From jforjames  Thu Jul  1 08:24:35 2010
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Date: Thu Jul  1 08:24:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
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From jforjames  Thu Jul  1 08:31:59 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  1 08:31:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: The Ireland Chair of  Poetry
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/0701/1224273689539.html
The appointment of the new Ireland Professor of Poetry, Harry Clifton, recognises four decades of imagination and an exemplary dedication to poetry, writes GERRY SMYTH 

THE IRELAND Chair of Poetry was established in 1998 to mark the award to Seamus Heaney of the Nobel Prize for Literature three years earlier. The chair (or professorship) was defined in quite explicit terms by the Nobel Laureate himself when he declared that ?the post is intended to manifest the value of poetry within our cultural and intellectual life?.



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From jforjames  Thu Jul  1 10:18:38 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  1 10:18:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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John, blogs do have comment streams that can be used for discussion. You have to visit the blog to know what is being discussed (or be getting RSS feed). Some group blogs (multiple members) have tried to be sites of ongoing discussion. Henry Gould (he was once active on CAP-L) founded a blog called Plumbline School (a school for those who were open schooling); but it closed after an interesting but fairly short run.

Mark, it may be true; perhaps the lists have exhausted the usual suspect topics, like...

What is Poetry? (And thereby What is Art?)
     Related:
     Why are certain sub-genre?s, like Vispo, neglected? [Bob's favorite]

Poetry v. Prose
     Related:
     Is the prose-poetry poetry?

Free Verse is just chopped prose in contemporary practice.
    Related:
    Is free verse merely the lazy practice of those unwilling/unable to master verse technique? 

New Formalism: who and what is a new formalist; what does it mean to be a new formalist? 
    Related:
    Is Formalism a conservative movement, both aesthetically and politically?

Avant-Gard (or Experimental poetry) v. Mainstream (or Official Verse Culture)

The Audience for Poetry: Who are they?
    Related:
    Is poetry too difficult for common reader? Would more accessible poetry mean more readers?
    Related:
    Why does it mean to say poetry is difficult/obscure?  
    Related:
    Is poetry dead? Who killed poetry?
    Related:
    Can poetry be promoted? Value of Nat'l Poetry Month, the Poet Laureate?s initiatives, etc. 

MFA programs; proliferation of and/or value of?
    Related: 
    Can poetry writing be taught?

Awards/Prizes: Who is getting the major awards and do they deserve them? 
    Related:
    Why do certain poets keeping getting awards?

Is Poetry Criticism a dying art? 
    Related:
    Does aggressively negative criticism (e.g., Wm. Logan) have its place?

Online/WWW vs. Printed Matter/Traditional Poetry Press
    Related:
    Are print journals dinosaurs? Are online journals the future of poetry?
    Related:
    E-books; POD vs. traditional press runs of 500-1000 printed books.
    Related:
    How is technology changing poetry? [see Nic's recent blog project]



--
Finnegan


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?


Seems to ebb and flow like the tide. But I suspect that some of what's happened is that a lot of what people like to discuss/argue about has been done to death.

At 11:05 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:

Jeez.  What's with all the eulogies?  Is the patient even dead?

Blogs may have stolen some of the fire, but blogs are more soapbox, more pedestal, more "I speak; you listen."  They have their place, but there's not the real back&forth of ideas that this sort of list can generate.  And I like the back&forth, even when I'm the only one who's right.  Sometimes, though, the comments tend too much toward one-liners, which stumble a discussion, or summary dismissals, which piss people off.  Also, I've seen few extended email comments on crap poetic.  Only quickies.  (That may be one thing that is lost to blogs; there's less inclination to pile the crap here, especially when the blog needs a good crap pile for the post.)  Still, a meaty discussion will get up and push forward regardless.

I know some of you are on multiple lists.  Do they all seem to be suffering from the same plague of ennui?  Or are we just a lazy lot?

John J




From: "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 10:21:32 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?

Over the years (esp. after 2000) there was more and better poetry-related content being built out on the web. More places to visit and to linger over. So some drawing away of attention and interest I'm sure occurred. I think the novelty of lists in 90s gave them energy...but that novelty had to ebb as the web developed. By the mid-2000s lists seemed a little passe when compared to other kinds of web expression. If a poet was born after 1970, coming to age with the web. I think there is stark difference between email list experience and the content & features of the web, blogs, social networking, etc. 
 
I never really got into boards which are more structured forms of lists. I wonder if the boards are faring better at keeping discussions alive. 
Finnegan

-----Original Message-----
From: Millicent <millb at aol.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?

There used to be more discussions here.  I am not sure what happened since I was never an initiator. But, as I recall there were talks about poetry used in lessons and discussions of new books, articles, etc.

 

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From donnapecore  Thu Jul  1 10:30:24 2010
From: donnapecore (donna pecore)
Date: Thu Jul  1 10:30:24 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] You all inspire me!
Message-ID: <789371.873.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just want to
let you all know that this list serve, with all its supposed flaws, has served
as a source of inspiration and enjoyment to this lurking shadow, especially the arguments. This is what I consider among the best academic discourse I have encountered. I go to panel talks and colloquiums where everyone is too polite, here u all let ur hair down. I am presently
completing a read of Axle's Castle by Edmund Wilson (I would have never read
this, and would have missed "capture a mayfly moment in
amber") and have received many other introductions to many poets and thoughts that I
wouldn't have experienced without this list serve. You push me to think-out of
the box-pardon the clich? and I want to say thanks and share my latest response to the conversation:

Recovering the Hobby Horse
 
?discussions
on listservs, unlike real
conversations, require ?some degree of imagination: otherwise, the
result is, to some extent, the "hobby horse" effect: people come back to their favorite
subjects obsessively,a default setting. So there are necessarily fallow moments,
until someone has a spark of inspiration or makes an effort to come up with
something interesting. 
Alexander Dickow, New-Poetry
Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

Rocking back and forth almost tipping over
until returning
a typewriter?s carriage      
that finds a cadence, the rhythm
of communication
sometimes satisfies
but completing the creative urge
or developing into something new
no, not really
and are real conversations any
different?
the things I want to talk about
what I know what I love
repeatedly returned to
to expand 
like a balloon 
stretching our verbal skin 
thin
takes awareness
of the default 
no your not at fault
but this eye opening awareness of
an opportunity
to enter the unknown
becomes the first ingredient 
of recovery from the security
the soothing motion
used
to tip the rocking horse 

The poet doesn't invent. He listens.Jean Cocteau


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From jforjames  Thu Jul  1 11:45:48 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  1 11:45:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] You all inspire me!
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Donna,
That's nice to hear.
Finnegan


-----Original Message-----
From: donna pecore <donnapecore at yahoo.com>
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] You all inspire me!




I just want to let you all know that this list serve, with all its supposed flaws, has served as a source of inspiration and enjoyment to this lurking shadow, especially the arguments. This is what I consider among the best academic discourse I have encountered. I go to panel talks and colloquiums where everyone is too polite, here u all let ur hair down. I am presently completing a read of Axle's Castle by Edmund Wilson (I would have never read this, and would have missed "capture a mayfly moment in amber") and have received many other introductions to many poets and thoughts that I wouldn't have experienced without this list serve. You push me to think-out of the box-pardon the clich? and I want to say thanks and share my latest response to the conversation:


Recovering the Hobby Horse

 
?discussions on listservs, unlike real conversations, require ?some degree of imagination: otherwise, the result is, to some extent, the "hobby horse" effect: people come back to their favorite subjects obsessively, a default setting. So there are necessarily fallow moments, until someone has a spark of inspiration or makes an effort to come up with something interesting. 
Alexander Dickow, New-Poetry Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

Rocking back and forth almost tipping over
until returning
a typewriter?s carriage      
that finds a cadence, the rhythm of communication
sometimes satisfies
but completing the creative urge
or developing into something new
no, not really
and are real conversations any different?
the things I want to talk about
what I know what I love
repeatedly returned to
to expand 
like a balloon 
stretching our verbal skin 
thin
takes awareness
of the default 
no your not at fault
but this eye opening awareness of an opportunity
to enter the unknown
becomes the first ingredient 
of recovery from the security
the soothing motion
used
to tip the rocking horse 



The poet doesn't invent. He listens.
Jean Cocteau


Donna Pecore






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From halvard  Thu Jul  1 12:12:16 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu Jul  1 12:12:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
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On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:25 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> John, blogs do have comment streams that can be used for discussion. You
> have to visit the blog to know what is being discussed (or be getting RSS
> feed). Some group blogs (multiple members) have tried to be sites of ongoing
> discussion. Henry Gould (he was once active on CAP-L) founded a blog called
> Plumbline School (a school for those who were open schooling); but it closed
> after an interesting but fairly short run.
>
> Mark, it may be true; perhaps the lists have exhausted the usual suspect
> topics, like...
>
> What is Poetry? (And thereby What is Art?)
>      Related:
>      Why are certain sub-genre?s, like Vispo, neglected? [Bob's favorite]
>
> Poetry v. Prose
>      Related:
>      Is the prose-poetry poetry?
>
> Free Verse is just chopped prose in contemporary practice.
>     Related:
>     Is free verse merely the lazy practice of those unwilling/unable to
> master verse technique?
>
> New Formalism: who and what is a new formalist; what does it mean to be a
> new formalist?
>     Related:
>     Is Formalism a conservative movement, both aesthetically and
> politically?
>
> Avant-Gard (or Experimental poetry) v. Mainstream (or Official Verse
> Culture)
>
> The Audience for Poetry: Who are they?
>     Related:
>     Is poetry too difficult for common reader? Would more accessible poetry
> mean more readers?
>     Related:
>     Why does it mean to say poetry is difficult/obscure?
>     Related:
>     Is poetry dead? Who killed poetry?
>     Related:
>     Can poetry be promoted? Value of Nat'l Poetry Month, the Poet
> Laureate?s initiatives, etc.
>
> MFA programs; proliferation of and/or value of?
>     Related:
>     Can poetry writing be taught?
>
> Awards/Prizes: Who is getting the major awards and do they deserve them?
>     Related:
>     Why do certain poets keeping getting awards?
>
> Is Poetry Criticism a dying art?
>     Related:
>     Does aggressively negative criticism (e.g., Wm. Logan) have its place?
>
> Online/WWW vs. Printed Matter/Traditional Poetry Press
>     Related:
>     Are print journals dinosaurs? Are online journals the future of poetry?
>     Related:
>     E-books; POD vs. traditional press runs of 500-1000 printed books.
>     Related:
>     How is technology changing poetry? [see Nic's recent blog project]
>   --
> Finnegan
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
>
> Seems to ebb and flow like the tide. But I suspect that some of what's
> happened is that a lot of what people like to discuss/argue about has been
> done to death.
>
> At 11:05 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
>
> Jeez.  What's with all the eulogies?  Is the patient even dead?
>
> Blogs may have stolen some of the fire, but blogs are more soapbox, more
> pedestal, more "I speak; you listen."  They have their place, but there's
> not the real back&forth of ideas that this sort of list can generate.  And I
> like the back&forth, even when I'm the only one who's right.  Sometimes,
> though, the comments tend too much toward one-liners, which stumble a
> discussion, or summary dismissals, which piss people off.  Also, I've seen
> few extended email comments on crap poetic.  Only quickies.  (That may be
> one thing that is lost to blogs; there's less inclination to pile the crap
> here, especially when the blog needs a good crap pile for the post.)  Still,
> a meaty discussion will get up and push forward regardless.
>
> I know some of you are on multiple lists.  Do they all seem to be suffering
> from the same plague of ennui?  Or are we just a lazy lot?
>
> John J
>
>
>
>
> *From:* "jforjames at aol.com" <jforjames at aol.com>
> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Sent:* Wed, June 30, 2010 10:21:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
>
> Over the years (esp. after 2000) there was more and better poetry-related
> content being built out on the web. More places to visit and to linger over.
> So some drawing away of attention and interest I'm sure occurred. I think
> the novelty of lists in 90s gave them energy...but that novelty had to ebb
> as the web developed. By the mid-2000s lists seemed a little passe when
> compared to other kinds of web expression. If a poet was born after 1970,
> coming to age with the web. I think there is stark difference between email
> list experience and the content & features of the web, blogs, social
> networking, etc.
>
> I never really got into boards which are more structured forms of lists. I
> wonder if the boards are faring better at keeping discussions alive.
> Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Millicent <millb at aol.com>
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Did blogs kill the lists?
>
> There used to be more discussions here.  I am not sure what happened since
> I was never an initiator. But, as I recall there were talks about poetry
> used in lessons and discussions of new books, articles, etc.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
> Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of
> California Press).
> http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of
> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively
> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
> else like it."   John Palattella in *The Nation*
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
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From amyhappens  Thu Jul  1 16:12:22 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jul  1 16:12:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Evermore OIL, evermore POEMS
Message-ID: <631889.72093.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

 Evermore OIL flows, evermore POEMS appear -- 

http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/



 
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+ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ travis-nichols/the-poetry- 
feminaissance_b_607561.html 
+ http://www.pw.org/content/ poets_take_action_in_wake_of_ gulf_coast_disaster  
+ http://poetry.about.com/b/ 2010/06/16/poems-for-the-gulf- of-mexico.htm
+ http://amyking.org
********



      

From jforjames  Thu Jul  1 20:56:35 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  1 20:56:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] What is poetry for?
Message-ID: <8CCE7AA577EB278-3C10-5338@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com>



http://baroqueinhackney.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/thats-what-i-mean-by-the-moment/
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From Opus40-01  Fri Jul  2 10:39:10 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Fri Jul  2 10:39:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] You all inspire me!
In-Reply-To: <789371.873.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <789371.873.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C2E17E8.8010806@opus40.org>

If nothing else -- and I think there's plenty else -- Jim's Poet's 
Bookshelf would have been worth the price of admission. Oh, there was no 
price of admission? Well, it was worth it anyway.

As one of the founding contributing editors, I have not been keeping up 
my end. I'll try and do better. I

donna pecore wrote:
> I just want to let you all know that this list serve, with all its 
> supposed flaws, has served as a source of inspiration and enjoyment to 
> this lurking shadow, especially the arguments. This is what I consider 
> among the best academic discourse I have encountered. I go to panel 
> talks and colloquiums where everyone is too polite, here u all let ur 
> hair down. I am presently completing a read of Axle's Castle by Edmund 
> Wilson (I would have never read this, and would have missed "capture a 
> mayfly moment in amber") and have received many other introductions to 
> many poets and thoughts that I wouldn't have experienced without this 
> list serve. You push me to think-out of the box-pardon the clich? and 
> I want to say thanks and share my latest response to the conversation:
>
> Recovering the Hobby Horse
>
>  
>
> ?discussions on listservs, unlike real conversations, require ?some 
> degree of imagination: otherwise, the result is, to some extent, the 
> "hobby horse" effect: people come back to their favorite subjects 
> obsessively, a default setting. So there are necessarily fallow 
> moments, until someone has a spark of inspiration or makes an effort 
> to come up with something interesting.
>
> Alexander Dickow, New-Poetry Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1
>
>
> Rocking back and forth almost tipping over
>
> until returning
>
> a typewriter?s carriage     
>
> that finds a cadence, the rhythm of communication
>
> sometimes satisfies
>
> but completing the creative urge
>
> or developing into something new
>
> no, not really
>
> and are real conversations any different?
>
> the things I want to talk about
>
> what I know what I love
>
> repeatedly returned to
>
> to expand
>
> like a balloon
>
> stretching our verbal skin
>
> thin
>
> takes awareness
>
> of the default
>
> no your not at fault
>
> but this eye opening awareness of an opportunity
>
> to enter the unknown
>
> becomes the first ingredient
>
> of recovery from the security
>
> the soothing motion
>
> used
>
> to tip the rocking horse 
>
>
> The poet doesn't invent. He listens.
> Jean Cocteau 
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jeancoctea107250.html>
>
> //
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> /Donna Pecore/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From msullivan  Fri Jul  2 14:16:42 2010
From: msullivan (SULLIVAN)
Date: Fri Jul  2 14:16:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The First Poem of Summer
Message-ID: <8B9B895A97D4426BB4E070205AE7B24C@MaryAnnPC>

I just made this one:
http://www.towerjournal.com/summer2010/index.html  
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From anny.ballardini  Fri Jul  2 21:08:42 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri Jul  2 21:08:42 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] You all inspire me!
In-Reply-To: <4C2E17E8.8010806@opus40.org>
References: <789371.873.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C2E17E8.8010806@opus40.org>
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Yes, this list is exceptional. I agree with Donna on every point.
Congratulations to James Finnegan.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:46 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:

> If nothing else -- and I think there's plenty else -- Jim's Poet's
> Bookshelf would have been worth the price of admission. Oh, there was no
> price of admission? Well, it was worth it anyway.
>
> As one of the founding contributing editors, I have not been keeping up my
> end. I'll try and do better. I
>
> donna pecore wrote:
>
>> I just want to let you all know that this list serve, with all its
>> supposed flaws, has served as a source of inspiration and enjoyment to this
>> lurking shadow, especially the arguments. This is what I consider among the
>> best academic discourse I have encountered. I go to panel talks and
>> colloquiums where everyone is too polite, here u all let ur hair down. I am
>> presently completing a read of Axle's Castle by Edmund Wilson (I would have
>> never read this, and would have missed "capture a mayfly moment in amber")
>> and have received many other introductions to many poets and thoughts that I
>> wouldn't have experienced without this list serve. You push me to think-out
>> of the box-pardon the clich? and I want to say thanks and share my latest
>> response to the conversation:
>>
>> Recovering the Hobby Horse
>>
>>
>> ?discussions on listservs, unlike real conversations, require ?some degree
>> of imagination: otherwise, the result is, to some extent, the "hobby horse"
>> effect: people come back to their favorite subjects obsessively, a default
>> setting. So there are necessarily fallow moments, until someone has a spark
>> of inspiration or makes an effort to come up with something interesting.
>>
>> Alexander Dickow, New-Poetry Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1
>>
>>
>> Rocking back and forth almost tipping over
>>
>> until returning
>>
>> a typewriter?s carriage
>> that finds a cadence, the rhythm of communication
>>
>> sometimes satisfies
>>
>> but completing the creative urge
>>
>> or developing into something new
>>
>> no, not really
>>
>> and are real conversations any different?
>>
>> the things I want to talk about
>>
>> what I know what I love
>>
>> repeatedly returned to
>>
>> to expand
>>
>> like a balloon
>>
>> stretching our verbal skin
>>
>> thin
>>
>> takes awareness
>>
>> of the default
>>
>> no your not at fault
>>
>> but this eye opening awareness of an opportunity
>>
>> to enter the unknown
>>
>> becomes the first ingredient
>>
>> of recovery from the security
>>
>> the soothing motion
>>
>> used
>>
>> to tip the rocking horse
>>
>> The poet doesn't invent. He listens.
>> Jean Cocteau <
>> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jeancoctea107250.html>
>>
>> //
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> /Donna Pecore/
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
> --
> Tad Richards
> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul  3 12:14:01 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul  3 12:14:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: new U.S. laureate
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W.S. Merwin is the new Poet Laureate.


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       Department of English
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul  3 15:24:30 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul  3 15:24:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
	States
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Opps, James arrived there first.
And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!


-----Original Message-----
> From: Copper Canyon <wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
> To: jforjames at aol.com
> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
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>   Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
> Poet Laureate of the United States.
> On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet
> Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, *The Shadow of
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> Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul  3 15:30:56 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul  3 15:30:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Your friend DidiMenendez just published something
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        DidiMenendez just uploaded this interesting publication.
    [image:
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<http://issuu.com/DidiMenendez/docs/mipo_smmer2010> MiPOesias Summer 2010
new work by Diego Quiros, Grace Cavalieri, Adam Fieled, Eileen Tabios, Ron
Androla, Edward Nudelm...
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul  3 15:40:26 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul  3 15:40:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A last chance
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Damn.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:56 AM, karen <oedipa at gmail.com> wrote:

> What???  Say it ain't so Jeem!  It's one of my fav mags on the interwebs.
>  Damn.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:59 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
>
>> This is sad news indeed.
>>
>> James Cervantes wrote:
>>
>>> If you have never submitted your writing to The Salt River Review, this
>>> is your last chance, literally.  I will be reading submissions until
>>> mid-September.  The Fall issue will be the last, though SRR will be archived
>>> with its indices up to date.  Submissions go to this address (so far not
>>> hijacked); include genre and your name in the subject line.
>>>
>>> -- Jim
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
>>> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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>> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>>
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>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
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From halvard  Sat Jul  3 16:11:15 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sat Jul  3 16:11:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
	States
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Did Copper Canyon win something?
Oh, right. They might be selling a few
more books.

Hal

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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> Opps, James arrived there first.
> And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Copper Canyon <wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
>> To: jforjames at aol.com
>> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
>> Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>>
>>    [image: Copper Canyon Press]<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=9457233&msgid=245195&act=ZTQR&c=595316&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coppercanyonpress.org%2Findex.cfm>
>>   Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
>> Poet Laureate of the United States.
>> On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet
>> Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
>> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, *The Shadow of
>> Sirius*, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
>> Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>>  [image: W.S. Merwin]
>>    <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=9457233&msgid=245195&act=ZTQR&c=595316&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coppercanyonpress.org>
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>>           [image: visit Copper Canyon Press]<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=9457233&msgid=245195&act=ZTQR&c=595316&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coppercanyonpress.org%2Findex.cfm>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat Jul  3 17:29:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the
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Publishing Merwin was a big risk.

At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>Did Copper Canyon win something?
>Oh, right. They might be selling a few
>more books.
>
>Hal
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
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>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini 
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>Opps, James arrived there first.
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>Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>
>
>Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
>Poet Laureate of the United States.
>
>On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress 
>appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper 
>Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, 
>prose, and translations, including his most 
>recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, 
>winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
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From jforjames  Sat Jul  3 17:34:52 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul  3 17:34:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
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Merwin was once with a NY publishing house. One that got absorbed by Random House. Certainly he could have thrown his lot in with anothe


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Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States


Publishing Merwin was a big risk.

At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:

Did Copper Canyon win something?
Oh, right. They might be selling a few
more books.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini < anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:

Opps, James arrived there first.

And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!



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To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.

Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 




From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>

To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.




Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 



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From jforjames  Sat Jul  3 17:44:21 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul  3 17:44:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
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I need a new laptop or new fingers...
\

Merwin was once with a NY publishing house. One that got absorbed by Random House (actually Macmillan)...
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/12/arts/harry-ford-80-poetry-editor-with-unerring-ear-is-dead.html 
Certainly Merwin could have thrown his lot in with another NY house...but he chose to go with Cooper Canyon, a large small poetry press.
Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States


Publishing Merwin was a big risk.

At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:

Did Copper Canyon win something?
Oh, right. They might be selling a few
more books.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

halvard at gmail.com
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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini < anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:

Opps, James arrived there first.

And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!



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To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.

Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 




From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>

To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.




Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 



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"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The Nation                                            



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To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States


Publishing Merwin was a big risk.

At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:

Did Copper Canyon win something?
Oh, right. They might be selling a few
more books.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini < anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:

Opps, James arrived there first.

And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!



-----Original Message-----

From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>

To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.

Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 




From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>

To: jforjames at aol.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am

Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States



 

Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,

Poet Laureate of the United States.

 

On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.




Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.

 

 

           

 



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From grahamd  Sat Jul  3 19:35:46 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Sat Jul  3 19:35:46 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
Message-ID: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu>

Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on Whitman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it.  


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From halvard  Sat Jul  3 20:00:49 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sat Jul  3 20:00:49 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
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Big risk indeed.

Hal

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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  Publishing Merwin was a big risk.
>
> At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>
> Did Copper Canyon win something?
> Oh, right. They might be selling a few
> more books.
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  Opps, James arrived there first.
> And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
> To: jforjames at aol.com
> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
> Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>
>
> Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
> Poet Laureate of the United States.
>
> On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet
> Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of
> Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
>  Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>
>
>
>
>
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul  3 20:43:10 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul  3 20:43:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
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Hal, I think it is the chilly air in San Miguel...

that logically gives you all this counter_spirit, :-)

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Big risk indeed.
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>  Publishing Merwin was a big risk.
>>
>> At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Did Copper Canyon win something?
>> Oh, right. They might be selling a few
>> more books.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  Opps, James arrived there first.
>> And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
>> To: jforjames at aol.com
>> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
>> Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>>
>>
>> Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
>> Poet Laureate of the United States.
>>
>> On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet
>> Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
>> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of
>> Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
>>  Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  This message was sent from Copper Canyon to jforjames at aol.com. It was
>> sent from: Copper Canyon Press, P.O. BOX 271, Port Townsend, WA 98368. You
>> can modify/update your subscription via the link below.
>> Email Marketing by <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186>
>>
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>>
>> --
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>>  http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
>>  http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>>  http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
>>  http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
>> star!
>> Friedrich Nietzsche
>>
>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
>> Giovenale
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>  Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University
>> of California Press).
>>  http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>>
>> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of
>> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively
>> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
>> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
>> else like it."   John Palattella in *The Nation*
>>
>>
>
>
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http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From jforjames  Sat Jul  3 20:44:20 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul  3 20:44:20 2010
Subject: Fwd: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
	States
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As much as admire W.S. Merwin, this how I wish it would have gone down...

http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-old-poet-laureate.html
 
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From millb  Sat Jul  3 21:23:20 2010
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Date: Sat Jul  3 21:23:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
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For the first time in a long time, I actually have a story to share on the list!  

I am delighted with the choice of Merwin, mostly because of his poetry and his kindness towards me.  

A long time ago--in a distant galaxy far far away.  I was in grad school and very poor and a there was a group of us English MA students who used to meet for omelets.  It was cheaper to go out in the am than for lunch or dinner, and we met usually once a week at the cafeteria or at Eggs Etc or the Omelet Parlor for literary chats and food.

It started as a joke but then became "a thing."

We would bring a book and "have breakfast" with that poet.  

Far and away our group favorites were Neruda and Merwin.  And, it turned into Having Breakfast with Merwin.  We'd read some poetry and then have our meal with his Collected Poems propped up on the table.

During this time, Merwin was scheduled to read in town and a number of us went.  Stupidly, or I don't know? naively? I slipped him a couple poems and told him the story. He signed my book, and for a few years, we exchanged letters--Merwin recommended books for me to read, etc.  


Mill


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:51 pm
Subject: Fwd: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States





As much as admire W.S. Merwin, this how I wish it would have gone down...

http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-old-poet-laureate.html
 
Finnegan


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From halvard  Sat Jul  3 22:55:10 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sat Jul  3 22:55:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
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Oh, I've no objection to Merwin's becoming Poet Laureate,
if that's what you mean, Anny.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hal, I think it is the chilly air in San Miguel...
>
> that logically gives you all this counter_spirit, :-)
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Big risk indeed.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>
>>>  Publishing Merwin was a big risk.
>>>
>>> At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Did Copper Canyon win something?
>>> Oh, right. They might be selling a few
>>> more books.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> Halvard Johnson
>>> ================
>>>
>>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>  Opps, James arrived there first.
>>> And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Copper Canyon < wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
>>> To: jforjames at aol.com
>>> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
>>> Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>>>
>>>
>>> Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
>>> Poet Laureate of the United States.
>>>
>>> On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet
>>> Laureate. Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
>>> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of
>>> Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
>>>  Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  This message was sent from Copper Canyon to jforjames at aol.com. It was
>>> sent from: Copper Canyon Press, P.O. BOX 271, Port Townsend, WA 98368. You
>>> can modify/update your subscription via the link below.
>>> Email Marketing by <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186>
>>>
>>>   Manage your subscription
>>> <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=9457233&l=8604&s=ZTQR&m=245195&c=595316>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>  http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
>>>  http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>>>  http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
>>>  http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
>>> star!
>>> Friedrich Nietzsche
>>>
>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
>>> Giovenale
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>  Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University
>>> of California Press).
>>>  http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>>>
>>> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of
>>> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so
>>> effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States
>>> and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is
>>> nothing else like it."   John Palattella in *The Nation*
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
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> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
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From junction  Sat Jul  3 23:22:02 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sat Jul  3 23:22:02 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the
	United  States
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I'f we're going to have a laureate, shouldn't we 
also have a gentleman of the president's 
bedchamber and the rest? How about a court 
jester? Would that require senate confirmation?

At 01:03 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:
>Oh, I've no objection to Merwin's becoming Poet Laureate,
>if that's what you mean, Anny.
>
>Hal
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
><http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
><http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anny Ballardini 
><<mailto:anny.ballardini at gmail.com>anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hal, I think it is the chilly air in San Miguel...
>
>that logically gives you all this counter_spirit, :-)
>
>On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Halvard Johnson 
><<mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> wrote:
>Big risk indeed.
>
>Hal
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
><http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
><http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Mark Weiss 
><<mailto:junction at earthlink.net>junction at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Publishing Merwin was a big risk.
>
>At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>>Did Copper Canyon win something?
>>Oh, right. They might be selling a few
>>more books.
>>
>>Hal
>>
>>Halvard Johnson
>>================
>>
>>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 
>>
>>
>><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
>><http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>><http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini 
>><<mailto:anny.ballardini at gmail.com> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Opps, James arrived there first.
>>And congratulations to Copper Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Copper Canyon 
>><<mailto:wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org> wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
>>To: <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>jforjames at aol.com
>>Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am
>>Subject: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United States
>>
>>
>>Congratulations to W.S. Merwin,
>>Poet Laureate of the United States.
>>
>>On July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress 
>>appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate. Copper 
>>Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, 
>>prose, and translations, including his most 
>>recent volume of poems, The Shadow of Sirius, 
>>winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
>>Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to 
>>give birth to a dancing star!
>>Friedrich Nietzsche
>>? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
>>vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
>>Giovenale
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>Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of 
>Cuban Poetry (University of California Press).
><http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
>"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's 
>Random House Book of Twentieth Century French 
>Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively 
>broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside 
>the United States and also created a superb 
>collection of foreign poems in English. There is 
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><http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star!
>Friedrich Nietzsche
>
>? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
>vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
>Giovenale
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Poetry (University of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's 
Random House Book of Twentieth Century French 
Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively 
broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the 
United States and also created a superb 
collection of foreign poems in English. There is 
nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
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From anny.ballardini  Sun Jul  4 07:23:44 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun Jul  4 07:23:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] POST III: POETRY AT THE GAMES
Message-ID: <AANLkTilVugRf6iryp1dIipdsQIAUDdcfpzkMK1Y0JrIO@mail.gmail.com>

POST :a review of poetry studies



POST III: POETRY AT THE GAMES


Call For Papers

Issue III of POST: a review of poetry studies, a new online journal of
poetry and poetics, will appear in spring/summer 2011.  It will be edited by
Michael Hinds from The Irish Centre for Poetry Studies at the Mater Dei
Institute, Dublin. POST is primarily a forum for criticism and theory
in the area
of poetry and poetics, but welcomes contributions from across disciplines.
We publish a small number of reviews of critical works and occasional
poems, but do not accept unsolicited poetry submissions.


Terrace chants, race-calls and commentaries, Odes to Gladiators. The
poem or song-text read as a game, as a gamble, as a motivational tactic, as a
call-to-arms, as a competitive slander, as a threat. As freeplay,
foreplay or replay. Contributions are invited of up to c.6000 words on subjects
related to this theme.  Obvious aspects that may be of relevance are: sports
poetry (both found and composed), the poetry of victory and loss, poetry and
play, gender, poetry and the hunt, heroic narrative, nationality and identity,
translation, visual and concrete poetry, poetry in virtual environments,
terrace chanting, playground rites, bingo calling. Contests, prizes,
cheating.
Warfare, phoney and otherwise. The pyrrhic, the bathetic. Pros, ams,
Corinthians, Spartans, Amazons, Afghan horsemen, ice-skaters, steroid abusers,
men-women, women-men, flies to wanton boys. As usual, anything really, from the
announcing of the FA Cup draw to Louis MacNeice?s obscene little
parlour ditties or
Eliot?s game of chess. The issue will also feature other materials, so
if there are examples of found texts (whether video or audio) that you
would like included, please send them in for consideration.



Please send an abstract of around 300 words outlining your proposed
article to michael.hinds at materdei.dcu.ie by September 31st 2010.  Articles will
be available in PDF for printing purposes as well as appearing in web
format, and relevant images or video may be incorporated in articles for the web
version. Finished articles are due by March 1st 2011 and should be
submitted as an attachment in microsoft Word. Consult the POST
stylesheet for more
details at (http://irishcentreforpoetrystudies.materdei.ie/pages/post-a-review-of-p
oetry-studies/post-stylesheet.php)



-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From anny.ballardini  Sun Jul  4 07:29:06 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun Jul  4 07:29:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Chicanos
Message-ID: <AANLkTilx_ovWm2S4jhTgNIucEb8-72GzCwCyuGTrtXN-@mail.gmail.com>

Alma Martinez, coordinator of this project, has asked me to let you
all know about this performance of Zoot Suit.
------------------------------------------------------

Dear colleagues,

Zoot Suit, Luis Valdez?s masterwork set in Los Angeles during the 1943
zoot suit riots, premiered in Mexico City on April 29, 2010. Performed
by the National Theatre Company of Mexico and directed by Valdez, the
production opened to overwhelming critical and public success (see
attachement). To deepen the discussion of this first Chicano play
performed by the National Theatre Company of Mexico, we are organizing
a symposium in conjunction with,

The National Autonomous University of Mexico - UNAM The Center for the
Study of North America ? CISAN UNAM The National Theatre Company of
Mexico - CNT Theatre and Dance Department,
        Pomona College
Department of Chicana and Chicano Studies,
        University of California Santa Barbara

The symposium,
!Esos pachucos, esos chicanos, esos pochos!
The theater of Luis Valdez and his struggle for a  Mexican ?American? identity

is scheduled June 24-26, 2010 at the UNAM Cultural Center. Zoot Suit
closes July 4th. Attached please find the following English
translations of,
         Rationale for the symposium
         Program
         Press Review briefs Zoot Suit
         Poster (in Spanish)

If you are traveling in Mexico or have friends who might be interested
please forward this information.

Sincere regards,

Alma
Coyoacan, Mexico

Alma Martinez, M.F.A., Ph.D.
US-Mexico Project Coordinator Zoot Suit
Department of Theatre and Dance
Pomona College
300 East Bonita Ave.
Claremont, CA  91711

011.52.1.55.4002.2185 - Mexico Direct (when dialed outside of Mexico)

alma.martinez at pomona.edu
www.almamartinez.com


Symposium Rationale

!Esos Pachucos, esos Chicanos, esos Pochos!
The Theatre of Luis Valdez and his Struggle for a Mexican ?American? Identity

The premiere of the Spanish version of Zoot Suit in Mexico City is a
cultural event with immeasurable relevance. Although the play?s roots
are based within Chicano theater, this masterpiece consolidates the
importance of Luis Valdez in the realm of Mexican theater, from a
public and scholarly perspective. The author, whose grandparents are
from the Mexican state of Sonora, is of Yaqui ancestry. Recognized as
the founder of Chicano Theater in the United States, Valdez has had a
highly productive and distinguished career throughout his 50 years as
a playwright, director and social and political activist.  He has
tirelessly focused on and addressed the issues of the Mexican
immigrant in the United States, and in the process, has created a
Pan-American ?Mexican? identity with significant transnational impact.
Given this pinnacle moment in theater, a symposium has been organized
to provide a fundamental space for discussion of the historical
trajectory that marks the staging of Zoot Suit in Mexico City,
produced by the National Theatre Company of Mexico (CNT) and the
National Autonomous University of Mexico(UNAM). It is also the ideal
occasion to recognize and honor the influence and body of work created
and produced by Luis Valdez and his company, El Teatro Campesino, as
well as his legacy in Mexico and Latin America.

The character of the Pachuco in Zoot Suit is the most well known
protagonist in all of Valdez?s work. Symbolically, Valdez references
the farcical portrayal of the ?pachuco? by Mexican comedic actor Tin
Tan as the ?first Chicano?, as well as Octavio Paz?s exaggerated
derogatory characterization. Valdez?s puzzling and conflicted Pachuco
has become an iconic and heroic presence that reverses the United
States? stereotype of the docile and ?invisible? Mexican immigrant as
well as simultaneously challenging the Mexican stereotype of the
?pocho? as an assimilated and acculturated Mexican-American.
Addressing pachucos as political agitators and therefore historically,
precursors of the social-political Chicano movement of the 1960?s,
Valdez stated, ?The struggle of the pachucos of the 1940s was the
beginning of an awakening of consciousness within the Mexican
community in the United States, emphasizing who we were and who we
are.?

Zoot Suit is the first Chicano play presented by the CNT thus we are
honored to welcome a group of Mexican and international academics,
directors, playwrights, actors, and activists. The symposium will
include participants whose work and research examine topics of
relevance in the areas of: Chicano social and political culture,
emigration and immigration, female representation and gender, the
influence of Mexico in the Chicano performance aesthetic and, the role
of Chicano and Mexican Border Theater on recent political events. The
wide and complex range of experiences and expertise that these
presenters contribute provide a fertile ground to discuss the
significance and impact of Luis Valdez and Teatro Chicano in Mexico
and Latin America.


Dr. Alma Mart?nez
Assistant Professor
Pomona College, Claremont, U.S.A.
Mexico-US Zoot Suit Project Coordinator
June 2, 2010, City of Mexico
alma.martinez at pomona.edu



-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From halvard  Sun Jul  4 07:55:34 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun Jul  4 07:55:34 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
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Court jester? Don't we have 99 of them
in the Senate? Even more in the House?

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

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On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  I'f we're going to have a laureate, shouldn't we also have a gentleman of
> the president's bedchamber and the rest? How about a court jester? Would
> that require senate confirmation?
>
>
> At 01:03 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:
>
> Oh, I've no objection to Merwin's becoming Poet Laureate,
> if that's what you mean, Anny.
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  Hal, I think it is the chilly air in San Miguel...
>
> that logically gives you all this counter_spirit, :-)
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Big risk indeed.
>
>  Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net >
> wrote:
>  Publishing Merwin was a big risk.
>
> At 06:19 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote:
>
> Did Copper Canyon win something?
> Oh, right. They might be selling a few
> more books.
>
>  Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> halvard at gmail.com
>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>  http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> wrote: Opps, James arrived there first. And congratulations to Copper
> Canyon Press, Well Deserved!
>
>
>  -----Original Message----- From: Copper Canyon <wsmerwin at coppercanyonpress.org>
> To: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19 am Subject: W.S. Merwin
> named Poet Laureate of the United States
>
>    Congratulations to W.S. Merwin, Poet Laureate of the United States.   On
> July 1, 2010, the Library of Congress appointed W.S. Merwin Poet Laureate.
> Copper Canyon Press is honored to publish his poetry, prose, and
> translations, including his most recent volume of poems, The Shadow of
> Sirius, winner of the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry.
> Please join us in congratulating W.S. Merwin.
>
>
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> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I
> Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich
> Nietzsche
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> California Press).
>  http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
>  "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of
> Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively
> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
> else like it."   John Palattella in The Nation
>
>
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>  http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>  http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
>  http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>  Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of
> California Press).
>  http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of
> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively
> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
> else like it."   John Palattella in *The Nation*
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From anny.ballardini  Sun Jul  4 08:09:37 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun Jul  4 08:09:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Marton Koppany's 'my new book'
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         Dear All,

I'm happy to report that my new book, Modulations, is just out from
Otoliths.

Best wishes,
Marton


*modulations*

M?rton Kopp?ny

52 pages, full color

Page size 7?" x 7?"

Otoliths, 2010

ISBN: 978-0-9807651-2-0

$19.99 (currently with free postage in the U.S.A.)

URL: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/modulations/11269905



Nearly sixty years ago, Charles Olson warned, ?The poet cannot afford to
traffick in any other sign than his ?one?,? preparing the way whether he
knew it or not for M?rton Kopp?ny to take leave of his native Hungarian and
to move into English, where for more than two decades he has been creating
traffic signs with the gleeful abandon of a deranged city planner with an
advanced degree in Dada. Or maybe not so deranged. I read the poems in *
modulations* as perfectly sensible, whether fish are emitting thought
bubbles in the sky, or a table?s legs are deconstructed to show their
essentially asemic nature. Language is our great connecting principle and
Kopp?ny?s language artfully breaks, reduces, and repairs poetry with a
metaphysician?s discomfort matched with a physician?s healing touch. ?*Peter
O'Leary*



There was a time when *pictures* and *writing* were not as separate as they
are today, a time when *the picture* was given not just *to show* but *to
tell;* a sort of ?picture-writing.?  And each ?pictograph? was as an aper?u,
at once an insight into and a brief digest of the thought to be
communicated.  The poet M?rton Kopp?ny has found for himself a form most
becoming of his intuition; each panel here is an aper?u into that space
where *picture* and *writing* are one, *that space where the mind knows the
word in the figure of its substance,* that space that is *language-in-eidos.
*  And so I see Kopp?ny?s panels as ?eidographs,? as urtexts of ?eidetic
poetry.?  ?*Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino, author of The Logoclasody
Manifesto  *



What can you say about . . . except that  . . . with clouds just

where they . . . which is, to say, in short, a master of the . . .,

as well as . . . the.  For instance, the refle . . .  one poem

of the invis. . .  stillness (             ), not to exclude (



                                                                   In
fullest slowest color. ?*Bob Gru . . . n*

* *

The minimalist visual poetry of M?rton Kopp?ny has many qualities lifting it
high and above most visual poetry composed over the last 100 years in any
language. We are fortunate he has chosen to compose in his second language,
American English, wedded to discipline. His manifestations always lean
forward into the new, not a mere recycling of the old and worn out. It
brings smiles, smirks and the belly laugh. It is consistently permeated with
the rare characteristic of awe so many others lack and never reach for. And,
for me, on too many occasions, his visions give me a jealous wish that it
had come my way rather than his. ?*Karl Kempton*






-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From robin.hamilton2  Sun Jul  4 08:19:57 2010
From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Sun Jul  4 08:19:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United
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Court jester? Don't we have 99 of them
in the Senate? Even more in the House?

Hal

Laureate as jester has a long tradition in England -- the first one with us, 
after all, was Henry VIII's vicar from hell, John Skelton.

Robin 


From halvard  Sun Jul  4 09:04:27 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun Jul  4 09:04:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the United 
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Related to Red? Yes, I'm sure.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

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On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Robin Hamilton <
robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Court jester? Don't we have 99 of them
> in the Senate? Even more in the House?
>
> Hal
>
> Laureate as jester has a long tradition in England -- the first one with
> us, after all, was Henry VIII's vicar from hell, John Skelton.
>
> Robin
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Date: Sun Jul  4 10:26:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of the
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Nah, Red was a good Catholic.

At 11:12 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:
>Related to Red? Yes, I'm sure.
>
>Hal
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
><http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
><http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Robin Hamilton 
><<mailto:robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>Court jester? Don't we have 99 of them
>in the Senate? Even more in the House?
>
>Hal
>
>Laureate as jester has a long tradition in England -- the first one 
>with us, after all, was Henry VIII's vicar from hell, John Skelton.
>
>Robin
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Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University 
of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of 
Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so 
effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United 
States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in 
English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
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From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Sun Jul  4 10:39:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of theUnited
	States
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Mark said:

<<
Nah, Red was a good Catholic.
>>

So was John -- well, Catholic anyway, if not necessarily good.  He snuffed it in 1529, and the Act of Supremacy wasn't passed till 1534, so he missed all the fun.

Notoriously anti-Scots, which I find difficult to forgive and forget.

(Jonson owed a fair bit to him in some of his lyrics, not that he'd have admitted it, probably.  Filthy Skelton!!!)

Robin

At 11:12 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:

  Related to Red? Yes, I'm sure.

  Hal

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From junction  Sun Jul  4 11:04:33 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sun Jul  4 11:04:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate of
	theUnited States
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I was thinking more about Skelton as rogue priest and loving father.

Anti-Scots was part of his job description. Which in no way excuses 
him. But fun to read.

At 12:47 PM 7/4/2010, you wrote:
>Mark said:
>
><<
>Nah, Red was a good Catholic.
> >>
>
>So was John -- well, Catholic anyway, if not necessarily good.  He 
>snuffed it in 1529, and the Act of Supremacy wasn't passed till 
>1534, so he missed all the fun.
>
>Notoriously anti-Scots, which I find difficult to forgive and forget.
>
>(Jonson owed a fair bit to him in some of his lyrics, not that he'd 
>have admitted it, probably.  Filthy Skelton!!!)
>
>Robin
>
>At 11:12 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:
>>Related to Red? Yes, I'm sure.
>>
>>Hal
>>
>>Halvard Johnson
>>================
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Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University 
of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of 
Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so 
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States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in 
English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
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From robin.hamilton2  Sun Jul  4 11:11:52 2010
From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Sun Jul  4 11:11:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: W.S. Merwin named Poet Laureate oftheUnited
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<<
I was thinking more about Skelton as rogue priest and loving father.
>>

You mean when he held up his newborn bastard in the pulpit and waved it at 
the congregation?  (Foreshadowing Michael Jackson.)  I'd have said that was 
pretty much par for the course then, if more demonstratively couched than 
might have been usual.

Doctrinally, he was mainstream.

<<
Anti-Scots was part of his job description. Which in no way excuses him. But 
fun to read.
>>

Ibid with Marvell, I suppose.

            :-(

Robin

At 12:47 PM 7/4/2010, you wrote:

Mark said:

<<
Nah, Red was a good Catholic.
>>

So was John -- well, Catholic anyway, if not necessarily good.  He snuffed 
it in 1529, and the Act of Supremacy wasn't passed till 1534, so he missed 
all the fun.

Notoriously anti-Scots, which I find difficult to forgive and forget.

(Jonson owed a fair bit to him in some of his lyrics, not that he'd have 
admitted it, probably.  Filthy Skelton!!!)

Robin

At 11:12 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote:

Related to Red? Yes, I'm sure.

Hal 


From halvard  Sun Jul  4 11:22:59 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun Jul  4 11:22:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Meditation KFN
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAAeRl4MCsqSLskS3acQfwAkcoQgTBSOR9hsis@mail.gmail.com>

Meditation KFN

Everything you?ve
ever thrown or
thought you threw

or else were just
suspicious of,
musclebound as

ever, landed
somewhere over there,
beyond that pail.


Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
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From jeff.newberry  Sun Jul  4 15:17:09 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Sun Jul  4 15:17:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Michael S. Harper
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Can anyone point me to to the essay and/or interview in which Michael S.
Harper discusses "modal" poetry?

Thanks.

Best,
Jeff Newberry

-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that
is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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From robin.hamilton2  Sun Jul  4 16:28:54 2010
From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Sun Jul  4 16:28:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Michael S. Harper
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<<
Can anyone point me to to the essay and/or interview in which Michael S. 
Harper discusses "modal" poetry?

Thanks.

Best,
Jeff Newberry
>>

Modal Aspects of Black Poetry: "The First Act of Liberation Is to Destroy 
One's Cage"
Michael S. Harper
Mississippi Review, Vol. 6, No. 1 (1977), pp. 19-21
(article consists of 3 pages)
Published by: University of Southern Mississippi
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20133433

If this is what you're after, Jeff ...  It's behind JSTOR's paywall.

Robin 


From Opus40-01  Mon Jul  5 11:52:55 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon Jul  5 11:52:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
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Vendler doesn't like the 60s much, does she? And that aversion blinds 
her to everything else.

David Graham wrote:
> Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on 
> Whitman:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1>
>
> I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great 
> deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it.  
>
>
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Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From jforjames  Tue Jul  6 16:10:04 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul  6 16:10:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems & Pictures: A Renaissance in the Art of the Book
	(1946 - 1981)
Message-ID: <8CCEB70468BA54E-1138-43D2@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>


Exhibit open tomorrow thru Sept.11...

http://www.centerforbookarts.org/exhibits/archive/showdetail.asp?showID=201


The Center For Book Arts, NYC
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From jforjames  Tue Jul  6 16:52:29 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul  6 16:52:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: notnostrums
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http://www.notnostrums.com/iss3/toc.php


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From cervantes.james  Tue Jul  6 16:56:34 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jul  6 16:56:34 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] FB scam afoot!
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfKAobC5Jrm8c-7_LNn69dnjXqWVdOiq6x4qG-@mail.gmail.com>

 I just got an e-mail, purportedly from Facebook, that I'd sent a request to
reset my password. I did no such thing. I just now got into Facebook using
my regular password. A scam is afoot!  Beware all FB users.
It looks real and I almost fell for it.



-- Jim
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/
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From cervantes.james  Tue Jul  6 17:00:30 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue Jul  6 17:00:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: notnostrums
In-Reply-To: <8CCEB763203C634-1138-4D01@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCEB763203C634-1138-4D01@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>
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On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>  http://www.notnostrums.com/iss3/toc.php
>
>

Can we review these?  Here?


-- Jim

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
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From jforjames  Tue Jul  6 17:11:39 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul  6 17:11:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Kees feature in APR
Message-ID: <8CCEB78DCC6C888-1138-5038@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>


Once upon time a monthly from Philly 
was our leading poetry magazine.
But the largesse of an heiress named Lilly
made Poetry the real place to be seen.  
--

Still, fans of Weldon Kees' poetry should enjoy the current issue...
https://www.aprweb.org/currentissue
With several essays old and new on the poet...
Here's a quote from the piece by Jos. Brodsky...
http://conjecturesatrandom.blogspot.com/2010/07/negation.html

Finnegan
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From jforjames  Tue Jul  6 17:34:56 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul  6 17:34:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Simile / Metaphor
Message-ID: <8CCEB7C1D726196-1138-530B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>

http://xkcd.com/
A webcomic of romance,
sarcasm, math, and language
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From jforjames  Tue Jul  6 19:46:59 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul  6 19:46:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: notnostrums
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiltwZ0i4m9-itqgmi80iMiYfxB8c8VMhV1Xes7E@mail.gmail.com>
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Disclaimer: Some of these litmag advertised here may have helped me build a pool in my backyard.
Which is greatly appreciated when temps hit 100 degrees in New England.
--
Otherwise, fine, go ahead....
Finnegan

-----Original Message-----
From: James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: notnostrums





On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:


http://www.notnostrums.com/iss3/toc.php
 


Can we review these?  Here?




-- Jim

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org
http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf
http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/


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From jforjames  Wed Jul  7 08:20:37 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul  7 08:20:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Available Once Again: Teaching Wallace Stevens
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From jforjames  Wed Jul  7 08:22:28 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul  7 08:22:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Will W.S. Merwin be the PLOTUS of a bang or a whimper?
Message-ID: <8CCEBF8216A82CC-4F78-8F96@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2010/0702/W.S.-Merwin-What-kind-of-poet-laureate-will-he-be

Each laureate is supposed to promote a greater consciousness of and appreciation for the art form. Yet in reality, some have acted like ceremonial monarchs while others have been vigorous ambassadors/promoters. Robert Pinsky, the most effective laureate to date, had the zeal of an activist and the charisma of a celebrity. The George Clooney of the poetry world, if you will. 

W.S. Merwin, who is now in his 80s, may have ambitious plans that he hasn?t yet revealed. (He?ll be interviewed on NPR Friday night.) But if that?s not the case, his potential to influence writers and the public shouldn?t be dismissed. 


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From seamascain  Wed Jul  7 08:38:44 2010
From: seamascain (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=)
Date: Wed Jul  7 08:38:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The death of Andrei Voznesensky
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVkTaWcvE2QaDIINXwr9QFQFqAFDh1bwGVgPtK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinVkTaWcvE2QaDIINXwr9QFQFqAFDh1bwGVgPtK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-gBNNl0IVBbsmJZjUurnhCRd2q1vu-65wB9bA@mail.gmail.com>

_______________


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/andrei-voznesensky-poet-who-fought-against-artistic-censorship-in-the-soviet-union-2018291.html

Regards,

S?amas Cain
http://seamascain-writernetwork.org

_______________


From jforjames  Wed Jul  7 08:57:05 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul  7 08:57:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Harriet's makeover
Message-ID: <8CCEBFCF3F6B18E-1BD4-1AF@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>


I was a little late to notice but Harriet blog has changed its format. No longer featuring an ever-changing crew of contributors and the comment streams that follow their posts....
--
Last week, the Poetry Foundation announced that they would be changing the format of their blog, Harriet, to focus more on aggregating poetry-related content from around the web instead of doing what they?ve been doing for the past four years or so, namely contracting high profile, outspoken, and often brilliant poets to write original content. Bad move, PoFo. Here?s why.

http://www.barrelhousemag.com/word/?p=2488

And another blog comment...
http://acompulsivereader.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/harriet-changes/


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From chris  Wed Jul  7 11:57:47 2010
From: chris (Chris Lott)
Date: Wed Jul  7 11:57:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Harriet's makeover
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That's a pretty short-sighted, disappointing change.

c

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:05 AM,  <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
> I was a little late to notice but Harriet blog has changed its format. No
> longer featuring an ever-changing crew of?contributors and the comment
> streams that follow their posts....
> --
> Last week, the Poetry Foundation announced that they would be changing the
> format of their blog, Harriet, to focus more on aggregating poetry-related
> content from around the web instead of doing what they?ve been doing for the
> past four years or so, namely contracting high profile, outspoken, and often
> brilliant poets to write original content. Bad move, PoFo. Here?s why.
>
> http://www.barrelhousemag.com/word/?p=2488
>
> And another blog?comment...
> http://acompulsivereader.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/harriet-changes/
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From jforjames  Wed Jul  7 15:06:28 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul  7 15:06:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Harriet's makeover
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilOEL8ShrSG8nhEcRLo6hA7Gq3xndBNZUP5xFbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CCEBFCF3F6B18E-1BD4-1AF@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>
	<AANLkTilOEL8ShrSG8nhEcRLo6hA7Gq3xndBNZUP5xFbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Because the poetryfoundation.org has so much resource and clout the blog certainly attracted a lot attention. And Harriet was surely the noisiest place in their vast webpalace.

I didn't jump in to many of the discussions there, but it did seem to be vibrant spot to check out for the hot poetry debates of the day. Of course some of the comment streams got pretty heated. So maybe they just got tired of policing things, playing 'whack-a-troll'.

Finnegan


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lott <chris at chrislott.org>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Harriet's makeover


That's a pretty short-sighted, disappointing change.
c
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:05 AM,  <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
 I was a little late to notice but Harriet blog has changed its format. No
 longer featuring an ever-changing crew of contributors and the comment
 streams that follow their posts....
 --
 Last week, the Poetry Foundation announced that they would be changing the
 format of their blog, Harriet, to focus more on aggregating poetry-related
 content from around the web instead of doing what they?ve been doing for the
 past four years or so, namely contracting high profile, outspoken, and often
 brilliant poets to write original content. Bad move, PoFo. Here?s why.

 http://www.barrelhousemag.com/word/?p=2488

 And another blog comment...
 http://acompulsivereader.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/harriet-changes/
 _______________________________________________
 New-Poetry mailing list
 New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
 http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


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From grahamd  Wed Jul  7 19:37:24 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Wed Jul  7 19:37:24 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mattea Harvey interviewed
Message-ID: <8A1A49BC-D2CB-48AB-AA30-1075374D3142@ripon.edu>

Mattea Harvey's interview with VERSE WISCONSIN is featured now at Poetry Daily:

http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_harvey.php




========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
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From jforjames  Thu Jul  8 08:02:58 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  8 08:02:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Howl' the movie
Message-ID: <8CCECBE976043A4-4DC4-8FC0@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.philly2philly.com/entertainment/entertainment_articles/2010/7/8/24534/james_franco_and_all_star_cast_interpret_the_wor

By Jim Teti at 1:34 am on Thursday July 8, 2010 

?Howl? is definitely one of the movies to watch at Philadelphia?s Q-Fest. 

James Franco takes in the role of the controversial poet Allen Ginsberg in the new drama, an often revealing and insightful drama about a unique voice that was considered a literary genius by some and irrelevant by others.

The movie plays like a documentary but is actually a scripted film. 


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From jforjames  Thu Jul  8 12:01:50 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  8 12:01:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Art of the Sonnet
Message-ID: <8CCECDFF14DDF57-2A24-1E05@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>


Who has read this? Any comments?...
Finnegan

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8

Starred Review. The sonnet may well be the poetic form that most often comes to mind when anyone thinks of poetry. Fourteen lines long, in open and closed structures, sonnets have been prominent over the past 400 years of poetic history. In this unusual book?half anthology, half collection of essays?Burt and Mikics, both prolific critics of poetry (Burt is also a poet himself) choose 100 sonnets and for each offer a thoughtful, scholarly, though highly accessible commentary. The oldest poem is Thomas Wyatt's Whoso List to Hunt (1557), and the newest is by the contemporary poet D.A. Powell, first published last year. In between, there's everything from Shakespeare and Wordsworth to Robert Lowell and Lucie Brock-Broido. Of Redemption, George Herbert's sonnet about the Resurrection of Christ, Mikics writes, Herbert's Savior... shocks us into attention. Of one of Ted Berrigan's sonnets, Burt says, The disorientation, the wildness, is part of the point: no more organized poem would do. While this anthology would make a wonderful textbook for a prosody class, its best audience may be anyone who wants to delve deeply into the heart of poetry. Learn?d as well as passionate, this book is a delight. (Apr.) 
Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. 
Review

Burt and Mikics have a ravishing breadth of taste and understanding. Their capaciousness allows the sonnet greater variety than its enemies (who think it old-fashioned, retrograde, and reactionary) would allow. A literary tour de force.
--Willard Spiegelman, author of Seven Pleasures: Essays on Ordinary Happiness

Burt and Mikics have gathered together and composed a marvelous book. Both of them give us profound commentaries on particular sonnets and on the genre. I know of no other recent book that so steadily illuminates the riches it invokes." ?Harold Bloom 


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From newpoetry  Thu Jul  8 12:47:04 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jul  8 12:47:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Art of the Sonnet
In-Reply-To: <8CCECDFF14DDF57-2A24-1E05@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCECDFF14DDF57-2A24-1E05@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>
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Haven't read it but I've ordered it now. I've enjoyed Burt's writing when I
come across it.

Thanks for the heads up.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> Who has read this? Any comments?...
> Finnegan
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8
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From newpoetry  Thu Jul  8 13:53:44 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jul  8 13:53:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] still podcasting that mss ...
Message-ID: <AANLkTilAUN6QZHBnpZl5MUeC8X7e2RO1ZwDJGV_RY0IE@mail.gmail.com>

New podcast from Other Voices:?http://bit.ly/9Ho7x2

Other Voices so far:?http://bit.ly/9QL7ZR

1st part?http://bit.ly/aNhv7q

2nd part so far?http://bit.ly/9nGyOa

Enjoy (I hope!)


From jforjames  Thu Jul  8 16:25:54 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  8 16:25:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
In-Reply-To: <4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu>
	<4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>


I don't know if people noticed, but there is a link to an pdf excerpt from ON WHITMAN by CK Williams, section on 'The Music'
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9123.pdf

Vendler quotes and takes issue with this statement by CK Williams...
?All great poems . . . by the way they colonize and amplify and enhance the music of our own inner voices, of consciousness and conscience, ask us to be greater than we are, and if we read them well even show us how to begin.? 

--
It may be a little over-the-top, but it would fit in with those quote Anny has collected: 'What is poetry for?'. (I think that was category.)
Finnegan



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To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman


Vendler doesn't like the 60s much, does she? And that aversion blinds her to everything else. 
 
David Graham wrote: 
> Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on > Whitman: 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 > <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1> 
> 
> I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great > deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it. > 
> 
> ======================================== 
> David Graham 
> grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu> 
> 
> Home Page: 
> http://web.me.com/drjazz 
> 
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> 
> 
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-- Tad Richards 
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! 
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner 
 
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From anny.ballardini  Thu Jul  8 17:57:35 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jul  8 17:57:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
In-Reply-To: <8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu>
	<4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org>
	<8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
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James, thanks, yes, the page is listed under: New Poetry Mailing List
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content

and Why Poetry Exists:
http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1289

at least that is how we called it at the time.



On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> I don't know if people noticed, but there is a link to an pdf excerpt from
> ON WHITMAN by CK Williams, section on 'The Music'
> http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9123.pdf
>  Vendler quotes and takes issue with this statement by CK Williams...
> ?All great poems . . . by the way they colonize and amplify and enhance the
> music of our own inner voices, of consciousness and conscience, ask us to be
> greater than we are, and if we read them well even show us how to begin.?
>  --
> It may be a little over-the-top, but it would fit in with those quote Anny
> has collected: 'What is poetry for?'. (I think that was category.)
> Finnegan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
>
> Vendler doesn't like the 60s much, does she? And that aversion blinds her
> to everything else.
>
> David Graham wrote:
> > Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on >
> Whitman:
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1> <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
> >
> >
> > I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great >
> deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it. >
> >
> > ========================================
> > David Graham
> > grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu <grahamd at ripon.edu?>>
> >
> > Home Page:
> > http://web.me.com/drjazz
> >
> > Poetry Library:
> > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> > ==========================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> -- Tad Richards
> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From anny.ballardini  Thu Jul  8 17:59:34 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu Jul  8 17:59:34 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikytxlZgpwyHzpSG_8i6Ks1I_tg0uwITBwufPMv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu>
	<4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org>
	<8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
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oh well, this time the mail left me instead of James, as it usually does
with him.
Just my wishes for a nice [weekend already?] ...

Anny

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> James, thanks, yes, the page is listed under: New Poetry Mailing List
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content
>
> and Why Poetry Exists:
> http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1289
>
> at least that is how we called it at the time.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  I don't know if people noticed, but there is a link to an pdf excerpt
>> from ON WHITMAN by CK Williams, section on 'The Music'
>> http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9123.pdf
>>  Vendler quotes and takes issue with this statement by CK Williams...
>> ?All great poems . . . by the way they colonize and amplify and enhance
>> the music of our own inner voices, of consciousness and conscience, ask us
>> to be greater than we are, and if we read them well even show us how to
>> begin.?
>>  --
>> It may be a little over-the-top, but it would fit in with those quote Anny
>> has collected: 'What is poetry for?'. (I think that was category.)
>> Finnegan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
>> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <
>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:01 pm
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
>>
>> Vendler doesn't like the 60s much, does she? And that aversion blinds her
>> to everything else.
>>
>> David Graham wrote:
>> > Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on >
>> Whitman:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1> <
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great >
>> deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it. >
>> >
>> > ========================================
>> > David Graham
>> > grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu <grahamd at ripon.edu?>>
>> >
>> > Home Page:
>> > http://web.me.com/drjazz
>> >
>> > Poetry Library:
>> > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
>> > ==========================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > New-Poetry mailing list
>> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>> >
>> -- Tad Richards
>> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>>
>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From junction  Thu Jul  8 18:08:29 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Thu Jul  8 18:08:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Art of the Sonnet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilo-k-BfPioyU-7edH_o9B3WEsjYTc7smWQKZQ8@mail.gmail.c
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Let us know if there's a general thesis.


At 02:55 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote:
>Haven't read it but I've ordered it now. I've enjoyed Burt's writing 
>when I come across it.
>
>Thanks for the heads up.
>
>On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, 
><<mailto:jforjames at aol.com>jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>Who has read this? Any comments?...
>Finnegan
>
><http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8>http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>New-Poetry mailing list
>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry

Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University 
of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of 
Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so 
effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United 
States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in 
English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
Nation
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From junction  Thu Jul  8 18:09:26 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Thu Jul  8 18:09:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Art of the Sonnet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilo-k-BfPioyU-7edH_o9B3WEsjYTc7smWQKZQ8@mail.gmail.c
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References: <8CCECDFF14DDF57-2A24-1E05@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>
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I should be clearer: if there's a general thesis that sets the sonnet 
apart in some way from any poem that happens to be 14 lines long and 
that covers the field.

At 02:55 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote:
>Haven't read it but I've ordered it now. I've enjoyed Burt's writing 
>when I come across it.
>
>Thanks for the heads up.
>
>On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, 
><<mailto:jforjames at aol.com>jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>Who has read this? Any comments?...
>Finnegan
>
><http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8>http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>New-Poetry mailing list
>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry

Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University 
of California Press).
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland

"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of 
Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so 
effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United 
States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in 
English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The 
Nation
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From jforjames  Thu Jul  8 18:18:58 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul  8 18:18:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
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'Why poetry exists' works for me. If it 'exists' it means, by natural selection, it was 'for' life, even if only its own. 
Thanks, Anny.

Finnegan



-----Original Message-----
From: Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman


James, thanks, yes, the page is listed under: New Poetry Mailing List
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content

and Why Poetry Exists:
http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1289

at least that is how we called it at the time.




On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

I don't know if people noticed, but there is a link to an pdf excerpt from ON WHITMAN by CK Williams, section on 'The Music'
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9123.pdf

Vendler quotes and takes issue with this statement by CK Williams...
?All great poems . . . by the way they colonize and amplify and enhance the music of our own inner voices, of consciousness and conscience, ask us to be greater than we are, and if we read them well even show us how to begin.? 

--
It may be a little over-the-top, but it would fit in with those quote Anny has collected: 'What is poetry for?'. (I think that was category.)
Finnegan





-----Original Message-----
From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman


Vendler doesn't like the 60s much, does she? And that aversion blinds her to everything else. 
 
David Graham wrote: 
> Helen Vendler fairly condescendingly reviews CK Williams's new book on > Whitman: 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 > <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/books/review/Vendler-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1> 
> 
> I'm reading the Williams book now, and personally I think it's a great > deal better & more subtle than Vendler's account of it. > 
> 
> ======================================== 
> David Graham 
> grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu> 
> 
> Home Page: 
> http://web.me.com/drjazz 
> 
> Poetry Library: 
> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html 
> ========================================== 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> New-Poetry mailing list 
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry 
>  
-- Tad Richards 
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! 
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner 
 
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ 
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ 
 
_______________________________________________ 
New-Poetry mailing list 
New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry 



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-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale



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From newpoetry  Thu Jul  8 19:35:53 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Thu Jul  8 19:35:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Art of the Sonnet
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Will do.

On Jul 8, 2010, at 20:18, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I should be clearer: if there's a general thesis that sets the sonnet apart in some way from any poem that happens to be 14 lines long and that covers the field.
> 
> At 02:55 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote:
>> Haven't read it but I've ordered it now. I've enjoyed Burt's writing when I come across it. 
>> 
>> Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>> Who has read this? Any comments?...
>> Finnegan
>>  
>> http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sonnet-Stephen-Burt/dp/0674048148/ref=pd_ys_home_shvl_8 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). 
> http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
> 
> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it."   John Palattella in The Nation                                            
> _______________________________________________
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From obodooha  Fri Jul  9 13:21:09 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Fri Jul  9 13:21:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Pen-staking Convergence
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGdvzxsc2zCsOjAn2hGWoz4VKNzUa517zX_E-7@mail.gmail.com>

*A Pen-staking Convergence<http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence>
*

*http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence*

by

*Obododimma Oha *



My pen is bigger than yours

My penis bigger than yours

My penisbigger than yours

My penisbiggerthan yours

My penisbiggerthanyours

Mypenisbiggerthanyours

-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul 10 16:28:56 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul 10 16:28:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Pen-staking Convergence
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikGdvzxsc2zCsOjAn2hGWoz4VKNzUa517zX_E-7@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>

Obododimma! I know it is hot but I thought you were a serious guy!


On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com> wrote:

> *A Pen-staking Convergence<http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence>
> *
>
> *
> http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence
> *
>
> by
>
> *Obododimma Oha *
>
>
>
> My pen is bigger than yours
>
> My penis bigger than yours
>
> My penisbigger than yours
>
> My penisbiggerthan yours
>
> My penisbiggerthanyours
>
> Mypenisbiggerthanyours
>
> --
> Obododimma Oha
> http://udude.wordpress.com/
>
> Dept. of English
> University of Ibadan
> Nigeria
>
> &
>
> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
> University of Ibadan
>
> Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
>             +234 805 350 6604;
>             +234 808 264 8060.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From millb  Sat Jul 10 19:11:56 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Sat Jul 10 19:11:56 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Review of book and anecdote about Merwin
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Hi,
 
Just wanted to share a couple of reviews about my poetry book Woman on a Shaky Bridge--
 
And a quirky anecdote about our new Poet Laureate WS Merwin (originally posted on New Poetry)
 
Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
 
--Mill
 

 
By David Cooper New York Journal of Books
http://current.com/1b8d84c
 
By Michael Northern Word Gathering (a journal of disability poetry)
http://www.wordgathering.com/issue14/book_reviews/reviews14.html
 
 
Breakfast with Merwin (encounter with new Poet Laureate)
http://poetry.about.com/u/sty/poetsbynamem/Encounters-With-W-S-Merwin-And-His-Poems/Having-Breakfast-With-Merwin.htm


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From chris  Sat Jul 10 20:36:27 2010
From: chris (Chris Lott)
Date: Sat Jul 10 20:36:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Pen-staking Convergence
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikGdvzxsc2zCsOjAn2hGWoz4VKNzUa517zX_E-7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinI_kRL8iL3KBGigjE5x1rRXScwUycjANwqnB6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Reminds me of the unfortunate address for a fountain pen site:
http://penisland.com/ ...

c

On Saturday, July 10, 2010, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
> Obododimma! I know it is hot but I thought you were a serious guy!
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> A Pen-staking Convergence?<http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence>
>
> http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence
>
> by
> Obododimma Oha
>
>
> My pen is bigger than yours
>
> My penis bigger than yours
>
> My penisbigger than yours
>
> My penisbiggerthan yours
>
> My penisbiggerthanyours
>
> Mypenisbiggerthanyours
> --
> Obododimma Oha
> http://udude.wordpress.com/
>
> Dept. of English
> University of Ibadan
> Nigeria
>
> &
>
> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
> University of Ibadan
>
> Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
> ? ? ? ? ? ? +234 805 350 6604;
> ? ? ? ? ? ? +234 808 264 8060.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>


From obodooha  Sun Jul 11 03:41:25 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Sun Jul 11 03:41:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Pen-staking Convergence
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikGdvzxsc2zCsOjAn2hGWoz4VKNzUa517zX_E-7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil_W5BnXNT9tVinVE_1vvi9NOqFHlC0_y9OIFNB@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to escape from seriousness, Anny! A life of seriousness isn't really
very interesting.
Best,
Obododimma.


On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> Obododimma! I know it is hot but I thought you were a serious guy!
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *A Pen-staking Convergence<http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence>
>> *
>>
>> *
>> http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence
>> *
>>
>> by
>>
>> *Obododimma Oha *
>>
>>
>>
>> My pen is bigger than yours
>>
>> My penis bigger than yours
>>
>> My penisbigger than yours
>>
>> My penisbiggerthan yours
>>
>> My penisbiggerthanyours
>>
>> Mypenisbiggerthanyours
>>
>> --
>> Obododimma Oha
>> http://udude.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Dept. of English
>> University of Ibadan
>> Nigeria
>>
>> &
>>
>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
>> University of Ibadan
>>
>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
>>             +234 805 350 6604;
>>             +234 808 264 8060.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> Giovenale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.
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From obodooha  Sun Jul 11 03:44:59 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Sun Jul 11 03:44:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Pen-staking Convergence
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinI_kRL8iL3KBGigjE5x1rRXScwUycjANwqnB6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikGdvzxsc2zCsOjAn2hGWoz4VKNzUa517zX_E-7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim2gCRYxAIJpJbRkIrvKzhvHP_PUaVqlxhYfWC_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinI_kRL8iL3KBGigjE5x1rRXScwUycjANwqnB6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7xe105LTQ3K2I-mHklDZtRYk4yEecM5XZfJz8@mail.gmail.com>

This is it! A site that is already a sight. I like the name.
Obododimma.


On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Chris Lott <chris at chrislott.org> wrote:

> Reminds me of the unfortunate address for a fountain pen site:
> http://penisland.com/ ...
>
> c
>
> On Saturday, July 10, 2010, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Obododimma! I know it is hot but I thought you were a serious guy!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A Pen-staking Convergence <
> http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence
> >
> >
> >
> http://open.salon.com/blog/obododimma/2010/07/07/a_pen-staking_convergence
> >
> > by
> > Obododimma Oha
> >
> >
> > My pen is bigger than yours
> >
> > My penis bigger than yours
> >
> > My penisbigger than yours
> >
> > My penisbiggerthan yours
> >
> > My penisbiggerthanyours
> >
> > Mypenisbiggerthanyours
> > --
> > Obododimma Oha
> > http://udude.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Dept. of English
> > University of Ibadan
> > Nigeria
> >
> > &
> >
> > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
> > University of Ibadan
> >
> > Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
> >             +234 805 350 6604;
> >             +234 808 264 8060.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anny Ballardini
> > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
> > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> > Friedrich Nietzsche
> >
> > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
> > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
> > Giovenale
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>



-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.
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From amyhappens  Mon Jul 12 14:11:58 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jul 12 14:11:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] YOUR OWN REVOLUTION: POETRY, PUBLISHING & THE INTERNET
Message-ID: <928611.32961.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

WHAT WOULD WOOLF AND WHITMAN DO?
(A PRACTICAL PRIMER)


?This is the beauty of the new media.  There is no way to control it.? ?Srdja 
Popovic


Cont -- 
http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/your-own-revolution-poetry-publishing-the-internet/



      


From amyhappens  Mon Jul 12 14:50:57 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jul 12 14:50:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Goodbye -- Transfer of the Stain Series! [& Popsickle
	Literary Festival, July 24 & 25]
Message-ID: <176926.14693.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Dear Stain-goers,

Before we tell you all about the next poetry extravaganza from Stain, we have an 
exciting announcement for you. As of 2011, Stain of Poetry will be directed by 
three brilliant new curators: the poets STEVEN KARL, ERIKA MOYA, and CHRISTIE 
ANN REYNOLDS. The Stain of Poetry founder Amy King & her co-director Ana 
Bo?i?evi? ? ie, we ? will bow out to focus on our new books and on editing the 
soon-to-launch e-journal ESQUE.



Our incoming trio of curators will introduce themselves to you at POPSICKLE: A 
FESTIVAL OF LITERARY ARTS on July 24 & 25, where they will host the Stain 
portion of the readings, as well as at regularly scheduled Stain readings 
throughout the summer and fall. Don?t worry, we (Amy and Ana) will be around 
till the close of year, so there will be plenty of opportunity to raise glasses 
of sake lemonade together. We are so excited to welcome Steven, Erika & Christie 
Ann to Stain of Poetry!



The next Stain reading will be part of POPSICKLE: A FESTIVAL OF LITERARY ARTS:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=108175169234412



POPSICKLE 2010 unites Brooklyn?s literary curators for a two-day festival of 
readings, performances and screenings. The festival will take place on July 24th 
and 25th, from 3-8 PM on Saturday July 24th & 1-5 PM on Sunday July 25th.

POPSICKLE will take place at Bushwick?s beloved MARKET HOTEL at 1142 Myrtle Ave, 
Brooklyn.

Readers for the Festival include:

BEN FAMA, BRETT PRICE & DANI LEVENTHAL, CARTER EDWARDS, DAN MAGERS, EDDIE 
HOPELY, EMILY PETTIT, EVAN BURTON, GINA ABELKOP, JAMES COPELAND, JOSHUA MEHIGAN, 
LAUREN, RUSSELL, LEIGH STEIN, MARC NASDOR, MICHAEL BARRON, NATALIE LYALIN, 
NICOLE TRIGG, PAIGE TAGGART, TIMOTHY DONNELLY AND MORE.

Curated by the series organizers of the following: Body Actualized Control, The 
Bushwick Reading Series, CROWD, POETRY Time at SPACE SPACE, STAIN, and 
SUPERMACHINE.

Show up on July 24th and 25 for Bushwick?s first monster literary festival, and 
visithttp://www.facebook.com/l/c3ff5xqDTBno9JXYyBy5r_VYnTg;HTTP://POPSICKLEFESTIVAL.BLOGSPOT.COM/ for
 updates.

Cheers,

Amy & Ana
********
Juice  + http://amyking.org

********



      


From obodooha  Mon Jul 12 23:22:47 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:22:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Naked Truth
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxEFIXaEBLgTvnk_H485Ewz5KqfaIW24ZczZ-c@mail.gmail.com>

"The metaphors used in describing the aesthetics of the naked body in those
days suggested the people?s innocent appreciation of the pleasures of being
in the flesh. The pubic hair that was rich and exuberant was called the ?ozo
ebule,? the mane of the ram. The woman?s breasts that were firm and ready
were described as the ripe udala fruit. Naked bodies of humans always
stimulated the creative sensibility and provided a language that said things
beyond taboo."

Read the rest of "The Naked
Truth<http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/Columns/5593034-182/story.csp>"
at:
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/Columns/5593034-182/story.csp

-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.
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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jul 13 09:03:20 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jul 13 09:03:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Ten questions on poets & technology - John Vick
In-Reply-To: <8CCE5030316CA4F-DF4-DFD@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE5030316CA4F-DF4-DFD@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT135-w16450174417A82823F9C1480B90@phx.gbl>


John Vick responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology - http://bit.ly/abA09TBest, NicNic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com









 		 	   		  
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From amyhappens  Tue Jul 13 13:23:25 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jul 13 13:23:25 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] CFW - Interfictions Zero
Message-ID: <69600.82876.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Underwood Erin 

Hi Amy,

My name is Erin Underwood and I'm the Vice President of the Interstitial 
Arts Foundation. We've published two anthologies of interstitial literature. 
Now, we're putting together another collection called Interfictions Zero, 
which will be published online as a collection of essays that examine 
literature of all types that was considered interstitial at the time of 
its publication.

Call for submissions 
-- http://www.interstitialarts.org/projects/interfictions0.php  

 
********
Poetry, Publishing, Women & the Internet 
+ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/your-own-revolution-poetry-publishing-the-internet/ 


Poets for Living Waters
+ http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ 
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From amyhappens  Tue Jul 13 13:24:46 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jul 13 13:24:46 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] CFW -- call for submissions
Message-ID: <25976.30875.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Katerina Stoykova-Klemer 

Call for submissions: Accents Publishing, an independent press for brilliant 
voices (http://www.accents-publishing.com/), seeks poems of up to 50 words for 
an anthology of very short poems, edited by Katerina Stoykova-Klemer. Previously 
published work is accepted if credited. Send submissions, along with short bio, 
in the body of an e-mail to accents.publishing at gmail.com

 ********
Poetry, Publishing, Women & the Internet 
+ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/your-own-revolution-poetry-publishing-the-internet/ 



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From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 13 18:06:59 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 13 18:06:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
In-Reply-To: <8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu><4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org>
	<8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C3D10CB.2000606@nut-n-but.net>

As you might guess, I consider it bs.  It also suggests something
I (and, I believe, Vendler) opposes: the idea is or should be
utilitarian--not something that gives pleasure but something
that puritanically makes us greater.

--Bob

From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 13 18:27:10 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 13 18:27:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman--correction
In-Reply-To: <4C3D10CB.2000606@nut-n-but.net>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu><4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org><8CCED04D5236211-1C34-210B@webmail-d069.
	sysops.aol.com> <4C3D10CB.2000606@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <4C3D1588.1040300@nut-n-but.net>

Bob Grumman wrote:
> As you might guess, I consider it bs.  It also suggests something
> I (and, I believe, Vendler) opposes: the idea POETRY is or should be
> utilitarian--not something that gives pleasure but something
> that puritanically makes us greater.
>
> --Bob
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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>


From chris  Tue Jul 13 18:45:14 2010
From: chris (Chris Lott)
Date: Tue Jul 13 18:45:14 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman--correction
In-Reply-To: <4C3D1588.1040300@nut-n-but.net>
References: <964F2548-F8F3-4178-9DAC-01AE333C43A7@ripon.edu>
	<4C321DE0.6070804@opus40.org> <4C3D10CB.2000606@nut-n-but.net>
	<4C3D1588.1040300@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilw3LzK0HdyECn_Y7LIglZS8EPG587DZ_qORG5B@mail.gmail.com>

I think pleasure hedonistically makes us greater. Go POETRY.

c

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:
> Bob Grumman wrote:
>>
>> As you might guess, I consider it bs. ?It also suggests something
>> I (and, I believe, Vendler) opposes: the idea POETRY is or should be
>> utilitarian--not something that gives pleasure but something
>> that puritanically makes us greater.
>>
>> --Bob
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>


From ccooley  Wed Jul 14 12:22:52 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Wed Jul 14 12:22:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Vendler on CK Williams on Whitman
Message-ID: <AANLkTilPt8WFs3-IPgHYnB2R-hU8ywre1LjMq2csNFg5@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think Helen understands the true meaning of Poetic License: the use
of poetry for seduction. This is both utilitarian and pleasurable. Ovid
understood and I love him for it.

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:54:44 -0800
From: Chris Lott <chris at chrislott.org>
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Vendler on CK Williams on
       Whitman--correction
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,  Views"
       <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID:
       <AANLkTilw3LzK0HdyECn_Y7LIglZS8EPG587DZ_qORG5B at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I think pleasure hedonistically makes us greater. Go POETRY.

c

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
wrote:
> Bob Grumman wrote:
>>
>> As you might guess, I consider it bs.  It also suggests something
>> I (and, I believe, Vendler) opposes: the idea POETRY is or should be
>> utilitarian--not something that gives pleasure but something
>> that puritanically makes us greater.
>>
>> --Bob
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>
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From jforjames  Wed Jul 14 17:22:33 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 14 17:22:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Allen Ginsberg's writing slogans
Message-ID: <8CCF1C3E64C7AC7-C10-93A@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/writer-wednesday-the-best_n_644946.html
Writer Wednesday: The Best Writing Tips Ever, From Allen Ginsberg

It's #WriterWednesday and to honor that, we're bringing you Allen Ginsberg's writing slogans. They are some of the best tips we've ever seen. We'd love to hear what you think, and if you find them useful. 



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From jforjames  Wed Jul 14 18:41:05 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 14 18:41:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] beautiful things wondered into while in Boston 
Message-ID: <8CCF1CED5B7A9E7-C10-153F@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.puckergallery.com/kmatsuzaki.html
 
I spent twenty years throwing on the wheel, but eventually I left it to hand-build, one-by-one, the forms I had in my heart. I began to think that it was important to first know what I wanted to make and only then worry about developing the techniques by which to achieve it.
 
--Ken Matsuzaki, Burning Tradition: Ceramics of Ken Matsuzaki, exhibit catalogue Pucker Gallery in Boston, June 2008, translated by Andrew L. Maske
http://www.puckergallery.com/Matsuzaki%20Catalogue%202.pdf

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From amyhappens  Thu Jul 15 15:36:16 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Thu Jul 15 15:36:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] OIl at 3:25 p.m. Today...
Message-ID: <704230.12055.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

As of 3:25 p.m. TODAY the oil flow has supposedly stopped 

-- 
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/gulf-oil-spill-bps-cap-success-oil-stops/story?id=11173330 


But the poems have not -- http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/



********
Poetry, Publishing, Women & the Internet 
+ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/your-own-revolution-poetry-publishing-the-internet/ 




Poets for Living Waters
+ http://poetsgulfcoast.wordpress.com/ 
********



      

From jforjames  Fri Jul 16 08:00:17 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jul 16 08:00:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] E-books don't toe the poetic line
Message-ID: <8CCF307B925083A-15E4-A4AC@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-e-book-ugly-stick_b_646643.html
As sales of e-books on various platforms continue to rise -- Publisher's Weekly reported a 176% increase over the past year -- poetry appears to be getting lost in the shuffle. 

Hillel Italie filed a story this week for the AP detailing how contemporary poetry is not only underrepresented in the e-book marketplace, but formatted poorly when it finally makes it in:

Billy Collins, one of the country's most popular poets, had never seen his work in e-book form until he recently downloaded his latest collection on his Kindle. 

He was unpleasantly surprised.



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From junction  Fri Jul 16 08:12:09 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Fri Jul 16 08:12:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] E-books don't toe the poetic line
In-Reply-To: <8CCF307B925083A-15E4-A4AC@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCF307B925083A-15E4-A4AC@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1OZlnc-0000VM-2h@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Check out Shearsman Books' ebooks, all free for the downloading, at 
http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks/ebooks_home.html to see 
how it should be done. While you're at it, there are two of mine, 
Different Birds and my rtranslation of Virgilio Pinera's La isla en 
peso, and one by my stepson Carlos Blackburn, Portraits.

At 10:10 AM 7/16/2010, you wrote:
><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-e-book-ugly-stick_b_646643.html>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-e-book-ugly-stick_b_646643.html
>As sales of e-books on various platforms continue to rise -- 
>Publisher's Weekly reported a 176% increase over the past year -- 
>poetry appears to be getting lost in the shuffle.
>
>Hillel Italie filed a story this week for the AP detailing how 
>contemporary poetry is not only underrepresented in the e-book 
>marketplace, but formatted poorly when it finally makes it in:
>
>Billy Collins, one of the country's most popular poets, had never 
>seen his work in e-book form until he recently downloaded his latest 
>collection on his Kindle.
>He was unpleasantly surprised.
>
>_______________________________________________
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From halvard  Fri Jul 16 09:04:31 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Fri Jul 16 09:04:31 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] E-books don't toe the poetic line
In-Reply-To: <8CCF307B925083A-15E4-A4AC@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCF307B925083A-15E4-A4AC@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcglLkklN7pY69qO2RdCuWmXcrb2MAmrVApjPW@mail.gmail.com>

It should be mentioned that there are plenty
of print books that do not, or can not, present
poetry as envisioned by the poets: long lines
broken in two, or three; stanza breaks that
are indistinguishable from page breaks; etc.
etc. etc. Not to mention journals that still
crowd as many poems as they can onto a
single page.

Hal

Halvard Johnson
================

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org





On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:10 AM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/the-e-book-ugly-stick_b_646643.html
> As sales of e-books on various platforms continue to rise -- Publisher's
> Weekly reported a 176% increase over the past year -- poetry appears to be
> getting lost in the shuffle.
>
> Hillel Italie filed a story this week for the AP detailing how contemporary
> poetry is not only underrepresented in the e-book marketplace, but formatted
> poorly when it finally makes it in:
>
> Billy Collins, one of the country's most popular poets, had never seen his
> work in e-book form until he recently downloaded his latest collection on
> his Kindle.
>  He was unpleasantly surprised.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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From obodooha  Fri Jul 16 14:55:44 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Fri Jul 16 14:55:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] CONTEXT, Volume 13, Number 1, March 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTimp9M8OFDbCBfSblCo_IGHKDNt7iK-yhSbm6HKm@mail.gmail.com>

The current issue of *CONTEXT: Journal of Social & Cultural
Studies<http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/current-issue/>
* (ISSN 1119 -- 9229) is now available. Contributors to this edition are:
Jen Westmoreland Bouchard, John M. Bennett, Judith E. Johnson, Ayo Kehinde,
Sarala Krishnamurthy, Biko Agozino, Tim Mayo, Francis Raven, Ifeyinwa Okolo,
Alexander Kure, Sule E. Egya, Abdullahi M. Ashafa, Mukhtar U. Bunza, and
Musa Idris Okpanachi.

-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.
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From jforjames  Sat Jul 17 07:31:22 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul 17 07:31:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Gloucester Writers House
Message-ID: <8CCF3CCDA214E62-1A84-8321@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>


GLOUCESTER WRITERS CENTER
Contact: henry.ferrini at verizon.net or 978-281-2355
(Peter Anastas, Charles Olson and Vincent Ferrini, left to right,
at 126 East Main Street c.1965. Mark Power photograph)
 
Gloucester may soon be home to a new cultural and literary center.

When Gloucester?s Poet Laureate Vincent Ferrini died on Christmas Eve 2007, many of
his friends in Gloucester and around the world hoped his house could be purchased and
turned into a center where artistic activities could be shared with the community. Today
this idea is very close to becoming a reality.
 
Plans are progressing to establish The Gloucester Writers Center at the Ferrini house in
Gloucester, Massachusetts. This former home of Vincent Ferrini (1913-2007) lies across
the harbor from Charles Olson?s (1910-1970) 28 Fort Square home. These two poets,
known as the consciences of our city for over half a century, wrote about Gloucester with
enlightened passion and energy. Organizers of this project believe it is only fitting that a
place that honors their work and keeps their vision alive be established.
 
Since Ferrini?s death Paul Sawyer, an old friend of Vincent?s who lives in California, has
been advocating for the purchase of the house. This spring, Sawyer, a Unitarian-
Universalist Minister, called Vincent?s nephew filmmaker Henry Ferrini to report that he
has Pancreatic Cancer and has been given a year to live. With that time he wanted to put
his energy toward helping to create a Vincent Ferrini/ Charles Olson Writers Center at
Vincent?s East Main Street studio. The poet?s nephew was moved by Reverend Sawyer?s
decision.
 
?His decision has motivated many people close to Vincent, Charles and Paul to
work toward creating an innovative educational and cultural organization that will be a
lasting asset to Gloucester.? Ferrini said.
 
To date the group has raised $84,900 toward the purchase price of $100,000.
According to Ferrini, the timing and situation for this project couldn?t be better.?
 
? Raising the $100,000 means we?ll be mortgage free and tax-exempt, an enviable
position for any organization. The Center can live on in perpetuity with out much
overhead. Plus 2010 is Charles Olson?s Centenary,? he says, ?and attention is focused on
Olson and Gloucester.?
 
The group hopes that by the time Gloucester celebrates Olson?s centenary in
October the house will be open to tour. Tax-deductible contributions for the
establishing of the Ferrini Olson Writers Center can be made to the Charles Olson
Society and sent to Henry Ferrini, 5 Wall Street, Gloucester, MA 01930
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From jforjames  Sat Jul 17 08:00:12 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul 17 08:00:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Youth Poetry Slam on HBO
Message-ID: <8CCF3D0E631D857-DD8-15B2C@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021874.html?categoryId=14&cs=1
Most poetry competitions don't attract the attention of HBO. But then most poetry competishes don't attract 600 teenagers from across the country and Russell Simmons as exec producer of a 90-minute special on the finals.

Brave New Voices' International Youth Poetry Slam kicks off today as the participants convene in Los Angeles for five days of slams, conferences and workshops at various locations. The finals will be held Friday at the Saban Theater, emceed by rapper Common and judged by a panel of celebs including Rosario Dawson and Hill Harper.

Youth Speaks, a San Francisco-based arts education nonprofit, organizes the fest, now in its 13th year.

"If the American public is interested in what teenagers from across the country are thinking about and talking about, this is the place to see it," said James Kass, founder and exec director of Youth Speaks.

The HBO spesh is a follow-up to the cabler's seven-part series tracking the regional competitions of teams hoping to make the cut for the fest. 

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From jforjames  Sun Jul 18 19:50:22 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jul 18 19:50:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Canada's Confederation poets
Message-ID: <8CCF4FD4F6B7B0E-16EC-23CC4@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>

http://canlit.ca/reviews.php?id=15246

Important English and American critical essays have been collected and anthologized to the point that many are now as canonical as the poetry they discuss: Hogg notes Wordsworth?s preface to the second edition of Lyrical Ballads and Whitman?s various prefaces to Leaves of Grass as well-known examples. Unfortunately, as Hogg emphasizes, the same cannot be said of Canadian poetic theory. Many significant poetic statements of the last two centuries remain ?disparate and uncontextualized? and, in the case of those not commonly included in poetry anthologies, obscure. This inaugural volume in a series planned to span the 19th and 20th centuries contains thirty-one essays on poetics written by five members of the group Hogg identifies as Canada?s first school of poetry: the Confederation poets Wilfred Campbell, Sir Charles G.D. Roberts, Bliss Carman, Archibald Lampman, and Duncan Campbell Scott.

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From eposamentier  Mon Jul 19 09:58:55 2010
From: eposamentier (Evelyn Posamentier)
Date: Mon Jul 19 09:58:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Notes from a Chronic Lurker
Message-ID: <243731.42607.qm@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>






Dear New Poet-ers,
?
I welcome you all to look at and enjoy my brainopgraphy --
?
(And thank you for tolerating lurkers):
?
?
?

The new ebook from Argotist Ebooks is ?Brainiography? by Evelyn Posamentier 
? 
Description: 
? 
In ?Brainiography? Evelyn Posamentier creates a dreamscape in which objects become animate and humans objectified, both inhabiting a marginal realm between physical and virtual dimensions. In language that is neither pre-modern nor postmodern, a compelling narrative brings language to a turning point. Here is poetry responsive to encounters with world and technology?brutal and immediate. A new form of witness. 
? 
Available as a free ebook here: 
? 
http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/brainiography/11786920 
? 
?
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From junction  Mon Jul 19 15:51:06 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Mon Jul 19 15:51:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Book announcement
Message-ID: <E1OayOG-0001vR-Bk@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

See signature below.



New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From jforjames  Mon Jul 19 20:07:35 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 19 20:07:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mary Swander play at KC Fringe Fest
Message-ID: <8CCF5C8DF544B73-3818-64C6@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>



http://pressreleases.kcstar.com/?q=node/37376

?I expected to encounter a slather of high toned profound musings about the mysteries of death and its sorrow when I first opened the cover of Mary?s book,? said Karan Founds-Benton of her staging of the work, ?instead were vigorous words: the expressions, reactions, duties, and emotional play of life as it swept through many generations accomplished not in an emotional daze. Instead, how clearly defined and immediately real are the moments as remembered. In sharp relief pass hills, gullies, fields; the auction, the train ride, the butcher?s block; the bowls lumped with mashed potatoes, tangled raspberries and the spin of a baseball - a bold, clear vision of life and it?s passing without morbidity.?



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From jeff.newberry  Tue Jul 20 05:52:28 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Tue Jul 20 05:52:28 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Message-ID: <893792181.6741593.1279627381184.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod>

LinkedIn
------------Jeff Newberry requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
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Anny,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Jeff

Accept invitation from Jeff Newberry
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View invitation from Jeff Newberry
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From jeff.newberry  Tue Jul 20 05:57:22 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Tue Jul 20 05:57:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <893792181.6741593.1279627381184.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod>
References: <893792181.6741593.1279627381184.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDEPIIM9Z3baT_mws4HZBDUnlsv6NQ-kUzvfJu@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about that, everybody.

Jeff Newberry




On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:

>  LinkedIn
>
> Jeff Newberry requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
>
> Anny,
>
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
>
> - Jeff
>
>   Accept<http://www.linkedin.com/e/r4j8wu-gbup3qgg-4b/_urAbAlFreiGury6NRl2Y0rmkZCmIIqd-uye0pzx/blk/I764722937_3/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_cRYTcPAOczsQdzt9bQpzdTcVl7B6bPoVcP8Udz8Ud34LrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/>  View
> invitation from Jeff Newberry<http://www.linkedin.com/e/r4j8wu-gbup3qgg-4b/_urAbAlFreiGury6NRl2Y0rmkZCmIIqd-uye0pzx/blk/I764722937_3/0PnPsPej8OdPgSdQALqnpPbOYWrSlI/S2_svi/>
>
>
>  DID YOU KNOW *you can conduct a more credible and powerful reference
> check using LinkedIn?*
> Enter the company name and years of employment or the prospective employee
> to find their colleagues<http://www.linkedin.com/e/r4j8wu-gbup3qgg-4b/rsr/inv-27/>that are also in your network. This provides you with a more balanced set of
> feedback to evaluate that new hire.
>
>
> ? 2010, LinkedIn Corporation
>
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-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that
is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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From newpoetry  Tue Jul 20 06:25:37 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Tue Jul 20 06:25:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Book announcement
In-Reply-To: <E1OayOG-0001vR-Bk@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OayOG-0001vR-Bk@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5474555F-1FE8-45D9-8BD0-4A7B6C98BBA5@mikesnider.org>

That's a nice review - congratulations!

On Jul 19, 2010, at 17:59, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

> See signature below.
> 
> 
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. 
> $16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>  
>  
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>  
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From junction  Tue Jul 20 07:39:10 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Tue Jul 20 07:39:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Book announcement
In-Reply-To: <5474555F-1FE8-45D9-8BD0-4A7B6C98BBA5@mikesnider.org>
References: <E1OayOG-0001vR-Bk@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5474555F-1FE8-45D9-8BD0-4A7B6C98BBA5@mikesnider.org>
Message-ID: <E1ObDCV-0004Cv-K9@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks.

At 08:35 AM 7/20/2010, you wrote:
>That's a nice review - congratulations!
>
>On Jul 19, 2010, at 17:59, Mark Weiss 
><<mailto:junction at earthlink.net>junction at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>See signature below.
>>
>>
>>New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
>>$16.  Order from 
>><http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm>http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>>
>>
>>"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
>>lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is 
>>the poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
>>through every one of his senses. Instead of 
>>missing a beat or a part, Weiss??? fragments 
>>are like Chekhov???s short stories??the more 
>>that gets left out, the more they seem to 
>>contain
 One can hear echoes from all the 
>>various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its 
>>center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use 
>>of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly 
>>clear, a pure musical threnody
[it] opens a 
>>window, not only into a mind, but a person, a 
>>personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>>
>>M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
>><http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml>http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From jforjames  Tue Jul 20 07:57:17 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 20 07:57:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Brian Turner's Phantom Noise
Message-ID: <8CCF62C0141E57A-1B7C-2908@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.themillions.com/2010/07/war-comes-home-bryan-turners-phantom-noise.html
?I embrace the frightful and the beautiful.??Al-Bayati

Great war poetry has a profound tension between two fundamental sets of drives; the creative and empathetic drives of poetry and the destructive and divisive drives of war; it has a parallelism with the beauty and lyricism of the language and poetic structure existing with but never becoming one with the gore and horror of being in a WWI trench, for example.  As the romanticizing of war faded in Western culture, so did this tension and more often than not when poetry dealt with war, it only condemned war.  But war is not totally composed of atrocity, and to understand war and eventually eradicate it, means grappling with the complex effects of strife on human relationships and emotions and poetry has the conceptual flexibility needed to contain all those concepts and contradictions.

Furthermore, the experience of American war has changed and Brian Turner, who served in Iraq, is our first poetic chronicler of the new American war.  His previous book, Here, Bullet, (one of the finest collections in recent memory) dealt exclusively with his time in Iraq.  Phantom Noise is a broader examination of the new American war. 



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From jforjames  Tue Jul 20 20:43:26 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 20 20:43:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Let's get lost in San Fran
Message-ID: <8CCF6971221EA77-1B74-5E2C@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/20/DDM41EFHEB.DTL&type=books

Get Lost Travel Books on Market Street hosted a book-launch party last week for WritersCorp, a program that offers free writing classes to children and youth. This year, a group of the young writers explored seven San Francisco neighborhoods, excavating the city's secrets and discovering some of their own. They wrote poems on location and revised them over subsequent months, lending an elegant craftsmanship to their emotions and observations. The result is the 7-by-7-inch, 120-page "City of Stairways: A Poet's Field Guide to San Francisco." Part travel guide, part literary anthology, the book is about more than just what's in the city - it's about how it feels to be here.



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From nic_sebastian  Tue Jul 20 21:37:00 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Tue Jul 20 21:37:00 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ten Questions on Poets & Technology - Sandra Beasley
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Sandra Beasley responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology -  http://bit.ly/aKK8Ws. 
Series' standing page: http://bit.ly/c0aBUb
Best, Nic
Nic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com






 		 	   		  
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From grahamd  Tue Jul 20 21:46:16 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Tue Jul 20 21:46:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brian Turner's Phantom Noise
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I read Turner's first book and agree that it's not just a good book about the Iraq war, but a very good book period.  He's not getting all the press based chiefly on his poetic skills, I know, but he's a very strong poet.  I've just looked at a few poems from the second book, and don't have an opinion yet on how it measures up to his debut, but it will be a hard one to top.  One of the many admirable things about Turner's work is that he's really interested not just in the American experience in Iraq, but in Iraq itself.  And he has the chops to make it all come alive poetically.


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grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz

Poetry Library:
http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
==========================================




On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:07 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote:

> http://www.themillions.com/2010/07/war-comes-home-bryan-turners-phantom-noise.html
> ?I embrace the frightful and the beautiful.??Al-Bayati
>  
> Great war poetry has a profound tension between two fundamental sets of drives; the creative and empathetic drives of poetry and the destructive and divisive drives of war; it has a parallelism with the beauty and lyricism of the language and poetic structure existing with but never becoming one with the gore and horror of being in a WWI trench, for example.  As the romanticizing of war faded in Western culture, so did this tension and more often than not when poetry dealt with war, it only condemned war.  But war is not totally composed of atrocity, and to understand war and eventually eradicate it, means grappling with the complex effects of strife on human relationships and emotions and poetry has the conceptual flexibility needed to contain all those concepts and contradictions.
>  
> Furthermore, the experience of American war has changed and Brian Turner, who served in Iraq, is our first poetic chronicler of the new American war.  His previous book, Here, Bullet, (one of the finest collections in recent memory) dealt exclusively with his time in Iraq.  Phantom Noise is a broader examination of the new American war. 
> _______________________________________________

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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 08:20:04 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 08:20:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Scots shortlisted for Forward Prize
Message-ID: <8CCF6F863D2372A-D70-AA36@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>



http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-shortlisted-for-major-uk-poetry-prize-1.1042583
Scots shortlisted for major UK poetry prize
heraldscotland staff
21 Jul 2010

Two Scottish poets are in the running for one of the most prestigious prizes in UK poetry.
Lachlan Mackinnon and Robin Robertson have been shortlisted for the Forward Prize for poetry, worth ?10,000.

They face competition from a formidable shortlist that includes the new, as yet unpublished, collection from the Nobel laureate, Seamus Heaney.

Also in the running for the collection award are Sin?ad Morrissey, Fiona Sampson and Jo Shapcott.

Ruth Padel, chair of the judges, said: ?It is an astonishing year for poetry, with an unusually wide range as well as high standard ? from international luminaries, much-loved British voices and exciting newcomers.? 

The Forward Prizes reward both established and up-and-coming poets.

The winner will be announced on October 6.

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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 10:56:27 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 10:56:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] two things about stars
Message-ID: <8CCF70E46481307-7D8-7B68@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100721-science-space-most-massive-star-ever-discovered-record/

EVENING

The sky puts on the darkening blue coat
held for it by a row of ancient trees;
you watch: and the lands grow distant in your sight,
one journeying to heaven, one that falls;

and leave you, not at home in either one,
not quite so still and dark as the darkened houses,
not calling to eternity with the passion
of what becomes a star each night, and rises;

and leave you (inexpressibly to unravel)
your life, with its immensity and fear,
so that, now bounded, now immeasurable,
it is alternately stone in you and star.


Rainer Maria Rilke (trans. by Stephen Mitchell)


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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 13:57:09 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 13:57:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
Message-ID: <8CCF72782490111-22E8-2E9C@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com>



http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/



Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.
Best regards,
Lorin Stein


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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 14:33:32 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 14:33:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
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The changing of the guard announcement...
http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

Part II
http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/




-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review



 
http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/


 
Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.
Best regards,
Lorin Stein



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From halvard  Wed Jul 21 14:44:50 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jul 21 14:44:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
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I mean, who can blame them?

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
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<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
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Other Sonnets*
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

*Tango Bouquet*
<http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en

<https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
*Theory of Harmony*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
*
*Rapsodie espagnole*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
Sonnet Project*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
G(e)nome*
*http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
*



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> The changing of the guard announcement...
> http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/
>
> {Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to
> get rid of the poems they accepted.}
>
> Part II
>
> http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
>
>
>
> http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/
>
> Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and
> appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn
> and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited
> from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order
> to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will
> not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We
> have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in
> them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you
> this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s
> transition.
> Best regards,
> Lorin Stein
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
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From junction  Wed Jul 21 14:55:48 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Wed Jul 21 14:55:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinqJrJ98BTjVojDxrQ9ie5AIJkgaGFSci-PAkCX@mail.gmail.c
 om>
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It's nonetheless pretty outrageous. Publications 
change editors all the time, but generally past 
committments are met. All those whose work was 
accepted assumed trustworthiness on that point. 
Presumably they had allowed the submitted work to 
lapse from circulation for a couple of years 
because a committment to publish had been made.

How about this? Paris Review accepts my poem, I 
thank them and tell them how pleased I am. Just 
as they're about to put the issue to bed I get a 
better offer and tell them not to publish. Would that be ok?

Paris Review pays for work. Did they at least 
honor that committment? Did they offer a kill fee?

The new editors will probably have a long tenure. 
Waiting a year to put their brand on the journal 
it seems to me would be less of a sacrifice than 
demonstrating that they think writers are lumps of shit subject to whim.

Best,

Mark

At 04:55 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
>I mean, who can blame them?
>
>Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
><http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
><http://www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
>Tango Bouquet
><https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>
>Theory of Harmony
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>
>Rapsodie espagnole
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>
>The Sonnet Project
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>
>G(e)nome
><http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf>http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, 
><<mailto:jforjames at aol.com>jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>The changing of the guard announcement...
><http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/>http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/
>
>{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were 
>great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}
>
>Part II
><http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/>http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>jforjames at aol.com
>To: <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm
>Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
>
>
><http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/>http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/
>
>Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor 
>of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry 
>editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, 
>Robyn and I have been carefully reading the 
>backlog of poetry that we inherited from the 
>previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth 
>of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to 
>define his own section, I regret to say, we will 
>not be able to publish everything accepted by 
>Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a 
>place for your [poem/s], though we see much to 
>admire in them and gave them the most serious 
>consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad 
>news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.
>Best regards,
>Lorin Stein
>
>_______________________________________________
>New-Poetry mailing list
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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From halvard  Wed Jul 21 14:58:36 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jul 21 14:58:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
In-Reply-To: <E1ObgUn-0004WC-UH@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Oh, I know. But, you know . . .

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
Other Sonnets*
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

*Tango Bouquet*
<http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en

<https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
*Theory of Harmony*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
*
*Rapsodie espagnole*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
Sonnet Project*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
G(e)nome*
*http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
*



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  It's nonetheless pretty outrageous. Publications change editors all the
> time, but generally past committments are met. All those whose work was
> accepted assumed trustworthiness on that point. Presumably they had allowed
> the submitted work to lapse from circulation for a couple of years because a
> committment to publish had been made.
>
> How about this? Paris Review accepts my poem, I thank them and tell them
> how pleased I am. Just as they're about to put the issue to bed I get a
> better offer and tell them not to publish. Would that be ok?
>
> Paris Review pays for work. Did they at least honor that committment? Did
> they offer a kill fee?
>
> The new editors will probably have a long tenure. Waiting a year to put
> their brand on the journal it seems to me would be less of a sacrifice than
> demonstrating that they think writers are lumps of shit subject to whim.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 04:55 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
>
> I mean, who can blame them?
>
> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> halvard at gmail.com
>  http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>  <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
> *The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets*
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> *Tango Bouquet
> *
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>
> *Theory of Harmony
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
> *
> *Rapsodie espagnole
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>
> The Sonnet Project
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>
> G(e)nome
>  http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>  The changing of the guard announcement...
>  http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/
>
> {Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to
> get rid of the poems they accepted.}
>
> Part II
>
> http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
>
>
>
> http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/
>
> Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and
> appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn
> and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited
> from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order
> to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will
> not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We
> have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in
> them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you
> this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s
> transition.
> Best regards,
> Lorin Stein
>
>  _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
>  New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
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>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, *As Landscape.
> *$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of
> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through
> every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss?
> fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the
> more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various
> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss.
> His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical
> threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
> personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
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From halvard  Wed Jul 21 15:20:30 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jul 21 15:20:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Japanese Lunchbox Hoax
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDc_3JoHX-z1caCKw0uLSW9gvdC9OwuPBiCyM2@mail.gmail.com>

The Japanese Lunchbox Hoax

Suddenly, he said, ?I?ve already
explained her fixed red scowl,
so let me tell you about
the Japanese Lunchbox Hoax.?

Must have been years and years ago
that I met her, heard her say
something amusing about him that
I could possible repeat before

children. Announcing the arrival
of the hat, officials lapsed into
uncomfortable silence, not
the usual down-draft of platitudes.

His thigh, so hard and dry, I thought
I might choke on it. His sister
smirking just past the horizon we?d
last crossed. One of those

black Quink bottles folks would
stop by just to admire and dip
their pens in. Sibelius?s
worst piece ever? Night Ride

and Sunrise, I heard him say.



Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
Other Sonnets*
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

*Tango Bouquet*
<http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en

<https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
*Theory of Harmony*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
*
*Rapsodie espagnole*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
Sonnet Project*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
G(e)nome*
*http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
*
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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 19:11:16 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 19:11:16 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
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References: <8CCF72782490111-22E8-2E9C@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com><8CCF72C8EDADCA1-22E8-35F2@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com><AANLkTinqJrJ98BTjVojDxrQ9ie5AIJkgaGFSci-PAkCX@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree. I think they did pay a 'kill fee'...but that fee for poem was not, I'm almost sure, what an essayist would get.
Short of some kind horrendous and unmanage

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


It's nonetheless pretty outrageous. Publications change editors all the time, but generally past committments are met. All those whose work was accepted assumed trustworthiness on that point. Presumably they had allowed the submitted work to lapse from circulation for a couple of years because a committment to publish had been made.

How about this? Paris Review accepts my poem, I thank them and tell them how pleased I am. Just as they're about to put the issue to bed I get a better offer and tell them not to publish. Would that be ok?

Paris Review pays for work. Did they at least honor that committment? Did they offer a kill fee? 

The new editors will probably have a long tenure. Waiting a year to put their brand on the journal it seems to me would be less of a sacrifice than demonstrating that they think writers are lumps of shit subject to whim.

Best,

Mark

At 04:55 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

I mean, who can blame them?

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org 

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

Tango Bouquet
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en 

Theory of Harmony
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf 

Rapsodie espagnole
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf 

The Sonnet Project
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf 

G(e)nome
http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf




On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

The changing of the guard announcement...

http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

From: jforjames at aol.com

To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 

Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein



http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

From: jforjames at aol.com

To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 

Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein


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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. 
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
 
 
"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
 
M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml


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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 19:18:29 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 19:18:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
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Completing that sentence: Short of a horrendous or unmanageable backlog, why didn't they gracefully allow the poems to appear. In one year the new poetry editor can start making his mark (wonderfully and marvelous as his selections, I'm sure it will be)

 
Here's the third installment...
http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-3/
 
There is already a Part IV...
Finnegan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


I agree. I think they did pay a 'kill fee'...but that fee for poem was not, I'm almost sure, what an essayist would get.
Short of some kind horrendous and unmanage
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net>
To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


It's nonetheless pretty outrageous. Publications change editors all the time, but generally past committments are met. All those whose work was accepted assumed trustworthiness on that point. Presumably they had allowed the submitted work to lapse from circulation for a couple of years because a committment to publish had been made.

How about this? Paris Review accepts my poem, I thank them and tell them how pleased I am. Just as they're about to put the issue to bed I get a better offer and tell them not to publish. Would that be ok?

Paris Review pays for work. Did they at least honor that committment? Did they offer a kill fee? 

The new editors will probably have a long tenure. Waiting a year to put their brand on the journal it seems to me would be less of a sacrifice than demonstrating that they think writers are lumps of shit subject to whim.

Best,

Mark

At 04:55 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

I mean, who can blame them?

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org 

The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

Tango Bouquet
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en 

Theory of Harmony
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf 

Rapsodie espagnole
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf 

The Sonnet Project
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf 

G(e)nome
http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf




On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

The changing of the guard announcement...

http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

From: jforjames at aol.com

To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 

Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein



http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

From: jforjames at aol.com

To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 

Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein


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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 19:40:38 2010
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Date: Wed Jul 21 19:40:38 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review
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I had to have a little fun with this on my blog...
http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2010/07/rogue-editors.html





-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:29 pm
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Completing that sentence: Short of a horrendous or unmanageable backlog, why didn't they gracefully allow the poems to appear. In one year the new poetry editor can start making his mark (wonderfully and marvelous as his selections, I'm sure it will be)

 
Here's the third installment...
http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-3/
 
There is already a Part IV...
Finnegan
 
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Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:21 pm
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I agree. I think they did pay a 'kill fee'...but that fee for poem was not, I'm almost sure, what an essayist would get.
Short of some kind horrendous and unmanage
 
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It's nonetheless pretty outrageous. Publications change editors all the time, but generally past committments are met. All those whose work was accepted assumed trustworthiness on that point. Presumably they had allowed the submitted work to lapse from circulation for a couple of years because a committment to publish had been made.

How about this? Paris Review accepts my poem, I thank them and tell them how pleased I am. Just as they're about to put the issue to bed I get a better offer and tell them not to publish. Would that be ok?

Paris Review pays for work. Did they at least honor that committment? Did they offer a kill fee? 

The new editors will probably have a long tenure. Waiting a year to put their brand on the journal it seems to me would be less of a sacrifice than demonstrating that they think writers are lumps of shit subject to whim.

Best,

Mark

At 04:55 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

I mean, who can blame them?

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets 

Tango Bouquet
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en 

Theory of Harmony
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Rapsodie espagnole
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf 

The Sonnet Project
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf 

G(e)nome
http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf




On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

The changing of the guard announcement...

http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein



http://blog.theparisreview.org/tag/robyn-creswell/

 

{Reading between the lines: Meghan and Dan were great, but we can't wait to get rid of the poems they accepted.}

 

Part II

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/20/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-2/ 



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad form at The Peris Review


 

http://wewhoareabouttodie.com/2010/07/19/behind-the-scenes-at-the-great-paris-review-poetry-purge-of-2010-part-1/ 

 

Recently I replaced Philip Gourevitch as editor of The Paris Review and appointed a new poetry editor, Robyn Creswell. Over the last month, Robyn and I have been carefully reading the backlog of poetry that we inherited from the previous editors. This amounts to a year?s worth of poems. In order to give Robyn the scope to define his own section, I regret to say, we will not be able to publish everything accepted by Philip, Meghan, and Dan. We have not found a place for your [poem/s], though we see much to admire in them and gave them the most serious consideration. I am sorry to give you this bad news, and I?m grateful for your patience during the Review?s transition.

Best regards,

Lorin Stein


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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. 
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"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
 
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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 19:57:12 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 19:57:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Sat & Sun: POPSICKLE Literary Festival
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Subject: Sat & Sun: POPSICKLE Literary Festival



POPSICKLE 2010 unites Brooklyn?s literary curators for a two-day festival of readings, performances and screenings. The festival will take place on July 24th and 25th at Market Hotel, from 3-8 PM on Saturday July 24th & 1-5 PM on Sunday July 25th.

POPSICKLE will take place at Bushwick's beloved MARKET HOTEL at 957 Broadway, Brooklyn.   Please note that this is NOT the entrance by Mr Kiwi; you will have to turn the corner and enter on Broadway.  

Readers for the Festival include: 

Alaina Stamatis, Anna Fitzgerald, Ben Fama, Brett Price & Dani Leventhal, Carter Edwards, Dan Magers, Eddie Hopely, Emily Pettit, Evan Burton, Gina Abelkop, Jamie Peck, James Copeland, Jordan Michael Iannucci, Joshua Mehigan, Lauren Russell, Leigh Stein, Marc Nasdor, Michael Barron, Natalie Lyalin, Nicole Trigg, Paige Taggart, Parker Phillips & Jesse Gold, Timothy Donnelly and more.
 
Curated by the series organizers of the following: Body Actualized Control, The Bushwick Reading Series, CROWD, POETRY Time at SPACE SPACE, STAIN, and SUPERMACHINE.
 
There will also be a raffle and book table at the event.  Additional information, as well as a complete schedule, can be found at http://popsicklefestival.blogspot.com/.  Additionally, if you feel so inclined, you can RSVP on Facebook and share the link at http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=108175169234412.
 

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From jforjames  Wed Jul 21 21:15:41 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 21:15:41 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Shapcott's Of Mutability
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/17/of-mutability-jo-shapcott-review

"Nought may endure but Mutability," wrote Shelley, joining an imposing line of English poets to have tackled this theme of perpetual change, including Spenser, Shakespeare, Marvell and Wordsworth. Jo Shapcott's new collection ? her first in 12 years, barring the Rilke translations of Tender Taxes ? meets the term and its history head-on, even going so far as to call itself Of Mutability, a nod towards the grammar of those predecessors as well as their preoccupations. The excellent title poem, a deceptively casual sonnet, acts as something of a tissue sample for most of the book's concerns, from the mutations of cells to the disruption of the seasons, in a voice as mutable as the phenomena it describes, speaking sympathetically in the year 2004 to those who "feel small among the numbers. Razor small", and suspect the pavement might be about to open under their feet.

Curiously, many of the poems seem more interested in equilibrium than mutability:
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From jforjames  Thu Jul 22 08:54:05 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul 22 08:54:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hard times hit Naropa
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http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/social_media_uprising_at_the_jack_kerouac_school_and_wyoming_writers_band_t/C39/L39/

The Boulder Daily Camera recently reported on the social media full-court press launched by current and former students at Boulder-based Naropa University?s Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics in response to the June layoffs of 23 staff members at the school.  

Posting under the tag SaveTKS on Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr, the students have released a list of demands, including the desires, as Scott Schlaufman of the Daily Camera wrote, ?that the ideals and values of the Jack Kerouac School are retained, that student participation in decision-making at the school is increased, and that the school?s diversity advocate position?cut in the June 15 layoffs?be reinstated.? 


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From jforjames  Thu Jul 22 18:14:50 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul 22 18:14:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry pairing
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http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/poetry-pairing-july-22-2010/

In our weekly ?Poetry Pairing? series we collaborate with the Poetry Foundation to feature a work from its American Life in Poetry project alongside content from The Times that somehow echoes, extends or challenges the poem?s themes. Each poem is introduced briefly by former U.S. Poet Laureate Ted Kooser.

This week we pair ?Rain? with an excerpt from the Times selection, a 2008 article headlined ?Trading the World for a Cabin in the Woods.? 



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From Opus40-01  Thu Jul 22 20:56:22 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Thu Jul 22 20:56:22 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry pairing
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This is gimmicky, and I lie it. It's clever, and it will bring at least 
some new readers to poetry.

jforjames at aol.com wrote:
> http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/poetry-pairing-july-22-2010/
>  
> In our weekly ?Poetry Pairing? series we collaborate with the Poetry 
> Foundation to feature a work from its American Life in Poetry project 
> alongside content from The Times that somehow echoes, extends or 
> challenges the poem?s themes. Each poem is introduced briefly by 
> former U.S. Poet Laureate Ted Kooser.
>  
> This week we pair ?Rain? with an excerpt from the Times selection, a 
> 2008 article headlined ?Trading the World for a Cabin in the Woods.?
>  
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From Opus40-01  Thu Jul 22 20:57:03 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
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That should have read "like it."

jforjames at aol.com wrote:
> http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/poetry-pairing-july-22-2010/
>  
> In our weekly ?Poetry Pairing? series we collaborate with the Poetry 
> Foundation to feature a work from its American Life in Poetry project 
> alongside content from The Times that somehow echoes, extends or 
> challenges the poem?s themes. Each poem is introduced briefly by 
> former U.S. Poet Laureate Ted Kooser.
>  
> This week we pair ?Rain? with an excerpt from the Times selection, a 
> 2008 article headlined ?Trading the World for a Cabin in the Woods.?
>  
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From obodooha  Fri Jul 23 08:53:53 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Fri Jul 23 08:53:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for articles
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Call for articles

CONTEXT: Journal of Social & Cultural Studies (ISSN 1119 ? 9229)
http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/  hereby calls for submissions to
its December 2010 edition. The journal publishes peer-reviewed essays,
creative works, and book reviews in all aspects of culture and
society. It is particularly looking out for contributions that try to
make interesting and unusual connections, for instance creative works
that could as well be viewed as critical reflections. For more
information on submission guidelines, visit:
http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/submission-of-articles/ All
submissions are to be made electronically to context at fastmail.fm or to
Obododimma Oha (editor): mmanwu at go.com . Deadline for submissions:
October 5, 2010.


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Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
            +234 808 264 8060.


From obodooha  Sat Jul 24 05:34:51 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Sat Jul 24 05:34:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call for articles
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Please, the email address of the journal is: <contextj at fastmail.fm> NOT <
context at fastmail.fm> . The error is regretted.
-- Obododimma.


On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Call for articles
>
> CONTEXT: Journal of Social & Cultural Studies (ISSN 1119 ? 9229)
> http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/  hereby calls for submissions to
> its December 2010 edition. The journal publishes peer-reviewed essays,
> creative works, and book reviews in all aspects of culture and
> society. It is particularly looking out for contributions that try to
> make interesting and unusual connections, for instance creative works
> that could as well be viewed as critical reflections. For more
> information on submission guidelines, visit:
> http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/submission-of-articles/ All
> submissions are to be made electronically to context at fastmail.fm or to
> Obododimma Oha (editor): mmanwu at go.com . Deadline for submissions:
> October 5, 2010.
>
>
> --
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> http://udude.wordpress.com/
>
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> University of Ibadan
> Nigeria
>
> &
>
> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
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>
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From jforjames  Sat Jul 24 11:11:33 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul 24 11:11:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] writing desk
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Image to share...
http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html


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From junction  Sat Jul 24 11:20:04 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sat Jul 24 11:20:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] writing desk
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Personally, I prefer the one made of hand/knapped 
flint. Helps me commune with my ancestors.


At 01:22 PM 7/24/2010, you wrote:
>Image to share...
><http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html>http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html
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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From halvard  Sat Jul 24 11:22:05 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sat Jul 24 11:22:05 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] writing desk
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One's ancestors--one can count on them to never
ever have any good movie recommendations.

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

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*Tango Bouquet*
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*
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On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  Personally, I prefer the one made of hand/knapped flint. Helps me commune
> with my ancestors.
>
>
> At 01:22 PM 7/24/2010, you wrote:
>
> Image to share...
> http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, *As Landscape.
> *$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of
> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through
> every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss?
> fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets left out, the
> more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all the various
> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss.
> His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical
> threnody?[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
> personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
> _______________________________________________
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From junction  Sat Jul 24 11:34:59 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sat Jul 24 11:34:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] writing desk
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Ah, but they invented Rock&Rock.


At 01:33 PM 7/24/2010, you wrote:
>One's ancestors--one can count on them to never
>ever have any good movie recommendations.
>
>Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>
><mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com
>http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
><http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
><http://www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
>
>The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets
><http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
>Tango Bouquet
><https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>
>Theory of Harmony
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>
>Rapsodie espagnole
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>
>The Sonnet Project
><https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>
>G(e)nome
><http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf>http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Mark Weiss 
><<mailto:junction at earthlink.net>junction at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Personally, I prefer the one made of 
>hand/knapped flint. Helps me commune with my ancestors.
>
>
>At 01:22 PM 7/24/2010, you wrote:
>>Image to share...
>><http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html>http://dailypoetics.typepad.com/daily_poetics/2010/07/thou-bringest-letters-unto-trembling-hands.html 
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>><mailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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>
>
>New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
>$16.  Order from 
><http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm>http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
>"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
>lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
>poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
>through every one of his senses. Instead of 
>missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
>like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
>left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
>hear echoes from all the various 
>ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
>core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the 
>fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a 
>pure musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not 
>only into a mind, but a person, a personality, 
>this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>
>M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
><http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml>http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From GrahamD  Sat Jul 24 12:55:44 2010
From: GrahamD (David Graham)
Date: Sat Jul 24 12:55:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Burt on Williams on Whitman
Message-ID: <9335E0D2-AAF1-41A4-8946-485D501C7FB3@ripon.edu>

And a much better job of it he does than Helen Vendler:

http://www.tnr.com/book/review/the-verse-electric



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From jforjames  Sat Jul 24 15:48:44 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jul 24 15:48:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] MacNeice piece
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http://www.ympoetry.org/?p=369
Ben Wilkinson
The Burning Perch by Louis MacNeice

?World is crazier and more of it than we think, incorrigibly plural?. If you?re not that well-versed in modern British and Irish poetry, chances are you?ll still know ?Snow?, or a line or two from the poem will seem naggingly familiar. While still in his twenties, Louis MacNeice wrote it in 1935, and since then, it?s been a favourite with readers, writers and editors, cropping up in every kind of poetry anthology.

Weird, then, that MacNeice?s work has often been seen as a footnote to that of his illustrious pal W.H. Auden, when he?s so clearly a hugely original poet in his own right.



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From Rsgwynn1  Sat Jul 24 16:40:44 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Sat Jul 24 16:40:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] MacNeice piece
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In a message dated 7/24/2010 5:00:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jforjames at aol.com writes: 
> 
> 
> http://www.ympoetry.org/?p=369
>  Ben Wilkinson
>  The Burning Perch by Louis MacNeice
>   
>  ?World is crazier and more of it than we think, incorrigibly plural?. If 
> you?re not that well-versed in modern British and Irish poetry, chances 
> are you?ll still know ?Snow?, or a line or two from the poem will seem 
> naggingly familiar. While still in his twenties, Louis MacNeice wrote it in 
> 1935, and since then, it?s been a favourite with readers, writers and editors, 
> cropping up in every kind of poetry anthology.
>   
>  Weird, then, that MacNeice?s work has often been seen as a footnote to 
> that of his illustrious pal W.H. Auden, when he?s so clearly a hugely 
> original poet in his own right.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Good piece in the TLS as well.
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From cervantes.james  Sun Jul 25 05:43:45 2010
From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes)
Date: Sun Jul 25 05:43:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sol: new online literary magazine
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A new on-line literary magazine, Sol: English Writing in Mexico, edited by
writers Bill Pearlman and Eva Hunter, is available to you at no cost. If
you're a writer, you should check it out. If you're a reader, you should
check it out. The first issue has writings from C.M. Mayo, Tony Cohan,
Halvard Johnson, Wim and Pat Perrin, James Cervantes and others. SOL is
meant to be a literary vehicle for both veteran writers like those mentioned
above, and new writers like this issue's Margaret Tallis, Jan Harvey, and
Carolyn Hernandez. The magazine will come out three times yearly. The
on-line version is available without cost by subscribing; a yearly hard-copy
anthology will be available at each year's end. We hope you'll enjoy the
fine writing in this first issue.



http://solliterarymagazine.com

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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 08:17:01 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 08:17:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Heyen speaks at Chautauqua 
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http://post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/562931.html?nav=5018

"Our subjects need to choose us, not us choose our subjects," said a guest speaker at the Chautauqua Institution on Thursday.

William Heyen spoke to a crowd in the Hall of Philosophy about his book "A Poetics of Hiroshima" and the poetic process.

Heyen says he may be drawn to dark themes, not because they are sensational to use for poems, but very often because of his background.

His family left Germany in the 1920s...



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From newpoetry  Mon Jul 26 10:03:32 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Mon Jul 26 10:03:32 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <91FAF786-D3F2-47B4-865E-2E76ED9270E2@mikesnider.org>

Sam,

Ron Rosenbaum, writing in Slate last Friday on an edition of just the poem Pale Fire, says you contributed "what will be an equally controversial essay." Congratulations! 


From newpoetry  Mon Jul 26 10:43:09 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Mon Jul 26 10:43:09 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Burt on Williams on Whitman
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I'm so far very impressed with Burt and Mikics' The Art of the Sonnet. The last poem (yeah, I skip around), D. A. Powell's "corydon & alexis, redux," is very fine, and so is its explication/commentary.  In the intro, they say that to treat such poems as sonnets (it seems to me undoubtedly a sonnet, despite lack of rhyme and meter) is to ask what we can learn from such treatment.   

On Jul 24, 2010, at 15:06, David Graham <GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote:

> And a much better job of it he does than Helen Vendler:
> 
> http://www.tnr.com/book/review/the-verse-electric
> 
> 
> 
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
> 
> Home Page:
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From Rsgwynn1  Mon Jul 26 12:26:26 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 12:26:26 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <64760.7a65ee8d.397f2ff8@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2010 11:15:11 AM Central Daylight Time, 
newpoetry at mikesnider.org writes: 
> Sam,
> 
> Ron Rosenbaum, writing in Slate last Friday on an edition of just the poem 
> Pale Fire, says you contributed "what will be an equally controversial 
> essay." Congratulations! 
> 
Thanks.  I don't know how controversial it will be, and I merely summarized 
some compelling evidence (their friendship when VN spent a summer en 
famille at Stanford and some shared poetic preferences) as to why Winters would be 
a good candidate as a model for Shade.  Some have put forward Frost in this 
regard, but the poem itself makes it clear that Shade is a younger 
contemporary and rival of Frost.  What I found interesting, among other details) was 
that Shade's first book, like Winters's, was free verse and that both poets 
turned rigidly to form in subsequent books.  I do hope that Brian Boyd and 
I can put to rest the longstanding myth that VN purposely created a mediocre 
or bad poem. 
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From david.weinstock  Mon Jul 26 13:56:48 2010
From: david.weinstock (David Weinstock)
Date: Mon Jul 26 13:56:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
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I read the Slate piece the other day and decided I'd better re-read the
poem. Couldn't find my old copy of Pale Fire, so bought a fresh (1962) copy
and I'm carrying it around.

I wonder how it came to be. Did he write a serious poem, and then tweak it a
bit to enable some details in the novel?

It is a lovely poem, and I'd be glad to know it wasn't cobbled together just
to be footnoted by the mad Kinbote.
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From amyhappens  Mon Jul 26 15:04:46 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Mon Jul 26 15:04:46 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] 
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	Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor, Joanna Ruocco,
	Kate Schapira & Dustin Williamson!
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Bill Knott books too....
 
 
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AMY DE?ATH studied American Literature with Creative Writing at the University 
of East Anglia and at Temple University in Philadelphia. Her poems have appeared 
in ONEDIT, QUID and others. Crater Press recently published her 
broadside, ANDROMEDA, THE WORLD WORKS FOR ME. She has two short books 
forthcoming in 2010. Her first collection will be published by Salt, and a 
chapbook will be coming out from Oystercatcher later in the year. Her poetry 
blog can be found atWWW.AMYDEATH.WORDPRESS.COM. ?Amy De?Ath is the new fire for 
mortals. She peoples space. She plays tricks with the gods and with her readers. 
This is personal, and it?s hot shit.? ? Marcus Slease
~
OCTAVIO GONZALEZ is a Dominican-American poet from Santo Domingo and Brooklyn, 
N.Y.  He teaches literature and composition at Rutgers University, where he is a 
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~
Attempting with the scientist?s objectivity, GORDON MASSMAN has numbered over 
twenty-one hundred slices of his psyche in order to discover his most basic 
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not only of his own, but those of the universal male psychology. Tarpaulin Sky 
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Spork Press will release a chapbook of this work.
~
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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 15:32:57 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 15:32:57 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Retallack=E2=80=99s_Procedural_Elegies/We?=
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http://www.brooklynrail.org/2010/07/books/waste-to-witt

Procedures regularize, give to an experience a repeatable form. In Joan Retallack?s new collection of works written between 1980 and 2010,  Procedural Elegies/Western Civ Cont?d, meaning is located in formal construction. The concern of the collection is procedure, or form, itself, as much as any of the myriad other themes examined and played with throughout these dizzyingly inventive pieces. 

Retallack references Eliot?s Wasteland in the second poem in the collection; by then I was already waiting for the reference. This collection performs a playful, challenging, and wildly vulnerable confrontation with the entire syllabus of Western Civilization (figured very particularly here as a syllabus) unavoidably similar to Eliot?s famous confrontation with the whole of literature, history, and loss. Retallack, at one point, defines poetics as ?an extreme noticing of how language works,? and this kind of ?extreme noticing? permeates her work, in pieces that turn in on, examine and unravel themselves, their own procedures and meanings.



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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 18:49:01 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 18:49:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2010/07/26/illuminated_poetry_delivers_insights_at_ica/
Boston?s Institute of Contemporary Art, lately obscured from one angle by a giant circus tent, is hoping to stir and seduce people over the next three nights by projecting poetry onto the building?s northwest-facing facade. The work is by the Nobel laureate Wislawa Szymborska, conceived and arranged by Holzer.

Holzer is one of the most acclaimed artists of her generation ? ?a huge figure,?? in the words of ICA senior curator Helen Molesworth, ?one of the most important voices of the 1980s.??

Her signature pieces ? scraps of text or poems displayed on moving LED screens, billboards, T-shirts, and elsewhere ? are routinely discussed in art schools as well as in the more cerebral enclaves of the academy.

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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 18:58:37 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 18:58:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
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It's been years since I read Pale Fire. The one image of the poem itself that I remember (or think I do) was that it was handwritten (printed) on index cards...each quatrain? 
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From newpoetry  Mon Jul 26 19:42:21 2010
From: newpoetry (Mike Snider)
Date: Mon Jul 26 19:42:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New books in hand
Message-ID: <18FF8BBC-223E-43D3-8618-A8B3B7B59230@mikesnider.org>

I already mentioned The Art of the Sonnet, of which I promised a report to Mark Weiss, and today Robin Hamilton's Pacts and Conjurations arrived. Again I started at the end, and really liked "Five Cards Dealt from Today's Deck". 




From Rsgwynn1  Mon Jul 26 20:02:00 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 20:02:00 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <d7252.ba6e134.397f9acd@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2010 8:10:18 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jforjames at aol.com writes: 
> 
> It's been years since I read Pale Fire. The one image of the poem itself 
> that I remember (or think I do) was that it was handwritten (printed) on 
> index cards...each quatrain? 
> Finnegan
> 
14 lines, handwritten, per card, more or less (there are some strike-outs 
and dropped sections). This describes the fair copy of the first three 
cantos--166 lines (13 cards),  334, 334, lines respectively (27 cards each).  
Canto IV (165 lines/ 13 cards) as described by Kinbote is a corrected draft.  
Shade, according to Kinbote, burned his rough drafts when he was finished with 
them.  Thus, the poem is supposed to be complete, though there is no fair 
copy of the final canto.  Writing on note cards became VN's usual (unusual) 
method of composition; the other books (or at least the later ones) were 
written in similar fashion.  I have seen some of the cards in the Berg 
Collection.

http://legacy.www.nypl.org/research/chss/epo/nabokov/fswitz.htm
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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 20:06:36 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 20:06:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
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Very cool...so old school.


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To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 10:13 pm
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In a message dated 7/26/2010 8:10:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: 


It's been years since I read Pale Fire. The one image of the poem itself that I remember (or think I do) was that it was handwritten (printed) on index cards...each quatrain? 
Finnegan



14 lines, handwritten, per card, more or less (there are some strike-outs and dropped sections). This describes the fair copy of the first three cantos--166 lines (13 cards),  334, 334, lines respectively (27 cards each).  Canto IV (165 lines/ 13 cards) as described by Kinbote is a corrected draft.  Shade, according to Kinbote, burned his rough drafts when he was finished with them.  Thus, the poem is supposed to be complete, though there is no fair copy of the final canto.  Writing on note cards became VN's usual (unusual) method of composition; the other books (or at least the later ones) were written in similar fashion.  I have seen some of the cards in the Berg Collection.

http://legacy.www.nypl.org/research/chss/epo/nabokov/fswitz.htm 
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From jforjames  Mon Jul 26 20:35:43 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 20:35:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poem prompted by thoughts of pale fire
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The Poem I Had In Mind But Forgot

Was a lovely piece of music
and expertly crafted rhetoric.
I would tell you more about it,
but, as I said, it?s forgotten now.
What I can say is that it 
was very much like my dreams.
Being extravagant and elegant
at the same time. And if you 
woke up inside one you wouldn?t 
know in that moment whether 
or not you were really alive.


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From junction  Mon Jul 26 22:05:30 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Mon Jul 26 22:05:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry]  Fw: FRIDAY: Free books+Amy De'Ath, Octavio
	R. Gonzalez, Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor, Joanna Ruocco, Kate
	Schapira & Dustin Williamson!
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From obodooha  Mon Jul 26 22:16:50 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Mon Jul 26 22:16:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] On Being a Cybernomad
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAhkNzPbq-kVeegmu9mMc_a3eH_DnMG_wBiAuu@mail.gmail.com>

"Inhabiting cyberspace is something that should suit wanderlust. Cyberspace
provides a relatively free environment for one to migrate from one location
to the other."

Read full text of "On Being a
Cybernomad<http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5599126-146/on_being_a_cybernomad__.csp>"
at:
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5599126-146/on_being_a_cybernomad__.csp

-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

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From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 27 04:26:03 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 27 04:26:03 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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Richard Kostelanetz calls Holzer an idiot-identifier, or artist who can 
be used to identify critics, curators and other arts people as idiots to 
the degree they are positive about her work.  She is unquestionably the 
worst known visual poet, and therefore the highest paid, making more 
money than the hundred best visual poets together make.

--Bob

From acgold01  Tue Jul 27 07:20:53 2010
From: acgold01 (Alan C Golding)
Date: Tue Jul 27 07:20:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] VN's cards
Message-ID: <4C4EA796.AC48.0004.1@gwise.louisville.edu>

"Writing on note cards became VN's usual (unusual) method of
composition; the other books (or at least the later ones) were written
in similar fashion."

Something he shares with Bruce Andrews.  Who knew?

Alan


From jforjames  Tue Jul 27 11:33:20 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 11:33:20 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: muzzle
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http://www.muzzlemagazine.com/index.html


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From jforjames  Tue Jul 27 11:43:55 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 11:43:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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I saw a similar Holzer piece at Mass MOCA a couple years ago. I thought it was great. All the projections take place in a cavernous mill building with these large bean-bag pods to lie back on while you watch the huge luminous words roll thru and bathe over the darkened space...
http://www.massmoca.org/event_details.php?id=339

Idiotically yours,
Finnegan


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Richard Kostelanetz calls Holzer an idiot-identifier, or artist who can be used to identify critics, curators and other arts people as idiots to the degree they are positive about her work. She is unquestionably the worst known visual poet, and therefore the highest paid, making more money than the hundred best visual poets together make. 
 
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From Rsgwynn1  Tue Jul 27 12:00:51 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 12:00:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <e2a22.58f2ed58.39807b75@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2010 3:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
david.weinstock at gmail.com writes: 
> 
> I read the Slate piece the other day and decided I'd better re-read the 
> poem. Couldn't find my old copy of Pale Fire, so bought a fresh (1962) copy 
> and I'm carrying it around.
>   
>  I wonder how it came to be. Did he write a serious poem, and then tweak 
> it a bit to enable some details in the novel?
>   
>  It is a lovely poem, and I'd be glad to know it wasn't cobbled together 
> just to be footnoted by the mad Kinbote.
>   
>   
> 
It seems pretty clear that he must have got the idea while doing his 
massive Pushkin translation--thinking about the poem accompanied by his own 
massive notes.  As a work of metafiction the form of PF seems to be original with 
Nabokov, though I'm sure that Eliot's self-notation of The Waste Land must 
have been somewhere in his mind. And, to be sure, there are many annotated 
editions of literary works where the annotator's own prejudices are apparent 
and where massive errors of interpretation creep in.  So in many respects PF 
is a parody.  Shade's poem is ironically a work that does not require any 
annotation at all, and Kinbote has appropriated it to tell his own story 
(which he thought Shade was writing).

I suspect that VN thought of the project as a whole.  First, to write a 
long poem by a non-existent American poet, and, second, to write the notes to 
it.  Since Kinbote's notes for the most part don't have anything to do with 
passages from the poem it wasn't necessary for Nabokov/Shade to be thinking 
directly of how the poem might be annotated by a madman.

The question of whether it's a "serious" poem would have to be judged by 
how we define "serious."  
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From jforjames  Tue Jul 27 12:10:21 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 12:10:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fragments of a Broken Poetics
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When I read this bit by Jennifer Moxley, Bob, I thought it was something you might agree with:
--
XL 
I have met very few poets who are calm about or accepting of the way visual artists use language in their work. 
--

Full piece here...
http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_moxley.php

Finnegan


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Richard Kostelanetz calls Holzer an idiot-identifier, or artist who can be used to identify critics, curators and other arts people as idiots to the degree they are positive about her work. She is unquestionably the worst known visual poet, and therefore the highest paid, making more money than the hundred best visual poets together make. 
 
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From junction  Tue Jul 27 14:10:02 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Tue Jul 27 14:10:02 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry]  Fw: FRIDAY: Free books+Amy De'Ath, Octavio
	R. Gonzalez, Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor, Joanna Ruocco, Kate
	Schapira & Dustin Williamson!
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From Sigauke  Tue Jul 27 14:17:48 2010
From: Sigauke (Sigauke, Emmanuel)
Date: Tue Jul 27 14:17:48 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Los Angeles Eso Won Reading to feature two Zimbabwean
	writers
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From ccooley  Tue Jul 27 15:33:04 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Tue Jul 27 15:33:04 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
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>
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:12:05 EDT
> From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
>

Although I suspect that Nabokov is terribly clever and all (and know he
thinks he "beat Dusty at his own game" with Lolita), this book Pale Fire did
not work for me. I forget a lot about the Zemblan Revolution and recall only
not believing the place existed, and was never willing to suspend my
disbelief; then, I was quite unmoved by the poem. Later, I read N's
translation of Eugene Onegin and it sounded just like-- Nabokov. I have no
idea what Pushkin sounds like, or even what he says! The thing is that
Nabokov will never be in the same league as Dostoyevski (the least of the 3
great Russians imo) even though he's probably much more clever -- because
his work lacks Dusty's emotional significance. And that, not Pale Fire, is
the heat that mints literary coinage.

I'd be interested in reading Sam's essay if there's a link.




> In a message dated 7/26/2010 3:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> david.weinstock at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > I read the Slate piece the other day and decided I'd better re-read the
> > poem. Couldn't find my old copy of Pale Fire, so bought a fresh (1962)
> copy
> > and I'm carrying it around.
> >
> >  I wonder how it came to be. Did he write a serious poem, and then tweak
> > it a bit to enable some details in the novel?
> >
> >  It is a lovely poem, and I'd be glad to know it wasn't cobbled together
> > just to be footnoted by the mad Kinbote.
> >
> >
> >
> It seems pretty clear that he must have got the idea while doing his
> massive Pushkin translation--thinking about the poem accompanied by his own
> massive notes.  As a work of metafiction the form of PF seems to be
> original with
> Nabokov, though I'm sure that Eliot's self-notation of The Waste Land must
> have been somewhere in his mind. And, to be sure, there are many annotated
> editions of literary works where the annotator's own prejudices are
> apparent
> and where massive errors of interpretation creep in.  So in many respects
> PF
> is a parody.  Shade's poem is ironically a work that does not require any
> annotation at all, and Kinbote has appropriated it to tell his own story
> (which he thought Shade was writing).
>
> I suspect that VN thought of the project as a whole.  First, to write a
> long poem by a non-existent American poet, and, second, to write the notes
> to
> it.  Since Kinbote's notes for the most part don't have anything to do with
> passages from the poem it wasn't necessary for Nabokov/Shade to be thinking
> directly of how the poem might be annotated by a madman.
>
> The question of whether it's a "serious" poem would have to be judged by
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> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:21:49 -0400
> From: jforjames at aol.com
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fragments of a Broken Poetics
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> When I read this bit by Jennifer Moxley, Bob, I thought it was something
> you might agree with:
> --
> XL
> I have met very few poets who are calm about or accepting of the way visual
> artists use language in their work.
> --
>
> Full piece here...
> http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_moxley.php
>
> Finnegan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 7:41 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
>
>
> Richard Kostelanetz calls Holzer an idiot-identifier, or artist who can be
> used to identify critics, curators and other arts people as idiots to the
> degree they are positive about her work. She is unquestionably the worst
> known visual poet, and therefore the highest paid, making more money than
> the hundred best visual poets together make.
>
> --Bob
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>        R. Gonzalez, Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor, Joanna Ruocco, Kate
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From anny.ballardini  Tue Jul 27 15:33:07 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue Jul 27 15:33:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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Although she has been copied but innumerable other artists, she is still one
of the best. I know Bob does not like her, we already had a similar
discussion years ago on New Poetry,

S. I.
(Second Idiot)

Anny

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:55 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> I saw a similar Holzer piece at Mass MOCA a couple years ago. I thought it
> was great. All the projections take place in a cavernous mill building with
> these large bean-bag pods to lie back on while you watch the huge luminous
> words roll thru and bathe over the darkened space...
> http://www.massmoca.org/event_details.php?id=339
>
> Idiotically yours,
> Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 7:41 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
>
> Richard Kostelanetz calls Holzer an idiot-identifier, or artist who can be
> used to identify critics, curators and other arts people as idiots to the
> degree they are positive about her work. She is unquestionably the worst
> known visual poet, and therefore the highest paid, making more money than
> the hundred best visual poets together make.
>
> --Bob
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>


-- 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 27 16:14:21 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 27 16:14:21 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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Jim and Anny:

I'm prejudiced against Jenny because:

(1) She has copied many artists.

(2) the kind of thing she does, anyone with access to the expensive 
equipment she has could do

(3) She made her name with banal tenth-rate left-wing aphorisms she put 
unoriginally on billboards that the in-crowd delighted in.  I don't know 
how she got access to the billboards.

(4) does not write poetry herself, and poetry is a superior art to 
aphorisms.

(5) she has never to my knowledge done a work of visual art with any 
kind of originality or beauty--unless these games she and many other 
in-artists play with projections of texts are as fun as I grant they may be

(6) I have earned $900 as a combiner of text and visual art; Holzer 
probably 9 million.  ( Sorry, but I'm convinced my work and that of many 
of my colleagues in visual poetry have done are many orders of magnitude 
superior to hers.)

(8) she is certified so gets grants and opportunities much better artist 
don't get right and left like the one Jim has called our attention to

(9) Anny likes her work

--Bob


From heatherjunegibbons  Tue Jul 27 17:07:17 2010
From: heatherjunegibbons (Heather June Gibbons)
Date: Tue Jul 27 17:07:17 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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Ah, a good old-fashioned case of jealousy.

-Heather

Heather June Gibbons
heatherjunegibbons.com


On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

> Jim and Anny:
>
> I'm prejudiced against Jenny because:
>
> (1) She has copied many artists.
>
> (2) the kind of thing she does, anyone with access to the expensive
> equipment she has could do
>
> (3) She made her name with banal tenth-rate left-wing aphorisms she put
> unoriginally on billboards that the in-crowd delighted in.  I don't know how
> she got access to the billboards.
>
> (4) does not write poetry herself, and poetry is a superior art to
> aphorisms.
>
> (5) she has never to my knowledge done a work of visual art with any kind
> of originality or beauty--unless these games she and many other in-artists
> play with projections of texts are as fun as I grant they may be
>
> (6) I have earned $900 as a combiner of text and visual art; Holzer
> probably 9 million.  ( Sorry, but I'm convinced my work and that of many of
> my colleagues in visual poetry have done are many orders of magnitude
> superior to hers.)
>
> (8) she is certified so gets grants and opportunities much better artist
> don't get right and left like the one Jim has called our attention to
>
> (9) Anny likes her work
>
>
> --Bob
>
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From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 27 19:24:13 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 27 19:24:13 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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Heather June Gibbons wrote:
> Ah, a good old-fashioned case of jealousy.
How does one tell the difference between jealousy and sincere annoyance 
at injustice?  And annoyance at the way the arts establishment protects 
mediocrities?  Is it possible for any artist to voice disdain for the 
work of another artist who has had more social and material success than 
he has without being accused of sour grapes? 

All I can say is that I define jealousy as dislike of another person 
because that person has things one wants but doesn't have, and that I 
have a close friend who is a very well-to-do corporate lawyer, and I am 
extremely pleased that he has been as successful as he has even though 
I'm struggling to get by on the minimum monthly social security payment 
and food stamps.  I even have an acquaintance I don't like who has had 
what I consider a very successful career as an Ivy League professor and 
authority in his field of international ecological law but consider 
well-deserving of his status and good material life. 

Sam Francis isn't alive anymore, but I never was upset about his making 
much more money as an artist than I because I greatly admired his 
painting and felt he deserved the money he got.  And, hey, while I don't 
think the Potter series is the great work of literature ever, I enjoyed 
it and have nothing against its author's having made a ridiculously huge 
amount of money from it.  Even though I've written what I think is a 
good sci fi novel that has been rejected by the only publisher I've so 
far sent it to.

Sure, I could still be jealous of Holzer (and I don't dislike 
her--because I don't know her, and because I tend not to dislike 
anyone), but I feel pretty confident that I am not jealous of her.  But 
I admit that it's hard to be sure of that.  I can't imagine how you 
could know enough about me to know that I'm jealous of Holzer, though.

Obviously you can see that I'm the kind of halfwit that could ramble on 
forever on this topic.  Fortunately, it's my bedtime, so I won't.

--Bob



From bobgrumman  Tue Jul 27 19:27:23 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue Jul 27 19:27:23 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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One point I forgot to make and want to: whether one is jealous of 
another artist has nothing at all to do with whether or not one's low 
view of that artist is valid or not.

--Bob

From Rsgwynn1  Tue Jul 27 19:47:14 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 19:47:14 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <d018.37a881ee.3980e8d8@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2010 4:45:03 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ccooley at overdomain.com writes: 
> lthough I suspect that Nabokov is terribly clever and all (and know he 
> thinks he "beat Dusty at his own game" with Lolita), this book Pale Fire did 
> not work for me. I forget a lot about the Zemblan Revolution and recall 
> only not believing the place existed, and was never willing to suspend my 
> disbelief; then, I was quite unmoved by the poem. Later, I read N's translation 
> of Eugene Onegin and it sounded just like-- Nabokov. I have no idea what 
> Pushkin sounds like, or even what he says! The thing is that Nabokov will 
> never be in the same league as Dostoyevski (the least of the 3 great Russians 
> imo) even though he's probably much more clever -- because his work lacks 
> Dusty's emotional significance. And that, not Pale Fire, is the heat that 
> mints literary coinage. 
> 
Zembla exists primarily in the fantasy life of a madman named Charles 
Kinbote.  And VN was, after 1940, an American writer, not a Russian.
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From amyhappens  Tue Jul 27 20:32:47 2010
From: amyhappens (amy king)
Date: Tue Jul 27 20:32:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] WHOOPS!  --  FRIDAY: Free books+Amy De'Ath,
	Octavio R. Gonzalez, Gordon Massman, Tracy O Connor,
	Joanna Ruocco, Kate Schapira & Dustin Williamson!
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The reading this Friday is scheduled for 7 p.m. - apologies!



________________________________
From: Mark Weiss

Amy: It may be incipient blindness, but I haven't been able to find the time for 
the reading, either in this flyer or on Stain's website. If I've somehow 
overlooked it, indulge me--I'd really like to come to the reading.

Best,

Mark

At 05:16 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote:

Bill Knott books too....
> 
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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>CONNOR, JOANNA RUOCCO, KATE SCHAPIRA & DUSTIN WILLIAMSON!
>
> 
>
>
>LISTENERS WILL RECEIVE ONE-OF-A-KIND HAND-PAINTED, HAND-MADE & SIGNED COPIES 
>OFSYLLABIC VERSE BY BILL KNOTT. 
>
>
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>
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> 
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>AMY DE???ATH studied American Literature with Creative Writing at the University 
>of East Anglia and at Temple University in Philadelphia. Her poems have appeared 
>in ONEDIT, QUID and others. Crater Press recently published her broadside, 
>ANDROMEDA, THE WORLD WORKS FOR ME. She has two short books forthcoming in 2010. 
>Her first collection will be published by Salt, and a chapbook will be coming 
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>several chapbooks from Flying Guillotine Press, Cy Gist Press, horse less press, 
>Rope-A-Dope Press and Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs. She runs the Publicly 
>Complex reading series in Providence, RI.
>
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>GRUNTS (Cannibal), and GORILLA DUST (Open 24 Hours). He publishes Rust Buckle 
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From ccooley  Tue Jul 27 21:47:53 2010
From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Tue Jul 27 21:47:53 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwO-umQ4mN-witotGKj4b6MsP4v0zUvzgZT+D0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the clarification on Zembla. Yes, I know Nabokov is considered an
American writer. It was he that compared himself favorably with Dostoyevski.
When I was speaking about the 3 Russians I meant Tolstoy, Dostoyevski,
and Checkov. Nabokov also said somewhere that he wished he could write with
the deep understanding one can only have in the mother tongue.

My critique of him though is not about his relationship to English, or any
lack of understanding-- it is his lack of compassion. Can anyone love (or
even care about) Humbert? Or Lolita? Or Kinbote? Or Shade? Maybe so; but I
can't.



> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:58:48 EDT
> From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>
> In a message dated 7/27/2010 4:45:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ccooley at overdomain.com writes:
> > Although I suspect that Nabokov is terribly clever and all (and know he
> > thinks he "beat Dusty at his own game" with Lolita), this book Pale Fire
> did
> > not work for me. I forget a lot about the Zemblan Revolution and recall
> > only not believing the place existed, and was never willing to suspend my
> > disbelief; then, I was quite unmoved by the poem. Later, I read N's
> translation
> > of Eugene Onegin and it sounded just like-- Nabokov. I have no idea what
> > Pushkin sounds like, or even what he says! The thing is that Nabokov will
> > never be in the same league as Dostoyevski (the least of the 3 great
> Russians
> > imo) even though he's probably much more clever -- because his work lacks
> > Dusty's emotional significance. And that, not Pale Fire, is the heat that
> > mints literary coinage.
> >
> Zembla exists primarily in the fantasy life of a madman named Charles
> Kinbote.  And VN was, after 1940, an American writer, not a Russian.
>
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From bobgrumman  Wed Jul 28 04:16:51 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed Jul 28 04:16:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwO-umQ4mN-witotGKj4b6MsP4v0zUvzgZT+D0@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4C50154F.6090607@nut-n-but.net>

Crisman Cooley wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification on Zembla. Yes, I know Nabokov is 
> considered an American writer. It was he that compared himself 
> favorably with Dostoyevski. When I was speaking about the 3 Russians I 
> meant Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, and Checkov. Nabokov also said somewhere 
> that he wished he could write with the deep understanding one can only 
> have in the mother tongue. 
>
> My critique of him though is not about his relationship to English, or 
> any lack of understanding-- it is his lack of compassion. Can anyone 
> love (or even care about) Humbert? Or Lolita? Or Kinbote? Or Shade? 
> Maybe so; but I can't.
I tend to agree, but I did really like Pale Fire when I read it in my 
twenties.  I don't remember the poem too well, but thought it very 
fine.  Here's the interesting thing: as I vaguely remember, I did feel 
compassion for its speaker!

--Bob

From Rsgwynn1  Wed Jul 28 06:38:39 2010
From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com)
Date: Wed Jul 28 06:38:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
Message-ID: <f3adb.69dbf8ef.39818186@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2010 10:59:46 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ccooley at overdomain.com writes: 
> 
> Thanks for the clarification on Zembla. Yes, I know Nabokov is considered 
> an American writer. It was he that compared himself favorably with 
> Dostoyevski. When I was speaking about the 3 Russians I meant Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, 
> and Checkov. Nabokov also said somewhere that he wished he could write 
> with the deep understanding one can only have in the mother tongue. 
>  
> 
> My critique of him though is not about his relationship to English, or any 
> lack of understanding-- it is his lack of compassion. Can anyone love (or 
> even care about) Humbert? Or Lolita? Or Kinbote? Or Shade? Maybe so; but I 
> can't. 
> 
> 
Raskalnikov is pretty cuddly too, as is the unnamed Underground Man.  If 
you want compassion, read Pnin.
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From cvoisine  Wed Jul 28 11:17:15 2010
From: cvoisine (Connie Voisine)
Date: Wed Jul 28 11:17:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>

does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can
find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that
reference specific poems.

thanks all...

-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027
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From halvard  Wed Jul 28 11:22:36 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jul 28 11:22:36 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gmail.com>

You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
Other Sonnets*
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

*Tango Bouquet*
<http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en

<https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
*Theory of Harmony*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
*
*Rapsodie espagnole*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
Sonnet Project*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
G(e)nome*
*http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
*



On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:

> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can
> find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that
> reference specific poems.
>
> thanks all...
>
> --
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
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From wwmorgan  Wed Jul 28 11:27:55 2010
From: wwmorgan (Bill Morgan)
Date: Wed Jul 28 11:27:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <045501cb2e7b$dd61a450$9824ecf0$@edu>

I have one:

 

Reading at Night

 

(an homage to Hardy's 'Waiting Both')

 

The faceless sky is mute and vast;

complacent stars absorb the glance

I raise from Hardy's page: 'Can you tell 

me why . . . you tell me why?

 

Huge, still, Orion's outline seems

to scorn the thought, and Gemini

to cock its heads: 'You humans ask

the damnedest things . . . the damnedest things!'

 

 

 

cheers,

 

Bill Morgan

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From cvoisine  Wed Jul 28 11:41:15 2010
From: cvoisine (Connie Voisine)
Date: Wed Jul 28 11:41:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c6qEFCu8JtuheUZxcU8PzMCayqtn=XeGSd2Pv@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should
have been more specific.

c

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.
>
> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
>
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>  <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
> Other Sonnets*
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>
> *Tango Bouquet*
>
> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>
>
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
> *Theory of Harmony*
> *
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
> *
> *Rapsodie espagnole*
> *
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
> *
> *
> *
> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
> Sonnet Project*
> *
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
> *
> *
> *
> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
> G(e)nome*
> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>wrote:
>
>> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can
>> find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that
>> reference specific poems.
>>
>> thanks all...
>>
>>  --
>> Connie Voisine
>> Associate Professor of English
>> New Mexico State University
>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>> 575-646-2027
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027
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From jforjames  Wed Jul 28 13:03:55 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 28 13:03:55 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=c6qEFCu8JtuheUZxcU8PzMCayqtn=XeGSd2Pv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gmail.com>
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Does this count...

On first looking into Chapman's Homer 
   
MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,   
  And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;   
  Round many western islands have I been   
Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.   
Oft of one wide expanse had I been told          5 
  That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:   
  Yet did I never breathe its pure serene   
Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:   
Then felt I like some watcher of the skies   
  When a new planet swims into his ken;   10 
Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes   
  He stared at the Pacific?and all his men   
Look'd at each other with a wild surmise?   
  Silent, upon a peak in Darien. 

John Keats


-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem


thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should have been more specific.


c


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:

You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.

Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org


The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets


Tango Bouquet
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en


Theory of Harmony
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf


Rapsodie espagnole
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf


The Sonnet Project
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf


G(e)nome
http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf









On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:




does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.


thanks all...

-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027


_______________________________________________
New-Poetry mailing list
New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027


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From cvoisine  Wed Jul 28 13:13:51 2010
From: cvoisine (Connie Voisine)
Date: Wed Jul 28 13:13:51 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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yes oh yes...

c

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:15 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> Does this count...
>
> On first looking into Chapman's Homer
>
> MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,
>   And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
>   Round many western islands have I been
> Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
> Oft of one wide expanse had I been told          5
>   That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:
>   Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
> Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
> Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
>   When a new planet swims into his ken;   10
> Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
>   He stared at the Pacific?and all his men
> Look'd at each other with a wild surmise?
>   Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
>  John Keats
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
> To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 1:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
>
> thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should
> have been more specific.
>
>  c
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.
>>
>> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>>
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
>>  <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
>> Other Sonnets*
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>
>>  *Tango Bouquet*
>> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>>
>>
>> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
>> *Theory of Harmony*
>> *
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>> *
>>  *Rapsodie espagnole*
>> *
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
>> Sonnet Project*
>> *
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
>> G(e)nome*
>> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>wrote:
>>
>>>  does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i
>>> can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any
>>> that reference specific poems.
>>>
>>>  thanks all...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Connie Voisine
>>> Associate Professor of English
>>> New Mexico State University
>>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>>> 575-646-2027
>>>
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>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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>
>
> --
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jforjames  Wed Jul 28 13:20:52 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jul 28 13:20:52 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Nabokov, Pale Fire, Slate, & Sam Gwynn
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I've always smiled at this Literary Anecdote: 

When Vladimir Nabokov was nominated for a chair in literature at Harvard, the linguist Roman Jakobson protested: ?What?s next? Shall we appoint elephants to teach zoology??  


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From grahamd  Wed Jul 28 13:42:43 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Wed Jul 28 13:42:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: poems about a poem
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How about the triple play of Marlowe's Passionate Shepherd, followed by Ralegh's reply, followed (a few centuries later) by William Carlos Williams weighing in with "Raleigh Was Right"?  No doubt others besides WCW have put their oar in on this one especially.

There's a wonderful anthology of answering-back poems called Conversation Pieces.

http://www.amazon.com/Conversation-Pieces-Everymans-Library-Pocket/dp/0307265455/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1280346524&sr=1-4




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On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Connie Voisine wrote:

> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.
> 
> thanks all...
> 
> -- 
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
> _______________________________________________
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From millb  Wed Jul 28 13:51:06 2010
From: millb (Millicent)
Date: Wed Jul 28 13:51:06 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: poems about a poem
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How about these?

My Last Duchess and Richard Howard's sequel?

Millicent




My Last Duchess - a poem by Robert Browning 














My Last Duchess
 Robert Browning 
That's my last duchess painted on the wall,
Looking as if she were alive. I call
That piece a wonder, now: Fr? Pandolf's hands
Worked busily a day, and there she stands.
Will't please you sit and look at her? I said
"Fr? Pandolf" by design, for never read
Strangers like you that pictured countenance,
The depth and passion of its earnest glance,
But to myself they turned (since none puts by
The curtain I have drawn for you, but I)
And seemed as they would ask me, if they durst,
How such a glance came there; so, not the first
Are you to turn and ask thus. Sir, 'twas not
Her husband's presence only, called that spot
Of joy into the Duchess' cheek: perhaps
Fr? Pandolf chanced to say "Her mantle laps
"Over my lady's wrist too much," or "Paint
"Must never hope to reproduce the faint
"Half-flush that dies along her throat": such stuff
Was courtesy, she thought, and cause enough
For calling up that spot of joy. She had
A heart how shall I say? too soon made glad,
Too easily impressed; she liked whate'er
She looked on, and her looks went everywhere.
Sir, 'twas all one! My favor at her breast,
The dropping of the daylight in the West,
The bough of cherries some officious fool
Broke in the orchard for her, the white mule
She rode with round the terrace all and each
Would draw from her alike the approving speech,
Or blush, at least. She thanked men good! but thanked
Somehow I know not how as if she ranked
My gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name
With anybody's gift. Who'd stoop to blame
This sort of trifling? Even had you skill
In speech which I have not to make your will
Quite clear to such an one, and say, "Just this
"Or that in you disgusts me; here you miss,
"Or there exceed the mark" and if she let
Herself be lessoned so, nor plainly set
Her wits to yours, forsooth, and make excuse,
E'en then would be some stooping; and I choose
Never to stoop. Oh sir, she smiled, no doubt,
Whene'er I passed her; but who passed without
Much the same smile? This grew; I gave commands;
Then all smiles stopped together. There she stands
As if alive. Will't please you rise? We'll meet
The company below, then. I repeat,
The Count your master's known munificence
Is ample warrant that no just pretense
Of mine for dowry will be disallowed;
Though his fair daughter's self, as I avowed
At starting, is my object. Nay we'll go
Together down, sir. Notice Neptune, though,
Taming a sea-horse, thought a rarity,
Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me! 





Nikolaus Mardruz to his Master Ferdinand, Count of Tyrol, 1565

A tribute to Robert Browning and in
celebration of the 65th birthday of Harold
Bloom, who made such tribute only natural. 

   My Lord recalls Ferrara?  How walls 
ise out of water yet appear to recede
  identically
  into it, as if
uilt in both directions: soaring and sinking...
  Such mirroring was my first dismay--
        my next, having crossed
        the moat, was making
  out that, for all its grandeur, the great
ile, observed close to, is close to a ruin!
  (Even My Lord's most
  unstinting dowry
ay not restore this wasted precincts to what
  their deteriorating state demands.)
        Queasy it made me,
        glancing first down there
     at swans in the moat apparently
eeding on their own doubled image, then up
  at the citadel,
  so high--or so deep,
nd everywhere those carved effigies of 
  men and women, monsters among them
        crowding the ramparts
        and seeming at home
  in the dingy water that somehow
eld them up as if for our surveillance--ours?
  anyone's who looked!
  All that pretension
f marble display, the whole improbable
  menagerie with but one purpose:
        having to be seen.
        Such was the matter
  of Ferrara, and such the manner,
hen at last we met, of the Duke in greeting
  My Lordship's Envoy:
  life in fallen stone!
Several hours were to elapse, in the keeping 
  of his lackeys, before the Envoy 
        of My Lord the Count 
        of Tyrol might see 
  or even be seen to by His Grace 
he Duke of Ferrara, though from such neglect 
  no deliberate 
  slight need be inferred: 
ow that I have had an opportunity 
  --have had, indeed, the obligation-- 
        to fix on His Grace 
        that perlustration 
  or power of scrutiny for which 
I believe) My Lord holds his Envoy's service 
  in some favor still, 
  I see that the Duke, 
y his own lights or perhaps, more properly 
  said, by his own tenebrosity, 
        could offer some excuse 
        for such cunctation... 
  Appraising a set of cameos 
ust brought from Cairo by a Jew in his trust, 
  His Grace had been rapt 
  in connoisseurship, 
hat study which alone can distract him 
  from his wonted courtesy; he was 
        affability 
        itself, once his mind 
  could be deflected from mere objects.  
At last I presented (with those documents 
  which in some detail 
  describe and define 
he duties of both signators) the portrait 
  of your daughter the Countess, 
        observing the while 
        his countenance.  No 
  fault was found with our contract, of which 
ach article had been so correctly framed 
  (if I may say so) 
  as to ascertain 
 pre-nuptial alliance which must persuade 
  and please the most punctilious (and 
        impecunious) 
        of future husbands. 
  Principally, or (if I may be 
llowed the amendment) perhaps Ducally, 
  His Grace acknowledged 
  himself beguiled by 
ranach's portrait of our young Countess, praising 
  the design, the hues, the glaze--the frame 
        and appeared averse, 
        for a while, even 
  to letting the panel leave his hands! 
xamining those same hands, I was convinced 
  that no matter what 
  the result of our 
at this point, promising) negotiations, 
  your daughter's likeness must now remain 
        "for good," as we say, 
        among Ferrara's 
  treasures, already one more trophy 
n His Grace's multifarious holdings, 
  like those marble busts 
  lining the drawbridge, 
ike those weed-stained statues grinning up at us 
  from the still moat, and--inside as well 
        as out--those grotesque 
        figures and faces 
  fastened to the walls. So be it!  
               Real 
other (after all, one painting, for Cranach
  --and My Lord--need be  
  no great forfeiture) 
ommenced only when the Duke himself led me 
  out of the audience-chamber and 
        laboriously 
        (he is no longer 
  a young man) to a secret penthouse 
igh on the battlements where he can indulge 
  those despotic tastes 
  he denominates, 
     half smiling over the heartless words, 
the relative consolations of semblance."  
        "Sir, suppose you draw 
        that curtain," smiling 
  in earnest now, and so I sought--
ut what appeared a piece of drapery proved 
  a painted deceit!  
  My embarrassment 
fforded a cue for audible laughter, 
  and only then His Grace, visibly 
        relishing his trick, 
        turned the thing around, 
  whereupon appeared, on the reverse, 
he late Duchess of Ferrara to the life! 
  Instanter the Duke 
  praised the portrait 
o readily provided by one Pandolf--
  a monk by some profane article 
        attached to the court, 
        hence answerable 
  for taking likenesses as required 
n but a day's diligence, so it was claimed... 
  Myself I find it 
  but a mountebank's  
roficiency--another chicane, like that 
  illusive curtain, a waxwork sort 
        of nature called forth: 
        cold legerdemain! 
  Though extranea such as the hares 
copulating!), the doves, and a full-blown rose 
  were showily limned, 
  I could not discern 
ught to be loved in that countenance itself, 
  likely to rival, much less to excel 
        the life illumined 
        in Cranach's image 
  of our Countess, which His Grace had set 
eside the dead woman's presentment... And took, 
  so evident was 
  the supremacy, 
o further pains to assert Fra Pandolf's skill. 
  One last hard look, whereupon the Duke 
        resumed his discourse 
        in an altered tone, 
  now some unintelligible rant 
f stooping--His Grace chooses "never to stoop" 
  when he makes reproof... 
  My Lord will take this 
s but a figure:  not only is the Duke 
     no longer young, his body is so 
        queerly misshapen 
        that even to speak 
  of "not stooping" seems absurdity: 
he creature is stooped, whether by cruel 
  or impartial cause--say 
  Time or the Tempter-- 
 shall not venture to hypothecate. Cause 
  or no cause, it would appear he marked 
        some motive for his 
        "reproof," a mortal 
  chastisement in fact inflicted on 
is poor Duchess, put away (I take it so) 
  for smiling--at whom?  
  Brother Pandolf? or 
ome visitor to court during the sitting? 
  --too generally, if I construe 
        the Duke's clue rightly, 
        to survive the terms 
  of his... severe protocol.  My Lord, 
t the time it was delivered to me thus, 
  the admonition 
  if indeed it was 
ny such thing, seemed no more of a menace 
  than the rest of his rodomontade; 
        item, he pointed, 
        as we toiled downstairs, 
  to that bronze Neptune by our old Claus 
there must be at least six of them cluttering 
  the Summer Palace 
  at Innsbruck), claiming 
t was "cast in bronze for me."  Nonsense, of course.  
   But upon reflection, I suppose 
           we had better take 
           the old reprobate 
  at his unspeakable word... Why, even 
ssuming his boasts should be as plausible 
  as his avarice, 
  no "cause" for dismay: 
nce ensconced here as the Duchess, your daughter 
  need no more apprehend the Duke's 
           murderous temper 
           than his matchless taste.  
  For I have devised a means whereby 
he dowry so flagrantly pursued by our 
  insolvent Duke ("no 
  just pretense of mine 
e disallowed" indeed!), instead of being 
  paid as he pleads in one globose sum, 
           should drip into his 
           coffers by degrees--
  say, one fifth each year--then after five 
uch years, the dowry itself to be doubled, 
  always assuming 
  that Her Grace enjoys 
er usual smiling health.  The years are her 
  ally in such an arbitrament, 
           and with confidence 
           My Lord can assure 
  the new Duchess (assuming her Duke 
bides by these stipulations and his own 
  propensity for 
  accumulating 
semblances") the long devotion (so long as 
  he lasts ) of her last Duke... Or more likely, 
           if I guess aright 
           your daughter's intent, 
  of that young lordling I might make so 
old as to designate her next Duke, as well... 
               Ever determined in 
  My Lordship's service, 
  I remain his Envoy 
o Ferrara as to the world.  
                             Nikolaus Mardruz.




From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 12:54 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: poems about a poem



How about the triple play of Marlowe's Passionate Shepherd, followed by Ralegh's reply, followed (a few centuries later) by William Carlos Williams weighing in with "Raleigh Was Right"?  No doubt others besides WCW have put their oar in on this one especially.


There's a wonderful anthology of answering-back poems called Conversation Pieces.


http://www.amazon.com/Conversation-Pieces-Everymans-Library-Pocket/dp/0307265455/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1280346524&sr=1-4








========================================
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Home Page:
http://web.me.com/drjazz


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On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Connie Voisine wrote:


does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.


thanks all...

-- 
Connie Voisine
Associate Professor of English
New Mexico State University
cvoisine at nmsu.edu
575-646-2027
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From jeff.newberry  Wed Jul 28 14:25:14 2010
From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Wed Jul 28 14:25:14 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
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There's Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach" and Anthony Hecht's "The Dover
Bitch."

Jeff Newberry

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:

> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can
> find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that
> reference specific poems.
>
> thanks all...
>
> --
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that
is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and
experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar
needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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From bobgrumman  Wed Jul 28 16:27:08 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed Jul 28 16:27:08 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gma
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Connie, your question made me wonder if there are any poems that are 
also critical studies of other poems.  I wrote one that's a critical 
study of one of my own poems, but can't think of one anyone's written 
that's a critical study of someone else's poems, although I may have!  
Seems to me an interesting poem might result.

--Bob

From halvard  Wed Jul 28 21:16:10 2010
From: halvard (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:16:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Status Quo
Message-ID: <AANLkTinW6DBz=UKOhoHhAhwuu6Jsh-RCwe0iDm_gtHX-@mail.gmail.com>

Status Quo

Children laboring in the remote forests of a usually
peaceful county, portraits of pariahs nailed
to every tree. Whispered discussions of the myth

of counterinsurgency, every time they had a break.
And what if the war never ends? The question
on every mind, yet never spoken.

The rest of the country taking up arms against a sea
many miles beyond its borders.



Hal    Serving the tri-state area.

Halvard Johnson
================

halvard at gmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
<http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and
Other Sonnets*
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets

*Tango Bouquet*
<http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en

<https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
*Theory of Harmony*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
*
*Rapsodie espagnole*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
Sonnet Project*
*
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
*
*
*
*<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
G(e)nome*
*http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
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From brian_tuney  Wed Jul 28 21:18:47 2010
From: brian_tuney (Brian Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:18:47 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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As well as John Tranter's "Grover Leach"

Brian

--- On Thu, 29/7/10, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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There's Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach" and Anthony Hecht's "The Dover Bitch."

Jeff Newberry

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:


does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.


thanks all...

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From brian_tuney  Wed Jul 28 21:20:30 2010
From: brian_tuney (Brian Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:20:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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My favourite is Kenneth Koch's poem "The Circus" about the writing of his earlier poem, also called "The Circus"

Brian

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From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Received: Thursday, 29 July, 2010, 3:29 AM

does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.
thanks all...

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Associate Professor of English
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From editor  Wed Jul 28 21:24:01 2010
From: editor (David Baratier)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:24:01 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 73, Issue 36
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Pretty sure the title is "The Circus" by Kenneth Koch. It has a second poem that I think is called "When I wrote the circus." The second poem is a detailed account of writing the first.


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From nic_sebastian  Wed Jul 28 21:47:39 2010
From: nic_sebastian (Nic Sebastian)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:47:39 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Final Ten Questions on Poets & Technology - Eric
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Technology *is* poetry! Eric Elshtain responds this week to Ten Questions on Poets and Technology -  http://bit.ly/bkJCAoThis series has now ended.Series' standing page: http://bit.ly/c0aBUbBest, NicNic Sebastianhttp://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com
 		 	   		  
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From anny.ballardini  Wed Jul 28 23:26:43 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed Jul 28 23:26:43 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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I love point #9, :-)

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

> One point I forgot to make and want to: whether one is jealous of another
> artist has nothing at all to do with whether or not one's low view of that
> artist is valid or not.
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From bobgrumman  Thu Jul 29 05:46:19 2010
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Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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> I love point #9, :-)
That one is definitely the clincher.

--Bob

From grahamd  Thu Jul 29 05:50:23 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Thu Jul 29 05:50:23 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: poems about a poem
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There's only one Nabokov, of course, but it seems to me that if you think of "critical study" in the most poetic terms, then practically every poem written to/about an earlier poem may qualify.  See that anthology *Conversation Pieces* that I recommended yesterday, for a rich set of examples.  You don't have to be Harold Bloom to recognize that poets are always quibbling, correcting, mis-reading, complaining about, and otherwise acting in critical relation to precursors.  

Let me recommend Sharon Bryan's "Abiding Love" as a particularly brilliant example.  In it she meditates deeply--and very critically-- on William Carlos Williams's "Asphodel, That Greeny Flower."  Williams' is a great but flawed long poem--& incidentally, wasn't it Jarrell who defined the novel as a long piece of fiction that had something wrong with it?


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On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Bob Grumman wrote:

> Connie, your question made me wonder if there are any poems that are also critical studies of other poems.  I wrote one that's a critical study of one of my own poems, but can't think of one anyone's written that's a critical study of someone else's poems, although I may have!  Seems to me an interesting poem might result.
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From grahamd  Thu Jul 29 06:45:58 2010
From: grahamd (David Graham)
Date: Thu Jul 29 06:45:58 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jack Ridl on "How a Poem Happens"
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Do you believe in inspiration? How much of this poem was ?received? and how much was the result of sweat and tears? 

I do and I don't believe in inspiration. I've studied zen for more than forty years and this practice has enabled me to sustain what I guess I'd call a kind of inspired way of being in the world. Anything can inspire me, but I hasten to add that it's not inspiration in the common usage of being overcome or having a kind of higher consciousness experience. I probably work to have a lower consciousness experience! This poem is a pretty good example or embodiment of this. Our daughter when she was a little kid would always say about just about anything, "How can that be!" To this day she does. That's pretty much how I am as well. It's that kind of inspiration. After that, in the writing, no sweat and tears. I always say that I have enough of that stuff in my days. I don't want poetry to be just another thing to "Deal with, cope with." Nope. The "work" is a joy. It always rewards, brings realizations and surprises. I'm a basketball coach's son. You learn early that work is not tedium. It's a profound form of play, joy. You learn to play the game. I loved to practice. I'd practice all day. Same with poems. And it's not to be misunderstood as taking things lightly or just messing around or settling for. I love the revision part. It's practice. "Let's see if I can crossover dribble and hit a fadeaway."

--Jack Ridl, interviewed by Brian Brodeur.

Read the poem, and the rest of the interview, here:
Blog:  How a Poem Happens: Contemporary Poets Discuss the Making of Poems.  27 July 2010.

http://howapoemhappens.blogspot.com/2010/07/jack-ridl.html


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Date: Thu Jul 29 07:43:29 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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Keats' sonnet "On First Looking into Chapman's Homer"

Nemerov's "Ozymandias II"

Every parody



On Jul 28, 2010, at 15:25, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:

> yes oh yes...
> 
> c
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:15 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
> Does this count...
>  
> On first looking into Chapman's Homer 
>    
> MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,   
>   And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;   
>   Round many western islands have I been   
> Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.   
> Oft of one wide expanse had I been told          5 
>   That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:   
>   Yet did I never breathe its pure serene   
> Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:   
> Then felt I like some watcher of the skies   
>   When a new planet swims into his ken;   10 
> Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes   
>   He stared at the Pacific?and all his men   
> Look'd at each other with a wild surmise?   
>   Silent, upon a peak in Darien. 
> John Keats
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
> To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 1:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
> 
> thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should have been more specific.
> 
> c
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com> wrote:
> You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.
> 
> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> 
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> 
> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye and Other Sonnets
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
> 
> Tango Bouquet
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
> 
> Theory of Harmony
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
> 
> Rapsodie espagnole
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
> 
> The Sonnet Project
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
> 
> G(e)nome
> http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:
> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any that reference specific poems.
> 
> thanks all...
> 
> -- 
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
> 
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> 
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From Opus40-01  Thu Jul 29 08:27:44 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Thu Jul 29 08:27:44 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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There's one of mine in Iowa Review (Winter 2008-2009) that references 
Auden's "On the Death of W. B. Yeats."

Connie Voisine wrote:
> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i 
> can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of 
> any that reference specific poems.
>
> thanks all...
>
> -- 
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu <mailto:cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
> 575-646-2027
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From junction  Thu Jul 29 08:35:41 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Thu Jul 29 08:35:41 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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Rochelle Owens, WC Fields in a New Light, is 
almost entirely referential to WCW. New and Selected Poems.

Armand Schwerner's "a letter to Paul Blackburn 
preceded by a letter Rainer Maria Rilke wroye 13 
dats before his death in 1926 to Rudolph Kastner. Selected Shorter Poems.

At 10:39 AM 7/29/2010, you wrote:
>There's one of mine in Iowa Review (Winter 
>2008-2009) that references Auden's "On the Death of W. B. Yeats."
>
>Connie Voisine wrote:
>>does anybody have any models (historical and 
>>contemporary) for this? i can find poems that 
>>reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think 
>>of any that reference specific poems.
>>
>>thanks all...
>>
>>--
>>Connie Voisine
>>Associate Professor of English
>>New Mexico State University
>>cvoisine at nmsu.edu <mailto:cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
>>575-646-2027
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
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New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From seamascain  Thu Jul 29 08:36:50 2010
From: seamascain (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=)
Date: Thu Jul 29 08:36:50 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Signs & Writings
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_______________


"Signs & Writings"

at the Fundaci? Su?ol

in Barcelona, Spain

http://fundaciosunol.org/exposicions/exposicions.php?lang=2

"All the works in this exhibition form part of the Josep Su?ol
Collection and were created between 1972 and the present day.  The
forty-two pieces chosen here reveal the recurring use of signs and
writing in painting, collage and tapestry as a visual reading of the
artists? need to communicate."

The artistic contributions document "multiple polysemy, which this
exhibition aims to show with signs and writing as the backbone to the
aesthetic language, whose iconography of composite material lines
sketches out the artists? thoughts and is genetically contained in
their signs, in the world of their ideas."

http://fundaciosunol.org/exposicions/exposicions.php?lang=2

Creative regards,

S?amas Cain
http://www.saorsainn.net
http://alazanto.org/seamascain
http://seamascain-writernetwork.org

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From Opus40-01  Thu Jul 29 09:00:15 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Thu Jul 29 09:00:15 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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Annie Finch and Meg Kearney have both written poems on "La Belle Dame 
Sans Merci."

Mark Weiss wrote:
> Rochelle Owens, WC Fields in a New Light, is almost entirely 
> referential to WCW. New and Selected Poems.
>
> Armand Schwerner's "a letter to Paul Blackburn preceded by a letter 
> Rainer Maria Rilke wroye 13 dats before his death in 1926 to Rudolph 
> Kastner. Selected Shorter Poems.
>
> At 10:39 AM 7/29/2010, you wrote:
>> There's one of mine in Iowa Review (Winter 2008-2009) that references 
>> Auden's "On the Death of W. B. Yeats."
>>
>> Connie Voisine wrote:
>>> does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? 
>>> i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't 
>>> think of any that reference specific poems.
>>>
>>> thanks all...
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Connie Voisine
>>> Associate Professor of English
>>> New Mexico State University
>>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu < mailto:cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
>>> 575-646-2027
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Tad Richards
>> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>>
>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>>
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>
>
>
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, /As Landscape.
> /$16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of 
> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
> through every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, 
> Weiss? fragments are like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
> left out, the more they seem to contain? One can hear echoes from all 
> the various ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is 
> pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment is both elegant and 
> bafflingly clear, a pure musical threnody?[it] opens a window, not 
> only into a mind, but a person, a personality, this human figure at 
> the emotional center of the poem."
>
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From c.a.b.daly  Thu Jul 29 10:21:59 2010
From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly)
Date: Thu Jul 29 10:21:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <4C519A35.70903@opus40.org>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C519294.6030504@opus40.org>
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	<4C519A35.70903@opus40.org>
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A lot of found poems found in poems are simultaneously about the originals
and a critique of them.  MS of My Kin (Janet Holmes) and Emily Dickinson --
not one poem, but *all* of them.  Jen Bergin's NETS and the Shakes. sonnets;
Steve McCaffrey's of the punctuation in the sonnets; Kenneth Goldsmith and
the punctuation in Stein.  Jackson MacLow, RadiOS and Pound's Cantos.  Tom
Phillips, A Humament.  Cole Swensen.  Jena Osman?

I've got quite a few myself; rewrites of the Oos (admittedly, prayers not
poems), edited Amaretti (Spenser), the glosses / margin notes to the Preface
of Piers Plowman and the middle english words glossed as a poem and
translation.

Then, too, cut ups and OuLiPo manipulations of poems:  I've got an N + 3 of
Divine Comedy Canto XXX.  What about Bruce Andrews and the Divine Comedy?
 Etc.

-- 
All best,
Catherine Daly
c.a.b.daly at gmail.com
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From editor  Thu Jul 29 14:31:59 2010
From: editor (David Baratier)
Date: Thu Jul 29 14:31:59 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <201007291600.o6TG04xc003681@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <254490.94091.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Brian--

We had the same poem thought at the same time. Wow--
you must be brilliant!

Be well

David Baratier, Editor

Pavement Saw Press
321 Empire Street
Montpelier OH 43543
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> 
> My favourite is Kenneth Koch's poem "The Circus" about the
> writing of his earlier poem, also called "The Circus"
> 
> Brian



      


From jforjames  Thu Jul 29 17:58:07 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul 29 17:58:07 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Davis and Crazyhorse
Message-ID: <8CCFD92A7C0315A-2E5C-258C@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/jul/29/how-we-can-pay-the-poets/

As a professor of poetry at the College of Charleston, she shares her talent with future wordsmiths and helps edit a magazine called "Crazyhorse," which has survived 50 years in many homes, the last decade as an itinerant guest on her campus. 

Its muted goal is to publish prose and poetry of the highest order, twice a year. 

Davis and her husband, editor Garrett Doherty, select a slender slice from more than 10,000 submissions a year. 
"Poets live to contribute to small magazines all their lives," Davis said. 

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From jforjames  Fri Jul 30 12:28:54 2010
From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jul 30 12:28:54 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Alice Eve and Adam
Message-ID: <8CCFE2DD2AC9BCF-2124-1078@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1299030/British-actress-Alice-Eve-passionately-kisses-poet-boyfriend-fun-sun-London.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

She's most famous for playing the scene-stealing nanny in Sex And The City 2.

And yesterday Alice Eve was the centre of attention once again as she enjoyed a passionate kiss with boyfriend Adam O'Riordan at a caf? in London.

The 28-year-old actress couldn't keep her hands, or lips, off her poet beau as they had a meal together while sitting outside in the sun.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/adamoriordan


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From obodooha  Fri Jul 30 14:04:35 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Fri Jul 30 14:04:35 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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I have also critiqued poems with poems, for instance, my "13 Floors above
See Level <http://obododimma.livejournal.com/4250.html>," which reads and
writes back to Bob BruecKL's "13 Little Poems":
http://obododimma.livejournal.com/4250.html .

-- Obododimma.


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu> wrote:

> yes oh yes...
>
> c
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:15 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  Does this count...
>>
>> On first looking into Chapman's Homer
>>
>> MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,
>>   And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
>>   Round many western islands have I been
>> Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
>> Oft of one wide expanse had I been told          5
>>   That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:
>>   Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
>> Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
>> Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
>>   When a new planet swims into his ken;   10
>> Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
>>   He stared at the Pacific?and all his men
>> Look'd at each other with a wild surmise?
>>   Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
>>  John Keats
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
>> To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 1:53 pm
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
>>
>> thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should
>> have been more specific.
>>
>>  c
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.
>>>
>>> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>>>
>>> Halvard Johnson
>>> ================
>>>
>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
>>>  <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye
>>> and Other Sonnets*
>>>
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>
>>>  *Tango Bouquet*
>>> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
>>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
>>> *Theory of Harmony*
>>> *
>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>>> *
>>>  *Rapsodie espagnole*
>>> *
>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
>>> Sonnet Project*
>>> *
>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
>>> G(e)nome*
>>> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this? i
>>>> can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any
>>>> that reference specific poems.
>>>>
>>>>  thanks all...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Connie Voisine
>>>> Associate Professor of English
>>>> New Mexico State University
>>>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>>>> 575-646-2027
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Connie Voisine
>> Associate Professor of English
>> New Mexico State University
>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>> 575-646-2027
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Connie Voisine
> Associate Professor of English
> New Mexico State University
> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
> 575-646-2027
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>


-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
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From obodooha  Fri Jul 30 14:16:12 2010
From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha)
Date: Fri Jul 30 14:16:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
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Here below is Bob's "13 little poems" that my poem addresses:

13 little poems



"maple syrup"



ample embers
intersect less:

tears afire
death's

oblique
butt:

rimmed
spokes

stirring girders'
nests of rust

to sparkle
to and fro,

not unlike
unlit love

implicit in
the wee hours

___________________

startled whittling litter
blowing across
the quavering
radiance of shifting
shafts of light

______________________

couldn't see
crooked:

spackled sapling
tears an ass
wordless:

sap
sop

___________________

wrenched
hinges
wane

in an
unlost
trance

_______________

instant
smudges of praise:

exalted light-
bright pasture gold,

glowing between

one leaf
on top of
another

______________________

yolk yoke:
yuk-yuk

__________________

aintcha
even got a cracked
bare ass piss-pot?

__________________

head down
on mouthharp:

sun blood glare

on wires
overhead

preening spines
sublime strands:

shoo

_____________________

cut the riff --

transfixed colors
tang:  eggplant

_____________________

"nascent"


so slight a
rift whacks

the light thru
snowfences'

quartzite
paradise:

whodya
fuck?

__________________

"peduncle"


nothing whelps

to die thru
a cipher:

pinhead
pinhole
petiole:

absent wind chill burr

_________________________

cruising above
the dankest, shitless
quivering clouds:

no shut-eye
on the red-
eye:  pink eye

_________________________

come what
may, May
came



--Bob BrueckL

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have also critiqued poems with poems, for instance, my "13 Floors above
> See Level <http://obododimma.livejournal.com/4250.html>," which reads and
> writes back to Bob BruecKL's "13 Little Poems":
> http://obododimma.livejournal.com/4250.html .
>
> -- Obododimma.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>wrote:
>
>> yes oh yes...
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:15 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Does this count...
>>>
>>> On first looking into Chapman's Homer
>>>
>>> MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,
>>>   And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
>>>   Round many western islands have I been
>>> Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
>>> Oft of one wide expanse had I been told          5
>>>   That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:
>>>   Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
>>> Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
>>> Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
>>>   When a new planet swims into his ken;   10
>>> Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
>>>   He stared at the Pacific?and all his men
>>> Look'd at each other with a wild surmise?
>>>   Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
>>>  John Keats
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>
>>> To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views <
>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 1:53 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
>>>
>>> thanks, but i am looking for one poem about another poem...maybe i should
>>> have been more specific.
>>>
>>>  c
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You might start (and maybe even finish) with Pound and Eliot.
>>>>
>>>> Hal    Serving the tri-state area.
>>>>
>>>> Halvard Johnson
>>>> ================
>>>>
>>>> halvard at gmail.com
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>>> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
>>>>  <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye
>>>> and Other Sonnets*
>>>>
>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>>>>
>>>>  *Tango Bouquet*
>>>> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en>
>>>> *Theory of Harmony*
>>>> *
>>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>>>> *
>>>>  *Rapsodie espagnole*
>>>> *
>>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf>The
>>>> Sonnet Project*
>>>> *
>>>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf>
>>>> G(e)nome*
>>>> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Connie Voisine <cvoisine at nmsu.edu>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  does anybody have any models (historical and contemporary) for this?
>>>>> i can find poems that reference fiction, movies, etc. but can't think of any
>>>>> that reference specific poems.
>>>>>
>>>>>  thanks all...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Connie Voisine
>>>>> Associate Professor of English
>>>>> New Mexico State University
>>>>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>>>>> 575-646-2027
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Connie Voisine
>>> Associate Professor of English
>>> New Mexico State University
>>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>>> 575-646-2027
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Connie Voisine
>> Associate Professor of English
>> New Mexico State University
>> cvoisine at nmsu.edu
>> 575-646-2027
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> --
> Obododimma Oha
> http://udude.wordpress.com/
>
> Dept. of English
> University of Ibadan
> Nigeria
>
> &
>
> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
> University of Ibadan
>
> Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
>             +234 805 350 6604;
>             +234 808 264 8060.
>
>
>


-- 
Obododimma Oha
http://udude.wordpress.com/

Dept. of English
University of Ibadan
Nigeria

&

Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies
University of Ibadan

Phone: +234 803 333 1330;
            +234 805 350 6604;
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From bobgrumman  Fri Jul 30 14:52:12 2010
From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman)
Date: Fri Jul 30 14:52:12 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about a poem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=W5ZkDJLFPHT4r3+UG=-Hvt4FfM2Phf-xF4tE=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmWZSN8V4i6+KTpCYgz_4wXb5UbqoR0JPWE1_O@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTinhSVmZ6hipRuXUDy+_tVWRekJH1xsedaKFQVe2@mail.gma
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I just recalled that in my "Mathemaku for Robert Lax," I quote a poem by 
Lax in its entirety!  Which I mention not as a boast but as an oddity.  
(And not hard to do, as Lax was a minimalist poet, the poem of his I 
quoted just twelve words in length.)  The rest of the poem is 
effectually a commentary on the Lax poem.  I suspect that the best 
portions of all my best poems are stolen from other poets, though not to 
the degree this one is.

--Bob

From atelierjewelweed  Fri Jul 30 20:35:30 2010
From: atelierjewelweed (Suzanne Burns)
Date: Fri Jul 30 20:35:30 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holzer projects Szymborska on ICA Boston
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I love Jenny Holzer.  She has inspired me for many years both as a poet and
as a visual artist.  I find her work delightful.

Suzanne

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>wrote:

>
>  I love point #9, :-)
>>
> That one is definitely the clincher.
>
>
> --Bob
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From Opus40-01  Sat Jul 31 08:03:10 2010
From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat Jul 31 08:03:10 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet on Horseback
Message-ID: <4C542FD6.7090106@opus40.org>

nstead of talking to schoolchildren or promoting poetry through local 
libraries, Montana's poet laureate Henry Real Bird decided to carry out 
his duty the true Montana way. The cowboy and member of the Crow nation 
is on a 500-mile horseback trip, halfway across the state, handing out 
books of his poetry along the way.



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128877656

-- 
Tad Richards
Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner

http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


From junction  Sat Jul 31 08:31:33 2010
From: junction (Mark Weiss)
Date: Sat Jul 31 08:31:33 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet on Horseback
In-Reply-To: <4C542FD6.7090106@opus40.org>
References: <4C542FD6.7090106@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <E1OfDHu-0004xE-9r@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Be nice to know what the horse thinks.

At 10:14 AM 7/31/2010, you wrote:
>nstead of talking to schoolchildren or promoting 
>poetry through local libraries, Montana's poet 
>laureate Henry Real Bird decided to carry out 
>his duty the true Montana way. The cowboy and 
>member of the Crow nation is on a 500-mile 
>horseback trip, halfway across the state, 
>handing out books of his poetry along the way.
>
>
>
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128877656
>
>--
>Tad Richards
>Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
>http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>
>http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
>_______________________________________________
>New-Poetry mailing list
>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry



New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
$16.  Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm


"What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a 
lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the 
poet alive in every sense of the word, and 
through every one of his senses. Instead of 
missing a beat or a part, Weiss? fragments are 
like Chekhov?s short stories?the more that gets 
left out, the more they seem to contain
 One can 
hear echoes from all the various 
ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its 
core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment 
is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure 
musical threnody
[it] opens a window, not only 
into a mind, but a person, a personality, this 
human figure at the emotional center of the poem."

M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. 
http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul 31 12:31:27 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul 31 12:31:27 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Cortesini and The Smithsonian American Art Museum
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjobERoASNX7bWfPEERuyHOe5BhQGxWAAfZ=Qe@mail.gmail.com>

The Smithsonian American Art Museum is pleased to announce that Sergio
Cortesini of the University of Cassino in Italy has been awarded the 2010
Terra Foundation for American Art International Essay Prize. Cortesini was
selected for his essay ?Unseen Canvases: Italian Painters and Fascist Myths
across the American Scene.?



Cortesini is the first winner of the prize, which recognizes excellent
scholarship by a scholar in the field of American art history who is based
outside the United States. The annual award, supported by the Terra
Foundation for American Art, honors essays that advance the understanding of
historical American art and demonstrate new findings and original
perspectives. Essays written in foreign languages are translated into
English for publication. As the winning author, Cortesini receives a $500
award and his essay will be published in the Spring 2011 issue of the
museum?s journal *American Art*.



Cortesini?s essay describes the Italian government?s program to send a
series of exhibitions of contemporary art to the United States between 1935
and World War II in an attempt to offset through cultural diplomacy Fascist
Italy?s belligerent image in America. In particular, it traces the reception
of one exhibition that toured to twelve venues across the country, including
the Minnesota State Fair, in 1935-36. The essay was chosen on the
recommendation of a four-member international review panel, which evaluated
manuscripts submitted for the prize following a call for papers.



For information on submitting papers for the 2011 prize, please see
www.americanart.si.edu/research/awards/terra/. The deadline for submissions
is January 14, 2011.



The journal American Art is published three times per year by the American
Art Museum and the University of Chicago Press (
www.americanart.edu/research/journal). The Terra Foundation for American Art
seeks to enliven and expand the study of the history of American art by
encouraging the participation of scholars worldwide. Information about its
initiatives, grant program, and collection is online at
www.terraamericanart.org.




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-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul 31 12:35:37 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul 31 12:35:37 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Directions in Cultural Studies
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2aYPinmeLPRUBdAgLkksfYAzHtoDCD_Hq0hsy@mail.gmail.com>

*Call for Proposals*

*Cultural Studies Association *

*Ninth Annual Conference*



*NEW DIRECTIONS IN CULTURAL STUDIES*

*Columbia College Chicago*

*Chicago, Illinois*

*24-26 March, 2011*


*Deadline for Proposals*:* 17 September 2010*
*Website for Submissions Opens: 21 July 2010*

*http://www.culturalstudiesassociation.org/*<http://www.culturalstudiesassociation.org/>

*Conference Theme and Location*

The Cultural Studies Association (CSA) invites participation in its ninth
annual conference.  The theme of this year?s conference,* New Directions in
Cultural Studies*, encourages the submission of proposals that reflect on
the past(s) and present(s) of the field of cultural studies and endeavor to
lay the groundwork of its future(s).  We are particularly interested in work
that addresses the current historical conjuncture, one characterized by
crises and uncertainties of all kinds: social, economic, political,
cultural, institutional, and intellectual.  As at past CSA conferences, we
welcome proposals from all areas and on all topics of relevance to cultural
studies, including but not limited to literature, history, sociology,
geography, politics, anthropology, communications, popular culture, cultural
theory, queer studies, critical race studies, feminist studies, postcolonial
studies, legal studies, science studies, media and film studies, material
culture studies, visual art and performance studies.

This year?s conference is hosted by Columbia College Chicago, the largest
arts and media school in the United States with over 13,500 students
pursuing degrees within over 120 undergraduate and graduate programs,
including a well-established undergraduate program in Cultural Studies.
Founded in 1890, the College houses a Museum of Contemporary Photography,
the Center for Black Music Research, the International Latino Cultural
Center, and the Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in Arts and
Media, and is located in downtown Chicago, blocks from the Symphony Center
of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, the Art Institute of Chicago, the Gene
Siskel Film Center, the Museum Campus and the Theater District.  The city is
also home to over a dozen independent film festivals, around 200 theatre
groups and venues, more than 88 colleges, several internationally recognized
research libraries, over 35 radio stations (in several languages), and more
than 25 magazines and newspapers, just to name a few cultural and media
institutions.

We particularly invite proposals that engage with this conference location
and its many resources.

*Conference Formats: Papers, Panels, Roundtables, Workshops, Seminars, and
Division Sessions*



Conference formats are intended to encourage the presentation and discussion of
projects at different stages of development and to foster intellectual
exchange and collaboration.  Please feel free to adapt the suggested formats
or propose others in order to suit your session?s goals.  If you have any
questions, please address them to csaus at pitt.edu.



All of the conference session formats listed below will be 105 minutes in
length.

The conference has a finite set of resources available in terms of space and
technology.  In your proposal, you can request specific space and technical
accommodations, including audio-visual equipment such as video/data
projectors and DVD/VCR combo players.  You will be asked to provide a short
justification for your request in terms of the goals and format of your
session.  Requests will be evaluated in terms of these justifications and
available resources.

1. INDIVIDUAL PAPERS

Successful papers will reach several constituencies of the organization and
will connect analysis to social, political, economic, or ethical questions.

Proposals for papers should include: the title of the paper; the name,
title, affiliation, and email address of the author; and an abstract of the
20 minute paper (<500 words).


2. PRE-CONSTITUTED PANELS

Pre-constituted panels allow a team of 3-4 individuals to present their
research, work, and/or experiences, leaving 30-45 minutes of the session for
questions and discussion.  Panels should include 3-4 participants.

Proposals for pre-constituted panels should include: the title of the panel;
the name, title, affiliation, and contact information of the panel
organizer; the names, titles, affiliations, and email addresses of all
panelists, and a chair and/or discussant; a description of the panel's topic
(<500 words); and abstracts for each presentation (<150 words).

3. ROUNDTABLES

Roundtables allow a group of participants to convene with the goal of
generating discussion around a shared concern.  In contrast to panels,
roundtables typically involve shorter position or dialogue statements (5-10
minutes) in response to questions distributed in advance by the organizer.  The
majority of roundtable sessions should be devoted to discussion.  Roundtables
are limited to no more than five participants, including the organizer.  We
encourage roundtables involving participants from different institutions,
centers, and organizations.

Proposals for roundtables should include: the title of the roundtable; the
name, title, affiliation, and contact information of the roundtable
organizer; the names, titles, affiliations, and email addresses of the
proposed roundtable participants; and a description of the position
statements, questions, or debates that will be under discussion (<500
words).

4. WORKSHOPS

Workshops allow a facilitator or facilitating team to set an agenda, pose
opening questions, and/or organize hands-on participant activities.  The
facilitator or team is responsible for gathering responses and results from
participants and helping everyone digest them.

Proposals for workshops should include: the title of the workshop; the name,
title, affiliation, and contact information of the (lead) facilitator and of
any co-facilitators; a description of the activities to be undertaken (<500
words).  Please also include a description of space requirements, if
appropriate

5. SEMINARS

Seminars are small-group (maximum 15 individuals) discussion sessions for
which participants prepare in advance of the conference.  In previous years,
preparation has involved shared readings, pre-circulated ''position papers''
by seminar leaders and/or participants, and other forms of pre-conference
collaboration.  We particularly invite proposals for seminars designed to
advance emerging lines of inquiry and research/teaching initiatives within
cultural studies broadly construed.  We also invite seminars designed to
generate future collaborations among conference attendees.  Once a limited
number of seminar topics and leaders are chosen, the seminars will be
announced through the CSA's various public e-mail lists. Participants will
contact the seminar leader(s) directly who will then inform the Program
Committee who will participate in the seminar.  Seminars will be marked in
the conference programs as either closed to non-participants or open to
other conference attendees as auditors (or in other roles).

A limited number of seminars will be selected by the program committee, with
a call for participation announced on the CSA webpage and listserv no later
than* 4 October 2010*.  Interested parties will apply directly to the
seminar leader(s) for admission to the session by* 12 November 2010*.
Seminar leader(s) will be responsible for providing the program committee
with a confirmed list of participants (names, titles, affiliations, and
email addresses required) for inclusion in the conference program no later
than* 22 November 2010*. * Please note: To run at the conference, seminars
must garner a minimum of 8 participants, in addition to the seminar
leader(s).*

Proposals for seminars should include: the title of the seminar; the name,
title, affiliation, and contact information of the seminar leader/team
members; and a description of the issues and questions that will be raised
in discussion, along with a description of the work to be completed by
participants in advance of the seminar (<500 words).  Examples of successful
seminar descriptions are available on the conference website.

Individuals interested in participating in (rather than leading) a seminar
should consult the list of seminars and the instructions for signing up for
them, available at conference website after* 4 October 2010*.  Please direct
questions about seminars to S. Charusheela: s.charsheela at unlv.edu.



6. DIVISION SESSIONS

A list of CSA divisions is available at http://www.csaus.pitt.edu.  All
divisions have two sessions at their command.  Divisions may elect to post
calls on the CSA site for papers and procedures for submission to division
sessions or handle the creation of their two division sessions by other
means.  Division chairs will submit their two sessions, including the
appropriate information as listed above, to the conference website.  They
should also email their two sessions directly to the CSA?s ?division
wrangler? ? Sora Han: sora.han at uci.edu ? by* 17 September 2010*.

*Submission Deadline and Process*

The CSA administers submissions electronically.  Please prepare all the
materials required to propose your session according to the given directions
before you begin electronic submission.  We recommend saving a copy of this
information in a Word document.  Then go to:
http://www.culturalstudiesassociation.org/.  You will be asked to enter the
information into the fields provided (you may choose to cut and paste).

The Program Committee will send final notifications regarding session
proposals no later than* 1 December 2010*.

In order to be listed in the program, conference registration ? which
includes membership in the CSA ? must be completed online before* 10 March
2010*.  All program information ? names, presentation titles, and
institutional affiliations ? will be based on initial conference
submissions.


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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From anny.ballardini  Sat Jul 31 12:41:45 2010
From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat Jul 31 12:41:45 2010
Subject: [New-Poetry] Otoliths Issue 18
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnwcTWawWQWvbkcX87DdF=EWGBi8YEEQK0amNy@mail.gmail.com>

Issue 18, the southern winter 2010 issue, of
Otoliths<http://the-otolith.blogspot.com/>has just gone live.



Let's get the obvious pun out of the way first. This is an august issue.
It's packed with text in its many forms?as story, essay, review, or poem?as
well as a wide range of visual media: collages, frottages, glyphs,
postcards, paintings, notebook pages & some great new vispo.



Included in the issue are Emma Smith, Eileen R. Tabios, Mark Cunningham, Ed
Baker, Piotr Gwiazda, Anne Gorrick, Ed Higgins, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen,
Manfred Weidhorn, Carlos Soto-Rom?n, Sally Ann McIntyre, James Maughn, Mark
Francis Johnson, Sheila E. Murphy, Amanda Earl, Orchid Tierney, Philip Byron
Oakes, Raymond Farr, Joe Balaz, Randall Brock, Meaghan Lank, Jeff Harrison,
Mary Kasimor, Bruno Neiva, Benjamin Winkler, M. V. Montgomery, Ric Carfagna,
Jessica Breheny, Jal Nicholl, Alexander Jorgensen, Mark Stricker, Reed
Altemus, Jenny Enochsson, Felino Soriano, Corey Wakeling, Grzegorz
Wr?blewski, Lars Palm, Thomas Fink, Dorothee Lang & Steve Wing, Larry
Sawyer, Paul Siegell, Beth Boettcher, Charles Freeland, Jake David, M?rton
Kopp?ny, Katrinka Moore, Aidan Semmens, Connor Stratman, Stephen Nelson &
Mike Cannell, SJ Fowler, Cath Vidler, Cecelia Chapman, rob mclennan, Cherie
Hunter Day, Neil Ellman, Geof Huth, R. Riekki, Tony Brinkley, sean burn,
Scott Metz, Travis Macdonald, Stuart Barnes, Spencer Selby, Keith
Higginbotham, Sam Langer, Tony Rickaby, Bob Heman, Andrew Topel, Andrew
Taylor, John Martone, Brad Vogler, Bobbi Lurie, Michael Brandonisio, Yonah
Korngold, J. D. Nelson, Tyler L. Gobble reviewing Adam Robinson's *Say, Poem
*, Sheila E. Murphy reviewing *Out of the Box: Contemporary Australian Gay
and Lesbian Poets*, Cassie Eddington, & Colleen Lookingbill.



Enough there, & of sufficient variety, to keep everybody happy.


-- 
Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
star!
Friedrich Nietzsche

? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique
vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ?
Giovenale
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