From millb at aol.com Mon Aug 30 20:32:08 2010 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:08 -0400 Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Lubbock reading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD16BB1428C9A8-1F0C-437D@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> For those in the Lubbock area-- Millicent Borges Accardi, Formby Fellow Poetry Reading from Woman on a Shaky Bridge Texas Tech University, English Dept, Room 106 Sept. 9th at 6PM - 10PM Refreshments will be served. Free Contact: millb at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 30 20:56:33 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:56:33 -0400 Subject: [New-poetry] Sledge's Bishop novel Message-ID: <8CD16BE7D71663E-458-361C@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> It was somewhere in rural Mexico that novelist Michael Sledge realized that his life was eerily beginning to resemble that of the protagonist of his new book. Sledge was writing a novel based on the 17 years the late American Poet Laureate Elizabeth Bishop had spent in the tropics of Brazil. At the time, he was living in an unfinished house far from the world he once knew. So was Bishop. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/30/DDGT1F4TSB.DTL#ixzz0y8jEg18U -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 30 21:49:31 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:49:31 -0400 Subject: [New-poetry] Katrina 5 years later Message-ID: <8CD16C5E3B2993E-458-421D@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Excerpts from Blood Dazzler by Patricia Smith... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96922274 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 31 10:42:47 2010 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:42:47 -0400 Subject: [New-poetry] end of Hugo's huts Message-ID: <8CD1731E9DF2BE0-EAC-4D84@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nicolebrodeur/2012765489_nicole31m.html It's all part of living in the Richard Hugo House "huts" ? two former cottages that have housed a selection of the city's writers for one-year stints since 2003. They not only labored over their writing but served as caretakers, teachers and chroniclers of the changing Belltown neighborhood. It's changing again Tuesday, with the demise of the Hugo House program itself. Seems it's the victim of a governmental morass involving liability, insurance, maintenance; the black-and-white issues that always seem to get in the way of the most colorful artistic endeavors. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 13:39:49 2010 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:39:49 +0200 Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled at The Argotist Online In-Reply-To: <108476.63168.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <108476.63168.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd say that this is Good! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:28 PM, amy king wrote: > I found this: > > > > *The Talk About the Talk* > > > > > > In 2010, a majority of toiling milieus > > seem grounded in the words they serve. > > O nebulous living, what is meant to become? > > The chief puts two red herrings? > > American universities and work? into youth, > > the newest of the new, > > to practice anything (striated with political correctness), > > but unthinking creation stays > > its own romantic pond. > > > > Putting aside for a moment the strength > > of argument here, the result collapses > > over and over before > > it gets off the ground: retirement, reward, satiety. > > A lot of places in the U.S. and very few ring true. > > > > As if too much time in blogland becomes > > your nose so close, you can't see another picture. > > All is false, of course, within the contemporary zone. > > > > There is no historical evidence that > > something ever existed. Take the romantic lakes, > > never quite evaporated > > but mirror still the aging impulse, > > an aura that poets obsolesce out. > > Simply put, people mainly construct > > a guilt towards no such thing as control. > > The conceit is that teetering master > > narrative from the one who plugs it with his thumb. > > The upshot is a bastardized force > > that must cease to be itself and anything otherwise done. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Cervantes > * > * > >> >> On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:20 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> Why is it that in 2010, a majority of poets, particularly those >> toiling in experimental milieus, seem both more grounded in and more >> stimulated >> by theories than by the poems they bolster? What is this nebulous entity, >> ?poetics,? and how has it sapped the life out of what it is meant to >> serve? The >> chief weakness of the pursuit of ?poetics,? as I see it, is that it puts >> premiums on two red herrings?novelties and political correctness. >> ?Poetics,? as >> practiced by the bolder American universities, wants to investigate the >> newest >> of the new, anything (striated, of course, within the taut bounds of >> political >> correctness) that has not been done before. But practicing ?poetics? >> creates and >> perpetuates its own kind of romantic ideology?an unthinking and >> uncritical >> belief in one?s self-representations as planted firmly in the new, fresh, >> and >> bold.? >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> Putting aside for a moment the strength of Fieled's argument here, or lack >> thereof, it seems to me that his case collapses before it gets off the >> ground, due to a highly dubious premise. I know a lot of poets in a lot of >> places in the U.S.A., and very few are captured by his generalization. So >> to claim that "a majority of poets" are grounded in "poetics" (as he defines >> it) just doesn't ring true. >> >> Sounds to me as if Fieled has been spending too much time in blogland, >> reading (are you listening, BobG?) too narrow a range of commentary on >> poetry. It's a common problem for critics: your nose so close to your >> subject that you can't see the bigger picture. All generalizations are >> false, of course, but especially those concerning the contemporary scene. >> > > I agree. He's in the realm of the talk-about-the-talk, something I railed > against when I first joined this list. > > > -- Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nt me. - Jim On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, amy king wrote: > I found this: > > > > *The Talk About the Talk* > > > > > > In 2010, a majority of toiling milieus > > seem grounded in the words they serve. > > O nebulous living, what is meant to become? > > The chief puts two red herrings? > > American universities and work? into youth, > > the newest of the new, > > to practice anything (striated with political correctness), > > but unthinking creation stays > > its own romantic pond. > > > > Putting aside for a moment the strength > > of argument here, the result collapses > > over and over before > > it gets off the ground: retirement, reward, satiety. > > A lot of places in the U.S. and very few ring true. > > > > As if too much time in blogland becomes > > your nose so close, you can't see another picture. > > All is false, of course, within the contemporary zone. > > > > There is no historical evidence that > > something ever existed. Take the romantic lakes, > > never quite evaporated > > but mirror still the aging impulse, > > an aura that poets obsolesce out. > > Simply put, people mainly construct > > a guilt towards no such thing as control. > > The conceit is that teetering master > > narrative from the one who plugs it with his thumb. > > The upshot is a bastardized force > > that must cease to be itself and anything otherwise done. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Cervantes > * > * > >> >> On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:20 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> Why is it that in 2010, a majority of poets, particularly those >> toiling in experimental milieus, seem both more grounded in and more >> stimulated >> by theories than by the poems they bolster? What is this nebulous entity, >> ?poetics,? and how has it sapped the life out of what it is meant to >> serve? The >> chief weakness of the pursuit of ?poetics,? as I see it, is that it puts >> premiums on two red herrings?novelties and political correctness. >> ?Poetics,? as >> practiced by the bolder American universities, wants to investigate the >> newest >> of the new, anything (striated, of course, within the taut bounds of >> political >> correctness) that has not been done before. But practicing ?poetics? >> creates and >> perpetuates its own kind of romantic ideology?an unthinking and >> uncritical >> belief in one?s self-representations as planted firmly in the new, fresh, >> and >> bold.? >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> Putting aside for a moment the strength of Fieled's argument here, or lack >> thereof, it seems to me that his case collapses before it gets off the >> ground, due to a highly dubious premise. I know a lot of poets in a lot of >> places in the U.S.A., and very few are captured by his generalization. So >> to claim that "a majority of poets" are grounded in "poetics" (as he defines >> it) just doesn't ring true. >> >> Sounds to me as if Fieled has been spending too much time in blogland, >> reading (are you listening, BobG?) too narrow a range of commentary on >> poetry. It's a common problem for critics: your nose so close to your >> subject that you can't see the bigger picture. All generalizations are >> false, of course, but especially those concerning the contemporary scene. >> > > I agree. He's in the realm of the talk-about-the-talk, something I railed > against when I first joined this list. > > > -- Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Tue Aug 31 14:12:11 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:12:11 -0800 Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled atThe Argotist Online In-Reply-To: References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <4C7BE4AF.4030203@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > A littl reality: here are two sites with poems by Fieled. > > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/fieled-from-apparition.shtml, > http://artrecess.blogspot.com/2010/02/adam-fieled-philly-usa-from-apparition.html But wait, he's in Jacket. Thus he's an anointed one. Who's feeding on who's own? c From chris at chrislott.org Tue Aug 31 14:10:53 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:10:53 -0800 Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled atThe Argotist Online In-Reply-To: <4C7BE4AF.4030203@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <4C7BE4AF.4030203@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >? Yes, he seems constricted to a > much smaller segment of the poetry continuum than Wilshberia. He's constricted by the constriction endemic to the Sillimanites, et al. c From chris at chrislott.org Tue Aug 31 15:30:16 2010 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:30:16 -0800 Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled atThe Argotist Online In-Reply-To: References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <4C7BE4AF.4030203@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: er, make that "who's feeding on WHOSE own?" c From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 19:00:33 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled atThe Argotist Online In-Reply-To: References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <4C7BE4AF.4030203@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <799417.69511.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jacket = anointed? To what? The sun also rises, Moi ******** Now That's WAC + http://wearechampion.blogspot.com/2010/08/amy-king.html Esque + http://esque.eu/ Nepotism + http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/2010/08/amy-kings-slaves-to-do-these-things.html Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Lott But wait, he's in Jacket. Thus he's an anointed one. Who's feeding on who's own? c From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 19:04:49 2010 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled at The Argotist Online In-Reply-To: References: <8CD15F8A69937B0-CA4-586C@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> <3B37AC67-12A5-48D8-856D-4DCA7E9F43F8@ripon.edu> <108476.63168.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <621981.43855.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Nope, I "found" it! It looks a lil' lost... Still wondering: can magazine inclusion anoint anyone? I thought Bloom had to do that. x, A ******** Now That's WAC + http://wearechampion.blogspot.com/2010/08/amy-king.html Esque + http://esque.eu/ Nepotism + http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/2010/08/amy-kings-slaves-to-do-these-things.html Amy's Alias + http://amyking.org/ ******** ________________________________ From: James Cervantes To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 5:09:07 PM Subject: Re: [New-poetry] [New-Poetry] Re: The Conspiracy Against Poems" by Adam Fieled at The Argotist Online Who dat? Nt me. - Jim On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, amy king wrote: I found this: > > > >The Talk About the Talk > > >In 2010, a majority of toiling milieus >seem grounded in the words they serve. >O nebulous living, what is meant to become? >The chief puts two red herrings? >American universities and work? into youth, >the newest of the new, >to practice anything (striated with political correctness), >but unthinking creation stays >its own romantic pond. > >Putting aside for a moment the strength >of argument here, the result collapses >over and over before >it gets off the ground: retirement, reward, satiety. >A lot of places in the U.S. and very few ring true. > >As if too much time in blogland becomes >your nose so close, you can't see another picture. >All is false, of course, within the contemporary zone. > >There is no historical evidence that >something ever existed. Take the romantic lakes, >never quite evaporated >but mirror still the aging impulse, >an aura that poets obsolesce out. >Simply put, people mainly construct >a guilt towards no such thing as control. >The conceit is that teetering master >narrative from the one who plugs it with his thumb. >The upshot is a bastardized force >that must cease to be itself and anything otherwise done. > > > > > ________________________________ From: James Cervantes > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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