[New-Poetry] re subject matter as screener

[orphee]

O i think works is a good and fine way to say the thing here. works? its a 
little machine right, ya know that old Carlos williams statement poetry's a 
machine   ... and then think of reading a verse outloud it works. it connects it 
fits like a piece of music.   or dylan thomas saying a poem's a hypothesis he 
sets out with and then when its done he sees the hypthothesis turned out to be 
right.,  we, one is not limited 
by the scaffolding one uses to 'wrap' up a poem  --think of James Joyce saying 
he was an engineer working from both sides ofthe mountain (FInnegans Wake) 
boring away ___ that worked   well .. it sall good . one can even pretende 
gender conceits as if they were 'real ' when in fact they are literary fanciies.

      __ last posting of the time being as Im off and back to work. 

Cheers
its fun here.



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From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:53:30 AM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] re subject matter as screener

I'm never sure what "works" means in this context. I've never
seen a poem rake the lawn or shovel off the sidewalk (those
things are work. Supplying "succeeds" instead doesn't help a lot,
but it does help some.


Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:18 AM, <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

To read and to explain are two different things. I'm with Stevens.
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>As a poet/reader if the poem works  I'm more interested in how it works.
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>Best,
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>Mark
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>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jforjames at aol.com 
>>Sent: Sep 29, 2010 3:12 PM 
>>To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
>>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] re subject matter as screener 
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>>A 'wholistic reading' of poem would have one paying attention to the poem all 
>>its levels at once; though one could consciously choose to attend to one 
>>element, like sound, typography, sense, etc., in a more focused way. I would 
>>find it very difficult while attending to a certain aspect of the poem to 
>>consciously ignore its subject matter. That would be an anti-semantic reading or 
>>some sort which is hard to imagine unless the poem was subverting 
>>sense-making at every turn or was full of made-up words. Even the images in 
>>a fragmentary poem often point to a theme. Or in a surrealist poem the images 
>>might make an accidental subject, even if it's somewhat different reader to 
>>reader. 
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>>Stevens stated that 'poetry is the subject of the poem'. Makes for a nice ideal. 
>>Then again his poetry is far from subjectless; and to read it that way would 
>>only be a diminishment.
>>Finnegan 
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
>>To: NewPoetry List <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>Sent: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 6:07 pm
>>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] re subject matter as screener
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>>
>>Yup. Unless I'm asked to find a poem to recite at a wedding or funeral, which 
>>has happened a few times.
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>>At 07:04 PM 9/28/2010, you wrote:
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>>Subject matter is almost never the first thing I note in  a poem, unless it's a 
>>very bad poem by a poet who assumes that sincerity is all that matters.
>>You mean not the first thing you pay significant attention to, yes?
>>
>>--Bob
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