From cervantes.james  Tue Jun  1 05:41:31 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jun  1 05:41:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
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Barcelona Review is pretty nice.  But what about The Salt River Review?

- Jim

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Barcelona Review
> & others of course
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>>
>> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?  Particularly,
>> I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose (either creative or
>> analytic).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Newberry
>>
>> --
>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 06:07:16 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 06:07:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
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When I had to take my fiction and non-fiction exams, I read The NewYorker,
advised by one of our Professors.


On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:

> Barcelona Review is pretty nice.  But what about The Salt River Review?
>
> - Jim
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Barcelona Review
>> & others of course
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>>>
>>> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?
>>> Particularly, I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose
>>> (either creative or analytic).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>
>>> --
>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From halvard  Tue Jun  1 07:42:35 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue Jun  1 07:42:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
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Good way to keep up on Updike.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> When I had to take my fiction and non-fiction exams, I read The NewYorker,
> advised by one of our Professors.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Barcelona Review is pretty nice.  But what about The Salt River Review?
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Barcelona Review
>>> & others of course
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> Halvard Johnson
>>> ================
>>>
>>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>>
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>>>>
>>>> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?
>>>> Particularly, I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose
>>>> (either creative or analytic).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
>> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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From halvard  Tue Jun  1 07:48:51 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue Jun  1 07:48:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
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SRR's got a great fiction editor.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:

> Barcelona Review is pretty nice.  But what about The Salt River Review?
>
> - Jim
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Barcelona Review
>> & others of course
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>>>
>>> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?
>>> Particularly, I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose
>>> (either creative or analytic).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>
>>> --
>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 08:11:04 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 08:11:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] goodreads party covered by wsj
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Ah, that Amy, she is incredible!

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:41 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704366504575278844238262052.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>
> The way Thursday evening worked is like this: The first hour involved
> cocktails at the Housing Works Bookstore and Caf? in SoHo. Then there were
> readings by Colson Whitehead ("Sag Harbor"), Emily St. John Mandel ("The
> Singers Gun") and poet Amy King, who runs a popular poetry group on
> Goodreads. Then it was off to the actual pub crawl: Botanica on Houston; Tom
> & Jerry's on Elizabeth, with the crew ending up eventually at KGB on East
> Fourth.
>
>
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>


-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From grahamd  Tue Jun  1 09:15:02 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Tue Jun  1 09:15:02 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Favorite Online Journals?
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Jeff,

My Poetry Library contains a page of links to online journals:

    http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/Journals.html

I don't love all these equally, of course, but I also don't link to journals I find amateurish.

In terms of good prose about poetry, the first one I'd turn to would be Valparaiso.  Jacket is also fabulous, though with a rather different aesthetic.  

Others:  Narrative Magazine.  Salt River Review, as has been mentioned.  The Prose Poem.  Many others.  

And a new one I am associated with--Verse Wisconsin.  Has an online as well as a print version.  Not only new, but hungry for good prose.  

While I'm at it, I haven't plugged my Poetry Library here lately, so allow me to invite people to visit if they haven't, or re-visit to see what's new.  I am always interested in suggestions for additions to my library.:

    http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html




========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
==========================================




On May 31, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote:

> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
> 
> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?  Particularly, I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose (either creative or analytic).
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Newberry
> 
> -- 
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry

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From grahamd  Tue Jun  1 09:22:57 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Tue Jun  1 09:22:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Speaking of Verse Wisconsin...
Message-ID: <15E622E8-4405-40C1-9BC5-FFC7B3CF040F@ripon.edu>

This just in from Verse Wisconsin co-editor Sarah Busse:

"Attention Poet Friends: Verse Wisconsin announces the new theme for VW's Fall issue (reading June 1-Aug1)--up later today on the website--poetry, video poetry & visual poetry all welcome: ?On the Road.? We?re interested in the signs you read along the way (Yield, Bumpy Road Ahead, Watch Out for Falling Rocks, Exit Only), the road less traveled, or the one you drive each day. We?re looking for concrete and gravel, overpass and tunnel, metaphorical and allegorical and any other sort of road poem you want to send our way. We want the poems that get lost along the way, and the poems that make it home. Roads paved with good intentions, or asphalt, or maybe not paved at all."

Submission details, etc.:  http://www.versewisconsin.org/submissions.html

While you're at the site, why not look around at the online features?



========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

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From Opus40-01  Tue Jun  1 10:09:52 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Tue Jun  1 10:09:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKcTMKEUxDVIoihzkmiL0DHZsWHF8AKBI01n3o@mail.gmail.com>
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    Valparaiso, Cortland -- I don't know about journals that
    particularly focus on prose.


Jeff Newberry wrote:
> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>
> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?  
> Particularly, I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose 
> (either creative or analytic).
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Newberry
>
> -- 
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; 
> and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular 
> people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate 
> and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>   

-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From grahamd  Tue Jun  1 10:38:25 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Tue Jun  1 10:38:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
Message-ID: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>

     Lines beginning Poem 1 from the latest edition:

To live each day as if it might be the last
Is an injunction that Marcus Aurelius
Inscribes in his journal to remind himself
That he, too, however privileged, is mortal,
That whatever bounty is destined to reach him
Has reached him already, many times.

--fr. "A Maxim"

     Lines beginning Poem 2:

Probability, like time, is its own dimension.
The ?86 Chevy Suburban laced by rust,
pocked with bird poop, antenna wiggling
in its Bondo-clogged hole is only one way
the story begins. In another, we never
bought the blue behemoth?we bought
a ?63 Oldsmobile from a lady named Dolores.

--fr. "Pimp My Ride"




========================================
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From c.a.b.daly  Tue Jun  1 10:47:40 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Tue Jun  1 10:47:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKcTMKEUxDVIoihzkmiL0DHZsWHF8AKBI01n3o@mail.gmail.com>
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Online only?  The Believer Online version.  I like McSweeney's Web part.
 Rain Taxi online for reviews.

StoryQuarterly.  Pedestal.  Hunger Mountain.


On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:

> Howdy, NewPoet folks,
>
> A question:  what is your favorite online literary journal?  Particularly,
> I'm looking for journals that publish really fine prose (either creative or
> analytic).
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Newberry
>
> --
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>
>
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From halvard  Tue Jun  1 11:12:54 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:12:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
References: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinf0FRLPM3jgnjkhILY-1cymOiq34ScCElw5_G8@mail.gmail.com>

You had to ask?

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:

>      Lines beginning Poem 1 from the latest edition:
>
> To live each day as if it might be the last
> Is an injunction that Marcus Aurelius
> Inscribes in his journal to remind himself
> That he, too, however privileged, is mortal,
> That whatever bounty is destined to reach him
> Has reached him already, many times.
>
> --fr. "A Maxim"
>
>      Lines beginning Poem 2:
>
> Probability, like time, is its own dimension.
> The ?86 Chevy Suburban laced by rust,
> pocked with bird poop, antenna wiggling
> in its Bondo-clogged hole is only one way
> the story begins. In another, we never
> bought the blue behemoth?we bought
> a ?63 Oldsmobile from a lady named Dolores.
>
> --fr. "Pimp My Ride"
>
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
>
>
>
>
>
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From millb  Tue Jun  1 11:21:45 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:21:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
References: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
Message-ID: <8CCCFC65A9CFCE2-1B94-227B@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com>

Friends and I used to joke around in grad school that you had to write about water to get in The New Yorker, and, for a long run of time, it seemed as if EVERY poem, edition, after edition had at least a mention of water (the sea, a lake, sewer or even a shower in a Sharon Olds poem).  For months this "run" lasted. . .


Millicent 

Review: http://gentlyread.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/to-the-other-side-and-back-again-millicent-borges-accardis-woman-on-a-shaky-bridge/
Interview: http://womensvoicesforchange.org/millicent-borges-accardi-woman-on-a-shaky-bridge.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu &amp; Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:41 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?



     Lines beginning Poem 1 from the latest edition:



To live each day as if it might be the last
Is an injunction that Marcus Aurelius
Inscribes in his journal to remind himself
That he, too, however privileged, is mortal,
That whatever bounty is destined to reach him
Has reached him already, many times.


--fr. "A Maxim"

     Lines beginning Poem 2:




Probability, like time, is its own dimension.
The ?86 Chevy Suburban laced by rust,
pocked with bird poop, antenna wiggling
in its Bondo-clogged hole is only one way
the story begins. In another, we never
bought the blue behemoth?we bought
a ?63 Oldsmobile from a lady named Dolores.


--fr. "Pimp My Ride"








========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu


Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
==========================================






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From GrahamD  Tue Jun  1 11:24:58 2010
From: GrahamD (Graham, David)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:24:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinf0FRLPM3jgnjkhILY-1cymOiq34ScCElw5_G8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
	<AANLkTinf0FRLPM3jgnjkhILY-1cymOiq34ScCElw5_G8@mail.gmail.com>
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Asking is optional, as is answering.

Anything you write can and may be used against you in the court of  
public opinion.

David Graham
Grahamd at Ripon.edu
------------------------
Home page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:16 PM, "Halvard Johnson" <halvard at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> You had to ask?
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>  
> wrote:
>      Lines beginning Poem 1 from the latest edition:
>
> To live each day as if it might be the last
> Is an injunction that Marcus Aurelius
> Inscribes in his journal to remind himself
> That he, too, however privileged, is mortal,
> That whatever bounty is destined to reach him
> Has reached him already, many times.
>
> --fr. "A Maxim"
>
>      Lines beginning Poem 2:
>
> Probability, like time, is its own dimension.
> The ?86 Chevy Suburban laced by rust,
> pocked with bird poop, antenna wiggling
> in its Bondo-clogged hole is only one way
> the story begins. In another, we never
> bought the blue behemoth?we bought
> a ?63 Oldsmobile from a lady named Dolores.
>
> --fr. "Pimp My Ride"
>
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From c.a.b.daly  Tue Jun  1 11:44:50 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:44:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinf0FRLPM3jgnjkhILY-1cymOiq34ScCElw5_G8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
	<AANLkTinf0FRLPM3jgnjkhILY-1cymOiq34ScCElw5_G8@mail.gmail.com>
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this is in response to the Dana Goodyear dust up?  I can't think of a big
periodical that doesn't preferentially publish junior staffers.

the water - New Yorker thing under Howard Moss was the subject of an essay
back then

the bad poems by good poets thing is about Alice Quinn, who did all that
Elizabeth Bishop work

-- 
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From newpoetry  Tue Jun  1 11:49:00 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:49:00 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
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The second reminds me of Howard Nemerov's Ozymandias II:

I met a guy I used to know, who said:
"You take your '57 Karnak, now,
The model that they called their Coop de Veal
That had the pointy rubber boobs for bumpers--
You take that car, owned by a nigger now
Likelier'n not, with half its chromium teeth
Knocked down its throat and aerial ripped off,
Side stitched with like bullets where the stripping's gone
And rust like a fungus spreading on the fenders,

Well, what I mean, that fucking car still runs,
Even the moths in the upholstery are old
But it gets around, you see one on the street
Beat-up and proud, well, Jeezus what a country,
Where even the monuments keep on the move." 


Definitely not in New Yorker style.

One of the strangest NYer poem thingies I've seen is when they published two or three of Ted Hughes' rhyming children's verses about moon-life with the line ends re-jiggered to hide the rhymes.

On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:41, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:

>      Lines beginning Poem 1 from the latest edition:
> 
> To live each day as if it might be the last
> Is an injunction that Marcus Aurelius
> Inscribes in his journal to remind himself
> That he, too, however privileged, is mortal,
> That whatever bounty is destined to reach him
> Has reached him already, many times.
> 
> --fr. "A Maxim"
> 
>      Lines beginning Poem 2:
> 
> Probability, like time, is its own dimension.
> The ?86 Chevy Suburban laced by rust,
> pocked with bird poop, antenna wiggling
> in its Bondo-clogged hole is only one way
> the story begins. In another, we never
> bought the blue behemoth?we bought
> a ?63 Oldsmobile from a lady named Dolores.
> 
> --fr. "Pimp My Ride"
> 
> 
> 
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
> 
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
> 
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jforjames  Tue Jun  1 13:00:23 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:00:23 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Andrei Voznesensky, Defiant Russian Poet, Dies at 77
Message-ID: <8CCCFD42543E991-1450-1D3C@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>



http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/andrei-voznesensky-defiant-russian-poet-dies-at-77/

Mr. Voznesensky and poets like Yevgeny Yevtushenko, Bella Akhmadulina and Robert Rozhedestvensky burst onto the stage in the cultural ?thaw? that followed Stalin?s death in 1953 and rose to extraordinary stardom in the 1960s, filling whole stadiums for poetry readings and attracting worldwide attention for the power of their verse and as symbols of youthful defiance


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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 13:23:12 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:23:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>

*Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*

 Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a project about the
careers of poets and literary prose writers.  How do poets and other
literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing
talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes you?ve only told your
closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the stories, not in names and
places.  We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange. And, if we use your
anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.  **

Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com  by July 1, 2010
under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?




-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 13:24:31 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:24:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] qarrtsiluni: the crowd
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaByKvzXqIzOfcHu1U7kagEtrcy8h9_ndF4XcE@mail.gmail.com>

http://qarrtsiluni.com/2010/06/01/call-for-submissions-the-crowd/

The crowd, the flock, the herd, the mob, the swarm, the tribe: we are
simultaneously fascinated and repelled by this super-organism, capable at
times of great beauty and even wisdom (cf. *The Wisdom of Crowds*) and at
other times of appalling ugliness and violence. Aristotle defined humanity
as an animal whose nature it is to live in a *polis*, but in all ages we
seem incapable of deciding whether this is a good or bad thing; one
commentator?s inspiring revolutionary struggle is another?s mob rule. For
the next issue of qarrtsiluni, we are open to all perspectives, positive and
negative, historical and biological, on crowds and other aggregations of
social animals. Inspiration can be sought in the ecstasy and fervor of the
stadium, the battalion, the game, the march, the final episode, the fad, the
stampede ? or the collective consciousness in general. With the planet?s
burgeoning human population threatening to exceed our ecological carrying
capacity, and so many crises now requiring urgent collective action, it
seems imperative for artists and writers, so often antisocial ourselves and
preoccupied with the struggles of individuals, to turn our attention to
sociality in its most vital and basic form.

We welcome submissions from all genres that we regularly consider: poems (no
more than five per submission, please), prose (no more than 1000 words per
story or essay), photos, videos, or other digitized artwork. For this issue,
we will also entertain suggestions for crowd-sourced compositions. Email us
with a proposal, and you might find yourself in charge of a wiki or survey
set up for the nonce.

As always, please refer to the general guidelines for complete details on
how and what to submit. One big change: we have taken down our online
contact form. Too many submissions have been lost that way in recent months.

There are no guest editors this time; we are editing this issue ourselves.
(See the About page for our bios, if you?re interested in knowing just who
you?re dealing with.) The deadline for submissions is June 30, and we expect
to begin serializing the issue in August.

We hope to hear from you soon!


Beth Adams and Dave Bonta
Managing Editors, qarrtsiluni

-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From cervantes.james  Tue Jun  1 13:37:45 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:37:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilWxn99j-M84tsnlBDerp6dz3JHkrFN28E-E_sJ@mail.gmail.com>

"move ahead in their careers"?  Is this for those who went to the famous
writers school advertised on matchbook covers?

- Jim, one step backward

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
>
>  Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a project about the
> careers of poets and literary prose writers.  How do poets and other
> literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing
> talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes you?ve only told your
> closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the stories, not in names and
> places.  We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange. And, if we use your
> anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.  **
>
> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com  by July 1, 2010
> under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


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http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 13:41:21 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:41:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilWxn99j-M84tsnlBDerp6dz3JHkrFN28E-E_sJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilWxn99j-M84tsnlBDerp6dz3JHkrFN28E-E_sJ@mail.gmail.com>
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Don't know, I also stepped out there, whatever...

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:

> "move ahead in their careers"?  Is this for those who went to the famous
> writers school advertised on matchbook covers?
>
> - Jim, one step backward
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
>>
>>  Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a project about the
>> careers of poets and literary prose writers.  How do poets and other
>> literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing
>> talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes you?ve only told your
>> closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the stories, not in names and
>> places.  We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange. And, if we use
>> your anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.  **
>>
>> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com  by July 1, 2010
>> under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anny Ballardini
>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
>> star!
>> Friedrich Nietzsche
>>
>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
>> Giovenale
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>
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> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From cervantes.james  Tue Jun  1 13:57:29 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jun  1 13:57:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
In-Reply-To: <1410044367-1275353524-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-197001016-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <AANLkTimKcTMKEUxDVIoihzkmiL0DHZsWHF8AKBI01n3o@mail.gmail.com>
	<1410044367-1275353524-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-197001016-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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VPR is consistenly good.  An example: "The VPR Poem of the Week is James
Cervantes?s ?Spring
Loaded,?<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=bc34c21ab0c38ec341d3e489145e5667&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2FCervantes.html>
which
appeared in the Fall/Winter 1999-2000
issue<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=12cc2b6ba5d81e3ea7f134d105885df8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2Fv1n1.html>
(Volume
I, Number 1) of Valparaiso Poetry
Review<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=fc1ee4828b4727453eda95f08f72053b&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2F>
."

Couldn't resist.  I don't often get the chance to toot a horn.

- Jim

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, <almaginnes at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm partial to Valparaiso Poetry Review, but I have to admit online
> journals aren't my area of expertise.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:46:47
> To: NewPoetry<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
>
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jun  1 14:16:06 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jun  1 14:16:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
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An excellent choice!

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:00 PM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:

> VPR is consistenly good.  An example: "The VPR Poem of the Week is James
> Cervantes?s ?Spring Loaded,?<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=bc34c21ab0c38ec341d3e489145e5667&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2FCervantes.html> which
> appeared in the Fall/Winter 1999-2000 issue<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=12cc2b6ba5d81e3ea7f134d105885df8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2Fv1n1.html> (Volume
> I, Number 1) of Valparaiso Poetry Review<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=fc1ee4828b4727453eda95f08f72053b&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2F>
> ."
>
> Couldn't resist.  I don't often get the chance to toot a horn.
>
> - Jim
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, <almaginnes at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm partial to Valparaiso Poetry Review, but I have to admit online
>> journals aren't my area of expertise.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:46:47
>> To: NewPoetry<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
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http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From bobgrumman  Tue Jun  1 14:34:20 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jun  1 14:34:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFC65A9CFCE2-1B94-227B@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com>
References: <E92C9A3A-96B3-4002-BEF3-217D90CB6DD3@ripon.edu>
	<8CCCFC65A9CFCE2-1B94-227B@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com>
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Is there such a thing as a New Yorker style of poetry as opposed to 
simply a standard mainstream American poem (by whatever name)?

--Bob G.

From bobgrumman  Tue Jun  1 14:42:51 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jun  1 14:42:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
In-Reply-To: <E3BE5B5F-CFB8-4FA9-8E9D-59258432D2B0@mikesnider.org>
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	<E3BE5B5F-CFB8-4FA9-8E9D-59258432D2B0@mikesnider.org>
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Mike Snider wrote:
> The second reminds me of Howard Nemerov's Ozymandias II:
>
> I met a guy I used to know, who said:
> "You take your '57 Karnak, now,
> The model that they called their Coop de Veal
> That had the pointy rubber boobs for bumpers--
> You take that car, owned by a nigger now
> Likelier'n not, with half its chromium teeth
> Knocked down its throat and aerial ripped off,
> Side stitched with like bullets where the stripping's gone
> And rust like a fungus spreading on the fenders,
>
> Well, what I mean, that fucking car still runs,
> Even the moths in the upholstery are old
> But it gets around, you see one on the street
> Beat-up and proud, well, Jeezus what a country,
> Where even the monuments keep on the move." 
>
>
> Definitely not in New Yorker style.
I dunno, Mike.  Seems to me a New Yorker poem in style but not in 
register.  But I'm probably being too cute with words in order to defend
my thesis about New Yorker poems being standard poems, as the Nemerov 
one, which I like, is
>
> One of the strangest NYer poem thingies I've seen is when they 
> published two or three of Ted Hughes' rhyming children's verses about 
> moon-life with the line ends re-jiggered to hide the rhymes.

Interesting.  I suppose I might say that all the Establishment 
publishers of poetry use poems in the same general style, but that 
perhaps each has its own specific style--the difference between GM and 
Ford cars in the fifties.


--Bob
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From jforjames  Tue Jun  1 15:16:06 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun  1 15:16:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzfjpB6LcbV-njjf0jlvhL9p4A7F2LYjAn1OVK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTilWxn99j-M84tsnlBDerp6dz3JHkrFN28E-E_sJ@mail.gmail.com>
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Anny, one famous Italian poet put it this way... 
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

Finnegan
-----Original Message-----
From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book


Don't know, I also stepped out there, whatever...


On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote:

"move ahead in their careers"?  Is this for those who went to the famous writers school advertised on matchbook covers?


- Jim, one step backward




On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:





Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
 Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a project about the careers of poets and literary prose writers.  How do poets and other literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes you?ve only told your closest friends. We?re interested only in the stories, not in names and places.  We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange. And, if we use your anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.  
Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com  by July 1, 2010 under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?






-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale




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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/


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-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale



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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jun  1 15:42:03 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jun  1 15:42:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris
	Hamilton-Emery
In-Reply-To: <SNT135-w3889BB20E6FC4CED36D39E80E20@phx.gbl>
References: <201005042116.o44LG0KE028342@wiz.cath.vt.edu>, ,
	<462D92D2-99B7-4446-996A-90F79C7590BC@verizon.net>, ,
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The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad, iPod, podcasts, digital video, computers and who knows what else. What do they all mean for the poet? For Poetry? UK poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.
Best wishes,
Nic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. 
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From halvard  Tue Jun  1 16:02:03 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue Jun  1 16:02:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>
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Hmm, I wonder if we can make things up. That
might be fun.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
>
>  Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a project about the
> careers of poets and literary prose writers.  How do poets and other
> literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing
> talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes you?ve only told your
> closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the stories, not in names and
> places.  We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange. And, if we use your
> anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.  **
>
> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com  by July 1, 2010
> under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
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From grahamd  Tue Jun  1 16:05:32 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Tue Jun  1 16:05:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimCW6mhN9GJ8T9DCO-ZAeyAwAZiydEFCPSgGu82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwy7QyHBbJ8oRQV2MzPjArO7f4qDlJ6HR1ONr1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimCW6mhN9GJ8T9DCO-ZAeyAwAZiydEFCPSgGu82@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jun 1, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote:

> Hmm, I wonder if we can make things up. 
> 
> Hal
--------------------------


You have to ask?  :)


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

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Poetry Library:
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From jforjames  Tue Jun  1 16:27:06 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun  1 16:27:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris
	Hamilton-Emery
In-Reply-To: <SNT135-w2825BFE1F0AA3496DDC2E080EF0@phx.gbl>
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	<462D92D2-99B7-4446-996A-90F79C7590BC@verizon.net>, ,
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Nic, your question prompted my post...
http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/05/luddite-moment.html

Finnegan

-----Original Message-----
From: Nic Sebastian <nic_sebastian at hotmail.com>
To: New Poetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:44 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris Hamilton-Emery


The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad, iPod, podcasts, digital video, computers and who knows what else. What do they all mean for the poet? For Poetry? UK poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.


Best wishes,


Nic Sebastian
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From jforjames  Tue Jun  1 16:29:53 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun  1 16:29:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Cottonwoods
Message-ID: <8CCCFF16FE95148-2D98-1FC1@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>


The Cottonwoods
 
 
Reality check: How long before 
he reels in to check?  In late May 
when the cottonwoods release their fluff, 
 
tufted seeds that loll and luff in the warm breeze,
it?s easy to get dreamy, to drowse
and fall into a stupor called memory. 
 
Maybe the boy is still fishing on the banks
of that brown river. Maybe he thinks his line 
is still baited. That anything is possible.

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From cervantes.james  Tue Jun  1 16:44:38 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jun  1 16:44:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris 
	Hamilton-Emery
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFF104590218-2D98-1F3E@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
References: <201005042116.o44LG0KE028342@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
	<462D92D2-99B7-4446-996A-90F79C7590BC@verizon.net>
	<4BF31E0A.9090903@nut-n-but.net>
	<SNT135-w3889BB20E6FC4CED36D39E80E20@phx.gbl>
	<SNT135-w2825BFE1F0AA3496DDC2E080EF0@phx.gbl>
	<8CCCFF104590218-2D98-1F3E@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
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Indeed, just flotsom in the sea, as we've always been.

- Jim

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> Nic, your question prompted my post...
> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/05/luddite-moment.html
>  Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nic Sebastian <nic_sebastian at hotmail.com>
> To: New Poetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:44 pm
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris
> Hamilton-Emery
>
>  The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad, iPod, podcasts,
> digital video, computers and who knows what else. What do they all mean for
> the poet? For Poetry? UK poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten
> Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.
>
>  Best wishes,
>
>  Nic Sebastian
> http://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
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http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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From jforjames  Tue Jun  1 19:08:24 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun  1 19:08:24 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Questionnaire=3A_Eil=C3=A9an_N=C3=AD_Chui?=
	=?utf-8?b?bGxlYW7DoWlu?=
Message-ID: <8CCD00795CFF388-2134-EDE@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>


The Griffin Poetry Prize Questionnaire: Eil?an N? Chuillean?in
http://arts.nationalpost.com/2010/06/01/the-griffin-poetry-prize-questionnaire-eilean-ni-chuilleanain/#ixzz0peaH5h28

There is a relation between language and truth that is very subtle and is always changing. For the reader or listener who can appreciate the constant shifting, each new poem one finds is a fresh statement of that relation.  Because in poetry there is a focus on language, the relation can be seen very clearly; also because in poetry one never has to say more than one means. We live our lives to a great extent through language, and so it must be forever fascinating to watch it, like watching the waves.



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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jun  1 21:38:54 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jun  1 21:38:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris
	Hamilton-Emery
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Finnegan - Heh. Someone else in another forum said: "I write and publish my poems on a rotary phone," which gave me a good chuckle. Can't carrier pigeons and message bottles be classified as technology, though? They were new-fangled methods of message-delivery in their day. In this post (http://bit.ly/9Tza77) I wonder about the impact of the thesaurus (first appeared in 1852) on poets and poetry. Isn't the thesaurus technology too? Dunno, but interesting to think about. 
Best wishes, Nic
Nic Sebastian

http://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com




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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris	Hamilton-Emery
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:29:22 -0400
From: jforjames at aol.com


Nic, your question prompted my post...


http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/05/luddite-moment.html




Finnegan


 


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Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Chris Hamilton-Emery









The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad, iPod, podcasts, digital video, computers and who knows what else. What do they all mean for the poet? For Poetry? UK poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.







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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 02:26:14 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 02:26:14 2010
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Can I be silly? [the bad flu can justify me]
what a terrible un_poetic face...


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:10 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> The Griffin Poetry Prize Questionnaire: Eil?an N? Chuillean?in
>
> http://arts.nationalpost.com/2010/06/01/the-griffin-poetry-prize-questionnaire-eilean-ni-chuilleanain/#ixzz0peaH5h28
>
> There is a relation between language and truth that is very subtle and is
> always changing. For the reader or listener who can appreciate the constant
> shifting, each new poem one finds is a fresh statement of that relation.
> Because in poetry there is a focus on language, the relation can be seen
> very clearly; also because in poetry one never has to say more than one
> means. We live our lives to a great extent through language, and so it must
> be forever fascinating to watch it, like watching the waves.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 06:08:31 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 06:08:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Cottonwoods
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lovely


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:32 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> The Cottonwoods
>
>
> Reality check: How long before
> he reels in to check?  In late May
> when the cottonwoods release their fluff,
>
> tufted seeds that loll and luff in the warm breeze,
> it?s easy to get dreamy, to drowse
> and fall into a stupor called memory.
>
> Maybe the boy is still fishing on the banks
> of that brown river. Maybe he thinks his line
> is still baited. That anything is possible.
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 08:08:56 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 08:08:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anne Waldman on the death of Peter Orlovsky 1933-2010
In-Reply-To: <C82AEA68.19A0C%Paul.A.Green@qbsaul.demon.co.uk>
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Make my grave shape of heart so like a flower be free aired
& handsome felt,


On the blog by Pierre Joris:

http://pierrejoris.com/blog/?p=3758



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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
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From editor  Wed Jun  2 09:03:40 2010
From: editor (David Baratier)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:03:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] re: Favorite Online Journals?
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For prose, Electric Literature is the best I've read.

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:02:41 -0400
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> Subject: [New-Poetry] Andrei Voznesensky, Defiant Russian
> Poet, Dies
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> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/andrei-voznesensky-defiant-russian-poet-dies-at-77/
> 
> Mr. Voznesensky and poets like Yevgeny Yevtushenko, Bella
> Akhmadulina and Robert Rozhedestvensky burst onto the stage
> in the cultural ???thaw??? that followed
> Stalin???s death in 1953 and rose to extraordinary
> stardom in the 1960s, filling whole stadiums for poetry
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> From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an upcoming
> Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
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> *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
> 
>  Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a
> project about the
> careers of poets and literary prose writers.? How do
> poets and other
> literary writers move ahead in their careers (other than
> via their blazing
> talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes
> you?ve only told your
> closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the stories,
> not in names and
> places.? We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange.
> And, if we use your
> anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.? **
> 
> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com?
> by July 1, 2010
> under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:27:11 +0200
> From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] qarrtsiluni: the crowd
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
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> http://qarrtsiluni.com/2010/06/01/call-for-submissions-the-crowd/
> 
> The crowd, the flock, the herd, the mob, the swarm, the
> tribe: we are
> simultaneously fascinated and repelled by this
> super-organism, capable at
> times of great beauty and even wisdom (cf. *The Wisdom of
> Crowds*) and at
> other times of appalling ugliness and violence. Aristotle
> defined humanity
> as an animal whose nature it is to live in a *polis*, but
> in all ages we
> seem incapable of deciding whether this is a good or bad
> thing; one
> commentator?s inspiring revolutionary struggle is
> another?s mob rule. For
> the next issue of qarrtsiluni, we are open to all
> perspectives, positive and
> negative, historical and biological, on crowds and other
> aggregations of
> social animals. Inspiration can be sought in the ecstasy
> and fervor of the
> stadium, the battalion, the game, the march, the final
> episode, the fad, the
> stampede ? or the collective consciousness in general.
> With the planet?s
> burgeoning human population threatening to exceed our
> ecological carrying
> capacity, and so many crises now requiring urgent
> collective action, it
> seems imperative for artists and writers, so often
> antisocial ourselves and
> preoccupied with the struggles of individuals, to turn our
> attention to
> sociality in its most vital and basic form.
> 
> We welcome submissions from all genres that we regularly
> consider: poems (no
> more than five per submission, please), prose (no more than
> 1000 words per
> story or essay), photos, videos, or other digitized
> artwork. For this issue,
> we will also entertain suggestions for crowd-sourced
> compositions. Email us
> with a proposal, and you might find yourself in charge of a
> wiki or survey
> set up for the nonce.
> 
> As always, please refer to the general guidelines for
> complete details on
> how and what to submit. One big change: we have taken down
> our online
> contact form. Too many submissions have been lost that way
> in recent months.
> 
> There are no guest editors this time; we are editing this
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> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:40:30 -0500
> From: James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,??? Views"
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> 
> "move ahead in their careers"?? Is this for those who
> went to the famous
> writers school advertised on matchbook covers?
> 
> - Jim, one step backward
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
> >
> >? Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working
> on a project about the
> > careers of poets and literary prose writers.? How
> do poets and other
> > literary writers move ahead in their careers (other
> than via their blazing
> > talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes
> you?ve only told your
> > closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the
> stories, not in names and
> > places.? We offer anonymity and gratitude in
> exchange. And, if we use your
> > anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.? **
> >
> > Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com?
> by July 1, 2010
> > under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anny Ballardini
> > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give
> birth to a dancing
> > star!
> > Friedrich Nietzsche
> >
> > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> > Giovenale
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:44:00 +0200
> From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
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> Don't know, I also stepped out there, whatever...
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, James Cervantes
> <cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > "move ahead in their careers"?? Is this for those
> who went to the famous
> > writers school advertised on matchbook covers?
> >
> > - Jim, one step backward
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>? *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming
> Sarabande book*
> >>
> >>? Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are
> working on a project about the
> >> careers of poets and literary prose writers.?
> How do poets and other
> >> literary writers move ahead in their careers
> (other than via their blazing
> >> talent?) This is your chance to share the
> anecdotes you?ve only told your
> >> closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the
> stories, not in names and
> >> places.? We offer anonymity and gratitude in
> exchange. And, if we use
> >> your anecdote, a free copy of the resulting
> book.? **
> >>
> >> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com?
> by July 1, 2010
> >> under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Anny Ballardini
> >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to
> give birth to a dancing
> >> star!
> >> Friedrich Nietzsche
> >>
> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> >> Giovenale
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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> >>
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
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> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:00:06 -0500
> From: James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
> To: almaginnes at aol.com,
> "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,
> ??? Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> ??? <AANLkTilgmA3Fp9wmWrR7j3vyVVZ41t1EyaiUcvkAK8LQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> VPR is consistenly good.? An example: "The VPR Poem of
> the Week is James
> Cervantes?s ?Spring
> Loaded,?<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=bc34c21ab0c38ec341d3e489145e5667&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2FCervantes.html>
> which
> appeared in the Fall/Winter 1999-2000
> issue<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=12cc2b6ba5d81e3ea7f134d105885df8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2Fv1n1.html>
> (Volume
> I, Number 1) of Valparaiso Poetry
> Review<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=fc1ee4828b4727453eda95f08f72053b&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2F>
> ."
> 
> Couldn't resist.? I don't often get the chance to toot
> a horn.
> 
> - Jim
> 
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, <almaginnes at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm partial to Valparaiso Poetry Review, but I have to
> admit online
> > journals aren't my area of expertise.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:46:47
> > To: NewPoetry<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:18:45 +0200
> From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,??? Views"
> ??? <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> An excellent choice!
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:00 PM, James Cervantes
> <cervantes.james at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > VPR is consistenly good.? An example: "The VPR
> Poem of the Week is James
> > Cervantes?s ?Spring Loaded,?<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=bc34c21ab0c38ec341d3e489145e5667&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2FCervantes.html>
> which
> > appeared in the Fall/Winter 1999-2000 issue<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=12cc2b6ba5d81e3ea7f134d105885df8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2Fv1n1.html>
> (Volume
> > I, Number 1) of Valparaiso Poetry Review<http://www.facebook.com/note_redirect.php?note_id=431912105803&h=fc1ee4828b4727453eda95f08f72053b&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fvpr%2F>
> > ."
> >
> > Couldn't resist.? I don't often get the chance to
> toot a horn.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, <almaginnes at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm partial to Valparaiso Poetry Review, but I
> have to admit online
> >> journals aren't my area of expertise.
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:46:47
> >> To: NewPoetry<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Favorite Online Journals?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:40:13 -0500
> From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;??? Views"
> ??? <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <4C057E3D.50208 at nut-n-but.net>
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> 
> Is there such a thing as a New Yorker style of poetry as
> opposed to 

> simply a standard mainstream American poem (by whatever
> name)?
> 
> --Bob G.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:48:43 -0500
> From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Is there a New Yorker style?
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;??? Views"
> ??? <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <4C05803B.9090501 at nut-n-but.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Mike Snider wrote:
> > The second reminds me of Howard Nemerov's Ozymandias
> II:
> >
> > I met a guy I used to know, who said:
> > "You take your '57 Karnak, now,
> > The model that they called their Coop de Veal
> > That had the pointy rubber boobs for bumpers--
> > You take that car, owned by a nigger now
> > Likelier'n not, with half its chromium teeth
> > Knocked down its throat and aerial ripped off,
> > Side stitched with like bullets where the stripping's
> gone
> > And rust like a fungus spreading on the fenders,
> >
> > Well, what I mean, that fucking car still runs,
> > Even the moths in the upholstery are old
> > But it gets around, you see one on the street
> > Beat-up and proud, well, Jeezus what a country,
> > Where even the monuments keep on the move." 
> >
> >
> > Definitely not in New Yorker style.
> I dunno, Mike.? Seems to me a New Yorker poem in style
> but not in 
> register.? But I'm probably being too cute with words
> in order to defend
> my thesis about New Yorker poems being standard poems, as
> the Nemerov 
> one, which I like, is
> >
> > One of the strangest NYer poem thingies I've seen is
> when they 
> > published two or three of Ted Hughes' rhyming
> children's verses about 
> > moon-life with the line ends re-jiggered to hide the
> rhymes.
> 
> Interesting.? I suppose I might say that all the
> Establishment 
> publishers of poetry use poems in the same general style,
> but that 
> perhaps each has its own specific style--the difference
> between GM and 
> Ford cars in the fifties.
> 
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:16:06 -0400
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Message-ID: <8CCCFE6C8658474-1E80-4F13 at webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com>
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> 
> 
> Anny, one famous Italian poet put it this way... 
> "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
> 
> Finnegan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande book
> 
> 
> Don't know, I also stepped out there, whatever...
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> "move ahead in their careers"?? Is this for those who
> went to the famous writers school advertised on matchbook
> covers?
> 
> 
> - Jim, one step backward
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book
>  Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working on a
> project about the careers of poets and literary prose
> writers.? How do poets and other literary writers move
> ahead in their careers (other than via their blazing
> talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes
> you???ve only told your closest friends. We???re
> interested only in the stories, not in names and
> places.? We offer anonymity and gratitude in exchange.
> And, if we use your anecdote, a free copy of the resulting
> book.? 
> Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com?
> by July 1, 2010 under the heading ???Book
> Anecdote.???
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing star! 
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> ?? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ??
> Giovenale
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing star! 
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> ?? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ??
> Giovenale
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ew-Poetry mailing list
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:44:43 -0400
> From: Nic Sebastian <nic_sebastian at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets &
> Technology: Chris
> ??? Hamilton-Emery
> To: New Poetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <SNT135-w2825BFE1F0AA3496DDC2E080EF0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad,
> iPod, podcasts, digital video, computers and who knows what
> else. What do they all mean for the poet? For Poetry? UK
> poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten
> Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.
> Best wishes,
> Nic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com
> ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
> _________________________________________________________________
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple
> calendars with Hotmail. 
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:04:44 -0500
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,??? Views"
> ??? <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> ??? <AANLkTimCW6mhN9GJ8T9DCO-ZAeyAwAZiydEFCPSgGu82 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Hmm, I wonder if we can make things up. That
> might be fun.
> 
> Hal
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> 
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and
> free) is @
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
> 
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Anny Ballardini
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:
> 

> > *Call for anecdotes for an upcoming Sarabande book*
> >
> >? Jeffrey Skinner and Leslie McGrath are working
> on a project about the
> > careers of poets and literary prose writers.? How
> do poets and other
> > literary writers move ahead in their careers (other
> than via their blazing
> > talent?) This is your chance to share the anecdotes
> you?ve only told your
> > closest friends. We?re interested *only* in the
> stories, not in names and
> > places.? We offer anonymity and gratitude in
> exchange. And, if we use your
> > anecdote, a free copy of the resulting book.? **
> >
> > Please email your anecdotes to mcgrath.leslie at gmail.com?
> by July 1, 2010
> > under the heading ?Book Anecdote.?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anny Ballardini
> > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give
> birth to a dancing
> > star!
> > Friedrich Nietzsche
> >
> > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> > Giovenale
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:08:15 -0500
> From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Call for anecdotes for an
> upcoming Sarabande
> ??? book
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;??? Views"
> ??? <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <3566A44B-AD14-4C15-BD36-C4C63E105A5D at ripon.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 1, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Hmm, I wonder if we can make things up. 
> > 
> > Hal
> --------------------------
> 
> 
> You have to ask?? :)
> 
> 
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
> 
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
> 
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
> 
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:29:22 -0400
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets &
> Technology: Chris
> ??? Hamilton-Emery
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Message-ID: <8CCCFF104590218-2D98-1F3E at Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> Nic, your question prompted my post...
> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/05/luddite-moment.html
> 
> Finnegan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nic Sebastian <nic_sebastian at hotmail.com>
> To: New Poetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:44 pm
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets &
> Technology: Chris Hamilton-Emery
> 
> 
> The internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, websites, iPad,
> iPod, podcasts, digital video, computers and who knows what
> else. What do they all mean for the poet? For Poetry? UK
> poet Chris Hamilton-Emery responds this week to Ten
> Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/anbQ7A.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> 
> Nic Sebastian
> http://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com
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From c.a.b.daly  Wed Jun  2 09:47:26 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:47:26 2010
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the hall in LA when she read for the Lannan was pretty big -- she read
with Nuala
N? Dhomhnail

Anny, it is the dramatic long hair and the outfits that makes her public
persona (and Ni Dhomhnail's), sort of like Lucie Brock-Broido with more of a
presence

-- 
All best,
Catherine Daly
c.a.b.daly at gmail.com
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From jeff.newberry  Wed Jun  2 09:51:24 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:51:24 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknr8Uy9Gg8R4HQTnv2UP5S--Me1ZcZM4Cqyh0s@mail.gmail.com>

A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when
I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy (Google is
your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other
literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of *Howl  *and
that faux-movement "The Spectrists."

What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
term, delete this email.

Jeff Newberry

-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that
is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
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From almaginnes  Wed Jun  2 10:05:35 2010
From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:05:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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 Well, there was the JT Leroy thing, which made me laugh. And the Nasdiij thing as well. That one actually cost some people I knew money because they paid him to come to their schools and read that bullshit.

Al

 


 

 

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To: NewPoetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:53 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when I told her about the whole Million Little Pieces controversy (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of Howl  and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."

What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the term, delete this email.

Jeff Newberry

-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden


 
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From grahamd  Wed Jun  2 10:15:36 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:15:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re:Literary Scandal
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I'm blanking out on names & titles, of course, but for me some of the most interesting scandals involve questions of authenticity.  There was a prizewinning book of poems many years ago that I'm dimly remembering (Juniper Prize, maybe?) that seemed to be poetry of witness by a member of some oppressed minority.  Turned out to be a work of imagination, and the author was white as me.  

And wasn't there a work of prose published by some Anglo newspaperman who used a Latino pen name, and thus scandalized some readers when they discovered his actual identity?

Lord, it would be good if I had a functioning memory. . . . 




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On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:07 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote:

> Well, there was the JT Leroy thing, which made me laugh. And the Nasdiij thing as well. That one actually cost some people I knew money because they paid him to come to their schools and read that bullshit.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:53 am
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
> 
> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when I told her about the whole Million Little Pieces controversy (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of Howl  and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
> 
> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the term, delete this email.
> 
> Jeff Newberry
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From almaginnes  Wed Jun  2 10:21:01 2010
From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:21:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re:Literary Scandal
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 There was a memoir that got outed recently by a woman who claimed to have been raised by drug dealers in Compton and it turned out she was a white girl from an Ivy League school. This was in the last year or so. And there was the whole business with the poems that were supposed to have been written by a survivor of Hiroshima (David Wojahn wrote about his in his book STRANGE GOOD FORTUNE, so I can look this one up).

 


 

 

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From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:18 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re:Literary Scandal


I'm blanking out on names & titles, of course, but for me some of the most interesting scandals involve questions of authenticity.  There was a prizewinning book of poems many years ago that I'm dimly remembering (Juniper Prize, maybe?) that seemed to be poetry of witness by a member of some oppressed minority.  Turned out to be a work of imagination, and the author was white as me.  


And wasn't there a work of prose published by some Anglo newspaperman who used a Latino pen name, and thus scandalized some readers when they discovered his actual identity?


Lord, it would be good if I had a functioning memory. . . . 








========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu


Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
==========================================







On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:07 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote:


 Well, there was the JT Leroy thing, which made me laugh. And the Nasdiij thing as well. That one actually cost some people I knew money because they paid him to come to their schools and read that bullshit.

Al

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:53 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when I told her about the whole Million Little Pieces controversy (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of Howl  and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."

What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the term, delete this email.

Jeff Newberry

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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 10:26:03 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:26:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Araki Yasusada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:

> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when
> I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy (Google is
> your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other
> literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of *Howl  *and
> that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>
> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
> term, delete this email.
>
> Jeff Newberry
>
> --
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>
>
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From almaginnes  Wed Jun  2 10:33:28 2010
From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:33:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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	<AANLkTikevBQqUZsVwsRgMWRHxovmr9u5sNyOBaJaUjgN@mail.gmail.com>
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 Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.

 


 

 

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From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


Araki Yasusada


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org






On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com> wrote:

A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when I told her about the whole Million Little Pieces controversy (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of Howl  and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."

What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the term, delete this email.

Jeff Newberry

-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden


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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 10:35:29 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:35:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Yes, Kent Johnson, a brilliant self.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:31 PM, <almaginnes at aol.com> wrote:

>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
>  Araki Yasusada
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of
>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>
>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>> term, delete this email.
>>
>> Jeff Newberry
>>
>> --
>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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>>
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From millb  Wed Jun  2 10:42:17 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:42:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re:review and interview
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Greetings,

I am grateful and thrilled and wanted to share a recent review of my poetry book (6-1) and interview with the list. My apologies for those who also saw this announcement on Poetry Etc.  I'd appreciate any comments posted to the Woman's Voices for Change site (where the interview is)--

Cheers,

Mill

Interview by Laura Sillerman  http://womensvoicesforchange.org/millicent-borges-accardi-woman-on-a-shaky-bridge.htm

Review Gently Read Literature
http://gentlyread.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/to-the-other-side-and-back-again-millicent-borges-accardis-woman-on-a-shaky-bridge/rdpress.com/2010/06/01/to-the-other-side-and-back-again-millicent-borges-accardis-woman-on-a-shaky-bridge/


Review
http://www.hercircleezine.com/2010/04/01/woman-on-a-shaky-bridge-by-millicent-borges-accardi/






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From millb  Wed Jun  2 10:55:57 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:55:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963 Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he did.  He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also resigned as Poet Laureate.

Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about 911).






Millicent 


-----Original Message-----
From: almaginnes at aol.com
To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.








-----Original Message-----
From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


Araki Yasusada 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org






On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com> wrote:

A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when I told her about the whole Million Little Pieces controversy (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of Howl  and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."

What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the term, delete this email.

Jeff Newberry

-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden


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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 11:03:41 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:03:41 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
own book?

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:

> What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he did.
> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>
> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about 911).
>
>
>
> Millicent
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: almaginnes at aol.com
> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
> Araki Yasusada
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of
>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>
>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>> term, delete this email.
>>
>> Jeff Newberry
>>
>> --
>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>  _______________________________________________
>
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From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:05:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Sounds like the movie: *Catch me if you can* with a brilliant Di Caprio
(whom I usually do not like) and Tom Hanks (whom I always like)


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:

> What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he did.
> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>
> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about 911).
>
>
>
> Millicent
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: almaginnes at aol.com
> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
> Araki Yasusada
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of
>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>
>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>> term, delete this email.
>>
>> Jeff Newberry
>>
>> --
>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
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>


-- 
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http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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Date: Wed Jun  2 11:13:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
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On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote:

> What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
> own book?
> 
> Hal
================

He certainly scandalized poor Ralph Waldo Emerson, who was repaid for writing the best single fan letter in American literature by having Walt crassly excerpt it, without permission, as a blurb on the cover of the second printing of Leaves of Grass.  Emerson could never get over Whitman's hucksterism, nor his sex poems; and their relationship went steadily down hill, alas.  I don't know, offhand, if RWE knew of WW's self-reviews, but I don't suppose such things were all that uncommon in the 1850s, actually.

A favorite story:  Robert Francis once was disappointed by the lack of reviews for one of his books.  So he wrote a scathing review of his own work, expecting that all his friends would leap to his defense, and the book would get noticed.

Guess how well that worked out?


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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 11:17:59 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:17:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Never liked Di Caprio until he made that Scorsese flick about
Boston cops. Hanks . . . well, Hanks is Hanks is Hanks. Not
much to dislike there, but . . .

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds like the movie: *Catch me if you can* with a brilliant Di Caprio
> (whom I usually do not like) and Tom Hanks (whom I always like)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
>> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
>> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
>> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he did.
>> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
>> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>>
>> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
>> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about 911).
>>
>>
>>
>> Millicent
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: almaginnes at aol.com
>> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>
>>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
>> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
>> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>
>> Araki Yasusada
>>
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of
>>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>>
>>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>>> term, delete this email.
>>>
>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>
>>> --
>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 11:26:52 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:26:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Re Yasusada & a few other things, this (or these) by
Eliot Weinberger:

*Three Footnotes*Eliot Weinberger
1.Whodunit

A poet I know called me out of the blue--he had never called before--to ask
point-blank if I was Araki Yasusada. He rattled off the reasons for his
belief, and I had to admit they were persuasive.

Meanwhile, the Russian critic Mikhail Epstein has brilliantly demonstrated
that Yasusada could be the work of either of two well-known Russian writers,
Andrei Bitov and Dmitry Prigov (or possibly a collaboration). Both have
previously invented authors--one of them Chinese, another
Polish-Italian-Japanese--and both have long-announced, mysteriously
unpublished "Japanese" projects. Moreover, in true conspiratologist fashion,
Epstein locates both writers at a conference in St. Petersburg with the
American purveyor of the Yasusada manuscripts, Kent Johnson, who is also the
editor of an anthology of the new Russian poetry.

And then there is the Mexican connection: Javier Alvarez, a prominent
Mexican composer living in London, claims to have been the roommate (in
Milwaukee) of Tosa Motokiyu, the pseudonymous author of Yasusada, and has
written a moving account of Motokiyu's death. I was first contacted by
"Yasusada" in response to an article of mine on forgeries published in a
Mexican art magazine.

Marjorie Perloff makes a mistake, I think, in having "Kent Johnson" stand
for the author. He/she/they should be known as the Yasusada Author, much as
we refer to a Renaissance painter as the Master of the X Altar.

The point is that those who dismiss the Yasusada poems as a cruel
imperialist joke are assuming the author is a white American male, which in
turn is based on the assumption that anyone who is not a white Euro-male
wants to speak only in an "authentic" voice. The identity of the Yasusada
Author has become so refracted that we are approaching the condition where
We Are All Yasusada--though I prefer to think of the author as a young woman
in Senegal.
2. Hiroshima, Mon Auteur

Yasusada occurs at a moment when the Eng. Dept. has split into two
contradictory "post-modernisms": multiculturalism and deconstruction (and
its spin-offs). One side wants to hear the stories that haven't been told,
and the other doubts that stories can be told. (One side, at least, still
wants to read literature.) While the creation of Yasusada may pertain to the
latter, his reception clearly belongs to the former.

Although this author did not exist, as such, I don't see the connection to
the "death of the author," a theory that neither readers nor writers can
tolerate. Pseudonymous authorship, even when fractured into heteronyms
(Pessoa), still assigns production to single named sources. True
invisibility--the "text itself"--could easily be achieved by publishing
every book and magazine contribution under a different name. Writers, as far
as one knows, have never practiced it: if one were that egoless, one
wouldn't be a writer.

Readers, of course, want an author attached to the text, and lately prefer
an attractive author or one with a sad life (or, best of all, both). This
literary parish of the American cult of celebrity becomes grotesque with the
new category of "witness poetry," a set of biographical criteria that favors
verifiable experience over imagination. (It was in the context of an article
in the *Village Voice* on Carolyn Forch's anthology,*Against Forgetting*,
that I made the first public revelation of Yasusada's pseudonymity--which
begat*Lingua Franca*, which begat Arakimania.) Yasusada simply blows the
circuits of witness poetry. As I said in the *Voice*, he is both the
greatest poet of Hiroshima and its most unreliable witness.
3. Orientalisms

Said's book was largely concerned with the "Near" and "Middle" East (those
geographical dislocations) and becomes less applicable when one approaches
20th-century Japan, a First World imperialist nation that lost the battles
but arguably won the war. The Yasusada Author, even if a white American
male, is no more an agent of colonialism than a Japanese country & western
singer.

What is worth exploring, however, is Yasusada as the latest chapter in the
American invention of Japanese poetry. The Yasusada poems are very much
written in the style, not of Japanese poetry, but of American translations
of Japanese poetry, including some hilarious intentional infelicities. As
such, they could only have been written in recent years, for they owe a
great deal to the work of Hiroaki Sato.

Sato, the most prolific translator of classical and modern Japanese poetry,
has since the 1970s vigorously promoted the idea of translating haiku and
tanka (and by extension, renga) as single English sentences without line
breaks--the way the poems are written in Japanese. (See his monumental
anthology,*From the Country of Eight Islands*, edited with Burton Watson,
who translates with traditional lineation.) Sato's work has been widely and
unjustly reviled by the academics, but it is precisely Sato's form of
presentation (and not necessarily the Japanese poems themselves) that
weirdly connect, as Perloff points out, to Ron Silliman's "new sentence,"
and that were clearly determining for the Yasusada Author.

Yasusada is not a radical poet in the context of 20th-century Japanese
poetry; his poems generally could have been written when they were supposed
to have been written. (And, for a more complex reaction to the war, see
Takamura Kotaro's *A Brief History of Imbecility*.) I agree with Perloff
that the prominence given Yasusada in American magazines is both the product
of an ignorance of modern Japanese poetry--part of a general disregard for
contemporary world poetry--and a fascination with his biography more than
his work. (The charge of criminality from the*American Poetry Review* proves
that they publish poets and their photos, not poems.) Personally, I found
the work far more interesting, and full of brilliant details, after I
learned that Yasusada was an invention. That is, I prefer "Araki Yasusada"
to Araki Yasusada as I prefer *Paterson* to Paterson.

Originally published in the Summer 1997 issue of Boston Review

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:

> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when
> I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy (Google is
> your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other
> literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of *Howl  *and
> that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>
> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
> term, delete this email.
>
> Jeff Newberry
>
> --
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
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> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 11:53:42 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:53:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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I've already picked up your mind, Tad, but I lost
it in downtown Saugerties somewhere. David's
mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.

I know the guy you're thinking of, I'm afraid, but
I seem to be losing my own mind at the moment.

Stay tuned.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:50 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org
<opus40-01 at opus40.org>wrote:

> While you're looking for David's mind, if you see mine, pick it up -- the
> poet who kept getting plagiarized by the same guy -- he wrote a book about
> it.
>
> I actually did this once -- a la Whitman. My brother and I wrote a movie
> called "The Happy Hooker Goes to Washington" and got screwed out of screen
> credit. I was editing a magazine at the time and he was my movie reviewer,
> so I had him write a review praising all the stuff we had written, and
> mercilessly panning the stuff by the guy who had gotten the screen credit.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Halvard Johnson halvard at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:06:27 -0500
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
>
> What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
> own book?
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
> > San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
> > the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
> > Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he
> did.
> > He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
> > resigned as Poet Laureate.
> >
> > Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
> > Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about
> 911).
> >
> >
> >
> > Millicent
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: almaginnes at aol.com
> > To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
> >
> >  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
> > literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views <
> > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
> >
> > Araki Yasusada
> >
> >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
> >
> > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
> >
> >
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
> >
> > halvard at gmail.com
> > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry
> <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
> >> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
> >> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
> >> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication
> of
> >> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
> >>
> >> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
> >> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
> >> term, delete this email.
> >>
> >> Jeff Newberry
> >>
> >> --
> >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
> >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
> >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
> >> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> >>
> >>
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From lattaj  Wed Jun  2 11:57:19 2010
From: lattaj (John Latta)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:57:19 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Neal Bowers, Words for the Taking: The Hunt for a Plagiarist


On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Halvard Johnson wrote:

> I've already picked up your mind, Tad, but I lost
> it in downtown Saugerties somewhere. David's
> mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
> to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
> shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
>
> I know the guy you're thinking of, I'm afraid, but
> I seem to be losing my own mind at the moment.
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:50 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org
> <opus40-01 at opus40.org>wrote:
>
>> While you're looking for David's mind, if you see mine, pick it up -- the
>> poet who kept getting plagiarized by the same guy -- he wrote a book about
>> it.
>>
>> I actually did this once -- a la Whitman. My brother and I wrote a movie
>> called "The Happy Hooker Goes to Washington" and got screwed out of screen
>> credit. I was editing a magazine at the time and he was my movie reviewer,
>> so I had him write a review praising all the stuff we had written, and
>> mercilessly panning the stuff by the guy who had gotten the screen credit..
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Halvard Johnson halvard at gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:06:27 -0500
>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>
>>
>> What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
>> own book?
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
>> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
>>> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
>>> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
>>> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he
>> did.
>>> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
>>> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>>>
>>> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
>>> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about
>> 911).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Millicent
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: almaginnes at aol.com
>>> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>>
>>>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
>>> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
>>> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views <
>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>>
>>> Araki Yasusada
>>>
>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> Halvard Johnson
>>> ================
>>>
>>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
>> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry
>> <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>>>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>>>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>>>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication
>> of
>>>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>>>
>>>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>>>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>>>> term, delete this email.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>
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>> etry
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From almaginnes  Wed Jun  2 11:57:31 2010
From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:57:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoqrEOHoOySw31xCRm11KFqmeny4igDwnJSqm2@mail.gmail.com>
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 That poet who kept getting plagiarized by the same guy was Neal Bowers. His book was called Words for the Taking. Pretty creepy story.


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


I've already picked up your mind, Tad, but I lost
it in downtown Saugerties somewhere. David's
mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.


I know the guy you're thinking of, I'm afraid, but
I seem to be losing my own mind at the moment.


Stay tuned.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org






On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:50 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org <opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

While you're looking for David's mind, if you see mine, pick it up -- the
poet who kept getting plagiarized by the same guy -- he wrote a book about
it.

I actually did this once -- a la Whitman. My brother and I wrote a movie
called "The Happy Hooker Goes to Washington" and got screwed out of screen
credit. I was editing a magazine at the time and he was my movie reviewer,
so I had him write a review praising all the stuff we had written, and
mercilessly panning the stuff by the guy who had gotten the screen credit.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Halvard Johnson halvard at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:06:27 -0500
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
own book?

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:

> What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and, in
> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he did.
> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>
> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about 911).
>
>
>
> Millicent
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: almaginnes at aol.com
> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a while.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>
> Araki Yasusada
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
>
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry
<jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering
>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication
of
>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>
>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
>> term, delete this email.
>>
>> Jeff Newberry
>>
>> --
>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
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From jforjames  Wed Jun  2 12:01:21 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:01:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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About a half-century before AY, there was the Ern Malley affair...
http://jacketmagazine.com/17/ern-dl.html

Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


Re Yasusada & a few other things, this (or these) by
Eliot Weinberger:

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From GrahamD  Wed Jun  2 12:02:18 2010
From: GrahamD (Graham, David)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:02:18 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] David's mind
Message-ID: <8135195D-ADBB-4B89-A8AF-B32495744FB8@ripon.edu>


David's
mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
Hal
---------------------------

Have you checked under your bootsoles?

One way or another, I stop somewhere, waiting for you....

David Graham
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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 12:06:06 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:06:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Quite so.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:00 PM, John Latta <lattaj at umich.edu> wrote:

> Neal Bowers, Words for the Taking: The Hunt for a Plagiarist
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Halvard Johnson wrote:
>
>  I've already picked up your mind, Tad, but I lost
>> it in downtown Saugerties somewhere. David's
>> mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
>> to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
>> shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
>>
>> I know the guy you're thinking of, I'm afraid, but
>> I seem to be losing my own mind at the moment.
>>
>> Stay tuned.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:50 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org
>> <opus40-01 at opus40.org>wrote:
>>
>>  While you're looking for David's mind, if you see mine, pick it up -- the
>>> poet who kept getting plagiarized by the same guy -- he wrote a book
>>> about
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I actually did this once -- a la Whitman. My brother and I wrote a movie
>>> called "The Happy Hooker Goes to Washington" and got screwed out of
>>> screen
>>> credit. I was editing a magazine at the time and he was my movie
>>> reviewer,
>>> so I had him write a review praising all the stuff we had written, and
>>> mercilessly panning the stuff by the guy who had gotten the screen
>>> credit..
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Halvard Johnson halvard at gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:06:27 -0500
>>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>>
>>>
>>> What about Walt Whitman, who wrote glowing reviews of his
>>> own book?
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> Halvard Johnson
>>> ================
>>>
>>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
>>> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  What about Quincy Troupe who was teaching at University of California at
>>>> San Diego when he was crowned Poet Laureate of California (2002), and,
>>>> in
>>>> the process of his election, a search revealed he did not have the 1963
>>>> Bachelor?s Degree in Fine Arts from Grambling College that he said he
>>>>
>>> did.
>>>
>>>> He was given a choice to retire from his post (or be fired); he also
>>>> resigned as Poet Laureate.
>>>>
>>>> Also Amiri Baraka?s appointment to the Poet Laureateship of New
>>>> Jersey (which was taken away due to AB's anti-semetic comments about
>>>>
>>> 911).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Millicent
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: almaginnes at aol.com
>>>> To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>>>
>>>>  Yes, this one. Hasn't Kent Johnson appeared in the area of another
>>>> literary scandal as well? I know he was on this mailing list for a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
>>>> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views <
>>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
>>>>
>>>> Araki Yasusada
>>>>
>>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araki_Yasusada
>>>>
>>>> Hal
>>>>
>>>> Halvard Johnson
>>>> ================
>>>>
>>>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
>>> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>>>
>>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry
>>>>
>>> <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and
>>>>> when I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy
>>>>> (Google is your friend in case you're not familiar), I started
>>>>> wondering
>>>>> about other literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> *Howl  *and that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>>>>>
>>>>> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like
>>>>> the
>>>>> term, delete this email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Newberry
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
>>>>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
>>>>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
>>>>> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From halvard  Wed Jun  2 12:07:51 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:07:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] David's mind
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Come to think of it, David, you gave me only a piece
of it.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Graham, David <GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote:

>
> David's
> mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
> to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
> shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
> Hal
> ---------------------------
>
> Have you checked under your bootsoles?
>
> One way or another, I stop somewhere, waiting for you....
>
> David Graham
> Grahamd at Ripon.edu
> ------------------------
> Home page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
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From jforjames  Wed Jun  2 12:13:45 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:13:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] David's mind
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A similiar fate befell Einstein's brain...it got doled out in pieces. (As told today on NPR)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126229305







-----Original Message-----
From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David's mind


Come to think of it, David, you gave me only a piece
of it.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org






On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Graham, David <GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote:





David's
mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
Hal
---------------------------
 
Have you checked under your bootsoles?


One way or another, I stop somewhere, waiting for you....


David Graham
Grahamd at Ripon.edu
------------------------
Home page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 12:18:06 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:18:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The PEN Translation Fund Announces the 2010 Grant
	Recipients
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    The PEN Translation Fund Announces the 2010 Grant Recipients

The PEN Translation Fund, now in its seventh year, is pleased to announce
the winners of the 2010 competition. From among this year?s 139 applicants,
the Fund?s Advisory Board has selected the following 11 projects:

*Daniel Brunet* for *The Last Fire, *a play by *Dea Loher *that examines the
devastation wrought on a small community by the accidental death of a child.
Following its premiere in Hamburg in 2008, it won both the 2008 Play of the
Year award from Theater Heute and the 2008 M?lheim Drama Prize. (No
publisher)

*Alexander Dawe* for a collection of short stories by *Ahmet Hamdi
Tanpmar *(1901-1962),
?the most surprising writer of 20th-century Turkish literature.? Opulent and
lyrical in tone, Tanpmar?s stories orchestrate Western and Eastern
influences to speak of ordinary people torn by their allegiances to the
past. (No publisher)

*Peter Golub* for a collection of flash fictions by *Linor Goralik*,* *an
underground Russian author beginning to make a name for herself in the
literary mainstream. These very short stories catch their characters in
midflight, like strangers on an airplane, combining the mythic with the
banal to startling effect, as when the wolf, disobeying doctor?s orders,
steps out for one last visit to the three little pigs. (No publisher)

*Piotr Gwiazda *for *Kopenhaga* by *Grzegorz Wroblewski*, a Polish poet who
has lived in Copenhagen since 1985, ?far from Poland and far from Denmark.?
Intimate, sarcastic, lucid, and uncompromising, *Kopenhaga *addresses the
immigrant experience in post-Cold War Europe with documentary evidence and
intellectual rigor. (No publisher)

*David Hull* for *Waverings, *a novel by *Mao Dun *(1896-1981), who joined
the nascent Chinese Communist Party in 1921. A depiction of the failed
revolution of 1927 set among workers, peasants, and Communist Party
officials in an unnamed county seat in Hubei Province, *Waverings* won its
author great acclaim, but its pessimism drew criticism from doctrinaire
communists. Hull?s translation is based on both the 1928 edition, published
immediately after the events the novel describes, and the 1958 edition,
significantly altered by the author. (No publisher)

*Akinloye A. Ojo* for *Afaimo and other Poems *(1972) the only poetry
collection by *Akinwumi Isola*,* *a novelist, playwright, and one of the
foremost figures in Yor?b? literature. Moving between exhortatory
matter-of-factness and ecstatic incantation, these poems are a love song to
the language in which they were written. ?Is it really my fault? / The bug
that ate the vegetable isn?t guilty. / There is a limit to a plant?s beauty.
Whoever pursues *?s?nl? *is guiltless.? (No U.S. publisher)

*Angela Rodel* for *Holy Light, *stories by *Georgi Tenev*,* *a Bulgarian
playwright, novelist, film/TV screenwriter, and talk show host. Alloying
political sci-fi with striking eroticism, the stories in *Holy Light* depict
a world of endless, wearying revolution and apocalypse, where bodies have
succumbed to a sinister bio-politics of relentless cruelty and perversion.
?In first class they offered easy emancipation, perhaps even *electrocution,
* but he was traveling economy class where they wouldn?t even serve him
food.? (No publisher)

*Margo Rosen* for *Poetry and Untruth,* a novel by *Anatoly Naiman*.*
*Juxtaposing
the fates of four Russian poets of the early 20th century (Akhmatova,
Pasternak, Mandelstam, Tsvetaeva) with those of the generation that came of
age during Khrushchev?s thaw, this is part novel, part historical document.
It draws from the writings of Russia?s greatest poets and the author?s own
experience (he was Akhmatova?s literary secretary from 1962-1966) to convey
a century of creative life that transcends the direness of Soviet history.
(No publisher)

*Chip Rossetti* for *Animals in Our Days, *short stories by *Mohamad
Makhzangi*,* *an Egyptian psychiatrist, journalist, and fiction writer who
was studying alternative medicine in Kiev during the Chernobyl nuclear
accident. Drawing on Arabic traditions of animal fables, these stories,
written with ?translucent poetic sensibility,? use animals to comment on
political oppression and the human capacity for encountering the magical and
the inexplicable. (To be published by the American University in Cairo
Press.)

*Bilal Tanweer* for *Love in Chikiwara (And Other Such Adventures), *a 1964
novel by *Muhammad Khalid Akhtar *(1920-2002)that haslong been considered a
masterpiece of Urdu humor. Our narrator, a genial, gullible bakery owner,
makes the serious mistake of befriending Qurban Ali Kattar, the ?Thomas
Hardy of Urdu Literature,? who shamelessly exploits his hero-worship of all
writers. A supporting cast of religious scam artists, bookbinders,
restaurant owners, butchers, and minor deities make this novel something new
and strange and warmly welcoming. (No publisher)

*Diane Thiel* for *The Great Green, *a 1987 novel by *Eugenia
Fakinou*.* *Hugely
popular in Greece (where it is now in its 43rd reprint), *The Great
Green*portrays a woman escaping the constrictions of family and
societal
expectations. It interweaves the whole span of Greek history, from the
Minoans and Homer?s Achaeans to the late Byzantine and early 19th-century
periods, into the story of a single day in our own time, when an unknown
woman mysteriously appears in a Greek village.

? ? ?

The members of this year?s Advisory Board were *Esther Allen*,* David Bellos
*,* Susan Bernofsky*,* Edwin Frank*,* Michael Moore*, and *Jeffrey Yang*.
For the second year in a row, the Fund gratefully acknowledges the generous
support of Amazon.com, which has assisted the Fund?s work this year with a
gift of $25,000.

All 2010 applications to the Translation Fund that involve the translation
of poetry by a living author (and that are not already under contract with a
publisher) have been forwarded to the National Poetry Series to be
considered for its Robert Fagles Prize. Offered every other year, the Fagles
Prize is being judged this year by Susan Stewart. The winning translator
will receive $2,000, the translated author will receive an honorarium of
$500, and the project will be published by Graywolf Press. For further
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.

The Translation Fund was established in 2003 with a gift of $730,000 from an
anonymous donor concerned about the paucity of translated literature in
English. In the seven years of its existence, the Fund has supported 72
translation projects from more than 30 languages, many of which have gone on
to be published to considerable acclaim. For more information about the
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  2 12:22:30 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:22:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] David's mind
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Or the necro_macy that surrounds Christian religion.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:14 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> A similiar fate befell Einstein's brain...it got doled out in pieces. (As
> told today on NPR)
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126229305
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David's mind
>
> Come to think of it, David, you gave me only a piece
> of it.
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Graham, David <GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> David's
>> mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
>> to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
>> shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
>> Hal
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> Have you checked under your bootsoles?
>>
>>  One way or another, I stop somewhere, waiting for you....
>>
>>  David Graham
>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu
>> ------------------------
>> Home page:
>> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>>
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From jforjames  Wed Jun  2 12:22:58 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:22:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
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Then there was the good ol' Ossian, Gaelic Bard,
for whom a great many belle-lettrists fell hard...

http://www.metafilter.com/21657/The-Ossian-Hoax
Goethe's Werther exclaims "Ossian has, in heart, supplanted Homer"(more at ex-classics)
Napoleon carried a copy of Ossian with him and even commissioned a painting by Ingres. Ossian, son of Fingal, was a Gaelic Bard from the 3rd century A.D. and the author of an epic text discovered and translated in the 18th century by one James Macpherson. His works enthralled the artistic elite. Schubert set them to music. Goethe assisted in the German translation. Others, including Samuel Johnson were more skeptical and, in the end, were proven right - Ossian was a (well-constructed) hoax. 

Thomas Jefferson was also highly taken with the Ossian poems--not surprisingly, as they were very much an Enlightenment cult. John Millar cited the poems as historical evidence in his influential The Origin of the Distinction of Ranks--along with another famous forgery, George Psalmanazar's book on "Formosa." Sydney Owenson, Lady Morgan's The Wild Irish Girl argues that Ossian was actually Irish, not Scottish, and therefore ought to be understood as a great Irish epic poet. There is, incidentally, a scholarly edition of the Ossian poems still in print.


-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


About a half-century before AY, there was the Ern Malley affair...
http://jacketmagazine.com/17/ern-dl.html

Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
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To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal


Re Yasusada & a few other things, this (or these) by 
Eliot Weinberger:

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From jforjames  Wed Jun  2 19:56:20 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  2 19:56:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Barton Allen (& Gordon Lish)
Message-ID: <8CCD0D773C94272-7A0-4B0C@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com>

http://hubpages.com/hub/Barton-Allen-And-The-Poets-Literary-Grace



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From opus40-01  Wed Jun  2 20:11:04 2010
From: opus40-01 (opus40-01@opus40.org)
Date: Wed Jun  2 20:11:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] David's mind
Message-ID: <380-2201064321350964@M2W133.mail2web.com>

How about Donovan's brain.

Original Message:
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From:  jforjames at aol.com
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:14:46 -0400
To: halvard at gmail.com, new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David's mind



A similiar fate befell Einstein's brain...it got doled out in pieces. (As
told today on NPR)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126229305







-----Original Message-----
From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David's mind


Come to think of it, David, you gave me only a piece
of it.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org






On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Graham, David <GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote:





David's
mind has always escaped me, though he gave it
to me once and, for many years, I kept it in my
shirt pocket just above my so-called heart.
Hal
---------------------------
 
Have you checked under your bootsoles?


One way or another, I stop somewhere, waiting for you....


David Graham
Grahamd at Ripon.edu
------------------------
Home page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


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From jforjames  Thu Jun  3 07:05:11 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun  3 07:05:11 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeanne E. Clark profile
Message-ID: <8CCD134D60D561F-1410-79C9@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.chicoer.com/entertainment/ci_15212712
Biblio File book review: For Chico poet, rescued dogs and pain transformed
By DAN BARNETT
Posted: 06/03/2010 12:00:00 AM PDT

A news release notes that Jeanne E. Clark is part of the creative writing faculty at Chico State University. The Midwesterner won the Akron Poetry Prize in 1997 for her first book, "Ohio Blue Tips." 

Now, in her second collection, "Gorrill's Orchard" ($16 in paperback from Bear Star Press, 
www.bearstarpress.com), Clark finds solace, and sustenance, in the rescued dogs she cares for in her home near an almond orchard. (She volunteers for Border Collie Rescue of Northern California.) 

In "The Story Each Day," the poet writes: "I tell you that I love bleak, fierce landscapes. / I used to grow them in my garden from seed, / named them: yellow-billed magpie, / scrub jay, ladies of leisure. Married then, / one day I told myself this story: / a door in the house opened with purpose. / It held fire behind it. Marriage / made in a furnace / is too easy to start, to put out." 



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From jforjames  Thu Jun  3 07:06:52 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun  3 07:06:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Griffins
Message-ID: <8CCD135193ABE23-1410-7A12@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20100602/griffin-poetry-prize-100602/

This year's Canadian finalists are "Coal and Roses" by the late P.K. Page, an illustrious poet who died earlier this year in Victoria at age 93; Montreal's Kate Hall for "The Certainty Dream," her first book of poetry; and "Pigeon" by Karen Solie, a Saskatchewan native who now lives in Toronto and is regarded as one of the country's best wordsmiths.

On the international short list is "Grain" by Scotland's John Glenday, "A Village Life" by American Louise Gluck; "The Sun-fish" by Irish poet Eilean Ni Chuilleanain; and "Cold Spring in Winter," written by Valerie Rouzeau in French and translated by Susan Wicks.
Sweetening the prize pot this year has "helped, I guess, give more profile to the winning poets and that's of course the idea," said Griffin.

"Poetry is not so much a big seller like novels," he noted. "But the first step is to raise the profile of poets and then secondly, start working on spreading so that more and more people hopefully read poetry, and that of course then translates into sales of books."

And it apparently has boosted sales, he said, citing an anecdote from 2002 Canadian winner Christian Bok. "I think he sold over 25,000 of his books and he credits most of that towards the prize."




Jim Finnegan
860-508-2810
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From bobgrumman  Thu Jun  3 07:55:26 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Thu Jun  3 07:55:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Griffins
In-Reply-To: <8CCD135193ABE23-1410-7A12@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD135193ABE23-1410-7A12@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C07C3C9.9090005@nut-n-but.net>

I must admit I'm amazed to hear that Christian Bok won this prize.  I'd 
love to hear how that happened. 

--Bob G.

From halvard  Thu Jun  3 08:54:52 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu Jun  3 08:54:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Meditation F
Message-ID: <AANLkTikiZoV7hy-W6ZmOv7Zv4IHfmylKBrk07a7g5Fd5@mail.gmail.com>

Meditation F

Bums with religion, found
all over the world, notable
for their absence, abandoned

hillsides. On safari in deepest
Pennsylvania, cars running
on wheels of Sams?ra.?

Synthetic revisions dashed
off amid personal drift. Time
to step on the gas, if you

have the heart to. The road
to Altoona, as good a place
as any to be lightened up.




Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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From c.a.b.daly  Thu Jun  3 09:11:47 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Thu Jun  3 09:11:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Griffins
In-Reply-To: <4C07C3C9.9090005@nut-n-but.net>
References: <8CCD135193ABE23-1410-7A12@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C07C3C9.9090005@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgXKzc9vpukPO2J3bxVIwNfELicJN8OJ6ghn8z@mail.gmail.com>

I'm disappointed that everyone found out about it; I always entered because
hardly anyone knew non-Canadians could enter.

-- 
All best,
Catherine Daly
c.a.b.daly at gmail.com
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From jforjames  Thu Jun  3 10:19:38 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun  3 10:19:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] All the Whiskey in Heaven,
	review of Bernstein's Selected
Message-ID: <8CCD15000B4E1ED-256C-674@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com>


http://bostonreview.net/BR35.3/deming.php
Called Into Being
All the Whiskey in Heaven: Selected Poems
Charles Bernstein 
Farrar, Straus and Giroux $26.00 (cloth)
 
Richard Deming
 
Ralph Waldo Emerson once insisted, ?this one fact the world hates, that the soul becomes.? A poet or artist also becomes, and the selected poems, much like the retrospective show, traces that becoming?the development of thought, imagination, and values. Indeed, the work continues to articulate what it tries to achieve, how it wants to be heard. 

To read an entire career at once is thus to see the body of work as a body, constantly changing and developing, though one also hopes that the work is irreducible. As Charles Bernstein writes in ?The Lives of the Toll Takers,? ?We may be all one body but we?re sure as hell not one mind.? Here, ?body? refers as much to a text as it does to a body politic or even to the singular, discrete corporeality each of us administrates. Any of us is singular, all of us are plural, and we are that way because language itself is so. 

Bernstein?s All the Whiskey in Heaven surveys the last 35 years in the career of a poet most eager to theorize his own practice.



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From ccooley  Thu Jun  3 11:21:16 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:21:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
Message-ID: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>

I just read Werther for the first time and when he came to Ossian
supplanting Homer I wondered who the hell he was (though I remembered
Yeats' myth from "Wanderings..."). The Sorrows of Poor Goethe --
hoaxed!

Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
question that gets everyone talking?


> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:25:35 -0400
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>
> Then there was the good ol' Ossian, Gaelic Bard,
> for whom a great many belle-lettrists fell hard...
>
> http://www.metafilter.com/21657/The-Ossian-Hoax
> Goethe's Werther exclaims "Ossian has, in heart, supplanted Homer"(more at ex-classics)
> Napoleon carried a copy of Ossian with him and even commissioned a painting by Ingres. Ossian, son of Fingal, was a Gaelic Bard from the 3rd century A.D. and the author of an epic text discovered and translated in the 18th century by one James Macpherson. His works enthralled the artistic elite. Schubert set them to music. Goethe assisted in the German translation. Others, including Samuel Johnson were more skeptical and, in the end, were proven right - Ossian was a (well-constructed) hoax.
>
> Thomas Jefferson was also highly taken with the Ossian poems--not surprisingly, as they were very much an Enlightenment cult. John Millar cited the poems as historical evidence in his influential The Origin of the Distinction of Ranks--along with another famous forgery, George Psalmanazar's book on "Formosa." Sydney Owenson, Lady Morgan's The Wild Irish Girl argues that Ossian was actually Irish, not Scottish, and therefore ought to be understood as a great Irish epic poet. There is, incidentally, a scholarly edition of the Ossian poems still in print.
>
>


From jeff.newberry  Thu Jun  3 11:28:01 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:28:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilEUvkqErZndBGWDwbTFUbOz-Hyjj6QKeRoDmRe@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sitting by the phone awaiting Mr. Obama's phone call.  He wants me to
question the BP folks . . .

These are all great responses by the way.  I asked because I'm having my
summer American literature students do presentations on literary scandals.
We're reading a very small section of Frey's *A Million Little Pieces* in
class, and I thought that the presentations were a good idea.

Best,
Jeff Newberry


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:

>
> Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
> question that gets everyone talking?
>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
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From wlantry  Thu Jun  3 11:31:21 2010
From: wlantry (Bill Lantry)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:31:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9CLuPAnAXPAYFcyixRixmGfpKgKlEhMo5F5rk@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cracked.com/article_17198_5-great-men-who-built-their-careers-on-plagiarism.html

The take on Eliot is pretty funny...

Thanks,

Bill
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From halvard  Thu Jun  3 11:33:37 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:33:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimIpWUVs5Zj1JDcdVY4YzUQ9rZX8yAAY2HPZT6F@mail.gmail.com>

Is that a rhetorical question, Cris?

(This one is.)

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:

> I just read Werther for the first time and when he came to Ossian
> supplanting Homer I wondered who the hell he was (though I remembered
> Yeats' myth from "Wanderings..."). The Sorrows of Poor Goethe --
> hoaxed!
>
> Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
> question that gets everyone talking?
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:25:35 -0400
> > From: jforjames at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
> > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >
> > Then there was the good ol' Ossian, Gaelic Bard,
> > for whom a great many belle-lettrists fell hard...
> >
> > http://www.metafilter.com/21657/The-Ossian-Hoax
> > Goethe's Werther exclaims "Ossian has, in heart, supplanted Homer"(more
> at ex-classics)
> > Napoleon carried a copy of Ossian with him and even commissioned a
> painting by Ingres. Ossian, son of Fingal, was a Gaelic Bard from the 3rd
> century A.D. and the author of an epic text discovered and translated in the
> 18th century by one James Macpherson. His works enthralled the artistic
> elite. Schubert set them to music. Goethe assisted in the German
> translation. Others, including Samuel Johnson were more skeptical and, in
> the end, were proven right - Ossian was a (well-constructed) hoax.
> >
> > Thomas Jefferson was also highly taken with the Ossian poems--not
> surprisingly, as they were very much an Enlightenment cult. John Millar
> cited the poems as historical evidence in his influential The Origin of the
> Distinction of Ranks--along with another famous forgery, George
> Psalmanazar's book on "Formosa." Sydney Owenson, Lady Morgan's The Wild
> Irish Girl argues that Ossian was actually Irish, not Scottish, and
> therefore ought to be understood as a great Irish epic poet. There is,
> incidentally, a scholarly edition of the Ossian poems still in print.
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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From robin.hamilton2  Thu Jun  3 12:33:48 2010
From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Thu Jun  3 12:33:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik9CLuPAnAXPAYFcyixRixmGfpKgKlEhMo5F5rk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilgovuTZRf3E-9g-vAJtmvhg0iMb3jSFh229haG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik9CLuPAnAXPAYFcyixRixmGfpKgKlEhMo5F5rk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E947CB4EC754FFCA9B8F40CF2304282@RobinLaptopPC>

<<
http://www.cracked.com/article_17198_5-great-men-who-built-their-careers-on-plagiarism.html

The take on Eliot is pretty funny...

Thanks,

Bill
>>

"Funny" ...   Another adjective that springs to mind is "crappy".  Take this 
from the site on Eliot:

"
But the poor, unappreciated Madison Cawein wasn't the only person Eliot 
stole from. This passage from "The Waste Land:" "The Chair she sat in, like 
a burnished throne / Glowed on the marble," was slightly altered but still 
stolen from Shakespeare, who wrote, "The barge she sat in, like a burnish'd 
throne / Burn'd on the water".
"

Shock, horror!!!  Shame the writer doesn't know (or fails to point out) that 
Shakespeare in turn lifted that particular passage in _Antony and Cleopatra_ 
straight from Thomas North's English translation of Plutarch.

At that point, I gave up.  There might be something there, but if that's 
typical of the level of discourse of the piece ...  Well, life's too short 
to waste on tedious undigested and under-researched rubbish.

Robin





From opus40-01  Thu Jun  3 12:34:21 2010
From: opus40-01 (opus40-01@opus40.org)
Date: Thu Jun  3 12:34:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
Message-ID: <380-22010643183657862@M2W111.mail2web.com>

Here's a brief overview of Spectra, courtesy of yours truly.

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/WBynnerGW.html



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:30:25 -0400
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal


I'm sitting by the phone awaiting Mr. Obama's phone call.  He wants me to
question the BP folks . . .

These are all great responses by the way.  I asked because I'm having my
summer American literature students do presentations on literary scandals.
We're reading a very small section of Frey's *A Million Little Pieces* in
class, and I thought that the presentations were a good idea.

Best,
Jeff Newberry


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Crisman Cooley
<ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:

>
> Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
> question that gets everyone talking?
>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>



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is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden


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From ccooley  Thu Jun  3 13:13:22 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Thu Jun  3 13:13:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
Message-ID: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, well, the word "everyone" was a bit obtuse. But, if BObama were on
NewPo, I'm sure he'd chime in!

Did someone mention the latest Smithsonian mag featured a Shakespeare
hoax? William-Henry Ireland, a 19-year-old ne'er-do-well convinced
James Boswell and a bunch of other smart people that he'd discovered
some original papers written in Shakespeare's hand. When he saw how
successful these forgeries were, he announced that he'd found a play:
"Vortigern and Rowena". The play was "discovered" before William-Henry
had written any of it and so many people believed him that he was
obliged to actually write a full-length play. He then had the play
produced and it was very well received. Only toward the end of a
fairly long successful run did people begin to suspect that it was a
fake.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/93357474.html


Hal,
Isn't asking "Is that a rhetorical question" always rhetorical?




> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:30:25 -0400
> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
>
> I'm sitting by the phone awaiting Mr. Obama's phone call. ?He wants me to
> question the BP folks . . .
>
> These are all great responses by the way. ?I asked because I'm having my
> summer American literature students do presentations on literary scandals.
> We're reading a very small section of Frey's *A Million Little Pieces* in
> class, and I thought that the presentations were a good idea.
>
> Best,
> Jeff Newberry
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
>> question that gets everyone talking?
>>
>> >
>>


> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:33:18 -0500
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, ?Views"
> ? ? ? ?<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ?<AANLkTimIpWUVs5Zj1JDcdVY4YzUQ9rZX8yAAY2HPZT6F at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Is that a rhetorical question, Cris?
>
> (This one is.)
>
> Hal


From anny.ballardini  Thu Jun  3 13:28:59 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jun  3 13:28:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Meditation F
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikiZoV7hy-W6ZmOv7Zv4IHfmylKBrk07a7g5Fd5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikiZoV7hy-W6ZmOv7Zv4IHfmylKBrk07a7g5Fd5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXaRSLlt5uPAaKUDnQ4UgF_6AnGIWgzK-6vnAE@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly true. As the entire history of the United States, better of the entire
world has been up to the present day.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Meditation F
>
> Bums with religion, found
> all over the world, notable
> for their absence, abandoned
>
> hillsides. On safari in deepest
> Pennsylvania, cars running
> on wheels of Sams?ra.?
>
> Synthetic revisions dashed
> off amid personal drift. Time
> to step on the gas, if you
>
> have the heart to. The road
> to Altoona, as good a place
> as any to be lightened up.
>
>
>
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
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> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
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From cervantes.james  Thu Jun  3 13:36:50 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Thu Jun  3 13:36:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknr8Uy9Gg8R4HQTnv2UP5S--Me1ZcZM4Cqyh0s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiknr8Uy9Gg8R4HQTnv2UP5S--Me1ZcZM4Cqyh0s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil1tdqwPxGyLPOr5EE-UDDUfbt420BKgdei-Y-s@mail.gmail.com>

"In a larger sense, all writing is autobiography: everything that you write,
including criticism and fiction, writes you as you write it. The real
question is: this massive autobiographical writing-enterprise that fills a
life, this enterprise of self-construction?does it yield only fictions? Or
rather, among the fictions of the self, the versions of the self, that it
yields, are there any that are truer than others? How do I know when I have
the truth about myself?" - David Shields, Reality Hunger

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:

> A student of mine had the chance to see James Frey read last week, and when
> I told her about the whole *Million Little Pieces* controversy (Google is
> your friend in case you're not familiar), I started wondering about other
> literary scandals.  A couple came to mind:  the publication of *Howl  *and
> that faux-movement "The Spectrists."
>
> What's your favorite literary scandal?  I'm using the term broadly, so I
> don't want to get into a discussion of semantics.  If you don't like the
> term, delete this email.
>
> Jeff Newberry
>
> --
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and
> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
>
>
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From c.a.b.daly  Thu Jun  3 13:45:35 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Thu Jun  3 13:45:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <380-22010643183657862@M2W111.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22010643183657862@M2W111.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilkv8ItBe_IKksN2Z3GueuR5JCt4yIxCu2TUgwP@mail.gmail.com>

my thing on Spectra is at JACKET in the Literary Hoax issue

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From halvard  Thu Jun  3 14:36:28 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu Jun  3 14:36:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimz1yW-CSo1XLCeE6V3niSP9YnsKQqlpKuzR6Qz@mail.gmail.com>

Not if one doesn't know the answer.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:

>
> Hal,
> Isn't asking "Is that a rhetorical question" always rhetorical?
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From robin.hamilton2  Thu Jun  3 14:47:42 2010
From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Thu Jun  3 14:47:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B319470541044439E325E566AD775CB@RobinLaptopPC>

From: "Crisman Cooley" <ccooley at overdomain.com>

> "Vortigern and Rowena".
...
> Only toward the end of a
> fairly long successful run did people begin to suspect that it was a
> fake.

My understanding was that it barely reached the end of the first night --  
the actor, I think it might have been David Garrick, playing the male lead 
having no faith in the play and sending it up something rotten.  So it ended 
up booed off-stage.  At which point the hoax ran out of steam.

But I may have misremembered this, and haven't bothered to check the URL 
given.

> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/93357474.html

Has anyone mentioned Thomas Chatterton and the Rowley Poems, yet? --  
Wordsworth's "glorious boy".

They were actually pretty good.  Shame what happened to Chatterton.

Robin 



From anny.ballardini  Thu Jun  3 15:16:17 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jun  3 15:16:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?windows-1252?q?John_Baldessari=92s_performance_?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=91I_Will_Not_Make_Any_More_Boring_Art=92_=281971?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=29?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTimpQx1SU42dSf0IhxJlzdCYLHoYzPeyRTSVfcQg@mail.gmail.com>

here is something I would undoubtedly do, were I in New York, Baldessari's
performance:



From: WMAA <<Alexandra_Nemerov at whitney.org>Alexandra_Nemerov at whitney.org>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:42:50 -0400

Conversation: Re-Performance of 'I Will Not Make Any More Boring Art'
Subject: Re-Performance of 'I Will Not Make Any More Boring Art'

As part of the exhibition ?Off the Wall: Thirty Performative Actions?
opening June 30th at the Whitney, the Museum is inviting art students to
participate in a re-performance of John Baldessari?s performance ?I Will Not
Make Any More Boring Art? (1971). The action will be ongoing in the
galleries for several weeks this summer. Attached is the original letter
which the artist wrote to the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design
proposing the project in 1971 as well as photographs documenting the
original performance.

The project entails a number of students coming to the Whitney and writing
the sentence ?I will not make any more boring art? on one of the walls of
the gallery, in columns. Each student can write as few or as many phrases as
they like. The artist would like two columns to be completed by the time the
exhibition opens on June 30th, and the students will then come in during the
day to write on the wall until the wall is completely filled.

We ask that each student who is interested in participating in this project
attend a mandatory orientation session with exhibition curator Chrissie Iles
at the Museum on Tuesday, June 1st at 4 pm. Students should arrive at the
Whitney Museum staff entrance at 33 East 74th Street at 3:45.  At this time
participants will be able to sign up for their performance time slots and
their portrait will be taken. Please RSVP to <Alexandra_Nemerov at whitney.org
>Alexandra_Nemerov at whitney.org as soon as possible.

Thank you for your interest in participating, and I look forward to meeting
you at the orientation.

All best,
Ali Nemerov

--
Ali Nemerov
Interpretation and Research Assistant
Whitney Museum of American Art
945 Madison Avenue at 75th Street
New York, NY 10021
212.671.1823


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From jforjames  Thu Jun  3 19:52:25 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun  3 19:52:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinifIHCDFR4zd7m1gavaBU2E8YqGkRBhoT6Zmi-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD1A00C543829-12E4-4714@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com>

What a great story. I always think, when these masterful schemes are carried out, what is the lad (or lady) had applied himself to


Did someone mention the latest Smithsonian mag featured a Shakespeare
oax? William-Henry Ireland, a 19-year-old ne'er-do-well convinced
ames Boswell and a bunch of other smart people that he'd discovered
ome original papers written in Shakespeare's hand. When he saw how
uccessful these forgeries were, he announced that he'd found a play:
Vortigern and Rowena". The play was "discovered" before William-Henry
ad written any of it and so many people believed him that he was
bliged to actually write a full-length play. He then had the play
roduced and it was very well received. Only toward the end of a
airly long successful run did people begin to suspect that it was a
ake.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/93357474.html




Jim Finnegan
860-508-2810



-----Original Message-----
From: Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 3:16 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal


Ok, well, the word "everyone" was a bit obtuse. But, if BObama were on
ewPo, I'm sure he'd chime in!
Did someone mention the latest Smithsonian mag featured a Shakespeare
oax? William-Henry Ireland, a 19-year-old ne'er-do-well convinced
ames Boswell and a bunch of other smart people that he'd discovered
ome original papers written in Shakespeare's hand. When he saw how
uccessful these forgeries were, he announced that he'd found a play:
Vortigern and Rowena". The play was "discovered" before William-Henry
ad written any of it and so many people believed him that he was
bliged to actually write a full-length play. He then had the play
roduced and it was very well received. Only toward the end of a
airly long successful run did people begin to suspect that it was a
ake.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/93357474.html

al,
sn't asking "Is that a rhetorical question" always rhetorical?


 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:30:25 -0400
 From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal

 I'm sitting by the phone awaiting Mr. Obama's phone call.  He wants me to
 question the BP folks . . .

 These are all great responses by the way.  I asked because I'm having my
 summer American literature students do presentations on literary scandals.
 We're reading a very small section of Frey's *A Million Little Pieces* in
 class, and I thought that the presentations were a good idea.

 Best,
 Jeff Newberry


 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com>wrote:

>
> Doesn't that Jeff Newberry fella have an amazing knack for asking the
> question that gets everyone talking?
>
> >
>

 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:33:18 -0500
 From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
 To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,  Views"
        <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

 Is that a rhetorical question, Cris?

 (This one is.)

 Hal
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From anny.ballardini  Fri Jun  4 06:27:20 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri Jun  4 06:27:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] a new issue by Didi Menendez
Message-ID: <AANLkTim55jVWOqtqIAiImhBcpODkOm8gD8Ozdlwj5_4V@mail.gmail.com>

        DidiMenendez just uploaded this interesting publication.
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From jforjames  Fri Jun  4 11:30:35 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun  4 11:30:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Zagajewski in Three Penny
Message-ID: <8CCD223252BF81A-1168-25A1@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.threepennyreview.com/samples/lubow_sp10.html

Zagajewski says he resisted the mythologizing. ?I knew that the Poles were well suited to the role of exile,? he told me. ?It was a Polish tradition. We had it in the genes that once you are in Paris you don?t despair.? Walking through Paris, he would see plaques ?where Mickiewicz wrote this and Chopin lived here,? he recalled. ?It was so easy to become theatrical about the situation. I tried to keep the right proportion.? Once, at a poetry reading, he was introduced as a political exile. ?Excuse me, that is not correct,? he responded. ?I am an erotic exile.?

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From amyhappens  Fri Jun  4 11:33:22 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun  4 11:33:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Weeping over this ...
Message-ID: <836275.89725.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I suppose this is the beginning of the "spill" effects (caution:  gruesome) --

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

~~~

In related news, new poems up at Poets for Living Waters:

http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/



Poets for Living Waters is a poetry action in response to the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico begun on April 20, 2010, one of the most profound human-made ecological catastrophes in history.

The first law of ecology states that everything is connected to everything else. An appreciation of this systemic connectivity suggests a wide range of poetry will offer a meaningful response to the current crisis, including work that harkens back to Hurricane Katrina and the ongoing regional effects.


~~~

http://amyking.org


      
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From amyhappens  Fri Jun  4 13:02:38 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun  4 13:02:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] OT:  Call to Action -- TWO THINGS YOU CAN DO - EASY.
Message-ID: <637172.4784.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Via Wendy Babiak -- from Centa Theresa at Michael Rothenberg's page:

"British Petroleum (BP) rep Randy Prescott made a comment, "Louisana isn't the only place that has shrimp." 

His office number is (713)323-4093 his email is randy.prescott at bp.com . Give him a call or send an email. Tell him 'BP isn't the only place that has fuel either!'"  

Of course, you can pressure your senators to pass Obama's new Clean Energy Bill too!  

EMAIL YOUR SENATORS HERE - TAKES LESS THAN TWO MINUTES - Just enter your Zip Code and send -- http://www.congress.org/soapbox/alert/15111301

~~~

WHAT I WROTE (Cut and Paste or Edit) -- Support the Clean Energy Act

Dear Representatives Schumer and Gillibrand: The first law of ecology states that everything is connected to everything else.  People as well as animals depend on a healthy balance of the ecosystem for survival.  An appreciation of this systemic connectivity requires a meaningful response to the current crisis. As we watch the recent BP disaster unfold and the effects make their way into our own Atlantic ocean, it is becoming ever-more clear that protected waters are more imperative than ever.   The House has passed an energy bill already but legislation has stalled in the Senate.  I strongly urge you to let your senators know -- right now -- that enough is enough!  President Obama notes, "The time has come, once and for all, for this nation to fully embrace a clean energy future."  Don't give Big Oil and Dirty Coal a bailout. Please support this bill and protect our chance to build a clean energy future. I?ll leave you with the words of Thomas Fuller,
 ?We never know the worth of water till the well is dry.?  Please help with this project so that future generations don?t remember us for the wrong reasons.  Thanks for your time and thoughtfulness?the clock is not stopping, neither should we.   Sincerely,
http://www.congress.org/soapbox/alert/15111301
~~~
MORE  INFO
President Obama says US needs energy bill to help end fossil fuel dependency  -- http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0602/President-Obama-says-US-needs-energy-bill-to-help-end-fossil-fuel-dependency
Obama Points a Finger at GOP --  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575282593380918512.html~~~The energy portions of the law are intended to promote rapid development of renewable energy sources and increase energy efficiency in buildings, appliances, and other sectors of the economy.
The president said he hoped that the clean-energy-related portions of the bill will inspire Americans the same way that President Kennedy's goal to put a man on the moon did in the 1960s.
"I hope this investment will ignite our imagination once more in science, medicine, energy and make our economy stronger, our nation more secure, and our planet safer for our children," Obama said before signing the bill.
The major energy-related portions of the law were largely left intact after Congressional debate. Overall, the plan will more than triple the amount of spending on clean-energy programs, said Daniel Weiss, a fellow at the Center for American Progress.
MORE DETAILS HERE -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10165605-54.html


      
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From amyhappens  Fri Jun  4 14:11:02 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun  4 14:11:02 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] SAVE THE GULF! -- BENEFIT POETRY & MUSIC FESTIVAL --
	June 27th -- Petaluma, CA --  Grahn, Meltzer, Doubiago,
	Cherkovski and More!
Message-ID: <519015.46972.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

SAVE THE GULF  -- MUSIC & POETRY FESTIVAL
A Benefit for The Louisiana Bucket Brigade  
SUNDAY, JUNE 27, 2010   2:00 ? 5:00 p.m. The Phoenix Theater, 201 Washington St., Petaluma  707-762-3565 http://www.thephoenixtheater.com/ POETS INCLUDE:  DAVID MELTZER, JUDY GRAHN, SHARON DOUBIAGO, NEELI CHERKOVSKI.  

Also:  Geri DiGiorno, Terri Carrion, Pat Nolan, Bill Vartnaw, Katherine Hastings, Michael Rothenberg, Zack Fortune, David Madgalene and Sonoma County Poet Laureate Gwynn O'Gara  
MUSIC BY ANNE CAROL and PETALUMA'S FABULOUS HIGH CLASS! ADMISSION: $5 ? $5,000!  NO ONE TURNED AWAY
All proceeds go to The Louisiana Bucket Brigade, a non-profit 501(C)3 environmental health and justice organization tracking the impact of the BP oil spill and preventing the impact from being "swept under the rug".   Donations are tax-deductible. Checks accepted.
 
www.labucketbrigade.org  

http://oilspill.labucketbrigade.org 


      
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From jforjames  Fri Jun  4 18:00:33 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun  4 18:00:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?b?4oCcbcOpZ2FwbmV1bWll4oCdLCBwb2VtcyBvZiBi?=
 =?utf-8?q?reath_and_pure_sound?=
Message-ID: <8CCD2599C370E9D-2080-3317@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=38442

BARCELONA.- He invented the ?m?gapneumie?, poems of breath and pure sound, which he belched out at his legendary recitals in Paris. Also ?Scotch art?, in which he mutilated and spoiled artworks in order to imbue them with new signs and meanings. He was a journalist, a revolutionary, a ship?s captain, a drug trafficker, a lorry driver, a barman and? an artist. In his own words, ?Gil J Wolman, born in 1929, met a few people, took part in a few demonstrations, did a few things.? Later, he would say that: ?Until 1949, before I met Isou [Isidore Isou, founder of Lettrism], I fed myself on poetry with words, and from that year on I fasted and passed from the letter to the breath, what I later called physical poetry.? 


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From millb  Fri Jun  4 21:39:21 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Fri Jun  4 21:39:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] a new issue by Didi Menendez
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Anny,

I have a poem in the March/April edition

Poets and Artists is LOVELY. The artwork. The writing.

More like a coffee table book than a magazine.  I highly recommend it.

http://issuu.com/didimenendez/docs/osmarch2010

Quality. Plus, it is online and in print.  Cannot say enough nice things about it.


Millicent 


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From millb  Fri Jun  4 21:42:20 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Fri Jun  4 21:42:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Friday
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Hi
 
I have a poem at Poetry Friday. 
 
Adultery? Carpentry?  Hard to tell---
 
I'd love comments!
 
http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-coupling.htm
 
Millicent
 

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From msullivan  Sat Jun  5 18:32:39 2010
From: msullivan (SULLIVAN)
Date: Sat Jun  5 18:32:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Today is Jack Foley Day in Berkeley
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Today, Saturday, June 5, 2010 is "Jack Foley Day" in Berkeley. Jack has been honored by the City of Berkeley, and he has received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Berkeley Poetry Festival, a yearly festival organized by Louis Cuneo's Mother's Hen Press.

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From halvard  Sun Jun  6 09:37:07 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun Jun  6 09:37:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP David Markson (1927-2010)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Markson

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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From Opus40-01  Sun Jun  6 11:11:52 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun Jun  6 11:11:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP David Markson (1927-2010)
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I knew David -- and Elaine Markson was my first agent, and a good 
friend. In fact, it was at a party at Elaine's office that I first met 
Lynda Schor. A sad loss.

Halvard Johnson wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Markson
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> Hal
>
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>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
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From ccooley  Sun Jun  6 20:36:01 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Sun Jun  6 20:36:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Literary Scandal
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Robin,
Right -- my mistake.

c

>> From: "Crisman Cooley" <ccooley at overdomain.com>

>> "Vortigern and Rowena".
...
>> Only toward the end of a
>> fairly long successful run did people begin to suspect that it was a
>> fake.

> My understanding was that it barely reached the end of the first night --
> the actor, I think it might have been David Garrick, playing the male lead
> having no faith in the play and sending it up something rotten.  So it ended
> up booed off-stage.  At which point the hoax ran out of steam.

> But I may have misremembered this, and haven't bothered to check the URL
> given.

> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/93357474.html

Has anyone mentioned Thomas Chatterton and the Rowley Poems, yet? --
Wordsworth's "glorious boy".

They were actually pretty good.  Shame what happened to Chatterton.

Robin

From Opus40-01  Mon Jun  7 07:31:45 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon Jun  7 07:31:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] My first music video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF10CEHeNUw&feature=player_embedded#!

-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From amyhappens  Mon Jun  7 11:18:38 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun  7 11:18:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] TOMORROW -- Poets for Living Waters Action--World
	Ocean Day -- Tues, June 8th @ Unnameable Books
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Poets for Living Waters Action -- In Honor of WORLD OCEAN DAY
Tuesday, June 8th @ 7 p.m. Unnameable Books 
600 Vanderbilt Ave (between Dean St & St Marks Ave) 
Brooklyn, NY 11238
Trains -- 7th Ave (Q, B)  // Grand Army Plaza (2, 3)  // Clinton-Washington Aves (C) Readings from Poets for Living Waters and of work by Leslie Scalapino, Muriel Rukeyser, and Lorine Niedecker http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ Poets included are BEYER, BOZICEVIC, BROLASKI, COOLEY, IIJIMA, KING and MOHABIR ~~~~~ Tamiko Beyer?s poetry has appeared in The Collagist, Little Red Leaves, Sonora Review, and elsewhere. She serves as the poetry editor of Drunken Boat and leads community writing workshops with the New York Writers Coalition. She is a founding member of Agent 409: a queer, multi-racial writing collective, a Kundiman Fellow, and an M.F.A candidate at Washington University in St. Louis. Find her online at wonderinghome.com and blogging at kenyonreview.org. Ana Bo?i?evi? was born in Zagreb, Croatia in 1977. She emigrated to NYC in 1997. Her first book of poems is Stars of the Night Commute (Tarpaulin Sky Press, November 2009), a Lambda
 Literary Award finalist. Her fifth chapbook, Depth Hoar, will be published by Cinematheque Press in 2010. With Amy King, Ana co-curates The Stain of Poetry reading series in Brooklyn. She works at the Center for the Humanities of The Graduate Center, CUNY. Julian T. Brolaski is the recent editor of NO GENDER: Reflections on the Life & Work of kari edwards with erica kaufman and E. Tracy Grinnell (Litmus Press 2009), and author of the chapbook A Buck in a Corridor (flynpyntar 2008/9), gowanus atropolis (forthcoming, Ugly Duckling 2011) and Advice for Lovers (forthcoming, City Lights 2011). Brolaski lives in Brooklyn where xe is an editor at Litmus Press, curates vaudeville shows and plays country music with The Low & the Lonesome.  New work is on the blog hermofwarsaw and @juandenowherr. Nicole Cooley grew up in New Orleans. These poems are from her collection, Breach, just published by Louisiana State University Press that focuses on Hurricane Katrina
 and its aftermath. Her fourth book of poems Milk Dress will appear with Alice James Books this November. She has published two other books of poems and a novel. She directs the new MFA Program in Creative Writing and Literary Translation at Queens College-City University of New York. Brenda Iijima?s books include revv. you?ll?ution (Displaced Press), If Not Metamorphic (Ahsahta Press), Animate, Inanimate Aims (Litmus Press) and Around Sea (O Books).  At present, she is writing an informal encyclopedia on animals used as surrogates by humans. She runs Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs (http://yoyolabs.com) from Prospect Heights, Brooklyn. Amy King's most recent book is Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox), and forthcoming, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press).  She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett.  She also teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College.  With Ana Bozicevic, King co-curates
 the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stain of Poetry.  For more information, please visit http://amyking.org. Rajiv Mohabir teaches English as a Second Language in Queens, New York, and is currently pursuing an MFA in Creative Writing at Queens College. He is a VONA (Voices of Our Nations Arts Foundation) alumnus. Rajiv's poems have appeared in Trikone, EOAGH, Ghoti, and Saw Palm magazines. Pudding House Press named him a "Poet of Note" in their 2009 chapbook competition and published his chapbook nabad-eye me in 2010. http://poetsforlivingwaters.com/ http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ PLEASE FORWARD - Thank you!


      
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From anny.ballardini  Mon Jun  7 13:49:21 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon Jun  7 13:49:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] My first music video
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It reminded me of the great Keillor and of the ever greater Lou Reed in
Songs for Drella, still
GOOOO

Richard, just GO! This is really goooooD!

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF10CEHeNUw&feature=player_embedded#!
>
> --
> Tad Richards
> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
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http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From amyhappens  Mon Jun  7 17:35:25 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun  7 17:35:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poets for Living Waters -- New Poems and
	Eco-Statements Up by ....
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BROOKS HAXTON ** ANGELA SORBY **  T. CLAYTON WOOD ** RON SILLIMAN ** TAMIKO BEYER **  JUDITH BARRINGTON ** JAMES WAGNER **   JULIAN T. BROLASKI **  LISANNE THOMPSON **  JAN HELLER LEVI **  SAM SCHILD **  ALISON PELEGRIN **   STEPHANIE STRICKLAND **   CYNTHIA LAWSON JARAMILLO **  PAUL RYAN  **   NICOLE COOLEY **   RODRIGO TOSCANO  **  JOSEPH P. WOOD  **  GORDON MASSMAN  **  TARA BETTS  **  FADY JOUDAH  **  PHILIP METRES  **  JEFF NEWBERRY  **  KIRSTEN KASCHOCK  **  PATRICK DURGIN  **  ALICIA OSTRIKER  **  CARLY SACHS  **  KATE SCHAPIRA  **  BILL MARSH  ** EVIE SHOCKLEY and FRANZ WRIGHT


Poets for Living Waters is a poetry action in response to the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico begun on April 20, 2010, one of the most profound human-made ecological catastrophes in history. Former US poet laureate Robert Pinsky describes the popularity of poetry after 9/11 as a turn away from the disaster?s overwhelming enormity to a more manageable individual scale. As we confront the magnitude of this recent tragedy, such a return may well aid us.



The first law of ecology states that everything is connected to everything else.  An appreciation of this systemic connectivity suggests a wide range of poetry will offer a meaningful response to the current crisis, including work that harkens back to Hurricane Katrina and the ongoing regional effects.


This online periodical is the first in a planned series of actions.  Further actions will include a print anthology and a public reading in Washington DC.


If you would like to submit work for consideration, please send 1-3 poems, a short bio, and credits for any previously published submissions to -- poetsforlivingwaters at yahoo.com. 


Editors: Amy King & Heidi Lynn Staples http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/


      
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From amyhappens  Tue Jun  8 08:25:03 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jun  8 08:25:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] TONIGHT -- Poets for Living Waters Action -- World
	Ocean Day -- Tues, June 8th @ Unnameable Books
Message-ID: <421419.52950.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Poets for Living Waters Action -- In Honor of WORLD OCEAN DAY
Tuesday, June 8th @ 7 p.m.


Unnameable Books 
600 Vanderbilt Ave (between Dean St & St Marks Ave) 
Brooklyn, NY 11238
Trains -- 7th Ave (Q, B)  // Grand Army Plaza (2, 3)  // Clinton-Washington Aves (C)


Readings from Poets for Living Waters and of work by Leslie Scalapino, Muriel Rukeyser, and Lorine Niedecker 
http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/   


Poets included are BEYER, BOZICEVIC, BROLASKI, COOLEY, IIJIMA, KING, LEVITSKY and MOHABIR

~~~~~


Tamiko Beyer?s poetry has appeared in The Collagist, Little Red Leaves, Sonora Review, and elsewhere. She serves as the poetry editor of Drunken Boat and leads community writing workshops with the New York Writers Coalition. She is a founding member of Agent 409: a queer, multi-racial writing collective, a Kundiman Fellow, and an M.F.A candidate at Washington University in St. Louis. Find her online at wonderinghome.com and blogging at kenyonreview.org.


Ana Bo?i?evi? was born in Zagreb, Croatia in 1977. She emigrated to NYC in 1997. Her first book of poems is Stars of the Night Commute (Tarpaulin Sky Press, November 2009), a Lambda Literary Award finalist. Her fifth chapbook, Depth Hoar, will be published by Cinematheque Press in 2010. With Amy King, Ana co-curates The Stain of Poetry reading series in Brooklyn. She works at the Center for the Humanities of The Graduate Center, CUNY.


Julian T. Brolaski is the recent editor of NO GENDER: Reflections on the Life & Work of kari edwards with erica kaufman and E. Tracy Grinnell (Litmus Press 2009), and author of the chapbook A Buck in a Corridor (flynpyntar 2008/9), gowanus atropolis (forthcoming, Ugly Duckling 2011) and Advice for Lovers (forthcoming, City Lights 2011). Brolaski lives in Brooklyn where xe is an editor at Litmus Press, curates vaudeville shows and plays country music with The Low & the Lonesome.  New work is on the blog hermofwarsaw and @juandenowherr.


Nicole Cooley grew up in New Orleans. These poems are from her collection, Breach, just published by Louisiana State University Press that focuses on Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. Her fourth book of poems Milk Dress will appear with Alice James Books this November. She has published two other books of poems and a novel. She directs the new MFA Program in Creative Writing and Literary Translation at Queens College-City University of New York.


Brenda Iijima?s books include revv. you?ll?ution (Displaced Press), If Not Metamorphic (Ahsahta Press), Animate, Inanimate Aims (Litmus Press) and Around Sea (O Books).  At present, she is writing an informal encyclopedia on animals used as surrogates by humans. She runs Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs (http://yoyolabs.com) from Prospect Heights, Brooklyn.


Amy King's most recent book is Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox), and forthcoming, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press).  She is currently preparing a book of interviews with the poet Ron Padgett.  She also teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College.  With Ana Bozicevic, King co-curates the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stain of Poetry.  For more information, please visit http://amyking.org.


Rachel Levitsky is, most recently, the author of the Delete Press chapbook, Renoemos. Her full length book NEIGHBOR, was published by Ugly Duckling Presse in 2009. A novel, The Story of My Accident is Ours will soon be published by Futurepoem. Four mini-essays on The Poetics of Confinement are online at http://poetryproject.org/tag/rachel-levitsky. She teaches Writing and Literature at Naropa University?s Summer Writing Program, Bard Prison Initiative and Pratt Institute. She co-curates Belladonna Series--an exploration of feminist avant-garde writing. 


Rajiv Mohabir teaches English as a Second Language in Queens, New York, and is currently pursuing an MFA in Creative Writing at Queens College. He is a VONA (Voices of Our Nations Arts Foundation) alumnus. Rajiv's poems have appeared in Trikone, EOAGH, Ghoti, and Saw Palm magazines. Pudding House Press named him a "Poet of Note" in their 2009 chapbook competition and published his chapbook nabad-eye me in 2010.


http://poetsforlivingwaters.com/ 
http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ 



Readings in other states listed on our Facebook page -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Poets-for-Living-Waters/122504444439606 



PLEASE FORWARD - Thank you!


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From jforjames  Wed Jun  9 13:10:55 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  9 13:10:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies
Message-ID: <8CCD61F1C37DDA8-144-1CBEB@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jun/09/oxford-poetry-professor-claire

Last year Nobel laureate Derek Walcott pulled out of the election for Oxford professor of poetry; now the only woman standing in this year's contest, poet Paula Claire, has withdrawn in protest over what she is describing as "serious flaws" in the election process that she believes have pushed best-known candidate Geoffrey Hill ahead of all other contenders.

Claire, an Oxford-based poet who hoped to "provide a comprehensive update on the hidden mass of innovative 20th-century poetic forms; show how the tradition of group speaking of poetry has been revitalised; and encourage the use of modern technology in the service of poetry" if she were elected, informed Oxford University yesterday that she would no longer be running in the election.



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From amyhappens  Wed Jun  9 13:52:41 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Wed Jun  9 13:52:41 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
Message-ID: <963171.25244.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


 "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the nature of becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of resistance, what she is not interested in is sustaining such artificial constructs as the Master Slave dialectic itself, or of the notion of dialectical development altogether. Rather, in reading this book, what I have the sense of is an attempt to collapse all such structures as inherently stultifying. King repeatedly invokes inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such a manner, for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware as she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her work into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a direct challenge to such an attempt, at one point again returning to the notion of theft and calling "language the arm of behavior" again not so much collapsing thesis and antithesis, but denying that relationship from first principles..."

--Continued at Wet Asphalt
http://www.wetasphalt.com/content/happy-fact-amy-kings-slaves-do-these-things


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Amy King?s poems are dense and energetically written. They are often fragmented collages of narratives which are in no way narratives in the usual sense. They express a great deal of movement of the mind, written with a strong imagination and unexpected twists..."

--Continued at Jacket Magazine
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-king-rb-lurie.shtml


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


THE UGLY AMERICANS

Last night I dreamt Maria Santiago
dissolves when she sweeps and stocks
a Manhattan bodega, her borrowed whisper
lingers on the backs of patrons,
?

--Continued at Jacket Magazine
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/king-amy-americans.shtml


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


      


From brian_tuney  Wed Jun  9 15:18:09 2010
From: brian_tuney (Brian Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jun  9 15:18:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vale Randolph Stow
Message-ID: <394481.76017.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Apologies if this has been mentioned already,

but the marvelous poet Randolph Stow has passed away.


LANDFALL by Randolph Stow

And indeed I shall anchor, one day - some summer morning
of sunflowers and bougainvillaea and arid wind -
and smoking a black cigar, one hand on the mast,
turn, and unlade my eyes of all their cargo;
and the parrot will speed from my shoulder, and white yachts glide
welcoming out from the shore on the turquoise tide.

And when they ask me where I have been, I shall say
I do not remember.

And when they ask me what I have seen, I shall say
I remember nothing.

And if they should ever tempt me to speak again,
I shall smile, and refrain.



      
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From brian_tuney  Wed Jun  9 15:32:06 2010
From: brian_tuney (Brian Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jun  9 15:32:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] My first music video
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Terrific song!

However, I feel the video needs sexing up.

Brian

--- On Mon, 7/6/10, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
Subject: [New-Poetry] My first music video
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Received: Monday, 7 June, 2010, 11:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF10CEHeNUw&feature=player_embedded#!

-- Tad Richards
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From millb  Wed Jun  9 17:22:57 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jun  9 17:22:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] HAD TO share!
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The Huffington picked up an interview with me!!
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-baudo-sillerman/millicent-borges-accardi_b_606404.html

Millicent
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From Opus40-01  Wed Jun  9 19:42:08 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed Jun  9 19:42:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
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All right!

amy king wrote:
>  "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the nature of becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of resistance, what she is not interested in is sustaining such artificial constructs as the Master Slave dialectic itself, or of the notion of dialectical development altogether. Rather, in reading this book, what I have the sense of is an attempt to collapse all such structures as inherently stultifying. King repeatedly invokes inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such a manner, for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware as she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her work into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a direct challenge to such an attempt, at one point again returning to the notion of theft and calling "language the arm of behavior" again not so much collapsing thesis and antithesis, but denying that relationship from first principles..."
>
> --Continued at Wet Asphalt
> http://www.wetasphalt.com/content/happy-fact-amy-kings-slaves-do-these-things
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Amy King?s poems are dense and energetically written. They are often fragmented collages of narratives which are in no way narratives in the usual sense. They express a great deal of movement of the mind, written with a strong imagination and unexpected twists..."
>
> --Continued at Jacket Magazine
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-king-rb-lurie.shtml
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> THE UGLY AMERICANS
>
> Last night I dreamt Maria Santiago
> dissolves when she sweeps and stocks
> a Manhattan bodega, her borrowed whisper
> lingers on the backs of patrons,
> ?
>
> --Continued at Jacket Magazine
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/king-amy-americans.shtml
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>       
>
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Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/




From jjeffreymail  Wed Jun  9 19:45:05 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Wed Jun  9 19:45:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies
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Crybabies, the lot of 'em.





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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 3:14:25 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jun/09/oxford-poetry-professor-claire
 
Last year Nobel laureate Derek Walcott pulled out of the election for Oxford professor of poetry; now the only woman standing in this year's contest, poet Paula Claire, has withdrawn in protest over what she is describing as "serious flaws" in the election process that she believes have pushed best-known candidate Geoffrey Hill ahead of all other contenders.

Claire, an Oxford-based poet who hoped to "provide a comprehensive update on the hidden mass of innovative 20th-century poetic forms; show how the tradition of group speaking of poetry has been revitalised; and encourage the use of modern technology in the service of poetry" if she were elected, informed Oxford University yesterday that she would no longer be running in the election.


      
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From Opus40-01  Wed Jun  9 19:45:12 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed Jun  9 19:45:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] HAD TO share!
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This is a great day for our poets -- Yay, Mill!

Millicent wrote:
> The Huffington picked up an interview with me!!
>  
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-baudo-sillerman/millicent-borges-accardi_b_606404.html
>  
> Millicent
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-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From millb  Wed Jun  9 19:50:47 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jun  9 19:50:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] HAD TO share!
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I know!

LOTS of good news and reviews today. 

Always a pleasure to see that kind of stuff rather than petty arguments on the list.

As a Los Angeles-ite I really enjoyed your music video too.


Millicent 

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This is a great day for our poets -- Yay, Mill! 
 
Millicent wrote: 
> The Huffington picked up an interview with me!! 
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-baudo-sillerman/millicent-borges-accardi_b_606404.html 
> > Millicent 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> 
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-- Tad Richards 
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! 
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner 
 
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ 
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun  9 21:12:43 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun  9 21:12:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
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Congrats to Amy and to Quackenbush (got the name right!)


On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:46 AM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

> All right!
>
> amy king wrote:
>
>>  "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the nature of
>> becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of resistance, what she
>> is not interested in is sustaining such artificial constructs as the Master
>> Slave dialectic itself, or of the notion of dialectical development
>> altogether. Rather, in reading this book, what I have the sense of is an
>> attempt to collapse all such structures as inherently stultifying. King
>> repeatedly invokes inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such
>> a manner, for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware
>> as she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her work
>> into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a direct challenge
>> to such an attempt, at one point again returning to the notion of theft and
>> calling "language the arm of behavior" again not so much collapsing thesis
>> and antithesis, but denying that relationship from first principles..."
>>
>> --Continued at Wet Asphalt
>>
>> http://www.wetasphalt.com/content/happy-fact-amy-kings-slaves-do-these-things
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> "Amy King?s poems are dense and energetically written. They are often
>> fragmented collages of narratives which are in no way narratives in the
>> usual sense. They express a great deal of movement of the mind, written with
>> a strong imagination and unexpected twists..."
>>
>> --Continued at Jacket Magazine
>> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-king-rb-lurie.shtml
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> THE UGLY AMERICANS
>>
>> Last night I dreamt Maria Santiago
>> dissolves when she sweeps and stocks
>> a Manhattan bodega, her borrowed whisper
>> lingers on the backs of patrons,
>> ?
>>
>> --Continued at Jacket Magazine
>> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/king-amy-americans.shtml
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Tad Richards
> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
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-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From grahamd  Thu Jun 10 08:31:18 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Thu Jun 10 08:31:18 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie
Message-ID: <B2EAB5A8-5E1A-4C77-91C5-8056EB04B1B5@ripon.edu>

A review of John Murillo's debut collection, *Up Jump the Boogie,* which is one of the best first books of poetry I've seen in a long time:

http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_15236489

And here's a poem from the book:

Practicing Fade-Aways

	--after Larry Levis 

On a deserted playground in late day sun,
My palms dusted black, dribbling
A worn leather ball behind my back, this loneliness
Echoes from the handball courts nearby.
Nearly all the markings--free- throw lane, sideline,
Center circle--all rubbed to nothing.
A crack in the earth cuts across the schoolyard
Jagged as a scar on a choir boy's cheek.  

Twenty years ago,
I ran this very court with nine other 
Wanna-be ballers.  We'd steal 
Through peeled chain links, or hop 
The gate to get here:  Our blacktop Eden.
One boy, who had a funny pigeon-toed set shot
And a voice full of church bells, sang spirituals
Every time he made a basket, 
The other boys humming along, laughing,
High-fives flying down the court.

And a boy we called 'The Sandman' 
For how he put you to sleep with his shoulder fake or drop step,
Over six feet tall in the tenth grade,
Smooth talker with an itch for older guys' girlfriends.
One Sunday morning, they found him stabbed to death
Outside the Motel 6, pockets untouched,
Bills folded neatly against his beautiful cooling thigh.
And 'Downtown' Ricky Brown,
Whose family headed west when he was two,
But still called himself a New Yorker,
Who never pulled from less than thirty feet out,
And could bank shots blindfolded.
He went to Grambling, drove himself
Crazy with conspiracy theories and liquor,
Was last seen roaming the French Quarter, shoeless, babbling
About the Illuminati's six-hundred sixty-six ways
To enslave the populace.

At sixteen, I discovered 
Venice Beach, with its thousand bodybuilders,
Roller skates, and red thong bikinis.
I would stand on the sidelines and watch
The local ballplayers, leaping and hollering
Quicksilver giants, run and gun,
Already grown into their man bodies,
Funkadelic rising from a boombox in the sand.
Now, all I hear are chain nets chiming as I sink
One fade-away after another,
The backboard, the pole, throwing a long shadow
Across the cracked black asphalt. 

What the nets want must be this caress, 
This stillness stretching
Along every avenue, over high school 
Gymnasiums and deserted playgrounds,
And the ambulance drivers drifting into naps
Back at the station house.
What the boys who ran these courts wanted was 
A lob pass high enough
To pull them into the sky,
Something they could catch in both hands
And hang from,
Long enough for someone to snap 
A photograph, to hold them there,
Skybound.  Risen.

--John Murillo.  Verse Wisconsin 101 (Winter 2010).


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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From millb  Thu Jun 10 08:40:11 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Thu Jun 10 08:40:11 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie
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Hi David,

I read with John Murillo at Stories books ( a couple of weeks ago) and found his work to be fresh and wonderful.  

Great poem you posted too!


Millicent 
Interview in Huffington: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-baudo-sillerman/millicent-borges-accardi_b_606404.html  


-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu &amp; Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:35 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie


A review of John Murillo's debut collection, *Up Jump the Boogie,* which is one of the best first books of poetry I've seen in a long time:


http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_15236489


And here's a poem from the book:



Practicing Fade-Aways


--after Larry Levis 


On a deserted playground in late day sun,
My palms dusted black, dribbling
A worn leather ball behind my back, this loneliness
Echoes from the handball courts nearby.
Nearly all the markings--free- throw lane, sideline,
Center circle--all rubbed to nothing.
A crack in the earth cuts across the schoolyard
Jagged as a scar on a choir boy's cheek.  


Twenty years ago,
I ran this very court with nine other 
Wanna-be ballers.  We'd steal 
Through peeled chain links, or hop 
The gate to get here:  Our blacktop Eden.
One boy, who had a funny pigeon-toed set shot
And a voice full of church bells, sang spirituals
Every time he made a basket, 
The other boys humming along, laughing,
High-fives flying down the court.


And a boy we called 'The Sandman' 
For how he put you to sleep with his shoulder fake or drop step,
Over six feet tall in the tenth grade,
Smooth talker with an itch for older guys' girlfriends.
One Sunday morning, they found him stabbed to death
Outside the Motel 6, pockets untouched,
Bills folded neatly against his beautiful cooling thigh.
And 'Downtown' Ricky Brown,
Whose family headed west when he was two,
But still called himself a New Yorker,
Who never pulled from less than thirty feet out,
And could bank shots blindfolded.
He went to Grambling, drove himself
Crazy with conspiracy theories and liquor,
Was last seen roaming the French Quarter, shoeless, babbling
About the Illuminati's six-hundred sixty-six ways
To enslave the populace.


At sixteen, I discovered 
Venice Beach, with its thousand bodybuilders,
Roller skates, and red thong bikinis.
I would stand on the sidelines and watch
The local ballplayers, leaping and hollering
Quicksilver giants, run and gun,
Already grown into their man bodies,
Funkadelic rising from a boombox in the sand.
Now, all I hear are chain nets chiming as I sink
One fade-away after another,
The backboard, the pole, throwing a long shadow
Across the cracked black asphalt. 


What the nets want must be this caress, 
This stillness stretching
Along every avenue, over high school 
Gymnasiums and deserted playgrounds,
And the ambulance drivers drifting into naps
Back at the station house.
What the boys who ran these courts wanted was 
A lob pass high enough
To pull them into the sky,
Something they could catch in both hands
And hang from,
Long enough for someone to snap 
A photograph, to hold them there,
Skybound.  Risen.


--John Murillo.  Verse Wisconsin 101 (Winter 2010).




========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu


Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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From bobgrumman  Thu Jun 10 08:48:22 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Thu Jun 10 08:48:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
In-Reply-To: <4C1043DA.8020907@opus40.org>
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>
>>  "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the 
>> nature of becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of 
>> resistance, what she is not interested in is sustaining such 
>> artificial constructs as the Master Slave dialectic itself, or of the 
>> notion of dialectical development altogether. Rather, in reading this 
>> book, what I have the sense of is an attempt to collapse all such 
>> structures as inherently stultifying. King repeatedly invokes 
>> inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such a manner, 
>> for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware as 
>> she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her 
>> work into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a 
>> direct challenge to such an attempt, at one point again returning to 
>> the notion of theft and calling "language the arm of behavior" again 
>> not so much collapsing thesis and antithesis, but denying that 
>> relationship from first principles..."
Good luck with your book, Amy, but I sure hope none of my books ever 
gets a review like the above.

--Bob

From amyhappens  Thu Jun 10 09:02:13 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jun 10 09:02:13 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
In-Reply-To: <4C110AFB.1040503@nut-n-but.net>
References: <963171.25244.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4C1043DA.8020907@opus40.org> <4C110AFB.1040503@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <683456.91827.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Aw, Bob, thanks!  I don't think you have anything to worry about though!

Cheers,

Amy



----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 11:55:39 AM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt


> 
>>  "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the nature of becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of resistance, what she is not interested in is sustaining such artificial constructs as the Master Slave dialectic itself, or of the notion of dialectical development altogether. Rather, in reading this book, what I have the sense of is an attempt to collapse all such structures as inherently stultifying. King repeatedly invokes inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such a manner, for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware as she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her work into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a direct challenge to such an attempt, at one point again returning to the notion of theft and calling "language the arm of behavior" again not so much collapsing thesis and antithesis, but denying that relationship from first principles..."
Good luck with your book, Amy, but I sure hope none of my books ever gets a review like the above.

--Bob
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From amyhappens  Thu Jun 10 09:02:49 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jun 10 09:02:49 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt
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Thanks, Anny and Tad! 


________________________________
From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 11:16:43 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Reviews @ Jacket and @ Wet Asphalt

Congrats to Amy and to Quackenbush (got the name right!)



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:46 AM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

All right!
>
>>amy king wrote:
>
>>> "...ultimately what I think King is concerned with here is the nature of becoming by moving against time as a sort of point of resistance, what she is not interested in is sustaining such artificial constructs as the Master Slave dialectic itself, or of the notion of dialectical development altogether. Rather, in reading this book, what I have the sense of is an attempt to collapse all such structures as inherently stultifying. King repeatedly invokes inversions of typical imagery that could be read in such a manner, for example making "gods from the dust." And she is clearly aware as she works that there will be those readers who will try to fit her work into such a mode. Some of what she writes even seems like a direct challenge to such an attempt, at one point again returning to the notion of theft and calling "language the arm of behavior" again not so much collapsing thesis and antithesis, but denying that relationship from first principles..."
>>
>>>>--Continued at Wet Asphalt
>>http://www.wetasphalt.com/content/happy-fact-amy-kings-slaves-do-these-things
>>
>>
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>>>"Amy King?s poems are dense and energetically written. They are often fragmented collages of narratives which are in no way narratives in the usual sense. They express a great deal of movement of the mind, written with a strong imagination and unexpected twists..."
>>
>>>>--Continued at Jacket Magazine
>>http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-king-rb-lurie.shtml
>>
>>
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>>>THE UGLY AMERICANS
>>
>>>>Last night I dreamt Maria Santiago
>>>>dissolves when she sweeps and stocks
>>>>a Manhattan bodega, her borrowed whisper
>>>>lingers on the backs of patrons,
>>>>?
>>
>>>>--Continued at Jacket Magazine
>>http://jacketmagazine.com/40/king-amy-americans.shtml
>>
>>
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>      
>-- 
>>Tad Richards
>>Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
>http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
>http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
>


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http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
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From tony  Thu Jun 10 10:01:33 2010
From: tony (Tony Trigilio)
Date: Thu Jun 10 10:01:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie
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From jforjames  Thu Jun 10 11:01:13 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 11:01:13 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie
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I see an arc in that poem: Levine to Levis to Murillo...
Finnegan


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Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:05 pm
Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie


Thanks for posting this, David.  John's book is excellent.


Best,
Tony



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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie
From: Millicent <millb at aol.com>
Date: Thu, June 10, 2010 9:43 am
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu


Hi David,
 
I read with John Murillo at Stories books ( a couple of weeks ago) and found his work to be fresh and wonderful.  
 
Great poem you posted too!


Millicent 
Interview in Huffington: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-baudo-sillerman/millicent-borges-accardi_b_606404.html  


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From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
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Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:35 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] Murillo's Up Jump the Boogie


A review of John Murillo's debut collection, *Up Jump the Boogie,* which is one of the best first books of poetry I've seen in a long time: 


http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_15236489


And here's a poem from the book:



Practicing Fade-Aways


--after Larry Levis 


On a deserted playground in late day sun,
My palms dusted black, dribbling
A worn leather ball behind my back, this loneliness
Echoes from the handball courts nearby.
Nearly all the markings--free- throw lane, sideline,
Center circle--all rubbed to nothing.
A crack in the earth cuts across the schoolyard
Jagged as a scar on a choir boy's cheek.  


Twenty years ago,
I ran this very court with nine other 
Wanna-be ballers.  We'd steal 
Through peeled chain links, or hop 
The gate to get here:  Our blacktop Eden.
One boy, who had a funny pigeon-toed set shot
And a voice full of church bells, sang spirituals
Every time he made a basket, 
The other boys humming along, laughing,
High-fives flying down the court.


And a boy we called 'The Sandman' 
For how he put you to sleep with his shoulder fake or drop step,
Over six feet tall in the tenth grade,
Smooth talker with an itch for older guys' girlfriends.
One Sunday morning, they found him stabbed to death
Outside the Motel 6, pockets untouched,
Bills folded neatly against his beautiful cooling thigh.
And 'Downtown' Ricky Brown,
Whose family headed west when he was two,
But still called himself a New Yorker,
Who never pulled from less than thirty feet out,
And could bank shots blindfolded.
He went to Grambling, drove himself
Crazy with conspiracy theories and liquor,
Was last seen roaming the French Quarter, shoeless, babbling
About the Illuminati's six-hundred sixty-six ways
To enslave the populace.


At sixteen, I discovered 
Venice Beach, with its thousand bodybuilders,
Roller skates, and red thong bikinis.
I would stand on the sidelines and watch
The local ballplayers, leaping and hollering
Quicksilver giants, run and gun,
Already grown into their man bodies,
Funkadelic rising from a boombox in the sand.
Now, all I hear are chain nets chiming as I sink
One fade-away after another,
The backboard, the pole, throwing a long shadow
Across the cracked black asphalt. 


What the nets want must be this caress, 
This stillness stretching
Along every avenue, over high school 
Gymnasiums and deserted playgrounds,
And the ambulance drivers drifting into naps
Back at the station house.
What the boys who ran these courts wanted was 
A lob pass high enough
To pull them into the sky,
Something they could catch in both hands
And hang from,
Long enough for someone to snap 
A photograph, to hold them there,
Skybound.  Risen.


--John Murillo.  Verse Wisconsin 101 (Winter 2010).




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From jforjames  Thu Jun 10 18:22:48 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 18:22:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: little star
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http://littlestarjournal.com/index.html

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From jjeffreymail  Thu Jun 10 18:44:25 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jun 10 18:44:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison Keillor
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Judges in Summer

by Barry Spacks

Sometimes people who judge and judge
turn lovely in summer, with gin & tonics.

They shop at little roadside stands;
brood in a trance over silks of corn.

Lounging around, still starched from swimming,
they speak mild words in the evening air

and leave the work of keeping up standards
to bickering children, questions of worth

to the waves. In town, in handkerchief dresses,
rumpled white suits, they smile, they visit?

they water the garden; hum with the cat.
In shirt and jeans they climb the rocks

with wine in a thermos, a bag of bread
to throw to those ravenous muscles the gulls?

and there they offer a round of applause
(of the gentle sort once used watching tennis)

to see the fat sun dip away
through its showy orange time.

"Judges in Summer" by Barry Spacks, from Spacks Street: New and Selected Poems. ? The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1982. Reprinted with permission (buy now)



      
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From jforjames  Thu Jun 10 19:21:23 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 19:21:23 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies
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This is Paula Claire...
http://paulaclaire.com/paula_claire_biog.htm



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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies



Crybabies, the lot of 'em.




From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
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Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 3:14:25 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] more oxford follies


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jun/09/oxford-poetry-professor-claire
 
Last year Nobel laureate Derek Walcott pulled out of the election for Oxford professor of poetry; now the only woman standing in this year's contest, poet Paula Claire, has withdrawn in protest over what she is describing as "serious flaws" in the election process that she believes have pushed best-known candidate Geoffrey Hill ahead of all other contenders.

Claire, an Oxford-based poet who hoped to "provide a comprehensive update on the hidden mass of innovative 20th-century poetic forms; show how the tradition of group speaking of poetry has been revitalised; and encourage the use of modern technology in the service of poetry" if she were elected, informed Oxford University yesterday that she would no longer be running in the election.







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From anny.ballardini  Fri Jun 11 06:19:50 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri Jun 11 06:19:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison Keillor
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GREAT ! Excellent poem by* our* Barry Spacks!
Thank you for forwarding it,

Anny

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:48 AM, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Judges in Summer
>
> by Barry Spacks
>
> Sometimes people who judge and judge
> turn lovely in summer, with gin & tonics.
>
> They shop at little roadside stands;
> brood in a trance over silks of corn.
>
> Lounging around, still starched from swimming,
> they speak mild words in the evening air
>
> and leave the work of keeping up standards
> to bickering children, questions of worth
>
> to the waves. In town, in handkerchief dresses,
> rumpled white suits, they smile, they visit?
>
> they water the garden; hum with the cat.
> In shirt and jeans they climb the rocks
>
> with wine in a thermos, a bag of bread
> to throw to those ravenous muscles the gulls?
>
> and there they offer a round of applause
> (of the gentle sort once used watching tennis)
>
> to see the fat sun dip away
> through its showy orange time.
>
> "Judges in Summer" by Barry Spacks, from Spacks Street: New and Selected
> Poems. ? The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1982. Reprinted with permission
> (buy now)
>
>
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http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 08:08:46 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 08:08:46 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Patti Smith and Just Kids
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http://blogs.forbes.com/booked/2010/06/11/patti-smith-says-goodbye/
Musical prowess aside, Patti Smith is also an accomplished poet. A draftsman. A self-taught Rimbaud scholar. A student of world religions. A sometime actor. And a lifelong companion and muse to the late photographer Robert Mapplethorpe (1946-1989).

It?s this last bit?orbited by Smith?s compelling associations with it?that forms the focus of Just Kids (Ecco, $27). Part memoir, part paean to her departed other half, the book begins and ends with recollections of losing Robert. In between is the lyrical fairy tale of their lives, together and apart, artistically and personally.



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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 10:29:40 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 10:29:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Photographs of Allen Ginsberg
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http://bigthink.com/ideas/20461

Beat Memories: The Photographs of Allen Ginsberg, currently at the National Gallery of Art, Washington, DC, through September 6, 2010, shows how Ginsberg?s photography also demonstrates how his ?angel eyes? helped inform the literary movement it as well as document the Beats during their glory days all the way up to the final ones.



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From amyhappens  Fri Jun 11 11:06:32 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun 11 11:06:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Huffington Post Interview / Idealism / Poetry
Message-ID: <440607.57761.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Perhaps I am too idealistic in my replies - please do weigh in if you are so moved:

 
The Poetry Feminaissance by Travis Nichols

Are you a poet? Do you feel overwhelmed by negativity? Feel like there's no hope for a poet in this world? Especially a female poet? Well don't despair. Spend some time with Amy King. She's the author of Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox), and, with Ana Bozicevic, she co-curates the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stain of Poetry, and, maybe most importantly, she has ideas. Over the past few weeks we've been emailing back and forth about her ideas of what it means to be a poet today. Here's a few slices of the force for your perusal. Enjoy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html


      

From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 11:06:56 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 11:06:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Amy King interviewed on Huffington 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html

   
The Poetry Feminaissance
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 11:28:36 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 11:28:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Getting the World into Poems, review by Simic in NYRB
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Ninety-Fifth Street 
by John Koethe
HarperPerennial, 80 pp., $14.99 (paper) 

Versed 
by Rae Armantrout
Wesleyan University Press, 121 pp., $22.95; $14.95 (paper) 

Unincorporated Persons in the Late Honda Dynasty 
by Tony Hoagland
Graywolf, 90 pp., $15.00 (paper) 


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/24/getting-world-poems/



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From cvoisine  Fri Jun 11 12:06:50 2010
From: cvoisine (Connie Voisine)
Date: Fri Jun 11 12:06:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] huffington post
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not too idealistic, amy! better that.

c

ps a quote from that madman..

from Empson's English Pastoral Poetry


"Probably no one would deny that he [W.W. Jacobs] writes a version of
pastoral. The truth that supports his formula is that such men as his
characters keep their souls alive by ironical humour, a subtle mode of
thought which among other things makes you willing to be ruled by your
betters; and this makes the bourgeois feel safe in Wapping."






-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027

From halvard  Fri Jun 11 12:09:00 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Fri Jun 11 12:09:00 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Meditation WX
Message-ID: <AANLkTikezZiLPtiGZFtXT80fwU3SIdoxXXpMSelYOj9Z@mail.gmail.com>

Meditation WX

Mixed up, always,
uninhibited with
uninhabited.

Unperforated people
ardent as ever
tucked into a file

folder with other
spent mail, a band
donned regalia

unseen, parasitical.
Peoria's there, right
where we left it.


Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 13:25:18 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 13:25:18 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] blog log: speaking of poems
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http://speakingofpoems.blogspot.com/

Excerpt from recent post...
There?s a moment in Canadian poet John Glassco?s Memoirs of Montparnasse when Ford Maddox Ford recounts an earlier discussion with W.B. Yeats. Why, they asked, is joyfulness so seldom communicated in modern poetry? Joy can be found in prose. Why not in modern verse?

Ford thought he had the answer: ?(If) poetry expresses the reality of existence - as I believe, along with Willie Yeats, it does...it follows that the experience of joy is in the nature of a fever, of hysteria, and not a well-founded natural human experience or condition.? 
"The poet," Ford concluded, ?is more at home in sorrow.?

--
Also a post below that on anthologies.
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 14:04:55 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 14:04:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Getting the World into Poems, review by Simic in NYRB
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Review of the review...
http://pansypoetics.blogspot.com/2010/06/on-charles-simics-review-of-koethe.html



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Subject: [New-Poetry] Getting the World into Poems, review by Simic in NYRB


Ninety-Fifth Street 
by John Koethe
HarperPerennial, 80 pp., $14.99 (paper) 
 
Versed 
by Rae Armantrout
Wesleyan University Press, 121 pp., $22.95; $14.95 (paper) 
 
Unincorporated Persons in the Late Honda Dynasty 
by Tony Hoagland
Graywolf, 90 pp., $15.00 (paper) 
 
 
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/24/getting-world-poems/


 


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From amyhappens  Fri Jun 11 14:14:48 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun 11 14:14:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] huffington post
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 Thanks much, Connie!  And for the quote...


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Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 2:11:05 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] huffington post

not too idealistic, amy! better that.

c

ps a quote from that madman..

from Empson's English Pastoral Poetry


"Probably no one would deny that he [W.W. Jacobs] writes a version of
pastoral. The truth that supports his formula is that such men as his
characters keep their souls alive by ironical humour, a subtle mode of
thought which among other things makes you willing to be ruled by your
betters; and this makes the bourgeois feel safe in Wapping."






-- 
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Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 11 15:08:32 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 11 15:08:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Canada's Pat Lowther
Message-ID: <8CCD7C1F173975A-1EF0-1624F@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/books/review-the-collected-poems-of-pat-lowther-edited-by-christine-wiesenthal/article1600802/

Pat Lowther never showed up. That night, her husband bludgeoned her with a hammer and dumped her body into Furry Creek. Her demise is summarized in one sentence in Christine Wiesenthal's introduction to The Collected Works of Pat Lowther: ?The abrupt end of 
Pat Lowther's generously resourceful and creative life, by spousal homicide in September, 1975, remains one of the sorriest events in our recent literary history.? This is the only reference to Lowther's death and what led up to it, though Wiesenthal wasn't short of material. She wrote Lowther's biography, The Half-Lives of Pat Lowther, published in 2005. 

I can only assume that she means the collected poems to be a companion volume to that text and that, perhaps, she wants a reader to separate the writing from the life. That's hard to do when it comes to this poet. 

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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jun 12 06:47:45 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jun 12 06:47:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Amy King interviewed on Huffington
In-Reply-To: <8CCD7A032E87CAB-3964-1432C@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD7A032E87CAB-3964-1432C@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com>
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Amy King's answers, as usual, are outstanding.


On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html
>
> The Poetry Feminaissance
>
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jun 12 06:53:53 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jun 12 06:53:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Botticelli's Venus and Mars
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQXR5F2xhZhUHKNE0J1UgkzWBGIHw9cvm5yFI2@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127752216

-- 
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From jforjames  Sat Jun 12 08:25:04 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 12 08:25:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Columbia-Penn Poetics Initiative
Message-ID: <8CCD852C68DE522-578-1C15A@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com>

http://rethinkingpoetics.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/announcing-the-columbia-penn-poetics-initiative/


I just saw notice of this...sorry it wasn't posted earlier.
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From jforjames  Mon Jun 14 10:05:48 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 14 10:05:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] West Chester Conference
Message-ID: <8CCD9EAA9D8E49C-1E18-7C1@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/06/14/life/doc4c16272056713473934583.txt  
WEST CHESTER ? "Part of childhood is being frightened by adults," said singer/songwriter Natalie Merchant on Saturday night at West Chester University's Madeleine Wing Adler Theatre as she performed material from her latest album, "Leave Your Sleep," which consists of classic children's poetry she has set to music.

The same is often true for young poets as they relate to what seems to be the established elite ? but not at the 16th annual WCU Poetry Conference, to which Merchant's concert served as an exclamation point.

"Writing is a solitary act; it's incredibly lonely," said Malachi Black, who is seeking her master's in fine arts at the University of Texas at Austin. "Whenever you submit poetry for publication, you're being declined as often as you're being accepted. Here it's all about acceptance."


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From amyhappens  Mon Jun 14 10:17:56 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 14 10:17:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] "Coverage" beyond the Media -- New Statements & Poems
	@ Poets for Living Waters
Message-ID: <374819.51917.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

THREE POEMS BY ELIZABETH TWIDDY
TWO POEMS BY CAITLIN PLUNKETT
APORIA BY ROBERT PHILBEN
IN EXTREMIS [+ VIDEO] BY NEIL DE LA FLOR
TWO POEMS BY MARTHA SERPAS
TWO POEMS BY FRANK SHERLOCK
PHILADELPHIA WORLD OCEANS DAY READING!
LICKETY-SPLIT BY ANNE HIGGINS
A MOODY STREAM BY STEVE DALACHINSKY
THE FLOODING THAT WRITES ITSELF BY EILEEN R. TABIOS
TWO POEMS BY MELISSA TUCKEY
ORIFICE BY MARCELLA DURAND
DESCENDING BLUES BY BRANDON LAMSON
AN ORDINANCE OF POSSESSION BY TONY MANCUS
TWO POEMS BY MOLLY GAUDRY
CHANDELEUR SOUND BY MARTHE REED
DEEPWATER HORIZON POEMS BY NICOLE MAURO
HONORING WORLD OCEANS DAY ? BROOKLYN ACTION
TEMPUS FIDGET BY GEOFFREY GATZA
HONORING WORLD OCEANS DAY?ALASKAN ACTION
FOUR POEMS BY MICHAEL ROBINS
SPIRIT BEAR BY CONRAD DIDIODATO
FIVE POEMS BY AMY SARA CARROLLECHOES BY NATHAN HAUKE

http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

~~~~~


      


From jforjames  Mon Jun 14 10:19:19 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 14 10:19:19 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Lives Like Loaded Guns
In-Reply-To: <8CCD9718696E48C-1274-30818@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com>
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/books/2012073587_br13emily.html?cmpid=2628
 
With most biographies, death marks the end of the story; in Lyndall Gordon's mesmerizing "Lives Like Loaded Guns: Emily Dickinson and Her Family's Feuds," a poet's death is like a rock tossed into a pond, leaving disturbed water in its wake. Dickinson, who spent much of her life quietly writing poetry in her room, died in 1886 at the age of 55. Rarely leaving her Amherst home, she published fewer than a dozen poems in her lifetime. Her death set off ? to use a phrase from a Dickinson poem, also borrowed by Gordon for a title ? a loaded gun. Who would control the unpublished poems ? nearly 1,800 ? left behind? Who would introduce this shadowy figure to the world, and own her legacy?


 

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From halvard  Mon Jun 14 10:32:10 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon Jun 14 10:32:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] West Chester Conference
In-Reply-To: <8CCD9EAA9D8E49C-1E18-7C1@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD9EAA9D8E49C-1E18-7C1@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>
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Hmm, with a 50% rejection rate, we'd all be doing a lot better.

Hal

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================

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On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:09 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/06/14/life/doc4c16272056713473934583.txt
>
> WEST CHESTER ? "Part of childhood is being frightened by adults," said
> singer/songwriter Natalie Merchant on Saturday night at West Chester
> University's Madeleine Wing Adler Theatre as she performed material from her
> latest album, "Leave Your Sleep," which consists of classic children's
> poetry she has set to music.
>
> The same is often true for young poets as they relate to what seems to be
> the established elite ? but not at the 16th annual WCU Poetry Conference, to
> which Merchant's concert served as an exclamation point.
>
> "Writing is a solitary act; it's incredibly lonely," said Malachi Black,
> who is seeking her master's in fine arts at the University of Texas at
> Austin. "Whenever you submit poetry for publication, you're being declined
> as often as you're being accepted. Here it's all about acceptance."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
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From ccooley  Mon Jun 14 11:18:50 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Mon Jun 14 11:18:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison Keillor
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1B9JGs1GDIdYlfY3SZCJsM3s-XXWPrnHvHJs-@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, Barry!


> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison
> ? ? ? ?Keillor
>
> Judges in Summer
>
> by Barry Spacks
>
> Sometimes people who judge and judge
> turn lovely in summer, with gin & tonics.
>
> They shop at little roadside stands;n> brood in a trance over silks of corn.
>
> Lounging around, still starched from swimming,
> they speak mild words in the evening air
>
> and leave the work of keeping up standards
> to bickering children, questions of worth
>
> to the waves. In town, in handkerchief dresses,
> rumpled white suits, they smile, they visit?
>
> they water the garden; hum with the cat.
> In shirt and jeans they climb the rocks
>
> with wine in a thermos, a bag of bread
> to throw to those ravenous muscles the gulls?
>
> and there they offer a round of applause
> (of the gentle sort once used watching tennis)
>
> to see the fat sun dip away
> through its showy orange time.
>
> "Judges in Summer" by Barry Spacks, from Spacks Street: New and Selected Poems. ? The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1982. Reprinted with permission (buy now)
>


From anny.ballardini  Mon Jun 14 11:36:48 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon Jun 14 11:36:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Oporto calling
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-Av6QzX31Cwo2o5kPssNpvF7eOkHMk13qMFI9@mail.gmail.com>

 POLISSEMA - A Journal of Letters

 Volume 10, 2010

 Call for Submissions

 Polissema - A Journal of Letters is published yearly by the Institute
 of Accounting and Administration, of Oporto (Instituto Superior de
 Contabilidade e Administra??o do Porto), Portugal, and Volume 10 is
 now being prepared. It is dedicated to promoting effective
 communication and exchange between scholars, teachers and institutions
 of higher learning in the area of Translation Studies, Languages and
 Literatures and the Humanities in general.
 The articles will be reviewed by internal and external referees. All
 contributors should follow the journal's editorial guidelines (see below).

 Critical reviews of translations, dictionaries, and books published in
 2009/2010 are also welcome.
 Submission Deadline
 All articles and reviews must be received by June 30th, 2010. Please
 send contributions via email to polissema at iscap.ipp.pt.
 Please find enclosed the guidelines for the articles and reviews.

> The President of the Scientific Board, Dalila Maria Cerqueira Pereira
> da Silva Lopes
>
> * Please be sure to indicate return address, email, and telephone
> number, along with a short biography.



-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From jforjames  Mon Jun 14 21:07:27 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 14 21:07:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY, directed by Chang-dong Lee
Message-ID: <8CCDA4FAA54A1B2-18B4-535B@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.festival-cannes.com/en/archives/ficheFilm/id/11021704.html 
POETRY
Directed by : LEE Chang-dong  
Country: KOREA (South) 
Year: 2010 
Duration: 139.00 minutes 

Mija lives with her middle-schooler grandson in a small suburban city located along the Han River. She is a dandy old lady who likes to dress up in flower-decorated hats and fashionable outfits, but she is also an unpredictable character with an inquisitive mind. By chance she takes a "poetry" class at a neighborhood cultural center and is challenged to write a poem for the first time in her life. 

Her quest for poetic inspiration begins with observing the everyday life she never intentional took notice of before to find beauty within it. And with this, Mija is delightfully surprised with newfound trepidation as if she were a little girl discovering things for the first time in her life. 

But when she is suddendly faced with a reality harsh beyond her imagination, she realizes perhaps life is not as beautiful as she had thought it is... 


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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jun 15 06:56:53 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jun 15 06:56:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Ron Silliman
In-Reply-To: <SNT135-w3889BB20E6FC4CED36D39E80E20@phx.gbl>
References: <201005042116.o44LG0KE028342@wiz.cath.vt.edu>, ,
	<462D92D2-99B7-4446-996A-90F79C7590BC@verizon.net>, ,
	<4BF31E0A.9090903@nut-n-but.net>,
	<SNT135-w3889BB20E6FC4CED36D39E80E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT135-w62E08D7D435A11FC30641680DD0@phx.gbl>


Ron Silliman responds this week to ten questions on poets & technology: http://bit.ly/dbgxRF.
Series' standing page: http://bit.ly/c0aBUb
Best, Nic
Nic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com


 		 	   		  
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From jforjames  Tue Jun 15 10:21:08 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 15 10:21:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Grennan gives literary archive to Emory
Message-ID: <8CCDABE902C5FF7-127C-2040@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>


Poet Eamon Grennan gives literary archive to Emory
(AP) ? 6 hours ago
ATLANTA ? Irish poet Eamon Grennan is placing his literary papers at Emory University's library in Atlanta.
The collection includes 170 journals and drafts of poems dating back to the late 1960s, when Grennan was in Rome and met expatriate writers including Ezra Pound.

Grennan's archive joins an internationally known collection of Irish authors and poets, including W.B. Yeats, Seamus Heaney, Derek Mahon and Paul Muldoon. Grennan says he chose Emory in part because the university's collection is like "an Irish village."

The Dublin native is an Irish citizen who's lived in the United States for decades. He was an English professor at Vassar College in New York state for more than 30 years, retiring in 2004.
___
Online:

http://poetry.emory.edu/

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From amyhappens  Tue Jun 15 10:33:58 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jun 15 10:33:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Announcing the Stain summer calendar!
Message-ID: <456518.3778.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Stain of Poetry
http://stainofpoetry.com

Dog days of summer? Why who says so. With a trio of stellar readings
lined up for you, Stain is all about the summer in the city!

June 25, Friday
James Bellflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor, Matthew Thorburn, Kim
Gek Lin Short, Wendy Wisner

July 30, Friday
Amy De?Ath, Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor, Kate Schapira, Dustin
Williamson, Octavio R. Gonzalez

August 27, Friday
Jennifer Karmin, Joanna Ruocco, Allison Benis White, Peter Spagnuolo,
Eric Lindley, Amina Cain, Amarnath Ravva

Stay tuned for details.




_______

RECENT -- 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html


      


From jforjames  Tue Jun 15 12:03:55 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 15 12:03:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Logan trampling the new versage
Message-ID: <8CCDACCE74DCBC1-127C-36E2@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/Trampling-out-the-new-vintage-5334

June 2010
Trampling out the new vintage
by William Logan

On Wait by C. K. Williams, Unincorporated Persons in the Late Honda Dynasty by Tony Hoagland, Simplify Me When I'm Dead by Keith Douglas, Rain by Don Paterson, White Egrets by Derek Walcott & Nox by Anne Carson



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From newpoetry  Tue Jun 15 20:10:19 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Tue Jun 15 20:10:19 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison
	Keillor
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1B9JGs1GDIdYlfY3SZCJsM3s-XXWPrnHvHJs-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik1B9JGs1GDIdYlfY3SZCJsM3s-XXWPrnHvHJs-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DC1972D-AA44-4B8D-82C9-F82730A1B00D@mikesnider.org>

Congratulations indeed!

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2010, at 16:34, Crisman Cooley <ccooley at overdomain.com> wrote:

> Congratulations, Barry!
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [New-Poetry] From today's Writer's Almanac with Garrison
>>        Keillor
>> 
>> Judges in Summer
>> 
>> by Barry Spacks
>> 
>> Sometimes people who judge and judge
>> turn lovely in summer, with gin & tonics.
>> 
>> They shop at little roadside stands;n> brood in a trance over silks of corn.
>> 
>> Lounging around, still starched from swimming,
>> they speak mild words in the evening air
>> 
>> and leave the work of keeping up standards
>> to bickering children, questions of worth
>> 
>> to the waves. In town, in handkerchief dresses,
>> rumpled white suits, they smile, they visit?
>> 
>> they water the garden; hum with the cat.
>> In shirt and jeans they climb the rocks
>> 
>> with wine in a thermos, a bag of bread
>> to throw to those ravenous muscles the gulls?
>> 
>> and there they offer a round of applause
>> (of the gentle sort once used watching tennis)
>> 
>> to see the fat sun dip away
>> through its showy orange time.
>> 
>> "Judges in Summer" by Barry Spacks, from Spacks Street: New and Selected Poems. ? The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1982. Reprinted with permission (buy now)
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


From newpoetry  Tue Jun 15 20:11:22 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Tue Jun 15 20:11:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] huffington post
In-Reply-To: <420858.57693.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinhAfuEXqU6LmjnGPDppImo5XwXxBTnTlOtv2Hf@mail.gmail.com>
	<420858.57693.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BFFBC36-FCB8-4E69-A4CE-00C499A2752E@mikesnider.org>

I'll get to read it this weekend, I hope ...

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2010, at 16:19, amy king <amyhappens at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Thanks much, Connie!  And for the quote...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 2:11:05 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] huffington post
> 
> not too idealistic, amy! better that.
> 
> c
> 
> ps a quote from that madman..
> 
> from Empson's English Pastoral Poetry
> 
> 
> "Probably no one would deny that he [W.W. Jacobs] writes a version of
> pastoral. The truth that supports his formula is that such men as his
> characters keep their souls alive by ironical humour, a subtle mode of
> thought which among other things makes you willing to be ruled by your
> betters; and this makes the bourgeois feel safe in Wapping."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
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From newpoetry  Tue Jun 15 20:17:57 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Tue Jun 15 20:17:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Ron Silliman
In-Reply-To: <SNT135-w62E08D7D435A11FC30641680DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <201005042116.o44LG0KE028342@wiz.cath.vt.edu>, ,
	<462D92D2-99B7-4446-996A-90F79C7590BC@verizon.net>, ,
	<4BF31E0A.9090903@nut-n-but.net>,
	<SNT135-w3889BB20E6FC4CED36D39E80E20@phx.gbl>
	<SNT135-w62E08D7D435A11FC30641680DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <65B79D6D-019D-4A01-BA3A-FFE201E6FA81@mikesnider.org>

Glad you're keeping this going, Nic.

Maybe I'll get caught up soon.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:01, Nic Sebastian <nic_sebastian at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ron Silliman responds this week to ten questions on poets & technology: http://bit.ly/dbgxRF.
> 
> Series' standing page: http://bit.ly/c0aBUb
> 
> Best, Nic
> 
> Nic Sebastian
> http://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.
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From editor  Wed Jun 16 04:01:42 2010
From: editor (Roger Collett)
Date: Wed Jun 16 04:01:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press
Message-ID: <7C7F8B1B1EA84F0A82ADC91E28F9F575@ROCKY>

Robin Hamilton's book - Pacts and Conjurations is on Special Offer for a limited time at a 
Saving of 35%

Please buy a copy and help us to reduce the stock held as we are running out of storage space.

This volume is now only ?7.00 and is very good value

Roger Collett
Arrowhead Press
http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/
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"Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality."
Jules de Gaultier





From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun 16 13:15:05 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun 16 13:15:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Egophobia
Message-ID: <AANLkTimt4tz8fvhqd7IkKpi-5SUNyzoNyOM1-kJzq-K0@mail.gmail.com>

Egophobia's Short Story section is proud to announce the release of our "All
Romanian" Summer Edition.

http://egophobia.ro/?cat=22 English version

http://egophobia.ro/?cat=393 Romanian version

Contributors:
Adrian S?ngeorzan, Robert ?erban, R?zvan Petrescu, Dumitru Radu Popa, George
Asztalos, Adrian Ioni??, Gheorghe Reche?an, Andrei Mocu?a, Fabian Anton.

Translation by:
Manuela Cazan, Caroline Carver, Iris Butnariu, Andrada Vissarion, Philippa
Lawrence, Silvia Bratu, Olimpia Malai, Nigel Walker, Gina Liliana Cotoarb?,
Pat Earnshaw, Simona Daniela Sanda, Laura Badea, Alina Bl?naru, Doris
Plantus-Runey and Valentina Tache

Special thanks for MTTLC , the publishing house of the MA Programme for the
Translation of the Contemporary Literary Text, created and directed by Prof.
Dr. Lidia Vianu at Bucharest University.

Our Fall Edition will feature short stories by Andrew Kooman ( Canada,)
Michael Graeme ( UK,) JKS Makokha ( Kenya) Robert Fenhagen ( USA) and many
others.
Hope you enjoy this release as much as we enjoyed making it.

Adrian Ionita & Robert Fenhagen

-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun 16 13:17:36 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun 16 13:17:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Rhotic and non-rhotic accents
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrIPNd6kYo74g7LCrPZ-n9HD6dn51UXLXXl-BI@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents
*
(nothing to do with erotic)*

-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From newpoetry  Wed Jun 16 19:33:41 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Wed Jun 16 19:33:41 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press
In-Reply-To: <7C7F8B1B1EA84F0A82ADC91E28F9F575@ROCKY>
References: <7C7F8B1B1EA84F0A82ADC91E28F9F575@ROCKY>
Message-ID: <77E6AEE6-E392-4783-8C01-CCBC2C832DDD@mikesnider.org>

Thanks for the heads up! I'll be ordering payday ? "limited time" lasts till Friday, no? 

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:06, "Roger Collett" <editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk> wrote:

> Robin Hamilton's book - Pacts and Conjurations is on Special Offer for a limited time at a Saving of 35%
> 
> Please buy a copy and help us to reduce the stock held as we are running out of storage space.
> 
> This volume is now only ?7.00 and is very good value
> 
> Roger Collett
> Arrowhead Press
> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality."
> Jules de Gaultier
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


From editor  Thu Jun 17 00:53:04 2010
From: editor (Roger Collett)
Date: Thu Jun 17 00:53:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press
References: <7C7F8B1B1EA84F0A82ADC91E28F9F575@ROCKY>
	<77E6AEE6-E392-4783-8C01-CCBC2C832DDD@mikesnider.org>
Message-ID: <1202E2FE88C341C4936DC6DB2AE9C239@ROCKY>

Yes Mike, the offer is valid until 31st July.  Details on our website home page at:

http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk     Click on the book title link, then look for the trolley 
icon.

You can pay by cheque if holder of a UK bank account or by credit/debit card in other 
currencies. All transactions go via PayPal. Please remember to select the correct postage rate 
as you follow the checkout routine. You would be surprised how many people don't do so, and it 
then gets complicated. Enjoy Robin's fine work.

Roger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Snider" <newpoetry at mikesnider.org>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press


Thanks for the heads up! I'll be ordering payday ? "limited time" lasts till Friday, no?

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:06, "Roger Collett" <editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk> wrote:

> Robin Hamilton's book - Pacts and Conjurations is on Special Offer for a limited time at a 
> Saving of 35%
>
> Please buy a copy and help us to reduce the stock held as we are running out of storage space.
>
> This volume is now only ?7.00 and is very good value
>
> Roger Collett
> Arrowhead Press
> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality."
> Jules de Gaultier
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry

_______________________________________________
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From anny.ballardini  Thu Jun 17 02:45:56 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jun 17 02:45:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] from Joel Weishaus
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFItfqYjwRB_tVpRuMvqQ6B2YNgsxdO_Q0cFQI@mail.gmail.com>

This is the fourth Poetica review, in which I discuss Michael McClure's
latest book of poems, "Mysteriosos":
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Poetica/blog-4.htm

-Joel Weishaus

Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282
On-Line Archive:
www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From amyhappens  Thu Jun 17 12:34:37 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jun 17 12:34:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Work Up - Poets for Living Waters
Message-ID: <439835.33374.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

FUNDRAISING TO SAVE THE GULF?MICHAEL ROTHENBERG OF BIG BRIDGE RALLIES UPCOMING COMMUNITY ACTION
BLACKBURNIAN WARBLER BY JONATHAN SKINNER
MARE PETROLEUM BY JAMES REIDEL
THREE POEMS BY MICHAEL LEE RATTIGAN
FINAL POEM FOR THE BODY BY RICKEY LAURENTIIS
FOUR POEMS BY KAZIM ALI
THREE POEMS BY LARA CANDLAND
MISSISSIPPI BY CAITLIN THOMPSON
TWO POEMS BY BRIAN SPEARS
FROM THINGS COLUMBUS SAID ABOUT GOLD BY SCOTT ABELS
THREE PROSE POEMS BY MICHAEL LEONG
JUST DIGESTED BY LEORA FRIDMAN
PIMP MY TOP KILL LIVE FEED MOTHERSHIP BY SHARON MESMER

http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

Complete list here + note about Poets for Living Waters -

http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/not-your-usual-media-coverage/

 ********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org

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From amyhappens  Thu Jun 17 17:18:31 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jun 17 17:18:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Query - Media
Message-ID: <507247.2433.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Query --  http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/huffington-post-arts-but-not-the-literary-arts/

Thanks,

Amy
 ********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
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From newpoetry  Thu Jun 17 20:38:04 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jun 17 20:38:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Other Voices
Message-ID: <021D877B-21DE-48B2-AB81-A6393B933E80@mikesnider.org>

Hey folks -

For what it's worth, I'm podcasting, a poem a day, the mss I'm shopping around. It's called Other Voices, and the first 3 poems are up at http://www.mikesnider.org/listenup/listenup.html

Thanks for listening.

From newpoetry  Thu Jun 17 20:42:20 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jun 17 20:42:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press
In-Reply-To: <1202E2FE88C341C4936DC6DB2AE9C239@ROCKY>
References: <7C7F8B1B1EA84F0A82ADC91E28F9F575@ROCKY>
	<77E6AEE6-E392-4783-8C01-CCBC2C832DDD@mikesnider.org>
	<1202E2FE88C341C4936DC6DB2AE9C239@ROCKY>
Message-ID: <28793484-64B7-4A30-A0BA-0EF94CA0D2CF@mikesnider.org>

Thanks, Roger.

On Jun 17, 2010, at 2:57, "Roger Collett" <editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes Mike, the offer is valid until 31st July.  Details on our website home page at:
> 
> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk     Click on the book title link, then look for the trolley icon.
> 
> You can pay by cheque if holder of a UK bank account or by credit/debit card in other currencies. All transactions go via PayPal. Please remember to select the correct postage rate as you follow the checkout routine. You would be surprised how many people don't do so, and it then gets complicated. Enjoy Robin's fine work.
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Snider" <newpoetry at mikesnider.org>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Special Offer from Arrowhead Press
> 
> 
> Thanks for the heads up! I'll be ordering payday ? "limited time" lasts till Friday, no?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:06, "Roger Collett" <editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Robin Hamilton's book - Pacts and Conjurations is on Special Offer for a limited time at a Saving of 35%
>> 
>> Please buy a copy and help us to reduce the stock held as we are running out of storage space.
>> 
>> This volume is now only ?7.00 and is very good value
>> 
>> Roger Collett
>> Arrowhead Press
>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality."
>> Jules de Gaultier
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


From newpoetry  Thu Jun 17 20:49:57 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jun 17 20:49:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] aargh!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimpiokTy4tMqe2X37wuhC5mpSX2CUqM7ttOgRMv@mail.gmail.com>

shoulda used this url: http://www.mikesnider.org/listenup/listenup.html
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From jforjames  Fri Jun 18 12:17:27 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 18 12:17:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hill is Oxford's Prof of Poetry
Message-ID: <8CCDD2A5AE91767-F0C-A81F@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/geoffrey-hill-is-oxfords-next-professor-of-poetry/

Geoffrey Hill Is Oxford?s Next Professor of Poetry
By DAVE ITZKOFF
Oli Scarff/Getty Images
 
Peace has at last returned to Oxford University, now that it has chosen its professor of poetry.The 2010 race for Oxford University?s professor of poetry had it all: newfangled rules to allow online voting, an 11th-hour withdrawal by its only female candidate, a furious final round of campaigning by its 10 remaining contenders and plenty of name-calling. And in the end, the front-runner won, anyway.

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From cervantes.james  Fri Jun 18 14:05:03 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Fri Jun 18 14:05:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hill is Oxford's Prof of Poetry
In-Reply-To: <8CCDD2A5AE91767-F0C-A81F@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCDD2A5AE91767-F0C-A81F@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiltKYoWr8PbxdUILeroi2v70i6Zy_bfEkKt28i3@mail.gmail.com>

Oh gosh, I can breathe again.

- Jim

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>
> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/geoffrey-hill-is-oxfords-next-professor-of-poetry/
>
> Geoffrey Hill Is Oxford?s Next Professor of Poetry
> By DAVE ITZKOFF
> Oli Scarff/Getty Images
>
> Peace has at last returned to Oxford University, now that it has chosen its
> professor of poetry.The 2010 race for Oxford University?s professor of
> poetry had it all: newfangled rules to allow online voting, an 11th-hour
> withdrawal by its only female candidate, a furious final round of
> campaigning by its 10 remaining contenders and plenty of name-calling. And
> in the end, the front-runner won, anyway.
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


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http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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From anny.ballardini  Fri Jun 18 15:16:42 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri Jun 18 15:16:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hill is Oxford's Prof of Poetry
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiltKYoWr8PbxdUILeroi2v70i6Zy_bfEkKt28i3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CCDD2A5AE91767-F0C-A81F@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
	<AANLkTiltKYoWr8PbxdUILeroi2v70i6Zy_bfEkKt28i3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimP0P5guGN0HqPsRJ1G2EV7ZUaVK9KMxSnp_pjz@mail.gmail.com>

Good for you!

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Oh gosh, I can breathe again.
>
> - Jim
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/geoffrey-hill-is-oxfords-next-professor-of-poetry/
>>
>> Geoffrey Hill Is Oxford?s Next Professor of Poetry
>> By DAVE ITZKOFF
>> Oli Scarff/Getty Images
>>
>> Peace has at last returned to Oxford University, now that it has chosen
>> its professor of poetry.The 2010 race for Oxford University?s professor of
>> poetry had it all: newfangled rules to allow online voting, an 11th-hour
>> withdrawal by its only female candidate, a furious final round of
>> campaigning by its 10 remaining contenders and plenty of name-calling. And
>> in the end, the front-runner won, anyway.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From Opus40-01  Sat Jun 19 10:19:05 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat Jun 19 10:19:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Other Voices
In-Reply-To: <021D877B-21DE-48B2-AB81-A6393B933E80@mikesnider.org>
References: <021D877B-21DE-48B2-AB81-A6393B933E80@mikesnider.org>
Message-ID: <4C1CEF42.7050109@opus40.org>

This is very cool.

Mike Snider wrote:
> Hey folks -
>
> For what it's worth, I'm podcasting, a poem a day, the mss I'm shopping around. It's called Other Voices, and the first 3 poems are up at http://www.mikesnider.org/listenup/listenup.html
>
> Thanks for listening.
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>   

-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From newpoetry  Sat Jun 19 15:10:53 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Sat Jun 19 15:10:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Other Voices
In-Reply-To: <4C1CEF42.7050109@opus40.org>
References: <021D877B-21DE-48B2-AB81-A6393B933E80@mikesnider.org>
	<4C1CEF42.7050109@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <54948333-0EF6-4B3F-8B1C-6D8DFD2C5344@mikesnider.org>

Thanks, Tad - 51 more days!

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:24, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

> This is very cool.
> 
> Mike Snider wrote:
>> Hey folks -
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I'm podcasting, a poem a day, the mss I'm shopping around. It's called Other Voices, and the first 3 poems are up at http://www.mikesnider.org/listenup/listenup.html
>> 
>> Thanks for listening.
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>> 
>>  
> 
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
> 
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


From jforjames  Sat Jun 19 17:15:19 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 19 17:15:19 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Laressa Dickey 
Message-ID: <8CCDE1D2D7B4A5D-1694-1769E@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.leftlion.co.uk/articles.cfm/id/3017

Born in Tennessee in 1973, Laressa Dickey grew up on a tobacco farm and currently lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota with her partner ? the playwright and author Ali Gharavi. In addition to writing and teaching poetry, Dickey is a dancer and the suggestion of improvised movement and choreography can visibly be felt in the rhythms, patterns and repetitions she crafts in her poetry. Her search for new ways of poetic expression has seen Dickey write in the form of the prose poem, as well as incorporating nonverbal methods of communication into the fabric and process of her work: including dance practices, painting and horticultural techniques. We caught up with her for a chat about her forthcoming workshops at I am an American Poet. This is American Poetry.

--
LD: "The prose poem is a lovely little animal. It can be very wry and very fast moving. As a reader, you are moving moving through the prose and Kapow!, there?s the poem punching you in the gut. Lyn Hejinian?s My Life catapulted me into prose poem reading and writing." 
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From jforjames  Sun Jun 20 09:20:39 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jun 20 09:20:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Z=C3=BCrau_Aphorisms_of_Franz_Kafka?=
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A mini-review by me, with a selection of Kafka's aphorisms here:
All Aphorisms All The Time 
http://www.jamesgeary.com/blog/




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From anny.ballardini  Sun Jun 20 14:01:17 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun Jun 20 14:01:17 2010
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5BNew=2DPoetry=5D_Z=FCrau_Aphorisms_of_Franz_Kafka?=
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Congratulations,
which do I prefer? All,
but maybe :

Leopards break into the temple and drink all the sacrificial vessels dry; it
keeps happening; in the end, it can be calculated in advance and is
incorporated into the ritual.

There is a destination but no way there; what we refer to as way is
hesitation.



On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:26 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> A mini-review by me, with a selection of Kafka's aphorisms here:
> All Aphorisms All The Time
> http://www.jamesgeary.com/blog/
>
>
>
>
>
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From amyhappens  Mon Jun 21 03:38:32 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 21 03:38:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Friday! James Belflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor,
	Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short & Wendy Wisner
Message-ID: <830570.93442.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Stain of Poetry

?~ James Belflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor, Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short & Wendy?Wisner ~

							
June 25th, Friday @ Goodbye Blue  Monday ? Bushwick, Brooklyn


James Belflower is the author of Commuter (Instance Press) and And Also a Fountain, (NeOpepper Press) a collaborative echap with Anne Heide 
and  J. Michael Martinez. Commuter was recently voted the 2009 ?Best Book  Length Long Poem/Sequence by ColdFront magazine. He  curates PotLatchpoetry.org, a website dedicated to the gifting and  exchange of poetry resources. He received a BA in music composition from  Arizona State University before attending the University of Colorado,  Boulder, for his M.A. in Creative Writing. Belflower currently resides  in New York and is pursuing a PhD in poetics at SUNY Albany.

~

Claire Hero is the  author of Sing, Mongrel(Noemi Press 2009) and  two chapbooks: afterpastures, winner of the 2007 Caketrain  Chapbook Competition, and Cabinet (dancing girl press).? She lives in upstate New York.

~

Shelly Taylor is the author of two poetry chapbooks, Peaches the  Yes-Girl (Portable Press of Yo-Yo Labs, 2008) & Land Wide  to Get a Hold Lost In (Dancing Girl Press, 2009). Black-Eyed Heifer(Tarpaulin Sky Press, May 2010) is her first  full collection. Born in southern Georgia, she currently resides in Tucson, Arizona.

~

Matthew Thorburn is the author of a book of poems, Subject to Change, and  a chapbook, the long poem Disappears in the Rain. He is the recipient of a 2008 Witter Bynner Fellowship from the Library of Congress. Currently, he?s working on two new book projects: Every Possible Blue, a collection of poems about artists and  their work, and Snow in Early Spring, a series of poems set in China, Iceland and Japan. He lives in The Bronx and works as a marketing manager for an international law firm.

~

Kim Gek Lin Short is the author of The  Bugging Watch & Other Exhibits and the forthcoming China Cowboy, both from Tarpaulin  Sky Press. Her chapbooks include The Residents (dancing girl press) and Run (Rope-a-Dope). She lives in Philadelphia with her family.

~


Wendy Wisner?s first book of poems, Epicenter, was published by CW Books in 2004. Her poems have appeared in The Spoon River Review, Rhino, Natural Bridge, The Bellevue Literary Review, online at Verse Daily, and elsewhere.  Wendy previously taught writing and literature at Hunter College, and is now an at-home mom to her two-year-old son. Visit Wendy on the web at www.wendywisner.com.


at
Goodbye Blue Monday
 1087 Broadway
(corner of Dodworth St)
Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343
J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave

or J train to Kosciusko St

~

Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi?
http://stainofpoetry.com/





********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/poets_take_action_in_wake_of_gulf_coast_disaster ?
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf-of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org

********




      


From halvard  Mon Jun 21 12:48:53 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon Jun 21 12:48:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Humoreske
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLR2WMFvKDyJYbwOGmQ6yqRmFyl9WVXBhNCvKL@mail.gmail.com>

Humoreske

Are we inside the frog or outside? To say the least,
it makes for diverse and enjoyable living.
Just off the road to

wherever it was we were going,
very few poets, reading over
your shoulder. Transformed pre-trance

formations, the first I?d ever
heard of. Natural dis-
inclinations.

Marginally pond-bound
exceptional infur-
iations.



Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org
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From jforjames  Tue Jun 22 07:34:32 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Santayana aphorisms
Message-ID: <8CCE02799CB7E77-2720-1E63@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/article-4423-those-who-do-not-remember-santayana-may-still-be-condemned-to-repeat-him.html
Wednesday, June 9,2010 
Those who do not remember Santayana may still be condemned to repeat him
An almost-forgotten philosopher left behind many familiar sayings
by Bill Castanier 

 Along the way, you may have heard some of these aphorisms:
? A child educated only at school is an uneducated child.
? America is a young country with an old mentality.
? Fun is a good thing but only when it spoils nothing better.
? History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren?t there.
? The Bible is a wonderful source of wisdom for those who don?t understand it.
If you think those sound like Mark Twain quotes, you are wrong. These sayings are the product of Spanish-American author and philosopher George Santayana, who was noted for the pithy aphorisms he used to describe American culture and character.



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From amyhappens  Tue Jun 22 11:34:40 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jun 22 11:34:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Answering to Proust  + Twitter's Growing Up
Message-ID: <264546.22010.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The New Media:  Typetrigger debuts [by mid-July] -- today's sneak peak:  


http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/the-proust-questionnaire-twitter-grows-up/  


Enjoy,

Amy



 
********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
********



      

From bobgrumman  Tue Jun 22 13:11:35 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jun 22 13:11:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Chapbook of Mine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimscEo8Ony5zbh4FoM_3y9U0LwnkGkNBJf-BsDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimscEo8Ony5zbh4FoM_3y9U0LwnkGkNBJf-BsDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C211B2D.7090908@nut-n-but.net>



--Bob

From jforjames  Tue Jun 22 13:48:42 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 13:48:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] How Servants Changed Emily Dickinson's Life and
	Language
Message-ID: <8CCE05BE380CB6B-147C-A9D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com>


http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/american-life/Servants-Enhanced-Work-of-Renowned-American-Poet-96883084.html

When American poet Emily Dickinson wrote the lines, "I'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you ? Nobody ? too? Then there's a pair of us!", she might have been writing about the women and men who tended her kitchen hearth and household grounds in the quiet country town of Amherst, Massachusetts. 

Except that the 19th century poet, who yearned for privacy, became a famous "Somebody," while her maids and stablemen, gardeners and laundry workers were forgotten. But those "nobodies" ? long lost to history ? are about to be recognized for their contributions to American literature with the publication of "Maid as Muse: How Servants Changed Emily Dickinson's Life and Language." 
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From bobgrumman  Tue Jun 22 14:36:37 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jun 22 14:36:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [spidertangle] New Chapbook of Mine
In-Reply-To: <4C211B2D.7090908@nut-n-but.net>
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	<4C211B2D.7090908@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <4C212F0D.5010201@nut-n-but.net>

2nd attempt properly to announce publication of a new chapbook of mine.

Title: /Poem Demerging/.  $5 from Phrygian Press, 55-09 205th Street, 
Bayside NY 11364.  21 linguexpressive poems (i.e., poems that are 
linguistically expressive only) about my alter ego, Poem.

Here's the opener, which I chose because it's among the most accessible 
of the poems in the collection, it quickly lets the reader know that 
Poem is a person, and I like it:

*A Bicycle Ride*

Heat-blurred, brittle,
and crowded nearly numb
by what seemed like
a hundred drubbling obligations,
Poem abruptly took off on his bike.
For miles he rod,
no destination in mind,
or belief in the possibility of one.

Finally, late in the afternoon,
he came to a seaside lot
as yet untouched by urban planning.
there, as he drank in the fragments of harbor
a wind-stirred scruffy clump of mangroves was rendering
just-unsecret,
his arrival began.

Phyrgian Press is the one-man operation of Arnold Skemer.  It has 
published seven other chapbooks in the series mine is in.  They are by 
Arnold himself, Alan Catlin, Richard Kostelanetz, Leonard Cirino, Guy R. 
Beining, Geof Huth and Jon Cone.  Arnold has also published a $10 
collection by Jonathan Hayes.


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From pastoral  Tue Jun 22 14:46:10 2010
From: pastoral (Pastor Al Schirmacher)
Date: Tue Jun 22 14:46:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] After a Facebook Post, in light of Bob's post
Message-ID: <019901cb124c$860bdd10$2801a8c0@PASTORAL>

Bob & all,

Ironically, jotted this down yesterday (yours looks much more upbeat; congrats on the chapbook release):

Poem sneaks over the fence

Rustles through the underbrush

Hides underneath the sill

Gradually raising the window, she

Slips into the house

Huddles in the corner

Yet hopes to be noticed

 

Too patient

Passe

Participatory

Poem dies an electronic death

No obituary



Al Schirmacher



(This was written after I asked a question on facebook about how many friends intentionally read poetry - only two admitted they did - and one of those was a Dr. Seuss fan)
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From halvard  Tue Jun 22 14:53:05 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue Jun 22 14:53:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] After a Facebook Post, in light of Bob's post
In-Reply-To: <019901cb124c$860bdd10$2801a8c0@PASTORAL>
References: <019901cb124c$860bdd10$2801a8c0@PASTORAL>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilD7imZj8oFnHtECnF7ZOPAicwxX-nxQfPmGRGx@mail.gmail.com>

I only read poetry intentionally when it's by accident.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Pastor Al Schirmacher <
pastoral at princetonfreechurch.net> wrote:

>  Bob & all,
>
> Ironically, jotted this down yesterday (yours looks much more upbeat;
> congrats on the chapbook release):
>
>
> Poem sneaks over the fence
>
> Rustles through the underbrush
>
> Hides underneath the sill
>
> Gradually raising the window, she
>
> Slips into the house
>
> Huddles in the corner
>
> Yet hopes to be noticed
>
>
>
> Too patient
>
> Passe
>
> Participatory
>
> Poem dies an electronic death
>
> No obituary
>
>
>
> Al Schirmacher
>
>
>
> (This was written after I asked a question on facebook about how many
> friends intentionally read poetry - only two admitted they did - and one of
> those was a Dr. Seuss fan)
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
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From bobgrumman  Tue Jun 22 15:16:20 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jun 22 15:16:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] After a Facebook Post, in light of Bob's post
In-Reply-To: <019901cb124c$860bdd10$2801a8c0@PASTORAL>
References: <019901cb124c$860bdd10$2801a8c0@PASTORAL>
Message-ID: <4C213860.3020909@nut-n-but.net>

Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote:
> Bob & all,
>  
> Ironically, jotted this down yesterday (yours looks much more upbeat; 
> congrats on the chapbook release):
>  
>
> Poem sneaks over the fence
>
> Rustles through the underbrush
>
> Hides underneath the sill
>
> Gradually raising the window, she
>
> Slips into the house
>
> Huddles in the corner
>
> Yet hopes to be noticed
>
>  
>
> Too patient
>
> Passe
>
> Participatory
>
> Poem dies an electronic death
>
> No obituary
>
>  
>
> Al Schirmacher
>
Interestingly like my Poem poems, Al.  Yeah, my poem is upbeat in a 
way.  And in your poem, "Poem" is a poem; in mine he isn't.  In my 
series, his identity is screwed-up: he began as a poem, but gradually 
became a participant in poetry.  I'm planning some poems in which he 
tries to figure out his identity.

--Bob
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From jforjames  Tue Jun 22 16:08:39 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 16:08:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Writing about the rethinking (poetics) conference
Message-ID: <8CCE06F5E7C8A41-4CC-1C37@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com>


http://swoonrocket.blogspot.com/2010/06/notes-for-talk-for-rethinking-poetics.html
I am interested in a paranoid sort of way about what this sort of impact this professionalization might have on community supported arts, which is what the sort of poetry that I am socially embedded within--I am talking about the specific cultural formation that we sometimes shorthand as the experimental poet or the outrider poet or the innovative poet--was once upon a time, back in the day, in the good old days, when I was young. 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8141204/REPOPORT%20SYOUNG.pdf
The MFA seems largely reviled at the conference, held up in certain
moments as an outside of professionalization,and overproduction
of degrees into a field with too-??

http://ululate.blogspot.com/2010/06/re-re-re-re.html
The grandes dames, at one point, seemed all to cluster together in the equivalent of box seats: Susan Howe, Joan Retallack, Rachel Blau du Plessis, Marjorie Perloff...
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From amyhappens  Tue Jun 22 18:17:22 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jun 22 18:17:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] How Servants Changed Emily Dickinson's Life and
	Language
In-Reply-To: <8CCE05BE380CB6B-147C-A9D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE05BE380CB6B-147C-A9D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <45197.12908.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

There is a similar book about Virginia Woolf's fear and loathing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100203010.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/01/imperfect-union/7221/



 ********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org

********




________________________________
From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Tue, June 22, 2010 3:54:41 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] How Servants Changed Emily Dickinson's Life and Language

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/american-life/Servants-Enhanced-Work-of-Renowned-American-Poet-96883084.html
 
When American poet Emily Dickinson wrote the lines, "I'm Nobody! Who are you? Are you ? Nobody ? too? Then there's a pair of us!", she might have been writing about the women and men who tended her kitchen hearth and household grounds in the quiet country town of Amherst, Massachusetts. 
 
Except that the 19th century poet, who yearned for privacy, became a famous "Somebody," while her maids and stablemen, gardeners and laundry workers were forgotten. But those "nobodies" ? long lost to history ? are about to be recognized for their contributions to American literature with the publication of "Maid as Muse: How Servants Changed Emily Dickinson's Life and Language."  


      
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jun 23 08:08:25 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jun 23 08:08:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [spidertangle] New Chapbook of Mine
In-Reply-To: <4C212F0D.5010201@nut-n-but.net>
References: <AANLkTimscEo8Ony5zbh4FoM_3y9U0LwnkGkNBJf-BsDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C211B2D.7090908@nut-n-but.net> <4C212F0D.5010201@nut-n-but.net>
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Congratulations. I think that a poet is a poem. We logically do not have
poets, but people who are sometimes poets.
They are also cabbages, taxes, cars, trains, coffees, meadows, water,
students, books, computers, phones, and hopefully for me today, swimming
poools,

have a nice day, Anny

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

>  2nd attempt properly to announce publication of a new chapbook of mine.
>
> Title: *Poem Demerging*.  $5 from Phrygian Press, 55-09 205th Street,
> Bayside NY 11364.  21 linguexpressive poems (i.e., poems that are
> linguistically expressive only) about my alter ego, Poem.
>
> Here's the opener, which I chose because it's among the most accessible of
> the poems in the collection, it quickly lets the reader know that Poem is a
> person, and I like it:
>
> *A Bicycle Ride*
>
> Heat-blurred, brittle,
> and crowded nearly numb
> by what seemed like
> a hundred drubbling obligations,
> Poem abruptly took off on his bike.
> For miles he rod,
> no destination in mind,
> or belief in the possibility of one.
>
> Finally, late in the afternoon,
> he came to a seaside lot
> as yet untouched by urban planning.
> there, as he drank in the fragments of harbor
> a wind-stirred scruffy clump of mangroves was rendering
> just-unsecret,
> his arrival began.
>
> Phyrgian Press is the one-man operation of Arnold Skemer.  It has published
> seven other chapbooks in the series mine is in.  They are by Arnold himself,
> Alan Catlin, Richard Kostelanetz, Leonard Cirino, Guy R. Beining, Geof Huth
> and Jon Cone.  Arnold has also published a $10 collection by Jonathan Hayes.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
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From jforjames  Wed Jun 23 08:26:06 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 23 08:26:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Longenbach reviews Lives Like Loaded Guns
Message-ID: <8CCE0F7FBB9A6A7-22BC-AA1A@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.thenation.com/article/ardor-and-abyss

"This is the only drama in Dickinson's life that's not of her making," says Lyndall Gordon in Lives Like Loaded Guns, her account not only of the life but of the afterlife of Emily Dickinson, an afterlife that continues to be shaped to this day by the internecine warfare within her immediate family, their progeny and their associates. The writer of the thank-you notes is Dickinson, infamous recluse, the author of some 1,775 poems, almost all of which remained unpublished until after her death. The adulterers are Austin Dickinson, her brother, and Mabel Loomis Todd, who first laid eyes on Dickinson only when she was lying in her coffin but who became the first editor of Dickinson's poems. Austin's spurned wife is Susan Gilbert Dickinson, with whom Dickinson shared 276 of her poems, including many of her greatest.

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From bobgrumman  Wed Jun 23 08:56:44 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed Jun 23 08:56:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [spidertangle] New Chapbook of Mine
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Thanks, Anny.

all best, Bob

From jforjames  Wed Jun 23 12:10:04 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 23 12:10:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Quickening Maze (novel),
	featuring Tennyson and Clare
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062204374.html

"The Quickening Maze" covers seven consecutive seasons, a structure that reflects Clare's close attention to the natural world. Disparate lines of the plot run through strange, loosely connected moments. We see the patients consumed with their own manias, such as Margaret, an anorexic preserving her body for Christ, or George, who believes he's solely responsible for the ever-growing national debt. (Where is George when we need him?) These are difficult characters because they're so easy to play for laughs or sentimentality, but Foulds conveys the profound loneliness of mental illness, the anxiety of being at least partially aware of one's own peculiarity. 

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From amyhappens  Wed Jun 23 14:47:07 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Wed Jun 23 14:47:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] POETS FOR LIVING WATERS -- NEW POEMS UP
Message-ID: <823068.3811.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

POETS FOR LIVING WATERS -- NEW POEMS UP http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ RIDING IT OUT BY GIANMARC MANZIONE TWO POEMS BY AMY WATKINS FORMER SANCTUARY BY PIA SEN TO THE MOTHER OF WATERS, TO WHOM WE NO LONGER PRAY BY MARGOT F. BOYER HAIKU AND TWO HAIBUN BY DONNA FLEISCHER THREE HAIKU BY MAYA PINDYCK TWO POEMS BY PHILIP MATTHEWS TWO POEMS BY MARGARET ROZGA TWO POEMS BY ANNY BALLARDINI THREE POEMS BY AMBER CLARK GLOBAL FUCK IT BY PATRICK JAMES DUNAGAN ENORMOUS MISTAKES BY TASHA COTTER PALLINODE BY WENDY BABIAK TWO POEMS BY JOSEPH HUTCHISON (SOMA)TIC POETRY EXERCISE & POEM BY CACONRAD DEAR SARAH PALIN, BY CAROLYN FOOTE EDELMANN THREE POEMS BY ALANA I. CAPRIA TWO POEMS BY CHRISTOPHER RIZZO TWO POEMS BY JEANNE MURRAY WALKER TWO POEMS BY BRENDA IIJIMA ARCTIC DRILLING BY LAURA ELRICK TWO POEMS BY JARED SCHICKLING TWO POEMS BY CARA BENSON TWO POEMS BY TESS TAYLOR DROWNING POEM BY PETER CICCARIELLO GULF COAST DREAMS BY M.J. FIEVRE AT LEAST 4 GALLONS PER SECOND
 + REVISION BY KAIA SAND TWO POEMS BY DEBORAH POE THREE POEMS BY MARK YAKICH DEAD ZONES BY MOLLIE DAY GULF WINDS BY LYLE DAGGETT TWO POEMS BY DEDA KAVANAGH SELECTIONS FROM CORSICA INSIDE THE DAUGHTERHOUSE BY PAIGE TAGGART **COMPLETE LIST OF POETS HERE -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/not-your-usual-media-coverage/ AND OF COURSE, ALL POSTS HERE --- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ Best, Amy & Heidi ********
Juice -
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html
+ http://www.pw.org/content/poets_take_action_in_wake_of_gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf-of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org ******** 


      

From jforjames  Wed Jun 23 18:46:33 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 23 18:46:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/wendell-berry-takes-back-his-papers/

Mr. Berry is living up to his own standards. The Lexington Herald-Leader reported on Wednesday that Mr. Berry decided in December to withdraw personal papers he had donated to the University of Kentucky, where he spent time as both a student and teacher. According to a letter obtained by the Lexington paper, Mr. Berry objected to a decision to name a basketball-players? dormitory the Wildcat Coal Lodge.

?The University?s president and board have solemnized an alliance with the coal industry, in return for a large monetary ?gift,? granting to the benefactors, in effect, a co-sponsorship of the University?s basketball team,? he wrote. ?That ? added to the ?Top 20? project and the president?s exclusive ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics ? puts an end to my willingness to be associated in any way officially with the University.?



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From david.weinstock  Wed Jun 23 20:02:48 2010
From: david.weinstock (David Weinstock)
Date: Wed Jun 23 20:02:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I have great respect for Wendell Berry. I wish him luck in achieving perfect
purity in his life and afterwards. But I wonder where exactly his papers are
going to go if they cannot go anywhere that has received money from anybody
who ever did anything he disapproves of.
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From anny.ballardini  Thu Jun 24 00:39:33 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jun 24 00:39:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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Unluckily David Weinstock's reasoning reflects the way it is.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:08 AM, David Weinstock
<david.weinstock at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have great respect for Wendell Berry. I wish him luck in achieving
> perfect purity in his life and afterwards. But I wonder where exactly his
> papers are going to go if they cannot go anywhere that has received money
> from anybody who ever did anything he disapproves of.
>
>
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
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From junction  Thu Jun 24 08:23:01 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Thu Jun 24 08:23:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I think Berry was responding to a particularly egregious case. Mining 
companies have been scraping the tops off mountains and dumping the 
detritus in streams, changing the topography of large hunks of the 
region Berry calls home forever, making it unfit for habitation by 
mammals, birds, fish, and most reptiles. Probably changes the insect 
balance, too. Call it ecocide.

Think of it this way. Suppose a big donor managed to get a special 
collection at Odious U. renamed the Jewhate library. Even though I 
know that Brown University was founded with money from the slave 
trade I'd rather place my papers there, and I wouldn't consider that 
I was condoning slavery.

Best,

Mark

At 10:08 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:
>I have great respect for Wendell Berry. I wish him luck in achieving 
>perfect purity in his life and afterwards. But I wonder where 
>exactly his papers are going to go if they cannot go anywhere that 
>has received money from anybody who ever did anything he disapproves of.
>
>
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Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University 
of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of 
Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so 
effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United 
States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in 
English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
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From jjeffreymail  Thu Jun 24 19:49:08 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jun 24 19:49:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.

John J





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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 8:52:37 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/wendell-berry-takes-back-his-papers/
 
Mr. Berry is living up to his own standards. The Lexington Herald-Leader reported on Wednesday that Mr. Berry decided in December to withdraw personal papers he had donated to the University of Kentucky, where he spent time as both a student and teacher. According to a letter obtained by the Lexington paper, Mr. Berry objected to a decision to name a basketball-players? dormitory the Wildcat Coal Lodge.
 
?The University?s president and board have solemnized an alliance with the coal industry, in return for a large monetary ?gift,? granting to the benefactors, in effect, a co-sponsorship of the University?s basketball team,? he wrote. ?That ? added to the ?Top 20? project and the president?s exclusive ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics ? puts an end to my willingness to be associated in any way officially with the University.?


      
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From grahamd  Thu Jun 24 20:53:24 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Thu Jun 24 20:53:24 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Nepotist
Message-ID: <CFEA5DB1-E318-4D0D-B0AD-EFDE1D2D7234@ripon.edu>

Here's an interesting online journal, The Nepotist:

http://www.thenepotist.org/page.cfm/f-a-q-s

The editor is anonymous, and says he or she only publishes friends.  Whoever this is has some fairly accomplished friends.  Whether contributors are in on the joke or not remains unclear to me (I'm a suspicious guy)--but they all claim not to know who The Nepotist is, and frequently the journal publishes whimsical speculations about the mystery editor written by the contributors.

Interesting how unsettling this kind of anonymity is.  

Does anyone remember a journal (I think it might have been Ploughshares) that published, probably 25 or 30 years ago, an issue in which every contributor's note explained the author's personal connection to the editor?  It was a real hoot.



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From anny.ballardini  Fri Jun 25 05:37:55 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri Jun 25 05:37:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Nepotist
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Steven Schroeder says:

*On the identity of The Nepotist:*
I have my ideas, but I don't want to spoil the fun if I'm right or be wrong
if I'm wrong, so I'll guess that you're Walt Whitman.



On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:

> Here's an interesting online journal, The Nepotist:
>
> http://www.thenepotist.org/page.cfm/f-a-q-s
>
> The editor is anonymous, and says he or she only publishes friends.
>  Whoever this is has some fairly accomplished friends.  Whether contributors
> are in on the joke or not remains unclear to me (I'm a suspicious guy)--but
> they all claim not to know who The Nepotist is, and frequently the journal
> publishes whimsical speculations about the mystery editor written by the
> contributors.
>
> Interesting how unsettling this kind of anonymity is.
>
> Does anyone remember a journal (I think it might have been Ploughshares)
> that published, probably 25 or 30 years ago, an issue in which every
> contributor's note explained the author's personal connection to the editor?
>  It was a real hoot.
>
>
>
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> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
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> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
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From newpoetry  Fri Jun 25 09:54:51 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Fri Jun 25 09:54:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 
 
On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.
> 
> John J
> 
> 
> From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 8:52:37 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
> 
> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/wendell-berry-takes-back-his-papers/
>  
> Mr. Berry is living up to his own standards. The Lexington Herald-Leader reported on Wednesday that Mr. Berry decided in December to withdraw personal papers he had donated to the University of Kentucky, where he spent time as both a student and teacher. According to a letter obtained by the Lexington paper, Mr. Berry objected to a decision to name a basketball-players? dormitory the Wildcat Coal Lodge.
>  
> ?The University?s president and board have solemnized an alliance with the coal industry, in return for a large monetary ?gift,? granting to the benefactors, in effect, a co-sponsorship of the University?s basketball team,? he wrote. ?That ? added to the ?Top 20? project and the president?s exclusive ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics ? puts an end to my willingness to be associated in any way officially with the University.?
>  
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From grahamd  Fri Jun 25 10:12:54 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Fri Jun 25 10:12:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.

But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).  

His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth pondering.

An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.  

I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."
 

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Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. 

            A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.

            But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.

            What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can.
 
 Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 
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On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:

> Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 
>  
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.
>> 
>> John J
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From newpoetry  Fri Jun 25 10:34:32 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Fri Jun 25 10:34:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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> 
> David, thank you for reminding me both of Berry's essay and of Carruth's poem, which is online here:   http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/on-being-asked-to-write-a-poem-against-the-war-i/

There's a line and stanza break, late in the poem, of a kind I usually don't like, but Carruth just breaks my heart. He's just made an impressive list of all the wars against which he's written poems, and says of their effectiveness

and not one
breath was restored
to one

shattered throat
mans womans or childs
not one not

one
but death went on and on
never looking aside

except now and then
with a furtive half-smile
to make sure I was noticing.

That "not one not / one / but death went on and on" is just astonishing, as is the last line.  
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From oedipa  Fri Jun 25 11:10:39 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Fri Jun 25 11:10:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I agree.  When I read this item, my first thought was "Good for him".  He's
intimately familiar with an area where lives and environments have
been devastated by "Coal: The Clean Energy" (I quote billboards I saw all
the way through Pennsylvania once).  Between mining disasters, entire towns
washed away by erosion based flooding, toxic levels in the water at all time
highs and mountaintop after mountaintop shaved off in the name of these
mines, I would have been surprised and disappointed if he hadn't voted with
his feet.  Coal companies have a long history of buying towns, devestating
them and moving on.  What does it say when we start to allow that to creep
into a university then?

I think complacency may not be the best thing these days.  Can you imagine a
New Orleans writer like him leaving his papers in a university that started
naming its dorms after British Petroleum?

k

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Mike Snider <newpoetry at mikesnider.org>wrote:

> Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental
> activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The
> University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and
> possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's
> actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly
> 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful
> and specific about those terms.
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and
> then... "undonates" it.
>
> John J
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
> *To:* <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Sent:* Wed, June 23, 2010 8:52:37 PM
> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
>
> <http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/wendell-berry-takes-back-his-papers/>
> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/wendell-berry-takes-back-his-papers/
>
> Mr. Berry is living up to his own standards. The Lexington Herald-Leader
> reported on Wednesday that Mr. Berry decided in December to withdraw
> personal papers he had donated to the University of Kentucky, where he spent
> time as both a student and teacher. According to a letter obtained by the
> Lexington paper, Mr. Berry objected to a decision to name a
> basketball-players? dormitory the Wildcat Coal Lodge.
>
> ?The University?s president and board have solemnized an alliance with the
> coal industry, in return for a large monetary ?gift,? granting to the
> benefactors, in effect, a co-sponsorship of the University?s basketball
> team,? he wrote. ?That ? added to the ?Top 20? project and the president?s
> exclusive ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics ?
> puts an end to my willingness to be associated in any way officially with
> the University.?
>
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From amyhappens  Fri Jun 25 12:59:18 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Fri Jun 25 12:59:18 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] 
	TONIGHT --  James Belflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor,
	Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short & Wendy Wisner
Message-ID: <811026.53744.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Stain of Poetry

 ~ James Belflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor, Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short & Wendy Wisner ~

                            
June 25th, Friday @ Goodbye Blue  Monday ? Bushwick, Brooklyn


James Belflower is the author of Commuter (Instance Press) and And Also a Fountain, (NeOpepper Press) a collaborative echap with Anne Heide 
and  J. Michael Martinez. Commuter was recently voted the 2009 ?Best Book  Length Long Poem/Sequence by ColdFront magazine. He  curates PotLatchpoetry.org, a website dedicated to the gifting and  exchange of poetry resources. He received a BA in music composition from  Arizona State University before attending the University of Colorado,  Boulder, for his M.A. in Creative Writing. Belflower currently resides  in New York and is pursuing a PhD in poetics at SUNY Albany.

~

Claire Hero is the  author of Sing, Mongrel(Noemi Press 2009) and  two chapbooks: afterpastures, winner of the 2007 Caketrain  Chapbook Competition, and Cabinet (dancing girl press).  She lives in upstate New York.

~

Shelly Taylor is the author of two poetry chapbooks, Peaches the  Yes-Girl (Portable Press of Yo-Yo Labs, 2008) & Land Wide  to Get a Hold Lost In (Dancing Girl Press, 2009). Black-Eyed Heifer(Tarpaulin Sky Press, May 2010) is her first  full collection. Born in southern Georgia, she currently resides in Tucson, Arizona.

~

Matthew Thorburn is the author of a book of poems, Subject to Change, and  a chapbook, the long poem Disappears in the Rain. He is the recipient of a 2008 Witter Bynner Fellowship from the Library of Congress. Currently, he?s working on two new book projects: Every Possible Blue, a collection of poems about artists and  their work, and Snow in Early Spring, a series of poems set in China, Iceland and Japan. He lives in The Bronx and works as a marketing manager for an international law firm.

~

Kim Gek Lin Short is the author of The  Bugging Watch & Other Exhibits and the forthcoming China Cowboy, both from Tarpaulin  Sky Press. Her chapbooks include The Residents (dancing girl press) and Run (Rope-a-Dope). She lives in Philadelphia with her family.

~


Wendy Wisner?s first book of poems, Epicenter, was published by CW Books in 2004. Her poems have appeared in The Spoon River Review, Rhino, Natural Bridge, The Bellevue Literary Review, online at Verse Daily, and elsewhere.  Wendy previously taught writing and literature at Hunter College, and is now an at-home mom to her two-year-old son. Visit Wendy on the web at www.wendywisner.com.


at
Goodbye Blue Monday
1087 Broadway
(corner of Dodworth St)
Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343
J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave

or J train to Kosciusko St

~

Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi?
http://stainofpoetry.com/





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Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-poetry-feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/poets_take_action_in_wake_of_gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf-of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org

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From editor  Fri Jun 25 13:21:21 2010
From: editor (David Baratier)
Date: Fri Jun 25 13:21:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: wendell berry
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I'd like to recommend Harlan Hubbard whose prose Berry stole endlessly from. Any of his three official novels Payne Hollow, Shantyboat, or Shantyboat on the Bayous are wonderful. He was an extreme environmentalist, in fact he and his wife renounced money and turned the hippy movement onto non-cash simplicity many decades ago. 



Be well

David Baratier, Editor

Pavement Saw Press
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Montpelier OH 43543
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From jeff.newberry  Fri Jun 25 13:46:12 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Fri Jun 25 13:46:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: wendell berry
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Yes indeed, and Berry is the author of a kind of literary biography of
Hubbard, as well:

http://www.amazon.com/Harlan-Hubbard-Life-Blazer-Lectures/dp/0813109426/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277495421&sr=1-3

Jeff Newberry

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, David Baratier <editor at pavementsaw.org>wrote:

> I'd like to recommend Harlan Hubbard whose prose Berry stole endlessly
> from. Any of his three official novels Payne Hollow, Shantyboat, or
> Shantyboat on the Bayous are wonderful. He was an extreme environmentalist,
> in fact he and his wife renounced money and turned the hippy movement onto
> non-cash simplicity many decades ago.
>
>
>
> Be well
>
> David Baratier, Editor
>
> Pavement Saw Press
> 321 Empire Street
> Montpelier OH 43543
> http://pavementsaw.org
>
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From david.weinstock  Fri Jun 25 19:32:45 2010
From: david.weinstock (David Weinstock)
Date: Fri Jun 25 19:32:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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Funny you should mention BP just now, it's  a hot topic around here. My wife
is working as a "loaned executive" for an environmental nonprofit. A
subsidiary of BP has given large amounts of money to the group, and a
Washington Post article recently named her organization and a dozen other
environmental NGOs as having taken money from BP. The strong implication of
the article was that they had compromised themselves by accepting money from
BP.

My wife's group is doing some good in the world, and with more money could
do more good. Why would it be any better if BP kept every cent for itself
and its shareholders? Why would it be any better if Kentucky's biggest
industry stiffed its university? I don't get it.
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From jjeffreymail  Fri Jun 25 20:19:38 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Fri Jun 25 20:19:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."

Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!

Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.

John J




________________________________
From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK

I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.

But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).  

His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth pondering.

An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.  


I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to
Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam." 


--------
Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. 

            A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.

            But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.

            What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can.
 
 Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 
-------------





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On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:

Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 
> 
>
>On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.
>>
>>John J
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From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Fri Jun 25 20:38:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I, at least, am not arguing that Berry was right or wrong to do what he did ? that's beyond my pay grade ? but that his action is consistent with his teaching, his writing, and his life. 


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2010, at 22:26, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
> 
> Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
> 
> Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
> 
> John J 
> 
> From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
> 
> I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.
> 
> But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).  
> 
> His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth pondering.
> 
> An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.  
> 
> I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."
>  
> 
> --------
> Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. 
> 
>             A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
> 
>             But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.
> 
>             What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can.
>  
>  Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 
> -------------
> 
> 
> 
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
> 
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
> 
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
> 
>> Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 
>>  
>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.
>>> 
>>> John J
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From millb  Fri Jun 25 23:37:46 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Fri Jun 25 23:37:46 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Raga for the Full Moon
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Greetings!

One of my poems is featured at Poetry Friday in celebration of the soon-to-come full moon after the summer solstice.  Please leave a comment if you can!

 http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-a-full-moon-raga-from-millicent-borges-accardi.htm

Thanks,

Mill
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From grahamd  Sat Jun 26 09:44:26 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Sat Jun 26 09:44:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:

> I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
=================

You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable others, about whether "the politics of his stance" can be divorced from his actions.

But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have an opinion, but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and unlikely to change anyone's mind.

I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime of writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, challenging, and well considered.  So when I read the current headline I assumed that he had his reasons, and that anyone who wished to judge him would be well advised to get beyond a news report in order to do so.


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:

> I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
> 
> Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
> 
> Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
> 
> John J 
> 
> From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
> 
> I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.
> 
> But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).  
> 
> His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth pondering.
> 
> An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.  
> 
> I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."
>  
> 
> --------
> Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. 
> 
>             A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
> 
>             But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.
> 
>             What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can.
>  
>  Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 
> -------------
> 
> 
> 
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
> 
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
> 
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
> 
>> Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 
>>  
>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.
>>> 
>>> John J
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
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From newpoetry  Sat Jun 26 11:36:02 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Sat Jun 26 11:36:02 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Raga for the Full Moon
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Congratulations, Millicent!

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 26, 2010, at 1:44, Millicent <millb at aol.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>  
> One of my poems is featured at Poetry Friday in celebration of the soon-to-come full moon after the summer solstice.  Please leave a comment if you can!
>  
>  http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-a-full-moon-raga-from-millicent-borges-accardi.htm
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mill
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From Opus40-01  Sat Jun 26 11:48:57 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat Jun 26 11:48:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Raga for the Full Moon
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I left my comment on the site, but isn't it great that Mill is getting 
this well-deserved recognition?

Mike Snider wrote:
> Congratulations, Millicent!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 26, 2010, at 1:44, Millicent <millb at aol.com 
> <mailto:millb at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>  
>> One of my poems is featured at Poetry Friday in celebration of the 
>> soon-to-come full moon after the summer solstice.  Please leave a 
>> comment if you can!
>>  
>>  http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-a-full-moon-raga-from-millicent-borges-accardi.htm 
>> <http://womensvoicesforchange.org/poetry-friday-a-full-moon-raga-from-millicent-borges-accardi.htm>
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Mill
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From amyhappens  Sat Jun 26 12:05:37 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Sat Jun 26 12:05:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] June Jordan poem up @ Poets for Living Waters
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Thought folks might be interested -- 

Poem for Nana @ http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/poem-for-nana-by-june-jordan/

And 

David Wolach -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/three-poems-by-david-wolach/

Jason Quackenbush -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/two-poems-by-jason-quackenbush/

Jules Boykoff -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/we-care-about-the-small-people-by-jules-boykoff/

+ more @ http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/


Best,

Amy

 
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+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
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From dina.eylon  Sat Jun 26 13:20:00 2010
From: dina.eylon (Dr. Dina Ripsman Eylon)
Date: Sat Jun 26 13:20:00 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Chapbook by Sisterhood Press
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In the Heart of the City                                   
 
Poems by Dina Ripsman Eylon
 
Thornhill, ON: Sisterhood Press, 2010.
ISBN 978-0-9688949-1-0 [Loose-leaf, handmade, limited edition]
Book Design by Talia Eylon
Email: sisterhoodpress at gmail.com
Website: http://sisterhoodpress.blogspot.com
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From oedipa  Sat Jun 26 21:20:14 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Sat Jun 26 21:20:14 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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Well put.  I was going to respond in similar fashion, but figured it was
pointless to do so....  Thanks for doing it for me.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
> I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics
> of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the
> politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he
> attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching
> there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift
> of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
>
> =================
>
> You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable others, about
> whether "the politics of his stance" can be divorced from his actions.
>
> But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have an opinion,
> but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and unlikely to change
> anyone's mind.
>
> I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of
> matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime of
> writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, challenging, and well
> considered.  So when I read the current headline I assumed that he had his
> reasons, and that anyone who wished to judge him would be well advised to
> get beyond a news report in order to do so.
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
> I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics
> of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the
> politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he
> attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching
> there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift
> of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
>
> Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the
> companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the
> school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and
> mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
>
> Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
>
> John J
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
> I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches
> than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and
> certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters,
> which I can guarantee would be well considered.
>
> But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite
> pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his
> poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).
>
> His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and
> dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth
> pondering.
>
> An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope,"
> is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the
> usefulness of political protest generally.
>
> I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the
> current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested,
> the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem
> Against the War in Vietnam."
>
>
> --------
> Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs
> and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out
> longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success
> is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be
> little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too
> little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that
> endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public
> success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and
> spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence.
>
>             A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the
> impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the
> likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I
> take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and
> protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music
> of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the
> inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily
> more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could
> not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
>
>             But something more is involved that is even harder to talk
> about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that
> suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice
> of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot
> know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to
> the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this,
> but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those
> dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering.
> Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and
> sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough
> despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden,
> when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry
> about that.
>
>             What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will
> be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere
> protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its
> face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source
> is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and
> the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem
> preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it
> shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we
> will help when we can.
>
>  Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990).
> -------------
>
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
>
> Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental
> activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The
> University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and
> possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's
> actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly
> 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful
> and specific about those terms.
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and
> then... "undonates" it.
>
> John J
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From junction  Sat Jun 26 21:48:05 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sat Jun 26 21:48:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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We don't know the details, but he apparently didn't donate his 
papers. If he had, he couldn't withdraw them unless the university 
allowed. He probably merely housed his papers at the university, 
which means he retained full rights to them and could control access, 
and also could take them back as he saw fit. It's not an unusual 
arrangement. The author retains control and access, frees space in 
his house, and usually wills the papers to the university, sometimes 
pending a payment to his heirs. The heirs save a ton on inheritance taxes.

Seems a strange thing for folks on the list to get upset about.

At 11:26 PM 6/26/2010, you wrote:
>Well put.  I was going to respond in similar fashion, but figured it 
>was pointless to do so....  Thanks for doing it for me.
>
>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, David Graham 
><<mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:
>
>
>On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>>I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the 
>>politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, 
>>outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a 
>>University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned 
>>the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he 
>>thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, 
>>too, must have been "well considered."
>=================
>
>You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable others, 
>about whether "the politics of his stance" can be divorced from his actions.
>
>But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have an 
>opinion, but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and 
>unlikely to change anyone's mind.
>
>I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of 
>matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime 
>of writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, 
>challenging, and well considered.  So when I read the current 
>headline I assumed that he had his reasons, and that anyone who 
>wished to judge him would be well advised to get beyond a news 
>report in order to do so.
>
>
>========================================
>David Graham
><mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>grahamd at ripon.edu
>
>Home Page:
><http://web.me.com/drjazz>http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
>Poetry Library:
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>
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>
>On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>>I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the 
>>politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, 
>>outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a 
>>University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned 
>>the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he 
>>thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, 
>>too, must have been "well considered."
>>
>>Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) 
>>of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like 
>>one of the school's new campaigns--a 'focus' on science, 
>>technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
>>
>>Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
>>
>>John J
>>
>>
>>From: David Graham <<mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>grahamd at ripon.edu>
>>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" 
>><<mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
>>Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>>
>>I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he 
>>preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to 
>>cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself 
>>had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.
>>
>>But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my 
>>favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his 
>>talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).
>>
>>His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close 
>>by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is 
>>endlessly worth pondering.
>>
>>An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult 
>>Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry 
>>reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.
>>
>>I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely 
>>with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If 
>>you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On 
>>Being Asked to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."
>>
>>
>>--------
>>Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and 
>>despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. 
>>Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because 
>>they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If 
>>protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of 
>>any durability or significance. History simply affords too little 
>>evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest 
>>that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that 
>>of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in 
>>one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence.
>>
>>             A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the 
>> impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but 
>> the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further 
>> destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities 
>> of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up 
>> this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem 
>> that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty 
>> of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a 
>> protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not 
>> be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
>>
>>             But something more is involved that is even harder to 
>> talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is 
>> the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It 
>> seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope 
>> exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without 
>> knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent 
>> that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, 
>> but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification 
>> to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by 
>> causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have 
>> supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope 
>> and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. 
>> And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there 
>> was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.
>>
>>             What we do need to worry about is the possibility that 
>> we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to 
>> silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem 
>> against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the 
>> reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of 
>> resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is 
>> the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem 
>> preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his 
>> despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help 
>> if we could means that we will help when we can.
>>
>>  Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990).
>>-------------
>>
>>
>>
>>========================================
>>David Graham
>><mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>grahamd at ripon.edu
>>
>>Home Page:
>><http://web.me.com/drjazz>http://web.me.com/drjazz
>>
>>Poetry Library:
>><http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html>http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
>>==========================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
>>
>>>Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an 
>>>environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural 
>>>lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been 
>>>very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were 
>>>placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the 
>>>terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I 
>>>would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and 
>>>specific about those terms.
>>>
>>>On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey 
>>><<mailto:jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>jjeffreymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a 
>>>>gift and then... "undonates" it.
>>>>
>>>>John J
>>>>
>>
>>
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From nic_sebastian  Sun Jun 27 00:36:23 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Sun Jun 27 00:36:23 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Ron Silliman
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It's all accessibly archived on the standing page, so you can get caught up at your leisure, Mike. Good to hear from you!
Best, Nic

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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology: Ron Silliman
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:17:47 -0400

Glad you're keeping this going, Nic.
Maybe I'll get caught up soon.

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Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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I'm not upset about it.  (I hope no one else is.)  I just get annoyed at people who make a point of publicly stating (preaching?) that there should not be a difference between "what we think and what we do."  Everyone has contradictions and inconsistencies in their life, and I like to point out the inconsistencies in the 
lives of the preachers, no matter what their message.  Didn't most of us think, Serves ya right, when Swaggart got caught?

Berry accepted a Guggenheim smelting and mining fellowship.  And a Rockefeller gas an oil fellowship.  And I bet he wouldn't turn down a Nobel mining and armaments award.  But wait!  Maybe if UK, years later, does good things with the coal money, then it'll be okay?

I'll stop preachin' now.  The sun's out.





________________________________
From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 11:54:40 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK

We don't know the details, but he apparently didn't donate his papers. If
he had, he couldn't withdraw them unless the university allowed. He
probably merely housed his papers at the university, which means he
retained full rights to them and could control access, and also could
take them back as he saw fit. It's not an unusual arrangement. The author
retains control and access, frees space in his house, and usually wills
the papers to the university, sometimes pending a payment to his heirs.
The heirs save a ton on inheritance taxes.

Seems a strange thing for folks on the list to get upset about.

At 11:26 PM 6/26/2010, you wrote:

Well put.  I was going to
>respond in similar fashion, but figured it was pointless to do
>so....  Thanks for doing it for me.
>
>>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, David Graham
><grahamd at ripon.edu>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>
>I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the
>>politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions,
>>outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a
>>University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the
>>money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought
>>well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too,
>>must have been "well considered."
>=================
>
>
>You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable
>others, about whether "the politics of his stance" can be
>divorced from his actions.
>
>
>But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have
>an opinion, but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and
>unlikely to change anyone's mind.
>
>
>I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of
>matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime of
>writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, challenging, and
>well considered.  So when I read the current headline I assumed that
>he had his reasons, and that anyone who wished to judge him would be well
>advised to get beyond a news report in order to do so.
>
>
>
>========================================
>
>David Graham
>
>grahamd at ripon.edu
>
>
>Home Page:
>
>http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
>
>Poetry Library:
>
>http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
>
>==========================================
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>
>I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the
>>politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions,
>>outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a
>>University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the
>>money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought
>>well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too,
>>must have been "well considered."
>>
>>
>>Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm
>>sure) of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't
>>like one of the school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on
>>science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. 
>>Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
>>
>>
>>Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
>>
>>
>>John J 
>>
>>
>>
>>From: David Graham
>><grahamd at ripon.edu>
>>
>>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;
>>Views"
>><>>new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>
>>Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
>>
>>Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from
>>UK
>>
>>
>>I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he
>>preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to
>>cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to
>>say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.
>>
>>
>>But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my
>>favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his
>>talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his
>>novels).  
>>
>>
>>His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close
>>by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is
>>endlessly worth pondering.
>>
>>
>>An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of
>>Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in
>>that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest
>>generally.  
>>
>>
>>I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with
>>the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're
>>interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked
>>to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>--------
>>
>>Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and
>>despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who
>>hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood
>>that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then
>>there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History
>>simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of
>>any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more
>>modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving
>>qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by
>>acquiescence. 
>>
>>
>>            A
>>protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of
>>restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it
>>will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply
>>one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr.
>>Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes
>>a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable,
>>modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a
>>protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be
>>saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
>>
>>
>>           
>>But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because
>>it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering
>>plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our
>>despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know
>>of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the
>>extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this,
>>but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to
>>those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing
>>suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate
>>despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will
>>always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the
>>spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and
>>sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.
>>
>>
>>           
>>What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be
>>reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere
>>protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its
>>face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its
>>source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the
>>poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry,
>>the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his
>>despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we
>>could means that we will help when we can.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult
>>Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 
>>
>>-------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>========================================
>>
>>David Graham
>>
>>grahamd at ripon.edu
>>
>>
>>Home Page:
>>
>>http://web.me.com/drjazz
>>
>>
>>Poetry Library:
>>
>>>>http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
>>
>>==========================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
>>
>>
>>Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental
>>>activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The
>>>University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and
>>>possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's
>>>actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him
>>>slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been
>>>very careful and specific about those terms. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey
>>><jjeffreymail at yahoo.com >>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift
>>>>and then... "undonates" it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John J
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun Jun 27 14:55:23 2010
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*1 *



*EXHIBITION EXTENDED!!!*



*ALGIERS*: Photographs

Jean-Pierre Hautecoeur

Charles Martin



THE INTERNATIONAL CENTER

50 W 23rd St. (between 5th and 6th Avenues)

7th Floor

New York, NY 10010



Subway: R/F to 23rd Street



Exhibition: NOW *UNTIL JULY 29* (FREE)



Monday to Thursday: 11 AM-8 PM

Friday: 11 AM-7 PM

Saturday: 9:30 AM-3:30 PM

Sunday: Closed





Algiers, in more than 30 photographs, is southern Mediterranean, North
African, Berber, Arabic, French, religious, secular, post-colonial,
bustling, intimate, architectural, organic. Jean-Pierre Hautecouer spent
from 2004-2007 in the city and lived in the old sector, the casbah. Charles
Martin visited Algiers during the summer, 2009, a guest of the Algerian
Ministry of Culture for the 2nd Pan African Festival (PANAF 2009) of
Algiers. He contributed photographs and an essay to the current issue of the
New York University journal *Black Renaissance* *Noire* (10.1, Spring 2010).
Hautecoeur?s photographs are part of a global work incorporated into a film
co-directed with the French journalist Anne Cazal?s in 2007.



The casbah can be thought of as a ?town inside a city? with codes and
rituals of its own. Its singular way of life emanates from cool patios,
gardens with fountains, jasmine and precious architecture in old Muslim and
Turkish houses, hammams (steam baths), collective living, sharing, and a
high art of caf? conversation that takes pleasure in argument and humor,
alike. UNESCO has registered this section of Algiers as elemental to world
heritage. Even so, the casbah faces social crisis as it has become a place
where the impoverished come to live, unable to rent housing elsewhere. Today
the casbah is almost in ruins in parts and without clear leadership to
resolve its issues. At the same time, Algiers is a modern, prosperous city,
sprawling and doing business with the continent and much of the world.



Biography

*Jean-Pierre Hautec?ur*

Jean-Pierre Hautec?ur was born in 1959 in Rennes (Brittany) France. Painter,
sculptor and photographer, he holds a diploma from the Art School Les Beaux
Arts of Rennes (1979). After graduating, he studied decorative arts and
crafts in Paris at the famous Ecole Boulle.  Subsequently he worked some
years as a decorator for the Rennes Opera and in 1988 entered the Louis
Lumiere school in Paris, dedicated to cinema, art form and art movies in
France. He graduated three years later as a director of photography and
worked on various feature-length and short movies, publicity and advertising
in France, South Africa, Algeria and Mongolia. He has worked in the last ten
years with directors such as Emir Kusturica and Philippe de Broca. At the
same time, he carries out personal work in documentaries and photography. As
a reporter he works for the French press and news magazines (VSD, PRISMA
Group). This two-person show is Hautecoeur?s first exhibition in New York.





*Charles Martin*

Charles Martin is a photographer, digital filmmaker and Chair/Associate
Professor of Comparative Literature at Queens College-City University of New
York. Represented by the June Kelly Gallery, his photography is part of
collections including the Museum of Modern Art (New York). He was curator of
photography for the Portuguese Language website at Yale University, he has
been Artist in Residence at the Center for Photography at Woodstock and
received grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Research
Foundation of the City University of New York, the Rockefeller Foundation,
the Tinker Foundation (for research in Brazil), West Virginia University and
Yale University. Martin received a B.A. in English (1974) and Ph.D. in
Spanish and Portuguese (1988) from Yale University, and has worked as a news
reporter and feature writer, and as editor of the newsletter of the Eugene
O?Neill Memorial Theater Center, Waterford, CT, under the direction of the
late Lloyd Richards. Raised in Yeadon, Pennsylvania, Martin began taking
photographs as a child and learned to print in his father?s basement
darkroom.





-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
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star!
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From jforjames  Sun Jun 27 17:21:18 2010
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Date: Sun Jun 27 17:21:18 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Nepotist
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In the poetry world the rule of 6-degrees of seperation is reduced to 2 or 3, don't you think?


Jim Finnegan
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Here's an interesting online journal, The Nepotist:


http://www.thenepotist.org/page.cfm/f-a-q-s


The editor is anonymous, and says he or she only publishes friends.  Whoever this is has some fairly accomplished friends.  Whether contributors are in on the joke or not remains unclear to me (I'm a suspicious guy)--but they all claim not to know who The Nepotist is, and frequently the journal publishes whimsical speculations about the mystery editor written by the contributors.


Interesting how unsettling this kind of anonymity is.  


Does anyone remember a journal (I think it might have been Ploughshares) that published, probably 25 or 30 years ago, an issue in which every contributor's note explained the author's personal connection to the editor?  It was a real hoot.






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From jforjames  Sun Jun 27 17:29:48 2010
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Date: Sun Jun 27 17:29:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ponsot's stroke
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/nyregion/27about.html
JIM DWYER
Published: June 25, 2010

Unable to sleep, the poet Marie Ponsot lay in a hospital bed one night last month trying to figure out what it was that she no longer knew. A few days earlier, she?d had a stroke. Her brain had been ransacked. Poems that she had been reciting from memory for the better part of a century had disappeared. She cross-examined herself: What, she asked, have I lost? 



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From c.a.b.daly  Sun Jun 27 17:49:52 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Sun Jun 27 17:49:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ponsot's stroke
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One of the first decent poetry-related things that happened to me in LA was
the visit of Marie Ponsot, just after The Bird Catcher came out.  She had
just retired from Queens College (note she works for the former Kings'), and
this was before she had a bad fall at AWP.

Lively, practical, formerly tough:  the things she quoted from memory then
weren't that spectacular to me, but they were magical to me because the
things she recalled were so much like her own work -- the memory / influence
circularity.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:36 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/nyregion/27about.html
> JIM DWYER
> Published: June 25, 2010
>
> Unable to sleep, the poet Marie Ponsot lay in a hospital bed one night last
> month trying to figure out what it was that she no longer knew. A few days
> earlier, she?d had a stroke. Her brain had been ransacked. Poems that she
> had been reciting from memory for the better part of a century had
> disappeared. She cross-examined herself: What, she asked, have I lost?
>
>

-- 
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From jforjames  Sun Jun 27 18:20:07 2010
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To a point, I understand what you're saying. In a certain sense all of us (Berry not excepted) are complicitous (in coal, in BP, in almost every environmental or socio-political catastrophe). But I don't think that entirely takes away from certain 'acts of protest or conscience' by those in position to get noticed for the act. I'm sure on several places on UK website you could find some reference to 'Wendell Berry'; his name & association matters to the institution, and thus Berry is in the position to do something about a university relationship to Big Coal he found too cozy. You and I are not in that position.

Science, math, research, etc., are neutral terms. I'm sure Berry is not against them. But science, math, research can be deployed to various purposes. In Rhode Island, where I spend time in the summer, I live next to man who invented a device that can sense the pulse of the human heart through concrete walls and across great distances, even within a forest. It can been deployed to hear an earthquake-trapped victim's heart or an enemy soldier's heart.

Finnegan


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I'm not upset about it.  (I hope no one else is.)  I just get annoyed at people who make a point of publicly stating (preaching?) that there should not be a difference between "what we think and what we do."  Everyone has contradictions and inconsistencies in their life, and I like to point out the inconsistencies in the lives of the preachers, no matter what their message.  Didn't most of us think, Serves ya right, when Swaggart got caught?

Berry accepted a Guggenheim smelting and mining fellowship.  And a Rockefeller gas an oil fellowship.  And I bet he wouldn't turn down a Nobel mining and armaments award.  But wait!  Maybe if UK, years later, does good things with the coal money, then it'll be okay?

I'll stop preachin' now.  The sun's out.




From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 11:54:40 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK

We don't know the details, but he apparently didn't donate his papers. If he had, he couldn't withdraw them unless the university allowed. He probably merely housed his papers at the university, which means he retained full rights to them and could control access, and also could take them back as he saw fit. It's not an unusual arrangement. The author retains control and access, frees space in his house, and usually wills the papers to the university, sometimes pending a payment to his heirs. The heirs save a ton on inheritance taxes.

Seems a strange thing for folks on the list to get upset about.

At 11:26 PM 6/26/2010, you wrote:

Well put.  I was going to respond in similar fashion, but figured it was pointless to do so....  Thanks for doing it for me.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:




On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:


I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."

=================


You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable others, about whether "the politics of his stance" can be divorced from his actions.


But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have an opinion, but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and unlikely to change anyone's mind.


I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime of writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, challenging, and well considered.  So when I read the current headline I assumed that he had his reasons, and that anyone who wished to judge him would be well advised to get beyond a news report in order to do so.



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On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:


I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."


Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!


Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.


John J 



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Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM

Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK


I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters, which I can guarantee would be well considered.


But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).  


His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by, and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth pondering.


An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects on the usefulness of political protest generally.  


I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested, the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem Against the War in Vietnam."

 


--------

Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. 


            A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.


            But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that.


            What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can.

 

 Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 

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On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:


Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful and specific about those terms. 

 

On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com > wrote:


I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and then... "undonates" it.


John J






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From oedipa  Sun Jun 27 18:38:32 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Sun Jun 27 18:38:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
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Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not participated
mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of becoming
discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for once....
 And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark, David,
etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.

k

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> To a point, I understand what you're saying. In a certain sense all of us
> (Berry not excepted) are complicitous (in coal, in BP, in almost every
> environmental or socio-political catastrophe). But I don't think that
> entirely takes away from certain 'acts of protest or conscience' by those in
> position to get noticed for the act. I'm sure on several places on UK
> website you could find some reference to 'Wendell Berry'; his name &
> association matters to the institution, and thus Berry is in the position to
> do something about a university relationship to Big Coal he found too cozy.
> You and I are not in that position.
>
> Science, math, research, etc., are neutral terms. I'm sure Berry is not
> against them. But science, math, research can be deployed to various
> purposes. In Rhode Island, where I spend time in the summer, I live next to
> man who invented a device that can sense the pulse of the human heart
> through concrete walls and across great distances, even within a forest. It
> can been deployed to hear an earthquake-trapped victim's heart or an enemy
> soldier's heart.
>
> Finnegan
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:12 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
>  I'm not upset about it.  (I hope no one else is.)  I just get annoyed at
> people who make a point of publicly stating (preaching?) that there should
> not be a difference between "what we think and what we do."  Everyone has
> contradictions and inconsistencies in their life, and I like to point out
> the inconsistencies in the lives of the preachers, no matter what their
> message.  Didn't most of us think, Serves ya right, when Swaggart got
> caught?
>
> Berry accepted a Guggenheim smelting and mining fellowship.  And a
> Rockefeller gas an oil fellowship.  And I bet he wouldn't turn down a Nobel
> mining and armaments award.  But wait!  Maybe if UK, years later, does good
> things with the coal money, then it'll be okay?
>
> I'll stop preachin' now.  The sun's out.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 11:54:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
> We don't know the details, but he apparently didn't donate his papers. If
> he had, he couldn't withdraw them unless the university allowed. He probably
> merely housed his papers at the university, which means he retained full
> rights to them and could control access, and also could take them back as he
> saw fit. It's not an unusual arrangement. The author retains control and
> access, frees space in his house, and usually wills the papers to the
> university, sometimes pending a payment to his heirs. The heirs save a ton
> on inheritance taxes.
>
> Seems a strange thing for folks on the list to get upset about.
>
> At 11:26 PM 6/26/2010, you wrote:
>
> Well put.  I was going to respond in similar fashion, but figured it was
> pointless to do so....  Thanks for doing it for me.
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>  I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the
> politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the
> politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he
> attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching
> there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift
> of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
>
> =================
>
>  You might get an argument, from Berry himself & innumerable others, about
> whether "the politics of his stance" can be divorced from his actions.
>
>  But you won't get that argument from me.  Not that I don't have an
> opinion, but I'm fairly tired of that particular argument, and unlikely to
> change anyone's mind.
>
>  I would just reiterate that Berry's thinking about all sorts of
> matters--including politics, of course--as expressed in a lifetime of
> writing, has always impressed me as nuanced, complex, challenging, and well
> considered.  So when I read the current headline I assumed that he had his
> reasons, and that anyone who wished to judge him would be well advised to
> get beyond a news report in order to do so.
>
>
>  ========================================
>  David Graham
>  grahamd at ripon.edu
>
>  Home Page:
>  http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
>  Poetry Library:
>  http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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>
>
>
>
>  On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, John Jeffrey wrote:
>
>  I suspect you support him in large part because you agree with the
> politics of his stance.  I am merely commenting on his actions, outside the
> politics.  He made a donation to the University, a University that he
> attended and taught at (I wonder if he returned the money he made teaching
> there, too?), and a University that he thought well enough of to make a gift
> of his papers.  The donation, too, must have been "well considered."
>
>  Then he pulled them.  Cause he didn't like one (of many, I'm sure) of the
> companies donating monies to the school.  And he didn't like one of the
> school's new campaigns--a ?focus? on science, technology, engineering, and
> mathematics.  Science?  Math?  Heaven forbid!
>
>  Sounds a bit dramatic to me is all.
>
>  John J
>
>
>  From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
>  To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >
>  Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 12:19:25 PM
>  Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
>  I'm with Mike.  Wendell Berry comes closer to practicing what he preaches
> than just about anyone I can think of.  I'm not about to cast a stone, and
> certainly not before I read what Berry himself had to say about matters,
> which I can guarantee would be well considered.
>
>  But mostly I want to take this opportunity to recommend two of my
> favorite pieces of Berry's prose.  I've always thought he puts his talent
> into his poetry, his genius into his essays (haven't read his novels).
>
>  His collection *Standing By Words* is one of the books I keep close by,
> and dip into frequently.  The title essay especially is endlessly worth
> pondering.
>
>  An essay he wrote on a poem by Hayden Carruth, "A Poem of Difficult
> Hope," is probably relevant to the current situation, in that Berry reflects
> on the usefulness of political protest generally.
>
>  I've quote from this essay before, but since it dovetails nicely with the
> current discussion, here again is a lengthy excerpt.  If you're interested,
> the Carruth poem he discusses is titled "On Being Asked to Write a Poem
> Against the War in Vietnam."
>
>
>  --------
>  Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and
> despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who
> hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that
> success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there
> would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply
> affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use.
> Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that
> of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own
> heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence.
>
>              A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the
> impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the
> likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I
> take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and
> protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music
> of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the
> inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily
> more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could
> not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them.
>
>              But something more is involved that is even harder to talk
> about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that
> suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice
> of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot
> know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to
> the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this,
> but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those
> dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering.
> Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and
> sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough
> despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden,
> when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry
> about that.
>
>              What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we
> will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to
> mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its
> face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source
> is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and
> the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem
> preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it
> shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we
> will help when we can.
>
>   Wendell Berry.  "A Poem of Difficult Hope."  Seneca Review 20.1 (1990).
>  -------------
>
>
>
>  ========================================
>  David Graham
>  grahamd at ripon.edu
>
>  Home Page:
>  http://web.me.com/drjazz
>
>  Poetry Library:
>  http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
>  ==========================================
>
>
>
>
>  On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Snider wrote:
>
>  Wendell Berry has a long and very public record as an environmental
> activist and as a defender  of traditional rural lifestyles. The
> University's actions would certainly have been very painful to him and
> possibly embarrassing. His papers were placed prior to the University's
> actions, and we don't know the terms of the placement.  I knew him slightly
> 30 years ago, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been very careful
> and specific about those terms.
>
>  On Jun 24, 2010, at 21:55, John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>  I guess his standards have no problem with someone who donates a gift and
> then... "undonates" it.
>
>  John J
>
>
>
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> Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of
> California Press).
> http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of
> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively
> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
> else like it."   John Palattella in *The Nation*
>
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From bontasaurus  Mon Jun 28 07:59:09 2010
From: bontasaurus (Dave Bonta)
Date: Mon Jun 28 07:59:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
Message-ID: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Briefly de-lurking to share a link to a guide I've been working on, "How to format poetry on the web": 
http://www.vianegativa.us/?p=7968
I'm no expert on HTML and CSS, and only put this together because I couldn't find anything comparable already out there. I'm hoping other web publsihers and poetry bloggers will not only make use of it, but share their own tips so I can make it better. Also, if anyone wants to reproduce it in whole or in part elsewhere, feel free -- I'd be happy to share the HTML version with the escaped code.

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From amyhappens  Mon Jun 28 08:22:14 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 28 08:22:14 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
In-Reply-To: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <609894.82193.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Wow, thanks for sharing that, Dave - very helpful!

Best,

Amy

 ********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org

********




________________________________
From: Dave Bonta <bontasaurus at yahoo.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 10:06:06 AM
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web


Hello,

Briefly de-lurking to share a link to a guide I've been working on, "How to format poetry on the web": 
http://www.vianegativa.us/?p=7968
I'm no expert on HTML and CSS, and only put this together because I couldn't find anything comparable already out there. I'm hoping other web publsihers and poetry bloggers will not only make use of it, but share their own tips so I can make it better. Also, if anyone wants to reproduce it in whole or in part elsewhere, feel free -- I'd be happy to share the HTML version with the escaped code.

 Dave Bonta


      
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From grahamd  Mon Jun 28 09:17:51 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Mon Jun 28 09:17:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] After Confession
Message-ID: <194E81F4-6849-48FB-B639-664853FFEA92@ripon.edu>

A small toot:  nice review of Kate Sontag & my essay anthology, ten years after its publication(!):

http://iread.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/after-confession-poetry-as-autobiography-edited-by-kate-sontag-and-david-graham/


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 11:54:21 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 11:54:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Anne_Carson=E2=80=99s_Nox_?=
Message-ID: <8CCE5030316CA4F-DF4-DFD@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>


http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article7151055.ece

Anne Carson?s Nox is a many-sided meditation on this most famed of poems, motivated by the death of her elder brother, Michael, whom she had not seen for twenty-two years. We learn enough from this book to know that, had she been at his bedside when he died, she would not have addressed him in Latin. Whatever the two had once shared, it did not include the language of Catullus. In their Canadian youth, Michael had called her ?pinhead? or ?professor? and mocked her search for truth among the ancients: ?So, pinhead, d?you attain wisdom yet??. In a common enough division of nature?s spoils, Anne Carson went on to become an innovative poet and translator as well as a professor of Greek, while Michael, in the story of Nox, became a wandering drug-dealer, a heavy drinker in the streets and stairwells of Amsterdam, whose last home was in Copenhagen and whose closest comment to her on the translator?s arts was that his dog now ?barked in Danish?. 



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From amyhappens  Mon Jun 28 14:33:33 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 28 14:33:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The oil hasn't stopped
Message-ID: <817094.66927.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

flowing, neither have the poems -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

New work up now!

Best,

Amy
 
********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
********



      

From amyhappens  Mon Jun 28 15:10:59 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 28 15:10:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Appropriate time for profanity: now. --- Just when we
	thought the spill couldn't get worse ...
Message-ID: <276337.88833.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just when you thought the spill couldn't get worse - http://www.huliq.com/9990/ocean-floor-gulf-mexico-verge-collapsing

Excerpt:


BP CUT CORNERS

"The cracks on the ocean floor are the direct result of the single string casing used by BP and the failure to apply proper cementing bond logs in addition to only using 6 centralizers instead of the recommended 21."

Welcome, newly-possible 150,000 barrels of oil a day!  Thanks, BP!


Poets for Living Waters -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

I would say best, but that's already past,

Amy
 
********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
********



      

From amyhappens  Mon Jun 28 15:28:40 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jun 28 15:28:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: OT: Just when we thought the "spill" couldn't get
	worse ... + Poets for Living Waters
Message-ID: <620639.12958.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I should have checked the source, but in my panic, I did not.  The story is not on the AP at all.  I hope that this is just a mere sensationalized story (god do I) with no validity, whatsoever.  

With possible gleeful (& tail-tucking) apologies,

Amy


Just when we thought the "spill" couldn't get worse - http://www.huliq.com/9990/ocean-floor-gulf-mexico-verge-collapsing

Excerpt:

BP CUT CORNERS

"The cracks on the ocean floor are the direct result of the single string casing used by BP and the failure to apply proper cementing bond logs in addition to only using 6 centralizers instead of the recommended 21."

Welcome, newly-possible 150,000 barrels of oil a day!  Thanks, BP!


~~~~~~~~~~~~

THE OIL HASN'T STOPPED FLOWING, and neither have the poems:

Poets for Living Waters -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/

I would say best, but that's already past,

Amy


********
Juice - 
+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
********


      

From jjeffreymail  Mon Jun 28 18:23:08 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Mon Jun 28 18:23:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Old Mole for a night
In-Reply-To: <4C263F1A.9020206@opus40.org>
References: <8CCE309B807F94B-1C18-8D6@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
	<09A543FA-7534-4C14-9C4B-417637CDF5C5@mikesnider.org>
	<4C263F1A.9020206@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <991775.58801.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey Tad,

I got to be Old Mole for a night!  At the Crush anthology reading on Saturday night at the Riverwood Poetry Festival, I was asked to read your poem, "Karen, to Whom I Spoke for Fifteen Minutes."  With barely a minute's notice.  I hope I did it justice.  Still, sad to say, I'll admit that I didn't actually sing the Fats Domino bridge.

John J



      
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From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 18:31:08 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 18:31:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Tajada gets Distinguished Chair in Art History
Message-ID: <8CCE53A6FA6D617-17DC-6E6A@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>


http://frontrow.dmagazine.com/2010/06/smu-launches-art-history-ph-d-program-names-new-art-history-chair/
SMU NAMES NEW DISTINGUISHED ENDOWED CHAIR IN ART HISTORY AND LAUNCHES ART HISTORY PH.D. PROGRAM
New Chair Funded by $2 Million Gift from Anonymous Donor

DALLAS (SMU) ? Following an international search, the Department of Art History at SMU?s Meadows School of the Arts today announced the appointment of Dr. Roberto Tejada as the new Distinguished Endowed Chair in Art History, effective August 1. The new endowed senior position was made possible by a generous anonymous gift of $2 million, intended to help launch a new Ph.D. program in art history at SMU in the fall of 2011. It will be the first art history Ph.D. program in North Texas and one of only a few in the state.

?Although our donor wishes to remain anonymous, we express our gratitude for this generous support of a major goal of the Second Century Campaign ? strengthening our academic programs and increasing the number of endowed academic positions,? said SMU President R. Gerald Turner. ?The appointment of Dr. Tejada and this innovative new doctoral program in art history leverage the unique resources of the Meadows Museum and the cultural richness of our region.?

A well-known specialist in modern and contemporary Latin American and Latino/U.S. visual culture, Dr. Tejada is also a highly distinguished teacher, art critic, poet, curator and editor. Ram?n A. Gutierrez, Preston & Sterling Morton Distinguished Professor of History at the University of Chicago, said that Tejada is regarded as ?one of a very small handful of top Latino art historians/critics and as one of Latin America?s most important thinkers in the field.?



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From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 18:33:48 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 18:33:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Corrected caption: Tejada gets Distinguished Chair in
	Art History
In-Reply-To: <8CCE53A6FA6D617-17DC-6E6A@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE53A6FA6D617-17DC-6E6A@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE53AD066C19C-17DC-6EDE@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>


Subject: [New-Poetry] Tajada gets Distinguished Chair in Art History


http://frontrow.dmagazine.com/2010/06/smu-launches-art-history-ph-d-program-names-new-art-history-chair/
SMU NAMES NEW DISTINGUISHED ENDOWED CHAIR IN ART HISTORY AND LAUNCHES ART HISTORY PH.D. PROGRAM
New Chair Funded by $2 Million Gift from Anonymous Donor
 
DALLAS (SMU) ? Following an international search, the Department of Art History at SMU?s Meadows School of the Arts today announced the appointment of Dr. Roberto Tejada as the new Distinguished Endowed Chair in Art History, effective August 1. The new endowed senior position was made possible by a generous anonymous gift of $2 million, intended to help launch a new Ph.D. program in art history at SMU in the fall of 2011. It will be the first art history Ph.D. program in North Texas and one of only a few in the state.
 
?Although our donor wishes to remain anonymous, we express our gratitude for this generous support of a major goal of the Second Century Campaign ? strengthening our academic programs and increasing the number of endowed academic positions,? said SMU President R. Gerald Turner. ?The appointment of Dr. Tejada and this innovative new doctoral program in art history leverage the unique resources of the Meadows Museum and the cultural richness of our region.?
 
A well-known specialist in modern and contemporary Latin American and Latino/U.S. visual culture, Dr. Tejada is also a highly distinguished teacher, art critic, poet, curator and editor. Ram?n A. Gutierrez, Preston & Sterling Morton Distinguished Professor of History at the University of Chicago, said that Tejada is regarded as ?one of a very small handful of top Latino art historians/critics and as one of Latin America?s most important thinkers in the field.?
 



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From bobgrumman  Mon Jun 28 19:04:09 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:04:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
In-Reply-To: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C29570C.7000509@nut-n-but.net>

Dave Bonta wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Briefly de-lurking to share a link to a guide I've been working on, 
> "How to format poetry on the web":
> http://www.vianegativa.us/?p=7968
> I'm no expert on HTML and CSS, and only put this together because I 
> couldn't find anything comparable already out there. I'm hoping other 
> web publsihers and poetry bloggers will not only make use of it, but 
> share their own tips so I can make it better. Also, if anyone wants to 
> reproduce it in whole or in part elsewhere, feel free -- I'd be happy 
> to share the HTML version with the escaped code.
>  
> Dave Bonta
>
Dave, I'm about to leave on a trip so don't have time to look at your 
guide, but do want to say I think there's a big need for such a guide.  
I feel okay with HTML but have all kinds of trouble formating at my 
blog.  Just indenting is very difficult.  This is a second blog I 
started because my first was at GeoCities, which Google killed.  
Formatting there was a nuisance, but I could do it.  Indenting is about 
all I can do at my new site, and I do that by putting a period a the 
beginning of each line to be indented and then spacing.  Without the 
period, the spaces are ignored.

So, glad to hear of your book.  More when I get back from my trip.

--Bob
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From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 19:26:49 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:26:49 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
In-Reply-To: <8CCE540FCE74E94-17DC-7587@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE14EAD086CF5-164-3BD6@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com><49344.53760.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com><69A72B15-89C0-4564-8050-A5A2E4428DDC@mikesnider.org><167B0CCF-1690-47E3-8EAF-C2C1DE6106FD@ripon.edu><813677.40442.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com><FB8FF64C-85D0-456C-A1BD-923B736B0B0E@ripon.edu><AANLkTimnnoZq99u2QTbxhEy82mNxA2lsjueWIYNki6VM@mail.gmail.com><E1OSixE-0000Ll-V2@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net><165376.7115.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8CCE46F9E03B678-A68-2BCEF@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>
	<AANLkTimPE2zvwM8cZxRLeuhRh862H20UEetOmpOjckqq@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CCE540FCE74E94-17DC-7587@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE5423F76E8D6-17DC-76B9@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com>



Karen, 
you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What happened to extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on digest on several lists I don't find that NewPoetry is alone in having fallen away from multi-post discussions. Since I maintain a blog (or three), I wonder if energy posting to lists has all ebbed into the blogosphere.
I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists (because there was quite a lot of impertinent posting and a few fire-starters ready to ignite a flame war over the least perceived slight), but I would say up until about 2005 it did seem that long threads of discussion broke out more regularly.
Finnegan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK


Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not participated mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of becoming discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for once....  And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark, David, etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.   


k



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From oedipa  Mon Jun 28 19:27:59 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:27:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
In-Reply-To: <4C29570C.7000509@nut-n-but.net>
References: <87762.18953.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C29570C.7000509@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimIfB7YfK0zZyDc8p-tyK0hvmS0XbnKSMgE2kqS@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I do web development for a living.  If you want to backchannel me with some
of your issues, I'll see if I can't offer some friendly and quick advice on
formatting, etc..

You were with Geocities?  Really?  Wow!

One blog system a lot of people are enjoying is WordPress.  Don't know if
you have a domain or not.  Or if you're using Blogger or whatnot...

karen

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

>  Dave Bonta wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Briefly de-lurking to share a link to a guide I've been working on, "How to
> format poetry on the web":
> http://www.vianegativa.us/?p=7968
> I'm no expert on HTML and CSS, and only put this together because I
> couldn't find anything comparable already out there. I'm hoping other web
> publsihers and poetry bloggers will not only make use of it, but share their
> own tips so I can make it better. Also, if anyone wants to reproduce it in
> whole or in part elsewhere, feel free -- I'd be happy to share the HTML
> version with the escaped code.
>
> Dave Bonta
>
>  Dave, I'm about to leave on a trip so don't have time to look at your
> guide, but do want to say I think there's a big need for such a guide.  I
> feel okay with HTML but have all kinds of trouble formating at my blog.
> Just indenting is very difficult.  This is a second blog I started because
> my first was at GeoCities, which Google killed.  Formatting there was a
> nuisance, but I could do it.  Indenting is about all I can do at my new
> site, and I do that by putting a period a the beginning of each line to be
> indented and then spacing.  Without the period, the spaces are ignored.
>
> So, glad to hear of your book.  More when I get back from my trip.
>
> --Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From oedipa  Mon Jun 28 19:31:20 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:31:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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I don't know.  Hard to say.  I like the list serve format for discussions
better than blogs.  I don't know why.  maybe it's because it feels closer to
a real discussion.  Also, people are afraid of bringing up politics or other
sensitive stuff on lists now I think.  Maybe the Bush years wore us down.  I
remember another list I used to be on that was host to all manner of
interesting discussion.  Now, not so much.  It's all too polite.  Probably
because more is at stake than ever.  At least to my perception.

k

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>  Karen,
> you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What happened to
> extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on digest on several lists I
> don't find that NewPoetry is alone in having fallen away from multi-post
> discussions. Since I maintain a blog (or three), I wonder if energy posting
> to lists has all ebbed into the blogosphere.
> I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists (because there
> was quite a lot of impertinent posting and a few fire-starters ready to
> ignite a flame war over the least perceived slight), but I would say up
> until about 2005 it did seem that long threads of discussion broke out more
> regularly.
> Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
> Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not participated
> mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of becoming
> discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for once....
>  And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark, David,
> etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.
>
>  k
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


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From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 19:46:43 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:46:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Tobias Wong
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/fashion/27Wong.html?ref=fashion
 
I found this an interesting article. We know that suicide is generally depression-driven. (My sister was an unexpected suicide.) In certain cases, those afflicted with bi-polar disorder (like my daughter) experience a 'cycling' similar to depression that can trigger suicide. (My daughter is so far alive and well, I'm happy to report.) I know that all these statements are speculative and based on the messy business of human psychology as we know it (or think we do). That said, when I read this article I wonder why the possibility of a 'crisis of faith in one's art' is never brought up? Here's a talented young designer that can't get beyond designing put-ons and visual puns. Was he completely content in the status of his art? Was it possible for him, given his prankster reputation, to design things that weren't play/jokes? Just questions that the article provoked for me.

Finnegan

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From c.a.b.daly  Mon Jun 28 19:56:40 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:56:40 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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If I spend time and thought on a listserv post, I repost on blog; my blog is
not my image nor does it represent my thought or me  -- as B Watten noted,
it's a B-gen-ian "bean spasm" coupled with local events

but I have always been made to feel unusual in that I don't gain anything
from daily writing (the original heart of the blog, web journaling), and I
feel journalist blogs  which are for pay, are as unusable as journalism
-- 
All best,
Catherine Daly
c.a.b.daly at gmail.com
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From bobgrumman  Mon Jun 28 19:58:09 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:58:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
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karen wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I do web development for a living.  If you want to backchannel me with 
> some of your issues, I'll see if I can't offer some friendly and quick 
> advice on formatting, etc..  
>
> You were with Geocities?  Really?  Wow!
>
> One blog system a lot of people are enjoying is WordPress.  Don't know 
> if you have a domain or not.  Or if you're using Blogger or whatnot...
>
> karen
Thanks, Karen.  Yeah, I was at Geocities, and told my blog was 
worthless.  But I liked it that way--no bells and whistles.  My only 
problem was lack of a comment addition.  I now forget why that was.  
Wordpress?  Gah, that's the one I'm with now, and don't much like it 
although it has a good comments section, and nice features.  And my site 
is a (free) sub-site at a friend's site, so I don't wanna seem ungrateful. 

Now that I think about it, maybe I can do HTML at it the way I did at 
Geocities.  What happened was I didn't realize for quite a while how to 
switch to HTML, by which time I'd forgotten a lot of my HTML.  I'd 
previously had a little file that I had all the HTML instructions I 
commonly used, and cut and pasted from it for everything except the 
standard stuff.  Very handy, but I never committed any of it to memory, 
and no longer have the file.

Anyway, I'm going on a trip, so don't want to get into HTML until I'm 
back.  Thanks again for the offer.

--Bob

From jforjames  Mon Jun 28 19:59:27 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 19:59:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Tobias Wong
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I forgot to say the article does give a lot weight to severe sleep disorder Tobias Wong suffered from.


Jm Finnegan
860-508-2810



-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Tobias Wong



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/fashion/27Wong.html?ref=fashion
 
I found this an interesting article. We know that suicide is generally depression-driven. (My sister was an unexpected suicide.) In certain cases, those afflicted with bi-polar disorder (like my daughter) experience a 'cycling' similar to depression that can trigger suicide. (My daughter is so far alive and well, I'm happy to report.) I know that all these statements are speculative and based on the messy business of human psychology as we know it (or think we do). That said, when I read this article I wonder why the possibility of a 'crisis of faith in one's art' is never brought up? Here's a talented young designer that can't get beyond designing put-ons and visual puns. Was he completely content in the status of his art? Was it possible for him, given his prankster reputation, to design things that weren't play/jokes? Just questions that the article provoked for me.

Finnegan


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From bobgrumman  Mon Jun 28 20:09:05 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon Jun 28 20:09:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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karen wrote:
> I don't know.  Hard to say.  I like the list serve format for 
> discussions better than blogs. 
If you're talking about what I think you are, I think that's a big 
factor.  All the comments sections at the blogs I've been to require you 
to cut & paste
a comment or a blog entry to want to reply to as I'm replying here (as 
far as I know in my ignorance of so much of this).  Then you have to put 
in >'s of something to distinguish what you're replying to, for your reply.



>  I don't know why.  maybe it's because it feels closer to a real 
> discussion.  Also, people are afraid of bringing up politics or other 
> sensitive stuff on lists now I think.  Maybe the Bush years wore us down.
Well, the part of me that's rightwing says it's the hyperoffendible 
liberals who have pushed politeness. 

Or maybe we've all had ouor say--we were energized by the Internet at 
first--at last an outlet for all our rants and wisdom.  Like letters to 
the editor, but we could send them ten times a day and be sure of 
publication.  Fine for a while, but no one had more than five year's 
worth of output.

I dunno.  I agree that discussion has dwindled everywhere I post, which 
includes Shakespeare-authorship sites where I argue for my boy Will, and 
several literary/art sites.

I have no ideas for getting things going again.  I do hope things get 
lively again.

--Bob



> I remember another list I used to be on that was host to all manner of 
> interesting discussion.  Now, not so much.  It's all too polite. 
>  Probably because more is at stake than ever.  At least to my perception.
>
> k
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <jforjames at aol.com 
> <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>     Karen,
>     you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What
>     happened to extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on
>     digest on several lists I don't find that NewPoetry is alone in
>     having fallen away from multi-post discussions. Since I maintain a
>     blog (or three), I wonder if energy posting to lists has all ebbed
>     into the blogosphere.
>     I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists
>     (because there was quite a lot of impertinent posting
>     and a few fire-starters ready to ignite a flame war over the least
>     perceived slight), but I would say up until about 2005 it did seem
>     that long threads of discussion broke out more regularly.
>     Finnegan
>      
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com <mailto:oedipa at gmail.com>>
>     To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views
>     <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>>
>     Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
>     Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>
>     Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not
>     participated mainly because many of the threads would stop just
>     short of becoming discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread
>     evolve further for once....  And it brings up some great points to
>     think about via John, Mark, David, etc..  I don't see that as
>     upsetting, instead it's engaging.  
>
>     k
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     New-Poetry mailing list
>     New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu <mailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>     http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> k
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From oedipa  Mon Jun 28 22:08:13 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Mon Jun 28 22:08:13 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Bob...just as an aside, you shouldn't have to be cutting and pasting
anything when you reply.  The previous commentator's words and the little
carrots (>) are all going to be there.  And if they aren't, it's by design
because the blogger has chosen comments to follow each other in order so you
and see them all in the context of where they evolved.  So I don't think
it's the work involved that's driving people away.  I think you are correct
that the newness has worn off, people take it all for granted now, there are
many trolls afoot and we're all sick of it, and also the hyperpolitness
factor (which I hate and I'm liberal) is contributing to the downfall of the
ListServe Discussion as well...

I also think the public nature of blogs attracts a different way of writing
and commenting you won't find on a more private list serve.  List serves can
become great little communities because of that factor.

k

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

>  karen wrote:
>
> I don't know.  Hard to say.  I like the list serve format for discussions
> better than blogs.
>
> If you're talking about what I think you are, I think that's a big factor.
> All the comments sections at the blogs I've been to require you to cut &
> paste
> a comment or a blog entry to want to reply to as I'm replying here (as far
> as I know in my ignorance of so much of this).  Then you have to put in >'s
> of something to distinguish what you're replying to, for your reply.
>
>
>
>
>  I don't know why.  maybe it's because it feels closer to a real
> discussion.  Also, people are afraid of bringing up politics or other
> sensitive stuff on lists now I think.  Maybe the Bush years wore us down.
>
> Well, the part of me that's rightwing says it's the hyperoffendible
> liberals who have pushed politeness.
>
> Or maybe we've all had ouor say--we were energized by the Internet at
> first--at last an outlet for all our rants and wisdom.  Like letters to the
> editor, but we could send them ten times a day and be sure of publication.
> Fine for a while, but no one had more than five year's worth of output.
>
> I dunno.  I agree that discussion has dwindled everywhere I post, which
> includes Shakespeare-authorship sites where I argue for my boy Will, and
> several literary/art sites.
>
> I have no ideas for getting things going again.  I do hope things get
> lively again.
>
> --Bob
>
>
>
> I remember another list I used to be on that was host to all manner of
> interesting discussion.  Now, not so much.  It's all too polite.  Probably
> because more is at stake than ever.  At least to my perception.
>
>  k
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  Karen,
>> you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What happened
>> to extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on digest on several
>> lists I don't find that NewPoetry is alone in having fallen away from
>> multi-post discussions. Since I maintain a blog (or three), I wonder if
>> energy posting to lists has all ebbed into the blogosphere.
>> I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists (because there
>> was quite a lot of impertinent posting and a few fire-starters ready to
>> ignite a flame war over the least perceived slight), but I would say up
>> until about 2005 it did seem that long threads of discussion broke out more
>> regularly.
>> Finnegan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
>> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK
>>
>> Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not
>> participated mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of
>> becoming discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for
>> once....  And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark,
>> David, etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.
>>
>>  k
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> k
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From oedipa  Mon Jun 28 22:11:05 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Mon Jun 28 22:11:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] new resource: poetry formatting on the web
In-Reply-To: <4C2963B6.1040000@nut-n-but.net>
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Ah, well, it probably wouldn't take too much for me to configure your
WordPress so it would be a whole different experience for you.  Happy to do
so if it looks quick enough!  Let me know when you get back!

k

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

> karen wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I do web development for a living.  If you want to backchannel me with
>> some of your issues, I'll see if I can't offer some friendly and quick
>> advice on formatting, etc..
>> You were with Geocities?  Really?  Wow!
>>
>> One blog system a lot of people are enjoying is WordPress.  Don't know if
>> you have a domain or not.  Or if you're using Blogger or whatnot...
>>
>> karen
>>
> Thanks, Karen.  Yeah, I was at Geocities, and told my blog was worthless.
>  But I liked it that way--no bells and whistles.  My only problem was lack
> of a comment addition.  I now forget why that was.  Wordpress?  Gah, that's
> the one I'm with now, and don't much like it although it has a good comments
> section, and nice features.  And my site is a (free) sub-site at a friend's
> site, so I don't wanna seem ungrateful.
> Now that I think about it, maybe I can do HTML at it the way I did at
> Geocities.  What happened was I didn't realize for quite a while how to
> switch to HTML, by which time I'd forgotten a lot of my HTML.  I'd
> previously had a little file that I had all the HTML instructions I commonly
> used, and cut and pasted from it for everything except the standard stuff.
>  Very handy, but I never committed any of it to memory, and no longer have
> the file.
>
> Anyway, I'm going on a trip, so don't want to get into HTML until I'm back.
>  Thanks again for the offer.
>
>
> --Bob
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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jun 29 09:17:44 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jun 29 09:17:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten questions on poets & technology - Dave Bonta
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Dave Bonta responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/aVtSZb.Best, NicNic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com








 		 	   		  
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From obodooha  Tue Jun 29 13:54:56 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Tue Jun 29 13:54:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Playing Ball
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBvzSKKONKopP7Vb6CEa4Wls15S4fp5wiZEjtg@mail.gmail.com>

"The ?soccering? of sex and the sexualization of
soccer<http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/5586754-146/shibboleth_playing_ball___.csp>are
both practices of humour too.
...

When one thinks about this interesting coalescence of soccer and sex in and
the World Cup taking place in South Africa, one could understand how painful
it could be for Slovakia to have succeeded in taking Italy to bed. As the
two wrestled in the South African soccer bedroom, perhaps some of us thought
that Slovakia would be on the receiving end. I thought so too, and feared
that the ?bashing? Slovakia would receive might result in multiple
pregnancies!"


Read the full text of this article at:

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/5586754-146/shibboleth_playing_ball___.csp


-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
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From oedipa  Tue Jun 29 15:29:51 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Tue Jun 29 15:29:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AANLkTilxGJyn6nIzalUmGbIOnX2xnKYsJ69iIuFLpWI6@mail.gmail.com>

http://bfimpsvzccfj.ru.gg

-- 
k

From jforjames  Tue Jun 29 20:48:16 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 29 20:48:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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B


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


karen wrote: 
I don't know.  Hard to say.  I like the list serve format for discussions better than blogs. 
If you're talking about what I think you are, I think that's a big factor.  All the comments sections at the blogs I've been to require you to cut & paste
a comment or a blog entry to want to reply to as I'm replying here (as far as I know in my ignorance of so much of this).  Then you have to put in >'s of something to distinguish what you're replying to, for your reply.




 I don't know why.  maybe it's because it feels closer to a real discussion.  Also, people are afraid of bringing up politics or other sensitive stuff on lists now I think.  Maybe the Bush years wore us down.
Well, the part of me that's rightwing says it's the hyperoffendible liberals who have pushed politeness.  

Or maybe we've all had ouor say--we were energized by the Internet at first--at last an outlet for all our rants and wisdom.  Like letters to the editor, but we could send them ten times a day and be sure of publication.  Fine for a while, but no one had more than five year's worth of output.

I dunno.  I agree that discussion has dwindled everywhere I post, which includes Shakespeare-authorship sites where I argue for my boy Will, and several literary/art sites.

I have no ideas for getting things going again.  I do hope things get lively again.

--Bob




I remember another list I used to be on that was host to all manner of interesting discussion.  Now, not so much.  It's all too polite.  Probably because more is at stake than ever.  At least to my perception. 


k


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:


Karen, 
you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What happened to extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on digest on several lists I don't find that NewPoetry is alone in having fallen away from multi-post discussions. Since I maintain a blog (or three), I wonder if energy posting to lists has all ebbed into the blogosphere.
I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists (because there was quite a lot of impertinent posting and a few fire-starters ready to ignite a flame war over the least perceived slight), but I would say up until about 2005 it did seem that long threads of discussion broke out more regularly.
Finnegan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK


Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not participated mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of becoming discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for once....  And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark, David, etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.   


k




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From jforjames  Tue Jun 29 20:56:43 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 29 20:56:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Last message slipped...
Bob, I don't want to name names....but certainly you remember those interminable rows you had with Marcus Bales on this list. 'Liberal' as I was (and am), I eventually had to step and say 'no mas'. 
That said, I've seen much the same endless back & forth dithering in the comment streams to blogs. 
Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


karen wrote: 
I don't know.  Hard to say.  I like the list serve format for discussions better than blogs. 
If you're talking about what I think you are, I think that's a big factor.  All the comments sections at the blogs I've been to require you to cut & paste
a comment or a blog entry to want to reply to as I'm replying here (as far as I know in my ignorance of so much of this).  Then you have to put in >'s of something to distinguish what you're replying to, for your reply.




 I don't know why.  maybe it's because it feels closer to a real discussion.  Also, people are afraid of bringing up politics or other sensitive stuff on lists now I think.  Maybe the Bush years wore us down.
Well, the part of me that's rightwing says it's the hyperoffendible liberals who have pushed politeness.  

Or maybe we've all had ouor say--we were energized by the Internet at first--at last an outlet for all our rants and wisdom.  Like letters to the editor, but we could send them ten times a day and be sure of publication.  Fine for a while, but no one had more than five year's worth of output.

I dunno.  I agree that discussion has dwindled everywhere I post, which includes Shakespeare-authorship sites where I argue for my boy Will, and several literary/art sites.

I have no ideas for getting things going again.  I do hope things get lively again.

--Bob




I remember another list I used to be on that was host to all manner of interesting discussion.  Now, not so much.  It's all too polite.  Probably because more is at stake than ever.  At least to my perception. 


k


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:


Karen, 
you bring up something I've been mulling for sometime now. What happened to extended thread discussions on the lists? Being on digest on several lists I don't find that NewPoetry is alone in having fallen away from multi-post discussions. Since I maintain a blog (or three), I wonder if energy posting to lists has all ebbed into the blogosphere.
I don't want to over romanticize the good ol' days of lists (because there was quite a lot of impertinent posting and a few fire-starters ready to ignite a flame war over the least perceived slight), but I would say up until about 2005 it did seem that long threads of discussion broke out more regularly.
Finnegan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry withdraws papers from UK


Well, I've been on this list for about five years and I've not participated mainly because many of the threads would stop just short of becoming discussions.  It was interesting to see a thread evolve further for once....  And it brings up some great points to think about via John, Mark, David, etc..  I don't see that as upsetting, instead it's engaging.   


k




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From bobgrumman  Wed Jun 30 04:29:54 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed Jun 30 04:29:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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jforjames at aol.com wrote:
> Last message slipped...
> Bob, I don't want to name names....but certainly you remember those 
> interminable rows you had with Marcus Bales on this list. 'Liberal' as 
> I was (and am), I eventually had to step and say 'no mas'.
> That said, I've seen much the same endless back & forth dithering in 
> the comment streams to blogs.
> Finnegan
Exactly.  But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing 
here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real 
discussions.
Too bad everyone couldn't have a filter that blocks posts marked XXX for 
possibly offensive, and require posters to use the mark on posts likely 
to offend (or excessively bore non-specialists).  The moderator could 
remind those who fail to use the XXX when they should have of the rule, 
and ban them if they forget it too many times.  Pretty much the same as now.

--Bob
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From alexdickow9  Wed Jun 30 14:16:06 2010
From: alexdickow9 (Alexander Dickow)
Date: Wed Jun 30 14:16:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: list discussions
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Well, I'm still here. Perhaps everyone simultaneously, like myself, finds 
themselves with some gigantic project (dissertation and/or child, e.g.) on their 
hands that theoretically prevents them from starting involved discussions...or 
even posting the occasional plug. I'll come back eventually, but things get 
awfully busy....
In fact, I think it has nothing to do with nastiness, but with the fact that 
discussions on listservs, unlike real conversations, require (in theory -- 
flaming aside!) some degree of imagination: otherwise, the result is, to some 
extent, the "hobby horse" effect: people come back to their favorite subjects 
obsessively, like a default setting (not by any means a critique of Bob or 
anyone else, by the way: I'm as bad as the worst of them in the hobby horse 
department -- did I ever show you where I got injured in the war? ;-). So there 
are necessarily fallow moments, until someone has a spark of inspiration or 
makes an effort to come up with something interesting.
Here's a topic: Guillaume Apollinaire's reception among American poets. Do 
Americans generally read Apollinaire's work, beyond a few token calligrammes and 
the "Pont Mirabeau" or something? And if so, in which translation(s)? Just 
wondering. 
See what I mean? Oh well...
Back to dissertations and babies for me.
Amicalement,
Alex

Bad Bob wrote: "But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing 
here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real 
discussions."
 
www.alexdickow.net/blog/
 
les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin
merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet
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From jeff.newberry  Wed Jun 30 14:27:28 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Wed Jun 30 14:27:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Marianne Moore
Message-ID: <AANLkTilhQo8Db9-3Qy-w3eBW2njfcmuBVZ2wUQJt3jPE@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to track down a quotation, and I was wondering if any of you
NewPoets had the info I seek:

Marianne Moore supposedly said something like "Subject matter provides one
the opportunity to speak *beautifully *or *passionately".*
*
*
*I think that the quote is something like that.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.*
*
*
*Best,*
*Jeff Newberry
*
-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that
is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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From cervantes.james  Wed Jun 30 14:49:15 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Wed Jun 30 14:49:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A last chance
Message-ID: <AANLkTimv1l8-yOZ86G9LG3rkqw5xCxyRAFWynZkZ0u45@mail.gmail.com>

If you have never submitted your writing to The Salt River Review, this is
your last chance, literally.  I will be reading submissions until
mid-September.  The Fall issue will be the last, though SRR will be archived
with its indices up to date.  Submissions go to this address (so far not
hijacked); include genre and your name in the subject line.

-- Jim
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
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From junction  Wed Jun 30 15:16:15 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Wed Jun 30 15:16:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: list discussions
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In the French.

A propos, here's a Max Jacob (my translation):

IF GUILLAUME HAD DIED A CHRISTIAN DEATH

And I was so certain of his impending death that 
in tears I sketched the bed of his final agony. 
Which is not to deny that I was somewhat 
preoccupied by questions of craft. The next day 
he walked through Paris strong and sublime. One 
morning in Montmartre at Sacr?-Coeur two black 
cats pressed me between them. A voice proclaimed: 
?Fear not!? Sacr?-Coeur seemed like one of those 
pink fortresses that decorate the summits of 
hills in Italy and he, Guillaume, was like 
a  man-headed bird soaring above it. Was he dead, 
the dear singer? My sketch was unfinished. I came 
upon him leading a group of disciples: was it he 
or Dante? Full of life, surely! He was not dead, 
Guillaume. A tall intelligent abbot tells me: 
?One can?t be more alive than Guillaume 
Apollinaire. Finish, therefore, your sketch of 
his death and place my silhouette to the left beneath it.?


At 04:23 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
>Well, I'm still here. Perhaps everyone 
>simultaneously, like myself, finds themselves 
>with some gigantic project (dissertation and/or 
>child, e.g.) on their hands that theoretically 
>prevents them from starting involved 
>discussions...or even posting the occasional 
>plug. I'll come back eventually, but things get awfully busy....
>In fact, I think it has nothing to do with 
>nastiness, but with the fact that discussions on 
>listservs, unlike real conversations, require 
>(in theory -- flaming aside!) some degree of 
>imagination: otherwise, the result is, to some 
>extent, the "hobby horse" effect: people come 
>back to their favorite subjects obsessively, 
>like a default setting (not by any means a 
>critique of Bob or anyone else, by the way: I'm 
>as bad as the worst of them in the hobby horse 
>department -- did I ever show you where I got 
>injured in the war? ;-). So there are 
>necessarily fallow moments, until someone has a 
>spark of inspiration or makes an effort to come up with something interesting.
>Here's a topic: Guillaume Apollinaire's 
>reception among American poets. Do Americans 
>generally read Apollinaire's work, beyond a few 
>token calligrammes and the "Pont Mirabeau" or 
>something? And if so, in which translation(s)? Just wondering.
>See what I mean? Oh well...
>Back to dissertations and babies for me.
>Amicalement,
>Alex
>
>Bad Bob wrote: "But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing
>here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real
>discussions."
>
><http://www.alexdickow.net/blog/>www.alexdickow.net/blog/
>
>les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin
>merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet
>
>
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Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban 
Poetry (University of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's 
Random House Book of Twentieth Century French 
Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively 
broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the 
United States and also created a superb 
collection of foreign poems in English. There is 
nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
Nation
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From Opus40-01  Wed Jun 30 18:52:17 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed Jun 30 18:52:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A last chance
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This is sad news indeed.

James Cervantes wrote:
> If you have never submitted your writing to The Salt River Review, 
> this is your last chance, literally.  I will be reading submissions 
> until mid-September.  The Fall issue will be the last, though SRR will 
> be archived with its indices up to date.  Submissions go to this 
> address (so far not hijacked); include genre and your name in the 
> subject line.
>
> -- Jim
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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From jforjames  Wed Jun 30 19:14:25 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 30 19:14:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Jim Finnegan
860-508-2810



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


jforjames at aol.com wrote: 
Last message slipped...
Bob, I don't want to name names....but certainly you remember those interminable rows you had with Marcus Bales on this list. 'Liberal' as I was (and am), I eventually had to step and say 'no mas'. 
That said, I've seen much the same endless back & forth dithering in the comment streams to blogs. 
Finnegan
Exactly.  But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real discussions.
Too bad everyone couldn't have a filter that blocks posts marked XXX for possibly offensive, and require posters to use the mark on posts likely to offend (or excessively bore non-specialists).  The moderator could remind those who fail to use the XXX when they should have of the rule, and ban them if they forget it too many times.  Pretty much the same as now.

--Bob


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From jforjames  Wed Jun 30 19:21:42 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 30 19:21:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Sorry about the blank message... 
Honestly, Bob, those are kinds of discussions I don't miss at all. But two (or more) people can form a list anytime the spirit moves, and just knock themselves out.  
Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


jforjames at aol.com wrote: 
Last message slipped...
Bob, I don't want to name names....but certainly you remember those interminable rows you had with Marcus Bales on this list. 'Liberal' as I was (and am), I eventually had to step and say 'no mas'. 
That said, I've seen much the same endless back & forth dithering in the comment streams to blogs. 
Finnegan
Exactly.  But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real discussions.
Too bad everyone couldn't have a filter that blocks posts marked XXX for possibly offensive, and require posters to use the mark on posts likely to offend (or excessively bore non-specialists).  The moderator could remind those who fail to use the XXX when they should have of the rule, and ban them if they forget it too many times.  Pretty much the same as now.

--Bob


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From millb  Wed Jun 30 19:25:10 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jun 30 19:25:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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There used to be more discussions here.  I am not sure what happened since I was never an initiator. But, as I recall there were talks about poetry used in lessons and discussions of new books, articles, etc.



Millicent 


-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:28 pm
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Sorry about the blank message... 
Honestly, Bob, those are kinds of discussions I don't miss at all. But two (or more) people can form a list anytime the spirit moves, and just knock themselves out.  
Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


jforjames at aol.com wrote: 
Last message slipped...
Bob, I don't want to name names....but certainly you remember those interminable rows you had with Marcus Bales on this list. 'Liberal' as I was (and am), I eventually had to step and say 'no mas'. 
That said, I've seen much the same endless back & forth dithering in the comment streams to blogs. 
Finnegan
Exactly.  But what do you see here, James?  I've seen almost nothing here for a long time.  Plugs, announcements, links but almost no real discussions.
Too bad everyone couldn't have a filter that blocks posts marked XXX for possibly offensive, and require posters to use the mark on posts likely to offend (or excessively bore non-specialists).  The moderator could remind those who fail to use the XXX when they should have of the rule, and ban them if they forget it too many times.  Pretty much the same as now.

--Bob


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From jforjames  Wed Jun 30 20:14:27 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 30 20:14:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Over the years (esp. after 2000) there was more and better poetry-related content being built out on the web. More places to visit and to linger over. So some drawing away of attention and interest I'm sure occurred. I think the novelty of lists in 90s gave them energy...but that novelty had to ebb as the web developed. By the mid-2000s lists seemed a little passe when compared to other kinds of web expression. If a poet was born after 1970, coming to age with the web. I think there is stark difference between email list experience and the content & features of the web, blogs, social networking, etc. 
 
I never really got into boards which are more structured forms of lists. I wonder if the boards are faring better at keeping discussions alive. 
Finnegan


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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From jjeffreymail  Wed Jun 30 20:58:34 2010
From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey)
Date: Wed Jun 30 20:58:34 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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Jeez.  What's with all the eulogies?  Is the patient even dead?

Blogs may have stolen some of the fire, but blogs are more soapbox, more pedestal, more "I speak; you listen."  They have their place, but there's not the real back&forth of ideas that this sort of list can generate.  And I like the back&forth, even when I'm the only one who's right.  Sometimes, though, the comments tend too much toward one-liners, which stumble a discussion, or summary dismissals, which piss people off.  Also, I've seen few extended email comments on crap poetic.  Only quickies.  (That may be one thing that is lost to blogs; there's less inclination to pile the crap here, especially when the blog needs a good crap pile for the post.)  Still, a meaty discussion will get up and push forward regardless.

I know some of you are on multiple lists.  Do they all seem to be suffering from the same plague of ennui?  Or are we just a lazy lot?

John J






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From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 10:21:32 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?

Over the years (esp. after 2000) there was more and better poetry-related content being built out on the web. More places to visit and to linger over. So some drawing away of attention and interest I'm sure occurred. I think the novelty of lists in 90s gave them energy...but that novelty had to ebb as the web developed. By the mid-2000s lists seemed a little passe when compared to other kinds of web expression. If a poet was born after 1970, coming to age with the web. I think there is stark difference between email list experience and the content & features of the web, blogs, social networking, etc. 
 
I never really got into boards which are more structured forms of lists. I wonder if the boards are faring better at keeping discussions alive. 
Finnegan


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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From junction  Wed Jun 30 21:45:38 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
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Seems to ebb and flow like the tide. But I suspect that some of 
what's happened is that a lot of what people like to discuss/argue 
about has been done to death.

At 11:05 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
>Jeez.  What's with all the eulogies?  Is the patient even dead?
>
>Blogs may have stolen some of the fire, but blogs are more soapbox, 
>more pedestal, more "I speak; you listen."  They have their place, 
>but there's not the real back&forth of ideas that this sort of list 
>can generate.  And I like the back&forth, even when I'm the only one 
>who's right.  Sometimes, though, the comments tend too much toward 
>one-liners, which stumble a discussion, or summary dismissals, which 
>piss people off.  Also, I've seen few extended email comments on 
>crap poetic.  Only quickies.  (That may be one thing that is lost to 
>blogs; there's less inclination to pile the crap here, especially 
>when the blog needs a good crap pile for the post.)  Still, a meaty 
>discussion will get up and push forward regardless.
>
>I know some of you are on multiple lists.  Do they all seem to be 
>suffering from the same plague of ennui?  Or are we just a lazy lot?
>
>John J
>
>
>
>
>From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
>To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 10:21:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
>
>Over the years (esp. after 2000) there was more and better 
>poetry-related content being built out on the web. More places to 
>visit and to linger over. So some drawing away of attention and 
>interest I'm sure occurred. I think the novelty of lists in 90s gave 
>them energy...but that novelty had to ebb as the web developed. By 
>the mid-2000s lists seemed a little passe when compared to other 
>kinds of web expression. If a poet was born after 1970, coming to 
>age with the web. I think there is stark difference between email 
>list experience and the content & features of the web, blogs, social 
>networking, etc.
>
>I never really got into boards which are more structured forms of 
>lists. I wonder if the boards are faring better at keeping discussions alive.
>Finnegan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Millicent <<mailto:millb at aol.com>millb at aol.com>
>To: <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:32 pm
>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
>
>There used to be more discussions here.  I am not sure what happened 
>since I was never an initiator. But, as I recall there were talks 
>about poetry used in lessons and discussions of new books, articles, etc.
>
>
>
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From oedipa  Wed Jun 30 22:49:11 2010
From: oedipa (karen)
Date: Wed Jun 30 22:49:11 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A last chance
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What???  Say it ain't so Jeem!  It's one of my fav mags on the interwebs.
 Damn.

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:59 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

> This is sad news indeed.
>
> James Cervantes wrote:
>
>> If you have never submitted your writing to The Salt River Review, this is
>> your last chance, literally.  I will be reading submissions until
>> mid-September.  The Fall issue will be the last, though SRR will be archived
>> with its indices up to date.  Submissions go to this address (so far not
>> hijacked); include genre and your name in the subject line.
>>
>> -- Jim
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
>> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
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