From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Sat Jan 2 18:06:48 2010 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:06:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] a noun sing =?iso-8859-1?q?e=B7ratio_13_=B7_featuring_the_Alan_H?= =?iso-8859-1?q?alsey_interview?= Message-ID: <396825a6a1999f0765322d23d19c6fd9.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> e? a noun sing e?ratio 13 ? 2010 ? featuring the Alan Halsey interview with poetry by Laynie Browne, Jill Jones, Jane Adam, Jeff Encke, Joseph F. Keppler, Mark Cunningham, Jadon Rempel, Keith Higginbotham, Anne Fitzgerald, and Halvard Johnson e?ratio editions e-chaps by Travis Macdonald and Carey Scott Wilkerson and featuring The Alan Halsey Interview edited for real by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/issue13.html e? From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 2 14:44:28 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:44:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wally In-Reply-To: References: <200912311700.nBVH04ZK019436@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4B3FA21C.1070901@nut-n-but.net> A lot went on at New-Poetry while I was vacationing. I'll try to catch up during the next week of so. Today, I just want to congratulate Wally Stevens for his latest book's making a list of best poetry books of the year. Nice to see that being dead hasn't slowed him. His work is as good as ever! --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 04:48:16 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:48:16 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy New Year, friends and neighbors! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001010148h6942ee25ne14af77d020a72ff@mail.gmail.com> Happiest New Year to Halvard and to all. I followed Andre' Breton's writing yesterday, here is a preview for you: Bill Lavender is Surrealist in Rimbaud Hank Lazer is Surrealist in Spirit Crag Hill is Surrealist in Reviews Pam Brown is Surrealist in Justness Charles Bernstein is Surrealist in Pound Camille Martin is Surrealist in collaging ideas Ezra Pound is Surrealist in Economics Mairead Byrne is Surrealist in repetitions Obododimma Oha is Surrealist in Anthologies Christian Boek is Surrealist in monosyllables Maria Damon is Surrealist in translations/interpretations Robert Pinsky is Surrealist ? just a Surrealist Karl Young is Surrealist in world views Jim Letwich is Surrealist in air Maxine Chernoff is Surrealist in theory Mark Young is Surrealist in publishing Paul Vangelisti is Surrealist in Italy and in California Marilyn Hacker is Surrealist in Emotions Pierre Joris is Surrealist in French Sheila Murphy is Surrealist in the rain Geoffrey Gatza is Surrealist in menus Susan Schultz is Surrealist in Pacifism John Tranter is Surrealist in Australia Peter Ciccariello is Surrealist in convoluted shots Fan Ogilvie is Surrealist in Dreams Ron Silliman is Surrealist in Encyclopaedianism Eileen Tabios is Surrealist in Exoticism David Graham is Surrealist in Poetic History kari edwards is Surrealist in Paradise peter ganick is Surrealist in editing Bob Grumman is Surrealist in Visual Mathematics Evelyn Posamentier is Surrealist in Faith R. S. Gwynn is Surrealist in Narcissism Rachel Loden is Surrealist in her eyes Geof Huth is Surrealist in Goodness Mary de Rachewiltz is Surrealist in Remembrance Jean Vengua is Surrealist in painting Br. Tom Murphy is Surrealist in Religion Ruth Faintlight is Surrealist in Light James Finnegan is Surrealist in Wallace Stevens Joel Weishaus is Surrealist in anthropological philosophy Kent Johnson is Surrealist in State Affairs and in Foreign Policy Tad Richards is Surrealist in Lyrical Dylan Carol Novack is Surrealist on the net Dennis Barone is Surrealist in Prose Surrealism Eve Rifkah is Surrealist in Medium States Halvard Johnson is Surrealist in Sonnets Ingrid Wendt is Surrealist on earth Jukka-Pekka Kervinen is Surrealist in letters Gabriel Gudding is Surrealist in Traveling James Cervantes is Surrealist in Mexico Amy King is Surrealist in her Kingdom Barry Schwabsky is Surrealist in reading Dante (already quoted by A. Breton for his Surrealism) is Surrealist Tony Trigilio is Surrealist in Projects Machiavelli is Surrealist in the evening Grace Cavalieri is Surrealist in the kitchen Richard Dillon is Surrealist in Hope Jesse Glass is Surrealist in Ekleksographia Joseph Duemer is Surrealist in Vietnam Farideh Mostafavi Hassanzadeh is plain Surrealist Charles Martin is Surrealist in New York Michael Rothenberg is Surrealist in touring Jerome Rothenberg is Surrealist in thousands of books Daniel Zimmerman is Surrealist in post-avant-gardism Etc. On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > This as Including That > > This rock and the dry birds > Fluttering in blue leaves, > > This rock and the priest, > The priest of nothingness who intones-- > > It is true that you live on this rock > And in it. It is wholly you. > > It is true that there are thoughts > That move in the air as large as air, > > That are almost not our own, but thoughts > To which we are related, > > In an association like yours > With the rock and mine with you. > > The iron settee is cold. > A fly crawls on the balustrades. > > --Wallace Stevens > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 2 14:56:27 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:56:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The NY Times List of 100 Books In-Reply-To: References: <200912311700.nBVH04ZK019436@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4B3FA4EB.60000@nut-n-but.net> I rarely pay any attention to the views of the Times but was curious to see if their list had any books I'd consider possibly among the hundred best books (by Americans) over the past decade. One or two. Of course, most of them I hadn't read, but I have a gift that allows me to rate unread books that I cannot divulge here. (Hint: it's similar to the way the Times rates books, except in reverse.) I see the Rowling's last Harry Potter book was no. 17. It was described as part of "the most successful series ever." Right, New York: "best-selling" = "most successful." I like the Potter books but consider the last volume worth reading only so you can say you've read them all. The earlier volumes were much better. Glad to see the Times wasn't currying favor with Obama--they rated his book only third best of the decade. Pravda would have rated a book by Stalin not just first for a decade but top book ever written. --Bob >James Cervantes wrote: >Still working on the best 100 from the 70s. I don't think >there'll be time to catch up. I very much agree with this. Being determine the best books of a decade the day the decade ends is insane. - Tortoise From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 2 02:31:33 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Test Message-ID: <231169.78755.qm@web28502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Sorry for the?necessary cluttering ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 2 10:00:41 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:00:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cadillac Dick Message-ID: <4B3F5F99.4020009@opus40.org> From my brother, who just finished interviewing Nicholson Baker, and is having trouble transcribing the interview. Now what happened is that because we're human beings we elaborate on things, and then there are longer lines and lots of fancy terms, but basically, it's surprising how often things resolve, even things with very fancy scientific names, [terichaic dactameter with lines two and four, cadillacdic],which is the way Poe's Raven is described in one book, book ? it's basically one-two-three-four-two-two-three-four.... I got "catalectic," but what's "terichaic dactameter" when it;s at home? -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From chris at chrislott.org Sat Jan 2 21:37:31 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:37:31 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy New Year, friends and neighbors! In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001010148h6942ee25ne14af77d020a72ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001010148h6942ee25ne14af77d020a72ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Happy New Year to New-Poetry (and welcome back, Bob)... as the Irish supposedly say, may your hand always be reaching out in friendship, never in want. c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 1 17:27:47 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:27:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] best... In-Reply-To: <648208b60912300511n73566c66j1f35138cc20e6bb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70912291323t12500729g8f50bdde78631300@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60912300511n73566c66j1f35138cc20e6bb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E76E3.9070701@nut-n-but.net> This may be a reapeat--my computer told me my first try to send it didn't work. If so, apologies. I rarely pay any attention to the views of the Times but was curious to see if their list had any books I'd consider possibly among the hundred best books (by Americans) over the past decade. One or two. Of course, most of them I hadn't read, but I have a strange gift that allows me to rate unread books that I cannot divulge here. (Hint: it's similar to the way the Times rates books, except in reverse.) I see the Rowling's last Harry Potter book was no. 17. It was described as part of "the most successful series ever." Right, New York: "best-selling" = "most successful." I like the Potter books but consider the last volume worth reading only so you can say you've read them all. The earlier volumes were much better. --Bob James Cervantes wrote: > Still working on the best 100 from the 70s. I don't think there'll be > time to catch up. > > - Tortoise This I wholly agree with. You need at least 30 years to get even a rough idea of the best books of a decade. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 2 07:09:14 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:09:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Back In-Reply-To: <8CC585831D13581-2554-A19D@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC585831D13581-2554-A19D@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B3F376A.7040304@nut-n-but.net> A lot went on at New-Poetry while I was vacationing. I'll try to catch up during the next week of so. Today, I just want to congratulate Wally Stevens for his latest book's making a list of best poetry books of the year. Nice to see that being dead hasn't slowed him. His work is as good as ever! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 1 15:30:39 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:30:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] My Return In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70912311107w3537dd9cta718b552ba73c5a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20db99950912281843g1e09d8b2jdae53fbbf39a1ca8@mail.gmail.com><8CC58483F82AAC7-2554-855F@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com><114954.10182.qm@web83802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CC 5857BCCC0BF8-2554-A0E9@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70912311107w3537dd9cta718b552ba73c5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E5B6F.5020903@nut-n-but.net> A lot went on at New-Poetry while I was vacationing. I'll try to catch up during the next week of so. Today, I just want to congratulate Wally Stevens for his latest book's making a list of best poetry books of the year. Nice to see that being dead hasn't slowed him. His work is as good as ever! --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 3 19:25:57 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:25:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rifts surface at Chicago-based Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CC59DC442B97E7-8CC0-309C5@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC59DC442B97E7-8CC0-309C5@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC5AEB9E7D7270-3BA4-4B786@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Rifts surface at Chicago-based Poetry http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-poetrymagazine-li,0,3908264.story Former trustees say they're concerned about plans to build a $25 million "Home for Poetry" in Chicago and spending $1 million on a Web site and more than $700,000 on a survey about poetry in American life. They also note a job given to the wife of John Barr, president of The Poetry Foundation and an investment banker and poet. "We are not a private club, and the Foundation's resources are not for our personal gratification," ex-trustee Peter Minarik wrote to foundation leaders in a letter. Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office is investigating the conflict. A group presented their complaints to Madigan in documents questioning the foundation's "questionable governance and management practices." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 3 19:24:07 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:24:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] vispo will not be ignored on newpoetry Message-ID: <8CC5AEB5CC7261A-3BA4-4B72C@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> A new year and some vispo I stumbled across... http://fissuresofmen.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/visimages/tags/visualpoetry/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Erica's first collection, _Big-Eyed Afraid_, won the 2006 Anthony Hecht Poetry Prize, and her poems have appeared in journals and anthologies including The Best American Poetry 2008, Virginia Quarterly Review, and Harvard Review. http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/category/poetry/ The feature comprises her poem "A Monkey and a Man" http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/edawson/2009/12/a-monkey-and-a-man/ And a self-interview: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/edawson/2009/12/erica-dawson-the-tnb-self-interview/ -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 4 11:50:06 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:50:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] mail list Message-ID: <8CC5B751A284962-35C0-1566@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Sharon L. 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By the way, the underground home I refer to is Forestiere. ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 12:25:08 2010 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:25:08 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] mail list In-Reply-To: <8CC5B751A284962-35C0-1566@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5B751A284962-35C0-1566@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is it too late to send her Christmas presents? Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." --Robert Ashley Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > Sharon L. Charde > 68 Reservoir Road > Lakeville, CT 60639 > 860-435-0110 > sharchar at sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 4 13:03:35 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:03:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] mail list In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5B751A284962-35C0-1566@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC5B7F5E53BA7A-35C0-2E35@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> My goof. First of the year though. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:25 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] mail list Is it too late to send her Christmas presents? 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"There are principles involved, above all the whole concept of copyright; and these you have seen fit to abandon to a corporation, on their terms, without a struggle." Continued -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/dec/24/le-guin-authors-guild-deal _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut-- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish I could accept them. I can't," Le Guin wrote. > "There are principles involved, above all the whole concept of copyright; > and these you have seen fit to abandon to a corporation, on their terms, > without a struggle." > > Continued > --?http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/dec/24/le-guin-authors-guild-deal The monks put down their rose and gold And marched upon the marketplace The Devil's China print device Had put paid to the scholar's race. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 4 15:52:22 2010 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:52:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ursula K Le Guin -- 'deal with the devil' on book digitalization In-Reply-To: References: <82585.3947.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b1001041252m34040aa1l46e605bb53be30a1@mail.gmail.com> I love your quatrain, Uche! I needed a Brit to translate "put paid to" for my USAmerican brain, as I'd never heard the phrase. Best, Judy 2010/1/4 Uche Ogbuji > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM, amy king wrote: > > Le Guin accuses Authors Guild of 'deal with the devil' > > Ursula K Le Guin has accused the Authors Guild of selling authors "down > the > > river" in the Google settlement and has resigned from the US writers' > body > > in protest after almost 40 years' membership. > > > > In a strongly-worded letter of resignation the award-winning science > fiction > > and fantasy author said the Guild's decision to support Google in its > plans > > to digitise millions of books meant she could no longer countenance being > a > > member. > > > > "You decided to deal with the devil, as it were, and have presented your > > arguments for doing so. I wish I could accept them. I can't," Le Guin > wrote. > > "There are principles involved, above all the whole concept of copyright; > > and these you have seen fit to abandon to a corporation, on their terms, > > without a struggle." > > > > Continued > > -- > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/dec/24/le-guin-authors-guild-deal > > The monks put down their rose and gold > And marched upon the marketplace > The Devil's China print device > Had put paid to the scholar's race. > > -- > Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net > Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com > Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji > Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ > TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ > Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche > Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji > http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Berlin* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=366 *New Poems by already featured Authors:* New Poetry Mailing List *James Finnegan*?s Statement for the ARS POETICA LIBRARY http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3130 And the *ARS POETICA LIBRARY ? 2009 EDITION* by James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3126 *Jeff Harrison* Porphyry Ziggurat http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3140 The grave of Archilochus http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3141 Child of Melusina http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3156 Cephalophore Verge http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3157 *Charles Martin* Recently in Algiers http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3150 *Eugen Galasso* Ulteriori Poesiole http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3172 Poesiole http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3265 *Jessica Fiorini* Bare Intrinsic Charge http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3190 Float http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3191 Helium http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3192 Mind of God http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3193 Salt http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3195 Space Matters http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3196 Travel http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3197 Holiday Schedule http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3198 Octopi Lack the Backbone of Chinese Proverbs http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3199 Boxcar Jumper Cable http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3200 Brittle Bone Sandwich http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3201 *Annie Finch* No Matter, Never Mind http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3194 *Evelyn Posamentier* THE BIRD NAMED ISIDORE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3239 *Barry Alpert* THE GO-BETWEEN [via Joseph Losey, Harold Pinter, & L.P. Hartley] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3252 SPICER PLAYED BY WYLIE WATSON IN BRIGHTON ROCK [via Graham Greene?s script from directors John & Roy Boulting?s adaptation of his novel] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3253 *Edward Mycue* TRISTE FUI http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3271 LETTER TO JIM WHO MOVED AWAY http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3283 *Richard Dillon* New Year, 2010, 1/1 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3282 As usual the order of appearance respects the order by which I received the submissions. 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Berlin* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=366 *New Poems by already featured Authors:* New Poetry Mailing List *James Finnegan*?s Statement for the ARS POETICA LIBRARY http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3130 And the *ARS POETICA LIBRARY ? 2009 EDITION* by James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3126 *Jeff Harrison* Porphyry Ziggurat http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3140 The grave of Archilochus http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3141 Child of Melusina http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3156 Cephalophore Verge http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3157 *Charles Martin* Recently in Algiers http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3150 *Eugen Galasso* Ulteriori Poesiole http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3172 Poesiole http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3265 *Jessica Fiorini* Bare Intrinsic Charge http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3190 Float http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3191 Helium http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3192 Mind of God http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3193 Salt http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3195 Space Matters http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3196 Travel http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3197 Holiday Schedule http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3198 Octopi Lack the Backbone of Chinese Proverbs http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3199 Boxcar Jumper Cable http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3200 Brittle Bone Sandwich http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3201 *Annie Finch* No Matter, Never Mind http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3194 *Evelyn Posamentier* THE BIRD NAMED ISIDORE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3239 *Barry Alpert* THE GO-BETWEEN [via Joseph Losey, Harold Pinter, & L.P. Hartley] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3252 SPICER PLAYED BY WYLIE WATSON IN BRIGHTON ROCK [via Graham Greene?s script from directors John & Roy Boulting?s adaptation of his novel] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3253 *Edward Mycue* TRISTE FUI http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3271 LETTER TO JIM WHO MOVED AWAY http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3283 *Richard Dillon* New Year, 2010, 1/1 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3282 As usual the order of appearance respects the order by which I received the submissions. 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URL: From uche at ogbuji.net Mon Jan 4 17:21:32 2010 From: uche at ogbuji.net (Uche Ogbuji) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:21:32 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ursula K Le Guin -- 'deal with the devil' on book digitalization In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b1001041252m34040aa1l46e605bb53be30a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <82585.3947.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <7db1d01b1001041252m34040aa1l46e605bb53be30a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > I love your quatrain, Uche! Thanks. > I needed a Brit to translate "put paid to" for my USAmerican brain, as I'd > never heard the phrase. That was the primary meaning, of course, but I also intended a connotational echo with the "marketplace" of the rhyming pair. And now I'll march myself to the quarter of purgatory for those who explain their own punnes. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 18:07:47 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:07:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Great interview with Amy King In-Reply-To: <825459.87726.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4B42088B.9080300@opus40.org> <825459.87726.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001041507lba627a7yae9cedce368eed47@mail.gmail.com> A very good interview, and congratulations! Anny On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:22 PM, amy king wrote: > Thanks, Tad! > > By the way, the underground home I refer to is Forestiere. > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: TheOldMole > > http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information on the journal, visit http://contextjournal.wordpress.com/about/ All submissions are to be made by email to: Obododimma Oha or -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 15:29:28 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:29:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] UP to Bat -- Slaves to Do These Things ... Message-ID: <952926.67565.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My book is now on Amazon (SPD later) for order - enjoy! http://www.amazon.com/Slaves-These-Things-Amy-King/dp/1935402315 "I'm portable. My mind travels / the verse and valleys of whole people says the poet." Correct! Readers of this book will discover their own memories. They will melt in them, amazed, lullabied, dramatized, shocked that they exist. Amy King is a true bard. ? Toma? ?alamun Smoke n? hott, these poems emerge as "? audible diamonds that cut," where Rock is King & candor disarms paranoia, or, in King?s case, downright dismembers it: "Forgive me, I am the final/ seminary soul to check your shape/ in the dress of that embalming line." Passengered adeptly under the influence of Lorca, Neruda maybe, (Buried by midnight/ I am a warm/ fly in amber.) the reader wants to shout, GO DUENDE!!! ?Jeni Olin "Amy King is a poet's poet, highly respected in the contemporary world of letters. Her latest collection of poems reveals why. Mistress of a mythic surrealism that is laced at times with bawdy language, Amy combines images like "moldy dark stools in back room encounters" with "Michaelangelo turning crosshairs to sunshine." Unusual juxtapositions like these compel the reader to turn the page, discover more. Divided into five acts, this collection of poetry arcs like a prize-winning drama, a volume that should be in everyone's hands and on everyone's shelf!" --The Tower Journal "While the imperious imperialism of the title speaks of inequality, distance, and irony, King?s latest book, her third from BlazeVOX, actually draws and holds the reader close. You?ll feel understood by this book as it speaks of birth, divinity, and the sociocultural moment that may have you weary. I like King?s invocation of American angst in poems such as 'Stimulus Package' and 'Everything Happens At Once'; the former ends with the lines 'we ignore the dress of death/ when they mirage America back,' while the latter begins with 'the government wants their money,/ retirement shrinks its future,/ I am stuck at the bottom of alert/ that is only a test/ of what?' She grabs and inverts the crummy corniness that keeps people up at night. It?s a strength of Slaves to Do These Things that such unadorned phrasing coexists well with its opposite: arresting noun phrases, carefully concatenated. Thus, 'Everything Happens At Once' invokes not only government, retirement, phones, and doors, but also 'fortune?s dial tone,' 'the fields of water crocus/ set adrift with handmade paddles,' and 'houses in swollen grass.' Elsewhere, you?ll find 'chalk blown sky of rabbit tails,' 'a calico sky in an earlobe?s kerchief,' and a deft definition: 'Moustache: a salt & pepper mole rat'?has it been said better? I wish I could see with my eyes half of the things that King describes." --The University of Arizona Poetry Center Sample poem -- http://versedaily.org/2009/aboutamykingstdtt.shtml Sample poem -- http://www.ashokkarra.com/2010/01/amy-king-the-always-song/ _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut-- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Wed Jan 6 17:55:14 2010 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:55:14 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Promoting local poets Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9714A8BF23D20@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> The website features a different poet every week, and has so far displayed information about eighteen poets. The first post on July 20, 2009 featured Bob Stanely, who describes the function of the website as follows: You may not know this, but Sacramento is full of poets. From Elk Grove to South Natomas, from Folsom to downtown, there are hundreds of people who write, read, and share their poems. http://vasigauke.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of amy king [amyhappens at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: UB Poetics discussion group; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] UP to Bat -- Slaves to Do These Things ... My book is now on Amazon (SPD later) for order - enjoy! http://www.amazon.com/Slaves-These-Things-Amy-King/dp/1935402315 "I'm portable. My mind travels / the verse and valleys of whole people says the poet." Correct! Readers of this book will discover their own memories. They will melt in them, amazed, lullabied, dramatized, shocked that they exist. Amy King is a true bard. ? Toma? ?alamun Smoke n? hott, these poems emerge as "? audible diamonds that cut," where Rock is King & candor disarms paranoia, or, in King?s case, downright dismembers it: "Forgive me, I am the final/ seminary soul to check your shape/ in the dress of that embalming line." Passengered adeptly under the influence of Lorca, Neruda maybe, (Buried by midnight/ I am a warm/ fly in amber.) the reader wants to shout, GO DUENDE!!! ?Jeni Olin "Amy King is a poet's poet, highly respected in the contemporary world of letters. Her latest collection of poems reveals why. Mistress of a mythic surrealism that is laced at times with bawdy language, Amy combines images like "moldy dark stools in back room encounters" with "Michaelangelo turning crosshairs to sunshine." Unusual juxtapositions like these compel the reader to turn the page, discover more. Divided into five acts, this collection of poetry arcs like a prize-winning drama, a volume that should be in everyone's hands and on everyone's shelf!" --The Tower Journal "While the imperious imperialism of the title speaks of inequality, distance, and irony, King?s latest book, her third from BlazeVOX, actually draws and holds the reader close. You?ll feel understood by this book as it speaks of birth, divinity, and the sociocultural moment that may have you weary. I like King?s invocation of American angst in poems such as 'Stimulus Package' and 'Everything Happens At Once'; the former ends with the lines 'we ignore the dress of death/ when they mirage America back,' while the latter begins with 'the government wants their money,/ retirement shrinks its future,/ I am stuck at the bottom of alert/ that is only a test/ of what?' She grabs and inverts the crummy corniness that keeps people up at night. It?s a strength of Slaves to Do These Things that such unadorned phrasing coexists well with its opposite: arresting noun phrases, carefully concatenated. Thus, 'Everything Happens At Once' invokes not only government, retirement, phones, and doors, but also 'fortune?s dial tone,' 'the fields of water crocus/ set adrift with handmade paddles,' and 'houses in swollen grass.' Elsewhere, you?ll find 'chalk blown sky of rabbit tails,' 'a calico sky in an earlobe?s kerchief,' and a deft definition: 'Moustache: a salt & pepper mole rat'?has it been said better? I wish I could see with my eyes half of the things that King describes." --The University of Arizona Poetry Center Sample poem -- http://versedaily.org/2009/aboutamykingstdtt.shtml Sample poem -- http://www.ashokkarra.com/2010/01/amy-king-the-always-song/ _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Wed Jan 6 18:03:38 2010 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:03:38 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poets Wanted Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9714A8BF23D21@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> If you will be in California and would like to read at the Sacramento Poetry Center, let me know. I host readings at the Center every second Monday. Emmanuel ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of amy king [amyhappens at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: UB Poetics discussion group; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] UP to Bat -- Slaves to Do These Things ... My book is now on Amazon (SPD later) for order - enjoy! http://www.amazon.com/Slaves-These-Things-Amy-King/dp/1935402315 "I'm portable. My mind travels / the verse and valleys of whole people says the poet." Correct! Readers of this book will discover their own memories. They will melt in them, amazed, lullabied, dramatized, shocked that they exist. Amy King is a true bard. ? Toma? ?alamun Smoke n? hott, these poems emerge as "? audible diamonds that cut," where Rock is King & candor disarms paranoia, or, in King?s case, downright dismembers it: "Forgive me, I am the final/ seminary soul to check your shape/ in the dress of that embalming line." Passengered adeptly under the influence of Lorca, Neruda maybe, (Buried by midnight/ I am a warm/ fly in amber.) the reader wants to shout, GO DUENDE!!! ?Jeni Olin "Amy King is a poet's poet, highly respected in the contemporary world of letters. Her latest collection of poems reveals why. Mistress of a mythic surrealism that is laced at times with bawdy language, Amy combines images like "moldy dark stools in back room encounters" with "Michaelangelo turning crosshairs to sunshine." Unusual juxtapositions like these compel the reader to turn the page, discover more. Divided into five acts, this collection of poetry arcs like a prize-winning drama, a volume that should be in everyone's hands and on everyone's shelf!" --The Tower Journal "While the imperious imperialism of the title speaks of inequality, distance, and irony, King?s latest book, her third from BlazeVOX, actually draws and holds the reader close. You?ll feel understood by this book as it speaks of birth, divinity, and the sociocultural moment that may have you weary. I like King?s invocation of American angst in poems such as 'Stimulus Package' and 'Everything Happens At Once'; the former ends with the lines 'we ignore the dress of death/ when they mirage America back,' while the latter begins with 'the government wants their money,/ retirement shrinks its future,/ I am stuck at the bottom of alert/ that is only a test/ of what?' She grabs and inverts the crummy corniness that keeps people up at night. It?s a strength of Slaves to Do These Things that such unadorned phrasing coexists well with its opposite: arresting noun phrases, carefully concatenated. Thus, 'Everything Happens At Once' invokes not only government, retirement, phones, and doors, but also 'fortune?s dial tone,' 'the fields of water crocus/ set adrift with handmade paddles,' and 'houses in swollen grass.' Elsewhere, you?ll find 'chalk blown sky of rabbit tails,' 'a calico sky in an earlobe?s kerchief,' and a deft definition: 'Moustache: a salt & pepper mole rat'?has it been said better? I wish I could see with my eyes half of the things that King describes." --The University of Arizona Poetry Center Sample poem -- http://versedaily.org/2009/aboutamykingstdtt.shtml Sample poem -- http://www.ashokkarra.com/2010/01/amy-king-the-always-song/ _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 6 18:52:54 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:52:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Paterson_awarded_Queen=E2=80=99s_Gold_Med?= =?utf-8?q?al_?= Message-ID: <8CC5D427FBAD897-177C-C7BE@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/royal-honour-for-poet-1.995529 Scottish poet Don Paterson has been awarded the Queen?s Gold Medal for Poetry, Buckingham Palace announced today. The unique honour recognises his acclaimed anthology Rain, released this year, which was named the Forward Poetry Prize?s best collection, and also acknowledges his other works. Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, said Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely attuned to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal grace, a moving candour and a beguiling cadence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 00:46:06 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:46:06 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BNew=2DPoetry=5D_Paterson_awarded_Queen=92s_Gold_Med?= =?windows-1252?Q?al?= In-Reply-To: <8CC5D427FBAD897-177C-C7BE@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5D427FBAD897-177C-C7BE@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001062146v4bc36a8fv5b4e99c7d35cdf4d@mail.gmail.com> I am referring to the following: Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, said Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely attuned to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal grace, a moving candour and a beguiling cadence. so she _is_ the Poet Laureate after all. I got lost somewhere some time ago in the middle of meddling facts. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:52 AM, wrote: > http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/royal-honour-for-poet-1.995529 > > Scottish poet Don Paterson has been awarded the Queen?s Gold Medal for > Poetry, Buckingham Palace announced today. > > The unique honour recognises his acclaimed anthology Rain, released this > year, which was named the Forward Poetry Prize?s best collection, and also > acknowledges his other works. > > Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, said > Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely attuned > to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal grace, a > moving candour and a beguiling cadence. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Maybe she isn't poet laureate now but was when she was quoted. It is important to know since her remarks can't be contested if made when she was poet laureate. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 10:44:12 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:44:12 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gary Snyder chosen by Garrison Keillor Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001070744h38f82229gd6f3414d7c240717@mail.gmail.com> Looking at Pictures to Be Put Away by Gary Snyder Who was this girl In her white night gown Clutching a pair of jeans On a foggy redwood deck. She looks up at me tender, Calm, surprised, What will we remember Bodied thick with food and lovers After twenty years. "Looking at Pictures to Be Put Away" by Gary Snyder, from *The Back Country*. ? New Directions, 1957. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 7 17:41:58 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:41:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtOZXctUG9ldHJ5XSBQYXRlcnNvbiBhd2FyZGVkIFF1ZWVu4oCZcyBH?= =?utf-8?B?b2xkIE1lZGFs?= In-Reply-To: <4B45C4F6.5030702@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CC5D427FBAD897-177C-C7BE@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d71001062146v4bc36a8fv5b4e99c7d35cdf4d@mail.gmail.com> <4B45C4F6.5030702@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <1288.88204.qm@web28502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Duffy is very definitely the current British Poet Laureate and?operating a very high profle for a contemporary poet: new poems of here appear in The Guardian on a Saturday, she shows up on chat show type features on tv and?is extensively quoted on Radio 4, the role seems to be taking on a strange similarity to the Archbishop of Canterbury's. I was going to write 'secular similarity' there but remembered that the Chriustmas Sunday Service on Radio 4 was a rebroadcast of her work?'The Manchester Carols'. ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 11:26:46 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Paterson awarded Queen?s Gold Medal Anny Ballardini wrote: > I am referring to the following: > Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, said Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely attuned to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal grace, a moving candour and a beguiling cadence. > > so she _is_ the Poet Laureate after all. I got lost somewhere some time ago in the middle of meddling facts. Maybe she isn't poet laureate now but was when she was quoted.? It is important to know since her remarks can't be contested if made when she was poet laureate. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 17:57:23 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:57:23 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BNew=2DPoetry=5D_Paterson_awarded_Queen=92s_Gold_Med?= =?windows-1252?Q?al?= In-Reply-To: <1288.88204.qm@web28502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <8CC5D427FBAD897-177C-C7BE@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d71001062146v4bc36a8fv5b4e99c7d35cdf4d@mail.gmail.com> <4B45C4F6.5030702@nut-n-but.net> <1288.88204.qm@web28502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001071457k71dc8810w8fe959b3fedca4f6@mail.gmail.com> very disrespectful I am, but this makes me laugh! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:41 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Duffy is very definitely the current British Poet Laureate and operating a > very high profle for a contemporary poet: new poems of here appear in The > Guardian on a Saturday, she shows up on chat show type features on tv and is > extensively quoted on Radio 4, the role seems to be taking on a strange > similarity to the Archbishop of Canterbury's. I was going to write 'secular > similarity' there but remembered that the Chriustmas Sunday Service on Radio > 4 was a rebroadcast of her work 'The Manchester Carols'. > > David Bircumshaw > > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Grumman > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Thu, 7 January, 2010 11:26:46 > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Paterson awarded Queen?s Gold Medal > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I am referring to the following: > > Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, > said Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely > attuned to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal > grace, a moving candour and a beguiling cadence. > > > > so she _is_ the Poet Laureate after all. I got lost somewhere some time > ago in the middle of meddling facts. > Maybe she isn't poet laureate now but was when she was quoted. It is > important to know since her remarks can't be contested if made when she was > poet laureate. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:41 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: Duffy is very definitely the current British Poet Laureate and?operating a very high profle for a contemporary poet: new poems of here appear in The Guardian on a Saturday, she shows up on chat show type features on tv and?is extensively quoted on Radio 4, the role seems to be taking on a strange similarity to the Archbishop of Canterbury's. I was going to write 'secular similarity' there but remembered that the Chriustmas Sunday Service on Radio 4 was a rebroadcast of her work?'The Manchester Carols'. >?David Bircumshaw > > >Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 11:26:46 >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Paterson awarded Queen?s Gold Medal > > >Anny Ballardini wrote: >> I am referring to the following: >> Poet Laureate Carol Ann Duffy, who chaired the medal?s judging panel, said Paterson?s writings were ?poetry of bravery and conviction, acutely attuned to the most intimate of human exchanges, rendered with a formal grace, a moving candour and a beguiling cadence. >> >> so she _is_ the Poet Laureate after all. I got lost somewhere some time ago in the middle of meddling facts. >Maybe she isn't poet laureate now but was when she was quoted.? It is important to know since her remarks can't be contested if made when she was poet laureate. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife wandered off into a river to give birth. I began calling my friends: "We are all dead," I said into the phone. I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking note. I didn't know it would be this simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, poked holes in a black sheet, tore into a loaf of bread. Wandered off yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from *Neither Rising nor Falling*. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are a press, please consider sending copies of your newest titles to NewPages at: NewPages PO Box 1580 Bay City, MI 48706 Each book we receive is listed on our New & Noteworthy page, which reviewers then select titles from. Please feel free to re-post or forward this info to anyone who you think may be interested. Thanks, Gina Myers _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut-- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The award-winning author has published six books of poetry in Welsh and English. Her newest offering, the book-length poem A Hospital Odyssey, will be published this month by Bloodaxe Books in the U.K. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 20:10:29 2010 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:10:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten the thought, we get... The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. So says myself. John J ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one because he made me shiver. One Night by Jeremy Voigt The car crossed two lanes of traffic and a grass median before plowing head-on into me, killing my wife, unborn child, and myself. Before I died I touched the shoulder of a policeman, felt the sure strength of his muscles, heard the only word he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled because I stopped believing in him long ago. He mistook my smile for something positive and not listless irony, and I tried to correct him, but my throat stopped. Red lights. Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. My wife wandered off into a river to give birth. I began calling my friends: "We are all dead," I said into the phone. I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking note. I didn't know it would be this simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, poked holes in a black sheet, tore into a loaf of bread. Wandered off yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from Neither Rising nor Falling. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 9 03:31:01 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:31:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Yes, John, it is poor. If he had written 'into us' instead of? 'into me' then he could of had? his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. The car crossed two lanes of traffic and a grass median before plowing head-on into me, killing my wife, unborn child, and myself. ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: John Jeffrey To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first sentence that made me shiver.? Removing some of the details to shorten the thought, we get... ???? The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. It's a pet peeve, I'll admit.? I always cringe when I hear people misuse "myself."? I guess I just expected more from a poet.? (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?)? And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. So says myself. John J ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one because he made me shiver. One Night by Jeremy Voigt The car crossed two lanes of traffic and a grass median before plowing head-on into me, killing my wife, unborn child, and myself. Before I died I touched the shoulder of a policeman, felt the sure strength of his muscles, heard the only word he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled because I stopped believing in him long ago. He mistook my smile for something positive and not listless irony, and I tried to correct him, but my throat stopped. Red lights. Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. My wife wandered off into a river to give birth. I began calling my friends: "We are all dead," I said into the phone. I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking note. I didn't know it would be this simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, poked holes in a black sheet, tore into a loaf of bread. Wandered off yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from Neither Rising nor Falling. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 06:00:33 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:00:33 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to mention the other people who surround him. That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. You see, I could not write : That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Yes, John, it is poor. > > If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of had his > 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am > driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, > as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on > him. > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. > > David Bircumshaw > > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Jeffrey > > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first > sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten the > thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > > It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people misuse > "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't poets supposed > ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets > sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain > ignorance or, at best, laziness. > > So says myself. > > John J > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor > > some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he > reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one > because he made me shiver. > > One Night > > by Jeremy Voigt > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. Before > I died I touched the shoulder > of a policeman, felt the sure strength > of his muscles, heard the only word > he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled > because I stopped believing in him > long ago. He mistook my smile > for something positive and not listless > irony, and I tried to correct him, > but my throat stopped. Red lights. > Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. > My wife wandered off into a river > to give birth. I began calling my friends: > "We are all dead," I said into the phone. > I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking > note. I didn't know it would be this > simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, > poked holes in a black sheet, tore > into a loaf of bread. Wandered off > yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > > "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from *Neither Rising nor Falling*. ? > Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 9 06:09:43 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:09:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <156868.63585.qm@web28501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Oh I read the poem, Anny, rather than listened to it, and I can quite certainly see how the usage would sound 'right'?as heard, this relationship betwen the written and the spoken, it's tricky, eh? And you're quite right, poets are a bad lot! I absolutely agree!! :) best dave ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:00:33 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to mention the other people who surround him. That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. You see, I could not write : That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: Yes, John, it is poor. > >If he had written 'into us' instead of? 'into me' then he could of had? his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. > > >The car crossed two lanes of traffic >and a grass median before plowing >head-on into me, killing my wife, >unborn child, and myself. >?David Bircumshaw > > >Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > > > ________________________________ From: John Jeffrey > >To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > > >It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first sentence that made me shiver.? Removing some of the details to shorten the thought, we get... > >???? The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > >It's a pet peeve, I'll admit.? I always cringe when I hear people misuse "myself."? I guess I just expected more from a poet.? (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?)? And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > >So says myself. > >John J > > > > ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM >Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor > >some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one because he made me shiver. > > >One Night >by Jeremy Voigt >The car crossed two lanes of traffic >and a grass median before plowing >head-on into me, killing my wife, >unborn child, and myself. Before >I died I touched the shoulder >of a policeman, felt the sure strength >of his muscles, heard the only word >he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >because I stopped believing in him >long ago. He mistook my smile >for something positive and not listless >irony, and I tried to correct him, >but my throat stopped. Red lights. >Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >My wife wandered off into a river >to give birth. I began calling my friends: >"We are all dead," I said into the phone. >I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >note. I didn't know it would be this >simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >poked holes in a black sheet, tore >into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > >"One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from Neither Rising nor Falling. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >Giovenale > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? 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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:09 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Oh I read the poem, Anny, rather than listened to it, and I can quite > certainly see how the usage would sound 'right' as heard, this relationship > betwen the written and the spoken, it's tricky, eh? > > And you're quite right, poets are a bad lot! I absolutely agree!! > > :) > > best > > dave > > > > David Bircumshaw > > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:00:33 > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean that > his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man did not die > otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that reached us. And if > this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, which means that he does > not even trust his wife any more, not to mention the other people who > surround him. > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. > > You see, I could not write : > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it > > because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did you > read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the poem and > while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I mean > understanding. What a bad lot poets are! > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > >> Yes, John, it is poor. >> >> If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of had >> his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am >> driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, >> as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on >> him. >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. >> >> David Bircumshaw >> >> >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* John Jeffrey >> >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself >> >> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten the >> thought, we get... >> >> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people misuse >> "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't poets supposed >> ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets >> sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain >> ignorance or, at best, laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM >> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor >> >> some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he >> reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one >> because he made me shiver. >> >> One Night >> >> by Jeremy Voigt >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. Before >> I died I touched the shoulder >> of a policeman, felt the sure strength >> of his muscles, heard the only word >> he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >> because I stopped believing in him >> long ago. He mistook my smile >> for something positive and not listless >> irony, and I tried to correct him, >> but my throat stopped. Red lights. >> Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >> My wife wandered off into a river >> to give birth. I began calling my friends: >> "We are all dead," I said into the phone. >> I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >> note. I didn't know it would be this >> simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >> poked holes in a black sheet, tore >> into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >> yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. >> >> "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from *Neither Rising nor Falling*. ? >> Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 9 06:49:03 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:49:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001090323i4009e384p246d7188a7f8c013@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> <156868.63585.qm@web28501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090323i4009e384p246d7188a7f8c013@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <740291.93648.qm@web28511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Beyond all known comparitives. :) ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:23:12 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself :-) I also read the poem, sorry to disappoint you. Poets are even a worse lot, then... On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:09 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: Oh I read the poem, Anny, rather than listened to it, and I can quite certainly see how the usage would sound 'right'?as heard, this relationship betwen the written and the spoken, it's tricky, eh? > >And you're quite right, poets are a bad lot! I absolutely agree!! > >:) > >best > >dave > > >?David Bircumshaw > > >Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > > > ________________________________ >From: Anny Ballardini >To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:00:33 > >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > >I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to mention the other people who surround him. >That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. > >You see, I could not write : >That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it > >because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! > > > >On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > >Yes, John, it is poor. >> >>If he had written 'into us' instead of? 'into me' then he could of had? his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. >> >> >>The car crossed two lanes of traffic >>and a grass median before plowing >>head-on into me, killing my wife, >>unborn child, and myself. >>?David Bircumshaw >> >> >>Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >>Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: John Jeffrey >> >>To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >>Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself >> >> >> >>It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first sentence that made me shiver.? Removing some of the details to shorten the thought, we get... >> >>???? The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >> >>It's a pet peeve, I'll admit.? I always cringe when I hear people misuse "myself."? I guess I just expected more from a poet.? (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?)? And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. >> >>So says myself. >> >>John J >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini >>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >>Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM >>Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor >> >>some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one because he made me shiver. >> >> >>One Night >>by Jeremy Voigt >>The car crossed two lanes of traffic >>and a grass median before plowing >>head-on into me, killing my wife, >>unborn child, and myself. Before >>I died I touched the shoulder >>of a policeman, felt the sure strength >>of his muscles, heard the only word >>he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >>because I stopped believing in him >>long ago. He mistook my smile >>for something positive and not listless >>irony, and I tried to correct him, >>but my throat stopped. Red lights. >>Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >>My wife wandered off into a river >>to give birth. I began calling my friends: >>"We are all dead," I said into the phone. >>I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >>note. I didn't know it would be this >>simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >>poked holes in a black sheet, tore >>into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >>yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. >> >>"One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from Neither Rising nor Falling. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 9 09:49:33 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:49:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B48977D.3040109@opus40.org> Not sure it's unintentional. Maybe that's his point -- that after death, one becomes one's only reality. David Bircumshaw wrote: > Yes, John, it is poor. > > If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of > had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it > which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I > guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and unborn child were > accessories the speaker had on him. > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. > > David Bircumshaw > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* John Jeffrey > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first > sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten > the thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > > It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people > misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't > poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their > word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and > grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > > So says myself. > > John J > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor > > some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when > he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for > this one because he made me shiver. > > > One Night > > by Jeremy Voigt > > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. Before > I died I touched the shoulder > of a policeman, felt the sure strength > of his muscles, heard the only word > he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled > because I stopped believing in him > long ago. He mistook my smile > for something positive and not listless > irony, and I tried to correct him, > but my throat stopped. Red lights. > Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. > My wife wandered off into a river > to give birth. I began calling my friends: > "We are all dead," I said into the phone. > I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking > note. I didn't know it would be this > simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, > poked holes in a black sheet, tore > into a loaf of bread. Wandered off > yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > > "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? > Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now > ) > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 9 09:53:28 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B489868.10305@nut-n-but.net> John Jeffrey wrote: > It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first > sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten > the thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > > It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people > misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't > poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their > word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and > grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > > So says myself. > > John J Aw, come on, John. Would you be grammatical if you had just got kilt? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 9 10:05:47 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:05:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4B489868.10305@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B489868.10305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4B489B4B.80306@opus40.org> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGK6jvigt8 Bob Grumman wrote: > John Jeffrey wrote: >> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to >> shorten the thought, we get... >> >> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't >> poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their >> word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and >> grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J > Aw, come on, John. Would you be grammatical if you had just got kilt? > > --Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 10:50:46 2010 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and the pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has to reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a car), then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of my head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and "Because I Could Not Stop for Death." John J ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 6:00:33 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to mention the other people who surround him. That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. You see, I could not write : That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: Yes, John, it is poor. > >If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. > >The car crossed two lanes of traffic >and a grass median before plowing >head-on into me, killing my wife, >unborn child, and myself. > David Bircumshaw > > > >Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > > > ________________________________ From: John Jeffrey > >To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > > >It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to shorten the thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > >It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > >So says myself. > >John J > > > > ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM >Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison Keillor > >>some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of voice for this one because he made me shiver. > > >One Night >by Jeremy Voigt >The car crossed two lanes of traffic >and a grass median before plowing >head-on into me, killing my wife, >unborn child, and myself. Before >I died I touched the shoulder >of a policeman, felt the sure strength >>of his muscles, heard the only word >he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >because I stopped believing in him >long ago. He mistook my smile >for something positive and not listless >irony, and I tried to correct him, >>but my throat stopped. Red lights. >Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >My wife wandered off into a river >to give birth. I began calling my friends: >"We are all dead," I said into the phone. >>I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >note. I didn't know it would be this >simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >poked holes in a black sheet, tore >into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > >"One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from Neither Rising nor Falling. ? Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >Giovenale > > > > >_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 9 11:12:11 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:12:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> <987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B48AADB.4000202@opus40.org> It's also used correctly, in the Irish vernacular, as a term of respect. There's a wonderful scene in "Gentleman Jim" where someone ill-advisedly uses the phrase "Jim Corbett himself" in the presence of John L. Sullivan (Ward Bond). John L. is still the champion, and, as such, the only entitled (in the eyes of himself) to that honor. John Jeffrey wrote: > Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" > is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and the > pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has to > reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same > thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used > correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she > slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that > sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a car), > then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) > > And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's > Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have > listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. > His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. > > I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems > "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of my > head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball > Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and "Because I > Could Not Stop for Death." > > John J > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > *Sent:* Sat, January 9, 2010 6:00:33 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean > that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man > did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that > reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, > which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to > mention the other people who surround him. > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. > > You see, I could not write : > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it > > because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did > you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the > poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I > mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw > > wrote: > > Yes, John, it is poor. > > If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of > had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in > it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out > (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and > unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. > > David Bircumshaw > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* John Jeffrey > > > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > > *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > > It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first > sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to > shorten the thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > > It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people > misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. > (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in > their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words > and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > > So says myself. > > John J > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison > Keillor > > some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice > when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of > voice for this one because he made me shiver. > > > One Night > > by Jeremy Voigt > > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. Before > I died I touched the shoulder > of a policeman, felt the sure strength > of his muscles, heard the only word > he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled > because I stopped believing in him > long ago. He mistook my smile > for something positive and not listless > irony, and I tried to correct him, > but my throat stopped. Red lights. > Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. > My wife wandered off into a river > to give birth. I began calling my friends: > "We are all dead," I said into the phone. > I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking > note. I didn't know it would be this > simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, > poked holes in a black sheet, tore > into a loaf of bread. Wandered off > yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > > "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? > Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now > ) > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 9 11:13:26 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:13:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com> <987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B48AB26.2030505@opus40.org> And speaking of Irish, also written from the point of view of someone who's dead: Dominic Behan's "The Patriot Game." John Jeffrey wrote: > Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" > is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and the > pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has to > reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same > thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used > correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she > slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that > sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a car), > then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) > > And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's > Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have > listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. > His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. > > I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems > "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of my > head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball > Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and "Because I > Could Not Stop for Death." > > John J > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > *Sent:* Sat, January 9, 2010 6:00:33 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself > > I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean > that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man > did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that > reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, > which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to > mention the other people who surround him. > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. > > You see, I could not write : > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it > > because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did > you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the > poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading I > mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw > > wrote: > > Yes, John, it is poor. > > If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of > had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in > it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out > (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and > unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. > > David Bircumshaw > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* John Jeffrey > > > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > > *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > > It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first > sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to > shorten the thought, we get... > > The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. > > It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people > misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. > (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in > their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words > and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. > > So says myself. > > John J > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison > Keillor > > some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice > when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of > voice for this one because he made me shiver. > > > One Night > > by Jeremy Voigt > > > The car crossed two lanes of traffic > and a grass median before plowing > head-on into me, killing my wife, > unborn child, and myself. Before > I died I touched the shoulder > of a policeman, felt the sure strength > of his muscles, heard the only word > he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled > because I stopped believing in him > long ago. He mistook my smile > for something positive and not listless > irony, and I tried to correct him, > but my throat stopped. Red lights. > Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. > My wife wandered off into a river > to give birth. I began calling my friends: > "We are all dead," I said into the phone. > I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking > note. I didn't know it would be this > simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, > poked holes in a black sheet, tore > into a loaf of bread. Wandered off > yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. > > "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? > Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now > ) > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 12:29:23 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:29:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by myself In-Reply-To: <4B48AB26.2030505@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d71001080722x5b89060dg429bf11616966fb5@mail.gmail.com> <568413.24838.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <988611.76367.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001090300n7e5f2c51jc53c5c942211a0d7@mail.gmail.com><987106.72504.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B48AB26.2030505@opus40.org> Message-ID: > And speaking of Irish, also written from the point of view of someone > who's dead: Dominic Behan's "The Patriot Game." Speaking further of Irish Novels written by the dead, there's (if I manage to get this in before the Birk does) Flann O'Brien's _The Third Policeman_. (Also, not Irish of course, but the best known UK one, William Golding, _Pincher Martin_.) A positive Postumous Genre, but. Robin From chris at chrislott.org Sat Jan 9 13:28:52 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:28:52 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications Message-ID: As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list members' publications? Or you can just share authors and titles here! c From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 9 14:07:03 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:07:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B48D3D7.1020807@opus40.org> My Night with the Language Thieves and Situations - a Novel in Verse both from Ye Olde Font Shoppe Press, CT. Chris Lott wrote: > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > members' publications? > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From tony at starve.org Sat Jan 9 14:10:08 2010 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:10:08 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: <4B48D3D7.1020807@opus40.org> References: <4B48D3D7.1020807@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4B48D490.4060108@starve.org> With the Memory, Which is Enormous (Main Street Rag Press) The Lama's English Lessons (Three Candles Press) TheOldMole wrote: > My Night with the Language Thieves > > and > > Situations - a Novel in Verse > > both from Ye Olde Font Shoppe Press, CT. > > Chris Lott wrote: >> As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a >> bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) >> written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by >> Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list >> members' publications? >> >> Or you can just share authors and titles here! >> >> c >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > From almaginnes at aol.com Sat Jan 9 14:28:36 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:28:36 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications Message-ID: <132b0.401c0783.387a32e4@aol.com> Here are mine: Books: Ghost Alphabet White Pine Press 2008 Film History Word Tech Editions 2005 The Light In Our Houses Pleaides Press 2000 Taking Up Our Daily Tools St. Andrews College Press 1997 Chapbooks: Dry Glass Blues: One Version Pudding House Publications 2007 Outside A Tattoo Booth Nightshade Press 1991 Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > members' publications? > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sat Jan 9 15:25:22 2010 From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:25:22 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications Message-ID: <13c2e.63b34f3.387a4032@cs.com> No Word of Farewell: Selected Poems 1970-2000 (Story Line) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Sat Jan 9 15:39:17 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Whole Island / La isla en peso: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (U of California Press, 2009), editor and principal translator Gaspar Orozco, Notas del pa?s de Z / Notes from the Land of Z (Chihuahua, Mexico: Universidad Aut?noma de Chihuahua, 2008), translatot, bilingual edition. As Landscape (Tucson: Chax Press, 2008), poetry. Stories as Equipment for Living: Late Tales and Talks of Barbara Myerhoff (University of Michigan Press, 2007), editor, with Marc Kaminsky Jos? Kozer, Stet: Selected Poems (New York: Junction Press, 2006), editor and translator Different Birds (Exeter,UK: Shearsman Books, ebook, 2004, at www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks_pdfs/weiss_db.pdf), poetry Javier Manr?quez, Cuaderno de San Antonio / The San Antonio Notebook (La Paz, B.C.S., Mexico: Editorial Praxis, 2004), translator. Across the Line / Al otro lado: The Poetry of Baja California (San Diego: Junction Press, 2002), with Harry Polkinhorn, editor and principal translator Figures: 32 Poems (Tucson: Chax Press, 2002), poetry Fieldnotes (San Diego: Junction Press, 1995), poetry A Block-print by Kuniyoshi (Ashuelot NH: Four Zoas/Nighthouse Press, 1994), poetry Intimate Wilderness (New York: New Rivers Press, 1976), poems and photographs Letter to Maxine (Deerfield, MA: The Heron Press, 1974), poetry At 01:28 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: >As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a >bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) >written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by >Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. 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From chris at chrislott.org Sat Jan 9 17:33:34 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays Message-ID: If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, which ones do you take? c From rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sat Jan 9 17:53:39 2010 From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:53:39 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays Message-ID: <152f3.75382b9a.387a62f3@cs.com> In a message dated 1/9/2010 4:33:46 PM Central Standard Time, chris at chrislott.org writes: > > If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, > which ones do you take? Richard II-Henry V Hamlet The Tempest Julius Caesar 12th Night Richard III A Midsummer Night's Dream What? No Lear? On a desert island? Are you kidding? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also: MacBeth Richard II Henry IV, 1 and 2 King Lear Julius Caesar Troilus and Cressida As You Like It Hamlet Chris Lott wrote: > If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, > which ones do you take? > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 10 09:42:20 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:42:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays In-Reply-To: <4B49120F.90405@opus40.org> References: <4B49120F.90405@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4B49E74C.6000809@nut-n-but.net> I'd only take Henry 8--because it's the only Shakespeare play I haven't read. Oh, Pericles, too, for the same reason, although it's only part Shakespeare's. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:52:46 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:52:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays In-Reply-To: <4B49E74C.6000809@nut-n-but.net> References: <4B49120F.90405@opus40.org> <4B49E74C.6000809@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001100652o25398dc6nc19dad381cbc426f@mail.gmail.com> I'd take The Merchant of Venice because that is the one I should be reading right now. Pray, where is the island? On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I'd only take Henry 8--because it's the only Shakespeare play I haven't > read. Oh, Pericles, too, for the same reason, although it's only part > Shakespeare's. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:26:23 2010 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:26:23 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an update on mine, Chris: *Transparencies & Projections* [New York: New Rivers Press, 1969] *The Dance of the Red Swan* [New York: New Rivers Press, 1971] *Eclipse* [New York: New Rivers Press, 1974] *Winter Journey* [Minneapolis: New Rivers Press, 1979] The above four o.p. but online at capa.conncoll.edu . *G(e)nome* @ xpressed.wippiespace.com [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2003] *Rapsodie espagnole* @ xpressed.wippiespace.com [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2003] *Changing the Subject* (with James Cervantes) Los Angeles: Red Hen Press, 2003 *The Sonnet Project* @ xpressed.wippiespace.com [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2004] *Coyote's Engines *[2004] Formerly available at PoeticInhalation [defunct] Now available from the author *Theory of Harmony* @ xpressed.wippiespace.com [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2004] *The English Lesson* [Greensboro, NC: Unicorn Press, 2004] *Guide to the Tokyo Subway* [Maplewood, NJ: Hamilton Stone Editions, 2006] *Tango Bouquet and other poems* Vida Loca Books, 2007 available at http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=344 *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones* [Maplewood, NJ: Hamilton Stone Editions, 2007] Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > members' publications? > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mine is Caramboles (Paris: Argol Editions, 2008), of which there is still a review copy at CutBank Reviews, which I'd be happy to have you obtain from them, if you're interested. It's in French and English, but stands alone in English. Amicalement, Alex Dickow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 20:17:12 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] new poetry list publications In-Reply-To: <517736.63347.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201001101700.o0AH056p018613@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <517736.63347.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DEA2B7D4EDF4A00B99BB1D06AA4121E@RobinLaptopPC> My two cents' worth (from worldcat): Hamilton, Robin. The Lost Jockey: Collected Poems 1966-1982. Frome: Bran's Head, 1985. Hamilton, Robin. Pacts and Conjurations: New and Selected Poems 1982-2004. Darlington: Arrowhead Press, 2005. Weirdly, worldcat includes my first published volume: Hamilton, Robin. Views from the Bridge. York: [R. Hamilton], 1971 Given that there were only thirty copies ever printed, just how worldcat managed to include this ... OCLC Number: 79493567 Notes: Limited ed. of 30 copies. Description: iv,27 leaves ; 30cm. Responsibility: by Robin Hamilton. Deeply strange. Robin From rsillima at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 20:35:24 2010 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:35:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: NewPoetry list members' publications Message-ID: <313884.28229.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just the books, Ron Crow, Ithaca House, Ithaca, NY, 1971 Mohawk, Doones Press, Bowling Green, OH, 1973 Nox, Burning Deck, Providence, RI, 1974 Ketjak, This Press, San Francisco, CA, 1978 Sitting Up, Standing, Taking Steps, Tuumba, Berkeley, CA 1978; Walt Whitman Cultural Arts Center/Boog Literature, published as number two of the Whitman Notables series, Camden, NJ, 2002 Legend (collaboration with Bruce Andrews, Charles Bernstein, Ray Di Palma and Steve McCaffery), L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E/Segue, New York, NY, 1980 (http://www.princeton.edu/eclipse/projects/LEGEND/legend.html) Tjanting, The Figures, Berkeley, CA, 1981; Salt, Cambridge, UK / Applecross, Western Australia, Australia, 2002 (http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smc/1876857196.htm) Bart, Potes & Poets Press, Hartford, CT, 1982 (http://www.potespoets.org/chapbooks/bart.htm) ABC, Tuumba, Berkeley, CA, 1983 Paradise, Burning Deck, Providence, RI, 1985 (1985 Poetry Center Book Award) The Age of Huts, Roof Books, New York, 1986 (http://www.roofbooks.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100939290) Lit, Potes & Poets Press, Hartford, CT, 1987 (http://www.potespoets.org/catalog/lit.htm) What, The Figures, Great Barrington, MA, 1988 Manifest, Zasterle Press, Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain, 1990 Leningrad (collaboration with Michael Davidson, Lyn Hejinian, and Barrett Watten), Mercury House, San Francisco, CA, 1991 Demo to Ink, Chax Press, Tucson, AZ, 1992 Toner, Potes & Poets Press, E. Hartford, CT, 1992 (http://www.potespoets.org/catalog/toner.htm) Jones, Generator Press, Mentor, OH, 1993 N/O, Roof Press, New York, NY, 1994 (http://www.roofbooks.com/book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100636110) Xing, Meow Press, Buffalo, NY, 1996; Factory School Books, Ithaca, NY, 2004 (http://www.factoryschool.org/meowpress/silliman.html) MultiPlex, (includes two works by Karen Mac Cormack), Wild Honey Press, Bray, Co. Wicklow, Ireland, 1998 (R), Drogue Press, New York, NY, 1999 Woundwood, Cuneiform Press, Buffalo, NY, 2004 (http://www.cuneiformpress.com/wound.html) The Age of Huts (compleat), University of California Press, Berkeley, CA, 2007 (http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10742.html) The Alphabet, University of Alabama Press, Tuscaloosa, AL, forthcoming 2008 BOOKS: CRITICISM The New Sentence, Roof, New York, NY, 1987 (http://www.roofbooks.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100484640) BOOKS: MEMOIRS Under Albany, Salt, Cambridge, UK / Applecross, Western Australia, Australia, 2004 (http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sml/1844710513.htm) The Grand Piano: An Experiment in Collective Autobiography, Parts 1-10, co-authored with Bob Perelman, Barrett Watten, Steve Benson, Carla Harryman, Tom Mandel, Kit Robinson, Lyn Hejinian, Rae Armantrout & Ted Pearson, Mode A, Detroit, MI, 2006-2010 BOOKS: ANTHOLOGIES In the American Tree, National Poetry Foundation, University of Maine, Orono, ME, 1986; second edition, 2002 (http://www.upne.com/0-943373-51-4.html) E-BOOKS N/O, Roof Books, New York, NY, 2002 (http://www.roofbooks.com/book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100636110) Sunset Debris, Ubu Editions, New York, NY, 2002 (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_sunset.html_) 2197, Ubu Editions, New York, NY, 2002 (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_2197.html) The Chinese Notebook, Ubu Editions, New York, 2004 (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_chinese.html) Legend (collaboration with Bruce Andrews, Charles Bernstein, Ray Di Palma and Steve McCaffery), Eclipse, Princeton, NJ, 2004 (http://www.princeton.edu/eclipse/projects/LEGEND/legend.html) From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 00:06:27 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:06:27 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Conroy on the New York Times Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001102106p7121a76cg27d4400ffc13a246@mail.gmail.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/theater/11conroy.html?8dpc John Conroy -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 00:16:59 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:16:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: <313884.28229.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <313884.28229.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001102116te4bd8ebndf0f520cbd093709@mail.gmail.com> Ron, do you sleep, do you eat, you also work, I understand, besides dedicating yourself to the fine art of writing. The Alphabet alone that I have here seems a lifetime work from the size. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Ron Silliman wrote: > Just the books, > Ron > > Crow, Ithaca House, Ithaca, NY, 1971 > > Mohawk, Doones Press, Bowling Green, OH, 1973 > > Nox, Burning Deck, Providence, RI, 1974 > > Ketjak, This Press, San Francisco, CA, 1978 > > Sitting Up, Standing, Taking Steps, Tuumba, Berkeley, CA 1978; Walt Whitman > Cultural Arts Center/Boog Literature, published as number two of the Whitman > Notables series, Camden, NJ, 2002 > > Legend (collaboration with Bruce Andrews, Charles Bernstein, Ray Di Palma > and Steve McCaffery), L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E/Segue, New York, NY, 1980 > (http://www.princeton.edu/eclipse/projects/LEGEND/legend.html) > > Tjanting, The Figures, Berkeley, CA, 1981; Salt, Cambridge, UK / > Applecross, Western Australia, Australia, 2002 > (http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smc/1876857196.htm) > > Bart, Potes & Poets Press, Hartford, CT, 1982 > (http://www.potespoets.org/chapbooks/bart.htm) > > ABC, Tuumba, Berkeley, CA, 1983 > > Paradise, Burning Deck, Providence, RI, 1985 (1985 Poetry Center Book > Award) > > The Age of Huts, Roof Books, New York, 1986 > (http://www.roofbooks.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100939290) > > Lit, Potes & Poets Press, Hartford, CT, 1987 > (http://www.potespoets.org/catalog/lit.htm) > > What, The Figures, Great Barrington, MA, 1988 > > Manifest, Zasterle Press, Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain, 1990 > > Leningrad (collaboration with Michael Davidson, Lyn Hejinian, and Barrett > Watten), Mercury House, San Francisco, CA, 1991 > > Demo to Ink, Chax Press, Tucson, AZ, 1992 > > Toner, Potes & Poets Press, E. Hartford, CT, 1992 > (http://www.potespoets.org/catalog/toner.htm) > > Jones, Generator Press, Mentor, OH, 1993 > > N/O, Roof Press, New York, NY, 1994 > (http://www.roofbooks.com/book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100636110) > > Xing, Meow Press, Buffalo, NY, 1996; Factory School Books, Ithaca, NY, 2004 > (http://www.factoryschool.org/meowpress/silliman.html) > > MultiPlex, (includes two works by Karen Mac Cormack), Wild Honey Press, > Bray, Co. Wicklow, Ireland, 1998 > > (R), Drogue Press, New York, NY, 1999 > > Woundwood, Cuneiform Press, Buffalo, NY, 2004 > (http://www.cuneiformpress.com/wound.html) > > The Age of Huts (compleat), University of California Press, Berkeley, CA, > 2007 > (http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10742.html) > > The Alphabet, University of Alabama Press, Tuscaloosa, AL, forthcoming 2008 > > > > BOOKS: CRITICISM > > The New Sentence, Roof, New York, NY, 1987 > (http://www.roofbooks.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100484640) > > > > > > BOOKS: MEMOIRS > > > > Under Albany, Salt, Cambridge, UK / Applecross, Western Australia, > Australia, 2004 > (http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sml/1844710513.htm) > > The Grand Piano: An Experiment in Collective Autobiography, Parts 1-10, > co-authored with Bob Perelman, Barrett Watten, Steve Benson, Carla Harryman, > Tom Mandel, Kit Robinson, Lyn Hejinian, Rae Armantrout & Ted Pearson, Mode > A, Detroit, MI, 2006-2010 > > > > BOOKS: ANTHOLOGIES > > > > In the American Tree, National Poetry Foundation, University of Maine, > Orono, ME, 1986; second edition, 2002 > (http://www.upne.com/0-943373-51-4.html) > > > > E-BOOKS > > > > N/O, Roof Books, New York, NY, 2002 > > (http://www.roofbooks.com/book/index.cfm?GCOI=93780100636110) > > > > Sunset Debris, Ubu Editions, New York, NY, 2002 > > (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_sunset.html_) > > > > 2197, Ubu Editions, New York, NY, 2002 > > (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_2197.html) > > > > The Chinese Notebook, Ubu Editions, New York, 2004 > > (http://www.ubu.com/ubu/silliman_chinese.html) > > > > Legend (collaboration with Bruce Andrews, Charles Bernstein, Ray Di Palma > and Steve McCaffery), Eclipse, Princeton, NJ, 2004 > (http://www.princeton.edu/eclipse/projects/LEGEND/legend.html) > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hotel Imperium (Georgia, 1999) http://www.ugapress.uga.edu/index.php/books/hotel_imperium/1/0 The Last Campaign (Hudson Valley Writers' Center/Slapering Hol Press, 1998) http://www.writerscenter.org/campaign.html > -----Original Message----- > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] > On Behalf Of Chris Lott > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:29 AM > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. 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She was a huge influence on Roman lyric poets: Catullus famously translated a poem of hers, Horace wrote in her distinctive "Sapphic" stanzas, and Ovid in his Heroides (a collection of poems purporting to be love letters by jilted lovers to their ex-boyfriends) has one by Sappho to her certainly apocryphal lover, Phaon, on account of whom she was legendarily supposed to have killed herself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomkostro at sprintmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:27:33 2010 From: tomkostro at sprintmail.com (Tom Kostro) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rfrom Patricia B. e: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 67, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <201001091700.o09H05nd005567@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <201001091700.o09H05nd005567@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <65B00CDD-AE8E-4F2C-8A0F-E5CCBEC7F29A@sprintmail.com> You guys are funny. I two is in english teach. My students, mostly educated in New York City public schools and sort of Spanish speaking, but equally limited in THAT language say, She were a litter be tire. That means, she was a bit, a little bit, fatigued. So I find your peeves refreshing. I think the poem is pretty darned good, acshully and do wonder about the grand-mar... though I am a proud Finishing Line poetry too. On Jan 9, 2010, at 12:00 PM, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: >> >> One Night >> >> by Jeremy Voigt >> > > >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. Before >> I died I touched the shoulder >> of a policeman, felt the sure strength >> of his muscles, heard the only word >> he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >> because I stopped believing in him >> long ago. He mistook my smile >> for something positive and not listless >> irony, and I tried to correct him, >> but my throat stopped. Red lights. >> Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >> My wife wandered off into a river >> to give birth. I began calling my friends: >> "We are all dead," I said into the phone. >> I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >> note. I didn't know it would be this >> simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >> poked holes in a black sheet, tore >> into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >> yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. >> >> "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? >> Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now >> > >) >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B489868.10305 at nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > John Jeffrey wrote: >> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to >> shorten >> the thought, we get... >> >> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't >> poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their >> word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and >> grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J > Aw, come on, John. Would you be grammatical if you had just got kilt? > > --Bob > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/4f312ec6/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:05:47 -0500 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B489B4B.80306 at opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGK6jvigt8 > > Bob Grumman wrote: >> John Jeffrey wrote: >>> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >>> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to >>> shorten the thought, we get... >>> >>> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >>> >>> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >>> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't >>> poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their >>> word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and >>> grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. >>> >>> So says myself. >>> >>> John J >> Aw, come on, John. Would you be grammatical if you had just got >> kilt? >> >> --Bob >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:50:46 -0800 (PST) > From: John Jeffrey > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <987106.72504.qm at web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" > is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and > the pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has > to reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same > thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used > correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she > slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that > sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a > car), then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) > > And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's > Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have > listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. > His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. > > I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems > "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of > my head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the > Ball Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and > "Because I Could Not Stop for Death." > > John J > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 6:00:33 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > > I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean > that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor > man did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem > that reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was > killed, which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, > not to mention the other people who surround him. > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. > > You see, I could not write : > That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it > > because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did > you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the > poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By reading > I mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw > wrote: > > Yes, John, it is poor. >> >> If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of >> had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in >> it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out >> (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and >> unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. >> David Bircumshaw >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > From: John Jeffrey >> >> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > >> Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by >> myself >> >> >> >> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to >> shorten the thought, we get... >> >> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing myself. >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. (Ain't >> poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in their word- >> wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words and >> grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > From: Anny Ballardini >> To: "Ne >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > > It's also used correctly, in the Irish vernacular, as a term of > respect. > There's a wonderful scene in "Gentleman Jim" where someone ill- > advisedly > uses the phrase "Jim Corbett himself" in the presence of John L. > Sullivan (Ward Bond). John L. is still the champion, and, as such, the > only entitled (in the eyes of himself) to that honor. > > John Jeffrey wrote: >> Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" >> is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and the >> pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has to >> reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same >> thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used >> correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she >> slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that >> sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a >> car), >> then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) >> >> And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's >> Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have >> listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. >> His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. >> >> I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems >> "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of >> my >> head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball >> Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and "Because I >> Could Not Stop for Death." >> >> John J >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Fthe car with me in >> it w >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. >> (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in >> their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words >> and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, >> laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J >> >> My wife wandered off into a river >> to give birth. I began calling my friends: >> "We are all dead," I said into the phone. >> I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >> note. I didn't know it would be this >> simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >> poked holes in a black sheet, tore >> into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >> yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. >> >> "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? >> Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now >> > >) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:13:26 -0500 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B48AB26.2030505 at opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > And speaking of Irish, also written from the point of view of someone > who's dead: Dominic Behan's "The Patriot Game." > > John Jeffrey wrote: >> Even if he wrote "into us," it's still wrong. The only way "myself" >> is right is if the guy is the subject, the actor of the verb, and the >> pronoun is the object of that action. The objective pronoun has to >> reflect the subject, so, simplistically, they have to be the same >> thing. That's the only time the reflexive pronoun is used... used >> correctly, that is: I killed myself; you smelled yourself; she >> slapped herself; they mooned themselves; the turkey bit itself; that >> sort of thing. If I'm killed by anyone or anything else (like a >> car), >> then it's me, me, me, me, always me. (Told you it was a peeve.) >> >> And, Anny, I had read the poem initially. I get daily Writer's >> Almanac email each day, but I almost always only read them. I have >> listened to it, though, since reading your email about his reading. >> His near monotone does fit this sort of poem. >> >> I do think the guy is actually dead. There's are many poems >> "impossibly" written from the dead's point of view. Off the top of >> my >> head, a few famous ones are Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball >> Turret Gunner," and Dickinson's "I heard a Fly buzz" and "Because I >> Could Not Stop for Death." >> >> John J >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >> >> *Sent:* Sat, January 9, 2010 6:00:33 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by >> myself >> >> I understand your grammar concerns, but didn't the author maybe mean >> that his self was killed? Which could make sense because the poor man >> did not die otherwise he could not have written the tiny poem that >> reached us. And if this makes sense, then also his wife was killed, >> which means that he does not even trust his wife any more, not to >> mention the other people who surround him. >> That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it. >> >> You see, I could not write : >> That is the way I read the poem the first time I heard it >> >> because it does not make any sense from a grammar point of view. Did >> you read the poem or did you listen to the poem? I listened to the >> poem and while listening to it, I gave my interpretation. By >> reading I >> mean understanding. What a bad lot poets are! >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David Bircumshaw >> > wrote: >> >> Yes, John, it is poor. >> >> If he had written 'into us' instead of 'into me' then he could of >> had his 'and myself'. By 'me' he means 'my or the car with me in >> it which I am driving' doesn't he? but it comes out >> (unintentionally, I guess) egocentric, as if the nameless wife and >> unborn child were accessories the speaker had on him. >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. >> >> David Bircumshaw >> >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* John Jeffrey > > >> >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >> > >> *Sent:* Sat, 9 January, 2010 1:10:29 >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by >> myself >> >> It was the appalling misuse of the reflexive pronoun in the first >> sentence that made me shiver. Removing some of the details to >> shorten the thought, we get... >> >> The car crossed traffic before plowing into me, killing >> myself. >> >> It's a pet peeve, I'll admit. I always cringe when I hear people >> misuse "myself." I guess I just expected more from a poet. >> (Ain't poets supposed ta no English?) And yes, I know that in >> their word-wild zeal poets sometimes push the definitions of words >> and grammar, but this is just plain ignorance or, at best, >> laziness. >> >> So says myself. >> >> John J >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini > > >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> > >> *Sent:* Fri, January 8, 2010 10:22:05 AM >> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night read by Garrison >> Keillor >> >> some people say that Garrison Keillor has the same tone of voice >> when he reads different poems, maybe he has the right tone of >> voice for this one because he made me shiver. >> >> >> One Night >> >> by Jeremy Voigt >> > > >> >> The car crossed two lanes of traffic >> and a grass median before plowing >> head-on into me, killing my wife, >> unborn child, and myself. Before >> I died I touched the shoulder >> of a policeman, felt the sure strength >> of his muscles, heard the only word >> he spoke, "Jesus," and I smiled >> because I stopped believing in him >> long ago. He mistook my smile >> for something positive and not listless >> irony, and I tried to correct him, >> but my throat stopped. Red lights. >> Blue lights. Star's gases. I walked home. >> My wife wandered off into a river >> to give birth. I began calling my friends: >> "We are all dead," I said into the phone. >> I let them cry or exalt in turn, taking >> note. I didn't know it would be this >> simple. I slipped into a midnight robe, >> poked holes in a black sheet, tore >> into a loaf of bread. Wandered off >> yeast-heavy neither rising nor falling. >> >> "One Night" by Jeremy Voigt, from /Neither Rising nor Falling/. ? >> Finishing line Press, 2009. Reprinted with permission. (buy now >> > >) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:29:23 -0500 > From: "Robin Hamilton" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jeremy Voigt's One Night--when read by > myself > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >> And speaking of Irish, also written from the point of view of someone >> who's dead: Dominic Behan's "The Patriot Game." > > Speaking further of Irish Novels written by the dead, there's (if I > manage > to get this in before the Birk does) Flann O'Brien's _The Third > Policeman_. > > (Also, not Irish of course, but the best known UK one, William > Golding, > _Pincher Martin_.) > > A positive Postumous Genre, but. > > Robin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:28:52 -0900 > From: Chris Lott > Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > members' publications? > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > c > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 67, Issue 9 > ***************************************** Please visit my new book ,AMERICAN DESIRE website: http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody Patricia Brody patriciannb13 at gmail.com tomkostro at sprintmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paper Craft, Moria, 2006. Secret Kitty, Ahadada, 2006. Kittenhood, Ahadada, 2007. Chanteuse / Cantatrice, factory school, 2007. Vauxhall, Shearsman, 2009. Chapbooks still available include Cocktail, furniture press, and Identity Theft, dusie kollective. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jan 11 15:47:00 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:47:00 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] new poetry list publications In-Reply-To: <517736.63347.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201001101700.o0AH056p018613@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <517736.63347.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If my blogging about it qualifies as review enough, then I'd of course love to get a review copy. Otherwise, I'm happy to purchase it... if you can facilitate a review copy, my mailing address is: Chris Lott PO Box 82826 Fairbanks, AK 99708-2826 Or if you can provide a link to purchase... thx!! c On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > Hi Chris, > Thanks for the interest. Mine is Caramboles (Paris: Argol Editions, 2008), > of which there is still a review copy at CutBank Reviews, which I'd be happy > to have you obtain from them, if you're interested. It's in French and > English, but stands alone in English. > Amicalement, > Alex Dickow > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jan 11 15:48:23 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:48:23 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications In-Reply-To: <0AF8DA0A-57F8-42D1-AE49-EF024A62EE14@muohio.edu> References: <0AF8DA0A-57F8-42D1-AE49-EF024A62EE14@muohio.edu> Message-ID: Thx for the offer! If my blogging about the book is enough to justify a review copy, my snail mail is: Chris Lott PO Box 82826 Fairbanks, AK 99708-2826 c -- Chris Lott On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:32 AM, cris cheek wrote: > part : short life housing (The Gig, 2009) > > > if you wanted to tip a Brit living and working in the US into your mix > > > > chunky 260pp selection on Pierre Joris' 13 best of 2009 list > > available from SPD, although if you wanted a review copy Chris i could get > one to you just b/c me your address > > > > o and ?happy nu ears to all here > > > > xx > > cris > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:03:26 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:03:26 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] new poetry list publications In-Reply-To: References: <201001101700.o0AH056p018613@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <517736.63347.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: anyone here who wants .pdf galley versions (not final) or any of mine can have them; in addition, several are available in free .pdf online anyway -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From uddipana at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 22:44:36 2010 From: uddipana at gmail.com (Uddipana Goswami) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:14:36 +0530 Subject: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications Message-ID: Mine's just published: "We Called the River Red: Poetry from a Violent Homeland" Author's Press, New Delhi On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:30 PM, wrote: > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (TheOldMole) > 2. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (Tony Trigilio) > 3. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (almaginnes at aol.com) > 4. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (Judy Prince) > 5. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) > 6. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (Mark Weiss) > 7. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (John Jeffrey) > 8. RE: NewPoetry list members' publications (Bill Morgan) > 9. desert island Shakespeare plays (Chris Lott) > 10. Re: desert island Shakespeare plays (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) > 11. Re: desert island Shakespeare plays (TheOldMole) > 12. Re: desert island Shakespeare plays (Bob Grumman) > 13. Re: desert island Shakespeare plays (Anny Ballardini) > 14. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (Halvard Johnson) > 15. Re: NewPoetry list members' publications (cris cheek) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:07:03 -0500 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B48D3D7.1020807 at opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My Night with the Language Thieves > > and > > Situations - a Novel in Verse > > both from Ye Olde Font Shoppe Press, CT. > > Chris Lott wrote: > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > > members' publications? > > > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:10:08 -0600 > From: Tony Trigilio > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B48D490.4060108 at starve.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > With the Memory, Which is Enormous (Main Street Rag Press) > > The Lama's English Lessons (Three Candles Press) > > > > TheOldMole wrote: > > My Night with the Language Thieves > > > > and > > > > Situations - a Novel in Verse > > > > both from Ye Olde Font Shoppe Press, CT. > > > > Chris Lott wrote: > >> As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > >> bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > >> written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > >> Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > >> members' publications? > >> > >> Or you can just share authors and titles here! > >> > >> c > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:28:36 EST > From: almaginnes at aol.com > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <132b0.401c0783.387a32e4 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here are mine: > > > Books: > Ghost Alphabet White Pine Press 2008 > Film History Word Tech Editions 2005 > The Light In Our Houses Pleaides Press 2000 > Taking Up Our Daily Tools St. Andrews College Press 1997 > Chapbooks: > Dry Glass Blues: One Version Pudding House Publications 2007 > Outside A Tattoo Booth Nightshade Press 1991 > Al > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/beb2fc1d/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:36:26 -0500 > From: Judy Prince > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > <7db1d01b1001091136sea05970gd36769d0f6e8f46 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Chris, please back channel me your snail mail address so I can send you > just-launched *Frisky Moll Press*'s pamphlet of Robin Hamilton's > translations of Anacreon. > > Thanks for the terrific idea! > > Judy > > > 2010/1/9 Chris Lott > > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > > members' publications? > > > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/a1f332e4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:25:22 EST > From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <13c2e.63b34f3.387a4032 at cs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > No Word of Farewell: Selected Poems 1970-2000 (Story Line) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/2d78c3b8/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:17 -0500 > From: Mark Weiss > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The Whole Island / La isla en peso: Six > Decades of Cuban Poetry (U of California > Press, 2009), editor and principal translator > Gaspar Orozco, Notas del pa?s de Z / > Notes from the Land of Z (Chihuahua, Mexico: > Universidad Aut?noma de Chihuahua, > 2008), translatot, bilingual edition. > As Landscape (Tucson: Chax Press, 2008), poetry. > Stories as Equipment for Living: Late > Tales and Talks of Barbara Myerhoff (University > of Michigan Press, 2007), editor, with Marc Kaminsky > Jos? Kozer, Stet: Selected Poems (New > York: Junction Press, 2006), editor and translator > Different Birds (Exeter,UK: Shearsman > Books, ebook, 2004, at > www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks_pdfs/weiss_db.pdf), poetry > Javier Manr?quez, Cuaderno de San > Antonio / The San Antonio Notebook (La Paz, > B.C.S., Mexico: Editorial Praxis, 2004), translator. > Across the Line / Al otro lado: The > Poetry of Baja California (San Diego: Junction > Press, 2002), with Harry Polkinhorn, editor and principal translator > Figures: 32 Poems (Tucson: Chax Press, 2002), poetry > Fieldnotes (San Diego: Junction Press, 1995), poetry > A Block-print by Kuniyoshi (Ashuelot NH: > Four Zoas/Nighthouse Press, 1994), poetry > Intimate Wilderness (New York: New > Rivers Press, 1976), poems and photographs > Letter to Maxine (Deerfield, MA: The Heron Press, 1974), poetry > > > At 01:28 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: > >As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > >bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > >written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > >Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > >members' publications? > > > >Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > > >c > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban > Poetry (University of California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/928d0127/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:34:09 -0800 (PST) > From: John Jeffrey > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <489283.80904.qm at web54102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Ah Sam, this is a good'n. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "rsgwynn1 at cs.com" > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 3:25:22 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > > No Word of Farewell: Selected Poems 1970-2000 (Story Line) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/b716bedb/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:13:54 -0600 > From: "Bill Morgan" > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views'" > > Message-ID: <046801ca9179$086ef440$194cdcc0$@edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bill Morgan, Sky With Six Geese (Columbus: Pudding House, 2005). > > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > members' publications? > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0900 > From: Chris Lott > Subject: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays > To: Cafe-Blue , "NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry News &, Views" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, > which ones do you take? > > c > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:53:39 EST > From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <152f3.75382b9a.387a62f3 at cs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 1/9/2010 4:33:46 PM Central Standard Time, > chris at chrislott.org writes: > > > > If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, > > which ones do you take? > Richard II-Henry V > Hamlet > The Tempest > Julius Caesar > 12th Night > Richard III > A Midsummer Night's Dream > > What? No Lear? On a desert island? Are you kidding? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100109/84d50828/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:32:31 -0500 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B49120F.90405 at opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well, you'd have to take The Tempest, even though it might drive you a > litle nuts. > > Also: > > MacBeth > Richard II > Henry IV, 1 and 2 > King Lear > Julius Caesar > Troilus and Cressida > As You Like It > Hamlet > > Chris Lott wrote: > > If you can only take 10 Shakespeare plays to the dread desert island, > > which ones do you take? > > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:42:20 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <4B49E74C.6000809 at nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'd only take Henry 8--because it's the only Shakespeare play I haven't > read. Oh, Pericles, too, for the same reason, although it's only part > Shakespeare's. > > --Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:52:46 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] desert island Shakespeare plays > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > <4b65c2d71001100652o25398dc6nc19dad381cbc426f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'd take The Merchant of Venice because that is the one I should be reading > right now. Pray, where is the island? > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Bob Grumman >wrote: > > > I'd only take Henry 8--because it's the only Shakespeare play I haven't > > read. Oh, Pericles, too, for the same reason, although it's only part > > Shakespeare's. > > > > --Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100110/dbc180b4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:26:23 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Here's an update on mine, Chris: > > *Transparencies & Projections* > [New York: New Rivers Press, 1969] > > *The Dance of the Red Swan* > [New York: New Rivers Press, 1971] > > *Eclipse* > [New York: New Rivers Press, 1974] > > *Winter Journey* > [Minneapolis: New Rivers Press, 1979] > > The above four o.p. but online at capa.conncoll.edu . > > *G(e)nome* > @ xpressed.wippiespace.com > [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2003] > > *Rapsodie espagnole* > @ xpressed.wippiespace.com > [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2003] > > *Changing the Subject* (with James Cervantes) > Los Angeles: Red Hen Press, 2003 > > *The Sonnet Project* > @ xpressed.wippiespace.com > [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2004] > > *Coyote's Engines *[2004] > Formerly available at PoeticInhalation [defunct] > Now available from the author > > *Theory of Harmony* > @ xpressed.wippiespace.com > [Espoo, Finland: xpressed, 2004] > > *The English Lesson* > [Greensboro, NC: Unicorn Press, 2004] > > *Guide to the Tokyo Subway* > [Maplewood, NJ: Hamilton Stone Editions, 2006] > > *Tango Bouquet and other poems* > Vida Loca Books, 2007 > available at > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=344 > > *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones* > [Maplewood, NJ: Hamilton Stone Editions, 2007] > > > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > --Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > > As part of a personal project I'm going to be reading and writing a > > bit about at least 10 books (chapbooks, collections, poetry or other) > > written by NewPoetry list members. I have a few in hand already by > > Skip Fox and Jeff Newberry. Is there any kind of a bibliograhy of list > > members' publications? > > > > Or you can just share authors and titles here! > > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100110/5b180634/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:32:01 -0500 > From: cris cheek > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] NewPoetry list members' publications > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <0AF8DA0A-57F8-42D1-AE49-EF024A62EE14 at muohio.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > part : short life housing (The Gig, 2009) > > > if you wanted to tip a Brit living and working in the US into your mix > > > > chunky 260pp selection on Pierre Joris' 13 best of 2009 list > > available from SPD, although if you wanted a review copy Chris i > could get one to you just b/c me your address > > > > o and happy nu ears to all here > > > > xx > > cris > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 67, Issue 10 > ****************************************** > -- Uddipana Goswami www.jajabori-mon.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright ?2008 by Lyn Lifshin, whose most recent book of poems is *Persephone,* Red Hen Press, 2008. Poem reprinted from *Natural Bridge,* No. 20, Winter, 2008, by permission of Lyn Lifshin and the publisher. Introduction copyright ? 2009 by The Poetry Foundation. The introduction's author, Ted Kooser, served as United States Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress from 2004-2006. We do not accept unsolicited manuscripts. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eliot prize Message-ID: <8CC61C7B35B1671-4B28-D3EC@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/poetry/article6978119.ece The annual 10-book shortlist for the ?15,000 TS??Eliot prize can be re-lied on to provide an intriguing mix of obvious candidates and surprising outsiders. But the experienced poet judges for 2009 (Simon Armitage, Collette Bryce and Penelope ?Shuttle) have added some particularly wild cards to the four choices already delivered to them by the Poetry Book Society. (The PBS makes a quarterly choice for its members, and those four titles automatically go on the shortlist.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 13:40:15 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:40:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sent by Ted Kooser In-Reply-To: <48f3.27e7726a.387de67d@cs.com> References: <48f3.27e7726a.387de67d@cs.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001121040n5daa1097u839dd6ce4980d509@mail.gmail.com> I'd say that the handkerchieeefs make you sneeze. About the pastel letters, I can see the telegrams sent during WW2, their letters now fading away. In the "it" I can suppose a particular connection with a particular handkerchief _ this does not justify the improper use of "it" in this case. She should have been more careful. The final twist has a strong emotional character. And that is why I forwarded the poem. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 1/11/2010 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, > anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: > > *The Other Fathers > * > > would be coming back > from some war, sending > back stuffed birds or > *handkerchiefs* in navy > blue with Love painted > on *it.* Some sent telegrams > for birthdays, the pastel > letters like jewels. > > > Grammar? And telegrams with pastel letters? Is that accurate? Special > birthday telegrams maybe? A nice poem otherwise. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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Finishing Line Press http://finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm http://www.MillicentBorgesAccardi.com Facebook/MillB http://womporeadersdirectory.wikispaces.com/WEST http://www.MillicentBorgesAccardi.com Facebook/MillB http://womporeadersdirectory.wikispaces.com/WEST -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 10:40 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Sent by Ted Kooser I'd say that the handkerchieeefs make you sneeze. About the pastel letters, I can see the telegrams sent during WW2, their letters now fading away. In the "it" I can suppose a particular connection with a particular handkerchief _ this does not justify the improper use of "it" in this case. She should have been more careful. The final twist has a strong emotional character. And that is why I forwarded the poem. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wrote: In a message dated 1/11/2010 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: The Other Fathers would be coming back from some war, sending back stuffed birds or handkerchiefs in navy blue with Love painted on it. Some sent telegrams for birthdays, the pastel letters like jewels. Grammar? And telegrams with pastel letters? Is that accurate? Special birthday telegrams maybe? A nice poem otherwise. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 14:42:50 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:42:50 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sent by Ted Kooser In-Reply-To: <8CC61CE674A23A3-4B28-E1BD@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> References: <48f3.27e7726a.387de67d@cs.com> <4b65c2d71001121040n5daa1097u839dd6ce4980d509@mail.gmail.com> <8CC61CE674A23A3-4B28-E1BD@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001121142j6103f579xb0b859d7d9b1d45d@mail.gmail.com> Well thanks for trying, :-) On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Millicent wrote: > Unless, in some weird way "it" is not te stuffed birds or handkerchiefs > (plural) but the war or one war in particular? Like war with love painted > on it? This is a massive stretch and even I am not buying it. LOL > > Millicent > > Presale for my book Woman on a Shaky Bridge opens Oct. 20th. > Finishing Line Press > http://finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm > > http://www.MillicentBorgesAccardi.com > Facebook/MillB > http://womporeadersdirectory.wikispaces.com/WEST > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 10:40 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Sent by Ted Kooser > > I'd say that the handkerchieeefs make you sneeze. > About the pastel letters, I can see the telegrams sent during WW2, their > letters now fading away. > In the "it" I can suppose a particular connection with a particular > handkerchief _ this does not justify the improper use of "it" in this case. > She should have been more careful. > The final twist has a strong emotional character. And that is why I > forwarded the poem. > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 1/11/2010 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: >> >> *The Other Fathers >> * >> >> would be coming back >> from some war, sending >> back stuffed birds or >> *handkerchiefs* in navy >> blue with Love painted >> on *it.* Some sent telegrams >> for birthdays, the pastel >> letters like jewels. >> >> >> Grammar? And telegrams with pastel letters? Is that accurate? Special >> birthday telegrams maybe? A nice poem otherwise. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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WHERE: WESTMINSTER HALL (the burial place of Edgar Allan Poe) 519 West Fayette Street (corner Fayette and Greene), Baltimore, Maryland 21201 Tickets are $35.00 (Order your tickets at www.poebicentennial.com). Tickets are transferable, but not refundable. http://www.poebicentennial.com/ Celebrate Poe's birthday with us this January as we go beyond the bicentennial and present this astounding tour de force! You've heard about this remarkable one-man show and your friends who have seen it agree with the LA Times, calling Jeffrey Combs work "a landmark performance"! Stay after the performance for our famous Birthday toast to Poe, and an after-show discussion with star Jeffrey Combs and director Stuart Gordon, moderated by Mark Redfield. About the play, "NEVERMORE, An Evening with Edgar Allan Poe" The Poe House and Museum is proud to present the East Coast premiere of this exciting work which debuted in Los Angeles at the Steve Allen Theater on July, 2009. Sold-out houses and multiple extensions brought the run in Los Angeles to a close on December 19, 2009. Hundreds of fans have seen the show and raved about Jeffrey Combs portrayal of Edgar Allan Poe. "NEVERMORE, An Evening With Edgar Allan Poe" recreates the public recitals that Poe presented during the last few years of his life. This is Poe in his own words. The text is taken from his letters and essays. "A landmark performance" -LA Times ABOUT JEFFREY COMBS : Combs has appeared in over 75 stage productions during his long and successful career. He has performed at numerous theaters including the Old Globe, the Mark Taper Forum, South Coast Repertory, Pacific Conservatory of the Performing Arts and the Arizona Theatre Company. He has starred in over 50 films and is perhaps best known for his portrayal of Herbert West in the cult classic RE-ANIMATOR. He also starred in FROM BEYOND, LOVE & A .45, the recent remake of HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL and Peter Jackson's THE FRIGHTENERS among many others. Over the span of his career, Jeffrey has also guest starred on many TV series including THE 4400, COLD CASE, and CSI. He appeared in almost 50 episodes as three different recurring roles within the STAR TREK franchise. He has also portrayed Poe on film in Stuart Gordon's THE BLACK CAT, a highly acclaimed episode of Showtime's MASTERS OF HORROR series. "A must-see" - Metromix ABOUT DENNIS PAOLI (playwright): Paoli has written screenplays and plays, many of them adaptations of the works of H.P. Lovecraft and Edgar Allan Poe (RE-ANIMATOR, THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM) many of them collaborations with many other writers (BEACH BUMS, BODYSNATCHERS), most of those with Stuart Gordon (DREAMS IN THE WITCH-HOUSE, THE BLACK CAT, FROM BEYOND). He teaches Gothic fiction (among other literature) and academic writing at Hunter College in New York City, and is Director of the Heidi Paoli Fund, to support cancer patients. "Beautifully directed" - LA Weekly ABOUT STUART GORDON (director): Gordon has been collaborating with writer Dennis Paoli since their high school comedy group called The Human Race hit the boards nearly 50 years ago and with actor Jeffrey Combs since they joined forces on the cult film RE-ANIMATOR almost 25 years ago. In 1969 Gordon and his wife Carolyn founded Chicago's Organic Theater Company, where as artistic director he produced and directed over 35 original plays. These included the science fiction trilogy WARP which was performed on Broadway, the world premiere of David Mamet's SEXUAL PERVERSITY IN CHICAGO, and POE, his first exploration of the life and works of the tormented writer. Stuart Gordon is also known for his film adaptations of the works of H.P. Lovecraft which include FROM BEYOND and DAGON; as the co-creator of Disney's HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS and as the director of EDMOND, the film adaptation of David Mamet's play. http://www.poebicentennial.com/ e?ratio loves you. Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino http://eratio.blogspot.com/ http://thepostmodernromantic.blogspot.com/ http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/ e? From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 00:47:12 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:47:12 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Laura Orem Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001122147k31d8d654j47de61c944ddf074@mail.gmail.com> So it puzzles me to get submissions that are literally full of formatting errors, misspellings, and obvious typos. 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Just teasing. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > Interesting, but the same names kept appearing on list after list. It's > possible that these folks only read about twenty books last year. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Anthology *Visiting Wallace: Poems Inspired by Wallace Stevens*, editors Dennis Barone and James Finnegan *The Oxford Anthology of Latin American Poetry*, editors Ernesto Livon Grosman and Cecilia Vicu?a *The Best American Poetry 2009 ,* editors David Lehman & David Wagoner *Poems from the Women?s Movement, *editor Honor Moore *Essential Pleasures,* editor Robert Pinsky Best Second Book *The Dance of No Hard Feelings*, Mark Bibbins *The Last 4 Things *, Kate Greenstreet *Slaves to Do These Things*, Amy King *The Book of Props *, Wayne Miller *Stranger*, Laura Sims -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Send all work to: puerto.popculture at gmail.com and if someone's on the buffalo list, please pass it along? -- Carmen Gim?nez Smith Assistant Professor New Mexico State University PO Box 30001, MSC 3E Las Cruces, NM 88003 (575) 646-4338 Publisher, Noemi Press | www.noemipress.org Editor-in-Chief, Puerto del Sol | www.puertodelsol.org _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 14 13:57:03 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:57:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Million's Poet competition in Abu Dhabi Message-ID: <8CC63627EE3E152-32F0-2133D@webmail-d060.sysops.aol.com> http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=36655 ABU DHABI ? Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, and Sheikh Haza?a Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, National Security Advisor attended the fifth live episode of Million?s Poet competition on Wednesday evening at Al Raha Beach Theater in Abu Dhabi. The competition which features the best 48 Nabati poets in the Arab World, which is organized and produced by Abu Dhabi Authority for Culture and Heritage (ADACH), aims to preserve one of the ancient literature practices that were popular in Arabia for more than thousand years ago. In the episode eight new poets competed by delivering their best poems before the specialized jury panel who voted for an African poet for the first time in the history of the competition. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html 104 men 37 women Best, Amy -- BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jan 15 10:34:15 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:34:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York In-Reply-To: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> Wait a second. I've got one -- last I checked. Am I distinguished? amy king wrote: > Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) > > I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? > > > http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html > > > 104 men > > 37 women > > > > Best, > > Amy > > > -- > > BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 15 10:56:44 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:56:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> amy king wrote: > Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) > > I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? > > > http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html > > > 104 men > > 37 women > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough for there to be as many old female academics around as old male academics. I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. Affirmative action has long been more important than the old boy network. --Bob From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 11:11:01 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:11:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> Message-ID: <897981.37570.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You're higher in the running than I am, Tad! _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:34:15 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York Wait a second. I've got one -- last I checked. Am I distinguished? amy king wrote: > Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) > > I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? > > > http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html > > > 104 men > > 37 women > > > > Best, > > Amy > > > -- > > BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 11:13:07 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:13:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York Message-ID: <481847.96671.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Someone on another list suggested the article below, which I don't have full access to for some reason (anyone?): Amy, if you're interested & if it's related to what you're thinking about there have been a number of studies and articles published in the Chronicle about how few women there are after the Associate Professor level - here's one: Not Moving On Up: Why Women Get Stuck at Associate Professor (http://chronicle.com/article/Not-Moving-On-Up-Why-Women/47213). Here at CU Boulder is stunning, really, miniscule percentage of women at the higher levels. - Lori On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, amy king wrote: > Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) > > I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that being a man really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? > > > http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html > > > 104 men > > 37 women > > > > Best, > > Amy > > > -- > > BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.loriemerson.com http://www.electronicbookreview.com http://twitter.com/loriemerson ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html From junction at earthlink.net Fri Jan 15 11:15:58 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:15:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] lodgings needed for visiting poet Message-ID: An Irish poet and his lady will be visiting New York March 13 to 21 and are looking for a place to stay. Totally reliable. Anybody going to be out of town and willing to rent to them? Totally reliable. Please b/c and I'll give details. Best, Mark Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 11:46:09 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bob, you're right to a certain degree - The numbers have, I'm sure, increased, but this may be tokenism that won't amount to much down the road. Someone on another list just sent her Maryland link: http://www.faculty.umd.edu/FacAwards/duplist.html A quick count of the current distinguished profs, excluding a few (about five -- couldn't determine gender), 27 men and 4 women. I think the momentum of the Women's Movement, Civil Rights movement, GLBT movement, etc has stalled, and "progress" is construed by the younger generations as *here* rather than something to work for... I mean, I can dress as I like now, right? Have sex with whomever I choose, etc. Me, myself and I, personal choices = a form of "liberated", but what about the structures I move within? What do they demand of me and expect? How am I viewed? Rewarded? Helped? Punished? etc. These questions aren't in my younger students' consciousness so much... I'm reading a book by Nina Power, "One Dimensional Woman", in which the author attempts to address why the term "feminist" has become so watered-down: One Dimensional Woman by Nina Power is a small book - just over 100 pages but it makes some very interesting points about women today. Why do the few so-called feminist books aimed at younger women concentrate on personal improvement rather than changing society? Why has the consumer society had such a huge effect on women to the extent they must have the latest designer handbag, plastic surgery their own flat and a man - probably in that order? Why do women objectify their own bodies even though women have spent decades complaining about men doing just that? http://jillysheep.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-dimensional-woman.html >From O Books - http://www.o-books.com/obookssite/book/detail/354 And of course, this attitude is all systemic, reaching up to the grand echelons of academia - who is "distinguished", who can attract students, make money for the school/business, as suggested. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Grumman > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough for there to be as many old female academics around as old male academics. I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. Affirmative action has long been more important than the old boy network. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jan 15 11:47:23 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:47:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York In-Reply-To: <897981.37570.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> <897981.37570.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B509C1B.50600@opus40.org> I consider you distinguished. amy king wrote: > You're higher in the running than I am, Tad! > > > _______ > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TheOldMole > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:34:15 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York > > Wait a second. I've got one -- last I checked. Am I distinguished? > > amy king wrote: > >> Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) >> >> I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? >> >> >> http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html >> >> >> 104 men >> >> 37 women >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Amy >> >> >> -- >> >> BOOK >> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm >> >> INTERVIEW >> >> Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 11:58:10 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:58:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B509C1B.50600@opus40.org> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> <897981.37570.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B509C1B.50600@opus40.org> Message-ID: <994966.3647.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Tha'ts going in my bio: Amy King, Distinguished Tad Scholar and Facebook friend, has ... I deem thee distinguished to boot. And your home is most distinguished of all... ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 11:47:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York I consider you distinguished. amy king wrote: > You're higher in the running than I am, Tad! > > > _______ > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TheOldMole > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:34:15 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York > > Wait a second. I've got one -- last I checked. Am I distinguished? > > amy king wrote: > >> Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) >> >> I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic realms? >> >> >> http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html >> >> >> 104 men >> >> 37 women >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Amy >> >> >> -- >> >> BOOK >> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm >> >> INTERVIEW >> >> Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:03:40 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:03:40 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - The City University of New York In-Reply-To: <994966.3647.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B508AF7.9070902@opus40.org> <897981.37570.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B509C1B.50600@opus40.org> <994966.3647.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001150903w1334a60cl6f442e1d4eee0777@mail.gmail.com> :-) yeah, I also Distinguish you Both! On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM, amy king wrote: > > Tha'ts going in my bio: > > Amy King, Distinguished Tad Scholar and Facebook friend, has ... > > I deem thee distinguished to boot. And your home is most distinguished of > all... > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TheOldMole > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 11:47:23 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - > The City University of New York > > I consider you distinguished. > > amy king wrote: > > You're higher in the running than I am, Tad! > > > > > > _______ > > BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > > > INTERVIEW > > > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: TheOldMole > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:34:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors > - The City University of New York > > > > Wait a second. I've got one -- last I checked. Am I distinguished? > > > > amy king wrote: > > > >> Re: The "elite" (i.e. Billy Collins, Mary Ann Caws, etc) > >> > >> I happened to be scrolling down this page last night looking for > someone, when I realized that a penis really helps CUNY deem a professor > "distinguished". Wonder what the remaining criteria are (I'm serious - I'll > investigate) and if there are similar instances in other noteworthy academic > realms? > >> > >> > >> http://www.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/distinguished/view.html > >> > >> > >> 104 men > >> > >> 37 women > >> > >> > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Amy > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> BOOK > >> > >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > >> > >> INTERVIEW > >> > >> Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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In my experience, the Chronicle has a heavy agenda, which doesn't mean it's never to be trusted, but it is (again in my experience) worth being extremely wary about taking anything said there at face value. Robin From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 13:25:52 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to Do These Things Message-ID: <45131.32348.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to Do These Things: http://towerjournal.com/winter_09/robert_philbin2.htm _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:54:07 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:54:07 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors - TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: here's the author's blog http://www.cinestatic.com/infinitethought/ I must admt tho that the argument against straw postfeminists seems a little 90s. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 14:00:08 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:00:08 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: CUNY Distinguished Professors - The CityUniversity of New York In-Reply-To: <07CAB1FFB3F347B3970743B025F7CD5A@RobinLaptopPC> References: <481847.96671.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <07CAB1FFB3F347B3970743B025F7CD5A@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: the mla free essay is interesting; I think the chronicle article might be based on it http://www.mla.org/pdf/cswp_final042909.pdf although, I am distressed that after their report, showing that women lag about 4 years behind men in promotion, and devote more time to teaching than to research/writing, that the recommendations were not only VERY weak AND after showing that it was unclear WHY women weren't promoted #1 was to pay the men (the full professors) more! Colleges and universities should offer substantial increases in salary when a faculty member is promoted from associate professor to professor. At institutions of higher education across the country, the increase in salary at promotion generally offers little incentive to aspire to and strive for promotion. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 03:01:06 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:01:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to Do These Things In-Reply-To: <45131.32348.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <45131.32348.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001160001w5f05c43amf08cacc0aea0fec9@mail.gmail.com> A very positive review for our Amy King! 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 16 12:04:03 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:04:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> amy king wrote: > Bob, you're right to a certain degree - The numbers have, I'm sure, increased, but this may be tokenism that won't amount to much down the road. I'm sure a lot of it is tokenism. But create enough tokens and they'll eventually be more and more able to compete against the entrenched establishment. If they want to. I think one thing you're getting at is that women, for some reason, may not want to become distinguished professors, wrongly or rightly. You'd certainly think they'd be doing better now that female college students outnumber men. Fascinatingly complex question I wish I had more than two or three cents to throw at it. --Bob > Someone on another list just sent her Maryland link: http://www.faculty.umd.edu/FacAwards/duplist.html A quick count of the current distinguished profs, excluding a few (about five -- couldn't determine gender), 27 men and 4 women. > > I think the momentum of the Women's Movement, Civil Rights movement, GLBT movement, etc has stalled, and "progress" is construed by the younger generations as *here* rather than something to work for... I mean, I can dress as I like now, right? Have sex with whomever I choose, etc. Me, myself and I, personal choices = a form of "liberated", but what about the structures I move within? What do they demand of me and expect? How am I viewed? Rewarded? Helped? Punished? etc. These questions aren't in my younger students' consciousness so much... > > I'm reading a book by Nina Power, "One Dimensional Woman", in which the author attempts to address why the term "feminist" has become so watered-down: > > One Dimensional Woman by Nina Power is a small book - just over 100 pages but it makes some very interesting points about women today. Why do the few so-called feminist books aimed at younger women concentrate on personal improvement rather than changing society? Why has the consumer society had such a huge effect on women to the extent they must have the latest designer handbag, plastic surgery their own flat and a man - probably in that order? Why do women objectify their own bodies even though women have spent decades complaining about men doing just that? > http://jillysheep.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-dimensional-woman.html > > >From O Books - http://www.o-books.com/obookssite/book/detail/354 > > And of course, this attitude is all systemic, reaching up to the grand echelons of academia - who is "distinguished", who can attract students, make money for the school/business, as suggested. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Grumman > >> >> > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough for there to be as many old female academics around as old male academics. I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. Affirmative action has long been more important than the old boy network. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 14:11:26 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:11:26 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to Do These Things In-Reply-To: <852878.90112.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <45131.32348.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d71001160001w5f05c43amf08cacc0aea0fec9@mail.gmail.com> <852878.90112.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001161111k709b3fdcxdef4d3a535af3bed@mail.gmail.com> You Have Made My Day! (believe it or not, I had to read it three times to get it...) On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM, amy king wrote: > Thank you, Anny! And I find you to be the most distinguished of all! And > an incredible devotee to the proliferation of poetry - thank you! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sat, January 16, 2010 3:01:06 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Fwd: Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to > Do These Things > > A very positive review for our Amy King! > > > > Robert Philbin reviews Amy King's Slaves to Do These Things: > > http://towerjournal.com/winter_09/robert_philbin2.htm > > > > _______ > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 03:28:42 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:28:42 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Franks In-Reply-To: <90081549-F2AE-4D46-B1A9-4D2549307DF3@mindspring.com> References: <90081549-F2AE-4D46-B1A9-4D2549307DF3@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001170028n60db87bnd690c7696d9ecb1e@mail.gmail.com> For the sad departure of David Franks, Lewis Warsh forwarded a message to the Buffalo: I was sorry to hear that David Franks has died. Here's a poem by David published in Angel Hair Magazine #6, edited by Anne Waldman and Lewis Warsh, 1969. THE FOUNTAIN I walked two times around the fountain and I watched the branches full of green leaves double in the still water the light around and I sat down on the green bench in the middle and my eyes fixed on the only lite window in the tenement across the street from where I sat and it was awhile until I focused my sight and I saw cut through the blinds a man wearing a white undershirt washing in a sink I couldn't see and then I thought no there are lovers there, not a man washing, and I saw that for awhile and I saw them draw the blinds, but I don't think they actually did and then it was the man wearing a white undershirt again shaving for awhile over the sink I couldn't see the "Hot" faucet was turned on all the way and he forced it and then I saw the man glancing at me; and I wondered if he saw me; I unfocused my eyes again and thought and turned away and heard sirens and I began to feel cold and I remembered that it was after 2 o'clock Wednesday morning and I wondered if that was too late to be where I was; then I looked up at the window and the man wearing the white undershirt and the lovers who drew the blinds were watching me and then they weren't and they were -- and then they weren't and then they were -- and they they weren't and then -- finally i said, leaning forward pointing emphatically in the direction of the mailbox across the street on the corner: "Fuck it! If the police come -- I'll be pissed off!" But I felt gentle and then I got afraid and I walked two times around the fountain and I watched the branches full of green leaves double in the still water the light around -- and I walked away from that place to tell you about it but you weren't there and then you came and you were. David Franks -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Sun Jan 17 11:40:55 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:40:55 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Apparently the answer is to act more like men: http://bit.ly/7aoplv I'm staying far, far, far, far away from this conversation, but the link was sent this morning and seemed apropos. c On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > amy king wrote: > > Bob, you're right to a certain degree - The numbers have, I'm sure, > increased, but this may be tokenism that won't amount to much down the road. > > I'm sure a lot of it is tokenism.? But create enough tokens and they'll > eventually be more and more able to compete against the entrenched > establishment.? If they want to.? I think one thing you're getting at is > that > women, for some reason, may not want to become distinguished professors, > wrongly or rightly.? You'd certainly think they'd be doing better now that > female college students outnumber men. > > Fascinatingly complex question I wish I had more than two or three cents to > throw at it. > > --Bob > > Someone on another list just sent her Maryland link: > http://www.faculty.umd.edu/FacAwards/duplist.html A quick count of the > current distinguished profs, excluding a few (about five -- couldn't > determine gender), 27 men and 4 women. > > I think the momentum of the Women's Movement, Civil Rights movement, GLBT > movement, etc has stalled, and "progress" is construed by the younger > generations as *here* rather than something to work for... I mean, I can > dress as I like now, right? Have sex with whomever I choose, etc. Me, > myself and I, personal choices = a form of "liberated", but what about the > structures I move within? What do they demand of me and expect? How am I > viewed? Rewarded? Helped? Punished? etc. These questions aren't in my > younger students' consciousness so much... > > I'm reading a book by Nina Power, "One Dimensional Woman", in which the > author attempts to address why the term "feminist" has become so > watered-down: > > One Dimensional Woman by Nina Power is a small book - just over 100 pages > but it makes some very interesting points about women today. Why do the few > so-called feminist books aimed at younger women concentrate on personal > improvement rather than changing society? Why has the consumer society had > such a huge effect on women to the extent they must have the latest designer > handbag, plastic surgery their own flat and a man - probably in that order? > Why do women objectify their own bodies even though women have spent decades > complaining about men doing just that? > http://jillysheep.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-dimensional-woman.html > > >From O Books - http://www.o-books.com/obookssite/book/detail/354 > > And of course, this attitude is all systemic, reaching up to the grand > echelons of academia - who is "distinguished", who can attract students, > make money for the school/business, as suggested. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Grumman > > > > > > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is > important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough > for there to be as many old female academics around as old male academics. > I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would > find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even > though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. Affirmative > action has long been more important than the old boy network. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sun Jan 17 12:16:46 2010 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b1001170916v456494fcg31d29504d9530ec3@mail.gmail.com> HA! Excellent opinion piece by Clay Shirky. Thanks, Chris. I left a comment to the piece----which of course you will enjoy. Power Judy 2010/1/17 Chris Lott > Apparently the answer is to act more like men: > http://bit.ly/7aoplv > > I'm staying far, far, far, far away from this conversation, but the > link was sent this morning and seemed apropos. > > c > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 00:38:39 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:38:39 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> Visual Poetry with our Emeritus Bob Grumman: http://issuu.com/dylan_k/docs/visual-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 00:47:40 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:47:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Way to stay away, Chris! Let's see: "It?s not that women will be better off being con artists; a lot of con artists aren?t better off being con artists either. It?s just that until women have role models who are willing to risk incarceration to get ahead, they?ll miss out on channelling smaller amounts of self-promoting con artistry to get what they want, and if they can?t do that, they?ll get less of what they want than they want. There is no upper limit to the risks men are willing to take in order to succeed, and if there is an upper limit for women, they will succeed less. They will also end up in jail less, but I don?t think we get the rewards without the risks." Clay Shirky's got points but this is not a good one. It's the equivalent of noting that young men engage in risky behavior (think driving, fighting, daredevil skateboarding, general hotdogging, etc), which often results in more male fatalities than women. What's the cost? In the suggestion above, one of consciousness. Morality. Empathy. I guess it's also why men are usually the ones who make and engage in war. Women are learning to imitate men and replicate the systems in place, but they suck. I've always thought that when women finally start killing on the ground, that might make a ripple in reports from the "front lines." We can't have the baby makers destroying babies too... Onward: "And it looks to me like women in general, and the women whose educations I am responsible for in particular, are often lousy at those kinds of behaviors, even when the situation calls for it. They aren?t just bad at behaving like arrogant self-aggrandizing jerks. They are bad at behaving like self-promoting narcissists, anti-social obsessives, or pompous blowhards, even a little bit, even temporarily, even when it would be in their best interests to do so. Whatever bad things you can say about those behaviors, you can?t say they are underrepresented among people who have changed the world. Now this is asking women to behave more like men, but so what? We ask people to cross gender lines all the time. We?re in the middle of a generations-long project to encourage men to be better listeners and more sensitive partners, to take more account of others? feelings and to let out our own feelings more. Similarly, I see colleges spending time and effort teaching women strategies for self-defense, including direct physical aggression. I sometimes wonder what would happen, though, if my college spent as much effort teaching women self-advancement as self-defense." Pretty shallow, v. limited view/advice on how to break into the old boys' network, for it is simply designed to keep women out, however self promoting and bold we may be. Just act like men? Ahem, women do self promote: welcome to the 21st century. But lots of safeguards are in place to eliminate the female competition, no matter how qualified she may be. Just look at the rhetoric around Hillary Clinton, whether you like her or not. She's either a bitch, unsexy, her appearance is always a consideration/point of critique, un-nurturing (recall when she deigned not to make chocolate chip cookies?), etc. Her character, possible sexual orientation, appearance, etc were as much as if not moreso a point of public debate than her politics. So actually, no, acting like a man doesn't work for women, no matter how perfectly we adopt the behaviors/attitudes - that's why it's called a patriarchy/old boy network/etc. by default, we can't win. But thanks for the encouragement, Clay. & Chris? More from Clay: "Some of the reason these strategies succeed is because we live in a world where women are discriminated against. However, even in an ideal future, self-promotion will be a skill that produces disproportionate rewards, and if skill at self-promotion remains disproportionately male, those rewards will as well. This isn?t because of oppression, it?s because of freedom." I loathe how Clay continues to characterize women as incapable/unable to self promote. Based on what? How many male versus female students ask him for recommendation letters? That's the premise he starts from. Pretty sucky logic. I have had more female students ask me over the years for letters - shall I then conclude that women do more self promoting? Or do more men ask male profs and vice versa? I can't believe I'm still reading this. I wonder how many men buy into Clay's applauding "male" behavior such as self promotion and expressing confidence...esp as the "way in" for women. He doesn't even bother to ask at what cost one should learn not to care... what do men sacrifice when they learn not to care, Clay? "In these circumstances, people who don?t raise their hands don?t get called on, and people who raise their hands timidly get called on less. Some of this is because assertive people get noticed more easily, but some of it is because raising your hand is itself a high-cost signal that you are willing to risk public failure in order to try something. " Ugh. Part of the diatribe explaining how the world works. I don't think Clay knows, nor do I have the energy to find the study, that in fact women excel more than men in college (undergrad women get higher gpas while men generally do a minimal amount of work to successfully graduate), but upon graduation, men historically -- through various connections and by the fact of being men -- enter into higher level jobs than their female counterparts with equivalent records. " The reporter looked at her work and wrote back saying ?Your work is indeed awesome, and I will write about it. I also have to tell you you are the only woman who suggested her own work. Men do that all the time, but women wait for someone else to recommend them.? My friend stopped waiting, and now her work is getting the attention it deserves." The presumption of this anecdote is that women aren't putting their work out there due to lack of confidence. How does Clay know that these women simply aren't conserving their energies and applying where they see other women's work supported? This similarly speaks to the ongoing question regarding why women poets don't submit to x or y journal - editor always states: women don't submit as much as men. Meanwhile, said editor, by default, recuses himself from soliciting work from women bc it's really our fault that we haven't sent to his journal and doesn't consider that women don't want to deal with the tired old attitudes that we keep keep keep on encountering, even as young men are inheriting, learning and perpetuation them now. Old boy network attitudes don't die off. So why would I send my work to journal X when I know journal Y will appreciate it? I see a variety of women's work in journal Y, ergo, I don't want to deal with journal editor Y when he wants to chop out the "too soft" or "feminine" parts of my article/poem/painting/etc or he prefers to see more that has the qualities he favors, primarily because he isn't accustomed to women's poetics/content/doesn't appreciate/wants more Bukowski pussy poems, etc. By the way, there are some Bukowski poems I really love. More on that debate here: http://www.h-ngm-n.com/th_-gallo_s/2009/8/12/8122009-sex-ratio.html The bigger question now, for me is, can Clay Shirkly become anymore condescending and presumptious about how we women aren't confident and don't self promote? Why yes, he can end with a bang: "Now I don?t know what to do about this problem. (The essence of a rant, in fact, is that the ranter has no idea how to fix the thing being ranted about.) What I do know is this: it would be good if more women see interesting opportunities that they might not be qualified for, opportunities which they might in fact fuck up if they try to take them on, and then try to take them on. It would be good if more women got in the habit of raising their hands and saying ?I can do that. Sign me up. My work is awesome,? no matter how many people that behavior upsets." Why, thanks big Clay for the advice you've given us meek little ladies ... if we could actually just take risks and put ourselves out there for jobs that we aren't qualified for we might rise into the upper echelons and become distinguished professors! Yeah, thanks for perpetuating some tired old stereotypes about "the ladies." Except, um, women do take risks everyday and apply for jobs that typically and traditionally are supposed to be filled by men (esp positions of authority/power), knowing that if we do get in, we won't rise in the ranks as we should, we'll have to prove ourselves that much more and even that will be insufficient, we won't get equivalent raises, we'll be treated quite differently (and not in a nice way) than our male peers, we'll be the ones who are expected to work less hours once the family really gets popping, we'll risk our positions to do so as males typically don't volunteer to be often at home w the kids, etc. If you can dare say women don't take risks and we should just "act like men" to fix things, then you really don't understand the positions of women and the crap we have to put up with daily just by the very default of being women. For those who do dare try to understand and consider further, give this account a go: Laura Hinton's experience: http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1001&L=POETICS&T=0&F=&S=&X=01106C389BD04790B9&Y=poetics.list%40gmail.com&P=114905 A similar take on Clay's, but slightly more practical than the directives "self promote" "be daring" "don't care" etc -- http://community.pinkmagazine.com/blogs/wolf/archive/2009/02/18/success-tip-for-women-apply-for-membership-in-the-good-old-boy-network-today.aspx Or start your own old boys' network, but change the terms: http://www.womensenews.org/story/business/020226/mentoring-program-trumps-old-boy-network Dig it - http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/benefits-male.html And I like the last one best of all: 24. You don't need to think about gender and sexism everyday. You can decide when and where you deal with it. Same thing, with exercises (for teachers): http://www.paulkivel.com/resources/benefitsofbeingmale.pdf Yawn. Too tired to read the comments but hopefully someone gave it to Clay straight up. Will read them tomorrow. Feebly & humbly/meekly/weakly/with a whimper, Amy _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Lott To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 11:40:55 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York Apparently the answer is to act more like men: http://bit.ly/7aoplv I'm staying far, far, far, far away from this conversation, but the link was sent this morning and seemed apropos. c On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > amy king wrote: > > Bob, you're right to a certain degree - The numbers have, I'm sure, > increased, but this may be tokenism that won't amount to much down the road. > > I'm sure a lot of it is tokenism. But create enough tokens and they'll > eventually be more and more able to compete against the entrenched > establishment. If they want to. I think one thing you're getting at is > that > women, for some reason, may not want to become distinguished professors, > wrongly or rightly. You'd certainly think they'd be doing better now that > female college students outnumber men. > > Fascinatingly complex question I wish I had more than two or three cents to > throw at it. > > --Bob > > Someone on another list just sent her Maryland link: > http://www.faculty.umd.edu/FacAwards/duplist.html A quick count of the > current distinguished profs, excluding a few (about five -- couldn't > determine gender), 27 men and 4 women. > > I think the momentum of the Women's Movement, Civil Rights movement, GLBT > movement, etc has stalled, and "progress" is construed by the younger > generations as *here* rather than something to work for... I mean, I can > dress as I like now, right? Have sex with whomever I choose, etc. Me, > myself and I, personal choices = a form of "liberated", but what about the > structures I move within? What do they demand of me and expect? How am I > viewed? Rewarded? Helped? Punished? etc. These questions aren't in my > younger students' consciousness so much... > > I'm reading a book by Nina Power, "One Dimensional Woman", in which the > author attempts to address why the term "feminist" has become so > watered-down: > > One Dimensional Woman by Nina Power is a small book - just over 100 pages > but it makes some very interesting points about women today. Why do the few > so-called feminist books aimed at younger women concentrate on personal > improvement rather than changing society? Why has the consumer society had > such a huge effect on women to the extent they must have the latest designer > handbag, plastic surgery their own flat and a man - probably in that order? > Why do women objectify their own bodies even though women have spent decades > complaining about men doing just that? > http://jillysheep.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-dimensional-woman.html > > >From O Books - http://www.o-books.com/obookssite/book/detail/354 > > And of course, this attitude is all systemic, reaching up to the grand > echelons of academia - who is "distinguished", who can attract students, > make money for the school/business, as suggested. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Grumman > > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is > important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough > for there to be as many old female academics around as old male academics. > I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would > find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even > though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. Affirmative > action has long been more important than the old boy network. > > --Bob > > > From uche at ogbuji.net Mon Jan 18 02:36:44 2010 From: uche at ogbuji.net (Uche Ogbuji) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:36:44 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM, amy king wrote: > Dig it - http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/benefits-male.html ?And I like the last one best of all: ?24. ?You don't need to think about gender and sexism everyday. You can decide when and where you deal with it. I'll just comment on this one, which I've heard a lot among ostensible champions of diversity (who so rarely merit the title). I think it's extremely insidious, and anti-humane. By this standard everyone in the world is "privileged" because none of us have to think every day about every other form of bigotry that exists all over the world. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:04:29 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (anny.ballardini at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:04:29 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] SPIEGEL ONLINE - The Curse of Gorleben: Germany's Endless Search for a Nuclear Waste Dump Message-ID: <201001181204.o0IC4TGO023241@lnxp-1275.ftu.mediaways.net> This article has been sent to you by anny.ballardini at gmail.com Please note: SPIEGEL ONLINE did not verify the identity of the sender. SPIEGEL ONLINE, 01/15/2010 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Curse of Gorleben: Germany's Endless Search for a Nuclear Waste Dump --------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany has been looking for a permanent storage site for its nuclear waste for over 30 years. The history of the Gorleben salt dome, a potential nuclear repository, is one full of deception and political maneuvering. And if opponents to the plans have their way, the search might even have to start again from scratch. 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At winter stations, a locomotive can freeze to the rails, and a mountain night turn so cold it makes the rails snap. Some trains in heavy snow overtake a moose herd along a roadbed, then sweep a few cows into a ravine, or maybe a bull crossing a trestle will go on through, catching his legs between the ties. I've seen icebergs melting in a Newfoundland cove, their fresh water icing to a clear glaze. I've heard of sister ships passing at sea, on their last crossing, while on deck a few passengers wave. Tapestries in smoking rooms, shipboard mysteries. There is so much tonnage to our lives, as if civility required an enormous effort, if only for a little sweetness, a little wine. Hope's the pure country I was born to, where trains run on schedule in their periodic and beneficent sadness. I want to forget the casual insults that often pass for humor, and imagine the letters lovers might write, or the letters friends send every winter as their sentences cross the distance of the page. Their words are like a train arriving in Los Angeles while another train approaches the desert, and still another leaves the Chicago yards. Tonight I want to lie in my bed and listen to trains moving across America toward a place still humanly possible, desirable if difficult, a day's journey away. -from Trains in Winter (purchase @ Amazon.com) Jay Meek, poetry professor at University of N. Dakota The Minneapolis man was a "solid and gifted" poet who had been awarded many honors for his work. By Ben Cohen, Star Tribune, November 30, 2007 Services will be held Sunday for Jay Meek of Minneapolis, a poet and longtime poetry professor at Grand Forks' University of North Dakota. Meek, who over the years regularly recited his work at Twin Cities literary venues, died on Nov. 3 in St. Paul of Alzheimer's disease. The Traverse City, Mich., native was 70. "It was quiet, exquisitely tender poetry," said his daughter, Anna George Meek, of Minneapolis. In December 2005, he was invited by the nation's poet laureate to recite and discuss his poetry at the National Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. Among his many honors are a Guggenheim Fellowship, the Pushcart Prize and a Bush Foundation Artist Fellowship. Meek is the author of eight books of poetry: Trains in Winter, Memphis Letters, Headlands, Windows, After the Storm, The Week the Dirigible Came, Stations, Earthly Purposes, and Drawing on the Walls. He holds a bachelor's degree in English from Ann Arbor's University of Michigan, 1959, and a master's degree in creative writing from New York's Syracuse University, 1963. Meek served as a visiting professor at many colleges, such as Cambridge's Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y, and Macalester College in St. Paul. He taught at the University of North Dakota from 1984 until his retirement in 2004. William Stobb, a former student from North Dakota who now teaches creative writing at Viterbo University in LaCrosse, Wis., said Meek "was always to the point and gentle."He was always focused on you working with him," Stobb said. "And he was just calmly intelligent in the way that he taught." Michael Dennis Browne, poet and English professor at the University of Minnesota, said Meek was probably an under-acknowledged poet. "He was a solid and gifted artist, and a real presence in the northern Plains," said Browne. Both his daughter and his wife, Martha, of Minneapolis are poets. "His poetry was deeply lyrical, deeply spiritual," said his wife of 41 years. "His basic value was consciousness, and his poetry is an exploration of consciousness." In addition to his wife and daughter, he is survived by one granddaughter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:42:09 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:42:09 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem of the Week- Jay Meek In-Reply-To: <8CC667164DA4EA7-3E0-2618B@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100117144921.16530@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> <8CC667164DA4EA7-3E0-2618B@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001180842o2cf52b53xed878022549f9ebc@mail.gmail.com> I love the poem. Sorry for his death that took place 3 years ago. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:21 PM, wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: PoemoftheWeek at poemoftheweek.org < > andrewmcfadyenketchum at poemoftheweek.org> > To: andrewmcfadyenketchum at poemoftheweek.org > Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:49 pm > Subject: Poem of the Week- Jay Meek > > *Poem of the Week** 01-16-2010** * > > * * > *Jay Meek* > > Kristin > Trains in Winter > > Over first coffee, I ride the diner and look out at snow fallen deep > in gorges. At winter stations, a locomotive can freeze to the rails, and a > mountain night turn so cold it makes the rails snap. Some trains in heavy > snow overtake a moose herd along a roadbed, then sweep a few cows into a > ravine, or maybe a bull crossing a trestle will go on through, catching his > legs between the ties. I've seen icebergs melting in a Newfoundland cove, > their fresh water icing to a clear glaze. I've heard of sister ships > passing at sea, on their last crossing, while on deck a few passengers > wave. Tapestries in smoking rooms, shipboard mysteries. There is so much > tonnage to our lives, as if civility required an enormous effort, if only > for a little sweetness, a little wine. > Hope's the pure country I was born to, where trains run on schedule in > their periodic and beneficent sadness. I want to forget the casual insults > that often pass for humor, and imagine the letters lovers might write, or > the letters friends send every winter as their sentences cross the distance > of the page. Their words are like a train arriving in Los Angeles while > another train approaches the desert, and still another leaves the Chicago > yards. Tonight I want to lie in my bed and listen to trains moving across > America toward a place still humanly possible, desirable if difficult, a > day's journey away. > > * -from Trains in Winter *(purchase @ Amazon.com) > > *Jay Meek, poetry professor at University of N. Dakota* > The Minneapolis man was a "solid and gifted" poet who had been awarded many > honors for his work. > *By Ben Cohen,* Star Tribune, November 30, 2007 > > Services will be held Sunday for Jay Meek of Minneapolis, a poet and > longtime poetry professor at Grand Forks' University of North Dakota. Meek, > who over the years regularly recited his work at Twin Cities literary > venues, died on Nov. 3 in St. Paul of Alzheimer's disease. The Traverse > City, Mich., native was 70. > "It was quiet, exquisitely tender poetry," said his daughter, Anna George > Meek, of Minneapolis. > In December 2005, he was invited by the nation's poet laureate to recite > and discuss his poetry at the National Library of Congress in Washington, > D.C. Among his many honors are a Guggenheim Fellowship, the Pushcart Prize > and a Bush Foundation Artist Fellowship. Meek is the author of eight books > of poetry: *Trains in Winter, > Memphis Letters, > Headlands, > Windows, > After the Storm, > The Week the Dirigible Came, > Stations, > Earthly Purposes, > *and* **Drawing on the Walls > **. * > He holds a bachelor's degree in English from Ann Arbor's University of > Michigan, 1959, and a master's degree in creative writing from New York's > Syracuse University, 1963. Meek served as a visiting professor at many > colleges, such as Cambridge's Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sarah > Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y, and Macalester College in St. Paul. He > taught at the University of North Dakota from 1984 until his retirement in > 2004. > William Stobb, a former student from North Dakota who now teaches creative > writing at Viterbo University in LaCrosse, Wis., said Meek "was always to > the point and gentle."He was always focused on you working with him," Stobb > said. "And he was just calmly intelligent in the way that he taught." > Michael Dennis Browne, poet and English professor at the University of > Minnesota, said Meek was probably an under-acknowledged poet. > "He was a solid and gifted artist, and a real presence in the northern > Plains," said Browne. > Both his daughter and his wife, Martha, of Minneapolis are poets. 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It?s just that until > women have role models who are willing to risk incarceration to get ahead, > they?ll miss out on channelling smaller amounts of self-promoting con > artistry to get what they want, and if they can?t do that, they?ll get less > of what they want than they want. > There is no upper limit to the risks men are willing to take in order to > succeed, and if there is an upper limit for women, they will succeed less. > They will also end up in jail less, but I don?t think we get the rewards > without the risks." > > Clay Shirky's got points but this is not a good one. It's the equivalent > of noting that young men engage in risky behavior (think driving, fighting, > daredevil skateboarding, general hotdogging, etc), which often results in > more male fatalities than women. What's the cost? In the suggestion above, > one of consciousness. Morality. Empathy. I guess it's also why men are > usually the ones who make and engage in war. Women are learning to imitate > men and replicate the systems in place, but they suck. I've always thought > that when women finally start killing on the ground, that might make a > ripple in reports from the "front lines." We can't have the baby makers > destroying babies too... > > Onward: > > "And it looks to me like women in general, and the women whose educations I > am responsible for in particular, are often lousy at those kinds of > behaviors, even when the situation calls for it. They aren?t just bad at > behaving like arrogant self-aggrandizing jerks. They are bad at behaving > like self-promoting narcissists, anti-social obsessives, or pompous > blowhards, even a little bit, even temporarily, even when it would be in > their best interests to do so. Whatever bad things you can say about those > behaviors, you can?t say they are underrepresented among people who have > changed the world. > > Now this is asking women to behave more like men, but so what? We ask > people to cross gender lines all the time. We?re in the middle of a > generations-long project to encourage men to be better listeners and more > sensitive partners, to take more account of others? feelings and to let out > our own feelings more. Similarly, I see colleges spending time and effort > teaching women strategies for self-defense, including direct physical > aggression. I sometimes wonder what would happen, though, if my college > spent as much effort teaching women self-advancement as self-defense." > > > Pretty shallow, v. limited view/advice on how to break into the old boys' > network, for it is simply designed to keep women out, however self promoting > and bold we may be. Just act like men? Ahem, women do self promote: > welcome to the 21st century. But lots of safeguards are in place to > eliminate the female competition, no matter how qualified she may be. Just > look at the rhetoric around Hillary Clinton, whether you like her or not. > She's either a bitch, unsexy, her appearance is always a > consideration/point of critique, un-nurturing (recall when she deigned not > to make chocolate chip cookies?), etc. Her character, possible sexual > orientation, appearance, etc were as much as if not moreso a point of public > debate than her politics. So actually, no, acting like a man doesn't work > for women, no matter how perfectly we adopt the behaviors/attitudes - that's > why it's called a patriarchy/old boy network/etc. by default, we can't win. > But thanks for > the encouragement, Clay. & Chris? > > More from Clay: > > "Some of the reason these strategies succeed is because we live in a world > where women are discriminated against. However, even in an ideal future, > self-promotion will be a skill that produces disproportionate rewards, and > if skill at self-promotion remains disproportionately male, those rewards > will as well. This isn?t because of oppression, it?s because of freedom." > > I loathe how Clay continues to characterize women as incapable/unable to > self promote. Based on what? How many male versus female students ask him > for recommendation letters? That's the premise he starts from. Pretty > sucky logic. I have had more female students ask me over the years for > letters - shall I then conclude that women do more self promoting? Or do > more men ask male profs and vice versa? > > > I can't believe I'm still reading this. I wonder how many men buy into > Clay's applauding "male" behavior such as self promotion and expressing > confidence...esp as the "way in" for women. He doesn't even bother to ask > at what cost one should learn not to care... what do men sacrifice when they > learn not to care, Clay? > > "In these circumstances, people who don?t raise their hands don?t get > called on, and people who raise their hands timidly get called on less. Some > of this is because assertive people get noticed more easily, but some of it > is because raising your hand is itself a high-cost signal that you are > willing to risk public failure in order to try something. " > > > Ugh. Part of the diatribe explaining how the world works. I don't think > Clay knows, nor do I have the energy to find the study, that in fact women > excel more than men in college (undergrad women get higher gpas while men > generally do a minimal amount of work to successfully graduate), but upon > graduation, men historically -- through various connections and by the fact > of being men -- enter into higher level jobs than their female counterparts > with equivalent records. > > " The reporter looked at her work and wrote back saying ?Your work is > indeed awesome, and I will write about it. I also have to tell you you are > the only woman who suggested her own work. Men do that all the time, but > women wait for someone else to recommend them.? My friend stopped waiting, > and now her work is getting the attention it deserves." > > The presumption of this anecdote is that women aren't putting their work > out there due to lack of confidence. How does Clay know that these women > simply aren't conserving their energies and applying where they see other > women's work supported? This similarly speaks to the ongoing question > regarding why women poets don't submit to x or y journal - editor always > states: women don't submit as much as men. Meanwhile, said editor, by > default, recuses himself from soliciting work from women bc it's really our > fault that we haven't sent to his journal and doesn't consider that women > don't want to deal with the tired old attitudes that we keep keep keep on > encountering, even as young men are inheriting, learning and perpetuation > them now. Old boy network attitudes don't die off. So why would I send my > work to journal X when I know journal Y will appreciate it? I see a variety > of women's work in journal Y, ergo, I don't want to deal with journal editor > Y > when he wants to chop out the "too soft" or "feminine" parts of my > article/poem/painting/etc or he prefers to see more that has the qualities > he favors, primarily because he isn't accustomed to women's > poetics/content/doesn't appreciate/wants more Bukowski pussy poems, etc. By > the way, there are some Bukowski poems I really love. More on that debate > here: http://www.h-ngm-n.com/th_-gallo_s/2009/8/12/8122009-sex-ratio.html > > > The bigger question now, for me is, can Clay Shirkly become anymore > condescending and presumptious about how we women aren't confident and don't > self promote? Why yes, he can end with a bang: > > "Now I don?t know what to do about this problem. (The essence of a rant, in > fact, is that the ranter has no idea how to fix the thing being ranted > about.) What I do know is this: it would be good if more women see > interesting opportunities that they might not be qualified for, > opportunities which they might in fact fuck up if they try to take them on, > and then try to take them on. It would be good if more women got in the > habit of raising their hands and saying ?I can do that. Sign me up. My work > is awesome,? no matter how many people that behavior upsets." > > Why, thanks big Clay for the advice you've given us meek little ladies ... > if we could actually just take risks and put ourselves out there for jobs > that we aren't qualified for we might rise into the upper echelons and > become distinguished professors! Yeah, thanks for perpetuating some tired > old stereotypes about "the ladies." Except, um, women do take risks > everyday and apply for jobs that typically and traditionally are supposed to > be filled by men (esp positions of authority/power), knowing that if we do > get in, we won't rise in the ranks as we should, we'll have to prove > ourselves that much more and even that will be insufficient, we won't get > equivalent raises, we'll be treated quite differently (and not in a nice > way) than our male peers, we'll be the ones who are expected to work less > hours once the family really gets popping, we'll risk our positions to do so > as males typically don't volunteer to be often at home w the kids, etc. If > you can > dare say women don't take risks and we should just "act like men" to fix > things, then you really don't understand the positions of women and the crap > we have to put up with daily just by the very default of being women. > > For those who do dare try to understand and consider further, give this > account a go: > > Laura Hinton's experience: > > http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1001&L=POETICS&T=0&F=&S=&X=01106C389BD04790B9&Y=poetics.list%40gmail.com&P=114905 > > A similar take on Clay's, but slightly more practical than the directives > "self promote" "be daring" "don't care" etc -- > > http://community.pinkmagazine.com/blogs/wolf/archive/2009/02/18/success-tip-for-women-apply-for-membership-in-the-good-old-boy-network-today.aspx > > Or start your own old boys' network, but change the terms: > > http://www.womensenews.org/story/business/020226/mentoring-program-trumps-old-boy-network > > Dig it - > http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/benefits-male.html And > I like the last one best of all: 24. You don't need to think about gender > and sexism everyday. You can decide when and where you deal with it. > > Same thing, with exercises (for teachers): > http://www.paulkivel.com/resources/benefitsofbeingmale.pdf > > > Yawn. Too tired to read the comments but hopefully someone gave it to Clay > straight up. Will read them tomorrow. > > Feebly & humbly/meekly/weakly/with a whimper, > > Amy > > > _______ > > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Lott > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 11:40:55 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors > -TheCity University of New York > > Apparently the answer is to act more like men: > http://bit.ly/7aoplv > > I'm staying far, far, far, far away from this conversation, but the > link was sent this morning and seemed apropos. > > c > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > amy king wrote: > > > > Bob, you're right to a certain degree - The numbers have, I'm sure, > > increased, but this may be tokenism that won't amount to much down the > road. > > > > I'm sure a lot of it is tokenism. But create enough tokens and they'll > > eventually be more and more able to compete against the entrenched > > establishment. If they want to. I think one thing you're getting at is > > that > > women, for some reason, may not want to become distinguished professors, > > wrongly or rightly. You'd certainly think they'd be doing better now > that > > female college students outnumber men. > > > > Fascinatingly complex question I wish I had more than two or three cents > to > > throw at it. > > > > --Bob > > > > Someone on another list just sent her Maryland link: > > http://www.faculty.umd.edu/FacAwards/duplist.html A quick count of the > > current distinguished profs, excluding a few (about five -- couldn't > > determine gender), 27 men and 4 women. > > > > I think the momentum of the Women's Movement, Civil Rights movement, GLBT > > movement, etc has stalled, and "progress" is construed by the younger > > generations as *here* rather than something to work for... I mean, I can > > dress as I like now, right? Have sex with whomever I choose, etc. Me, > > myself and I, personal choices = a form of "liberated", but what about > the > > structures I move within? What do they demand of me and expect? How am > I > > viewed? Rewarded? Helped? Punished? etc. These questions aren't in my > > younger students' consciousness so much... > > > > I'm reading a book by Nina Power, "One Dimensional Woman", in which the > > author attempts to address why the term "feminist" has become so > > watered-down: > > > > One Dimensional Woman by Nina Power is a small book - just over 100 pages > > but it makes some very interesting points about women today. Why do the > few > > so-called feminist books aimed at younger women concentrate on personal > > improvement rather than changing society? Why has the consumer society > had > > such a huge effect on women to the extent they must have the latest > designer > > handbag, plastic surgery their own flat and a man - probably in that > order? > > Why do women objectify their own bodies even though women have spent > decades > > complaining about men doing just that? > > http://jillysheep.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-dimensional-woman.html > > > > >From O Books - http://www.o-books.com/obookssite/book/detail/354 > > > > And of course, this attitude is all systemic, reaching up to the grand > > echelons of academia - who is "distinguished", who can attract students, > > make money for the school/business, as suggested. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Bob Grumman > > > > > I think being a mediocrity counts much more than being a male. Old is > > important, too, and females haven't been welcomed to academia long enough > > for there to be as many old female academics around as old male > academics. > > I also suggest you research previous such lists, Amy. I think you would > > find that every new lists has a greater proportion of females on it, even > > though (I suspect) males still outnumber females in academia. > Affirmative > > action has long been more important than the old boy network. > > > > --Bob > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Connie Voisine Associate Professor of English New Mexico State University cvoisine at nmsu.edu 575-646-2027 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 18 13:03:56 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:03:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary In-Reply-To: <8CC667339F0E0F6-3E0-2657F@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net><973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CC667339F0E0F6-3E0-2657F@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC667FBCB5AF76-3E0-27D94@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> More on founding of WILLA at SheWrites: http://www.shewrites.com/profiles/blogs/your-silence-will-not-protect?xg_source=activity -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:34 am Subject: [New-Poetry] WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary Poets Cate Marvin and Erin Belieu have started... WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary http://www.facebook.com/pages/WILLA-Women-in-Letters-and-Literary-Arts/198819246857?v=app_2347471856# _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 18 13:51:39 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:51:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Emeritus? What happened to Bob? I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an anthology published by a University. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jan 18 14:09:14 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:09:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> You've lost all credibility in my eyes. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Emeritus? What happened to Bob? > I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an > anthology published by a University. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:32:20 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:32:20 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> Message-ID: <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> _ _ | |------------| | .-'| | | |`-. .' | | | | `. .-' \ \ / / `-. .' _.| |--------| |._ `. / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ / `( | |________| | )' \ | \ .i------------i. / | | .-')/ \(`-. | \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // / `. `. 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What happened to Bob? >>> >> I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an >> anthology published by a University. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 18 14:44:21 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:44:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org><4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4B54BA15.3040904@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > You've lost all credibility in my eyes. Can't say I blame you, Mole, but--gee--I only screwed up that once! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 18 14:49:37 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com><4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net><4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B54BB51.1070600@nut-n-but.net> Mathematical, too--but, alas, I don't get it. Seriously, I /am/ intrigued by it. --Bob James Cervantes wrote: > > _ _ > | |------------| | > .-'| | | |`-. > .' | | | | `. > .-' \ \ / / `-. > .' _.| |--------| |._ `. > / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ > / `( | |________| | )' \ > | \ .i------------i. / | > | .-')/ \(`-. | > \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / > \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ > `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ > | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // > / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ > | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // > | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // > | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ > | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // > / `. `. (7) (8) .' .' \ \\ > / `. `-.______.-' .' \ // > / `-.________.-' \ __// > | |--' > |================================| > "--------------------------------" > > + > > E > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, TheOldMole > wrote: > > You've lost all credibility in my eyes. > > > Bob Grumman wrote: > > TheOldMole wrote: > > Emeritus? What happened to Bob? > > I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an > anthology published by a University. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 18 15:17:54 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:17:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Bias Against Women in Poetry In-Reply-To: <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo .com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B54C1F2.1080005@nut-n-but.net> From the margins of the margins I'm curious as to why the two most successful American poets by mainstream standards are black women, and the dominant poetry critic of the past fifty years a female. Seriously, all my adult life I've wondered what it is that most makes a person a socio-economic success in the arts. I know absolutely it is not gender or race or sexual preference. (Wait; I'm not sure about that last one.) And certainly not ability. (Not that I believe none of the 100 most socio-economically successful American poets have talent, but I do believe that no more than two or three of the hundred best American poets are in the most successful socio-economically group.) I really really really can't figure it out. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 15:26:24 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:26:24 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54BB51.1070600@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> <4B54BB51.1070600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001181226o678e71bdw31f833da7eede35@mail.gmail.com> I think it means, *keep in touch*? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Mathematical, too--but, alas, I don't get it. Seriously, I *am* > intrigued by it. > > --Bob > > James Cervantes wrote: > > > _ _ > | |------------| | > .-'| | | |`-. > .' | | | | `. > .-' \ \ / / `-. > .' _.| |--------| |._ `. > / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ > / `( | |________| | )' \ > | \ .i------------i. / | > | .-')/ \(`-. | > \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / > \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ > `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ > | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // > / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ > | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // > | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // > | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ > | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // > / `. `. (7) (8) .' .' \ \\ > / `. `-.______.-' .' \ // > / `-.________.-' \ __// > | |--' > |================================| > "--------------------------------" > > + > > E > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> You've lost all credibility in my eyes. >> >> >> Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> TheOldMole wrote: >>> >>>> Emeritus? What happened to Bob? >>>> >>> I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an >>> anthology published by a University. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Morgan From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:26 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual I think it means, keep in touch? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Mathematical, too--but, alas, I don't get it. Seriously, I am intrigued by it. --Bob James Cervantes wrote: _ _ | |------------| | .-'| | | |`-. .' | | | | `. .-' \ \ / / `-. .' _.| |--------| |._ `. / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ / `( | |________| | )' \ | \ .i------------i. / | | .-')/ \(`-. | \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // / `. `. 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URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jan 18 17:22:55 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:22:55 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B54BB51.1070600@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> <4B54BB51.1070600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Surely you get the obvious, rebus-style pun? c On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Mathematical, too--but, alas, I don't get it.? Seriously, I am > intrigued by it. > > --Bob > > James Cervantes wrote: > > > _ _ > | |------------| | > .-'| | | |`-. > .' | | | | `. > .-' \ \ / / `-. > .' _.| |--------| |._ `. > / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ > / `( | |________| | )' \ > | \ .i------------i. / | > | .-')/ \(`-. | > \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / > \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ > `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ > | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // > / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ > | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // > | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // > | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ > | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // > / `. `. (7) (8) .' .' \ \\ > / `. `-.______.-' .' \ // > / `-.________.-' \ __// > | |--' > |================================| > "--------------------------------" > > > > + > > > > E > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, TheOldMole wrote: >> >> You've lost all credibility in my eyes. >> >> Bob Grumman wrote: >>> >>> TheOldMole wrote: >>>> >>>> Emeritus? What happened to Bob? >>> >>> I got retired because I wrote one of the introductions to an >>> anthology published by a University. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 21:38:16 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:38:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary In-Reply-To: <8CC667FBCB5AF76-3E0-27D94@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net><973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CC667339F0E0F6-3E0-2657F@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> <8CC667FBCB5AF76-3E0-27D94@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <748436.71034.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for posting about WILLA, James - very kind. I'm part of WILLA; we will be holding our first public panel in March at the New School: Monday, March 1st, 2010 @ 7:00 p.m. The New School, Wollman Hall WILLA (Women in Letters and Literary Arts) will merge the creative and critical by presenting several brief readings along with a panel discussion on the state of women?s literature today. Participants, all of whom are integrally involved in the development of the organization, will include: poets Cate Marvin and Erin Belieu, co-directors of WILLA; poets Anne Townsend, Amy King, and Natalie Bryant Rizzieri; creative nonfiction writer Barrie Jean Borich; children?s authors Laurel Snyder and Kekla Magoon; and fiction writer Susan Steinberg. Poet Mark Bibbins will moderate. _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut-- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 1:03:56 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary More on founding of WILLA at SheWrites: http://www.shewrites.com/profiles/blogs/your-silence-will-not-protect?xg_source=activity -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:34 am Subject: [New-Poetry] WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary Poets Cate Marvin and Erin Belieu have started... WILLA: Women in Letters and Literary http://www.facebook.com/pages/WILLA-Women-in-Letters-and-Literary-Arts/198819246857?v=app_2347471856# _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 22:04:53 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:04:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I don't know about the "everyone is privileged" bit, but thinking about how we all might take advantage of invisible forms of privilege, yes, it does seem daunting and nearly impossible in scope, but does that really make such thinking not worthwhile? I mean, I'm white and I grew up in a racist culture - if I hadn't actually taken the time to think about what that means, where would I be today? I still try to think about, aloud in public forums, with friends, etc. about the privileges I enjoy that many of my non-white friends don't - so where does it get me? I'm not sure but I sleep better at night knowing I make efforts, even if sometimes I fail, even if I am misguided or feel ignorant despite those efforts, even if a person claims characterizes my efforts as shallow and insidious. Even thinking about my various positions of power is a luxury because I don't have to; I don't have to reject the advantages I get from being white, etc. I also don't do a whole lot in response to thinking about my position in the world as a citizen of a super-power, but I do act in relation to several of my other advantages (class, race, able-bodied). So is it stupid of me to take the time? I don't get the notion that such thinking is "anti-humane" - you'll certainly have to explain that one. Can it feel futile? Absolutely. Impossible and not worth it? Sometimes. But pointless? Insidious? I wish such considerations (i.e. thinking about what privileges I am afforded by default) were more "insidious" (i.e. pervasive) and that people engaged in such "pointless" behavior on a daily basis (i.e. thinking about how they move in the world, what luxuries they are afforded by the very skin and gender and class and religion and citizenship and able-bodyness they/we are dealt), but give up doing so based on the inane accusations below? Ahem. I'd like to tell you where to go .... how about trying on a JK Rowling speech on for size (http://harvardmagazine.com/commencement/the-fringe-benefits-failure-the-importance-imagination) or consider unpacking that invisible knapsack (http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/repatriation/index.cgi?noframes;read=33358) - oops, there's that nasty number 24 implied again, just for you! Yours, "Champion of Diversity" whatever the hell that means... ----- Original Message ---- From: Uche Ogbuji On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM, amy king wrote: > Dig it - http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/benefits-male.html And I like the last one best of all: 24. You don't need to think about gender and sexism everyday. You can decide when and where you deal with it. I'll just comment on this one, which I've heard a lot among ostensible champions of diversity (who so rarely merit the title). I think it's extremely insidious, and anti-humane. By this standard everyone in the world is "privileged" because none of us have to think every day about every other form of bigotry that exists all over the world. From uche at ogbuji.net Tue Jan 19 01:15:33 2010 From: uche at ogbuji.net (Uche Ogbuji) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:15:33 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, amy king wrote: > I don't know about the "everyone is privileged" bit I'm yet to see how any "101 theory" I've read can possibly lead to anything but that very absurdity. >, but thinking about how we all might take advantage of invisible forms of privilege, yes, it does seem daunting and nearly impossible in scope, but does that really make such thinking not worthwhile? ?I mean, I'm white and I grew up in a racist culture - if I hadn't actually taken the time to think about what that means, where would I be today? There is a huge leap from asking people to think of and consider the feelings of others to expecting them to engage in perpetual self-flagellation, which is exactly what "check your privilege" means. > I still try to think about, aloud in public forums, with friends, etc. about the privileges I enjoy that many of my non-white friends don't - so where does it get me? ? ?I'm not sure but I sleep better at night knowing I make efforts, even if sometimes I fail, even if I am misguided or feel ignorant despite those efforts, even if a person claims characterizes my efforts as shallow and insidious. I just find it sad that you should think racial consciousness should dominate your thinking. I also find myself embarrassed that something about myself (my skin color) I find completely irrelevant to how I would want to relate to you. Perhaps you think that reduces your likelihood of "oppressing" someone else of dark skin color, but the upshot is that I find myself lumped into a group with that other person whose relationship to you will always be completely different to mine. In other words, everything about the "privilege" movement *increase* rather than reduces in-versus-out-group dynamics, and that to my thinking is just another flavor of bigotry. > Even thinking about my various positions of power is a luxury because I don't have to; I don't have to reject the advantages I get from being white, etc. ?I also don't do a whole lot in response to thinking about my position in the world as a citizen of a super-power, but I do act in relation to several of my other advantages (class, race, able-bodied). ? So is it stupid of me to take the time? ?I don't get the notion that such thinking is "anti-humane" - you'll certainly have to explain that one. ?Can it feel futile? ?Absolutely. ?Impossible and not worth it? ?Sometimes. ?But pointless? ?Insidious? ?I wish such considerations (i.e. thinking about what privileges I am afforded by default) were more "insidious" (i.e. pervasive) and that people engaged in such "pointless" behavior on a daily basis (i.e. thinking about how they move in the world, what luxuries they are afforded by the very skin and gender and class and religion and citizenship and > ?able-bodyness they/we are dealt), but give up doing so based on the inane accusations below? ?Ahem. > > I'd like to tell you where to go .... how about trying on a JK Rowling speech on for size (http://harvardmagazine.com/commencement/the-fringe-benefits-failure-the-importance-imagination) or consider unpacking that invisible knapsack > ?(http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/repatriation/index.cgi?noframes;read=33358) - oops, there's that nasty number 24 implied again, just for you! > > Yours, > > "Champion of Diversity" whatever the hell that means... Much of this is screed and links to more screed. I really don't have the time for too much of the like. A lot of it seems to stem from my use of the term "anti-humane". Please do excuse me. I shouldn't have tied to mollify my meaning with euphemism. I should have said exactly what I mean: misanthropic. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From uche at ogbuji.net Tue Jan 19 01:18:41 2010 From: uche at ogbuji.net (Uche Ogbuji) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:18:41 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shouldn't reply so late. A couple of corrections and thence to bed... On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Uche Ogbuji wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, amy king wrote: > I just find it sad that you should think racial consciousness should > dominate your thinking. ?I also find myself embarrassed that something > about myself (my skin color) I find completely irrelevant to how I > would want to relate to you... ...should cause you so much self-doubt. > In other words, everything about the "privilege" movement *increase* "*increases*" > rather than reduces in-versus-out-group dynamics, and that to my > thinking is just another flavor of bigotry. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 19 06:15:21 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:15:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B559449.80505@opus40.org> http://chronicle.com/article/Female-Scientists-Do-More/63641/?sid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 19 09:16:29 2010 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:16:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frisky Moll Press Message-ID: <7db1d01b1001190616u38dac99m9b257ce8ba5e56f5@mail.gmail.com> I'm pleased to announce the launch of my Frisky Moll Press that features a video of our own Robin Hamilton reading his translations of Anacreon poem fragments. 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That is not "exactly" what 'check your privilege' means - that is your very nasty and narrow interpretation. If a call to analytical thinking and empathy are some perverted forms of "perpetual self flagellation" for you, then I feel very sorry for your worldview. "I just find it sad that you should think racial consciousness should dominate your thinking." It does not "dominate" -- though your characterizations are beginning to feel quite hostile. Asking people to be aware and to be sensitive to how they enjoy privileges in the world is not some monolithic call to engage in only one form of thinking forever, despite your efforts here to color the discussion as such. "I also find myself embarrassed that something about myself (my skin color) I find completely irrelevant to how I would want to relate to you. Perhaps you think that reduces your likelihood of 'oppressing' someone else of dark skin color, but the upshot is that I find myself lumped into a group with that other person whose relationship to you will always be completely different to mine." This is, again, such a simplistic reduction of the thinking and ensuing action that has created several civil rights movements that I can barely believe my waking eyes this morning. That you have reduced the discussion to how you and I would relate is grossly simplistic. Critiquing the way stereotypes and and ignorance of other's oppressions operate in the world is about how attitudes get perpetuated and behaviors reinforced and coming up with ways of stopping that perpetuation and the very real behaviors that certainly do oppress as well as lead to abuse and death, in some instances. "In other words, everything about the "privilege" movement *increase* rather than reduces in-versus-out-group dynamics, and that to my thinking is just another flavor of bigotry." What exactly are you talking about? Affirmative action? You seem to be determined to set up some vague camp ("privilege movement", huh?) to position yourself as the hero railing against. In reality, you are calling for an end to increased social awareness, critique, and action. If you and I now walk around unaware that power structures don't exist and operate based on class, race, gender etc, will that remedy discrimination and privilege? Good luck with that. By way of example (& since you've offered none except a string of insults, "screed" "misanthrope"), I'll give one. I want people to be aware that when they ask me to participate in their weddings, they are taking advantage of a civil right denied to me; then I'd love if the awareness extended to what it means to have the state sanction such a union and bestow a variety of privileges on that basis, etc. Do I then want these people's thoughts to be "dominated" to the point of "self flagellation"? Only in a masochistic world, Uche. Amy From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 19 09:46:04 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:46:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <00f801ca987e$08f3d820$1adb8860$@edu> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com><4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net><4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org><648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com><4B54B B51.1070600@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d71001181226o678e71bdw31f833da7eede35@mail.gmail.com> <00f801ca987e$08f3d820$1adb8860$@edu> Message-ID: <4B55C5AC.7050202@nut-n-but.net> Bill Morgan wrote: > > Isn't it just saying "Phone + E" or /Phony/? I have no opinion about > whom or what the poem might be calling phony. Seriously. > > > > Bill Morgan > You got it. I was too visual and scientific to get it: I saw the telephone as looking like the body of Ma Bell, and the e as "energy." 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Seriously, I am >> intrigued by it. >> >> --Bob >> >> James Cervantes wrote: >> >> >> _ _ >> | |------------| | >> .-'| | | |`-. >> .' | | | | `. >> .-' \ \ / / `-. >> .' _.| |--------| |._ `. >> / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ >> / `( | |________| | )' \ >> | \ .i------------i. / | >> | .-')/ \(`-. | >> \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / >> \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ >> `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ >> | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // >> / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ >> | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // >> | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // >> | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ >> | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // >> / `. `. (7) (8) .' .' \ \\ >> / `. `-.______.-' .' \ // >> / `-.________.-' \ __// >> | |--' >> |================================| >> "--------------------------------" >> >> >> >> + >> >> >> >> E The Mole thinks all visual poems are rebuses. Actually, almost no visual poem is a rebus. Hence, in analyzing something presented as a visual poem, one knowing anything about visual poetry may easily overlook the possibility that it is a rebus. I think I might have figured it out, anyway, if I'd really concentrated on it. On the other hand, I often fail to figure out poems others have no trouble with. I do manage to connect ot some that others can't, too. --Bob From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:28:59 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:28:59 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B55C871.6080006@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> <4B55C871.6080006@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> Just messin around, Bob, slant-wise off the emeritus Grumman bit. I get real emeritus mail, by the way, and always with a hand out for $$$, some of which I did send to Haiti via the Red Cross. - Jim On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Chris Lott wrote: > >> Surely you get the obvious, rebus-style pun? >> >> c >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> >> >>> Mathematical, too--but, alas, I don't get it. Seriously, I am >>> intrigued by it. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> James Cervantes wrote: >>> >>> >>> _ _ >>> | |------------| | >>> .-'| | | |`-. >>> .' | | | | `. >>> .-' \ \ / / `-. >>> .' _.| |--------| |._ `. >>> / -. .' | | | | `. .- \ >>> / `( | |________| | )' \ >>> | \ .i------------i. / | >>> | .-')/ \(`-. | >>> \ _.-'.-'/ ________ \`-.`-._ / >>> \.-'_.-' / .-' ______ `-. \ `-._`-./\ >>> `-' / .' .-' _ _`-. `. \ `-' \\ >>> | .' .' _ (3) (2) _`. `. | // >>> / / / (4) ___ (1)_\ \ \ \\ >>> | | | _ ,' `.==' `| | | // >>> | | | (5) | B.T.| (O) | | | // >>> | | | _ `.___.' _ | | | \\ >>> | \ \ (6) _ _ (9) / / | // >>> / `. `. (7) (8) .' .' \ \\ >>> / `. `-.______.-' .' \ // >>> / `-.________.-' \ __// >>> | |--' >>> |================================| >>> "--------------------------------" >>> >>> >>> >>> + >>> >>> >>> >>> E >>> >> The Mole thinks all visual poems are rebuses. Actually, almost no visual > poem is a rebus. Hence, in analyzing something presented as a visual poem, > one knowing anything about visual poetry may easily overlook the possibility > that it is a rebus. I think I might have figured it out, anyway, if I'd > really concentrated on it. On the other hand, I often fail to figure out > poems others have no trouble with. I do manage to connect ot some that > others can't, too. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:29:28 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:29:28 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B559449.80505@opus40.org> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B559449.80505@opus40.org> Message-ID: Interesting; allow professors to hire servants; sort of like the MLA survey, recommended solutions not really following from the problem. I wonder if it is different if the professors have "the big job" of the two career couple, or if their spouse has "the big job." Is it different with scientists and/or artists and where they do the bulk of their work? Do different professions reward those with more complete attention to detail, or ability to block out everything but the task at hand? But the "mental overhead" of family management: some men I know consider that the price women must pay for having any say at all. That's cultural. Then there are those who are able to ignore the fighting children or the dirty socks on the floor, and those who feel ashamed by that. That's not really cultural, although there are cultural expectations.... -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 14:37:28 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:37:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Amy. I'm in almost total agreeme3nt with you. One point of difference, as a male editor and a poet. >This similarly speaks to the ongoing question regarding why women >poets don't submit to x or y journal - editor always states: women >don't submit as much as men. Meanwhile, said editor, by default, >recuses himself from soliciting work from women bc it's really our >fault that we haven't sent to his journal and doesn't consider that >women don't want to deal with the tired old attitudes that we keep >keep keep on encountering, even as young men are inheriting, >learning and perpetuation them now. Old boy network attitudes don't >die off. So why would I send my work to journal X when I know >journal Y will appreciate it? I don't submit much work to journals. I do get asked for work by friends on occasion, but only by friends. I also occasionally solicit work from friends, both male and female. Beyond friendships, I never solicit work. Like most small press editors (and even the editors of what we think of as important journals), there's never time or staff to solicit work from anyone one hasn't encountered personally. It's unrealistic to expect otherwise. Best, Mark Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From uche at ogbuji.net Tue Jan 19 14:46:31 2010 From: uche at ogbuji.net (Uche Ogbuji) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:46:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY Distinguished Professors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <814959.11985.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net> <360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net> <973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <63507.5222.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <814959.11985.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:27 AM, amy king wrote: > I too am in a hurry (will be driving most of the day v shortly) but couldn't let this go without quick comment: I don't think there is much constructive to come from this, and it is quite indeed off topic, so I'll leave you to your thread. I do think it's illuminating that all the pejorative adjectives you've used: "nasty", "inane", "narrow", etc. are how I perceive the particular approach to diversity you defend. There's no likely meeting over such a chasm, and that's fair enough. -- Uche Ogbuji http://uche.ogbuji.net Founding Partner, Zepheira http://zepheira.com Linked-in profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ucheogbuji Articles: http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/publications/ TNB: http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/uogbuji/ Friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/uche Twitter: http://twitter.com/uogbuji http://www.google.com/profiles/uche.ogbuji From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 19 15:01:41 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com><4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net><4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org><648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com><4B55C871.6080006@nut-n-but.net> <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B560FA5.2040903@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > Just messin around, Bob, slant-wise off the emeritus Grumman bit. I knew that. Of course, Anny was speaking Italian, in which language "emeritus" means "demigod." > I get real emeritus mail, by the way, and always with a hand out for > $$$, some of which I did send to Haiti via the Red Cross. > > - Jim Ah, one advantage to being undistinguished--although a few requests for $$$ are deserved to be responded to. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 19 15:19:44 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:19:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY DistinguishedProfessors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo .com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net><973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail .sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5613E0.50407@nut-n-but.net> > >> This similarly speaks to the ongoing question regarding why women >> poets don't submit to x or y journal - editor always states: women >> don't submit as much as men. Meanwhile, said editor, by default, >> recuses himself from soliciting work from women bc it's really our >> fault that we haven't sent to his journal and doesn't consider that >> women don't want to deal with the tired old attitudes that we keep >> keep keep on encountering, even as young men are inheriting, learning >> and perpetuation them now. Old boy network attitudes don't die off. >> So why would I send my work to journal X when I know journal Y will >> appreciate it? Haw, I just realized that the ONLY time I ever got a poem into a publication edited by a woman was when a friend of mine guest-edited a section of one issue for her. This doesn't mean anything. I just thought it was comic. I refuse in advance to justify whatever I did that caused it. Phooey, I just remembered Anny! But she publishes EVERYbody! And I was thinking hard-copy publication. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 15:21:57 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:21:57 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <4B560FA5.2040903@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com> <4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net> <4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org> <648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com> <4B55C871.6080006@nut-n-but.net> <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> <4B560FA5.2040903@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001191221u1e9c54au920064d2e657bc5d@mail.gmail.com> Bob, you are starting again... :-) On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > James Cervantes wrote: > >> Just messin around, Bob, slant-wise off the emeritus Grumman bit. >> > I knew that. Of course, Anny was speaking Italian, in which language > "emeritus" means "demigod." > > I get real emeritus mail, by the way, and always with a hand out for $$$, >> some of which I did send to Haiti via the Red Cross. >> >> - Jim >> > Ah, one advantage to being undistinguished--although a few requests for > $$$ are deserved to be responded to. > > > --Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meanwhile, said editor, by default, recuses himself from >>> soliciting work from women bc it's really our fault that we haven't sent to >>> his journal and doesn't consider that women don't want to deal with the >>> tired old attitudes that we keep keep keep on encountering, even as young >>> men are inheriting, learning and perpetuation them now. Old boy network >>> attitudes don't die off. So why would I send my work to journal X when I >>> know journal Y will appreciate it? >>> >> Haw, I just realized that the ONLY time I ever got a poem into a > publication edited by a woman was when a friend of mine guest-edited a > section of one issue for her. > This doesn't mean anything. I just thought it was comic. I refuse in > advance to justify whatever I did that caused it. > > Phooey, I just remembered Anny! But she publishes EVERYbody! 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Enjoy! > > http://judithprince.com/home.html > > Best, > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 19 16:09:58 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:09:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNY DistinguishedProfessors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B5613E0.50407@nut-n-but.net> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo .com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net><973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail .sp1.yahoo.com> <4B5613E0.50407@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4B561FA6.6010804@opus40.org> Bob -- are you counting Anny Ballardini? But wow...I have no idea how many poems were accepted into publications according to gender of editor. This probably says something negative about my professionalism -- I should scout out editors the way the Jets' coaching staff is scouting Peyton Manning. I do know that in addition to Anny, I've had two female editors accept me for anthologies -- Jackie Sheeler for her cops and robbers anthology, and the Cancer Poetry Project. Oh, and Chick for a Day. Bob Grumman wrote: > >> >>> This similarly speaks to the ongoing question regarding why women >>> poets don't submit to x or y journal - editor always states: women >>> don't submit as much as men. Meanwhile, said editor, by default, >>> recuses himself from soliciting work from women bc it's really our >>> fault that we haven't sent to his journal and doesn't consider that >>> women don't want to deal with the tired old attitudes that we keep >>> keep keep on encountering, even as young men are inheriting, >>> learning and perpetuation them now. Old boy network attitudes don't >>> die off. So why would I send my work to journal X when I know >>> journal Y will appreciate it? > Haw, I just realized that the ONLY time I ever got a poem into a > publication edited by a woman was when a friend of mine guest-edited a > section of one issue for her. > This doesn't mean anything. I just thought it was comic. I refuse in > advance to justify whatever I did that caused it. > > Phooey, I just remembered Anny! But she publishes EVERYbody! And I > was thinking hard-copy publication. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 19 16:32:52 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:32:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual In-Reply-To: <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001172138r3d8bc3cby3607fef95d70c053@mail.gmail.com><4B54A11B.7060409@opus40.org> <4B54ADBB.80800@nut-n-but.net><4B54B1DA.9050803@opus40.org><648208b61001181132l599920c2k2327af2824215987@mail.gmail.com><4B55C871.6080006@nut-n-but.net> <648208b61001190928k7801209du107a70cb08e4cd20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B562503.7070201@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > Just messin around, Bob, slant-wise off the emeritus Grumman bit. I knew that. Of course, Anny was speaking Italian, in which language "emeritus" means "demigod." > I get real emeritus mail, by the way, and always with a hand out for > $$$, some of which I did send to Haiti via the Red Cross. > > - Jim Ah, one advantage to being undistinguished--although a few requests for $$$ deserved response. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 19 20:17:27 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:17:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT (Off Topic) - CUNYDistinguishedProfessors -TheCity University of New York In-Reply-To: <4B561FA6.6010804@opus40.org> References: <907736.51356.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B50903C.5010003@nut-n-but.net><360686.13502.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo .com><4B51F183.9050009@nut-n-but.net><973931.59236.qm@web83303.mail .sp1.yahoo.com> <4B5613E0.50407@nut-n-but.net> <4B561FA6.6010804@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4B5659A7.5040206@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Bob -- are you counting Anny Ballardini? But wow...I have no idea how > many poems were accepted into publications according to gender of > editor. This probably says something negative about my professionalism Nah, Mole--it just says you've had a lot more poems accepted than I have. But I don't keep track--I just for some reason realized I couldn't remember any magazine I'd had a poem in that was edited by a woman. Then I thought of Anny. After that of Mary Veazey, a very-missed friend who died recently, who actually solicited poems from me for her /Sticks/, a hard-copy magazine, and for her website.. And just now I realize that I have had stuff in publications Liz Was co-edited with mIEKAL aND. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to go for a hat trick, but I've run out of hilarious things to say. --Bob From bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 20 03:58:53 2010 From: bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:58:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Frisky Moll Press In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001191227o60c59aacx87481e71cdfa122e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b1001190616u38dac99m9b257ce8ba5e56f5@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d71001191227o60c59aacx87481e71cdfa122e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <624028.9772.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Yes, congratulations too for Judy, it really is a nicely turned presentation. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 20:27:17 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Frisky Moll Press Congratulations Judy, deserved and deserved, Anny On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Judy Prince wrote: I'm pleased to announce the launch of my Frisky Moll Press that features a video of our own Robin Hamilton reading his translations of Anacreon poem fragments. Enjoy! > > >http://judithprince.com/home.html > > >Best, > > >Judy >_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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May 21 Melissa Buzzeo, Todd Colby, Karyna McGlynn, Christie Ann Reynolds, Jared Stanley, Rachel Zolf June 25 James Bellflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor, Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short, Wendy Wisner See you Friday! Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? Stain of Poetry, http://stainofpoetry.com January 22 @ 7 p.m. ? Goodbye Blue Monday ? Bushwick, Brooklyn [Directions below] with Priscilla Becker?s first book of poems, Internal West, won The Paris Review book prize, and was published in 2003. Her poems have appeared in Fence, Open City, The Paris Review, Small Spiral Notebook, Boston Review, Passages North, Raritan, American Poetry Review, Verse, and The Swallow Anthology of New American Poets; her music reviews in The Nation and Filter magazine; her book reviews in The New York Sun; and her essays in Cabinet magazine and Open City. Her essays have also been anthologized by Soft Skull Press, Anchor Books, and Sarabande. She teaches poetry at Pratt Institute, Columbia University, and in her apartment. Her second book, Stories That Listen, is forthcoming from Four Way Books. ~ Laura Carter lives in Atlanta, Georgia, where she teaches at two local colleges and writes poetry. Her latest chapbook is The Terrarium of the Frame, with Grey Book Press, and her earlier two chapbooks are Situations, Ungovernable Press, and At the Pulse, Greying Ghost Press. She completed an MFA in poetry at Georgia State University in 2007 and has been living in the East Atlanta area since then. ~ Suzanne Frischkorn is the author of Lit Windowpane (2008) and Girl on a Bridge forthcoming in 2010, both from Main Street Rag Publishing. In addition she is the author of five chapbooks, most recently American Flamingo (2008). A 2009 Emerging Writers Fellow of The Writer?s Center, her honors also include the Aldrich Poetry Award, and an Artist Fellowship from the Connecticut Commission on Culture & Tourism. ~ Kate Greenstreet?s second book, The Last 4 Things, is new from Ahsahta Press and includes a DVD containing two short films. Ahsahta published Greenstreet?s case sensitive in 2006. She is also the author of three chapbooks, most recently This is why I hurt you (Lame House Press, 2008). Find her new work in current or forthcoming issues of jubilat, Fence, VOLT, the Denver Quarterly, Court Green, and other journals. ~ Becca Klaver was born and raised in Milwaukee and now lives in Brooklyn. She holds degrees from the University of Southern California and Columbia College Chicago, and in Fall 2009 began working on a PhD in Literatures in English at Rutgers University. A founding editor of the feminist poetry press Switchback Books, she is the author of the chapbook Inside a Red Corvette: A 90s Mix Tape. Kore Press will publish her first full-length collection of poems, LA Liminal, in March 2010. ~ D.W. Lichtenberg is the author of THE ANCIENT BOOK OF HIP, an exploration of the phenomenon of hip, released November 2009 and winner of the 2009 Michael Rubin Book Award, and SUMMER SHOWERS, a novel without a home. He is a writer, a filmmaker, a caffeine addict, an obsessive cleaner. He attended NYU where he obtained a BFA in Film. His credits include associate editor on feature film FIFTH FORM & camera operator on feature documentary FOOL IN A BUBBLE. He attends SFSU where he is working towards an MFA in Creative Writing. at Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 Broadway (corner of Dodworth St) Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave or J train to Kosciusko St ~ Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 20 14:46:42 2010 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:46:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frisky Moll Press In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001191227o60c59aacx87481e71cdfa122e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b1001190616u38dac99m9b257ce8ba5e56f5@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d71001191227o60c59aacx87481e71cdfa122e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b1001201146t51f926b3ife724e3b833cf7e@mail.gmail.com> Anny and David, I deeply appreciate your responses to Frisky Moll Press's launch; it really helps me in planning future 'events' for the site. All the best, Judy 2010/1/19 Anny Ballardini > Congratulations Judy, deserved and deserved, > Anny > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Judy Prince > wrote: > >> I'm pleased to announce the launch of my Frisky Moll Press that features a >> video of our own Robin Hamilton reading his translations of Anacreon poem >> fragments. Enjoy! >> >> http://judithprince.com/home.html >> >> Best, >> >> Judy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 20 14:57:44 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:57:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frisky Moll Press In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b1001201146t51f926b3ife724e3b833cf7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b1001190616u38dac99m9b257ce8ba5e56f5@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d71001191227o60c59aacx87481e71cdfa122e@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b1001201146t51f926b3ife724e3b833cf7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B576038.4000307@opus40.org> I think the site is spectacular, and the work is terrific too. Judy Prince wrote: > Anny and David, I deeply appreciate your responses to Frisky Moll > Press's launch; it really helps me in planning future 'events' for the > site. > > All the best, > > Judy > > 2010/1/19 Anny Ballardini > > > Congratulations Judy, deserved and deserved, > Anny > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Judy Prince > > wrote: > > I'm pleased to announce the launch of my Frisky Moll Press > that features a video of our own Robin Hamilton reading his > translations of Anacreon poem fragments. Enjoy! > > http://judithprince.com/home.html > > > Best, > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 20 18:27:30 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:27:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet in Exile Message-ID: <8CC683F4566AB11-4B8C-32E5@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/movies/20room.html Poet in Exile, Still Gripping His Memories Published: January 20, 2010 Late in ?A Room and a Half,? a rich, heady fictionalized biography of the exiled Russian poet Joseph Brodsky, the middle-aged Brodsky ruefully reflects in a voice-over about how children are in a desperate hurry to leave the nest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He started writing detailed and lyrical meditations on the ever-changing waters of the Severn estuary after his appointment by the university five years ago. The writer had spent a couple of years commuting from Bristol to his new workplace before moving to Penarth, where he and his wife Z?lie still live. He became fascinated by the River Severn and its different appearances from the two locations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All best wishes, Judy 2010/1/20 TheOldMole > I think the site is spectacular, and the work is terrific too. > > Judy Prince wrote: > >> Anny and David, I deeply appreciate your responses to Frisky Moll Press's >> launch; it really helps me in planning future 'events' for the site. >> All the best, >> >> Judy >> >> 2010/1/19 Anny Ballardini > anny.ballardini at gmail.com>> >> >> >> Congratulations Judy, deserved and deserved, >> Anny >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Judy Prince >> > > wrote: >> >> I'm pleased to announce the launch of my Frisky Moll Press >> that features a video of our own Robin Hamilton reading his >> translations of Anacreon poem fragments. Enjoy! >> >> http://judithprince.com/home.html >> >> >> Best, >> >> Judy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The committee annually reviews stamp suggestions from 50,000 Americans before recommending approximately 20 topics for the Postmaster General's approval. New members are internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and past chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts Dana Gioia of Washington, D.C. He will be joined by two international award-winning graphic designers Antonio Alcala of Alexandria, VA, and Eric Madsen of Minneapolis, MN. Lifelong stamp collector, philatelic writer, editor, researcher, exhibitor and lecturer John Hotchner, and patron of the arts and former second lady Joan Mondale will leave the committee. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 1:52 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/award-winning-poet-and-former-nea-chair-appointed-to-postmaster-generals-stamp-selection-committee-82263847.html Award-Winning Poet and Former NEA Chair Appointed to Postmaster General's Stamp Selection Committee WASHINGTON, Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- An internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and two renown designers join the committee that reviews topics and people to be honored and commemorated on U.S. postage stamps. Postmaster General John Potter today announced the retirement of two members of the Citizen's Stamp Advisory Committee and the addition of three new members. The committee annually reviews stamp suggestions from 50,000 Americans before recommending approximately 20 topics for the Postmaster General's approval. New members are internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and past chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts Dana Gioia of Washington, D.C. He will be joined by two international award-winning graphic designers Antonio Alcala of Alexandria, VA, and Eric Madsen of Minneapolis, MN. Lifelong stamp collector, philatelic writer, editor, researcher, exhibitor and lecturer John Hotchner, and patron of the arts and former second lady Joan Mondale will leave the committee. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 21 15:04:09 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:04:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General In-Reply-To: <8CC68EA4D399EF7-E7C-51DC@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC68E1F487E157-E7C-414C@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <8CC68EA4D399EF7-E7C-51DC@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC68EC07058657-E7C-5543@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Re new terminology, what about 'propago'? http://halfdrunkmuse.com/current/reviews/g_m_palmer.php That's a new one on me. (A good web design tip coming from that page: Don't use the word 'current' in conjunction with a date unless you're sure you will be updating frequently.) Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General Bob, this is your window of opportunity. You need to send a proposal to Dana Gioia for a new set of stamps featuring vizpo. I know you're already thinking of catchy tag like the 'vizpostage' series. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 1:52 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/award-winning-poet-and-former-nea-chair-appointed-to-postmaster-generals-stamp-selection-committee-82263847.html Award-Winning Poet and Former NEA Chair Appointed to Postmaster General's Stamp Selection Committee WASHINGTON, Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- An internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and two renown designers join the committee that reviews topics and people to be honored and commemorated on U.S. postage stamps. Postmaster General John Potter today announced the retirement of two members of the Citizen's Stamp Advisory Committee and the addition of three new members. The committee annually reviews stamp suggestions from 50,000 Americans before recommending approximately 20 topics for the Postmaster General's approval. New members are internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and past chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts Dana Gioia of Washington, D.C. He will be joined by two international award-winning graphic designers Antonio Alcala of Alexandria, VA, and Eric Madsen of Minneapolis, MN. Lifelong stamp collector, philatelic writer, editor, researcher, exhibitor and lecturer John Hotchner, and patron of the arts and former second lady Joan Mondale will leave the committee. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:06:51 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] book designer query Message-ID: <8CC68F4C97A3716-E7C-671F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> I was informed that my book designer has left the country for extended stay in the Peace Corp. Please backchannel suggested book designers you may have worked with or know of. Especially those who have done nice looking poetry books. I need someone who'll shepard process thru typesetting and cover design and pre-print file prep. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:22:24 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:22:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] book designer query In-Reply-To: <8CC68F4C97A3716-E7C-671F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC68F4C97A3716-E7C-671F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC68F6F5AB67BE-E7C-6BC2@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Reading my email reminds me that I'll need a new copy-editor too. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 4:06 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] book designer query I was informed that my book designer has left the country for extended stay in the Peace Corp. Please backchannel suggested book designers you may have worked with or know of. Especially those who have done nice looking poetry books. I need someone who'll shepard process thru typesetting and cover design and pre-print file prep. Finnegan _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 16:31:27 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:31:27 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General In-Reply-To: <8CC68EC07058657-E7C-5543@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC68E1F487E157-E7C-414C@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <8CC68EA4D399EF7-E7C-51DC@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <8CC68EC07058657-E7C-5543@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001211331w3336fc8dm784a3d6814963784@mail.gmail.com> Ah! I studied with Michael Palmer, we were both in the Ezra Pound course together. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:04 PM, wrote: > Re new terminology, what about 'propago'? > http://halfdrunkmuse.com/current/reviews/g_m_palmer.php > That's a new one on me. > (A good web design tip coming from that page: Don't use the word 'current' > in conjunction with a date unless you're sure you will be updating > frequently.) > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 2:51 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General > > Bob, this is your window of opportunity. You need to send a proposal to > Dana Gioia for a new set of stamps featuring vizpo. > I know you're already thinking of catchy tag like the 'vizpostage' series. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 1:52 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet & Postmaster General > > > > http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/award-winning-poet-and-former-nea-chair-appointed-to-postmaster-generals-stamp-selection-committee-82263847.html > Award-Winning Poet and Former NEA Chair Appointed to Postmaster General's > Stamp Selection Committee > WASHINGTON, Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- An internationally > acclaimed award-winning poet and two renown designers join the committee > that reviews topics and people to be honored and commemorated on U.S. > postage stamps. > > Postmaster General John Potter today announced the retirement of two > members of the Citizen's Stamp Advisory Committee and the addition of three > new members. The committee annually reviews stamp suggestions from 50,000 > Americans before recommending approximately 20 topics for the Postmaster > General's approval. > > New members are internationally acclaimed award-winning poet and past > chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts Dana Gioia of Washington, > D.C. He will be joined by two international award-winning graphic designers > Antonio Alcala of Alexandria, VA, and Eric > > Madsen of Minneapolis, MN. Lifelong stamp collector, philatelic writer, > editor, researcher, exhibitor and lecturer John Hotchner, and patron of the > arts and former second lady Joan Mondale will leave the committee. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:10:33 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:10:33 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] book designer query In-Reply-To: <8CC68F6F5AB67BE-E7C-6BC2@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC68F4C97A3716-E7C-671F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <8CC68F6F5AB67BE-E7C-6BC2@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001211410n422bebdcgf2f56c16cb816ace@mail.gmail.com> Don't worry James, you can always improve... On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:22 PM, wrote: > Reading my email reminds me that I'll need a new copy-editor too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 4:06 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] book designer query > > I was informed that my book designer has left the country for extended > stay in the Peace Corp. > Please backchannel suggested book designers you may have worked with or > know of. Especially > those who have done nice looking poetry books. I need someone who'll > shepard process thru > typesetting and cover design and pre-print file prep. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The film will focus on Ginsberg's early career, as James Franco (pictured, via) will play the young poet as he pens "Howl"--the epic poem that landed him in a famous courtroom battle over obscenity. Last year, we interviewed Jeffrey Friedman, the director of the new film. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 12:38:00 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:38:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] TONIGHT - Priscilla Becker, Laura Carter, Suzanne Frischkorn, Kate Greenstreet, Becca Klaver & Dan Lichtenberg Message-ID: <450803.42234.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Join us tonight, Friday, January 22nd @ 7 p.m. for our first reading of 2010 with Priscilla Becker, Laura Carter, Suzanne Frischkorn, Kate Greenstreet, Becca Klaver & Dan Lichtenberg at Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 Broadway (corner of Dodworth St) Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave or J train to Kosciusko St with Priscilla Becker?s first book of poems, Internal West, won The Paris Review book prize, and was published in 2003. Her poems have appeared in Fence, Open City, The Paris Review, Small Spiral Notebook, Boston Review, Passages North, Raritan, American Poetry Review, Verse, and The Swallow Anthology of New American Poets; her music reviews in The Nation and Filter magazine; her book reviews in The New York Sun; and her essays in Cabinet magazine and Open City. Her essays have also been anthologized by Soft Skull Press, Anchor Books, and Sarabande. She teaches poetry at Pratt Institute, Columbia University, and in her apartment. Her second book, Stories That Listen, is forthcoming from Four Way Books. ~ Laura Carter lives in Atlanta, Georgia, where she teaches at two local colleges and writes poetry. Her latest chapbook is The Terrarium of the Frame, with Grey Book Press, and her earlier two chapbooks are Situations, Ungovernable Press, and At the Pulse, Greying Ghost Press. She completed an MFA in poetry at Georgia State University in 2007 and has been living in the East Atlanta area since then. ~ Suzanne Frischkorn is the author of Lit Windowpane (2008) and Girl on a Bridge forthcoming in 2010, both from Main Street Rag Publishing. In addition she is the author of five chapbooks, most recently American Flamingo (2008). A 2009 Emerging Writers Fellow of The Writer?s Center, her honors also include the Aldrich Poetry Award, and an Artist Fellowship from the Connecticut Commission on Culture & Tourism. ~ Kate Greenstreet?s second book, The Last 4 Things, is new from Ahsahta Press and includes a DVD containing two short films. Ahsahta published Greenstreet?s case sensitive in 2006. She is also the author of three chapbooks, most recently This is why I hurt you (Lame House Press, 2008). Find her new work in current or forthcoming issues of jubilat, Fence, VOLT, the Denver Quarterly, Court Green, and other journals. ~ Becca Klaver was born and raised in Milwaukee and now lives in Brooklyn. She holds degrees from the University of Southern California and Columbia College Chicago, and in Fall 2009 began working on a PhD in Literatures in English at Rutgers University. A founding editor of the feminist poetry press Switchback Books, she is the author of the chapbook Inside a Red Corvette: A 90s Mix Tape. Kore Press will publish her first full-length collection of poems, LA Liminal, in March 2010. ~ D.W. Lichtenberg is the author of THE ANCIENT BOOK OF HIP, an exploration of the phenomenon of hip, released November 2009 and winner of the 2009 Michael Rubin Book Award, and SUMMER SHOWERS, a novel without a home. He is a writer, a filmmaker, a caffeine addict, an obsessive cleaner. He attended NYU where he obtained a BFA in Film. His credits include associate editor on feature film FIFTH FORM & camera operator on feature documentary FOOL IN A BUBBLE. He attends SFSU where he is working towards an MFA in Creative Writing. Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? Future readings this season: February 26 Jillian Brall, R. Erica Doyle, Adam Fieled, Steve Langan, Janaka Stucky, Mendi Obadike March 26 Jessica Bozek, Kate Braid, Melissa Broder, Jackie Clark, Cate Marvin, Brett Eugene Ralph April 30 Lesley Jenike & very special national poetry month secret superstar guests! May 21 Melissa Buzzeo, Todd Colby, Karyna McGlynn, Christie Ann Reynolds, Jared Stanley, Rachel Zolf June 25 James Bellflower, Claire Hero, Shelly Taylor, Matthew Thorburn, Kim Gek Lin Short, Wendy Wisner Enjoy, Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? Stain of Poetry, http://stainofpoetry.com _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 14:46:39 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:46:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] more on that 'women should be like men' blog Message-ID: <132059.13639.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2010/01/19/shirky_rant/print.html To print this page, select "Print" from the File menu of your browser ________________________________ A rant about socializationClay Shirky asks why a woman can't be more like a man. It's because she'll pay for it Kate HardingJan. 19, 2010 | I first learned of Clay Shirky's feminist blogger bait, "A Rant About Women" -- a surprisingly sympathetic lament that women hold themselves back from the opportunities and pay they deserve because they're "bad at behaving like self-promoting narcissists, anti-social obsessives, or pompous blowhards, even a little bit, even temporarily, even when it would be in their best interests to do so" -- from my own bosslady, Joan Walsh, on Twitter. In a three-part tweet, she wrote, "I kept trying to formulate an argument to disagree and I can't. I can think of a couple of women in our space who do exactly what he advises. But overall, he's right. I can count the number of women staffers who've asked me for more money on one hand. BUT: I have told women when they lowball themselves. I have offered more money. I hope @clayshirky is telling his women students this NOW." To which I replied, naturally, "@JoanWalsh Can I have more money?" Joan told me to shush (probably because she knows I already behave like a self-promoting narcissist in sincere negotiations, so there's nothing to worry about), but what she didn't do was call me a bitch, or a ballbuster, or criticize me for being selfish while laying on a guilt trip about how tight things are for everyone right now, or accuse me of not being a team player, etc. And that right there is where the argument against Clay Shirky's rant begins. He makes a lot of excellent points -- albeit ones that have been made before -- but every time he comes within striking distance of what is probably the single greatest reason why women don't advocate more fiercely for themselves at school and work, he fails to connect. For instance: "Part of this sorting out of careers is sexism, but part of it is that men are just better at being arrogant, and less concerned about people thinking we're stupid (often correctly, it should be noted) for trying things we're not qualified for." No, see both those parts are sexism, sir. Men are generally "better at being arrogant and less concerned" about other people's good opinions of them because they are socialized to do so, and it pays off for them. Women, meanwhile, are socialized to be self-sacrificing, submissive, and humble to a fault. When we deviate from that script, we're often punished for it. After working on a series of studies examining the relationship between gender and negotiation strategies, Harvard public policy professor Hannah Riley Bowles -- who I'd wager has heard approximately a bazillion versions of Shirky's argument in her time -- said, What we found across all the studies is men were always less willing to work with a woman who had attempted to negotiate than with a woman who did not. They always preferred to work with a woman who stayed mum. But it made no difference to the men whether a guy had chosen to negotiate or not... This isn't about fixing the women. It isn't about telling women, 'You need self-confidence or training.' They are responding to incentives within the social environment ... The point of this paper is: Yes, there is an economic rationale to negotiate, but you have to weigh that against social risks of negotiating. What we show is those risks are higher for women than for men. Now consider this statement by Shirky: "It's tempting to imagine that women could be forceful and self-confident without being arrogant or jerky, but that's a false hope, because it's other people who get to decide when they think you're a jerk, and trying to stay under that threshold means giving those people veto power over your actions." It's true that anyone who exhibits high self-esteem and a sense of entitlement -- healthy or not -- is at risk of being seen as a conceited turd, and sometimes, you have to gamble a lot to win a lot. But it's other people who get to decide when they think you're a jerk, and the research supports what most professional women already know intuitively: The jerk threshold is a hell of a lot lower for women. As Deanna Zandt, an expert in women and technology, put it, "Asking women to be more like men... falls on a spectrum of prescribing feminine behavior that is dangerous and unhealthy. We're putting the onus on women to fit themselves into a culture that doesn't value them enough to begin with. It sounds a lot like misguided sexual assault prevention tactics ('how not to get yourself raped!')" I agree very much with the basic premise there -- I'm awfully sick of mansplainers telling women what we're doing wrong instead of thinking for five minutes about the social forces that drive the behavior in question -- but I also think Bitch Ph.D.'s M. Leblanc is right to insist that we shouldn't accept the Mars vs. Venus framing of certain personality traits: "When did self-promotion, confidence, and even occasional arrogance become the exclusive domain of men? I believe that we can have a sea change in how women behave without it being a submission to the forces of patriarchy. And I firmly reject the notion that women are 'naturally' inclined to be more collaborative, less arrogant, and less self-promoting than men. Zandt doesn't say that, but it's running as a subtext through what she wrote." The fact that women are penalized for being assertive and confident, she writes, "doesn't mean that the solution is not do it. It means that women and men need to work together to change the culture, particularly the workplace culture, so that ambition and overt confidence aren't a liability for women. The more women who put themselves out there, the more common the behavior will be, the less remarkable." The key phrase there, though, is "men and women need to work together to change the culture" -- otherwise, just telling women to put themselves out there more, as Shirky's done, is asking them to risk serious social and professional penalties to get the same rewards as men. Even if it works for some of us, and that paves the way for others, any examination of the negotiation gap that concludes with, "Women really should act differently" willfully sidesteps the fundamental problem. Jezebel's Anna North pretty much nails it: "'The world sucks, change yourself' is a recipe for injustice," she writes. This "change-yourself-to-fit-in" advice has been given to pretty much every marginalized group over the years, and it sticks around because, for some individual people, it works. But those people still have to work within the existing power structure. The harpy/diva/bitch archetype isn't going to go away because a few women are allowed to sneak around it, and the culture of rewarding self-promotion above other qualities isn't going to become fair for everyone just because a few women manage to share the pie. Those who are marginalized by a system are often those best able to see its flaws, and teaching those people just to work around their marginalization is a great way to keep them quiet, and to keep anything from ever changing. Let's not fall for it. Let's not. But at the same time, let's not fall for the idea that women don't even have the capacity to be more arrogant as necessary. I think Shirky's heart is absolutely in the right place -- he wants to see his female students succeed just as much as the pushier male ones -- and his argument is not without merit. Sometimes, no matter how you've been socialized or what the risks are, your best bet is to tamp down the nervousness and sell yourself hard. I've trained myself over the years to self-promote and ask for more than I expect to get, as a direct result of learning that women generally don't negotiate nearly as aggressively as men; that is the kind of thing that makes me more likely to stand up for myself, out of sheer bloody-mindedness. So no it's not like I think Shirky's giving out bad advice here. But my willingness to use that strategy is largely about my stubborn, ambitious personality -- traits I know LeBlanc shares, and I'll go out on a limb and say Joan does, too -- so it's of limited value in the big picture; I want a better world for women who don't have a "screw you" streak a mile wide, too. Which means that telling the ladies to suck it up and affect a confidence they may or may not feel can only ever be part of the solution. The other part, the much greater part, involves recognizing what happens to women who "act like men" -- i.e., who act like they deserve respect, fair pay and acclaim for good work -- and calling it out until it stops. -- Kate Harding Copyright ?2010 Salon Media Group, Inc. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. SALON? is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon Media Group Inc. -- BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From rsillima at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 15:01:01 2010 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission In-Reply-To: <201001221700.o0MH04aM019217@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <52070.76035.qm@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Time to push for that Fluxus stamp, or at least Frank O'Hara. Ron From gejs1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Jan 22 15:07:01 2010 From: gejs1 at rochester.rr.com (Gerald Schwartz) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:07:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission In-Reply-To: <52070.76035.qm@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <52070.76035.qm@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5FD957AF091546FD899450AC44F4CD0F@KayPC> Time for Olson. And the Black Mountain School. Gerald s. > Time to push for that Fluxus stamp, or at least Frank O'Hara. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Jan 22 15:16:28 2010 From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:16:28 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission Message-ID: <10b92.78b6810a.388b619c@cs.com> In a message dated 1/22/2010 2:07:19 PM Central Standard Time, gejs1 at rochester.rr.com writes: > > Time for Olson. And the Black Mountain School. > > Gerald s. Thank god for self-adhesive stamps. I don't think I could bring myself to lick any of these. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think I could bring >myself to lick any of these. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 16:02:11 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:02:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?windows-1252?q?=93States_of_Emergency_=96_Interdi?= =?windows-1252?q?sciplinary_Perspectives_on_the_Dynamics_of_Crisis?= =?windows-1252?q?=94?= Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001221302j6c6efd26x5d14bced3b04bb50@mail.gmail.com> GSNAS 3rd International Conference: ?States of Emergency ? Interdisciplinary Perspectives on the Dynamics of Crisis? Call for Papers International Conference June 11 - 12, 2010, at John F. Kennedy Institute of the Freie Universit?t Ber- lin, organized by the Graduate School of North American Studies (GSNAS). The attacks on the World Trade Center and the ensuing War on Terror stand as images that mark the 21st century?s fall into a permanent state of emergency, manifest in the suspension of civil liberties, preemptive and irregular warfare, and a disregard for international law. As we now recognize, other precarious potentials such as financial speculation and climate change have long been gaining momentum, erupting into acute states of crisis in the recent past. The tumultuous beginning of the new century has heightened our sensitivity to exceptional states and emerging instabilities, questioning the applicability of established modes of control. States of emergency magnify pre-existing lines of conflict, shaping clear-cut enemy images. These may vary from Al-Qaeda to brokers on Wall Street or multinational enterprises, to name but a few. But times of crisis also demand new forms of agency for the emergence of new orders. If the US is indeed part of a world community, does a permanent state of emergenc(e)y become the new basis of governance and politics? The annual conference at the Graduate School of the John F. Kennedy Institute for North American Studies (GSNAS) of the Freie Universit?t Berlin is hosted by the graduate students. The third in a series of international conferences is designed to bring together leading scholars and top graduate students from around the world to discuss current issues in American Studies. Panels may include, but are not restricted to: - The crisis of representation and the representation of crisis - The 2008 economic crisis and the crisis of neoliberalism - Crisis as an organizational principle in international politics - Terror and responses to terror/ irregular warfare - Governmentality and Governance - Responses to mass migration - Climate change and natural disasters - Pandemics and transnational biopolitics - Crisis of Empire: The end of the American Century? - The history of crisis and the ?end of history? - Transnational American Studies: another crisis in American Studies? We invite scholars to submit abstracts of max. 500 words. Papers should include name, contact de- tails, institutional affiliation and research interests. The deadline for submissions is February 28, 2010. Please refer to our website for recent updates and further information: http://www.jfki.fu-berlin.de/graduateschool/en/conference/2010/index.html(starting January 2010). Proposals should be submitted by email to gsnas.conference2010 at gsnas.fu-berlin.de Ida Jahr PhD Fellow Graduate School of North American Studies Freie Universit?t Berlin -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Jan 22 16:54:31 2010 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:54:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission In-Reply-To: <10b92.78b6810a.388b619c@cs.com> Message-ID: POWER TO THE PEOPLE Why are the stamps adorned with kings and presidents? That we may lick their hinder parts and thump their heads. --Howard Nemerov, fr. *Gnomes & Occasions* --------------------------- On 1/22/10 2:16 PM, "rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/2010 2:07:19 PM Central Standard Time, > gejs1 at rochester.rr.com writes: >> >> Time for Olson. And the Black Mountain School. >> >> Gerald s. > > Thank god for self-adhesive stamps. I don't think I could bring myself to > lick any of these. > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Fri Jan 22 16:56:00 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:56:00 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] more on that 'women should be like men' blog In-Reply-To: <132059.13639.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <132059.13639.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One of the better responses I've read so far. c On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, amy king wrote: > > > > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2010/01/19/shirky_rant/print.html > > > > > To print this page, select "Print" from the File menu of your browser > ________________________________ > A rant about socializationClay Shirky asks why a woman can't be more like a man. It's because she'll pay for it > Kate HardingJan. 19, 2010 | > I first learned of Clay Shirky's feminist blogger bait, "A Rant About Women" -- a surprisingly sympathetic lament that women hold themselves back from the opportunities and pay they deserve because they're "bad at behaving like self-promoting narcissists, anti-social obsessives, or pompous blowhards, even a little bit, even temporarily, even when it would be in their best interests to do so" -- from my own bosslady, Joan Walsh, on Twitter. In a three-part tweet, she wrote, "I kept trying to formulate an argument to disagree and I can't. I can think of a couple of women in our space who do exactly what he advises. But overall, he's right. I can count the number of women staffers who've asked me for more money on one hand. BUT: I have told women when they lowball themselves. I have offered more money. I hope @clayshirky is telling his women students this NOW." > To which I replied, naturally, "@JoanWalsh Can I have more money?" > Joan told me to shush (probably because she knows I already behave like a self-promoting narcissist in sincere negotiations, so there's nothing to worry about), but what she didn't do was call me a bitch, or a ballbuster, or criticize me for being selfish while laying on a guilt trip about how tight things are for everyone right now, or accuse me of not being a team player, etc. And that right there is where the argument against Clay Shirky's rant begins. He makes a lot of excellent points -- albeit ones that have been made before -- but every time he comes within striking distance of what is probably the single greatest reason why women don't advocate more fiercely for themselves at school and work, he fails to connect. > For instance: "Part of this sorting out of careers is sexism, but part of it is that men are just better at being arrogant, and less concerned about people thinking we're stupid (often correctly, it should be noted) for trying things we're not qualified for." No, see both those parts are sexism, sir. Men are generally "better at being arrogant and less concerned" about other people's good opinions of them because they are socialized to do so, and it pays off for them. Women, meanwhile, are socialized to be self-sacrificing, submissive, and humble to a fault. When we deviate from that script, we're often punished for it. > After working on a series of studies examining the relationship between gender and negotiation strategies, Harvard public policy professor Hannah Riley Bowles -- who I'd wager has heard approximately a bazillion versions of Shirky's argument in her time -- said, > What we found across all the studies is men were always less willing to work with a woman who had attempted to negotiate than with a woman who did not. They always preferred to work with a woman who stayed mum. But it made no difference to the men whether a guy had chosen to negotiate or not... This isn't about fixing the women. It isn't about telling women, 'You need self-confidence or training.' They are responding to incentives within the social environment ... The point of this paper is: Yes, there is an economic rationale to negotiate, but you have to weigh that against social risks of negotiating. What we show is those risks are higher for women than for men. > Now consider this statement by Shirky: "It's tempting to imagine that women could be forceful and self-confident without being arrogant or jerky, but that's a false hope, because it's other people who get to decide when they think you're a jerk, and trying to stay under that threshold means giving those people veto power over your actions." It's true that anyone who exhibits high self-esteem and a sense of entitlement -- healthy or not -- is at risk of being seen as a conceited turd, and sometimes, you have to gamble a lot to win a lot. But it's other people who get to decide when they think you're a jerk, and the research supports what most professional women already know intuitively: The jerk threshold is a hell of a lot lower for women. As Deanna Zandt, an expert in women and technology, put it, "Asking women to be more like men... falls on a spectrum of prescribing feminine behavior that is dangerous and unhealthy. We're putting the onus on women to > ?fit themselves into a culture that doesn't value them enough to begin with. It sounds a lot like misguided sexual assault prevention tactics ('how not to get yourself raped!')" > I agree very much with the basic premise there -- I'm awfully sick of mansplainers telling women what we're doing wrong instead of thinking for five minutes about the social forces that drive the behavior in question -- but I also think Bitch Ph.D.'s M. Leblanc is right to insist that we shouldn't accept the Mars vs. Venus framing of certain personality traits: "When did self-promotion, confidence, and even occasional arrogance become the exclusive domain of men? I believe that we can have a sea change in how women behave without it being a submission to the forces of patriarchy. And I firmly reject the notion that women are 'naturally' inclined to be more collaborative, less arrogant, and less self-promoting than men. Zandt doesn't say that, but it's running as a subtext through what she wrote." The fact that women are penalized for being assertive and confident, she writes, "doesn't mean that the solution is not do it. It means that women and men need > ?to work together to change the culture, particularly the workplace culture, so that ambition and overt confidence aren't a liability for women. The more women who put themselves out there, the more common the behavior will be, the less remarkable." > The key phrase there, though, is "men and women need to work together to change the culture" -- otherwise, just telling women to put themselves out there more, as Shirky's done, is asking them to risk serious social and professional penalties to get the same rewards as men. Even if it works for some of us, and that paves the way for others, any examination of the negotiation gap that concludes with, "Women really should act differently" willfully sidesteps the fundamental problem. Jezebel's Anna North pretty much nails it: "'The world sucks, change yourself' is a recipe for injustice," she writes. > This "change-yourself-to-fit-in" advice has been given to pretty much every marginalized group over the years, and it sticks around because, for some individual people, it works. But those people still have to work within the existing power structure. The harpy/diva/bitch archetype isn't going to go away because a few women are allowed to sneak around it, and the culture of rewarding self-promotion above other qualities isn't going to become fair for everyone just because a few women manage to share the pie. Those who are marginalized by a system are often those best able to see its flaws, and teaching those people just to work around their marginalization is a great way to keep them quiet, and to keep anything from ever changing. Let's not fall for it. > Let's not. But at the same time, let's not fall for the idea that women don't even have the capacity to be more arrogant as necessary. I think Shirky's heart is absolutely in the right place -- he wants to see his female students succeed just as much as the pushier male ones -- and his argument is not without merit. Sometimes, no matter how you've been socialized or what the risks are, your best bet is to tamp down the nervousness and sell yourself hard. I've trained myself over the years to self-promote and ask for more than I expect to get, as a direct result of learning that women generally don't negotiate nearly as aggressively as men; that is the kind of thing that makes me more likely to stand up for myself, out of sheer bloody-mindedness. So no it's not like I think Shirky's giving out bad advice here. But my willingness to use that strategy is largely about my stubborn, ambitious personality -- traits I know LeBlanc shares, and I'll go out on a > ?limb and say Joan does, too -- so it's of limited value in the big picture; I want a better world for women who don't have a "screw you" streak a mile wide, too. Which means that telling the ladies to suck it up and affect a confidence they may or may not feel can only ever be part of the solution. The other part, the much greater part, involves recognizing what happens to women who "act like men" -- i.e., who act like they deserve respect, fair pay and acclaim for good work -- and calling it out until it stops. > > -- Kate Harding > Copyright ?2010 Salon Media Group, Inc. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. SALON? is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon Media Group Inc. > > > > -- > BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Jan 22 17:08:02 2010 From: rsgwynn1 at cs.com (rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:08:02 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission Message-ID: <147be.67e489b0.388b7bc2@cs.com> In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:55:15 PM Central Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > POWER TO THE PEOPLE > > Why are the stamps adorned with kings and presidents? > That we may lick their hinder parts and thump their heads. > > --Howard Nemerov, fr. *Gnomes &Occasions* This explains why the Richard Nixon stamp didn't sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 05:08 PM 1/22/2010, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:55:15 PM Central Standard Time, >grahamd at ripon.edu writes: >>POWER TO THE PEOPLE >> >>Why are the stamps adorned with kings and presidents? >>That we may lick their hinder parts and thump their heads. >> >>--Howard Nemerov, fr. *Gnomes &Occasions* > > >This explains why the Richard Nixon stamp didn't sell. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 22 17:30:34 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:30:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5A270A.7000808@nut-n-but.net> David Graham wrote: > POWER TO THE PEOPLE > > Why are the stamps adorned with kings and presidents? > That we may lick their hinder parts and thump their heads. > > --Howard Nemerov, fr. *Gnomes & Occasions* Better: so we may spit upon their rears and thump their heads. Who would want to lick the hinder part of a king or president? --Bob > --------------------------- > > > On 1/22/10 2:16 PM, "rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: > > In a message dated 1/22/2010 2:07:19 PM Central Standard Time, > gejs1 at rochester.rr.com writes: > > > Time for Olson. And the Black Mountain School. > > Gerald s. > > > Thank god for self-adhesive stamps. 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And the Black > Mountain School. > > Gerald s. > > > Time to push for that Fluxus stamp, or at least Frank > O'Hara. > > > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 17:41:00 2010 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:41:00 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BNew=2DPoetry=5D_=93States_of_Emergency_=96_Interdis?= =?windows-1252?Q?ciplinary_Perspectives_on_the_Dynamics_of_Crisis=94?= In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001221302j6c6efd26x5d14bced3b04bb50@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001221302j6c6efd26x5d14bced3b04bb50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b61001221441h70d3648ck7d5e0abc6036686f@mail.gmail.com> "The crisis of representation and the representation of crisis " Is that like "Breaking News!" - Jim On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > GSNAS 3rd International Conference: > ?States of Emergency ? Interdisciplinary Perspectives on the Dynamics of > Crisis? > Call for Papers > > International Conference June 11 - 12, 2010, at John F. Kennedy Institute > of the Freie Universit?t Ber- > lin, organized by the Graduate School of North American Studies (GSNAS). > The attacks on the World Trade Center and the ensuing War on Terror stand > as images that mark the > 21st century?s fall into a permanent state of emergency, manifest in the > suspension of civil liberties, > preemptive and irregular warfare, and a disregard for international law. As > we now recognize, other > precarious potentials such as financial speculation and climate change have > long been gaining momentum, erupting into acute states of crisis in the > recent past. The tumultuous beginning of the new > century has heightened our sensitivity to exceptional states and emerging > instabilities, questioning the > applicability of established modes of control. > > States of emergency magnify pre-existing lines of conflict, shaping > clear-cut enemy images. These > may vary from Al-Qaeda to brokers on Wall Street or multinational > enterprises, to name but a few. But > times of crisis also demand new forms of agency for the emergence of new > orders. If the US is indeed > part of a world community, does a permanent state of emergenc(e)y become > the new basis of governance and politics? > > The annual conference at the Graduate School of the John F. Kennedy > Institute for North American > Studies (GSNAS) of the Freie Universit?t Berlin is hosted by the graduate > students. The third in a > series of international conferences is designed to bring together leading > scholars and top graduate > students from around the world to discuss current issues in American > Studies. > > Panels may include, but are not restricted to: > - The crisis of representation and the representation of crisis > - The 2008 economic crisis and the crisis of neoliberalism > - Crisis as an organizational principle in international politics > - Terror and responses to terror/ irregular warfare > - Governmentality and Governance > - Responses to mass migration > - Climate change and natural disasters > - Pandemics and transnational biopolitics > - Crisis of Empire: The end of the American Century? > - The history of crisis and the ?end of history? > - Transnational American Studies: another crisis in American Studies? > > We invite scholars to submit abstracts of max. 500 words. Papers should > include name, contact de- > tails, institutional affiliation and research interests. The deadline for > submissions is February 28, > 2010. Please refer to our website for recent updates and further > information: > http://www.jfki.fu-ber > lin.de/graduateschool/en/conference/2010/index.html (starting January > 2010). > Proposals should be submitted by email to > gsnas.conference2010 at gsnas.fu-berlin.de > > Ida Jahr > > PhD Fellow > Graduate School of North American Studies > Freie Universit?t Berlin > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Fri Jan 22 17:41:49 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:41:49 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission Message-ID: <1539f.b036e5.388b83ad@aol.com> I still have a Richard Nixon stamp, courtesy of a friend who was more than a little obsessed with Nixon. It's lying on the window sill in my kitchen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 22 18:17:32 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:17:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission In-Reply-To: <429626.35348.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC69D0353C140C-4324-1A94@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> In the age of email, finally the poets get some influence. Marginalized again. Finnega -----Original Message----- From: Ron Silliman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views ; Gerald Schwartz Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission Absolutely, and Stein. But I think Gioia might do something for O'Hara and not these others, Ron --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dana Gioia on the stamp commission To: rsillima at yahoo.com, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 3:07 PM Time for Olson. And the Black Mountain School. Gerald s. > Time to push for that Fluxus stamp, or at least Frank O'Hara. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 06:55:56 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:55:56 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BNew=2DPoetry=5D_=93States_of_Emergency_=96_Interdis?= =?windows-1252?Q?ciplinary_Perspectives_on_the_Dynamics_of_Crisis=94?= In-Reply-To: <648208b61001221441h70d3648ck7d5e0abc6036686f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d71001221302j6c6efd26x5d14bced3b04bb50@mail.gmail.com> <648208b61001221441h70d3648ck7d5e0abc6036686f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001230355l5eeb3cafn8354ba5280acd52f@mail.gmail.com> Believe it or not, I like these titles. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:41 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > "The crisis of representation and the representation of crisis " Is that > like "Breaking News!" > > - Jim > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jan 23 12:15:16 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:15:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Coming Up @ Poets House In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC6A66C403D296-2178-CD96@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Poets House Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00 pm Subject: Coming Up @ Poets House Trouble viewing this message? Click here January 2010 Poets House News & Events In the spirit of winter, Poets House invites you to catch the final days of Robert Frost's Annual Christmas Cards or to stay warm beside the fire of poetry in February classes taught by award?winning poet Marie Ponsot and esteemed poet and scholar Michael Heller. All events listed here take place at Poets House at 10 River Terrace (at Murray Street) in Lower Manhattan, unless otherwise noted. Read on for details. February Classes Master Class with Marie Ponsot Saturday, February 27, 1:00?5:00pm Sunday, February 28, 1:00?5:00pm $390, space is limited Application Deadline: Friday, February 12 Marie Ponsot's recent books include The Bird Catcher, which won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry; Springing: New and Selected Poems; and Easy. She is a native New Yorker who has taught at Queens College, Beijing United University, New York University and Columbia University. Application Guidelines: Submit three poems accompanied by a cover sheet that lists your name, address, email address and phone number; no names or addresses should appear on the poems themselves. Applications may be sent to Poets House, Attn: Classes, 10 River Terrace, New York, NY 10282, or by email to classes at poetshouse.org. Applications must arrive by the designated deadline. On Modern Poetry: Public Seminars with Michael Heller In two open-enrollment, round-table discussions, poet and critic Michael Heller explores major aspects of the origins and aesthetics of modern poetry. These seminars are a wonderful way for poetry newcomers as well as experts to map the broad and divergent landscape of modern American poetry. The Foundations of Modern and Contemporary Poetry with Michael Heller Saturday, February 20, 2:00?5:00pm $10, $7 for students and seniors, free to Poets House Members; no application is needed and pre-registration is not required Readings for this first session will include the poetry and prose of Whitman, Dickinson, Pound, Frost, Williams and Stevens, with reference to the intellectual and cultural environment in which modern poetry arose. "No Ideas but in Things": Developments, Diversities, Dispersions, Disavowals with Michael Heller Saturday, February 27, 2:00?5:00pm $10, $7 for students and seniors, free to Poets House Members; no application is needed and pre-registration is not required Readings for this session include Zukofsky, Oppen, Moore, Niedecker, Harlem Renaissance poets, Olson, Black Mountain and Beat Poetry. The class will discuss traceries, inflections and influences of the early modernist poets on the poetry that came after, with some reflections on shape and form in contemporary poetry. Michael Heller is a poet, essayist and critic. Among his many books are the poetry collections Eschaton, Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems and In the Builded Place as well as the memoir, Living Root. His most recent critical book is Speaking the Estranged: Essays on the Work of George Oppen. He taught for many years at New York University. Robert Frost's Annual Christmas Cards, An Exhibition On view through Saturday, January 30, 2010 This intimate exhibition features beautiful, illustrated chapbooks of Frost's poetry published by Spiral Press and sent out as holiday greetings by the revered poet as well as by his publishers, collectors and friends. The display at Poets House comprises a gift from Frank Platt, long-time Vice President (and founding member) of the Poets House Board, and is augmented by a loan from Ward Smith, a collector of Frost books, manuscripts, pamphlets and letters. Platt's gift consists of holiday chapbooks sent to him personally by Robert Frost. To read the New York Times blog on the exhibition, click here. Admission Free Also of interest: The 92nd Street Y Presents Helen Vendler on Walt Whitman Thursday, February 18, 6:00?9:00pm $160 @ 92nd Street Y, 1395 Lexington Avenue at 92nd Street For more information, call 212-415-5760. This lecture will look at three groups of Whitman's lyrics and sequences: poems of the self and others, poems of erotic intent and poems of the Civil War (especially the four elegies for Lincoln). Students are asked to purchase a copy of the Library of America Whitman, edited by Justin Kaplan, and bring it with them to the lecture. For details, click here. The 92nd Street Y Presents Brenda Wineapple on Emily Dickinson Mondays, 6:30?8:00pm, February 1, 8, 22 & March 1 $385 @ 92nd Street Y, 1395 Lexington Avenue at 92nd Street For more information, call 212-415-5760. In this seminar, students do close readings of the verse of Emily Dickinson, discussing its virtuosity in the context of her contemporaries, her region, her life, her friends, her influence on writing, her deft use of language and the various issues (transcendentalism, abolition, feminism, fame) swirling around?and in?her work. For details, click here. Winter & Spring 2010 Classes at Poets House Please visit our website for details on these classes. Master Classes Marie Ponsot ? February 27?28 Marie Howe ? May 1?2 Robert Hass ? May 30 Quincy Troupe ? June 5?6 Reading, Writing & Making: Open-Enrollment Seminars & Workshops On Modern Poetry: Seminars with Michael Heller ? Feb. 20 & 27 Listening, Recording, Writing with Stacy Doris ? March 13?14 Poetry and the City with Phillip Lopate ? March 27?28 Orbiting the World with Max Blagg ? March 23?April 27 Visual Poetry with Jen Bervin ? March 24?April 28 The Elegy with Bhisham Bherwani ? March 25?April 29 Ecopoetic Futures: Open-Enrollment Seminars & Workshops on Poetry & the Environment The Opening of the Field with Leonard Schwartz & Nalini Nadkarni ? April 23?24 Ecopoetics After Copenhagen with Jonathan Skinner ? May 12, 14, 15 An Ethics Occurs at the Edge of What We Know with Brenda Hillman ? May 2 Poets House Hours Poets House Reading Room & The Reed Foundation Library Tuesday?Friday, 11:00am?7:00pm Saturday, 11:00am?6:00pm The Constance Laibe Hayes Children's Room at Poets House Saturday, 11:00am?5:00pm Class trips by appointment. Extended hours launch April 2010. All correspondence should be addressed to: Poets House 10 River Terrace New York, NY 10282 For more information, call (212) 431-7920. Directions The new Poets House is located at 10 River Terrace at the corner of Murray Street in Lower Manhattan's Battery Park City. Take the 1, 2, 3, A or C subway to Chambers Street. Walk west on Chambers Street (past West Street) all the way to River Terrace. Turn left and walk two blocks south to 10 River Terrace at Murray Street. The M22 bus runs along Chambers between North End Ave and the Lower East Side. The M20 bus travels from the Upper West Side and the southern tip of Battery Park City to North End Ave. The Downtown Connection, a free Lower Manhattan shuttle bus, travels to North End Ave from South Street Seaport and from Broadway along Murray Street; for more information, visit: www.downtownny.com Find Out What's Happening At Poets House Now! Poets House invites you to follow us on Twitter and Facebook. We'll be posting updates about upcoming events, photos of our new home in Battery Park City and more. Become a Poets House Member To become a Poets House Member or to give the gift of Membership to a family member or friend, visit www.poetshouse.org/join.htm. We look forward to welcoming you as a new member of our growing community of writers, readers, teachers, parents and poetry-lovers from around the nation and worldwide. 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Her trial is only patchily documented, but you can make an argument that, in judicial terms, Anne was murdered. In human terms, we see that she has been paid out. Natural justice came for Anne not in the shape of the headsman, but in the shape of Jane Seymour, the sly unnoticed rival who ?replaced her, within days, as the king?s third wife. from The New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/books/review/Mantel-t.html?pagewanted=1&hpw -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Speaking to the Sunday Mail, Jean said: "Gerard and I are both totally committed to the film. There's plenty of sex and nude scenes in it. "[Burns] was a notorious rake of his time. We are not whitewashing Burns by any means. He was a complicated character and to do justice to his story is not a simple thing." Scottish actors Brian Cox and John Hannah have also been tapped to appear in the film, but there has been no decision made as to who will play the lead female role of Burns's love Jean Armour. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 25 14:47:17 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:47:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poets & Artists magazine (aka Oranges & Sardines) Message-ID: <8CC6C0E55660EC5-6EE0-2C37@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> I just encountered this glossy. Others I'm sure were aware of it... http://www.poetsandartists.com/ http://www.poetsandartists.com/guidelines.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 14:54:25 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:54:25 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poets & Artists magazine (aka Oranges & Sardines) In-Reply-To: <8CC6C0E55660EC5-6EE0-2C37@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6C0E55660EC5-6EE0-2C37@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001251154t4b669685v198efaadc4c10a89@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I regularly receive Didi Menendez's updates, I sometimes forward to my blog. Rather a question of time than choice. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:47 PM, wrote: > I just encountered this glossy. Others I'm sure were aware of it... > > http://www.poetsandartists.com/ > > http://www.poetsandartists.com/guidelines.htm > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 25 16:00:06 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem of the Week- Margaret Gibson In-Reply-To: <20100125121624.31982@web005.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20100125121624.31982@web005.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <8CC6C1881747867-6EE0-426A@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: PoemoftheWeek at poemoftheweek.org To: andrewmcfadyenketchum at poemoftheweek.org Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:16 pm Subject: Poem of the Week- Margaret Gibson Poem of the Week 01-24-2010 Margaret Gibson Kristin Canticle >From its haunt within the mountain, what?s hidden calls out. Star fire. A moon of hazy milk. What more do I want? Comet I wait until last light opens into an obedient listening, a reverie that includes the rapt attention of the moon, and the pickerel frogs hard at their vesper canons, their singing given out with such jubilant abandon, I sense the pond, the road, even the candent lapis of the evening sky as forms of their strange joy. When finally its time, I walk the lane of swamp maples and oaks and come into the damp, open fields? and there it is, looking for all the world as if someone opened a window up there, the blurred light of heaven roving out. An annunciation? I hear only its plangent silence. It requires Nothing. Awaits nothing. Asks nothing. I could continue to call it porthole, angel, herald? or refuse to, an apophatic reprieve, its funereal wake of ice and debris all I see, and gauze at that. Give the distance, how can I know what to make of its thunder and furnace, its burly habit of blazing? a succession of lucidities so vast, any sensible humility would catch its breath. But dear God, all I want is to be here, my tiny anguish and my joy a moment?s notice, an equivalent cry just as two Canadas honk a path across dark fields, flying lower than the rim of the long stone wall, lower than the wetland rushes, all the gramarye and splendor of this wide and terrible plentitude somehow intermingled with their sudden, ragged and ridden, litany. Collect Full of itself for hours, now wind falls away. >From walking the bottomland I come up the low rise just ahead of the last sweep of shadow down the field? the sun?s whole round and the sticks of the winter rose bush meet? the breast of a bird on its nest, hollowing. Flaring its wings. -from Icon and Evidence (purchase @ Amazon.com) Margaret Gibson is the author of nine books of poetry and one prose memoir. Louisiana State University Press has published the poetry, most recently One Body (2007). Other titles, all from Louisiana State University Press, include: Long Walks in the Afternoon, the Lamont Selection, 1982; Memories of the Future: The Daybooks of Tina Modotti, the Melville Cane Award given by the Poetry Society of America, 1986-7; Out in the Open, 1989; The Vigil, a Finalist in 1993 for the National Book Award; Earth Elegy, New and Selected Poems, 1997; Icon and Evidence (2001) and Autumn Grasses (2003), finalists for the Connecticut Center for the Book Award in Poetry in 2002 and 2004. Her memoir, The Prodigal Daughter; Reclaiming an Unfinished Childhood, was published by University of Missouri Press in March, 2008. Gibson has been awarded a National Endowment for the Arts Grant, a Lila Wallace/Reader?s Digest Fellowship, and grants from the Connecticut Commission on the Arts. She has been awarded two Pushcart Prizes and the James Boatright Poetry Prize. She is Professor Emerita, University of Connecticut. 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Others I'm sure were aware of it... > > http://www.poetsandartists.com/ > > http://www.poetsandartists.com/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 20:16:06 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:16:06 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] More Burns in the news In-Reply-To: <8CC6C3B57D9C996-4CEC-9599@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6C3B57D9C996-4CEC-9599@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I got a Robert Burns tea towel for Christmas. Made on Scottish linen. Gotta love eBay. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jan 25 20:32:21 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:32:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] All the right moves In-Reply-To: <8CC6C36FC541E19-4CEC-8EDE@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6C36FC541E19-4CEC-8EDE@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B5E4625.7010503@opus40.org> This was fun. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/moves-in-contemporary-poetry/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From wwmorgan at ilstu.edu Mon Jan 25 20:43:34 2010 From: wwmorgan at ilstu.edu (Bill Morgan) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:43:34 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Poems for The Hardy Review Message-ID: <00d901ca9e28$fa0d3350$ee2799f0$@edu> Dear NewPoetry, Hardy-l, and ttha-potm list members- The Hardy Review, a twice-yearly print publication for Thomas Hardy scholars and enthusiasts and published by the Thomas Hardy Association, welcomes submissions of high-quality, original poems that may take Hardy as their subject, that may reference him or his work, that may recall something about him in their theme or technique, that may show his influence in subtle or direct ways, or that might interest an audience of Hardy readers for some other reason we haven't yet imagined. In other words, there is no need for an explicit Hardy connection, though that is welcome too. Readers of the Review are a smart and aesthetically sophisticated group. Surprise us! The Review is just now entering upon its 12th year. It is edited by Professor Rosemarie Morgan of Yale University and published in an attractive, slick-paper format by Maney Publishing. See a cover image and a sample table of contents at the Thomas Hardy Association's main page: http://www.yale.edu/hardysoc/Welcome/welcomet.htm In recent issues, the Review has featured poems by Robert Mezey, Jannett Highfill, Judith Valente, Michael Morical, and Patricia Brody. Poets forthcoming include Barry Goldensohn, Carrie Etter, Charles Reynard, Gerald Schwartz, Jim Goar, Kathleen Kirk, and Michael Cain. Postal submissions, including a brief cover letter, brief bio, and SASE should be sent to: Bill Morgan 603 N. School Street Normal, IL 61761 Electronic submissions (with all their attendant formatting perils) may be sent to wwmorgan at ilstu.edu Cheers, Bill Morgan Poetry Editor, The Hardy Review -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 13:01:34 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:01:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson Message-ID: <712925.68098.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> BARD ROVING READING SERIES AMY KING & CARA BENSON Friday, January 29th @ 6 pm Bard Hall* at Bard College Annandale-on-Hudson NY *Bard Hall is located near the corner of North Ravine Road and Annandale Road. It is a small, grey, church-like structure?set back from Annandale Road?and should not be confused with the stone chapel located to its left. Click here for more directions -- http://www.bard.edu/campus/maps/maptour/ AMY KING Amy King is the author of I?m the Man Who Loves You, Antidotes for an Alibi, Slaves to Do these Things (forthcoming from BlazeVox), and I Want to Make You Safe (forthcoming from Litmus Press). She teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College, and co-curates The Stain reading series in Brooklyn, NY. ~~~~~~ CARA BENSON Cara Benson is editor of the interdisciplinary book Predictions for ChainLinks. Her newest titles include the book (made), which is forthcoming from BookThug, and Protean Parade (Black Radish Books 2010). Her writing has been published in Belladonna Elders Series #7, Imaginary Syllabi, Spell/ing Bound, as well as in Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifest(o)ation, which won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. She edits Sous Rature, and teaches poetry in a New York State prison. http://bardrovingreadingseries.blogspot.com/2010/01/amy-king-cara-benson.html _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 26 14:17:53 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:17:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson In-Reply-To: <712925.68098.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <712925.68098.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5F3FE1.2040602@opus40.org> Amy -- I should be able to make this. amy king wrote: > BARD ROVING READING SERIES > > > AMY KING & CARA BENSON > Friday, January 29th @ 6 pm > Bard Hall* at Bard College > Annandale-on-Hudson NY > > > *Bard Hall is located near the corner of North Ravine Road > and Annandale Road. It is a small, grey, church-like structure?set back from > Annandale Road?and should not be confused with the stone chapel located to its > left. > > Click here for more directions -- > http://www.bard.edu/campus/maps/maptour/ > > > AMY KING > > Amy King is the author of I?m the Man Who Loves You, > Antidotes for an Alibi, Slaves to Do these Things (forthcoming from BlazeVox), > and I Want to Make You Safe (forthcoming from Litmus Press). She teaches > English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College, and co-curates > The Stain reading series in Brooklyn, NY. > > > ~~~~~~ > > CARA BENSON > > Cara Benson is editor of the interdisciplinary book > Predictions for ChainLinks. Her newest titles include the book (made), which is > forthcoming from BookThug, and Protean Parade (Black Radish Books 2010). Her > writing has been published in Belladonna Elders Series #7, Imaginary Syllabi, > Spell/ing Bound, as well as in Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifest(o)ation, which > won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. She edits Sous Rature, and teaches poetry in a New > York State prison. > > > > > http://bardrovingreadingseries.blogspot.com/2010/01/amy-king-cara-benson.html > > _______ > > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- > http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm > > INTERVIEW > > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 14:50:32 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:50:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson In-Reply-To: <4B5F3FE1.2040602@opus40.org> References: <712925.68098.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B5F3FE1.2040602@opus40.org> Message-ID: <32664.23229.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> That would be lovely, Tad! Now as long as I can figure out the trains... ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 2:17:53 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson Amy -- I should be able to make this. amy king wrote: > BARD ROVING READING SERIES > AMY KING & CARA BENSON > Friday, January 29th @ 6 pm > Bard Hall* at Bard College > Annandale-on-Hudson NY > *Bard Hall is located near the corner of North Ravine Road > and Annandale Road. It is a small, grey, church-like structure?set back from > Annandale Road?and should not be confused with the stone chapel located to its > left. > Click here for more directions -- > http://www.bard.edu/campus/maps/maptour/ > AMY KING > Amy King is the author of I?m the Man Who Loves You, > Antidotes for an Alibi, Slaves to Do these Things (forthcoming from BlazeVox), > and I Want to Make You Safe (forthcoming from Litmus Press). She teaches > English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College, and co-curates > The Stain reading series in Brooklyn, NY. > ~~~~~~ > CARA BENSON > Cara Benson is editor of the interdisciplinary book > Predictions for ChainLinks. Her newest titles include the book (made), which is > forthcoming from BookThug, and Protean Parade (Black Radish Books 2010). Her > writing has been published in Belladonna Elders Series #7, Imaginary Syllabi, > Spell/ing Bound, as well as in Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifest(o)ation, which > won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. She edits Sous Rature, and teaches poetry in a New > York State prison. > > > > http://bardrovingreadingseries.blogspot.com/2010/01/amy-king-cara-benson.html > _______ > > BOOK > Slaves to Do These Things -- > http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW > Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 26 15:14:10 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:14:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson In-Reply-To: <32664.23229.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <712925.68098.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B5F3FE1.2040602@opus40.org> <32664.23229.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5F4D12.10908@opus40.org> Amtrak goes to Rhinecliff -- convenient, more expensive. Metro North goes to Poughkeepsie -- incredibly cheap, if you can picked up down there. Of course, if Bard is picking up the tab, no problem. If you take the bus up to Kingston, I can probably pick you up. amy king wrote: > That would be lovely, Tad! Now as long as I can figure out the trains... > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TheOldMole > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 2:17:53 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] This Friday - BARD ROVING READING SERIES - King and Benson > > Amy -- I should be able to make this. > > amy king wrote: > >> BARD ROVING READING SERIES >> AMY KING & CARA BENSON >> Friday, January 29th @ 6 pm >> Bard Hall* at Bard College >> Annandale-on-Hudson NY >> *Bard Hall is located near the corner of North Ravine Road >> and Annandale Road. It is a small, grey, church-like structure?set back from >> Annandale Road?and should not be confused with the stone chapel located to its >> left. >> Click here for more directions -- >> http://www.bard.edu/campus/maps/maptour/ >> AMY KING >> Amy King is the author of I?m the Man Who Loves You, >> Antidotes for an Alibi, Slaves to Do these Things (forthcoming from BlazeVox), >> and I Want to Make You Safe (forthcoming from Litmus Press). She teaches >> English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College, and co-curates >> The Stain reading series in Brooklyn, NY. >> ~~~~~~ >> CARA BENSON >> Cara Benson is editor of the interdisciplinary book >> Predictions for ChainLinks. Her newest titles include the book (made), which is >> forthcoming from BookThug, and Protean Parade (Black Radish Books 2010). Her >> writing has been published in Belladonna Elders Series #7, Imaginary Syllabi, >> Spell/ing Bound, as well as in Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifest(o)ation, which >> won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. She edits Sous Rature, and teaches poetry in a New >> York State prison. >> >> >> >> http://bardrovingreadingseries.blogspot.com/2010/01/amy-king-cara-benson.html >> _______ >> >> BOOK >> Slaves to Do These Things -- >> http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW >> Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 26 18:45:00 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:45:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Isaiah=E2=80=99s_Highway?= Message-ID: <8CC6CF8B5BA0CBB-564C-AAF@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Isaiah?s Highway ?A highway shall be there?called the Way of Holiness.? ?Isaiah 35:8 And there shall be a car idling at the side of the road. You will recognize the low rumble of 357 hemi with fuel-injection. The driver wearing aviator sunglasses will glance once toward the passenger side door and as you slide in his eyes will turn back to the road ahead, almost before your whole body finds the bucket seat you?ll feel the acceleration build, begin to bury you deep its G-force grip, by the time you can raise your head and look up the sun will be receding, a Doppler redshift in the rearview, the road blasted open now only by the light speed of headlights, in that moment, the highway signs become a strange poetry: Orlando to Toledo to Oklahoma City and Corvalis Oregon, gone baby gone. The exit ramps take wing, the road itself rising to bridge the far horizon in a single bound, constellations flare, collapse and ember into the ashtray. I sd, John, because I knew that wasn?t his name, the darkness surrounds us, but somehow the universe is lovely dark and deep, even as everywhere there is weeping for all the promises we cannot keep. So it is we keep moving, break neck, breathless and cursing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 26 20:34:05 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:34:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Don Jack In-Reply-To: <8CC6CF8B5BA0CBB-564C-AAF@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6CF8B5BA0CBB-564C-AAF@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B5F980D.4000206@opus40.org> Inspired by Mike Snider, I put out a request on Facebook for three words to construct a poem around. I ended up getting swamped with them, so I've begun a narrative on my blog which wll eventually, somehow, encompass the whole list. http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:43:42 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:43:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] So this guy walks into a book... Message-ID: <515679.10575.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Louis Zukofsky, Paul Violi, Borges, Robert Hayden, Graham Robb, Occam, Rimbaud, Olson, Walter Benjamin, Robert Duncan ... "As I tried to analyze my discomfort with King?s language..." http://coldfrontmag.com/reviews/slaves-to-do-these-things _______ BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm INTERVIEW Bookslut -- http://www.bookslut.com/features/2010_01_015554.php From junction at earthlink.net Wed Jan 27 15:29:41 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] query Message-ID: Anybody able to b/c me Eric Lorberer's email/telephone info? Thanks, Mark Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 27 17:53:32 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Nat'l Book Critics Circle award finalists Message-ID: <8CC6DBAAF1C8946-67BC-64B6@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> http://bookcritics.org/blog/archive/national_book_critics_circle_announces_finalists_january_23_2010/ Poetry: Rae Armantrout, Versed (Wesleyan) Louise Gl?ck, A Village Life (Farrar, Straus and Giroux) D.A. Powell, Chronic (Graywolf Press) Eleanor Ross Taylor, Captive Voices: New and Selected Poems, 1960?2008 (Louisiana State University Press) Rachel Zucker, Museum of Accidents (Wave Books) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Almost unnecessary, one might think, to turn back to the > poems themselves at all (do they still do so in schools?). Those > proverbial titles seem to hold all the poetry. > > So it easy to forget how strange, how captivating, how haunted > Coleridge's actual poems are > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 27 20:00:40 2010 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:00:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] STC In-Reply-To: <8CC6DC69C3AE7E1-3AEC-607B@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6DC69C3AE7E1-3AEC-607B@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B60E1B8.4000504@opus40.org> Coleridge really really really wanted to move to America. Just think if he had, and Keats had lived a little longer and followed his brother over. What would the American canon look like? jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/27/samuel-taylor-coleridge-richard-holmes > English poet and philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772 - 1834). > > The very name Samuel Taylor Coleridge seems to reverberate like some > mysterious timpani. > > Those magical titles of his vibrate and echo over an infinite > distance: Kubla Khan, The Ancient Mariner, Christabel, Frost at > Midnight ? Or for that matter the notorious Person on Business from > Porlock. Almost unnecessary, one might think, to turn back to the > poems themselves at all (do they still do so in schools?). Those > proverbial titles seem to hold all the poetry. > > So it easy to forget how strange, how captivating, how haunted > Coleridge's actual poems are > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 27 23:15:05 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:15:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] daily literary quote Message-ID: <8CC6DE79B10B798-348-AC50@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> FYI... http://www.dailyliteraryquote.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By counting the frequency of words used (and filtering out common words and the least used), we can see where each president's focus lay. And to really see how language compares, there is still no finer tool than Wordle.net . We've taken the text and visualised it using the versatile tool. Click on the image above to see how Obama compares to Bush, Roosevelt, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington and JFK." _____________ >From their "frequency of words used (and filtering out common words used and the least used)", I put the nine words they listed for Obama, Bush and Lincoln in order of frequency---and in a 'sentence' form: Obama: "I will more people America new government Congress must." Bush: "Will I America world must people new more Congress government." Lincoln: "I Congress will government more people new must world." I suppose this qualifies as a 'found' poem. The Wordle.net schema cited in the article is fascinating, BTW. 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To compare, we've taken > the text of the first addresses of key presidents from the University of > California's?American Presidency Project, a scheme to digitally archive and > make public thousands of presidential papers and documents in a searchable > database. By counting the frequency of words used (and filtering out common > words and the least used), we can see where each president's focus lay. > > And to really see how language compares, there is still no finer tool > than?Wordle.net. We've taken the text and visualised it using the versatile > tool. Click on the image above to see how Obama compares to Bush, Roosevelt, > Reagan, Lincoln, Washington and JFK." > > _____________ > > From their ?"frequency of words used (and filtering out common words used > and the least used)", I put the nine words they listed for Obama, Bush and > Lincoln in order of frequency---and in a 'sentence' form: > > Obama: ?"I will more people America new government Congress must." > > Bush: ?"Will I America world must people new more Congress government." > > Lincoln: ?"I Congress will government more people new must world." > > I suppose this qualifies as a 'found' poem. > > The Wordle.net schema cited in the article is fascinating, BTW. > > Best, > > Judy > > ------------------------ > Frisky Moll Press: ?http://judithprince.com/home.html > > "I can't read my library card." ?--Jeff Hecker, Norfolk, VA > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 28 12:21:06 2010 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Comparing keywords in presidents' debut State of the Union speeches In-Reply-To: References: <7db1d01b1001280734i1c965640hb4a79d2150b06830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b1001280921l7f0b2ba7xd145ca03b46b92db@mail.gmail.com> I might forget to have lunch, Chris; just added 5 colours including dk grey background, to SOTU 2010 Word Cloud re "union Obama". Looks urbane, understated. Have we become Grummaniers? ! ! What's "court sense"? Judy On 28 January 2010 11:29, Chris Lott wrote: > I do this regularly with Many Eyes: > http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/ > > Just cut and paste the text and you can create various visualizations, > not just wordle type word clouds, but also trees, etc. I consider it a > way to increase ones "court sense" of a text. > > c > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Judy Prince > wrote: > > Apologies for cross-posting. > > > > From The Guardian online today: > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/27/obama-state-of-the-union-addresses-wordle-presidents > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Salinger, who was thought at one time to be the most important American writer to emerge since World War II but who then turned his back on success and adulation, has died in Cornish, N.H., where he lived in seclusion for more than 50 years, his son told The Associated Press. He was 91. Mr. Salinger's literary reputation rests on a slender but enormously influential body of published work: the novel "The Catcher in the Rye," the collection "Nine Stories" and two compilations, each with two long stories about the fictional Glass family: "Franny and Zooey" and "Raise High the Roof Beam, Carpenters and Seymour: An Introduction." Read More: http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na ----- Now get New York Times breaking news alerts sent to your mobile phone. Sign up by texting NEWSALERTS to 698698 (NYTNYT). ----- About This E-Mail You received this message because you are signed up to receive breaking news alerts from NYTimes.com. 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What would the American canon look like?" --though perhaps one could say that Coleridge runs through the American canon, or canons, in the form of Emerson? >From Louisville, George Keats' final resting place since 1841, the date of Emerson's Essays: First Series and of the first appearance of "Self-Reliance." From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jan 28 15:40:24 2010 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:40:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] STC In-Reply-To: <4B61A645.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> References: <4B61A645.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> Message-ID: Coleridge runs through the American canon as Coleridge. As far as I know, the poems have been as popular here as in Britain, and for as long. At the end of the Guardian piece we're told that one has to choose, or does choose, between Coleridge and Wordsworth. I can't see why. Mark At 02:59 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: >"Coleridge really really really wanted to move to America. Just think if >he had, and Keats had lived a little longer and followed his brother >over. What would the American canon look like?" > >--though perhaps one could say that Coleridge runs through the >American canon, or canons, in the form of Emerson? > > >From Louisville, George Keats' final resting place since 1841, the > date of Emerson's Essays: First Series and of the first appearance > of "Self-Reliance." > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 15:58:38 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:58:38 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] STC In-Reply-To: References: <4B61A645.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001281258j7ec3d7eaxdb66210aa07dce66@mail.gmail.com> It was Wordsworth who wanted Coleridge, this should suffice. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Coleridge runs through the American canon as Coleridge. As far as I know, > the poems have been as popular here as in Britain, and for as long. > > At the end of the Guardian piece we're told that one has to choose, or does > choose, between Coleridge and Wordsworth. I can't see why. > > Mark > > > At 02:59 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: > > "Coleridge really really really wanted to move to America. Just think if > he had, and Keats had lived a little longer and followed his brother > over. What would the American canon look like?" > > --though perhaps one could say that Coleridge runs through the American > canon, or canons, in the form of Emerson? > > >From Louisville, George Keats' final resting place since 1841, the date of > Emerson's Essays: First Series and of the first appearance of > "Self-Reliance." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Well, I'll be damned. > > *The Catcher in the Rye *is the reason that I wanted to become a writer. > > > > Jeff Newberry > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: NYTimes.com News Alert > Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM > Subject: News Alert: J.D. Salinger, Author of 'The Catcher in the Rye,' Is > Dead at 91 > To: jeff.newberry at gmail.com > > > Breaking News Alert > The New York Times > Thu, January 28, 2010 -- 1:17 PM ET > ----- > > J.D. Salinger, Author of 'The Catcher in the Rye,' Is Dead at 91 > > J. D. Salinger, who was thought at one time to be the most > important American writer to emerge since World War II but > who then turned his back on success and adulation, has died > in Cornish, N.H., where he lived in seclusion for more than > 50 years, his son told The Associated Press. He was 91. > > Mr. Salinger's literary reputation rests on a slender but > enormously influential body of published work: the novel "The > Catcher in the Rye," the collection "Nine Stories" and two > compilations, each with two long stories about the fictional > Glass family: "Franny and Zooey" and "Raise High the Roof > Beam, Carpenters and Seymour: An Introduction." > > Read More: > http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na > > ----- > Now get New York Times breaking news alerts sent to your mobile phone. > Sign up by texting NEWSALERTS to 698698 (NYTNYT). > ----- > > About This E-Mail > You received this message because you are signed up to receive breaking > news > alerts from NYTimes.com. > > To unsubscribe, change your e-mail address or to sign up for daily > headlines > or other newsletters, go to: > http://www.nytimes.com/email > > NYTimes.com > 620 Eighth Ave. > New York, NY 10018 > > Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company > > > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Thu Jan 28 16:07:27 2010 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:07:27 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: News Alert: J.D. Salinger, Author of 'The Catcher in the Rye, ' Is Dead at 91 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001281259l1b1286e9j7bfd94a9c8cf4c12@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b61d981.a053f10a.2704.3125SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><731bb17a1001281109g57e6eb0ft5ae1196d4d2a887f@mail.gmail.com><4b65c2d71001281259l1b1286e9j7bfd94a9c8cf4c12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <412053383-1264712854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-940427067-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sad news. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:59:43 To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: News Alert: J.D. Salinger, Author of 'The Catcher in the Rye, ' Is Dead at 91 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 29 10:19:24 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:19:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Has No One Ever Heard of Mary Webb? Message-ID: <8CC6F0D9359D2B9-3F1C-10051@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/arts/design/29antiques.html Her now obscure novels, with titles like ?Precious Bane? and ?Gone to Earth,? are celebrated in small scholarly circles; a Facebook page is titled ?Has No One Ever Heard of Mary Webb?? Posting on that site these days is Mary E. Crawford, a financial planner and amateur literary historian in San Mateo, Calif., who has acquired 600 pieces of Webbiana in the last 25 years. Ms. Crawford has organized a show, ?Mary Webb: Neglected Genius,? that runs through March 13 at the Grolier Club at 47 East 60th Street in Manhattan. Display cases on the club?s second floor are full of Webb?s poetry, scribbled on paper scraps, and warm letters to her unsympathetic mother-in-law. Ms. Crawford has also set out a singed manuscript of a novel that survived a cottage fireplace and a 1927 fan letter from Prime Minister Baldwin that ends, ?Thank you a thousand times.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Fri Jan 29 11:38:20 2010 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:38:20 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hal Johnson sighting Message-ID: <5FD05669-87C3-463C-950E-E1853E461BD1@ripon.edu> I'm delighted to announce the debut issue of a Verse Wisconsin, a journal with which I am associated. VW has evolved from an older publication called Free Verse, but it's an entirely new & spiffy entity, under new editors (Madison poets Wendy Vardaman & Sarah Busse). There are both print & online versions. In addition to poems, they feature reviews, essays, interviews, and audio files on the website of contributors reading. Verse Wisconsin does intend to feature poetry associated with our state, but it also hopes to serve as a link between Wisconsin & the wider world. Thus the first issue includes, in addition to Hal Johnson, work by Philip Dacey, Edward Hirsch, Barbara Crooker, Jason Huff, and Todd Boss, among other non-cheeseheads. I am, by the way, not involved with the journal's editing, and so deserve no credit or blame for what appears there. I have been deputized by the editors, however, to solicit submissions from poets and writers-about-poetry, which I hereby do. Submit, submit, submit! Here's the home page, from which you can find the online edition as well as submission & subscription info: http://www.versewisconsin.org/ Enjoy! Sonnet: Milwaukee, City of Rumors Running down rumors along Milwaukee's dark, Brucknerian boulevards, streets, and alleys, in the urban half-light of America, half-hoping to find some truth in them: the rumors, say, that the Brewers will move to Havana, taking all of the city with them. Ah, the sunlight, the salt sea air. But no, that one evaporates as soon as one catches up to it, leaving the others, the one that very late at night, just before dawn in fact, early morning joggers by the lake can see Ed Gein walking the beach, something round and wrapped in newspaper beneath his arm, looking for a waste basket empty enough to receive it, the one that Lake Michigan will be rebaptized Lake Wisconsin. --Halvard Johnson, San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. 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The US embargo has corrupted our view of the island, and Castro?s censors have stifled the publication of writing that departs from state-sanctioned optimismo. I found ?The Fog? in The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry, edited by Mark Weiss (California; paper $29.95). Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster?s Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it. Weiss presents generous selections of work by fifty-five poets from Cuba and its diaspora; though ostensibly an anthology, The Whole Island is a gathering of individual voices (among them those of the twenty-two translators who contributed to the project). In ?On Three Photos of Mella,? Francisco de Ora? offers a riposte to Julio Mella, a founder of Cuba?s Communist Party and a disapproving superego: ?I only know that, deep down, I would have wanted to be let loose in the garden,/and that the garden would grow and become the whole world.? Seeing through the fog (what Damaris Calder?n calls this ?sad business/this playing at being perfect?), Weiss has located the whole island?s many imaginary gardens. Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:25:36 2010 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:25:36 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] STC In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d71001281258j7ec3d7eaxdb66210aa07dce66@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B61A645.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> <4b65c2d71001281258j7ec3d7eaxdb66210aa07dce66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I thought Coleridge was important as an editor in the UK, as well as being a poet. So, I wonder if his editorial efforts had as much influence on "the canon" viewed from the UK, as opposed to in the US. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 17:05:37 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:05:37 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hal Johnson sighting In-Reply-To: <5FD05669-87C3-463C-950E-E1853E461BD1@ripon.edu> References: <5FD05669-87C3-463C-950E-E1853E461BD1@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001291405h7c26bd50off529c61c23488ec@mail.gmail.com> Much to be proud of! Congratulations Hal! And thank you David. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM, David Graham wrote: > I'm delighted to announce the debut issue of a Verse Wisconsin, a journal > with which I am associated. > > VW has evolved from an older publication called Free Verse, but it's an > entirely new & spiffy entity, under new editors (Madison poets Wendy > Vardaman & Sarah Busse). There are both print & online versions. In > addition to poems, they feature reviews, essays, interviews, and audio files > on the website of contributors reading. > > Verse Wisconsin does intend to feature poetry associated with our state, > but it also hopes to serve as a link between Wisconsin & the wider world. > Thus the first issue includes, in addition to Hal Johnson, work by Philip > Dacey, Edward Hirsch, Barbara Crooker, Jason Huff, and Todd Boss, among > other non-cheeseheads. > > I am, by the way, not involved with the journal's editing, and so deserve > no credit or blame for what appears there. I have been deputized by the > editors, however, to solicit submissions from poets and > writers-about-poetry, which I hereby do. Submit, submit, submit! > > Here's the home page, from which you can find the online edition as well as > submission & subscription info: http://www.versewisconsin.org/ > > Enjoy! > > > * > * > *Sonnet: Milwaukee, City of Rumors* > > Running down rumors along Milwaukee's dark, > Brucknerian boulevards, streets, and alleys, > in the urban half-light of America, half-hoping > to find some truth in them: the rumors, say, that > the Brewers will move to Havana, taking all of > the city with them. Ah, the sunlight, the salt > sea air. But no, that one evaporates as soon as > one catches up to it, leaving the others, the one > that very late at night, just before dawn in fact, > early morning joggers by the lake can see Ed Gein > walking the beach, something round and wrapped > in newspaper beneath his arm, looking for a waste > basket empty enough to receive it, the one that > Lake Michigan will be rebaptized Lake Wisconsin. > > --Halvard Johnson, San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. > *Verse Wisconsin *101 (Winter 2010). > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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And thank you David. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM, David Graham wrote: >> >> I'm delighted to announce the debut issue of a Verse Wisconsin, a journal >> with which I am associated. >> VW has evolved from an older publication called Free Verse, but it's an >> entirely new & spiffy entity, under new editors (Madison poets Wendy >> Vardaman & Sarah Busse). ?There are both print & online versions. ?In >> addition to poems, they feature reviews, essays, interviews, and audio files >> on the website of contributors reading. >> Verse Wisconsin does intend to feature poetry associated with our state, >> but it also hopes to serve as a link between Wisconsin & the wider world. >> ?Thus the first issue includes, in addition to Hal Johnson, work by Philip >> Dacey, Edward Hirsch, Barbara Crooker, Jason Huff, and Todd Boss, among >> other non-cheeseheads. >> I am, by the way, not involved with the journal's editing, and so deserve >> no credit or blame for what appears there. ?I have been deputized by the >> editors, however, to solicit submissions from poets and >> writers-about-poetry, which I hereby do. ?Submit, submit, submit! >> Here's the home page, from which you can find the online edition as well >> as submission & subscription info: ?http://www.versewisconsin.org/ >> Enjoy! >> >> >> >> Sonnet: Milwaukee, City of Rumors >> Running down rumors along Milwaukee's dark, >> Brucknerian boulevards, streets, and alleys, >> in the urban half-light of America, half-hoping >> to find some truth in them: the rumors, say, that >> the Brewers will move to Havana, taking all of >> the city with them. Ah, the sunlight, the salt >> sea air. But no, that one evaporates as soon as >> one catches up to it, leaving the others, the one >> that very late at night, just before dawn in fact, >> early morning joggers by the lake can see Ed Gein >> walking the beach, something round and wrapped >> in newspaper beneath his arm, looking for a waste >> basket empty enough to receive it, the one that >> Lake Michigan will be rebaptized Lake Wisconsin. >> --Halvard Johnson, San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. >> Verse Wisconsin?101 (Winter 2010). >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- k From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 30 13:16:11 2010 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:16:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Runaway Spoon Press Clearance Sale In-Reply-To: <731bb17a1001281109g57e6eb0ft5ae1196d4d2a887f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b61d981.a053f10a.2704.3125SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <731bb17a1001281109g57e6eb0ft5ae1196d4d2a887f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B64776B.9020305@nut-n-but.net> Go to: http://poeticks.com/the-runaway-spoon-press-catalogue-2/ Top of the Page. 25 titles, some dating back before 1990, for only $50. A few are a little beat up but some, I'm sure, must be collectors' items by now, or eventually will be. Good quick course in what's been going on in the Otherstream over the past two decades. From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jan 30 18:44:23 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:44:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ursprache blog at 4 Message-ID: <8CC701D4946E93A-1958-1ECF0@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ My blog turned four this week. In the last three years I've kept a pace of 20 posts per month on average. Of course my posts are arphoristic ars poetica, seldom more than a sentence or two. The blog is interspersed with quotes from my reading or things I've encountered here and there over the years. The post to today is a longish quote (for me) from a French philosophe Turgot. Not all the quotes, and not even all my aphorisms, I entirely agree with. Some are put there to stir my thinking. I also have an extensive blog roll. If you find your blog (poetry related) is not there, let me know. 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The blog is interspersed > with quotes from my reading or things I've encountered here and there over > the years. The post to today > is a longish quote (for me) from a French philosophe Turgot. Not all the > quotes, and not even all my aphorisms, > I entirely agree with. Some are put there to stir my thinking. > > I also have an extensive blog roll. If you find your blog (poetry related) > is not there, let me know. > > > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 04:03:15 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:03:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] ursprache blog at 4 In-Reply-To: References: <8CC701D4946E93A-1958-1ECF0@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d71001310103h4f80c77ah8c8da1108ae8da27@mail.gmail.com> You would not say from the few visits I do to your site James, but it is one of my favorites, even better now in its new clothes. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Thanks, Finnegan. Lots of good pith there. > > Hal > > Serving the tri-state area. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:44 PM, wrote: > >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> My blog turned four this week. In the last three years I've kept a pace >> of 20 posts per month on average. >> Of course my posts are arphoristic ars poetica, seldom more than >> a sentence or two. The blog is interspersed >> with quotes from my reading or things I've encountered here and there over >> the years. The post to today >> is a longish quote (for me) from a French philosophe Turgot. Not all the >> quotes, and not even all my aphorisms, >> I entirely agree with. Some are put there to stir my thinking. >> >> I also have an extensive blog roll. If you find your blog (poetry related) >> is not there, let me know. >> >> >> Finnegan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Murphy, Joel Chace, Caleb Puckett, Philip Byron Oakes, Ed Baker, Tom Beckett interviewing William Allegrezza, William Allegrezza, dan raphael, Alyson Torns, Jeff Harrison, Grzegorz Wr?blewski, Michele Leggott, PD Mallamo, Ray Craig, Mark Cunningham, Cecelia Chapman, David-Baptiste Chirot, Vernon Frazer, Helen White & Jeff Crouch, James Yeary, Robert Lee Brewer, Michael Brandonisio, J. D. Nelson, Scott Metz, Geof Huth, Corey Wakeling, John M. Bennett & Thomas M. Cassidy, Sheila E. Murphy & John M. Bennett, John M. Bennett, Rebecca Mertz, Felino Soriano, Cath Vidler, David Wolach, Carlyle Baker, Stu Hatton, Jenny Enochsson, Robert Gauldie, Rebecca Eddy, Joe Balaz, Bobbi Lurie, Andrew Topel & M?rton Kopp?ny, Hugh Tribbey, John Martone, J. Gordon Faylor, Evan Harrison, A. J. Patrick Liszkiewicz, Bob Heman, Guillermo Castro, & sean burn. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 31 17:07:50 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kunitz remembered Message-ID: <8CC70D8F6A16D5C-F70-B15@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/books/the-best-us-poet-of-his-time/article1179570/ His name was Stanley Kunitz. His introduction to the Broumas book was engrossing and passionate, but it did not occur to me at the time that I should be investigating him as a poet: I thought he was a scholar, an impresario. And I fear that it has not occurred to enough critics, scholars, and others, for in all the new flurry of excitement about poetry that has infected the literary magazines and their scene in the last few years, I don't recall his name turning up much, if at all. Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: