From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 00:43:46 2011 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:43:46 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] POETS ON ADOPTION--Inaugural Issue In-Reply-To: References: <397e4.54135bd6.3ac6b137@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Eileen thanks one and all, and trusts you will continue to assist!!! > > > *PRESS RELEASE & ANNOUNCEMENT: "POETS ON ADOPTION"* > *[Please feel free to forward]* > For more info: GalateaTen at aol.com > > > *POETS ON ADOPTION* > > Poetry: it inevitably relates to -- among others -- identity, history, > culture, class, race, community, economics, politics, power, loss, health, > desire, regret, language, form and genre disruption, love ... as well as the > absences thereofs. > > The same may be said about Adoption. > > You are invited to visit POETS ON ADOPTION ( > http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com) to see how poets with adoption > experiences mine the intersections of poetry and adoption. Their varied > experiences, meditations and poems powerfully bring forth an *urgent* poetics > in an educational context. > > POETS ON ADOPTION will be updated over time as more poets send in their > contributions. You are invited to peruse and spread the word about the > blog's Call for Participation at > http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com/2011/03/call-for-participation.html . > > > The inaugural issue presents the following poets below on adoption. We hope > this site engages you, and welcome your comments, > > Eileen R. Tabios > Curator, Poets on Adoption > > ***** > > *POETS ON ADOPTION* > *as of March 31, 2011, features* > > *Ned Balbo* March > 2011 > *(placed as a baby with his birth mother's sister and raised as her son)* > > *Nick Carbo* March > 2011 > *(in the Philippines, was adopted as an infant. later, his parents adopted > his biological younger sister)* > > *Dana Collins* March > 2011 > *(was adopted as a baby from Korea by U.S.-American parents. sister to > adopted brother)* > > *Marcella Durand* March > 2011 > *(adopted an infant domestically within U.S.)* > > *Lee Herrick > * March 2011 > *(was adopted as a baby from Korea by U.S.-American parents. brother to > adopted sister. as a parent, adopted baby from China)* > > *Natalie Knight* March > 2011 > *(was adopted as an infant domestically in U.S. became sister at age > five to adopted brother)* > > *Michele Leavitt* March > 2011 > *(was adopted as an infant domestically in the U.S.)* > > *Amanda Mason > * March 2011 > *(in process of adopting 11-year-old boy from Colombia)* > > *Sharon Mesmer > * March 2011 > *(sister to adopted sibling)* > > *Allison Moreno* March > 2011 > *(was adopted as a baby domestically in the U.S. sister to two adopted > brothers)* > > *Christina Pacosz* March > 2011 > *(gave up infant daughter for adoption)* > > *Judith Roitman* March > 2011 > *(was half-adopted. adopted two baby boys, of which the one survivor is > now 30 years old. relatives also adopted)* > > *Susan M. Schultz* March > 2011 > *(adopted 12-month-old boy (now 11 years old) from Cambodia and 3-year-old > girl (now 9 years old) from Nepal. husband and a number of other relatives > were adopted)* > > *Michael D Snediker* March > 2011 > *(brother to a sister adopted as an infant from Korea. became close to > someone who adopted a son from Vietnam)* > > *Rosemary Starace* March > 2011 > *(was adopted as a baby domestically within the U.S. three years later > became sister to adopted brother)* > > *Eileen R. Tabios* March > 2011 > *(adopted a 13-year-old boy (now 15) from Colombia. in process of new > adoption process for a 12-year-old girl also from Colombia)* > > *Craig Watson* March > 2011 > *(adopted 1-year-old girl from Ecuador)* > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For the first time, the rich colours and textures of Lerro s verse are available in English. This volume presents the power of the poet's voice in all its aching magnificence and demonstrates how it represents the sounds and rhythms of a new generation. Best wishes, Andrew Mangham From halvard at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 19:37:00 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Truck -- on the road in April Message-ID: It's April, and *Truck* is on the road with Kate Schapira at the wheel. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 10:20:11 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Collection by Menotti Lerro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608223.20291.qm@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've been looking for someone to replace Montale. Maybe Lerro. I forget his name, but the son of poet Van K. Brock is the new translator of Calvino and Umberto Ecco, taking over the job W Weaver once held. ________________________________ From: "a.s.mangham at reading.ac.uk" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Cc: menottilerro at libero.it Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:11:48 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Collection by Menotti Lerro Dear List Members, I am happy to announce the recent publication of a selection of poems by Italian poet Menotti Lerro: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Poetry-Menotti-Lerro-Andrew-Mangham/dp/1443828440/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1301695854&sr=8-4 Menotti Lerro is one of the most interesting poets of modern-day Europe. Born in a small village just outside of Salerno, Southern Italy, in 1980, he has produced an impressive range of publications, including essays, poetry, fiction, autobiography, and drama. His is a poetry concerned with powerful imagery, the physicality and vulnerability of the body, the meaning of objects, the interpretation of memories, and the philosophical importance of identity. For the first time, the rich colours and textures of Lerro s verse are available in English. This volume presents the power of the poet's voice in all its aching magnificence and demonstrates how it represents the sounds and rhythms of a new generation. Best wishes, Andrew Mangham _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Martinez 4/8 Mark Bibbins 4/9 Jenn Knox 4/10 Randall Mann 4/11 CAConrad 4/12 Ada Limon 4/13 Graham Foust 4/14 Evie Shockley 4/15 Jen Bervin 4/16 Ken Chen 4/17 Sherwin Bitsui 4/18 Noah Eli Gordon 4/19 Ronaldo Wilson 4/20 Nate Pritts ??? 4/21 Danielle Pafunda 4/22 Amy King 4/23 Ching-in Chen 4/24 John Gallaher 4/25 Srikanth Reddy 4/26 Jericho Brown 4/27 Gabrielle Calvocoressi 4/28 Kazim Ali 4/29 Lyrae Van Clief-Stefanon 4/30 Dorothea Lasky In April, the Academy of American Poets will launch a month-long series of guest poets featured on its streaming Twitter feed. Throughout each day during National Poetry Month, a selected poet will have 24 hours to post his or her daily insights before passing the baton. Users are invited to follow the Academy of American Poets on Twitter to keep up-to-date on the latest poetry posts online at: http://twitter.com/POETSorg ? ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Sun Apr 3 09:38:35 2011 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:38:35 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?e=B7ratio_editions_is_celebrating_NPM?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_with_Beginning_to_En__d_by_Alan_Halsey?= Message-ID: <7399a019309b739f38d29926d6414d57.squirrel@webmail4.web.com> e? e?ratio editions is celebrating national poetry month with Beginning to End by Alan Halsey Beginning to End and other alphabet poems by Alan Halsey. Poems and poetic sequences. With art by Alan Halsey. Alan Halsey is the author of Marginalien and Lives of the Poets (both Five Seasons Press), Not Everything Remotely ? Selected Poems 1978-2004 (Salt) and Term as in Aftermath (Ahadada). http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/eratioeditions.html read the Alan Halsey interview: http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/editor_Alan_Halsey.html also available from e?ratio editions: #11. Paul de Man and the Cornell Demaniacs by Jack Foley. Essay, recollection. ?I studied with de Man in the early 1960s at Cornell University. The de Man of that time was different from the de Man you are aware of. . . . Despite his interest in Heidegger, the central issue for the de Man of this period was ?inwardness? ? what he called, citing Rousseau, ?conscience de soi,? self consciousness.? #10. The Galloping Man and five other poems by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino. ? . . . how does / a body know, here is a hand, and here, is a sentence / or, / what?s riding on hearts . . . ? http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/eratioeditions.html .pdf (free) e? From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 12:16:34 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:16:34 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jerome Rothenberg's midwest trip for talks & readings Message-ID: On this Tuesday, April 5, Diane Rothenberg and I are taking off for a nearly two-week reading and talking trip in the midwest (Michigan, Ohio, and Kentucky). We can be reached throughout at this email address (jrothenberg at cox.net) or at either of our cell phone numbers: 760-415-9889 or 760-415-1430. For those who may be in the vicinity, the schedule of appearances follows: *April 6, 7:30 p.m*.: Reading, Woodward Line Poetry Series, Scarab Club, 217 Farnsworth Street, Detroit. *April 7, 7:00 p.m.* Reading, The Gwenn Frostic Reading Series (Western Michigan University) & Kalamazoo College, K College Chapel, Kalamazoo. *April 8, 6:00 p.m*.: Talk & reading , ?Toward a Global Poetry,? Baker Nord Center, Clark Hall Room 309, Case Western Reserve University, 11130 Bellflower Road, Cleveland. *April 11, 7:30 p.m*.: Reading, Peirce Lounge, Kenyon College, Gambier, Ohio.* * *April 12, 5:30 p.m*.: Talk, ?The Anthology as Collage & Manifesto?; *7:30 p.m:* Reading, Miami University of Ohio, 501 East High Street, Oxford, Ohio. *April 13, 7:30 p.m*.: Reading, Xavier University and Hebrew Union College, at Conaton Board Room, 2nd floor, Schmidt Hall, Xavier University, Cincinnati, Ohio. *April 14, 7:30 p.m*.: Reading, Bingham Poetry Room, Ekstrom Library, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky. *April 15, 7:00 p.m*.: Reading & talk, ?The Practice of Othering as Translation and Composition,? Copper Colored Mountain Arts, 7101 Liberty Street, Ann Arbor. Return date to San Diego is April 17, after which we?re at home until a visit to Spain in early May, courtesy of the Barcelona International Poetry Festival -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 12:18:47 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:18:47 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forwarded by Christina Pacosz: Poets on Adoption - new blog Message-ID: *Dear All - As it turns out I happen to be the only birth mother poet writing about adoption but maybe other poets with similar stories will join in this new venture curated by Eileen R.Tabios. Please comment on blog if you are so inclined. Christina Pacosz* ** ** *PRESS RELEASE & ANNOUNCEMENT: "POETS ON ADOPTION"* *[Please feel free to forward]* For more info: GalateaTen at aol.com *POETS ON ADOPTION* Poetry: it inevitably relates to -- among others -- identity, history, culture, class, race, community, economics, politics, power, loss, health, desire, regret, language, form and genre disruption, love ... as well as the absences thereofs. The same may be said about Adoption. You are invited to visit POETS ON ADOPTION ( http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com) to see how poets with adoption experiences mine the intersections of poetry and adoption. Their varied experiences, meditations and poems powerfully bring forth a truly *urgent* poetics in an educational context. POETS ON ADOPTION will be updated over time as more poets send in their contributions. You are invited to peruse and spread the word about the blog's Call for Participation at http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com/2011/03/call-for-participation.html . The inaugural issue presents the following poets below on adoption. We hope this site engages you, and welcome your comments, Eileen R. Tabios Curator, Poets on Adoption ***** *POETS ON ADOPTION* *as of March 31, 2011, features* *Ned Balbo* March 2011 *(placed as a baby with his birth mother's sister and raised as her son)* *Nick Carbo* March 2011 *(in the Philippines, was adopted as an infant. later, his parents adopted his biological younger sister)* *Dana Collins* March 2011 *(was adopted as a baby from Korea by U.S.-American parents. sister to adopted brother)* *Marcella Durand* March 2011 *(adopted an infant domestically within U.S.)* *Lee Herrick* March 2011 *(was adopted as a baby from Korea by U.S.-American parents. brother to adopted sister. as a parent, adopted baby from China)* *Natalie Knight* March 2011 *(was adopted as an infant domestically in U.S. became sister at age five to adopted brother)* *Michele Leavitt* March 2011 *(was adopted as an infant domestically in the U.S.)* *Amanda Mason* March 2011 *(in process of adopting 11-year-old boy from Colombia)* *Sharon Mesmer* March 2011 *(sister to adopted sibling)* *Allison Moreno* March 2011 *(was adopted as a baby domestically in the U.S. sister to two adopted brothers)* *Christina Pacosz* March 2011 *(gave up infant daughter for adoption)* *Judith Roitman* March 2011 *(was half-adopted. adopted two baby boys, of which the one survivor is now 30 years old. relatives also adopted)* *Susan M. Schultz* March 2011 *(adopted 12-month-old boy (now 11 years old) from Cambodia and 3-year-old girl (now 9 years old) from Nepal. husband and a number of other relatives were adopted)* *Michael D Snediker* March 2011 *(brother to a sister adopted as an infant from Korea. became close to someone who adopted a son from Vietnam)* *Rosemary Starace* March 2011 *(was adopted as a baby domestically within the U.S. three years later became sister to adopted brother)* *Eileen R. Tabios* March 2011 *(adopted a 13-year-old boy (now 15) from Colombia. in process of new adoption process for a 12-year-old girl also from Colombia)* *Craig Watson* March 2011 *(adopted 1-year-old girl from Ecuador)* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Also, please note that our fabulous Translation issue is due to run for another month yet, following which qarrtsiluni will take a brief vacation before commencing serialization of Imprisonment. We look forward to hearing from you. Dave, Beth, Ann and Ken http://qarrtsiluni.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qarrtsiluni news" list. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to qarrtsiluni-news+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/qarrtsiluni-news?hl=en -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Alan Halsey is the author of *Marginalien* and *Lives of the Poets* (both Five Seasons Press), *Not Everything Remotely: Selected* *Poems 1978-2004*(Salt) and *Term as in Aftermath* (Ahadada). http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/eratioeditions.html read the Alan Halsey interview: http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/editor_Alan_Halsey.html also available from e?ratio editions: #11. *Paul de Man and the Cornell Demaniacs* by Jack Foley. Essay, recollection. ?I studied with de Man in the early 1960s at Cornell University. The de Man of that time was different from the de Man you are aware of. . . . Despite his interest in Heidegger, the central issue for the de Man of this period was ?inwardness? ? what he called, citing Rousseau, ?conscience de soi,? self consciousness.? #10. *The Galloping Man and five other poems* by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino. ? . . . how does / a body know, here is a hand, and here, is a sentence / or, / what?s riding on hearts . . . ? http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/eratioeditions.html .pdf (free) e? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you enjoy. l My best, l Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum, Founder & Editor l Contact us at AndrewMcFadyenKetchum at PoemoftheWeek.org l Donate to PoemoftheWeek.org at http://poemoftheweek.org/id294.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joebj818 at aol.com Sun Apr 3 22:57:41 2011 From: joebj818 at aol.com (joebj818 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:57:41 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] New books of poetry by a new author Message-ID: <8CDC08B32C2D83D-95C-159A7@webmail-m039.sysops.aol.com> Hello, My name is Joe Grady and I just want to tell you that I have two ebooks of poetry available for purchase on Amazon.com. These are the links to both books. Thank you for any interest! Cream Cheese, With A Side Of Bagel http://www.amazon.com/Cream-Cheese-Side-Bagel-ebook/dp/B004LROPRC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1301885703&sr=1-1 Birds Sitting On A Bare Branch http://www.amazon.com/Birds-Sitting-Bare-Branch-ebook/dp/B004UAYDTK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1301885703&sr=1-3 Thank You -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu Mon Apr 4 09:56:40 2011 From: Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu (Edward Byrne) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:56:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Announcement: VPR Spring/Summer 2011 Message-ID: <4D9987C80200006E00088AC9@gwdm1.valpo.edu> NEWS RELEASE I am pleased to announcepublication of the Spring/Summer 2011 issue (Volume XII, Number 2) of ValparaisoPoetry Review: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ Poetry Featured Poet: T. AlanBroughton Additional Poets: WalterBargen, Michelle Bitting, Sheila Black, Ronda Broatch, Martha Carlson-Bradley,Jared Carter, Robin Chapman, Susanna Childress, Christina Cook, BarbaraCrooker, Susan Elbe, Patricia Fargnoli, Gary Fincke, William Ford, Kate Fox,Alice Friman, Adrianne Kalfopoulou, Athena Kildegaard, Norbert Krapf, WendyMnookin, Travis Mossotti, Kay Mullen, Paul Nelson, Joey Nicoletti, JeanNordhaus, John Owen, Thomas Reiter, Laura Sobbott Ross, Diane Seuss, EleanorSwanson, Tony Trigilio, Laura Lee Washburn, Pui Ying Wong, Jennifer Yaros Prose An Essay on Ecopoetics byJohn Linstrom; T. Alan Broughton Reviewed by Edward Byrne; Franz WrightReviewed by Susanna Childress; Alicia Ostriker and Marilyn Krysl Reviewed byIngrid Wendt; Susan Rich Reviewed by Rachel Dacus; Joanie Mackowski Reviewed byEllen Miller-Mack; Cover Art Commentary on Richard Loving by Gregg Hertzlieb;Recently Received and Recommended Books -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu Faculty Page: http://www.valpo.edu/english/faculty/byrne.php Audio Chapbook: http://wschap4.wordpress.com/ Latest Book: http://www.turningpointbooks.com/byrne.html Personal Blog: http://www.edwardbyrnepoetry.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ VPR Editor's Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Twitter: http://twitter.com/valpopoetry Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4D9374C3.3050702@nut-n-but.net> References: <205259.5996.qm@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4D9374C3.3050702@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Me blushing On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 3/30/2011 11:26 AM, David Baratier wrote: > > I know 24 of them, do I win something? > > This is New-Poetry, David: hence, the contest is to find out who knows the > *least *of them. 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John has a good lead, but maybe some > other member will learn of the competition from someone other than > I and thus be able honestly to claim ignorance of all of them. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:50 AM, David Graham wrote: > http://www.austinchronicle.com/books/2011-04-08/the-heartsick-poet/ > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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News of Dean Young (amy king) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: amy king > To: UB Poetics discussion group , > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] News of Dean Young > Message-ID: <218831.57732.qm at web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Does anyone know how he's faring these days? > > Thanks, > > Amy > ? > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/? > ******** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > **************************************** > From millb at aol.com Fri Apr 8 09:55:23 2011 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Borges Accardi) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] News of Dean Young's heart In-Reply-To: References: <14B717EC-8F39-4AEC-BBED-6C5AB4CE18BB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CDC40BBD19EFD1-21C0-173DA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for posting this. My thoughts and well wishes go out to the family. Although a different condition, my husband has had arrhythmia since a cardiac arrest in 2003, so we are well in touch with many of the struggles Dean Young is facing. Let's hope there is a heart for Young very soon. Mill Help me get to 200 "likes' on Facebook by Tax Day. Click here to "like" my FB page. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:35 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] News of Dean Young's heart Poor man, let's hope. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:50 AM, David Graham wrote: http://www.austinchronicle.com/books/2011-04-08/the-heartsick-poet/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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My thoughts and well wishes go out to the family. > Although a different condition, my husband has had arrhythmia since a > cardiac arrest in 2003, so we are well in touch with many of the struggles > Dean Young is facing.? Let's hope there is a heart for Young very soon. > > Mill > > > > Help me get to 200 "likes' on Facebook by Tax Day. Click here to "like" my > FB page. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:35 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] News of Dean Young's heart > > Poor man, let's hope. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:50 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >> http://www.austinchronicle.com/books/2011-04-08/the-heartsick-poet/ >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 11:44:39 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Writing and Rewriting Gaddafi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <397395.1862.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> On the darker side of playfulness, where's the clerihew? I mean, why not go seriously light with Gaddafi? I mean, why him? Or anyone? To name a few ... Doesn't Cosa Nostra mean my familiar?? ________________________________ From: Obododimma Oha To: USAAfricaDialogue ; "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" ; "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" ; Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace ; elsalites ; otu_umunna Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:24:01 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Writing and Rewriting Gaddafi "On the side of playfulness ? and perhaps with some admiration for the bearer ? some commentators also try to rewrite ?Gaddafi? as ?Gadfly,? as if the sound is also the sense within and across languages. Thrilled by this, I have started searching my books to find out if his name is spelled ?God-a-fi? anywhere, to accommodate the image of a god that he is fast acquiring! God-a-fis and gadflies go together in a modern ?Hannibalization? of North Africa and the Mediterranean." Read the full article, " Writing & Rewriting Gaddafi," at: http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/Editorial/5685993-182/story.csp -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ (Associate Professor of Cultural Semiotics & Stylistics) Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As the poetic landscape opened up onto a vista of increasingly diverse voices and approaches in the latter part of the twentieth century, his own poems remained a constant?exacting in form and content, continuing to look backward to Herbert, Milton and Shakespeare and, yes, Auden. As J. D. McClatchy writes in the introduction to Hecht's Selected Poems (the first time a selection across his entire career has been available, even during his life), "His is a responsible art, an art that responds to history, to political and domestic tragedies, with an awareness of personal accountability. The beauty of a Hecht poem, the very skill by which its material is revealed, often throws into an even stronger, more pathetic light the desolation of the human condition that is his subject." Here is "Devotions of a Painter," from his 1990 volume The Transparent Man. Devotions of a Painter Cool sinuosities, waved banners of light, Unfurl, remesh, and round upon themselves In a continuing turmoil of benign Cross-purposes, effortlessly as fish, On the dark underside of the foot-bridge, Cast upward against pewter-weathered planks. Weeds flatten with the current. Dragonflies Poise like blue needles, steady in mid-air, For some decisive, swift inoculation. The world repeats itself in ragged swatches Among the lily-pads, but understated, When observed from this selected vantage point, A human height above the water-level, As the shore shelves heavily over its reflection, Its timid, leaf-strewn comment on itself. It's midday in midsummer. Pitiless heat. Not so much air in motion as to flutter The frail, bright onion tissue of a poppy. I am an elderly man in a straw hat Who has set himself the task of praising God For all this welter by setting out my paints And getting as much truth as can be managed Onto a small flat canvas. Constable Claimed he had never seen anything ugly, And would have known each crushed jewel in the pigments Of these oily golds and greens, enamelled browns That recall the glittering eyes and backs of frogs. The sun dispenses its immense loose change, Squandered on blossoms, ripples, mud, wet stones. I am enamored of the pale chalk dust Of the moth's wing, and the dark moldering gold Of rust, the corrupted treasures of this world. Against the Gospel let my brush declare: "These are the anaglyphs and gleams of love." More on this poem and author: Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. Learn more about Selected Poems by Anthony Hecht Buy the Book Excerpt from SELECTED POEMS. Copyright ? 2011 by The Estate of Anthony Hecht. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. 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Can anyone confirm or deny it? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:31 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/american-university-uncer_b_844671.html > > In an article published on April 1, the undergraduate newspaper for the 45,000-student flagship campus of Penn State revealed that the university "will no longer have the funds to admit new candidates into the [Master of Fine Arts in creative writing] program." 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MFA candidates who have already been admitted to the program will not be affected by the cuts. ?It?s kind of a perfect storm where you?ve got it coming from two directions,? said Julia Kasdorf, a tenure-line English professor. ?We lose our graduate student instructors, then we lose our lecture instructors, and we only have a handful of creative writing faculty to cover all classes.? -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Penn State MFA fallen by the wayside I saw this item, but wonder if the April 1 dateline is significant. Was waiting to see if anyone else picked up the story. Can anyone confirm or deny it? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:31 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/american-university-uncer_b_844671.html In an article published on April 1, the undergraduate newspaper for the 45,000-student flagship campus of Penn State revealed that the university "will no longer have the funds to admit new candidates into the [Master of Fine Arts in creative writing] program." The creative writing MFA at Penn State offers concentrations in fiction, poetry and nonfiction. The decision comes despite the program's prominence in the field's controlling national rankings, published annually by Poets & Writers magazine, a top trade publication... _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Apr 10 19:41:05 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:41:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paul Violi (1944-2011) Message-ID: <8CDC5EFE4CA429E-189C-1537D@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> http://coldfrontmag.com/news/i-m-paul-violi-1944-2011 Violi authored eleven books of poetry, a book of prose, and several anthologies. 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Right to the ditch. Barack Obama May not like drama But like it or not That?s sure what he?s got. Senator Reid In his hour of need Reached out to the Left Whom he?d left bereft. Governor Walker, Deficit Stalker, Wants teachers to pay So rich folks can play. Senator Paul And Congressman Paul Might both of them run - How long till they?re done? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 11 11:40:46 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:40:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Guggenheims 2011 (poets) Message-ID: <8CDC675F5A623A5-11B4-7B01F@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> http://www.gf.org/news-events/2011-Fellows-United-States-and-Canada/ 2011 Fellows - United States and Canada Mr. Peter Campion, Poet, Auburn, Alabama, and Associate Professor of English, Auburn University: Poetry. Ms. Claudia Emerson, Poet, Fredericksburg, Virginia, and Professor and Arrington Distinguished Chair of Poetry, University of Mary Washington: Poetry. Mr. Paul Guest, Poet, Atlanta, Georgia, and Instructor in English, Agnes Scott College: Poetry. Ms. Kimberly Johnson, Poet, Salt Lake City, Utah, and Associate Professor of English, Brigham Young University: Poetry. Ms. Eleanor Lerman, Poet, Long Beach, New York, and Editor and Director, Public Affairs and Publications, Carnegie Corporation of New York: Poetry. Mr. Maurice Walker Manning, Poet, Bloomington, Indiana, and Associate Professor of English, Indiana University: P Mr. D. A. Powell, Poet, San Francisco, California, and Associate Professor of English, University of San Francisco: Poetry. Ms. Alicia Elsbeth (A. E.) Stallings, Poet, Athens, Greece: Poetry. Mr. Matthew J. Zapruder, Poet, San Francisco, California, and Assistant Visiting Professor, MFA in Creative Writing and Writing for the Performing Arts, University of California, Riverside: Poetry. Ms. Cynthia Zarin, Poet, New York City, and Senior Lecturer in English, Yale University: Poetry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 19:13:40 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:13:40 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Even Chesterton In-Reply-To: References: , <397395.1862.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Chesterton, assaying the Keyensian devastation, as Soros goes in for the kill, would bellow, "I stand with Sarah Palin, 'Drill, Baby, Drill!'." Would listen to Aldrin and agree: "Back to Luna!, before China replaces the Man with a Rabbit & takes all the Helium Three" When China owns the Moon, Oh, Happy Day! Drugged TellyTubbies swoon. Little Yankees jumping with a cow. ZeroKing to Robbespierre Sunstein takes another bow. ZeroKing has nothing Ayers and Rezko didn't give him, and he'll give it to Michael Snider to pay him to denounce Ryan and Cantor and the Tea Party, too. ZeroKing gives Snider a Beanie Windmill, who runs around crying Republicans are wolves, while for Brazil's deep sea drills Soros takes the rest of Snider's paycheck: Roll the hill with Tellytubbies, Dude! R. Michelle Malkin "Trump" Mark Levin Dillon From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:30:14 -0400 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Writing and Rewriting Gaddafi www.mikesnider.org On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:44, stephen russell wrote: On the darker side of playfulness, where's the clerihew? I mean, why not go seriously light with Gaddafi? I mean, why him? Or anyone? Here are clerihews, though about Qaddaffi, and without any claims for quality, since I wrote them while running sound for a swing band last weekend: Speaker John Boehner,The Tea Party Trainer,Will know if he?s lostBy who pays the cost. Eric Cantor,Deficit ranter:?Who drives? The rich!?Right to the ditch. Barack ObamaMay not like dramaBut like it or notThat?s sure what he?s got. Senator ReidIn his hour of needReached out to the LeftWhom he?d left bereft. Governor Walker,Deficit Stalker,Wants teachers to paySo rich folks can play. Senator PaulAnd Congressman PaulMight both of them run -How long till they?re done? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 12 14:08:15 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:08:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: David Ferry Awarded Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC753B942778B-498-672F@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view it in your web browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE APRIL 12, 2011 David Ferry Awarded 2011 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize Award recognizes lifetime accomplishment with $100,000 prize? CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation is pleased to announce that poet David Ferry has won the 2011 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. Presented annually to a living US poet whose lifetime accomplishments warrant extraordinary recognition, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize is one of the most prestigious awards given to American poets. At $100,000, it is also one of the nation?s largest literary prizes. Established in 1986, the prize is sponsored and administered by the Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine. The prize will be presented at the Pegasus Awards ceremony at the Arts Club of Chicago on Wednesday, May 11; the next Children?s Poet Laureate will also be announced at the ceremony. In making the announcement, Christian Wiman, editor of Poetry magazine, noted the quiet power in Ferry?s verse. ?David Ferry is probably best known as a translator?and his achievements in that regard are extraordinary?but I think in the end it will be his poems that last,? said Wiman. ?In a time when most poetry relies on intense surface energy, Ferry?s effects are muted and subterranean?but then, in their cumulative effect, seismic. For 50 years he has practiced poetry as if it truly matters to our lives and to our souls?and now his poems have that rare power to wake us up to both.? Ferry has authored, edited, or translated more than a dozen books. His collections of poetry and translations include On the Way to the Island (1960); A Letter, and Some Photographs (1981); Strangers: A Book of Poems (1984); Gilgamesh: A New Rendering in English Verse (1992), a finalist for the National Book Critics? Circle Award; Dwelling Places: Poems and Translations (1993); and Of No Country I Know: New and Selected Poems and Translations (1999). Bewilderment: New Poems and Translations will be published in fall 2012. The emeritus Sophie Chantal Hart Professor of English at Wellesley College, Ferry is currently serving as a visiting lecturer in the Graduate Creative Writing Program at Boston University and is a distinguished visiting scholar at Suffolk University. Over the course of his long career Ferry has received many awards and fellowships, including a John Simon Guggenheim Fellowship, the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize from the Academy of American Poets, the Rebekah Johnson Bobbitt National Prize for Poetry from the Library of Congress, and an Academy Award for Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. He lives in Brookline, Massachusetts. ?Now in its 26th year, the Lilly Prize celebrates at once our finest living poets and Ruth Lilly, poetry?s greatest benefactor,? said Poetry Foundation president John Barr. ?This year?s winner, David Ferry, continues that grand tradition.? Previous recipients of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize are Adrienne Rich, Philip Levine, Anthony Hecht, Mona Van Duyn, Hayden Carruth, David Wagoner, John Ashbery, Charles Wright, Donald Hall, A.R. Ammons, Gerald Stern, William Matthews, W.S. Merwin, Maxine Kumin, Carl Dennis, Yusef Komunyakaa, Lisel Mueller, Linda Pastan, Kay Ryan, C.K. Williams, Richard Wilbur, Lucille Clifton, Gary Snyder, Fanny Howe, and Eleanor Ross Taylor. About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize American poetry has no greater friend than Ruth Lilly. Over many years and in many ways, it has been blessed by her personal generosity. In 1985 she endowed the Ruth Lilly Professorship in Poetry at Indiana University. In 1989 she created Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowships, for $15,000 each, given annually by the Poetry Foundation to undergraduate or graduate students selected through a national competition. In 2002 her lifetime engagement with poetry culminated in a magnificent bequest that will enable the Poetry Foundation to promote, in perpetuity, a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine, is an independent literary organization committed to a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. It exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative literary prizes and programs. For more information, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. View this release online. View this release online. Forward to a friend Find us on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Contact POETRY FOUNDATION 444 North Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60611 312.799.8016 Media Contact: Stephanie Hlywak Discover more poetry Sign up to receive the latest Poetry Foundation news, articles, and releases. You have received this newsletter because you submitted your email address at http://www.poetryfoundation.org. You may unsubscribe or change your newsletter subscription preferences at any time. 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Can an argument be made that Ken Babstock, Karen Solie or Kevin Connolly are influenced more by John Glassco or Jay Macpherson than by Lee, Cohen or McKay? Swift and Jones aren?t interested in telling ?the story? of Canadian poetry, they are spending their capital gardening their personal poetics. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that; the thousand blurry constellations of taste, and the open discussions between them, are essential. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 12 14:38:11 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:38:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] I Think again of those ancient Chinese Poets (Tom Sexton) Message-ID: <8CDC757E8C2E90B-498-6DF8@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> http://juneauempire.com/art/2011-04-06/sexton8217s-new-works-link-modern-audience-ancient-poets I Think again of those ancient Chinese Poets: poems by Tom Sexton. 59 pages. University of Alaska Press, 2011. $14.95 Once again, former Alaska Writer Laureate Tom Sexton has produced a work that is simple yet eloquent, one that will lead you from your chair to a long, masterful tradition of hermit poets and their masters. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 14:58:03 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. If their looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose Anne Carson. ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 2:33:53 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/books/modern-canadian-poets-edited-by-evan-jones-and-todd-swift/article1973850/ Modern Canadian Poets, edited by Evan Jones and Todd Swift, Carcanet Press, 240 pages, $32.95 -- However, the litmus test for poetic relevance is the degree to which a poet can be felt (as inspiration or rejection) in the work of their immediate successors. In Modern Canadian Poets, Swift and Jones make room for that bigger narrative, but ignore it. Can an argument be made that Ken Babstock, Karen Solie or Kevin Connolly are influenced more by John Glassco or Jay Macpherson than by Lee, Cohen or McKay? 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Many more, but I'm away from my books. www.mikesnider.org On Apr 12, 2011, at 15:52, Tad Richards wrote: > I'm updating my Poetry Portraits website, fixing all the broken links, adding stuff (still not finished -- I'll post when it is). A lot of the broken links are to the Academy of American Poets, because they changed all their URLs. > > But what puzzles me is that I have an AAP link to Paul Goodman -- broken, of course. But when I went to their website to get the new URL for their Paul Goodman page, there is none. There must have been one before, or I wouldn't have had the link. Has Paul Goodman been stripped of his rank by the Academy? > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 12 16:42:30 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:42:30 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paul Goodman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC769470FE6AB-498-8558@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> The Poetry Foundation revamped their mega-site. They've got everybody, including Paul Goodman. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/paul-goodman The Academy of American poets probably has one web developer working in a basement cubicle somewhere in Jersey City. And his request to upgrade his Compaq 2000 PC was denied due to funding straits. The Poetry Foundation probably has 20 young code monkeys working in a high-ceilinged, well-lit Chicago loft and with a ratio of no more than 4 developers per foosball table. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Tad Richards To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 3:52 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Paul Goodman I'm updating my Poetry Portraits website, fixing all the broken links, adding stuff (still not finished -- I'll post when it is). A lot of the broken links are to the Academy of American Poets, because they changed all their URLs. But what puzzles me is that I have an AAP link to Paul Goodman -- broken, of course. But when I went to their website to get the new URL for their Paul Goodman page, there is none. There must have been one before, or I wouldn't have had the link. Has Paul Goodman been stripped of his rank by the Academy? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 12 18:54:26 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:54:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> <403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net> On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: > I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. > If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose Anne > Carson. . How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. I promise not to use it as a jump-off point into one of my rants. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Tue Apr 12 17:51:43 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Mike Snider) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:51:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paul Goodman In-Reply-To: <8CDC769470FE6AB-498-8558@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC769470FE6AB-498-8558@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wrote this 2 years ago about Goodman: ?Such beauty as hurts to behold ?? The Wikipedia entry for Paul Goodman quotes from what, depending on mood and weather and the usually dreadful news, is sometimes ? no ? what is often my favorite poem: FLAGS, 1967 How well they flew together side by side the Stars and Stripes my red and white and blue and my Black Flag the sovereignty of no man or law! They were the flags of pride and nature and advanced with equal stride across the age when Jefferson long ago saluted both and said, ?Let Shays? men go. If you discourage mutiny and riot what check is there on government?? Today The gaudy flag is very grand on earth and they have sewed on it a golden border, but I will not salute it. At our rally I see a small black rag of little worth and touch it wistfully. Chaos is Order. Just look at that thing! Everything about it is wrong! It?s a damned sonnet with an explicit moral message; the sentences meander as if they?d pushed around by the exigencies of rhyme and meter ? except that ?blue? is rhymed with ?go? and ?ago,? ?side? with ?riot,? and ?Today? with ?rally,? so clearly the poet didn?t much mind an off-rhyme, and besides, nearly every line is enjambed, and all but 2 commas are missing: the first introducing Jefferson?s statement ending at the turn, which happens two syllables from the end of line 9 and is marked with a carriage return and lloonngg indentation (exact and careful work, a Petrarchan sonnet written by an anarchist), the second emphasizing that Goodman, unlike Jefferson, will not today salute both flags. But, oh, how he longs to! Poem after poem laments his alienation from a country and people he cannot help but love. One poem salutes the constitution ? provided it is interpreted by Hugo Black; another celebrates how our spacemen on the moon look just as we imagined them; here?s the sestet from another sonnet, ?The Americans Resume Bomb-Testing, April 1962?: ?Resign! Resign!? the word rings in my soul ?is it for me? or shall I make a sign and picket the White House blindly in the rain, or hold it up on Madison Avenue a silent vigil, or trudge to and fro gloomily in front of the public school? (6 months earlier, the Russians had resumed testing first. That poem begins ?My poisoned one, my world!?) The personal is political, we used to say, and for Goodman it really was, or at least his passion was equal for both, and he did not keep them separate. ?Easter 1968? begins ?When young proclaim Make Love Not War / I back them up, I back them up, / and some are brave as they can be. / But they don?t make love to me.? Again, the metrical/syntactic oddity: ?When young proclaim? seems as if ?the? was left out because the meter wanted it out, but the last line of the quatrain, the first that rhymes (!), abandons the regular tetrameter of the first three. The effect is quite startling, and the meter never reappears in the last two quatrains, which details how one particular young man disappointed him. Goodman was openly bisexual (this was when even gay folk didn?t like bi folk), and his poems are frequently explicit, and often funny: BUCOLIC The dark armpits of my unwashed honey taste acrid but her crotch musky and delicious with its primrose of the field where in summer cows browse in the hollow and bees buzz. Her tiny lice, seen up close, wildly wave their legs like spikes of alfalfa in the gale. SOLSTICE Leaping my shadow and Prick my dog I took to walk the park the streets the bars the wooden dock all a hot afternoon. My shadow had a lively run and stretched out long he came back home, but Prick had never a sniff or jump the twenty-first of June. He was always, even in despair, in love with the world. The title of this post is the first line of a poem marked ?(MANNER OF SAPPHO),? which ends This lust that blooms like red the rose is none of mine but as a song is given to its author knows not the next verse yet sings along. You ask what I am muttering stupefied, it is a prayer of thanks that there is such a thing as you in the world there. I?ve often written about Goodman, starting way back in 1995, on UseNet. Many of his political books, his work on Gestalt Therapy and his general social commentary are still in print, but only a single ($99!) copy of his poems appears to be available. That is a great pity. From tad at opus40.org Tue Apr 12 19:18:43 2011 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:18:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paul Goodman In-Reply-To: References: <8CDC769470FE6AB-498-8558@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: And, it may be a bit obvious, but if you live where I live, "The Lordly Hudson" will bring a lump to your throat. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mike Snider wrote: > I wrote this 2 years ago about Goodman: > > > > ?Such beauty as hurts to behold ?? > > > The Wikipedia entry for Paul Goodman quotes from what, depending on > mood and weather and the usually dreadful news, is sometimes ? no ? > what is often my favorite poem: > > FLAGS, 1967 > > How well they flew together side by side > the Stars and Stripes my red and white and blue > and my Black Flag the sovereignty of no > man or law! They were the flags of pride > and nature and advanced with equal stride > across the age when Jefferson long ago > saluted both and said, ?Let Shays? men go. > If you discourage mutiny and riot > what check is there on government?? > Today > The gaudy flag is very grand on earth > and they have sewed on it a golden border, > but I will not salute it. At our rally > I see a small black rag of little worth > and touch it wistfully. Chaos is Order. > Just look at that thing! Everything about it is wrong! It?s a damned > sonnet with an explicit moral message; the sentences meander as if > they?d pushed around by the exigencies of rhyme and meter ? except > that ?blue? is rhymed with ?go? and ?ago,? ?side? with ?riot,? and > ?Today? with ?rally,? so clearly the poet didn?t much mind an > off-rhyme, and besides, nearly every line is enjambed, and all but 2 > commas are missing: the first introducing Jefferson?s statement ending > at the turn, which happens two syllables from the end of line 9 and is > marked with a carriage return and lloonngg indentation (exact and > careful work, a Petrarchan sonnet written by an anarchist), the second > emphasizing that Goodman, unlike Jefferson, will not today salute both > flags. > > But, oh, how he longs to! Poem after poem laments his alienation from > a country and people he cannot help but love. One poem salutes the > constitution ? provided it is interpreted by Hugo Black; another > celebrates how our spacemen on the moon look just as we imagined them; > here?s the sestet from another sonnet, ?The Americans Resume > Bomb-Testing, April 1962?: > > ?Resign! Resign!? the word rings in my soul > ?is it for me? or shall I make a sign > and picket the White House blindly in the rain, > or hold it up on Madison Avenue > a silent vigil, or trudge to and fro > gloomily in front of the public school? > > (6 months earlier, the Russians had resumed testing first. That poem > begins ?My poisoned one, my world!?) > > The personal is political, we used to say, and for Goodman it really > was, or at least his passion was equal for both, and he did not keep > them separate. ?Easter 1968? begins ?When young proclaim Make Love Not > War / I back them up, I back them up, / and some are brave as they can > be. / But they don?t make love to me.? Again, the metrical/syntactic > oddity: ?When young proclaim? seems as if ?the? was left out because > the meter wanted it out, but the last line of the quatrain, the first > that rhymes (!), abandons the regular tetrameter of the first three. > The effect is quite startling, and the meter never reappears in the > last two quatrains, which details how one particular young man > disappointed him. > > Goodman was openly bisexual (this was when even gay folk didn?t like > bi folk), and his poems are frequently explicit, and often funny: > > BUCOLIC > > The dark armpits of my unwashed > honey taste acrid but her crotch > musky and delicious with > its primrose of the field > where in summer cows browse > in the hollow and bees buzz. > Her tiny lice, seen up close, > wildly wave their legs like spikes > of alfalfa in the gale. > > SOLSTICE > > Leaping my shadow and Prick my dog > I took to walk the park > the streets the bars the wooden dock > all a hot afternoon. > > My shadow had a lively run > and stretched out long he came back home, > but Prick had never a sniff or jump > the twenty-first of June. > > He was always, even in despair, in love with the world. The title of > this post is the first line of a poem marked ?(MANNER OF SAPPHO),? > which ends > > This lust that blooms like red the rose > is none of mine but as a song > is given to its author knows > not the next verse yet sings along. > > You ask what I am muttering > stupefied, it is a prayer > of thanks that there is such a thing > as you in the world there. > > I?ve often written about Goodman, starting way back in 1995, on > UseNet. Many of his political books, his work on Gestalt Therapy and > his general social commentary are still in print, but only a single > ($99!) copy of his poems appears to be available. That is a great > pity. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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E-mail : info at moodybooks.net Phone : + 423.282.6004 128 Princeton Road, Johnson City, Tennessee, U.S.A., 37601 - 2511 http://www.biblio.com/search.php?author=Cain%2C+S%C3%A9amas&title=&keyisbn=&format=&dealer_id=104998 Mindbendingly, S?amas Cain http://www.saorsainn.net http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain-writernetwork.org _____________________________________ From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 15:34:00 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> <403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> .... what do I mean? It's hard for me to place her in any school. That must mean something. She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must mean something. Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a minute, you want me to provide a link or something. Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm still getting used to that improved version of myself. ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. >If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose Anne >Carson. > . How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. 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I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a > nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm > still getting used to that improved version of myself. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Grumman > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >> I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. >> If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose >> Anne Carson. > . > How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you > mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. I promise not to use it as a > jump-off point into one of my rants. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 15:49:24 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <778817.95538.qm@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Now we're getting at the truth. You're lazy, and I'm lazy. This presents a problem, Bob. And I'm not exactly sure what to do about it. Allow me a few slothful minutes to ponder this situation. There must be a solution. ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to do a search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to see since she's a favorite of yours. --Bob > > .... what do I mean? >It's hard for me to place her in any school. >That must mean something. > >She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must >mean something. > >Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a minute, >you want me to provide a link or something. > > >Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a >nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm >still getting used to that improved version of myself. > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > >On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. >>If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly >>choose Anne Carson. >> . How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. I promise not to use it as a jump-off point into one of my rants. --Bob > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 16:00:24 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I wanted to find an actual sample of her writing, but they don't seem readily available. These paragraphs are the next best thing -- (b.1950). Born in Toronto, Ontario, and educated at the University of Toronto (B.A., 1974; M.A. 1975; Ph.D., 1980), she was professor of classics at the University of Calgary (1979?80), at Princeton University (1980?7), and at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, from 1987to1988, when she became professor of classics at McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. A poet and essayist as well as a classical scholar, Carson uses the mixed genre, modernist fragment, and journal entry in an intensely personal quest to understand the nature and complexities of romantic love, family bonds, the self, and love of God. Her work?which has been championed by American writers Susan Sontag, Annie Dillard, and Guy Davenport?has appeared widely in the United States in leading literary journals such as Grand Street, and in The New Yorker, and her work has been reprinted in The best American poetry 1990 and The best American essays 1991, and, in Canada, in a Journey prize anthology. Four books indicate the unusual range of Carson's writing: Eros the bittersweet: an essay (1986), a reading of Sappho that focuses on the meaning of erotic desire and its relation to pleasure and pain, a process that the English word ?bittersweet? inverts; Short talks (1992), a collection of prose poems that were later included in Plainwater: essays and poetry (1995); and Glass, irony and God: essays and poetry (1995). For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, isolatos, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of daily existence. In 1996 Carson won the Lannan Literary Award, a $50,000 prize given by the Lannan Foundation, Los Angeles (the only other Canadian to win this award was Alice Munro). That a writer of Carson's importance should be almost unknown in her own country attests to the eccentricities of contemporary Canadian literary culture. (See Mary di Michele, ?Interview?, Matrix 49 (1996).) Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/anne-carson#ixzz1JR1UkwYN ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to do a search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to see since she's a favorite of yours. --Bob > > .... what do I mean? >It's hard for me to place her in any school. >That must mean something. > >She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must >mean something. > >Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a minute, >you want me to provide a link or something. > > >Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a >nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm >still getting used to that improved version of myself. > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > >On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. >>If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly >>choose Anne Carson. >> . How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. I promise not to use it as a jump-off point into one of my rants. --Bob > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 13 19:03:09 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:03:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> Thanks, Stephen. I'm afraid I'm the sort of lout for whom a resume like Carson's (/Best American Poems, The New Yorker/, etc.) indicate a poet I won't be likely to think much of. But I'll keep an eye out for her poetry. The poetry establishment has once or twice in the past mistakenly certified a poet doing something of consequence that wasn't being widely done fifty years ago as I always say. Point of interest, for me: the write-up on her focuses on the subject-matter of her work, not on her technique, a common failing of such write-ups from the Establishment, for which subject-matter is generally all that counts. Yes, fragments, or what I'm guessing is Pound/Eliotic collage. I'm sure I've read some of her poems, but without remembering them. Different strokes, and all that. --Bob > I wanted to find an actual sample of her writing, but they don't seem > readily available. > These paragraphs are the next best thing -- > > (b.1950). Born in Toronto, Ontario, and educated at the University > of Toronto (B.A., 1974; > M.A. 1975; Ph.D., 1980), she was professor of classics at the > University of Calgary (1979?80), at Princeton University (1980?7), and > at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, from 1987to1988, when she > became professor of classics at McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. > > A poet and essayist as well as a classical scholar, Carson uses the > mixed genre, modernist fragment, and journal entry in an intensely > personal quest to understand the nature and complexities of romantic > love, family bonds, the self, and love of God. Her work?which has been > championed by American writers Susan Sontag, Annie Dillard, and Guy > Davenport?has appeared widely in the United States in leading literary > journals such as /Grand Street/, and in /The New Yorker/, and her work > has been reprinted in /The best American poetry 1990/ and /The best > American essays 1991/, and, in Canada, in a /Journey prize anthology/. > Four books indicate the unusual range of Carson's writing: /Eros the > bittersweet: an essay/ (1986), a reading of Sappho that focuses on the > meaning of erotic desire and its relation to pleasure and pain, a > process that the English word ?bittersweet? inverts; /Short talks/ > (1992), a collection of prose poems that were later included in > /Plainwater: essays and poetry/ (1995); and /Glass, irony and God: > essays and poetry/ (1995). > > For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. > Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has > spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude > Stein and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; > and Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her > work creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and > emotional concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in > ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's > retreats from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain > in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. > At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of > the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern > religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson > addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a > world of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal > figures?outsiders, /isolatos/, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, > and the old. Whether she is recreating some of the violent > contradictions in ancient Judaism in the powerful poem ?Book of > Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a trip to Rome in > ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a lapidary > stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of > daily existence. > > In 1996 Carson won the Lannan Literary Award, a $50,000 prize given by > the Lannan Foundation, Los Angeles (the only other Canadian to win > this award was Alice Munro). That a writer of Carson's importance > should be almost unknown in her own country attests to the > eccentricities of contemporary Canadian literary culture. > > (See Mary di Michele, ?Interview?, /Matrix/ 49 (1996).) > > Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/anne-carson#ixzz1JR1UkwYN > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Grumman > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to do a > search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to see since > she's a favorite of yours. > > --Bob >> >> >> .... what do I mean? >> It's hard for me to place her in any school. >> That must mean something. >> >> She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must >> mean something. >> Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a >> minute, you want me to provide a link or something. >> >> Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a >> nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm >> still getting used to that improved version of myself. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Bob Grumman >> *To:* NewPoetry List >> *Sent:* Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) >> >> On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >>> I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. >>> If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose >>> Anne Carson. >> . >> How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you >> mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 13 19:39:21 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:39:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <8CDC84B0A55F91F-2010-307FD@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> <8CDC84B0A55F91F-2010-307FD@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDC84B25F395AB-2010-30855@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Carson's last book from New Directions called Nox was a foldout book of mixed genre. Remember when New Directions had the plain vanilla boox but great text inside. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to do a search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to see since she's a favorite of yours. --Bob .... what do I mean? It's hard for me to place her in any school. That must mean something. She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must mean something. Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a minute, you want me to provide a link or something. Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm still getting used to that improved version of myself. From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose Anne Carson. . How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. I promise not to use it as a jump-off point into one of my rants. --Bob ______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 20:13:01 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's not so much her resume that's of interest to me either. It's the thick paragraph 2 leagues below -- Of course, to be completely honest ( got the lawyer here, the bible, the judge, the swearing in & all ), I haven't studied her work. But what little I have read intrigues me. On the other hand, I'm always suspicious of poets who have the luxury to spend on exotic spiritual retreats. Screw it. Who am I kidding? Maybe I'm a here & now life -sort - of - sucks ( Alan Dugan ) type of reader/writer/poet. For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, isolatos, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of daily existence. ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 7:03:09 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) Thanks, Stephen. I'm afraid I'm the sort of lout for whom a resume like Carson's (Best American Poems, The New Yorker, etc.) indicate a poet I won't be likely to think much of. But I'll keep an eye out for her poetry. The poetry establishment has once or twice in the past mistakenly certified a poet doing something of consequence that wasn't being widely done fifty years ago as I always say. Point of interest, for me: the write-up on her focuses on the subject-matter of her work, not on her technique, a common failing of such write-ups from the Establishment, for which subject-matter is generally all that counts. Yes, fragments, or what I'm guessing is Pound/Eliotic collage. I'm sure I've read some of her poems, but without remembering them. Different strokes, and all that. --Bob I wanted to find an actual sample of her writing, but they don't seem readily available. >These paragraphs are the next best thing -- > >(b.1950). Born in Toronto, Ontario, and educated at the University of Toronto >(B.A., 1974; M.A. 1975; Ph.D., 1980), she was professor of classics at >the University of Calgary (1979?80), at Princeton University (1980?7), >and at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, from 1987to1988, when she >became professor of classics at McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. > >A poet and essayist as well as a classical scholar, Carson uses the >mixed genre, modernist fragment, and journal entry in an intensely >personal quest to understand the nature and complexities of romantic >love, family bonds, the self, and love of God. Her work?which has been >championed by American writers Susan Sontag, Annie Dillard, and Guy >Davenport?has appeared widely in the United States in leading literary >journals such as Grand Street, and in The New Yorker, and her work has >been reprinted in The best American poetry 1990 and The best American essays >1991, and, in Canada, in a Journey prize anthology. Four books >indicate the unusual range of Carson's writing: Eros the bittersweet: an >essay (1986), a reading of Sappho that focuses on the meaning of erotic >desire and its relation to pleasure and pain, a process that the >English word ?bittersweet? inverts; Short talks (1992), a collection of >prose poems that were later included in Plainwater: essays and poetry >(1995); and Glass, irony and God: essays and poetry (1995). > >For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. >Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has >spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein >and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and >Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work >creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional >concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass >essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats >from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain in the >rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. At heart >an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of the Christian >mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern religions, >metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson addresses both >worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world of divine >immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, isolatos, >lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is >recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the >powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during >a trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson >remains a lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of >the pain of daily existence. > >In 1996 Carson won the Lannan Literary Award, a $50,000 prize given by >the Lannan Foundation, Los Angeles (the only other Canadian to win this >award was Alice Munro). That a writer of Carson's importance should be >almost unknown in her own country attests to the eccentricities of >contemporary Canadian literary culture. > >(See Mary di Michele, ?Interview?, Matrix 49 (1996).) > >Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/anne-carson#ixzz1JR1UkwYN > > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to >do a search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to >see since she's a favorite of yours. > >--Bob > > >> >> .... what do I mean? >>It's hard for me to place her in any school. >>That must mean something. >> >>She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that >>must mean something. >> >>Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a >>minute, you want me to provide a link or something. >> >> >>Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because >>I'm not a nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less >>obnoxious person, and I'm still getting used to that improved >>version of myself. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >>To: NewPoetry List >>Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) >> >>On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >>I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or >>Jones. >> >>>If they're looking for an innovative voice, they >>>correctly choose Anne Carson. >>> . >How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of >what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 13 20:22:16 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series In-Reply-To: <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net><353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net><241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Pushkin Town It has rules. And love. And the first rule is. The love of chance. Some words of yours are very probably ore there. Or will be by the time our eyes are ember. Love Town She ran in. Wet corn. Yellow braid. Down her back. A Town I Have Heard Of ?In the middle of nowhere.? Where. Would that be? Nice and quiet. A rabbit. Hopping across. Nothing. On the stove. Town of Greta Garbo When my idol left it broke. My back it broke my legs it. Broke clouds in the sky broke. Sounds I was. Hearing still hear. Judas Town Not a late hour not unlit rows. Not olive trees not locks not heart. Not moon not dark wood. Not morsel not I. Bride Town Hanging on the daylight black. As an overcoat with no man in. It one cold bright. Noon the Demander was waiting for me. Anne Carson Plainwater (Vintage Books, 1995) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 20:26:39 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <776956.14643.qm@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> technique, too. I agree with you on that . There are far too many poetry blurbs, write ups that don't focus on anything other than the subject matter. As far as I'm concerned, My Dog Wagging Its Tail is interesting subject matter, maybe not as rhapsodic as Carson's pilgrimage in Spain, but my Dog doesn't dig pilgrams, and he doesn't beg me to read his stupid poems either. That's why we're such great friends. ________________________________ From: stephen russell To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) It's not so much her resume that's of interest to me either. It's the thick paragraph 2 leagues below -- Of course, to be completely honest ( got the lawyer here, the bible, the judge, the swearing in & all ), I haven't studied her work. But what little I have read intrigues me. On the other hand, I'm always suspicious of poets who have the luxury to spend on exotic spiritual retreats. Screw it. Who am I kidding? Maybe I'm a here & now life -sort - of - sucks ( Alan Dugan ) type of reader/writer/poet. For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, isolatos, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of daily existence. ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 7:03:09 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) Thanks, Stephen. I'm afraid I'm the sort of lout for whom a resume like Carson's (Best American Poems, The New Yorker, etc.) indicate a poet I won't be likely to think much of. But I'll keep an eye out for her poetry. The poetry establishment has once or twice in the past mistakenly certified a poet doing something of consequence that wasn't being widely done fifty years ago as I always say. Point of interest, for me: the write-up on her focuses on the subject-matter of her work, not on her technique, a common failing of such write-ups from the Establishment, for which subject-matter is generally all that counts. Yes, fragments, or what I'm guessing is Pound/Eliotic collage. I'm sure I've read some of her poems, but without remembering them. Different strokes, and all that. --Bob I wanted to find an actual sample of her writing, but they don't seem readily available. >These paragraphs are the next best thing -- > >(b.1950). Born in Toronto, Ontario, and educated at the University of Toronto >(B.A., 1974; M.A. 1975; Ph.D., 1980), she was professor of classics at >the University of Calgary (1979?80), at Princeton University (1980?7), >and at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, from 1987to1988, when she >became professor of classics at McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. > >A poet and essayist as well as a classical scholar, Carson uses the >mixed genre, modernist fragment, and journal entry in an intensely >personal quest to understand the nature and complexities of romantic >love, family bonds, the self, and love of God. Her work?which has been >championed by American writers Susan Sontag, Annie Dillard, and Guy >Davenport?has appeared widely in the United States in leading literary >journals such as Grand Street, and in The New Yorker, and her work has >been reprinted in The best American poetry 1990 and The best American essays >1991, and, in Canada, in a Journey prize anthology. Four books >indicate the unusual range of Carson's writing: Eros the bittersweet: an >essay (1986), a reading of Sappho that focuses on the meaning of erotic >desire and its relation to pleasure and pain, a process that the >English word ?bittersweet? inverts; Short talks (1992), a collection of >prose poems that were later included in Plainwater: essays and poetry >(1995); and Glass, irony and God: essays and poetry (1995). > >For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. >Her writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has >spent her life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein >and Italo Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and >Chinese poetry. Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work >creates a timeless space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional >concerns can exist along with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass >essay?, a long poem about a failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats >from the world, which gloss her own pilgrimage through Spain in the >rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the road to Compostela?. At heart >an experimental religious writer, with a rich knowledge of the Christian >mystic tradition as well as an interest in Eastern religions, >metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson addresses both >worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world of divine >immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, isolatos, >lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is >recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the >powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during >a trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson >remains a lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of >the pain of daily existence. > >In 1996 Carson won the Lannan Literary Award, a $50,000 prize given by >the Lannan Foundation, Los Angeles (the only other Canadian to win this >award was Alice Munro). That a writer of Carson's importance should be >almost unknown in her own country attests to the eccentricities of >contemporary Canadian literary culture. > >(See Mary di Michele, ?Interview?, Matrix 49 (1996).) > >Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/anne-carson#ixzz1JR1UkwYN > > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to >do a search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to >see since she's a favorite of yours. > >--Bob > > >> >> .... what do I mean? >>It's hard for me to place her in any school. >>That must mean something. >> >>She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that >>must mean something. >> >>Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a >>minute, you want me to provide a link or something. >> >> >>Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because >>I'm not a nice person. I'm doing my best to be a less >>obnoxious person, and I'm still getting used to that improved >>version of myself. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >>To: NewPoetry List >>Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) >> >>On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: >>I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or >>Jones. >> >>>If they're looking for an innovative voice, they >>>correctly choose Anne Carson. >>> . >How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of >what you mean by her "innovative voice," Stephen. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 13 20:28:43 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:28:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series In-Reply-To: <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net><353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net><241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net><861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDC8520B408000-2010-32098@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> These few small (sample) poems are not representative of Carson's later work. I was smitten by them when I first saw a selection in APR. Afterwards her work became more expansive and reveling mixed genre. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:22 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series Pushkin Town It has rules. And love. And the first rule is. The love of chance. Some words of yours are very probably ore there. Or will be by the time our eyes are ember. Love Town She ran in. Wet corn. Yellow braid. Down her back. A Town I Have Heard Of ?In the middle of nowhere.? Where. Would that be? Nice and quiet. A rabbit. Hopping across. Nothing. On the stove. Town of Greta Garbo When my idol left it broke. My back it broke my legs it. Broke clouds in the sky broke. Sounds I was. Hearing still hear. Judas Town Not a late hour not unlit rows. Not olive trees not locks not heart. Not moon not dark wood. Not morsel not I. Bride Town Hanging on the daylight black. As an overcoat with no man in. It one cold bright. Noon the Demander was waiting for me. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 20:37:52 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series In-Reply-To: <8CDC8520B408000-2010-32098@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700@nut-n-but.net><353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net><241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net><861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> <8CDC8520B408000-2010-32098@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <602282.55339.qm@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> On the other hand, I shouldn't be listening to my stupid dog so much either. He hardly knows more than the average city reviewer. It's difficult to know who to trust these days. Again, I'm intrigued. It's the mixed genre thing. It's the expansive thing. Screw it a second time. Maybe I'm not giving up on Anne Carson. I've thought of moving to Canada. Does Joni Mitchell still live there? ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:28:43 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series These few small (sample) poems are not representative of Carson's later work. I was smitten by them when I first saw a selection in APR. Afterwards her work became more expansive and reveling mixed genre. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:22 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series Pushkin Town It has rules. And love. And the first rule is. The love of chance. Some words of yours are very probably ore there. Or will be by the time our eyes are ember. Love Town She ran in. Wet corn. Yellow braid. Down her back. A Town I Have Heard Of ?In the middle of nowhere.? Where. Would that be? Nice and quiet. A rabbit. Hopping across. Nothing. On the stove. Town of Greta Garbo When my idol left it broke. My back it broke my legs it. Broke clouds in the sky broke. Sounds I was. Hearing still hear. Judas Town Not a late hour not unlit rows. Not olive trees not locks not heart. Not moon not dark wood. Not morsel not I. Bride Town Hanging on the daylight black. As an overcoat with no man in. It one cold bright. Noon the Demander was waiting for me. Anne Carson Plainwater (Vintage Books, 1995) _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Wed Apr 13 20:40:26 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:40:26 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: <776956.14643.qm@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> <403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net> <241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net> <861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <776956.14643.qm@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: _Autobiography of Red_ has both some nice moments of poetry as poetry but is also a rather interesting retelling of the myth of Geryon (and Heracles). I have no idea if Bob would like it.. probably not, but it worked well enough for me. That said, I can only take most of Carson's poetry in small doses. So maybe Bob *would* like it :) c On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:26 PM, stephen russell wrote: > technique, too. > I agree with you on that > . > There are far too many poetry blurbs, write ups that don't focus on anything > other than the subject matter. > As far as I'm concerned, My Dog Wagging Its Tail is interesting subject > matter, maybe not as rhapsodic as Carson's pilgrimage in Spain, but my Dog > doesn't dig pilgrams, and he doesn't beg me to read his stupid poems either. > That's why we're such great friends. > > ________________________________ > From: stephen russell > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:13:01 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > > It's not so much her resume that's of interest to me either. > It's the thick paragraph 2 leagues below -- > > Of course, to be completely honest ( got the lawyer here, the bible, the > judge,? the swearing in & all ), I haven't studied her work. > But what little I have read intrigues me. > > On the other hand, I'm always suspicious of poets who have the luxury to > spend on exotic spiritual retreats. > Screw it. Who am I kidding? Maybe I'm a here & now life -sort - of - sucks ( > Alan Dugan ) type of reader/writer/poet. > > For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. Her > writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has spent her > life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein and Italo > Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and Chinese poetry. > Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work creates a timeless > space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional concerns can exist along > with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a > failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats from the world, which gloss her own > pilgrimage through Spain in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the > road to Compostela?. At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich > knowledge of the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in > Eastern religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson > addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world > of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, > isolatos, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is > recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the > powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a > trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a > lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of > daily existence. > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 7:03:09 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > Thanks, Stephen.? I'm afraid I'm the sort of lout for whom a resume like > Carson's (Best American Poems, The New Yorker, etc.) indicate a poet I won't > be likely to think much of.? But I'll keep an eye out for her poetry.? The > poetry establishment has once or twice in the past mistakenly certified a > poet doing something of consequence > > that wasn't being widely done fifty years ago > > as I always say. > > Point of interest, for me: the write-up on her focuses on the subject-matter > of her work, not on her technique, a common failing of such write-ups from > the Establishment, for which subject-matter is generally all that counts. > Yes, fragments, or what I'm guessing is Pound/Eliotic collage.? I'm sure > I've read some of her poems, but without remembering them.? Different > strokes, and all that. > > --Bob > > I wanted to find an actual sample of her writing, but they don't seem > readily available. > These paragraphs are the next best thing -- > > (b.1950). Born in Toronto, Ontario, and educated at the University of > Toronto (B.A., 1974; M.A. 1975; Ph.D., 1980), she was professor of classics > at the University of Calgary (1979?80), at Princeton University (1980?7), > and at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, from 1987to1988, when she became > professor of classics at McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. > > A poet and essayist as well as a classical scholar, Carson uses the mixed > genre, modernist fragment, and journal entry in an intensely personal quest > to understand the nature and complexities of romantic love, family bonds, > the self, and love of God. Her work?which has been championed by American > writers Susan Sontag, Annie Dillard, and Guy Davenport?has appeared widely > in the United States in leading literary journals such as Grand Street, and > in The New Yorker, and her work has been reprinted in The best American > poetry 1990 and The best American essays 1991, and, in Canada, in a Journey > prize anthology. Four books indicate the unusual range of Carson's writing: > Eros the bittersweet: an essay (1986), a reading of Sappho that focuses on > the meaning of erotic desire and its relation to pleasure and pain, a > process that the English word ?bittersweet? inverts; Short talks (1992), a > collection of prose poems that were later included in Plainwater: essays and > poetry (1995); and Glass, irony and God: essays and poetry (1995). > > For Carson, essays and poems may be written in either prose or verse. Her > writing shows a wide range of influences: the Greek texts she has spent her > life studying; experimental writers, including Gertrude Stein and Italo > Calvino; European surrealism; the Catholic mystics; and Chinese poetry. > Dense with literary and cultural allusions, her work creates a timeless > space in which Carson's own spiritual and emotional concerns can exist along > with the trials of Emily Bront? (in ?The glass essay?, a long poem about a > failed love affair) or Bash?o's retreats from the world, which gloss her own > pilgrimage through Spain in the rhapsodic ?Kinds of water: an essay on the > road to Compostela?. At heart an experimental religious writer, with a rich > knowledge of the Christian mystic tradition as well as an interest in > Eastern religions, metaphysics in general, and psychoanalysis, Carson > addresses both worship and doubt, and the difficulties of living in a world > of divine immanence. Her sympathies are for marginal figures?outsiders, > isolatos, lovers, pilgrims, penitents, the ill, and the old. Whether she is > recreating some of the violent contradictions in ancient Judaism in the > powerful poem ?Book of Isaiah?, or recounting her own dislocation during a > trip to Rome in ?The fall of Rome: a traveller's guide?, Carson remains a > lapidary stylist, writing lyrical and reflective narratives of the pain of > daily existence. > > In 1996 Carson won the Lannan Literary Award, a $50,000 prize given by the > Lannan Foundation, Los Angeles (the only other Canadian to win this award > was Alice Munro). That a writer of Carson's importance should be almost > unknown in her own country attests to the eccentricities of contemporary > Canadian literary culture. > > (See Mary di Michele, ?Interview?, Matrix 49 (1996).) > Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/anne-carson#ixzz1JR1UkwYN > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:48:33 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > I just wanted an idea of her poetry, Stephen, but was too lazy to do a > search myself, so thought you might have one handy for us to see since she's > a favorite of yours. > > --Bob > > > ?.... what do I mean? > It's hard for me to place her in any school. > That must mean something. > > She combines her fine art work with her verbal work, and that must mean > something. > Or maybe it's all meaningless ... though I doubt it ... wait a minute, you > want me to provide a link or something. > > Is that it, Bob? I rarely provide links. And that's because I'm not a nice > person. I'm doing my best to be a less obnoxious person, and I'm still > getting used to that improved version of myself. > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:54:26 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) > > On 4/12/2011 1:58 PM, stephen russell wrote: > > I'm not familiar with the personel taste of Swift or Jones. > If they're looking for an innovative voice, they correctly choose Anne > Carson. > > . > How about something by Anne Carson so we can get an idea of what you mean by > her "innovative voice," Stephen.? I promise not to use it as a jump-off > point into one of my rants. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 13 22:52:06 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:52:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Carson's 'Town' series In-Reply-To: <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA4D822.4000700 @nut-n-but.net><353495.96282.qm@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801@nut-n-but.net><241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf 1.yahoo.com><4DA62BAD.5060908@nut-n-but.net><861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CDC85124CE8470-2010-31C18@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DA66156.3060107@nut-n-but.net> On 4/13/2011 7:22 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Thanks for the samples, James. --Bob > Pushkin Town > It has rules. > And love. > And the first rule is. > The love of chance. > Some words of yours are very probably ore there. > Or will be by the time our eyes are ember. > Love Town > She ran in. > Wet corn. > Yellow braid. > Down her back. > A Town I Have Heard Of > ?In the middle of nowhere.? > Where. > Would that be? > Nice and quiet. > A rabbit. > Hopping across. > Nothing. > On the stove. > Town of Greta Garbo > When my idol left it broke. > My back it broke my legs it. > Broke clouds in the sky broke. > Sounds I was. > Hearing still hear. > Judas Town > Not a late hour not unlit rows. > Not olive trees not locks not heart. > Not moon not dark wood. > Not morsel not I. > Bride Town > Hanging on the daylight black. > As an overcoat with no man in. > It one cold bright. > Noon the Demander was waiting for me. > Anne Carson > /Plainwater/ (Vintage Books, 1995) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's a lot of non-Wilshberian stuff I don't like, too. So my "I have no idea if Bob will like it" is more true than ever. At any rate, I think _Autobiography of Red_ is a work worth a few minutes at least... c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 14 08:05:27 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:05:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Modern Canadian Poets (review of) In-Reply-To: References: <8CDC7574F2BF0CB-498-6CD0@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com><403818.38269.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA60C21.2070801 @nut-n-but.net><241125.48821.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><861216.16719.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><776956.14643.qm@web 161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DA662CD.8090904@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DA6E307.2010703@nut-n-but.net> On 4/13/2011 10:02 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> I think the point is more whether I'd consider it Wilshberian or not than if >> I'd like it, which I think I might. You have to remember that I do like >> some Wilshberian poetry--Wilbur's, for instance. In fact, I like the stuff >> at the Wilbur end of Wilshberia better than the stuff at the "experimental" >> end of it. There's a lot of non-Wilshberian stuff I don't like, too. > So my "I have no idea if Bob will like it" is more true than ever. At > any rate, I think _Autobiography of Red_ is a work worth a few minutes > at least... > > c Okay, Chris, I'll keep an eye out for it. --Bob From ccooley at overdomain.com Thu Apr 14 19:26:50 2011 From: ccooley at overdomain.com (Crisman Cooley) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:26:50 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anne Carson Message-ID: My religion makes no sense and does not help me therefore I pursue it. When we see how simple it would have been we will thrash ourselves. I had a vision of all the people in the world who are searching for God massed in a room on one side of a partition that looks from the other side (God's side) transparent but we are blind. Our gestures are blind. Our blind gestures continue for some time until finally from somewhere on the other side of the partition there we are looking back at them. It is far too late. We see how brokenly how warily how ill our blind gestures parodied what God really wanted (some simple thing). The thought of it (this simple thing) is like a creature let loose in a room and battering to get out. It batters my soul with its rifle butt. --Anne Carson Glass, Irony & God 1995 === If you have a chance, read "The Reach" in her book _eros_ subtitled _the bittersweet_. It completely informs my current conception of the erotic and of Sappho. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for posting- David Graham wrote: >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 09:53:53 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (Amy King) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:53:53 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart Message-ID: <3j2nuov9y7swgd9xrbv0656a.1302875633351@email.android.com> Such good news! Thanks for posting- David Graham wrote: >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 16:49:01 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:49:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Michael Rothenberg: The 100 THOUSAND POETS FOR CHANGE blog is up and ready! Message-ID: Dear Organizers for 100 THOUSAND POETS FOR CHANGE, The 100 THOUSAND POETS FOR CHANGE blog is up and ready! Please go to http://www.bigbridge.org/100thousandpoetsforchange/ and check it out. Open up the map and you can see the many cities that are involved. Go to your own city and check the organizer and contact information. If you want me to add information, or if there are any errors, just send me a message and I'll be happy to make changes. As your event information develops we will add information to the event page for you. Note that you can comment on the event page too! Invite friends to comment, post poems, photos, etc.! The 100 THOUSAND POETS FOR CHANGE project is going very well. So far we have 75 cities representing over 15 countries organizing CHANGE. (And we have only been organizing for three weeks!) This grassroots movement has wheels! Let's keep it going strong. Please invite friends to attend the event at the FB Event Page http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=106999432715571 Organize an event. Spread the word! Thank you for your participation! Best to you, Michael -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 16:50:54 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:50:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart In-Reply-To: <3j2nuov9y7swgd9xrbv0656a.1302875633351@email.android.com> References: <3j2nuov9y7swgd9xrbv0656a.1302875633351@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hopefully. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Amy King wrote: > Such good news! Thanks for posting- > > David Graham wrote: > > >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > > > > > >======================================== > >David Graham > >grahamd at ripon.edu > > > >Home Page: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz > > > >Poetry Library: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > >========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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(1 hour ago) Sounds like things are going well, as far as can be told this soon. - Patricia On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Hopefully. > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Amy King wrote: >> >> Such good news! Thanks for posting- >> >> David Graham wrote: >> >> >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html >> > >> > >> >======================================== >> >David Graham >> >grahamd at ripon.edu >> > >> >Home Page: >> >http://web.me.com/drjazz >> > >> >Poetry Library: >> >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> >========================================== >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 15 18:54:20 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:54:20 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart In-Reply-To: References: <3j2nuov9y7swgd9xrbv0656a.1302875633351@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8CDC9D730991DA4-14A0-20F4B@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> It's funny this news sho -----Original Message----- From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart The update from Seth says: 1) From Deano's wife: "The surgeon says everything looks good-- the eart started beating as soon as they hooked it up." (11 hours ago) ) I wonder what the 22-year old who saved my uncle's life was hinking when he checked the "organ donor" box. ) Thanks for all the warm wishes today, friends. It's really a very appy day for my family. Thank you. (1 hour ago) Sounds like things are going well, as far as can be told this soon. - Patricia On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Anny Ballardini anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Amy King wrote: > > Such good news! Thanks for posting- > > David Graham wrote: > > >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > > > > > >======================================== > >David Graham > >grahamd at ripon.edu > > > >Home Page: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz > > > >Poetry Library: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > >========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Then today, when I got home from work, I spotted the card on my desk, and suddenly it dawned on me who had sent it. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart It's funny this news sho -----Original Message----- From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart The update from Seth says: 1) From Deano's wife: "The surgeon says everything looks good-- the eart started beating as soon as they hooked it up." (11 hours ago) ) I wonder what the 22-year old who saved my uncle's life was hinking when he checked the "organ donor" box. ) Thanks for all the warm wishes today, friends. It's really a very appy day for my family. Thank you. (1 hour ago) Sounds like things are going well, as far as can be told this soon. - Patricia On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Anny Ballardini anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Amy King wrote: > > Such good news! Thanks for posting- > > David Graham wrote: > > >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > > > > > >======================================== > >David Graham > >grahamd at ripon.edu > > > >Home Page: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz > > > >Poetry Library: > >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > >========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 02:31:18 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:31:18 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart In-Reply-To: <8CDC9D8767A842B-14A0-21089@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <3j2nuov9y7swgd9xrbv0656a.1302875633351@email.android.com> <8CDC9D730991DA4-14A0-20F4B@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <8CDC9D8767A842B-14A0-21089@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That is fine, as long as you use "it dawned on me" one of my favorite expressions. On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:03 AM, wrote: > Pardon my computer... > It's funny this news should show up today in my inbox, because only today, > an hour ago, did I realize who had sent me a postcard. > On one side of the mystery postcard was printed this haiku... > "A man pulling radishes > pointed my way > with a radish. > --Issa" > > On the other it said "Thanks a lot! ---Dean and Laurie" > > For a couple weeks now I've been trying to figure out "Who Dean and > Laurie?" and why did they send me this cryptic thank you card? Then today, > when I got home from work, I spotted the card on my desk, and suddenly it > dawned on me who had sent it. > Finnegan > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 6:54 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart > > It's funny this news sho > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 6:22 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dean Young's heart > > The update from Seth says: > > 1) From Deano's wife: "The surgeon says everything looks good-- the > heart started beating as soon as they hooked it up." (11 hours ago) > 2) I wonder what the 22-year old who saved my uncle's life was > thinking when he checked the "organ donor" box. > 3) Thanks for all the warm wishes today, friends. It's really a very > happy day for my family. Thank you. (1 hour ago) > > Sounds like things are going well, as far as can be told this soon. > > - Patricia > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > > Hopefully. > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Amy King wrote: > >> > >> Such good news! Thanks for posting- > >> > >> David Graham wrote: > >> > >> >http://isak.typepad.com/isak/2011/04/breaking-a-heart-for-dean-young.html > >> > > >> > > >> >======================================== > >> >David Graham > >> >grahamd at ripon.edu > >> > > >> >Home Page: > >> >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >> > > >> >Poetry Library: > >> >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > >> >========================================== > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >New-Poetry mailing list > >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > > star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > > Giovenale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccablepfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." 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On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/13/2011 7:22 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for the samples, James. > > --Bob > > > Pushkin Town > > It has rules. > And love. > And the first rule is. > The love of chance. > Some words of yours are very probably ore there. > Or will be by the time our eyes are ember. > > > Love Town > > She ran in. > Wet corn. > Yellow braid. > Down her back. > > > A Town I Have Heard Of > > ?In the middle of nowhere.? > Where. > Would that be? > Nice and quiet. > A rabbit. > Hopping across. > Nothing. > On the stove. > > > Town of Greta Garbo > > When my idol left it broke. > My back it broke my legs it. > Broke clouds in the sky broke. > Sounds I was. > Hearing still hear. > > > Judas Town > > Not a late hour not unlit rows. > Not olive trees not locks not heart. > Not moon not dark wood. > Not morsel not I. > > > Bride Town > > Hanging on the daylight black. > As an overcoat with no man in. > It one cold bright. > Noon the Demander was waiting for me. > > > Anne Carson > *Plainwater* (Vintage Books, 1995) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Takes the bait. 3) Please Hang Up and Try Again Don?t leave your wife or mother twisting in the wind, replace the receiver in its cradle thereby depressing those two buttons that close the line. Then lift it up, and try again. 4) Unlisted Numbers Often they?re odd, and often they?re even, but even so they?re on nobody?s list unless it?s one of those lists polizei use to trace numbers scrawled on matchbook covers or scrawled in blood on some wall in an alley behind some dive you?d never be caught dead in or alive. 5) Messages Left After the Tone Will be answered in the order in which they were received, and never in reverse order, so be sure that, if you?re having a real emergency, you get your call in early. Either that or call early and often. But if you know the number of the extension you want, dial that now and, chances are, someone may or may not be on hand to reply. 6) Returning Your Call You left me a message to call the other day but the other day came and went without my having time to return your call, which I?m doing now, despite the tone of urgency in your voice, which, for a moment, disturbed me. 7) On Hold Our lines are unusually busy today, and we?re sorry to have to put you on hold. If your call is urgent please select Chopin?s Minute Waltz from the list you are given to choose from. If your call is less pressing choose, perhaps, something by Wagner or maybe Morton Feldman. Then settle in for a listen. Your responses times may, of course, vary. 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Takes the bait. 3) Please Hang Up and Try Again Don?t leave your wife or mother twisting in the wind, replace the receiver in its cradle thereby depressing those two buttons that close the line. Then lift it up, and try again. 4) Unlisted Numbers Often they?re odd, and often they?re even, but even so they?re on nobody?s list unless it?s one of those lists polizei use to trace numbers scrawled on matchbook covers or scrawled in blood on some wall in an alley behind some dive you?d never be caught dead in or alive. 5) Messages Left After the Tone Will be answered in the order in which they were received, and never in reverse order, so be sure that, if you?re having a real emergency, you get your call in early. Either that or call early and often. But if you know the number of the extension you want, dial that now and, chances are, someone may or may not be on hand to reply. 6) Returning Your Call You left me a message to call the other day but the other day came and went without my having time to return your call, which I?m doing now, despite the tone of urgency in your voice, which, for a moment, disturbed me. 7) On Hold Our lines are unusually busy today, and we?re sorry to have to put you on hold. If your call is urgent please select Chopin?s Minute Waltz from the list you are given to choose from. If your call is less pressing choose, perhaps, something by Wagner or maybe Morton Feldman. Then settle in for a listen. Your response times may, of course, vary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 02:20:12 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:20:12 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ahsahta Press is discounting Message-ID: Click to view this email in a browser [image: AprilMasthead] This Season?s Books at 20% Discount! [image: springbooks]What a great review of our spring books in Library Journal! All our spring releases were mentioned, and the press itself got the lovely shoutout above. Here is the rest of Hoffert?s writeup: Brian Henry?s *Lessness* (Ashahta. 112p. ISBN 9781934103203. pap. $17.50), which includes the occasional arresting cross-out (still readable) or completely blacked-out word, is one blasted but mournfully beautiful landscape (?My nation is a pasture horseless in demeanor?). Protean and in-your-face Kirsten Kaschock (*A Beautiful Name for a Girl*. 112p. ISBN 9781934103173. pap. $17.50), an English Ph.D. and now a doctoral fellow in dance, offers a second collection that just can?t be summed up; one poem is titled ?Houdini Dies. I Teach His Obituary,? another starts ?Mother wanted to make me available to the gypsies. I won?t call you/ what you are.? In *Utopia Minus* (104p. ISBN 9781934103197. pap. $17.50), Susan Briante declares that she studies ?new urbanism, racial/ uprisings, cultural memory,/ patterns of glassworks/ on some foreign field of sand? and goes on to offer shuttered buildings, tattered state fairs, the ?lonely country? of sex, and this lovely line: ?Starlings in the magnolia tree crackle, static, lightning.? James Meetze, whose *Dayglo* (88p. ISBN 9781934103180. pap. $17.50) is the 2010 Sawtooth Poetry Prize winner, offers lyrical sweetness in lines brought down to the essentials: ?In our city of a year, or whatever/ lark we might be onto/ we always say (inescapably)/ we?re almost there, but it?s only weather, only gold.? A dayglowy Rae Armantrout? If you haven't picked up these titles, now?s your chance to take advantage of a 20% discount on each of them?just click hereto go to the website! ------------------------------ Chapbook Contest Opens Soon! Ahsahta makes a commitment to the chapbook-length book starting NOW with its first-ever chapbook contest, to be judged by Cathy Wagner. Entries will be accepted beginning May 1 and until June 30. Full detailsare on our website! 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Susan has new work forthcoming in the May edition of Evening Will Come . Portions of 100 Notes on Violence by Julie Carr were translated into Russian by Aleksy Porvin, and are available here. She reads at Open Books in Seattle, WA, on May 25, and for Poetry Flash in Oakland, CA, on May 26. Ahsahta's managing editor Jodi Chilson and her husband Tony welcomed a baby boy, Jonathan Robert Chilson, on April 15. Congratulations! Sandra Doller?s third book, *Man Years*, was recently published by Subito Press (UC Boulder); she read with Ben Doller in Boulder on April 5. Sandra?s press, 1913, has put out two fine books this year?*Wonderbender *by Diane Wald & *Home/Birth: A Poemic* by Arielle Greenberg & Rachel Zucker?plus another issue of *1913 a journal of forms *& another issue of* READ,* the inter-translation anthology. 1913 Press is currently holding a reading period for first books of any genre, to be selected by Fanny Howe. Laura Carter reviewed Kate Greenstreet?s The Last Four Things on her blog Pinkaholic. Kate reads with Kit Robinson, Ryan Eckes, and Matthew Landis at Fergie?s Pub in Philadelphia on April 15, 7 pm. Brian Henry is launching Lessness in Richmond, Virginia, on April 17. He?ll be at the Princeton Poetry Festival April 30. Janet Holmes joined poets Matthea Harvey, Eric Lorberer, and Travis Macdonald at the Walker Art Center on April 7 to present their erasure works in an event sponsored by the Walker and Rain Taxi. Galatea Resurrects takes a look at Brenda Iijima?s If Not Metamorphic not just once, but twicein its new issue. She reads in the Triptych Reading Seriesat the 11th Street Bar (510 E. 11th Street, NYC) on April 18 at 7 pm with Urayoan Noel and Justin Petropoulos, and at the Dia Center for the Arts(535 W. 22nd St., #4) on April 21st at 6:30 pm with Michael Lally. Kirsten Kaschock?s A Beautiful Name for a Girl was also reviewed on Laura Carter's Pinkaholicblog. * * *Karla Kelsey* reads in the Prague Microfestival as part of the Vlak Magazinelaunch on May 18 at 6 pm. Kr?sn? Ztr?ty, N?prstkova 10, Praha 1, Star? M?sto, Prague. Rachel Loden?s poem ?My Cupboards,? from her book *Dick of the Dead*, is one of those selected for the Fourth Annual Pocket Poem Giveaway at Mrs. Dalloway?s in Berkeley, along with poems by Michael McClure, Craig Santos Perez and others. Poems will be available all during the month of April in connection with National Poem in Your Pocket Day, Thursday, April 14. See the details here . Kristi Maxwell will be on the Joe Milford Poetry Showon April 23. Aaron McCollough will be reading with Brian Foley, Amy Catanzano, and Richard Froude as part of the Bad Shadow Affair reading series at 7:30 pm on April 23 at Lost Lakes Lounge in Denver. G.E. Patterson will be one of the readers at the Great Twin Cities Poetry Read on April 29 at Normandale Community College (9700 France Avenue S., Bloomington; 952-358-8200 for more information). The event runs from 7:30 to 9:30 pm. Heather Sellers is teaching a memoir workshop at Kripaluthis summer, and reading in Chicago, Lansing, Grand Rapids, and New York. See the events pageat her website for all the details! Stephanie Strickland will be reading in Norway in connection with the introduction of the Electronic Literature Collection/2, which contains *slippingglimpse*, as published on CD in *Zone : Zero *on April 28, and at the University of Bergen, Norway, on May 2*. *On May 7, she?ll be reading for CROWD magazine at Cafe Orwell (247 Varet Street, L train to Morgan Avenue) in Bushwick, Brooklyn, at 7 pm. She?ll read with Nick Montfort at 7 pm on May 17 at e-Poetry 2011, at the Squeaky Wheel (712 Main Street) in Buffalo, NY. Chris Vitiello read in the Ruthless Grip series in the Washington, D.C., area on April 8. He read from Obedience (forthcoming from Ahsahta in the fall) and also performed a toy theater piece called ?The Anteceders.? ------------------------------ Join Us on Facebook! [image: facebook1 2]If you?re on Facebook, search out the Ahsahta Press page and click ?Like? to become a friend of ours. You can keep up with events Ahsahta Press authors have, learn about new reviews, and generally stay abreast of what?s happening with the Press. <#12f5ff114eadadc4_> ------------------------------ If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe ------------------------------ Ahsahta Press Boise State University 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1525 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. 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That?s where the similarities end; while Canada Reads plays out on-air, Canada Reads Poetry plays out online. http://www.cbc.ca/books/canadareads/ Today, Anne Simpson discusses Nox, by Anne Carson. For more, visit CBC Books. And please join the panelists for a roundtable discussion Wednesday, April 20 at 2 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 02:16:52 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:16:52 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] eccolinguistics Message-ID: Our own Jared Schickling's Eccolinguistics: http://eccolinguistics.blogspot.com/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Tue Apr 19 07:33:54 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Mike Snider) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:33:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kay Ryan wins Hall-Kenyon Prize In-Reply-To: <8CDCC043386382C-1C94-3EECA@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDCC043386382C-1C94-3EECA@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: And now she's got the Pulitzer! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, wrote: > http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/251893/hall-kenyon-poetry-prize-goes-to-ryan > > The latest honor bestowed on her is the Donald Hall-Jane Kenyon Prize in > American Poetry, an award given by the Concord Monitor and the New Hampshire > Writers' Project. The $5,000 prize was established last year in the name of > renowned Granite State poets Donald Hall and Jane Kenyon. > > Ryan, who was traveling last week and could not be reached for comment, is a > "poet of speculation," according to Wesley McNair, a fellow poet and New > Hampshire native who chose her for the award. > > "Robert Frost once called a poem a 'think,' by which he meant a thought in > motion. Her poems are thinks," McNair said. "Her poems are small and they're > made of details from the familiar world, but the startling way that she > recombines the details gives us this fresh view of the world that is hers > alone." > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 19 09:42:07 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:42:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Kenneth Koch's "In My Fifties" In-Reply-To: <1009679917764.1107609345.1303216264264@enginex2.emv2.com> References: <1009679917764.1107609345.1303216264264@enginex2.emv2.com> Message-ID: <8CDCCAEB5BCEE8D-1D10-4DDBD@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Click here to view this poem on the Knopf Poetry site POEM-A-DAY | TWITTER | FACEBOOK | YOUTUBE | FLICKR The titles of the poems in Kenneth Koch's New Addresses?"To Life," "To My Father's Business," "To World War Two," "To Kidding Around," "To Testosterone," "To Knowledge, My Skeleton, and An Aesthetic Concept," "To My Heart as I Go Along"?are almost as fun to read as the poems themselves, which are signature Koch: highly quirky and personal but also entirely universal; free-wheeling; open to risk and to nonstandard approaches, both poetic and emotional. To My Fifties I should say something to you Now that you have departed over the mountains Leaving me to my sixties and seventies, not hopeful of your return, O you, who seemed to mark the end of life, who ever would have thought that you would burn With such sexual fires as you did? I wound up in you Some work I had started long before. You were A time for completion and for destruction. My Marriage had ended. In you I sensed trying to find A way out of you actually that wasn't toward non-existence. I thought, "All over." You cried, "I'm here!" You were like traveling In this sense, but on one's own With no tour guide or even the train schedule. As a "Prime of Life" I missed you. You seemed an incompletion made up of completions Unacquainted with each other. How could this be happening? I thought. Or What should it mean, exactly, that I am fifty-seven? I wanted to be always feeling desire. Now you're a young age to me. And, in you, as at every other time I thought that one year would last forever. "I did the best possible. I lasted my full ten years. Now I'm responsible For someone else's decade and haven't time to talk to you, which is a shame Since I can never come back." My Fifties! Answer me one question! Were you the culmination or a phase? "Neither and both." Explain! "No time. Farewell!" More on this poem and author: Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. Learn more about New Addresses Learn more about Collected Poems Buy the Book Buy the Book Excerpt from COLLECTED POEMS. Copyright ? 2005 by The Kenneth Koch Literary Estate. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. 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The issues happen in response to what arrives, so no preconditions. Space is an issue so editing of pieces sometimes happens (not everyone's happy when this happens) -- in such cases everything is run by the author first ----- If anyone is in fact interested, please help my sanity and write to eccolinguistics at hotmail.com Currently collecting material for next issue --- Jared : eccolinguistics : : delete press : : reconfigurations : > From: new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:00:01 -0400 > > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kay Ryan wins Hall-Kenyon Prize (jforjames at aol.com) > 2. on Carson's Nox (jforjames at aol.com) > 3. eccolinguistics (Anny Ballardini) > 4. Fwd: Your friend DidiMenendez just published something > (Anny Ballardini) > 5. Re: Kay Ryan wins Hall-Kenyon Prize (Mike Snider) > 6. Fwd: Kenneth Koch's "In My Fifties" (jforjames at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:21:34 -0400 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Kay Ryan wins Hall-Kenyon Prize > Message-ID: <8CDCC043386382C-1C94-3EECA at webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/251893/hall-kenyon-poetry-prize-goes-to-ryan > > The latest honor bestowed on her is the Donald Hall-Jane Kenyon Prize in American Poetry, an award given by the Concord Monitor and the New Hampshire Writers' Project. The $5,000 prize was established last year in the name of renowned Granite State poets Donald Hall and Jane Kenyon. > > Ryan, who was traveling last week and could not be reached for comment, is a "poet of speculation," according to Wesley McNair, a fellow poet and New Hampshire native who chose her for the award. > > "Robert Frost once called a poem a 'think,' by which he meant a thought in motion. Her poems are thinks," McNair said. "Her poems are small and they're made of details from the familiar world, but the startling way that she recombines the details gives us this fresh view of the world that is hers alone." > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:37:36 -0400 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] on Carson's Nox > Message-ID: <8CDCC0671008C37-1C94-3F2BF at webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/04/18/canada-reads-poetry-anne-simpson-on-nox-by-anne-carson/ > > Canada Reads Poetry is a three-week online initiative presented by CBC Books and the National Post. Inspired by the original Canada Reads format, Canada Reads Poetry features five panelists defending five collections of poetry. That?s where the similarities end; while Canada Reads plays out on-air, Canada Reads Poetry plays out online. > > http://www.cbc.ca/books/canadareads/ > > Today, Anne Simpson discusses Nox, by Anne Carson. For more, visit CBC Books. 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:19:08 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Your friend DidiMenendez just published > something > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Another great one by Menendez > > DidiMenendez just uploaded this interesting publication. > [image: > Open publication] > OCHO #31 > edited by Didi Menendez - April 2011. > Open publication Don't > forget to bookmark this publication to share it with your other friends. > About bookmarks > Whenever you bookmark something, it will show up in the Sections of your > friends and people who have added you to their Follow-list. It's a great way > of sharing interesting publications, so bookmark as often as you can. > View Bookmarks Change email settings > You can easily change what emails to receive > here > . > ------------------------------ > Issuu is the place for online publications: Magazines, catalogs, > documents, and stuff you'd normally find on print. It's the place where you > become the publisher: Upload a document, it's fast, easy, and totally free. > Find and comment on thousands of great publications. Join a living library, > where anyone finds publications about anything and share them with friends. > > Explore / My Library / > Upload / Settings / > FAQ / Terms > / Copyright > FAQ > > Copyright ? Issuu Inc. 2011. 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:33:54 -0400 > From: Mike Snider > To: NewPoetry List > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kay Ryan wins Hall-Kenyon Prize > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > And now she's got the Pulitzer! > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, wrote: > > http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/251893/hall-kenyon-poetry-prize-goes-to-ryan > > > > The latest honor bestowed on her is the Donald Hall-Jane Kenyon Prize in > > American Poetry, an award given by the Concord Monitor and the New Hampshire > > Writers' Project. The $5,000 prize was established last year in the name of > > renowned Granite State poets Donald Hall and Jane Kenyon. > > > > Ryan, who was traveling last week and could not be reached for comment, is a > > "poet of speculation," according to Wesley McNair, a fellow poet and New > > Hampshire native who chose her for the award. > > > > "Robert Frost once called a poem a 'think,' by which he meant a thought in > > motion. Her poems are thinks," McNair said. "Her poems are small and they're > > made of details from the familiar world, but the startling way that she > > recombines the details gives us this fresh view of the world that is hers > > alone." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:42:07 -0400 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Kenneth Koch's "In My Fifties" > Message-ID: <8CDCCAEB5BCEE8D-1D10-4DDBD at webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > Click here to view this poem on the Knopf Poetry site > > > > > > > > > > POEM-A-DAY | TWITTER | FACEBOOK | YOUTUBE | FLICKR > > > > > The titles of the poems in Kenneth Koch's New Addresses?"To Life," "To My Father's Business," "To World War Two," "To Kidding Around," "To Testosterone," "To Knowledge, My Skeleton, and An Aesthetic Concept," "To My Heart as I Go Along"?are almost as fun to read as the poems themselves, which are signature Koch: highly quirky and personal but also entirely universal; free-wheeling; open to risk and to nonstandard approaches, both poetic and emotional. > > > > > To My Fifties > I should say something to you > Now that you have departed over the mountains > Leaving me to my sixties and seventies, not hopeful of your return, > O you, who seemed to mark the end of life, who ever would have thought that you would burn > With such sexual fires as you did? I wound up in you > Some work I had started long before. You were > A time for completion and for destruction. My > Marriage had ended. In you I sensed trying to find > A way out of you actually that wasn't toward non-existence. > I thought, "All over." You cried, "I'm here!" You were like traveling > In this sense, but on one's own > With no tour guide or even the train schedule. > As a "Prime of Life" I missed you. You seemed an incompletion made up of completions > Unacquainted with each other. How could this be happening? I thought. Or > What should it mean, exactly, that I am fifty-seven? I wanted to be always feeling desire. > Now you're a young age to me. And, in you, as at every other time > I thought that one year would last forever. > "I did the best possible. I lasted my full ten years. Now I'm responsible > For someone else's decade and haven't time to talk to you, which is a shame > Since I can never come back." My Fifties! Answer me one question! > Were you the culmination or a phase? "Neither and both." Explain! "No time. Farewell!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More on this poem and author: > > Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook, and peruse other poems. > Learn more about New Addresses > Learn more about Collected Poems > > Buy the Book > Buy the Book > > > Excerpt from COLLECTED POEMS. Copyright ? 2005 by The Kenneth Koch Literary Estate. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. > > We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to aaknopf at randomhouse.com, or leave us a note on Facebook or Twitter. > > > > > > KNOPF | DOUBLEDAY | PANTHEON | SCHOCKEN | VINTAGE / ANCHOR | NAN A. 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Just a reminder that Whale Sound takes third-party submissions, which have turned out to be the best kind of submission: http://bit.ly/8Yn21i Best, Nic Nic Sebastian Whale Sound Forever Will End on Thursday Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:38:07 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Evelyn Posamentier http://whalesound.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/eleven-brains-by-evelyn-posamentier/Eleven Brains by Evelyn Posamentier read by Nic Sebastian. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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If you'd like copies, I have a few of #2 left, and there'll be future issues, all I need is an address. > > The issues happen in response to what arrives, so no preconditions. Space is an issue so editing of pieces sometimes happens (not everyone's happy when this happens) -- in such cases everything is run by the author first ----- > > If anyone is in fact interested, please help my sanity and write to eccolinguistics at hotmail.com > > Currently collecting material for next issue --- > > Jared > > : eccolinguistics : > : delete press : > : reconfigurations : > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The $5,000 prize was established last year in the name of renowned Granite State poets Donald Hall and Jane Kenyon. Ryan, who was traveling last week and could not be reached for comment, is a "poet of speculation," according to Wesley McNair, a fellow poet and New Hampshire native who chose her for the award. "Robert Frost once called a poem a 'think,' by which he meant a thought in motion. Her poems are thinks," McNair said. "Her poems are small and they're made of details from the familiar world, but the startling way that she recombines the details gives us this fresh view of the world that is hers alone." _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reading and speaking at Trinity College, St. Joseph, and U of Hartford. http://www.danagioia.net/ He is a performative reader. Much of his poetry is memorized. His reading (qua recitation) well planned out. He announced at the beginning "I will read 10 poems tonight." One poem was a longer dramatic monologue. A couple of the poems were light verse. It was difficult at first to adjust to hearing a poet recite so many poems from memory (outside of a slam event). But he engaged the audience like a well-spoken revivalist. He spent a good deal of time between poems giving context and explaining the impetus for the particular poem to be read. Afterwards he answered questions. And he told a few amusing anecdotes about his time as NEA Director. It was a very winning performance. August Kleinzahler was in town this week. Reading at UConn and at the Hartford Classical Magnet High. He thanked the introducer as he came to the stage but immediately launched into his first poem. He said almost nothing between poems. Just a pause between each one. He looked down at his text while reading by and large. And yet in certain places he affected voices and dialects while reading that were truly performative. Especially in a poem like "The Dog Stultz," when he spoke as though he was a dog. He had a dememor of being casual and laid back in his reading; but with a kind of forceful gravelly tone that made one pay attention: a 'listen up, buddy' style. It was a very winning performance. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 20 21:22:24 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:22:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.S. Thomas Message-ID: <8CDCDD9B427C311-1EC4-66B0@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/by-topic/r-s-thomas-poet-of-the-cross/8661/ April 20th, 2011 R.S. Thomas: Poet of the Cross by David E. Anderson R.S. Thomas, the Welsh poet and Anglican priest who died a little more than a decade ago, left a body of work that is slowly becoming recognized as among the best and most important religious poetry of the twentieth century. Like the century itself, however, it is not easily orthodox or pretty. Its bleak moods and near despair reflect the pull of doubt that defined those decades for many, including believers. As such, it stands outside the mainstream of the dominant, God-affirming, sacramental poetry that looks back to Gerard Manley Hopkins?s affirmation that ?the world is charged with the grandeur of God.? Yet Hopkins was also the poet of the ?terrible sonnets??bitter spiritual laments that Thomas described as ?but a human repetition of the cry from the cross?: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a lovely lovely poem and was wonderful to work with. > > Just a reminder that *Whale Sound* takes third-party submissions, which > have turned out to be the best kind of submission: http://bit.ly/8Yn21i > > Best, Nic > > Nic Sebastian > > Whale Sound > > Forever Will End on Thursday > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:38:07 +0200 > From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] Evelyn Posamentier > > > > http://whalesound.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/eleven-brains-by-evelyn-posamentier/ > Eleven Brains by Evelyn Posamentier read by Nic Sebastian. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Just a reminder that Whale Sound takes third-party submissions, which have turned out to be the best kind of submission: http://bit.ly/8Yn21i Best, Nic Nic Sebastian Whale Sound Forever Will End on Thursday Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:38:07 +0200 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Evelyn Posamentier http://whalesound.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/eleven-brains-by-evelyn-posamentier/Eleven Brains by Evelyn Posamentier read by Nic Sebastian. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Gander and Bringhurst will read their poems at 6:45 p.m., on Thursday, April 21, in the Mumford Room on the sixth floor of the James Madison Building, 101 Independence Ave., S.E., Washington, D.C. The event is free and open to the public; tickets are not required. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 23:07:43 2011 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:07:43 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Iranian girl Neda Soltani shot, killed as Iranian Revolutionary ... You +1'd this publicly. Undo Jun 22, 2009 ... Iranian protestors were assailed by police and threatened by the Revolutionary ... Iran's most powerful military force, the Revolutionary Guard, ... The alleged shootings, as usual, are from,unknown (foreign) snipers. ... www.collegenews.com/index.php?/.../iranian...protestors... - Cached - Similar To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:42 -0400 From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has been killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the ruling regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, during protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Knox 4/10 Randall Mann 4/11 CAConrad 4/12 Ada Lim?n 4/13 Graham Foust 4/14 Evie Shockley 4/15 Jen Bervin 4/16 Ken Chen 4/17 Sherwin Bitsui 4/18 Noah Eli Gordon 4/19 Ronaldo Wilson 4/20 Nate Pritts 4/21 Danielle Pafunda 4/22 Amy King 4/23 Ching-in Chen 4/24 John Gallaher 4/25 Srikanth Reddy 4/26 Jericho Brown 4/27 Gabrielle Calvocoressi 4/28 Kazim Ali 4/29 Lyrae Van Clief-Stefanon 4/30 Dorothea Lasky ? ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What a powerful story! - Patricia On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 > Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has been > killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. > Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the ruling > regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, during > protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 09:31:03 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <466495.28685.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed!? ? ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** ________________________________ From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. What a powerful story! - Patricia On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: > http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 > Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has been > killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. > Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the ruling > regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, during > protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. 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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, amy king wrote: > Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed! > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/ > ******** > ________________________________ > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > > I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of > it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. > > > > What a powerful story! > > - Patricia > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: >> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 >> Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >> A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has been >> killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. >> Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the >> ruling >> regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, during >> protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." Anonymous. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 09:44:53 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> <466495.28685.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <317173.87934.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sorry, no.? I don't really Tweet but am today for the Academy --? http://twitter.com/#!/POETSorg Really, I'm just asking questions and saying random things that I hope are semi-important, pointing people in good directions, etc. Amy ? ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** ________________________________ From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet Sorry, I missed something. Academy's Twitter feed? :) Do we have a list of folk here on Twitter? I am @pfanderson ... On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, amy king wrote: > Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed! > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/ > ******** > ________________________________ > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > > I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of > it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. > > > > What a powerful story! > > - Patricia > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: >> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 >> Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >> A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has been >> killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. >> Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the >> ruling >> regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, during >> protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. 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URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 09:49:14 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:49:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: <317173.87934.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> <466495.28685.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <317173.87934.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Aha! Excellent! I already follow them. Wonderful! Thank you very much. - Patricia On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM, amy king wrote: > Sorry, no.? I don't really Tweet but am today for the Academy -- > http://twitter.com/#!/POETSorg > Really, I'm just asking questions and saying random things that I hope are > semi-important, pointing people in good directions, etc. > Amy > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/ > ******** > ________________________________ > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > > Sorry, I missed something. Academy's Twitter feed? :) Do we have a > list of folk here on Twitter? I am @pfanderson ... > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, amy king wrote: >> Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed! >> >> ********* >> VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts >> +?Interviews >> Amy's Alias >> +?http://amyking.org/ >> ******** >> ________________________________ >> From: Patricia F Anderson >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >> >> I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of >> it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. >> >> >> >> What a powerful story! >> >> - Patricia >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: >>> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 >>> Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >>> A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has >>> been >>> killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. >>> Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the >>> ruling >>> regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, >>> during >>> protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable >> pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com >> Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University >> of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >> "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will >> give you the right one." Anonymous. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." Anonymous. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 10:04:38 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:04:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Haydn Message-ID: The Seven Last Words of Christ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNa7AUPXZtw -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Apr 22 10:48:43 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:48:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews Message-ID: A poem for the birthday of the great Charles Mingus. Mingus at The Showplace I was miserable, of course, for I was seventeen, and so I swung into action and wrote a poem, and it was miserable, for that was how I thought poetry worked: you digested experience and shat literature. It was 1960 at The Showplace, long since defunct, on West 4th St., and I sat at the bar, casting beer money from a thin reel of ones, the kid in the city, big ears like a puppy. And I knew Mingus was a genius. I knew two other things, but as it happened they were wrong. So I made him look at the poem. "There's a lot of that going around," he said, and Sweet Baby Jesus he was right. He glowered at me but he didn't look as if he thought bad poems were dangerous, the way some poets do. If they were baseball executives they'd plot to destroy sandlots everywhere so that the game could be saved from children. Of course later that night he fired his pianist in mid-number and flurried him from the stand. "We've suffered a diminuendo in personnel," he explained, and the band played on. William Matthews Time & Money Houghton Mifflin Company ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Apr 22 14:11:47 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:11:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> A poem for the birthday of the great Charles Mingus. > > > > *Mingus at The Showplace* > > I was miserable, of course, for I was seventeen, > and so I swung into action and wrote a poem, > > and it was miserable, for that was how I thought > poetry worked: you digested experience and shat > > literature. It was 1960 at The Showplace, long since > defunct, on West 4th St., and I sat at the bar, > > casting beer money from a thin reel of ones, > the kid in the city, big ears like a puppy. > > And I knew Mingus was a genius. I knew two > other things, but as it happened they were wrong. > > So I made him look at the poem. > "There's a lot of that going around," he said, > > and Sweet Baby Jesus he was right. He glowered > at me but he didn't look as if he thought > > bad poems were dangerous, the way some poets do. > If they were baseball executives they'd plot > > to destroy sandlots everywhere so that the game > could be saved from children. Of course later > > that night he fired his pianist in mid-number > and flurried him from the stand. > > "We've suffered a diminuendo in personnel," > he explained, and the band played on. > > William Matthews > /Time & Money/ > Houghton Mifflin Company > > Good poem. Makes me wonder if he was influenced or influenced Bukowski. Seems like something by Bukowski, Wilshberianized. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 13:06:29 2011 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> <466495.28685.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <317173.87934.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <536533.18312.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ?Hopefully it brought a bit of attention the poem, and its impetus. Best, Amy ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** ________________________________ From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet Aha! Excellent! I already follow them. Wonderful! Thank you very much. - Patricia On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM, amy king wrote: > Sorry, no.? I don't really Tweet but am today for the Academy -- > http://twitter.com/#!/POETSorg > Really, I'm just asking questions and saying random things that I hope are > semi-important, pointing people in good directions, etc. > Amy > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/ > ******** > ________________________________ > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > > Sorry, I missed something. Academy's Twitter feed? :) Do we have a > list of folk here on Twitter? I am @pfanderson ... > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, amy king wrote: >> Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed! >> >> ********* >> VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts >> +?Interviews >> Amy's Alias >> +?http://amyking.org/ >> ******** >> ________________________________ >> From: Patricia F Anderson >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >> >> I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of >> it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. >> >> >> >> What a powerful story! >> >> - Patricia >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: >>> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 >>> Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >>> A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has >>> been >>> killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. >>> Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the >>> ruling >>> regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, >>> during >>> protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews reported. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable >> pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com >> Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University >> of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >> "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will >> give you the right one." Anonymous. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." Anonymous. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 22 13:43:50 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:43:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jazzonia: Jazz and the Poetry of Langston Hughes Message-ID: <8CDCF2BF9413FA6-DE8-14F8D@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wpr/.artsmain/article/11/1036/1785506/Radio/Jazzonia.Jazz.and.the.Poetry.of.Langston.Hughes This week on Riverwalk Jazz, theater legend William Warfield joins The Jim Cullum Jazz Band in an encore presentation, combining Mr. Warfield's masterful readings of Langston Hughes' poems with musical selections by Duke Ellington and James P. Johnson. [AUDIO] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 14:15:09 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:15:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet In-Reply-To: <536533.18312.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDCDD29F2CCAAF-1EC4-5EB8@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com> <466495.28685.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <317173.87934.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <536533.18312.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Absolutely! A dozen new views. Thanks! - Patricia On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:06 PM, amy king wrote: > > ?Hopefully it brought a bit of attention the poem, and its impetus. > > Best, > > Amy > > ********* > VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts > +?Interviews > Amy's Alias > +?http://amyking.org/ > ******** > ________________________________ > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet > > Aha! Excellent! I already follow them. Wonderful! Thank you very much. > - Patricia > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM, amy king wrote: >> Sorry, no.? I don't really Tweet but am today for the Academy -- >> http://twitter.com/#!/POETSorg >> Really, I'm just asking questions and saying random things that I hope are >> semi-important, pointing people in good directions, etc. >> Amy >> >> ********* >> VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts >> +?Interviews >> Amy's Alias >> +?http://amyking.org/ >> ******** >> ________________________________ >> From: Patricia F Anderson >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >> >> Sorry, I missed something. Academy's Twitter feed? :) Do we have a >> list of folk here on Twitter? I am @pfanderson ... >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, amy king wrote: >>> Thanks for that -- posted to Academy's Twitter feed! >>> >>> ********* >>> VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts >>> +?Interviews >>> Amy's Alias >>> +?http://amyking.org/ >>> ******** >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Patricia F Anderson >>> To: NewPoetry List >>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >>> >>> I just wanted to thank James for posting this. I made a villanelle of >>> it the same day for my NaPoWriMo blog. >>> >>> >>> >>> What a powerful story! >>> >>> - Patricia >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM,? wrote: >>>> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=239102 >>>> Bahraini forces rape, kill female poet >>>> A female Bahraini activist who has composed anti-government poems has >>>> been >>>> killed, after being arrested and raped by Manama forces. >>>> Ayat al-Ghermezi, 20, had recited her poems, in which she slammed the >>>> ruling >>>> regime and Bahraini Prime Minister Khalifah Ibn Salman al-Khalifah, >>>> during >>>> protests in Pearl Square in the capital city, Manama, Fardanews >>>> reported. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable >>> pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com >>> Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University >>> of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >>> "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will >>> give you the right one." Anonymous. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable >> pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com >> Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University >> of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >> "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will >> give you the right one." Anonymous. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." 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To the contributors, my very special acknowledgment. * * *New Authors on the Corner:* * * *Adriano Kestenholz* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=383 * ** * * * * *Lori Desrosiers* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=384 * ** * * * * *Donna Kuhn* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=385 * ** * * * * *Barbara Ellen Sorensen* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=386 * ** * * * * *Martha Deed* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=387 * * * * * *Dawn Leslie Lenz* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=388 * ** * * *Amy Kohut* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=389 * * * *Jane Sprague* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=390 * ** * * *Pam Bernard* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=391 * ** * * *Lunn Domina* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=392 * ** * * *Ernesto Priego* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=394 * * * *Marc Olmsted* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=395 * * * *Paul Nelson* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=396 * ** * * *Kathy Figueroa* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=397 * ** * * *Karen Margolis* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=398 * ** * * *Basil King* * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=399 * ** * * * * * * *New Poems by already featured Authors:* * * *Elizabeth Smither* Amy brings the thesaurus http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3479 *Edward Mycue* DYING LET IT GO http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3481 GARDENING WITH FIVE SISTERS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3519 EVERYDAY BANE AND PROMISE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3520 A DEMOCRACY OF ONE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3530 FISHBOWL http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3593 HE WANTED TO BE LOVED FOR HIMSELF http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3594 DON?T BE LIKE THE SNAKE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3595 * * * * *Jerry McGuire* NOT-LAUGHING GAS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3483 THE TREMORS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3484 THE HUEY LONG TRANSPORT CENTER AND VALENTINE EQUIPMENT REPAIR STAGING AREA http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3485 MY HULA GIRL http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3486 RUMMAGE SALE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3487 A PLEASURE TO KNOW http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3488 ?NATURE ABHORS THE SUPERFLUOUS? 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On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:14 AM, wrote: > Easter Morning > > I have a life that did not become, > that turned aside and stopped, > astonished: > I hold it in me like a pregnancy or > as on my lap a child > not to grow old but dwell on > > it is to his grave I most > frequently return and return > to ask what is wrong, what was > wrong, to see it all by > the light of a different necessity > but the grave will not heal > and the child, > stirring, must share my grave > with me, an old man having > gotten by on what was left > > when I go back to my home country in these > fresh far-away days, it?s convenient to visit > everybody, aunts and uncles, those who used to say, > look how he?s shooting up, and the > trinket aunts who always had a little > something in their pocketbooks, cinnamon bark > or a penny or nickel, and uncles who > were the rumored fathers of cousins > who whispered of them as of great, if > troubled, presences, and school > > teachers, just about everybody older > (and some younger) collected in one place > waiting, particularly, but not for > me, mother and father there, too, and others > close, close as burrowing > under skin, all in the graveyard > assembled, done for, the world they > used to wield, have trouble and joy > in, gone > > the child in me that could not become > was not ready for others to go, > to go on into change, blessings and > horrors, but stands there by the road > where the mishap occurred, crying out for > help, come and fix this or we > can?t get by, but the great ones who > were to return, they could not or did > not hear and went on in a flurry and > now, I say in the graveyard, here > lies the flurry, now it can?t come > back with help or helpful asides, now > we all buy the bitter > incompletions, pick up the knots of > horror, silently raving, and go on > crashing into empty ends not > completions, not rondures the fullness > has come into and spent itself from > > I stand on the stump > of a child, whether myself > or my little brother who died, and > yell as far as I can, I cannot leave this place, for > for me it is the dearest and the worst, > it is life nearest to life which is > life lost: it is my place where > I must stand and fail, > calling attention with tears > to the branches not lofting > boughs into space, to the barren > air that holds the world that was my world > > though the incompletions > (& completions) burn out > standing in the flash high-burn > momentary structure of ash, still it > is a picture-book, letter-perfect > Easter morning: I have been for a > walk: the wind is tranquil: the brook > works without flashing in an abundant > tranquility: the birds are lively with > voice: I saw something I had > never seen before: two great birds, > maybe eagles, blackwinged, whitenecked > and ?headed, came from the south oaring > the great wings steadily; they went > directly over me, high up, and kept on > due north: but then one bird, > the one behind, veered a little to the > left and the other bird kept on seeming > not to notice for a minute: the first > began to circle as if looking for > something, coasting, resting its wings > on the down side of some of the circles: > the other bird came back and they both > circled, looking perhaps for a draft; > they turned a few more times, possibly > rising?at least, clearly resting? > then flew on falling into distance till > they broke across the local bush and > trees: it was a sight of bountiful > majesty and integrity: the having > patterns and routes, breaking > from them to explore other patterns or > better ways to routes, and then the > return: a dance sacred as the sap in > the trees, permanent in its descriptions > as the ripples round the brook?s > ripplestone: fresh as this particular > flood of burn breaking across us now > from the sun. > > > A. R. Ammons > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 10:13:47 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 07:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Is this the late William Matthews? He knew his jazz. It has a Bukowski feel to it, but more formal. The Buk rarely went the way of couplets. Cool poem. The line about Mingus not being afraid of bad poems is great. ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 2:11:47 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews A poem for the birthday of the great Charles Mingus. > > > > > >Mingus at The Showplace > > >I was miserable, of course, for I was seventeen, >and so I swung into action and wrote a poem, > > >and it was miserable, for that was how I thought >poetry worked: you digested experience and shat > > >literature. It was 1960 at The Showplace, long since >defunct, on West 4th St., and I sat at the bar, > > >casting beer money from a thin reel of ones, >the kid in the city, big ears like a puppy. > > >And I knew Mingus was a genius. I knew two >other things, but as it happened they were wrong. > > >So I made him look at the poem. >"There's a lot of that going around," he said, > > >and Sweet Baby Jesus he was right. He glowered >at me but he didn't look as if he thought > > >bad poems were dangerous, the way some poets do. >If they were baseball executives they'd plot > > >to destroy sandlots everywhere so that the game >could be saved from children. Of course later > > >that night he fired his pianist in mid-number >and flurried him from the stand. > > >"We've suffered a diminuendo in personnel," >he explained, and the band played on. > > >William Matthews >Time & Money >Houghton Mifflin Company > > > Good poem. Makes me wonder if he was influenced or influenced Bukowski. Seems like something by Bukowski, Wilshberianized. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Sat Apr 23 11:16:29 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 07:16:29 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure _Time and Money_ was his last book. And there are a couple of other Mingus poems in there too. c On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:13 AM, stephen russell wrote: > Is this the late William Matthews? He knew his jazz. It has a Bukowski feel > to it, but more formal. The Buk rarely went the way of couplets. > Cool poem. The line about Mingus not being afraid of bad poems is great. > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 2:11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews > > A poem for the birthday of the great Charles Mingus. > > > Mingus at The Showplace > I was miserable, of course, for I was seventeen, > and so I swung into action and wrote a poem, > and it was miserable, for that was how I thought > poetry worked: you digested experience and shat > literature. It was 1960 at The Showplace, long since > defunct, on West 4th St., and I sat at the bar, > casting beer money from a thin reel of ones, > the kid in the city, big ears like a puppy. > And I knew Mingus was a genius. I knew two > other things, but as it happened they were wrong. > So I made him look at the poem. > "There's a lot of that going around," he said, > and Sweet Baby Jesus he was right. He glowered > at me but he didn't look as if he thought > bad poems were dangerous, the way some poets do. > If they were baseball executives they'd plot > to destroy sandlots everywhere so that the game > could be saved from children. Of course later > that night he fired his pianist in mid-number > and flurried him from the stand. > "We've suffered a diminuendo in personnel," > he explained, and the band played on. > William Matthews > Time & Money > Houghton Mifflin Company > > Good poem.? Makes me wonder if he was influenced or influenced Bukowski. > Seems like something by Bukowski, Wilshberianized. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From newpoetry at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 23 22:19:38 2011 From: newpoetry at mikesnider.org (Mike Snider) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:19:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> Matthews was a far better poet than Bukowski thought himself to be, and he did indeed know his jazz. At the other end of some cultural curve, I love his translations of Horace and Martial. And I love your work, Bob, but "Wilshberia" is getting quite a bit past annoying. www.mikesnider.org On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:16, Chris Lott wrote: > I'm pretty sure _Time and Money_ was his last book. And there are a > couple of other Mingus poems in there too. > > c > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:13 AM, stephen russell > wrote: >> Is this the late William Matthews? He knew his jazz. It has a Bukowski feel >> to it, but more formal. The Buk rarely went the way of couplets. >> Cool poem. The line about Mingus not being afraid of bad poems is great. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Grumman >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 2:11:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews >> >> A poem for the birthday of the great Charles Mingus. >> >> >> Mingus at The Showplace >> I was miserable, of course, for I was seventeen, >> and so I swung into action and wrote a poem, >> and it was miserable, for that was how I thought >> poetry worked: you digested experience and shat >> literature. It was 1960 at The Showplace, long since >> defunct, on West 4th St., and I sat at the bar, >> casting beer money from a thin reel of ones, >> the kid in the city, big ears like a puppy. >> And I knew Mingus was a genius. I knew two >> other things, but as it happened they were wrong. >> So I made him look at the poem. >> "There's a lot of that going around," he said, >> and Sweet Baby Jesus he was right. He glowered >> at me but he didn't look as if he thought >> bad poems were dangerous, the way some poets do. >> If they were baseball executives they'd plot >> to destroy sandlots everywhere so that the game >> could be saved from children. Of course later >> that night he fired his pianist in mid-number >> and flurried him from the stand. >> "We've suffered a diminuendo in personnel," >> he explained, and the band played on. >> William Matthews >> Time & Money >> Houghton Mifflin Company >> >> Good poem. Makes me wonder if he was influenced or influenced Bukowski. >> Seems like something by Bukowski, Wilshberianized. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 24 06:58:34 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 05:58:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.y ahoo.com> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <4DB4025A.6070408@nut-n-but.net> On 4/23/2011 9:19 PM, Mike Snider wrote: > Matthews was a far better poet than Bukowski thought himself to be, and he did indeed know his jazz. At the other end of some cultural curve, I love his translations of Horace and Martial. > I think Bukowski at his rawest best was equal to Matthews, but extremely uneven. One of his poems about a poetry reading has the same charge for me that this one of Matthews's has. I haven't read enough Mattews to know, but suspect he wrote more good poems than Bukowski did. > And I love your work, Bob, but "Wilshberia" is getting quite a bit past annoying. > Sorry, Mike, but it can't be more annoying to you than Finnegan's constant announcements of prizes to those who never work outside Wilshberia are to those of us who do our best work outside of it, prizelessly. Also, I contend that it is a useful, accurate term. And descriptive, not derogatory. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 24 09:36:29 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> Message-ID: <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> Sorry, Mike, but I have to agree with Bob here. Just as he says, "Wilshberia" is a useful, accurate term, in that it allows someone to see little important difference between the work of Charles Bukowski and William Matthews. Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Mike Snider wrote: > Matthews was a far better poet than Bukowski thought himself to be, and he did indeed know his jazz. At the other end of some cultural curve, I love his translations of Horace and Martial. > > And I love your work, Bob, but "Wilshberia" is getting quite a bit past annoying. From almaginnes at aol.com Sun Apr 24 09:39:57 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CDD09C3C3BD1F5-780-BDB2@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Well, it's certainly saved me the trouble of having to read all those poets. Now when someone's name comes up, I just "Wilshberia" and that's pretty much the end of that. Al -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 9:36 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews Sorry, Mike, but I have to agree with Bob here. Just as he says, "Wilshberia" is a useful, accurate term, in that it allows someone to see little important difference between the work of Charles Bukowski and William Matthews. Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Mike Snider wrote: > Matthews was a far better poet than Bukowski thought himself to be, and he did indeed know his jazz. At the other end of some cultural curve, I love his translations of Horace and Martial. > > And I love your work, Bob, but "Wilshberia" is getting quite a bit past annoying. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 24 11:16:28 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:16:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.y ahoo.com><569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> On 4/24/2011 8:36 AM, David Graham wrote: > Sorry, Mike, but I have to agree with Bob here. Just as he says, "Wilshberia" is a useful, accurate term, in that it allows someone to see little important difference between the work of Charles Bukowski and William Matthews. Seeing a similarity between those two is different for seeing "little important difference between" them, as even an academic should be able to understand. Wilshberia, for those who can read, describes a continuum of poetry ranging from very formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of Ashbery. The sole thing the poets producing the poetry on it have in common is certification by academics > Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? > > It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. No, David. Because visual poetry, sound poetry, performance poetry, cyber poetry, mathematical poetry, cryptographic poetry, infraverbal poetry, light verse, contragenteel poetry, haiku (except when a side-product of a certified poet) and no doubt others I'm not aware of or that have slipped my mind are meaninglessly unimportant to academics as dead to what poems can do that wasn't widely done fifty or more years ago as you does not mean they are the equivalent on a continuum of possible poetries to a Lord Howe Stick Insect in a continuum of possible insects. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 24 11:26:07 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:26:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <8CDD09C3C3BD1F5-780-BDB2@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.y ahoo.com><569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org><385B1186-87B D-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> <8CDD09C3C3BD1F5-780-BDB2@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DB4410F.40506@nut-n-but.net> On 4/24/2011 8:39 AM, almaginnes at aol.com wrote: > > > Well, it's certainly saved me the trouble of having to read all those > poets. Now when someone's name comes up, I just (say?) "Wilshberia" > and that's pretty much the end of that. > > Al Actually, Al, there are many poetry people outside of Wilshberia who do just that, which I think is almost as stupid as the behavior of academics like David Graham who when the name of someone writing unconventional poetry comes up, just say "not Wilshberia," and that's the end of that. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now when someone's name comes up, I just (say?) "Wilshberia" and that's pretty much the end of that. Al Actually, Al, there are many poetry people outside of Wilshberia who do just that, which I think is almost as stupid as the behavior of academics like David Graham who when the name of someone writing unconventional poetry comes up, just say "not Wilshberia," and that's the end of that. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His take is often perceptive; it just doesn't cover anything but the poetry of Wilshberia, except to sneer at it or deny its existence. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 24 10:37:53 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:37:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.y ahoo.com><569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <385B1186-87BD-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Wilshberia, for those who can read, describes a continuum of poetry ranging from very formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of Ashbery. The sole thing the poets producing the poetry on it have in common is certification by academics >> Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? >> >> It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. > No, David. Because visual poetry, sound poetry, performance poetry, cyber poetry, mathematical poetry, cryptographic poetry, infraverbal poetry, light verse, contragenteel poetry, haiku (except when a side-product of a certified poet) and no doubt others I'm not aware of or that have slipped my mind are meaninglessly unimportant to academics as dead to what poems can do that wasn't widely done fifty or more years ago as you does not mean they are the equivalent on a continuum of possible poetries to a Lord Howe Stick Insect in a continuum of possible insects. ==================== A rather nice nutshell of my oft-expressed reservation about Bob's critical habits above. Note how in his definition of Wilshberia above, "the sole thing" that characterizes such poetry is "certification by academics." I think we all know what "sole" means. OK, then, it has nothing whatsoever to do, say, with technical concerns. There is no meaningful aesthetic distinction involved. And thus it is obviously not definable according to whether it is breaking new technical ground, because "the sole thing" that defines it is whether academics "certify" it, whatever that means. And as we well know, academics tend to appreciate a spectrum of verse, from the traditional forms and themes of a Wilbur to the fragmentation and opacity of various poets in the language-centered realm. But look at the second paragraph above. What are academics being accused of? Oh, it seems we don't appreciate poetry that breaks new technical ground or challenges our aesthetics. We don't like poetry of various aesthetic stripes recognized as important by Bob. Whether or not that accusation is even true (another argument), does anyone else see a certain logical problem here? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 24 12:17:35 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:17:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net><522116.93606.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.y ahoo.com><569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org><385B1186-87B D-4BA9-ADC2-9FDD51474512@ripon.edu><4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> >> Wilshberia, for those who can read, describes a continuum of poetry ranging from very formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of Ashbery. The sole thing the poets producing the poetry on it have in common is certification by academics >>> Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? >>> >>> It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. >> No, David. Because visual poetry, sound poetry, performance poetry, cyber poetry, mathematical poetry, cryptographic poetry, infraverbal poetry, light verse, contragenteel poetry, haiku (except when a side-product of a certified poet) and no doubt others I'm not aware of or that have slipped my mind are meaninglessly unimportant to academics as dead to what poems can do that wasn't widely done fifty or more years ago as you does not mean they are the equivalent on a continuum of possible poetries to a Lord Howe Stick Insect in a continuum of possible insects. > ==================== > > > A rather nice nutshell of my oft-expressed reservation about Bob's critical habits above. Note how in his definition of Wilshberia above, "the sole thing" that characterizes such poetry is "certification by academics." I think we all know what "sole" means. OK, then, it has nothing whatsoever to do, say, with technical concerns. Wrong, it has to do with technical concerns to the degree that technical concerns have to do with academic certifiability. > There is no meaningful aesthetic distinction involved. Wrong. It has to do with aesthetic distinctions to the degree that they have to affect academic certifiability. > And thus it is obviously not definable according to whether it is breaking new technical ground, because "the sole thing" that defines it is whether academics "certify" it, whatever that means. The meaning of academic certification should be self-evident. It is anything professors do to indicate to the media and commercial publishers and grants-bestowers that certain poems are of cultural value. Certification is awarded (indirectly) by teaching certain poems and poets--and not others; writing essays and books on certain poems and poets--and not others; paying certain poets and not others to give readings or presentations at their universities; and so forth. What academics have been certifying in this way for fifty years or more is the poetry of Wilshberia. Note: I previous defined Wilshberia solely as academically certified poetry. Implicitly, though, I feel I also defined it as poetry ranging in technique from Wilbur's to Ashbery's. Since that apparently wasn't clear, let me redefine Wilshberia as "a continuum of that poetry ranging from very formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of Ashbery which the academy has certified (in the many ways the academy does that, i.e., by exclusively teaching it, exclusively writing about it, etc. > And as we well know, academics tend to appreciate a spectrum of verse, from the traditional forms and themes of a Wilbur to the fragmentation and opacity of various poets in the language-centered realm. My claim remains that the vast majority of them think when they say they like all kinds of poets from Wilbur to Ashbery that they appreciate all significant forms of poetry. I have previously named many of the kinds they are barely aware of, if that. > > > But look at the second paragraph above. What are academics being accused of? Oh, it seems we don't appreciate poetry that breaks new technical ground or challenges our aesthetics. We don't like poetry of various aesthetic stripes recognized as important by Bob. Worse. You don't even accept the /existence/ of poetry I recognize as /existent./ > > > Whether or not that accusation is even true (another argument), does anyone else see a certain logical problem here? > > ======================================== > David Graham Thanks for another demonstration of the academic position, David. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Silence is lighter than air, for the air we know rises but to the edge of the atmosphere. You have to pick up The Bass, as Mingus called his, with audible capitals, and think of the slow years the wood spent as a tree, which might well have been enough for wood, and think of the skill the bassmaker carried without great thought of it from home to the shop and back for decades, and know what bassists before you have played, and know how much of this is stored in The Bass like energy in a spring and know how much you must coax out. How easy it would be, instead, to pull a sword from a stone. But what?s inside the bass wants out, the way one day you will. Religious stories are rich in symmetry. You must release as much of this hoard as you can, little by little, in perfect time, as the work of the body becomes a body of work. --William Matthews. Time and Money: New Poems. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Wilshberia, for those who can read, describes a continuum of poetry ranging from very formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of Ashbery. The sole thing the poets producing the poetry on it have in common is certification by academics > > Think how handy to have such a term in your critical vocabulary. Consider the time saved. Sandburg and Auden: pretty much the same. Shakespeare and Marlowe: no big diff. Frost and Stevens: who could ever tell them apart? > > It's like you were an entomologist, and classified all insects into a) Dryococelus australis (The Lord Howe Stick Insect) and b) other bugs. > > No, David. Because visual poetry, sound poetry, performance poetry, cyber poetry, mathematical poetry, cryptographic poetry, infraverbal poetry, light verse, contragenteel poetry, haiku (except when a side-product of a certified poet) and no doubt others I'm not aware of or that have slipped my mind are meaninglessly unimportant to academics as dead to what poems can do that wasn't widely done fifty or more years ago as you does not mean they are the equivalent on a continuum of possible poetries to a Lord Howe Stick Insect in a continuum of possible insects. > > ==================== > > > A rather nice nutshell of my oft-expressed reservation about Bob's critical habits above. Note how in his definition of Wilshberia above, "the sole thing" that characterizes such poetry is "certification by academics." I think we all know what "sole" means. OK, then, it has nothing whatsoever to do, say, with technical concerns. > > Wrong, it has to do with technical concerns to the degree that technical > concerns have to do with academic certifiability. > > > There is no meaningful aesthetic distinction involved. > > Wrong. It has to do with aesthetic distinctions to the degree that they > have to affect academic certifiability. > > > And thus it is obviously not definable according to whether it is breaking new technical ground, because "the sole thing" that defines it is whether academics "certify" it, whatever that means. > > The meaning of academic certification should be self-evident. It is > anything professors do to indicate to the media and commercial publishers > and grants-bestowers that certain poems are of cultural value. > Certification is awarded (indirectly) by teaching certain poems and > poets--and not others; writing essays and books on certain poems and > poets--and not others; paying certain poets and not others to give readings > or presentations at their universities; and so forth. What academics have > been certifying in this way for fifty years or more is the poetry of > Wilshberia. > > Note: I previous defined Wilshberia solely as academically certified > poetry. Implicitly, though, I feel I also defined it as poetry ranging in > technique from Wilbur's to Ashbery's. Since that apparently wasn't clear, > let me redefine Wilshberia as "a continuum of that poetry ranging from very > formal poetry to the kind of jump-cut free association of the poetry of > Ashbery which the academy has certified (in the many ways the academy does > that, i.e., by exclusively teaching it, exclusively writing about it, etc. > > And as we well know, academics tend to appreciate a spectrum of verse, from the traditional forms and themes of a Wilbur to the fragmentation and opacity of various poets in the language-centered realm. > > My claim remains that the vast majority of them think when they say they > like all kinds of poets from Wilbur to Ashbery that they appreciate all > significant forms of poetry. I have previously named many of the kinds they > are barely aware of, if that. > > > > > > But look at the second paragraph above. What are academics being accused of? Oh, it seems we don't appreciate poetry that breaks new technical ground or challenges our aesthetics. We don't like poetry of various aesthetic stripes recognized as important by Bob. > > Worse. You don't even accept the *existence* of poetry I recognize as * > existent.* > > > > Whether or not that accusation is even true (another argument), does anyone else see a certain logical problem here? > > ======================================== > David Graham > > Thanks for another demonstration of the academic position, David. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 24 11:36:41 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:36:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu> I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. Has a gold seal and everything. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I've never seen one of these "academic certificates." > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sun Apr 24 12:22:42 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:22:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mingus by Matthews In-Reply-To: <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> David, is it authentic? Robert Frost said that the real one says "Bearer is entitled to use the word 'beautiful' two times." Jerry On 4/24/2011 10:36 AM, David Graham wrote: > I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many > years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this > up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. > Has a gold seal and everything. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> I've never seen one of these "academic certificates." > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 24 12:34:19 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:34:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful In-Reply-To: <4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu> <4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: I think I'm way over my quota of "beautifuls." Generally I forget 99% of what people say in workshops, including myself, but when I was in grad school my teacher Joe Langland was once talking about how most poets need to purge words like "love," "beautiful," and "soul" from their vocabularies. He was restating Pound's old argument about "dim lands of peace," I suppose. Then he turned to me and remarked, "You should use 'love' as a noun a lot more." It was a lightbulb moment for me. I realized that I'd gone too far down the Pound road, and might fruitfully edge back a few paces. And eventually I came to the understanding that prohibitions such as Pound's are like training wheels on your bike. The idea is to get so you don't need 'em. Does anyone else like B. H. Fairchild's poem "Beauty" as much as I do? Here's the text, for those who haven't read it: http://www.poemoftheweek.org/id224.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > David, is it authentic? Robert Frost said that the real one says "Bearer is entitled to use the word 'beautiful' two times." > > Jerry > > On 4/24/2011 10:36 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >> I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. Has a gold seal and everything. >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Sun Apr 24 12:38:12 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful In-Reply-To: References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu><4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CDD0B522D57CED-780-D96E@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> "Beauty" was the first poem of Fairchild's I remember reading. I was in a bookstore and picked up the journal it was in--I want to say Southern Review--and it stopped me in my tracks. It still does. I didn't know you were a student of Langland's. One of my grad school teachers, Michael Heffernan, was a student of his as well I believe. Al -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 12:34 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful I think I'm way over my quota of "beautifuls." Generally I forget 99% of what people say in workshops, including myself, but when I was in grad school my teacher Joe Langland was once talking about how most poets need to purge words like "love," "beautiful," and "soul" from their vocabularies. He was restating Pound's old argument about "dim lands of peace," I suppose. Then he turned to me and remarked, "You should use 'love' as a noun a lot more." It was a lightbulb moment for me. I realized that I'd gone too far down the Pound road, and might fruitfully edge back a few paces. And eventually I came to the understanding that prohibitions such as Pound's are like training wheels on your bike. The idea is to get so you don't need 'em. Does anyone else like B. H. Fairchild's poem "Beauty" as much as I do? Here's the text, for those who haven't read it: http://www.poemoftheweek.org/id224.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: David, is it authentic? Robert Frost said that the real one says "Bearer is entitled to use the word 'beautiful' two times." Jerry On 4/24/2011 10:36 AM, David Graham wrote: I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. Has a gold seal and everything. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Apr 24 12:46:23 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:46:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful In-Reply-To: <8CDD0B522D57CED-780-D96E@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu><4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> <8CDD0B522D57CED-780-D96E@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <16BCA2F7-9243-4521-A35C-40891608A930@ripon.edu> I met Fairchild a decade or so back when I think *Art of the Lathe* was his latest collection, and it had taken the PoBiz world by storm, winning all sorts of academically certified awards quite deservedly. He was Resident Poet at the Frost Place. Never heard of him previously. For me it was his poem "Body and Soul" that made me a firm admirer, and that's still my single favorite of his. But "Beauty" is, well, a real beaut. Text of "Body & Soul": http://matthewkaberline.blogspot.com/2008/04/bh-fairchild-body-and-soul.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:38 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > "Beauty" was the first poem of Fairchild's I remember reading. I was in a bookstore and picked up the journal it was in--I want to say Southern Review--and it stopped me in my tracks. It still does. > > I didn't know you were a student of Langland's. One of my grad school teachers, Michael Heffernan, was a student of his as well I believe. > > Al > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 12:34 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful > > I think I'm way over my quota of "beautifuls." Generally I forget 99% of what people say in workshops, including myself, but when I was in grad school my teacher Joe Langland was once talking about how most poets need to purge words like "love," "beautiful," and "soul" from their vocabularies. He was restating Pound's old argument about "dim lands of peace," I suppose. > > Then he turned to me and remarked, "You should use 'love' as a noun a lot more." It was a lightbulb moment for me. I realized that I'd gone too far down the Pound road, and might fruitfully edge back a few paces. And eventually I came to the understanding that prohibitions such as Pound's are like training wheels on your bike. The idea is to get so you don't need 'em. > > Does anyone else like B. H. Fairchild's poem "Beauty" as much as I do? > > Here's the text, for those who haven't read it: > > http://www.poemoftheweek.org/id224.html > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > >> David, is it authentic? Robert Frost said that the real one says "Bearer is entitled to use the word 'beautiful' two times." >> >> Jerry >> >> On 4/24/2011 10:36 AM, David Graham wrote: >>> >>> I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. 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URL: From david.weinstock at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 12:55:29 2011 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:55:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful In-Reply-To: <16BCA2F7-9243-4521-A35C-40891608A930@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu> <4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu> <8CDD0B522D57CED-780-D96E@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <16BCA2F7-9243-4521-A35C-40891608A930@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Richard Wilbur wrote a comment on one of my poems: * * *I suppose that every poet is allowed to write "O my love" once in his life. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Sun Apr 24 13:01:58 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful In-Reply-To: <16BCA2F7-9243-4521-A35C-40891608A930@ripon.edu> References: <4DB1C4E3.5070006@nut-n-but.net> <569D6902-04D0-4F3C-83B4-CB2ACE7146B9@mikesnider.org> <4DB43ECC.2010003@nut-n-but.net> <34BA5FAF-EA41-4477-AB91-5F36822ED0A2@ripon.edu> <4DB44D1F.6050606@nut-n-but.net> <0A20AE26-D3E3-44A7-B52C-CFACB1C5BCEF@ripon.edu><4DB44E52.1040205@louisiana.edu><8CDD0B522D57CED-780-D96E@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <16BCA2F7-9243-4521-A35C-40891608A930@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CDD0B870CAA870-780-DC51@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> I was talking with a friend about "Body and Soul" once and we both agreed that something almost physical happens to the reader at the beginning of the poem. You know you're in the hands of a master and you can just relax and let the poem happen to you. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful I met Fairchild a decade or so back when I think *Art of the Lathe* was his latest collection, and it had taken the PoBiz world by storm, winning all sorts of academically certified awards quite deservedly. He was Resident Poet at the Frost Place. Never heard of him previously. For me it was his poem "Body and Soul" that made me a firm admirer, and that's still my single favorite of his. But "Beauty" is, well, a real beaut. Text of "Body & Soul": http://matthewkaberline.blogspot.com/2008/04/bh-fairchild-body-and-soul.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:38 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: "Beauty" was the first poem of Fairchild's I remember reading. I was in a bookstore and picked up the journal it was in--I want to say Southern Review--and it stopped me in my tracks. It still does. I didn't know you were a student of Langland's. One of my grad school teachers, Michael Heffernan, was a student of his as well I believe. Al -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 12:34 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Suicidally beautiful I think I'm way over my quota of "beautifuls." Generally I forget 99% of what people say in workshops, including myself, but when I was in grad school my teacher Joe Langland was once talking about how most poets need to purge words like "love," "beautiful," and "soul" from their vocabularies. He was restating Pound's old argument about "dim lands of peace," I suppose. Then he turned to me and remarked, "You should use 'love' as a noun a lot more." It was a lightbulb moment for me. I realized that I'd gone too far down the Pound road, and might fruitfully edge back a few paces. And eventually I came to the understanding that prohibitions such as Pound's are like training wheels on your bike. The idea is to get so you don't need 'em. Does anyone else like B. H. Fairchild's poem "Beauty" as much as I do? Here's the text, for those who haven't read it: http://www.poemoftheweek.org/id224.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Jerry McGuire wrote: David, is it authentic? Robert Frost said that the real one says "Bearer is entitled to use the word 'beautiful' two times." Jerry On 4/24/2011 10:36 AM, David Graham wrote: I've got a poetic license on my office wall. My mother bought it many years ago from some guy on the Isle of Wight. I am not making this up. It says that I am entitled to write anything I jolly well please. 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URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Sun Apr 24 13:33:31 2011 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:33:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Bob-Prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM Various Hands wrote: various pleas to Bob. But clearly it's hopeless, the tracks go on. I for one recognize a lost cause and hereby accept that my now 63 years of poem-work fit neatly into the Procrustean tomb WILSH. I write WILSH, my friends, am properly ashamed yet compelled. I do paint my poems at times or sing them, but even then am mainly stuck with antediluvian WORDS. Yep, 3873 examples (at rough count) of dowdy ole WILSH-words. I do, however, have a solution for the Bob-prob: could somebody, please, give the man a prize or send money or issue an invitation to Harvard or something, please. From the Myopic Academy, Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 24 16:16:11 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:16:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Bob-Prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB4850B.9050708@nut-n-but.net> On 4/24/2011 12:33 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM Various Hands wrote: > > various pleas to Bob. > > But clearly it's hopeless, the tracks go on. I for one recognize > a lost cause and hereby accept that my now 63 years of > poem-work fit neatly into the Procrustean tomb WILSH. > I write WILSH, my friends, am properly ashamed yet compelled. > I do paint my poems at times or sing them, but even then am > mainly stuck with antediluvian WORDS. Yep, 3873 examples > (at rough count) of dowdy ole WILSH-words. > > I do, however, have a solution for the Bob-prob: > could somebody, please, give the man a prize or send money > or issue an invitation to Harvard or something, please. > > From the Myopic Academy, > > Barry I think I'd be content with an admission from David Graham that there were significant kinds of poems being composed outside of Wilshberia, Not that I'd expect him to make any of his students aware of any of them. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 02:48:40 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:48:40 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: BIG BRIDGE 15 IS READY! In-Reply-To: <1a2701cc0303$0ad52db0$6401a8c0@LENOVOB39742E2> References: <1a2701cc0303$0ad52db0$6401a8c0@LENOVOB39742E2> Message-ID: *BIG BRIDGE 15 IS READY! * http://www .bigbridge.org *HERE?S WHAT YOU?LL FIND:* The previously unpublished selected correspondence of *Stan Brakhage* and *Michael McClure*, edited by *Christopher Luna*, which covers twenty years in the relationship of two of the most compelling and legendary artists of the post-war period in American culture. Stan Brakhage and Michael McClure met in San Francisco in 1954, and for several decades maintained an impassioned correspondence that touched on subjects including art, poetry, and film, as well as the peculiar difficulty of being an artist in society. The correspondence features accounts of their contact with artists including *Allen Ginsberg, Richard Brautigan, Charles Olson, Robert Creeley, Bobbie Louise Hawkins, David Meltzer, Robert Duncan, John Cage, Morton Subotnick, Philip Whalen, Kenneth Anger, Jonas Mekas, Andy Warhol* and others. ?Divigations, A Work in Progress? a feature poetry chapbook by *Jerome Rothenberg* with illustrations by *Nancy Victoria Davis*. *Brian Unger?s* essential selection from *Philip Whalen?s* ?Kyoto Notebooks.? This issue of* Big Bridge* is big on translations: *Terri Carrion* and *FR Lavandeira?s* Tri-lingual Anthology of Galician Poetry and Prose. A suite of translations from *Nakahara Chuya*, with a concluding poem in tribute Translations from Japanese by *Jerome Rothenberg* & *Yasuhiro Yotsumoto*. Translations of *Chan Poems* from the manuscript of a book A Full Load of Moonlight of Chinese Chan (Zen) Buddhist poetry translated by *Mary M.Y. Fung* and *David Lunde*. *Rimbaud*, Ten Poems, translated by *Bill Zavatsky*. Selections from Turkish poet *Seyhan Eroz?elik's* Rosestrikes and Coffee Grinds, translated by *Murat Nemet-Nejat*. Translations of *Demosthenes Agrafiotis *manuscript by *John Sakkis*. And Translations of *Ahmed Abdel Muti Hijazi* by *Omnia Amin* and *Rick London*. Hijaz has been a prominent figure in the avant-garde of Arabic poetry for a half century. Also, Rick London and *Katherine Silver* will offer translation of *Martin Adan*, one of Peru?s most revered twentieth century poets. And Poems by seven (7) Hungarian poets translated by *Gabor G Gyukics* and *Michael Castro, *and don?t forget the new translations of * Rilke* from *Art Beck!* Two special guest poetry anthologies from *Jason Blickstein* (*David Chirico, Anthony Seidman, Richard Rizzi, James Heller Levinson, Susan McKechnie, Greg Grummer* and more) and *Jason Braun?s* ?The Big Bridge Fusion Anthology? which reflects various traditions of Beat Poets, Slam Poets, Black Arts Poets and Hip Hop Poets and includes work from *Sean Arnold, Wendy Brown-Baez, Margaret Gilbert, MK Stallings, Shane Signorino, Erin Wiles* and more. Also, ?Out Looking for Lew: Bioregional Poetics, The Legacy of *Lew Welch*? by *Jerry Martien. *And poet-translator *Louise Landes Levi* writes a memoir review of *Annapurna Devi*, widely considered to be the greatest living Indian instrumentalist. Levi studied with Devi in the early 70's & is one of the only Westerners to have heard her music, live. Also, *Frank Parker?s* broadside collection, *John Roche?s* new book *Road Ghosts*, poetry selections from *Pat Nolan*, *Basil King*, *Jacob Russell*, and excerpts from *Murat Nemet-Nejat?s* new book of poems. And don?t miss *Jonathan Kane?s* anthology of fine art photos from his visionary friends *Christopher Perez, Nina Pak, Marcin Gorski, Mosah Morazadeh.* Also, collage art from *Wayne Atherton* and *Geri DiGiorno*, and fantastic painitngs by *Noel Beebee. * We?ve got* great book reviews* of *great books* by *great reviewers*, it?s a list too long to list, and a refreshing selection of featured Little Mags, *Cave Wall, Dirty Goat, Nibble, Red Mare and Lilliput*. Check out our *updated links page*, find some great resources there, online zines, blogs, art resources, etc? And a Thank You to the fabulous artist *Jim Spitzer* who has created original paintings on panels for the Big Bridge home page as well as sectional art. And another special Thank You to *Jack Krick*, webmaster extraordinaire, for making this the best looking Big Bridge issue yet! *BIG BRIDGE 15 IS READY! * http://www.bigbridge.org Check it out! Best, Michael Rothenberg, editor Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org * * -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, when the British Library announced this week that it has acquired the poet Wendy Cope?s archive, it made much of the hybrid nature of the material, which includes thousands of e-mails." -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 11:51:27 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our noted poets does e.mail. Then I wondered if I was right. Does anyone know of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people? Or any other noted poet--or critic? Will posterity care? --Bob From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 10:50:59 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_=D3_C=E1rthaigh?=) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Resources - Poetry Videos Message-ID: <5628.93254.qm@web161617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Poetry videos are a new and emerging genre, especially here in Ireland where anything beyond the text is considered taboo! Taking inspiration from artists like Caterina Daverino, my poetry video channell on youtube features a wise range of poems on all topics, from political satire to retelling of old legends, from cultures as diverse as Europes Romanies, to the Native Americans. Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/tomasocarthaigh and tell me what you think! 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Then I wondered if I was right. Does anyone know of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people? Or any other noted poet--or critic? Will posterity care? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.weinstock at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 11:13:13 2011 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:13:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I can never tell if Bob is kidding. Of course our noted poets do email. Everybody does email. Email is the new telephone. My elderly aunts do email, my corner gas station does email. 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My elderly aunts do email, my corner gas station does email. > > Which "noted poet" do you imagine does not? > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She runs the SUNY Buffalo listserve, her blog is at http://amyking.wordpress.com/ "a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" - www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook ::: My YouTube Videos? ? --- On Mon, 25/4/11, chris at chrislott.org wrote: From: chris at chrislott.org Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Monday, 25 April, 2011, 16:02 Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be the personal email rather than email on lists. I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... c On Apr 25, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our noted poets does e.mail.? Then I wondered if I was right.? Does anyone know of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people?? Or any other noted poet--or critic?? Will posterity care? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Apr 25 11:31:24 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:31:24 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: My assumption was that Bob wasn't asking about just email, but about poets participating in mailing lists, etc (and by extension other discussion forums and social networks). But then I don't know about "noted" poets unless Bob is referring to the Wilshberians, who are the only poets who get noted (that's why they are Wilshberians, right?) c On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:13 AM, David Weinstock wrote: > I can never tell if Bob is kidding. > Of course our noted poets do email. Everybody does email. Email is the new > telephone. My elderly aunts do email, my corner gas station does email. > Which "noted poet" do you imagine does not? > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From chris at chrislott.org Mon Apr 25 11:32:40 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:32:40 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <675022.34814.qm@web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <0B9405FC-62B0-4C36-8D18-D27EC17BB379@chrislott.org> <675022.34814.qm@web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure Amy is on this list. Interesting to know that she's "the online voice of American poetry" as seen in Europe. I never would have guessed. c 2011/4/25 Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > Im not sure how well known she is in the States, but shes the online voice > of american poetry as its seen here in Europe, Amy King, poetess, > university lecturer, feminist and lesbian!!!! She runs the SUNY Buffalo > listserve, her blog is at http://amyking.wordpress.com/ > > > > > *"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" * > > ------------------------------ > > **- www.writingsinrhyme.com *:::* Add me on Facebook > * :::* My YouTube Videos > > > > * > * > > > --- On *Mon, 25/4/11, chris at chrislott.org * wrote: > > > From: chris at chrislott.org > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from > poet Wendy Cope > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, 25 April, 2011, 16:02 > > > Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be > the personal email rather than email on lists. > > I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... > > c > > On Apr 25, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > > > My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our > noted poets does e.mail. Then I wondered if I was right. 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URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 11:36:10 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:36:10 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: My friend Sandy McPherson is fairly notable, although not as much as some others, and she is part of an active and thriving poetry community on Facebook. There are a goodly number of significant American poets on Facebook. And I would think (having emailed with Sandy for years) that her email archive would be quite interesting. She and I had a number of debates a few years back about the Language Poetry movement, for example. - Patricia On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our > noted poets does e.mail. ?Then I wondered if I was right. ?Does anyone know > of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in > Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people? ?Or any > other noted poet--or critic? ?Will posterity care? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From fox.skip at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 11:44:36 2011 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:44:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Creeley had a book based on a virtual contact with several creative writing students over the net. But my guess is that many people's correspondance has decreased in depth due to e-mail. There are some very in-depth and interesting postings on list-serves and blogs, but this is not exactly the same thing, right? On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our > noted poets does e.mail. Then I wondered if I was right. Does anyone know > of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in > Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people? Or any > other noted poet--or critic? Will posterity care? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Apr 25 11:47:54 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:47:54 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Skip Fox wrote: > > There are some very in-depth and interesting postings on list-serves and > blogs, but this is not exactly the same thing, right? You're right, it's not the same. And we are the worse off for it (in my opinion). c From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 25 11:52:30 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:52:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: OK, last post from me for a while on this topic, I promise. I have no problem with Bob liking the poetry he likes, or advocating for it, and often wish he would do so instead of using all the oxygen in the room berating others for not sufficiently recognizing his favorite stuff. That's like standing day after day in a McDonalds and screaming that there's no sushi on the menu. No, there isn't, and there won't be tomorrow, either. Sorry. You can't shout people into having different taste, and most of the poetry reading public just doesn't have much of a taste for most of what Bob loves. My problem with "Wishberia," as I've said often enough, is with the word itself as a critical term or category. For reasons I've mentioned often and at length, I find the term "Wilshberia" at best useless, bordering on meaningless; at worst, Bob tends to use it as a shorthand sneer. He also can't seem to make up his own mind whether the term describes technique, originality, institutional recognition and support, or the monolithic taste of something called "the academy." Or some ill-defined mix of all the above. Which points to one of the problems with the term: such a vaguely defined and sweeping category really isn't very useful for clarifying anything. It certainly doesn't help any reader see the distinctions and differences that go into quality. But it gets wearisome being our leading Wilshberian, especially since that makes me fictive head of an imaginary crew, like Santa presiding over his elves. . . . I realize I have only myself to blame for suffering this distinction, being all too willing to engage with Bob on such matters over the years. So I hereby resign my post as Lead Wishberian, and release my delegates to Tad Richards. Perhaps he could rotate the office between himself and Mike Snider, Jeff Newberry, Barry Spacks, Anny Ballardini, and others. . . . On 4/25/11 6:29 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > The latest installment of my ongoing documentation of Wilshberia based > on yesterday's exhanges here, with particular thanks to our leading > Wilshberian, David Graham. > > --Bob > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From david.weinstock at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 11:59:26 2011 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:59:26 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: "Useless, bordering on meaningless"--now that suggests a critical term we can all get behind: "Ubom," pronounced *you-bomb. * * * I think it's going to come in handy, several times a day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggested that this was like making a taxonomy of automobiles, including (enumerated) different kinds of Volkswagens, and then a category for all those other cars. Bob's response was essentially "What's wrong with that?" I will, however, consent, if drafted, to be president of Freedonia. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM, David Weinstock wrote: > "Useless, bordering on meaningless"--now that suggests a critical term we > can all get behind: "Ubom," pronounced *you-bomb. * > * > * > I think it's going to come in handy, several times a day. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Problem for them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails asking for help, autographed copies and advice.? I know because I made a 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery.? I thought it was pretty obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time).? I can't tell you how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range.? Some of them were even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... Amy ? ********* VIDA: ?Women in Literary Arts +?Interviews Amy's Alias +?http://amyking.org/? ******** ________________________________ From: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry List Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope I'm pretty sure Amy is on this list. Interesting to know that she's "the online voice of American poetry" as seen in Europe. I never would have guessed. c 2011/4/25 Tom?s ? C?rthaigh Im not sure how well known she is in the States, but shes the online voice of american poetry as its seen here in Europe, Amy King, poetess, university lecturer, feminist and lesbian!!!! She runs the SUNY Buffalo listserve, her blog is at http://amyking.wordpress.com/ > > > > >"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" >________________________________ > >- www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook::: My YouTube Videos >? > >? > >--- On Mon, 25/4/11, chris at chrislott.org wrote: > > >>From: chris at chrislott.org >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope >>To: "NewPoetry List" >>Date: Monday, 25 April, 2011, 16:02 >> >> >> >>Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be the personal email rather than email on lists. >> >>I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... >> >>c >> >>On Apr 25, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our noted poets does e.mail.? Then I wondered if I was right.? 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She runs the SUNY Buffalo listserve, her blog is at http://amyking.wordpress.com/ > > > > >"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace" >________________________________ > >- www.writingsinrhyme.com??::: Add me on Facebook::: My YouTube Videos >? > >? > >--- On Mon, 25/4/11, chris at chrislott.org wrote: > > >>From: chris at chrislott.org >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope >>To: "NewPoetry List" >>Date: Monday, 25 April, 2011, 16:02 >> >> >> >>Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be the personal email rather than email on lists. >> >>I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... >> >>c >> >>On Apr 25, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our noted poets does e.mail.? Then I wondered if I was right.? Does anyone know of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people?? Or any other noted poet--or critic?? Will posterity care? >>> >>> --Bob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Apr 25 12:17:59 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:17:59 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <0B9405FC-62B0-4C36-8D18-D27EC17BB379@chrislott.org> <675022.34814.qm@web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Did Gertrude get a lot of emails too? I get a few emails a week to writers I've quoted in my online commonplace book, though it should be quite clear that those authors didn't post the snippets (and many are long since dead). "Dear Ms. Dickinson..." c On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:10 AM, amy king wrote: > Good news for me this morning! I didn't know this either. I hope I start > receiving invitations to Europe - I'm happy to travel anywhere and read for > anyone! Also, though I "tweeted" for the Academy of American Poets the > other day, I'm not actually listed in their vaults. > > A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions > regularly is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). > > How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? Problem > for them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails > asking for help, autographed copies and advice. I know because I made a > 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. I thought it was pretty > obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by > a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). I can't tell you > how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. Some of them were > even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... > > Amy > > > ********* > VIDA: Women in Literary Arts > + Interviews > > Amy's Alias > + http://amyking.org/ > ******** > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Lott > > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2011 11:32 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from > poet Wendy Cope > > I'm pretty sure Amy is on this list. Interesting to know that she's "the > online voice of American poetry" as seen in Europe. I never would have > guessed. > > c > > 2011/4/25 Tom?s ? C?rthaigh > > Im not sure how well known she is in the States, but shes the online voice > of american poetry as its seen here in Europe, Amy King, poetess, > university lecturer, feminist and lesbian!!!! She runs the SUNY Buffalo > listserve, her blog is at http://amyking.wordpress.com/ > > > > > *"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've > written one is never at peace" * > ------------------------------ > **- www.writingsinrhyme.com *:::* Add me on Facebook > * :::* My YouTube Videos > > * > * > > > --- On *Mon, 25/4/11, chris at chrislott.org * wrote: > > > From: chris at chrislott.org > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from > poet Wendy Cope > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Monday, 25 April, 2011, 16:02 > > > Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be > the personal email rather than email on lists. > > I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... > > c > > On Apr 25, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > > > My first thought was that no US library would do that because none of our > noted poets does e.mail. Then I wondered if I was right. Does anyone know > of any member of the American Academy of Poets who regularly participates in > Internet discussion groups and/or e.mails to a wide range of people? Or any > other noted poet--or critic? 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 25 12:46:05 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that list), and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number of fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) who contributed. And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable annoyances, finally made me go dormant. But I still drop into the archives from time to time. On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: > A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions regularly > is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). > > How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? Problem for > them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails > asking for help, autographed copies and advice. I know because I made a 'fan' > account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. I thought it was pretty obvious > that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by a fan (I > also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). I can't tell you how many > emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. Some of them were even very > depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... > > Amy -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Mon Apr 25 12:46:44 2011 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDD17F7E4BD702-780-1E966@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> If you want to give up being head of the elves, you might want to do something about that beard. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:52 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog OK, last post from me for a while on this topic, I promise. I have no problem with Bob liking the poetry he likes, or advocating for it, and often wish he would do so instead of using all the oxygen in the room berating others for not sufficiently recognizing his favorite stuff. That's like standing day after day in a McDonalds and screaming that there's no sushi on the menu. No, there isn't, and there won't be tomorrow, either. Sorry. You can't shout people into having different taste, and most of the poetry reading public just doesn't have much of a taste for most of what Bob loves. My problem with "Wishberia," as I've said often enough, is with the word itself as a critical term or category. For reasons I've mentioned often and at length, I find the term "Wilshberia" at best useless, bordering on meaningless; at worst, Bob tends to use it as a shorthand sneer. He also can't seem to make up his own mind whether the term describes technique, originality, institutional recognition and support, or the monolithic taste of something called "the academy." Or some ill-defined mix of all the above. Which points to one of the problems with the term: such a vaguely defined and sweeping category really isn't very useful for clarifying anything. It certainly doesn't help any reader see the distinctions and differences that go into quality. But it gets wearisome being our leading Wilshberian, especially since that makes me fictive head of an imaginary crew, like Santa presiding over his elves. . . . I realize I have only myself to blame for suffering this distinction, being all too willing to engage with Bob on such matters over the years. So I hereby resign my post as Lead Wishberian, and release my delegates to Tad Richards. Perhaps he could rotate the office between himself and Mike Snider, Jeff Newberry, Barry Spacks, Anny Ballardini, and others. . . . On 4/25/11 6:29 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > The latest installment of my ongoing documentation of Wilshberia based > on yesterday's exhanges here, with particular thanks to our leading > Wilshberian, David Graham. > > --Bob > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 12:57:56 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:57:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Dropping into the archives" -- now there's an image. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:46 AM, David Graham wrote: > I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that > list), and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number > of fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) > who contributed. And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and > preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. > > The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable > annoyances, finally made me go dormant. But I still drop into the archives > from time to time. > > > > On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: > > A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions > regularly is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). > > How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? Problem > for them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails > asking for help, autographed copies and advice. I know because I made a > 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. I thought it was pretty > obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by > a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). I can't tell you > how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. Some of them were > even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... > > Amy > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 13:01:51 2011 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:01:51 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I'd be happy to be the lead Wilshberian, since my last name is Newberry. Maybe I could change the name from "Wilshberia" to something equally meaningless, like "Wilshberrya." See what I did there? I changed a letter or two, making a meaningless word meaningless. That's how I roll. --Jeff Wilshberry (not to be confused with Wilbury) On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:52 AM, David Graham wrote: > OK, last post from me for a while on this topic, I promise. > > I have no problem with Bob liking the poetry he likes, or advocating for > it, > and often wish he would do so instead of using all the oxygen in the room > berating others for not sufficiently recognizing his favorite stuff. > That's > like standing day after day in a McDonalds and screaming that there's no > sushi on the menu. No, there isn't, and there won't be tomorrow, either. > Sorry. You can't shout people into having different taste, and most of the > poetry reading public just doesn't have much of a taste for most of what > Bob > loves. > > My problem with "Wishberia," as I've said often enough, is with the word > itself as a critical term or category. For reasons I've mentioned often > and at length, I find the term "Wilshberia" at best useless, bordering on > meaningless; at worst, Bob tends to use it as a shorthand sneer. He also > can't seem to make up his own mind whether the term describes technique, > originality, institutional recognition and support, or the monolithic taste > of something called "the academy." Or some ill-defined mix of all the > above. > > Which points to one of the problems with the term: such a vaguely defined > and sweeping category really isn't very useful for clarifying anything. It > certainly doesn't help any reader see the distinctions and differences that > go into quality. > > But it gets wearisome being our leading Wilshberian, especially since that > makes me fictive head of an imaginary crew, like Santa presiding over his > elves. . . . I realize I have only myself to blame for suffering this > distinction, being all too willing to engage with Bob on such matters over > the years. > > So I hereby resign my post as Lead Wishberian, and release my delegates to > Tad Richards. Perhaps he could rotate the office between himself and Mike > Snider, Jeff Newberry, Barry Spacks, Anny Ballardini, and others. . . . > > > On 4/25/11 6:29 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > > > The latest installment of my ongoing documentation of Wilshberia based > > on yesterday's exhanges here, with particular thanks to our leading > > Wilshberian, David Graham. > > > > --Bob > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. 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But I guess I'm mainly interested in how much any have posted to what I'd call public discussions, not like my friend Richard Kostelanetz, who occasionally sends off an e.mail to colleagues but doesn't, that I know, participate in groups like New-Poetry, at least literary ones. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:36:50 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:36:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB5BF42.1000408@nut-n-but.net> Why should anyone not expect me to defend my use of "Wilshberia" when someone tells us he finds the term "at best useless, bordering on meaningless," as David has more than once--without refuting what I say in defense of it? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:42:15 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:42:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 11:10 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > It's hard to imagine that anyone could fill David Graham's shoes. > > But David is right about Wilshberia not being particularly useless as > anything but a sneer. I think Bob is really interesting on the stuff > that he likes, less so on the stuff that he doesn't, and not entirely > convincing in his liberal media conspiracy theories about how everyone > would really like rebuses if only the establishment weren't conspiring > to keep the public from knowing about them. > > I hearken back to an earlier generation of this discussion, when Bob > was talking about the importance of creating a taxonomy of > contemporary poetry, but his taxonomy included Wilshberia. I suggested > that this was like making a taxonomy of automobiles, including > (enumerated) different kinds of Volkswagens, and then a category for > all those other cars. Bob's response was essentially "What's wrong > with that?" > It was not. > I will, however, consent, if drafted, to be president of Freedonia. > My taxonomy NEVER included "Wilshberia," Tad, and as I keep telling you, rebuses have almost nothing to do with visual poetry. To call visual poetry rebuses is like calling all regular poetry nursery rhymes. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:45:40 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:45:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <0B9405FC-62B0-4C36-8D18-D27EC17BB379@chrislott.org> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> <0B9405FC-62B0-4C36-8D18-D27EC17BB379@chrislott.org> Message-ID: <4DB5C154.5090805@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 10:02 AM, chris at chrislott.org wrote: > Not many that I know of, but like purchasing letters, the point might be the personal email rather than email on lists. > > I know a few authors (and actors) that participate using pseudonyms... > > c I suppose to get a good idea, we'd have to do a survey. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:49:45 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:49:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB5C249.2020507@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 10:13 AM, David Weinstock wrote: > I can never tell if Bob is kidding. > > Of course our noted poets do email. Everybody does email. Email is the > new telephone. My elderly aunts do email, my corner gas station does > email. > > Which "noted poet" do you imagine does not? > > I suspect almost none of them does it to any significant public degree--except the few that may participate in special interest groups. But I don't know which is why I asked. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 13:51:59 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:51:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <4DB5C249.2020507@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C249.2020507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Get busy on that survey, B-bob. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/25/2011 10:13 AM, David Weinstock wrote: > > I can never tell if Bob is kidding. > > Of course our noted poets do email. Everybody does email. Email is the > new telephone. My elderly aunts do email, my corner gas station does email. > > Which "noted poet" do you imagine does not? > > > > I suspect almost none of them does it to any significant public > degree--except the few that may participate in special interest groups. But > I don't know which is why I asked. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 13:52:29 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:52:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope Message-ID: <21393820.1303753950117.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:58:46 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:58:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB5C466.7090908@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 10:31 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > My assumption was that Bob wasn't asking about just email, but about > poets participating in mailing lists, etc (and by extension other > discussion forums and social networks). But then I don't know about > "noted" poets unless Bob is referring to the Wilshberians, who are the > only poets who get noted (that's why they are Wilshberians, right?) > > c > I was trying not to use the term you use above, Chris. But I was thinking mainly about groups like ours, and of the poets the American Academy of Poets would consider the top 100 US poets. We have a number of fairly well-known poets at New-Poetry but I think they'd agree that they're not up there with Donald Hall, say. Most inhabitants of Wilshberia are not "noted," but I do believe that all the 100 poets mentioned above, except a few language poets are inhabitants of Wilshberia. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:51:10 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:51:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB5C29E.8000407@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 10:18 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > a gentle way to say that nobody is anybody on this list, bob is bob > and bob will be Do we have any members of the American Academy of Poets? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 14:59:48 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <0B9405FC-62B0-4C36-8D18-D27EC17BB379@chrislott.org><675022.34814.qm@web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DB5C4A4.8080301@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 10:32 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > I'm pretty sure Amy is on this list. Interesting to know that she's > "the online voice of American poetry" as seen in Europe. I never would > have guessed. > > c Even more interesting that she's a "poetess." --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 15:09:41 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:09:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <4DB5C466.7090908@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB5987F.9010302@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C466.7090908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB5C6F5.8020109@nut-n-but.net> As for fear of a deluge of e.mails wanting help getting published (I've even gotten a couple of those!), it shouldn't be a problem for someone participating in groups like New-Poetry. You could just delete all e.mails not from people you know and maybe have a form answer go out to all others saying that you get too many e.mails to respond to individual ones but will try to respond to anything of interest that is posted to any of the groups you're part of. I suspect there are better ways to handle the problem, too. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 25 14:27:15 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:27:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry via email In-Reply-To: <4DB5C154.5090805@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I don't know about "names" vs. "no names," but like others I suspect that the normal business of poets sending drafts out to friends for critique, gossiping about prizes and jobs, and generally networking, all happens mostly via email these days. Maybe some of the Bly/Rich generation have not made the move to corresponding mainly by email, but I strongly suspect that most poets who are under retirement age have. For one thing, we all have to use email at work, some of us (teachers, etc.) quite heavily. So I'm guessing that the Wendy Cope news is just one of the first such stories we'll be seeing in upcoming years, as elder poets look for places to archive their years and years of e-correspondence. I'm not a name & never will be, but a great deal of my poetry-related activity happens electronically, and much of it is not public. I workshop and swap drafts with friends, collaborate with colleagues on book projects, stay in touch with other poets about various face-to-face events, send out news of my own online pubs, and so forth. Kate Sontag and I put together much of our essay anthology, *After Confession* via email one summer when I was on a lake in the Adirondacks and she was on an island off the coast of Maine. Lord knows how many gigabytes of correspondence we have on our hard drives related to this project. Even on Facebook, which is for me only quasi-public ("only friends"), there's a lot of poetic activity occurring regularly. And much of it will go poof and be lost to future generations, not that anyone's likely to care in my case. But that's always been the case with paper records, too, hasn't it? ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 14:24:07 2011 From: tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?VG9tw6FzIMOTIEPDoXJ0aGFpZ2g=?=) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Publishing - Cartys Poetry Journal In-Reply-To: <4DB5C6F5.8020109@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <448856.16358.qm@web161612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I run a small poetry journal, Cartys Poetry Journal, and a few small presses. Anyone interested in getting published by us should send submissions to me at tomasocarthaigh at yahoo.com What we look for: Rhyming poetry Non rhming poetry Image poetry (images on poetry, poetry on images etc.) Articles on poetry, poets, reviews, etc. Deadline for the current edition coming fast, but work will be held for future editions. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::;; Click here for the Feb / March Edition?Click here for the Feb / March Edition - just live now! Cartys Poetry Journal has just published online, and has a selection of Irish and international poets, featuring rhyming, non rhyming and haiku poetry from the UK, USA, India, South Africa, Kosovo and other countries. India: Dinesh Sairam, Shusheel Kumar Sharma Ireland: Emma Hogan, Anthony Sullivan, Ken Hume, Tom?s ? C?rthaigh, Roibeard McElroy, Fred Johnstone, Siobhain Daffy, Dave W. Moore, Niall O' Conner. USA: Tate Morgan, Ken Taylor UK: Sam Thomas, Janey_B Kosovo: Fehredin Shehu Croatia: Zanina Bilic (translation) South Africa: Kerry O' Conner Dont forget to submit to the forthcoming editions!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 14:50:32 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:50:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry via email Message-ID: <6922681.1303757433016.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Most of the poets I know of the "Bly/Rich generation" email a lot. The issue, in terms of archives, is reluctance on the part of libraries to house elecronic archives, so the poets or those they hire have had to print out their emails, an arduous enough process that few bother. I didn't read the article, but I assume that in this case the archive is on a flash drive. -----Original Message----- >From: David Graham >Sent: Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM >To: NewPoetry >Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry via email > >I don't know about "names" vs. "no names," but like others I suspect that >the normal business of poets sending drafts out to friends for critique, >gossiping about prizes and jobs, and generally networking, all happens >mostly via email these days. > >Maybe some of the Bly/Rich generation have not made the move to >corresponding mainly by email, but I strongly suspect that most poets who >are under retirement age have. For one thing, we all have to use email at >work, some of us (teachers, etc.) quite heavily. > >So I'm guessing that the Wendy Cope news is just one of the first such >stories we'll be seeing in upcoming years, as elder poets look for places to >archive their years and years of e-correspondence. > >I'm not a name & never will be, but a great deal of my poetry-related >activity happens electronically, and much of it is not public. I workshop >and swap drafts with friends, collaborate with colleagues on book projects, >stay in touch with other poets about various face-to-face events, send out >news of my own online pubs, and so forth. Kate Sontag and I put together >much of our essay anthology, *After Confession* via email one summer when I >was on a lake in the Adirondacks and she was on an island off the coast of >Maine. Lord knows how many gigabytes of correspondence we have on our hard >drives related to this project. > >Even on Facebook, which is for me only quasi-public ("only friends"), >there's a lot of poetic activity occurring regularly. > >And much of it will go poof and be lost to future generations, not that >anyone's likely to care in my case. But that's always been the case with >paper records, too, hasn't it? > > >==================================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >==================================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 25 15:23:53 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:23:53 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <21393820.1303753950117.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21393820.1303753950117.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDD19572C1E504-1974-202C5@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> I'm sure you're correct about the dross emails. Then again there are increasingly sophisticated search functions available these days that would make it easier for tech-savvy scholars to find the more relevant emails. I wonder how many poets of like renown have had the discipline to auto-archive their emails since the early days of internet, and then to keep it from evaporating into random bytes and bits when they moved from one ISP to another. I suspect she's a bit ahead of curve compared to many of her contemporaries: First you have to recognize (or someone else has to for you) that this digital material might be of interest. Then you have take care that stuff gets saved and backed up. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope Assuming that Wendy Cope uses email in much the way the rest of us do, those 40,000 emails would be mostly pretty boring stuff--acknowledgment that one hasn't forgotten the dentist's appointment, reminders to the kids, lunch dates, etc. All of which could be useful, I guess, to some future researcher who wanted to document the life moment by moment. It suggests to me another instance of having so much data that it becomes impossible to use it. A disease we're all coping with. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 15:29:16 2011 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:29:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <8CDD19572C1E504-1974-202C5@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> References: <21393820.1303753950117.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CDD19572C1E504-1974-202C5@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Christian Bok says he spends 2 hours per day on e-mail. Knowing him a little, I'd dare say the e-mails are extremely polished and self-archived. (And an investment.) Time for a nap. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > I'm sure you're correct about the dross emails. Then again there are > increasingly sophisticated search functions available these days that would > make it easier for tech-savvy scholars to find the more relevant emails. > > I wonder how many poets of like renown have had the discipline to > auto-archive their emails since the early days of internet, and then to keep > it from evaporating into random bytes and bits when they moved from one ISP > to another. I suspect she's a bit ahead of curve compared to many of her > contemporaries: First you have to recognize (or someone else has to for you) > that this digital material might be of interest. Then you have take care > that stuff gets saved and backed up. > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: junction at earthlink.net > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 1:52 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from > poet Wendy Cope > > Assuming that Wendy Cope uses email in much the way the rest of us do, > those 40,000 emails would be mostly pretty boring stuff--acknowledgment that > one hasn't forgotten the dentist's appointment, reminders to the kids, lunch > dates, etc. All of which could be useful, I guess, to some future researcher > who wanted to document the life moment by moment. It suggests to me another > instance of having so much data that it becomes impossible to use it. A > disease we're all coping with. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 15:58:37 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:58:37 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] New at My Blog In-Reply-To: <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Ahhhh, that is what Bob was waiting for, that little kid is able to get the attention of everybody and several times a day. You Bobby, go and do some homework, ... On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/25/2011 11:10 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > >> It's hard to imagine that anyone could fill David Graham's shoes. >> >> But David is right about Wilshberia not being particularly useless as >> anything but a sneer. I think Bob is really interesting on the stuff that he >> likes, less so on the stuff that he doesn't, and not entirely convincing in >> his liberal media conspiracy theories about how everyone would really like >> rebuses if only the establishment weren't conspiring to keep the public from >> knowing about them. >> >> I hearken back to an earlier generation of this discussion, when Bob was >> talking about the importance of creating a taxonomy of contemporary poetry, >> but his taxonomy included Wilshberia. I suggested that this was like making >> a taxonomy of automobiles, including (enumerated) different kinds of >> Volkswagens, and then a category for all those other cars. Bob's response >> was essentially "What's wrong with that?" >> >> It was not. > > > > I will, however, consent, if drafted, to be president of Freedonia. >> >> My taxonomy NEVER included "Wilshberia," Tad, and as I keep telling you, > rebuses have almost nothing to do with visual poetry. To call visual poetry > rebuses is like calling all regular poetry nursery rhymes. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 16:42:24 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:42:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope Message-ID: <24738249.1303764144858.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 25 18:12:55 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:12:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <3803677.1303762953427.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3803677.1303762953427.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4DB5F1E7.6070404@nut-n-but.net> On 4/25/2011 3:22 PM, junction at earthlink.net wrote: > It's a question not just of obsessiveness but of how one values one's > time. Assuming a 35 hour work week (time off for lunch, natch) that's > 15 weeks. Say he does this for 40 years. That's 11 1/2 years. The > email part of his archive would have to be incredibly valuable to earn > him a living wage. And of course it's a gamble that the value-added of > his reputation won't diminish over time. > > Better to get a life, I'd think. I don't see that at all. Why shouldn't e.mails be part of one's vocation as a writer? Why wouldn't saying things in e.mails be practice and rough-drafting and increase one's chances of accidentally having an insight? Etc. Especially e.mails to groups like this--which have the special benefit of showing the writer interacting, and others interacting back. They can also show the occasional or frequent ineptitude of supposedly superior writers, which--I suspect--is the reason many Big Names eschew e.mailing. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Haydn's a blast. Hey, I'm with you." > > Put a dollar amount on any of these. Or decide that he world will be a > poorer place if they're not preserved forever. Regardless of how much > fun or reassurance they provided in the moment. I recently wondered about how much Bukowski may have influenced Matthews or vice versa. Problem solved for a historian who wondered about it, too, if one or the other made a comment on the other as above. Although I personally wish more people would make comments of substance. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:06:49 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:06:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've tried to join WOMPO, but for some reason it never works and I can't get in. So disappointed. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, David Graham wrote: > I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that list), > and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number of > fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) > who contributed. ?And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and > preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. > > The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable > annoyances, finally made me go dormant. ?But I still drop into the archives > from time to time. > > > On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: > > A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions regularly > is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). > > How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? ?Problem for > them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails > asking for help, autographed copies and advice. ?I know because I made a > 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. ?I thought it was pretty > obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by > a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). ?I can't tell you > how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. ?Some of them were > even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... > > Amy > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 25 20:28:07 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:28:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: References: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD1BFF323EB56-1620-269E9@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> eTh Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope I've tried to join WOMPO, but for some reason it never works and I an't get in. So disappointed. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, David Graham wrote: I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that list), and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number of fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) who contributed. And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable annoyances, finally made me go dormant. But I still drop into the archives from time to time. On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions regularly is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? Problem for them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails asking for help, autographed copies and advice. I know because I made a 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. I thought it was pretty obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). I can't tell you how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. Some of them were even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... Amy -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- atricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable fa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com merging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University f Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will ive you the right one." Anonymous. ______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 25 20:31:13 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:31:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <8CDD1BFF323EB56-1620-269E9@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <210681.63331.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CDD1BFF323EB56-1620-269E9@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD1C061ADF3C6-1620-26A78@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> They may be over their quota of "Patricias". But I'm happy you found NewPoetry. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope eTh Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Patricia F Anderson To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope I've tried to join WOMPO, but for some reason it never works and I an't get in. So disappointed. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, David Graham wrote: I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that list), and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number of fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) who contributed. And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable annoyances, finally made me go dormant. But I still drop into the archives from time to time. On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions regularly is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? Problem for them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails asking for help, autographed copies and advice. I know because I made a 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. I thought it was pretty obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created by a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). I can't tell you how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. Some of them were even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... Amy -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- atricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable fa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com merging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University f Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will ive you the right one." 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Patricia was evidently a rather popular name middle of last century. ;) Thank you most kindly. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > They may be over their quota of "Patricias". But I'm happy you found > NewPoetry. > Finnegan > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 8:28 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet > Wendy Cope > > eTh > > Jim Finnegan > 860-508-2810 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia F Anderson > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 7:06 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet > Wendy Cope > > I've tried to join WOMPO, but for some reason it never works and I > can't get in. So disappointed. > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, David Graham wrote: >> I used to be fairly regular on WomPo (one of the token males on that >> list), >> and one attractive feature of the list was that there were a number of >> fairly well known poets (Hacker, Alicia Ostriker, Patricia Smith, et al.) >> who contributed. ?And that substantive discussion, rather than flames and >> preening, regularly occurred alongside the other stuff. >> >> The sheer number of postings, along with some other list-inevitable >> annoyances, finally made me go dormant. ?But I still drop into the >> archives >> from time to time. >> >> >> On 4/25/11 11:10 AM, "amy king" wrote: >> >> A poet among the Academy ranks who does join in online discussions >> regularly >> is Marilyn Hacker (mostly on WOMPO). >> >> How do we know such major poets don't join in under pseudonyms? ?Problem >> for >> them is that once they become accessible, they are bombarded with emails >> asking for help, autographed copies and advice. ?I know because I made a >> 'fan' account long ago on Myspace for John Ashbery. ?I thought it was >> pretty >> obvious that Ashbery was not on Myspace and that the profile was created >> by >> a fan (I also created one for Gertrude Stein at the time). ?I can't tell >> you >> how many emails "John Ashbery" received and the range. ?Some of them were >> even very depressing requests for help by poor undiscovered geniuses... >> >> Amy >> >> -- >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." Anonymous. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 25 21:36:41 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:36:41 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope In-Reply-To: <5464650.1303762451694.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5464650.1303762451694.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDD1C987307691-1620-2776C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Well then you have to have your graduate students cull through the 40000. They're young, eager to please, and they drink strong coffee. -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope The problem is, what I know to search for reflects what I already know or suspect. Lost in his emails may be Melville's note to a female relative saying "meet me at the usual place. Can't wait!" dated just before he began Pierre. You get my drift. What appears irrelevant is often not so irrelevant. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Apr 25, 2011 3:23 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope I'm sure you're correct about the dross emails. Then again there are increasingly sophisticated search functions available these days that would make it easier for tech-savvy scholars to find the more relevant emails. I wonder how many poets of like renown have had the discipline to auto-archive their emails since the early days of internet, and then to keep it from evaporating into random bytes and bits when they moved from one ISP to another. I suspect she's a bit ahead of curve compared to many of her contemporaries: First you have to recognize (or someone else has to for you) that this digital material might be of interest. Then you have take care that stuff gets saved and backed up. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: junction at earthlink.net To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] British Library purchases 40, 000 emails from poet Wendy Cope Assuming that Wendy Cope uses email in much the way the rest of us do, those 40,000 emails would be mostly pretty boring stuff--acknowledgment that one hasn't forgotten the dentist's appointment, reminders to the kids, lunch dates, etc. All of which could be useful, I guess, to some future researcher who wanted to document the life moment by moment. It suggests to me another instance of having so much data that it becomes impossible to use it. A disease we're all coping with. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 26 09:42:54 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:42:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] capital "A" by LZ Message-ID: <8CDD22EFA90740B-150C-2F22E@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-24/news/29468892_1_louis-zukofsky-poetry-bob-perelman Mammoth poem of a century Louis Zukofsky's modernist epic "A" merges poetry and politics, reaches musically back in time. April 24, 2011 New Directions. 846 pp. $24.95 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reviewed by Bob Perelman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reissue of Louis Zukofsky's long poem "A" is a most welcome event. In the innovative regions of the poetic universe, Zukofsky is a major presence: Thanks to the enthusiasm of figures such as Robert Creeley, Robert Duncan, and the Language poets, there now is a population of admirers who will be glad "A" is back in print. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 26 11:57:31 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:57:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB6EB6B.2020204@nut-n-but.net> I've long participated in a newsgroup about who wrote Shakespeare's works, HLAS. Recently I've been noticing arguments of mine being used by other participants, in my wording. No big deal: I'm sure I've used some of their arguments in their wording. What occurred to me, though, is that what a fertile field to explore by scholars interested in how ideas, ways of expression and the like percolate through a group of people. Here at New-Poetry and at HLAS such things are tagged and dated, and one can find who was directly exposed to them and responded to them. I should think it would be relatively easy after the thirteen or so years of HLAS to sketch an influence tree showing who initiated the most ideas or novel expressions or whatever and where they went. Participants could be marked 19% influencing, 23% uninfluenced, 11% influenced by Smith, 9% influenced by Jones, and so on. That could lead to a study of the difference between those who most influenced others and those who were most influenced by others. And the really interesting ones, the ones who said tghe most without influencing anyone . . . --Bob G. From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 26 11:09:48 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:09:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Center Digital Archive Message-ID: <8CDD23B1E8B7526-110C-3A375@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/poetrycenter Poetry Center Digital Archive makes available significant portions of early audio recordings from the Poetry Center's American Poetry Archives collection, supplemented by select archival texts and images. New files will be added incrementally as recordings are prepared and as we proceed through the collection from the 1950s onward. -- Also, I've begun posting and indexing other poetry audio & video sites over on LitStation... http://litstation.blogspot.com/ Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Tue Apr 26 11:11:50 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:11:50 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DB6EB6B.2020204@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> <4DB6EB6B.2020204@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I don't know if it has been done with writer's groups in particular, but social network analysis of this kind is a big topic in some circles because of the explosion in social groups where the interaction remains visible for such analysis. I've been to a few conferences where SNA was pretty much the only topic going. The interaction of influence, strong and weak ties, etc. are important to understanding community and, so the theory goes, building successful networks and communities. It's also obviously interesting to those who want to sell things using those networks, which is of course why most of the contemporary web examples ultimately exist, ad sales being the selfish gene of the web body. c On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've long participated in a newsgroup about who wrote Shakespeare's works, > HLAS. ?Recently I've been noticing arguments of mine being used by other > participants, in my wording. ?No big deal: I'm sure I've used some of their > arguments in their wording. ?What occurred to me, though, is that what a > fertile field to explore by scholars interested in how ideas, ways of > expression and the like percolate through a group of people. ?Here at > New-Poetry and at HLAS such things are tagged and dated, and one can find > who was directly exposed to them and responded to them. ?I should think it > would be relatively easy after the thirteen or so years of HLAS to sketch an > influence tree showing who initiated the most ideas or novel expressions or > whatever and where they went. ?Participants could be marked 19% influencing, > 23% uninfluenced, 11% influenced by Smith, 9% influenced by Jones, and so > on. > > That could lead to a study of the difference between those who most > influenced others and those who were most influenced by others. ?And the > really interesting ones, the ones who said tghe most without influencing > anyone . . . > > --Bob G. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From junction at earthlink.net Tue Apr 26 11:42:27 2011 From: junction at earthlink.net (junction at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:42:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry Message-ID: <16650894.1303832547724.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Perhaps we could discover a correlation with climate and diet, testing, for instance, my hypothesis that those who most influence tend to live in vigorous climates and eat lots of red meat. -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Grumman >Sent: Apr 26, 2011 11:57 AM >To: NewPoetry List >Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry > >I've long participated in a newsgroup about who wrote Shakespeare's >works, HLAS. Recently I've been noticing arguments of mine being used >by other participants, in my wording. No big deal: I'm sure I've used >some of their arguments in their wording. What occurred to me, though, >is that what a fertile field to explore by scholars interested in how >ideas, ways of expression and the like percolate through a group of >people. Here at New-Poetry and at HLAS such things are tagged and >dated, and one can find who was directly exposed to them and responded >to them. I should think it would be relatively easy after the thirteen >or so years of HLAS to sketch an influence tree showing who initiated >the most ideas or novel expressions or whatever and where they went. >Participants could be marked 19% influencing, 23% uninfluenced, 11% >influenced by Smith, 9% influenced by Jones, and so on. > >That could lead to a study of the difference between those who most >influenced others and those who were most influenced by others. And the >really interesting ones, the ones who said tghe most without influencing >anyone . . . > >--Bob G. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:47:31 2011 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:47:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net> <4DB6EB6B.2020204@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: And then there's influence-peddling. - Jim On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > I don't know if it has been done with writer's groups in particular, > but social network analysis of this kind is a big topic in some > circles because of the explosion in social groups where the > interaction remains visible for such analysis. I've been to a few > conferences where SNA was pretty much the only topic going. The > interaction of influence, strong and weak ties, etc. are important to > understanding community and, so the theory goes, building successful > networks and communities. It's also obviously interesting to those who > want to sell things using those networks, which is of course why most > of the contemporary web examples ultimately exist, ad sales being the > selfish gene of the web body. > > c > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > I've long participated in a newsgroup about who wrote Shakespeare's > works, > > HLAS. Recently I've been noticing arguments of mine being used by other > > participants, in my wording. No big deal: I'm sure I've used some of > their > > arguments in their wording. What occurred to me, though, is that what a > > fertile field to explore by scholars interested in how ideas, ways of > > expression and the like percolate through a group of people. Here at > > New-Poetry and at HLAS such things are tagged and dated, and one can find > > who was directly exposed to them and responded to them. I should think > it > > would be relatively easy after the thirteen or so years of HLAS to sketch > an > > influence tree showing who initiated the most ideas or novel expressions > or > > whatever and where they went. Participants could be marked 19% > influencing, > > 23% uninfluenced, 11% influenced by Smith, 9% influenced by Jones, and so > > on. > > > > That could lead to a study of the difference between those who most > > influenced others and those who were most influenced by others. 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 26 12:59:47 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:59:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Value of Internet Groups like New-Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DB55B32.3060007@nut-n-but.net> <4DB5C087.3000708@nut-n-but.net><4DB6EB6B.2020204@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DB6FA03.5080206@nut-n-but.net> On 4/26/2011 10:11 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > I don't know if it has been done with writer's groups in particular, > but social network analysis of this kind is a big topic in some > circles because of the explosion in social groups where the > interaction remains visible for such analysis. I've been to a few > conferences where SNA was pretty much the only topic going. The > interaction of influence, strong and weak ties, etc. are important to > understanding community and, so the theory goes, building successful > networks and communities. It's also obviously interesting to those who > want to sell things using those networks, which is of course why most > of the contemporary web examples ultimately exist, ad sales being the > selfish gene of the web body. > > c Interesting. I'm obviously out of the loop in that area. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 12:28:43 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:28:43 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Corner, an update Message-ID: Unluckily my mail does not go through on this list, please check my update on my blog: http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2011/04/poets-corner-update.html Thank you, Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 12:33:51 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:33:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] capital "A" by LZ In-Reply-To: <8CDD22EFA90740B-150C-2F22E@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD22EFA90740B-150C-2F22E@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Excellent review, thanks to both, Bob Perelman and James for having forwarded it. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:42 PM, wrote: > http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-24/news/29468892_1_louis-zukofsky-poetry-bob-perelman > Mammoth poem of a century > Louis Zukofsky's modernist epic "A" merges poetry and politics, reaches > musically back in time. > April 24, 2011 > > New Directions. > 846 pp. $24.95 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reviewed by Bob Perelman > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The reissue of Louis Zukofsky's long poem "A" is a most welcome event. In > the innovative regions of the poetic universe, Zukofsky is a major presence: > Thanks to the enthusiasm of figures such as Robert Creeley, Robert Duncan, > and the Language poets, there now is a population of admirers who will be > glad "A" is back in print. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 26 12:48:34 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:48:34 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] a new update for the Poets' Corner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDD248EA53FC16-1E28-5D5@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Anny, this got thru to me on list on Sat... Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 7:03 am Subject: [New-Poetry] a new update for the Poets' Corner Dear All, The present update is in the Memory of My Father and dedicated to those who have suffered _because of greed, with a particular Thank You to Berty Skuber for her wonderful Golden Fall for my father and to those who have had kind words in this moment of grief. To the contributors, my very special acknowledgment. New Authors on the Corner: Adriano Kestenholz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=383 Lori Desrosiers http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=384 Donna Kuhn http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=385 Barbara Ellen Sorensen http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=386 Martha Deed http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=387 Dawn Leslie Lenz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=388 Amy Kohut http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=389 Jane Sprague http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=390 Pam Bernard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=391 Lunn Domina http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=392 Ernesto Priego http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=394 Marc Olmsted http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=395 Paul Nelson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=396 Kathy Figueroa http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=397 Karen Margolis http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=398 Basil King http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=399 New Poems by already featured Authors: Elizabeth Smither Amy brings the thesaurus http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3479 Edward Mycue DYING LET IT GO http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3481 GARDENING WITH FIVE SISTERS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3519 EVERYDAY BANE AND PROMISE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3520 A DEMOCRACY OF ONE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3530 FISHBOWL http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3593 HE WANTED TO BE LOVED FOR HIMSELF http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3594 DON?T BE LIKE THE SNAKE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3595 Jerry McGuire NOT-LAUGHING GAS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3483 THE TREMORS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3484 THE HUEY LONG TRANSPORT CENTER AND VALENTINE EQUIPMENT REPAIR STAGING AREA http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3485 MY HULA GIRL http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3486 RUMMAGE SALE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3487 A PLEASURE TO KNOW http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3488 ?NATURE ABHORS THE SUPERFLUOUS? http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3489 MORTON FELDMAN?S ROTHKO CHAPEL http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3490 Frank Parker Chorus Through My Veins http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3497 Letters from Tucson http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3498 O My Words http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3499 Greek Lyrics http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3500 But First I Need A Kiss http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3501 awoke with my socks on http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3502 ?Down on the corner, just about supper time?? http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3503 Moon Flowers Sky http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3504 Language http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3505 Song http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3506 Mirror in a Garden http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3507 December Dyad: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3590 Eastern Sounds http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3591 old time religion http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3680 Lars Palm whichever it was it still http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3508 (passenger list for doomed flight 1721) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3509 grinning like an under http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3510 this displeased baby some http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3511 (swinging with ana) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3512 (rob tomorrow) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3513 (london 24:x:10) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3514 Jesse Glass Epigram http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3515 On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3516 On A Reading of Local Poets http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3557 Some Thoughts on Stephen Hawking http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3574 Sheila Murphy Theory Apart from Practice http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3521 James Cervantes Mimic http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3522 Allen Bramhall The Cost Leaves and Snow http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3523 Max Richards Spring to Summer http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3529 Mountain Ash http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3553 Halvard Johnson Paranoja http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3536 Berty Skuber Berty's table in Venice http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3542 Golden Fall for Vitale Ballardini http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3566 Alan Sondheim there is no room at the inn http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3543 Amy King translated by Anny Ballardini Istinto Necessario http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3541 Sharon Brogan 04 january 2011 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3554 You follow this arrow http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3570 Jill Jones Recoveries http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3555 Alexander Jorgensen & Yves Sauriol http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3556 Berry Alpert STRAUB/HUILLET AT WORK ON KAFKA?S AMERIKA [via Harun Farocki] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3568 STRAUB/HUILLET AT WORK ON VITTORINI?S SICILIA! [via Pedro Costa] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3571 STRAUB/HUILLET?S LAUNDRY BREAK WHILE AT WORK ON SICILIA! [via Pedro Costa?s 6 BAGATELAS & for Daniele Huillet] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3617 CHARLES BURNETT TALKED & ANSWERED QUESTIONS (modestly) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3618 DECHAINEES [via Raymond Vouillamoz & Stephane Mitchell] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3619 A LETTER TO UNCLE BOONMEE & HIS RESPONSE [via Apichatpong Weerasethakul] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3620 John Bennet mytoothsmoke http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3569 Charles Martin CRYSTAL SILENCE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3572 Abundant Moon http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3592 Eugen Galasso Poesiole e un raccontino http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3575 Under Reviews: Lidia Vianu Interview with Lidia Vianu (by Anny Ballardini) http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=268 And 3 by Eugen Galasso: Gertrud Isolani e il lascito ebraico di Eugen Galasso http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=269 Alexandre Dumas di Eugen Galasso http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=270 Maurice Leblanc di Eugen Galasso http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=271 My best wishes, Anny Ballardini -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 13:18:17 2011 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:18:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] capital "A" by LZ In-Reply-To: References: <8CDD22EFA90740B-150C-2F22E@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For anyone who is interested, Barry Ahern's book on "A" provides an intelligent access/commentary. It is titled, simply, *Zukofsky's "A". * On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Excellent review, thanks to both, Bob Perelman and James for having > forwarded it. > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:42 PM, wrote: > > > http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-24/news/29468892_1_louis-zukofsky-poetry-bob-perelman > > Mammoth poem of a century > > Louis Zukofsky's modernist epic "A" merges poetry and politics, reaches > > musically back in time. > > April 24, 2011 > > > > New Directions. > > 846 pp. $24.95 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Reviewed by Bob Perelman > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The reissue of Louis Zukofsky's long poem "A" is a most welcome event. In > > the innovative regions of the poetic universe, Zukofsky is a major > presence: > > Thanks to the enthusiasm of figures such as Robert Creeley, Robert > Duncan, > > and the Language poets, there now is a population of admirers who will be > > glad "A" is back in print. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:12:13 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:12:13 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] a new update for the Poets' Corner In-Reply-To: <8CDD248EA53FC16-1E28-5D5@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD248EA53FC16-1E28-5D5@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: sorry. I received a strange message that the mail was waiting for your permission. Thanks. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:48 PM, wrote: > Anny, this got thru to me on list on Sat... > Finnegan > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 7:03 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] a new update for the Poets' Corner > > Dear All, > > The present update is in the Memory of My Father and dedicated to those who > have suffered _because of greed, with a particular Thank You to Berty Skuber > for her wonderful Golden Fallfor my father and to those who have had kind words in this moment of grief. > > To the contributors, my very special acknowledgment. > * * > *New Authors on the Corner:* > * * > *Adriano Kestenholz* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=383 > * > ** > * * > * * > *Lori Desrosiers* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=384 > * > ** > * * > * * > *Donna Kuhn* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=385 > * > ** > * * > * * > *Barbara Ellen Sorensen* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=386 > * > ** > * * > * * > *Martha Deed* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=387 > * > * * > * * > *Dawn Leslie Lenz* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=388 > * > ** > * * > *Amy Kohut* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=389 > * > * * > *Jane Sprague* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=390 > * > ** > * * > *Pam Bernard* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=391 > * > ** > * * > *Lunn Domina* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=392 > * > ** > * * > *Ernesto Priego* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=394 > * > * * > *Marc Olmsted* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=395 > * > * * > *Paul Nelson* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=396 > * > ** > * * > *Kathy Figueroa* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=397 > * > ** > * * > *Karen Margolis* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=398 > * > ** > * * > *Basil King* > * > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=399 > * > ** > * * > * * > * * > > *New Poems by already featured Authors:* > * * > *Elizabeth Smither* > Amy brings the thesaurus > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3479 > > *Edward Mycue* > DYING LET IT GO > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3481 > > GARDENING WITH FIVE SISTERS > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3519 > > EVERYDAY BANE AND PROMISE > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3520 > > A DEMOCRACY OF ONE > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3530 > > FISHBOWL > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3593 > > HE WANTED TO BE LOVED FOR HIMSELF > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3594 > > DON?T BE LIKE THE SNAKE > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3595 > * * > * * > *Jerry McGuire* > NOT-LAUGHING GAS > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3483 > > THE TREMORS > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3484 > > THE HUEY LONG TRANSPORT CENTER AND VALENTINE EQUIPMENT REPAIR STAGING AREA > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3485 > > MY HULA GIRL > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3486 > > RUMMAGE SALE > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3487 > > A PLEASURE TO KNOW > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3488 > > ?NATURE ABHORS THE SUPERFLUOUS? > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3489 > > MORTON FELDMAN?S ROTHKO CHAPEL > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3490 > * * > * * > *Frank Parker* > Chorus Through My Veins > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3497 > > Letters from Tucson > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3498 > > O My Words > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3499 > > Greek Lyrics > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3500 > > But First I Need A Kiss > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3501 > > awoke with my socks on > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3502 > > ?Down on the corner, just about supper time?? > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3503 > > Moon Flowers Sky > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3504 > > Language > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3505 > > Song > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3506 > > Mirror in a Garden > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3507 > > December Dyad: > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3590 > > Eastern Sounds > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3591 > > old time religion > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3680 > > * * > *Lars Palm* > whichever it was it still > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3508 > > (passenger list for doomed flight 1721) > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3509 > > grinning like an under > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3510 > > this displeased baby some > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3511 > > (swinging with ana) > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3512 > > (rob tomorrow) > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3513 > > (london 24:x:10) > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3514 > > > * * > *Jesse Glass* > Epigram > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3515 > > On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3516 > > On A Reading of Local Poets > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3557 > > Some Thoughts on Stephen Hawking > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3574 > > * * > *Sheila Murphy* > Theory Apart from Practice > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3521 > * * > *James Cervantes* > Mimic > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3522 > > *Allen Bramhall* > The Cost Leaves and Snow > *http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3523* > * * > > *Max Richards* > Spring to Summer > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3529 > > Mountain Ash > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3553 > > *Halvard Johnson* > Paranoja > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3536 > > *Berty Skuber* > Berty's table in Venice > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3542 > > Golden Fall for Vitale Ballardini > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3566 > > *Alan Sondheim* > there is no room at the inn > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3543 > > *Amy King translated by Anny Ballardini* > Istinto Necessario > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3541 > > *Sharon Brogan* > 04 january 2011 > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3554 > > You follow this arrow > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3570 > > *Jill Jones* > Recoveries > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3555 > > Alexander Jorgensen & Yves Sauriol > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3556 > > *Berry Alpert* > STRAUB/HUILLET AT WORK ON KAFKA?S AMERIKA [via Harun Farocki] > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3568 > > STRAUB/HUILLET AT WORK ON VITTORINI?S SICILIA! [via Pedro Costa] > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3571 > > STRAUB/HUILLET?S LAUNDRY BREAK WHILE AT WORK ON SICILIA! [via Pedro > Costa?s 6 BAGATELAS & for Daniele Huillet] > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3617 > > CHARLES BURNETT TALKED & ANSWERED QUESTIONS (modestly) > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3618 > > DECHAINEES [via Raymond Vouillamoz & Stephane Mitchell] > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3619 > > A LETTER TO UNCLE BOONMEE & HIS RESPONSE [via Apichatpong Weerasethakul] > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3620 > > *John Bennet* > mytoothsmoke > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3569 > > *Charles Martin* > CRYSTAL SILENCE > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3572 > > Abundant Moon > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3592 > > *Eugen Galasso* > Poesiole e un raccontino > > > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3575 > > > *Under Reviews:* > *Lidia Vianu* > Interview with Lidia Vianu(by Anny Ballardini) > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=268 > > *And 3 by Eugen Galasso:* > Gertrud Isolani e il lascito ebraico di Eugen Galasso > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=269 > > Alexandre Dumas di Eugen Galasso > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=270 > > Maurice Leblanc di Eugen Galasso > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poemreviews/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=271 > > > > My best wishes, > Anny Ballardini > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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The issue, in terms of archives, is reluctance on the part of libraries to house elecronic archives, so the poets or those they hire have had to print out their emails, an arduous enough process that few bother. I didn't read the article, but I assume that in this case the archive is on a flash drive. -----Original Message----- >From: David Graham >Sent: Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM >To: NewPoetry >Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry via email > >I don't know about "names" vs. "no names," but like others I suspect that >the normal business of poets sending drafts out to friends for critique, >gossiping about prizes and jobs, and generally networking, all happens >mostly via email these days. > >Maybe some of the Bly/Rich generation have not made the move to >corresponding mainly by email, but I strongly suspect that most poets who >are under retirement age have. For one thing, we all have to use email at >work, some of us (teachers, etc.) quite heavily. > >So I'm guessing that the Wendy Cope news is just one of the first such >stories we'll be seeing in upcoming years, as elder poets look for places to >archive their years and years of e-correspondence. > >I'm not a name & never will be, but a great deal of my poetry-related >activity happens electronically, and much of it is not public. I workshop >and swap drafts with friends, collaborate with colleagues on book projects, >stay in touch with other poets about various face-to-face events, send out >news of my own online pubs, and so forth. Kate Sontag and I put together >much of our essay anthology, *After Confession* via email one summer when I >was on a lake in the Adirondacks and she was on an island off the coast of >Maine. Lord knows how many gigabytes of correspondence we have on our hard >drives related to this project. > >Even on Facebook, which is for me only quasi-public ("only friends"), >there's a lot of poetic activity occurring regularly. > >And much of it will go poof and be lost to future generations, not that >anyone's likely to care in my case. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * 2011/4/27 Crisman Cooley > Hal - just noticing how this - and other of your work - reminds me of > Ashbery, but funnier and without JA's drab insistence on melancholy - you > are infinitely lighter & more deft. > > >> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:20:28 -0500 > > From: Halvard Johnson >> >> Dans une autre chambre du ch?teau >> >> >> 1) >> Look you lay home to him. Something >> there is that doesn?t particularly care for >> parsnips. Thus, the bottlery. >> >> 2) >> Dayton, Ohio, might be a good choice >> if you?re looking for someplace >> to go quietly mad. >> >> 3) >> One wonders if Augustals ever married. >> And, if they did, who?d have them. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Apr 28 09:29:08 2011 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:29:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Iowa Writers' Workshop at 75 In-Reply-To: <8CDC849857B730B-2010-303A3@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDC75CB6E6DD6B-498-7467@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> <8CDC849857B730B-2010-303A3@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I was 1961-63. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM, wrote: > I thought you and Tad were in the first couple classes? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:43 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Iowa Writers' Workshop at 75 > > We didn't have our own little house when I was there. > > - Jim > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:12 PM, wrote: > >> >> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/jan-june11/iowawriters_04-07.html >> # >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sol Literary Magazine: http://solliterarymagazine.com/ > The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Categorizing poets this or that I leave to men on tiny promontories surrounded by vast seas. Earthlings, for example. > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:09:20 -0500 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du ch?teau > > Thank you very much, sirrah. (I hope you're > not an academic who's just certified me a > Wilshberian--are you?) > > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Hal > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 16:20:05 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:20:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du ch?teau In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, you must have Grumman in mind. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > Hahaha! > > I'm an academic in the School of One. > > Categorizing poets this or that I leave to men on tiny promontories > surrounded by vast seas. Earthlings, for example. > > > > >> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:09:20 -0500 >> From: Halvard Johnson >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du ch?teau >> >> Thank you very much, sirrah. (I hope you're >> not an academic who's just certified me a >> Wilshberian--are you?) >> >> >> Serving the tri-state area. >> >> Hal >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I was a tenant lawyer working in Boston's Latino community during the late 1980s and early 1990s.)" What motivates your writing? Please take me through the process, from conception through drafting. "I am a narrative poet. I tell stories. Therefore, for me, the poem often begins with an untold tale or an unsung hero. I also write autobiographical poems, based on my experiences growing up Puerto Rican in Brooklyn during the 1960s. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 05:06:22 2011 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:06:22 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wild Geese Alighting on the Piney Slopes of Mt. Tremper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A prosaic haiku, starting from the title. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Wild Geese Alighting on the Piney Slopes of Mt. Tremper > > Something bassoonish in the wind, clouds amassing > just over there beyond the ridge. > > > > > Serving the tri-state area. > Hal > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home > > Mainly Black,?Obras P?blicas;?The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other > Sonnets; > Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones;?Tango Bouquet;?Theory of Harmony; > Rapsodie espagnole;?Guide to the Tokyo Subway;?The Sonnet Project; > G(e)nome;?Winter Journey;?Eclipse;?The Dance of the Red Swan; > Transparencies & Projections > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 29 11:24:29 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:24:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Shivani re Orr's Beautiful & Pointless Message-ID: <8CDD498AA9EAF27-10FC-7A47@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/beautiful-and-pointless-poetry_b_847197.html But here comes Orr--lawyer, New York Times poetry critic, and Poetry magazine reviewer--to squeeze all the passion out of poetry criticism, telling us that he came to the profession after having "acquired enough knowledge about poetry [in college] to feel that I ought to be telling people how (not) to write it. By my second year of law school, I'd published my first review in Poetry magazine." In Beautiful and Pointless, he takes on modern poetry in curiously laid-back language, full of complacent qualifiers and modifiers, choked with asides that strangle the least hint of strong judgment. Orr wants to remove poetry to a realm of cultural irrelevance, presuming its marginality and wishing readers to come around to his point of view. A curious, but very revealing, thing about the book is its lack of intended audience. Orr says that he wants to "give you a sense of what modern poets think about, how those poets talk about what they're thinking about, and...how an individual poetry reader relates to the art," and that he wants an "interested outsider to understand what poetry readers are talking about when they're talking about poetry." His chapters include "The Personal, The Political, Form, Ambition, The Fishbowl (which focuses on the sociology of poetry), and Why Bother?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ccooley at overdomain.com Fri Apr 29 15:12:05 2011 From: ccooley at overdomain.com (Crisman Cooley) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:12:05 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du chateau Message-ID: Shall we discuss *Peri Hermeneias? Or would you, like me, rather die of boredom? * > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:09:36 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du ch?teau > > On 4/28/2011 3:07 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > > Hahaha! > > > > I'm an academic in the School of One. > > > > Categorizing poets this or that I leave to men on tiny promontories > > surrounded by vast seas. > And giving them names of no use to anyone like "The Pacific" or "The > Atlantic." > > > Earthlings, for example. > Watch it, Crisman. That sounds suspiciously like categorization to me. > > Ah, but it's a categorization of something leagues less gloriously > undefinable as . . . /poets/. > > --Bob > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 15:10:30 2011 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hate Mail by Stephen Russell running 3rd Message-ID: <656680.16466.qm@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Does anyone on new poetry do Goodreads? I've decided to lobby for my poem. Amy King is the host on the Goodreads Published Authors section. Each month they run a poetry contest. The judges ( Amy isn't a judge ) pick the 5 finalist and the readers choose a winner. I've managed to be a finalist 3, maybe 4 times ( have to check on that ), but have yet to win. A current poem of mine ( Hate Mail ) is among this month's finalist. Here's the voting so far. I'm running a distant third. If anyone on new poetry does actually do Goodreads, please give my poem a read and consider voting for it. Here's the voting and the poem: Salt -- Susan F. 41 votes 42.3% Olives, Bread, Honey, and Salt -- Melissa Stein 19 votes 19.6% Hate Mail -- Stephen Russell 15 votes 15.5% Diane loved anything orange --Chella Courington 11 votes 11.3% Gigli Sings Schubert's "Ave Maria" on a Victor Red Seal 78 RPM -- Karen George 7 votes 7.2% The Working Edge -- Jan Steckel 4 votes 4.1% Hate Mail same guy: i see him everyday on my side of the street, i'm reminded of my father-- those eyes: indefinite, cold & blue they hone in what do they want from me? i could ask i keep walking * at the methadone clinic they make you piss into tiny plastic cups eventually, the world becomes this giant bladder... * i don?t need a woman -- i don?t need a gun -- i want a bullet's simple calm -- i want the kind of death that growls -- * at the deli across the street, an elderly, Korean man, pitches me another stare, enough to make a hired assassin giggle like a girl. on CNN i saw a parade of coffins draped by flags blue, red, & white-- the next time a soldier salutes, i'll know which arm to amputate. * he's dependable: he's become a landmark, a footnote, a history too private to record. where he should have an arm there's an empty sleeve. something hangs from his neck, a medallion he wears like a crucifix bereft of Christ, must have got it in 'Nam, this medal, blue & gold, with the dispassionate eagle perched on top of an American flag. Valor, a jungle sniper aiming for the heart. When the next helicopter lands, he'll be lifted off, at home among the wounded. --Stephen Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Apr 29 17:04:07 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:04:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dans une autre chambre du chateau In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> On 4/29/2011 2:12 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > Shall we discuss /Peri Hermeneias? Or would you, like me, rather die > of boredom? / > What I'd rather do, when I have time, is continue to name and classify different kinds of contemporary poetry in English--and call attention to the fact that WIlshberia is not the only realm that produces effective examples of it. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 07:59:23 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:59:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> I would love to hear what New-Poetry participants think of the artworks at http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.com. One of them was posted there each day in April. They're supposed to be visual poems, but I find the majority of them either not visual enough to qualify as that or not verbal enough. One of my favorite pieces, for instance, is Sheila Murphy's--but how anyone could call it a poem is beyond me. I love "Archipelago," too, but can't make out what the words say. (Note: it may take you a while to recognize the archipelago--it did me.) Everything there, however, is non-Wilshberian, so here's your chance to get back at me for what some consider to be my sneers at the poetry of WIlshberia. Or will you all ignore it--as I so often claim English department academics ignore all poetry outside Wilshberia? --Bob From tad at opus40.org Sat Apr 30 09:01:48 2011 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:01:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Leaping around in time and space Message-ID: > > Having spent a decade each on two previous books, Kingston was keen to up > her own pace, and says she wrote this one in verse "to hasten the pace of > creation. Because poetry is > condensed I don't have to make my way right over to the right margin, I > don't have to leap around in time and space, and I can say a lot with fewer > words if I can just find the right words." http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/apr/26/maxine-hong-kingston-whitman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 09:52:42 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:52:42 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob, I am puzzled. Perhaps you shared the wrong link? There is nothing there but a placeholder website to sell the domain name. - Patricia On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I would love to hear what New-Poetry participants think of the artworks at > http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.com. ?One of them was posted there each day > in April. ?They're supposed to be visual poems, but I find the majority of > them either not visual enough to qualify as that or not verbal enough. ?One > of my favorite pieces, for instance, is Sheila Murphy's--but how anyone > could call it a poem is beyond me. ?I love "Archipelago," too, but can't > make out what the words say. (Note: it may take you a while to recognize the > archipelago--it did me.) > > Everything there, however, is non-Wilshberian, so here's your chance to get > back at me for what some consider to be my sneers at the poetry of > WIlshberia. ?Or will you all ignore it--as I so often claim English > department academics ignore all poetry outside Wilshberia? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From chris at chrislott.org Sat Apr 30 10:30:31 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:30:31 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I believe Bob meant: http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/ c On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: > Bob, I am puzzled. Perhaps you shared the wrong link? There is nothing > there but a placeholder website to sell the domain name. - Patricia > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> I would love to hear what New-Poetry participants think of the artworks at >> http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.com. ?One of them was posted there each day >> in April. ?They're supposed to be visual poems, but I find the majority of >> them either not visual enough to qualify as that or not verbal enough. ?One >> of my favorite pieces, for instance, is Sheila Murphy's--but how anyone >> could call it a poem is beyond me. ?I love "Archipelago," too, but can't >> make out what the words say. (Note: it may take you a while to recognize the >> archipelago--it did me.) >> >> Everything there, however, is non-Wilshberian, so here's your chance to get >> back at me for what some consider to be my sneers at the poetry of >> WIlshberia. ?Or will you all ignore it--as I so often claim English >> department academics ignore all poetry outside Wilshberia? >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." Anonymous. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Apr 30 10:45:50 2011 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:45:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> Like some a lot, give a shrug for others, and don't much care what category any of them are slotted in. I'm particularly fond of April 19 at the moment. For a visual poetry site it's pretty clunky to navigate, though, isn't it? No way to scan thumbnails of the whole month, no slideshow feature, no way to enlarge the images, etc. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 30, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I would love to hear what New-Poetry participants think of the artworks at http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.com. One of them was posted there each day in April. They're supposed to be visual poems, but I find the majority of them either not visual enough to qualify as that or not verbal enough. One of my favorite pieces, for instance, is Sheila Murphy's--but how anyone could call it a poem is beyond me. I love "Archipelago," too, but can't make out what the words say. (Note: it may take you a while to recognize the archipelago--it did me.) > > Everything there, however, is non-Wilshberian, so here's your chance to get back at me for what some consider to be my sneers at the poetry of WIlshberia. Or will you all ignore it--as I so often claim English department academics ignore all poetry outside Wilshberia? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 30 11:51:33 2011 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:51:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> I bounced around on various dates, adn I don't know if I hit all the numbers but thanks for the link, Bob. I wonder who curated this exhibit? A varied lot and variable in terms of quality. David, I like #19, too. The simple conceptualism of #29 made me smile... http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=29 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:45 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry Like some a lot, give a shrug for others, and don't much care what category any f them are slotted in. I'm particularly fond of April 19 at the moment. For a visual poetry site it's pretty clunky to navigate, though, isn't it? No ay to scan thumbnails of the whole month, no slideshow feature, no way to nlarge the images, etc. ======================================= avid Graham rahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: ttp://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: ttp://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================= n Apr 30, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I would love to hear what New-Poetry participants think of the artworks at ttp://www.nationalpoetrymonth.com. One of them was posted there each day in pril. They're supposed to be visual poems, but I find the majority of them ither not visual enough to qualify as that or not verbal enough. One of my avorite pieces, for instance, is Sheila Murphy's--but how anyone could call it poem is beyond me. I love "Archipelago," too, but can't make out what the ords say. (Note: it may take you a while to recognize the archipelago--it did e.) Everything there, however, is non-Wilshberian, so here's your chance to get ack at me for what some consider to be my sneers at the poetry of WIlshberia. r will you all ignore it--as I so often claim English department academics gnore all poetry outside Wilshberia? --Bob _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 13:14:48 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 8:52 AM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: > Bob, I am puzzled. Perhaps you shared the wrong link? There is nothing > there but a placeholder website to sell the domain name. - Patricia Sorry, Patricia--I'm so used to "com," that I used it instead of "ca" in the address--as by now you've found out from Chris, I hope. Correct URL: http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca. Thanks for trying to take a look! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 13:17:20 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:17:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4DBC4420.2050507@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 9:45 AM, David Graham wrote: > Like some a lot, give a shrug for others, and don't much care what category any of them are slotted in. > > I'm particularly fond of April 19 at the moment. > > For a visual poetry site it's pretty clunky to navigate, though, isn't it? No way to scan thumbnails of the whole month, no slideshow feature, no way to enlarge the images, etc. Thanks for the feedback, David. One question: do you consider them all poems? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 13:22:16 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:22:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net><4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net>< 4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DBC4548.2020002@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 10:51 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > I bounced around on various dates, adn I don't know if I hit all the > numbers but thanks for the link, Bob. I wonder who > curated this exhibit? A varied lot and variable in terms of quality. > David, I like #19, too. > The simple conceptualism of #29 made me smile... > http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=29 > > Finnegan Amanda Earl was the curator. Very positive Canadian force for all sorts of poetry. Runs Angel House Press at http://www.angelhousepress.com. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 13:22:54 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:22:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DBC456E.3040607@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 9:30 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > I believe Bob meant: > http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/ > > c Right. Thanks for the help, Chris. --Bob From barry.spacks at verizon.net Sat Apr 30 12:30:25 2011 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:30:25 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] art show (with some Vispo) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: in case any of you folks hang out near Santa Barbara, thought I'd pass on an announcement: > A FLASH ART SHOW OF WORK BY BARRY SPACKS > > OPENING FIRST THURSDAY, 5:30 to 8:00 p.m > MAY 5TH and THROUGH THE MONTH > AT THE MARQUEE BAR NEXT TO THE GRENADA. > > I was asked to put together this "mini-retrospective" of my > images over the past decade as a First Thursday event. > > all good things, > > Barry > From halvard at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 12:34:09 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:34:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBC4420.2050507@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> <4DBC4420.2050507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Just checked out the month's work myself. No problem with using the word "poem" with any of them, but, hey, that's just nihilistic ol' me. Fun bunch. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/30/2011 9:45 AM, David Graham wrote: > >> Like some a lot, give a shrug for others, and don't much care what >> category any of them are slotted in. >> >> I'm particularly fond of April 19 at the moment. >> >> For a visual poetry site it's pretty clunky to navigate, though, isn't it? >> No way to scan thumbnails of the whole month, no slideshow feature, no way >> to enlarge the images, etc. >> > Thanks for the feedback, David. One question: do you consider them all > poems? > > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 13:39:19 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:39:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net><4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net>< 4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DBC4947.8000505@nut-n-but.net> > David, I like #19, too. > The simple conceptualism of #29 made me smile... > http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=29 > > Finnegan . Interesting. I think Gary Barwin is one of the best visual poets around but I didn't think much of his 19 April poem. I take it as (solely) a semi-sophisticated visual onomatopoeia--showing the word, "eye" as an eye. But maybe I'm missing something. I'm hoping someone will be able to tell me what's going on in the piece with the squares (22), and in the piece that consists of the alphabet (11). I often miss the point of poems so do not automatically assume nothing's there when I do. "Archipelago," one of my four or five favorites, is 16. Joel Lipman's (12) is easily the most interesting one verbally. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think Gary Barwin is one of the best visual poets around but I didn't think much of his 19 April poem. I take it as (solely) a semi-sophisticated visual onomatopoeia--showing the word, "eye" as an eye. But maybe I'm missing something. I'm hoping someone will be able to tell me what's going on in the piece with the squares (22), and in the piece that consists of the alphabet (11). I often miss the point of poems so do not automatically assume nothing's there when I do. "Archipelago," one of my four or five favorites, is 16. Joel Lipman's (12) is easily the most interesting one verbally. --Bob _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > David, I like #19, too. > > The simple conceptualism of #29 made me smile... > http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=29 > > Finnegan > > . > Interesting. I think Gary Barwin is one of the best visual poets around > but I didn't think much of his 19 April poem. 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URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:14:57 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:14:57 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Very interesting exhibit. I methodically started at the beginning and worked my way through each number. I agree with other observers that some of these seem less poetry and more visual art occasionally informed by words, but when you say "Visual Poetry" I think one must be flexible about where those boundaries lie. There have been debates for generations about whether the words or the music (or the voice?) are more important to songs, and this seems to be a similar boundary spanning creative effort. #3 seemed more "Found Words" than either visual art or poetry. I have a substantial collection of Found Words in my Flickr stream, but would never consider them to be poetry. Two Torsos seemed to focus on questioning the role of language in communication, since communication is clearly happening in the image, and language is obviously being used and meaning conveyed, but all without a single word in evidence. For many of them the bios were at least as interesting as the work presented, if not more so. That intrigued me, since this sort of thing is fairly common in the visual arts, and is why my daughter has excluded herself from the academic and formal visual arts community. She doesn't want to be asked for words to go with her images, she wants the images to speak on their own. She doesn't want to be asked to explain her persona, she wants to live it. Interesting to see here that same adoption of the development of the character or persona of the artist through words. As someone working in medical environs, I found "Thought" intriguing, although I am still puzzling through it to try to detect whether there is a presence of deconstructed formal meaning or if it is simply intended to be evocative. Of course, it is a pleasure to see one of our own represented: As a fiber artist, I enjoyed the alphabet, but would definitely NOT consider it a poem. Some of them were not well served by being online. I suspect that Archipelago might have been more interesting and conceptually provocative if only I could have gotten close enough to read the words. I found "Code Interpretation" incredibly effective and hysterically funny, but then I hang out with people who write code. I loved the cyclical meditation on life and death in "Night (Remix)", the swastika spinning of the poem fragments. "Katya & Clarence: The Wedding" was clever and doable. It might make an interesting assignment concept for students. Ditto for "How to Build a Bomb Shelter for the Web." "Is Anything Wrong" really made a nice capstone piece culminating the series. Bob, thank you so much for sharing this! - Patricia On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/30/2011 8:52 AM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: >> >> Bob, I am puzzled. Perhaps you shared the wrong link? There is nothing >> there but a placeholder website to sell the domain name. - Patricia > > Sorry, Patricia--I'm so used to "com," that I used it instead of "ca" in the > address--as by now you've found out from Chris, I hope. > > Correct URL: http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca. > > Thanks for trying to take a look! > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From halvard at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:18:21 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:18:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: As for me, I love words with leaky borders. Leaky borders are a good thing. Even if they can't be seen from space. Serving the tri-state area. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Patricia F Anderson < patriciafanderson at gmail.com> wrote: > Very interesting exhibit. I methodically started at the beginning and > worked my way through each number. > > I agree with other observers that some of these seem less poetry and > more visual art occasionally informed by words, but when you say > "Visual Poetry" I think one must be flexible about where those > boundaries lie. There have been debates for generations about whether > the words or the music (or the voice?) are more important to songs, > and this seems to be a similar boundary spanning creative effort. > > #3 seemed more "Found Words" than either visual art or poetry. > > > I have a substantial collection of Found Words in my Flickr stream, > but would never consider them to be poetry. > > > Two Torsos seemed to focus on questioning the role of language in > communication, since communication is clearly happening in the image, > and language is obviously being used and meaning conveyed, but all > without a single word in evidence. > > > For many of them the bios were at least as interesting as the work > presented, if not more so. > > > That intrigued me, since this sort of thing is fairly common in the > visual arts, and is why my daughter has excluded herself from the > academic and formal visual arts community. She doesn't want to be > asked for words to go with her images, she wants the images to speak > on their own. She doesn't want to be asked to explain her persona, she > wants to live it. Interesting to see here that same adoption of the > development of the character or persona of the artist through words. > > As someone working in medical environs, I found "Thought" intriguing, > although I am still puzzling through it to try to detect whether there > is a presence of deconstructed formal meaning or if it is simply > intended to be evocative. > > > Of course, it is a pleasure to see one of our own represented: > > > As a fiber artist, I enjoyed the alphabet, but would definitely NOT > consider it a poem. > > > Some of them were not well served by being online. I suspect that > Archipelago might have been more interesting and conceptually > provocative if only I could have gotten close enough to read the > words. > > > I found "Code Interpretation" incredibly effective and hysterically > funny, but then I hang out with people who write code. > > > I loved the cyclical meditation on life and death in "Night (Remix)", > the swastika spinning of the poem fragments. > > > "Katya & Clarence: The Wedding" was clever and doable. It might make > an interesting assignment concept for students. Ditto for "How to > Build a Bomb Shelter for the Web." > > > > "Is Anything Wrong" really made a nice capstone piece culminating the > series. > > > Bob, thank you so much for sharing this! > > - Patricia > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > On 4/30/2011 8:52 AM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: > >> > >> Bob, I am puzzled. Perhaps you shared the wrong link? There is nothing > >> there but a placeholder website to sell the domain name. - Patricia > > > > Sorry, Patricia--I'm so used to "com," that I used it instead of "ca" in > the > > address--as by now you've found out from Chris, I hope. > > > > Correct URL: http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca. > > > > Thanks for trying to take a look! > > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable > pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com > Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University > of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will > give you the right one." 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Thanks much for the detailed response, Patricia. > I agree with other observers that some of these seem less poetry and > more visual art occasionally informed by words, but when you say > "Visual Poetry" I think one must be flexible about where those > boundaries lie. There have been debates for generations about whether > the words or the music (or the voice?) are more important to songs, > and this seems to be a similar boundary spanning creative effort. > . But the debates you mention are about music with words. Here it's often visual art with no words, or no significant words. > #3 seemed more "Found Words" than either visual art or poetry. > > There's a poet I like (and have even published) who calls himself Cliff Dweller. For a long time he specialized in this sort of thing, but using cut-outs from newspaper stories, usually choosing more than a word. He really made the size and font expressive. Haven't seen his name for ten years or more. Will try to do a blog entry on his work one of these days (I'm kind of dragging it right now for some reason--have taken a vacation from my blog and almost all other writing except--I weep to say it--New-Poetry.) Anyway, I do consider Cliff Dweller's piece poems. I think #3 is technically a poem, too, but I know what you mean when you question it as a "real" poem. Kind of interesting, though. > I have a substantial collection of Found Words in my Flickr stream, > but would never consider them to be poetry. > > > Two Torsos seemed to focus on questioning the role of language in > communication, since communication is clearly happening in the image, > and language is obviously being used and meaning conveyed, but all > without a single word in evidence. > > Yes, a lot of "asemic visual poetry" does that. > For many of them the bios were at least as interesting as the work > presented, if not more so. > > > That intrigued me, since this sort of thing is fairly common in the > visual arts, and is why my daughter has excluded herself from the > academic and formal visual arts community. She doesn't want to be > asked for words to go with her images, she wants the images to speak > on their own. She doesn't want to be asked to explain her persona, she > wants to live it. Interesting to see here that same adoption of the > development of the character or persona of the artist through words. > I love to explain my own work but have trouble getting many poets to. > As someone working in medical environs, I found "Thought" intriguing although I am still puzzling through it to try to detect whether there is a presence of deconstructed formal meaning or if it is simply > intended to be evocative. > . I tend to think the latter, having seen a lot of the work of this poet, Andrew Topel, but I'm not sure. > Of course, it is a pleasure to see one of our own represented: > . Thanks. > As a fiber artist, I enjoyed the alphabet, but would definitely NOT > consider it a poem. > . This one mystifies me. > Some of them were not well served by being online. I suspect that > Archipelago might have been more interesting and conceptually > provocative if only I could have gotten close enough to read the > words. > . Yes, my problem, too. > I found "Code Interpretation" incredibly effective and hysterically > funny, but then I hang out with people who write code. > . I didn't get it at all. Any hints on what it's doing? > I loved the cyclical meditation on life and death in "Night (Remix)", > the swastika spinning of the poem fragments. > > > "Katya& Clarence: The Wedding" was clever and doable. It might make > an interesting assignment concept for students. Ditto for "How to > Build a Bomb Shelter for the Web." > > > > "Is Anything Wrong" really made a nice capstone piece culminating the series. > > > Bob, thank you so much for sharing this! > > - Patricia > . You and I may be the only ones ever to comment at any length on it, Patricia--although my friend Geof Huth, who has a piece in it, may at his blog when he's back from England (participating in a "text festival," not attending you-know-what). --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 16:36:05 2011 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Truck's May editor, Wendy Battin, hits the road tonight Message-ID: Many thanks to Kate Schapira for editing *Truck *during the month of April. Take a look here -- http://halvard-johnson.blogspot.com/ -- if you haven't been following her contributions. May brings a new editor, Wendy Battin. 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URL: From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 16:48:26 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:48:26 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBC5D4D.90605@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC5D4D.90605@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Hi, Bob, A couple quick replies inserted into context below (with the rest deleted for brevity). On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/30/2011 12:14 PM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: >> >> Very interesting exhibit. I methodically started at the beginning and >> worked my way through each number. > > Thanks much for the detailed response, Patricia. > >> I found "Code Interpretation" incredibly effective and hysterically >> funny, but then I hang out with people who write code. >> > > . > I didn't get it at all. ?Any hints on what it's doing? I'm not sure, but I think it probably refers to the C#, C++, Ruby, Java, Python type of languages, the functions, and then the curly brackets would define the beginning and end of embedded strings/objects into the overall code. So this is (in my completely uninformed non-programmer view) a dissolving cloud of code raining strings and functions while the controlling brackets fly away ... > You and I may be the only ones ever to comment at any length on it, > Patricia--although my friend Geof Huth, who has a piece in it, may at his > blog when he's back from England (participating in a "text festival," not > attending you-know-what). Since I wrote such a long note, I went ahead and stuffed this into one of my blogs, although not the poetry blog. Still, it is online -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From chris at chrislott.org Sat Apr 30 16:53:05 2011 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:53:05 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC5D4D.90605@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: > > Since I wrote such a long note, I went ahead and stuffed this into one > of my blogs, although not the poetry blog. Still, it is online So where is that blog? For that matter, where is the poetry blog? Emerging technologies librarian sounds like a tasty job. I spent five years as a resident disruptive technologist... which may have been the best job I will ever have. c From patriciafanderson at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 17:41:32 2011 From: patriciafanderson at gmail.com (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:41:32 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC5D4D.90605@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Oh, duh, sorry. I came down with a cold today and my brain is slightly muddled. Here is the post about the VisPo exhibit: The poetry blog is here: It was featured blog of the day for NaPoWriMo on the 28th, which has doubled or tripled my readership! Yes, being an Emerging Technologies Librarian is pretty cool. :) Disruptive tech is cool, too!! Pretty similar, I suspect. :) - Patricia On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Patricia F Anderson > wrote: >> >> Since I wrote such a long note, I went ahead and stuffed this into one >> of my blogs, although not the poetry blog. Still, it is online > > So where is that blog? For that matter, where is the poetry blog? > > Emerging technologies librarian sounds like a tasty job. I spent five > years as a resident disruptive technologist... which may have been the > best job I will ever have. > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous. From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Sat Apr 30 17:56:05 2011 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:56:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBC4947.8000505@nut-n-but.net> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net><4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net>< 4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> <4DBC4947.8000505@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DBC8575.6020801@louisiana.edu> I just checked through the visual poems (as someone who knows nothing about visual poems and barely has an opinion); hey, I like them. As for the two Bob Grumman mentions, my hunch: 22 and 11, being multiples, need to be superimposed, with 11 superimposed twice. Just kidding. Still a hunch, though: 22's related to the poet's stated interest in quilting, and seems to be playing the patterning that quilting exploits (using T's and H's) against our expectations of coherence in reading print (as the letters, already composites, linger somehow in the background even when that can't be made out. As for 11, I suspect again a this-against-that game, this time with the labor involved in knitting (do I know? crocheting maybe?) of each of those letters (the "this," then, is the knitting, and the "that" would be reproducible print). Of the two, the one with the real labor (unless I'm missing something and she managed all those letters using knitting software) appeals to me more than the one that neither quilts nor (quite) spells. Cheers, Jerry On 4/30/2011 12:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> David, I like #19, too. >> The simple conceptualism of #29 made me smile... >> http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=29 >> >> Finnegan > . > Interesting. I think Gary Barwin is one of the best visual poets > around but I didn't think much of his 19 April poem. I take it as > (solely) a semi-sophisticated visual onomatopoeia--showing the word, > "eye" as an eye. But maybe I'm missing something. > > I'm hoping someone will be able to tell me what's going on in the > piece with the squares (22), and in the piece that consists of the > alphabet (11). I often miss the point of poems so do not > automatically assume nothing's there when I do. "Archipelago," one of > my four or five favorites, is 16. Joel Lipman's (12) is easily the > most interesting one verbally. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Apr 30 18:17:27 2011 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:17:27 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] art show (with some Vispo) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There in spirit. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > in case any of you folks hang out near Santa Barbara, > thought I'd pass on an announcement: > > A FLASH ART SHOW OF WORK BY BARRY SPACKS >> >> OPENING FIRST THURSDAY, 5:30 to 8:00 p.m >> MAY 5TH and THROUGH THE MONTH >> AT THE MARQUEE BAR NEXT TO THE GRENADA. >> >> I was asked to put together this "mini-retrospective" of my >> images over the past decade as a First Thursday event. >> >> all good things, >> >> Barry >> >> _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 21:10:24 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:10:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net> <4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net><4DBC4388.3020301@nut-n-but.net><4DBC5D4D.90605@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4DBCB300.4040101@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 3:48 PM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: > Hi, Bob, > > A couple quick replies inserted into context below (with the rest > deleted for brevity). > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> On 4/30/2011 12:14 PM, Patricia F Anderson wrote: >>> Very interesting exhibit. I methodically started at the beginning and >>> worked my way through each number. >> Thanks much for the detailed response, Patricia. >> >>> I found "Code Interpretation" incredibly effective and hysterically >>> funny, but then I hang out with people who write code. >>> >> . >> I didn't get it at all. Any hints on what it's doing? > I'm not sure, but I think it probably refers to the C#, C++, Ruby, > Java, Python type of languages, the functions, and then the > curly brackets would define the beginning and end of embedded > strings/objects into the overall code. So this is (in my completely > uninformed non-programmer view) a dissolving cloud of code raining > strings and functions while the controlling brackets fly away ... Makes sense. I did notice that the flying brackets all faced down, the ones landing or on the ground all faced up, which goes along with your interpretation. I also had a sense of disruption. Still Wonder about the big H and the little kid h at its foot. . . . >> You and I may be the only ones ever to comment at any length on it, >> Patricia--although my friend Geof Huth, who has a piece in it, may at his >> blog when he's back from England (participating in a "text festival," not >> attending you-know-what). > Since I wrote such a long note, I went ahead and stuffed this into one > of my blogs, although not the poetry blog. Still, it is online > . Good. The first need of poets is to have their work seen. The second is to have it commented on, preferably as you have, intelligently. And publicly. I second Chris's interest in your blogs. all best, Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 30 21:15:33 2011 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:15:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Poetry Month Gallery of Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <4DBC8575.6020801@louisiana.edu> References: <4DBB27C7.5040901@nut-n-but.net><4DBBF99B.8040302@nut-n-but.net>< 4A00CD26-90BA-49C6-A5DE-3E51CC1B33C0@ripon.edu> <8CDD5659CEC4624-1A54-1B1E4@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com><4DBC4947.8000505@nut-n-but.net> <4DBC8575.6020801@louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4DBCB435.6030200@nut-n-but.net> On 4/30/2011 4:56 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I just checked through the visual poems (as someone who knows nothing > about visual poems and barely has an opinion); hey, I like them. As > for the two Bob Grumman mentions, my hunch: 22 and 11, being > multiples, need to be superimposed, with 11 superimposed twice. Just > kidding. Still a hunch, though: 22's related to the poet's stated > interest in quilting, and seems to be playing the patterning that > quilting exploits (using T's and H's) against our expectations of > coherence in reading print (as the letters, already composites, linger > somehow in the background even when that can't be made out. As for 11, > I suspect again a this-against-that game, this time with the labor > involved in knitting (do I know? crocheting maybe?) of each of those > letters (the "this," then, is the knitting, and the "that" would be > reproducible print). Of the two, the one with the real labor (unless > I'm missing something and she managed all those letters using knitting > software) appeals to me more than the one that neither quilts nor > (quite) spells. > > Cheers, > > Jerry > . Thanks, Jerry. Very helpful comments. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 4/30/2011 5:17 PM, Tad Richards wrote: >> >> There in spirit. > > . > Me, too, Barry. ?What you gotta do is get an Internet gallery showing we can > all go to. ?Although I know some of your stuff is on the Internet, having > visited it my own self. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Patricia Anderson / SL: Perplexity Peccable pfa at umich.edu OR patriciafanderson at gmail.com Emerging Technologies Librarian, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Michigan, 1135 East Catherine, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 "Google can give you 1,000 answers to your question. A librarian will give you the right one." Anonymous.