb with the anxiety of those left behind: mother, lover, friend. They are finely tuned to the fractures in daily life when a child is at war, when a child is wounded in war - how language itself stutters through fear and grief... Rozga's striking poems tell us, Look. Here. This is the true cost of war. Here." Sarah Browning, Split This Rock ? the new black: poems, Evie Shockley (Wesleyan University Press) "Shockley's the new black is a dismantling of archetypes: a series of poems where black is at times landscape and at times backdrop, righteous fist in the air or questioning glance...Race is the linchpin but not the quintessence." -Reginald Dwayne Betts for Post No Ills? ? Mad for Meat, Kevin Simmonds (Salmon Poetry) "As sharply and carefully honed as his poems are, Kevin Simmonds has managed to preserve a quality of urgency, spontaneity and surprise in his poems through his unquestionable sense of music and, above all, through his willingness to take risks in subject and form." --? Kwame Dawes ? Life on Mars, Tracy K. Smith (Graywolf Press) "[Life on Mars] blends pop culture, history, elegy, anecdote, and sociopolitical commentary to illustrate the weirdness of contemporary living. . . . The title poem, which includes everything from 'dark matter' and 'a father.../ who kept his daughter/ Locked in a cell for decades' to Abu Ghraib is proof that life is far stranger and more haunting than fiction." - Publishers Weekly ? Tropicalia, Emma Trelles (University of Notre Dame Press) "Tropicalia gives us instead an ultrasensitive pair of eyes in addition to our own--as acutely attuned to color and texture and passion as a painter's. Trelles writes with a sensibility part emotional and part anthropological, offering a way of seeing first the surfaces and then delving into the poems' subjects with both heart and precision." - Khadijah Queen for Post No Ills? ? Ardency: A Chronicle of the Amistad Rebels, Kevin Young (Knopf) "Twenty years in the making, Kevin Young's "Ardency,'' a sprawling choral retelling of the 1839 uprising aboard the slave ship Amistad and the aftermath for its captives, rises fearlessly to the challenge of historical poetry, in both the breadth of its scope and the intimacy of its materials. Young transforms archived letters, artifacts, and oral accounts into a carefully composed clamor of voices, stolen through history into some of the year's keenest lines."?- Boston Globe ? ? Anthologies ? Beauty is a Verb: The New Poetry of Disability, Editors: Sheila Black, Jennifer Bartlett, Michael Northen (Cinco Puntos Press) "Highly intuitive and without artifice, the poetry in this compendium shows that the greatest difference may be the greatest triumph. This book's a brain trust of talent in a world of doubt. Sensory memory, self analysis-the constants of the poet-acquire a greater spiritual value than before, teaching all of us to trust our own abilities. It is sumptuous." - Grace Cavalieri, Washington Independent Review of Books? ? Collective Brightness: LGBTIQ Poets on Faith, Religion, & Spirituality, Editor: Kevin Simmonds (Sibling Rivalry Press) "If prophesy is speaking an idea whose time has come, then Collective Brightness must be prophetic. In a time when the right for all persons to participate in religious freedoms, such as marriage or ordination, is shifting and changing, and when religious groups of all kinds demonstrate their turmoil over sexual identity, the 100 plus poets represented in the anthology write boldly of faith, lack thereof, religion, exclusion therefrom, and spirituality that cannot be taken from them." - Katherine Howell for Split This Rock? ? Milk & Honey: A Celebration of Jewish Lesbian Poetry, Editor: Julie R. Enszer (A Midsummer Night's Press) "In the land of milk and honey, there is room for a myriad of voices expressing a spectrum of emotions and witnessing a pantheon of moments - rage and humor, passion and regret, secular necessity and sexual desire, political exhortation and personal reflection. That's how it is in this collection of work by more than 30 poets, every one somehow queer and in some way Jewish." -?Richard Labonte,?Book Marks ? Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Editor: Allison Hedge Coke (University of Arizona Press) "One of the most essential anthologies of recent years, Sing is rare in scope and insight. The poems found here are a testament to the power of indigeneity and the urgency of our current moment. This book sings the hemisphere into glorious fullness, teaching us the connections between us, and the great schisms between our knowledge and our actions." - Matthew Shenoda, author of Seasons of Lotus, Seasons of Bone ? Entering the Real World: VCCA Poets on Mt. San Angelo, Editors: Margaret B. Ingraham and Andrea Carter Brown (Wavertree Press) Editor Margaret B. Ingraham writes, "This anthology is at once a work of literary merit, a celebratory offering, and an historical record of a hallowed place." A celebration of the 40yh anniversary of the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts. Contains over 60 previously published poems by VCCA Fellows, written about or inspired by their VCCA?residencies. The poets are from throughout the United States, around the world, and across the decades. ? ? And a few 2012 books we're looking forward to: Richard Blanco, Looking for the Gulf Motel (Pitt Poetry Series)Carmen Calatayud, Cave Walk (Press 53)Martha Collins, White Papers (Pitt Poetry Series)Piotr Gwiazda, Messages (Pond Road Press)Nathalie Handal,?Poet in Andaluc?a (Pitt)Alan King, Drift (Willow Books)Alicia Ostriker, The Book of Life: Selected Jewish Poems, 1979-2011 (Pitt Poetry Series)Joseph Ross, Meeting Bone Man (Main Street Rag)Tim Seibles, Fast Animal (Etruscan Press)Patricia Smith, Shoulda Been Jimi Savannah (Coffee House Press)Pamela Uschuk, Wild in the Plaza of Memory (W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 15:58:10 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:58:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recommended In-Reply-To: <1324571853.86777.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1324587490.7839.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> for the record, I don't endorse (as if that matters) any of the choices. But it's good to know that there are organizations that encourage poetry ... of any kind. --- On Thu, 12/22/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] Recommended To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:37 AM ?from -- Split This Rock? Recommended Poetry Books of 2011 ? ? ? ? Wisdom Teeth, Derrick Weston Brown (Busboys and Poets Press) "After reading Derrick Weston Brown's Wisdom Teeth, it's hard to believe this is his first collection of poems. As?Busboys and Poet's first Poet-In-Residence, Brown approaches his poetry with an incredible confidence, which often touches on tense topics of history and culture." - Kaitie O'Hare for Split This Rock? ? L-Vis Lives: Racemusic Poems, Kevin Coval (Haymarket Books) "A radically candid collection... daring, historically grounded, and socially cathartic poems... Coval's air-clearing honesty about violent and insidious racism and authenticity and creativity is blazing and liberating." - Donna Seaman, Booklist ? Head Off & Split, Nikky Finney (Triquarterly) - Winner of the National Book Award for Poetry? "What makes this book as important as anything published in the last decade is the irresistible music, the formal dexterity and the imaginative leaps she makes with metaphor and language in these simply stunning poems." --Kwame Dawes, author of Hope's Hospice ? The Captain Asks for a Show of Hands, Nick Flynn (Graywolf Press) "By engaging with the contemporary world, and its atrocities, Flynn faces up to some of the most difficult and uncomfortable questions and confusions of our time, and his devotion to the consideration and confrontation of dark truths, compels the reader to do the same." - Louise Helferty for Split This Rock ? ? Bringing the Shovel Down, Ross Gay (University of Pittsburgh Press) "These poems speak out of a global consciousness as well as an individual wisdom that is bright with pity, terror, and rage, and which asks the reader to realize that she is not alone-that the grief he carries is not just his own." - Jean Valentine ? Kingdom Animalia, Aracelis Girmay (BOA Editions) "Girmay's poems, sometimes ecstatic, and always incantatory, take as their project the disciplined practice of building connections...?Kingdom Animalia maps the world in which we live, classifying us, grouping us, reminding us of what sets us apart, and what ties us together." - Camille Dungy for The Rumpus? ? Black Blossoms, Rigoberto Gonz?lez (Four Way Press) "Black Blossoms taps into the waters of Lethe, as a bower uniting desire and mortality, history and the present, in tones alternately rapturous and threnodial. Gonzalez alights on the darkest and most alluring flowers, "the beauty and grief of life," and draws us down into its intoxicating sweetness." -D. A. Powell ? Mule & Pear, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (New Issues) "Griffiths gifts us with deleted scenes, alternate endings, and a VIP pass to wander the sets of some of the greatest literature of our time... But what else should we expect from an artist who sees the world through so many mediums?" -Frank X Walker ? The Requited Distance, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (Sheep Meadow) "The myths and ancient images...?wander into each other's stories, get possessed by another's myths and challenge the old music with their questions...There is a surreal, unsettled beauty in these re-settings and these ancient dreams invade our own time with their inevitable augury."- Ed Roberson ? Elegies for New York Avenue, Melanie Henderson (Main Street Rag) "Elegies for New York Avenue, the 2011 Main Street Rag Poetry Book Award Winner, is quite a collection of verse, styles, and emotions. It tackles all of life's complex subjects but it also celebrates the simplicity of life in Washington D.C." - Brian Gilmore for The Big Ideas? ? Chameleon Couch, Yusef Komunyakaa (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux) "Known for musical references and remarkable imagery, the Pulitzer Prize winner mixes worlds freely. Memory is stirred up and ghosts engaged, from Minerva to Monk.... More than a witness, Komunyakaa navigates between poles: between crime and faith, cages and paradise, love and reason." - Jeffrey Cyphers White, The Brooklyn Rail ? Last Seen, Jacqueline Jones LaMon (University of Wisconsin Press) "At the heart of Jacqueline Jones LaMon's collection is a haunting series of poems born of the silence tragedy and loss wedges into our lives. With restraint and through a variety of characters, LaMon gives voice to those whose voices have been lost to us, who've left behind only questions and vivid empty spaces." - Natasha Tretheway, author of Native Guard ? Transfer, Naomi Shihab Nye (BOA Editions) "Naomi Shihab Nye has more than honored her father by these poems. In their personal and tender qualities, she honors all of us who know loss. Anyone who knows grief, especially the loss of a parent or of a homeland, can find a fatherly love, a homeland, in these poems." - Joseph Ross? ? Meanwhile, Kathleen O'Toole (WordTech Communications) "Kathleen O'Toole's Meanwhile dwells as much on what is not present as what is. The book plays with time, transience, land and place, and works these themes into a powerful statement about justice and love." - Katherine Howell for Split This Rock? ? Spit Back a Boy, Iain Halley Pollock (University of Georgia Press) "Beyond the bracing intelligence in these poems, beyond the surges of joy and trouble, beyond the poet's awe in this split second, he plunges with imagination into the timeless work of loving witness, resonant with high style and the blues." - Brooks Haxton, author of They Lift Their Wings to Cry ? Inside the Money Machine, Minnie Bruce Pratt (Carolina Wren Press) "Deeply informed by politics and an analysis of the socioeconomic system in the United States today-and it's flaws-Pratt doesn't deliver a polemic...but rather a carefully observed and deeply transformative vision of people doing work in the United States and around the world today." - Julie R. Enszer, Lambda Literary ? Tonight No Poetry Will Serve, Adrienne Rich (W.W Norton & Company) "Rich is one of the greatest American poets of the past half century...attested to both by the extraordinary power of her poems and by the laurels she's racked up....The events of our blood-dimmed decade have afforded Rich a subject for some of her strongest material." - Sara Marcus, San Francisco Chronicle ? Animal Magnetism, Kim Roberts (Pearl Editions) "Animal Magnetism?takes the reader on an unexpected and fascinating tour - a tour of the human body via an exploration of unusual museums and peculiar collections of medical memorabilia...?Roberts' verse is lean and lyrical... a formalism [that] is easy and non-intrusive and frames the poems in a sheath of historicity, as if we were observing them like specimens behind an antique glass display." Mike Maggio, Rattle ? Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad, Margaret Rozga (Benu Press) "The poems in Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad throb with the anxiety of those left behind: mother, lover, friend. They are finely tuned to the fractures in daily life when a child is at war, when a child is wounded in war - how language itself stutters through fear and grief... Rozga's striking poems tell us, Look. Here. This is the true cost of war. Here." Sarah Browning, Split This Rock ? the new black: poems, Evie Shockley (Wesleyan University Press) "Shockley's the new black is a dismantling of archetypes: a series of poems where black is at times landscape and at times backdrop, righteous fist in the air or questioning glance...Race is the linchpin but not the quintessence." -Reginald Dwayne Betts for Post No Ills? ? Mad for Meat, Kevin Simmonds (Salmon Poetry) "As sharply and carefully honed as his poems are, Kevin Simmonds has managed to preserve a quality of urgency, spontaneity and surprise in his poems through his unquestionable sense of music and, above all, through his willingness to take risks in subject and form." --? Kwame Dawes ? Life on Mars, Tracy K. Smith (Graywolf Press) "[Life on Mars] blends pop culture, history, elegy, anecdote, and sociopolitical commentary to illustrate the weirdness of contemporary living. . . . The title poem, which includes everything from 'dark matter' and 'a father.../ who kept his daughter/ Locked in a cell for decades' to Abu Ghraib is proof that life is far stranger and more haunting than fiction." - Publishers Weekly ? Tropicalia, Emma Trelles (University of Notre Dame Press) "Tropicalia gives us instead an ultrasensitive pair of eyes in addition to our own--as acutely attuned to color and texture and passion as a painter's. Trelles writes with a sensibility part emotional and part anthropological, offering a way of seeing first the surfaces and then delving into the poems' subjects with both heart and precision." - Khadijah Queen for Post No Ills? ? Ardency: A Chronicle of the Amistad Rebels, Kevin Young (Knopf) "Twenty years in the making, Kevin Young's "Ardency,'' a sprawling choral retelling of the 1839 uprising aboard the slave ship Amistad and the aftermath for its captives, rises fearlessly to the challenge of historical poetry, in both the breadth of its scope and the intimacy of its materials. Young transforms archived letters, artifacts, and oral accounts into a carefully composed clamor of voices, stolen through history into some of the year's keenest lines."?- Boston Globe ? ? Anthologies ? Beauty is a Verb: The New Poetry of Disability, Editors: Sheila Black, Jennifer Bartlett, Michael Northen (Cinco Puntos Press) "Highly intuitive and without artifice, the poetry in this compendium shows that the greatest difference may be the greatest triumph. This book's a brain trust of talent in a world of doubt. Sensory memory, self analysis-the constants of the poet-acquire a greater spiritual value than before, teaching all of us to trust our own abilities. It is sumptuous." - Grace Cavalieri, Washington Independent Review of Books? ? Collective Brightness: LGBTIQ Poets on Faith, Religion, & Spirituality, Editor: Kevin Simmonds (Sibling Rivalry Press) "If prophesy is speaking an idea whose time has come, then Collective Brightness must be prophetic. In a time when the right for all persons to participate in religious freedoms, such as marriage or ordination, is shifting and changing, and when religious groups of all kinds demonstrate their turmoil over sexual identity, the 100 plus poets represented in the anthology write boldly of faith, lack thereof, religion, exclusion therefrom, and spirituality that cannot be taken from them." - Katherine Howell for Split This Rock? ? Milk & Honey: A Celebration of Jewish Lesbian Poetry, Editor: Julie R. Enszer (A Midsummer Night's Press) "In the land of milk and honey, there is room for a myriad of voices expressing a spectrum of emotions and witnessing a pantheon of moments - rage and humor, passion and regret, secular necessity and sexual desire, political exhortation and personal reflection. That's how it is in this collection of work by more than 30 poets, every one somehow queer and in some way Jewish." -?Richard Labonte,?Book Marks ? Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Editor: Allison Hedge Coke (University of Arizona Press) "One of the most essential anthologies of recent years, Sing is rare in scope and insight. The poems found here are a testament to the power of indigeneity and the urgency of our current moment. This book sings the hemisphere into glorious fullness, teaching us the connections between us, and the great schisms between our knowledge and our actions." - Matthew Shenoda, author of Seasons of Lotus, Seasons of Bone ? Entering the Real World: VCCA Poets on Mt. San Angelo, Editors: Margaret B. Ingraham and Andrea Carter Brown (Wavertree Press) Editor Margaret B. Ingraham writes, "This anthology is at once a work of literary merit, a celebratory offering, and an historical record of a hallowed place." A celebration of the 40yh anniversary of the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts. Contains over 60 previously published poems by VCCA Fellows, written about or inspired by their VCCA?residencies. The poets are from throughout the United States, around the world, and across the decades. ? ? And a few 2012 books we're looking forward to: Richard Blanco, Looking for the Gulf Motel (Pitt Poetry Series)Carmen Calatayud, Cave Walk (Press 53)Martha Collins, White Papers (Pitt Poetry Series)Piotr Gwiazda, Messages (Pond Road Press)Nathalie Handal,?Poet in Andaluc?a (Pitt)Alan King, Drift (Willow Books)Alicia Ostriker, The Book of Life: Selected Jewish Poems, 1979-2011 (Pitt Poetry Series)Joseph Ross, Meeting Bone Man (Main Street Rag)Tim Seibles, Fast Animal (Etruscan Press)Patricia Smith, Shoulda Been Jimi Savannah (Coffee House Press)Pamela Uschuk, Wild in the Plaza of Memory (W -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I continue to claim more and better criticism is current poetry?s greatest need. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 23:12:14 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recommended In-Reply-To: <0D9146DF2B41497295C7A3087DCBE422@BobHP> Message-ID: <1324613534.33461.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 3 & 4 ... very much ... & I can't argue with the need for better criticism. Especially since I agree. But good critics are rare. ... the long ... list of titles ... Split the Rock, I'm almost certain, is hooked up with Busboys & Poets, a local D.C. establishment. They're promoting the books they have in stock. --- On Thu, 12/22/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Recommended To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 4:25 PM ? ? ? ? for the record, I don't endorse (as if that matters) any of the choices. But it's good to know that there are organizations that encourage poetry ... of any kind. ? I?m not sure. ? 1. what good is such a long list of titles, each with a blurb? ? 2. as usual, I must decry the narrowness (okay, seeming narrowness) of the portion of the contemporary poetry continuum presented?as though no other kind exists. ? 3. would an organization devoted to discouraging bad poetry really be all that bad a thing? ? 4. how about an organization encouraging poetry criticism?? I continue to claim more and better criticism is current poetry?s greatest need. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 12:36:59 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:36:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] By way of the season Message-ID: <10230358.1324661820102.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My only seasonal poem, now 5 years old. BY WAY OF THE SEASON 1 After its struggle the gazelle surrenders to the lion's grip, useless to fight. Does it think then, does it think 'if only I'd dodged to the right. If only. Maybe next time.' As the cat disembowels it and begins to feed. Farewell to the hills farewell to the herd farewell to water hole and tender grasses and the joy of the young at the teat. 2 At moments when the consequences of choice are upon us we say 'this can't be all there is,' but it can. Regret, nostalgia and longing, on the other hand, are ready gifts, one can live as if there were choices with no consequences, as if the life could be unlived and lived again. 3 Day before Christmas in the supermarket the Stones are singing ?Can't get no satisfaction,? but we try & we try & we try & and we try and we buy something. 4 No way no way elusive as wind. 5 Stories and the stories of stories. A vocabulary of places gathered and left. Putting death aside, one wonders whether to climb that distant hill, as in the conservation of matter. There are so many windows to look through. Opposite, a building seems to wear as a crown the trees beyond it. Close one eye or the other to recover its true flatness. If I say 'rock dove' do you see 'pigeon?' 6 No gull rests now on the cross above the church's triangular facade, but it's apparently a perch reserved for gulls to take turns at. So much for religion. One prays to invest oneself in the known and unknown places, the simplicity of the abandoned and the immanence of ruins. Ghost-whispers. 'I am the demon that whimpers at night,' he said, and the pigeons (or doves) ride even the steepest wires. The oblique is granted them. Across the street in front of the travel agency a gruff Santa makes Christmas noises in Caribbean Spanish. For a moment I thought it the ghost rising through the radiator from the apartment below. He dances now to ?The Entertainer? played on a portable keyboard. Ragtime Spanish Santa from the Dominican Republic. And what would Dominic have made of this? 'Church of the Immaculate Deception,' he might have said. As in 'I bring you pestilence' he might have said. It was an epidemic of grace. 7 That year three virgins bore sons. Zeus the King displayed his thunderbolts. Chango fell as a shower of gold. And Chac arrived as rain. Where you find it bring joy. From editor at pavementsaw.org Fri Dec 23 12:49:11 2011 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:49:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Flying above the critical apparati In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324662551.24468.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Published 8 collections this year, a bit over 5000 books probably a quarter of these are gone and not a single collection of ours on a favorites list. Yea! Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts --- On Fri, 12/23/11, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > From: new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 17, Issue 36 > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 5:00 PM > Send New-Poetry mailing list > submissions to > ??? new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > ??? new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ???1. Re: Recommended (stephen russell) > ???2. Re: Recommended (bob grumman) > ???3. Re: Recommended (stephen russell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:58:10 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Recommended > Message-ID: > ??? <1324587490.7839.YahooMailClassic at web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > for the record, I don't endorse (as if that matters) any of > the choices. But it's good to know that there are > organizations that encourage poetry ... of any kind. > > --- On Thu, 12/22/11, stephen russell > wrote: > > From: stephen russell > Subject: [New-Poetry] Recommended > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:37 AM > > ?from -- > > Split This Rock? > Recommended Poetry Books of 2011 > ? ? > ? > ? > Wisdom Teeth, Derrick Weston Brown (Busboys and Poets > Press) > "After reading Derrick Weston Brown's Wisdom Teeth, it's > hard to believe this is his first collection of poems. > As?Busboys and Poet's > first Poet-In-Residence, Brown approaches his poetry with > an incredible > confidence, which often touches on tense topics of history > and > culture." - Kaitie O'Hare for Split This Rock? > ? > L-Vis Lives: Racemusic Poems, Kevin Coval (Haymarket > Books) > "A radically candid > collection... daring, historically grounded, and socially > cathartic > poems... Coval's air-clearing honesty about violent and > insidious racism > and authenticity and creativity is blazing and > liberating." - Donna > Seaman, Booklist > ? > Head Off & Split, Nikky Finney (Triquarterly) - Winner > of the National Book Award for Poetry? > > "What makes this book as important as anything published > in the last > decade is the irresistible music, the formal dexterity and > the > imaginative leaps she makes with metaphor and language in > these simply > stunning poems." --Kwame Dawes, author of Hope's Hospice > ? > The Captain Asks for a Show of Hands, Nick Flynn (Graywolf > Press) > "By engaging with the > contemporary world, and its atrocities, Flynn faces up to > some of the > most difficult and uncomfortable questions and confusions > of our time, > and his devotion to the consideration and confrontation of > dark truths, > compels the reader to do the same." - Louise Helferty for > Split This Rock ? > ? > Bringing the Shovel Down, Ross Gay (University of > Pittsburgh Press) > "These poems speak out of a > global consciousness as well as an individual wisdom that > is bright > with pity, terror, and rage, and which asks the reader to > realize that > she is not alone-that the grief he carries is not just his > own." - Jean > Valentine > ? > Kingdom Animalia, Aracelis Girmay (BOA Editions) > "Girmay's poems, sometimes > ecstatic, and always incantatory, take as their project the > disciplined > practice of building connections...?Kingdom Animalia maps > the > world in which we live, classifying us, grouping us, > reminding us of > what sets us apart, and what ties us together." - Camille > Dungy for The Rumpus? > ? > Black Blossoms, Rigoberto Gonz?lez (Four Way Press) > "Black Blossoms > taps into the waters of Lethe, as a bower uniting desire > and mortality, > history and the present, in tones alternately rapturous and > threnodial. > Gonzalez alights on the darkest and most alluring flowers, > "the beauty > and grief of life," and draws us down into its intoxicating > sweetness." > -D. A. Powell > ? > Mule & Pear, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (New Issues) > "Griffiths gifts us with > deleted scenes, alternate endings, and a VIP pass to wander > the sets of > some of the greatest literature of our time... But what > else should we > expect from an artist who sees the world through so many > mediums?" > -Frank X Walker > ? > The Requited Distance, Rachel Eliza Griffiths (Sheep > Meadow) > "The myths and > ancient images...?wander into each other's stories, get > possessed by > another's myths and challenge the old music with their > questions...There > is a surreal, unsettled beauty in these re-settings and > these ancient > dreams invade our own time with their inevitable augury."- > Ed Roberson > ? > Elegies for New York Avenue, Melanie Henderson (Main Street > Rag) > "Elegies for New York Avenue, > the 2011 Main Street Rag Poetry Book Award Winner, is > quite a > collection of verse, styles, and emotions. It tackles all > of life's > complex subjects but it also celebrates the simplicity of > life in > Washington D.C." - Brian Gilmore for The Big Ideas? > ? > Chameleon Couch, Yusef Komunyakaa (Farrar, Straus, and > Giroux) > "Known for musical > references and remarkable imagery, the Pulitzer Prize > winner mixes > worlds freely. Memory is stirred up and ghosts engaged, > from Minerva to > Monk.... More than a witness, Komunyakaa navigates between > poles: > between crime and faith, cages and paradise, love and > reason." - Jeffrey > Cyphers White, The Brooklyn Rail > ? > Last Seen, Jacqueline Jones LaMon (University of Wisconsin > Press) > "At the heart of Jacqueline > Jones LaMon's collection is a haunting series of poems > born of the > silence tragedy and loss wedges into our lives. With > restraint and > through a variety of characters, LaMon gives voice to those > whose voices > have been lost to us, who've left behind only questions > and vivid empty > spaces." - Natasha Tretheway, author of Native Guard > ? > Transfer, Naomi Shihab Nye (BOA Editions) > "Naomi > Shihab Nye has more than honored her father by these > poems. In their > personal and tender qualities, she honors all of us who > know loss. > Anyone who knows grief, especially the loss of a parent or > of a > homeland, can find a fatherly love, a homeland, in these > poems." - Joseph Ross? > ? > Meanwhile, Kathleen O'Toole (WordTech Communications) > "Kathleen O'Toole's Meanwhile > dwells as much on what is not present as what is. The book > plays with > time, transience, land and place, and works these themes > into a powerful > statement about justice and love." - Katherine Howell for > Split This Rock? > ? > Spit Back a Boy, Iain Halley Pollock (University of Georgia > Press) > "Beyond the bracing > intelligence in these poems, beyond the surges of joy and > trouble, > beyond the poet's awe in this split second, he plunges with > imagination > into the timeless work of loving witness, resonant with > high style and > the blues." - Brooks Haxton, author of They Lift Their > Wings to Cry > ? > Inside the Money Machine, Minnie Bruce Pratt (Carolina Wren > Press) > "Deeply > informed by politics and an analysis of the socioeconomic > system in the > United States today-and it's flaws-Pratt doesn't deliver a > > polemic...but rather a carefully observed and deeply > transformative > vision of people doing work in the United States and around > the world > today." - Julie R. Enszer, Lambda Literary > ? > Tonight No Poetry Will Serve, Adrienne Rich (W.W Norton > & Company) > "Rich is one of the > greatest American poets of the past half century...attested > to both by > the extraordinary power of her poems and by the laurels > she's racked > up....The events of our blood-dimmed decade have afforded > Rich a subject > for some of her strongest material." - Sara Marcus, San > Francisco > Chronicle > ? > Animal Magnetism, Kim Roberts (Pearl Editions) > "Animal Magnetism?takes > the reader on an unexpected and fascinating tour - a tour > of the human > body via an exploration of unusual museums and peculiar > collections of > medical memorabilia...?Roberts' verse is lean and > lyrical... a > formalism [that] is easy and non-intrusive and frames the > poems in a > sheath of historicity, as if we were observing them like > specimens > behind an antique glass display." Mike Maggio, Rattle > ? > Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad, Margaret Rozga (Benu > Press) > "The poems in Though I Haven't Been to Baghdad > throb with the anxiety of those left behind: mother, > lover, friend. > They are finely tuned to the fractures in daily life when a > child is at > war, when a child is wounded in war - how language itself > stutters > through fear and grief... Rozga's striking poems tell us, > Look. Here. This is the true cost of war. Here." Sarah > Browning, Split This Rock > ? > the new black: poems, Evie Shockley (Wesleyan University > Press) > "Shockley's the new black > is a dismantling of archetypes: a series of poems where > black is at > times landscape and at times backdrop, righteous fist in > the air or > questioning glance...Race is the linchpin but not the > quintessence." > -Reginald Dwayne Betts for Post No Ills? > ? > Mad for Meat, Kevin Simmonds (Salmon Poetry) > "As sharply and carefully > honed as his poems are, Kevin Simmonds has managed to > preserve a quality > of urgency, spontaneity and surprise in his poems through > his > unquestionable sense of music and, above all, through his > willingness to > take risks in subject and form." --? Kwame Dawes > ? > Life on Mars, Tracy K. Smith (Graywolf Press) > "[Life on Mars] > blends pop culture, history, elegy, anecdote, and > sociopolitical > commentary to illustrate the weirdness of contemporary > living. . . . The > title poem, which includes everything from 'dark matter' > and 'a > father.../ who kept his daughter/ Locked in a cell for > decades' to Abu > Ghraib is proof that life is far stranger and more haunting > than > fiction." - Publishers Weekly > ? > Tropicalia, Emma Trelles (University of Notre Dame Press) > "Tropicalia gives us > instead an ultrasensitive pair of eyes in addition to our > own--as > acutely attuned to color and texture and passion as a > painter's. Trelles > writes with a sensibility part emotional and part > anthropological, > offering a way of seeing first the surfaces and then > delving into the > poems' subjects with both heart and precision." - Khadijah > Queen for Post No Ills? > ? > Ardency: A Chronicle of the Amistad Rebels, Kevin Young > (Knopf) > "Twenty > years in the making, Kevin Young's "Ardency,'' a sprawling > choral > retelling of the 1839 uprising aboard the slave ship > Amistad and the > aftermath for its captives, rises fearlessly to the > challenge of > historical poetry, in both the breadth of its scope and the > intimacy of > its materials. Young transforms archived letters, > artifacts, and oral > accounts into a carefully composed clamor of voices, stolen > through > history into some of the year's keenest lines."?- Boston > Globe > ? > ? > Anthologies > ? > Beauty is a Verb: The New Poetry of Disability, Editors: > Sheila Black, Jennifer Bartlett, Michael Northen (Cinco > Puntos Press) > "Highly intuitive and > without artifice, the poetry in this compendium shows that > the greatest > difference may be the greatest triumph. This book's a brain > trust of > talent in a world of doubt. Sensory memory, self > analysis-the constants > of the poet-acquire a greater spiritual value than before, > teaching all > of us to trust our own abilities. It is sumptuous." - Grace > Cavalieri, Washington Independent Review of Books? > ? > Collective Brightness: LGBTIQ Poets on Faith, Religion, > & Spirituality, Editor: Kevin Simmonds (Sibling Rivalry > Press) > "If prophesy is speaking an idea whose time has come, then > Collective Brightness > must be prophetic. In a time when the right for all > persons to > participate in religious freedoms, such as marriage or > ordination, is > shifting and changing, and when religious groups of all > kinds > demonstrate their turmoil over sexual identity, the 100 > plus poets > represented in the anthology write boldly of faith, lack > thereof, > religion, exclusion therefrom, and spirituality that cannot > be taken > from them." - Katherine Howell for Split This Rock? > ? > Milk & Honey: A Celebration of Jewish Lesbian Poetry, > Editor: Julie R. Enszer (A Midsummer Night's Press) > "In > the land of milk and honey, there is room for a myriad of > voices > expressing a spectrum of emotions and witnessing a pantheon > of moments - > rage and humor, passion and regret, secular necessity and > sexual > desire, political exhortation and personal reflection. > That's how it is > in this collection of work by more than 30 poets, every one > somehow > queer and in some way Jewish." -?Richard Labonte,?Book > Marks > ? > Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Editor: Allison > Hedge Coke (University of Arizona Press) > "One of the most essential > anthologies of recent years, Sing is rare in scope and > insight. The > poems found here are a testament to the power of > indigeneity and the > urgency of our current moment. This book sings the > hemisphere into > glorious fullness, teaching us the connections between us, > and the great > schisms between our knowledge and our actions." - Matthew > Shenoda, > author of Seasons of Lotus, Seasons of Bone > > ? > Entering the Real World: VCCA Poets on Mt. San Angelo, > Editors: Margaret B. Ingraham and Andrea Carter Brown > (Wavertree Press) > Editor Margaret B. Ingraham > writes, "This anthology is at once a work of literary > merit, a > celebratory offering, and an historical record of a > hallowed place." A > celebration of the 40yh anniversary of the Virginia Center > for the > Creative Arts. Contains over 60 previously published poems > by VCCA > Fellows, written about or inspired by their > VCCA?residencies. The poets are from throughout the United > States, around the world, and across the decades. > ? > ? > > And a few 2012 books we're looking forward to: > Richard Blanco, Looking for the Gulf Motel (Pitt Poetry > Series)Carmen Calatayud, Cave Walk (Press 53)Martha Collins, > White Papers (Pitt Poetry Series)Piotr Gwiazda, Messages > (Pond Road Press)Nathalie Handal,?Poet in Andaluc?a > (Pitt)Alan King, Drift > (Willow Books)Alicia Ostriker, The Book of Life: Selected > Jewish Poems, 1979-2011 (Pitt Poetry Series)Joseph Ross, > Meeting Bone Man (Main Street Rag)Tim Seibles, Fast Animal > (Etruscan Press)Patricia Smith, Shoulda Been Jimi Savannah > (Coffee House Press)Pamela Uschuk, Wild in the Plaza of > Memory (W > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:25:08 -0500 > From: "bob grumman" > To: "NewPoetry List" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Recommended > Message-ID: <0D9146DF2B41497295C7A3087DCBE422 at BobHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > ? ? ? for the record, I don't endorse (as if > that matters) any of the choices. But it's good to know that > there are organizations that encourage poetry ... of any > kind.? > > > I?m not sure. > > 1. what good is such a long list of titles, each with a > blurb? > > 2. as usual, I must decry the narrowness (okay, seeming > narrowness) of the portion of the contemporary poetry > continuum presented?as though no other kind exists. > > 3. would an organization devoted to discouraging bad poetry > really be all that bad a thing? > > 4. how about an organization encouraging poetry > criticism?? I continue to claim more and better > criticism is current poetry?s greatest need. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Recommended > Message-ID: > ??? <1324613534.33461.YahooMailClassic at web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 3 & 4 ... very much ... & I can't argue with the > need for better criticism. Especially since I agree. But > good critics are rare. > > ... the long ... list of titles ... Split the Rock, I'm > almost certain, is hooked up with Busboys & Poets, a > local D.C. establishment. They're promoting the books they > have in stock. > > --- On Thu, 12/22/11, bob grumman > wrote: > > From: bob grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Recommended > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 4:25 PM > > > > > ? > > > ? > ? > ? > > > > ? > ? > ? ? for the record, I don't endorse (as if that > matters) any of > ? ? ? the choices. But it's good to know > that there are organizations that > ? ? ? encourage poetry ... of any kind. > ? > I?m not sure. > ? > 1. what good is such a long list of titles, each with a > blurb? > ? > 2. as usual, I must decry the narrowness (okay, seeming > narrowness) of the portion of the contemporary poetry > continuum presented?as > though no other kind exists. > ? > 3. would an organization devoted to discouraging > bad poetry really be all that bad a thing? > ? > 4. how about an organization encouraging poetry > criticism?? I continue to claim more and better criticism > is current > poetry?s greatest need. > ? > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 17, Issue 36 > ****************************************** > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 02:12:47 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:12:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Flying above the critical apparati In-Reply-To: <1324662551.24468.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1324662551.24468.YahooMailClassic@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations, David. You are on my list! On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM, David Baratier wrote: > Published 8 collections this year, a bit over 5000 books > probably a quarter of these are gone > and not a single collection of ours on a favorites list. > > Yea! > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > Facebook Page > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts > > > -- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 12:32:55 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:32:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Merry Christmas! Especially for David Graham.... Message-ID: ** * * http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/pdShell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imgag.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3173936/graphic1 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Proulx,?Michael Rowe,?Willa Schneberg,?Doug Schroeder,?Aftab Yusuf Shaikh,?Anne Shigley,?Shelby Stephenson,?Marc Thompson?and?Judith Williams Barefoot Review -?http://www.barefootreview.org/winter2011.html Happy Holidays! --? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery (?http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 17:15:22 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:15:22 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] On Kafka Message-ID: *On Kafka* Those of us seeking the truth find we must always dissemble. We navigate our way to the right office or to the headquarters itself by way of many detours, many encounters with strangers who seem to want to help us but may in fact not want to. Maps are out of date and of not much use because the roads and alleys we access are always being torn up and reconstructed. We even find great gaps in the walls that had been intended to protect us from invaders from the north, from the south, from in fact any direction at all. And doors that once stood open to us are closed, their guardians no longer allowing us to enter. Outside, it is foggy and dark, and it seems like years since we have even seen the light of the sun, heard the splashing of water in what were once the most glorious fountains to be seen and heard anywhere in the known world. Priests and judges and doctors we once trusted with our souls, our liberties and our lives now stood arrayed against us, full of anger at . . . well, who knows what? The walls constructed to keep us safe seem now intended to keep us in. The tools of our trades, now turned against us, bury themselves in our flesh, our guts, our bones, writing the truth of their truth in the dark, secret places where only others can read. The clattering apparatus drowns our thoughts in a racket of its own; the tunnels by which we hoped to escape serve only to admit our tormenters. Confined in cells that barely allow us to stand, we call out to any who might be near. Our names reduced to single letters, and yet we now eagerly share them. Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Sun Dec 25 10:35:33 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:35:33 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: <841850.47912.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net><207790.98049.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><10447.97928.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CDD66375730FB7-2C78-20B18@webmail-d, 140.sysops.aol.com><4DBDF420.8070304@nut-n-but.net><929009.62179.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4DBE0C57.6090404@nut-n-but.net, ><522278.53940.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4DBECA0B.2080408@nut-n-but.net><257044.29262.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4DB, ED430.70103@nut-n-but.net>, <205359.51945.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4DBEF8E9.4090000@nut-n-but.net>, <841850.47912.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Quote your purported citations. You wave your fingernail in the air pointing at a monstrous act in the court of PC. You impute motivations but the only motivations I see are your own. Bring the crime. As of this moment you libel Bob. Let's get down to some facts here, Ms. Mindreader. The tone in your analysis makes it invective not the reasoned judgement of a sage. Merry Christmas. Good cheer to all on the Donne Plantation.Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:17:19 -0700 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog Oh sorry. I'm referring to the time that Bob insisted on "reclaiming" the use of a dialect-not-his-own and racial slurs, and then insisted on reclaiming them, over and over very loudly on this very publicly archived listserv, despite protests from members of this listserv community that what he was doing ranged from problematic to unconscionable. You see, Bob was only practicing his "ideas" so that he could assert his freedom of speech, which of course trumps the effects his language have on anyone else. His purpose was far more important than who he might hurt by aping language he was trying to reclaim while he clearly and expertly understood how the dialect he was "practicing" evolved and what conditions it was borne from. Bob even has some astute ideas that will get him around the "Don't yell fire in a crowded theater" rule! Ideas over the masses, folks! ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog On 5/2/2011 11:27 AM, Alexander Dickow wrote: Bob, Ah, I see. I think my oozing thesis is starting to go to my head (due date: May 28th). Along with other things. But what racist epithet is Amy referring to?? I don't care for the sound of that. Was offlist for that part...You got me. But I'm sure at some put in my posting I've defended freedom of speech, even for the casting of racist epithets. She may be referring to that. She really isn't very good at representing others, though. For instance, early on in her tirade against me, she says, "In other words, Bob speaks more truth than the rest of us, who are more inclined to seek some affirmation from others." Read what I say and you'll see it's not about speaking truth but about being concerned with truth (or ideas) more than with people's feelings, nor does it suggest I'm against seeking "some affirmation from others." It's a statement of a pretty simple idea, that some people are more idea people than people people, and I'm one of them. Beware, you may be one, too. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to take me as well as you seem to. Which I do appreciate. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mr. Problematic to Unconscionable. From: R Dillon Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:35 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog Quote your purported citations. You wave your fingernail in the air pointing at a monstrous act in the court of PC. You impute motivations but the only motivations I see are your own. Bring the crime. As of this moment you libel Bob. Let's get down to some facts here, Ms. Mindreader. The tone in your analysis makes it invective not the reasoned judgement of a sage. Merry Christmas. Good cheer to all on the Donne Plantation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:17:19 -0700 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog Oh sorry. I'm referring to the time that Bob insisted on "reclaiming" the use of a dialect-not-his-own and racial slurs, and then insisted on reclaiming them, over and over very loudly on this very publicly archived listserv, despite protests from members of this listserv community that what he was doing ranged from problematic to unconscionable. You see, Bob was only practicing his "ideas" so that he could assert his freedom of speech, which of course trumps the effects his language have on anyone else. His purpose was far more important than who he might hurt by aping language he was trying to reclaim while he clearly and expertly understood how the dialect he was "practicing" evolved and what conditions it was borne from. Bob even has some astute ideas that will get him around the "Don't yell fire in a crowded theater" rule! Ideas over the masses, folks! ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog On 5/2/2011 11:27 AM, Alexander Dickow wrote: Bob, Ah, I see. I think my oozing thesis is starting to go to my head (due date: May 28th). Along with other things. But what racist epithet is Amy referring to?? I don't care for the sound of that. Was offlist for that part... You got me. But I'm sure at some put in my posting I've defended freedom of speech, even for the casting of racist epithets. She may be referring to that. She really isn't very good at representing others, though. For instance, early on in her tirade against me, she says, "In other words, Bob speaks more truth than the rest of us, who are more inclined to seek some affirmation from others." Read what I say and you'll see it's not about speaking truth but about being concerned with truth (or ideas) more than with people's feelings, nor does it suggest I'm against seeking "some affirmation from others." It's a statement of a pretty simple idea, that some people are more idea people than people people, and I'm one of them. Beware, you may be one, too. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to take me as well as you seem to. Which I do appreciate. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wwmorgan at ilstu.edu Sun Dec 25 13:34:44 2011 From: wwmorgan at ilstu.edu (Bill Morgan) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:34:44 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Christmas Poem Message-ID: <016901ccc333$e059c630$a10d5290$@ilstu.edu> Christmas Morning 2011 Downstairs to coffee, newspaper, and a screen full of unopened emails. A chilly goldfinch picks at the nearly-empty feeder; the neighbors' Santa lies face down in the snow. On the news, terrorists have bombed a church in Nigeria, killing twenty-five. Welcome, Child. So much to be set right. (12-25-11) --Bill Morgan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 14:19:12 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:19:12 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Christmas Poem In-Reply-To: <016901ccc333$e059c630$a10d5290$@ilstu.edu> References: <016901ccc333$e059c630$a10d5290$@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: Yes, the news.... problems. On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Bill Morgan wrote: > *Christmas Morning 2011* > > ** ** > > Downstairs to coffee, newspaper, and **** > > a screen full of unopened emails.**** > > ** ** > > A chilly goldfinch picks at the nearly-empty feeder;**** > > the neighbors? Santa lies face down in the snow.**** > > ** ** > > On the news, terrorists have bombed **** > > a church in Nigeria, killing twenty-five.**** > > ** ** > > Welcome, Child. So much to be set right.**** > > ** ** > > (12-25-11)**** > > ** ** > > --Bill Morgan**** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:58 PM, wrote: > > From: Wesleyan Press > Subject: Silence, by John Cage / 50th Anniversary Edition > > *We are pleased to announce a special 50th Anniversary edition of > Silence, by John Cage -- the book that revolutionized our understanding > of how we make and experience art.* *** > * > [image: Cage - Silence for catalog R-72-3.jpg] > *Silence*, John Cage?s first book and epic masterpiece, was published > in October 1961. In these lectures, scores, and writings, Cage tries, as he > says, to find a way of writing that comes from ideas, is not about them, > but that produces them. Often these writings include mesostics and essays > created by subjecting the work of other writers to chance procedures using > the I Ching. Fifty years later comes a beautiful new edition with a > foreword by eminent music critic Kyle Gann. A landmark book in American > arts and culture, *Silence* has been translated into more than forty > languages and has sold over half a million copies worldwide. Wesleyan > University Press is proud to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the > book?s publication with this special hardcover edition. > > For more details, click here . > > Also available as an ebook -- check with your favorite ebook retailer. > Click hereto forward this e-mail to a friend! > **ORDERING DETAILS: > SAVE 30% on print editions when you order from the above web site and use > discount code W301 -- use the "details" link above. Or order through your > favorite bookseller, or by calling University Press of New England at > 1-800-421-1561 (or 603-448-1533, x255 or x256). US Shipping charges are > $5.00 for the first book and $1.25 for each additional. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > It might be personal, but it seems to me that those were years when it was > still possible to create something new, valid, stable, something called > Art. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:58 PM, wrote: > >> >> From: Wesleyan Press >> Subject: Silence, by John Cage / 50th Anniversary Edition >> >> *We are pleased to announce a special 50th Anniversary edition of >> Silence, by John Cage -- the book that revolutionized our understanding >> of how we make and experience art.* *** >> * >> [image: Cage - Silence for catalog R-72-3.jpg] >> *Silence*, John Cage?s first book and epic masterpiece, was published >> in October 1961. In these lectures, scores, and writings, Cage tries, as he >> says, to find a way of writing that comes from ideas, is not about them, >> but that produces them. Often these writings include mesostics and essays >> created by subjecting the work of other writers to chance procedures using >> the I Ching. Fifty years later comes a beautiful new edition with a >> foreword by eminent music critic Kyle Gann. A landmark book in American >> arts and culture, *Silence* has been translated into more than forty >> languages and has sold over half a million copies worldwide. 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 15:41:09 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:41:09 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Mahler, Sym. 7 (Cleveland/Boulez) Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 04:18:11 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:18:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Book of Books: What Literature Owes the Bible By MARILYNNE ROBINSON Message-ID: In fact these great texts resemble Socratic dialogues in that each venture presupposes that meaning can indeed be addressed within the constraints of the form and in its language, while the meaning to be discovered through this argument cannot be presupposed. Like paintings, they render meaning as beauty. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/books/review/the-book-of-books-what-literature-owes-the-bible.html?pagewanted=1 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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That > means they are quotable and can make a love letter you write or a marriage > proposal you say unforgettable. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:48:33 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Navidad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325004513.56901.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> What a find! A true treasure. Thanks, Anny. --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] Navidad To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 2:14 AM One of the best depictions of John the Evangelist is by Guido Reni (c. 1575-1642), saint commemorated today, the young man reading the book. In the Nativity's spirit I am forwarding a link to an incredible site (Wiki Paintings) I just found: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/search/saint%20john%20the%20evangelist%20guido%20reni/2#supersized-search-232264 with a precious painting, the Annunciation: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/guido-reni/saint-luke-1621#supersized-artistPaintings-232182 and finally, Guido Reni's page: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/guido-reni/ the main index: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/alphabet for you to choose your favorite artists. Best wishes, Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:48:28 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:48:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Navidad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325004508.35287.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> What a find! A true treasure. Thanks, Anny. --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] Navidad To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 2:14 AM One of the best depictions of John the Evangelist is by Guido Reni (c. 1575-1642), saint commemorated today, the young man reading the book. In the Nativity's spirit I am forwarding a link to an incredible site (Wiki Paintings) I just found: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/search/saint%20john%20the%20evangelist%20guido%20reni/2#supersized-search-232264 with a precious painting, the Annunciation: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/guido-reni/saint-luke-1621#supersized-artistPaintings-232182 and finally, Guido Reni's page: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/guido-reni/ the main index: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/alphabet for you to choose your favorite artists. Best wishes, Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 12:24:31 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:24:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Dutilleux, Ainsi la nuit (Belcea Quartet) Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 15:52:18 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:52:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers In-Reply-To: <1325191144.31659.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325191144.31659.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Love those lines redacted in black. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > correction: > sedimental > > --- On *Thu, 12/29/11, stephen russell *wrote: > > > From: stephen russell > Subject: 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 15:54:15 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325192055.74306.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ?... that's the lyrical part. --- On Thu, 12/29/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 3:52 PM Love those lines redacted in black. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:04:14 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers In-Reply-To: <1325192055.74306.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325192055.74306.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's surprising. Usually I don't go for the lyrical bits. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, stephen russell < poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com> wrote: > ... that's the lyrical part. > > --- On *Thu, 12/29/11, Halvard Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 3:52 PM > > > Love those lines redacted in black. > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > > Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ > > Remains To Be Seen *, Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains > To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets > from the Basque & Other Poems > *, *Mainly Black , *Obras > P?blicas ; **The Perfection > of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets > ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones > ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory > of Harmony > ; **Rapsodie espagnole > ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway > ; **The Sonnet Project > ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter > Journey ; **Eclipse > ; **The Dance of 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URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 16:30:08 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:30:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Roundup Redux + Poetry Project New Year's Day Marathon Reading @ St. Mark's Church Message-ID: <1325194208.16512.YahooMailNeo@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> PEN American Poetry Roundup Redux - HERE: ? http://www.pen.org/blog/?p=7323??? Enjoy! + Poetry Project New Year's Day Marathon Reading @ St. Mark's Church ? Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:00 pm There are three things to consider when the New Year?s Day Poetry Marathon sweeps you into its gracefully uncouth embrace ? what it is, what it was, and who you will be when it?s over. An untamed gathering of the heart?s secret, wild nobility ? over 140 poets together revealing not just that a better life could exist, but that it already does, sexy and wise, rancorous and sweet, big hearted and mad as hell. An avenging engine of resistance and eager vehicle of the nascent year. The Marathon measures its success through insurrectionist reframings of the universe, an in-it-together courage that crafts a community out of the riot of lineages and traditions we all emerge from. This collective effort also helps fund as many as 85 additional events every year ? not to mention The Poetry Project Newsletter, The Recluse and legendary workshops. It?s our largest fundraiser of the year, and arguably the most inspired ongoing literary event in the city. Read more about ?the Marathon? here. The 38th Annual New Year?s Day Marathon Benefit will feature over 140 Poets & Performers: Ace Mcnamara, Alan Licht with Angela Jaeger, Alex Dimitrov, Amy King, Ana Bo?i?evi?, Anne Tardos, Anne Waldman with Ambrose Bye & Daniel Carter, Anselm Berrigan, Ariana Reines, Arthur?s Landing, Barry Denny, Basil King, Betsy Fagin, Bill Kushner, Billy Lamont, Bob Hershon, Bob Rosenthal, Brenda Coultas, Brendan Lorber, Brett Price, Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Bryn Kelly, CAConrad, Charles Bernstein, Christine Elmo, Christopher Stackhouse, Church of Betty, Corina Copp, Corrine Fitzpatrick, Daniel Kent, David Freeman, David Henderson, David Shapiro, David St. Lascaux, Denize Lauture, Dgls. Rothschild, Don Yorty, Donna Brook, Dorothea Lasky, Douglas Dunn, Douglas Piccinnini, Drew Gardner, Dustin Williamson, Edgar Oliver, Ed Friedman, Edmund Berrigan, Eileen Myles, Elinor Nauen, Elizabeth Devlin, Elliott Sharp, Emily XYZ, Erica Kaufman, Erica Hunt & Marty Ehrlich, Erin Morrill, Evan Kennedy, Evelyn Reilly, Filip Marinovich, Foamola, Frank Sherlock, Franklin Bruno, Genya Turovskaya, Gillian McCain, Greg Fuchs, James Marshall, Janet Hamill, Jess Fiorni, Jim Behrle, Joe Elliot, Joe Ranono, John Coletti, John Giorno, John S. Hall, Jonas Mekas, Josef Kaplan, Judah Rubin, Judith Malina, Karen Weiser, Kathleen Miller, Katie Degentesh, Ken Chen, Ken Walker, Kenny Goldsmith, Kimberly Lyons, LaTasha N. Nevada Diggs, Lee Ranaldo, Lenny Kaye, Leopoldine Core, Lonely Christopher, Macgregor Card, Maggie Dubris, Marcella Durand, Mariana Ruiz Firmat, Mark Nowak, Martha King, Matthew Abuelo, Miguel Gutierrez, Mitch Highfill,?M?nica de la Torre, Nada Gordon, Nathaniel Siegel, Nick Hallett, Nicole Peyrafitte, Pamela Sneed, Patricia Spears Jones, Patti Smith, Paul Mills (Poez), Paul Legault, Penny Arcade, Peter Gizzi, Pierre Joris, Reuben Butchart, Rickey Laurentiis, Robert Ashley, Secret Orchestra with Joanna Penn Cooper & J. Hope Stein, Shafer Hall, Simone White, Sinan Antoon, Stephanie Gray, Steve Dalachinsky, Steve Earle, Steven Taylor, Susan Landers, Susie Timmons, Suzanne Vega, Taylor Mead, Ted Dodson, Thurston Moore, Todd Colby, Tom Carey, Tom Savage, Tony Towle, Tracey McTague, Tyler Burba, Valery Oisteanu, Wayne Koestenbaum, Will Edmiston, Will Yackulic, Yoshiko Chuma, Youmna Chlala, Yuko Otomo, Yvonne Meier with Aki Sasamoto, Nicole Wallace, Arlo Quint and Stacy Szymaszek. Admission: $20, $15 for students and seniors, and $10 for Poetry Project members.? http://poetryproject.org/program-calendar/38th-annual-new-years-day-marathon-benefit-reading.html ? "Amy King?s poems seem to encompass all that we think of as the 'natural' world ..." ???????????????? --John Ashbery ( http://www.litmuspress.org/iwanttomakeyousafe.html ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Dec 29 16:43:49 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:43:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers In-Reply-To: <1325191320.42930.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325191320.42930.YahooMailClassic@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <980E2F8EA8FC412B88A809EEC39DCF9B@BobHP> Why so sarcastic about baseball, Stephen? --Bob From: stephen russell Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers correction: sedimental --- On Thu, 12/29/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 3:36 PM i've memorized this ... it's a little sendimental -- Text /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsL DBkSEw8UHRofHh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/ 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 19:08:23 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325203703.71238.YahooMailClassic@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I don't either, but the holidays have a way of getting to me. --- On Thu, 12/29/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 4:04 PM That's surprising. Usually I don't go for the lyrical bits. ?? ? Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttps://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, stephen russell wrote: ?... that's the lyrical part. --- On Thu, 12/29/11, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: tears & whispers To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 3:52 PM Love those lines redacted in black. ?? ? 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck:?https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II),?Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III),?Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems,?Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets;?Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony;?Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project;?G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan;?Transparencies & Projections On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM, stephen russell wrote: correction: sedimental --- On Thu, 12/29/11, stephen russell wrote: From: stephen russell Subject: tears & whispers To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 3:36 PM i've memorized this ... it's a little sendimental -- ? 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 21:38:04 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers In-Reply-To: <980E2F8EA8FC412B88A809EEC39DCF9B@BobHP> Message-ID: <1325212684.72386.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've never had so much as a sarcastic thought about baseball, Bob. --- On Thu, 12/29/11, bob grumman wrote: From: bob grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 4:43 PM Why so sarcastic about baseball, Stephen? ? --Bob ? 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URL: From editor at pavementsaw.org Fri Dec 30 00:30:06 2011 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Final Call: Pavement Saw Chapbook deadline Sat 12/31 Message-ID: <1325223006.22516.YahooMailClassic@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Pavement Saw Chapbook Contest: Postmark Deadline 12/31 (or midnight PCT for electronic submissions) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Submit electronically, save the hassle of printing out a manuscript and have your funds support poetry not the post office! Directly enter by using our website http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm $500 and 50 copies of the winning chapbook will be awarded to the winner. In addition to the prize winner, at least one other manuscript will be published under a standard royalty contract (author paid 10% of press run). Everyone is allowed to submit regardless of previous publication history. Every entrant will receive the equivalent cost of the entry fee in Pavement Saw Press titles. Unlike many publishers whose collections are printed one copy at a time and therefore lack a large circulation, our chapbooks are published in a first edition of 400 copies plus overage. While chapbooks rarely receive exposure, ours have been reviewed in Poets and Writers, Publishers Weekly, The Georgia Review, Small Press Review and many others. Our previous winners have had subsequent full length books appear from a bevy of publishers including Ahsahta Press, Curbstone Press, Cleveland State University Press, Birds llc, Bear Star Press, BlazeVOX, Shearsman Books, Futurepoem Books, University of Georgia, Tupelo Press, Hanging Loose Press and so on. Submit up to 32 pages of poetry. Include a signed cover letter with your name, address, phone number, e-mail, publication credits, a brief biography and the title of the chapbook. Include a cover page with your contact information and the chapbook title. Include a second page with the chapbook title only. Do not include your name on any pages inside the manuscript except for the first title page. No need for a contents page. All chapbooks are selected blindly / anonymously. Manuscripts will be considered until December 31st, 2011. Entry fee: $15 for US entries, $18 overseas, $21 electronic (world wide). If you wish to submit electronically, send $21.00 via paypal to info at pavementsaw.org. Then e-mail the manuscript as an attachment to the same address and we will send you an e-mail confirmation that your entry is all set. Electronic submissions need to be sent as PDF files or as word (.doc or .docx) files. Other formats are not accepted. The extra cost is to cover the paypal fees as well as the time, labor, ink, and so on, to print out your manuscript. 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Previous Winners Anne Bauer, Fine Absence j/j hastain, extant shamanisms Martin Arnold, A Million Distant Glittering Catastrophes Brian Teare, > Noah Eli Gordon, Acoustic Experience Susan Terris, Marriage License Dan Boehl, Work Joshua Corey, Compostition Marble Knute Skinner, The Other Shoe Lisa Samuels, War Holdings F. J. Bergmann, Sauce Robert John Bradley, Add Musk Here Amy King, The People Instruments Will Nixon, The Fish are Laughing Shelley Stenhouse, Pants David Brooks, Right Livelihood Douglas Goetsch, Wherever You Want Joshua Mc Kinney, Permutations of the Gallery Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Contest 321 Empire Street Montpelier, OH 43543 http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25857379734&ref=ts From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Dec 30 08:41:40 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (bob grumman) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:41:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] tears & whispers In-Reply-To: <1325212684.72386.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325212684.72386.YahooMailClassic@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've never had so much as a sarcastic thought about baseball, Bob. 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This time next year, I don't want us to have any Regrets. I want to be able to say we rose to the task, and got it done. We've all got some work to do right now. Over the next 11 months we've got an organization to grow, voters to register, and people to get fired up. I hope you'll close out this year by donating Millions or more Nownow to help make sure we're ready for the next one: https://donate.barackobama.com/No-Regrets Thank you so much, and happy new year, Michelle P.S. -- Also, when you donate today, you are automatically entered for a chance to be one of three supporters to have dinner with Barack and me. enhanced by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 11:13:01 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:13:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Listening 2 Message-ID: :: Listening 2: Dutilleux, Piano Sonata (Robert Levin) Serving the tri-state area. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Dec 30 18:28:01 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:28:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Sonia Sanchez is PL of Philly Message-ID: <8CE9561CE97BE89-E24-532DE@webmail-d169.sysops.aol.com> http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-28/news/30565532_1_poet-laureate-sonia-sanchez-mayor-nutter For years, people have called her the "unofficial poet laureate of Philadelphia." Now it's official. Sonia Sanchez, 77, poet, teacher, mentor, activist, and revered Philadelphian, will be named the city's first poet laureate by Mayor Nutter in an 11 a.m. ceremony Thursday at City Hall. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 11:30:23 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:30:23 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sonnet for the New Year Message-ID: *Sonnet for the New Year* Pleistocene campfires flickering in the distance, deeply rooted slogans chat it up with money barons. Medical malpractice suits us just fine, thank you very much. For instance, well-delivered apologies salve all wounds. Partial reconciliations break step when crossing a bridge, miraculous transformations no longer expected or offered. Higher disease rates unrelated to education or health costs speak volumes to our well-tuned ears. Biology urges us to seek out music in the company of other people. Yahweh and other loud cellphone talkers gather to break bread to- gether, airwaves atremble with salutations, with greetings. On everyone?s lips, prospects for reelection, for theatrical productions that do not close in a month or less. And soon, all spats aside, someone texts us a toast, and all follow suit. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com Truck: https://plus.google.com/106252913724243142175 http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/ Remains To Be Seen *, Remains To Be Seen (Vol. II) ,** Remains To Be Seen (Vol. III) , *Sonnets from the Basque & Other Poems *, *Mainly Black , *Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ; **Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; **Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; **G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; **Transparencies & Projections * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 12:32:56 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] 2012 Message-ID: <1325352776.72142.YahooMailClassic@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> For all writers, culture lovers and hostory freaks... all the best for 2012!!!! Looking forward to living through the end of the world yet again on my next borthday (December 22nd... Ill be expecting a card!!!). Hope to share culture, poetry, history and joy with all in 2012!!! OK, so being the party pooper, Im now off to shower shave and sh...... eh, get ready for work. Am on A/E tonight, to deal with all the drunks who are enjoying the parties Im missing!!! Such is life!!! Tom?s ? 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