From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 08:20:58 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:20:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parts of Speech Question In-Reply-To: <1D1225C3319E49148040A1AEBEF5AB02@OwnerPC> References: <8CD45BED2A6C835-1BA8-134@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <4CCCC4E4.4070401@nut-n-but.net> <400850.45245.qm@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4CCCCD58.7020307@nut-n-but.net> <806397.19371.qm@web120519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4CCD446E.90704@nut-n-but.net> <5041E10BD9534AE0946B92A2E98F6287@OwnerPC> <1D1225C3319E49148040A1AEBEF5AB02@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thanks Robin. I will forward to some professors. See here: We might ask to what extent academic colleagues working in the same field at foreign universities consciously help prop up and reinforce this false impression. To what extent are they motivated by feelings of human pity, brotherly protection or being part of the same team? Or by the prospect of advantageous inclusion in Italian-run international research projects? Or by the prospect of a summer holiday or two in Italy? To what extent are the foreign counterparts of people like Gotti working at the same sort of level of mediocrity? And how aware of all of this are Italian institutions providing the research funding? Meanwhile Mr Gotti has become the president of the European Confederation of University Language Centres (CERCLES), the director of a language research centre (CERLIS) based at the University of Bergamo and the editor of a series of linguistic studies for Peter Lang publishers in Bern. I am unfamiliar with Mr Gotti?s other publications but am reliably informed that this is his best work to date. If true, it would certainly show just how far a little fagging cant can go in Italy. Mr Gotti teaches English language and translation at the University of Bergamo's faculty of modern languages where he holds a senior post. http://www.justbookreviews.net/Gotti.html On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Robin Hamilton < robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com> wrote: > I should consider myself lucky then, that I do not know Gotti, and will > avoid him - as they say in Italy - *like the plague*... > A good evening to you up there in England. > > Have a look at this, Anny. You might have more context to judge it than > I have, since it?s one Italian linguist on another Italian linguist, and > there may be a subtext I?m not getting: > > http://www.justbookreviews.net/Gotti.html > > I thought this was a bit over the top when I first read it some time ago > (and Pacitti certainly has an axe to grind, and not just when it comes to > Gotti) but the more I read of Gotti?s work, the more I?m inclined to agree. > ?Shoddy scholarship? doesn?t begin to describe it. > > *Robin* > >> (I wish that I could find something positive to say about Gotti?s work >> on English cant, but other than that he at least notices Halliday?s work, my >> feelings about his scholarship go well beyond the libellous into the area of >> the unprintable!) >> >> Best, >> >> Robin >> >> _________________________________________ >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Robin Hamilton < >> robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com> wrote: >> >>> Considering Bob's question, and the points made by Jeffrey, I realised >>> that I was uncomfortable about this whole business of adjectival particles >>> or whatever, for two reasons -- one is that it seems to me to stink of the >>> imposition of Latin grammar onto English, and the other being that I'm not >>> sure (to come round to Bob's point about classification) that this >>> particular category is necessary. >>> >>> First thing I did was to wonder how the OED classified "taut", meaning >>> 'firm, tense', formed from the past participle form of "tight". >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 02:55:58 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:55:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] From Mark Young: Issue 19 of Otoliths is now live Message-ID: [And another toot for me] The internal & external links are now in place for issue 19, the southern spring 2010 issue of Otoliths . It's a lengthy task, & I'm a bit worn out, so I won't write any witty lines to introduce it as I usually do, just say that looking through it as I put it "physically" together reinforced my opinion that it's another great issue. There's work by sean burn, dan raphael, Jim Meirose, Joel Chace, Adam Fieled, Paul Siegell, Iain Britton, Jesse Eckerlin, Howie Good, John M. Bennett & Serge Segay, John M. Bennett, Philip Byron Oakes, Scott MacLeod, Ed Baker, Robert Lee Brewer, Caleb Puckett, SJ Fowler, Zachary Scott Hamilton, Changming Yuan, Travis Macdonald, Joe Balaz, Raymond Farr, Andrew Durbin, Carlos Henrickson, RC Miller, Allen Edwin Butt, Grzegorz Wr?blewski, Jeff Harrison, Debrah Morkun, Satu Kaikkonen, Satu Kaikkonen & M?rton Kopp?ny, M?rton Kopp?ny, Felino Soriano, Steven Fraccaro, Toby Fitch, Sean Ulman, Corey Wakeling, Sheila E. Murphy & Jeff Crouch, Sheila E. Murphy, david tomaloff, Charles Freeland, Travis Cebula, David-Baptiste Chirot, Craig Rebele, J. D. Nelson, Louie Crew, Caitlyn Paley, Catherine Vidler, Matthew Ritger, Scott Metz, Michael Gottlieb, Mark Young reviews Michael Gottlieb's *Memoir And Essay*, Bernie Earley reviews Burt Kimmelman's *As If Free*, Michael Leong, Nicole Mauro, Anny Ballardini, Jill Jones, Katrinka Moore, Marcia Arrieta, Paul Pfleuger, Jr., Jared Schickling, Kit Kennedy, Steve Gilmartin, Michael Brandonisio, Bob Heman, Louise Landes Levi, and Nico Vassilakis. There should be something there for everyone, hopefully more than a few somethings. As for me, it's after midnight on the Tropic of Capricorn, so I'm off to bed. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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From seamascain at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 12:33:39 2010 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 11:33:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ... at the IMRAM festival Message-ID: _______________ Two articles by Jana Peterson, the editor of The Pine Journal in Minnesota ... 1.) "Poet S?amas Cain heads to Ireland ..." in the issue for Thursday, September 16th, 2010, Volume Number 127, Issue Number 37, on page A5 http://www.pinejournal.com/event/article/id/21429/ 2.) "Still making waves with poetry and plays" in the issue for Thursday, October 28th, 2010, Volume Number 127, Issue Number 43, on the front-page and page D1 http://www.pinejournal.com/event/article/id/21875/group/News/ _______________ The IMRAM Festival has published a CD of S?amas Cain chanting the poem tr?d an gcoill. Slavek Kwi, the Czech sound-artist, in a stereo mix, has surrounded Cain's voice with the music of nature in Dromore Woods, County Clare, Ireland ... the sound of the wind and the sounds of birds, the movements of the trees and the sounds of raindrops, and most intriguing of all the sounds of the underwater insects. Anyone who would like a copy of this CD should write for details and ordering-information to Liam Carson at info at imram.ie http://www.imram.ie/ http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain/questionsanswers.htm http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=258 _______________ From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Mon Nov 1 13:18:28 2010 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:18:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?a_noun_sing_4_new_e=B7chaps_from_e=B7?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ratio_editions?= Message-ID: <99d9297d79642789956e98be4c3ffd21.squirrel@webmail4.web.com> e? a noun sing 4 new e?chaps from e?ratio editions #10. The Galloping Man and five other poems by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino. ? . . . how does / a body know, here is a hand, and here, is a sentence / or, / what?s riding on hearts . . . ? #9. Prosaic Suburban Commercial by Keith Higginbotham. Two poetic sequences. ? . . . bathe deep in / the barely-there / disassembled gallery / of the everyday . . . ? #8. Polylogue by Carey Scott Wilkerson. Poems. ? . . . with rules and constitutive games, / with paints and gramarye / with some modicum / of my reckless trust . . . ? #7. Bashō?s Phonebook. 30 translations by Travis Macdonald. The great Japanese haiku poet Matsuo Bashō goes digital. Conceptual poetry. With translator?s notes. http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/eratioeditions.html .pdf (free) e? From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 16:38:07 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 21:38:07 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Doing Time by Constantin Noica, Contemporary Literature Press Message-ID: Press Release Bucharest, 7 November 2010 *Online* *Publication* *Contemporary Literature Press**, *under *The University of Bucharest,** *Director Lidia Vianu (of English Dept.), in permanent conjunction with *The British Council*, and *The Romanian Cultural Institute,*?** * **Announces the PUBLICATION of** * * * *Doing Time...** ** * by *Constantin NOICA**,* edited by George Sandulescu (175 pages, *ISBN *978-606-92387-5-2). *The volume includes **The Noica Stance and Smile** **(by G. Sandulescu), **Pray for Brother Alexander** (translated into English by Wendy Noica-Muston), and one essay by Noica on Logos and Time in English and French. This is the first of the three-volume **Noica Anthology**: **for the Benefit of the Students that Noica Was Never Allowed to Have.* *It is available for consultation and downloading as from 7 November 2010 on the following internet address:* * * * * * http://editura.mttlc.ro/noica.doing-time.html* *Contemporary Literature Press* has so far published the critical volume *The Joycean Monologue *by George Sandulescu, *Complete Works* by Mihail C. Vl?descu, poems by Peter Ackroyd, Ruth Fainlight, Alan Brownjohn, George Szirtes, Fiona Sampson. You are kindly invited to visit its WebSite at http://editura.mttlc.ro/ . For comments or suggestions, please contact the Publisher *lidiavianu at yahoo.com .* The review *Translation Caf? *at http://mttlc.ro is the place where graduate students of MTTLC (MA Programme for the Translation of the Contemporary Literary Text) prepare their texts for publication. ends * * Comunicat de Pres? Bucure?ti, 7 noiembrie 2010 * * *Edi?ie online* *Editura pentru Literatur? Contemporan?**, *sub auspiciile *Universit??ii din Bucure?ti, *Director Lidia Vianu (Catedra de Englez?), ?n colaborare cu *Consiliul Britanic *?i* Institutul Cultural Rom?n, *? * **ANUN?? PUBLICAREA **volumului * * * *Doing Time...** ** * de *Constantin NOICA**,* editat de George Sandulescu (175 pagini, *ISBN *978-606-92387-5-2). *Volumul cuprinde: **Atitudinea Noica** **(de G. Sandulescu), **Pray for Brother Alexander** (traducere ?n limba englez? de Wendy Noica-Muston) ?i un eseu al filosofului despre Logos ?i Timp ?n limbile englez? ?i francez?. *Titlul englez al volumului este un joc de cuvinte ?n bun? m?sur? intraductibil: ?nseamn? pe de o parte ?a face ?nchisoare?, iar pe de alt? parte ?a se ocupa de no?iunea de Timp?. *Volumul este primul din **Noica Anthology**: **for the Benefit of the Students that Noica Was Never Allowed to Have ** (?n trei p?r?i).* El poate fi *consultat ?i desc?rcat ?ncep?nd cu data de 7 noiembrie 2010 la adresa de internet:* * * * * * http://editura.mttlc.ro/noica.doing-time.html* *Editura pentru Literatur? Contemporan?* a mai publicat volumul de critic? *The Joycean Monologue *de George Sandulescu, *Opere Complete* de Mihail C. Vl?descu, volume de poezie, ?n traducere ?i bilingve, de Peter Ackroyd, Ruth Fainlight, Alan Brownjohn, George Szirtes, Fiona Sampson. V? invit?m s? accesa?i WebSite-ul http://editura.mttlc.ro/ . 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Pardon the tooting. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pardon the tooting. >Amicalement, >Alex >? >www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > >les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin >merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, you'd be infringing on MY territory! --Mr. G. From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 2 12:20:09 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:20:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] toot: Riddle Sonnet "solution" In-Reply-To: <4CD00260.2010507@nut-n-but.net> References: <780715.23336.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <513060.67068.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CD00260.2010507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Like this a lot. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I just hope the solution doesn't depend on some mathematical formula. If > so, you'd be infringing on MY territory! > > --Mr. G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: I just hope the solution doesn't depend on some mathematical formula. ?If so, you'd be infringing on MY territory! > >--Mr. G. > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elizabeth Robinson Tina Chang Brian Teare Barbara Jane Reyes Seth Abramson Jill Alexander Essbaum Jibade-Khalil Huffman Graham Foust Sharon Mesmer Joshua Corey Gabrielle Calvocoressi Ada Limon Jennifer Scappettone Cate Marvin 1999 Bob Holman Gail Mazur Dara Wier Hal Sirowitz Campbell McGrath Carl Dennis Colette Inez Eleanor Wilner Miller Williams Andrea Hollander Budy Anne Stevenson Arthur Vogelsang James Cummins Charles Martin Diane Wakoski Carolyn Kizer Carol Muske-Dukes Denise Duhamel X. J. Kennedy Suzanne Gardinier Jacqueline Osherow Josephine Jacobsen Frank Lima Karen Swenson Lawrence Joseph Lynn Emanuel Rachel Hadas Vicky Karp Anselm Hollo Frank Bidart Thom Gunn Ann Lauterbach Marilyn Hacker Susan Wheeler Rika Lesser Grace Schulman Marilyn Chin Andrei Codrescu Sam Hamill Harvey Shapiro Henri Cole Michael S. Harper Elizabeth Macklin Naomi Shihab Nye Wanda Coleman Ron Silliman Angela Jackson Mark Doty Paul Hoover Kenneth Koch Sandra M. Gilbert Maxine Kumin Amy Gerstler Richard Wilbur Elaine Equi -- ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From tomkostro at sprintmail.com Wed Nov 3 15:17:08 2010 From: tomkostro at sprintmail.com (Tom Kostro) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:17:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Some of us is READING: KGB: SATURDAY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of you may know I draw my poems in part from studies in lit, history, even politics. I will be reading with Anna Rabinowitz and others at KGB this Saturday at 7, Please come hear, if you are near. Patricia FIZZ: Anna Rabinowitz, Patricia Brody, Toni Mergentime Levi, Susan Tepper November 06, 2010 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Anna Rabinowitz?s most recent volume of poetry is Present Tense, (Omnidawn). Anna?s other books include At the Site of Inside Out, (U. Mass.) Darkling (Tupelo), which world-premiered as a multi-media opera off-Broadway, and The Wanton Sublime (Tupelo), soon to be an operatic monodrama. Awards include an NEA Fellowship and the Juniper Prize. Darkling?s latest incarnations will be a translation into German from Luxbooks and an internationally distributed CD from Albany Records, both due in 2011. Patricia Brody?s first collection American Desire won a New Women?s Voices Award from Finishing Line Books in 2009. Marie Ponsot said of these poems, ?A jet-winged eavesdropping angel, Brody sweeps in among the great ones, sight and sword keen and apt. In a suite of dramatic monologues, her poems do their voices, streaming in high style.? Awards include Academy of American Poets Alice M. Sellars prize, 1st prize from the English Speaking Union of New York CIty, and two Pushcart Nominations by Marilyn Hacker. Her work has appeared in numerous anthologies and journals including Barrow Street, Big City Lit, Chance of a Ghost, Western Humanities and Paris Review. Brody?s full length book of poems Dangerous to Know will be published by Salmon Poetry (Ireland) in 2012. Toni Mergentime Levi is a poet and librettist, living in Manhattan. Her new collection is Watching Mother Disappear & Other Poems, (Mayapple Press). Her first collection For A Dancing Bear was published by Three Mile Harbor. Toni?s poems have appeared in dozens of anthologies and journals. She has been a resident fellow at the MacDowell Colony and numerous other artist colonies here and abroad. Thanksgiving, one of two operas and several other collaborations with composer Paul Alan Levi won a Grand Prize for new opera sponsored by the National Music Theatre Network, and was performed at Lincoln Center and on 42nd Street?s Theater Row. Recently, four of her poems were set to music by composer Charles Fussell and premiered at Tanglewood?s Ozawa Hall. Susan Tepper, FIZZ series host, will read a short selection. Her new epistolary novel What May Have Been: Letters of Jackson Pollock & Dori G (with Gary Percesepe) will be available early next year from Cervena Barva Press. Tepper is also the author of the collection Deer & Other Stories (Wilderness House Press) and the poetry chapbook Blue Edge. Guest Host Amy Holman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Off the top of my head here are some rituals: Baptism/Christening, Holy Communion, Marriage, Last Rites, Funerals, Mating & Dating Rituals, OCD Behaviour, Holiday Observances, Lighting up after Sex, Watching the Ball Drop on NYD, Sitting Shiva, Bris, Bar/Bat Mitzva, Saying Grace, Walking the Dog, Cleaning the Refrigerator, Spring Cleaning, etc. Co-Editor Austin Alexis writes: I'm glad you included what I call unconscious rituals, such as mowing the lawn, "lighting up after sex," etc. "Unconscious rituals" might be a subcategory to mention in the submission call, so that writers get the idea of how broad the definition of ritual is. Also, there are poems that show the rituals of inanimate (or at least non-living) things, such as "Eight O'Clock" by A. E. Housman, which portrays the ritual of a bell striking the hours. We might mention Housman and Dickinson as two poets who use rituals often in their poetry, in very different ways.The poem should describe the ritual in a unique and interesting way and take the reader there. Consider all the senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste).? Let us know how it makes you feel to participate or sit on the sidelines an observe. Got the idea? Now release it onto the page and send it our way. Guidelines: Submit up to three poems with a fascinating bio of 35 words or less, not just limited to publication credits, copy/pasted in the body of an e-mail (no attachments, please) to roxy533 at yahoo dot com. Previously published work is ok, as long as authors have retained the copyright, which will be returned to them after publication. Response time will be about three to six months; the expected date of publication is 1-2 years away. Please don?t query. When in doubt, send the submission to roxy533 at yahoo dot com. 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I look forward for such poetry or meditative writings arising from - -for instance a woman whose womb has been mistakenly lanced by surgery yet same woman under ministration still gave birth with a new uterus brought by the baby.!i could or contemporary poets been moved to poetise deliverance sessions in pentecostal .Or how do you poetise in Laughter Bible Church -where another still kicking and lively full of life gave birth to twins and had sensed that she's not yet okay -biologically speaking!.She had the third baby delivered after 3months.She's a Christian but the amiable tolerant husband is a Muslim faithful.Actually1Cor7:14 through 16 explained or coroborated this.For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife and vice versa -otherwise their children would be unclean.Verse 16 of the same chapter is more poetic* For how do you know ,O wife, whether you will save your husband and O husband how do you know whether you will save your spouse.* These are miracle news but the actual healing ministation sessions are far not as fleeting as this -they are more dramatic especially in Africa where pastors can touch faithfuls for this spiritual purpose....Truly i m still watching my mood for that kind of harvest for that kind of miraculous glosolalia recall...and the interplay of the metaphysical and spiritual warfare.May God help me if -at all it will inspire His Majesty's Resplendence and transcendence BY.TJMST(GBEMI TIJANI MST) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Nov 4 09:08:50 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:08:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] cool news In-Reply-To: <438472.50831.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <438472.50831.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD2B062.60007@nut-n-but.net> On 11/4/2010 6:33 AM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > Hello New Poets! > Interesting article my mother (!) sent me. I think it's a rather smart > bit of marketing, personally, whatever one's esthetic tendencies; I'm > less cynical than Bob about the diversity (in terms of fake symbolic > capital) likely to be represented, I'm sure Simon means well, but the event already ostracizes non-mainstream poets, very few of whom would be able to afford to got to the event. My instant, self-centered reaction is, wouldn't it be neat instead of spending a lot of money on an event that can't possible do anything for poetry but get a few words about it into a few newspapers and magazines, and onto a few websites more than five people a day visit, spending it on a few deserving never-paid poets to allow them to give up psychologically debilitating jobs and concentrate on poetry. Or on some kind of book in a large edition that reveals to the world, for about the first time, what's going on in poetry. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Say what you like: it sucks awful, but big press for the po-biz is a good thing for everybody, as much (ie enormous) as it leaves to be desired. Or so sez I, anywho. Amicalement, Alex? ? www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 2:08:50 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] cool news On 11/4/2010 6:33 AM, Alexander Dickow wrote: Hello New Poets! >Interesting article my mother (!) sent me. I think it's a rather smart bit of >marketing, personally, whatever one's?esthetic tendencies; I'm less cynical than >Bob about the diversity (in terms of fake symbolic capital) likely to be >represented, > I'm sure Simon means well, but the event already ostracizes non-mainstream poets, very few of whom would be able to afford to got to the event.? My instant, self-centered reaction is, wouldn't it be neat instead of spending a lot of money on an event that can't possible do anything for poetry but get a few words about it into a few newspapers and magazines, and onto a few websites more than five people a day visit, spending it on a few deserving never-paid poets to allow them to give up psychologically debilitating jobs and concentrate on poetry.? Or on some kind of book in a large edition that reveals to the world, for about the first time, what's going on in poetry.? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So poets like me have to hope for people outside commercial interests will begin to divert some of the money they're handing out to poets to otherstream poets, (yes, like ME!!!--and whoever can solve your riddle poem, which I haven't had time to work on). --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Thu Nov 4 11:16:53 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:16:53 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD49D7534234AC-19F0-5BAF@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com><4CD2A9B0.9020004@nut-n-but.net> <4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CD4A4A6C0E8A33-1E2C-2F@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> >From the biography I know, he did make money as an engraver illustrating books...but his circumstances were humble, I believe. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:50 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 Thinking about Blake, I suddenly wondered how he got by? I should know, but don't. Hand-outs? Did he actually work for a living as a printer? He seems to have been able to afford printing, painting and writing supplies. --Bob, asking others, as usual, to do his homework for him. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 11:30:21 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:30:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD49D7534234AC-19F0-5BAF@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> <4CD2A9B0.9020004@nut-n-but.net> <4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Printer, illustrator, painter. Not a great living, but he and the missus made do. At 08:50 AM 11/4/2010, you wrote: >Thinking about Blake, I suddenly wondered how he >got by? I should know, but >don't. Hand-outs? Did he actually work for a living as a printer? >He seems to have been able to afford printing, painting and writing supplies. > >--Bob, asking others, as usual, to do his homework for him. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then he would etch the plates in diluted acid so the untreated copper would be dissolved away or reduced, thus leaving the design standing in relief. Herein lies the origin of the descriptive name "relief." Blake's method is a reversal of the normal method of etching, where the lines of the engraved design which have been scratched into the copper are exposed to the diluted acid. In this etching process, the lines are deepened, incised, and softened so that the lines themselves are the design. The plate would be printed by the intaglio method where the design itself is scratched away in order to be filled with ink and pressed. Relief etching, which Blake invented, became an important commercial printing method. Read more at Suite101: Artist and Engraver William Blake: Accomplishments of 18th-Century Romantic Painter and Printmaker http://www.suite101.com/content/artist-and-engraver-william-blake-a182937#ixzz14KcMoXdB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:32:16 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:32:16 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD4A54051FC37D-1E2C-1033@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD49D7534234AC-19F0-5BAF@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> <4CD2A9B0.9020004@nut-n-but.net> <4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.net> <8CD4A54051FC37D-1E2C-1033@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, he was an excellent artisan and had good company in his dreams. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > I did not know that... Relief Etching > When he was 31, Blake discovered a totally original method of "relief > etching." The method created a single, raised printing surface for both text > and image. The idea came to him in a vision of his younger brother soon > after he died. > > His unique ?illuminated printing? involved writing his designs, usually of > his unique religions visions, onto copper plates with wax pens and similar > acid-resistant tools. Then he would etch the plates in diluted acid so the > untreated copper would be dissolved away or reduced, thus leaving the design > standing in relief. Herein lies the origin of the descriptive name "relief." > Blake's method is a reversal of the normal method of etching, where the > lines of the engraved design which have been scratched into the copper are > exposed to the diluted acid. In this etching process, the lines are > deepened, incised, and softened so that the lines themselves are the design. > The plate would be printed by the intaglio method where the design itself is > scratched away in order to be filled with ink and pressed. > Relief etching, which Blake invented, became an important commercial > printing method. > > > Read more at Suite101: *Artist and Engraver William Blake: Accomplishments > of 18th-Century Romantic Painter and Printmaker* > * > http://www.suite101.com/content/artist-and-engraver-william-blake-a182937#ixzz14KcMoXdB > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I should find a biography of him--don't think I've ever read one. I'm sure he self-published--hand-made books, in fact. But "real" companies published him, too? Odd that I know so little about him. The romantics were my first poet-heroes. --Bob --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Nov 4 14:52:05 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:52:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD4A54051FC37D-1E2C-1033@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD49D7534234AC-19F0-5BAF@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com><4CD2A9B0.9020004@nut-n-but.net><4CD2AC24.5010507@nut-n-but.ne t> <8CD4A54051FC37D-1E2C-1033@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CD300D5.1030004@nut-n-but.net> On 11/4/2010 11:25 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > I did not know that... > > > Relief Etching > > When he was 31, Blake discovered a totally original method of "relief > etching." The method created a single, raised printing surface for > both text and image. The idea came to him in a vision of his younger > brother soon after he died. > His unique ?illuminated printing? involved writing his designs, > usually of his unique religions visions, onto copper plates with wax > pens and similar acid-resistant tools. Then he would etch the plates > in diluted acid so the untreated copper would be dissolved away or > reduced, thus leaving the design standing in relief. Herein lies the > origin of the descriptive name "relief." > Blake's method is a reversal of the normal method of etching, where > the lines of the engraved design which have been scratched into the > copper are exposed to the diluted acid. In this etching process, the > lines are deepened, incised, and softened so that the lines themselves > are the design. The plate would be printed by the intaglio method > where the design itself is scratched away in order to be filled with > ink and pressed. > Relief etching, which Blake invented, became an important commercial > printing method. Ah, yes, I remember this accomplishment, too. > > > Read more at Suite101: *Artist and Engraver William Blake: > Accomplishments of 18th-Century Romantic Painter and Printmaker* > > *http://www.suite101.com/content/artist-and-engraver-william-blake-a182937#ixzz14KcMoXdB* Another thanks. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Nov 4 17:03:38 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:03:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] cool news In-Reply-To: <438472.50831.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <438472.50831.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD4A7ADAA4F870-1074-292@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> The National Poetry Slam which has been going for years now, attracts teams of poets (usually 4 to team, plus an alternate) from all over the US (& occasionally international). The teams raise their own money to attend. They travel together, share lodging, etc. I'm sure in cities around the world poets could do something similar. Of course the Dodge Festival in the US is another model for a multi-venue poetry extravaganza. Southbank Centre is a big place; it's where the UK Poetry Library is: http://www.poetrylibrary.org.uk/ Though they'd be better served taking advantage of the London's countless pubs. Some places to start recruiting... http://international.poetryinternationalweb.org/ http://wordswithoutborders.org/find Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Dickow To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:33 am Subject: [New-Poetry] cool news Hello New Poets! Interesting article my mother (!) sent me. I think it's a rather smart bit of marketing, personally, whatever one's esthetic tendencies; I'm less cynical than Bob about the diversity (in terms of fake symbolic capital) likely to be represented, and find this a rather good idea even if its execution might end up leaving a little to be desired. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11674308 Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:34:05 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:34:05 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] fwd: sodak Message-ID: Creative writing professors Brian Bedard and Lee Ann Roripaugh will lead a workshop on publishing creative work, scheduled for November 5, at 3:30 p.m. This free workshop will be held in Old Main 106 on the University of South Dakota-Vermillion campus. Anyone interested in publishing creative work is welcome to attend. Brian Bedard is a writer of short fiction and essays. He is author most recently of a collection of stories called _Grieving on the Run_ (Snake Nation Press). He directs USD?s creative writing program and is editor of _South Dakota Review_, a literary magazine with national circulation. Lee Ann Roripaugh writes mainly poetry. Her most recent book is _On the Cusp of a Dangerous Year_ (Southern Illinois Press), a collection of poems. 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Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. After knocking on the door, run away and hide, but still be nearby once the person reads the poem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Nov 4 20:48:57 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:48:57 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetic reports on today's front line Message-ID: <8CD4A9A5CEC7758-1920-447B@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/poetic-reports-on-todays-front-line-2119224.html Poetic reports on today's front line Where are the war poets now? From Bosnia to Baghdad, they are still raising their voices. But, as poet Fiona Sampson argues, current theatres of conflict call for new visions in verse of war ? and peace The tremendous flowering of the First World War poets is often seen as the last time British poetry combined accessibility, beauty and big themes. By comparison, contemporary poetry can be dismissed as out of touch with both its readers and the urgent questions of the day. Commentators, in English at least, often ask where today's war poems are. 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ > > While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his > last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well > received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts > about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In > > ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. > While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but > laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. > > Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, > and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for > another book sometime next year. > > Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone > who was single. > > His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by > Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the > doorstep of the one admired. After knocking on the door, run away and hide, > but still be nearby once the person reads the poem. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From semanticsblack at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 07:54:19 2010 From: semanticsblack at yahoo.com (sheila black) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 04:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman In-Reply-To: <8CD4A9A21CDF842-1920-4427@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black? ?Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ ? While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ? ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. ? Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. ? Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. ? His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. After knocking on the door, run away and hide, but still be nearby once the person reads the poem. ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Fri Nov 5 08:23:11 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman In-Reply-To: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. After knocking on the door, run away and hide, but still be nearby once the person reads the poem. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From semanticsblack at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 09:13:02 2010 From: semanticsblack at yahoo.com (sheila black) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 06:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman In-Reply-To: <8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <532580.29426.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let the buyer beware??? what does that mean? You don't like Dickman? ?Sheila Black --- On Fri, 11/5/10, almaginnes at aol.com wrote: From: almaginnes at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 7:23 AM their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black? ?Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ ? While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ? ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. ? Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. ? Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. ? His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 09:27:53 2010 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I often wonder how D H Lawrence was able to be so prolific. He must have made enough $$ from his novels to work full time. I think of Lawrence and Blake as kindred spirits. Lawrence, between poetry, novels, essays and plays, tried his hand at painting. Think of what Lawrence was able to accomplish in 44 years. --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Bob Grumman wrote: From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 2:48 PM On 11/4/2010 10:16 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From the biography I know, he did make money as an engraver illustrating books...but his circumstances were?humble, I believe. Thanks, James.? You remind me that he did have commissions or the equivalent.? I should find a biography of him--don't think I've ever read one.? I'm sure he self-published--hand-made books, in fact.? But "real" companies published him, too?? Odd that I know so little about him.? The romantics were my first poet-heroes. --Bob --Bob -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Nov 5 09:54:22 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:54:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman In-Reply-To: <8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> References: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6C84D0D5-FD1E-405B-96CF-2419E9858B3B@ripon.edu> Not sure I understand. Matthew Dickman won the AWP Honickman 1st book award for *All-American Poem*, which was published by AWP. His twin brother Michael was published by Copper Canyon. Do AWP books appear under the CC imprint? Twin brothers publishing their first collections in the same year garnered a lot of press. For what it's worth, I like Matthew D's poetry quite a bit. Haven't warmed up to Michael's much. They write very differently, even though they look identical. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sheila black > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman > > Hello James, > > Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black > > Sheila Black > > > --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > From: jforjames at aol.com > Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM > > http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ > > While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In > > ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. > > Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. > > Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. > > His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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Lawrence, between poetry, novels, essays and > plays, tried his hand at painting. > Think of what Lawrence was able to accomplish in 44 years. > > --- On *Thu, 11/4/10, Bob Grumman * wrote: > > > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 > To: "NewPoetry List" > Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > On 11/4/2010 10:16 AM, jforjames at aol.comwrote: > > From the biography I know, he did make money as an engraver illustrating > books...but his circumstances were humble, I believe. > > > Thanks, James. You remind me that he did have commissions or the > equivalent. I should find a biography of him--don't think I've ever read > one. I'm sure he self-published--hand-made books, in fact. But "real" > companies published him, too? Odd that I know so little about him. 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They > travel together, share lodging, etc. I'm sure in cities around the world > poets could do something similar. > > Of course the Dodge Festival in the US is another model for a multi-venue > poetry extravaganza. > > Southbank Centre is a big place; it's where the UK Poetry Library is: > http://www.poetrylibrary.org.uk/ > Though they'd be better served taking advantage of the London's countless > pubs. > > Some places to start recruiting... > http://international.poetryinternationalweb.org/ > > http://wordswithoutborders.org/find > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Dickow > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:33 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] cool news > > Hello New Poets! > Interesting article my mother (!) sent me. I think it's a rather smart bit > of marketing, personally, whatever one's esthetic tendencies; I'm less > cynical than Bob about the diversity (in terms of fake symbolic capital) > likely to be represented, and find this a rather good idea even if its > execution might end up leaving a little to be desired. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11674308 > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tad, who but a happy member of some people's republic would want to read (or publicize) an article pushing the insane idea that present day America is anything like the London of Blake's poem? --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 11:17:59 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:17:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Blake was self-published, which was pretty much the norm back then, even when there's a publisher's imprint--the poet was usually expected to cover the costs, whether upfront or after publication. But he was a prolific professional illustrator. His illustrations for Stedman's Narrative of a Five Years Expedition Against the Revolted Negroes of Surinam are usually considered his best commercial work. Worth checking. A few of them, mixed in with a lot of other stuff in the google image manner, are at http://www.google.com/images?q=blake+surinam&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1008&bih=545. Best, Mark At 09:27 AM 11/5/2010, you wrote: >I often wonder how D H Lawrence was able to be >so prolific. He must have made enough $$ from >his novels to work full time. I think of >Lawrence and Blake as kindred spirits. Lawrence, >between poetry, novels, essays and plays, tried his hand at painting. >Think of what Lawrence was able to accomplish in 44 years. > >--- On Thu, 11/4/10, Bob Grumman wrote: > >From: Bob Grumman >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 >To: "NewPoetry List" >Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 2:48 PM > >On 11/4/2010 10:16 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> From the biography I know, he did make money >> as an engraver illustrating books...but his >> circumstances were humble, I believe. > >Thanks, James. You remind me that he did have >commissions or the equivalent. I should find a >biography of him--don't think I've ever read >one. I'm sure he self-published--hand-made >books, in fact. But "real" companies published >him, too? Odd that I know so little about >him. The romantics were my first poet-heroes. > >--Bob > >--Bob > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Nov 5 12:24:38 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:24:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net><370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD42FC6.5080206@nut-n-but.net> On 11/5/2010 9:33 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > Why do folks on the right think it's so endlessly funny to refer to > any group, however loose, with liberals in it as "the people's republic"? And, Tad, a single reference in passing to this group as "a people's republic" shouldn't suggest that the person making it finds it "so endlessly funny." --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Nov 5 12:26:11 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:26:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net><370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD43023.6060606@nut-n-but.net> On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Blake was self-published, which was pretty much the norm back then, > even when there's a publisher's imprint--the poet was usually expected > to cover the costs, whether upfront or after publication. But he was a > prolific professional illustrator. His illustrations for Stedman's > Narrative of a Five Years Expedition Against the Revolted Negroes of > Surinam are usually considered his best commercial work. Worth > checking. A few of them, mixed in with a lot of other stuff in the > google image manner, are at > http://www.google.com/images?q=blake+surinam&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1008&bih=545 > > . Thanks, Mark. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 11:25:18 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:25:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD43023.6060606@nut-n-but.net> References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4CD43023.6060606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: My pleasure. I actually own a copy of the book, which I picked up from a used bookseller years ago. At 12:26 PM 11/5/2010, you wrote: >On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>Blake was self-published, which was pretty much >>the norm back then, even when there's a >>publisher's imprint--the poet was usually >>expected to cover the costs, whether upfront or >>after publication. But he was a prolific >>professional illustrator. His illustrations for >>Stedman's Narrative of a Five Years Expedition >>Against the Revolted Negroes of Surinam are >>usually considered his best commercial work. >>Worth checking. A few of them, mixed in with a >>lot of other stuff in the google image manner, >>are at >>http://www.google.com/images?q=blake+surinam&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1008&bih=545 >>. > >Thanks, Mark. > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Fri Nov 5 11:32:25 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 11:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman In-Reply-To: <6C84D0D5-FD1E-405B-96CF-2419E9858B3B@ripon.edu> References: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> <6C84D0D5-FD1E-405B-96CF-2419E9858B3B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CD4B15C7EFD18B-1AA8-CB53@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com> Yes, both their books appeared from Copper Canyon. The AWP books I;ve seen are under CC. For what it's worth, I think the Dickmans have garnered a lot of attention based on rather slim bodies of work. I can think of half a dozen first or second books of poems I've enjoyed far more than either of theirs in the last two years. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:08 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Not sure I understand. Matthew Dickman won the AWP Honickman 1st book award for *All-American Poem*, which was published by AWP. His twin brother Michael was published by Copper Canyon. Do AWP books appear under the CC imprint? Twin brothers publishing their first collections in the same year garnered a lot of press. For what it's worth, I like Matthew D's poetry quite a bit. Haven't warmed up to Michael's much. They write very differently, even though they look identical. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Nov 5 11:40:50 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:40:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman Brothers: Twin Stars In-Reply-To: <8CD4B15C7EFD18B-1AA8-CB53@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com> References: <192111.22625.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CD4AFB58D483A7-1CC0-28B00@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> <6C84D0D5-FD1E-405B-96CF-2419E9858B3B@ripon.edu> <8CD4B15C7EFD18B-1AA8-CB53@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B2698C5-444F-4187-8395-94F0A3080A40@ripon.edu> I long ago realized I just don't understand Po Biz, and never will. I do like Matthew Dickman's work quite a bit, but yes, he's only published a single book, and it's far too soon to herald a major career, give him the star treatment, etc. But it seems we no longer call such books "promising" and wait and see. We single out a few young poets for major status, and ignore the hundreds who are equally promising. Of course, journalists love hooks, and identical twins both winning poetry awards and publishing their first books at once is a great story. And isn't there some connection between the Dickman brothers and Sharon Olds? I fondly remember Galway Kinnell blurbing a first book many years ago with the word "agreeable," which is exactly what it was. Can you imagine that blurb on a book these days? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > Yes, both their books appeared from Copper Canyon. The AWP books I;ve seen are under CC. > > For what it's worth, I think the Dickmans have garnered a lot of attention based on rather slim bodies of work. I can think of half a dozen first or second books of poems I've enjoyed far more than either of theirs in the last two years. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:08 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman > > Not sure I understand. Matthew Dickman won the AWP Honickman 1st book award for *All-American Poem*, which was published by AWP. His twin brother Michael was published by Copper Canyon. Do AWP books appear under the CC imprint? > > Twin brothers publishing their first collections in the same year garnered a lot of press. > > For what it's worth, I like Matthew D's poetry quite a bit. Haven't warmed up to Michael's much. They write very differently, even though they look identical. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > >> their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sheila black >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman >> >> Hello James, >> >> Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black >> >> Sheila Black >> >> >> --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >> From: jforjames at aol.com >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM >> >> http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ >> >> While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In >> >> ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. >> >> Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. >> >> Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. >> >> His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Nov 5 11:57:34 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 11:57:34 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net> References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: A simile is supposed to suggest parallels, not exact duplication. I have no idea as to the happiness of members of people's republics. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 11/5/2010 9:33 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > >> Why do folks on the right think it's so endlessly funny to refer to any >> group, however loose, with liberals in it as "the people's republic"? >> > Tad, who but a happy member of some people's republic would want to read > (or publicize) an article pushing the insane idea that present day America > is anything like the London of Blake's poem? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Black ?Sheila Black --- On Fri, 11/5/10, David Graham wrote: From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman Brothers: Twin Stars To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:40 AM I long ago realized I just don't understand Po Biz, and never will. ?I do like Matthew Dickman's work quite a bit, but yes, he's only published a single book, and it's far too soon to herald a major career, give him the star treatment, etc. ?But it seems we no longer call such books "promising" and wait and see. ?We single out a few young poets for major status, and ignore the hundreds who are equally promising. ? Of course, journalists love hooks, and identical twins both winning poetry awards and publishing their first books at once is a great story. ?And isn't there some connection between the Dickman brothers and Sharon Olds? ? I fondly remember Galway Kinnell blurbing a first book many years ago with the word "agreeable," which is exactly what it was. ?Can you imagine that blurb on a book these days? ========================================David Grahamgrahamd at ripon.edu Home Page:http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library:http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: Yes, both their books appeared from Copper Canyon. The AWP books I;ve seen are under CC. For what it's worth, I think the Dickmans have garnered a lot of attention based on rather slim bodies of work. I can think of half a dozen first or second books of poems I've? enjoyed far more than either of theirs in the last two years. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:08 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Not sure I understand. ?Matthew Dickman won the AWP Honickman 1st book award for *All-American Poem*, which was published by AWP. ?His twin brother Michael was published by Copper Canyon. ?Do AWP books appear under the CC imprint? Twin brothers publishing their first collections in the same year garnered a lot of press. For what it's worth, I like Matthew D's poetry quite a bit. ?Haven't warmed up to Michael's much. ?They write very differently, even though they look identical. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black? ?Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ ? While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ? ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. ? Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. ? Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. ? His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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I enjoyed both of these far more than anything I've read by the Dickmans. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Brothers: Twin Stars No...hyperbole/a rules. Which makes me doubt everything I write rather than the opposite. S. Black Sheila Black --- On Fri, 11/5/10, David Graham wrote: From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman Brothers: Twin Stars To: "NewPoetry List" Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:40 AM I long ago realized I just don't understand Po Biz, and never will. I do like Matthew Dickman's work quite a bit, but yes, he's only published a single book, and it's far too soon to herald a major career, give him the star treatment, etc. But it seems we no longer call such books "promising" and wait and see. We single out a few young poets for major status, and ignore the hundreds who are equally promising. Of course, journalists love hooks, and identical twins both winning poetry awards and publishing their first books at once is a great story. And isn't there some connection between the Dickman brothers and Sharon Olds? I fondly remember Galway Kinnell blurbing a first book many years ago with the word "agreeable," which is exactly what it was. Can you imagine that blurb on a book these days? ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: Yes, both their books appeared from Copper Canyon. The AWP books I;ve seen are under CC. For what it's worth, I think the Dickmans have garnered a lot of attention based on rather slim bodies of work. I can think of half a dozen first or second books of poems I've enjoyed far more than either of theirs in the last two years. -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:08 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Not sure I understand. Matthew Dickman won the AWP Honickman 1st book award for *All-American Poem*, which was published by AWP. His twin brother Michael was published by Copper Canyon. Do AWP books appear under the CC imprint? Twin brothers publishing their first collections in the same year garnered a lot of press. For what it's worth, I like Matthew D's poetry quite a bit. Haven't warmed up to Michael's much. They write very differently, even though they look identical. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: their books are both available from Copper Canyon. Caveat emptor. -----Original Message----- From: sheila black To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Hello James, Do you know where I could order or buy a copy of Matthew Dickman's poems? I am always interested in poets like this to share with my Creative Writing class, as I think these are the guys that need to be celebrated more than anyone else today. Thank you. Sheila Black Sheila Black --- On Thu, 11/4/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: From: jforjames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickman To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:47 PM http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2010/10/27/%E2%80%98all-american%E2%80%99-poet-favors-unpublished-words/ While the poet opted to read his non-published works, he promised that his last set would be excerpts from ?All-American Poem.? These were also well received by the audience, especially ?V,? a humorous tale of his thoughts about a girl who wore a shirt saying ?Talk Nerdy To Me.? In ?Dear Space,? Dickman mused about wanting to be a superhero for a girl. While it stressed feelings of love and desire, listeners couldn?t help but laugh at the idea of an invisibility suit made of tin foil and plastic wrap. Dickman opened the floor for questions in the final minutes of the reading, and informed the audience that he was working on a new manuscript for another book sometime next year. Before leaving, he told the audience one last important lesson for anyone who was single. His careful instructions were to get the poem ??Having a Coke with You?? by Frank O?Hara, then buy two cans of Coke and place them and the poem on the doorstep of the one admired. 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Musical selections from composer George Flynn's Songs of Destruction will be performed by soprano Elizabeth Farnum and pianist Alan Feinberg. LOCATION Peter B. Lewis Theater Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum 1071 Fifth Avenue at 88th Street Subway - 4, 5, 6 train to 86th Street Bus - M1, M2, M3, or M4 bus on Madison or Fifth Avenue TICKETS $30 General $25 Guggenheim Members $10 Students (25 and under with valid student ID) (212) 423-3587, M-F, 1-5 PM or visit worksandprocess.org BRIAN TURNER is a soldier-poet whose debut book of poems, Here, Bullet, won the 2005 Beatrice Hawley Award, the New York Times "Editor's Choice" selection, the 2006 Pen Center USA "Best in the West" award, and the 2007 Poets Prize, among others. Turner served seven years in the US Army, to include one year as an infantry team leader in Iraq with the 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. Prior to that, he was deployed to Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1999-2000 with the 10th Mountain Division. Turner's poetry has been published in Poetry Daily, The Georgia Review, and other journals, and in the Voices in Wartime Anthology published in conjunction with the feature-length documentary film of the same name. Turner was also featured in Operation Homecoming, a unique documentary that explores the firsthand accounts of American servicemen and women through their own words. He earned an MFA from the University of Oregon and has lived abroad in South Korea. Brian Turner's Here, Bullet is a harrowing, beautiful first-person account of the Iraq war. The poems in this remarkable collection reflect Turner's experiences as a soldier with penetrating lyric power, compassion, sensitivity, and eloquence, while deploring the violence and acknowledging the grief and terror of war. One poem, Eulogy, was written to memorialize a soldier in his platoon who took his own life. Adding his voice to the current debate about the US occupation of Iraq, in poems written in the tradition of such poets as Wilfred Owen, Yusef Komunyakaa (Dien Cai Dau), Bruce Weigl (Song of Napalm) and Doug Anderson (The Moon Reflected Fire), veteran Brian Turner's affecting poetry of witness is exceptional for its beauty, honesty, and skill. These gracefully-rendered, unflinching poems make Here, Bullet a must-read for anyone who cares about the war, regardless of political affiliation. His second poetry book, Phantom Noise, was released by Alice James in the Spring of 2010. Turner was selected as one of 50 United States Artists Fellows for 2009. BRUCE WEIGL enlisted in the Army and served in Vietnam for one year, beginning in December 1967, soon after turning 18. He was awarded the Bronze Star and returned to his hometown of Lorain, Ohio, where he enrolled in Lorain County Community College. As Weigl states in his best-selling prose memoir, The Circle of Hanh (2000), "The paradox of my life as a writer is that the war ruined my life and in return gave me my voice." He earned his BA at Oberlin College, his MA at the University of New Hampshire, and his PhD at the University of Utah. After teaching at Penn State for many years, Weigl returned to Lorain County Community College as the school's first Distinguished Professor. In addition to teaching, he started a student veterans group and, in 2008, founded the online North Coast Review. Influenced by James Wright, Weigl's free-verse poetry seeks, in his words, "the beauty of a thing said straight." Weigl's early work engages directly with the horror of his experience of war, while more recent work explores themes of family and childhood. His Buddhist practice influences his compassionate and unflinching attention to what he terms "ordinary people in extraordinary situations." Weigl is the author of more than a dozen books of poetry, including The Unraveling Strangeness (2002), Archeology of the Circle: New and Selected Poems (1999), and After the Others (1999). He has also written several collections of critical essays, has published translations of Vietnamese and Romanian poetry, and has also edited or co-edited several anthologies of war poetry, including Writing Between the Lines: An Anthology on War and Its Social Consequences (1997) and Mountain River: Vietnamese Poetry from the Wars, 1948-1993; A Bilingual Collection (1998). Weigl's own poetry has been widely anthologized, including in Best American Poetry (1994), The Morrow Anthology of Younger American Poets (1985), Against Forgetting: Twentieth Century Poetry of Witness (1993), and American Alphabets: 25 Contemporary Poets (2006). Weigl has won the Lannan Literary Award for Poetry, the Paterson Poetry Prize, the Poet's Prize from the Academy of American Poets, the Cleveland Arts Prize, and two Pushcart Prizes. Song of Napalm (1998) was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. He has also been awarded fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts and the Yaddo Foundation. Works & Process at the Guggenheim For over 25 years and in over 300 productions, New Yorkers have been able to see, hear, and meet the most acclaimed artists in the world, in an intimate setting unlike any other. Works & Process, the performing arts series at the Guggenheim, has championed new works, offered audiences unprecedented access to our generation's leading creators and performers, and hosted post-show receptions for the audiences and artists to continue the discussion. Each 80-minute performance uniquely combines artistic creation and stimulating conversation and takes place in the Guggenheim's intimate Frank Lloyd Wright-designed 285-seat Pete B. Lewis Theater. Described by The New York Times as "an exceptional opportunity to understand something of the creative process," Works & Process is produced by founder Mary Sharp Cronson. Lead funding provided by The Peter Jay Sharp Foundation with additional support from The Brown Foundation, Inc., of Houston, The Christian Humann Foundation, Fundaci?n/Colecci?n Jumex, Leon Levy Foundation, and Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Inc. This program is supported by public funds from the National Endowment for the Arts, New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency, and New York City Department of Cultural Affairs. 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ERNEST HILBERT'S FAREWELL ADDRESS One of several enticements of the internet for a literary magazine, as for any enterprise, is the ease with which information may be conveyed, stored, and distributed. The era that saw pallets of magazines amassed in warehouses -- or, in the case of one magazine I edited, in the copy room at the law office of its publisher -- is nearing its end (another magazine I edited suffered the loss of nearly its entire first issue when it was summarily incinerated by workmen, who deemed the amount of space it absorbed, in otherwise-unused lockers, intolerable). Contemporary Poetry Review founder and publisher Garrick Davis outlined the case succinctly in his second mission statement: The cost to produce, and therefore to purchase, a little magazine is exorbitant-it usually carries a price equal to a paperback book. Possessing a tiny readership, the little magazine cannot attract advertisers. Lacking advertisers, it cannot offset the costs of production. With no profit margin to encourage its sale and distribution, every issue of the little magazine begins its life stillborn as a commercial enterprise. We have since discovered that the world of online publishing is not entirely devoid of hazards. It harbors its own gremlins. Buggy servers, hard-to-reach programmers, and limited budgets slowly ground the magazine to a temporary, but entirely unavoidable, halt earlier this year. In its twelfth year of publication, the Contemporary Poetry Review dedicated much of its energies to an upgrade and has now emerged from its chrysalis in superior form. Five years is a long time, even if it is only a blip on the ever-scrolling screen of literary history. Having devoted a full half decade ministering the needs of the magazine -- editing, editorializing, and chasing after all manner of loose ends -- I feel I deserve some time to relax and pursue allied projects, so I now step down as editor. I will remain mixed up with the magazine, of course, and, with luck, I may even locate the energy to begin writing again myself (as evidenced by my essay on John Ashbery in an upcoming issue). In my time as editor I have parried furious, often fanatical, correspondence, gained at least one stalker, and somehow found time to marshal a great number of reviews through press, sometimes from the merest germ of an idea. The position provided countless alarms, amusements, and diversions. Risks were rewarded. Parties were thrown, reputations challenged, ills addressed, obscurer talents hailed, cars impounded. I enjoyed interviewing a number of lively subjects, among them W.D. Snodgrass, Franz Wright, and Erica Dawson. I instituted a series of short essays focused on individual poems, "CPR Classic Readings," which yielded close readings of poems by Louis MacNeice, Yeats, Donald Davie, and Hart Crane. I arranged several special issues devoted to individual poets, including Elizabeth Bishop, Louis MacNeice, X. J. Kennedy, Tom Disch, and Philip Larkin. I applied considerable energy to recruiting new critics, a group that includes such talents as Hannah Brooks-Motl, Andrew Goodspeed, Mariana Houskov?, Maria Johnston, Adam Kirsch, Lorne Mooke, Rebecca Porte, and Kathleen Rooney. Thus my farewell address. I will not warn against poetry-industrial complexes, fulminate against the party system (so rankly evident in much poetry culture), or abjure privileged monopolies. I've said enough already. The Contemporary Poetry Review will, no doubt, continue to prod, provoke, uncover, analyze, and antagonize as it has these past twelve years. So I say: Here's to all tomorrow's parties. Many thanks for reading, and welcome to CPR 2.0. Enjoy! BUY THE NEW BOOK BY CONTEMPORARY POETRY REVIEW FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER GARRICK DAVIS: TERMINAL DIAGRAMS, AVAILABLE NOW FROM OHIO UNIVERSITY PRESS Buy it here. "These poems are made of steel." - Willis Barnstone "These are formally elegant poems on subjects that are inelegant and indeed chaotic and mad. That juxtaposition gives [these] poems an enormous leverage and credence and conviction." - Sherod Santos, author of The Intricated Soul: New and Selected Poems Garrick Davis's Terminal Diagrams may have been inspired by the illustrated maps in airport lounges, or perhaps they are the blueprints of the Apocalypse, with their subjects and objects representing the bitter fruits of either some future nightmare or the present world. Regardless, their vision is so bleak and unsparing, only a few will be able to savor them. Here, the art of poetry has been mechanized just as the world has been mechanized. Whether his subject is a car accident on the freeways of Los Angeles or the Book of Revelation transmitted by television, Davis's stanzas conjure a kind of futuristic noir. In poem after poem, he examines the artistic possibilities of the machine, and its alterations of human experience, with a modern spirit that -- as Baudelaire defined it -- has embraced "the sublimity and monstrousness of something new." Garrick Davis is the founding editor of the Contemporary Poetry Review, the largest online archive of poetry criticism in the world (cprw.com). His poetry and criticism have appeared in the New Criterion, Verse, the Weekly Standard, McSweeney's, and the New York Sun. He also edited Child of the Ocmulgee: the Selected Poems of Freda Quenneville. He is the literature specialist of the National Endowment for the Arts in Washington. Help the CPR Please remember all the weary critics out there sweating over their reviews, counting on payment for their taxing and otherwise thankless work. Consider a tax-deductible contribution to the Contemporary Poetry Review. 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Sunday, November 7th, 2PM Ernest Hilbert reads with Nicholas Friedman Carmine Street Metrics Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery New York, NY 10012-2802 *** Thursday, November 11th, 7PM Ernest Hilbert reads with Bill Coyle, Nora Delany, and Daniel Pritchard Hosted by Zachary Bos Sponsored by the Boston Poetry Union Pierre Menard Gallery 10 Arrow Street Harvard Square Cambridge, MA 02138 FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WINE WILL BE PROVIDED *** Sunday December 5th, 2-4PM Ernest Hilbert reads with Bill Coyle, Anna Evans, April Lindner, James Matthew Wilson, Alfred Nicol and David Yezzi, hosted by Michael Peich and Christine Yurick. Fourth Annual Victory Collaborative: Celebrating poetry and beer, sponsored by Think Journal Victory Brewing Company, 420 Acorn Lane, Downingtown, PA 19335 *** Monday, February 7th, 2011, 6:30PM Ernest Hilbert reads with Nick Moudry Philadelphia Free Library Monday Poets Reading Series Skyline Room of the Philadelphia Central Library, 1901 Vine Street, Philadelphia, 19103 FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC CPR editor Ernest Hilbert's debut collection is available from Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and finer bookstores. Latest Praise for Sixty Sonnets Ernest Hilbert's Sixty Sonnets is exactly what its title suggests -- and thus it's a performance as much as a book of poems, showy and spectacular. From the brisk noir of "She Remembers How They Fled from the Liquor Store Robbery in New Mexico" to the ironic call-and-response of "Fortunate Ones" to the elegiac fatalism of "White Noise" Hilbert takes the reader on a bravura run through seemingly every variation of tone and style that the sonnet can contain. It's a craftsman's book, a revival of form best summed up by the opening lines of "Song": "A song for those who learn forgotten, slow / Skills, crafts submerged long past by massed commerce." - Levi Stahl, poetry editor, Quarterly Conversation [Sixty Sonnets] delivers the full range of human types and stories, and nearly the whole breadth of what the sonnet can do. . . . We might see Hilbert as being God in these poems -- as taking the all-gathering view of the merciful God who has room for all these lost ones, right along with the desperate fugitives, retired literary critics, crime victims, lovers, and godfathers. The poet as indwelling creator spirit? It fits for Hilbert: poet, from poietes, maker. - Rattle Hilbert is one of our best rhymers since Robert Frost, and his poems have been compared by superb poets to those of John Berryman and Robert Lowell. We haven't had a poetry like his -- both seriously tough-minded and wryly self-chiding -- to enjoy and mull over for a long time. - Alice Quinn, Executive Director of the Poetry Society of America Forward email This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com by cpreview at aol.com. Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by Contemporary Poetry Review | P.O. Box 5222 | Arlington | VA | 22205 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Nov 5 14:14:46 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:14:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CD44507.1010407@nut-n-but.net> References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net> <4CD44507.1010407@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Actually, I would say that there are far more similarities between Blake's London and America than between New-Po and an people's republic, starting with the fact that both London and America are geo-political entities. Beyond that, it doesn't seem to me to be such a stretch to imagine contemporary America caught in mind-forg'd manacles. You, yourself, see the the contemporary poetry establishment caught in mind-forg'd manacles. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 11/5/2010 10:57 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > > > A simile is supposed to suggest parallels, not exact duplication. 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 14:43:13 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:43:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net> <370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net> <4CD44507.1010407@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: The extent of human misery is certainly less, but its depth is about the same, even in New York. Hell, we even have slavery in some quarters. At 02:14 PM 11/5/2010, you wrote: >Actually, I would say that there are far more >similarities between Blake's London and America >than between New-Po and an people's republic, >starting with the fact that both London and >America are geo-political entities. Beyond that, >it doesn't seem to me to be such a stretch to >imagine contemporary America caught in >mind-forg'd manacles. You, yourself, see the the >contemporary poetry establishment caught in mind-forg'd manacles. > >On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Bob Grumman ><bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: >On 11/5/2010 10:57 AM, Tad Richards wrote: >> >>A simile is supposed to suggest parallels, not >>exact duplication. I have no idea as to the >>happiness of members of people's republics. >Tad, I'll just say that New-Poetry is a hundred >times more like any people's republic you want >to name than America is like Blake's London--not >that I really think New-Poetry is a hotbed of rabid communist-sympathizers. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea as to the happiness of members of people's republics.>> Tad, I'll just say that New-Poetry is a hundred times more like any people's republic you want to name than America is like Blake's London--not that I really think New-Poetry is a hotbed of rabid communist-sympathizers. --Bob While that may {or may not} be true, contemporary America is probably as like Blake?s ?London? [sic] as Blake?s [late eighteenth century] London [sic] was to Blake?s ?London?. I suppose there is also a case that the largeness of the loom of oligarchy (class in 18thC London, financial clout in contemporary America) makes those two locations closer in that particular aspect than either are to present day England. Then there is, of course, ?Jerusalem?, as like or unlike either then or present day Jerusalem as it is to then or present day England or America. A deeply fraught and complex writer, your man Blake, now, isn?t he but? 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They got the write up because they are pretty boy twins who have the same publisher and because they have the twin shtick. -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Daly To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickman Brothers: Twin Stars she's a relative they are Laux students from U of Oregon and U of Oregon has been very effective in garnering prizes for their grads they got the New Yorker write up and everything because they are actors as well -- they were in Minority Report so they are really sort of like agented/managed celebrity authors (think Jewel) who got MFAs they are apparently very nice people _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 16:57:38 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:57:38 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stephen Fry's language - usage diatribe In-Reply-To: <8CD4B3C9073ED55-15C4-2D47@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B3C9073ED55-15C4-2D47@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: very very nice On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > http://perpetualbird.blogspot.com/2010/11/word-candy.html > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Nov 5 18:52:26 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:52:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net><370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net><4CD44507.1010407@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4CD48AAA.6030704@nut-n-but.net> On 11/5/2010 1:14 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > Actually, I would say that there are far more similarities between > Blake's London and America than between New-Po and an people's > republic, starting with the fact that both London and America are > geo-political entities. Beyond that, it doesn't seem to me to be such > a stretch to imagine contemporary America caught in mind-forg'd > manacles. You, yourself, see the the contemporary poetry establishment > caught in mind-forg'd manacles. Okay, Tad, I finally pulled out the thick text I have of Romantic Poetry and looked up "London": I wander thro' each chartered street, Near where the charter'd Thames does flow, And mark in every face I meet Marks of weakness, marks of woe. Sorry, I think only a wacked-out radical would mark in every contemporary American face what Blake marks in Londoners'. In every cry of every man, In every infant's cry of fear, In every voice, in every ban, The mind-forge'd manacles I hear. I suppose I hear the equivalent of mind-forged manacles in a few voices, especially those in charge of the surface of the poetry world, but not in "every voice," or in more than a very few voices. I don't hear many cries. How the Chimney-sweeper's cry. Every black'ning Church appalls; And the hapless Soldier's sigh Runs in blood down palace walls. A left-winger, I suppose, would find sighing soldiers in our country, but my impression is that most American soldiers are only sighing at how they're misused by politicians, and at how little Americans realize their importance. And we do not have the equivalent of chimney-sweepers now. Moreover, our citizens are INCREDIBLY affluent compared to the English of Blake's time. And what you want to say about American churches, they do a great deal for the poor. We don't have clergy wallowing in wealth, that I know about. But most thro' midnight streets I hear How the youthful Harlot's curse Blasts the new born Infant's tear, And blights with plagues the Marriage hearse. I can't find the parallel to this in contemporary America but it's such a wild metaphor that I suppose a hysteric could apply it to any country at any time. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Nov 5 19:03:04 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:03:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4CD30013.6040900@nut-n-but.net><370469.19163.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4CD42F13.1090601@nut-n-but.net><4CD44507.1 010407@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4CD48D28.3020304@nut-n-but.net> Robin the faintly pink > And citizen in good standing of the People's Republic of New-Poetry! The whole discussion has gone too political for me. I'm a political extremist on most issues, sometimes with the left, sometimes with the right, but--good grief--I've taught high school kids from the projects who are more affluent than I, with their I-pods, expensive sneakers, etc. So I can't be the kind of sentimentalist I perceive Blake to have been (a lot more understandably than most current leftists). --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As to "only a wacked-out radical", that sounds a perfect description of Blake, who was busted for wearing a Phrygian cap to support the French Revolution, and arguing with a soldier in his back yard. I imagine he (Blake) would consider the politics of New Poetry as, at the best, that of well-meaning but not terribly radical bien sophonts, along with Wordsworth and Coleridge. Blake would in today's terms, I'd guess, be further to the left than Noam Chomsky. Robin ________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:52 PM To: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] William Blake's America, 2010 On 11/5/2010 1:14 PM, Tad Richards wrote: > Actually, I would say that there are far more similarities between > Blake's London and America than between New-Po and an people's > republic, starting with the fact that both London and America are > geo-political entities. Beyond that, it doesn't seem to me to be such > a stretch to imagine contemporary America caught in mind-forg'd > manacles. You, yourself, see the the contemporary poetry establishment > caught in mind-forg'd manacles. Okay, Tad, I finally pulled out the thick text I have of Romantic Poetry and looked up "London": I wander thro' each chartered street, Near where the charter'd Thames does flow, And mark in every face I meet Marks of weakness, marks of woe. Sorry, I think only a wacked-out radical would mark in every contemporary American face what Blake marks in Londoners'. In every cry of every man, In every infant's cry of fear, In every voice, in every ban, The mind-forge'd manacles I hear. I suppose I hear the equivalent of mind-forged manacles in a few voices, especially those in charge of the surface of the poetry world, but not in "every voice," or in more than a very few voices. I don't hear many cries. How the Chimney-sweeper's cry. Every black'ning Church appalls; And the hapless Soldier's sigh Runs in blood down palace walls. A left-winger, I suppose, would find sighing soldiers in our country, but my impression is that most American soldiers are only sighing at how they're misused by politicians, and at how little Americans realize their importance. And we do not have the equivalent of chimney-sweepers now. Moreover, our citizens are INCREDIBLY affluent compared to the English of Blake's time. And what you want to say about American churches, they do a great deal for the poor. We don't have clergy wallowing in wealth, that I know about. But most thro' midnight streets I hear How the youthful Harlot's curse Blasts the new born Infant's tear, And blights with plagues the Marriage hearse. 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She elaborated: "One poet would get carried away by the sound of his own voice and verse; others could be seen and heard champing at the bit. Auden brooded in dark glasses while an American poetess ? Anne Sexton? went on and on about her 'second suicide'." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/07/international-poetry-festival I kinda like the idea of every seat filled ? and a stage void of poets. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 8 20:29:19 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:29:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fall Back poems Message-ID: <8CD4DC4AA42E5E4-101C-3D11@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Six poems to mark the end of daylight saving time... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/05/opinion/poems-for-fall.html?_r=1&ref=opinion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Chief Minister said that Allama Iqbal promoted the spirit of self-respect and national pride among the Muslims of the sub-continent and it was because of his teachings that Muslims waged a united struggle for a separate homeland under the dynamic leadership of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and materialized his dream on August 14, 1947. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roxy533 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 21:04:03 2010 From: roxy533 at yahoo.com (Roxanne Hoffman) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:04:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] cartoon from The New Yorker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <223269.21356.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ROFL! POETS WEAR PRADA C/O Roxanne Hoffman 533 Bloomfield Street - 2nd Floor Hoboken, NJ 07030 http://pwpbooks.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Poets-Wear-Prada/41483895438 http://twitter.com/pradapoet POETS WEAR PRADA is a small press based in Hoboken, New Jersey devoted to introducing new authors through limited edition, high- quality chaplets, primarily of poetry. New press, great authors, a publisher who is one miracle short of sainthood.-Angelo Verga, Poetry Curator of The Cornelia Street Cafe Poets Wear Prada is a poetry publishing house with excellent poets and affordable books with beautiful covers. Have you had your poetry today?-Meredith Sue Willis, Books for Readers Stylistically, these beautifully designed and produced chaplets bear their own distinctive signature.-Linda Lerner, Small Press Review Proud Member of CLMP http://flordelconcreto.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/flordelconcreto ? --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Anny Ballardini wrote: From: Anny Ballardini Subject: [New-Poetry] cartoon from The New Yorker To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 12:54 PM -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Eliot and the Demise of the Literary Culture Joseph Epstein November 2010 In 1956, Eliot lectured on ?The Function of Criticism? in a gymnasium at the University of Minnesota to a crowd estimated at 15,000 people. ?I do not believe,? he remarked afterward, ?there are fifteen thousand people in the entire world who are interested in criticism.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 09:10:03 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:10:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] more Message-ID: kindly posted by Peter Ganick on ex-ex literature http://ex-ex-lit.blogspot.com/2010/11/poem-anny-ballardini_9721.html since the format was lost I am pasting it below: You have done all what you can -_need to do more_- Howl-how can I? How? I can How | Howl | you?ve done all what you can /*more* | how?s it possible? How_ WHAT-why isn?t it possible WHY what can I do to make it possible? MORE WHY where the answers? WAVES in 12_24_81? HOWLING CRUSHES WAVING left cheek bleeding I can easily starve stop sleeping, pray from now till the end of time, sleep my life through, work incessantly_stop working::::::::::: just tell me WHAT WHAT I should do to do more *MORE* to save him SAVE HIM sweetness of memory memory of sweetness allow the answers to flow now they can come_open the doors allow life to go back to him allow his breath/heart to be your connection to life should become his your life his him my origin of the work of art -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 9 09:13:16 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:13:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Body Attacks Itself & 24 other New Literary Magazines In-Reply-To: <1103876849974.1102110443848.434.10.57060001@scheduler> References: <1103876849974.1102110443848.434.10.57060001@scheduler> Message-ID: <8CD4E2F6336D6E8-16CC-B362@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> I was sorry to hear that James Cervantes was ending his run of the Salt River Reviews. (I always meant to try get something in there.) But it seems that new magazines are furiously spawning as we speak. Finnegan -- P&W announces: Twenty-five journals have been added to our database of literary magazines in the past two months, including The Body Attacks Itself. 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Dunn is one of those poets I used to ravenously devour but haven't looked at for some time. It's a shame, and this is one of his poems that reminds me exactly why. I hope you enjoy! l My best, l Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum, Founder & Editor l Contact us at AndrewMcFadyenKetchum at PoemoftheWeek.org l Donate to PoemoftheWeek.org at http://poemoftheweek.org/id294.html. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 12:18:41 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:18:41 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ian D. Copestake, The Ethics of William Carlos Williams's Poetry Message-ID: BOOKS: Ian D. Copestake, The Ethics of William Carlos Williams's Poetry. NY: Camden House, 2010. http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=13440 For review copies please contact: copers at gmail.com. -- Dr. Ian Copestake Managing Editor, William Carlos Williams Review Secretary/Treasurer, William Carlos Williams Society http://english.ttu.edu/WCWR/ http://www.uni-bamberg.de/britcult/personen/dr-ian-copestake/ Ian Copestake Rebenstrasse 3 60599 Frankfurt am Main Germany -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The propensity of the United States to appropriate to itself vestiges of other nations? cultures, to intervene in distant territories in the name of world security, to detain foreign nationals within its own territories on account of the war on Terror, to manage and manipulate its own image and self-representation across the world has arguably been the unavoidable flipside of America?s global pre-dominance. Scholars, academics, post-graduate students and others may offer 20-minute papers on the above theme from any theoretical or practical perspective. Proposals are sought in the areas of literary studies, history, politics, economics, geography, science, philosophy, media studies, film studies, photography, cultural studies, international relations and others. Also welcome will be proposals on the theme from creative artists for presentations in a form other than that of a scholarly paper. The conference will aim to generate diverse perspectives on America. Please send brief proposals (c.500 words) or expressions of interest to Dr Philip McGowan by e-mail at philip.mcgowan at qub.ac.uk before 31 December 2010. The IAAS is now on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=160392460655720&ref=mf Our website address is http://www.americanstudiesinireland.materdei.ie/ Best wishes Philip Office Hours, Autumn 2010: Wednesdays 10-11, Thursdays 11-12 Dr Philip McGowan School of English Tel. +4428 90973261 Queen's University Belfast Fax. +4428 90973334 Belfast BT7 1NN Webpage: http://www.qub.ac.uk/schools/SchoolofEnglish/Staff/StaffProfile/?school=English&ns=858edbd0ca698da38896d67bca516ae41fc4ca1916e67a5b3ec4adf3bfcb8bef Irish Association of American Studies website: www.americanstudiesinireland.materdei.ie Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 9 18:48:13 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:48:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Insomniacs Do In The Dark Message-ID: <8CD4E7FB52A5E25-CF4-3915@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com> What Insomniacs Do In The Dark Unlike ghosts that easily transcend matter, they walk headlong into walls and closed doors. They read books with absolutely blank pages or how else to explain that nothing is ever remembered. They bang around in the kitchen like bad chefs who can?t even make a bowl of cereal. They stare at clocks until the hands stop. They bang into one another going to the bathroom, and then they go back to bed and just have a good bang because there?s nothing better to do when wide awake at this hour. Afterwards they put headlocks on their pillows and the moon, but none cries uncle. In one window, all they can do is watch as a late last star rises, pretends to be the pilot light of the whole world, without which no new day will flash, then blaze. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 9 20:42:45 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:42:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Just checking Message-ID: ...to see if I've been banished from NewPo, or from some other poetry list that I was never on. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 10 15:29:23 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:29:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Anthology Of Rap Message-ID: <8CD4F2D18B8FAC2-CC0-194B@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131125923&ps=cprs Excerpt: The Anthology Of Rap Introduction The Anthology of Rap is the first anthology of lyrics representing rap?s recorded history from the late 1970s to the present. It tells the story of rap as lyric poetry. The lyrics included stretch from a transcription of a 1978 live performance by Grandmaster Flash and (the then) Furious Four to the latest poetic innovations of Jay-Z, Mos Def, Jean Grae, and Lupe Fiasco. The anthology?s purpose is threefold: (1) to distill, convey, and preserve rap?s poetic tradition within the context of African American oral culture and the Western poetic heritage; (2) to establish a wide and inclusive cultural history of rap on the grounds of its fundamental literary and artistic nature; and (3) to provide tools with which to read rap lyrics with close attention. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 18:07:10 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:07:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hurray! The Fall issue of BlazeVOX 2kX is now online! In-Reply-To: <1103900425715.1102813637767.1137.1.3913550F@scheduler> References: <1103900425715.1102813637767.1137.1.3913550F@scheduler> Message-ID: Having trouble viewing this email? Click here You're receiving this email because of your relationship with BlazeVOX [books]. Please confirmyour continued interest in receiving email from us. You may unsubscribeif you no longer wish to receive our emails. [image: top bar] Hello and welcome to the spring issue of BlazeVOX2kX. Now online at blazevox.org buffaloFocus : Norma Kassirer Author Bios : Bibliophones Introduction:Ezra Pound at 125 Download the full Fall 2010 issue as PDF BlazeVOX2kX Fall 2010 on ScribD Introduction: http://www.blazevox.org Ezra Pound at 125: *Either move or be moved* Welcome to the Fall issue of BlazeVOX 2kX. Once again we have a wonderful issue of wild fictions, poetry, and visual poetry. We have 86 authors presenting a varied array of writings from authors around the world, from varied backgrounds and whose ages range from 17 to 82. So hop in and be moved by these works! *Either move or be moved* is a favorite quote of mine from Ezra Pound. This simple phrase resounds in my mind of all the possibilities that can be open by the act of using ones own potential. In this case writing, but it is applicable to all the arts. I myself say, be relevant. We chose Ezra Pound as our Editor in Chief as he is still quite a relevant figure for today. We cannot forgive his politics but on his Quasquicentennial anniversary, we say hurray! On October 30th Erza Pound turned 125 years old. This is a big day for any writer and since he is our Editor-in-Chief, Ezra's birthday was something we did not want to miss. We had a nice celebration in Buffalo, NY that trailed on the tails of another literary event going on that day, Big Night. It was a lucky coincidence that I had already been scheduled to cook up a feast for this event, so it was natural that I themed it a birthday party. This is one of the best reading series in Buffalo featuring poetry, poets theater, music, film and of course, food. I have been cooking for these events since the inception of the series last year. It is always a thrill to entertain so many through food and poetry. And it is the perfect way to pack a room for a poetry reading. Although, to be honest, Ezra's birthday was not mentioned during the event, a simple slip of the mind of the hosts, as there was a lot going on that night. So not everyone knew that this was going on. But I was near the dining table and doing my best to explain that the Ezra Pumpkin was a tribute to our Editor-in-Chief. All one hundred guests had a good time and that is all that matters. So hurray! The full menu is below and many pictures of the event follow. For More information on Big Night: http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/article46762.ece And an iTunes Podcast treat for all: Ezra Pound: Early Poems and Translations Free Podcast of Pounds works read by Alan Davies Drake. http://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/ezra-pound-early-poems-translations/id211007656 -- Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza Editor & Publisher ------------------------------------- BlazeVOX [ books ] Publisher of weird little books -------------------------------------- editor at blazevox.org http://www.blazevox.org http://www.geoffreygatza.com/ [image: Evan Lavender-Smith?s From Old Notebooks hits #5 in Amazon ranking] Author List Alban Fischer Amy Hard Amanda Stephens Amy Lawless Amylia Grace Andrea Dulanto AE Baer Anisa Rahim Antony Hitchin Brad Vogler Barbara Duffey Benjamin Dickerson Bob Nimmo Billy Cancel Brian Edwards Brian Anthony Hardie Ashley Burgess Carlos Ponce-Mel?ndez Carol Smallwood Caroline Klocksiem Chad Scheel Christine Herzer Darren Caffrey David Toms Debrah Morkun Diana Salier Donna Danford David Plumb Ed Makowski Elizabeth Brazeal Eric Wayne Dickey Erin J. 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He was 94. Affectionately called ?Gloucester?s conscience... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 10 21:07:09 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:07:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] poetic thoughts, minus the poems Message-ID: <8CD4F5C4809533E-758-4EC8@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> http://choriamb.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/aphorisms-poetic-thoughts-minus-the-poems/ Aphorisms: ?poetic thoughts, minus the poems? Posted on September 20, 2010 by choriamb| Leave a comment Aphorisms are short sayings containing truths or observations, and?as can be seen in the articles below?poets find them a heck of a lot of fun. George Murray, cofounder of Canada?s leading literary blog Bookninja, just came out with ?a catalogue of 409 aphorisms [he] culled from his journals and poetry over the years.? The book is called Glimpse, According to an article by Richard Helm in the Edmonton Journal, the book started when the poet James Richardson ?told Murray many of the closing couplets from the sonnets of his last collection, The Rush to Here, would work as aphorisms if removed whole from their host poems.? ??Everybody, not just poets, has these little moments of epiphany where you have a bit of a deeper understanding of the universe,? Murray said??These aphorisms try to go straight for the moment of epiphany with the fewest words possible. ? It doesn?t have the inaccessibility of a lot of contemporary poetry.? ?So we get poetic thoughts, minus the poems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 08:15:18 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:15:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Europeana eNews: Public Domain Mark, Reading Europe and More... In-Reply-To: <1f2022e18948b1cd01580d3cc882fe55.1403149@e2ma.net> References: <1f2022e18948b1cd01580d3cc882fe55.1403149@e2ma.net> Message-ID: If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online . Share This: [image: Visit the Europeana website] [image: Borys Omelayenko - Senior Developer] Dear Reader, welcome to the November newsletter. Europeana eNews is published 6 times a year. It brings you stories about Europe's cultural and scientific heritage as well as updates on the organisations and technical developments that build and enhance the Europeana.eu portal. Exploration and Discovery on Europeana [image: Exploration and Discovery on Europeana] <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article1> [W]e are getting weaker, of course, and the end cannot be far. It seems a pity but I do not think I can write more. For God's sake look after our people. Signed by Robert Falcon Scott, this was the last diary entry of the famous British explorer, who led the expedition to the South Pole one hundred years ago. Read More...<#12c3afca2f0e487d_article1> Reading Europe: 1,000 Books Online eLearning Awards 2010 News Agencies Open Photo Archives [image: Reading Europe: 1,000 Books Online]<#12c3afca2f0e487d_article2> [image: eLearning Awards 2010] <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article3> [image: News Agencies Open Photo Archives] <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article4> Early editions of literary masterpieces, 18th century bestsellers and a 250-year-old travel guide are among the nearly 1,000 books available to explore in the new Reading Europe exhibition. Browse through the exhibition created by The European Library, and visit Europeana to discover more items related to each book. Read More... <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article2> Leonardo da Vinci, William Shakespeare, Rembrandt van Rijn. They are all people who - in different times, places and ways - made history. They are also the ones, along with a range of other key historical figures, that Irish school students have blogged about winning a Europeana-sponsored eLearning Award for excellent use of technology in education. Read More... <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article3> >From film premiers to presidential visits, news agency photographers have witnessed and recorded a vast number of key moments in Europe's modern history. Much of their work is locked away in news agency archives but a new project is now beginning a quest to make more of these images accessible to the public via Europeana. Read More... <#12c3afca2f0e487d_article4> Exploration and Discovery on Europeana [image: Scott's last expedition, Courtesy of BHL Europe] Scott's last expedition, Courtesy of BHL Europe. [image: Blanche-Neige revient, Courtesy of Institut National Audiovisuel.] Blanche-Neige revient, Courtesy of Institut National Audiovisuel. Available on Europeana, Robert Falcon Scott's published journalsunfold the tragic story of the Terra Nova Expedition, officially known as the British Antarctic Expedition 1910. Scott's journey to the South Pole was to advance knowledge and lead to a major scientific breakthrough. Unfortunately, Scott and his crew made it to the Pole to discover that they were beaten by 33 days by a Norwegian rival, Roald Amundsen, and to meet their desolate death. The account of Roald Amundsenabout his voyage to the South Pole can be also found on Europeana. It tells us a different side of the story: glorious, adventurous and triumphant. Both of these works are in the public domain - the out-of-copyright information that people can freely use without restriction. Soon public domain works will carry a distinctive mark, which enables material not bound with known copyright restrictions to be labelled in a way that clearly communicates that status. The Public Domain Mark, which was developed by Creative Commons, a non-profit organisation that promotes creative re-use of intellectual and artistic works, will be attributed to millions of public domain items available on Europeana. This will make finding public domain works easier on Europeana as well as on the Internet in general. In the near future, when you search Europeana for records of other famous explorers, maps and photographs of their legendary quests, or anything else from Europeana's vast collections, you will be able to search within public domain content only. The Public Domain Mark was launched this October at an annual Europeana conference in Amsterdam. Together with the Usage Guide for Public Domain Worksthat helps users of cultural and scientific content use public domain material responsibly, the Mark will play a crucial role in making public domain works more readily accessible online. A healthy and thriving public domain has always been a vital source for innovation and cultural works, as people reinterpret and experiment with ideas, and find inspiration for new creative work. Without this prolific process, for example, we wouldn't have known Disney's classic Snow Whitebased on the Brothers Grimm's fairytaleor enjoyed Verdi's renowned opera Otelloinspired by Shakespeare's play. This is why support for the public domain is a fundamental part of Europeana's principle of sharing cultural and scientific heritage and stimulating contemporary reworking of it. ^ ^ ^ Return to top ^ ^ ^<#12c3afca2f0e487d_top> [image: Visit Europeana's Art Nouveau Virtual Exhibition] Reading Europe: 1,000 Books Online [image: El ingenioso hidalgo don Quixote de la Mancha, Courtesy of National Library of Spain] El ingenioso hidalgo don Quixote de la Mancha, Courtesy of National Library of Spain. [image: Little Orphan Mary and the Gnomes, Courtesy of Biblioteka Narodowa, The National Library of Poland.] Little Orphan Mary and the Gnomes, Courtesy of Biblioteka Narodowa, The National Library of Poland. Early editions of literary masterpieces, English bestsellers from the 18th century and a 1755 travel guide to Kamchatkain eastern Russia are just a few of the nearly 1,000 books available to explore in the new online exhibition Reading Europe: European Culture Through The Book. Created by The European Library and supported by Europeana, Reading Europe includes works in 31 languages from Bulgarian to Yiddish. It features some of Europe's most celebrated books, such as Dostoyevsky's The Idiotin its original Russian form and Prisoner of Chillonby Lord Byron. These books are notable because of their age and reputation, but also because they sometimes include printing errors and mistakes that were corrected in later editions. This was the case with the first Spanish edition of Don Quixote : "It was carelessly done - typographic, punctuation and foliation errors abound. Accents are missing and, what is worse, parts of the original, such as the passage in which Sancho Panza's donkey is stolen, were not included," explains Jos? Luis Bueren from the National Library of Spain's Department of Digital Library. Reading Europe features more obscure titles as well as famous manuscripts. Jammers Mindeis one of those hidden treasures. This fascinating 17th century autobiography of a king's daughter and her 22-year imprisonment in Copenhagen's infamous Blue Tower is a literary classic in Denmark, but almost unknown in the rest of Europe. Curatorial information is included alongside each book in the Reading Europe exhibition. You can learn even more about the books by viewing them in context on Europeana, and comparing them with other material associated with each work. For example: - Compare Don Quixotewith engravings of scenesfrom the book and musical compositionsinspired by the writing of Cervantes. - See the manuscripts from Leonardo Da Vincialongside his paintingsand sketches . - Read about Swiss folk hero William Tell, while listening to musicinspired by the story. - Explore the works of English author Edward Bulwer-Lyttonand then read his letters and other books. [image: Der Struwwelpeter oder lustige Geschichten und drollige Bilder f?r Kinder von 3 - 6 Jahren, Courtesy of German National Library] [image: Georgian book, Courtesy of The National Parliamentary Library of Georgia] [image: Book, 1796, Courtesy of St. Cyril and St. Methodius National Library] [image: Graduale Romanum, Courtesy of National Library of Spain] [image: Georgian Book, Courtesy of The National Parliamentary Library of Georgia] [image: Russian book] [image: Tan?r ?r k?rem, Courtesy of National Sz?ch?nyi] [image: Le Corbeau, Courtesy of National Library of France] [image: K?ik tuultesse, Courtesy of National Library of Estonia] ^ ^ ^ Return to top ^ ^ ^ <#12c3afca2f0e487d_top> eLearning Awards 2010 [image: Bildnis Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Courtesy of ?sterreichische Nationalbibliothek Austria] Bildnis Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Courtesy of ?sterreichische Nationalbibliothek Austria [image: The Venice Portrait of Shakespeare, Courtesy of VADS] The Venice Portrait of Shakespeare, Courtesy of VADS. Leonardo da Vinci, Christopher Columbus, William Shakespeare, Rembrandt van Rijn. They are all people who - in different times, places and ways - made history. They are also the ones, along with a range of other key historical figures, that Irish school students have blogged about in a project called History Matterswhich won a Europeana-sponsored eLearning Awardfor excellent use of technology in education. The students from Pormarnock Community Schoolfirst learned some basics about representing their findings online. They then searched for a diverse and high quality range of text, images and videos on historical figures they had studied. Finally, the students created blogs with a number of posts and responded to each other's material. Donal O'Mahony, the teacher who developed the History Matters project, described Europeana as a valuable learning resource, for educators and students. "Europeana offers teachers and students the opportunity to source quality digital learning objects that will enhance teaching and learning," he pointed out. "These resources will increase the confidence of the teaching profession in using online material and allow students to represent their knowledge in a format that is meaningful to them within the context of what is required in the 21st century." He added that the History Matters project was not just about studying the past. "It's also about teaching digital responsibility and improving digital literacy. One of the key aspects in this regard is being attentive to the quality of online material, some of which has dubious provenance." The other winner in the Europeana-sponsored category was from Spain. Teacher Marcos Vence Ruibal helped his class to develop a comic book, Pek the traveller flea . Both projects were chosen as winners in the Europe's Digital Heritage category because it was felt they helped to develop and promote digital literacy among young people. Other criteria included the use of digital cultural content, the promotion of a European dimension and the potential of the project for use in collaborative work. The eLearning contest attracted 573 entries from 39 countries, and was run by European Schoolnet, a network of 31 Ministries of Education in Europe. The main goal of the competition is to acknowledge and share innovative ways of teaching and learning based on new technologies. It helps teachers to have their ideas and technical skills recognized. At the same time, it shows a wider audience how information and communication technologies can improve their methodology, enrich work in the classroom and positively impact on children's learning. ^ ^ ^ Return to top ^ ^ ^<#12c3afca2f0e487d_top> News Agencies Open Photo Archives [image: John Fitzgerald Kennedy in a restaurant in Rome, 1949, Courtesy of EURO-Photo] John Fitzgerald Kennedy in a restaurant in Rome, 1949, Courtesy of EURO-Photo. [image: Sophia Loren, 1956, Courtesy of EURO-Photo] Sophia Loren, 1956, Courtesy of EURO-Photo. From film premiers to presidential visits, news agency photographers have witnessed and recorded a vast number of key moments in Europe's modern history. The result of their work is literally millions of photos, glass plates, negatives and slides that cover a broad range of subjects. Major domestic and political events, celebrity visits, snapshots of daily life, cultural and sporting events are just some of the highlights captured by photographers over the decades. Despite the broad and interesting subject matter of these pictures, most are inaccessible to the general public because they are locked away in journalistic archives. That will change over the coming months, however, when the EURO-Photoproject begins contributing images to Europeana. It plans to add 1 million photographs to Europeana, including the digitisation of 150,000 pictures currently in analogue form, between now and 2012. The images will come from 10 leading European news agencies in the countries of Germany, Portugal, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Poland. EURO-Photo's work is important for two key reasons. 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It comes so close you can see its markings, the luminous wings, and then as you extend a hand it?s gone ? hidden among other flickering objects of consciousness. There?s a pleasure in this approximation, I suppose, and even in the failure to apprehend. I don?t mind the obscurity of Eliot?s verse. (What good, after all, is an insect pinned on velvet, gorgeous but dead?) Although a critic on the back cover calls it a ?literary detective story,? the story of archivist Matthias, his relationship to a wife he has to commit to a mental institution, and his safeguarding of a collection of not-yet-public Eliot letters is more a poetic love story. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With more than 320,000 hits, Samuel's is by far the more popular. Samuel was 3 when he recited the poem and became a YouTube sensation. Collins was one of the people who saw the video, and over the weekend, he met the precocious performer at the University of Arizona Poetry Center. No one knew quite what to expect when the center invited Collins to meet the now-4-year-old boy and his parents... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Nov 11 12:29:31 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:29:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] the poet and the kid In-Reply-To: <8CD4FD3D2A1EE52-C68-B95A@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4FD3D2A1EE52-C68-B95A@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OK, as the sentimental fool of this list, I love this story. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM, wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131192480 > > If you Google former U.S. Poet Laureate Billy Collins and his poem > "Litany," you'll see two YouTube videos: one of Collins reading the poem and > another of Samuel Chelpka reciting it by heart. With more than 320,000 hits, > Samuel's is by far the more popular. > > Samuel was 3 when he recited the poem and became a YouTube sensation. > Collins was one of the people who saw the video, and over the weekend, he > met the precocious performer at the University of Arizona Poetry Center. > > No one knew quite what to expect when the center invited Collins to meet > the now-4-year-old boy and his parents... > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will this go through? > > Tad Richards > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 13:15:13 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Women not worth $100,000? Message-ID: <368163.78109.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Women worth $100,000 at Academy of American Poets? Answer here - http://vidaweb.org/academy-of-american-poets-overview-of-academy-awards-between-1995-2010 Previous questions a la 2010 Publishers Weekly here - http://vidaweb.org/publishers-weekly-kirkus-review Hopefully, Amy p.s. Interviews coming up with Anne Waldman and Blanche Wiesen Cook ... ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** From by.tjmst at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 23:31:18 2010 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:31:18 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] New-Poetry Digest, Vol 4, Issue 21 -opinion bounty from GBEMI TIJANI MST aka by.tjmst-poetry could be so compulsive... Message-ID: i didnt find it easy to read and quit just like that Jfor James resplendent review of Marthias COOLEY 'S archives book--describing poetry as an infrequent,involuntary and intense.This should be ubiquitously true of a typical mind 's encounter with poetry doing and the emotionally unresolved hassles of not doing it! As Nobel Laureate ,Wole Soyinka said years back in an intro to one of his anthologies -particularly POEMS OF BLACK AFRICA.He commented on poems of indictment as if circumstances that actually provoked him seized him y the scruff of the neck not just triumph in permitting the viviparous creation of the poem.Do you think any poet or writer -writer or even writer of poems as Rober Graves defined would be alloof when a wonderful or otherwise scenario fuels a writing or meditation or lamentation.Ditto i also opine that any poet whose wernicles and brocas areas are intact would not watch and exclaimed WAO! -- when one of Wole Soyinka's compatriots - a well-known woman activist,the late FUNMILAYO RANSOME KUTI -the afro beat king 's mother ordered Egba women to match naked if the traditional OBA 's palace if the latter did not resign from his throne or behave congruous on an issue.Very recently 93.5 reflected this episode of naked match as a protest led by Fela 's mother herself.We were told The owerful king fled the palace when he heard that the woman has ordered them out and they bwere on the way to his comfort haven on earth.Why did the king flee away?Besides the oddity of seeing such mother of mothers purpose protest to a revered ruler it's abominable for a king to witness such a scene.How inert will any poet or writer of morals ,conscience or ethical watch stabilise such experience on any canvass or tissue paper as WOLE SOYINKA himself did a manuscript in the prison that became THE MAN DIED.in 1994? i m also interested in the healing barometer of wrijting -especially unplanned musings that can done even if a writer has no glycogen in his biochemical pathways prior to the fueling matter or MIND OVER MATTER as ISAAC ASIMOV had written. -GBEMI TIJANI MST,12112010AM On 11/11/10, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 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(jforjames at aol.com) > 3. review of The Archivist by Martha Cooley (jforjames at aol.com) > 4. lulu coupon code (Catherine Daly) > 5. the poet and the kid (jforjames at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:02:09 -0500 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] LitMag Watch: la petite zine > Message-ID: <8CD4FC88C50BC49-1614-B91D at webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.lapetitezine.org/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:19:44 -0500 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] List Sizes? > Message-ID: <8CD4FCB0133C93B-1614-BD1E at webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Poetics List info page says it has 1500 subscribers. > > Anyone know approximately how many subcribers, these other poetry lists > have? > > WOMPO > > POETRYETC > > BRITISH-IRISH-POETS > > NewPoetry is a relatively small list, approx. 200 subscribers. (We happy > few.) > > Finnegan > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:03:53 -0500 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] review of The Archivist by Martha Cooley > Message-ID: <8CD4FD12BDC1B8B-C68-B3F2 at webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > http://www.themillions.com/2010/11/poetic-notions-martha-cooleys-the-archivist.html > > A friend once characterized his relationship with poetry as infrequent, > intense, and somewhat involuntary; my relationship is the same. Its > ignition is unexpected and, once commenced, frenetic ? like the way my dog > runs at top speed in tiny circles when I sometimes manage to sneak up on him > and poke him in his haunches. This ignition occurs at odd moments: I might > be sitting in an office or standing at a party, when I am seized with this > need for words in sentences that I don?t have to analyze or fully > understand. Cooley describes this feeling better: > > For me, reading Eliot?s work is like trying to intercept a butterfly. It > comes so close you can see its markings, the luminous wings, and then as you > extend a hand it?s gone ? hidden among other flickering objects of > consciousness. There?s a pleasure in this approximation, I suppose, and > even in the failure to apprehend. I don?t mind the obscurity of Eliot?s > verse. (What good, after all, is an insect pinned on velvet, gorgeous but > dead?) > > Although a critic on the back cover calls it a ?literary detective story,? > the story of archivist Matthias, his relationship to a wife he has to commit > to a mental institution, and his safeguarding of a collection of > not-yet-public Eliot letters is more a poetic love story. > = > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:13:55 -0800 > From: Catherine Daly > To: pussipo , "NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry News &, Views" , Poetryetc > provides a venue for a dialogue relating poetry and poetics > , "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > > Subject: [New-Poetry] lulu coupon code > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > today only, vetsday305 coupon code at lulu gets you 20% off your order, up > to $100 > > so you can buy everyone's lulu books! including mine, Paper Craft > > All best, > Catherine Daly > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:22:51 -0500 > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [New-Poetry] the poet and the kid > Message-ID: <8CD4FD3D2A1EE52-C68-B95A at webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131192480 > > If you Google former U.S. Poet Laureate Billy Collins and his poem "Litany," > you'll see two YouTube videos: one of Collins reading the poem and another > of Samuel Chelpka reciting it by heart. With more than 320,000 hits, > Samuel's is by far the more popular. > > Samuel was 3 when he recited the poem and became a YouTube sensation. > Collins was one of the people who saw the video, and over the weekend, he > met the precocious performer at the University of Arizona Poetry Center. > > No one knew quite what to expect when the center invited Collins to meet the > now-4-year-old boy and his parents... > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 4, Issue 21 > ***************************************** > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 03:16:19 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:16:19 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lars Palm Message-ID: Lars Palm's new e-book is now online: http://www.differentiapress.com/2010/11/for-good-behavior.html * (witch trial & (t)error)* trees spawning dark matter don't matter much anymore. any more moorings to cast off? are we talking about a revolution? something about the number of them per minute. the hour stretches into seconds. served by deadpan cops along with the summons & the rubber bullets. shedding your mortal coil. coining another phrase for excavating any number of cavities. caving in through the door. before. & after climbing that tree About for *good behaviour* in *for good behaviour* i have collected a handful of prose poems. what i'm after in doing so is, maybe, to play with the borders of the form. where does it turn into essay, narrative prose, nonsense? *lars palm* Encomiums for *for good behaviour* These are wonderful parenthetical novellas. Within "a snap of ... fingers," these inquisitions -- ranging over Pinocchio to addressing cats to white colonialism in Zimbabwe -- provide a welcome "kick in the head". *Eileen Tabios* *Le Roi est nu!* The King is naked. Radical ingenuity is what Lars Palm requires from his readers. In non/sensical alliterations he leads you through colorful associations, the ends of which join in an un/perfect circle, clean and transparent. And we are here because we have wanted to since long. *Anny Ballardini* These prose poems find lars palm putting together jigsaw puzzles from the pieces of history. He makes them fit by including not just history but a sense of drama, playing, and play. Dedications give the pieces scotch tape so that they may be affixed to our consciousness. Linguistic nuances make history sound like pieces of sharp, avant jazz, an analogue to Ornette Coleman except with their own rhythmic systems. It's a system to get lost in, and an extended song no one is likely to forget. *Adam Fieled* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On my site: http://www.billdunlap.com/painting/view_2010/viewA10_49.html On My Love for You... (an art blog) where I wrote a bit more about the idea behind this project: http://bit.ly/bQdLAJ Thanks! / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:33:00 2010 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:33:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] brevity is the soul of it In-Reply-To: <8CD51763DE0EFF4-1D20-6556@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD51763DE0EFF4-1D20-6556@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "There was a pig. It died." Told by Severn Darden to Barbara Harris (Second City, c. 1962) SD was a grandfather being pestered for a story by his granddaughter. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM, wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/2010/11/12/131276783/-hint-fiction-celebrates-the-extremely-short-story > > Can you tell a whole story in 25 words or fewer? Inspired by the six-word > novel attributed to Ernest Hemingway ? "For sale: baby shoes, never worn" ? > Robert Swartwood has compiled a new anthology of bite-sized fiction. > > The stories in Hint Fiction are short enough to be text messages, but the > genre isn't defined only by its length... > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:52:58 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:52:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Barn Murals and Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CD517CB2CB9983-1AFC-FC1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD517968A91B10-1D20-6987@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> <8CD517CB2CB9983-1AFC-FC1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't do those horrible monsters on barns. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM, wrote: > > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:02:06 -0800 > From: Bill Dunlap > Subject: Barn Murals and Poetry > > Hello, > > I recently finished the first in a series of murals on barns across > Maryland. > Each mural will be a text and image piece featuring poetry. The project is > organized by the University of Maryland Art Gallery in College Park, and is > > called "Poetic Aesthetic in Rural Maryland". For the first barn I used the > poem > "Lost" by David Wagoner. > > If anyone can offer suggestions for poems about nature (specific poems, > anthologies, web sites) I'd appreciate it. Some images of the first barn > are at > the following links. > > On my site: > http://www.billdunlap.com/painting/view_2010/viewA10_49.html > > On My Love for You... (an art blog) where I wrote a bit more about the idea > > behind this project: > http://bit.ly/bQdLAJ > > > Thanks! > > / > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone can offer suggestions for poems about nature (specific poems, anthologies, web sites) I'd appreciate it. Some images of the first barn are at the following links. On my site: http://www.billdunlap.com/painting/view_2010/viewA10_49.html On My Love for You... (an art blog) where I wrote a bit more about the idea behind this project: http://bit.ly/bQdLAJ Thanks! / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ccooley at overdomain.com Sat Nov 13 21:13:35 2010 From: ccooley at overdomain.com (Crisman Cooley) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:13:35 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] My first publication Message-ID: Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears in Fall 2010 Ezra Translations http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the Exeter Book. Please let me know if you like it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears in Fall 2010 > Ezra Translations http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html > It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the > Exeter Book. 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Yes I do love those mumbly grumbly old Saxons. > > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:06:31 -0800 (PST) > From: Alexander Dickow Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] My first publication > > I do like it, Cris. Gotta dig those old Saxon poems. > Amicalement, > Alex > ? > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Crisman Cooley > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:13:35 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] My first publication > > Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears ?in Fall 2010 > Ezra > Translations?http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html? > > It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the > Exeter > Book. 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Yes I do love those mumbly grumbly old Saxons. > > >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:06:31 -0800 (PST) >> From: Alexander Dickow > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] My first publication > >> >> I do like it, Cris. Gotta dig those old Saxon poems. >> Amicalement, >> Alex >> ? >> www.alexdickow.net/blog/ >> >> les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin >> >> merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Crisman Cooley >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:13:35 AM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] My first publication >> >> Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears ?in Fall 2010 >> Ezra >> Translations?http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html? >> >> It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the >> Exeter >> Book. 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Please let me know if you like it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 16:00:05 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:00:05 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] My first publication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, Cris, a great work, I also have some on Ezra, you will have to back a couple of issues. Care, Anny On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:55 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > "wine-wassailed and proud" you should be. Congratulations. > > - Jim > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > >> Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears in Fall 2010 >> Ezra Translations http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html >> It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the >> Exeter Book. Please let me know if you like it. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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'Saxon and Celt and Dane'--isn't that how it goes? http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/31/reviews/borges-theroux.html -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] My first publication Yes, Cris, a great work, I also have some on Ezra, you will have to back a couple of issues. Care, Anny On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:55 PM, James Cervantes wrote: "wine-wassailed and proud" you should be. Congratulations. - Jim On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: Wanted y'all to know: I published my first piece, it appears in Fall 2010 Ezra Translations http://www.ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html It is a translation of the Anglo Saxon poem The Ruin originally in the Exeter Book. Please let me know if you like it. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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Check him out he has a great web site too, for the curious: www.hamanworld.com The poet doesn't invent. He listens. Jean Cocteau ________________________________ Donna Pecore ________________________________ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "francois at imaginet.co.za" To: donnapecore at yahoo.com Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 2:02:13 PM Subject: HA!MAN SPECIAL NOTE NYC Event Sun 21 Nov 2010 HA!Man Creative Enterprises events - workshops - creative projects Francois le Roux (the HA!Man) mobile +27 (0)83 558 7380 fax +27 (0)866167317 Suite 15, Private Bag X9, Melville, 2109, South Africa email francois at hamanworld.com web site www.hamanworld.com Dear HA!News subscribers all over North America Forgive me for splashing this out to you all, but i know that many of you have friends and connections in New York City. I perform there next Sunday evening (details below). If it grabs you, please forward this information to those interested. This is my first performance there in a good number of years. The little network i had there has floundered as people over there are quite mobile. I have rented a small space on Broadway and would like to start building an audience again, even if with only a handful of people. Entry is free, donations afterwards. I thank you for your consideration! Francois ________________________________ for the MEDIA: bio. reviews& morepress photosto download ________________________________ watch VIDEO - get a taste 1min/8mins LISTEN to HA!Man music Jukebox listening ________________________________ audience RESPONSE: From heart to heart. Loved it all, want to hear, experience more - amazing journey, rich variety of music! - Irina Taekema, Amsterdam (read more below, or go here) ________________________________ Event Details / Press release / More feedback, programme samples Event Details HA!Man Show the Manhattan preview Sun 21 Nov 2010 7-8.30pm Thalia Studio, Symphony Space Broadway & W 95th St New York, NY 10025 donate afterwards South African spontaneous and creative cellist, the HA!Man (Francois le Roux), pushes musical boundaries in an inspirational and spell bounding way, employing a brilliant array of styles and means of expression (cello, keyboard, original electronic accompaniments, dancing, voice and whistling). Operating independently, he travels extensively and has gathered an excited following the world over. Bookings Limited space, so let me know how many of you are coming: reply to francois at imaginet.co.za or sms +27835587380 print as flyer or click hereto download 2meg poster for regular news and updates,SUBSCRIBE TO HA!NEWS Press Release Francois le Roux, a.k.a. the HA!Man enchants and astonish audiences the world over with his cello, original electronic accompaniments, keyboard, voice and dances. His music reflects his Southern African roots and his spontaneous approach challenges conventional ideas in both the serious and commercial music environment. He has created numerous soundtracks for plays, films and poetry performances and his talents brought him distinguished appointments such as music direction for the South African National Woman of the Year Gala (2001, 2002) and the 2004 "Ukkasie" Festival's Royal Albert Hall event in London. Touted as one of South Africa's top musical talents and a groundbreaking cellist/music creator, he operates independently, traveling about 80 000 km a year by car. He coined the term HA! to express the spirited way in which he conducts his performances. A formal background gave way to a career starting with spontaneous cello street performing, followed by an experimental stint of four years, backpacking through South Africa and exploring various other forms of expression. He is currently managing a full schedule of performances, workshops and creative projects, keeping in touch with an extensive database of contacts through his newsletters and web site (www.hamanworld.com). His profile in South Africa has recently been lifted by major articles in both the Rapport and Sunday Times (biggest weekly papers) and a television profile broadcast on Kyknet's popular arts programme "Kwela." Veteran critic Colin Lang summed up the HA!Man experience as such: "Overall, the very fresh sound of original melodic invention and pulsing rhythms is utterly absorbing, as is his attractive and expressive body language and voice. His personality comes across as one that is profoundly thoughtful, musically lucid and thorough and showing sustained love of all creativity." Visit www.hamanworld.com for more. morepress releases . More.. Feedback ? Intrigerende muzikant. Eerlijk gezegd nog nooit van gehoord, maar hij lijkt mij een geniaal iemand. Ter vergelijken met Frank Marino, ofwel de beste gitarist ter wereld.. (Anonymous, Facebook) ? I'l n'y a pas de mots pour le dire. Merci pour votre generosite. (Jean Pierre Leduc, Montreal) ? Diepste harteroerseten.. ik vroeg me af hoe muziek in de hemel zal zijn! (Jonneke Oskam, Renswoude) ? Wow! You are by far the most incredible performer I have ever seen. (Alicia Roldan, Princeton) ? I found much about the moods in his music that was fit for Australia?s big festivals; eclectic, irreverent yet not insensitive, pensive yet not ponderous, expansive, intimate and whimsical. (Michael Shaskey, Sydney) ? Francois Le Roux should be declared a National Treasure of South Africa like they do for revered craftspeople in Japan. (Greg Pastoll, Cape Town) ? Almal is dit eens: jy is die merkwaardigste talent wat nog ooit by ons feeste opgetree het! Dit was fantasties (Koos Kruger, Kolligfees, 2007). Programme Samples ? solo cello improvisation with voice and whistling ? cello with original electronic backings, drawing from an extensive library ("Relentless," "First Love," "Breast Breathe," "Global Warming," "East to Africa," "Salsa" and many more) ? extracts from soundtracks, for example ?Foot Fantasia,? "Moving Chicago," "Gumbo" and "10 Green Bottles" (about creativitywith waste) ? dancing with pieces like "Grand Africa" and "Celebration of Everything" ? inviting an audience member or more to spontaneously play/dance with the HA!Man, or to give themes for improvisation ? Video-and-music, like ?Brooding Sarah,? ?the day I got my body back? and ?the Owl House? ? action painting ? spontaneous poem-writing and graphics (projected) ? songs like "Her Time Has Come," ?Child of the World,? ?Afrikaner is my Naam? and.. well.. just made that one up! www.hamanworld.com ________________________________ Unsubscribe / Change Profile Powered by YMLP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 15 14:30:41 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:30:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] long flight for light verse Message-ID: <8CD5312B9645071-21C4-CE1@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> Poet treks 9,000 miles to read for two minutes Nov 15 2010 by Tony Henderson, The Journal WRITER Julie Kane is jetting over 9,000 miles ? just to read a 16-line poem on Tyneside. One of Julie?s poems is featured in a new book of humorous verse by Tyneside-based IRON Press, http://www.ironpress.co.uk/ which will be launched at Newcastle?s Hyena Comedy Cafe tonight. Julie, who lives in Natchitoches in Louisiana in the United States, will be one of 30 poets who tonight will be reading their works which appear in the book. Read More http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2010/11/15/poet-treks-9-000-miles-to-read-for-two-minutes-61634-27658942/#ixzz15Ngkttbj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 14:43:32 2010 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:43:32 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] long flight for light verse In-Reply-To: <8CD5312B9645071-21C4-CE1@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5312B9645071-21C4-CE1@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've seen people drive over two hours for five minutes of open mike before, but 9,000 miles!!!! A slightly sad wonderment, perhpas, turns to admiration at a certain point. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM, wrote: > Poet treks 9,000 miles to read for two minutes > Nov 15 2010 by Tony Henderson, The Journal > > WRITER Julie Kane is jetting over 9,000 miles ? just to read a 16-line poem > on Tyneside. > > One of Julie?s poems is featured in a new book of humorous verse by > Tyneside-based IRON Press, > > http://www.ironpress.co.uk/ > which will be launched at Newcastle?s Hyena Comedy Cafe tonight. > > Julie, who lives in Natchitoches in Louisiana in the United States, will be > one of 30 poets who tonight will be reading their works which appear in the > book. > > Read More > http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2010/11/15/poet-treks-9-000-miles-to-read-for-two-minutes-61634-27658942/#ixzz15Ngkttbj > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 15 15:01:18 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:01:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute Message-ID: A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. Kelly titled "Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly the worst song lyrics ever. I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song from the 70s, "(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction of receiving both the "Keep Her in Her Place" award from the National Organization of Women AND garnering its author the "Male Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as author of the worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst lyrics? For purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm interested only in the words, not any musical horrors. . . . Meanwhile, you may compare: "Pregnant" Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Lay your body down and get you pregnant, Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up [R. KELLY] Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, Never felt nothing like this, Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, Now put that girl in my kitchen, [CHORUS:] Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, That's what I told her, Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Lay your body down and get you pregnant, Like you are, Knock you up, pregnant, [TYRESE] All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, Tell me what your name is, I can make you famous, We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, I just wanna put some in you, And I can tell that you want it too, And I'm ready babe, And your ready babe, So let's go get out of this club, Kel's and Rys after party, You can fuck with us, [CHORUS] [ROBIN THICKE] Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby So tell me that you want me baby baby And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) And girl I promise I will make you mine Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love If you chose me I?ll guarantee That the rest of your life would be man drama free Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring And plant this magic seed [CHORUS] [THE-DREAM] Your house my house don?t matter hit it up Your city my city don?t matter give it up Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby You can play all you want but I know you feel it to For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms In New York meeting with the realtor There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it Oh girl imma take care of you And Imma still hold ya like we brand new So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it [CHORUS] [R. KELLY] Take you out to eat uh uh Wine and dine uh uh Shoppin spree uh uh You sexing me ah ha See I?m not cheap Or selfish babe Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby And it?s all your fault baby you look so good It?s all your fault that it feels like wool And you look so board up in this club so let?s go We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden [CHORUS] --R. Kelly ==================== (You're) Having My Baby Having my baby, What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, Having my baby, What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me I can see it, your face is glowing, I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it That your , Having my baby, Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, Having my baby, You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, The need inside you, I see it showing, Oh the seed inside you, Baby do you feel it growing, Are you happy you know it, That your having my Baby, I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, Having My Baby, I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, You could of swept it from your live, but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. And your having my baby, I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, Having My Baby. I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, Having My Baby (Having My Baby) What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, Having My Baby, I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, Having My Baby --Paul Anka -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 15:13:46 2010 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:13:46 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe this-- "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo (I Don't Want to Leave the Congo)" Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/home *Mainly Black , **Obras P?blicas ; **The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets ;* *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones ; **Tango Bouquet ; **Theory of Harmony ; * ***Rapsodie espagnole ; **Guide to the Tokyo Subway ; **The Sonnet Project ; * ***G(e)nome ; **Winter Journey ; **Eclipse ; **The Dance of the Red Swan ; * *Transparencies & Projections * On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM, David Graham wrote: > A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. Kelly > titled "Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly the worst song > lyrics ever. > > I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song from the > 70s, "(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction of receiving both > the "Keep Her in Her Place" award from the National Organization of Women > AND garnering its author the "Male Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. > > But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as author of > the worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. > > I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst lyrics? > For purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm interested only in > the words, not any musical horrors. . . . > > Meanwhile, you may compare: > > "Pregnant" > > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up > > [R. KELLY] > Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, > And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, > See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, > To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, > Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, > Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, > I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, > And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, > Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, > But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, > Never felt nothing like this, > Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, > Now put that girl in my kitchen, > > [CHORUS:] > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > That's what I told her, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Like you are, > Knock you up, pregnant, > > [TYRESE] > All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, > How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, > Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, > I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, > Tell me what your name is, > I can make you famous, > We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, > Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, > I just wanna put some in you, > And I can tell that you want it too, > And I'm ready babe, > And your ready babe, > So let's go get out of this club, > Kel's and Rys after party, > You can fuck with us, > > [CHORUS] > > [ROBIN THICKE] > Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby > So tell me that you want me baby baby > And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) > And girl I promise I will make you mine > Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and > I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid > Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us > Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love > If you chose me I?ll guarantee > That the rest of your life would be man drama free > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b > And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring > And plant this magic seed > > [CHORUS] > > [THE-DREAM] > Your house my house don?t matter hit it up > Your city my city don?t matter give it up > Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby > Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby > You can play all you want but I know you feel it to > For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms > In New York meeting with the realtor > There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it > Oh girl imma take care of you > And Imma still hold ya like we brand new > So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks > I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it > > [CHORUS] > > [R. KELLY] > Take you out to eat uh uh > Wine and dine uh uh > Shoppin spree uh uh > You sexing me ah ha > See I?m not cheap > Or selfish babe > Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby > And it?s all your fault baby you look so good > It?s all your fault that it feels like wool > And you look so board up in this club so let?s go > We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club > B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly > Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some > All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden > > [CHORUS] > --R. Kelly > ==================== > *(You're) Having My Baby > > * > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me > > I can see it, your face is glowing, > I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it > > That your , > Having my baby, > Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, > Having my baby, > You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, > > The need inside you, I see it showing, > Oh the seed inside you, > Baby do you feel it growing, > Are you happy you know it, > > That your having my Baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, > > Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, > You could of swept it from your live, > but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. > > And your having my baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby. > I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, > > Having My Baby (Having My Baby) > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, > Having My Baby > > --Paul Anka > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amicalement, Alex ? www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet ________________________________ From: Tony Trigilio To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 9:16:36 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute "Life is a Highway."? I rarely can get through a semester without making a crack about this one. T. -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute >From: David Graham >Date: Mon, November 15, 2010 2:01 pm >To: NewPoetry > >A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. Kelly titled >"Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly the worst song lyrics ever. > >I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song from the 70s, >"(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction of receiving both the "Keep >Her in Her Place" award from the National Organization of Women AND garnering >its author the "Male Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. > >But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as author of the >worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. > >I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst lyrics? ?For >purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm interested only in the >words, not any musical horrors. . . . > >Meanwhile, you may compare: > >"Pregnant" > >Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >Lay your body down and get you pregnant, >Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up > >[R. KELLY] >Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, >And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, >See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, >To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, >Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, >Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, >I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, >And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, >Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, >But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, >Never felt nothing like this, >Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, >Now put that girl in my kitchen, > >[CHORUS:] >Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >That's what I told her, >Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >Lay your body down and get you pregnant, >Like you are, >Knock you up, pregnant, > >[TYRESE] >All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, >How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, >Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, >I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, >Tell me what your name is, >I can make you famous, >We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, >Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, >I just wanna put some in you, >And I can tell that you want it too, >And I'm ready babe, >And your ready babe, >So let's go get out of this club, >Kel's and Rys after party, >You can fuck with us, > >[CHORUS] > >[ROBIN THICKE] >Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby >So tell me that you want me baby baby >And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) >And girl I promise I will make you mine >Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and >I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid >Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us >Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love >If you chose me I?ll guarantee >That the rest of your life would be man drama free >Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, >Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b >And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring >And plant this magic seed > >[CHORUS] > >[THE-DREAM] >Your house my house don?t matter hit it up >Your city my city don?t matter give it up >Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby >Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby >You can play all you want but I know you feel it to >For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms >In New York meeting with the realtor >There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it >Oh girl imma take care of you >And Imma still hold ya like we brand new >So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks >I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it > >[CHORUS] > >[R. KELLY] >Take you out to eat uh uh >Wine and dine uh uh >Shoppin spree uh uh >You sexing me ah ha >See I?m not cheap >Or selfish babe >Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby >And it?s all your fault baby you look so good >It?s all your fault that it feels like wool >And you look so board up in this club so let?s go >We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club >B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly >Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some >All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden > >[CHORUS] >--R. Kelly >==================== >(You're) Having My Baby >? > >Having my baby, >What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, >Having my baby, >What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me >? >I can see it, your face is glowing, >I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it >? >That your , >Having my baby, >Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, >Having my baby, >You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, >? >The need inside you, I see it showing, >Oh the seed inside you, >Baby do you feel it growing, >Are you happy you know it, >? >That your having my Baby, >I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, >Having My Baby, >I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, >? >Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, >You could of swept it from your live, >but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. >? >And your having my baby, >I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, >Having My Baby. >I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, >? >Having My Baby (Having My Baby) >What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, >? >Having My Baby, >I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, >Having My Baby > >--Paul Anka > > >-- > > >==================================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >==================================================== > > > ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 15:49:06 2010 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:49:06 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: <260856.7675.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20101115131636.870ee2c6f4cdb7a25c6769c3e9ddf335.75a75abf4f.wbe@email06.secureserver.net> <260856.7675.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Drips" by Eminem is about "catching a case of the clap," as they used to say, and is not very respectful of women "carriers." (Although it is so energetically done, it sounds like holy music to *my* ear). On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > I vote for that "My milkshake is better than yours" song. Ick. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tony Trigilio > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 9:16:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute > > "Life is a Highway." I rarely can get through a semester without making a > crack about this one. > > T. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute > From: David Graham > Date: Mon, November 15, 2010 2:01 pm > To: NewPoetry > > A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. Kelly > titled "Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly the worst song > lyrics ever. > > I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song from the > 70s, "(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction of receiving both > the "Keep Her in Her Place" award from the National Organization of Women > AND garnering its author the "Male Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. > > But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as author of > the worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. > > I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst lyrics? > For purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm interested only in > the words, not any musical horrors. . . . > > Meanwhile, you may compare: > > "Pregnant" > > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up > > [R. KELLY] > Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, > And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, > See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, > To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, > Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, > Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, > I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, > And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, > Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, > But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, > Never felt nothing like this, > Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, > Now put that girl in my kitchen, > > [CHORUS:] > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > That's what I told her, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Like you are, > Knock you up, pregnant, > > [TYRESE] > All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, > How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, > Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, > I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, > Tell me what your name is, > I can make you famous, > We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, > Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, > I just wanna put some in you, > And I can tell that you want it too, > And I'm ready babe, > And your ready babe, > So let's go get out of this club, > Kel's and Rys after party, > You can fuck with us, > > [CHORUS] > > [ROBIN THICKE] > Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby > So tell me that you want me baby baby > And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) > And girl I promise I will make you mine > Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and > I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid > Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us > Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love > If you chose me I?ll guarantee > That the rest of your life would be man drama free > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b > And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring > And plant this magic seed > > [CHORUS] > > [THE-DREAM] > Your house my house don?t matter hit it up > Your city my city don?t matter give it up > Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby > Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby > You can play all you want but I know you feel it to > For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms > In New York meeting with the realtor > There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it > Oh girl imma take care of you > And Imma still hold ya like we brand new > So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks > I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it > > [CHORUS] > > [R. KELLY] > Take you out to eat uh uh > Wine and dine uh uh > Shoppin spree uh uh > You sexing me ah ha > See I?m not cheap > Or selfish babe > Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby > And it?s all your fault baby you look so good > It?s all your fault that it feels like wool > And you look so board up in this club so let?s go > We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club > B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly > Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some > All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden > > [CHORUS] > --R. Kelly > ==================== > *(You're) Having My Baby > > * > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me > > I can see it, your face is glowing, > I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it > > That your , > Having my baby, > Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, > Having my baby, > You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, > > The need inside you, I see it showing, > Oh the seed inside you, > Baby do you feel it growing, > Are you happy you know it, > > That your having my Baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, > > Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, > You could of swept it from your live, > but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. > > And your having my baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby. > I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, > > Having My Baby (Having My Baby) > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, > Having My Baby > > --Paul Anka > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Mon Nov 15 16:02:42 2010 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:02:42 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: <260856.7675.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20101115131636.870ee2c6f4cdb7a25c6769c3e9ddf335.75a75abf4f.wbe@email06.secureserver.net> <260856.7675.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CE19FF2.6030803@louisiana.edu> Somehow I think this breaks naturally into two categories of awful: nasty sexual politics and nasty jingoists: who hasn't cringed (and had to cringe repeatedly, each time as if fresh and new) at Bessie Smith singing I'd rather that my man would hit me/ Than jump right up and quit me/ T'aint nobody's business if I do // I swear I won't call no copper / If I'm beat up by my poppa/ T'aint nobody's business if I do And of course, it's such a great song that both men and women have been covering it for decades, most of then cobbling together something to replace those two stanzas. As for the flagwavers, thank goodness that usually happens in genres I'm not passionate enough about to keep up with: but even "Okie from Muskogee" has its very creepy moments (or as, was it, Jerry Garcia?, said, "C'mon, Merle, lighten up." And I suspect there's plenty of I'm Prouder than You, Go Back to Afghanistan stuff floating around out there; but so far, nobody's forcing me to listen to it. We'll see what happens in the next congress. Jerry Alexander Dickow wrote: > I vote for that "My milkshake is better than yours" song. Ick. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Tony Trigilio > *To:* NewPoetry List > *Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 9:16:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute > > "Life is a Highway." I rarely can get through a semester without > making a crack about this one. > > T. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute > From: David Graham > > Date: Mon, November 15, 2010 2:01 pm > To: NewPoetry > > > A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. > Kelly titled "Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly > the worst song lyrics ever. > > I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song > from the 70s, "(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction > of receiving both the "Keep Her in Her Place" award from the > National Organization of Women AND garnering its author the "Male > Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. > > But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as > author of the worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. > > I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst > lyrics? For purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm > interested only in the words, not any musical horrors. . . . > > Meanwhile, you may compare: > > "Pregnant" > > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up > > [R. KELLY] > Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, > And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, > See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, > To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, > Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, > Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a > cutie, > I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, > And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, > Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, > But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, > Never felt nothing like this, > Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, > Now put that girl in my kitchen, > > [CHORUS:] > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > That's what I told her, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Like you are, > Knock you up, pregnant, > > [TYRESE] > All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, > How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, > Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, > I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, > Tell me what your name is, > I can make you famous, > We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, > Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, > I just wanna put some in you, > And I can tell that you want it too, > And I'm ready babe, > And your ready babe, > So let's go get out of this club, > Kel's and Rys after party, > You can fuck with us, > > [CHORUS] > > [ROBIN THICKE] > Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby > So tell me that you want me baby baby > And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) > And girl I promise I will make you mine > Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and > I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid > Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us > Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love > If you chose me I?ll guarantee > That the rest of your life would be man drama free > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, > Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b > And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring > And plant this magic seed > > [CHORUS] > > [THE-DREAM] > Your house my house don?t matter hit it up > Your city my city don?t matter give it up > Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby > Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby > You can play all you want but I know you feel it to > For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms > In New York meeting with the realtor > There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it > Oh girl imma take care of you > And Imma still hold ya like we brand new > So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks > I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it > > [CHORUS] > > [R. KELLY] > Take you out to eat uh uh > Wine and dine uh uh > Shoppin spree uh uh > You sexing me ah ha > See I?m not cheap > Or selfish babe > Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby > And it?s all your fault baby you look so good > It?s all your fault that it feels like wool > And you look so board up in this club so let?s go > We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club > B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly > Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some > All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden > > [CHORUS] > --R. Kelly > ==================== > *(You're) Having My Baby > > * > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > Having my baby, > What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me > > I can see it, your face is glowing, > I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it > > That your , > Having my baby, > Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, > Having my baby, > You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, > > The need inside you, I see it showing, > Oh the seed inside you, > Baby do you feel it growing, > Are you happy you know it, > > That your having my Baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, > > Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, > You could of swept it from your live, > but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. > > And your having my baby, > I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, > Having My Baby. > I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, > > Having My Baby (Having My Baby) > What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, > > Having My Baby, > I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, > Having My Baby > > --Paul Anka > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Prof. Jerry McGuire Dept. of English University of Louisiana at Lafayette jlm8047 at louisiana.edu 337-482-5478 From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 17:04:54 2010 From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:04:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: References: <20101115131636.870ee2c6f4cdb7a25c6769c3e9ddf335.75a75abf4f.wbe@email06.secureserver.net> <260856.7675.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That Humps song. Gah. Makes my ears bleed. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > "Drips" by Eminem is about "catching a case of the clap," as they used to > say, and is not very respectful of women "carriers." (Although it is so > energetically done, it sounds like holy music to *my* ear). > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > >> I vote for that "My milkshake is better than yours" song. Ick. >> Amicalement, >> Alex >> >> www.alexdickow.net/blog/ >> >> les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin >> merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tony Trigilio >> *To:* NewPoetry List >> *Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 9:16:36 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute >> >> "Life is a Highway." I rarely can get through a semester without making a >> crack about this one. >> >> T. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute >> From: David Graham >> Date: Mon, November 15, 2010 2:01 pm >> To: NewPoetry >> >> A student of mine has provided me with the lyrics of a song by R. Kelly >> titled "Pregnant," claiming that these are quite possibly the worst song >> lyrics ever. >> >> I suggested that she take a look at Paul Anka's classic bad song from the >> 70s, "(You're) Having My Baby," which has the distinction of receiving both >> the "Keep Her in Her Place" award from the National Organization of Women >> AND garnering its author the "Male Chauvinist Pig Award" from Ms. Magazine. >> >> But I have now read the R. Kelly lyrics, and my trust in Anka as author of >> the worst lyrics of all time is, I confess, wavering. >> >> I wonder what other songs you would propose as having the worst lyrics? >> For purposes of this particular pointless argument, I'm interested only in >> the words, not any musical horrors. . . . >> >> Meanwhile, you may compare: >> >> "Pregnant" >> >> Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >> Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >> Lay your body down and get you pregnant, >> Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up >> >> [R. KELLY] >> Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, >> And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, >> See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, >> To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, >> Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, >> Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, >> I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, >> And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, >> Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, >> But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, >> Never felt nothing like this, >> Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, >> Now put that girl in my kitchen, >> >> [CHORUS:] >> Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >> That's what I told her, >> Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, >> Lay your body down and get you pregnant, >> Like you are, >> Knock you up, pregnant, >> >> [TYRESE] >> All the pretty ladies please line up right next to me, >> How would you like to go on a little trip with your boy Tyrese, >> Raise your hand if you want me to fulfill your fantasy, >> I can hide your co-star and get in one of my new wiis, >> Tell me what your name is, >> I can make you famous, >> We can pop champagne and get right down to sexing, >> Now I ain't got nothing to do tonight I gotta wait for my crew, >> I just wanna put some in you, >> And I can tell that you want it too, >> And I'm ready babe, >> And your ready babe, >> So let's go get out of this club, >> Kel's and Rys after party, >> You can fuck with us, >> >> [CHORUS] >> >> [ROBIN THICKE] >> Oh this song has got me hungry baby baby >> So tell me that you want me baby baby >> And Girl I?ll love you till the sun shines (sun shines) >> And girl I promise I will make you mine >> Around the world in and out of clubs hangin out with chicks and >> I don?t see nothin wrong with havin a kid >> Ooh, ooh, sounds like heaven?s callin us >> Ooh, ooh, and girl well that?s bout makin love >> If you chose me I?ll guarantee >> That the rest of your life would be man drama free >> Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, >> Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I think b-o-t-h of us should leave this c-l-u-b >> And get somewhere alone with me where there?s no phones to ring >> And plant this magic seed >> >> [CHORUS] >> >> [THE-DREAM] >> Your house my house don?t matter hit it up >> Your city my city don?t matter give it up >> Something about being with you makes me wanna a baby >> Put them pills on chill and girl give me my baby >> You can play all you want but I know you feel it to >> For 3 weeks you?ve been talking bout extra bed rooms >> In New York meeting with the realtor >> There?s something you want to tell just say it I?ll kay it >> Oh girl imma take care of you >> And Imma still hold ya like we brand new >> So don?t get it twisted for 30 somethin weeks >> I?m still gone hit it and baby sit it, baby sit it >> >> [CHORUS] >> >> [R. KELLY] >> Take you out to eat uh uh >> Wine and dine uh uh >> Shoppin spree uh uh >> You sexing me ah ha >> See I?m not cheap >> Or selfish babe >> Girl I?m just thristin for that booty baby >> And it?s all your fault baby you look so good >> It?s all your fault that it feels like wool >> And you look so board up in this club so let?s go >> We can hop in the Lamborghini roll to my big club >> B-a-b-y (shorty) let?s go cr-a-zy oh let?s m-a-k-e a l-ittle Kelly >> Baby I?ve got goodies and I want you to have some >> All I ask is that you let me explore your secret garden >> >> [CHORUS] >> --R. Kelly >> ==================== >> *(You're) Having My Baby >> >> * >> Having my baby, >> What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, >> Having my baby, >> What a lovely way of saying what you're thinking of me >> >> I can see it, your face is glowing, >> I can see it, in your eyes I'm happy you know it >> >> That your , >> Having my baby, >> Your the woman I love, & I love what it's doing to you, >> Having my baby, >> You're a woman in love and I love what's going through you, >> >> The need inside you, I see it showing, >> Oh the seed inside you, >> Baby do you feel it growing, >> Are you happy you know it, >> >> That your having my Baby, >> I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, >> Having My Baby, >> I'm a woman in love and I love what's going through me, >> >> Didn't have to keep it, wouldn't put you through it, >> You could of swept it from your live, >> but you wouldn't do it, no you wouldn't do it. >> >> And your having my baby, >> I'm a woman in love, and I love what it's doing to me, >> Having My Baby. >> I'm a woman in love, and I love what's going through me, >> >> Having My Baby (Having My Baby) >> What a lovely way of saying how much you love me, >> >> Having My Baby, >> I'm a woman in love and I love what it's going through me, >> Having My Baby >> >> --Paul Anka >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Ohioana Book Festival is in its 5th year and will be held May 7, 2011 in Columbus, Ohio.? In 2010, more than 3,000 people attended the festival to enjoy a fun-filled day of activities to celebrate reading, writing, and literacy in Ohio ! The Festival is free and open to the public. ? The criteria for eligibility for Festival authors are as follows: ???????? An Ohio connection is required for the author. An author must have been born or lived at least five years in Ohio . ???????? Only books published after January 2010 will be considered. Books MUST be available for sale at the Festival on May 7, 2011. ???????? Only books published by traditional publishers will be considered at this time. Unfortunately, the Festival is not accepting self-published or otherwise author-subsidized books. ? I have attached the 2011 application. I hope that you will fill it out and return it to me. Feel free to return it via mail, email, or fax. ? 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A few of his favorite things are the film Dead Man, the band Fever Ray, and purple owls. ~ Macgregor Card left Brooklyn. He lives in Queens, teaches at Pratt Institute and programs Monday nights at The Poetry Project. A new chapbook, THE ARCHERS, is just out from Song Cave. His first book,DUTIES OF AN ENGLISH FOREIGN SECRETARY, was published in December ?09 by Fence Books. With Andrew Maxwell, he was editor ofTHE GERM: A JOURNAL OF POETIC RESEARCH (archives up at http://germspot.blogspot.com). ~ Kathy Fagan is the author of four collections of poems, most recently LIP (distributed by Carnegie Mellon UP). She is the recipient of grants from the Ingram Merrill Foundation, the NEA, and the Ohio Arts Council. Her work has appeared in such places as SLATE, THE PARIS REVIEW, THE NEW REPUBLIC, FIELD, and POOL. She currently teaches in the MFA Program at The Ohio State University, where she also co-edits THE JOURNAL. ~ Poet, translator, essayist and educator, Richard Jeffrey Newman is the author of three volumes of po-etry: THE SILENCE OF MEN (CavanKerry Press, 2006), a book of his own poems and SELECTIONS FROM SAADI?S GULISTAN and SELECTIONS FROM SAADI?S BUSTAN (Global Scholarly Publications, 2004 & 2006 re-spectively), translations of two masterpieces of 13th century Iranian poetry. As well, he co-translated with Professor John Moyne the poetry in A BIRD IN THE GARDEN OF ANGELS (Mazda Publishers, 2008), a selection of work by Rumi, also from 13th century Iran. Newman?s poems and essays have appeared in a wide range of journals, including SALON.COM, THE AMERICAN VOICE, CIRCUMFERENCE, PRAIRIE SCHOONER, ANOTHER CHICAGO MAGAZINE, THE PEDESTAL MAGAZINE and BIRMINGHAM POETRY REVIEW. His work has been anthologized in ACCESS LITERATURE (Wadsworth Publishers, 2005), and the title poem from THE SI-LENCE OF MEN has been translated into Dutch. In addition, he has completed a verse translation of a book-length section of SHAHNAMEH, the Persian national epic. Richard Jeffrey Newman is Literary Arts Director of Persian Arts Festival, sits on the advisory boards of The Translation Project and Jackson Heights Poetry Festival, and is listed as a speaker with the New York Council for the Humanities. He is Associate Professor of English at Nassau Community College in Garden City, New York, where he co-ordinates the Creative Writing Project. His website is www.richardjnewman.com. ~ Christopher Salerno?s books of poems include MINIMUM HEROIC,recipient of the Mississippi Review Poetry Series Award (2010), and Whirligig (Spuyten Duyvil, 2006). A chapbook, ATM is just now out from Horse Less Press. His most recent poems can be found in journals such as DENVER QUARTERLY, BOSTON REVIEW, AMERICAN LETTERS AND COMMENTARY, BLACK WARRIOR REVIEW, TUSCULUM REVIEW, and elsewhere. He is co-curator of the So and So Reading Series, and co-editor of SO AND SO MAGAZINE. Currently, he teaches as an Assistant Professor of English at William Paterson University of New Jersey. ~ Rob Schlegel?s THE LESSER FIELDS was selected for the 2009 Colorado Prize for Poetry and was published by the Center for Literary Publishing. Born and raised in Portland, OR., he has lived in California, Montana and Iowa. Recent work can be found in NEW AMERICAN WRITING, SUBTROPICS and BARN OWL REVIEW. @ GOODBYE BLUE MONDAY 1087 BROADWAY (CORNER OF DODWORTH ST)BROOKLYN, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 EASY RIDE TO BROOKLYN: J / M / Z TRAINS TO MYRTLE AVE OR J TRAIN TO KOSCIUSKO ST ~ Hosted by Steven Karl, Erika Moya & Christie Ann Reynolds ~ -- ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Nov 16 11:23:24 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:23:24 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: <6021c.7623cc50.3a131e27@cs.com> Message-ID: How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? I feel that "My Way" is bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are mostly just blah. They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur Park"'s glorious lyrical badness. This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy performance, is just bad poetry. Let us recall that it begins with these words: Spring was never waiting for us, girl It ran one step ahead As we followed in the dance Between the parted pages and were pressed, In love's hot, fevered iron Like a striped pair of pants CHORUS MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark All the sweet, green icing flowing down... Someone left the cake out in the rain I don't think that I can take it 'cause it took so long to bake it And I'll never have that recipe again Oh, no! This is truly Stuffed Owl material. I'm surprised there was never a punk band called "Love's Hot Fevered Iron." Icky strained & mixed metaphors, adolescent self-absorption, stunningly oblivious sentimentality, and hilarious rhymes like "take it/bake it," which it is a miracle anyone could say OR sing without bursting into laughter. . . . And like most solid contenders for Worst Song Lyrics Ever, it's insufferably earnest. (I disqualify any lyrics that are *trying* to be funny or absurd.) I think R. Kelly's "Pregnant" has many wonderfully smelly passages (like the "cutie/booty" rhyme), but, upon sober consideration, I am awarding my personal palm to "MacArthur Park." But let's go to the text. The opening of "MacArthur Park" is quoted above. Again, here's how "Pregnant" begins. Judges, what is your decision? "Pregnant" Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Lay your body down and get you pregnant, Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up [R. KELLY] Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, Never felt nothing like this, Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, Now put that girl in my kitchen, On 11/15/10 5:37 PM, "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: > "MacArthur Park" and "My Way" have to be in contention. > > _______________________________________________ -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 11:46:04 2010 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:46:04 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: References: <6021c.7623cc50.3a131e27@cs.com> Message-ID: Clearence Screed Bladder's "Oh Suzy Q" might well rank, as they say. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:23 AM, David Graham wrote: > How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? I feel that "My Way" is > bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are > mostly just blah. They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur > Park"'s glorious lyrical badness. > > This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy > performance, is just bad poetry. Let us recall that it begins with these > words: > > Spring was never waiting for us, girl > It ran one step ahead > As we followed in the dance > Between the parted pages and were pressed, > In love's hot, fevered iron > Like a striped pair of pants > > CHORUS > MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark > All the sweet, green icing flowing down... > Someone left the cake out in the rain > I don't think that I can take it > 'cause it took so long to bake it > And I'll never have that recipe again > Oh, no! > > This is truly Stuffed Owl material. I'm surprised there was never a punk > band called "Love's Hot Fevered Iron." Icky strained & mixed metaphors, > adolescent self-absorption, stunningly oblivious sentimentality, and > hilarious rhymes like "take it/bake it," which it is a miracle anyone could > say OR sing without bursting into laughter. . . . And like most solid > contenders for Worst Song Lyrics Ever, it's insufferably earnest. (I > disqualify any lyrics that are *trying* to be funny or absurd.) > > I think R. Kelly's "Pregnant" has many wonderfully smelly passages (like > the "cutie/booty" rhyme), but, upon sober consideration, I am awarding my > personal palm to "MacArthur Park." > > But let's go to the text. The opening of "MacArthur Park" is quoted above. > Again, here's how "Pregnant" begins. Judges, what is your decision? > > "Pregnant" > > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, > Lay your body down and get you pregnant, > Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up > > [R. KELLY] > Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, > And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, > See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, > To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, > Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, > Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, > I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, > And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, > Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, > But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, > Never felt nothing like this, > Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, > Now put that girl in my kitchen, > > > > > On 11/15/10 5:37 PM, "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: > > "MacArthur Park" and "My Way" have to be in contention. > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mykelmarsh at comcast.net Tue Nov 16 12:51:18 2010 From: mykelmarsh at comcast.net (mykelmarsh at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520336076.920601.1289929878152.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Sid Vicious actually made "I Did It My Way" work in a purely profane and poetic way. It is not the lyrics it is the performance that counts. Macarthur Park might even work if someone found the proper attitude to convey the stupidity of its content. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Graham" To: "NewPoetry" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:23:24 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? ?I feel that "My Way" is bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are mostly just blah. ???They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur Park"'s glorious lyrical badness. ? This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy performance, is just bad poetry. ?Let us recall that it begins with these words: Spring was never waiting for us, girl It ran one step ahead As we followed in the dance Between the parted pages and were pressed, In love's hot, fevered iron Like a striped pair of pants ? CHORUS MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark All the sweet, green icing flowing down... Someone left the cake out in the rain I don't think that I can take it 'cause it took so long to bake it And I'll never have that recipe again Oh, no! This is truly Stuffed Owl material. ?I'm surprised there was never a punk band called "Love's Hot Fevered Iron." ?Icky strained & mixed metaphors, adolescent self-absorption, stunningly oblivious sentimentality, and hilarious rhymes like "take it/bake it," which it is a miracle anyone could say OR sing without bursting into laughter. . . . ?And like most solid contenders for Worst Song Lyrics Ever, it's insufferably earnest. ?(I disqualify any lyrics that are *trying* to be funny or absurd.) I think R. Kelly's "Pregnant" has many wonderfully smelly passages (like the "cutie/booty" rhyme), but, upon sober consideration, I am awarding my personal palm to "MacArthur Park." But let's go to the text. ?The opening of "MacArthur Park" is quoted above. ?Again, here's how "Pregnant" begins. ?Judges, what is your decision? "Pregnant" Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Lay your body down and get you pregnant, Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up [R. KELLY] Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, Never felt nothing like this, Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, Now put that girl in my kitchen, On 11/15/10 5:37 PM, " Rsgwynn1 at cs.com " < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > wrote: "MacArthur Park" and "My Way" have to be in contention. _______________________________________________ -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheilafblack at hotmail.com Tue Nov 16 13:06:02 2010 From: sheilafblack at hotmail.com (sheila black) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:06:02 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: <520336076.920601.1289929878152.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: , <520336076.920601.1289929878152.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Richard Harris's performance is cringe-worthy true, but given how genuinely absurd the lyrics to that particular song are--he does also make it all kind of SUBLIMELY AWFUL> My gal pals and I all LOVED that song when we were bad sixteen year old would be runaways; we also loved Sid Vicious. Bad to us was like "Gimme the Beach Boys to free my soul/ Gonna get lose in your rock and roll/and drift away." Just blah-I mean I still don't know who wrote that. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:51:18 +0000 From: mykelmarsh at comcast.net To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute Sid Vicious actually made "I Did It My Way" work in a purely profane and poetic way. It is not the lyrics it is the performance that counts. Macarthur Park might even work if someone found the proper attitude to convey the stupidity of its content. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Graham" To: "NewPoetry" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:23:24 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? I feel that "My Way" is bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are mostly just blah. They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur Park"'s glorious lyrical badness. This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy performance, is just bad poetry. Let us recall that it begins with these words: Spring was never waiting for us, girl It ran one step ahead As we followed in the dance Between the parted pages and were pressed, In love's hot, fevered iron Like a striped pair of pants CHORUS MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark All the sweet, green icing flowing down... Someone left the cake out in the rain I don't think that I can take it 'cause it took so long to bake it And I'll never have that recipe again Oh, no! This is truly Stuffed Owl material. I'm surprised there was never a punk band called "Love's Hot Fevered Iron." Icky strained & mixed metaphors, adolescent self-absorption, stunningly oblivious sentimentality, and hilarious rhymes like "take it/bake it," which it is a miracle anyone could say OR sing without bursting into laughter. . . . And like most solid contenders for Worst Song Lyrics Ever, it's insufferably earnest. (I disqualify any lyrics that are *trying* to be funny or absurd.) I think R. Kelly's "Pregnant" has many wonderfully smelly passages (like the "cutie/booty" rhyme), but, upon sober consideration, I am awarding my personal palm to "MacArthur Park." But let's go to the text. The opening of "MacArthur Park" is quoted above. Again, here's how "Pregnant" begins. Judges, what is your decision? "Pregnant" Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Girl you make me wanna get you pregnant, Lay your body down and get you pregnant, Knock you up, pregnant, Knock you up [R. KELLY] Can you believe I'm in the club with a girl who has a man, And take her to the hotel for just a one night stand, See I'm a playa so I ain't tryna take her on no dates, To much like my patrone man I'm just tryna take it straight, Untill I met this girl in the club with an unbelievable booty, Sweetest girl in the world and I mean it and on top of that shes a cutie, I ain't seen nothing like her around here in a while, And if I had a girl she'd be the one to bear my child, Telling myself I'm a playa so I keep tryna shake it off, But I keep on seeing this big old house with a picket fence and a dog, Never felt nothing like this, Shes more than a mistress enough to handle my business, Now put that girl in my kitchen, On 11/15/10 5:37 PM, "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: "MacArthur Park" and "My Way" have to be in contention. _______________________________________________ -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 13:23:52 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:23:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Justification Day! Seeking Recommendations... Message-ID: <569290.78196.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Let's say I wanted to compile a list of contemporary "lay" articles to justify teaching poetry for an academic administrator who was previously a scientist or biologist. Any recommendations? VERSE BROADENS THE MIND, SCIENTISTS FIND -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/verse-broadens-the-mind-scientists-find/ This Is Your Brain on Metaphors -- http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/this-is-your-brain-on-metaphors/ Present and Tense: Fiction vs. Poetry in Recovery -- http://soberfornow.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/present-and-tense-fiction-vs-poetry-in-recovery/ Poetry is I say essentially a vocabulary just as prose is essentially not. And what is the vocabulary of which poetry absolutely is. It is a vocabulary based on the noun as prose is essentially and determinately and vigorously not based on the noun. Poetry is concerned with using with abusing, with losing with wanting with denying with avoiding with adoring with replacing the noun. It is doing that always doing that, doing that doing nothing but that. Poetry is doing nothing but using losing refusing and pleasing and betraying and caressing nouns. That is what poetry does, that is what poetry has to do no matter what kind of poetry it is. And there are a great many kinds of poetry. So that is poetry really loving the name of anything and that is not prose. * Gertrude Stein, ?Poetry and Grammar? ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From by.tjmst at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 18:28:03 2010 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:28:03 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY AS A PERPETUAL ETHICAL DIARY ACROSS THE AGES BY GBEMI TIJANI MST Message-ID: (poets - poetry impact and their anonymous audience) BY GBEMI TIJANI MST ALL POETRY is born as a website we are all so to speak enjoy as well as expand our inner permission to write read and comment on others thoughts and poetry mentoring actions -ALL BECAUSE the conveners had envisioned the forum to be a 2 -way channel to submit and learn how to submit or review others musings. Intellectual freedom is integral in this web planning.-kudos to worthier here.Time has unfurled the folly of eggheads and blessed the synergy of town and gown -especially for that aspect of human expression that's not domiciled only with the learned poets/playwrights Nobel laureates etc However all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.Goerge Orwell 's thoughts are still stabilized till 21st century.Thanks to ALL POETRY for a level playing ground. Whatever poetry we write -be it transparent or translucent or libidinal mused to arouse or prompt something we should be conscious of the environment when/where it'll be read or audience that it'll resplendently affect. above else the poet is still free to muse infinitely into the past and the future or dissect the present scenario or idiosyncrasies of our time with all literary or socio-impunity The purpose of this column is to justify whatever poetry has been wrought and to catalyze whatever is yet to be written as confessional poetry or campaign poems or lament or indictment or memoir or ecological poetry far detached from just gender to gender passions and grandeur. Wither! Poetry of the unflashed trillions of the supreme poet -the Creator or Providence or a Transcendental Essence? The poets? environment is now beyond the print media. The internet is immensely a miraculous space for multimedia productions....Is the poetry audience still there in the print format? Are the non -poetic audience also vital in the production of poetry -for fun or functional use as arts or arts sake.Today i don?t see any insolvency or futility in any purpose of writing -for pleasure or for profit -all has a ready audience though one might be wealthily welcome than the other. The sky is the limit for your poetry ecology.- poetry as a timeless ethical diary Other poets might opine that poetry from achaic, ancient through recent haiku and typewriter centuries and modern free verse forms possibly on ipods are differentially a form of cultural checks on excesses of rulers and incongruous behaviors of citizens depending on accepted norms and expectations of the community priests and council that matters. I' m not oblivious of spiritual poems that purposely served to elevate spirits and are also adopted as recitals for worship of the Overself or the supreme entity called God, Ommenana,Chi,Olodumare in Yoruba mythology and thousands names since all societies believe in something and worship a deity or deities whether colonized or not. BEFORE THE PSALMS come through the Masorethic translators and Hebraic manuscripts there existed oral -ritual performance for ceremonies inextricably linked to festivals or worship per se in JAPAN,AFRICA,ASIA and of course the worlds aren?t dropped from the sky! Mystic, lithurgical, Shakespearean,T.S ELIOT inclusive are age-specific sharp and metaphoric cultural journal-lists of each era...The internet era is the most opulent -most widely read though most uncensored. tjmusepal -poetry column justification comment16112010 From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Nov 16 18:32:39 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:32:39 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute Message-ID: <42bd5.7abc8320.3a146e97@cs.com> In a message dated 11/16/2010 11:52:27 AM Central Standard Time, mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: > How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? I feel that "My Way" is > bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are mostly > just blah. They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur Park"'s > glorious lyrical badness. > > This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy > performance, is just bad poetry. Let us recall that it begins with these > words: > > Spring was never waiting for us, girl > It ran one step ahead > As we followed in the dance > Between the parted pages and were pressed, > In love's hot, fevered iron > Like a striped pair of pants > > CHORUS > MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark > All the sweet, green icing flowing down... > Someone left the cake out in the rain > I don't think that I can take it > 'cause it took so long to bake it > And I'll never have that recipe again > Oh, no! I can't imagine that this wasn't written as camp. Or that Harris thought so himself. I recall at the time thinking it was brilliantly bad. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 03:54:16 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:54:16 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Scholarly dispute In-Reply-To: <42bd5.7abc8320.3a146e97@cs.com> References: <42bd5.7abc8320.3a146e97@cs.com> Message-ID: It might be the coffee I drank this morning, but believe it or not, I sort of feel sick. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 11/16/2010 11:52:27 AM Central Standard Time, > mykelmarsh at comcast.net writes: > > How could I have forgotten "MacArthur Park"? I feel that "My Way" is > bombastic and awful in performance, but the words alone on the page are > mostly just blah. They don't quite rise to the level of "MacArthur > Park"'s glorious lyrical badness. > > This is a song that, entirely apart from Richard Harris's cringe-worthy > performance, is just bad poetry. Let us recall that it begins with these > words: > > Spring was never waiting for us, girl > It ran one step ahead > As we followed in the dance > Between the parted pages and were pressed, > In love's hot, fevered iron > Like a striped pair of pants > > CHORUS > MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark > All the sweet, green icing flowing down... > Someone left the cake out in the rain > I don't think that I can take it > 'cause it took so long to bake it > And I'll never have that recipe again > Oh, no! > > I can't imagine that this wasn't written as camp. Or that Harris thought > so himself. I recall at the time thinking it was brilliantly bad. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 17 09:47:19 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:47:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Roy Fisher et al on Costa shortlist Message-ID: <8CD547D787E00E9-1E30-BC3B@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11764246 Octogenarian poet makes Costa Book Award shortlist Roy Fisher's latest collection is published by Bloodaxe Books Continue reading An octogenarian poet from Birmingham is one of 19 authors in contention for the 2010 Costa Book Awards. Roy Fisher is shortlisted for Standard Midland, a collection published in June to coincide with his 80th birthday. Playwright Michael Frayn is nominated for the biography award for his memoir about his father Tom. The winners of the five individual categories will be announced on 5 January, one of whom will be named the overall winner three weeks later. Poet Christopher Reid won the 2009 Costa Book of the Year award for his collection A Scattering. TV presenters Lorraine Kelly and Anneka Rice are among the judges who will select the winners of each category. In addition to the poetry and biography prizes, awards will also be given for best novel, best first novel and best children's book. Fisher faces competition in his category from Sam Willetts, a reformed heroin addict nominated for his first collection of poems New Light for the Old Dark. One of the nominees for the novel award, Skippy Dies by Paul Murray, was previously longlisted for the Man Booker prize. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JL On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11764246 > Octogenarian poet makes Costa Book Award shortlist > Roy Fisher's latest collection is published by Bloodaxe Books Continue reading > > An octogenarian poet from Birmingham is one of 19 authors in contention for the 2010 Costa Book Awards. > > Roy Fisher is shortlisted for Standard Midland, a collection published in June to coincide with his 80th birthday. > > Playwright Michael Frayn is nominated for the biography award for his memoir about his father Tom. > > The winners of the five individual categories will be announced on 5 January, one of whom will be named the overall winner three weeks later. > Poet Christopher Reid won the 2009 Costa Book of the Year award for his collection A Scattering. > > TV presenters Lorraine Kelly and Anneka Rice are among the judges who will select the winners of each category. > > In addition to the poetry and biography prizes, awards will also be given for best novel, best first novel and best children's book. > > Fisher faces competition in his category from Sam Willetts, a reformed heroin addict nominated for his first collection of poems New Light for the Old Dark. > > One of the nominees for the novel award, Skippy Dies by Paul Murray, was previously longlisted for the Man Booker prize. > > From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Nov 17 12:07:04 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:07:04 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen Message-ID: http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 12:57:21 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I learned this morning. Loss of a good person and poet. - Jim On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM, David Graham wrote: > > http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Graves is the author of a full-length collection of poems, ADAM AND CAIN (Black Buzzard, 2006) and two chapbooks, ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSER (Cervana Barva, 2008) and OUTSIDE?ST. JUDE'S (R. E. M. Press, 1990). In 2004, he was the recipient of a grant of $4,500 from the Ludwig Vogelstein Foundation. He is the publisher of the small magazine PHOENIX. He was a student of James Wright and organized a conference on James Wright at Poets House in 2004. He is a member of P. E. N. In addition to leading a James Joyce Ulysses? Reading Group, he has published thirteen (13) poems in the James Joyce Quarterly and read from them and others of his poems influenced by Joyce to a gathering of the Joyce Society at the Gotham Book Mart. He has appeared on the Poetry Thin Air Cable Show and the DVD of that interview will soon be in the collections of Poets House, NYPL, the Poetry and Rare Books Collection at SUNY-Buffalo, The Avant Writing Collection at The Ohio State University Libraries and the Fales Library and Special Collection at NYU. ?? ? Cyndi Dawson ? Joining him will be wordrocker Cyndi Dawson who will be reading from her new poetry collection OUTSIDE GIRL released this past June from Poets Wear Prada.? Dawson curates the Poets and Angels music and poetry series in her hometown of East Brunswick, and has performed in N.Y., N.J. and internationally. An actress in TV and film, she has stood in for Madonna and appeared on LAW AND ORDER and is famous for her collaboration as a performance artist with Venezuelan SoHo-based, artist Rene. Her new poetry chapbook OUTSIDE GIRL focuses on her behind the scene recollections of the punk rock '80s in New York. Other?publication credits include Gutter Eloquence Magazine, Heroin Love Songs, Lines Written with a Razor, Spine Writer, Deep Tissue Magazine, Off Beat Pulp, Breadcrumb Scabs, The Plebian Rag, 63 Channels, The Skyline 2009 Review, The Aquarian, Images of the Mystic Truth, Gloom Cupboard, Light Trauma, Journey of the Poet/Prophet, Poetz.com and the Livingston Medium, and two previous collections, Dream Sequences and Inside of Outside. Her spoken word has been featured on the CD, Going Down Swinging and has been heard on radio stations around the world. Jackie Sheeler,?host of the Friday night open?mic series at the Cornelia Street?Cafe,?writes about?OUTSIDE GIRL: "These poems are black leather jackets lined in lace and silk. If you don?t hear the drums booming out of propped-open club doors, if you don?t see the bloodied arm and earlobe of the punk, if you don?t smell the Bowery, mustard greens and car exhaust, then you haven?t been paying attention." Visit?Ms. Dawson?online at www.myspace.com/insideofoutside. Friday, November 19th 8PM-10PM MICHAEL GRAVES & CYNDI DAWSON A Talk: Out of My Nothingness: The Work of James Wright A Reading: OUTSIDE GIRL @ Bengal Curry 65 West Broadway New York, NY 10007-2292 212.571.1122 Between Murray and Warren. 1 1?2 blocks below Chambers St Take the 1, 2, 3, A, C or E trains to Chambers Street Please purchase meal, snack, desert?and or beverage to help support the venue. Small Donations?Encouraged and Greatfully Accepted?? *Both writers will have their books available for sale and signing* ? * * * POETS WEAR PRADA C/O Roxanne Hoffman 533 Bloomfield Street - 2nd Floor Hoboken, NJ 07030 http://pwpbooks.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Poets-Wear-Prada/41483895438 http://twitter.com/pradapoet POETS WEAR PRADA is a small press based in Hoboken, New Jersey devoted to introducing new authors through limited edition, high- quality chaplets, primarily of poetry. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 17 22:32:47 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:32:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen In-Reply-To: <8CD54E756EA6333-1564-6F54@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD54E756EA6333-1564-6F54@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD54E867672993-1564-70AE@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Because I'm strange where poetry is concerned, I keep an updated list of those contemporary poets 'swimming into my ken' (as Keats would put it). My poets list is north of 1500 names. When I noted Steve Orlen's death on that list, I noticed his name was right next to Peter Orlovsky, also deceased in 2010. On that same list in 2008, one right next to another, was this run of names/deaths... Reginald Shepherd Jason Shinder Aleda Shirley What this might mean, I can't say. But if I was a poet and my name started with 'Or', I keep a low profile till the end of 2010. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:07 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 00:44:42 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:44:42 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen In-Reply-To: <8CD54E867672993-1564-70AE@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD54E756EA6333-1564-6F54@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> <8CD54E867672993-1564-70AE@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oh. What about the B, Ballard and so forth... On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:32 AM, wrote: > Because I'm strange where poetry is concerned, I keep an updated list > of those contemporary poets 'swimming into my ken' (as Keats would put it). > My poets list is north of 1500 names. > When I noted Steve Orlen's death on that list, I noticed his name was right > next to Peter Orlovsky, also deceased in 2010. > On that same list in 2008, one right next to another, was this run of > names/deaths... > Reginald Shepherd Jason Shinder Aleda Shirley > > What this might mean, I can't say. But if I was a poet and my name started > with 'Or', I keep a low profile till the end of 2010. > > Finnegan > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry > Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:07 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen > > > http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:32 AM, wrote: Because I'm strange where poetry is concerned, I keep an updated list of those contemporary poets 'swimming into my ken' (as Keats would put it). My poets list is north of 1500 names. When I noted Steve Orlen's death on that list, I noticed his name was right next to Peter Orlovsky, also deceased in 2010. On that same list in 2008, one right next to another, was this run of names/deaths... Reginald Shepherd Jason Shinder Aleda Shirley What this might mean, I can't say. But if I was a poet and my name started with 'Or', I keep a low profile till the end of 2010. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:07 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 10:44:28 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:44:28 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen In-Reply-To: <8CD554E594F5A7D-13C4-DBA0@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD54E756EA6333-1564-6F54@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> <8CD54E867672993-1564-70AE@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> <8CD554E594F5A7D-13C4-DBA0@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sure Will, :-) On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > So far so good. But look both ways before crossing those Italian streets > with Fiats whizzing around. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2010 12:44 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen > > Oh. What about the B, Ballard and so forth... > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:32 AM, wrote: > >> Because I'm strange where poetry is concerned, I keep an updated list >> of those contemporary poets 'swimming into my ken' (as Keats would put it). >> My poets list is north of 1500 names. >> When I noted Steve Orlen's death on that list, I noticed his name was >> right next to Peter Orlovsky, also deceased in 2010. >> On that same list in 2008, one right next to another, was this run of >> names/deaths... >> Reginald Shepherd Jason Shinder Aleda Shirley >> >> What this might mean, I can't say. But if I was a poet and my name started >> with 'Or', I keep a low profile till the end of 2010. >> >> Finnegan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Graham >> To: NewPoetry >> Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:07 pm >> Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Steve Orlen >> >> >> http://www.h-ngm-n.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=1039511&categoryId=90395 >> -- >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Nov 18 22:06:40 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:06:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Nat'l Book Award in Poetry to Terrence Hayes Message-ID: <8CD55ADEC22E72D-FC0-9517@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> http://papercuts.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/lighthead-by-terrance-hayes-a-d-d-poet-wins-n-b-a-poetry-award/ ?Lighthead,? by Terrance Hayes: A.D.D. Poet Wins N.B.A. Poetry Award By GREGORY COWLES Patti Smith may have been the big-name winner at last night?s National Book Awards (her memoir, ?Just Kids,? took the nonfiction prize), but I was pleased to see that the poetry award went to Terrance Hayes for his fourth collection, ?Lighthead,? which Stephen Burt reviewed for us in April. 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Poets Wear Prada announces its 6 nominees for the 35th Annual Pushcart Prize,?the coveted award?for the?best?of the best?published by?small presses.?? Each fall, nominations for the Pushcart Prize are made?by little magazine and small book press editors (print or online).? Each editor?may make up to six nominations from their year?s publications by?the December 1, (postmark) deadline.???Nominations can include a poem, short story, essay or a?chapter from a novel,?or any "literary whatnot."?Translations, reprints and both traditional and experimental writing are also welcomed. The best?from these nominations are selected by Bill Henderson and the other Pushcart Press editors for?inclusion in the annual print?anthology distributed by W. W. Norton, published every year since 1976. The six nominees and their submitted works in order of their release are as follows: ?The Drop? by Austin Alexis from his chapbook For Lincoln: & Other Poems (Poets Wear Prada, March 2010), a varied collection of poetic portraits -- famous?&? unknown -- artists, US Presidents, street people, commuters?and family members -- selected as a Small Press Review Pick this?past June. ?Poets Wear Prada published his previous chapbook LOVERS AND DRAG QUEENS in 2007. This is his second Pushcart nomination by the press. "Guitar? by Joel Allegretti from his chapbook Thrum: Poems (Poets Wear Prada, March 2010), a pop-culture and trivia?infused collection?of 24 prose poems?and essays about "chordophones" or string musical instruments.??Guitar? was previously published in Porcupine. ?Chores? by the widely traveled and a dedicated outdoors man Gene Auprey from his chapbook Dead Reckoning: Poems (Poets Wear Prada, April 2010),?a 50-page collection of memoiristic poems set in rural Maine and written in colloquial New Englandese. ?Girl? by Tantra-zawadi,? the award winning Brooklyn poet/artist/filmmaker from her chapbook Gathered at Her Sky: Life Poems (Poets Wear Prada, June 2010), containing contains excerpts from her off-Broadway production SOLDIER BLUES, and her one-woman performance piece GIRL: A CHOREOSPECTIVE, as well as the text of previously recorded spoken word tracks. ?Girl? also appeared in the publication Poetry in Purple as part of Downstate Medical Center?s Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October 2009. ?Exit 14? by New Jersey Actress and Wordrocker Cyndi Dawson from her chapbook Outside Girl (Poets Wear Prada, June 2010), focusing on the author?s behind-the-scene experiences and reflections on her ?coming of age? during the punk rock ?80s in New York and New Jersey. ?At the Kotel? by Philadelphia native and retired speech therapist B.E. Kahn from her chapbook Landscapes of Light: Poems (October, Poets Wear Prada, 2010), tracking her spiritual journey while traveling from?Greece to Israel. Poets Wear Prada, a small literary press based in Hoboken,?New Jersey, was founded in October of 2006 to develop and promote new and established narrative and lyrical poets. Some of the poets previously published and nominated by the press include Iris Berman, Carol Wierzbicki, Michael Montlack, Susan Maurer, Erik La Prade, Gil Fagiani, Bob Heman, Maria Lisella and Laura Vookles. Poets Wear Prada blogs at http://pwpbooks.blogspot.com/. Most of their titles are available at Amazon.com. 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A new chapbook, THE ARCHERS, is just out from Song Cave. His first book,DUTIES OF AN ENGLISH FOREIGN SECRETARY, was published in December ?09 by Fence Books. With Andrew Maxwell, he was editor ofTHE GERM: A JOURNAL OF POETIC RESEARCH (archives up at http://germspot.blogspot.com). ~ Kathy Fagan is the author of four collections of poems, most recently LIP (distributed by Carnegie Mellon UP). She is the recipient of grants from the Ingram Merrill Foundation, the NEA, and the Ohio Arts Council. Her work has appeared in such places as SLATE, THE PARIS REVIEW, THE NEW REPUBLIC, FIELD, and POOL. She currently teaches in the MFA Program at The Ohio State University, where she also co-edits THE JOURNAL. ~ Poet, translator, essayist and educator, Richard Jeffrey Newman is the author of three volumes of po-etry: THE SILENCE OF MEN (CavanKerry Press, 2006), a book of his own poems and SELECTIONS FROM SAADI?S GULISTAN and SELECTIONS FROM SAADI?S BUSTAN (Global Scholarly Publications, 2004 & 2006 re-spectively), translations of two masterpieces of 13th century Iranian poetry. As well, he co-translated with Professor John Moyne the poetry in A BIRD IN THE GARDEN OF ANGELS (Mazda Publishers, 2008), a selection of work by Rumi, also from 13th century Iran. Newman?s poems and essays have appeared in a wide range of journals, including SALON.COM, THE AMERICAN VOICE, CIRCUMFERENCE, PRAIRIE SCHOONER, ANOTHER CHICAGO MAGAZINE, THE PEDESTAL MAGAZINE and BIRMINGHAM POETRY REVIEW. His work has been anthologized in ACCESS LITERATURE (Wadsworth Publishers, 2005), and the title poem from THE SI-LENCE OF MEN has been translated into Dutch. In addition, he has completed a verse translation of a book-length section of SHAHNAMEH, the Persian national epic. Richard Jeffrey Newman is Literary Arts Director of Persian Arts Festival, sits on the advisory boards of The Translation Project and Jackson Heights Poetry Festival, and is listed as a speaker with the New York Council for the Humanities. He is Associate Professor of English at Nassau Community College in Garden City, New York, where he co-ordinates the Creative Writing Project. His website is www.richardjnewman.com. ~ Christopher Salerno?s books of poems include MINIMUM HEROIC,recipient of the Mississippi Review Poetry Series Award (2010), and Whirligig (Spuyten Duyvil, 2006). A chapbook, ATM is just now out from Horse Less Press. His most recent poems can be found in journals such as DENVER QUARTERLY, BOSTON REVIEW, AMERICAN LETTERS AND COMMENTARY, BLACK WARRIOR REVIEW, TUSCULUM REVIEW, and elsewhere. He is co-curator of the So and So Reading Series, and co-editor of SO AND SO MAGAZINE. Currently, he teaches as an Assistant Professor of English at William Paterson University of New Jersey. ~ Rob Schlegel?s THE LESSER FIELDS was selected for the 2009 Colorado Prize for Poetry and was published by the Center for Literary Publishing. Born and raised in Portland, OR., he has lived in California, Montana and Iowa. Recent work can be found in NEW AMERICAN WRITING, SUBTROPICS and BARN OWL REVIEW. @ GOODBYE BLUE MONDAY 1087 BROADWAY (CORNER OF DODWORTH ST)BROOKLYN, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 EASY RIDE TO BROOKLYN: J / M / Z TRAINS TO MYRTLE AVE OR J TRAIN TO KOSCIUSKO ST ~ Hosted by Steven Karl, Erika Moya & Christie Ann Reynolds ~ -- ********* VIDA: Women in Literary Arts + Interviews Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Nov 19 10:50:04 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:50:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] REMINDER: Fri. Nov. 19, Poems & their Grounds In-Reply-To: <4221C704-CA70-42C0-9265-A10975601851@wesleyan.edu> References: <8CD2FA9A63CFE1F-1064-1054@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> <4101B1FE0324D548B4795FB8FD30FE2A7719ED@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> <8CD2FAE5A0D8383-1C30-166@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> <4101B1FE0324D548B4795FB8FD30FE2A771A0D@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> <8CD2FB441985521-1054-12C6@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com> <8CD2FB490178DDB-1054-1372@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com> <8CD3C7075F4EA1F-18B4-1DB40@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com> <8CD3C709FEDE8DF-18B4-1DB6D@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com> <8CD5592412093BC-1098-1D98@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <8CD5593106C91FC-1098-1F0B@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <4221C704-CA70-42C0-9265-A10975601851@wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: <8CD561891031FE2-1CD4-3B41@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> I plan on attending this lecture tonight, and I'll give a short report... On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:54 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: Friday, November 19, 2010 at 7:30pm Lecture Title: 'Poems and their Grounds' Carl Jung, almost alone among psychologists, kept a wary gaze fixed on the spells that language casts over its users, especially on theologians, psychologists, and writers. I shall use this talk to reflect on the making of several poems of my own, alongside aspects of work by Basho, Dickinson, Graves, Hopkins, Mandelshtam, Pasolini, Pound, Montale, Rilke, and Whitman. I shall attempt an examination of conscience carried out in public: Why art, Mr. Peck, and why art of certain kinds, and why this or that particular way, when, after all, the psyche remains both your challenger and your liege lord? Lecturer: John Peck, Ph.D. & dipl. C.G. Jung Institute Zurich, has published eight books of poetry, and is co-translator of Jung?s Red Book (Norton, 2009). His most recent book, Red Strawberry Leaf (U. of Chicago, 2005) was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. He has taught literature at several colleges and universities and practices in Higganum, Connecticut. Admission: $15 (Students $8) Location: All lectures are open to the public and begin at 7:30 PM at the St. James Episcopal Church in West Hartford Center. Connecticut Association for Jungian Psychology http://www.jungct.org/ / = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Nov 19 10:55:59 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:55:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: The Writing Life-Jan 28-30 with Ellen Bass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD5619649205A2-1CD4-3C66@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> THE WRITING LIFE with Ellen Bass January 28-30, 2011 Esalen, Big Sur There is a vitality, a life-force, an energy, a quickening that is translated through you into action. And because there is only one of you in all time, this expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium, and be lost. The world will not have it. It is not your business to determine how good it is, nor how valuable, nor how it compares with other expressions. It is your business to keep it yours clearly and directly, to keep the channel open. --Martha Graham This workshop will help keep the channels open. It will be an inspiring environment in which to write, share our work, and receive supportive feedback. We'll help each other to become clearer, go deeper, express our feelings and ideas more powerfully. From beginners to experienced, all writers are welcome. Whether you are interested in poetry, fiction, nonfiction, or journal writing, this workshop will provide an opportunity to explore and expand your writing world. Esalen fees cover tuition, food and lodging and vary according to accommodations--ranging from $360 to $695 (and more for premium rooms). The sleeping bag space is an incredible bargain and usually goes fast, as do some of the less expensive rooms, so it's good to register early. Some work-scholarship assistance is available, as well as small prepayment discounts and senior discounts. All arrangements and registration must be made directly with Esalen, but if you have questions about the content of the workshop, please email me or call me at 831-426-8006. Please register directly with Esalen at 831-667-3005 or at www.esalen.org ELLEN BASS's most recent book of poems, The Human Line, was published by Copper Canyon Press in June 2007. She co-edited (with Florence Howe) the groundbreaking No More Masks! An Anthology of Poems by Women (Doubleday, 1973), has published several volumes of poetry, including Mules of Love (BOA, 2002) which won the Lambda Literary Award. Her poems have appeared in many magazines, including The Atlantic, The Progressive, The American Poetry Review, The New Republic, The Kenyon Review, and The Sun. She was awarded the Elliston Book Award for Poetry from the University of Cincinnati, Nimrod/Hardman?s Pablo Neruda Prize, The Missouri Review?s Larry Levis Award, the Greensboro Poetry Prize, the New Letters Poetry Prize, the Chautauqua Poetry Prize, a Pushcart Prize, and a Fellowship from the California Arts Council. She is also co-author of Free Your Mind: The Book for Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Youth (HarperCollins 1996) and The Courage to Heal: A Guide for Women Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse (Harper Collins 1988, 2008), which has sold over a million copies and has been translated into ten languages. She teaches in many beautiful locations and at Pacific University's MFA Program in Oregon. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > website features arcane words that are well on their way out of use. Many > are no longer found in dictionaries... > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 17:36:03 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:36:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] words fallen by the wayside In-Reply-To: References: <8CD555DA5ABBFC2-193C-2985D@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Long Play Agonyelite ten cent store boscaresque adopted, they clap your hands if you do it incredible On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:14 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Terrific. This will keep me busy for days and weeks and months, though > I'll likely remember less than half the words. Or more. > > - Jim > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > >> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/11/09/131201940/save-the-words >> >> Here at NPR we deal all day, every day with words, written and spoken. >> >> We try to avoid flosculation (embellishment or ornament) or blateration >> (blabber), but we?re kind of suckers for a good story about the English >> language. >> >> When we came across savethewords.org, we knew we had found one. The >> website features arcane words that are well on their way out of use. Many >> are no longer found in dictionaries... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 17:39:37 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:39:37 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] words fallen by the wayside In-Reply-To: References: <8CD555DA5ABBFC2-193C-2985D@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Delicious, no? - Jim, idly On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Long Play > Agonyelite > ten cent store > boscaresque > > adopted, they clap your hands if you do it > incredible > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:14 PM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Terrific. This will keep me busy for days and weeks and months, though >> I'll likely remember less than half the words. Or more. >> >> - Jim >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: >> >>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/11/09/131201940/save-the-words >>> >>> Here at NPR we deal all day, every day with words, written and spoken. >>> >>> We try to avoid flosculation (embellishment or ornament) or blateration >>> (blabber), but we?re kind of suckers for a good story about the English >>> language. >>> >>> When we came across savethewords.org, we knew we had found one. The >>> website features arcane words that are well on their way out of use. Many >>> are no longer found in dictionaries... >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 17:54:45 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:54:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] words fallen by the wayside In-Reply-To: References: <8CD555DA5ABBFC2-193C-2985D@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: look at what I wrote, *they clap your hands...* I think I must go to sleep, night from here. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:39 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Delicious, no? > > - Jim, idly > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Long Play >> Agonyelite >> ten cent store >> boscaresque >> >> adopted, they clap your hands if you do it >> incredible >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:14 PM, James Cervantes < >> cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Terrific. This will keep me busy for days and weeks and months, though >>> I'll likely remember less than half the words. Or more. >>> >>> - Jim >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/11/09/131201940/save-the-words >>>> >>>> Here at NPR we deal all day, every day with words, written and spoken. >>>> >>>> We try to avoid flosculation (embellishment or ornament) or blateration >>>> (blabber), but we?re kind of suckers for a good story about the English >>>> language. >>>> >>>> When we came across savethewords.org, we knew we had found one. The >>>> website features arcane words that are well on their way out of use. Many >>>> are no longer found in dictionaries... >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >>> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 14:10:40 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:10:40 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Evolving English at the British Library In-Reply-To: <8CD56E2896D8E72-1B70-9FEE@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD56E2896D8E72-1B70-9FEE@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Here is the old edition of the Nursery Rhymes, well, the Old Nurses Book of Rhymes Jingles & Ditties Edited and Illustrated by Charles H. Bennett with ninety engravings London, Griffith and Farran, 1858 http://www.archive.org/stream/oldnursesbookofr00benn#page/n0/mode/2up On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > http://www.bl.uk/evolvingenglish/ > > In this ground-breaking exhibition, the roots of Old English, slang > dictionaries, medieval manuscripts, advertisements and newspapers from > around the world come together - alongside everyday texts and dialect sound > recordings. Follow the social, cultural and historical influences on the > English language... and see how it?s still evolving today. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com Sat Nov 20 16:55:42 2010 From: robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:55:42 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Evolving English at the British Library In-Reply-To: References: <8CD56E2896D8E72-1B70-9FEE@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There's a plush illustrated book by David Crystal called _Evolving Englishes_ available, based on the exhibition. Tasty stuff, and Crystal is a top-flight specialist in this area. I haven't seen the exhibition yet, but I'm hoping to do so on Monday, and will report when I do. (The porter who checked me out of the Rare Books Room at the BL on Friday was more than a little scathing when he found out I hadn't seen it yet. We got to chatting when he was going through my bags to make sure I wasn't stealing any Rare Books, and came on a CD of English Dialects I'd bought in the BL Shop. After arguing over the extent of what was included -- 160+ dialects, including Scouse, Geordie, and even Scots -- he asked if I'd seen Evolving Englishes yet, and was shocked when I said I hadn't. I said my excuse was I had to get some work done first [on, as it happened at that moment, the various texts surrounding Gentleman Harry, a.k.a. Harry Simms, who was topped at Tyburn in 1747] and I really was going to check it out, honest, before I left London.) So more when I *do* see it. Robin On 20 November 2010 19:10, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Here is the old edition of the Nursery Rhymes, well, the > Old Nurses Book of Rhymes Jingles & Ditties > Edited and Illustrated by > Charles H. Bennett > with ninety engravings > London, Griffith and Farran, 1858 > http://www.archive.org/stream/oldnursesbookofr00benn#page/n0/mode/2up > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > >> http://www.bl.uk/evolvingenglish/ >> >> In this ground-breaking exhibition, the roots of Old English, slang >> dictionaries, medieval manuscripts, advertisements and newspapers from >> around the world come together - alongside everyday texts and dialect sound >> recordings. Follow the social, cultural and historical influences on the >> English language... and see how it?s still evolving today. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Tad Richards To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 11:08 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Growing up Lowell Can't have been a whole lot of fun. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/books/review/Schillinger-t.html?ref=review _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:45:16 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:45:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women's Voices for Change Message-ID: <8CD57DC8542C998-13D4-162ED@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Greetings, Just wanted to mention that I have two poems up at the Women's Voices for Change website. One of which features a little sex. :) Please check them out and, if you feel so inclined, please leave a comment at the web page (it's fast and easy to do). Thanks so much and happy Thanksgiving! http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-serving.htm Millicent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Nov 21 17:33:00 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:33:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women's Voices for Change In-Reply-To: <8CD57DC8542C998-13D4-162ED@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD57DC8542C998-13D4-162ED@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Done it. Good stuff. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Millicent wrote: > Greetings, > > Just wanted to mention that I have two poems up at the Women's Voices for > Change website. One of which features a little sex. > > :) > > Please check them out and, if you feel so inclined, please leave a comment > at the web page (it's fast and easy to do). > > Thanks so much and happy Thanksgiving! > > http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-serving.htm > > Millicent > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sun Nov 21 17:38:33 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women's Voices for Change In-Reply-To: References: <8CD57DC8542C998-13D4-162ED@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD57E3F6AD1671-13D4-16C30@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Tad!!! Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Tad Richards To: NewPoetry List Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Women's Voices for Change Done it. Good stuff. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Millicent wrote: Greetings, Just wanted to mention that I have two poems up at the Women's Voices for Change website. One of which features a little sex. :) Please check them out and, if you feel so inclined, please leave a comment at the web page (it's fast and easy to do). Thanks so much and happy Thanksgiving! http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-serving.htm Millicent _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you enjoy! l My best, l Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum, Founder & Editor l Contact us at AndrewMcFadyenKetchum at PoemoftheWeek.org l Donate to PoemoftheWeek.org at http://poemoftheweek.org/id294.html. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 14:15:32 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:32 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Travel Tales: The Halekulani Writing Contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This message contains graphics. If you do not see the graphics, click here to view . This email was sent to you by The New Yorker Promotion Department. To ensure delivery to your inbox (not bulk or junk folders), please add our email address, thenewyorker at email.newyorker.com, to your address book. [image: The New Yorker :: On the Town] [image: Halekulani] You?re invited to explore special opportunities from *The New Yorker*?s travel advertisers. 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All rights reserved. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 10:24:20 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:24:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] To commemorate the Tennessee Williams's centennial Message-ID: University of East Anglia School of American Studies Celebrating 100 Years of Tennessee Williams (1911-2011) American Identities on Stage: 20th Century American Drama International Postgraduate Conference University of East Anglia, on the 26th of March 2011. Call For Papers To commemorate the Tennessee Williams's centennial, the School of American Studies at the University of East Anglia, will host a one-day international conference on 26 March 2011, focusing on theatrical representations of American identities. The invited keynote speaker is Professor Stephen Bottoms (University of Leeds). On the day of Tennessee Williams's 100th birthday, the 20th Century American Drama International Postgraduate Conference looks to revisit the theatre produced in the last century, considering a plurality of approaches from literary to theatre and performance studies, film, gender and GLBTQ studies, reflecting on the most recent critical and academic canon. Stressing the importance of Tennessee Williams, the conference hopes to be an international point of intersection for all those interested in Williams's work and 20th century American drama in general. Topics of individual talks or collective panel discussions might include, but are not limited to: - Identity authenticity, representation, construction, and performativity; - Identity permanence, plurality, multiplicity, fluidity, and fragmentation; - Private versus public identity; - Identity and the other; - Dissidence and identity; - Selfhood and identity; - Identity now and then; - Identity and identification; - Aspects of/informing identity, such as age, class, culture, gender, politics, race, religion, and sexuality; - Theoretically inflected discussions of identity (Psychoanalytic, Feminist, Queer, etc.); - Contesting/Subverting prescribed identity constructions. The conference will commence with a plenary speech, followed by the different panels, and will conclude with a round table discussion, which will consider themes arising from the day. Please send a titled abstract between 200-300 words (for 20-minute paper presentations) and a brief CV to f.costa at uea.ac.uk by 17 December 2010. For more information on the conference, please visit http://100yearsoftennesseewilliams.wordpress.com or http://www.uea.ac.uk/ams/eventsnews. -------------------------------------------------- Francisco Costa Associate Tutor (American Literature) Ph.D. Candidate (American Literature) School of American Studies University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ UK Email: f.costa at uea.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)1603-592280 (School Office) Fax: +44 (0)1603-507728 Mobile: +44 (0)7847598054 -------------------------------------------------- -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 23 10:49:47 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:49:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Marjorie Agosin at UC Santa Barbara Message-ID: <8CD593D308CC51A-1410-E3DE@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> http://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2010/11/honored-human-rights-activist-and-poet-shares-perspective-on-arts Agosin said she had always been interested in writing from other peoples? perspectives, including people she has observed, which she called the ?poetry of witness,? or historical figures. Agosin has also written collections of poems from the perspectives of her father and mother. 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James Biear, the one-time chauffeur and personal assistant of 81-year-old poet and Pulitzer fortune heir Kenward Elmslie, was convicted Monday by a federal jury in Manhattan of stealing more than $3 million from his employer, as well as several important artworks. According to a statement released by the Department of Justice, the purloined art included Andy Warhol's "Heinz 57," a sculpture made to look like a box of ketchup bottles, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 24 09:38:32 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Local Wonders: A play (about Ted Kooser) with songs Message-ID: <8CD59FC67307747-828-338F@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> http://www.pioneerlocal.com/hinsdale/entertainment/2908572,doings-diamandes-112410-s1.article "It's a play with songs," Amandes, of Oak Park, said. Rather than tell the story, Amandes said the songs he wrote for "Local Wonders" help to carry the story of former poet laureate and Pulitzer winner Ted Kooser along. Anne Hills and Paul Amandes, of Oak Park, star in the Chicago premiere of Local Wonders. That story is of a poet, unknown by many but a rock star in the poetry world, whose poems tell a story of despair, new hope and survival. "Local Wonders" is adapted from one of Kooser's many books, "Local Wonders; Seasons in the Bohemian Alps." Facing mortality Not only is the adaptation a showcase of Kooser's work, it also is a journey through one of the more difficult times in his life. Just as Kooser begins to find success and recognition as a poet, he is forced to face his own mortality when he is diagnosed with cancer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 24 16:49:15 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:49:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] EBM Message-ID: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Just before going bye-bye the codex book reaches its apotheosis... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 17:01:42 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:01:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] EBM In-Reply-To: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: An interim technology, until it's all kindle. At 04:49 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: >Just before going bye-bye the codex book reaches its apotheosis... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Wed Nov 24 17:14:11 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:14:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] EBM In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD5A3C0E55CAC2-11DC-9CE9@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> I love my Kindle, but I find that I ONLY use it when I travel. It's perfect for loading books up for long flights and residencies. But, at home, sitting on my couch or in bed or outside on my deck, I still like real books better. Of course I am sure the world is heading towards electronic texts only, as more and more libraries around the world are moving books and microfilm and publications into permanent storage. But, still, it might be quite sometime before there is a complete change-over. Like videos. Video on demand, the technology was there before the first VCR or BETA appeared in the marketplace, but, yet, for a good twenty or thirty years mom and pop places and Blockbuster made small fortunes on video stores where people could shop and pick up some popcorn. And Netflix made a bloody fortune in mailing DVDs until the public finally started to embrace movies on demand and Hula and You Tube. Or, books could become art objects. The same way paintings did not become obsolete when photography was invented. Their purpose just shifted. Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] EBM An interim technology, until it's all kindle. At 04:49 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: Just before going bye-bye the codex book reaches its apotheosis... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 17:30:08 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] EBM In-Reply-To: <8CD5A3C0E55CAC2-11DC-9CE9@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> <8CD5A3C0E55CAC2-11DC-9CE9@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Right, obsolete technology becomes luxury. Like letter-press books or riding horses. The delays in the technologies you mention had to do for the most part with rights. I'm not condoning this, just seeing it as inevitable. And it follows the usual pattern that the new medium brings more and cheaper access, at the cost of habitual ways of reciving information. Electronic books will probably change the way people read and in turn the way people write. One more piece of the world that I won't live to see becoming a different place. Best, Mark At 05:14 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: >I love my Kindle, but I find that I ONLY use it >when I travel. It's perfect for loading books >up for long flights and residencies. But, at >home, sitting on my couch or in bed or outside >on my deck, I still like real books better. Of >course I am sure the world is heading towards >electronic texts only, as more and more >libraries around the world are moving books and >microfilm and publications into permanent >storage. But, still, it might be quite sometime >before there is a complete change-over. Like >videos. Video on demand, the technology was >there before the first VCR or BETA appeared in >the marketplace, but, yet, for a good twenty or >thirty years mom and pop places and Blockbuster >made small fortunes on video stores where people >could shop and pick up some popcorn. And >Netflix made a bloody fortune in mailing DVDs >until the public finally started to embrace >movies on demand and Hula and You Tube. > >Or, books could become art objects. The same >way paintings did not become obsolete when >photography was invented. Their purpose just shifted. > >Millicent >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:01 pm >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] EBM > >An interim technology, until it's all kindle. > >At 04:49 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: >>Just before going bye-bye the codex book reaches its apotheosis... >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. >$16. Order from >http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > >"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a >lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the >poet alive in every sense of the word, and >through every one of his senses. Instead of >missing a beat or a part, Weiss??? fragments are >like Chekhov???s short stories?the more that >gets left out, the more they seem to contain >One can hear echoess from all the various >ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its >core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the >fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a >pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not >only innto a mind, but a person, a personality, >this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." > >M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. >http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Wed Nov 24 17:36:36 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:36:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] EBM In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5A38929DA1BC-1678-3AB5@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com><8CD5A3C0E55CAC2-11DC-9CE9@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD5A3F2FDB187A-11DC-A1EE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> I keep thinking of that movie Idiocrasy-- Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] EBM Right, obsolete technology becomes luxury. Like letter-press books or riding horses. The delays in the technologies you mention had to do for the most part with rights. I'm not condoning this, just seeing it as inevitable. And it follows the usual pattern that the new medium brings more and cheaper access, at the cost of habitual ways of reciving information. Electronic books will probably change the way people read and in turn the way people write. One more piece of the world that I won't live to see becoming a different place. Best, Mark At 05:14 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: I love my Kindle, but I find that I ONLY use it when I travel. It's perfect for loading books up for long flights and residencies. But, at home, sitting on my couch or in bed or outside on my deck, I still like real books better. Of course I am sure the world is heading towards electronic texts only, as more and more libraries around the world are moving books and microfilm and publications into permanent storage. But, still, it might be quite sometime before there is a complete change-over. Like videos. Video on demand, the technology was there before the first VCR or BETA appeared in the marketplace, but, yet, for a good twenty or thirty years mom and pop places and Blockbuster made small fortunes on video stores where people could shop and pick up some popcorn. And Netflix made a bloody fortune in mailing DVDs until the public finally started to embrace movies on demand and Hula and You Tube. Or, books could become art objects. The same way paintings did not become obsolete when photography was invented. Their purpose just shifted. Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] EBM An interim technology, until it's all kindle. At 04:49 PM 11/24/2010, you wrote: Just before going bye-bye the codex book reaches its apotheosis... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss??? fragments are like Chekhov???s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoess from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only innto a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Nov 24 18:19:10 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:19:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name Message-ID: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/11/tom-waits-poet.html The poetry of musician Tom Waits will see publication next year in the book "Hard Ground," published by the University of Texas Press. "Hard Ground" is a collaboration with photojournalist Michael O'Brien and will be a visual and poetic look at homelessness. It is not the first time Waits' poetry has appeared in print (even if NME says it is). Waits attended a poetry workshop at Beyond Baroque, the literary center in Venice, Calif. A poem he read there -- an early version of "Diamonds on My Windshield" -- was printed in the Sunset Palms Hotel, an occasional early '70s 'zine (the cover featured a line drawing by Charles Bukowski). But don't call him a poet. In a 1975 interview with the Los Angeles Free Press (dug up by TwentyFourBit), Waits said, "I don't like the stigma that comes with being called a poet." = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Nov 25 11:18:46 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:18:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name In-Reply-To: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I am a poet. And don't call me Shirley. On 11/24/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/11/tom-waits-poet.html > > The poetry of musician Tom Waits will see publication next year in the book > "Hard Ground," published by the University of Texas Press. "Hard Ground" is > a collaboration with photojournalist Michael O'Brien and will be a visual > and poetic look at homelessness. > > It is not the first time Waits' poetry has appeared in print (even if NME > says it is). Waits attended a poetry workshop at Beyond Baroque, the > literary center in Venice, Calif. A poem he read there -- an early version > of "Diamonds on My Windshield" -- was printed in the Sunset Palms Hotel, an > occasional early '70s 'zine (the cover featured a line drawing by Charles > Bukowski). > > But don't call him a poet. In a 1975 interview with the Los Angeles Free > Press (dug up by TwentyFourBit), Waits said, "I don't like the stigma that > comes with being called a poet." > > = > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Nov 25 11:27:32 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:32 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I like the stigma. I try to never wash it off or never let it heal . . . whatever one does in the care and feeding of stigma. - Jim On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > I am a poet. And don't call me Shirley. > > On 11/24/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/11/tom-waits-poet.html > > > > The poetry of musician Tom Waits will see publication next year in the > book > > "Hard Ground," published by the University of Texas Press. "Hard Ground" > is > > a collaboration with photojournalist Michael O'Brien and will be a > visual > > and poetic look at homelessness. > > > > It is not the first time Waits' poetry has appeared in print (even if NME > > says it is). Waits attended a poetry workshop at Beyond Baroque, the > > literary center in Venice, Calif. A poem he read there -- an early > version > > of "Diamonds on My Windshield" -- was printed in the Sunset Palms Hotel, > an > > occasional early '70s 'zine (the cover featured a line drawing by Charles > > Bukowski). > > > > But don't call him a poet. In a 1975 interview with the Los Angeles Free > > Press (dug up by TwentyFourBit), Waits said, "I don't like the stigma > that > > comes with being called a poet." > > > > = > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Nov 25 11:44:03 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:44:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Aloe is a touchstone, try to believe. On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:27 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > I like the stigma. I try to never wash it off or never let it heal . . . > whatever one does in the care and feeding of stigma. > > - Jim > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > >> I am a poet. And don't call me Shirley. >> >> On 11/24/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> > >> > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/11/tom-waits-poet.html >> > >> > The poetry of musician Tom Waits will see publication next year in the >> book >> > "Hard Ground," published by the University of Texas Press. "Hard Ground" >> is >> > a collaboration with photojournalist Michael O'Brien and will be a >> visual >> > and poetic look at homelessness. >> > >> > It is not the first time Waits' poetry has appeared in print (even if >> NME >> > says it is). Waits attended a poetry workshop at Beyond Baroque, the >> > literary center in Venice, Calif. A poem he read there -- an early >> version >> > of "Diamonds on My Windshield" -- was printed in the Sunset Palms >> Hotel, an >> > occasional early '70s 'zine (the cover featured a line drawing by >> Charles >> > Bukowski). >> > >> > But don't call him a poet. In a 1975 interview with the Los Angeles Free >> > Press (dug up by TwentyFourBit), Waits said, "I don't like the stigma >> that >> > comes with being called a poet." >> > >> > = >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Stigma-schmigma, the word for Waits is "genius," now how cutely would he shuffle off that? beyond opinion, Barry > From almaginnes at aol.com Thu Nov 25 13:51:53 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:51:53 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] reverence for Waits Message-ID: <2121517040-1290711115-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-591802142-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No, call me Al. ------Original Message------ From: Barry Spacks Sender: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ReplyTo: NewPoetry List Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] reverence for Waits Sent: Nov 25, 2010 12:17 PM On Nov 25, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > > don't call me Shirley. call me Al. Stigma-schmigma, the word for Waits is "genius," now how cutely would he shuffle off that? beyond opinion, Barry > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From barry.spacks at verizon.net Fri Nov 26 12:05:25 2010 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:05:25 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] call me Al In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 26, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Al wrote: > No, call me Al. deeply funny! B From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Nov 26 15:44:28 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:44:28 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forward Press Message-ID: Forward Press claimed to be the largest publisher of new poetry in the world and was formed by managing director and aspiring poet Ian Walton in 1989. Companies House also lists Rosie Walton as a director. http://www.printweek.com/printbuying/news/1042509/Forward-Press-ceases-trade-100-staff-redundant/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Winners > include Kathleen Graber, Joshua Mehigan, Maggie Nelson, Allison Titus and > Cecilia Woloch... > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No problem: I've just won 11 games of Freecell in a row. --Bob From millb at aol.com Fri Nov 26 22:16:38 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:16:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] NEAs in Poetry In-Reply-To: <4CF077AC.3010507@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD5BC467DD359D-1798-2492D@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <4CF077AC.3010507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CD5BF8A3CB0DB5-1D50-12781@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> There are a lot of fine poets on this list. And I was grateful for my NEA when I got one. It is an important award for poetry and one of the last, if not only, government sponsorships for the arts, for individual writers. I am so happy for the winners!!! Good work poets!! And congratulations. Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Fri, Nov 26, 2010 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NEAs in Poetry Nothing like a list of 42 poets I've never heard of getting $25,000 apiece, which is approximately 12 times as much as I've gotten for my poetry in 50 years or so. No problem: I've just won 11 games of Freecell in a row. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But they prove, with all the other poets whose prizes James so frequently tells us about, that I've wasted my life doing something I'm no good at. Surely you can't blame me for being unhappy about that? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Nov 27 12:09:49 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:09:49 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] NEAs in Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CD5C668F87B160-A10-2A427@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5BC467DD359D-1798-2492D@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><4CF077AC.3010507@nut-n-but.net><8CD5BF8A3CB0DB5-1D50-12781@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> <4CF0F1B6.8020304@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5C668F87B160-A10-2A427@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I stopped applying for NEAs many years back. Never got one, needless to say, and the application process was painful even then. One year I was rejected a bit earlier than I had expected. Then I realized I had been rejected in Photography, which was a neat trick, since I had not applied in that category. I share a name with a pretty well known photographer, to mention an expert on New Zealand fisheries, an author of mysteries, and a famous murderer in Texas. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:23 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > Personally I think anyone who finished that goddamn application should have gotten a couple hundred bucks for the trouble. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:50 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NEAs in Poetry > > > There are a lot of fine poets on this list. > > Oh, I'm sure all 42 are brilliant, chosen by certified experts in the evaluation of poetry, Millicent. But they prove, with all the other poets whose prizes James so frequently tells us about, that I've wasted my life doing something I'm no good at. Surely you can't blame me for being unhappy about that? > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From tad at opus40.org Sat Nov 27 13:16:25 2010 From: tad at opus40.org (Tad Richards) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:16:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] NEAs in Poetry In-Reply-To: <4CF077AC.3010507@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD5BC467DD359D-1798-2492D@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <4CF077AC.3010507@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob -- this should be a refreshing change for you. Normally you complain about awards being won by poets you have heard of. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Nothing like a list of 42 poets I've never heard of getting $25,000 apiece, > which is approximately 12 times as much as I've gotten for my poetry in 50 > years or so. No problem: I've just won 11 games of Freecell in a row. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 13:52:19 2010 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:52:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5A45213FE68F-F30-A6EF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <531605.32402.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yeah. jim carroll & tom waits. 2 great/ musician poets. & i've lost track of waits, the one still living ... ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry List Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 11:44:03 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Waits, poet by any other name Aloe is a touchstone, try to believe. On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:27 PM, James Cervantes wrote: I like the stigma. I try to never wash it off or never let it heal . . . whatever one does in the care and feeding of stigma. > > >- Jim > > > >On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tad Richards wrote: > >I am a poet. And don't call me Shirley. >> >>On 11/24/10, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/11/tom-waits-poet.html >>> >>> The poetry of musician Tom Waits will see publication next year in the book >>> "Hard Ground," published by the University of Texas Press. "Hard Ground" is >>> a collaboration with photojournalist Michael O'Brien and will be a visual >>> and poetic look at homelessness. >>> >>> It is not the first time Waits' poetry has appeared in print (even if NME >>> says it is). Waits attended a poetry workshop at Beyond Baroque, the >>> literary center in Venice, Calif. A poem he read there -- an early version >>> of "Diamonds on My Windshield" -- was printed in the Sunset Palms Hotel, an >>> occasional early '70s 'zine (the cover featured a line drawing by Charles >>> Bukowski). >>> >>> But don't call him a poet. In a 1975 interview with the Los Angeles Free >>> Press (dug up by TwentyFourBit), Waits said, "I don't like the stigma that >>> comes with being called a poet." >>> >>> = >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > >-- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I was almost going to mention that but thought it'd mess with my whining tone. --Bob From millb at aol.com Sat Nov 27 23:58:38 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:58:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Three poems Message-ID: <8CD5CD00DC471C4-D14-2FBC4@webmail-d016.sysops.aol.com> Greetings, Three poems and a video of my poetry reading at Texas Tech in Lubbock are up at Women's Voices for Change! Please check out the site and leave a comment if you can. I'd so appreciate it. http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-paying-attention-and-listening-video.htm Take care, Mill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't see the latest as part of the set--at > least not yet. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Nov 28 12:30:03 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern Message-ID: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> http://therumpus.net/2010/11/the-rumpus-interview-with-gerald-stern/ The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern Adrienne Davich ? November 15th, 2010 There?s a black and white photo in which the poet Stanley Kunitz lovingly holds Gerald Stern?s cheeks in both hands. It?s 1990. 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But it's not always easy to look through his eyes: Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/entertainment/books/20101128__The_Bodies_Beneath_the_Table___A_poet_s_portraits__colored_by_Vietnam.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Nov 28 13:38:16 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:38:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] 4 In-Reply-To: <4CF28242.8040404@nut-n-but.net> References: <4CF28242.8040404@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4CF2A198.5020708@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 11:24 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I extremely like the latest of the four but the other three are > effective, too, especially as a set. I don't see the latest as part > of the set--at least not yet. This was a response to Anny's Images for her father. The Subject didn't indicate that, I later noticed. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 13:59:34 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:59:34 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] 4 In-Reply-To: <4CF2A198.5020708@nut-n-but.net> References: <4CF28242.8040404@nut-n-but.net> <4CF2A198.5020708@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Thank you very much to Bob and Skip. Honored. Anny On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > On 11/28/2010 11:24 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> I extremely like the latest of the four but the other three are effective, >> too, especially as a set. I don't see the latest as part of the set--at >> least not yet. >> > This was a response to Anny's Images for her father. The Subject didn't > indicate that, I later noticed. > > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It???s 1990. >>They???re looking into one another, and Kunitz >>says, ???You???re the wilderness in American poetry.??? >>? >Almost perfect epitomization of the >deadheadedness of the American Poetry >Establishment for the past fifty years.? > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Nov 28 18:58:49 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:58:49 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> On Nov 28, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern >> Adrienne Davich ? November 15th, 2010 >> >> There?s a black and white photo in which the poet Stanley Kunitz lovingly holds Gerald Stern?s cheeks in both hands. It?s 1990. They?re looking into one another, and Kunitz says, ?You?re the wilderness in American poetry.? >> > Almost perfect epitomization of the deadheadedness of the American Poetry Establishment for the past fifty years. > > --Bob ========================== I really have no idea what you mean, Bob. Are you complaining about the silliness of Kunitz's opinion, Stern's poetry itself, Adrienne Davich's use of the example, the little homoerotic moment described ---or just making your standard complaint that mainstream publications cover mainstream poetry? Oh never mind, I know which one it is. . . . Stern really is a strange poet in many ways, and his work would be worth discussing, in my opinion. But one would have to read it first, I suppose. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 19:07:07 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:07:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that assumption of lack of familiarity too broadly. In a world that includes the various groups once gathered in The New American Poets (not to mention others usually included in American poetry, like Whitman, Dickinson, both Cranes, Stevens, etc). Stern seems a pretty tame pony. It's a pretty big wilderness, but that's not where Stern grazes. Which is not the same as saying he's a lousy poet. Best, Mark At 06:58 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: >On Nov 28, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >>The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern >>>Adrienne Davich ? November 15th, 2010 >>> >>>There?s a black and white photo in which the >>>poet Stanley Kunitz lovingly holds Gerald >>>Stern?s cheeks in both hands. It?s 1990. >>>They?re looking into one another, and Kunitz >>>says, ?You?re the wilderness in American poetry.? >>> >>Almost perfect epitomization of the >>deadheadedness of the American Poetry Establishment for the past fifty years. >> >>--Bob >========================== > >I really have no idea what you mean, Bob. Are >you complaining about the silliness of Kunitz's >opinion, Stern's poetry itself, Adrienne >Davich's use of the example, the little >homoerotic moment described ---or just making >your standard complaint that mainstream publications cover mainstream poetry? > >Oh never mind, I know which one it is. . . . > >Stern really is a strange poet in many ways, and >his work would be worth discussing, in my >opinion. But one would have to read it first, I suppose. > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was Bob I was tweaking for his habit of pronouncing loudly and often about books and poets he admits he hasn't read much of. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that assumption of lack of familiarity too broadly. In a world that includes the various groups once gathered in The New American Poets (not to mention others usually included in American poetry, like Whitman, Dickinson, both Cranes, Stevens, etc). Stern seems a pretty tame pony. It's a pretty big wilderness, but that's not where Stern grazes. Which is not the same as saying he's a lousy poet. > > Best, > > Mark > > At 06:58 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: >> On Nov 28, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern >>>> Adrienne Davich ? November 15th, 2010 >>>> >>>> There?s a black and white photo in which the poet Stanley Kunitz lovingly holds Gerald Stern?s cheeks in both hands. It?s 1990. They?re looking into one another, and Kunitz says, ?You?re the wilderness in American poetry.? >>>> >>> Almost perfect epitomization of the deadheadedness of the American Poetry Establishment for the past fifty years. >>> >>> --Bob >> ========================== >> >> I really have no idea what you mean, Bob. Are you complaining about the silliness of Kunitz's opinion, Stern's poetry itself, Adrienne Davich's use of the example, the little homoerotic moment described ---or just making your standard complaint that mainstream publications cover mainstream poetry? >> >> Oh never mind, I know which one it is. . . . >> >> Stern really is a strange poet in many ways, and his work would be worth discussing, in my opinion. But one would have to read it first, I suppose. >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 19:24:28 2010 From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:24:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I like a lot of Stern's poetry, but I honestly don't see anything wildernessy about it. He strikes me as very much a poet of the suburbs and nice, safe poetry parties. Kunitz's comment strikes me one of those bits of flattery that all the white male guys lap right up. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, I know that sounds mean.... Suzanne On Nov 28, 2010 7:11 PM, "David Graham" wrote: If you say so, Mark, but that's not a pointless argument I'm prepared to enter today, at least. For the record, I have no doubt you're well read. It was Bob I was tweaking for his habit of pronouncing loudly and often about books and poets he admits he hasn't read much of. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me... On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that ... _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 19:34:01 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:34:01 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Thumbs up on this, Suzanne. - Jim On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > I like a lot of Stern's poetry, but I honestly don't see anything > wildernessy about it. He strikes me as very much a poet of the suburbs and > nice, safe poetry parties. > > Kunitz's comment strikes me one of those bits of flattery that all the > white male guys lap right up. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, I know > that sounds mean.... > > Suzanne > > On Nov 28, 2010 7:11 PM, "David Graham" wrote: > > If you say so, Mark, but that's not a pointless argument I'm prepared to > enter today, at least. > > For the record, I have no doubt you're well read. It was Bob I was > tweaking for his habit of pronouncing loudly and often about books and poets > he admits he hasn't read much of. > > ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.eduHome Page: > http://web.me... > > On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't know about Bob, > but I wouldn't apply that ... > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 19:24:28 2010 From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:24:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I like a lot of Stern's poetry, but I honestly don't see anything wildernessy about it. He strikes me as very much a poet of the suburbs and nice, safe poetry parties. Kunitz's comment strikes me one of those bits of flattery that all the white male guys lap right up. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, I know that sounds mean.... Suzanne On Nov 28, 2010 7:11 PM, "David Graham" wrote: If you say so, Mark, but that's not a pointless argument I'm prepared to enter today, at least. For the record, I have no doubt you're well read. It was Bob I was tweaking for his habit of pronouncing loudly and often about books and poets he admits he hasn't read much of. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me... On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that ... _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 19:55:26 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:55:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> <4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net> <03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C33012298C0E@ripon.edu> <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Also women of all shapes and colors. Flattery is a universal language. At 07:24 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: >I like a lot of Stern's poetry, but I honestly >don't see anything wildernessy about it. He >strikes me as very much a poet of the suburbs and nice, safe poetry parties. > >Kunitz's comment strikes me one of those bits of >flattery that all the white male guys lap right >up. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, I know that sounds mean.... > >Suzanne > >>On Nov 28, 2010 7:11 PM, "David Graham" >><grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote: >> >>If you say so, Mark, but that's not a pointless >>argument I'm prepared to enter today, at least. >> >>For the record, I have no doubt you're well >>read. It was Bob I was tweaking for his habit >>of pronouncing loudly and often about books and >>poets he admits he hasn't read much of. >> >>======================================== David >>Graham >>grahamd at ripon.edu >>Home Page: http://web.me... >> >>On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mark Weiss >>wrote: > I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that ... >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Nov 28 20:25:59 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:25:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com><4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net><03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C330 12298C0E@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4CF30127.80408@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 7:07 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't know about Bob, but I wouldn't apply that assumption of lack > of familiarity too broadly. In a world that includes the various > groups once gathered in The New American Poets (not to mention others > usually included in American poetry, like Whitman, Dickinson, both > Cranes, Stevens, etc). Stern seems a pretty tame pony. It's a pretty > big wilderness, but that's not where Stern grazes. Which is not the > same as saying he's a lousy poet. > > Best, > > Mark Right. I may have falsely assumed Kunitz meant Stern was the wild man of American poetry as a poet. And, true, the remark, taken that way, so neatly represents the Wilshberian narrowness of people like Kunitz who represented/represent the American Poetry Establishment, I couldn't resist my standard response. I thought Kunitz a quite good poet but detrimental to the advance of American Poetry, probably out of sheer ignorance. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Nov 28 20:29:07 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:29:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com><4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net><03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C330 12298C0E@ripon.edu> <156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4CF301E3.4010004@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 7:11 PM, David Graham wrote: > If you say so, Mark, but that's not a pointless argument I'm prepared > to enter today, at least. > > For the record, I have no doubt you're well read. It was Bob I was > tweaking for his habit of pronouncing loudly and often about books and > poets he admits he hasn't read much of. My loud pronouncement was only on what Kunitz said. Although I certainly often pronounce on work I haven't read but know quite well, anyway, because of a secret gift I have. --Bob --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Nov 28 20:30:14 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:30:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Rumpus Interview with Gerald Stern In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5D3906B377F0-16DC-340B3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com><4CF2EB5C.9020401@nut-n-but.net><03378259-370E-4F3D-92B1-C330 12298C0E@ripon.edu><156B8A0F-2822-44CF-9A38-551972975AB9@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4CF30226.4090608@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 7:24 PM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > > I like a lot of Stern's poetry, but I honestly don't see anything > wildernessy about it. He strikes me as very much a poet of the suburbs > and nice, safe poetry parties. > > Kunitz's comment strikes me one of those bits of flattery that all the > white male guys lap right up. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, > I know that sounds mean.... > > Suzanne > Maybe Kunitz was being sarcastic? --Bob From barry.spacks at verizon.net Sun Nov 28 20:05:26 2010 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:05:26 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> Kunitz won every honor out there but Lowell never gave up asserting that he lacked recognition. As to his knowledge of poetry, it was encyclopedic. I reverence the man and his example, and since my poem about him isn't the sort that will ever get published (not even in Iowa) I thought to impose on the list to show it here, now that the Master's name has come to our attention (and is being mildly vilified). cheer up, Bob, Barry VISITING STANLEY KUNITZ The September 1st 2003 issue of the New Yorker had an article in there about the poet Stanley Kunitz but it finished without a single word as to how Stanley was so nice and encouraging to me. I'd written him a fan note, wowed by his translations from Ahkmatova, and he wrote back saying hey, come visit in Provincetown. When I got there he was working in his famous garden. We both paused to smell the roses. His then wife, a blondie, much younger, you could see how proud Kunitz was of her, giving off that kind of smirk of the well-fixed poet, because all that matters to poets (face it) is sexual vibrancy, providing the honey-vinegar in their poems. This wife, whose name I'm sorry to say I do not remember, painted paintings on glass, on large sheets of glass. Stanley and I talked po'biz; then we talked poetry, agreed that the avant-guarde's presumption in smirching true poets with the dowdy label "mainstream" should send the perpetrators directly back to the end of the line. We puzzled a bit over the need (of male poets, anyway) to desire to undress every sweetie in sight, concluding that the energy involved in making anything new was like the sperm's feeling as it comes around the bend into the homestretch. We shared tea and cookies and a certain amount of learned reference (none of which -- oddly -- turns up in the New Yorker essay) plus how I appreciated the stirring painter-Muse of aging Kunitz, she with her art you could see through like a transparent dress. From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Nov 28 21:59:38 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:59:38 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> One interesting link between Stanley Kunitz and Gerald Stern is that they both had to wait a long time for recognition, and thus to join the world of the Poetry Establishment. Both eventually enjoyed what seem to us like long and laurel-filled careers, but both were in their fifties before they became well known. Kunitz won the Pulitzer in 1959 when he was 54 years old; and Stern's first major press book, *Lucky Life*, appeared in 1977, when he was 52 (he had a couple minuscule press pamphlets prior to that). *Lucky Life*'s back flap informs us that Gerald Stern was teaching then at Somerset County College in New Jersey--not exactly the Iowa Writers Workshop at that point. We look back now and think of them both, perhaps, as quintessential insiders, but that's at least an oversimplification. And each one, I think, carried the mindset of the outsider into the academy, when they finally made their marks there. Not sure that any of this has much to do with the work, of course. In any case, Kunitz was highly revered by poets like Roethke, Lowell, Kinnell, Rukeyser, and many younger figures; and served himself as a kind of father figure to many generations of younger writers. I for one am not inclined to dismiss him too readily. And I very much agree with Barry that about the art of poetry his knowledge of poetry seemed encyclopedic--at least if we're talking about the whole history of poetry, and not just the skirmishes of our own times. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sun Nov 28 22:06:10 2010 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 21:06:10 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pinsky on Kunitz Message-ID: <63448D24-1930-4F03-A1C1-057A2821A91B@ripon.edu> In case anyone's still interested in remembering Stanley Kunitz, here's a brief article Robert Pinsky wrote when Kunitz died, at age 100. http://www.slate.com/id/2141886/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 22:29:41 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:29:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pinsky on Kunitz In-Reply-To: <63448D24-1930-4F03-A1C1-057A2821A91B@ripon.edu> References: <63448D24-1930-4F03-A1C1-057A2821A91B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I remember him as a very nice man and an ok poet whose work didn't do that much for me. He also ran a workshop in PTown that a lot of poets found useful. I think what I read as your resentment is misplaced. I don't know that anyone is treating Kunitz' memory badly, and he certainly died full of honors. What does it matter that he didn't receive enthusiastic universal approbation? He certainly got his share. Best, Mark At 10:06 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: >In case anyone's still interested in remembering >Stanley Kunitz, here's a brief article Robert >Pinsky wrote when Kunitz died, at age 100. > >http://www.slate.com/id/2141886/ > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 23:54:11 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:54:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> Message-ID: He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his right. At 09:59 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: >One interesting link between Stanley Kunitz and >Gerald Stern is that they both had to wait a >long time for recognition, and thus to join the >world of the Poetry Establishment. Both >eventually enjoyed what seem to us like long and >laurel-filled careers, but both were in their >fifties before they became well known. > >Kunitz won the Pulitzer in 1959 when he was 54 >years old; and Stern's first major press book, >*Lucky Life*, appeared in 1977, when he was 52 >(he had a couple minuscule press pamphlets prior >to that). *Lucky Life*'s back flap informs us >that Gerald Stern was teaching then at Somerset >County College in New Jersey--not exactly the >Iowa Writers Workshop at that point. > >We look back now and think of them both, >perhaps, as quintessential insiders, but that's >at least an oversimplification. And each one, I >think, carried the mindset of the outsider into >the academy, when they finally made their marks there. > >Not sure that any of this has much to do with >the work, of course. In any case, Kunitz was >highly revered by poets like Roethke, Lowell, >Kinnell, Rukeyser, and many younger figures; and >served himself as a kind of father figure to >many generations of younger writers. > >I for one am not inclined to dismiss him too >readily. And I very much agree with Barry that >about the art of poetry his knowledge of poetry >seemed encyclopedic--at least if we're talking >about the whole history of poetry, and not just >the skirmishes of our own times. > > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The encyclopedias think Wilshberia is the whole of poetry, too. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 06:07:48 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:07:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4CF38984.2040709@nut-n-but.net> Ooops, My last was to Barry. I thought my cyrsor was on the post below Barry's, which was from David. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 06:09:32 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:09:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4CF389EC.8010804@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 9:59 PM, David Graham wrote: > One interesting link between Stanley Kunitz and Gerald Stern is that they both had to wait a long time for recognition, and thus to join the world of the Poetry Establishment. I know this is trivial, but you don't have to be recognized to be part of the Poetry Establishment, just keep in Wilshberia as a poet and commentator on poetry. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 06:12:33 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:12:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As > was his right. How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 06:56:17 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:56:17 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sharon Olds on the Almanac Message-ID: His Stillness by Sharon Olds The doctor said to my father, "You asked me to tell you when nothing more could be done. That's what I'm telling you now." My father sat quite still, as he always did, especially not moving his eyes. I had thought he would rave if he understood he would die, wave his arms and cry out. He sat up, thin, and clean, in his clean gown, like a holy man. The doctor said, "There are things we can do which might give you time, but we cannot cure you." My father said, "Thank you." And he sat, motionless, alone, with the dignity of a foreign leader. I sat beside him. This was my father. He had known he was mortal. I had feared they would have to tie him down. I had not remembered he had always held still and kept quiet to bear things, the liquor a way to keep still. I had not known him. My father had dignity. At the end of his life his life began to wake in me. "His Stillness" by Sharon Olds, from *Strike Sparks*. ? Random House, 2004. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 08:56:53 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:56:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>He was also well aware of the poetry he chose >>not to acknowledge. As was his right. > >How do we know that? If his remark about Stern >was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't >aware of very much of the poetry continuum. > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 10:11:08 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:11:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Bukowski Project Message-ID: <8CD5DEEC924AC11-968-3479@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/arts/music/29ute.html The poem, delivered with the feverish intensity that Ms. Lemper brings to everything she does, is the heart of darkness near the end of her new show, ?The Bukowski Project,? which began a run at Joe?s Pub on Wednesday evening. (Performances earlier this year were not open to the press.) This engagement is obviously a platform for a larger theatrical version. The text for the program, subtitled ?a journey through the poetry of Charles Bukowski,? comes from his books, ?The Last Night of the Earth Poems,? ?What Matters Most Is How You Walk Through the Fire? and ?You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense.? The dramatic recitations are interspersed with songs composed by Ms. Lemper and played by her excellent rock-jazz trio, whose members, the pianist Vana Gierig, the bassist Steve Millhouse and the drummer Todd Turkisher, are credited with ?additional composition and arrangements.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 10:41:38 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu><4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Kunitz founded Poets House-- -- Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its poetry collection. With over 50,000 volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our programs and services. -- Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over time. Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within that context. I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his right. How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 29 12:02:00 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:02:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Meitner at Best American Poetry blog Message-ID: Jim Finnegan has wondered if poetry blogs are dying out. I don't know, though surely the attrition rate seems high among ones I sporadically follow. Maybe the halflife of a blog is short, and there are new ones going up to make up the difference. I wonder if anyone knows. Anyway, I wanted to mention one of the small handful of poetry blogs that I check regularly, and which has been very faithful in putting up new content daily. It's The Best American Poetry blog, but it actually has rather little to do, on a day-to-day basis, with the book series of that name. I gather that David Lehman is nominally in charge, but he doesn't post much. Rather, there is a rotating crew of "guest bloggers," who each take a week to put up content. Plus quite a few other ad hoc guests. A fair amount of information posted isn't directly related to poetry, but for me that's a good thing. This week's guest blogger is Erika Meitner, a younger poet (2nd book just appeared) that I've been following with interest the past few years. Here is her first posting: http://blog.bestamericanpoetry.com/the_best_american_poetry/2010/11/put-on-y our-yarmulka-by-erika-meitner.html Erika Meitner, Guest Blogger Nov 28-Dec 4 This week we welcome Erika Meitner as our guest blogger. Erika is the author of Inventory at the All-night Drugstore and Ideal Cities, which was selected by Paul Guest as a 2009 National Poetry Series winner, and published in August by HarperCollins. Her poems have appeared most recently in Tin House, The New Republic, VQR, APR, and on Slate.com. She is an assistant professor of English at Virginia Tech, where she teaches in the MFA program, and is completing her doctorate in religious studies at the University of Virginia. Her next book of poems, Makeshift Instructions for Vigilant Girls, is due out in 2011 from Anhinga Press. Find out more about Erika Meitner here. Welcome, Erika. -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 12:24:23 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:24:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Poewts House is a wonder. He also left it some wonderful artwork, including a few Gustons. At 10:41 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >Kunitz founded Poets House-- >-- >Founded in 1985 by poet >Stanley >Kunitz and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, >Poets House has created a home for all who read >and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home >was located in an intimate loft at 72 Spring >Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make >Soho an impractical location, Poets House was >fortunate to be designated by the Battery Park >City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new >building on the banks of the Hudson River. In >the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its >permanent home at >10 River >Terrace in Battery Park City and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. > >Throughout its transformations, the heart of >Poets House has remained its poetry >collection. >With over 50,000 volumes of poetry?including >books, journals, chapbooks, audio and videoo >tapes, and digital media?our collection is among >the most comprehhensive, open-access collections >of poetry in the United States and is the >foundation for all our programs and services. >-- >Perhaps some of that 'other material' has >slipped into its collection over time. > >Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of >poets over his long career. He was certainly >mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He >was judge of Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) > >Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, >Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of poetry. Compared >to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in >a completely different way than Stern. So it's >all a matter of context, and range within that context. > >I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up >from NYC to a CT reading, and stopping for lunch >at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in >food was not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling >conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd say >he knew more than his share about poetry. And I >felt I was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. > >Who is the mythical literary figure who manages >to know all poets/poetries (all the compass >points), is well-versed in all schools and >sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes >them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? > >Finnegan >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > >I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew >him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. > >At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >>On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>>He was also well aware of the poetry he chose >>>not to acknowledge. As was his right. >> >>How do we know that? If his remark about Stern >>was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't >>aware of very much of the poetry continuum. >> >>--Bob >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. >$16. Order from >http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > >"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a >lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the >poet alive in every sense of the word, and >through every one of his senses. Instead of >missing a beat or a part, Weiss??? fragments are >like Chekhov???s short stories?the more that >gets left out, the more they seem to contain >One can hear echoess from all the various >ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its >core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the >fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a >pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not >only innto a mind, but a person, a personality, >this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." > >M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. >http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 12:47:16 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:47:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu><4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD5E0493BDFB6E-70C-2D15@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives in Arizona. -- It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. Here is the announcement of this year's winner. http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz Kunitz founded Poets House-- -- Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its poetry collection. With over 50,000 volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our programs and services. -- Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over time. Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within that context. I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his right. How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gathering the Tribes 70 1975 Maura Stanton Snow on Snow 69 1974 Michael Ryan Threats Instead of Trees 68 1973 Robert Hass Field Guide 67 1972 Michael Casey Obscenities 66 1971 Peter Klappert Lugging Vegetables to Nantucket 65 1970 Hugh Seidman Collecting Evidence 64 1969 Judith Johnson Sherwin Uranium Poems - Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 12:47 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives in Arizona. -- It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. Here is the announcement of this year's winner. http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 29 12:57:59 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:57:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5E0493BDFB6E-70C-2D15@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've largely lost track of the series, too, but it has to do with more than the proliferation of first book awards. I suppose this may be a chicken-and-egg situation, in that the award itself once propelled poets a good way into "success," and it no longer has the clout. But such propulsion can only get you so far; then your own talent and drive have to take over. Anyway, it sure can seem as though judges since Auden haven't had his knack of predicting which young poets will prosper and grow. Kunitz picked at least a couple poets I like, and that was a long time ago. I am thinking of Robert Hass and Carolyn Forche. But who are the most notable winners since Forche in 1976? On 11/29/10 11:47 AM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of > that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the > Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] > > http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp > The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by > judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is > a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth > Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, > The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives > in Arizona. > -- > It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. > Here is the announcement of this year's winner. > http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 > > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > > Kunitz founded Poets House-- > -- > Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz > and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all > who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an > intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make > Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by > the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the > banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its > permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City > and opened to the public on September > 25, 2009. > > Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its > poetry collection . With over 50,000 > volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, > and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access > collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our > programs and services. > -- > Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over > time. > > Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. > He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of > Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) > > Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of > poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely > different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within > that context. > > I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and > stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was > not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving > carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was > only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. > > Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries > (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and > who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that > person. Is he/she is on this list? > > Finnegan > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weiss > To: NewPoetry List > Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > > I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. > Take my word for it. > > At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >> On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>> He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his >>> right. >> >> How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he >> certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments > are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they > seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] > the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the > fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] > opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human > figure at the emotional center of the poem." > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Mon Nov 29 13:08:56 2010 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:08:56 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] gusto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jforjames wrote: > > Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/ > poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and > sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal > gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? > Yes, he is: David Graham. And she is: Anny Ballardini. From millb at aol.com Mon Nov 29 13:08:59 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:08:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD5E07A17A8CF0-1210-58F@webmail-m089.sysops.aol.com> How about these? Craig Arnold,, 1999 Brigit Pegeen Kelly, 1988 Cathy Song, 1983 David Wojahn, 1982 Leslie Ullman, 1979 Bin Ramke, 1977 Olga Broumas, 1978 Millicent Borges Accardi -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 9:57 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 I've largely lost track of the series, too, but it has to do with more than the proliferation of first book awards. I suppose this may be a chicken-and-egg situation, in that the award itself once propelled poets a good way into "success," and it no longer has the clout. But such propulsion can only get you so far; then your own talent and drive have to take over. Anyway, it sure can seem as though judges since Auden haven't had his knack of predicting which young poets will prosper and grow. Kunitz picked at least a couple poets I like, and that was a long time ago. I am thinking of Robert Hass and Carolyn Forche. But who are the most notable winners since Forche in 1976? On 11/29/10 11:47 AM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives in Arizona. -- It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. Here is the announcement of this year's winner. http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz Kunitz founded Poets House-- -- Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its poetry collection . With over 50,000 volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our programs and services. -- Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over time. Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within that context. I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his right. How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 29 13:09:51 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:09:51 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Even the Yale Younger Poets press release about Carl Phillips taking over as judge, when it brags about notable poets whose careers the series has launched, mentions no poet since Robert Hass--who won 37 years ago. On 11/29/10 11:57 AM, "David Graham" wrote: > I've largely lost track of the series, too, but it has to do with more than > the proliferation of first book awards. I suppose this may be a > chicken-and-egg situation, in that the award itself once propelled poets a > good way into "success," and it no longer has the clout. But such propulsion > can only get you so far; then your own talent and drive have to take over. > Anyway, it sure can seem as though judges since Auden haven't had his knack of > predicting which young poets will prosper and grow. > > Kunitz picked at least a couple poets I like, and that was a long time ago. I > am thinking of Robert Hass and Carolyn Forche. But who are the most notable > winners since Forche in 1976? > > > > > On 11/29/10 11:47 AM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > >> Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track >> of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the >> Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first >> books.] >> >> http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp >> The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by >> judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson >> is a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a >> Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in >> Poetry, The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. >> She lives in Arizona. >> -- >> It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. >> Here is the announcement of this year's winner. >> http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 >> >> Finnegan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jforjames at aol.com >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz >> >> Kunitz founded Poets House-- >> -- >> Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz >> and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all >> who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an >> intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make >> Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by >> the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on >> the banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to >> its permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City >> and opened to the public on >> September 25, 2009. >> >> Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its >> poetry collection . With over 50,000 >> volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video >> tapes, and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, >> open-access collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation >> for all our programs and services. >> -- >> Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over >> time. >> >> Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. >> He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of >> Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) >> >> Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of >> poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely >> different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within >> that context. >> >> I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and >> stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was >> not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving >> carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I >> was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. >> >> Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries >> (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and >> who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that >> person. Is he/she is on this list? >> >> Finnegan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Weiss >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz >> >> I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. >> Take my word for it. >> >> At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >>> On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>>> He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was >>>> his right. >>> >>> How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, >>> he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. >>> >>> --Bob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. >> $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm >> >> >> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of >> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through >> every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? >> fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the >> more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various >> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His >> use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical >> threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a >> personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." >> >> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. >> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 13:10:57 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:10:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD5E07E7F15F8E-15A8-612@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Look at this run... 62 1967 James Tate The Lost Pilot 61 1965 Jean Valentine Dream Barker 60 1964 Peter Davison The Breaking of the Day 59 1963 Sandra Hochman Manhattan Pastures 58 1962 Jack Gilbert Views of Jeopardy 57 1961 Alan Dugan Poems 56 1960 George Starbuck Bone Thoughts 55 1959 William Dickey Of the Festivity 54 1958 John Hollander A Crackling of Thorns 53 1957 James Wright The Green Wall 52 1956 John Ashbery Some Trees 51 1954 Daniel Hoffman An Armada of Thirty Whales 50 1953 Edgar Bogardus Various Jangling Keys 49 1952 W. S. Merwin A Mask for Janus 48 1951 Adrienne Rich A Change of World -- I think a lot these were Auden's picks...he dun good. Looking up Bogardus (the one name I didn't recognize) I find he died at age 30. (Again according to Wikipedia). Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 I've largely lost track of the series, too, but it has to do with more than the proliferation of first book awards. I suppose this may be a chicken-and-egg situation, in that the award itself once propelled poets a good way into "success," and it no longer has the clout. But such propulsion can only get you so far; then your own talent and drive have to take over. Anyway, it sure can seem as though judges since Auden haven't had his knack of predicting which young poets will prosper and grow. Kunitz picked at least a couple poets I like, and that was a long time ago. I am thinking of Robert Hass and Carolyn Forche. But who are the most notable winners since Forche in 1976? On 11/29/10 11:47 AM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is a poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives in Arizona. -- It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. Here is the announcement of this year's winner. http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz Kunitz founded Poets House-- -- Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz and arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all who read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an intimate loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make Soho an impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by the Battery Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the banks of the Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its permanent home at 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its poetry collection . With over 50,000 volumes of poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, and digital media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access collections of poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our programs and services. -- Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over time. Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. He was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of Yale Younger Poets Series for many years.) Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within that context. I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was not too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was only scratching the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. Take my word for it. At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his right. How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Okay. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 14:38:52 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:38:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu><4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n-but.net> On 11/29/2010 10:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Kunitz founded Poets House-- Exactly. They have readings. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 14:54:59 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:54:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] gusto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CF40513.5090102@nut-n-but.net> On 11/29/2010 1:08 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jforjames wrote: >> >> Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all >> poets/poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all >> schools and sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all >> with equal gusto? I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? >> > Yes, he is: David Graham. And she is: Anny Ballardini. > __________ David, do you agree with this? I'm not looking for the mythical figure James describes, only for the visible poet or critic who is aware (just about--asking for 100% is absurd) of the full range of contemporary poetry, and does something of value for ALL of it, although he understandably has favorites and does more for them than for others. Someone who, put in charge of an edition of the Best American Poetry, would have specimens of more than Wilshberian poetry (which, in my view, now includes language poetry at its least adventurousness). Someone who would see the value of a complete list of schools of American Poetry. Bob Holman may be close to this. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 29 15:15:27 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:15:27 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] gusto In-Reply-To: <8CD5E0AFB852F6E-15A8-E66@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Saint Annie of Poetica: yes! Let the canonization process begin. As for that other gentleman, he pleads guilty to all past & future lapses of knowlege and taste, and he was also (don't tell) the man on the grassy knoll who took out not only Roethke and Frost but also W. C. Williams in 1963. Aimed for Pound but missed. Would have gone after Wilbur and Ashbery, but they were too spry back then to get a bead on. . . . But speaking of taste, I believe Mark has mentioned something that frequently gets elided in such discussions: that admiration and awareness are two very different things. A number of years back I was asked to do a review of a new-and-selected volume by a poet I think it would be fair to slot well within the "experimental" wing of American poetry. It was for a newspaper in a state I've never lived in, and I was specifically enjoined by the editor not to feel I had to pull punches. Apparently my main qualification for doing the review, aside from being a poet who did occasional reviews, was that I wasn't part of the clubby scene that surrounded this particular poet. They were sick of running back-scratching reviews, I gather. Not a problem for me, in any case. As it happened, I liked the book a good deal, but also felt that, unfortunately, the poet in question got rather steadily worse as he developed. I tried to express both my admiration and my reservations clearly in the tiny space allowed. Soon after publication I got a very aggrieved letter from the poet himself. Two things were most striking about his complaints. First, he was sure he knew what kind of poet I was, and make a number of disparaging remarks about the poetry he admitted he had not read. And second, he was equally certain that I just didn't understand his work, that I was ignorant of the traditions in which he was writing. I did not reply. But if I had, I probably would have simply pointed out that there were other possibilities beyond his dichotomy of ignorance/admiration. On 11/29/10 12:32 PM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: > Well, Anny's a saint, after all. That gentleman you mention is a little too > enamored of the 'natter mannerists' (those ultra-talkers). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Spacks > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 1:08 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] gusto > > On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jforjames wrote: >> > >> > Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/> >> poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and > >> sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal > gusto? I >> don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? >> > > Yes, he is: David Graham. And she is: Anny Ballardini. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cantilevered over the lobby, the exhibition space appears to float in air, especially when illuminated at night. Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House collection and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. -- Bob, you might find something you like therein. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz On 11/29/2010 10:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Kunitz founded Poets House-- Exactly. They have readings. --Bob _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 15:21:58 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:21:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] gusto In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5E0AFB852F6E-15A8-E66@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: First rule: never reply to a critic. Best to get drunk and howl by oneself, or complain to friendfs and loved ones until they tell you it's enough. It's difficult to imagine what the poet thought he would gain. Change your mind? Get you to retract the review? At 03:15 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >Saint Annie of Poetica: yes! Let the canonization process begin. > >As for that other gentleman, he pleads guilty to >all past & future lapses of knowlege and taste, >and he was also (don't tell) the man on the >grassy knoll who took out not only Roethke and >Frost but also W. C. Williams in 1963. Aimed >for Pound but missed. Would have gone after >Wilbur and Ashbery, but they were too spry back then to get a bead on. . . . > >But speaking of taste, I believe Mark has >mentioned something that frequently gets elided >in such discussions: that admiration and >awareness are two very different things. > >A number of years back I was asked to do a >review of a new-and-selected volume by a poet I >think it would be fair to slot well within the >"experimental" wing of American poetry. It was >for a newspaper in a state I've never lived in, >and I was specifically enjoined by the editor >not to feel I had to pull punches. Apparently >my main qualification for doing the review, >aside from being a poet who did occasional >reviews, was that I wasn't part of the clubby >scene that surrounded this particular >poet. They were sick of running back-scratching reviews, I gather. > >Not a problem for me, in any case. As it >happened, I liked the book a good deal, but also >felt that, unfortunately, the poet in question >got rather steadily worse as he developed. I >tried to express both my admiration and my >reservations clearly in the tiny space allowed. > >Soon after publication I got a very aggrieved >letter from the poet himself. Two things were >most striking about his complaints. First, he >was sure he knew what kind of poet I was, and >make a number of disparaging remarks about the >poetry he admitted he had not read. And second, >he was equally certain that I just didn't >understand his work, that I was ignorant of the >traditions in which he was writing. > >I did not reply. But if I had, I probably would >have simply pointed out that there were other >possibilities beyond his dichotomy of ignorance/admiration. > > > >On 11/29/10 12:32 PM, >"jforjames at aol.com" ><jforjames at aol.com> wrote: > >Well, Anny's a saint, after all. That gentleman >you mention is a little too enamored of the >'natter mannerists' (those ultra-talkers). > >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Spacks <barry.spacks at verizon.net> >To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 1:08 pm >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] gusto > >On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jforjames wrote: > > > > Who is the mythical literary figure who > manages to know all poets/> poetries (all the > compass points), is well-versed in all schools > and > sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and > promotes them all with equal > gusto? I don't > know that person. Is he/she is on this list? > > > Yes, he is: David Graham. And she is: Anny Ballardini. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >-- > > >==================================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >==================================================== > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 15:27:22 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:27:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7FB-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's a pretty amazing space. The library contains almost every book of poetry published by american presses each year. There are no readings as such, more discussions and presentations, with readings as illustration. Lee Briccetti, who runs the place, and Stephen Motika, who runs the programs, probably qualify as those mythically knowledgeable types, by the way. Stephen is also a very fine poet. At 03:17 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House >Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series >of exhibitions that honor the relationship >between written and visual media, including >paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book >arts, sculpture, architectural models and >archival manuscripts, correspondence and >journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery >Park City, exhibitions are held in the Cheney >Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, >spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, >the exhibition space appears to float in air, >especially when illuminated at night. Exhibits >showcase gems from the Poets House collection >and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. >-- >Bob, you might find something you like therein. >Finnegan >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Grumman >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > >On 11/29/2010 10:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>Kunitz founded Poets House-- >Exactly. They have readings. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fox.skip at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 16:49:57 2010 From: fox.skip at gmail.com (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:49:57 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] gusto In-Reply-To: References: <8CD5E0AFB852F6E-15A8-E66@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Rules Immediately Proceeding First Rule: If you read criticism on yourself, do not closely attend unless something of substance appears to have been noted. If on the odd occasion something is, read it intelligently but lightly. Take nothing personally. Pound's rule: Do not trust anyone else's opinion whose work you do not respect. These might cut down on hair pulling, late night rambling letters, etc. (P.S. I would attend well to David's or Mark's, but I'd still maintain perspective. (After 40 years, who deeply cares what anyone else says? If we did, we'd probably not make it the first 10.)) On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > First rule: never reply to a critic. Best to get drunk and howl by oneself, > or complain to friendfs and loved ones until they tell you it's enough. > > It's difficult to imagine what the poet thought he would gain. Change your > mind? Get you to retract the review? > > At 03:15 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: > > Saint Annie of Poetica: yes! Let the canonization process begin. > > As for that other gentleman, he pleads guilty to all past & future lapses > of knowlege and taste, and he was also (don't tell) the man on the grassy > knoll who took out not only Roethke and Frost but also W. C. Williams in > 1963. Aimed for Pound but missed. Would have gone after Wilbur and > Ashbery, but they were too spry back then to get a bead on. . . . > > But speaking of taste, I believe Mark has mentioned something that > frequently gets elided in such discussions: that admiration and awareness > are two very different things. > > A number of years back I was asked to do a review of a new-and-selected > volume by a poet I think it would be fair to slot well within the > "experimental" wing of American poetry. It was for a newspaper in a state > I've never lived in, and I was specifically enjoined by the editor not to > feel I had to pull punches. Apparently my main qualification for doing the > review, aside from being a poet who did occasional reviews, was that I > wasn't part of the clubby scene that surrounded this particular poet. They > were sick of running back-scratching reviews, I gather. > > Not a problem for me, in any case. As it happened, I liked the book a good > deal, but also felt that, unfortunately, the poet in question got rather > steadily worse as he developed. I tried to express both my admiration and > my reservations clearly in the tiny space allowed. > > Soon after publication I got a very aggrieved letter from the poet > himself. Two things were most striking about his complaints. First, he was > sure he knew what kind of poet I was, and make a number of disparaging > remarks about the poetry he admitted he had not read. And second, he was > equally certain that I just didn't understand his work, that I was ignorant > of the traditions in which he was writing. > > I did not reply. But if I had, I probably would have simply pointed out > that there were other possibilities beyond his dichotomy of > ignorance/admiration. > > > > On 11/29/10 12:32 PM, "jforjames at aol.com " < > jforjames at aol.com > wrote: > > Well, Anny's a saint, after all. That gentleman you mention is a little > too enamored of the 'natter mannerists' (those ultra-talkers). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Spacks > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 1:08 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] gusto > > On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jforjames wrote: > > > > Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/> > poetries (all the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and > > sub-genres, and who loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal > gusto? > I don't know that person. Is he/she is on this list? > > > Yes, he is: David Graham. And she is: Anny Ballardini. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, *As Landscape. > *$16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? > fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the > more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. > His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical > threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tomorrow, Peter Gizzi--who visited the WGCP last year-- will be doing a Q and A with undergrads, but the event is open to the public. And lastly, New Haven Review Books is having a party to launch two new books, one of which is a collection of poems (entitled Blue for Oceans) by our very own Charles Douthat--what better reason to attend a party? I'll paste the info for these events below. Also, a reminder that we meet this Friday to discuss the work of David Shapiro. Onward! Richard Deming +++++ November 29: 7:30 pm, Calhoun Master?s House, 434 College Street Ken Chen, winner of the Yale Younger Poets Prize 2009, will read his poetry in the Calhoun Master's House today at 730. Louise Gluck, judge of the Yale Younger Poets Prize, will introduce him. Gl?ck Picks Ken Chen For Yale Younger Poets Prize -- 5.29.09 A little over a year after being named executive director of the Asian American Writers' Workshop, Ken Chen can add another impressive line to his resum?. Yale University Press on Wednesday announced that he is winner of this year's Yale Series of Younger Poets Prize. His first collection, Juvenilia, will be published next spring. Chen, who succeeded Quang Bao at the New York City-based nonprofit organization, is the first Chinese American to win the prestigious poetry award in over twenty-five years. In a statement released by the Writers' Workshop, Chen credits the organization for giving him the support he needed to finish his first book. "It was the Workshop that led me to find a community of writers, who gave me the encouragement and mentorship I needed to complete my manuscript," he says. Louise Gl?ck chose Juvenilia for the award, which is given for a first collection by a poet under the age of forty. It was Gl?ck's seventh pick as the series judge. Since 2004 she's chosen the following collections: It Is Daylight by Arda Collins, The Earth in the Attic by Fady Joudah, Frail-Craft by Jessica Fisher, Green Squall by Jay Hopler, Crush by Richard Siken, and The Cuckoo by Peter Streckfus. ++++++ Tuesday, Nov. 30th, Peter Gizzi * Poet Peter Gizzi to discuss and read his work with English 127 students (open to the public). * Date: Tuesday, Nov. 30th, * Time: 7:00-8:30pm * Place: WLH 116 ++++++++++++ Tuesday, Dec. 7, from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. Charles Douthat WHAT: Launch party for NEW HAVEN REVIEW BOOKS, a new non-profit press based here in town. WHO: Authors Charles Douthat and Greg Feeley will read from, sell, and sign their new books. SAY WHAT?: You can learn more here. WHEN: Tuesday, Dec. 7, from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. WHERE: Kehler-Liddell Gallery, 873 Whalley Ave., New Haven (in Westville Village) WHO ELSE: You, and anyone you want to bring. PLEASE: Come. Support this amazing new venture. Drink on us. JUST DRINK?: No, cookies too. And other edibles. KIDS?: If they are quiet and attractive. AREN'T ALL KIDS ATTRACTIVE?: Yes. RSVP?: It would be nice if you did. QUESTIONS: Can be directed to mark.e.oppenheimer at gmail.com or bfslattery at gmail.com = _______________________________________________ gcp-whc mailing list gcp-whc at mailman.yale.edu ttp://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/wgcp-whc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 18:15:26 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:15:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New England College v. Drew University Message-ID: <8CD5E327105BB83-610-2A62@webmail-m097.sysops.aol.com> Did anyone ever hear the dispostion of this case of the purloined MFA program? Late in 2008, the judge ruled that the lawsuit would proceed to trial phase...and seems like a couple motions to dismiss were denied. But I don't see any further updates online since late 2009. http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-hampshire/nhdce/1:2008cv00424/32918/ With legal bills on both sides, I doubt these two MFA programs are making any money for their schools. I'm surprised they haven't settled. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At Poets House's new home in Battery Park City, exhibitions > are held in the Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, > spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, the exhibition space > appears to float in air, especially when illuminated at night. > Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House collection and innovative > poetry-related works from around the world. > -- > Bob, you might find something you like therein. > Finnegan You would certainly think so, wouldn't you, James. Somehow, I suspect nothing there is what I'd call visual poetry--i.e., a fusion of poetry and visimagery (my term for Visual art). Maybe something by Jenny Holzer. One reason I say this is the description, another my impression of Poets House based on the poets they invite to do readings, and a third the fact none of my friends in visual poetry have mentioned having anything in this exhibit, as at least one of them certainly should if visual poetry were part of it. But if I lived in New York, I'd go see it. Last summer when I /was/ in New York, I meant to visit Poets House but forgot to. I went to the Whitney, I think, instead, which I enjoyed but wasn't inspired by, and though at least half the stuff on display was crap. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 29 19:12:26 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:12:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu><4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net><8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com><4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n -but.net><8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CF4416A.2020806@nut-n-but.net> On 11/29/2010 3:27 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > It's a pretty amazing space. The library contains almost every book of > poetry published by american presses each year. Poets House is a good idea, but it only contains every book some American press is willing to send them free, at the press's expense--as I did for a while. I see no point in it, because the library does nothing, as far as I know, to publicize its no-name books--as, for instance, SUNY, Buffalo, at least once did, and The Ohio State University Library has done several times, the main warehouses I send Runaway Spoon Press books to. SUNY, Buffalo, actually pays for them. > There are no readings as such, more discussions and presentations, > with readings as illustration. Lee Briccetti, who runs the place, > and Stephen Motika, who runs the programs, probably qualify as those > mythically knowledgeable types, by the way. Stephen is also a very > fine poet. I'm sure I've gotten announcements of reading there. > > At 03:17 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: > >> Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House >> Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series of exhibitions that >> honor the relationship between written and visual media, including >> paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book arts, sculpture, >> architectural models and archival manuscripts, correspondence and >> journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery Park City, exhibitions >> are held in the Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, >> spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, the exhibition space >> appears to float in air, especially when illuminated at night. >> Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House collection and innovative >> poetry-related works from around the world. >> -- >> Bob, you might find something you like therein. >> Finnegan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Grumman >> To: NewPoetry List >> Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz >> >> On 11/29/2010 10:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com >> wrote: >>> Kunitz founded Poets House-- >> Exactly. They have readings. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, /As Landscape. > /$16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and > through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, > Weiss' fragments are like Chekhov's short stories?the more that gets > left out, the more they seem to contain... One can hear echoes from > all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, > is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and > bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody...[it] opens a window, not > only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at > the emotional center of the poem." > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 19:49:42 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:49:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <4CF4416A.2020806@nut-n-but.net> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n -but.net> <8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com> <4CF4416A.2020806@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: It's an active library in the most active center for poetry in the country. We donate books because there's a potential return. There are readings around particular events, but there's no reading series as such. If you want them to run a vizpo event get someone to suggest it to Stephen Motika, preferably around the time that a new vizpo compendium appears. Or propose a panel on the topic. Best, Mark At 07:12 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >On 11/29/2010 3:27 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >>It's a pretty amazing space. The library >>contains almost every book of poetry published by american presses each year. >Poets House is a good idea, but it only contains >every book some American press is willing to >send them free, at the press's expense--as I did >for a while. I see no point in it, because the >library does nothing, as far as I know, to >publicize its no-name books--as, for instance, >SUNY, Buffalo, at least once did, and The Ohio >State University Library has done several times, >the main warehouses I send Runaway Spoon Press >books to. SUNY, Buffalo, actually pays for them. > > >>There are no readings as such, more discussions >>and presentations, with readings as >>illustration. Lee Briccetti, who runs the >>place, and Stephen Motika, who runs the >>programs, probably qualify as those mythically >>knowledgeable types, by the way. Stephen is also a very fine poet. > >I'm sure I've gotten announcements of reading there. > >> >>At 03:17 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >> >>>Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House >>>Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series >>>of exhibitions that honor the relationship >>>between written and visual media, including >>>paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book >>>arts, sculpture, architectural models and >>>archival manuscripts, correspondence and >>>journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery >>>Park City, exhibitions are held in the Cheney >>>Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, >>>spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the >>>lobby, the exhibition space appears to float >>>in air, especially when illuminated at night. >>>Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House >>>collection and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. >>>-- >>>Bob, you might find something you like therein. >>>Finnegan >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bob Grumman >>> >>>To: NewPoetry List >>> >>>Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm >>>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz >>> >>>On 11/29/2010 10:41 AM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>>>Kunitz founded Poets House-- >>>Exactly. They have readings. >>> >>>--Bob >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>New-Poetry mailing list >>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>New-Poetry mailing list >>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >>New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. >>$16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm >> >> >>"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a >>lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is >>the poet alive in every sense of the word, and >>through every one of his senses. Instead of >>missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are >>like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets >>left out, the more they seem to contain One >>can hear echoes from all the various >>ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its >>core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the >>fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, >>a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, >>not only into a mind, but a person, a >>personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." >> >>M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. >>http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 19:57:25 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:57:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: <4CF43F78.9000403@nut-n-but.net> References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net> <23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu> <4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net> <8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n -but.net> <8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com> <4CF43F78.9000403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I tend to agree with you about the Whitney. It's maybe too cozy with the art scene in Chelsea, much of which I find pretty boring. I'm not suggesting corruption, though of course curators and gallery owners live in the same small world. The problem may be that it's a very small museum. If half of the current shows at the Modern or the Met were duds, there'd still be a month's worth of other things to look at. On the other hand, the Whitney's recent Burchfield show was an utter marvel. At 07:04 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: >On 11/29/2010 3:17 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> >>Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House >>Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series >>of exhibitions that honor the relationship >>between written and visual media, including >>paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book >>arts, sculpture, architectural models and >>archival manuscripts, correspondence and >>journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery >>Park City, exhibitions are held in the Cheney >>Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, >>spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, >>the exhibition space appears to float in air, >>especially when illuminated at night. Exhibits >>showcase gems from the Poets House collection >>and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. >>-- >>Bob, you might find something you like therein. >>Finnegan > >You would certainly think so, wouldn't you, >James. Somehow, I suspect nothing there is what >I'd call visual poetry--i.e., a fusion of poetry >and visimagery (my term for Visual art). Maybe >something by Jenny Holzer. One reason I say >this is the description, another my impression >of Poets House based on the poets they invite to >do readings, and a third the fact none of my >friends in visual poetry have mentioned having >anything in this exhibit, as at least one of >them certainly should if visual poetry were part >of it. But if I lived in New York, I'd go see it. > >Last summer when I was in New York, I meant to >visit Poets House but forgot to. I went to the >Whitney, I think, instead, which I enjoyed but >wasn't inspired by, and though at least half the stuff on display was crap. > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 20:05:33 2010 From: poet_in_hell_files at yahoo.com (stephen russell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:05:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5E07E7F15F8E-15A8-612@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5E07E7F15F8E-15A8-612@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <697643.83107.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yeah. pretty solid list. when i was at FSU, we had just recruited a 6 foot 6 Yale poet winner. Name: John Bensko. as it turns out, our writing program is as competitive as our football program. certainly more consistent. with Bensko, we had David Bottoms, a Walt Whitman award winner and grad student, & Leon Stokesbury, the winner of something just as prestigious (sp?). Of the 3, the Stoke is my favorite. Bottoms was a good ole boy, and excellent story teller. He became Poet L of the state of Georgia. He wasn't, to put it mildly, a fan of John Ashbery ( is Ashbery one or 2 r/s???). Even the good folks at FSU couldn't teach me to spell. ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 1:10:57 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 Look at this run... 62 1967 James Tate The Lost Pilot 61 1965 Jean Valentine Dream Barker 60 1964 Peter Davison The Breaking of the Day 59 1963 Sandra Hochman Manhattan Pastures 58 1962 Jack Gilbert Views of Jeopardy 57 1961 Alan Dugan Poems 56 1960 George Starbuck Bone Thoughts 55 1959 William Dickey Of the Festivity 54 1958 John Hollander A Crackling of Thorns 53 1957 James Wright The Green Wall 52 1956 John Ashbery Some Trees 51 1954 Daniel Hoffman An Armada of Thirty Whales 50 1953 Edgar Bogardus Various Jangling Keys 49 1952 W. S. Merwin A Mask for Janus 48 1951 Adrienne Rich A Change of World -- I think a lot these were Auden's picks...he dun good. Looking up Bogardus (the one name I didn't recognize) I find he died at age 30. (Again according to Wikipedia). Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Yale Series winner 2010 I've largely lost track of the series, too, but it has to do with more than the proliferation of first book awards. I suppose this may be a chicken-and-egg situation, in that the award itself once propelled poets a good way into "success," and it no longer has the clout. But such propulsion can only get you so far; then your own talent and drive have to take over. Anyway, it sure can seem as though judges since Auden haven't had his knack of predicting which young poets will prosper and grow. Kunitz picked at least a couple poets I like, and that was a long time ago. I am thinking of Robert Hass and Carolyn Forche. But who are the most notable winners since Forche in 1976? On 11/29/10 11:47 AM, "jforjames at aol.com" wrote: Thinking of the Yale Younger Poets made me realize how much I've lost track of that series. [Way back when it was the Yale, the Whitman (AAP), and the Starrett Prize (Pitt) and that was about it for ms. contests for first books.] > >http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/youngerpoets.asp >The winner of the 2010 Yale Series of Younger Poets competition, as chosen by >judge Louise Gl?ck, is Katherine Larson's Radial Symmetry. Katherine Larson is a >poet, research scientist and field ecologist. She is the recipient of a Ruth >Lilly Poetry Fellowship. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Poetry, >The Massachusetts Review and Notre Dame Review, among other places. She lives in >Arizona. >-- >It appears that Louise Gluck has picked 8 thus far in her tenure as judge. Here >is the announcement of this year's winner. >http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/SeriesPage.asp?Series=113 > >Finnegan > >-----Original Message----- >From: jforjames at aol.com >To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 10:41 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > >Kunitz founded Poets House-- >-- >Founded in 1985 by poet Stanley Kunitz and >arts administrator Elizabeth Kray, Poets House has created a home for all who >read and write poetry. From 1990 to 2007 that home was located in an intimate >loft at 72 Spring Street in Soho. As rent increases began to make Soho an >impractical location, Poets House was fortunate to be designated by the Battery >Park City Authority as a rent-free tenant in a new building on the banks of the >Hudson River. In the summer of 2009, Poets House moved to its permanent home at >10 River Terrace in Battery Park City >and opened to the public on September 25, 2009. > > >Throughout its transformations, the heart of Poets House has remained its poetry >collection . With over 50,000 volumes of >poetry?including books, journals, chapbooks, audio and video tapes, and digital >media?our collection is among the most comprehensive, open-access collections of >poetry in the United States and is the foundation for all our programs and >services. >-- >Perhaps some of that 'other material' has slipped into its collection over time. > >Kunitz wrote some good poems. He helped a lot of poets over his long career. He >was certainly mainstream. And connected to establishment. (He was judge of Yale >Younger Poets Series for many years.) > > >Compared to someone like Anthony Hecht, say, Gerald Stern is a 'wildman' of >poetry. Compared to Bukowski, not so much. James Tate is wild in a completely >different way than Stern. So it's all a matter of context, and range within that >context. > > >I spent 4 hours with Kunitz once, on a drive up from NYC to a CT reading, and >stopping for lunch at Peruvian restaurant in Danbury. (His taste in food was not >too narrow.) From our free-wheeling conversation (I was driving carefully), I'd >say he knew more than his share about poetry. And I felt I was only scratching >the surface, and doing so rather late in his life. > >Who is the mythical literary figure who manages to know all poets/poetries (all >the compass points), is well-versed in all schools and sub-genres, and who >loves, reads, and promotes them all with equal gusto? I don't know that person. >Is he/she is on this list? > >Finnegan >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >To: NewPoetry List >Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz > >I knew him slightly, and many of my friends knew him a lot better than that. >Take my word for it. > > >At 06:12 AM 11/29/2010, you wrote: > >On 11/28/2010 11:54 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >>He was also well aware of the poetry he chose not to acknowledge. As was his >>right. >>> >How do we know that? If his remark about Stern was about Stern as a poet, he >certainly wasn't aware of very much of the poetry continuum. > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. 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I'm not suggesting corruption, though of course curators and gallery owners live in the same small world. The problem may be that it's a very small museum. If half of the current shows at the Modern or the Met were duds, there'd still be a month's worth of other things to look at. On the other hand, the Whitney's recent Burchfield show was an utter marvel. At 07:04 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/29/2010 3:17 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series of exhibitions that honor the relationship between written and visual media, including paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book arts, sculpture, architectural models and archival manuscripts, correspondence and journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery Park City, exhibitions are held in the Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, the exhibition space appears to float in air, especially when illuminated at night. Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House collection and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. -- Bob, you might find something you like therein. Finnegan You would certainly think so, wouldn't you, James. Somehow, I suspect nothing there is what I'd call visual poetry--i.e., a fusion of poetry and visimagery (my term for Visual art). Maybe something by Jenny Holzer. One reason I say this is the description, another my impression of Poets House based on the poets they invite to do readings, and a third the fact none of my friends in visual poetry have mentioned having anything in this exhibit, as at least one of them certainly should if visual poetry were part of it. But if I lived in New York, I'd go see it. Last summer when I was in New York, I meant to visit Poets House but forgot to. I went to the Whitney, I think, instead, which I enjoyed but wasn't inspired by, and though at least half the stuff on display was crap. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: NewPoetry List Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz I tend to agree with you about the Whitney. It's maybe too cozy with the art scene in Chelsea, much of which I find pretty boring. I'm not suggesting corruption, though of course curators and gallery owners live in the same small world. The problem may be that it's a very small museum. If half of the current shows at the Modern or the Met were duds, there'd still be a month's worth of other things to look at. On the other hand, the Whitney's recent Burchfield show was an utter marvel. At 07:04 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: On 11/29/2010 3:17 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space at Poets House Since 2001, Poets House has presented a series of exhibitions that honor the relationship between written and visual media, including paintings, drawings, prints, photography, book arts, sculpture, architectural models and archival manuscripts, correspondence and journals. At Poets House's new home in Battery Park City, exhibitions are held in the Cheney Chappell Exhibition Space, a glass-walled, spherical gallery. Cantilevered over the lobby, the exhibition space appears to float in air, especially when illuminated at night. Exhibits showcase gems from the Poets House collection and innovative poetry-related works from around the world. -- Bob, you might find something you like therein. Finnegan You would certainly think so, wouldn't you, James. Somehow, I suspect nothing there is what I'd call visual poetry--i.e., a fusion of poetry and visimagery (my term for Visual art). Maybe something by Jenny Holzer. One reason I say this is the description, another my impression of Poets House based on the poets they invite to do readings, and a third the fact none of my friends in visual poetry have mentioned having anything in this exhibit, as at least one of them certainly should if visual poetry were part of it. But if I lived in New York, I'd go see it. Last summer when I was in New York, I meant to visit Poets House but forgot to. I went to the Whitney, I think, instead, which I enjoyed but wasn't inspired by, and though at least half the stuff on display was crap. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 29 20:23:20 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:23:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: RIP Bella Akhmadulina Message-ID: <8CD5E444ED24507-1EE4-5B2B@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iUpCD4fv_IoKKfU_8ExWLQdt61zg?docId=46621c80ccd54e3196daed97b7fe543f Russian poet Bella Akhmadulina dies at 73 (AP) ? 6 hours ago MOSCOW (AP) ? Poet Bella Akhmadulina, whose verses have been described as one of the best in contemporary Russian literature, has died. She was 73. Akhmadulina died Monday at her home in Peredelkino just outside the capital, the Moscow Writers Union said. Her husband Boris Meserer told the ITAR-Tass news agency that she died of a heart condition. Akhmadulina published her first poems in 1955 and quickly won nationwide popularity. Her poetry was praised for its depth and bold use of metaphor. Nobel Prize winner Joseph Brodsky once described her verses as a "treasure of Russian poetry" and placed her above other poets of her generation / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Toronto would have been my nominee for best North American poetry city. My impression is that the best poets are scattered all over the country, and most are not living in big cities. > We donate books because there's a potential return. > Right, like sending out applications for grants. > There are readings around particular events, but there's no reading > series as such. If you want them to run a vizpo event get someone to > suggest it to Stephen Motika, preferably around the time that a new > vizpo compendium appears. Or propose a panel on the topic. > You're probably on to something here. Unfortunately, I've always foolishly believed in turning out the work and letting critics, curators, collectors, grants bestowers, publishers and agents, teachers and librarians discover it since for me that's more their duty than mine (although I've done my share of trying to convert others to liking my work and the work of poets I admire as a critic and publisher). But the huge majority of such people just repeat the "discoveries" of the people at the top, who are just guarding the status quo. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 30 10:59:11 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:59:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Adonis Message-ID: <8CD5EBEA9F7DEF0-1AD8-6E60@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?l=2&articleId=64668 The new book - called, simply, Adonis: Selected Poems - spans his entire career, from the early works produced in his native Syria in the 1950s and amid a post-colonial atmosphere of new Arab national consciousness, through the long, fragmented epics of the 1970s - including the work best-known to English readers Funeral for New York - and on to his most recent, crystalline, short works, tinged with erotic longing. But how important is this book to Adonis; is he much concerned that he is read in English? "I'm interested in all readers," he says. "The reader is such that what he does is a part of me, and English readers are no different from Arab readers in that regard. "The reader is the 'other', the person I am trying to reach. And that 'otherness' is also a part of me. I'm interested in the perception of non-Arab readers because they may allow me a clearer perception of myself." Indeed, it seems that Adonis feels acutely the difficulty of reaching a western readership: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The NY conurbation (sorry, that's the term) comprises 8% of the US population and in turn is a part of a megalopolis with something like 25% of the US population and probably 50% of colleges and universities. Some of the folks who live there are poets. I've done two presentations at Poets House, both following from my own suggestion to Stephen Motika. Probably better than half the events happen that way. Here's the way it works. For my book of Kozer translations I told Stephen when Kozer would be in town and asked if Poets House would be interested. He said sure, but I needed an interlocutor. So I approached Amiel Alcalay. The event was me, Kozer and Alcalay, a sort of interview/reading. For my Cuban anthology Stephen suggested a panel, and I put one together. For original books (if I were to present my latest collection, say) there would usually be an interlocutor, as well. Jerry Rothenberg recently appeared alone, but not as a poet, as editor of the 19th century volume of Poems for the Millennium. He lectured. >Right, like sending out applications for grants. > >>There are readings around particular events, >>but there's no reading series as such. If you >>want them to run a vizpo event get someone to >>suggest it to Stephen Motika, preferably around >>the time that a new vizpo compendium appears. Or propose a panel on the topic. >You're probably on to something >here. Unfortunately, I've always foolishly >believed in turning out the work and letting >critics, curators, collectors, grants bestowers, >publishers and agents, teachers and librarians >discover it since for me that's more their duty >than mine (although I've done my share of trying >to convert others to liking my work and the work >of poets I admire as a critic and >publisher). But the huge majority of such >people just repeat the "discoveries" of the >people at the top, who are just guarding the status quo. > >--Bob >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody [it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem." M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Nov 30 11:56:02 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:56:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] remembering Kunitz In-Reply-To: References: <6D0580DB-B930-468C-8796-2396AE65FD1E@verizon.net><23FFB5AF-E7F B-4CC9-9D59-086F6BB81199@ripon.edu><4CF38AA1.4010403@nut-n-but.net><8CD5DF30BAD34F9-968-3C7B@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com><4CF4014C.2070101@nut-n -but.net><8CD5E199237265B-874-2125F@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com><4CF4416 A.2020806@nut-n-but.net><4CF4DF4A.1030001@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4CF52CA2.3070100@nut-n-but.net> Thanks for the tips, Mark. I'm beginning to think I might try for something at Poets House, as I hope to be in the New York area this coming summer--and my friend Marton Koppany will be in the states sometime then. He definitely deserves a reading/exhibit. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 12:21:32 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:21:32 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Vogue : Black Boots Message-ID: by yours, truly http://ex-ex-lit.blogspot.com/2010/11/poem-anny-ballardini_30.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m almost sure, residing where it does on a server farm somewhere, the God App must feel almost omniscient, I?m certain it can hear a billion voices all at once, and yet parse each sentence down to syllable, unto bit. And it always knows where it is because, unlike GPS, it?s everywhere all at once, a compass rose window, visionary, locked into the Hubble as it hovers without horizons above the earth. I have noticed, too, that sometimes my phone seems to come on all by itself, sitting there in the dark on the bedside table. When I reach for it, it flashes, and the screen goes dark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s said that > the app was developed by a company > called primemover.com, a virtual > company of no fixed address. > I?m almost sure, residing where it does > on a server farm somewhere, the God App > must feel almost omniscient, > I?m certain it can hear a billion voices all > at once, and yet parse each sentence > down to syllable, unto bit. And it always > knows where it is because, unlike GPS, > it?s everywhere all at once, a compass rose > window, visionary, locked into the Hubble > as it hovers without horizons above the earth. > I have noticed, > too, that sometimes my phone seems to come on > all by itself, sitting there in the dark > on the bedside table. When I reach for it, > it flashes, and the screen goes dark. > > > I like it. Is it yours, James? I'll add something in a similar vein: God's Secretary Her email in-box always overflows. Her out-box doesn't get much use at all. She puts on hold the umpteen-billionth call As music oozes forth to placate those Who wait, then disconnect. Outside, wind blows, Scything green leaves. She sees a sparrow fall, Fluttering to a claw-catch on a wall. Will He be in today? God only knows. She's never seen His face--He's so aloof-- And long resigned He'll neither know nor love her, She can still wish there were some call, some proof That He requires some greater service of her. Fingers of rain now drum upon the roof, Coming from somewhere, somewhere far above her. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 20:01:28 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:01:28 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] New work online at The Salt River Review Message-ID: The *Salt River Review* is pleased to announce the addition of "Filch & Seventh," a poem by James A. Hawley, "Holy Family" a prose poem by Nick Ripatrazone, and "Magic Wonder," a short story by Shirley Sullivan, to the Fall/Winter issue. *Fall/Winter** 2010 issue ** of The Salt River Review, with Poetry by* Tad Richards, Laura Jensen, Hillary Hays, Skip Fox, Josepha Gutelius, Liliana Ursu, Lynn Strongin, Millicent Borges Accardi, Keith Moul, Nic Sebastian, Jeannine Savard, Sergio Ortiz, Liz Ahl, Anastasia Hager, Sheila E. Murphy, James A. Hawley, John Morgan, Marcus Bales, Wendy Carlisle, Paulann Petersen, Ed Harkness, Frances Ruhlen McConnel, Carlos Reyes, Greg Simon, & Tess Gallagher. *Fiction* by Kulpreet Yadav, Lori White, Donna D. Vitucci, Robert Vaughan, Tim Tomlinson, Tessa Smith McGovern, Janis Einfelds, trans. Inara Cedrins, Shirley Sullivan, & John Danahy. *Belles Lettres: Wherein prose poems, nonfiction, essays, and other writings are found:* Skip Fox, John Yohe, Laura Jensen, Nick Ripatrazone, Reamy Jansen, & Greg Simon. And an *Afterword:* Greg Simon, Lynda Schor, James Cervantes. http://www.poetserv.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 30 21:43:09 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:43:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] God App In-Reply-To: <8CD5F167FBB18C5-212C-84E6@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> References: <5b874.284c9264.3a26f1d3@cs.com> <8CD5F167FBB18C5-212C-84E6@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD5F189FDCECFC-212C-8AB5@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> I'lll fess up...tis mine. Both of us having a some fun, it seems...yet a more serious theme roiling the ether. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Nov 30, 2010 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] God App In a message dated 11/30/2010 5:39:31 PM Central Standard Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: God App Thus far over 400 million people have downloaded the God App. You can choose various icons for the God App, like a burning bush or a cloud shot through with light. The God App doesn?t really do anything. It?s just there on your screen should you need it. If you touch it, it asks: ?Do you want to pray now?? After a few seconds you are prompted, FINISH &SEND?. Once sent, the word RECEIVED comes back as confirmation, which is comforting. It?s said that the app was developed by a company called primemover.com, a virtual company of no fixed address. I?m almost sure, residing where it does on a server farm somewhere, the God App must feel almost omniscient, I?m certain it can hear a billion voices all at once, and yet parse each sentence down to syllable, unto bit. And it always knows where it is because, unlike GPS, it?s everywhere all at once, a compass rose window, visionary, locked into the Hubble as it hovers without horizons above the earth. I have noticed, too, that sometimes my phone seems to come on all by itself, sitting there in the dark on the bedside table. When I reach for it, it flashes, and the screen goes dark. I like it. Is it yours, James? I'll add something in a similar vein: God's Secretary Her email in-box always overflows. Her out-box doesn't get much use at all. She puts on hold the umpteen-billionth call As music oozes forth to placate those Who wait, then disconnect. Outside, wind blows, Scything green leaves. She sees a sparrow fall, Fluttering to a claw-catch on a wall. Will He be in today? God only knows. She's never seen His face--He's so aloof-- And long resigned He'll neither know nor love her, She can still wish there were some call, some proof That He requires some greater service of her. Fingers of rain now drum upon the roof, Coming from somewhere, somewhere far above her. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 23:33:45 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 05:33:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] God App In-Reply-To: <8CD5F189FDCECFC-212C-8AB5@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> References: <5b874.284c9264.3a26f1d3@cs.com> <8CD5F167FBB18C5-212C-84E6@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> <8CD5F189FDCECFC-212C-8AB5@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wonderful both, I want to write one today, too. Anny On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:43 AM, wrote: > I'lll fess up...tis mine. Both of us having a some fun, it seems...yet a > more serious theme roiling the ether. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, Nov 30, 2010 7:33 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] God App > > In a message dated 11/30/2010 5:39:31 PM Central Standard Time, > jforjames at aol.com writes: > > > God App > > > Thus far over 400 million people > have downloaded the God App. > You can choose various icons > for the God App, like a burning bush > or a cloud shot through with light. > The God App doesn?t really > do anything. It?s just there > on your screen should you need it. > If you touch it, it asks: ?Do you > want to pray now?? After a few seconds > you are prompted, FINISH &SEND?. > Once sent, the word RECEIVED > comes back as confirmation, > which is comforting. It?s said that > the app was developed by a company > called primemover.com, a virtual > company of no fixed address. > I?m almost sure, residing where it does > on a server farm somewhere, the God App > must feel almost omniscient, > I?m certain it can hear a billion voices all > at once, and yet parse each sentence > down to syllable, unto bit. And it always > knows where it is because, unlike GPS, > it?s everywhere all at once, a compass rose > window, visionary, locked into the Hubble > as it hovers without horizons above the earth. > I have noticed, > too, that sometimes my phone seems to come on > all by itself, sitting there in the dark > on the bedside table. When I reach for it, > it flashes, and the screen goes dark. > > > > > I like it. Is it yours, James? I'll add something in a similar vein: > > *God's Secretary * > > Her email in-box always overflows. > Her out-box doesn't get much use at all. > She puts on hold the umpteen-billionth call > As music oozes forth to placate those > Who wait, then disconnect. Outside, wind blows, > Scything green leaves. She sees a sparrow fall, > Fluttering to a claw-catch on a wall. > Will He be in today? God only knows. > > She's never seen His face--He's so aloof-- > And long resigned He'll neither know nor love her, > She can still wish there were some call, some proof > That He requires some greater service of her. > Fingers of rain now drum upon the roof, > Coming from somewhere, somewhere far above her. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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