From anny.ballardini Thu Apr 1 05:09:10 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu Apr 1 05:09:10 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] When you are old by W.B. Yeats Message-ID: When you are old and gray and full of sleep, And nodding by the fire, take down this book, And slowly read, and dream of the soft look Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep; How many loved your moments of glad grace, And loved your beauty with love false or true, But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you, And loved the sorrows of your changing face; And bending down beside the glowing bars, Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled And paced upon the mountains overhead And hid his face among a crowd of stars. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100401/89238d4a/attachment.html From junction Thu Apr 1 06:33:16 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu Apr 1 06:33:16 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] When you are old by W.B. Yeats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronsard, Pour H?l?ne Quand vous serez bien vieille, au soir, ? la chandelle, Assise aupr?s du feu, d?vidant et filant, Direz, chantant mes vers, en vous ?merveillant : Ronsard me c?l?brait du temps que j??tais belle. Lors, vous n?aurez servante oyant telle nouvelle, D?j? sous le labeur ? demi sommeillant, Qui au bruit de mon nom ne s?aille r?veillant, B?nissant votre nom de louange immortelle. Je serai sous la terre et fant?me sans os : Par les ombres myrteux je prendrai mon repos : Vous serez au foyer une vieille accroupie, Regrettant mon amour et votre fier d?dain. Vivez, si m?en croyez, n?attendez ? demain : Cueillez d?s aujourd?hui les roses de la vie. At 08:02 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: >When you are old and gray and full of sleep, >And nodding by the fire, take down this book, >And slowly read, and dream of the soft look >Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep; > >How many loved your moments of glad grace, >And loved your beauty with love false or true, >But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you, >And loved the sorrows of your changing face; > >And bending down beside the glowing bars, >Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled >And paced upon the mountains overhead >And hid his face among a crowd of stars. > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >Giovenale > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Ronsard, Pour H?l?ne > > > Quand vous serez bien vieille, au soir, ? la chandelle, > Assise aupr?s du feu, d?vidant et filant, > Direz, chantant mes vers, en vous ?merveillant : > Ronsard me c?l?brait du temps que j??tais belle. > > Lors, vous n?aurez servante oyant telle nouvelle, > D?j? sous le labeur ? demi sommeillant, > Qui au bruit de mon nom ne s?aille r?veillant, > B?nissant votre nom de louange immortelle. > > Je serai sous la terre et fant?me sans os : > Par les ombres myrteux je prendrai mon repos : > Vous serez au foyer une vieille accroupie, > > Regrettant mon amour et votre fier d?dain. > Vivez, si m?en croyez, n?attendez ? demain : > Cueillez d?s aujourd?hui les roses de la vie. > > > > At 08:02 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: > > When you are old and gray and full of sleep, > And nodding by the fire, take down this book, > And slowly read, and dream of the soft look > Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep; > > How many loved your moments of glad grace, > And loved your beauty with love false or true, > But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you, > And loved the sorrows of your changing face; > > And bending down beside the glowing bars, > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled > And paced upon the mountains overhead > And hid his face among a crowd of stars. > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100401/51a8c706/attachment.html From junction Thu Apr 1 06:54:50 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu Apr 1 06:54:50 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] When you are old by W.B. Yeats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Enormously. Yeats took the Ronsard as a jumping-off point. Both lovely poems, but I think for us more to overcome after nearly 500 years in the Ronsard. Those servants, for one, and the traditional poet's narcissism, for another. At 09:38 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi Mark, it seems similar, but it is at the same >time so different in spirit and in images. Don't you think so? > >On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mark Weiss ><junction at earthlink.net> wrote: >Ronsard, Pour H?l?ne > > >Quand vous serez bien vieille, au soir, ? la chandelle, >Assise aupr?s du feu, d?vidant et filant, >Direz, chantant mes vers, en vous ?merveillant : >Ronsard me c?l?brait du temps que j??tais belle. > >Lors, vous n?aurez servante oyant telle nouvelle, >D?j? sous le labeur ? demi sommeillant, >Qui au bruit de mon nom ne s?aille r?veillant, >B?nissant votre nom de louange immortelle. > >Je serai sous la terre et fant?me sans os : >Par les ombres myrteux je prendrai mon repos : >Vous serez au foyer une vieille accroupie, > >Regrettant mon amour et votre fier d?dain. >Vivez, si m?en croyez, n?attendez ? demain : >Cueillez d?s aujourd?hui les roses de la vie. > > > >At 08:02 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: >>When you are old and gray and full of sleep, >>And nodding by the fire, take down this book, >>And slowly read, and dream of the soft look >>Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep; >> >>How many loved your moments of glad grace, >>And loved your beauty with love false or true, >>But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you, >>And loved the sorrows of your changing face; >> >>And bending down beside the glowing bars, >>Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled >>And paced upon the mountains overhead >>And hid his face among a crowd of stars. >> >>-- >>Anny Ballardini >>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to >>give birth to a dancing star! >>Friedrich Nietzsche >> >>? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>Giovenale >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of >Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > >"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's >Random House Book of Twentieth Century French >Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively >broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside >the United States and also created a superb >collection of foreign poems in English. There is >nothing else like it." John Palattella in The >Nation > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >Giovenale > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our first day is devoted to Edward Hirsch, who has just turned sixty, and whose birthday Knopf celebrates with The Living Fire: New and Selected Poems, a volume that provides a rich sampling from his seven collections of poetry to date as well as new poems. Hirsch, also the author of several nonfiction books about poetry, a former editor of the Poet?s Choice column in the Washington Post, an industrious critic and introducer of volumes by poets as disparate as John Keats and L. E. Sissman, is a lively participant in the conversation about poetry, a true ambassador for the art. But his own poems, over the past thirty-five years, are the best of what he has to give us. Here is "Self-portrait,? a frank self-examination that nonetheless touches on his belief that a poem?and the mysterious force of imagination which gives birth to it?can bring us as near to redemption as anything else. Throughout the month, scroll down for more good things following the poems: links to Edward Hirsch's tour schedule around the country this month and an interview with Big Think appear below. S e l f - p o r t r a i t I lived between my heart and my head, like a married couple who can?t get along. I lived between my left arm, which is swift and sinister, and my right, which is righteous. I lived between a laugh and a scowl, and voted against myself, a two-party system. My left leg dawdled or danced along, my right cleaved to the straight and narrow. My left shoulder was like a stripper on vacation, my right stood upright as a Roman soldier. Let?s just say that my left side was the organ donor and leave my private parts alone, but as for my eyes, which are two shades of brown, well, Dionysus, meet Apollo. Look at Eve raising her left eyebrow while Adam puts his right foot down. No one expected it to survive, but divorce seemed out of the question. I suppose my left hand and my right hand will be clasped over my chest in the coffin and I?ll be reconciled at last, I?ll be whole again. Keep Clicking: Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. Listen to an audio clip of the author reading "Self-portrait" Learn more about The Living Fire: New and Selected Poems Watch Big Think's interview with Edward Hirsch Edward Hirsch is touring this month; see his full event schedule If you are new to our poem-a-day, missed last year's selection, or just want to experience it again, visit our 2009 Poem-A-Day Collection on DailyLit Buy the Book Excerpt from THE LIVING FIRE: NEW AND SELECTED POEMS. Copyright ? 2010 by Edward Hirsch. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. 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Thanks for sharing this news, James! ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" http://content.usatoday.com/communities/popcandy/post/2010/04/natalie-merchant/1 We haven't heard new music from Natalie Merchant in awhile; her last solo release was issued in 2003, followed by a couple compilation discs. On April 13 the former 10,000 Maniacs singer returns with an ambitious project called Leave Your Sleep. Each tune is based on a poem, and Merchant calls the record "different from anything I've ever done in every way." Gerard Manley Hopkins, Edward Lear, Nathalia Crane and other poets comprise the lyrics for Leave Your Sleep. You can read all of the poems on Merchant's site... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100401/52fdd177/attachment.html From bobgrumman Thu Apr 1 13:56:40 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu Apr 1 13:56:40 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> Am I right in believing that: the more you know about something, the harder it is to define; and the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from everything else in the world? --Bob G., just musing again From anny.ballardini Thu Apr 1 14:19:50 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:19:50 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> References: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I agree. I am thinking now, probably because when you know little there is such a confusion at your level that you want to put your voice through - be it to oppose, or to agree, or to attempt your own version to see the effect; while as soon as you are a little savant, then the audience is more rarefied, and you have no one to talk to, or nothing to fight for. You know _ full stop. Nothing else. That's the Buddha, by the way. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Am I right in believing that: > > the more you know about something, the harder it is to define; > > and > > the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from everything > else in the world? > > --Bob G., just musing again > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Each tune is based on a poem, and Merchant > calls the record "different from anything I've ever done in every way." > > Gerard Manley Hopkins, Edward Lear, Nathalia Crane and other poets comprise > the lyrics for Leave Your Sleep. You can read all of the poems on Merchant's > site... > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From robin.hamilton2 Thu Apr 1 14:56:58 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:56:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> References: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <04E72871ECDC4FE5B6B4C3E1BD7594FF@RobinLaptopPC> > the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from everything > else in the world? > > --Bob G., just musing again That's perilously close to part of what de Saussure says in the _Course_, Bob. Robin From Rsgwynn1 Thu Apr 1 15:26:51 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 15:26:51 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things Message-ID: <3f27d.5a9659ad.38e675f2@cs.com> In a message dated 4/1/2010 3:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: > m I right in believing that: > > the more you know about something, the harder it is to define; > > and > > the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from everything > else in the world? > > --Bob G., just musing again Heisenberg. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100401/fd82f728/attachment.html From bobgrumman Thu Apr 1 16:11:37 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu Apr 1 16:11:37 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: <04E72871ECDC4FE5B6B4C3E1BD7594FF@RobinLaptopPC> References: <4BB51581.3010403@nut-n-but.net> <04E72871ECDC4FE5B6B4C3E1BD7594FF@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: <4BB53520.2020800@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: >> the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from >> everything else in the world? >> >> --Bob G., just musing again > > That's perilously close to part of what de Saussure says in the > _Course_, Bob. Is that bad or good, Robin? It's what I've feel like I've always thought.. Have read about Saussure but haven't read him. I've been pressured into thinking and saying it more and more by those who want the definition of poetry to include, for instance, "asemic writing." Once there's nothing that a given thing by definition is not, it no longer exists. Ah, I remember where it may have first come up in my thoughts. When thinking about the dimwits who wonder if reality exists. The problem with asking that is that it brings up the question, "As opposed to what?" --Bob From bobgrumman Thu Apr 1 16:14:24 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu Apr 1 16:14:24 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: <3f27d.5a9659ad.38e675f2@cs.com> References: <3f27d.5a9659ad.38e675f2@cs.com> Message-ID: <4BB535C8.60508@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2010 3:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: >> m I right in believing that: >> >> the more you know about something, the harder it is to define; >> >> and >> >> the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from everything >> else in the world? >> >> --Bob G., just musing again > > > Heisenberg. Does that make me right or wrong? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100401/5985089a/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Thu Apr 1 16:20:06 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 16:20:06 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things Message-ID: In a message dated 4/1/2010 6:04:48 PM Central Daylight Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: > > > Robin Hamilton wrote: > >>the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from > >>everything else in the world? > >> > >>--Bob G., just musing again > > > >That's perilously close to part of what de Saussure says in the > >_Course_, Bob. > Is that bad or good, Robin? It's what I've feel like I've always > thought.. Have read about Saussure but haven't read him. I've been > pressured into thinking and saying it more and more by those who want > the definition of poetry to include, for instance, "asemic writing." > Once there's nothing that a given thing by definition is not, it no > longer exists. > > Ah, I remember where it may have first come up in my thoughts. When > thinking about the dimwits who wonder if reality exists. The problem > with asking that is that it brings up the question, "As opposed to what?" > > --Bob The classical explanation of this is definition=genus+differentia(e). In other words, what is is like and how does it differ from the other things it is like? It's the classical foundation of biographical distinctions, for one thing. Blame Aristotle. Example: A sonnet is a fourteen-line closed poetic form (genus) with (differentiae) a meter of iambic pentameter, a rhyme scheme (other than couplets), and a "turn" after the 9th line. 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Message-ID: <75121.92594.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> WILLA is live -- please check out our features (including my work on "The Count"), tell your friends, forward widely, and stay tuned! Best, Amy http://willaweb.org/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cate Marvin Dear Friends, You may or may not recall that eight months ago I sent out an email about the need for an organization for women writers of literature. The response was a bit overwhelming. As, it soon became clear, is the need. Since that time, my Co-Director Erin Belieu and I have pulled together a simply amazing group of women writers to help us pull off the creation of our new organization: WILLA (Women in Letters & Literary Arts). I can?t begin to tell you all of time and thought that has gone into this! It was truly, apologies for the clich?, a labor of love. This is to say: we launched our website today. 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Keppler, Mark Cunningham, Jadon Rempel, Keith Higginbotham, Anne Fitzgerald, and Halvard Johnson, and with e?ratio editions e?chaps by Travis Macdonald and Carey Scott Wilkerson http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/issue13.html e?ratio is reading for issue 14, the fall 2010 issue. http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com e?ratio is edited for real by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino e? From Rsgwynn1 Fri Apr 2 08:22:56 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Fri Apr 2 08:22:56 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. Gwynn - Denis Dutton has linked you Message-ID: <30804.42529c45.38e76427@cs.com> Thanks for letting me know, Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100402/5b11ab5e/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Fri Apr 2 12:14:23 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Fri Apr 2 12:14:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] WILLA's Website Has Launched! In-Reply-To: <75121.92594.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <75121.92594.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BB64070.30404@opus40.org> Good site. Bookmarked. amy king wrote: > WILLA is live -- please check out our features (including my work on > "The Count"), tell your friends, forward widely, and stay tuned! > > Best, > > Amy > http://willaweb.org/ > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cate Marvin Dear Friends, You may > or may not recall that eight months ago I sent out an email about the > need for an organization for women writers of literature. The response > was a bit overwhelming. As, it soon became clear, is the need. Since > that time, my Co-Director Erin Belieu and I have pulled together a > simply amazing group of women writers to help us pull off the creation > of our new organization: WILLA (Women in Letters & Literary Arts). I > can?t begin to tell you all of time and thought that has gone into > this! It was truly, apologies for the clich?, a labor of love. This is > to say: we launched our website today. Please check WILLA out at: > http://willaweb.org With happiness, Cate -- Cate Marvin, Associate > Professor Department of English College of Staten Island, CUNY > Co-Director, WILLA (Women in Letters and Literary Arts) > www.willaweb.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman Fri Apr 2 13:32:14 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri Apr 2 13:32:14 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Defining things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BB6614B.7040800@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2010 6:04:48 PM Central Daylight Time, > bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: >> >> >> Robin Hamilton wrote: >> >>the whole aim of defining something is to distinguish it from >> >>everything else in the world? >> >> >> >>--Bob G., just musing again >> > >> >That's perilously close to part of what de Saussure says in the >> >_Course_, Bob. >> Is that bad or good, Robin? It's what I've feel like I've always >> thought.. Have read about Saussure but haven't read him. I've been >> pressured into thinking and saying it more and more by those who want >> the definition of poetry to include, for instance, "asemic writing." >> Once there's nothing that a given thing by definition is not, it no >> longer exists. >> >> Ah, I remember where it may have first come up in my thoughts. When >> thinking about the dimwits who wonder if reality exists. The problem >> with asking that is that it brings up the question, "As opposed to what?" >> >> --Bob > > > The classical explanation of this is definition=genus+differentia(e). > In other words, what is is like and how does it differ from the other > things it is like? It's the classical foundation of biographical > distinctions, for one thing. Blame Aristotle. > > Example: A sonnet is a fourteen-line closed poetic form (genus) with > (differentiae) a meter of iambic pentameter, a rhyme scheme (other > than couplets), and a "turn" after the 9th line. > > Of course, one would have to then supply all of the exceptions to the > rule(s). Or accept the definition and disqualify all the exceptions to the rules. Or rename what is being defined--as Petrarchian Sonnet or Italian Sonnet. Or be enlightened modern and just ignore all definitions because all they do is lead to knowledge, and who wants that? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100402/14df6e09/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sat Apr 3 08:19:01 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat Apr 3 08:19:01 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dan Chiasson from Knopf Message-ID: *5. Next* If you can orbit the planet, why can't you see what makes the human heart happy? Is it art or is it sex? Or is it, as I suspect, just keeping going from next thing to next thing to next thing to next thing to next to next to next to next pulsating stupidly to outlast time? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ggg Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:24:20 To: Subject: [New-Poetry] Harryette Mullen wins $50,000 Jackson Poetry Prize _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From tichaona Sat Apr 3 14:21:31 2010 From: tichaona (tichaona@inthewhirlwind.com) Date: Sat Apr 3 14:21:31 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Publication: Contraband Marriage Message-ID: <20100403141447.06739fca92e8a33e1cdb4ae2881c2177.d038783ee6.wbe@email01.secureserver.net> Whirlwind Publishing is proud to announce our sixth release: a chapbook called Contraband Marriage by poet Tichaona Chinyelu. Previews are available at http://www.scribd.com/doc/29372627. Ordering info can be found at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/contraband-marriage/8164634. Happy National Poetry Writing Month, Whirlwind Publishing www.inthewhirlwind.com From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 4 01:44:26 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 4 01:44:26 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ted Kooser on the Almanac Message-ID: Late February by Ted Kooser The first warm day, and by mid-afternoon the snow is no more than a washing strewn over the yards, the bedding rolled in knots and leaking water, the white shirts lying under the evergreens. Through the heaviest drifts rise autumn's fallen bicycles, small carnivals of paint and chrome, the Octopus and Tilt-A-Whirl beginning to turn in the sun. Now children, stiffened by winter and dressed, somehow, like old men, mutter and bend to the work of building dams. But such a spring is brief; by five o'clock the chill of sundown, darkness, the blue TVs flashing like storms in the picture windows, the yards gone gray, the wet dogs barking at nothing. Far off across the cornfields staked for streets and sewers, the body of a farmer missing since fall will show up in his garden tomorrow, as unexpected as a tulip. "Late February" by Ted Kooser, from *Flying at Night: Poems 1965-1985*. ? University of Pittsburgh Press, 1985. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For this is love and nothing else is love, The which it is reserved for God above To sanctify to what far ends He will, But which it only needs that we fulfil. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100404/646a54d7/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Sun Apr 4 07:43:33 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Sun Apr 4 07:43:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> Initial response -- Kooser over Frost in this battle of the springs. Anny Ballardini wrote: > *A Prayer in Spring* > Web Bug from http://z.about.com/ > *Robert Frost (1915)* > clr gif > > Oh, give us pleasure in the flowers to-day; > And give us not to think so far away > As the uncertain harvest; keep us here > All simply in the springing of the year. > > Oh, give us pleasure in the orchard white, > Like nothing else by day, like ghosts by night; > And make us happy in the happy bees, > The swarm dilating round the perfect trees. > > And make us happy in the darting bird > That suddenly above the bees is heard, > The meteor that thrusts in with needle bill, > And off a blossom in mid air stands still. > > For this is love and nothing else is love, > The which it is reserved for God above > To sanctify to what far ends He will, > But which it only needs that we fulfil. > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman Sun Apr 4 07:51:27 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 4 07:51:27 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> References: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> I find it hard to believe Robert used "God above" to make a rhyme. --Bob From Opus40-01 Sun Apr 4 07:52:50 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Sun Apr 4 07:52:50 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> References: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4BB8982B.4080909@opus40.org> I cringed at the same place. Bob Grumman wrote: > I find it hard to believe Robert used "God above" to make a rhyme. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 4 08:25:15 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 4 08:25:15 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: <4BB8982B.4080909@opus40.org> References: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> <4BB8982B.4080909@opus40.org> Message-ID: Bob and Tad, it is a Prayer! If it is a prayer, sooner or later - you will have to recycle god somewhere... On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > I cringed at the same place. > > > Bob Grumman wrote: > >> I find it hard to believe Robert used "God above" to make a rhyme. >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100404/f5d1d764/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Sun Apr 4 09:07:41 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Sun Apr 4 09:07:41 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2010 8:01:25 AM Central Daylight Time, anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: > > A Prayer in Spring > > Robert Frost (1915) > > > Oh, give us pleasure in the flowers to-day; > And give us not to think so far away > As the uncertain harvest; keep us here > All simply in the springing of the year. > > Oh, give us pleasure in the orchard white, > Like nothing else by day, like ghosts by night; > And make us happy in the happy bees, > The swarm dilating round the perfect trees. > > And make us happy in the darting bird > That suddenly above the bees is heard, > The meteor that thrusts in with needle bill, > And off a blossom in mid air stands still. > > For this is love and nothing else is love, > The which it is reserved for God above > To sanctify to what far ends He will, > But which it only needs that we fulfil. > > > This is in the Unitarian hymnal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I know of prayers without gods in them. --Bob From bobgrumman Sun Apr 4 10:48:12 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 4 10:48:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> References: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4BB8CFDD.7020607@nut-n-but.net> Actually, I suppose "God above" isn't an inversion, but it sounds like one. --Bob From Opus40-01 Sun Apr 4 18:23:29 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Sun Apr 4 18:23:29 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Frost from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: <4BB8CF4C.6030707@nut-n-but.net> References: <4BB895FD.70804@opus40.org> <4BB8A675.8060308@nut-n-but.net><4BB8982B.4080909@opus40.org> <4BB8CF4C.6030707@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4BB92BF7.4030503@opus40.org> Song lyrics can get away with things that poems can't. As a hymn, it might work better. Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny, the inversion, "God above," may not > be as doggerelly bad as the inversion > "sky above" as a rhyme for love, but it is horrible-bad. > And I know of prayers without gods in them. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 5 09:34:06 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Apr 5 09:34:06 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] nothing gold can stay by frost Message-ID: *Nothing Gold Can Stay* [image: gif] *Robert Frost (1923)* [image: clr gif] - The Poem - Notes and Commentary [image: clr gif] Nature?s first green is gold, Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf?s a flower; But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf. So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day. Nothing gold can stay. from About.com: Poetry http://poetry.about.com/od/poems/l/blfrostautumn.htm?nl=1 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CHARLES SIMIC, 47th ANNUAL WALLACE STEVENS POETRY PROGRAM Tuesday April 6, 2 pm, Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts 15 Vernon Street Hartford, CT 06106-3203 - (860) 757-6300 Wednesday April 7, 8 pm, Konover Auditorium of the Dodd Center at the University of Connecticut Sponsored by The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. & The Hartford Friends and Enemies of Wallace Stevens OPEN TO THE PUBLIC--ALL WELCOME AT BOTH READINGS Simic, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1938 and immigrated to the United States in 1954, is the author of more than 60 books in the U.S. and abroad, twenty titles of his own poetry among them, including Selected Poems: 1963-2003 (2004), for which he received the 2005 International Griffin Poetry Prize; Jackstraws (1999), which was named a Notable Book of the Year by the New York Times; Walking the Black Cat (1996), which was a finalist for the National Book Award; and The World Doesn?t End(1990), for which he received the Pulitzer Prize. This event is organized by the faculty of the English Department in UConn's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and by teachers and staff at the Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts. V. Penelope Pelizzon Associate Professor of English & Co-Director, Creative Writing Program University of Connecticut 215 Glenbrook Road U-4025 Storrs, CT 06269-4025 860/486-3870 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/bc737212/attachment.html From jforjames Mon Apr 5 10:11:45 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 10:11:45 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lycidas Message-ID: <8CCA2F0E0DC41B8-1B70-E8B@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2010/03/poetry_column_miltons_lycidas.html Milton took justifying the ways of God to man as his poetic calling. "Paradise Lost" is his prime achievement in English poetry. But it's also a fabulous anomaly in the generation-upon-generation conversation among poets. Being epic and not lyric, it has never felt particularly modern. And the poem's moral argument sometimes seems remote. But his great elegy "Lycidas" -- arguably the most important early elegy in English poetry -- is a masterwork that still influences contemporary poets. More than that, "Lycidas" changed the nature of the lyric poem in English by containing argument, doubt, lament and celebration in a single utterance. Published in 1638 when Milton was just 29, "Lycidas" elegizes Edward King... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, wrote: > FYI, If you're in or near Connecticut... > > CHARLES SIMIC, 47th ANNUAL WALLACE STEVENS POETRY PROGRAM > > Tuesday April 6, 2 pm, Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts > 15 Vernon Street Hartford, CT 06106-3203 - (860) 757-6300 > > Wednesday April 7, 8 pm, Konover Auditorium of the Dodd Center at the > University > of Connecticut > > Sponsored by The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. & The Hartford > Friends > and Enemies of Wallace Stevens > > OPEN TO THE PUBLIC--ALL WELCOME AT BOTH READINGS > > Simic, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1938 and immigrated to the United > States in > 1954, is the author of more than 60 books in the U.S. and abroad, twenty > titles > of his own poetry among them, including Selected Poems: 1963-2003 (2004), > for > which he received the 2005 International Griffin Poetry Prize; Jackstraws > (1999), which was named a Notable Book of the Year by the New York Times; > Walking the Black Cat (1996), which was a finalist for the National Book > Award; > and The World Doesn?t End(1990), for which he received the Pulitzer Prize. > > > This event is organized by the faculty of the English Department in UConn's > > College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and by teachers and staff at the > Greater > Hartford Academy of the Arts. > > V. Penelope Pelizzon > Associate Professor of English > & Co-Director, Creative Writing Program > University of Connecticut > 215 Glenbrook Road U-4025 > Storrs, CT 06269-4025 > 860/486-3870 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The feature essays include ?State of the Art,? in which an author addresses issues particular to the concerns of her specific genre; ?Deal With it,? where a featured essayist offers her candid take on the more practical concerns of being a female writer in a male-dominated literary world; and ?The Count,? where Willa?s Amy King gathers the hard numbers to examine rates of publication, award recognition and other factors that affect women writers both artistically and financially within the national literary community. Another feature, coming next month, is ?For the record,? where editors, agents and publishers are interviewed and asked to provide their candid opinion on the contemporary landscape for women?s writing in the United States. The present issue features novelist A.J. Verdelle on the subject of literary recognition and the work of chimamanda adiche and Willa co-founder, the poet Cate Marvin, exploring the issue of ?terrible mother poems? and how new mothers are treated by the literary establishment. Willa was founded in August 2009 to explore critical and cultural perceptions of writing by women through meaningful conversation and the exchange of ideas among existing and emerging literary communities. Please forward - thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anny Ballardini wrote: > Congratulations to you all! > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, > wrote: > > FYI, If you're in or near Connecticut... > > CHARLES SIMIC, 47th ANNUAL WALLACE STEVENS POETRY PROGRAM > > Tuesday April 6, 2 pm, Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts > 15 Vernon Street Hartford, CT 06106-3203 - (860) 757-6300 > > Wednesday April 7, 8 pm, Konover Auditorium of the Dodd Center at > the University > of Connecticut > > Sponsored by The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. & The > Hartford Friends > and Enemies of Wallace Stevens > > OPEN TO THE PUBLIC--ALL WELCOME AT BOTH READINGS > > Simic, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1938 and immigrated to the > United States in > 1954, is the author of more than 60 books in the U.S. and abroad, > twenty titles > of his own poetry among them, including Selected Poems: 1963-2003 > (2004), for > which he received the 2005 International Griffin Poetry Prize; > Jackstraws > (1999), which was named a Notable Book of the Year by the New York > Times; > Walking the Black Cat (1996), which was a finalist for the > National Book Award; > and The World Doesn?t End(1990), for which he received the > Pulitzer Prize. > > This event is organized by the faculty of the English Department > in UConn's > College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and by teachers and staff at > the Greater > Hartford Academy of the Arts. > > V. Penelope Pelizzon > Associate Professor of English > & Co-Director, Creative Writing Program > University of Connecticut > 215 Glenbrook Road U-4025 > Storrs, CT 06269-4025 > 860/486-3870 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens Mon Apr 5 10:49:33 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Mon Apr 5 10:49:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] White Swallow Reading Series! -- McClure, Guez, Kronovet, and King Message-ID: <764929.97063.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A very special Ladies' Night at The White Swallow, featuring Monica McClure, Julia Guez, Jennifer Kronovet, and Amy King. Tuesday, April 6, 2010 - 6:00pm - 8:00pm Cornelia Street Cafe (downstairs) 29 Cornelia St. New York, NY Monica McClure is currently pursuing her MFA at New York University. Her debut book of poetry, Now I?ve Got the Pill, will be out by Low Hanging Branch Press (2011). Julia Guez, after five years of service with Teach For America, is now living in New York, pursuing a Masters in Fine Arts at Columbia and working part-time at The Academy of American Poets. At work on a first full-length collection of poetry, she has received a Harvey Fellowship and Dorothy Sargent Rosenberg Poetry Prize. New verse is soon to appear in Western Humanities Review, Inscape, The Blue Fifth and Basilica Review. Jennifer Kronovet is the author of the poetry collection Awayward (BOA Editions) and the co-founder and co-editor of Circumference: Poetry in Translation. Beginning in the fall, she will be writer-in-residence at Washington University in St. Louis. Amy King?s most recent books are Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox) and, forthcoming, I Want to Make You Safe (Litmus Press). She edits the Poetics List (SUNY-Buffalo/University of Pennsylvania), moderates the Women?s Poetry Listserv (WOMPO), and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College. King also co-curates the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stain of Poetry. For more information, please visit http://amyking.org. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=109628102394253&ref=mf _______ AMY'S ALIAS http://amyking.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/04/12/100412taco_talk_kolbert#ixzz0kFciwD7h -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/5c3d56e0/attachment.html From junction Mon Apr 5 12:47:16 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Apr 5 12:47:16 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lycidas In-Reply-To: <8CCA2F0E0DC41B8-1B70-E8B@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA2F0E0DC41B8-1B70-E8B@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As in the rest of Europe at the time, composing an epic was the goal of a lot of poets. Davenant and Cowley come to mind. At 12:05 PM 4/5/2010, you wrote: >http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2010/03/poetry_column_miltons_lycidas.html >Milton took justifying the ways of God to man as his poetic calling. >"Paradise Lost" is his prime achievement in English poetry. But it's >also a fabulous anomaly in the generation-upon-generation >conversation among poets. Being epic and not lyric, it has never >felt particularly modern. And the poem's moral argument sometimes >seems remote. > >But his great elegy "Lycidas" -- arguably the most important early >elegy in English poetry -- is a masterwork that still influences >contemporary poets. More than that, "Lycidas" changed the nature of >the lyric poem in English by containing argument, doubt, lament and >celebration in a single utterance. > >Published in 1638 when Milton was just 29, "Lycidas" elegizes Edward King... >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/f8a69567/attachment.html From halvard Mon Apr 5 13:22:54 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 5 13:22:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry Message-ID: to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for that too. Apologies for cross-posting. Apologetically, Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From almaginnes Mon Apr 5 13:25:55 2010 From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 13:25:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1387440340-1270495169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-993416992-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Maybe if you were a bit more apologetic. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:16:25 To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for that too. Apologies for cross-posting. Apologetically, Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames Mon Apr 5 14:24:58 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 14:24:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Announcing The Annual Chapbook Festival, May 3 and 4 in NYC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCA3143A18FA34-1D70-EB73@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> From: Bozicevic, Ana To: POETRY-l at GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 3:49 pm Subject: Announcing The Annual Chapbook Festival, May 3 and 4 in NYC FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE The Annual Chapbook Festival celebrates the chapbook as a work of art and as a vehicle for alternative and emerging writers and publishers. Now in its second year, the festival features a two-day bookfair with chapbook publishers from around the country, workshops, marathon poetry readings, and a closing-night reading of prize-winning Chapbook Fellows. Workshops will include: Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Poets, Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Publishers, Do-It-Yourself Chapbooks: Make and Distribute Your Own, and Chapbooks as Art Objects. For more information, schedule, and a list of participating publishers, please visit http://www.chapbookfestival.org. PUBLISHERS: FREE SPACE IS STILL AVAILABLE IN THE BOOKFAIR. PLEASE CONTACT ABOZICEVIC at GC.CUNY.EDU FOR A TABLE! Co-sponsored by The Office of Academic Affairs, The Center for the Humanities, The Graduate Center and MFA Programs in Creative Writing of the City University of New York, The Center for Book Arts, Poets House, Poetry Society of America, and Poets & Writers ======================================== You are subscribed to the POETRY-l List with e-mail address jforjames at AOL.COM To unsubscribe at any time, please follow these UNSUBSCRIBE instructions: end any email (subject and text are ignored) to POETRY-l-SIGNOFF-REQUEST at GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU or click here: ttp://gc.listserv.cuny.edu/scriptsgc/wa-gc.exe?SUBED1=POETRY-l&A=1&s=jforjames at AOL.COM -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From jforjames Mon Apr 5 14:28:23 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 14:28:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 poets from Philly Message-ID: <8CCA314BE8FF61A-1D70-EC55@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/89766117.html?page=1&c=y Seven Philadelphia-area poets to savor By John Timpane Inquirer Staff Writer It's often said - because it's true - that there are as many kinds of poetry as there are poets. No two people use language in exactly the same way. It figures, then, that poets would be even more individual, even more strongly voiced. What follows is an album of seven poets, all strong voices, who work within 50 miles of Philadelphia. We could have included dozens and dozens more; there's no way to do justice to all. We offer this album as a gesture to Philly as a truly great Poetry City. Each poet reads two poems aloud at www.philly.com/poetrymonth2010; the complete texts are there, too. We invite readers to get to know these wonderful talents better. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/2a5bd47e/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Mon Apr 5 14:50:01 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Apr 5 14:50:01 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Charles Simic to read at UConn and Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts HS, April 6 & 7 In-Reply-To: <4BBA10F9.2090306@opus40.org> References: <194433.44892.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CCA275C8D329AC-1790-24404@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> <8CCA2EF8C0E560C-1B70-C5F@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> <4BBA10F9.2090306@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4BBA4B70.9040108@opus40.org> And...no midsemester crite sheet for Brooks because he's too new? TheOldMole wrote: > Incredibly tempted, but I think too far away for this week. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> Congratulations to you all! >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, > > wrote: >> >> FYI, If you're in or near Connecticut... >> CHARLES SIMIC, 47th ANNUAL WALLACE STEVENS POETRY PROGRAM >> Tuesday April 6, 2 pm, Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts >> 15 Vernon Street Hartford, CT 06106-3203 - (860) 757-6300 >> Wednesday April 7, 8 pm, Konover Auditorium of the Dodd Center at >> the University >> of Connecticut >> Sponsored by The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. & The >> Hartford Friends >> and Enemies of Wallace Stevens >> OPEN TO THE PUBLIC--ALL WELCOME AT BOTH READINGS >> Simic, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1938 and immigrated to the >> United States in >> 1954, is the author of more than 60 books in the U.S. and abroad, >> twenty titles >> of his own poetry among them, including Selected Poems: 1963-2003 >> (2004), for >> which he received the 2005 International Griffin Poetry Prize; >> Jackstraws >> (1999), which was named a Notable Book of the Year by the New York >> Times; >> Walking the Black Cat (1996), which was a finalist for the >> National Book Award; >> and The World Doesn?t End(1990), for which he received the >> Pulitzer Prize. This event is organized by the faculty of the English >> Department >> in UConn's >> College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and by teachers and staff at >> the Greater >> Hartford Academy of the Arts. >> V. Penelope Pelizzon >> Associate Professor of English >> & Co-Director, Creative Writing Program >> University of Connecticut >> 215 Glenbrook Road U-4025 >> Storrs, CT 06269-4025 >> 860/486-3870 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 Mon Apr 5 15:21:54 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Apr 5 15:21:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry In-Reply-To: <1387440340-1270495169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-993416992-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1387440340-1270495169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-993416992-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4BBA52E9.2060708@opus40.org> A sorry excuse for an apology, almaginnes at aol.com wrote: > Maybe if you were a bit more apologetic. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:16:25 > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry > > to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing > more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not > cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read > or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either > looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse > with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought > to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for that > too. > > Apologies for cross-posting. > > Apologetically, Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 Mon Apr 5 15:24:59 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Apr 5 15:24:59 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Charles Simic to read at UConn and Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts HS, April 6 & 7 In-Reply-To: <4BBA4B70.9040108@opus40.org> References: <194433.44892.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CCA275C8D329AC-1790-24404@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> <8CCA2EF8C0E560C-1B70-C5F@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> <4BBA10F9.2090306@opus40.org> <4BBA4B70.9040108@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4BBA53A3.9040207@opus40.org> Sorry -- this was meant to go somewhere else altogether, TheOldMole wrote: > And...no midsemester crite sheet for Brooks because he's too new? > > TheOldMole wrote: >> Incredibly tempted, but I think too far away for this week. >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >>> Congratulations to you all! >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI, If you're in or near Connecticut... >>> CHARLES SIMIC, 47th ANNUAL WALLACE STEVENS POETRY PROGRAM >>> Tuesday April 6, 2 pm, Greater Hartford Academy of the Arts >>> 15 Vernon Street Hartford, CT 06106-3203 - (860) 757-6300 >>> Wednesday April 7, 8 pm, Konover Auditorium of the Dodd Center at >>> the University >>> of Connecticut >>> Sponsored by The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. & The >>> Hartford Friends >>> and Enemies of Wallace Stevens >>> OPEN TO THE PUBLIC--ALL WELCOME AT BOTH READINGS >>> Simic, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1938 and immigrated to the >>> United States in >>> 1954, is the author of more than 60 books in the U.S. and abroad, >>> twenty titles >>> of his own poetry among them, including Selected Poems: 1963-2003 >>> (2004), for >>> which he received the 2005 International Griffin Poetry Prize; >>> Jackstraws >>> (1999), which was named a Notable Book of the Year by the New York >>> Times; >>> Walking the Black Cat (1996), which was a finalist for the >>> National Book Award; >>> and The World Doesn?t End(1990), for which he received the >>> Pulitzer Prize. This event is organized by the faculty of the >>> English Department >>> in UConn's >>> College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and by teachers and staff at >>> the Greater >>> Hartford Academy of the Arts. >>> V. Penelope Pelizzon >>> Associate Professor of English >>> & Co-Director, Creative Writing Program >>> University of Connecticut >>> 215 Glenbrook Road U-4025 >>> Storrs, CT 06269-4025 >>> 860/486-3870 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>> dancing star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 5 15:26:26 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Apr 5 15:26:26 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry In-Reply-To: <4BBA52E9.2060708@opus40.org> References: <1387440340-1270495169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-993416992-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4BBA52E9.2060708@opus40.org> Message-ID: ap_pologizing in sorrification sorgizing for aplomby_xusing On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:15 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > A sorry excuse for an apology, > > > almaginnes at aol.com wrote: > >> Maybe if you were a bit more apologetic. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:16:25 To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News >> &,Views >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry >> >> to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing >> more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not >> cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read >> or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either >> looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse >> with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought >> to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for >> that >> too. >> >> Apologies for cross-posting. >> >> Apologetically, Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >> >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alos, it wouldn't hurt to apologize for all the slights, intentional or not, that he has cast my way . . . and yours . . . and, hell, just about everyone. - Jim, awaiting Hal's redemption On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > A sorry excuse for an apology, > > > almaginnes at aol.com wrote: > >> Maybe if you were a bit more apologetic. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:16:25 To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News >> &,Views >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry >> >> to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing >> more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not >> cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read >> or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either >> looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse >> with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought >> to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for >> that >> too. >> >> Apologies for cross-posting. >> >> Apologetically, Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >> >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/1f5cd54c/attachment.html From mykelmarsh Mon Apr 5 16:24:53 2010 From: mykelmarsh (mykelmarsh@comcast.net) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:24:53 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] From the New Yorker: climate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2041897359.3881771270505610663.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Change always brings with it fear and loathing for many, for example the weird behavior around health care reform. We are heading into some dangerous times because of peoples rigid ideas about the world need to loosen up, and that process makes some people a little crazy. When someone says maybe we should look at these problems and think about some solutions and people run around screaming that the sky is falling. They are not able to get past the emotional stage of thinking to look at all the information carefully. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anny Ballardini" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Monday, April 5, 2010 11:16:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [New-Poetry] From the New Yorker: climate No one has ever offered a plausible account of why thousands of scientists at hundreds of universities in dozens of countries would bother to engineer a climate hoax. Nor has anyone been able to explain why Mother Nature would keep playing along; despite what it might have felt like in the Northeast these past few months, globally it was one of the warmest winters on record. Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/04/12/100412taco_talk_kolbert#ixzz0kFciwD7h -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/0d55f80d/attachment.html From jschickling Mon Apr 5 18:04:59 2010 From: jschickling (jared schickling) Date: Mon Apr 5 18:04:59 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Sorry In-Reply-To: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Dearest Noumenon, Since your departure, I should also apologize for getting sick in public; for the cat?s teeth; for being somehow cheap or rich thereby; for my lovely wife?s treatment and for dad; for care founded on harm; for not having any right to the way another individual perceives but supposably the inviolable right to write so i can perceive and therefore seam my self, whatever that actually is; in other words, for the biggest me desires a say in the diction and semantics of any situation it perceives its self situated in; for the friction; an apology to coltan, niobium or tantalum (the former columbium) for ?active extraction phase? replacing ?mass scale looting,? my cities and NASA outsourced; copies, little finger leave such keys to identifiable gorilla?s hand for smoking watched duh; for us your food; for seeming so necessary; for increased precipitation and droughts confirming climate mode L?s notwithstanding those gone wrong; and while we?re here, for discovering those; for the manhood and the sweet-versing; moin _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100405/b267284a/attachment.html From halvard Mon Apr 5 20:20:11 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:20:11 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry In-Reply-To: References: <1387440340-1270495169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-993416992-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4BBA52E9.2060708@opus40.org> Message-ID: Redemption is for S&H Green Stamps. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:39 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Yes! ?And he needs to apologize for that. ?Alos, it wouldn't hurt to > apologize for all the slights, intentional or not, that he has cast my way . > . . and yours . . . and, hell, just about everyone. > - Jim, awaiting Hal's redemption > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, TheOldMole wrote: >> >> A sorry excuse for an apology, >> >> almaginnes at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Maybe if you were a bit more apologetic. >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:16:25 To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News >>> &,Views >>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Sorry >>> >>> to interrupt your apologies, but I want to apologize for not apologizing >>> more often than I do, especially for all the messages you have not >>> cared to read or respond to and for all the messages I have not read >>> or responded to. I'd like to apologize for anything I send that either >>> looks like spam or anything that your filtration systems might confuse >>> with spam and thus clog up your pipelines. If there is anything I ought >>> to apologize for but have no . . . well, I would like to apologize for >>> that >>> too. >>> >>> Apologies for cross-posting. >>> >>> Apologetically, Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >>> >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini Tue Apr 6 00:33:39 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue Apr 6 00:33:39 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lycidas In-Reply-To: <5fe8b.66d56086.38ebb9de@cs.com> References: <5fe8b.66d56086.38ebb9de@cs.com> Message-ID: I am sorry to say, Sam, but it was Laurie Anderson, she spent some time at the NASA to carry out research for Paradise Lost, it is all documented. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:10 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/2010 11:05:34 AM Central Daylight Time, > jforjames at aol.com writes: > > But his great elegy "Lycidas" -- arguably the most important early elegy in > English poetry -- is a masterwork that still influences contemporary poets. > More than that, "Lycidas" changed the nature of the lyric poem in English by > containing argument, doubt, lament and celebration in a single utterance. > > Published in 1638 when Milton was just 29, "Lycidas" elegizes Edward > King... > > > This is incorrect. "Lycidas," as everyone knows, was written by Robert > "Cal" Lowell, author of *Paradise Lost* and other works. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/49a689f3/attachment.html From AlMaginnes Tue Apr 6 06:29:05 2010 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:29:05 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The girl who kicked the hornet's nest Message-ID: <7f653.7fbf451f.38ec8190@aol.com> I read the first two novels in this series and liked them pretty well. Will wait for the last book to come out in paperback. In a message dated 4/6/2010 8:00:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: _http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125499739_ (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125499739) anybody knows anything of this new pandemonium / delirium? -- Anny Ballardini _http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/_ (http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/) _http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome_ (http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome) _http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078_ (http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078) _http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html_ (http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html) I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/6329671f/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Tue Apr 6 06:48:47 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:48:47 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The girl who kicked the hornet's nest In-Reply-To: <7f653.7fbf451f.38ec8190@aol.com> References: <7f653.7fbf451f.38ec8190@aol.com> Message-ID: If you say so, I will undoubtedly give it a try, thanks. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:22 PM, wrote: > I read the first two novels in this series and liked them pretty well. > Will wait for the last book to come out in paperback. > > In a message dated 4/6/2010 8:00:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125499739 > > anybody knows anything of this new pandemonium / delirium? > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/9c494f56/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Tue Apr 6 06:52:33 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:52:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mark Strand forwarded by Knopf Message-ID: Today, read and hear "Mirror" a rueful beauty by Mark Strand. The poem, originally in his 2006 collection *Man and Camel*, appears also in his *New Selected Poems*. ------------------------------ *Mirror* A white room and a party going on and I was standing with some friends under a large gilt-framed mirror that tilted slightly forward over the fireplace. We were drinking whiskey and some of us, feeling no pain, were trying to decide what precise shade of yellow the setting sun turned our drinks. I closed my eyes briefly, then looked up into the mirror: a woman in a green dress leaned against the far wall. She seemed distracted, the fingers of one hand fidgeted with her necklace, and she was staring into the mirror, not at me, but past me, into a space that might be filled by someone yet to arrive, who at that moment could be starting the journey which would lead eventually to her. Then, suddenly, my friends said it was time to move on. This was years ago, and though I have forgotten where we went and who we all were, I still recall that moment of looking up and seeing the woman stare past me into a place I could only imagine, and each time it is with a pang, as if just then I were stepping from the depths of the mirror into that white room, breathless and eager, only to discover too late that she is not there. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/ced61571/attachment.html From cervantes.james Tue Apr 6 07:40:24 2010 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Tue Apr 6 07:40:24 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mark Strand forwarded by Knopf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love the subject line. - Jim On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Today, read and hear "Mirror" a rueful beauty by Mark Strand. The poem, > originally in his 2006 collection *Man and Camel*, appears also in his *New > Selected Poems*. > ------------------------------ > > > *Mirror* > > A white room and a party going on > and I was standing with some friends > under a large gilt-framed mirror > that tilted slightly forward > over the fireplace. > We were drinking whiskey > and some of us, feeling no pain, > were trying to decide > what precise shade of yellow > the setting sun turned our drinks. > I closed my eyes briefly, > then looked up into the mirror: > a woman in a green dress leaned > against the far wall. > She seemed distracted, > the fingers of one hand > fidgeted with her necklace, > and she was staring into the mirror, > not at me, but past me, into a space > that might be filled by someone > yet to arrive, who at that moment > could be starting the journey > which would lead eventually to her. > Then, suddenly, my friends > said it was time to move on. > This was years ago, > and though I have forgotten > where we went and who we all were, > I still recall that moment of looking up > and seeing the woman stare past me > into a place I could only imagine, > and each time it is with a pang, > as if just then I were stepping > from the depths of the mirror > into that white room, breathless and eager, > only to discover too late > that she is not there. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? 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Judy On 6 April 2010 10:42, Pastor Al Schirmacher < pastoral at princetonfreechurch.net> wrote: > I wonder if the poet's (and storyteller's) historical place in society > has been taken by talk show hosts. > > Al Schirmacher > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "Southern hospitality has ten years left." --Jeff Hecker, Norfolk, VA http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/author/jprince/ Frisky Moll Press: http://judithprince.com/home.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/b335d29d/attachment.html From chris Tue Apr 6 09:41:42 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Tue Apr 6 09:41:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The girl who kicked the hornet's nest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I read the first in the series and greatly enjoyed it. When I have time I will certainly read the rest... c On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125499739 > > anybody knows anything of this new pandemonium / delirium? > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From elemenope_productions Tue Apr 6 09:59:53 2010 From: elemenope_productions (R Dillon) Date: Tue Apr 6 09:59:53 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] You Welcome the Borg the Borg Welcomes You In-Reply-To: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: The answer to this question is provided by President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic: The former totalitarian blank-eyed Thatcher-fearing statists (Marxians), who ran the failed Iron Curtain governments, have seized control of the "Environmentalist" ideology (invented by Pittsburgh's own Rachel "DDT" Carson) It is their Trojan Horse. Motorcycle fueled Global Warming is a HOAX (concocted by Dr. Mike "Cook-The-Books" Mann up at Penn State with his bogus Hockey Stick Graph [The only real data it describes is ZeroKing's break-the-bank trillions-upon-dillions budget] under the tutelage and funding of George "Goldfinger" Soros and Maurice "UN Rules" Strong. ) akin to a radicalized Chicken "Bill 'Bernadhine ''KillKillKill" Dorhn' Ayers" Little proclaiming that the sky is falling and simultaneously demanding that the same people, who brought us The Caspian Sea and the Gulags, should construct a Telly Tubby horizon-to-horizon lawn upon which humanitas, empowered by itsy-bitsy solar-powered windmill beanies, should scamper, breeding tiny Pillsbury "Robert 'GlibMouth' Gibbs" doughboys. Forever. (This rant brought to the avant garde by UN Beer, the pink beer with LSD hops, always at hand to help melt everything that is anxious for you into a nicens GREEN goo.) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/64818d54/attachment.html From junction Tue Apr 6 10:24:52 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue Apr 6 10:24:52 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] You Welcome the Borg the Borg Welcomes You In-Reply-To: References: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: It's hard to know whether this is parody. But let's say it's not, and let's say that global warming isn't happening, or isn't caused by humans, but a lot of people think it is, for good or bad reasons. Since, if it's happening, it would be catastrophic, doesn't it pay to prepare as if it's happening? Much as I buy liability insurance for my home even though someone hurting himself and suing me doesn't happen very often. Especially since most of the precautions are a good thing in themselves, and some will inevitably become necessary because fossil fuels will run out at some point, though reasonable people may differ about when. I'm suggesting that we take the vitriol out of the discussion. Surely most of us agree that smog is both ugly and causes respiratory problems, kills aquatic life and eats away at the stones of our greatest monuments, for instance. If so, why not act to limit it? And why oppose doing so because it also satisfies those we disagree with about global warming? Just trying to be reasonable. Best, Mark At 11:53 AM 4/6/2010, you wrote: >The answer to this question is provided by President Vaclav Klaus of >the Czech Republic: The former totalitarian blank-eyed >Thatcher-fearing statists (Marxians), who ran the failed Iron >Curtain governments, have seized control of the "Environmentalist" >ideology (invented by Pittsburgh's own Rachel "DDT" Carson) It is >their Trojan Horse. > >Motorcycle fueled Global Warming is a HOAX (concocted by Dr. Mike >"Cook-The-Books" Mann up at Penn State with his bogus Hockey Stick >Graph [The only real data it describes is ZeroKing's break-the-bank >trillions-upon-dillions budget] under the tutelage and funding of >George "Goldfinger" Soros and Maurice "UN Rules" Strong. ) akin to a >radicalized Chicken "Bill 'Bernadhine ''KillKillKill" Dorhn' Ayers" >Little proclaiming that the sky is falling and simultaneously >demanding that the same people, who brought us The Caspian Sea and >the Gulags, should construct a Telly Tubby horizon-to-horizon lawn >upon which humanitas, empowered by itsy-bitsy solar-powered windmill >beanies, should scamper, breeding tiny Pillsbury "Robert >'GlibMouth' Gibbs" doughboys. Forever. > >(This rant brought to the avant garde by UN Beer, the pink beer with >LSD hops, always at hand to help melt everything that is anxious for >you into a nicens GREEN goo.) > >---------- >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more >from your inbox. >See >how. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100406/fc0199b6/attachment-0001.html From Opus40-01 Tue Apr 6 15:04:34 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Tue Apr 6 15:04:34 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] You Welcome the Borg the Borg Welcomes You In-Reply-To: References: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4BBBA06D.2040709@opus40.org> It's not parody. Mark Weiss wrote: > It's hard to know whether this is parody. But let's say it's not, and > let's say that global warming isn't happening, or isn't caused by > humans, but a lot of people think it is, for good or bad reasons. > Since, if it's happening, it would be catastrophic, doesn't it pay to > prepare as if it's happening? Much as I buy liability insurance for my > home even though someone hurting himself and suing me doesn't happen > very often. Especially since most of the precautions are a good thing > in themselves, and some will inevitably become necessary because > fossil fuels will run out at some point, though reasonable people may > differ about when. > > I'm suggesting that we take the vitriol out of the discussion. Surely > most of us agree that smog is both ugly and causes respiratory > problems, kills aquatic life and eats away at the stones of our > greatest monuments, for instance. If so, why not act to limit it? And > why oppose doing so because it also satisfies those we disagree with > about global warming? > > Just trying to be reasonable. > > Best, > > Mark > > > At 11:53 AM 4/6/2010, you wrote: >> The answer to this question is provided by President Vaclav Klaus of >> the Czech Republic: The former totalitarian blank-eyed >> Thatcher-fearing statists (Marxians), who ran the failed Iron Curtain >> governments, have seized control of the "Environmentalist" ideology >> (invented by Pittsburgh's own Rachel "DDT" Carson) It is their >> Trojan Horse. >> >> Motorcycle fueled Global Warming is a HOAX (concocted by Dr. Mike >> "Cook-The-Books" Mann up at Penn State with his bogus Hockey Stick >> Graph [The only real data it describes is ZeroKing's break-the-bank >> trillions-upon-dillions budget] under the tutelage and funding of >> George "Goldfinger" Soros and Maurice "UN Rules" Strong. ) akin to a >> radicalized Chicken "Bill 'Bernadhine ''KillKillKill" Dorhn' Ayers" >> Little proclaiming that the sky is falling and simultaneously >> demanding that the same people, who brought us The Caspian Sea and >> the Gulags, should construct a Telly Tubby horizon-to-horizon lawn >> upon which humanitas, empowered by itsy-bitsy solar-powered windmill >> beanies, should scamper, breeding tiny Pillsbury "Robert 'GlibMouth' >> Gibbs" doughboys. Forever. >> >> (This rant brought to the avant garde by UN Beer, the pink beer with >> LSD hops, always at hand to help melt everything that is anxious for >> you into a nicens GREEN goo.) >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from >> your inbox. See how. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University > of California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's /Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry/ has a bilingual anthology so > effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United > States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in > English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in /The > Nation/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From junction Tue Apr 6 15:30:40 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue Apr 6 15:30:40 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] You Welcome the Borg the Borg Welcomes You In-Reply-To: <4BBBA06D.2040709@opus40.org> References: <201004051926.o35JQSpu008449@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <4BBBA06D.2040709@opus40.org> Message-ID: An interesting phenomenon that issues with which a given individual may have little concern become elevated to ineluctable parts of a belief system. In the US the right espouses freedom to carry any kind of weapon anywhere, abstinence education, opposition to climate change adjustments, school prayer, phonetic reading instruction, and a long list of other things with an equal degree of fight-to-the-death passion. I could understand if the faith were across-the-board libertarianism, but it's not--the same folks would mostly vehemently oppose gay rights and legalized drugs. The motivation, as far as I can tell, is dislike of people who take the opposite tack rather than much to do with the individual issues. Or so it seems to me. Best, Mark At 04:58 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote: >It's not parody. > >Mark Weiss wrote: >>It's hard to know whether this is parody. But let's say it's not, >>and let's say that global warming isn't happening, or isn't caused >>by humans, but a lot of people think it is, for good or bad >>reasons. Since, if it's happening, it would be catastrophic, >>doesn't it pay to prepare as if it's happening? Much as I buy >>liability insurance for my home even though someone hurting himself >>and suing me doesn't happen very often. Especially since most of >>the precautions are a good thing in themselves, and some will >>inevitably become necessary because >>fossil fuels will run out at some point, though reasonable people >>may differ about when. >> >>I'm suggesting that we take the vitriol out of the discussion. >>Surely most of us agree that smog is both ugly and causes >>respiratory problems, kills aquatic life and eats away at the >>stones of our greatest monuments, for instance. If so, why not act >>to limit it? And why oppose doing so because it also satisfies >>those we disagree with about global warming? >> >>Just trying to be reasonable. >> >>Best, >> >>Mark >> >> >>At 11:53 AM 4/6/2010, you wrote: >>>The answer to this question is provided by President Vaclav Klaus >>>of the Czech Republic: The former totalitarian blank-eyed >>>Thatcher-fearing statists (Marxians), who ran the failed Iron >>>Curtain governments, have seized control of the "Environmentalist" >>>ideology (invented by Pittsburgh's own Rachel "DDT" Carson) It is >>>their Trojan Horse. >>> >>>Motorcycle fueled Global Warming is a HOAX (concocted by Dr. Mike >>>"Cook-The-Books" Mann up at Penn State with his bogus Hockey Stick >>>Graph [The only real data it describes is ZeroKing's >>>break-the-bank trillions-upon-dillions budget] under the tutelage >>>and funding of George "Goldfinger" Soros and Maurice "UN Rules" >>>Strong. ) akin to a radicalized Chicken "Bill 'Bernadhine >>>''KillKillKill" Dorhn' Ayers" Little proclaiming that the sky is >>>falling and simultaneously demanding that the same people, who >>>brought us The Caspian Sea and the Gulags, should construct a >>>Telly Tubby horizon-to-horizon lawn upon which humanitas, >>>empowered by itsy-bitsy solar-powered windmill beanies, should >>>scamper, breeding tiny Pillsbury "Robert 'GlibMouth' Gibbs" >>>doughboys. Forever. >>> >>>(This rant brought to the avant garde by UN Beer, the pink beer >>>with LSD hops, always at hand to help melt everything that is >>>anxious for you into a nicens GREEN goo.) >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more >>>from your inbox. See how. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>New-Poetry mailing list >>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >>Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* >>(University of California Press). >>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland >> >>"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's /Random House Book >>of Twentieth Century French Poetry/ has a bilingual anthology so >>effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the >>United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems >>in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in >>/The Nation/ >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >-- >Tad Richards >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. 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The author of over 40 books, Page made the Canadian short list for Coal and Roses, alongside Kate Hall for The Certainty Dream and Karen Solie for Pigeon. "It marks the close of a long and creative life," judges said of Coal and Roses. "How heartening to be reminded that creativity, zest and curiosity can endure, even flourish, into great old age." Solie was praised by judges for her rocketing "upward trajectory" since releasing her first collection of poems in 2001. She was also called one of the country?s best poets. "Pigeon is yet another leap forward for this singer of existential bewilderment," the judges wrote. "Once again, Solie shows that her ear is impeccable, her poetic intelligence rare and razor-sharp." The prize is awarded by the Griffin Trust, which was founded in 2000 by chairman Scott Griffin and other trustees including Margaret Atwood and Michael Ondaatje. This year?s international shortlisted books are Grain by John Glenday, A Village Life by Louise Gluck, The Sun-fish by Eilean Ni Chuilleanain and Cold Spring in Winter, written by Valerie Rouzeau in French and translated by Susan Wicks. Last year?s winners were A.F. Moritz of Toronto and C.D. Wright of Providence, R.I. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With the publication of Poetry in Person: Twenty-five Years of Conversation with America?s Poets, editor Alexander Neubauer shares a selection of that fascinating material with the public for the first time. London had made recordings of all her seminars... http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2010/0407/Poetry-in-Person -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other hand, readers who have tracked the contributions McNair has made to the literary heritage of Maine and beyond will appreciate having some of the best examples of his poetic vision all in one place. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100407/8d97833b/attachment.html From jeff.newberry Wed Apr 7 13:18:18 2010 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed Apr 7 13:18:18 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] James Baldwin's "The Uses of the Blues" Message-ID: Does anyone know if James Baldwin's essay "The Uses of the Blues" is online somewhere? I've already Googled until my fingers are bleeding, so unless you know some Google tricks I don't know, you probably won't find it there. I also can't seem to find it anthologized anywhere. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100408/d172b9ee/attachment.html From chris Thu Apr 8 10:45:55 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Thu Apr 8 10:45:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hanging out with poetry pillar David Lehman In-Reply-To: <8CCA5359C12CD5D-1F4C-245E@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA5359C12CD5D-1F4C-245E@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This article is serious Bob-bait... c On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, wrote: > http://www.thevillager.com/villager_362/hangingout.html > David Lehman standing in front of a bookshelf ? nature?s Kindle! > Prolific editor, poet dazzles with decathlon-like skills > BY STEPHEN WOLF From bobgrumman Thu Apr 8 12:30:18 2010 From: bobgrumman (bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net) Date: Thu Apr 8 12:30:18 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hanging out with poetry pillar David Lehman Message-ID: <99da606732ca4b72aba99645028dc3ca.bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net> This article is serious Bob-bait... 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But I'm trying to be a good boy, Chris, and this post is all your fault. --Bob _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100408/4de86c64/attachment.html From jforjames Thu Apr 8 21:26:34 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 21:26:34 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: James Haug's "I've Got People In Town" Message-ID: <8CCA5AAC0ADEA32-1924-C7A2@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> I?ve Got People In Town When I woke up it was years later. My cigar had gone out. A wing chair stood in a corner of a trailer in lower Florida, from which I arose, my tweed suit unsuitable for July. I stepped outside onto a milk crate. My neighbor adored me. It was the Fourth, and she went on washing dishes, winking over a flowerbox of plastic gladiolas. I was hoping for a long afternoon. The sea-green petals of her housedress trembled like postage stamps from a small country. Blue mussel shells smoldered in the driveway, heat shimmying off the guardrail. My shadow snuck back under my shoes. A Volkswagen sat at the curb, the People?s Car. And at the wheel my trusted guide, Wendell, to whom I also dictate. Dear Floridians, I began, I will need more money, and my dog. ?James Haug, Legend of the Recent Past (The National Poetry Review Press, 2009) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100408/54c3b801/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Fri Apr 9 05:48:06 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri Apr 9 05:48:06 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: James Haug's "I've Got People In Town" In-Reply-To: <8CCA5AAC0ADEA32-1924-C7A2@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA5AAC0ADEA32-1924-C7A2@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It just seems today, sunny and in full spring! On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:20 AM, wrote: > I?ve Got People In Town > > When I woke up it was years later. > My cigar had gone out. > A wing chair stood in a corner of a trailer > in lower Florida, from which I arose, > my tweed suit unsuitable for July. > I stepped outside onto a milk crate. > My neighbor adored me. It was the Fourth, > and she went on washing dishes, > winking over a flowerbox of plastic gladiolas. > I was hoping for a long afternoon. > The sea-green petals of her housedress trembled > like postage stamps from a small country. > Blue mussel shells smoldered in the driveway, > heat shimmying off the guardrail. > My shadow snuck back under my shoes. > A Volkswagen sat at the curb, > the People?s Car. And at the wheel > my trusted guide, Wendell, to whom > I also dictate. Dear Floridians, I began, > I will need more money, and my dog. > > ?James Haug, Legend of the Recent Past (The National Poetry Review Press, > 2009) > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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London?s death in 2003 > meant that these intimate conversations (occurring over nearly three > decades) were forever gone. > > With the publication of *Poetry in Person: Twenty-five Years of > Conversation with America?s Poets*, editor Alexander Neubauer shares a > selection of that fascinating material with the public for the first time. > > London had made recordings of all her seminars... > > http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2010/0407/Poetry-in-Person > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100409/1a0762b1/attachment.html From heatherjunegibbons Fri Apr 9 06:52:50 2010 From: heatherjunegibbons (Heather June Gibbons) Date: Fri Apr 9 06:52:50 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: James Haug's "I've Got People In Town" In-Reply-To: <8CCA5AAC0ADEA32-1924-C7A2@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA5AAC0ADEA32-1924-C7A2@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I really like this one. Thanks for sending it to us. -Heather Gibbons On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:20 PM, wrote: > I?ve Got People In Town > > When I woke up it was years later. > My cigar had gone out. > A wing chair stood in a corner of a trailer > in lower Florida, from which I arose, > my tweed suit unsuitable for July. > I stepped outside onto a milk crate. > My neighbor adored me. It was the Fourth, > and she went on washing dishes, > winking over a flowerbox of plastic gladiolas. > I was hoping for a long afternoon. > The sea-green petals of her housedress trembled > like postage stamps from a small country. > Blue mussel shells smoldered in the driveway, > heat shimmying off the guardrail. > My shadow snuck back under my shoes. > A Volkswagen sat at the curb, > the People?s Car. And at the wheel > my trusted guide, Wendell, to whom > I also dictate. Dear Floridians, I began, > I will need more money, and my dog. > > ?James Haug, Legend of the Recent Past (The National Poetry Review Press, > 2009) > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Poets such as Robert Creeley and James Schuyler anticipated today's twittering and texting by nearly half a century," Bennett said. "Their poems provide seemingly mundane updates about their daily lives, using grammatically suspect sentence structure and shorthand notation to great effect." _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1millimeter=.] The human eye can see things as small as 200 micrometers, making this bacteria the first one to actually be visible to the naked eye. To give you a better idea of how big this bacterium really is, "normal-sized" bacteria are only about 0.2 micrometers to about 1.5 micrometers in length or diameter. Read more at Suite101: A Giant Among Bacteria http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/microbiology/19337#ixzz0kcELt9rn -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:56 am Subject: [New-Poetry] weird science http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/03/st_dnapoetry/ Canadian poet Christian B?k wants his work to live on after he?s gone. Like, billions of years after. He?s going to encode it directly into the DNA of the hardy bacteria Deinococcus radiodurans. If it works, his poem could outlast the human race. But it?s a tricky procedure, and B?k is doing what he can to make it even trickier. - _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What comes around goes around. -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:31 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Rut Roh "With ?All the Whiskey in Heaven,? his first book not published by a university or independent press, Bernstein takes his place in the mainstream of American poetry." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/books/review/Fried-t.html?nl=books&emc=booksupdateema3 -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, David Graham wrote: > Very interesting threadlet over at the Harriet blog. > > 1. First read Kwame Davis's entry "A Day of Amnesty." > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/a-day-of-amnesty/ > > 2. Then read Patricia Smith's reply to it, "Bull Bits." > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/bull-bits/#more-10219 > > 3. Discuss. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/eee812ea/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sat Apr 10 11:04:22 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat Apr 10 11:04:22 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Marina Tvsetaeva Message-ID: *My Ear Attends to You* My ear attends to you, as a mother hears in her sleep. To a feverish child, she whispers as I bend over you. At the skin, my blood calls out to your heart, my whole sky craves an island of tenderness. My rivers tilt towards you. And I am drawn downwards as stairs slope into a garden, or some willow's bough falls straight down, away from the milestone. Stars are pulled to the earth and laurels on graves won with suffering, attract banners. An owl longs for a hollow. And I lean down towards you with muscle and wing, as if to a grave stone, (I put the years to sleep) my lips seek yours...like spring. --Selected Poems, tr. Elain Feinstein, Penguin [recycling from the WOM-PO] -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <864F87A5-600C-4E2F-8975-30C07ACF83EE@verizon.net> References: <201004101600.o3AG04gX018815@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <864F87A5-600C-4E2F-8975-30C07ACF83EE@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CCA708F932B3B9-BD8-DF5E@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Somewhat related to this topic, Daisy Fried from the review Tad pointed us to: This selection of Bernstein?s work doesn?t neglect his early experiments. ?Lift Off,? apparently transcribed from a typewriter correction tape, begins ?HH/ ie,s obVrsxr;atjrn dugh seineopcv i iibalfmgmMw.? A sympathetic reader appreciates the grunting ?dugh,? the fortuitous trip to Paris implied by ?seine,? the broken ?s ob,? the loneliness of the lowercase ?i.? This is a conceptual poem ? you may be more excited to know it exists than to read through it. ?Daisy Fried, ?Poet and Anti-Poet,? her review of Charles Bernstein?s All the Whiskey in Heaven (FSG, 2010), New York Times Sunday Book Review, April 11, 2010, posted online April 7. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Spacks To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:52 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Patricia Smith for President! On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Hal wrote: > > When I find a poem difficult I just make sure its leash is attached > before I take it for a walk. > as many do, friend Hal, mistaking a dog for a poem. (one more jab allowed? -- a reprisal label for "mainstream" and "quietude": Naked-Emperor Poems. disrespectfully, Barry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And it's not really conceptualism or language poetry that is a problem. (The latter is such 'old hat', pace Daisy Fried's review.) All strange manners of poetry have as much right a slam poetry (itself once a strange manner) to our hearts and minds. Kwame is asking the reader to show some gumption, not to go-along-to-get-along. He's not shooting the messenger (the writers). He's saying he's not going to be joining 'Readers Without Borders'. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:23 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? Very interesting threadlet over at the Harriet blog. 1. First read Kwame Davis's entry "A Day of Amnesty." http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/a-day-of-amnesty/ 2. Then read Patricia Smith's reply to it, "Bull Bits." http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/bull-bits/#more-10219 3. Discuss. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/2f843195/attachment.html From david.weinstock Sat Apr 10 16:49:03 2010 From: david.weinstock (David Weinstock) Date: Sat Apr 10 16:49:03 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm all for poems making sense. I don't deny that sometime I can charmed by nonsense poems, senseless poems, and insensitive poems. But in general, I am pro-sense. This may be a prejudice based on having attended or led about 1000 poetry workshop sessions. Even the worst workshop, regardless of leadership or personnel, can unfailingly do one thing well: detect confusing, incomprehensible, or uncommunicative work. A poet may say that he doesn't care about making sense, but it's bluff and bluster. Anyway, those people usually stomp off mad and never return to the workshop. We all want to be heard and understood. No other kind of writer -- no novelist, essayist, journalist, pundit, playwright, or songwriter -- would claim not to care if he is understood. Make sense. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How is Dobyns or "leaping image" or langpo new? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From junction Sat Apr 10 18:01:07 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Sat Apr 10 18:01:07 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot felt compelled to footnote The Wasteland. By the eighteenth century the metaphysicals were considered a challenge, as well, and until the mid twentieth century Blake's prophetic books were widely considered ravings. Best, Mark At 06:43 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: >I'm all for poems making sense. I don't deny that sometime I can >charmed by nonsense poems, senseless poems, and insensitive poems. >But in general, I am pro-sense. > >This may be a prejudice based on having attended or led about 1000 >poetry workshop sessions. Even the worst workshop, regardless of >leadership or personnel, can unfailingly do one thing well: detect >confusing, incomprehensible, or uncommunicative work. > >A poet may say that he doesn't care about making sense, but it's >bluff and bluster. Anyway, those people usually stomp off mad and >never return to the workshop. > >We all want to be heard and understood. No other kind of writer -- >no novelist, essayist, journalist, pundit, playwright, or songwriter >-- would claim not to care if he is understood. > >Make sense. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/5452a80f/attachment.html From david.weinstock Sat Apr 10 19:16:23 2010 From: david.weinstock (David Weinstock) Date: Sat Apr 10 19:16:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I still consider Blake's prophetic books to be ravings, but I forgive him for it. David Weinstock / 240 Woodland Park / Middlebury, VT 05753 / 802-388-6939 On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all > considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot felt > compelled to footnote The Wasteland. By the eighteenth century the > metaphysicals were considered a challenge, as well, and until the mid > twentieth century Blake's prophetic books were widely considered ravings. > > Best, > > Mark > > > > At 06:43 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: > > I'm all for poems making sense. I don't deny that sometime I can charmed by > nonsense poems, senseless poems, and insensitive poems. But in general, I am > pro-sense. > > This may be a prejudice based on having attended or led about 1000 poetry > workshop sessions. Even the worst workshop, regardless of leadership or > personnel, can unfailingly do one thing well: detect confusing, > incomprehensible, or uncommunicative work. > > A poet may say that he doesn't care about making sense, but it's bluff and > bluster. Anyway, those people usually stomp off mad and never return to the > workshop. > > We all want to be heard and understood. No other kind of writer -- no > novelist, essayist, journalist, pundit, playwright, or songwriter -- would > claim not to care if he is understood. > > Make sense. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/88ec33ab/attachment.html From grahamd Sat Apr 10 19:34:38 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat Apr 10 19:34:38 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Barbaric AWP Message-ID: <4CDE8D66-6071-41C3-B3C5-DB979FB31947@ripon.edu> I'm not attending the AWP conference this year, but word has reached me that this year's gathering (ending tonight in Denver) was larger than the MLA convention. Not sure what that might mean, but I'm sure it means something. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/a6df920e/attachment.html From chris Sat Apr 10 19:43:48 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Sat Apr 10 19:43:48 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating rather different modes of incomprehensibility? C From almaginnes Sat Apr 10 19:46:58 2010 From: almaginnes (almaginnes@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 10 19:46:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Barbaric AWP In-Reply-To: <4CDE8D66-6071-41C3-B3C5-DB979FB31947@ripon.edu> References: <4CDE8D66-6071-41C3-B3C5-DB979FB31947@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <303097758-1270950081-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2117289692-@bda908.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Means I'm glad I skipped it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:29:02 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Barbaric AWP _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction Sat Apr 10 19:50:53 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Sat Apr 10 19:50:53 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: No, I'm simply reporting. My mother remembers one of her English profs saying as much about Stevens. At 09:38 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: >Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, >really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating >rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > >C >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thirty years in the classroom have convinced me that to the majority of undergraduates, all poetry is difficult. I routinely have students tell me that Billy Collins, that boogieman of the hospitable, is too hard. And Patricia Smith? Well, if you haven't read her much since her slam days, I'm here to tell you: she can be as dense and difficult as anyone when she wishes. She's far from a simple all-emotive ranter. My students certainly find many poems in Smith's *Teahouse of the Almighty* quite challenging, and *Blood Dazzler*, too. And so do I. Yet when I ask them to analyze a poem of their choice, frequently they select poems or song lyrics that I myself find very obscure. So: they don't "understand" poetry, often, but that fact in itself doesn't necessarily bother them. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > > C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/f9c12119/attachment.html From junction Sat Apr 10 21:25:08 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Sat Apr 10 21:25:08 2010 Subject: PS Re: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Mallarme isn't remotely incomprehensible, but he takes a lot of effort. French helps. If you know what you want to say, why bother to write it? At 09:38 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/463ce24d/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Sat Apr 10 21:56:20 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Sat Apr 10 21:56:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Barbaric AWP Message-ID: In a message dated 4/10/2010 8:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > I'm not attending the AWP conference this year, but word has reached me > that this year's gathering (ending tonight in Denver) was larger than the MLA > convention. > > Not sure what that might mean, but I'm sure it means something. > It means what you said in your title. See how the heathen rage? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100410/f9d65286/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 11 01:27:37 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 11 01:27:37 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It is quite a difficult topic, and it is even more difficult to talk about it in general, without any specific examples. In class I usually take the person in consideration, rather than the poem. For example, if Hal wrote an incomprehensible (for me) poem, I would simply ask myself why Hal had such an idea, and what on earth he tried to convey; if I come up with something, then the poem _as far as I know_ might be good. Pound is very distant from simple human understanding when you first face him, as much as Dante is. You need a solid historical and cultural background to start reading them. But when in class the sloppiest student wants to sell me a couple of mistaken words, then be sure that I will never buy them. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > No, I'm simply reporting. My mother remembers one of her English profs > saying as much about Stevens. > > > At 09:38 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: > > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > > C > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/80ab631f/attachment.html From bobgrumman Sun Apr 11 06:59:51 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 11 06:59:51 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BC1D524.4090009@nut-n-but.net> David Weinstock wrote: > I'm all for poems making sense. I don't deny that sometime I can > charmed by nonsense poems, senseless poems, and insensitive poems. But > in general, I am pro-sense. > > This may be a prejudice based on having attended or led about 1000 > poetry workshop sessions. Even the worst workshop, regardless of > leadership or personnel, can unfailingly do one thing well: detect > confusing, incomprehensible, or uncommunicative work. This is totally untrue. I have hundreds of times witnessing people failing to understand a poem and unable to believe anything could be wrong with their ability to understand poems, so characterizing the poem as nonsense. Sometimes, I have been able to point out what they're missing (usually not because they're stupid but because they're inexperienced with unconventional poems) and they have realized they were wrong about the poem. Absolute proof that even brilliant critics of poetry can mistakenly consider a poem meaningless is the fact that I MySelf have OFTEN been skunked by a poem someone else finally explains to me. On the other hand, SOME poems ARE nonsense. For me, any poem that NO ONE can manage a plausible paraphrase of within twenty years of the poem's composition is nonsense. Or a poem one knows to have been randomly generated or composed by a known lunatic. Any poem discussed by knowledgeable people for less than twenty years should be presumed innocent of incoherence. > A poet may say that he doesn't care about making sense, but it's bluff > and bluster. Anyway, those people usually stomp off mad and never > return to the workshop. > > We all want to be heard and understood. No other kind of writer -- no > novelist, essayist, journalist, pundit, playwright, or songwriter -- > would claim not to care if he is understood. > > Make sense. But avoid making sense too easily. Unless all you want is the applause of others without poetic ambition. (I haven't read the poem under discussion yet, by the way.) --Bob From bobgrumman Sun Apr 11 07:28:14 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 11 07:28:14 2010 Subject: PS Re: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu><8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BC1DBCE.9040307@nut-n-but.net> Mark Weiss wrote: > Mallarme isn't remotely incomprehensible, but he takes a lot of > effort. French helps. > > If you know what you want to say, why bother to write it? To find out how best to say it? To find out if it's what you want to say, or all you want to say, or even /if/ you can say it? To see if it will get you to say something else? Because no one else has said it and it's worth saying? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/bfd4744a/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 11 07:42:30 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 11 07:42:30 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] James Baldwin's "The Uses of the Blues" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, sorry, I gave it a try in a couple of almost sure places, but nothing. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Does anyone know if James Baldwin's essay "The Uses of the Blues" is online > somewhere? I've already Googled until my fingers are bleeding, so unless > you know some Google tricks I don't know, you probably won't find it there. > > I also can't seem to find it anthologized anywhere. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/78574bbd/attachment.html From chris Sun Apr 11 11:59:44 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Sun Apr 11 11:59:44 2010 Subject: PS Re: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't speak any French, so I can't speak to Mallarme in the original, but a lot of his work is incomprehensible to me, in a way that isn't even in the same galaxy as Stevens. As to your 2nd question-- what you seem to posit as a solution (writing without knowing what one wants to say) is just what I see as the problem. Different aesthetics, I guess. I enjoy poetry that is crafted precisely to say something. I understand there are many other kinds, some I like, some I don't. c On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Mallarme isn't remotely incomprehensible, but he takes a lot of effort. > French helps. > > If you know what you want to say, why bother to write it? > > At 09:38 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote: > > Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it."?? John Palattella in The Nation > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From chris Sun Apr 11 12:01:22 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Sun Apr 11 12:01:22 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:02 PM, David Graham wrote: > "Different modes of incomprehensibility" gets at something I've been > thinking. ?It seems that one of our difficulties, as it were, lies in the > terms themselves, "difficulty" no less than "accessibility," along with the > binary thinking that too often follows their deployment. This is what I'm getting at. I find it hard to believe that, at any point, someone tried to read Stevens and felt that it was incomprehensible in the *same way* that many language poets are. There are many levels of meaning in Stevens, but at the simplest level he still writes using syntax and grammar that people can make some sense of. c > As reader I get as irked as David Weinstock or Patricia Smith with poems > that seem not to want to be understood--but there we go again: ?by > "understand" I don't mean "reduce" or "paraphrase," which is commonly a > charge leveled when I say such things. > And another thing. ?Thirty years in the classroom have convinced me that to > the majority of undergraduates, all poetry is difficult. ?I routinely have > students tell me that Billy Collins, that boogieman of the hospitable, is > too hard. ?And Patricia Smith? ?Well, if you haven't read her much since her > slam days, I'm here to tell you: ?she can be as dense and difficult as > anyone when she wishes. ?She's far from a simple all-emotive ranter. > My students certainly find many poems in Smith's *Teahouse of the Almighty* > quite challenging, and *Blood Dazzler*, too. ?And so do I. ?Yet when I ask > them to analyze a poem of their choice, frequently they select poems or song > lyrics that I myself find very obscure. ?So: ?they don't "understand" > poetry, often, but that fact in itself doesn't necessarily bother them. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > > C > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From barry.spacks Sun Apr 11 12:45:28 2010 From: barry.spacks (Barry Spacks) Date: Sun Apr 11 12:45:28 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: almost successfully In-Reply-To: <201004111600.o3BG055O031053@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <201004111600.o3BG055O031053@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <7B893FAE-F11C-4E05-916F-F481C0E5260F@verizon.net> On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Mark wrote: > > It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all > considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot > felt compelled to footnote The Wasteland. I take Stevens' lines as central to this thread: "The poem must resist the intelligence / Almost successfully," Who'd likely speak against "slant," innovation, challenge? I see the matter of the possibly-incomprehensible as posing the question of good faith / bad faith. Not for the world would I want to shout down a new Waste Land. But when what seems arbitrary becomes not only fashionable but often vigorously political against all styles other than its own, one might do well to register how easy it is to work by mere rumble, flash and free association, resistance to which is like not wanting to hear (at too great a length and insistence) another's whacky dream. Little control, filter, music, coherence, theme -- doesn't one naturally wonder if much is being offered beyond narcissistic self-display (or worse, a modish aesthetic Ponzi scheme). Thus I fall back -- granted with the possible loss of a true gem in the run-off -- on the sad rubric "Naked-Emperor Poetry." defensively, Barry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/42ba69ae/attachment.html From junction Sun Apr 11 13:36:50 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun Apr 11 13:36:50 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: It might be a good idea to give the term "language poet" a rest. Language poets were so=called because they published in a long-defunct journal called Language. A bunch of friends and acquaintances who were and are extremely varied in their approach to poetry. If one needs a bete noir, best to give him/her a proper name. But yes, of course there are different kinds of difficulty. Jose Lezama Lima, on anybody's top four or five list of twntieth century latin american poets, made it his motto that "s?lo lo dif?cil es estimulante." There are a bunch of ways to translate this. Here's one: "Only that which is difficult stimulates growth." Here's the first stanza of his long poem Pensamientos en La Habana as translated by James Irby. The Spanish means "my soul is not in an ashtray." THOUGHTS IN HAVANA Because I dwell in a whisper like a set of sails, a land where ice is a reminiscence, fire cannot hoist a bird and burn it in a conversation calm in style. Though that style doesn?t dictate to me a sob and a tenuous hop lets me live in bad humor, I will not recognize the useless movement of a mask floating where I cannot, where I cannot transport the stonecutter or the door latch to the museums where murders are papered while the judges point out the squirrel that straightens its stockings with its tail. If a previous style shakes the tree, it decides the sob of two hairs and exclaims: mi alma no est? en un cenicero. It doesn't get any easier. It's I think a very great poem, and the burden of opinion is with me. The issue is one of trust: if something about a poem that I don't understand leads me to want more I keep reading, and rereading. It's the sense one has that there is some kind of sense here, even if it's not expressible in terms other than those of the poem (certainly not in other terms that are as concise--a poem derives much of its power from sheer density of information). This is true of Mallarme, who is universally revered by French poetry lovers and by much of the rest of the world's poets, and of Stevens. (Lezama, by the way, corresponded with Stevens and published him in Spanish.) And I don't think it's dependent on whether or not some of the difficulty is syntactic. A musical analogy. Once upon a time in the not so distant past people threw tomatoes at the stage during a performance of Rite of Spring. Now everyone knows how to listen to it. In those days much of the modern canon was considered unplayable or heroically difficult. Now every conservatory student graduates knowing how to play polyrhythmic or microtonal scores, to the extent that performers have to engineer back into some performances the appearance of difficulty that the composer intended. This is not to say that all modernist (or if you prefer pomo) music or poetry is worth bothering with. Most of what's written at any moment is trash or at least forgettable if competent. To complain that that's true of a particular kind of poetry as if it weren't equally true of whatever kind one espouses seems myopic to say the least. Of course, to be able to decide which poems in an unfamiliar mode one has a chance to learn from and which to dismiss one has to acquire familiarity. Life is tough. Best, Mark At 01:55 PM 4/11/2010, you wrote: >On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:02 PM, David Graham wrote: > > "Different modes of incomprehensibility" gets at something I've been > > thinking. It seems that one of our difficulties, as it were, lies in the > > terms themselves, "difficulty" no less than "accessibility," along with the > > binary thinking that too often follows their deployment. > >This is what I'm getting at. I find it hard to believe that, at any >point, someone tried to read Stevens and felt that it was >incomprehensible in the *same way* that many language poets are. There >are many levels of meaning in Stevens, but at the simplest level he >still writes using syntax and grammar that people can make some sense >of. > >c > > > As reader I get as irked as David Weinstock or Patricia Smith with poems > > that seem not to want to be understood--but there we go again: by > > "understand" I don't mean "reduce" or "paraphrase," which is commonly a > > charge leveled when I say such things. > > And another thing. Thirty years in the classroom have convinced me that to > > the majority of undergraduates, all poetry is difficult. I routinely have > > students tell me that Billy Collins, that boogieman of the hospitable, is > > too hard. And Patricia Smith? Well, if you > haven't read her much since her > > slam days, I'm here to tell you: she can be as dense and difficult as > > anyone when she wishes. She's far from a simple all-emotive ranter. > > My students certainly find many poems in Smith's *Teahouse of the Almighty* > > quite challenging, and *Blood Dazzler*, too. And so do I. Yet when I ask > > them to analyze a poem of their choice, > frequently they select poems or song > > lyrics that I myself find very obscure. So: they don't "understand" > > poetry, often, but that fact in itself doesn't necessarily bother them. > > > > > > ======================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > > > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, > > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating > > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > > > > C > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I won't prromulgate it beyond Tuesday's class. Thanks! David Weinstock / 240 Woodland Park / Middlebury, VT 05753 / 802-388-6939 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/0fd7cc99/attachment.html From cervantes.james Sun Apr 11 14:48:51 2010 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Sun Apr 11 14:48:51 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Thank you, Mark, for the one post that sang this subject to me. And thanks to Lezama too, of course. - Jim On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > It might be a good idea to give the term "language poet" a rest. Language > poets were so=called because they published in a long-defunct journal called > Language. A bunch of friends and acquaintances who were and are extremely > varied in their approach to poetry. If one needs a bete noir, best to give > him/her a proper name. > > But yes, of course there are different kinds of difficulty. Jose Lezama > Lima, on anybody's top four or five list of twntieth century latin american > poets, made it his motto that "s?lo lo dif?cil es estimulante." There are a > bunch of ways to translate this. Here's one: "Only that which is difficult > stimulates growth." Here's the first stanza of his long poem Pensamientos en > La Habana as translated by James Irby. The Spanish means "my soul is not in > an ashtray." > > *THOUGHTS IN HAVANA > > *Because I dwell in a whisper like a set of sails, > a land where ice is a reminiscence, > fire cannot hoist a bird > and burn it in a conversation calm in style. > Though that style doesn?t dictate to me a sob > and a tenuous hop lets me live in bad humor, > I will not recognize the useless movement > of a mask floating where I cannot, > where I cannot transport the stonecutter or the door latch > to the museums where murders are papered > while the judges point out the squirrel > that straightens its stockings with its tail. > If a previous style shakes the tree, > it decides the sob of two hairs and exclaims: > *mi alma no est? en un cenicero*. > > > It doesn't get any easier. It's I think a very great poem, and the burden > of opinion is with me. The issue is one of trust: if something about a poem > that I don't understand leads me to want more I keep reading, and rereading. > It's the sense one has that there is some kind of sense here, even if it's > not expressible in terms other than those of the poem (certainly not in > other terms that are as concise--a poem derives much of its power from sheer > density of information). This is true of Mallarme, who is universally > revered by French poetry lovers and by much of the rest of the world's > poets, and of Stevens. (Lezama, by the way, corresponded with Stevens and > published him in Spanish.) And I don't think it's dependent on whether or > not some of the difficulty is syntactic. > > A musical analogy. Once upon a time in the not so distant past people threw > tomatoes at the stage during a performance of Rite of Spring. Now everyone > knows how to listen to it. In those days much of the modern canon was > considered unplayable or heroically difficult. Now every conservatory > student graduates knowing how to play polyrhythmic or microtonal scores, to > the extent that performers have to engineer back into some performances the > appearance of difficulty that the composer intended. > > This is not to say that all modernist (or if you prefer pomo) music or > poetry is worth bothering with. Most of what's written at any moment is > trash or at least forgettable if competent. To complain that that's true of > a particular kind of poetry as if it weren't equally true of whatever kind > one espouses seems myopic to say the least. > > Of course, to be able to decide which poems in an unfamiliar mode one has a > chance to learn from and which to dismiss one has to acquire familiarity. > Life is tough. > > Best, > > Mark > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/f50a6547/attachment.html From halvard Sun Apr 11 15:23:20 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun Apr 11 15:23:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Jim speaks for me . . . as always. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:43 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Thank you, Mark, for the one post that sang this subject to me. And thanks > to Lezama too, of course. > > - Jim > > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > >> It might be a good idea to give the term "language poet" a rest. Language >> poets were so=called because they published in a long-defunct journal called >> Language. A bunch of friends and acquaintances who were and are extremely >> varied in their approach to poetry. If one needs a bete noir, best to give >> him/her a proper name. >> >> But yes, of course there are different kinds of difficulty. Jose Lezama >> Lima, on anybody's top four or five list of twntieth century latin american >> poets, made it his motto that "s?lo lo dif?cil es estimulante." There are a >> bunch of ways to translate this. Here's one: "Only that which is difficult >> stimulates growth." Here's the first stanza of his long poem Pensamientos en >> La Habana as translated by James Irby. The Spanish means "my soul is not in >> an ashtray." >> >> *THOUGHTS IN HAVANA >> >> *Because I dwell in a whisper like a set of sails, >> a land where ice is a reminiscence, >> fire cannot hoist a bird >> and burn it in a conversation calm in style. >> Though that style doesn?t dictate to me a sob >> and a tenuous hop lets me live in bad humor, >> I will not recognize the useless movement >> of a mask floating where I cannot, >> where I cannot transport the stonecutter or the door latch >> to the museums where murders are papered >> while the judges point out the squirrel >> that straightens its stockings with its tail. >> If a previous style shakes the tree, >> it decides the sob of two hairs and exclaims: >> *mi alma no est? en un cenicero*. >> >> >> It doesn't get any easier. It's I think a very great poem, and the burden >> of opinion is with me. The issue is one of trust: if something about a poem >> that I don't understand leads me to want more I keep reading, and rereading. >> It's the sense one has that there is some kind of sense here, even if it's >> not expressible in terms other than those of the poem (certainly not in >> other terms that are as concise--a poem derives much of its power from sheer >> density of information). This is true of Mallarme, who is universally >> revered by French poetry lovers and by much of the rest of the world's >> poets, and of Stevens. (Lezama, by the way, corresponded with Stevens and >> published him in Spanish.) And I don't think it's dependent on whether or >> not some of the difficulty is syntactic. >> >> A musical analogy. Once upon a time in the not so distant past people >> threw tomatoes at the stage during a performance of Rite of Spring. Now >> everyone knows how to listen to it. In those days much of the modern canon >> was considered unplayable or heroically difficult. Now every conservatory >> student graduates knowing how to play polyrhythmic or microtonal scores, to >> the extent that performers have to engineer back into some performances the >> appearance of difficulty that the composer intended. >> >> This is not to say that all modernist (or if you prefer pomo) music or >> poetry is worth bothering with. Most of what's written at any moment is >> trash or at least forgettable if competent. To complain that that's true of >> a particular kind of poetry as if it weren't equally true of whatever kind >> one espouses seems myopic to say the least. >> >> Of course, to be able to decide which poems in an unfamiliar mode one has >> a chance to learn from and which to dismiss one has to acquire familiarity. >> Life is tough. >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/babb2ae6/attachment.html From bobgrumman Sun Apr 11 15:25:26 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 11 15:25:26 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu><8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com><1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4BC24BAA.1090208@nut-n-but.net> Mark Weiss wrote: > It might be a good idea to give the term "language poet" a rest. > Language poets were so=called because they published in a long-defunct > journal called Language. No, they were called language poets because of their concern with language as opposed to what language could be used to say to a significantly greater extent than other poets were. Because poets are mostly taxonomically crippled, the term spread to friends of language poets, and who knows what, just as the term visual poet has. Since some of us we need some kind of name for poets whose focus is grammar--who play with syntax and inflection, that is, instead of, or much more than with, sound, expressiveness, etc--I continue to use the term, "language poet" for those it seems to apply to although I haven't been able quite to define it as well as I'd like to. Regardless of the nullinguists whose preference is not to label anything. --Bob From chris Sun Apr 11 15:25:56 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Sun Apr 11 15:25:56 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Actually, I was referring specifically to language poets as they most clearly exemplify my point. You are amazingly condescending throughout this message and I, for one, have grown weary of it. c On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > It might be a good idea to give the term "language poet" a rest. Language > poets were so=called because they published in a long-defunct journal called > Language. A bunch of friends and acquaintances who were and are extremely > varied in their approach to poetry. If one needs a bete noir, best to give > him/her a proper name. > > But yes, of course there are different kinds of difficulty. Jose Lezama > Lima, on anybody's top four or five list of twntieth century latin american > poets, made it his motto that "s?lo lo dif?cil es estimulante." There are a > bunch of ways to translate this. Here's one: "Only that which is difficult > stimulates growth." Here's the first stanza of his long poem Pensamientos en > La Habana as translated by James Irby. The Spanish means "my soul is not in > an ashtray." > > *THOUGHTS IN HAVANA > > *Because I dwell in a whisper like a set of sails, > a land where ice is a reminiscence, > fire cannot hoist a bird > and burn it in a conversation calm in style. > Though that style doesn?t dictate to me a sob > and a tenuous hop lets me live in bad humor, > I will not recognize the useless movement > of a mask floating where I cannot, > where I cannot transport the stonecutter or the door latch > to the museums where murders are papered > while the judges point out the squirrel > that straightens its stockings with its tail. > If a previous style shakes the tree, > it decides the sob of two hairs and exclaims: > *mi alma no est? en un cenicero*. > > > It doesn't get any easier. It's I think a very great poem, and the burden > of opinion is with me. The issue is one of trust: if something about a poem > that I don't understand leads me to want more I keep reading, and rereading. > It's the sense one has that there is some kind of sense here, even if it's > not expressible in terms other than those of the poem (certainly not in > other terms that are as concise--a poem derives much of its power from sheer > density of information). This is true of Mallarme, who is universally > revered by French poetry lovers and by much of the rest of the world's > poets, and of Stevens. (Lezama, by the way, corresponded with Stevens and > published him in Spanish.) And I don't think it's dependent on whether or > not some of the difficulty is syntactic. > > A musical analogy. Once upon a time in the not so distant past people threw > tomatoes at the stage during a performance of Rite of Spring. Now everyone > knows how to listen to it. In those days much of the modern canon was > considered unplayable or heroically difficult. Now every conservatory > student graduates knowing how to play polyrhythmic or microtonal scores, to > the extent that performers have to engineer back into some performances the > appearance of difficulty that the composer intended. > > This is not to say that all modernist (or if you prefer pomo) music or > poetry is worth bothering with. Most of what's written at any moment is > trash or at least forgettable if competent. To complain that that's true of > a particular kind of poetry as if it weren't equally true of whatever kind > one espouses seems myopic to say the least. > > Of course, to be able to decide which poems in an unfamiliar mode one has a > chance to learn from and which to dismiss one has to acquire familiarity. > Life is tough. > > Best, > > Mark > > > > At 01:55 PM 4/11/2010, you wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:02 PM, David Graham wrote: > > "Different modes of incomprehensibility" gets at something I've been > > thinking. It seems that one of our difficulties, as it were, lies in the > > terms themselves, "difficulty" no less than "accessibility," along with > the > > binary thinking that too often follows their deployment. > > This is what I'm getting at. I find it hard to believe that, at any > point, someone tried to read Stevens and felt that it was > incomprehensible in the *same way* that many language poets are. There > are many levels of meaning in Stevens, but at the simplest level he > still writes using syntax and grammar that people can make some sense > of. > > c > > > As reader I get as irked as David Weinstock or Patricia Smith with poems > > that seem not to want to be understood--but there we go again: by > > "understand" I don't mean "reduce" or "paraphrase," which is commonly a > > charge leveled when I say such things. > > And another thing. Thirty years in the classroom have convinced me that > to > > the majority of undergraduates, all poetry is difficult. I routinely > have > > students tell me that Billy Collins, that boogieman of the hospitable, is > > too hard. And Patricia Smith? Well, if you haven't read her much since > her > > slam days, I'm here to tell you: she can be as dense and difficult as > > anyone when she wishes. She's far from a simple all-emotive ranter. > > My students certainly find many poems in Smith's *Teahouse of the > Almighty* > > quite challenging, and *Blood Dazzler*, too. And so do I. Yet when I > ask > > them to analyze a poem of their choice, frequently they select poems or > song > > lyrics that I myself find very obscure. So: they don't "understand" > > poetry, often, but that fact in itself doesn't necessarily bother them. > > > > > > ======================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > > > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, > > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating > > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? > > > > C > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/e966489c/attachment.html From junction Sun Apr 11 15:37:40 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Sun Apr 11 15:37:40 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I wasn't speaking just to you, Chris, I was addressing the subject. Weary or not, you might want to address the ideas. At 05:20 PM 4/11/2010, you wrote: >Actually, I was referring specifically to >language poets as they most clearly exemplify my point. > >You are amazingly condescending throughout this >message and I, for one, have grown weary of it. > >c > >On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mark Weiss ><junction at earthlink.net> wrote: >It might be a good idea to give the term >"language poet" a rest. Language poets were >so=called because they published in a >long-defunct journal called Language. A bunch of >friends and acquaintances who were and are >extremely varied in their approach to poetry. If >one needs a bete noir, best to give him/her a proper name. > >But yes, of course there are different kinds of >difficulty. Jose Lezama Lima, on anybody's top >four or five list of twntieth century latin >american poets, made it his motto that "s?lo lo >dif?cil es estimulante." There are a bunch of >ways to translate this. Here's one: "Only that >which is difficult stimulates growth." Here's >the first stanza of his long poem Pensamientos >en La Habana as translated by James Irby. The >Spanish means "my soul is not in an ashtray." > >THOUGHTS IN HAVANA > >Because I dwell in a whisper like a set of sails, >a land where ice is a reminiscence, >fire cannot hoist a bird >and burn it in a conversation calm in style. >Though that style doesn?t dictate to me a sob >and a tenuous hop lets me live in bad humor, >I will not recognize the useless movement >of a mask floating where I cannot, >where I cannot transport the stonecutter or the door latch >to the museums where murders are papered >while the judges point out the squirrel >that straightens its stockings with its tail. >If a previous style shakes the tree, >it decides the sob of two hairs and exclaims: >mi alma no est? en un cenicero. > > >It doesn't get any easier. It's I think a very >great poem, and the burden of opinion is with >me. The issue is one of trust: if something >about a poem that I don't understand leads me to >want more I keep reading, and rereading. It's >the sense one has that there is some kind of >sense here, even if it's not expressible in >terms other than those of the poem (certainly >not in other terms that are as concise--a poem >derives much of its power from sheer density of >information). This is true of Mallarme, who is >universally revered by French poetry lovers and >by much of the rest of the world's poets, and of >Stevens. (Lezama, by the way, corresponded with >Stevens and published him in Spanish.) And I >don't think it's dependent on whether or not >some of the difficulty is syntactic. > >A musical analogy. Once upon a time in the not >so distant past people threw tomatoes at the >stage during a performance of Rite of Spring. >Now everyone knows how to listen to it. In those >days much of the modern canon was considered >unplayable or heroically difficult. Now every >conservatory student graduates knowing how to >play polyrhythmic or microtonal scores, to the >extent that performers have to engineer back >into some performances the appearance of >difficulty that the composer intended. > >This is not to say that all modernist (or if you >prefer pomo) music or poetry is worth bothering >with. Most of what's written at any moment is >trash or at least forgettable if competent. To >complain that that's true of a particular kind >of poetry as if it weren't equally true of >whatever kind one espouses seems myopic to say the least. > >Of course, to be able to decide which poems in >an unfamiliar mode one has a chance to learn >from and which to dismiss one has to acquire familiarity. Life is tough. > >Best, > >Mark > > > >At 01:55 PM 4/11/2010, you wrote: >>On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:02 PM, David Graham >><grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote: >> > "Different modes of incomprehensibility" gets at something I've been >> > thinking. It seems that one of our difficulties, as it were, lies in the >> > terms themselves, "difficulty" no less than >> "accessibility," along with the >> > binary thinking that too often follows their deployment. >> >>This is what I'm getting at. I find it hard to believe that, at any >>point, someone tried to read Stevens and felt that it was >>incomprehensible in the *same way* that many language poets are. There >>are many levels of meaning in Stevens, but at the simplest level he >>still writes using syntax and grammar that people can make some sense >>of. >> >>c >> >> > As reader I get as irked as David Weinstock or Patricia Smith with poems >> > that seem not to want to be understood--but there we go again: by >> > "understand" I don't mean "reduce" or "paraphrase," which is commonly a >> > charge leveled when I say such things. >> > And another thing. Thirty years in the >> classroom have convinced me that to >> > the majority of undergraduates, all poetry is difficult. I routinely have >> > students tell me that Billy Collins, that boogieman of the hospitable, is >> > too hard. And Patricia Smith? Well, if you >> haven't read her much since her >> > slam days, I'm here to tell you: she can be as dense and difficult as >> > anyone when she wishes. She's far from a simple all-emotive ranter. >> > My students certainly find many poems in >> Smith's *Teahouse of the Almighty* >> > quite challenging, and *Blood Dazzler*, too. And so do I. Yet when I ask >> > them to analyze a poem of their choice, >> frequently they select poems or song >> > lyrics that I myself find very obscure. So: they don't "understand" >> > poetry, often, but that fact in itself doesn't necessarily bother them. >> > >> > >> > ======================================== >> > David Graham >> > grahamd at ripon.edu >> > Home Page: >> > http://web.me.com/drjazz >> > Poetry Library: >> > >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> > ========================================== >> > >> > >> > >> > On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Chris Lott wrote: >> > >> > Mallarme is still mostly incomprehensible! But Stevens and Rimbaud, >> > really? Isn't that charitably overstating thecase and conflating >> > rather different modes of incomprehensibility? >> > >> > C >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of >Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > >"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's >Random House Book of Twentieth Century French >Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively >broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside >the United States and also created a superb >collection of foreign poems in English. There is >nothing else like it." John Palattella in The >Nation > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu><8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com><1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4BC25B2D.4070905@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > Actually, I was referring specifically to language poets as they most > clearly exemplify my point. > > You are amazingly condescending throughout this message and I, for > one, have grown weary of it. Dang, Chris, surely he's not worse at that than I am! Please tell me he isn't! --Bob From jbalizsprince Sun Apr 11 17:48:42 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Sun Apr 11 17:48:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Sacramento, CA: Reading Tomorrow Night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wonderful----much success and fun to you, Catherine! Best, Judy On 11 April 2010 17:50, Catherine Daly wrote: > Emmanuel Sigauke Hosts Catherine Daly and Margaret Hoehn > Presented by Sacramento Poetry Center at Sacramento Poetry Center > Monday, April 12, 2010 > > 7:30 > > 1719 25th St > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > Phone: (916) 451-5569 > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100411/1b5edee0/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Sun Apr 11 17:56:55 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Sun Apr 11 17:56:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Patricia Smith for President! In-Reply-To: <8CCA708F932B3B9-BD8-DF5E@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> References: <201004101600.o3AG04gX018815@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <864F87A5-600C-4E2F-8975-30C07ACF83EE@verizon.net> <8CCA708F932B3B9-BD8-DF5E@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BC26080.9040704@opus40.org> I liked "you may be more excited to know it exists than to read through it" -- it captured something I've often felt. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Somewhat related to this topic, Daisy Fried from the review Tad > pointed us to: > > This selection of Bernstein?s work doesn?t neglect his early > experiments. ?Lift Off,? apparently transcribed from a typewriter > correction tape, begins ?HH/ ie,s obVrsxr;atjrn dugh seineopcv i > iibalfmgmMw.? A sympathetic reader appreciates the grunting ?dugh,? > the fortuitous trip to Paris implied by ?seine,? the broken ?s ob,? > the loneliness of the lowercase ?i.? This is a conceptual poem ? you > may be more excited to know it exists than to read through it. > > ?Daisy Fried, ?Poet and Anti-Poet,? her review of Charles Bernstein?s > /All the Whiskey in Heaven/ (FSG, 2010), New York Times Sunday Book > Review, April 11, 2010, posted online April 7. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Spacks > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:52 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Patricia Smith for President! > > On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Hal wrote: > > > > When I find a poem difficult I just make sure its leash is attached > > before I take it for a walk. > > > as many do, friend Hal, mistaking a dog for a poem. > > (one more jab allowed? -- a reprisal label for "mainstream" > and "quietude": Naked-Emperor Poems. > > disrespectfully, > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From grahamd Mon Apr 12 08:11:23 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:11:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: almost successfully In-Reply-To: <7B893FAE-F11C-4E05-916F-F481C0E5260F@verizon.net> References: <201004111600.o3BG055O031053@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <7B893FAE-F11C-4E05-916F-F481C0E5260F@verizon.net> Message-ID: What I love in the famous Stevens line is the "almost." The ahhh-moment when things snap into focus, and I feel that my intelligence has been well employed, not merely thwarted or sidelined. I'm dimly recalling an essay I read decades ago by George Steiner titled I think "On Difficulty." Embarrassing to find it so foggy in my mind, since I know I wrote an essay in grad school about it. But I do remember that Steiner did the sensible thing of dividing literary difficulty into a number of categories,and taking about the different uses and abuses thereof. Some of the categories were Tactical, Modal, Contingent, and Ontological. The terms are clunky enough, but made sense to me. Tactical difficulty, as I recall, was his term for the sort of thing Stevens proposes--another word, probably, for "defamiliarization," the making-strange that leads to fresh perceptions of familiar realities. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Mark wrote: >> >> It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all >> considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot >> felt compelled to footnote The Wasteland. > > I take Stevens' lines as central to this thread: > "The poem must resist the intelligence / Almost successfully," > > Who'd likely speak against "slant," innovation, challenge? > > I see the matter of the possibly-incomprehensible as posing the question of good faith / bad faith. > > Not for the world would I want to shout down a new Waste Land. > > But when what seems arbitrary becomes not only fashionable but often vigorously political against > all styles other than its own, one might do well to register how easy it is to work by > mere rumble, flash and free association, resistance to which is like not wanting > to hear (at too great a length and insistence) another's whacky dream. > > Little control, filter, music, coherence, theme -- doesn't one naturally wonder if much > is being offered beyond narcissistic self-display (or worse, a modish aesthetic Ponzi scheme). > Thus I fall back -- granted with the possible loss of a true gem in the run-off -- on the sad > rubric "Naked-Emperor Poetry." > > defensively, > > Barry > >> > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/70620b28/attachment.html From junction Mon Apr 12 08:43:42 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:43:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: almost successfully In-Reply-To: References: <201004111600.o3BG055O031053@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <7B893FAE-F11C-4E05-916F-F481C0E5260F@verizon.net> Message-ID: Here's Williams, from "January Morning": I wanted to write a poem that you would understand. For what good is it to me if you can't understand it? But you got to try hard-- That last line says a lot of it. Best, Mark At 10:06 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote: >What I love in the famous Stevens line is the "almost." The >ahhh-moment when things snap into focus, and I feel that my >intelligence has been well employed, not merely thwarted or sidelined. > >I'm dimly recalling an essay I read decades ago by George Steiner >titled I think "On Difficulty." Embarrassing to find it so foggy in >my mind, since I know I wrote an essay in grad school about it. But >I do remember that Steiner did the sensible thing of dividing >literary difficulty into a number of categories,and taking about the >different uses and abuses thereof. Some of the categories were >Tactical, Modal, Contingent, and Ontological. The terms are clunky >enough, but made sense to me. Tactical difficulty, as I recall, was >his term for the sort of thing Stevens proposes--another word, >probably, for "defamiliarization," the making-strange that leads to >fresh perceptions of familiar realities. > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > >> >>On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Mark wrote: >>> >>>It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all >>>considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot >>>felt compelled to footnote The Wasteland. >> >>I take Stevens' lines as central to this thread: >>"The poem must resist the intelligence / Almost successfully," >> >>Who'd likely speak against "slant," innovation, challenge? >> >>I see the matter of the possibly-incomprehensible as posing the >>question of good faith / bad faith. >> >>Not for the world would I want to shout down a new Waste Land. >> >>But when what seems arbitrary becomes not only fashionable but >>often vigorously political against >>all styles other than its own, one might do well to register how >>easy it is to work by >>mere rumble, flash and free association, resistance to which is >>like not wanting >>to hear (at too great a length and insistence) another's whacky dream. >> >>Little control, filter, music, coherence, theme -- doesn't one >>naturally wonder if much >>is being offered beyond narcissistic self-display (or worse, a >>modish aesthetic Ponzi scheme). >>Thus I fall back -- granted with the possible loss of a true gem in >>the run-off -- on the sad >>rubric "Naked-Emperor Poetry." >> >>defensively, >> >>Barry >> >> >>_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/5fce5250/attachment.html From halvard Mon Apr 12 09:03:12 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 12 09:03:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: almost successfully In-Reply-To: References: <201004111600.o3BG055O031053@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <7B893FAE-F11C-4E05-916F-F481C0E5260F@verizon.net> Message-ID: I don't even understand the muffin I had for breakfast, but I sure enjoyed the having of it. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Here's Williams, from "January Morning": > > I wanted to write a poem > that you would understand. > For what good is it to me > if you can't understand it? > But you got to try hard-- > > > That last line says a lot of it. > > > Best, > > Mark > > > At 10:06 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote: > > What I love in the famous Stevens line is the "almost." The ahhh-moment > when things snap into focus, and I feel that my intelligence has been well > employed, not merely thwarted or sidelined. > > I'm dimly recalling an essay I read decades ago by George Steiner titled I > think "On Difficulty." Embarrassing to find it so foggy in my mind, since I > know I wrote an essay in grad school about it. But I do remember that > Steiner did the sensible thing of dividing literary difficulty into a number > of categories,and taking about the different uses and abuses thereof. Some > of the categories were Tactical, Modal, Contingent, and Ontological. The > terms are clunky enough, but made sense to me. Tactical difficulty, as I > recall, was his term for the sort of thing Stevens proposes--another word, > probably, for "defamiliarization," the making-strange that leads to fresh > perceptions of familiar realities. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Mark wrote: > > > It's helpful to remember that Mallarme, Rimbaud, and Stevens were all > considered incomprehensible by most poetry readers, and that Eliot > felt compelled to footnote The Wasteland. > > > I take Stevens' lines as central to this thread: > "The poem must resist the intelligence / Almost successfully," > > Who'd likely speak against "slant," innovation, challenge? > > I see the matter of the possibly-incomprehensible as posing the question of > good faith / bad faith. > > Not for the world would I want to shout down a new Waste Land. > > But when what seems arbitrary becomes not only fashionable but often > vigorously political against > all styles other than its own, one might do well to register how easy it is > to work by > mere rumble, flash and free association, resistance to which is like not > wanting > to hear (at too great a length and insistence) another's whacky dream. > > Little control, filter, music, coherence, theme -- doesn't one naturally > wonder if much > is being offered beyond narcissistic self-display (or worse, a modish > aesthetic Ponzi scheme). > Thus I fall back -- granted with the possible loss of a true gem in the > run-off -- on the sad > rubric "Naked-Emperor Poetry." > > defensively, > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. 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We are meant to miss most of this; none of the poem?s considerable form or wisdom is tagged. Its casual nature and humour sweep us along. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/e1e00637/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 12 12:30:19 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Apr 12 12:30:19 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] from About.com: Poetry Message-ID: *The River Merchant?s Wife: A Letter* [image: gif] *by Ezra Pound (1915) * [image: clr gif] While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead I played about the front gate, pulling flowers. You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse, You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums. And we went on living in the village of Chokan: Two small people, without dislike or suspicion. At fourteen I married My Lord you. I never laughed, being bashful. Lowering my head, I looked at the wall. Called to, a thousand times, I never looked back. At fifteen I stopped scowling, I desired my dust to be mingled with yours Forever and forever and forever. Why should I climb the look out? At sixteen you departed, You went into far Ku-to-en, by the river of swirling eddies, And you have been gone five months. The monkeys make sorrowful noise overhead. You dragged your feet when you went out. By the gate now, the moss is grown, the different mosses, Too deep to clear them away! The leaves fall early this autumn, in wind. The paired butterflies are already yellow with August Over the grass in the West garden; They hurt me. I grow older. If you are coming down through the narrows of the river Kiang, Please let me know beforehand, And I will come out to meet you As far as Cho-fu-Sa. ?Translated? from the Chinese of Li Po (Based on the first of his ?Two Letters from Chang-Kan?) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/a69d0c56/attachment.html From skip Mon Apr 12 13:28:44 2010 From: skip (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:28:44 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geez. Just got done teaching that poem with a number of Imagist pieces. Wild to return to office and see it posted. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:25 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: [New-Poetry] from About.com: Poetry The River Merchant's Wife: A Letter gif by Ezra Pound (1915) clr gif While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead I played about the front gate, pulling flowers. You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse, You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums. And we went on living in the village of Chokan: Two small people, without dislike or suspicion. At fourteen I married My Lord you. I never laughed, being bashful. Lowering my head, I looked at the wall. Called to, a thousand times, I never looked back. At fifteen I stopped scowling, I desired my dust to be mingled with yours Forever and forever and forever. Why should I climb the look out? At sixteen you departed, You went into far Ku-to-en, by the river of swirling eddies, And you have been gone five months. The monkeys make sorrowful noise overhead. You dragged your feet when you went out. By the gate now, the moss is grown, the different mosses, Too deep to clear them away! The leaves fall early this autumn, in wind. The paired butterflies are already yellow with August Over the grass in the West garden; They hurt me. I grow older. If you are coming down through the narrows of the river Kiang, Please let me know beforehand, And I will come out to meet you As far as Cho-fu-Sa. "Translated" from the Chinese of Li Po (Based on the first of his "Two Letters from Chang-Kan") -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche < Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae > Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/3e29ee3d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Mon Apr 12 14:08:20 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Apr 12 14:08:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] from About.com: Poetry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a nice coincidence! On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > Geez. Just got done teaching that poem with a number of Imagist pieces. > > > > Wild to return to office and see it posted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Anny Ballardini > *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 1:25 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] from About.com: Poetry > > > > *The River Merchant?s Wife: A Letter* > > [image: gif] > > *by Ezra Pound (1915)* > > [image: clr gif] > > > While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead > I played about the front gate, pulling flowers. > You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse, > You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums. > And we went on living in the village of Chokan: > Two small people, without dislike or suspicion. > > At fourteen I married My Lord you. > I never laughed, being bashful. > Lowering my head, I looked at the wall. > Called to, a thousand times, I never looked back. > > At fifteen I stopped scowling, > I desired my dust to be mingled with yours > Forever and forever and forever. > Why should I climb the look out? > > At sixteen you departed, > You went into far Ku-to-en, by the river of swirling eddies, > And you have been gone five months. > The monkeys make sorrowful noise overhead. > You dragged your feet when you went out. > By the gate now, the moss is grown, the different mosses, > Too deep to clear them away! > The leaves fall early this autumn, in wind. > The paired butterflies are already yellow with August > Over the grass in the West garden; > They hurt me. I grow older. > If you are coming down through the narrows of the river Kiang, > Please let me know beforehand, > And I will come out to meet you > As far as Cho-fu-Sa. > > ?Translated? from the Chinese of Li Po > (Based on the first of his ?Two Letters from Chang-Kan?) > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Certainly when X equals translation, I can imagine no defender more qualified ? or, as it turns out, more querulous ? than Grossman, whose version of ?Don Quixote? a few years back caused a sensation in the shadowy realm of newly translated classics, and whose ulterior dealings with Hispanic splendors, ancient and modern, have stirred even so mild-mannered an assessor of cultural accomplishments as Harold Bloom to proclaim her, ominously enough, the Glenn Gould of translators. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/b772d3ee/attachment.html From jforjames Mon Apr 12 18:59:09 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 18:59:09 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] dappled thing Message-ID: <8CCA8BADEBDBE56-197C-7E2C@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com> Dappled Thing In the late afternoon, casting over a dead still pool, the water churned under my midge. Then it hit. The fish was on. I struggled carefully to land it on a sandbar as night fell. Catch and release, I lowered the trout into an easy cascade. As I let it go, along its stippled side, I thought I saw a message, a code that I could read in the failing light. It thrashed once in my hands, disappeared into the dark waters. I thought in that moment I could make out some secret of the universe. But it?s always less than that. Perhaps it?s simply a common proverb spoken among fishes. Perhaps not even that. The punch line of a joke safe enough to share with a stranger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/434d6e7c/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Mon Apr 12 19:16:58 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:16:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] dappled thing Message-ID: <6eb18.601c871e.38f51ec3@cs.com> In a message dated 4/12/2010 7:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > Dappled Thing > > > In the late afternoon, casting over > a dead still pool, the water churned > under my midge. Then it hit. The fish > was on. I struggled carefully to land it > on a sandbar as night fell. Catch > and release, I lowered the trout into > an easy cascade. As I let it go, along > its stippled side, I thought I saw a message, > a code that I could read in the failing light. It thrashed > once in my hands, disappeared into the dark waters. > I thought in that moment I could make out some secret > of the universe. But it?s always less than that. > Perhaps it?s simply a common proverb > spoken among fishes. Perhaps not > even that. The punch line of a joke > safe enough to share with a stranger. > > Ah, lovely! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/716604e9/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Mon Apr 12 19:18:59 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:18:59 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] dappled thing Message-ID: <6ecd0.4a4dfd3b.38f51f38@cs.com> In a message dated 4/12/2010 7:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, jforjames at aol.com writes: > > Dappled Thing > > > In the late afternoon, casting over > a dead still pool, the water churned > under my midge. Then it hit. The fish > was on. I struggled carefully to land it > on a sandbar as night fell. Catch > and release, I lowered the trout into > an easy cascade. As I let it go, along > its stippled side, I thought I saw a message, > a code that I could read in the failing light. It thrashed > once in my hands, disappeared into the dark waters. > I thought in that moment I could make out some secret > of the universe. But it?s always less than that. > Perhaps it?s simply a common proverb > spoken among fishes. Perhaps not > even that. The punch line of a joke > safe enough to share with a stranger. > > Maybe a little pronoun ref problem in l. 3. Why not make the fish "she"? Or he? Not sure of the coloration male vs. female in various trout. Sounds like a brown to me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100412/d3107c56/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Tue Apr 13 03:13:32 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue Apr 13 03:13:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Translation Matters In-Reply-To: <8CCA8AEF01E001E-1B94-664C@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA8AEF01E001E-1B94-664C@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A good article, thanks for having forwarded it. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:28 AM, wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/books/review/Howard-t.html > > Does translation matter? Edith Grossman?s new book argues that it does, > right in the title, and she ought to know. ?Why Translation Matters? (an > extended essay, really) is one of the first texts in Yale?s energetic new > series, Why X Matters, each volume of which is to present a ?concise > argument for the continuing relevance of an important person or idea.? > > Certainly when X equals translation, I can imagine no defender more > qualified ? or, as it turns out, more querulous ? than Grossman, whose > version of ?Don Quixote? a few years back caused a sensation in the shadowy > realm of newly translated classics, and whose ulterior dealings with > Hispanic splendors, ancient and modern, have stirred even so mild-mannered > an assessor of cultural accomplishments as Harold Bloom to proclaim her, > ominously enough, the Glenn Gould of translators. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/4a3bc262/attachment.html From jforjames Tue Apr 13 08:59:12 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 13 08:59:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree Message-ID: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> http://www.flatmancrooked.com/archives/6741 An Open Letter to Poets Who Hate the Creative Writing MFA By Seth Abramson Poets in particular love to talk about MFA programs, usually in tones appropriately categorized as apocalyptic and with a level of prior research knowledge that could only be expressed as a negative integer. MFA programs will destroy American poetry, we are regularly told. Ron Silliman recently likened these graduate courses of study to ?polio? (he later apologized, on the grounds that the comment was unintentionally insulting to physically-challenged persons). Linh Dinh sagely informed the readers of Harriet, the blog of the Poetry Foundation, that MFA students and applicants were ?suckers? and that MFA programs constituted a ?racket? run by, in many instances, ?careerist creeps.? A recent Pulitzer Prize-winning poet translated the acronym for the degree into a three-word epithet involving mothers that can?t be repeated here?and then posted this felicitous discovery on Facebook. This is only a glimpse of the general tenor of MFA-related discourse among poets; in fact, poets have been waxing apoplectic about MFA programs for years now, and what?s more, in numbers. What the above detractors and nearly all their predecessors have in common is that they didn?t write any of the books on MFA programs alluded to above. They don?t participate in online MFA-applicant communities, either, though such communities now boast a daily readership in the thousands. Nor do these detractors appear to have read much?or anything, really?about MFA programs in national magazines. Or anywhere else. In fact, they didn?t even attend MFA programs themselves (and argue, implicitly, that they don?t know any truly innovative poet who did, so we can assume they either have no friends with an MFA or else no friends with identifiable talent). Yet the poetry community has hustled far more than is usual for the artist class to give these folks whatever microphones are available. Poets love their doomsayers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/46732d19/attachment.html From jforjames Tue Apr 13 09:10:09 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 13 09:10:09 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu><8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> This may not be up to Steiner level, but the last time this thread reared its head, I taxonomized (? la BG) several kinds/types of difficulty... Finnegan Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: Purposefully Evading Understanding The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists the notion that poems should be knowable. It's All There With Enough Time, Effort, And Will It may take you several hours, days or weeks, years or a lifetime, but nothing in the poem is not stated or has been misexpressed in a way that it can never be comprehended or experienced fully. You might need a bigger dictionary or full encyclopedia set, or the ability to develop the emotional perspicacity of a Collette, but you can get there from here, eventually. Merely Readerly Failure The poem is reasonably clear and understandable if the various references and allusions made in the poem can be recognized and grasped. But they can?t be: (a) Because you have different knowledge set or (b) you have a fairly low level of erudition. The latter is not elitism; it?s a fact that the more you?ve read and studied, the more you?re likely to understand. Some poets prefer to throw a wide net. Others are perfectly happy that only readers of a certain level of knowledge will gain entry to the poem?s fullest sense. The Translation Or Transference Problem The poem was perfectly clear in the poet?s mind, but, as rendered, most readers can?t understand it. A translation/transference problem occurred: words as ?shabby equipment?, or the author?s inability to shape/make the kinds of sentences and language elements that would make the poem understandable across a wide & diverse group of readers Mimesis Doesn?t Mean Clear Mimesis of the chaotic or confused: The world is chaotic, life is disorderly and imperfectly understood by the human mind, therefore the poem can or must mirror that disorder and chaos. The jigsaw puzzle spilled, with no attempt made to organize and piece it together. Pushing Language To Its Limits With a vast vocabulary and syntactical inventiveness, the poet uses the language in a way that is often hard to follow, difficult to parse or make sense of. Maybe the poet has pulled out all the stops or is pushing the language envelope, so to speak. Think Hart Crane or Gerard Manley Hopkins. Or the way Wallace Stevens feels his way through a poem by thinking based more on sound than sense. Ordinary words can be apt neologisms in the hands of certain poets. Gertrude Stein pressing ordinary rhetoric into the ?surrhetorical?. The Attraction Of The Fragmentary And Disruptive The aphoristic and imagistic attractiveness of certain sentences and phrases are undeniable. So much so that some poets are content to string these elements together or to splatter them about a page and just let them do what they may in the mind of the reader. Sometimes it?s just enjoyable to cut things up, to collage. To revel in the kaleidoscopic and ?kaleidosonic?: the slamdance of words and syllables. To break sentences unexpectedly, to leave the reader hanging on a ledge of words, to practice legerdemain with language. It?s Ineffable Or Just Too Complicated The difficulty/obscurity of the subject matter or the psychological state that impelled the poem makes the poem difficult/obscure. The writer intended to be clearer but couldn?t manage it and perhaps no writer will ever be capable of capturing the meaning/essence of ?it? in words. The experience is real but ineffable. The emotionally driven lyric flight, or the speaker surrendering to a language rending state that may verge on glossalalia, hysteria, or a speaking in tongues. Or, in fact, the subject matter is too large in scope and too multi-faceted or too deeply layered to ever be captured in language or in the space of a single poem or even a sequence of poems. Think of the poem of America that Whitman almost managed to write. One Or More Possible Readings The poem is composed in such a way that perfectly good readers will come away with vastly divergent notions of what the poem is about or trying to get at. No one reading is correct; all readings represent valid interpretations and experiences of the poem. The composition may have been intentionally constructed to expose multiple facets and interpretative aspects. Or it just came out that way. Once the poem enters the public domain, whether the poet intended this is somewhat beside the point; though the poet has a right to be disappointed if his/her preferred interpretation/experience wasn?t carried over to the reader (which is related to translation/transference problem). Calling Attention To The Materiality of Language The poem is meant to be an experience of perception, rather than to be understood. The experience being on the level of the materiality of language (sound, alphabetic construct, shape, etc., being foregrounded) and consciously not employing the communicative elements that language offers. Sound poetry, pure poetry, certain forms of language poetry. Of course, many readers may experience it in many ways, which is generally not seen as a deficiency but as an opportunity. It?s Surrealist, Fantastic or Dadaist The poem intentionally takes the reader into a place where things aren?t clear in any ordinary sense, in order to give the reader some new and intriguing experience. Often employing extravagant collocations of things and weird imagery. It can be the dream poem rendered exactly as remembered or stream-of-consciousness dictated. Or, as in dadaism, the wholesale rejection of poetry as anything more than a conceptual art or a socio-political act that should push, if not shove, the reader out of his/her complacency or literary comfort zone. Strictly Experimental As To Form Or Rule The poem is using a particular pattern or formal construct for its structure. The form is paramount, not the content. Poems based on a mathematical sequence, like a Fibonacci. Ignoring grammar and syntax for effect. Or language games: Purposefully substituting a random noun wherever the verb is supposed to go in the sentence, for example. It?s Oulipo, baby. Too Spare And It Becomes An Open System The poem is stripped down to a point that what words remain, as clear as they are, invite or allow many different ways of fleshing out the poem in reader?s mind. Or the poem is a pane and now many people are now going to see many different things through it. The paradox of description: Too much and too detailed in description and the reader?s mind is not be given free rein to explore in & around what has been expressed, the mind gets lulled and becomes too lazy to tease out nuances. Too little descriptive guidance and all control of the reader?s experience or of any particular taking away from the poem are surrendered, whether intentionally or unintentionally. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/6a6ead91/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 Tue Apr 13 09:15:32 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue Apr 13 09:15:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree In-Reply-To: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My, my, Seth Abramson -- now *there's a name to conjour with. I hope his full piece (which, based on long and sad experience of his earlier material, I have no intention of reading) includes a full disclosure of his own self-interest in the MFA phenomenon. Not one of my favourite people. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree http://www.flatmancrooked.com/archives/6741 An Open Letter to Poets Who Hate the Creative Writing MFA By Seth Abramson Poets in particular love to talk about MFA programs, usually in tones appropriately categorized as apocalyptic and with a level of prior research knowledge that could only be expressed as a negative integer. MFA programs will destroy American poetry, we are regularly told. Ron Silliman recently likened these graduate courses of study to ?polio? (he later apologized, on the grounds that the comment was unintentionally insulting to physically-challenged persons). Linh Dinh sagely informed the readers of Harriet, the blog of the Poetry Foundation, that MFA students and applicants were ?suckers? and that MFA programs constituted a ?racket? run by, in many instances, ?careerist creeps.? A recent Pulitzer Prize-winning poet translated the acronym for the degree into a three-word epithet involving mothers that can?t be repeated here?and then posted this felicitous discovery on Facebook. This is only a glimpse of the general tenor of MFA-related discourse among poets; in fact, poets have been waxing apoplectic about MFA programs for years now, and what?s more, in numbers. What the above detractors and nearly all their predecessors have in common is that they didn?t write any of the books on MFA programs alluded to above. They don?t participate in online MFA-applicant communities, either, though such communities now boast a daily readership in the thousands. Nor do these detractors appear to have read much?or anything, really?about MFA programs in national magazines. Or anywhere else. In fact, they didn?t even attend MFA programs themselves (and argue, implicitly, that they don?t know any truly innovative poet who did, so we can assume they either have no friends with an MFA or else no friends with identifiable talent). Yet the poetry community has hustled far more than is usual for the artist class to give these folks whatever microphones are available. Poets love their doomsayers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/ed77a593/attachment.html From jforjames Tue Apr 13 09:30:42 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 13 09:30:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Eleanor Ross Taylor receives 2010 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCA934622EE78A-6D78-DE5F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Poetry Foundation To: Jim Finnegan Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:07 am Subject: For Immediate Release: Eleanor Ross Taylor receives 2010 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 13, 2010 Eleanor Ross Taylor Awarded 2010 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize Award recognizes lifetime accomplishment with $100,000 prize CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation is pleased to announce that poet Eleanor Ross Taylor has won the 2010 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. Presented annually to a living U.S. poet whose lifetime accomplishments warrant extraordinary recognition, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize is one of the most prestigious awards given to American poets. At $100,000, it is also one of the nation?s largest literary prizes. Established in 1986, the prize is sponsored and administered by the Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine. Over the last 25 years, the Lilly Prize has awarded more than $1,800,000. The prize will be presented at the Pegasus Awards ceremony at the Arts Club of Chicago on Tuesday, May 18. In making the announcement, Christian Wiman, editor of Poetry magazine, cited the strong reserve in Taylor?s poems and praised their ?sober and clear-eyed serenity? and authority. ?We live in a time when poetic styles seem to become more antic and frantic by the day, and Taylor?s voice has been muted from the start. Muted, not quiet,? said Wiman. ?You can?t read these poems without feeling the pent-up energy in them, the focused, even frustrated compression, and then the occasional clear lyric fury. And yet you can?t read them without feeling, as well, a bracing sense of spiritual largesse and some great inner liberty.? A portfolio of 10 of Taylor?s poems will be featured in the May issue of Poetry. In introducing the selection, Wiman writes: The winner of this year?s Ruth Lilly Prize is Eleanor Ross Taylor. I suspect the name will be unfamiliar to a number of our readers, the work to even more. Until the excellent selected poems, Captive Voices, was published by LSU Press last year, virtually all of Taylor?s work was out of print. Her slow production (six books in 50 years), dislike of poetry readings (?It seems to me that it?s all for the person and not the poetry?), and unfashionable fidelity to narrative and clarity haven?t helped matters. And yet, as is so often the case, what?s been bad for the career has been good for the poems. With their intricately odd designs and careful, off-kilter music, their vital characters and volatile silences, the poems have a hard-won, homemade fatedness to them. You can feel their future. The awards ceremony will also celebrate the life of the Poetry Foundation?s late benefactor, Ruth Lilly, who died in December at age 94, with readings by Catherine Bowman, Ruth Lilly Professor of Poetry at Indiana University, and 2001 Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellow Ilya Kaminsky. In addition, Eleanor Ross Taylor?s editors Jean Valentine and Dave Smith?also poets and friends of hers?will be featured as part of the event. ?Poetry has had no greater friend than Ruth Lilly,? said Poetry Foundation president John Barr. ?On this occasion, the 25th anniversary of the awarding of the prize bearing her name, we honor a life of extraordinary generosity and dedication to the art form.? In 1985, Lilly endowed the Ruth Lilly Professorship in Poetry at Indiana University. In 1989 she created Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowships of $15,000 each, awarded annually by the Poetry Foundation to undergraduate or graduate students selected through a national competition. In 2008, the Foundation increased the number of Lilly Fellowships awarded each year from two to five. In 2002 Lilly?s lifetime engagement with poetry culminated in a magnificent bequest that will enable the Poetry Foundation to promote, in perpetuity, a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. Eleanor Ross Taylor has published six collections of poetry: Wilderness of Ladies (1960), Welcome Eumenides (1972), New and Selected Poems (1983), Days Going/Days Coming Back (1991), Late Leisure (1999), and Captive Voices: New and Selected Poems (2009). A mother of four grown children and a grandmother, Taylor now resides in Charlottesville, Virginia. She has received the Poetry Society of America?s Shelley Memorial Prize (1997?98), a fellowship from the American Academy of Arts and Letters (1998), the Library of Virginia?s Literary Award for Poetry (2000), and the Aiken Taylor Award for Modern Poetry (2001). She was elected to the Fellowship of Southern Writers in 2009. Previous recipients of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize are Adrienne Rich, Philip Levine, Anthony Hecht, Mona Van Duyn, Hayden Carruth, David Wagoner, John Ashbery, Charles Wright, Donald Hall, A.R. Ammons, Gerald Stern, William Matthews, W.S. Merwin, Maxine Kumin, Carl Dennis, Yusef Komunyakaa, Lisel Mueller, Linda Pastan, Kay Ryan, C.K. Williams, Richard Wilbur, Lucille Clifton, Gary Snyder, and Fanny Howe. FORWARD TO A FRIEND ? CONTACT POETRY FOUNDATION 444 North Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60611 312.799.8016 Media Contact: Anne Halsey About the Pegasus Awards The Poetry Foundation has established a family of prizes with an emphasis on new awards to under-recognized poets and types of poetry. Inaugurated in 2004, the Pegasus Awards are announced annually in the spring. The Poetry Foundation believes that targeted prizes can help redress underappreciated accomplishments, diversify the kinds of poetry being written, and widen the audience for the art form. With this in mind, it may create additional prizes in the years ahead. ABOUT THE POETRY FOUNDATION The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine and one of the largest literary organizations in the world, exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/6f9c7357/attachment-0001.html From junction Tue Apr 13 15:51:07 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue Apr 13 15:51:07 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree In-Reply-To: References: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At 11:10 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote: >??? >My, my, Seth Abramson -- now *there's a name to conjour with. > >I hope his full piece (which, based on long and >sad experience of his earlier material, I have >no intention of reading) includes a full >disclosure of his own self-interest in the MFA phenomenon. Of course it doesn't. > >Not one of my favourite people. > >Robin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: jforjames at aol.com >To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:53 PM >Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree > >http://www.flatmancrooked.com/archives/6741 >An Open Letter to Poets Who Hate the Creative Writing MFA >By Seth Abramson > >Poets in particular love to talk about MFA >programs, usually in tones appropriately >categorized as apocalyptic and with a level of >prior research knowledge that could only be >expressed as a negative integer. MFA programs >will destroy American poetry, we are regularly >told. Ron Silliman recently likened these >graduate courses of study to ???polio??? (he >later apologized, on the grounds that the >comment was unintentionally insulting to >physically-challenged persons). Linh Dinh sagely >informed the readers of Harriet, the blog of the >Poetry Foundation, that MFA students and >applicants were ???suckers??? and that MFA >programs constituted a ???racket??? run by, in >many instances, ???careerist creeps.??? A recent >Pulitzer Prize-winning poet translated the >acronym for the degree into a three-word epithet >involving mothers that can???t be repeated >here?and then posted this felicitous discovery >on Facebook. This is only a glimpse of the >general tenor of MFA-related discourse among >poets; in fact, poets have been waxing >apoplectic about MFA programs for years now, and >what???s more, in numbers. What the above >detractors and nearly all their predecessors >have in common is that they didn???t write any >of the books on MFA programs alluded to above. >They don???t participate in online MFA-applicant >communities, either, though such communities now >boast a daily readership in the thousands. Nor >do these detractors appear to have read much?or >anything, really?about MFA programs in in >national magazines. Or anywhere else. In fact, >they didn???t even attend MFA programs >themselves (and argue, implicitly, that they >don???t know any truly innovative poet who did, >so we can assume they either have no friends >with an MFA or else no friends with identifiable >talent). Yet the poetry community has hustled >far more than is usual for the artist class to >give these folks whatever microphones are >available. Poets love their doomsayers. > > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"It was easy enough, in a way, to make that kind of metaphoric leap from what was happening to American society to what was happening to my body with the cancer," said the 62-year-old poetry professor at the University of California, San Diego. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100413/f7d98782/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 Tue Apr 13 21:24:27 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue Apr 13 21:24:27 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree In-Reply-To: <8CCA98E4282E8D3-10DC-360E@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <8CCA98E4282E8D3-10DC-360E@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <168D8ACA93DB4F6AB9E343A89558DE14@RobinLaptopPC> I don't know Seth A beyond his blog, which I think he took down. I thought that had happened, and I wondered why. I believe he went to Iowa for an MFA. What's he done that gives you such an unfavorable view of him, Robin? We tangled over the Walcott Oxford Business. It wasn't just that we were on opposite sides, but I wasn't deeply impressed by his style of argument and general conduct, which on occasion involved revising (as he thought, invisibly) the contents of his blog in order to adjust the record. It wasn't just that he was played as a patsy by some of the people attacking Walcott, but that he made love to his employment. For a former lawyer, he struck me as just a tad credulous, to say the least. But if his blog's been taken down, there's some of the evidence gone. Or would be, if I hadn't documented and archived every single miserable item of information I encountered in the course of a somewhat strange month. A messy business altogether. Robin Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/39a86db6/attachment.html From oedipa Tue Apr 13 23:09:35 2010 From: oedipa (karen) Date: Tue Apr 13 23:09:35 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the MFA degree In-Reply-To: <168D8ACA93DB4F6AB9E343A89558DE14@RobinLaptopPC> References: <8CCA9304297EC96-6D78-D7C2@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <8CCA98E4282E8D3-10DC-360E@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <168D8ACA93DB4F6AB9E343A89558DE14@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: Actually, this thread is starting to feel an awful lot like an MFA program.... k On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Robin Hamilton wrote: > > > I don't know Seth A beyond his blog, which I think he took down. > > I thought that had happened, and I wondered why. > > I believe?he went to Iowa for an MFA. > What's he done that gives you?such an?unfavorable view of him, Robin? > > We tangled over the Walcott Oxford Business.? It wasn't just that we were on > opposite sides, but I wasn't deeply impressed by his style of argument and > general conduct, which on occasion involved revising (as he thought, > invisibly) the contents of his blog in order to adjust the record.? It > wasn't just that he was played as a patsy by some of the people attacking > Walcott, but that he made love to his employment.? For a former lawyer, he > struck me as just a tad credulous, to say the least. > > But if his blog's been taken down, there's some of the evidence gone.? Or > would be, if I hadn't documented and archived every single miserable item of > information?I encountered in the course of a somewhat strange month.? > > A messy business altogether. > > Robin > > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- k From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 14 07:54:00 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 14 07:54:00 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rae Armantrout wins Pulitzer In-Reply-To: <8CCA98F4142106B-10DC-3727@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCA98F4142106B-10DC-3727@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I am very sorry to hear of her disease, she does not deserve it (I am sorry this is what I thought, and thus wrote). While congratulations to her for her highly deserved Pulitzer Prize! Great Jury the one that found her. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:13 AM, wrote: > http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_14869644 > > SAN DIEGO?A California poet won a 2010 Pulitzer Prize on Monday for a book > of poetry that she feared she would never finish after she was diagnosed > with a rare form of cancer. > "Versed" is Rae Armantrout's 10th book. > > The first half of the book, published by Wesleyan University Press, focuses > on the dark forces gripping the United States as it fought the war against > Iraq, she said. The second half looks at the dark forces taking hold of her > own life after Armantrout was diagnosed in 2006 with adrenal cortical > cancer. > > "It was easy enough, in a way, to make that kind of metaphoric leap from > what was happening to American society to what was happening to my body with > the cancer," said the 62-year-old poetry professor at the University of > California, San Diego. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/1743a7ba/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 14 07:58:07 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 14 07:58:07 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] dappled thing In-Reply-To: <6ecd0.4a4dfd3b.38f51f38@cs.com> References: <6ecd0.4a4dfd3b.38f51f38@cs.com> Message-ID: Please let me add my own "lovely!" On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:13 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/12/2010 7:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, > jforjames at aol.com writes: > > > Dappled Thing > > > In the late afternoon, casting over > a dead still pool, the water churned > under my midge. Then it hit. The fish > was on. I struggled carefully to land it > on a sandbar as night fell. Catch > and release, I lowered the trout into > an easy cascade. As I let it go, along > its stippled side, I thought I saw a message, > a code that I could read in the failing light. It thrashed > once in my hands, disappeared into the dark waters. > I thought in that moment I could make out some secret > of the universe. But it?s always less than that. > Perhaps it?s simply a common proverb > spoken among fishes. Perhaps not > even that. The punch line of a joke > safe enough to share with a stranger. > > > Maybe a little pronoun ref problem in l. 3. Why not make the fish "she"? > Or he? Not sure of the coloration male vs. female in various trout. Sounds > like a brown to me. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/b60ebb7c/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 14 08:17:03 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 14 08:17:03 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I pasted James' list of why a poem can be unclear/difficult or obscure on my Blog. Thanks, a great work. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, wrote: > > This may not be up to Steiner level, but the last time this thread reared > its head, I taxonomized (*? la* BG) several kinds/types of difficulty... > Finnegan > Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: > > Purposefully Evading Understanding > The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any conventional > sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t be parsed or > comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader would think the > poet thin of mind, or it may > be just that the poet resists the notion that poems should be knowable. > > It's All There With Enough Time, Effort, And Will > It may take you several hours, days or weeks, years or a lifetime, but > nothing in the poem is not stated or has been misexpressed in a way that it > can never be comprehended or experienced fully. You might need a bigger > dictionary or full encyclopedia set, or the ability to develop the emotional > perspicacity of a Collette, but you can get there from here, eventually. > > Merely Readerly Failure > The poem is reasonably clear and understandable if the various references > and allusions made in the poem can be recognized and grasped. But they can?t > be: (a) Because you have different knowledge set or (b) you have a fairly > low level of erudition. The latter is not elitism; it?s a fact that the more > you?ve read and studied, the more you?re likely to understand. Some poets > prefer to throw a wide net. Others are perfectly happy that only readers of > a certain level of knowledge will gain entry to the poem?s fullest sense. > > The Translation Or Transference Problem > The poem was perfectly clear in the poet?s mind, but, as rendered, most > readers can?t understand it. A translation/transference problem occurred: > words as ?shabby equipment?, or the author?s inability to shape/make the > kinds of sentences and language elements that would make the poem > understandable across a wide & diverse group of readers > > Mimesis Doesn?t Mean Clear > Mimesis of the chaotic or confused: The world is chaotic, life is > disorderly and imperfectly understood by the human mind, therefore the poem > can or must mirror that disorder and chaos. The jigsaw puzzle spilled, with > no attempt made to organize and piece it together. > > Pushing Language To Its Limits > With a vast vocabulary and syntactical inventiveness, the poet uses the > language in a way that is often hard to follow, difficult to parse or make > sense of. Maybe the poet has pulled out all the stops or is pushing the > language envelope, so to speak. Think Hart Crane or Gerard Manley Hopkins. > Or the way Wallace Stevens feels his way through a poem by thinking based > more on sound than sense. Ordinary words can be apt neologisms in the hands > of certain poets. Gertrude Stein pressing ordinary rhetoric into the > ?surrhetorical?. > > The Attraction Of The Fragmentary And Disruptive > The aphoristic and imagistic attractiveness of certain sentences and > phrases are undeniable. So much so that some poets are content to string > these elements together or to splatter them about a page and just let them > do what they may in the mind of the reader. Sometimes it?s just enjoyable to > cut things up, to collage. To revel in the kaleidoscopic and ?kaleidosonic?: > the slamdance of words and syllables. To break sentences unexpectedly, to > leave the reader hanging on a ledge of words, to practice legerdemain with > language. > > It?s Ineffable Or Just Too Complicated > The difficulty/obscurity of the subject matter or the psychological state > that impelled the poem makes the poem difficult/obscure. The writer intended > to be clearer but couldn?t manage it and perhaps no writer will ever be > capable of capturing the meaning/essence of ?it? in words. The experience is > real but ineffable. The emotionally driven lyric flight, or the speaker > surrendering to a language rending state that may verge on glossalalia, > hysteria, or a speaking in tongues. Or, in fact, the subject matter is too > large in scope and too multi-faceted or too deeply layered to ever be > captured in language or in the space of a single poem or even a sequence of > poems. Think of the poem of America that Whitman almost managed to write. > > One Or More Possible Readings > The poem is composed in such a way that perfectly good readers will come > away with vastly divergent notions of what the poem is about or trying to > get at. No one reading is correct; all readings represent valid > interpretations and experiences of the poem. The composition may have been > intentionally constructed to expose multiple facets and interpretative > aspects. Or it just came out that way. Once the poem enters the public > domain, whether the poet intended this is somewhat beside the point; though > the poet has a right to be disappointed if his/her preferred > interpretation/experience wasn?t carried over to the reader (which is > related to translation/transference problem). > > Calling Attention To The Materiality of Language > The poem is meant to be an experience of perception, rather than to be > understood. The experience being on the level of the materiality of language > (sound, alphabetic construct, shape, etc., being foregrounded) and > consciously not employing the communicative elements that language offers. > Sound poetry, pure poetry, certain forms of language poetry. Of course, many > readers may experience it in many ways, which is generally not seen as a > deficiency but as an opportunity. > > It?s Surrealist, Fantastic or Dadaist > The poem intentionally takes the reader into a place where things aren?t > clear in any ordinary sense, in order to give the reader some new and > intriguing experience. Often employing extravagant collocations of things > and weird imagery. It can be the dream poem rendered exactly as remembered > or stream-of-consciousness dictated. Or, as in dadaism, the wholesale > rejection of poetry as anything more than a conceptual art or a > socio-political act that should push, if not shove, the reader out of > his/her complacency or literary comfort zone. > > Strictly Experimental As To Form Or Rule > The poem is using a particular pattern or formal construct for its > structure. The form is paramount, not the content. Poems based on a > mathematical sequence, like a Fibonacci. Ignoring grammar and syntax for > effect. Or language games: Purposefully substituting a random noun wherever > the verb is supposed to go in the sentence, for example. It?s Oulipo, baby. > > Too Spare And It Becomes An Open System > The poem is stripped down to a point that what words remain, as clear as > they are, invite or allow many different ways of fleshing out the poem in > reader?s mind. Or the poem is a pane and now many people are now going to > see many different things through it. The paradox of description: Too much > and too detailed in description and the reader?s mind is not be given free > rein to explore in & around what has been expressed, the mind gets lulled > and becomes too lazy to tease out nuances. Too little descriptive guidance > and all control of the reader?s experience or of any particular taking away > from the poem are surrendered, whether intentionally or unintentionally. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/74d11307/attachment.html From halvard Wed Apr 14 08:25:34 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 14 08:25:34 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Or possibly that the poet believes the poem should be understood in as many ways as possible? Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, wrote: Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: > > Purposefully Evading Understanding > > The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any > conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t > be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader > would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists > the notion that poems should be knowable. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Or possibly that the poet believes the poem should be understood in > as many ways as possible? > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, wrote: > > Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: >> >> Purposefully Evading Understanding >> > > >> The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any >> conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t >> be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader >> would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists >> the notion that poems should be knowable. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <3782F606-7A78-45DA-A727-3B75EB265DD8@ripon.edu> <8CCA710E1217F5A-BD8-E50A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> <1EA8A399-D522-43D0-9599-6F77A74299FE@ripon.edu> <8CCA931C3069E16-6D78-DA1F@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Include me out, as Sam Goldwyn used to say. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > the ob- poem would make a good awp panel, even roundtable (to they do those > anymore)? > > Anyone in? > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's Chinatown." posted to ursprache blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2007/05/its-chinatown.html Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Al Schirmacher To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:32 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Amnesty for difficult poetry - the "get it" principle As a reader of poetry - just speaking personally - I see four levels here: 1) "I get it!" 2) "Took a bit of thought and sweat, but I got it, and it was worth getting" 3) "Wow, this is hard, and I'm mostly not getting it" 4) "Forget it" As a communicator (pastor and occasional writer), I want my readers and listeners to get it, sometimes at level one, sometimes at level two, once in a great while at three. However, I never want to be at four. So, for purposes of communication impact, poetry that is not accessible to the target (and, perhaps, general) audience - IMHO - could be questioned. Al Schirmacher _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/d2949723/attachment.html From jforjames Wed Apr 14 11:56:55 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 14 11:56:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCAA124479CD1A-1DF0-8E0B@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> I had whole category for that one... One Or More Possible Readings The poem is composed in such a way that perfectly good readers will come away with vastly divergent notions of what the poem is about or trying to get at. No one reading is correct; all readings represent valid interpretations and experiences of the poem. The composition may have been intentionally constructed to expose multiple facets and interpretative aspects. Or it just came out that way. Once the poem enters the public domain, whether the poet intended this is somewhat beside the point; though the poet has a right to be disappointed if his/her preferred interpretation/experience wasn?t carried over to the reader (which is related to translation/transference problem). -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? Or possibly that the poet believes the poem should be understood in as many ways as possible? Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, wrote: Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: Purposefully Evading Understanding The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists the notion that poems should be knowable. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/66e83bc6/attachment.html From halvard Wed Apr 14 12:09:52 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 14 12:09:52 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <8CCAA124479CD1A-1DF0-8E0B@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAA124479CD1A-1DF0-8E0B@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Maybe should have been part of the part I quoted then? Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM, wrote: > I had whole category for that one... > > One Or More Possible Readings > The poem is composed in such a way that perfectly good readers will come > away with vastly divergent notions of what the poem is about or trying to > get at. No one reading is correct; all readings represent valid > interpretations and experiences of the poem. The composition may have been > intentionally constructed to expose multiple facets and interpretative > aspects. Or it just came out that way. Once the poem enters the public > domain, whether the poet intended this is somewhat beside the point; though > the poet has a right to be disappointed if his/her preferred > interpretation/experience wasn?t carried over to the reader (which is > related to translation/transference problem). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? > > Or possibly that the poet believes the poem should be understood in > as many ways as possible? > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, wrote: > > Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: >> >> Purposefully Evading Understanding >> > > >> The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any >> conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t >> be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader >> would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists >> the notion that poems should be knowable. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/77533251/attachment.html From jforjames Wed Apr 14 12:31:53 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 14 12:31:53 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report Message-ID: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> I ran to New Haven's Beinecke Library late yesterday afternoon to catch Lyn Hejinian's reading. She has a nice reading style and smart, engaging manner. See read exclusively, I believe, from "Book of Ten Thousand Eyes" http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Hejinian.php Pace this discussion of difficulty, I can't say was completely in touch with what she read. The poem/sequence/project was informed she said by Scheherazade and her tales in The Arabian Nights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheherazade The sections she read (of what seemed a large discursive sequence) were an odd mix of the sophisticated and the naive. It certainly was the kind of project that involved many elements of experience and levels of diction. I couldn't find a 'through line' but that may have to do with 10,000 eyes idea that the poem is using as its 'disorganizing' principle (many vantage points). She mentioned parts of it being erotic, but I didn't hear much eroticism...There was a funny back & forth bit between two lovers about taking off one's underpants. There was long Steinian riffing on the word 'credulity'...but it went through some many iterations it got tiresome. Pushed past anyone's capability invention. One of the naive sequences (a dream she had) involved addressing an 'owl wrapped in towel' (?...playing with rime). She took like a childish pleasure in that short segment. Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections more than others. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/445575d5/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 14 12:40:55 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 14 12:40:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? In-Reply-To: <8CCAA124479CD1A-1DF0-8E0B@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAA124479CD1A-1DF0-8E0B@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, exactly, sorry. I had to run out and could not go back. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:51 PM, wrote: > I had whole category for that one... > > One Or More Possible Readings > The poem is composed in such a way that perfectly good readers will come > away with vastly divergent notions of what the poem is about or trying to > get at. No one reading is correct; all readings represent valid > interpretations and experiences of the poem. The composition may have been > intentionally constructed to expose multiple facets and interpretative > aspects. Or it just came out that way. Once the poem enters the public > domain, whether the poet intended this is somewhat beside the point; though > the poet has a right to be disappointed if his/her preferred > interpretation/experience wasn?t carried over to the reader (which is > related to translation/transference problem). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: [Amnesty for difficult poetry? > > Or possibly that the poet believes the poem should be understood in > as many ways as possible? > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, wrote: > > Some Characteristics Of An Unclear/Difficult/Obscure Poem: >> >> Purposefully Evading Understanding >> > > >> The poem was not meant to be clear or to be understood in any >> conventional sense. Purposefully the poet has crafted something that can?t >> be parsed or comprehended. It may have been out of fear that the reader >> would think the poet thin of mind, or it may be just that the poet resists >> the notion that poems should be knowable. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/b887703f/attachment.html From jforjames Wed Apr 14 13:26:10 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 14 13:26:10 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report (corrected version) In-Reply-To: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCAA1EBE3C473C-226C-9220@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> CORRECTED VERSION: I ran down to New Haven and Yale's Beinecke Library late yesterday afternoon to catch Lyn Hejinian's reading. She has a nice reading style and smart, engaging manner. See read exclusively, I believe, from "Book of Ten Thousand Eyes" http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Hejinian.php Pace the recent discussion of difficulty, I can't say was completely in touch with what she read. The poem/sequence/project was informed she said by Scheherazade and her tales in The Arabian Nights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheherazade The sections she read (of what seemed a large discursive sequence) were an odd mix of the sophisticated and the naive. It certainly was the kind of project that involved many elements of experience and levels of diction. I couldn't find a 'through line' but that may have to do with '10,000 eyes' idea that the poem is using as its 'disorganizing' principle (many vantage points). She mentioned parts of the piece as being erotic, but I didn't hear much eroticism...There was a funny back & forth bit between two lovers about taking off one's underpants. There was a long Steinian riffing on the word 'credulity'...but it went through so many iterations it got tiresome. Pushed past anyone's capability at invention. One of the naive sequences (based on a dream she had) involved addressing an 'owl wrapped in towel' (?...playing with rime). She took almost a childish pleasure in that short segment. Overall I enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections more than others. Finnegan _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/767682ed/attachment.html From halvard Wed Apr 14 13:52:47 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 14 13:52:47 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report In-Reply-To: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Reminds me that the only thing my father ever had to say about my writing was that he liked some things more than others. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections > more than others. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/a686d1a4/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 14 14:33:23 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 14 14:33:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report (corrected version) In-Reply-To: <8CCAA1EBE3C473C-226C-9220@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> <8CCAA1EBE3C473C-226C-9220@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That is fine, I read the other version without any problems, :-) And thanks for sharing. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:20 PM, wrote: > CORRECTED VERSION: > I ran down to New Haven and Yale's Beinecke Library late yesterday > afternoon to catch Lyn Hejinian's reading. > > She has a nice reading style and smart, engaging manner. > > See read exclusively, I believe, from "Book of Ten Thousand Eyes" > http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Hejinian.php > > Pace the recent discussion of difficulty, I can't say was completely in > touch with what she read. > The poem/sequence/project was informed she said by Scheherazade and her > tales in The Arabian Nights > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheherazade > The sections she read (of what seemed a large discursive sequence) were > an odd mix of the sophisticated and the naive. > It certainly was the kind of project that involved many elements of > experience and levels of diction. I couldn't find a 'through line' > but that may have to do with '10,000 eyes' idea that the poem is using as > its 'disorganizing' principle (many vantage points). > > She mentioned parts of the piece as being erotic, but I didn't hear much > eroticism...There was a funny back & forth > bit between two lovers about taking off one's underpants. > > There was a long Steinian riffing on the word 'credulity'...but it went > through so many iterations it got > tiresome. Pushed past anyone's capability at invention. > > One of the naive sequences (based on a dream she had) involved addressing > an 'owl wrapped in towel' (?...playing with > rime). She took almost a childish pleasure in that short segment. > > Overall I enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections > more than others. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone guess who is the sole 20th Century poet on Hass's > list? > -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/f5bfb734/attachment.html From halvard Wed Apr 14 16:27:00 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 14 16:27:00 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert Hass? Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:18 PM, David Graham wrote: > Robert Hass answers the question of which small handful of poetry books > he could not live without. > > http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/show/520.Robert_Hass > > He names five. Can anyone guess who is the sole 20th Century poet on > Hass's list? > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/0706c3ab/attachment.html From jforjames Wed Apr 14 19:48:12 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:48:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report In-Reply-To: References: <8CCAA171E30F99F-1DF0-9603@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCAA5418157EED-1DE0-7FC1@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Wise man, your fat Jim Finnegan 860-508-2810 -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report Reminds me that the only thing my father ever had to say about my writing was that he liked some things more than others. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections more than others. Finnegan _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections more than others. 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 PM, wrote: > father. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:42 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report > > Wise man, your fat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report > > Reminds me that the only thing my father ever had to say > about my writing was that he liked some things more than > others. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > > Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the >> sections more than others. >> Finnegan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 PM, wrote: father. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: halvard at gmail.com; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report Wise man, your fat -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lyn Hejinian reading report Reminds me that the only thing my father ever had to say about my writing was that he liked some things more than others. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: Overall it enjoyed her presence, her reading style and some of the sections more than others. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100414/fea692da/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Thu Apr 15 01:48:33 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu Apr 15 01:48:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: New Ballona Blog Featuring Poetry from Many Wompos--And Many More If You Submit, Too In-Reply-To: <5D7CDF7A-01FD-4924-8026-44589D2A83A5@mac.com> References: <5D7CDF7A-01FD-4924-8026-44589D2A83A5@mac.com> Message-ID: [from the wompo] Dearest Wompos: A note from Richard Beban. The Friends of Ballona Wetlands, the non-profit for whom I work, launched the Ballona Blog Monday , only about six months behind schedule. Too busy fundraising to have publishing fun. But now it's up, and it'll bring news of the natural world, and, on Tuesdays, bring the best work of environmentally minded poets across the country and the world. We started Tuesday with Christopher Merrill, and the next five Tuesday poets will be: Annie Finch (a special Earth Day poem + another) Linda Pastan Ron Koertge Ann Fisher-Wirth and Susan Terris. In later weeks, Ellen Bass, Dan Bellm, Janet Burroway, Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Michael Salcman, C.J. Sage, Caroline Williamson, and many more. Not only do we have GREAT poetry, but each poet offers a "place bio" that is a creation of joy and beauty. We're also linking each one to a Google Map of their area. There's an RSS feed so you can subscribe. We post five days a week. Consider this also a general call for submissions from Wompos, and look at any of the Tuesday posts to see the basics of what we need. We want (preferably unpublished, but we'll take great previously published work): 1.) A great poem related to an estuary, wetland, bog, fen, swamp or other natural site; 2.) a "place biography" about your favorite nearest (or most memorable) wetlands or body of water; and 3.) a SHORT bio (two lines?), and links to your own Webpage, so we can promote YOU. Any questions? Don't reply here, but e-mail me please ONLY at richardb at ballonafriends.org. That way I can keep submissions straight. As the Ballona Wetlands Ecological Reserve is a small but integral part of the larger 128-square-mile Ballona Watershed, so will our blog use Ballona as a starting point to bring watershed worthy news from all over the Web. In addition to news and updates on the work of the Friends as stewards of Ballona, and news of our friends working on behalf of the environment all over the world, the blog will also include: - Weekly Tuesday posts and watershed biographies from the finest poets and writers from around the neighborhood, the country and the world - Weekly Thursday posts on local Playa del Rey and Ballona Valley history from local historian Duke Dukesherer - Updates on regional, national, and international wetland issues, with a special focus on news from the Ballona Watershed - And, with your help, great reader feedback and featured reader comments. --Richard Beban p.s. 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Volume XI, Number 2 Spring/Summer 2010 Featured Poet: Brian Turner Additional Poets: Cynthia Atkins, Nathaniel Bellows, Michael Blumentahal, Kathryn Stripling Byer, Robin Chapman, Brad Clompus, Mark DeFoe, Heather Derr-Smith, Sean Thomas Dougherty, Rebecca Dunham, R.G. Evans, Charles Fishman, Rebecca Foust, Pamela Gemin, Henrietta Goodman, William Greenway, Carolyn Guinzio, James Harms, Gwen Hart, Marilyn Kallet, Karen Kovacik, Cheryl Lachowski, Lisa Lewis, Norman Minnick, Richard Newman, Joanna Pearson, Kevin Pilkington, Thomas Reiter, Susan Rich, Richard Schiffman, Katherine Soniat, Catherine Staples, Christine Stewart-Nunez, Sally Van Doren, Bob Watts, Valerie Wohlfeld Interview: Q & A: Brian Turner Interviewed by Edward Byrne Essay: ?Lunch with Larry,? Alexander Long on Larry Levis and Philip Levine Poets Reviewed: Marguerite Bouvard, Patricia Fargnoli, Charlotte Mandel, Kevin Pilkington, Brian Turner Cover Art Commentary: Gregg Hertzlieb on Thomas Kapsalis http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/coverv11n2.html -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Faculty Page: http://www.valpo.edu/english/faculty/byrne.php Latest Book: http://www.turningpointbooks.com/byrne.html Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ VPR Editor's Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Twitter: http://twitter.com/valpopoetry Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Judy now in Norfolk, VA, formerly from Chicago On 15 April 2010 08:16, Edward Byrne wrote: > I am pleased to announce publication of the Spring/Summer 2010 issue > (Volume XI, Number 2) of Valparaiso Poetry Review, which includes Brian > Turner as the featured poet. Readers will be fascinated by Turner?s three > poems in this issue. Furthermore, I believe the interview with him, as well > as a review of his new book released this month, will offer added insight > into the unique and compelling perspectives evident in a significant poet?s > writing, especially concerning elements of war or its aftermath for soldiers > and civilians. > > Volume XI, Number 2 > Spring/Summer 2010 > > Featured Poet: Brian Turner > > Additional Poets: Cynthia Atkins, Nathaniel Bellows, Michael Blumentahal, > Kathryn Stripling Byer, Robin Chapman, Brad Clompus, Mark DeFoe, Heather > Derr-Smith, Sean Thomas Dougherty, Rebecca Dunham, R.G. Evans, Charles > Fishman, Rebecca Foust, Pamela Gemin, Henrietta Goodman, William Greenway, > Carolyn Guinzio, James Harms, Gwen Hart, Marilyn Kallet, Karen Kovacik, > Cheryl Lachowski, Lisa Lewis, Norman Minnick, Richard Newman, Joanna > Pearson, Kevin Pilkington, Thomas Reiter, Susan Rich, Richard Schiffman, > Katherine Soniat, Catherine Staples, Christine Stewart-Nunez, Sally Van > Doren, Bob Watts, Valerie Wohlfeld > > Interview: Q & A: Brian Turner Interviewed by Edward Byrne > > Essay: ?Lunch with Larry,? Alexander Long on Larry Levis and Philip Levine > > Poets Reviewed: Marguerite Bouvard, Patricia Fargnoli, Charlotte Mandel, > Kevin Pilkington, Brian Turner > > Cover Art Commentary: Gregg Hertzlieb on Thomas Kapsalis > > > http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/coverv11n2.html > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Edward Byrne > Department of English > 322 Huegli Hall > Valparaiso University > Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 > > E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu > Home Page: > http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ > Faculty Page: > http://www.valpo.edu/english/faculty/byrne.php > Latest Book: > http://www.turningpointbooks.com/byrne.html > > Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review > E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu > VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ > VPR Editor's Blog: > http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ > Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/valpopoetry > Fax: (219) 464-5511 > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I appreciate about Valpo as a journal is that Ed has always featured a lot of reviews & essays along with original poetry. His blog, One Poet's Notes, is similarly impressive--really a goldmine of thoughtful commentaries on poetry, modern & contemporary. http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/coverv11n2.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Judy Prince wrote: > Thanks, Edward, for letting us know about the publication of the Spring/Summer 2010 issue of Valparaiso Poetry Review, and the names of the poets whose work is in it. > > Did you let us NewPoetry listmembers know about submitting our work to the publication? If so, I must have missed that post. > > Can you tell me more about Valpo PR's mission statement or preferred flavours of poetry? > > Best, > > Judy now in Norfolk, VA, formerly from Chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100415/480acbb5/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Thu Apr 15 07:44:29 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Thu Apr 15 07:44:29 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Announcement: Spring/Summer 2010 issue of VPR In-Reply-To: <303682FB-398A-42E2-9E8E-B160994A9D3A@ripon.edu> References: <4BC6BD470200006E000633EE@gwdm1.valpo.edu> <303682FB-398A-42E2-9E8E-B160994A9D3A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4BC7171E.4090303@opus40.org> Put me down as another fan of Valpo and One Poet's Notes. I'd gladly give Ed the fifty grand that Bob Grumman is so concerned about. David Graham wrote: > > Judy, even better than having Ed tell you about Valparaiso Poetry > Review, I suggest that you read through some back issues. It's a > terrfic journal. > > Ed's been a faithful member of this list for a long time, though he > doesn't always post much; and he has, in fact, published a number of > NewPo subscribers down through the years (yes, including me). > > More importantly, he's established and maintained one of the best > online poetry journals, repeatedly making the case, by example, that > online publication is just as worthy as print publication. Go have a > look through the archives: it's a splendid read. > > One thing I appreciate about Valpo as a journal is that Ed has always > featured a lot of reviews & essays along with original poetry. > > His blog, One Poet's Notes, is similarly impressive--really a goldmine > of thoughtful commentaries on poetry, modern & contemporary. > > http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ > > > http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/coverv11n2.html > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Judy Prince wrote: > >> Thanks, Edward, for letting us know about the publication of the >> Spring/Summer 2010 issue of /Valparaiso Poetry Review/, and the names >> of the poets whose work is in it. >> >> Did you let us NewPoetry listmembers know about submitting our work >> to the publication? If so, I must have missed that post. >> >> Can you tell me more about Valpo PR's mission statement or preferred >> flavours of poetry? >> >> Best, >> >> Judy now in Norfolk, VA, formerly from Chicago > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From pastoral Thu Apr 15 09:03:04 2010 From: pastoral (Pastor Al Schirmacher) Date: Thu Apr 15 09:03:04 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books References: Message-ID: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> Re: Hass's Desert Island BooksPersonal five: * Luci Shaw * Eliot * Frost * Collins * John Leax Al Schirmacher ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books If I had to choose just 5 desert island books of poetry, and if I were allowed to count Shakespeare's collected works as one, my list would be fairly easy. All would be collected editions. Shakespeare Whitman Dickinson Frost William Carlos Williams On 4/14/10 4:18 PM, "David Graham" wrote: Robert Hass answers the question of which small handful of poetry books he could not live without. http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/show/520.Robert_Hass He names five. Can anyone guess who is the sole 20th Century poet on Hass's list? -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a terrfic journal. >> >> Ed's been a faithful member of this list for a long time, though he >> doesn't always post much; and he has, in fact, published a number of NewPo >> subscribers down through the years (yes, including me). >> More importantly, he's established and maintained one of the best online >> poetry journals, repeatedly making the case, by example, that online >> publication is just as worthy as print publication. Go have a look through >> the archives: it's a splendid read. >> >> One thing I appreciate about Valpo as a journal is that Ed has always >> featured a lot of reviews & essays along with original poetry. >> His blog, One Poet's Notes, is similarly impressive--really a goldmine of >> thoughtful commentaries on poetry, modern & contemporary. >> >> http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/coverv11n2.html >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Judy Prince wrote: >> >> Thanks, Edward, for letting us know about the publication of the >>> Spring/Summer 2010 issue of /Valparaiso Poetry Review/, and the names of the >>> poets whose work is in it. >>> Did you let us NewPoetry listmembers know about submitting our work to >>> the publication? If so, I must have missed that post. >>> Can you tell me more about Valpo PR's mission statement or preferred >>> flavours of poetry? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Judy now in Norfolk, VA, formerly from Chicago >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100415/77315cde/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Fri Apr 16 02:36:08 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri Apr 16 02:36:08 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: Vigil by Dennis O'Driscoll Life is too short to sleep through. Stay up late, wait until the sea of traffic ebbs, until noise has drained from the world like blood from the cheeks of the full moon. Everyone else around you has succumbed: they lie like tranquillised pets on a vet's table; they languish on hospital trolleys and friends' couches, on iron beds in hostels for the homeless, under feather duvets at tourist B&Bs. The radio, devoid of listeners to confide in, turns repetitious. You are your own voice-over. You are alone in the bone-weary tower of your bleary-eyed, blinking lighthouse, watching the spillage of tide on the shingle inlet. You are the single-minded one who hears time shaking from the clock's fingertips like drops, who watches its hands chop years into diced seconds, who knows that when the church bell tolls at 2 or 3 it tolls unmistakably for you. You are the sole hand on deck when temperatures plummet and the hull of an iceberg is jostling for prominence. Your confidential number is the life-line where the sedated long-distance voices of despair hold out muzzily for an answer. You are the emergency services' driver ready to dive into action at the first warning signs of birth or death. You spot the crack in night's fa?ade even before the red-eyed businessman on look-out from his transatlantic seat. You are the only reliable witness to when the light is separated from the darkness, who has learned to see the dark in its true colours, who has not squandered your life. "Vigil" by Dennis O'Driscoll, from "New and Selected Poems, 2004". ? Anvil Press Poetry. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone guess who is the sole 20th Century poet on Hass's list? > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean, how am I going to get my OED out there, and can I shift the Bible to non fiction or reference? Additionally, on a desert island, assuming alone and with no hope of rescue and no radio like Gilligan's Island had -- does one continue to write? probably, if there's nothing else to do and only a few books to read; got to fill the time until the coconut liquor distills, right? so I imagine some sort of -- paper? pens? always a little more difficult in the tropics On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, David Graham wrote: > Two of these unknown to me: Luci Shaw, John Leax. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote: > > Personal five: > > * Luci Shaw > * Eliot > * Frost > * Collins > * John Leax > > Al Schirmacher > > > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The list of poets participating can be found here: * http://ofkells.blogspot.com/2010/04/want-free-poetry-books-mailed-to-your.html * You do not need to have a blog to enter the giveaways, you just need an email address so if you win, they can contact you to mail you your free book! Just go to the different blogs and leave a comment under their giveaway post and you are entered...it's just that easy! Each blog is giving away at least 2 poetry books and some blogs offer extra things (i.e. I'm giving away a subscription to Crab Creek Review <* http://www.crabcreekreview.org*> ), so you have over 100 chances to win a free book. Feel free to forward this onto anyone who loves poetry and might like to win a free poetry book in celebration of National Poetry Month! Hope this email finds you well and surrounded by words.... Happy Poetry Month 2010! All best, Kelli -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/3d49b53d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Fri Apr 16 13:33:28 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:33:28 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Conference goings on In-Reply-To: <8CCABAE9F446079-6CC-83E4@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCABAE9F446079-6CC-83E4@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The fashion correspondent didn't have much luck there... They should introduce a compulsory course in physical education for all the intellectuals, be it at work or at U. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:03 PM, wrote: > Missed it again...but lots of blogging about 2010 AWP conference... > > http://www.calebjross.com/awpblog/ > > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/awp-some-thoughts-1/#more-10520 > > http://blog.32poems.com/1490/awp-2010-recap-thursday > > > http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/thoughts_on_the_2010_awp_conference_in_denver_part_2/C39/L39/ > > And a fashion correspondent.. > > http://blog.modcloth.com/2010-04-12-tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/afa9d914/attachment.html From junction Fri Apr 16 13:55:14 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:55:14 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Waterproof books and notebooks, build boat of same, problem solved. At 11:29 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >http://www.lucishaw.com/ >blurbed by BH Fairchild > >and >John Leax >http://www.thehighcalling.org/Library/Browsing_Author.asp?AuthorID=69 > >http://campus.houghton.edu/orgs/english/Jack's_page.htm > >falling under "contemporary Christian poetry" > >although I wonder at the category, as so much American poetry is >religious -- and Christian -- in nature > >perhaps because this is free verse, not particularly mystical or >based in the Bible? > >right now, my five are King James Bible, Shakespeare, Chaucer, >Boccacio and Dante, but I wonder -- do I get five works of fiction >and five reference works as well? I mean, how am I going to get my >OED out there, and can I shift the Bible to non fiction or >reference? Additionally, on a desert island, assuming alone and >with no hope of rescue and no radio like Gilligan's Island had -- >does one continue to write? probably, if there's nothing else to do >and only a few books to read; got to fill the time until the coconut >liquor distills, right? so I imagine some sort of -- paper? >pens? always a little more difficult in the tropics > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, David Graham ><grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote: >Two of these unknown to me: Luci Shaw, John Leax. > > > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd at ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.me.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote: > >>Personal five: >> >>* Luci Shaw >>* Eliot >>* Frost >>* Collins >>* John Leax >> >>Al Schirmacher >> > > >-- >All best, >Catherine Daly >c.a.b.daly at gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. 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Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/facf2729/attachment.html From junction Fri Apr 16 14:16:20 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:16:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Conference goings on In-Reply-To: References: <8CCABAE9F446079-6CC-83E4@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Grad student chic. For politically correct seduction. At 04:06 PM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >Dowdy is in? > >- Jim > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Anny Ballardini ><anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >The fashion correspondent didn't have much luck there... >They should introduce a compulsory course in >physical education for all the intellectuals, be it at work or at U. > > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:03 PM, ><jforjames at aol.com> wrote: >Missed it again...but lots of blogging about 2010 AWP conference... > >http://www.calebjross.com/awpblog/ > >http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/awp-some-thoughts-1/#more-10520 > >http://blog.32poems.com/1490/awp-2010-recap-thursday > >http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/thoughts_on_the_2010_awp_conference_in_denver_part_2/C39/L39/ > >And a fashion correspondent.. >http://blog.modcloth.com/2010-04-12-tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > >? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >Giovenale > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/595583ef/attachment.html From bobgrumman Fri Apr 16 14:35:49 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:35:49 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> I thought it'd be amusing to reveal my selection to show the difference between poets like me who haven't and never will make it, and poets like Hass: the works of Clark Coolidge, Ron Silliman, P. Inman, and two other language poets I've never read to be selected by Ron Silliman--because I feel incompetent about language poetry--and prefer exploration to rereading old favorites. Second thought. If required to pick favorites, I would choose the complete works of Scott Helmes, a contemporary. I'd want to pick the works of at least one other contemporary but am not sure which one. I tend to think most New-Poetry players of this game would choose from poets at their peak in the twentieth century or before, and consider the twentieth century to have ended in 1960. Which reminds me of another recurrent thought of mine: that no Wilshberia poet is as good as the five or six best poets in English of the first half of the century, whoever you think they are. In other words, there were at least five anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best conventional anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets consider our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely unknown to our college English departments. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini Fri Apr 16 14:43:27 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:43:27 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: How many thoughts you have, Bob! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I thought it'd be amusing to reveal my selection to > show the difference between poets like me who > haven't and never will make it, and poets like > Hass: the works of Clark Coolidge, Ron Silliman, > P. Inman, and two other language poets I've > never read to be selected by Ron Silliman--because > I feel incompetent about language poetry--and prefer > exploration to rereading old favorites. > > Second thought. If required to pick favorites, I would choose > the complete works of Scott Helmes, a contemporary. I'd want to pick the > works of at least one other contemporary but am not sure which one. I tend > to think most New-Poetry players of this game would choose from poets > at their peak in the twentieth century or before, and consider the > twentieth century to have ended in 1960. > > Which reminds me of another recurrent thought of mine: that no Wilshberia > poet is as good as the five or six best poets in English of the first half > of the > century, whoever you think they are. In other words, there were at least > five > anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or > Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best conventional > anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. > > Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets > consider > our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely > unknown to our college English departments. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/948543f8/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 Fri Apr 16 14:54:42 2010 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:54:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL><3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <1936CE71FACC4B8C83484D7C578C9130@RobinLaptopPC> > I tend > to think most New-Poetry players of this game would choose from poets > at their peak in the twentieth century or before, and consider the > twentieth century to have ended in 1960. I'd stick to the middle ages -- chaucer, langland, the gawain poet, henryson, and dunbar. Those five are quite enough for anyone. > ...there were at least five > anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or > Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best conventional > anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. I'm inclined to agree with Bob here -- Yeats, Hardy, Frost, Stevens, Eliot, Pound ... [etc.] -- a hard act to follow. > Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets > consider > our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely > unknown to our college English departments. Now here, I'm not so sure. If you look back across the period between 1350 and 1900, virtually every poet who's remained of living interest (the two exceptions are William Blake and Emily Dickinson) were recognised as considerable in their own lifetimes. Really, there ain't that many major mute (or unrecognised) Miltons. {Though the recognition was performed by an informed reading public and not the English Departments, which didn't exist then.} In some ways, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy -- poets who are recognised become part of the tradition and so we learn to read them and start from there. Or summat. Robin From jforjames Fri Apr 16 15:10:23 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 16 15:10:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: May 3 & 4: Annual Chapbook Festival! SAVE THE DATE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCABBFA14F017A-F08-19CEF@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> From: Bozicevic, Ana To: POETRY-l at GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 4:55 pm Subject: May 3 & 4: Annual Chapbook Festival! SAVE THE DATE! Save the date! Please join us for this year?s Annual Chapbook Festival, free and open to the public. Visit the bookfair and the marathon readings! Registration for free workshops is now open ? see below for instructions. Full schedule also at www.chapbookfestival.org ANNUAL CHAPBOOK FESTIVAL Monday May 3 &Tuesday May 4, 2010 The Festival celebrates the chapbook as a work of art and as a medium for alternative and emerging writers and publishers. Now in its second year, the festival features a two-day bookfair with chapbook publishers from around the country, workshops, marathon poetry readings, and a closing-night reading of prize-winning Chapbook Fellows. Co-sponsored by The Office of Academic Affairs, The Center for the Humanities, The Graduate Center and MFA Programs in Creative Writing of the City University of New York, The Center for Book Arts, Poets House, Poetry Society of America, and Poets & Writers Schedule of Events Bookfair 11:30am to 7pm both days (May 3-4) in the Proshansky Auditorium Lobby, C Level Free and open to the public MONDAY, MAY 3, 2010 Workshops C Level Breakout Rooms Free registration required. To attend workshops, please register by e-mailing abozicevic at gc.cuny.edu 10 ? 11:30am Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Poets Brenda Iijima (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs) and Rachel Levitsky (Belladonna*), with Stephen Motika (Poets House) 10 ? 11:30am Do-It-Yourself Chapbooks: Make and Distribute Your Own Mary Gannon and Jean Hartig (Poets & Writers Magazine), Emily Goodale (Brave Men Press), Matvei Yankelevich (Ugly Duckling Presse), and others 11:30am ? 1pm Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Publishers Jan Heller Levi (Hunter College), Rachel Levitsky (Belladonna*), and others 11:30am ? 1pm Chapbooks as Art Objects Roni Gross (Roni Gross Design), and Jeremy Thompson (The Autotypograph), with Sarah Nicholls (Center for Book Arts) Chapbook Poets: A Marathon Reading 2 ? 7pm, C Level Breakout Rooms Poets from participating presses read. Full lineup to be announced on www.chapbookfestival.org shortly. Free and open to the public. Opening Reception 7 ? 8pm, Proshansky Auditorum Lobby TUESDAY, MAY 4, 2010 Workshops C Level Breakout Rooms Free registration required. To attend workshops, please register by e-mailing abozicevic at gc.cuny.edu 10 ? 11:30am Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Poets Sommer Browning (Flying Guillotine Press), Jill Magi (Sona Books), and Daniel Lin (Love Among the Ruins) 10 ? 11:30am Do-It-Yourself Chapbooks: Make and Distribute Your Own Mary Gannon and Jean Hartig (Poets & Writers Magazine), Emily Goodale (Brave Men Press), Anna Moschovakis (Ugly Duckling Presse), and others 11:30am ? 1pm Producing Chapbooks: A Workshop for Publishers Jan Heller Levi (Hunter College), Andrew Levy (CRAYON Magazine), and others 11:30am ? 1pm Chapbooks as Art Objects Roni Gross (Roni Gross Design) and Jeremy Thompson (The Autotypograph), with Sarah Nicholls (Center for Book Arts) Chapbook Poets: A Marathon Reading 2 ? 7pm, C Level Breakout Rooms Poets from participating presses read. Full lineup to be announced on www.chapbookfestival.org shortly. Free and open to the public. PSA Chapbook Fellowship Reading 7pm, Martin E. Segal Theatre Alice Quinn with judges Mark Doty, Linda Gregg, and Arthur Sze, and winners Jocelyn Casey-Whiteman, Haines Eason, Heidi Johannesen Poon, and Stephanie Adams-Santos. Followed by reception. Free and open to the public. On Wednesday, May 5, The Center for Book Arts will host printing and bookbinding workshops, from 10-1 and 2-5. To sign up, call 212-481-0295. For more information, visit their website. Participating publishers 2nd Ave Poetry Bateau Press Belladonna* BOOK Works Booklyn BookThug Business Press Cervena Barva Press Concrete Wolf Chapbook Press Corollary Press Creature Press Cy Gist Press DoubleCross Press Dusie Kollektiv Effing Press Etched Press Finishing Line Press Five Spice Poetry Flying Guillotine Press Forklift, Ohio Greying Ghost Press Instance Press Kissena Park Press Little Scratch Pad Love Among the Ruins Magic Helicopter Books Noemi Press Open Thread Publications Pen Press Plan B Press Pleasure Boat Studio: A Literary Press Poets Wear Prada Poinciana Paper Press Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs Rain Taxi River Poets Journal/Lilly Press Sarabande Books Seven Kitchens Press Slapering Hol Press Small Anchor Press Sona Books Spire Press sunnyoutside Tarpaulin Sky Press The Physiocrats Toadlily Press Ugly Duckling Presse Upset Press X-ing Press/Agriculture Reader and others! For information about last year's Chapbook Festival, download the pdf program, or visit the press links below. "Celebrating the Chapbook: Postcard From New York City", April 2009, Poets & Writers "Spoils of the Chapbook Fair", April 2009, HTMLGIANT "A Celebration of the Chapbook", July 2009, 365 Fifth ======================================== You are subscribed to the POETRY-l List with e-mail address jforjames at AOL.COM To unsubscribe at any time, please follow these UNSUBSCRIBE instructions: end any email (subject and text are ignored) to POETRY-l-SIGNOFF-REQUEST at GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU or click here: ttp://gc.listserv.cuny.edu/scriptsgc/wa-gc.exe?SUBED1=POETRY-l&A=1&s=jforjames at AOL.COM -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From jforjames Fri Apr 16 15:59:30 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 16 15:59:30 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL><3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> <4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CCABC68A703B32-6CC-A61A@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> This just in: Man found hanging from lone palm on desert island. Several books found splayed about beneath him. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books I thought it'd be amusing to reveal my selection to show the difference between poets like me who haven't and never will make it, and poets like Hass: the works of Clark Coolidge, Ron Silliman, P. Inman, and two other language poets I've never read to be selected by Ron Silliman--because I feel incompetent about language poetry--and prefer exploration to rereading old favorites. Second thought. If required to pick favorites, I would choose the complete works of Scott Helmes, a contemporary. I'd want to pick the works of at least one other contemporary but am not sure which one. I tend to think most New-Poetry players of this game would choose from poets at their peak in the twentieth century or before, and consider the twentieth century to have ended in 1960. Which reminds me of another recurrent thought of mine: that no Wilshberia poet is as good as the five or six best poets in English of the first half of the century, whoever you think they are. In other words, there were at least five anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best conventional anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets consider our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely unknown to our college English departments. --Bob G. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/14881851/attachment.html From bobgrumman Fri Apr 16 16:13:14 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri Apr 16 16:13:14 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: <1936CE71FACC4B8C83484D7C578C9130@RobinLaptopPC> References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL><3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon .edu><4BC8D7BD.80401@nut-n-but.net> <1936CE71FACC4B8C83484D7C578C9130@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: <4BC8EE8D.2080504@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: >> I tend >> to think most New-Poetry players of this game would choose from poets >> at their peak in the twentieth century or before, and consider the >> twentieth century to have ended in 1960. > > I'd stick to the middle ages -- chaucer, langland, the gawain poet, > henryson, and dunbar. Those five are quite enough for anyone. But, Robin, you're a crazy reactionary. > >> ...there were at least five >> anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery >> or Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you considerED the best >> conventional anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob here -- Yeats, Hardy, Frost, Stevens, > Eliot, Pound ... [etc.] -- a hard act to follow. > >> Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets >> considerED (it drives me crazy that it's so hard for me to type "ed") >> our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets >> completely unknown to our college English departments. > > Now here, I'm not so sure. If you look back across the period between > 1350 and 1900, virtually every poet who's remained of living interest > (the two exceptions are William Blake and Emily Dickinson) were > recognised as considerable in their own lifetimes. Really, there > ain't that many major mute (or unrecognised) Miltons. {Though the > recognition was performed by an informed reading public and not the > English Departments, which didn't exist then.} > > In some ways, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy -- poets who are > recognised become part of the tradition and so we learn to read them > and start from there. Or summat. The obvious difference between then and now, Robin, is that there are a huge number of people around now. And we all get published: I greatly doubt the existence of mute Miltons, but why not unpublished troubadours? Not mute, but unknown. Also, the poets I'm thinking of who will take a generation or more to come into their own are already possibly known to as many people as most former canonical poets were, yet still unknown to the general (greatly enlarged) reading public. Another factor is that nowadays there are many significantly different kinds of poetry, so it's easier for conventional poetry to defend itself. Because many of the unconventional poetries will be fighting among themselves for visibility. Like the language poets versus the visual poets, with the former becoming acadominant (considered the leading kind of poetry at the most cosmopolitan universities and important enough to blast at the others) twenty or more years ago, then mainstream during this decade, and visual poetry still going nowhere in the academic esteem but now probably the leading form of otherstream poetry. --Bob From halvard Fri Apr 16 16:16:44 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri Apr 16 16:16:44 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Leaves of Glass? Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Waterproof books and notebooks, build boat of same, problem solved. > > At 11:29 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: > > http://www.lucishaw.com/ > blurbed by BH Fairchild > > and > John Leax > http://www.thehighcalling.org/Library/Browsing_Author.asp?AuthorID=69 > > http://campus.houghton.edu/orgs/english/Jack's_page.htm > > falling under "contemporary Christian poetry" > > although I wonder at the category, as so much American poetry is religious > -- and Christian -- in nature > > perhaps because this is free verse, not particularly mystical or based in > the Bible? > > right now, my five are King James Bible, Shakespeare, Chaucer, Boccacio and > Dante, but I wonder -- do I get five works of fiction and five reference > works as well? I mean, how am I going to get my OED out there, and can I > shift the Bible to non fiction or reference? Additionally, on a desert > island, assuming alone and with no hope of rescue and no radio like > Gilligan's Island had -- does one continue to write? probably, if there's > nothing else to do and only a few books to read; got to fill the time until > the coconut liquor distills, right? so I imagine some sort of -- paper? > pens? always a little more difficult in the tropics > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, David Graham wrote: > Two of these unknown to me: Luci Shaw, John Leax. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote: > > Personal five: > > * Luci Shaw > * Eliot > * Frost > * Collins > * John Leax > > Al Schirmacher > > > > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/1e86c718/attachment.html From junction Fri Apr 16 16:59:42 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Fri Apr 16 16:59:42 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: References: <01a301cadcab$ce464330$7e01a8c0@PASTORAL> <3F93A12C-EA41-42E5-8B53-C34585A350F5@ripon.edu> Message-ID: As the Jappanese say? Sorry, I couldn't resist. I know you're referring to Salinger. Speaking of which, books to send to an enemy on a desert island: Catcher in the Rye. At 06:12 PM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >Leaves of Glass? > >Hal > >Halvard Johnson >================ > >The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > >halvard at gmail.com >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Mark Weiss ><junction at earthlink.net> wrote: >Waterproof books and notebooks, build boat of same, problem solved. > >At 11:29 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >>http://www.lucishaw.com/ >>blurbed by BH Fairchild >> >>and >>John Leax >>http://www.thehighcalling.org/Library/Browsing_Author.asp?AuthorID=69 >> >> >>http://campus.houghton.edu/orgs/english/Jack's_page.htm >> >>falling under "contemporary Christian poetry" >> >>although I wonder at the category, as so much American poetry is >>religious -- and Christian -- in nature >> >>perhaps because this is free verse, not particularly mystical or >>based in the Bible? >> >>right now, my five are King James Bible, Shakespeare, Chaucer, >>Boccacio and Dante, but I wonder -- do I get five works of fiction >>and five reference works as well? I mean, how am I going to get my >>OED out there, and can I shift the Bible to non fiction or >>reference? Additionally, on a desert island, assuming alone and >>with no hope of rescue and no radio like Gilligan's Island had -- >>does one continue to write? probably, if there's nothing else to >>do and only a few books to read; got to fill the time until the >>coconut liquor distills, right? so I imagine some sort of -- >>paper? pens? always a little more difficult in the tropics >> >>On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, David Graham >><grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote: >>Two of these unknown to me: Luci Shaw, John Leax. >> >> >> >>======================================== >>David Graham >>grahamd at ripon.edu >>Home Page: >>http://web.me.com/drjazz >>Poetry Library: >>http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> >>========================================== >> >> >> >>On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote: >> >>>Personal five: >>> >>>* Luci Shaw >>>* Eliot >>>* Frost >>>* Collins >>>* John Leax >>> >>>Al Schirmacher >>> >> >>-- >>All best, >>Catherine Daly >>c.a.b.daly at gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University >of California Press). >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > >"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book >of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so >effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United >States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in >English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The >Nation > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/19d91a54/attachment.html From ccooley Fri Apr 16 20:05:10 2010 From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley) Date: Fri Apr 16 20:05:10 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books Message-ID: Our view of the present may be hopelessly myopic, but still I'm wondering if there might be some more sinister change in our culture-- infection by television, vertically integrated media monopolies, or the decline of empire-- causing an extended blight on great literary work. I was impressed in Ireland (well, Sligo at least) how much better educated and well read the common person is there. They have a television talk show star who is a Joyce scholar. Can't imagine the like in USA. >> ...there were at least five >> anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or >> Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best conventional >> anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob here -- Yeats, Hardy, Frost, Stevens, Eliot, > Pound ... [etc.] -- a hard act to follow. > >> Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets >> consider >> our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely >> unknown to our college English departments. > > Now here, I'm not so sure. ?If you look back across the period between 1350 > and 1900, virtually every poet who's remained of living interest (the two > exceptions are William Blake and Emily Dickinson) were recognised as > considerable in their own lifetimes. ?Really, there ain't that many major > mute (or unrecognised) Miltons. ?{Though the recognition was performed by an > informed reading public and not the English Departments, which didn't exist > then.} > From halvard Fri Apr 16 20:24:28 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri Apr 16 20:24:28 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Even Marilyn Monroe read Dostoevsky. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > Our view of the present may be hopelessly myopic, but still I'm > wondering if there might be some more sinister change in our culture-- > infection by television, vertically integrated media monopolies, or > the decline of empire-- causing an extended blight on great literary > work. > > I was impressed in Ireland (well, Sligo at least) how much better > educated and well read the common person is there. They have a > television talk show star who is a Joyce scholar. Can't imagine the > like in USA. > > > >> ...there were at least five > >> anglophonic poets important before 1950 that are better than Ashbery or > >> Wilbur or Larkin or Creeley or whoever you consider the best > conventional > >> anglophonic poet between 1950 and 2000. > > > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob here -- Yeats, Hardy, Frost, Stevens, > Eliot, > > Pound ... [etc.] -- a hard act to follow. > > > >> Last thought: That fifty years from now at least three of the poets > >> consider > >> our country's best during the twentieth century will be poets completely > >> unknown to our college English departments. > > > > Now here, I'm not so sure. If you look back across the period between > 1350 > > and 1900, virtually every poet who's remained of living interest (the two > > exceptions are William Blake and Emily Dickinson) were recognised as > > considerable in their own lifetimes. Really, there ain't that many major > > mute (or unrecognised) Miltons. {Though the recognition was performed by > an > > informed reading public and not the English Departments, which didn't > exist > > then.} > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100416/710e08fa/attachment.html From jforjames Sat Apr 17 10:19:10 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 17 10:19:10 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Armantrout and runners-up Message-ID: <8CCAC60311097EC-4CA8-A664@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> I was thinking today that though I knew that Rae Armantrout had won the Poetry Pulitzer, I didn't know who were the other finalists. Looks like there were only two Lucia Perillo and Angie Estes (see link). I know the former's work a little; I know nothing of the latter... http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2010-Poetry Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/ff4eff77/attachment.html From jforjames Sat Apr 17 10:45:58 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 17 10:45:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer in fiction, a book out of nowhere Message-ID: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one was more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/01b5a6b7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sat Apr 17 11:07:48 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat Apr 17 11:07:48 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer in fiction, a book out of nowhere In-Reply-To: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: the following is also very interesting: The Bellevue Literary Press was not exactly known as a powerhouse in the publishing world: The staff comprises editorial director Erika Goldman and an assistant. Their office is in a most unusual setting for a publishing company, "nestled," as Goldman puts it, "within the department of medicine at the New York University School of Medicine, which is at Bellevue Hospital." Bellevue is a major center for emergency services in New York City, but it is probably best known in the public imagination as a mental hospital. The hospital's literary press was established five years ago, mainly for the publication of high-end medical books. But Goldman, a veteran of the publishing business, is also committed to releasing works of fiction with a scientific or medical theme. A publishing colleague who had passed on * Tinkers* because it didn't seem right for his company thought it might work for Bellevue. Obododimma Oha had a great foresight when he suggested we should co-edit an Anthology on Health and Illness. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 > When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one was > more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was > released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to > its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has > won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/3ec80335/attachment.html From halvard Sat Apr 17 11:39:28 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat Apr 17 11:39:28 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer in fiction, a book out of nowhere In-Reply-To: References: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: They also publish the *Bellevue Literary Review*, which has published one of my sicko things. http://blr.med.nyu.edu/ Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > the following is also very interesting: > > The Bellevue Literary Press was not exactly known as a powerhouse in the > publishing world: The staff comprises editorial director Erika Goldman and > an assistant. Their office is in a most unusual setting for a publishing > company, "nestled," as Goldman puts it, "within the department of medicine > at the New York University School of Medicine, which is at Bellevue > Hospital." > > Bellevue is a major center for emergency services in New York City, but it > is probably best known in the public imagination as a mental hospital. The > hospital's literary press was established five years ago, mainly for the > publication of high-end medical books. But Goldman, a veteran of the > publishing business, is also committed to releasing works of fiction with a > scientific or medical theme. A publishing colleague who had passed on * > Tinkers* because it didn't seem right for his company thought it might > work for Bellevue. > Obododimma Oha had a great foresight when he suggested we should co-edit an > Anthology on Health and Illness. > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 >> When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one was >> more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was >> released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to >> its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has >> won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Their office is in a most unusual setting for a publishing >> company, "nestled," as Goldman puts it, "within the department of medicine >> at the New York University School of Medicine, which is at Bellevue >> Hospital." >> >> Bellevue is a major center for emergency services in New York City, but it >> is probably best known in the public imagination as a mental hospital. The >> hospital's literary press was established five years ago, mainly for the >> publication of high-end medical books. But Goldman, a veteran of the >> publishing business, is also committed to releasing works of fiction with a >> scientific or medical theme. A publishing colleague who had passed on * >> Tinkers* because it didn't seem right for his company thought it might >> work for Bellevue. >> Obododimma Oha had a great foresight when he suggested we should co-edit >> an Anthology on Health and Illness. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, wrote: >> >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 >>> When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one >>> was more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was >>> released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to >>> its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has >>> won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > here it is Hal, > http://blr.med.nyu.edu/content/archive/2004 > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> They also publish the *Bellevue Literary Review*, which has published one >> of my >> sicko things. >> >> http://blr.med.nyu.edu/ >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >> >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Anny Ballardini < >> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> the following is also very interesting: >>> >>> The Bellevue Literary Press was not exactly known as a powerhouse in the >>> publishing world: The staff comprises editorial director Erika Goldman and >>> an assistant. Their office is in a most unusual setting for a publishing >>> company, "nestled," as Goldman puts it, "within the department of medicine >>> at the New York University School of Medicine, which is at Bellevue >>> Hospital." >>> >>> Bellevue is a major center for emergency services in New York City, but >>> it is probably best known in the public imagination as a mental hospital. >>> The hospital's literary press was established five years ago, mainly for the >>> publication of high-end medical books. But Goldman, a veteran of the >>> publishing business, is also committed to releasing works of fiction with a >>> scientific or medical theme. A publishing colleague who had passed on * >>> Tinkers* because it didn't seem right for his company thought it might >>> work for Bellevue. >>> Obododimma Oha had a great foresight when he suggested we should co-edit >>> an Anthology on Health and Illness. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 >>>> When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one >>>> was more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was >>>> released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to >>>> its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has >>>> won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That brings back memories. > > Thanks, Anny. > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> here it is Hal, >> http://blr.med.nyu.edu/content/archive/2004 >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> They also publish the *Bellevue Literary Review*, which has published >>> one of my >>> sicko things. >>> >>> http://blr.med.nyu.edu/ >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> >>> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >>> >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >>> >>> halvard at gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Anny Ballardini < >>> anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> the following is also very interesting: >>>> >>>> The Bellevue Literary Press was not exactly known as a powerhouse in the >>>> publishing world: The staff comprises editorial director Erika Goldman and >>>> an assistant. Their office is in a most unusual setting for a publishing >>>> company, "nestled," as Goldman puts it, "within the department of medicine >>>> at the New York University School of Medicine, which is at Bellevue >>>> Hospital." >>>> >>>> Bellevue is a major center for emergency services in New York City, but >>>> it is probably best known in the public imagination as a mental hospital. >>>> The hospital's literary press was established five years ago, mainly for the >>>> publication of high-end medical books. But Goldman, a veteran of the >>>> publishing business, is also committed to releasing works of fiction with a >>>> scientific or medical theme. A publishing colleague who had passed on * >>>> Tinkers* because it didn't seem right for his company thought it might >>>> work for Bellevue. >>>> Obododimma Oha had a great foresight when he suggested we should co-edit >>>> an Anthology on Health and Illness. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 >>>>> When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one >>>>> was more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was >>>>> released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to >>>>> its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has >>>>> won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anny Ballardini >>>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>>> star! >>>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>>> >>>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>>> Giovenale >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/8e92aa7d/attachment.html From cervantes.james Sat Apr 17 13:12:39 2010 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Sat Apr 17 13:12:39 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer in fiction, a book out of nowhere In-Reply-To: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAC63EEE6926F-4CA8-AA26@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hope! On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:41 AM, wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126054322 > When the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this past week, perhaps no one was > more surprised than fiction winner Paul Harding. His novel, Tinkers, was > released by a little-known publishing company with few works of fiction to > its credit, the first time a book published by a small independent press has > won the Pulitzer for fiction since 1981's A Confederacy of Dunces. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Amy ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 4:02:46 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=126054322&m=126069553 The Surprising Strengths Of The Middle-Aged Brain with Barbara Strauch -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/8545ed42/attachment.html From bobgrumman Sat Apr 17 16:07:23 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat Apr 17 16:07:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: <354998.62851.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4BCA30F 1.80800@nut-n-but.net> <354998.62851.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BCA3EBF.2080908@nut-n-but.net> >The article about the brain Ooops, I was connecting it to the "encouraging" news that some book published by a small press won a Pulitzer, which I thought Anny said something about. Forgot this was also a neurophysiology discussion group . . . Never saw the brain article. --Bob From amyhappens Sat Apr 17 16:59:49 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Sat Apr 17 16:59:49 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: <4BCA3EBF.2080908@nut-n-but.net> References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4BCA30F 1.80800@nut-n-but.net> <354998.62851.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4BCA3EBF.2080908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <256799.53127.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Glad I could remind you! --Amy ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 7:05:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] our great Brains >The article about the brain Ooops, I was connecting it to the "encouraging" news that some book published by a small press won a Pulitzer, which I thought Anny said something about. Forgot this was also a neurophysiology discussion group . . . Never saw the brain article. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100417/4053f220/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 18 02:35:24 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 18 02:35:24 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Amy, I am sorry I messed it all up. The following is undoubtedly the right article. I have always been convinced that by getting older I would improve rather than shrink down to misery, as several older people wanted me to believe when I was younger. "Oh, you know, I am getting older..." was their usual excuse when they did not want to do something. Here's the scientific proof now, finally. Let's look forward, then! See you all when we are even older to discuss even more complicated topics. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, amy king wrote: > > > *Interesting article, Anny! And encouraging...* > * > * > *Here's the link - > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125902095&ps=cprs* > * > * > *The other is to a story about the Pulitzer winner for Fiction.* > * > * > *Best,* > * > * > *Amy* > * > * > * > * > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sat, April 17, 2010 4:02:46 PM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] our great Brains > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=126054322&m=126069553 > > The Surprising Strengths Of The Middle-Aged Brain > with Barbara Strauch > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/54745574/attachment.html From jbalizsprince Sun Apr 18 06:10:32 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Sun Apr 18 06:10:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anny and Amy, Re "getting older", despite conventional wisdom and studies that have us declining mentally as inexorably as the Republican party, I recall a wonderful article (but now cannot find it) probably in the NYT online several months ago. The article showcased an experiment with college students (the most guinea-pigged group in psycho-research land) and folk post-50. They were given texts and questions to answer essay'ly. The students were quicker to respond; the older folk answered more creatively (i.e., the researchers found that their answers correlated highly with factors comprising creativity). The reason given for the older folk taking longer to respond was that they had more experience and information to process. One of the article's experts described young folks' and older folks' responses as the difference between intelligence and wisdom.. The article further pointed out that 96% of older Americans do NOT have Alzheimer's disease. Best, Judy On 18 April 2010 04:31, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thank you Amy, I am sorry I messed it all up. The following is undoubtedly > the right article. I have always been convinced that by getting older I > would improve rather than shrink down to misery, as several older people > wanted me to believe when I was younger. "Oh, you know, I am getting > older..." was their usual excuse when they did not want to do something. > Here's the scientific proof now, finally. Let's look forward, then! See you > all when we are even older to discuss even more complicated topics. > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, amy king wrote: > >> >> >> *Interesting article, Anny! And encouraging...* >> * >> * >> *Here's the link - >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125902095&ps=cprs* >> * >> * >> *The other is to a story about the Pulitzer winner for Fiction.* >> * >> * >> *Best,* >> * >> * >> *Amy* >> * >> * >> * >> * >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Sat, April 17, 2010 4:02:46 PM >> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] our great Brains >> >> >> http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=126054322&m=126069553 >> >> The Surprising Strengths Of The Middle-Aged Brain >> with Barbara Strauch >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/2091a9dc/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Sun Apr 18 06:20:12 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun Apr 18 06:20:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Exactly, Judy. Although I cannot see the relationship between intelligence and wisdom, unless you consider wisdom as being a step beyond intelligence, i.e. that includes and goes beyond intelligence. If this is right, then I am with the author of the article. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > Anny and Amy, > > Re "getting older", despite conventional wisdom and studies that have us > declining mentally as inexorably as the Republican party, I recall a > wonderful article (but now cannot find it) probably in the NYT online > several months ago. > > The article showcased an experiment with college students (the most > guinea-pigged group in psycho-research land) and folk post-50. They were > given texts and questions to answer essay'ly. The students were quicker to > respond; the older folk answered more creatively (i.e., the researchers > found that their answers correlated highly with factors comprising > creativity). > > The reason given for the older folk taking longer to respond was that they > had more experience and information to process. > > One of the article's experts described young folks' and older folks' > responses as the difference between intelligence and wisdom.. > > The article further pointed out that 96% of older Americans do NOT have > Alzheimer's disease. > > Best, > > Judy > > > On 18 April 2010 04:31, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> Thank you Amy, I am sorry I messed it all up. The following is undoubtedly >> the right article. I have always been convinced that by getting older I >> would improve rather than shrink down to misery, as several older people >> wanted me to believe when I was younger. "Oh, you know, I am getting >> older..." was their usual excuse when they did not want to do something. >> Here's the scientific proof now, finally. Let's look forward, then! See >> you all when we are even older to discuss even more complicated topics. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, amy king wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> *Interesting article, Anny! And encouraging...* >>> * >>> * >>> *Here's the link - >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125902095&ps=cprs* >>> * >>> * >>> *The other is to a story about the Pulitzer winner for Fiction.* >>> * >>> * >>> *Best,* >>> * >>> * >>> *Amy* >>> * >>> * >>> * >>> * >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Anny Ballardini >>> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < >>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>> *Sent:* Sat, April 17, 2010 4:02:46 PM >>> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] our great Brains >>> >>> >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=126054322&m=126069553 >>> >>> The Surprising Strengths Of The Middle-Aged Brain >>> with Barbara Strauch >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> >>> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >>> Giovenale >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? >> Giovenale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/27f3d95c/attachment-0001.html From jforjames Sun Apr 18 09:47:31 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 18 09:47:31 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCAD24F338971B-A20-B960@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> We may have nothing to blame but ourselves as practioners of writing, if Socrates (via Plato) was right: ?[Writing] will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own. You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being properly taught, and they will imagine that they have came to know much while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of really being so. ?Socrates,(in Plato's Phaedrus, 275a-b) -----Original Message----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] our great Brains Anny and Amy, Re "getting older", despite conventional wisdom and studies that have us declining mentally as inexorably as the Republican party, I recall a wonderful article (but now cannot find it) probably in the NYT online several months ago. The article showcased an experiment with college students (the most guinea-pigged group in psycho-research land) and folk post-50. They were given texts and questions to answer essay'ly. The students were quicker to respond; the older folk answered more creatively (i.e., the researchers found that their answers correlated highly with factors comprising creativity). The reason given for the older folk taking longer to respond was that they had more experience and information to process. One of the article's experts described young folks' and older folks' responses as the difference between intelligence and wisdom.. The article further pointed out that 96% of older Americans do NOT have Alzheimer's disease. Best, Judy On 18 April 2010 04:31, Anny Ballardini wrote: Thank you Amy, I am sorry I messed it all up. The following is undoubtedly the right article. I have always been convinced that by getting older I would improve rather than shrink down to misery, as several older people wanted me to believe when I was younger. "Oh, you know, I am getting older..." was their usual excuse when they did not want to do something. Here's the scientific proof now, finally. Let's look forward, then! See you all when we are even older to discuss even more complicated topics. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, amy king wrote: Interesting article, Anny! And encouraging... Here's the link - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125902095&ps=cprs The other is to a story about the Pulitzer winner for Fiction. Best, Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/ba159ed8/attachment.html From jforjames Sun Apr 18 10:21:58 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 18 10:21:58 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] new Wakoski Message-ID: <8CCAD29C2006E08-A20-BD4C@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2010/0417/The-Diamond-Dog Poetry is the most compressed of the arts, so what Frost was saying is that it?s just plain good manners to set the poem up, especially if you want the audience to get anything from it. If that?s good advice regarding individual poems, it?s equally good for entire collections, though few poets introducing their work are likely to go as far as Diane Wakoski does in the essay that begins her latest book, The Diamond Dog. Wakoski has been writing poems for about 50 years; her first collection, ?Coins & Coffins,? appeared in 1962. Her work is often associated with the Deep Image school, with its allegiance to the Jungian imagery... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/147f0c71/attachment.html From jbalizsprince Sun Apr 18 10:55:18 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Sun Apr 18 10:55:18 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: <8CCAD24F338971B-A20-B960@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CCAD24F338971B-A20-B960@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Socrates (via Prince): "The internet will introduce atrophy into the bodies and minds of those who use it; they will not practice walking to the library, the theatre, the pub or restaurants because they will put their trust in a few Googling fingers, which is external and depends upon Wiki that belongs to others, instead of trying to remember from inside books, magazines, newspapers, films, and television advertising---ideas based completely on others' opinions and facts. You have not discovered an elixir for broad-based facts and understandings, but for broad-based bums and bleary eyes; you provide your students with the bespectacled appearance of having jogged through books, but you use a golf cart and electric toothbrush. Your students, therefore, will also appear to be well read, but at least they will be adept at computer games, thus snaring excellent careers in IT." (Socrates (in Judy Prince's *AetherDespair*, 111a-b) On 18 April 2010 11:42, wrote: > We may have nothing to blame but ourselves as practioners of writing, if > Socrates (via Plato) was right: > > ?[Writing] will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn > it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their > trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to > others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their > own. You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; > you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its > reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being > properly taught, and they will imagine that they have came to know much > while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult > to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of > really being so. > ?Socrates,(in Plato's Phaedrus, 275a-b) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Prince > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] our great Brains > > Anny and Amy, > > Re "getting older", despite conventional wisdom and studies that have us > declining mentally as inexorably as the Republican party, I recall a > wonderful article (but now cannot find it) probably in the NYT online > several months ago. > > The article showcased an experiment with college students (the most > guinea-pigged group in psycho-research land) and folk post-50. They were > given texts and questions to answer essay'ly. The students were quicker to > respond; the older folk answered more creatively (i.e., the researchers > found that their answers correlated highly with factors comprising > creativity). > > The reason given for the older folk taking longer to respond was that > they had more experience and information to process. > > One of the article's experts described young folks' and older folks' > responses as the difference between intelligence and wisdom.. > > The article further pointed out that 96% of older Americans do NOT have > Alzheimer's disease. > > Best, > > Judy > > On 18 April 2010 04:31, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> Thank you Amy, I am sorry I messed it all up. The following is undoubtedly >> the right article. I have always been convinced that by getting older I >> would improve rather than shrink down to misery, as several older people >> wanted me to believe when I was younger. "Oh, you know, I am getting >> older..." was their usual excuse when they did not want to do something. >> Here's the scientific proof now, finally. Let's look forward, then! See >> you all when we are even older to discuss even more complicated topics. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, amy king wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> *Interesting article, Anny! And encouraging...* >>> * >>> * >>> *Here's the link - >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125902095&ps=cprs* >>> * >>> * >>> *The other is to a story about the Pulitzer winner for Fiction.* >>> * >>> * >>> *Best,* >>> * >>> * >>> *Amy* >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; > you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its > reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being > properly taught, and they will imagine that they have came to know much > while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult > to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of > really being so. > ?Socrates,(in Plato's Phaedrus, 275a-b) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No surpise. --Bob From bobgrumman Sun Apr 18 12:13:24 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 18 12:13:24 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CCAD24 F338971B-A20-B960@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BCB5941.6000005@nut-n-but.net> Anny Ballardini wrote: > As usual, Socrates was right. > Strange, Anny, I wasn't aware that he was ever right. --Bob From bobgrumman Sun Apr 18 12:15:54 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun Apr 18 12:15:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CCAD24 F338971B-A20-B960@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BCB59D5.70400@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Socrates (via Prince): > > "The internet will introduce atrophy into the bodies and minds of > those who use it; they will not practice walking to the library, Didn't you know that since the invention of the automobile, no one is able any longer to walk /anywhere/, Judy? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(The album title is also from a Mother Goose rhyme.) > She's scheduled to appear at the West Chester Poetry Conference in June. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/95cced5e/attachment.html From jbalizsprince Sun Apr 18 17:03:31 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Sun Apr 18 17:03:31 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] our great Brains In-Reply-To: <153472.43642.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <543548.80611.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <153472.43642.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Quite right, Amy! That article was a turning point for me. It felt as if I were back in Taiwan being appreciated and respected *because* of my age, rather than sidelined for it. So many folk think that "forgetfulness" is inevitable. Every time they forget where they put their keys or try to recall a particular word, they think it's the start of a steep decline. In fact, they hobble themselves with fear, exacerbating their "forgetfulness". Most often their innocent forgetting is because they're busy and multitasking. I no longer joke about or use the term "senior moment". Why fuel a debilitating misperception? Best, Judy On 18 April 2010 17:01, amy king wrote: > > *I like this spin on it, Judy!* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Judy Prince > > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sun, April 18, 2010 8:06:04 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] our great Brains > > > The reason given for the older folk taking longer to respond was that they > had more experience and information to process. > > One of the article's experts described young folks' and older folks' > responses as the difference between intelligence and wisdom.. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100418/fb5f6d79/attachment.html From mandolin Sun Apr 18 19:18:22 2010 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Sun Apr 18 19:18:22 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Natalie Merchant's poetry album In-Reply-To: <46f9a.74528a59.38fcd45d@cs.com> References: <46f9a.74528a59.38fcd45d@cs.com> Message-ID: I like the album quite a bit - she set one of my favorite Robert Graves lyrics, "Vain and Careless," and changed the line order so the stanzas rhyme aabb rather than abab, and treats other things with similar freedom, and it bothers me not a bit. That surprises me. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/18/2010 3:09:20 PM Central Daylight Time, > grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/arts/music/18merchant.html > > In the 1980s and ?90s, when she was the lead singer for 10,000 Maniacs and > released solo albums, Ms. Merchant wrote her own lyrics ? about topics like > utopian communes, faith healing and the daze of materialism ? on albums of > thoughtful yet somehow million-selling folk-pop. But for ?Leave Your Sleep,? > Ms. Merchant decided to set other people?s poetry to music: poems from > Victorian England and Jazz Age America, from E. E. Cummings and Mother > Goose. (The album title is also from a Mother Goose rhyme.) > > She's scheduled to appear at the West Chester Poetry Conference in June. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From grahamd Sun Apr 18 20:33:32 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sun Apr 18 20:33:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Natalie Merchant's poetry album In-Reply-To: References: <46f9a.74528a59.38fcd45d@cs.com> Message-ID: I've now listened to the record twice, and I too like it a lot. Merchant has done a lot of research, and produced a huge booklet filled with information and photos of the poets she covers. She herself calls the poems she covers odd & obscure--many 19th Century pieces, nursery rhymes, etc. And the music is all over the map, from jazz to folk to reggae to classical. A wonderfully strange grab bag. A similar project from a few years back is Kris Delmhorst's "Strange Conversation," on which she sets to music a number of somewhat better known poems. I really like her version of Masefield's "Sea Fever" in particular; and she turns Cummings's "Anyone Lived In a Pretty How Town" into a country song, which no doubt has EEC's ghost rolling over in the grave. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > I like the album quite a bit - she set one of my favorite Robert > Graves lyrics, "Vain and Careless," and changed the line order so > the stanzas rhyme aabb rather than abab, and treats other things with > similar freedom, and it bothers me not a bit. That surprises me. > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM, wrote: >> In a message dated 4/18/2010 3:09:20 PM Central Daylight Time, >> grahamd at ripon.edu writes: >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/arts/music/18merchant.html >> >> In the 1980s and ?90s, when she was the lead singer for 10,000 Maniacs and >> released solo albums, Ms. Merchant wrote her own lyrics ? about topics like >> utopian communes, faith healing and the daze of materialism ? on albums of >> thoughtful yet somehow million-selling folk-pop. But for ?Leave Your Sleep,? >> Ms. Merchant decided to set other people?s poetry to music: poems from >> Victorian England and Jazz Age America, from E. E. Cummings and Mother >> Goose. (The album title is also from a Mother Goose rhyme.) >> >> She's scheduled to appear at the West Chester Poetry Conference in June. >> _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Berkeley, where he majored in history and philosophy of science. After a decade and a half spent writing science-fiction poetry, culminating in his volume Science Fiction (Pantograph Press, 1992), he turned to a more philosophical mode of speculative lyric. This work has been collected in The Removes (Hard Press, 1999), Fathom (Black Square Editions, 2003) and The Sound Mirror (Flood Editions, 2008). He is also the translator, from the German, of the Marxist-Utopian philosopher Ernst Bloch's Literary Essays (Stanford University Press, 1998), and of the surrealist Richard Anders's aphorisms and prose poems. His literary essays have been collected in The Cry at Zero (Counterpath Press, 2008). City Lights will publish his Trance Archive: New and Selected Poems in the spring of 2010. Joron lives in Berkeley, where he works as a freelance bibliographer and indexer. Rachel Loden is the author of Dick of the Dead, currently one of five finalists for the California Book Award. The Washington Post's "Poet's Choice" column featured a poem from the book, and it has been called "oddly sublime" and "intoxicating" by the Poetry Project Newsletter and "expansive and whimsical" by the Brooklyn Rail. Loden's first book, Hotel Imperium, won the Contemporary Poetry Series competition and was selected as one of the ten best poetry books of the year by the San Francisco Chronicle, which called it "quirky and beguiling." It was also shortlisted for the Bay Area Book Reviewers Award. Her work has appeared in New American Writing, the Paris Review, Jacket, two editions of the Best American Poetry series, and many other magazines and anthologies. She is the recipient of a Pushcart Prize, a Fellowship in Poetry from the California Arts Council, an &NOW Award, and a grant from the Fund for Poetry. C. S. Giscombe has authored books of poetry Prairie Style, Giscombe Road, and Here, and the nonfiction book Into and Out of Dislocation. His poetry has been published in several anthologies, including Best American Poetry, Oxford Anthology of African American Poetry, Lyric Postmoderns, and elsewhere. Giscombe was recently awarded the American Book Award for 2008 for Prairie Style. He currently is a Professor of Poetry at U.C. Berkeley. The de Young Poetry Series is curated by Paul Hoover, a poet, editor, and professor of creative writing at San Francisco State University. Advance tickets: https://tickets.famsf.org/public/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100419/8b2f1285/attachment.html From cheekc Mon Apr 19 05:31:55 2010 From: cheekc (cris cheek) Date: Mon Apr 19 05:31:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] post_moot. THIS WEEK at Miami of Ohio. Message-ID: Dear Friends, post_moot 2010 is upon us this week. Events begin on Thursday afternoon and stretch through until Sunday Evening. Many of the presenters are directors of programs and or leaders in their fields of Cultural Studies, Modernism, Poetics, African-American Poetry, Literature, Electronic Literature, Archive Directorship, Book Art and Small Press Distribution. Many are important translators, some are involved in polylingual writing, some are LGBT activists. Primarily they are here at Miami for an intensive gathering of poets and critics. But their passions will be present. I attach the full conference booklet, which includes biographies of presenters that might help you to make your own choice picks. 1. IF you are interested in the huge amount of contemporary poetry being produced from varying conceptual strategies with search engines (the key term in popular usage is Flarf, but there are many pretenders to this hot topic crown) then come on Thursday Evening at 8.30pm in the Leonard Theater and linger for late night readings at the Miami Inn (until 2am). 2. IF you are interested in new approaches to Ethnography, Autobiography and mixed-media live performance then come to Leonard Theater between 2.30-4.00 on Friday afternoon. 3. IF you have an interest in ideas of Place and Eco-Poetics and Collaboration stay for the 5.00-6.30 session also in the Leonard Theater on Friday afternoon. 4. IF you are interested in the politics of Language in the Classroom and impish proposals about the need to transgress formal conventions come to the MIami Art Museum between 9.30-1.00am on Saturday Morning. 5. Two sessions in Alumni 1 on Saturday afternoon (5.00-6.30pm) and evening (8.30-10pm) bring together physical theater with Electronic Literature, live writing, Latina/o Poets Theater, queer theory, Multi- voice Poetry, aesthetics of sampling and appropriation, and highly contemporary explorations of African-American histories of identity. ? the post _ moot collective (Maria Auxiliadora Alvarez, Tammy Brown, cris cheek, William R. 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But their passions will be present. I attach the full > conference booklet, which includes biographies of presenters that might help > you to make your own choice picks. > > > 1. IF you are interested in the huge amount of contemporary poetry being > produced from varying conceptual strategies with search engines (the key > term in popular usage is Flarf, but there are many pretenders to this hot > topic crown) then come on Thursday Evening at 8.30pm in the Leonard Theater > and linger for late night readings at the Miami Inn (until 2am). > > > 2. IF you are interested in new approaches to Ethnography, Autobiography > and mixed-media live performance then come to Leonard Theater between > 2.30-4.00 on Friday afternoon. > > > 3. IF you have an interest in ideas of Place and Eco-Poetics and > Collaboration stay for the 5.00-6.30 session also in the Leonard Theater on > Friday afternoon. > > > 4. IF you are interested in the politics of Language in the Classroom and > impish proposals about the need to transgress formal conventions come to the > MIami Art Museum between 9.30-1.00am on Saturday Morning. > > > 5. Two sessions in Alumni 1 on Saturday afternoon (5.00-6.30pm) and evening > (8.30-10pm) bring together physical theater with Electronic Literature, live > writing, Latina/o Poets Theater, queer theory, Multi-voice Poetry, > aesthetics of sampling and appropriation, and highly contemporary > explorations of African-American histories of identity. > > > > > > > the post _ moot collective (Maria Auxiliadora Alvarez, Tammy Brown, cris > cheek, William R. Howe, Cathy Wagner) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100419/d890d044/attachment.html From cheekc Mon Apr 19 05:57:23 2010 From: cheekc (cris cheek) Date: Mon Apr 19 05:57:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] post_moot. THIS WEEK at Miami of Ohio. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F68E0C2-4559-426F-8370-1D4D2B2AC7BF@muohio.edu> thanks Annie, the town is going to swarming with poets. . yippee;=) If anybody wants more info the website is: http://www.units.muohio.edu/creativewriting/postmoot/ and we will be running a live blog throughout: http://postmoot.com/10/ xx cris On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:46 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > CONGRATULATIONS, it seems spectacular to me. > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, cris cheek wrote: > Dear Friends, > > post_moot 2010 is upon us this week. Events begin on Thursday > afternoon and stretch through until Sunday Evening. Many of the > presenters are directors of programs and or leaders in their fields > of Cultural Studies, Modernism, Poetics, African-American Poetry, > Literature, Electronic Literature, Archive Directorship, Book Art > and Small Press Distribution. Many are important translators, some > are involved in polylingual writing, some are LGBT activists. > Primarily they are here at Miami for an intensive gathering of > poets and critics. But their passions will be present. I attach the > full conference booklet, which includes biographies of presenters > that might help you to make your own choice picks. > > > 1. IF you are interested in the huge amount of contemporary > poetry being produced from varying conceptual strategies with > search engines (the key term in popular usage is Flarf, but there > are many pretenders to this hot topic crown) then come on Thursday > Evening at 8.30pm in the Leonard Theater and linger for late night > readings at the Miami Inn (until 2am). > > > 2. IF you are interested in new approaches to Ethnography, > Autobiography and mixed-media live performance then come to Leonard > Theater between 2.30-4.00 on Friday afternoon. > > > 3. IF you have an interest in ideas of Place and Eco-Poetics and > Collaboration stay for the 5.00-6.30 session also in the Leonard > Theater on Friday afternoon. > > > 4. IF you are interested in the politics of Language in the > Classroom and impish proposals about the need to transgress formal > conventions come to the MIami Art Museum between 9.30-1.00am on > Saturday Morning. > > > 5. Two sessions in Alumni 1 on Saturday afternoon (5.00-6.30pm) and > evening (8.30-10pm) bring together physical theater with Electronic > Literature, live writing, Latina/o Poets Theater, queer theory, > Multi-voice Poetry, aesthetics of sampling and appropriation, and > highly contemporary explorations of African-American histories of > identity. > > > > > > > the post _ moot collective (Maria Auxiliadora Alvarez, Tammy Brown, > cris cheek, William R. Howe, Cathy Wagner) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The faces of those in line to check out are drawn. - Jim On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Rachel Loden wrote: > A very good blow-by-blow, from Joshua Corey: > > > > http://joshcorey.blogspot.com/2010/04/from-denver.html > > > > Hope to write up my own musings at some point but Joshua?s captures the > exhaustion. . . . > > > ------------------------------ > > Missed it again...but lots of blogging about 2010 AWP conference... > > > > http://www.calebjross.com/awpblog/ > > > > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/awp-some-thoughts-1/#more-10520 > > > > http://blog.32poems.com/1490/awp-2010-recap-thursday > > > > > http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/thoughts_on_the_2010_awp_conference_in_denver_part_2/C39/L39/ > > > > And a fashion correspondent.. > > > http://blog.modcloth.com/2010-04-12-tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The faces of those in line to check out are drawn. - Jim On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Rachel Loden wrote: A very good blow-by-blow, from Joshua Corey: http://joshcorey.blogspot.com/2010/04/from-denver.html Hope to write up my own musings at some point but Joshua's captures the exhaustion. . . . _____ Missed it again...but lots of blogging about 2010 AWP conference... http://www.calebjross.com/awpblog/ http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2010/04/awp-some-thoughts-1/#more-10 520 http://blog.32poems.com/1490/awp-2010-recap-thursday http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/thoughts_on_the_2010_awp_conference_in_ denver_part_2/C39/L39/ And a fashion correspondent.. http://blog.modcloth.com/2010-04-12-tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-de nver?utm_source=rss &utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tales-from-the-road-awp-conference-in-denver _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100419/7d3d27c1/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 Mon Apr 19 07:39:15 2010 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Apr 19 07:39:15 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Natalie Merchant's poetry album Message-ID: <69f35.26a4a156.38fdb5f9@cs.com> In a message dated 4/18/2010 9:29:32 PM Central Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > > A similar project from a few years back is Kris Delmhorst's "Strange > Conversation," on which she sets to music a number of somewhat better known > poems. I really like her version of Masefield's "Sea Fever" in particular; and > she turns Cummings's "Anyone Lived In a Pretty How Town" into a country > song, which no doubt has EEC's ghost rolling over in the grave. > > I don't know. I always thought George Jones's "He Stopped Loving Her > Today" and, earlier, Jim Ed Brown's "Three Bells" > (http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/brown-jim-ed/three-bells-les-trois-cloches-11420.html) were close in > spirit to both E. A. Robinson and "Anyone Lived in a Pretty How Town." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100419/1fd30402/attachment.html From obodooha Mon Apr 19 09:55:04 2010 From: obodooha (Obododimma Oha) Date: Mon Apr 19 09:55:04 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: New Zealand Electronic Poetry Centre In-Reply-To: <8CCAB8EF3EEB32A-21DC-AAC4@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCAB8EF3EEB32A-21DC-AAC4@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thank you for providing this link. It provides me with the much-needed education on what is happening to poetry from that part of the world. Regards, Obododimma. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:16 AM, wrote: > http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/index.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100419/2ebef418/attachment.html From jforjames Mon Apr 19 11:19:52 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 19 11:19:52 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Conference goings on In-Reply-To: References: <8CCABAE9F446079-6CC-83E4@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCADFB074904D9-10A8-210@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Nice report. I'm exhausted from just reading it. One gets the impression that 100 poets could go to conference and have 100 entirely different experiences, with only very few intersetions or path-crossings. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Loden To: 'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views' Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 7:01 am Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] AWP Conference goings on A very good blow-by-blow, from Joshua Corey: http://joshcorey.blogspot.com/2010/04/from-denver.html Hope to write up my own musings at some point but Joshua?s captures the exhaustion. . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spring 2010 In-Reply-To: <285190CC-10B8-42AE-B221-1F4FFE2EF77D@muohio.edu> References: <6430937482784578.WA.argotistfsmail.net@jiscmail.ac.uk>, , <548020.69987.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <7AF013F1-B3A2-41C8-A31B-425C23ACECF9@aol.com>, , <371E9E41-DED4-4A33-9662-2B263D5B953F@aol.com>, , <285190CC-10B8-42AE-B221-1F4FFE2EF77D@muohio.edu> Message-ID: An index of everything since the last update:http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot.com/2010/04/spring-2010.html "This savage anomaly" ESSAYS Alex Latter, "Scheming for the possible world": J.H. Prynne's The White Stones and The English Intelligencer Peter Larkin, Scarcely on the Way: The Starkness of Things in Sacral Space Robin Purves, To ?Iceland?: On Improvisation During The Fall Peter Larkin, Being Seen for Seeing: a tribute to R F Langley's Journals Abena Sutherland, On John Ashbery's 'Definition of Blue' Michael Peverett, Athwart Ralph Hawkins, Frank O?Hara?s 'Naphtha' Ralph Hawkins, Underwhelmed. Ted Berrigan via John Wilkinson. INTERVIEWS The desire to testify: Interview with Chris Goode by Lawrence Upton Less than, more at: an interview with Peter Larkin POETRY Olwen Hughes, "I was an Aries once": 3 Poems Jonty Tiplady, Happiness 4 Harry Godwin, Experiments in Deconstruction : Flushing Sean Bonney, The Commons set 3 // 31 ? 33, 27 ? 28, Two poems (after Rimbaud) Carrie Etter, Divining for Starters (65) Nathan Hamilton, Sunbathe Johan de Wit, from annulus Ralph Hawkins and Alan Halsey, From 'The Incomplete Pseudo-Necronomicon' Tina Bass, 2 Poems Peter Larkin, Lean Earth Off Trees Unaslant, IV Steve Parker, 3 Poems Anna Ticehurst, 3 Poems Tom White, from 'Old Sense' Jeff Hilson, In the Assarts 31 - 36 William King, How To Eat Federico Garc?a Lorca, traduced by Michael Peverett, Nueva York, again Jenny Allan, Adapted from Intermittent Voices Josh Stanley, 3 Poems Timothy Thornton, A Poem John Welch, Fresco John Lowther, from Correspondences Matina Stamatakis, Behind Eyes Hannah Silva, A Poem Jennifer Cooke, A Poem REVIEWS Stuart Calton reviews Ryan Dobran's Your Guilt Is A Miracle 'Variable Magnitudes: The Wrack of Watts' by Edmund Hardy Catherine Daly's Vauxhall reviewed by Michael Peverett The Eye on James Wilkes' Weather A System Ralph Hawkins: Poly-Parrot(s). Allen Fisher's Birds Tony Lopez, Darwin, reviewed by Michael Peverett Alistair Noon on Ralph Hawkins: No Artificial Additives or Colourings Edmund Hardy: Modifiers & Indistinctions - Jonty Tiplady's 'Zam Bonk Dip' Xtin on Poetical Histories No. 3, D. S. Marriott's Mortgages Nathan Hamilton: Babylon?s Flowcharts - Kumin, Hoch, Fried Peter Jaeger in and of the world - Melissa Flores-B?rquez and Edmund Hardy review 'Rapid Eye Movement' Michael Peverett on Leevi Lehto's Lake Onega and Other Poems Michael Peverett on Anne Campbell's No Memory of a Move Wendy Mulford & the Escape - Melissa Flores-B?rquez and Edmund Hardy Simon Pettet?s HEARTH reviewed by Ralph Hawkins Abena Sutherland - "a brackish ring / for you": Stuart Calton's The Corn Mother Lisa Samuels' The Invention of Culture reviewed by Michael Peverett Peter Hughes on Ian Seed's Anonymous Intruder Peverett on Reality Street's 'Five from Finland' Peter Hughes on John Welch's Collected Poems Peter Larkin on GLOGY by Josh Stanley Pentti Saarikoski, The Edge of Europe, by Michael Peverett Walking the Streets of Eighteenth-Century London: John Gay's Trivia (Edited by Clare Brant and Susan E. Whyman) reviewed by Melissa Flores-B?rquez Melissa Flores-B?rquez on Ben Borek Michael Peverett reviews Gunnar Bj?rling, You go the words Peter Hughes on Anselm Hollo, Guests of Space Laura Steele on Stephen Brockwell Edmund Hardy: Rage & Suspense - R. F. Langley, Journals Colin Falck's Post-Modern Love reviewed by Michael Peverett Elizabeth Willis' The Great Egg of Night reviewed by Michael Peverett rob mclennan's aubade reviewed by Michael Peverett Peter Hughes on Andrew Duncan Philippe Viellard: Like a Book out of Hell - Boccaccio's Life of Dante Michael Peverett: Catherine Daly, That Locket Sound Laura Steele: Allen Fisher's Place Michael Peverett: Donald Ward - Lark Over Stone Walls INVESTIGATIONS Real time diagrammatic reviews of readings at Xing the Line in 2009 Michael Peverett - Robert Browning's Strafford Melissa Flores-B?rquez investigates Gilberto Freyre, and John Gay's Tyburn Tree Abena Sutherland: Bouncing Over Death - Gay & Ariosto Michael Peverett investigates Samples from The Many Press; The Best of William Canton; Some Denise Riley poems; Charles Dickens, The Old Curiosity Shop; John Gay's The Birth of the Squire; the end of Richard Makin's St Leonards; and surveys Euripides. 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But Armantrout has a point about Pound, no doubt. Of course it's hard to poke any male poet from prior eras & not find attitudes that make us uncomfortable today. Even in my grad school days, when I read through the criticism about Marianne Moore, for instance, I was struck by how patronizing the attitudes and language were, even among her staunch admirers. On 4/20/10 10:16 AM, "amy king" wrote: > > In response to Pound ... > > ...and on an anarchic cooperation, here -- > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/with-no-slither/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100420/d3f72876/attachment.html From halvard Tue Apr 20 10:57:26 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue Apr 20 10:57:26 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: An Armantrout Admission ... In-Reply-To: References: <332611.62660.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Makes one wonder what attitudes of ours will make readers a couple centuries in the future "uncomfortable." Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Graham wrote: > There was plenty of male "slither" in the Victorian & Edwardian eras too, > of course. Modernism was all about replacing Swinburne & Tennyson, at one > level. But Armantrout has a point about Pound, no doubt. Of course it's > hard to poke any male poet from prior eras & not find attitudes that make us > uncomfortable today. > > Even in my grad school days, when I read through the criticism about > Marianne Moore, for instance, I was struck by how patronizing the attitudes > and language were, even among her staunch admirers. > > > On 4/20/10 10:16 AM, "amy king" wrote: > > * > *In response to Pound ... > > ...and on an anarchic cooperation, here -- > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/with-no-slither/ > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy On 20 April 2010 12:53, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Makes one wonder what attitudes of ours will make readers a couple > centuries > in the future "uncomfortable." > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > > The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets > > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Graham wrote: > >> There was plenty of male "slither" in the Victorian & Edwardian eras >> too, of course. Modernism was all about replacing Swinburne & Tennyson, at >> one level. But Armantrout has a point about Pound, no doubt. Of course >> it's hard to poke any male poet from prior eras & not find attitudes that >> make us uncomfortable today. >> >> Even in my grad school days, when I read through the criticism about >> Marianne Moore, for instance, I was struck by how patronizing the attitudes >> and language were, even among her staunch admirers. >> >> >> On 4/20/10 10:16 AM, "amy king" wrote: >> >> * >> *In response to Pound ... >> >> ...and on an anarchic cooperation, here -- >> http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/with-no-slither/ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100420/b2c9aa35/attachment.html From skip Tue Apr 20 11:32:20 2010 From: skip (Skip Fox) Date: Tue Apr 20 11:32:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: An Armantrout Admission ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F94836A93424BC495C4D5A94610F5D8@win.louisiana.edu> Interestingly Gerald Burns wrote a brilliant essay titled "Intellectual Slither in the Cantos." (It's in A Thing About Langauge.) -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:58 AM To: NewPoetry Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: An Armantrout Admission ... There was plenty of male "slither" in the Victorian & Edwardian eras too, of course. Modernism was all about replacing Swinburne & Tennyson, at one level. But Armantrout has a point about Pound, no doubt. Of course it's hard to poke any male poet from prior eras & not find attitudes that make us uncomfortable today. Even in my grad school days, when I read through the criticism about Marianne Moore, for instance, I was struck by how patronizing the attitudes and language were, even among her staunch admirers. On 4/20/10 10:16 AM, "amy king" wrote: In response to Pound ... ...and on an anarchic cooperation, here -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/with-no-slither/ _____ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > I'm uncomfortable with your comment, Hal. > > Judy > > > On 20 April 2010 12:53, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Makes one wonder what attitudes of ours will make readers a couple >> centuries >> in the future "uncomfortable." >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> >> The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ >> >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets >> >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >>> There was plenty of male "slither" in the Victorian & Edwardian eras >>> too, of course. Modernism was all about replacing Swinburne & Tennyson, at >>> one level. But Armantrout has a point about Pound, no doubt. Of course >>> it's hard to poke any male poet from prior eras & not find attitudes that >>> make us uncomfortable today. >>> >>> Even in my grad school days, when I read through the criticism about >>> Marianne Moore, for instance, I was struck by how patronizing the attitudes >>> and language were, even among her staunch admirers. >>> >>> >>> On 4/20/10 10:16 AM, "amy king" wrote: >>> >>> * >>> *In response to Pound ... >>> >>> ...and on an anarchic cooperation, here -- >>> http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/with-no-slither/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ==================================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/ >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ==================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Al Schirmacher ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books Two of these unknown to me: Luci Shaw, John Leax. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pastor Al Schirmacher wrote: Personal five: * Luci Shaw * Eliot * Frost * Collins * John Leax Al Schirmacher ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hass's Desert Island Books If I had to choose just 5 desert island books of poetry, and if I were allowed to count Shakespeare's collected works as one, my list would be fairly easy. All would be collected editions. 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New Stevens recordings will be added to this page in the coming months: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Stevens-Wallace.html We especially wish to thank Christina Davis, Peter Hanchak, and John Serio. - Al Filreis & Charles Bernstein Co-Directors, PennSound --------------------------------- ou are currently subscribed to wallace_stevens as: JforJames at aol.com o unsubscribe send a blank email to: leave-837470-757762.e82aa81223029f7553ac31c5fad8896b at lyris.wesleyan.edu ist archive: http://lyris.wesleyan.edu/read/?forum=wallace_stevens he Academy of American Poets: http://www.poets.org/ From: owner-whworldpoets at writing.upenn.edu [mailto:owner-whworldpoets at writing.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Al Filreis Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:53 PM To: Al Filreis; Charles Bernstein Subject: new at PennSound: Wallace Stevens We are pleased to announce a new PennSound author page - that of Wallace Stevens. We begin by making available two recordings made in Boston - a project in collaboration with the Woodberry Poetry Room at Harvard. New Stevens recordings will be added to this page in the coming months: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Stevens-Wallace.html We especially wish to thank Christina Davis, Peter Hanchak, and John Serio. - Al Filreis & Charles Bernstein Co-Directors, PennSound --------------------------------- ou are currently subscribed to wallace_stevens as: JforJames at aol.com o unsubscribe send a blank email to: leave-837470-757762.e82aa81223029f7553ac31c5fad8896b at lyris.wesleyan.edu ist archive: http://lyris.wesleyan.edu/read/?forum=wallace_stevens he Academy of American Poets: http://www.poets.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mill -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28 am Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry library southbank centre calendar Mill, direct her here... http://www.poetrylibrary.org.uk/events/readings/?type=oneoff _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue #2 of ?We Are Champion? got pissed and chose to obliterate any and all female poetics completely. Issue #2 of ?We Are Champion? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, Mike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. p.s. The We Are Champs? editor has changed the contributors? names to mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women?s names). Now that is WAC! My response (updated) -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ Contributor responds -- http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100422/178126f9/attachment.html From junction Thu Apr 22 16:20:21 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:20:21 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. Best, Mark At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: >WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 > >When Issue #1 offered the work of three women >(Blake Butler, Mathias Svalina, Rachel B. >Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan >Papas, Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, >Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue >#2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose >to obliterate any and all female poetics completely. > >Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the >All ? Live, All- Male revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris >Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, >Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark >Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. > >p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the >contributors??? names to mislead & protect the >innocent (of course, into women???s names). Now that is WAC! > > >My response (updated) -- >http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ > >Contributor responds -- >http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100422/0f088267/attachment.html From amyhappens Thu Apr 22 16:41:54 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:41:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think the dude is a young editor and likely didn't even think about it. And being the annoying person I am, I decided to make him think about. I guess that's intrusive. I'm not winning any popularity contests in my attempts to point out the effects of undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. And I also realize that I'm only focussing on the effects of one bias - which is problematic and difficult to integrate with other considerations, but I'm going to have to figure out how to do so. I'm writing a couple of essays now, but by way of example, Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young focused on gender in their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and were strongly criticized for omitting race. I notice race a lot, who gets left, as well as sexuality, etc. I even notice when some US-based mags publish people from other countries bc that just doesn't happen so often. Mostly, I realize it's the short most basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do it to get people talking and to make them aware. This editor is young; he can at least start thinking about what it means to be an editor and decide what the responsibilities of that title incur. I mean, Publisher's Weekly defense that they "just chose the best" and ended up with ten men on their top ten list of 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a ton of questions, even beyond 'what were their criteria'. What does this list do? Does it actually mean anything to readers? How does such a list feed into the capitalization of the literary arts, etc. How are they perpetuating obvious old-school masculine rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? Are the 'classics' always going to by written by dead white men when we enter a classroom? And the token virginal nature lady writer? But I go on. I think those journals you name attempt to be a corrective for the glaring absence of women's voices on that literary landscape. They're not remedies by any sense of the word. They are absorbed and mocked in most instances: all-women's magazine? Women's studies? Where are the men's studies? Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. As though we haven't been studying the ideas and listening to the words that men have published for centuries. It's why domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't debate worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and whatever other adventurous ontological stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears perk and brains zing with the hunt and debate of the show. Or something like that. Mixing lots of metaphors there... I was listening today to James Baldwin answer "The Question" as the excerpt is so called from an interview. He responds at one point that 'white people need to figure out why they need a nigger.' In small part, he's responding to this notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - no one wants that position when that position rings of 'lesser than' inferiority. But the *reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend much farther and deeper than the person who gets ghettoized as a result of those earlier beliefs, practices and continued enforcement, however aware or unaware the perpetrators are of enforcing such positionality. Just pointing out that there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't exist doesn't exactly fix anything. I can point out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only when people start really interrogating how those numbers came to be so skewed, so disproportionate, how did so many men get all of the publishing awards and have their books heralded and praised, etc, only then might the practices and mentalities themselves begin to change. Here's the Baldwin clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE Amy ________________________________ From: Mark Weiss To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. Best, Mark At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: WAC >Poetry Magazine Issue #2 > >>When Issue #1 offered the work of three women (Blake Butler, Mathias >Svalina, Rachel B. Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, >Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo >Ditrapano), Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose to >obliterate any and all female poetics completely. > >>Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male >revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, >Joseph Goosey, Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard >Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. > >>p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the contributors??? names to >mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women???s >names). Now that is WAC! > > >>My response (updated) -- >>http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ > >>Contributor responds -- >>http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100422/759c055b/attachment.html From junction Thu Apr 22 18:09:56 2010 From: junction (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:09:56 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Right. Tho there's been an enormous amount of change in the right direction, and the absence of women isn't nearly as glaring as it used to be.. Do I rememeber correctly that all of the Pulitzer poetry finalists were women this year? Which doesn't let Publishers Weekly off the hook, but does make it seem like a throwback. I'm aware that they have company. Changing the canons of older writing is considerably trickier. Tho some women have always been included,and there are some who weren't and should have been, the reality I think is that there are very few time slots available in any literary study below graduate level. I'm not suggesting answers--I don't have any. Best, Mark At 06:38 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: > I think the dude is a young editor and likely > didn't even think about it. And being the > annoying person I am, I decided to make him > think about. I guess that's intrusive. I'm > not winning any popularity contests in my > attempts to point out the effects of > undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. And I > also realize that I'm only focussing on the > effects of one bias - which is problematic and > difficult to integrate with other > considerations, but I'm going to have to figure > out how to do so. I'm writing a couple of > essays now, but by way of example, Juliana > Spahr and Stephanie Young focused on gender in > their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and > were strongly criticized for omitting race. I > notice race a lot, who gets left, as well as > sexuality, etc. I even notice when some > US-based mags publish people from other > countries bc that just doesn't happen so > often. Mostly, I realize it's the short most > basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do > it to get people talking and to make them > aware. This editor is young; he can at least > start thinking about what it means to be an > editor and decide what the responsibilities of > that title incur. I mean, Publisher's Weekly > defense that they "just chose the best" and > ended up with ten men on their top ten list of > 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a > ton of questions, even beyond 'what were their > criteria'. What does this list do? Does it > actually mean anything to readers? How does > such a list feed into the capitalization of the > literary arts, etc. How are they perpetuating > obvious old-school masculine > rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? Are the > 'classics' always going to by written by dead > white men when we enter a classroom? And the > token virginal nature lady writer? > >But I go on. I think those journals you name >attempt to be a corrective for the glaring >absence of women's voices on that literary >landscape. They're not remedies by any sense of >the word. They are absorbed and mocked in most >instances: all-women's magazine? Women's >studies? Where are the men's studies? Guffaw, >guffaw, guffaw. As though we haven't been >studying the ideas and listening to the words >that men have published for centuries. It's why >domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't >debate worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and >whatever other adventurous ontological >stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears >perk and brains zing with the hunt and debate of >the show. Or something like that. Mixing lots of metaphors there... > >I was listening today to James Baldwin answer >"The Question" as the excerpt is so called from >an interview. He responds at one point that >'white people need to figure out why they need a >nigger.' In small part, he's responding to this >notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - >no one wants that position when that position >rings of 'lesser than' inferiority. But the >*reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend >much farther and deeper than the person who gets >ghettoized as a result of those earlier beliefs, >practices and continued enforcement, however >aware or unaware the perpetrators are of >enforcing such positionality. Just pointing out >that there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't >exist doesn't exactly fix anything. I can point >out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only >when people start really interrogating how those >numbers came to be so skewed, so >disproportionate, how did so many men get all of >the publishing awards and have their books >heralded and praised, etc, only then might the >practices and mentalities themselves begin to change. > >Here's the Baldwin clip - >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE > >Amy > > >From: Mark Weiss >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & >Views" >Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion > >Almost inconceivable that this could happen by >accident (or that someone would call a journal >WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be >much tolerance of a journal that actually >declared itself an all-male precinct. How do you >feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and >Women's Review of Books, which do declare their >bias? What about other journals defined by >identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? > >Most of these are very fine, and fortunately >there's no shortage of places to publish, but >the wider issue might be fun to talk about. > >Best, > >Mark > >At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: >>WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 >> >>When Issue #1 offered the work of three women >>(Blake Butler, Mathias Svalina, Rachel B. >>Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan >>Papas, Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, >>Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue >>#2 of ??????We Are Champion?????? got pissed >>and chose toto obliterate any and all female poetics completely. >> >>Issue #2 of ????We Are Champion?????? now stars >>the the All ? Live, All- Male revue: Jimmy >>Chen, Chris Oklum,, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, >>Joseph Goosey, Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel >>Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. >> >>p.s. The We Are Champs???? editor has changed >>thethe contributors???? names to mislead & >>protect the he innocent (of course, into >>women????s names). No Now that is WAC! >> >> >>My response (updated) -- >>http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ >> >> >>Contributor responds -- >>http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of >Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > >"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's >Random House Book of Twentieth Century French >Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively >broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside >the United States and also created a superb >collection of foreign poems in English. There is >nothing else like it." John Palattella in The >Nation > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100422/c42dc49e/attachment.html From jforjames Thu Apr 22 18:49:08 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:49:08 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCB0955A5B896E-1ECC-14725@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Amy, I wish I had ti -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion I think the dude is a young editor and likely didn't even think about it. And being the annoying person I am, I decided to make him think about. I guess that's intrusive. I'm not winning any popularity contests in my attempts to point out the effects of undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. And I also realize that I'm only focussing on the effects of one bias - which is problematic and difficult to integrate with other considerations, but I'm going to have to figure out how to do so. I'm writing a couple of essays now, but by way of example, Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young focused on gender in their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and were strongly criticized for omitting race. I notice race a lot, who gets left, as well as sexuality, etc. I even notice when some US-based mags publish people from other countries bc that just doesn't happen so often. Mostly, I realize it's the short most basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do it to get people talking and to make them aware. This editor is young; he can at least start thinking about what it means to be an editor and decide what the responsibilities of that title incur. I mean, Publisher's Weekly defense that they "just chose the best" and ended up with ten men on their top ten list of 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a ton of questions, even beyond 'what were their criteria'. What does this list do? Does it actually mean anything to readers? How does such a list feed into the capitalization of the literary arts, etc. How are they perpetuating obvious old-school masculine rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? Are the 'classics' always going to by written by dead white men when we enter a classroom? And the token virginal nature lady writer? But I go on. I think those journals you name attempt to be a corrective for the glaring absence of women's voices on that literary landscape. They're not remedies by any sense of the word. They are absorbed and mocked in most instances: all-women's magazine? Women's studies? Where are the men's studies? Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. As though we haven't been studying the ideas and listening to the words that men have published for centuries. It's why domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't debate worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and whatever other adventurous ontological stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears perk and brains zing with the hunt and debate of the show. Or something like that. Mixing lots of metaphors there... I was listening today to James Baldwin answer "The Question" as the excerpt is so called from an interview. He responds at one point that 'white people need to figure out why they need a nigger.' In small part, he's responding to this notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - no one wants that position when that position rings of 'lesser than' inferiority. But the *reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend much farther and deeper than the person who gets ghettoized as a result of those earlier beliefs, practices and continued enforcement, however aware or unaware the perpetrators are of enforcing such positionality. Just pointing out that there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't exist doesn't exactly fix anything. I can point out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only when people start really interrogating how those numbers came to be so skewed, so disproportionate, how did so many men get all of the publishing awards and have their books heralded and praised, etc, only then might the practices and mentalities themselves begin to change. Here's the Baldwin clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE Amy From: Mark Weiss To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. Best, Mark At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 When Issue #1 offered the work of three women (Blake Butler, Mathias Svalina, Rachel B. Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose to obliterate any and all female poetics completely. Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the contributors??? names to mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women???s names). Now that is WAC! My response (updated) -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ Contributor responds -- http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100422/9d4f21c7/attachment.html From amyhappens Fri Apr 23 08:43:33 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 23 08:43:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <8CCB0955A5B896E-1ECC-14725@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CCB0955A5B896E-1ECC-14725@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <347894.77570.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm calling you back, James - you got cut off... ________________________________ From: "jforjames at aol.com" To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 8:45:06 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion Amy, I wish I had ti -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion ?I think the dude is a young editor and likely didn't even think about it. ?And being the annoying person I am, I decided to make him think about. ?I guess that's intrusive. ?I'm not winning any popularity contests in my attempts to point out the effects of undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. ?And I also realize that I'm only focussing on the effects of one bias - which is problematic and difficult to integrate with other considerations, but I'm going to have to figure out how to do so. ?I'm writing a couple of essays now, but by way of example, Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young focused on gender in their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and were strongly criticized for omitting race. ?I notice race a lot, who gets left, as well as sexuality, etc. ?I even notice when some US-based mags publish people from other countries bc that just doesn't happen so often. ?Mostly, I realize it's the short most basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do it to get people talking and to make them aware. ?This editor is young; he can at least start thinking about what it means to be an editor and decide what the responsibilities of that title incur. ?I mean, Publisher's Weekly defense that they "just chose the best" and ended up with ten men on their top ten list of 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a ton of questions, even beyond 'what were their criteria'. ?What does this list do? ?Does it actually mean anything to readers? ?How does such a list feed into the capitalization of the literary arts, etc. ?How are they perpetuating obvious old-school masculine rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? ?Are the 'classics' always going to by written by dead white men when we enter a classroom? ?And the token virginal nature lady writer? ? But I go on. ?I think those journals you name attempt to be a corrective for the glaring absence of women's voices on that literary landscape. ?They're not remedies by any sense of the word. ?They are absorbed and mocked in most instances: ?all-women's magazine? ?Women's studies? ?Where are the men's studies? ?Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. ?As though we haven't been studying the ideas and listening to the words that men have published for centuries. ?It's why domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't debate worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and whatever other adventurous ontological stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears perk and brains zing with the hunt and debate of the show. ?Or something like that. ? Mixing lots of metaphors there...? I was listening today to James Baldwin answer "The Question" as the excerpt is so called from an interview. ?He responds at one point that 'white people need to figure out why they need a nigger.' ?In small part, he's responding to this notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - no one wants that position when that position rings of 'lesser than' inferiority. ?But the *reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend much farther and deeper than the person who gets ghettoized as a result of those earlier beliefs, practices and continued enforcement, however aware or unaware the perpetrators are of enforcing such positionality. ?Just pointing out that there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't exist doesn't exactly fix anything. ?I can point out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only when people start really interrogating how those numbers came to be so skewed, so disproportionate, how did so many men get all of the publishing awards and have their books heralded and praised, etc, only then might the practices and mentalities themselves begin to change. ? Here's the Baldwin clip -?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE Amy ________________________________ From: Mark Weiss To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. Best, Mark At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 > >When Issue #1 offered the work of three women (Blake Butler, Mathias Svalina, Rachel B. Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, Carl Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose to obliterate any and all female poetics completely. > >Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male revue:?? Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an interview with Ben Marcus. > >p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the contributors??? names to mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women???s names).? Now that is WAC! > > >My response (updated) -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ > >Contributor responds -- http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100423/712e4e8f/attachment.html From amyhappens Fri Apr 23 09:11:27 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 23 09:11:27 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hot Friday the Next - Sandy Florian, Lara Glenum, Lesley Jenike, Saeed Jones, Metta Sama & Tom Sleigh! Message-ID: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sandy Florian, Lara Glenum, Lesley Jenike, Saeed Jones, Metta Sama & Tom Sleigh! Friday, April 30 @ 7 p.m. Goodbye Blue Monday Edge-of-Williamsburg = Bushwick, Brooklyn http://stainofpoetry.com ? Sandy Florian is the author of Telescope (Action Books), 32 Pedals & 47 Stops (Tarpaulin Sky), The Tree of No (Action Books), Prelude to Air From Water (Elixir Press), and On Wonderland & Waste (Sidebrow Press). She lives in San Francisco where she is an affiliate artist at Headlands Center for the Arts and works as one of the ?other? editors for Tarpaulin Sky Journal. For more information, visit her blog at http://boxingthecompass.blogspot.com ~ Lara Glenum is a poet, scholar, and translator. She is the author of two books of poetry: The Hounds of No (Action Books, 2005) and Maximum Gaga (Action Books, 2009). Her chapbook, The Hotling Chronicles, is due out from Tarpaulin Sky later this year. With Arielle Greenberg, she is the co-editor of Gurlesque, an anthology of contemporary women?s poetry and visual art (Saturnalia Books, 2010). She has recently been collaborating with sound, visual, and digital media artists on Meat Out of the Eater [hyperlink: http://vimeo.com/7215889], a multimedia installation. She teaches in the MFA program in Creative Writing at LSU. ~ Lesley Jenike is the author of Ghost of Fashion (CustomWords, 2009). She is a native of Cincinnati, OH and received her doctorate from the University of Cincinnati in 2008. Her poems have appeared in POOL, Court Green, Brooklyn Review, Gulf Coast, Sou?Wester, Verse, Alaska Quarterly Review, Forklift, Ohio, Washington Square, Crab Orchard Review, and others. She?s currently Assistant Professor of English at Columbus College of Art and Design. ~ Saeed Jones is currently completing his MFA in Creative Writing at Rutgers University ? Newark. He?s a graduate of Western Kentucky University where he won the Jim Wayne Miller Award for Poetry. While at Western, he was the poetry editor for Rise Over Run Magazine. His work has appeared or is forthcoming in publications like StorySouth, Barnwood Magazine, Splinter Generation, The Adirondack Review, Mary, and Ganymede. He blogs regularly at saeedjones.wordpress.com ~ Metta Sama says: I am a poet, professor, activist, painter, collage artist, fiction and essay writer. My poetry, currently, looks at instabilities in writings by persons subjected to various forms of oppression. I am interested in the joy of making and creating art and stories and images that will, eventually, disintegrate, return to the source it came from. I question what it means to make thoughts, ideas, & feelings stable, to devote oneself to immortality. My work has appeared in Proud Flesh Journal, The Drunken Boat, Blackbird, Paterson Literary Review, Yellow Medicine Review, Crab Orchard, and other journals, & I am the author of one published collection of poems. ~ Tom Sleigh?s most recent book of poetry, Space Walk (Houghton Mifflin, 2007), won the 2008 Kingsley Tufts Award. His book of essays, Interview with a Ghost, was published by Graywolf Press in 2006. He has also published After One, Waking, The Chain, The Dreamhouse, Far Side of the Earth, Bula Matari/Smasher of Rocks, and a translation of Euripides? Herakles. He has won the Shelley Prize from the PSA, and grants from the Lila Wallace Fund, American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Guggenheim and NEA. His new book, Army Cats, is forthcoming in spring, 2011, from Graywolf Press. He teaches in the MFA Program at Hunter College. at Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 Broadway (corner of Dodworth St) Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave or J train to Kosciusko St ~ Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? http://amyking.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100423/46590d71/attachment-0001.html From bircumplus Fri Apr 23 09:28:54 2010 From: bircumplus (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri Apr 23 09:28:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal In-Reply-To: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and innovative thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new poetry for, say, five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By publication I mean anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The question of private circulation would require some careful deliberation and refinement of definition: there are always going to be those who have compulsions to share their latest with either their cat, house-plants or mother. Although this would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it would be exciting if official support could be won and transgression of the discipline of silence could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced indexing of European Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment joint by joint in an art exhibition (while being maintained alive for the longest possible period to endure the even more excruciating pain of the other exhibits). The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, absolutely and utterly,? imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World with the hot air saved, while, as there would be no strictures against re-publication,? we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His "Dead Poets Grand Tour 2010" kicks off on what's believed to be the anniversary of William Shakespeare's birth in 1564 with a poetry reading at Portland's Eastern Cemetery, the burial place of British and American sea captains cited in Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's poem "My Lost Youth." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100423/f86d163f/attachment.html From jforjames Fri Apr 23 12:35:23 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 23 12:35:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal In-Reply-To: <613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCB12A54F1150A-1564-FBFA@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> The Poets Agree to Be Quiet by the Swamp They hold their hands over their mouths And stare at the stretch of water. What can be said has been said before: Strokes of light like herons' legs in the cattails, Mud underneath, frogs lying even deeper. Therefore, the poets may keep quiet. But the corners of their mouths grin past their hands. They stick their elbows out into the evening, Stoop, and begin the ancient croaking. - David Wagoner, Collected Poems 1956-1976 -----Original Message----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:25 am Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and innovative thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new poetry for, say, five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By publication I mean anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The question of private circulation would require some careful deliberation and refinement of definition: there are always going to be those who have compulsions to share their latest with either their cat, house-plants or mother. Although this would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it would be exciting if official support could be won and transgression of the discipline of silence could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced indexing of European Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment joint by joint in an art exhibition (while being maintained alive for the longest possible period to endure the even more excruciating pain of the other exhibits). The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, absolutely and utterly, imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World with the hot air saved, while, as there would be no strictures against re-publication, we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100423/675c9ebc/attachment.html From ccooley Fri Apr 23 12:36:01 2010 From: ccooley (Crisman Cooley) Date: Fri Apr 23 12:36:01 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A Modest Proposal Message-ID: e! (this means "I like it") > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:25:19 +0000 (GMT) > From: David Bircumshaw > Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <613359.65254.qm at web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and innovative thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new poetry for, say, five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By publication I mean anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The question of private circulation would require some careful deliberation and refinement of definition: there are always going to be those who have compulsions to share their latest with either their cat, house-plants or mother. Although this would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it would be exciting if official support could be won and transgression of the discipline of silence could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced indexing of European Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment joint by joint in an art exhibition (while being maintained alive for the longest possible period to endure the even more excruciating pain of the other exhibits). > The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, absolutely and utterly,? imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World with the hot air saved, while, as there would be no strictures against re-publication,? we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. > ?David Bircumshaw > > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100423/73f44eee/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 70, Issue 32 > ****************************************** > -- Crisman Cooley +1.805.426.5167 (int'l skype) +1.805.252.2421 (US cell) From jforjames Fri Apr 23 13:26:01 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 23 13:26:01 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Shinder's last Message-ID: <8CCB1316D048192-1564-10873@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> http://bostonreview.net/BR35.2/shinder_micro.php BOSTON REVIEW MARCH/APRIL 2010 Stupid Hope Jason Shinder Graywolf Press, $15 (paper) Robert Schnall In April 2008 Jason Shinder?poet, editor, and founder of the YMCA National Writer?s Voice? succumbed to lymphoma and leukemia at the age of 52. ?Cancer is a tremendous opportunity,? he said, ?to have your face pressed right up against the glass of your mortality.? 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Do I win something? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From jbalizsprince Fri Apr 23 17:29:09 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Fri Apr 23 17:29:09 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] male issue In-Reply-To: <600462.89257.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <600462.89257.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's a hoot, David! (I mean the title of the issue "Man Po"). Why did you stop partway thru the interviews? BTW, I also had an all male issue: his name's Christopher and he's not a poet. Best, Judy On 23 April 2010 19:10, David Baratier wrote: > We had an all male issue some years back, #8, the Man Po. > > It was an all male-author unfinished-interview issue > in which I interviewed various poets, many famous ones > including the (then) poet Laureate of Canada, > and partway through each interview I would stop. > > Do I win something? > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and innovative > thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new poetry for, say, > five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By publication I mean > anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The question of private > circulation would require some careful deliberation and refinement of > definition: there are always going to be those who have compulsions to share > their latest with either their cat, house-plants or mother. Although this > would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it would be exciting if > official support could be won and transgression of the discipline of silence > could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced indexing of European > Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment joint by joint in an art > exhibition (while being maintained alive for the longest possible period to > endure the even more excruciating pain of the other exhibits). > The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all > those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences > through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, > absolutely and utterly, imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that > would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World > with the hot air saved, while, as there would be no strictures against > re-publication, we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives > and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously > examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if > scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to > what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. > > David Bircumshaw > > > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------ > ** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His many collections of poetry have included Stones, Air, At Malibu, John's Heart, When Things Get Tough on Easy Street, Paradise Resisted, Disordered Ideas, Fractured Karma, Sleepwalker's Fate, Junkets on a Sad Planet: Scenes from the Life of John Keats, Like Real People, Empire of Skin, Light and Shade, The New World, Something in the Air, and Feeling for the Ground. He lives in Berkeley, California with his wife and partner of forty-two years, Angelica Heinegg. Check out his blog atTomClarkBlog.blogspot.com ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:43:17 To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Free chapbook by Tom Clark _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd Sat Apr 24 09:03:34 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat Apr 24 09:03:34 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Verse Wisconsin: Alternate Realities- Poems & Visual Poetry Message-ID: <2E2225AF-648F-4BDC-87EA-381BE0535759@ripon.edu> Issue #102 of Verse Wisconsin has just appeared. Unusual among journals that I know of, Verse Wisconsin publishes related but entirely distinct online and print issues. The new online issue is here: http://www.versewisconsin.org/issue102.html Note to VisPo fans: there is a feature on visual poetry this time. Individual poems by Susan Firer, Denise Duhamel, Ron Wallace, David Steingass, Jessy Randall, Marilyn Taylor, Brent Goodman, and others. Also, reviews, essays, audio, and an interview with Mattea Harvey. Contributors are not limited to Wisconsin residence, by the way. You might consider submitting. DISCLAIMER: I serve on the journal's advisory board, though I'm not involved editorially. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He returned to Brisbane briefly in 1954 before moving back to London, where he joined The Group, a renowned collective of British poets that consisted of Philip Hobsbaum, Peter Redgrove, Martin Bell, Alan Brownjohn and Ted Hughes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100424/9bcc9537/attachment.html From jforjames Sun Apr 25 06:58:22 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 25 06:58:22 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCB28DA16916FD-1478-7A70@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> David, stumbled on another writer who agrees with your proposal, the skeptical and dyspeptic Cioran... The greatest favor we can do an author is to forbid him to work during a certain period. Short-term tyrannies are necessary?prohibitions which would suspend all intellectual activities. Uninterrupted freedom of expression exposes talent to a deadly danger, forces it beyond its means and keeps it from stockpiling sensations and experiences. Unlimited freedom is a crime against the mind. ?E.M. Cioran, The Trouble With Being Born (Arcade, 1998), translated by Richard Howard On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and innovative thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new poetry for, say, five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By publication I mean anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The question of private circulation would require some careful deliberation and refinement of definition: there are always going to be those who have compulsions to share their latest with either their cat, house-plants or mother. Although this would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it would be exciting if official support could be won and transgression of the discipline of silence could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced indexing of European Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment joint by joint in an art exhibition (while being maintained alive for the longest possible period to endure the even more excruciating pain of the other exhibits). The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, absolutely and utterly, imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World with the hot air sacved, while, as there would be no strictures against re-publication, we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100425/31a6994a/attachment.html From halvard Sun Apr 25 08:45:55 2010 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun Apr 25 08:45:55 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Modest Proposal In-Reply-To: <8CCB28DA16916FD-1478-7A70@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8CCB28DA16916FD-1478-7A70@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Unlimited freedom. Hmm, I wonder where one can find that. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye (downloadable and free) is @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:54 AM, wrote: > David, stumbled on another writer who agrees with your proposal, the > skeptical and dyspeptic Cioran... > > The greatest favor we can do an author is to forbid him to work during a > certain period. Short-term tyrannies are necessary?prohibitions which would > suspend all intellectual activities. *Uninterrupted* freedom of expression > exposes talent to a deadly danger, forces it beyond its means and keeps it > from stockpiling sensations and experiences. Unlimited freedom is a crime > against the mind. > > ?E.M. Cioran, The Trouble With Being Born (Arcade, 1998), translated by > Richard Howard > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bircumshaw < > bircumplus at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> I consider it would be a fine thing, a truly experimental and >> innovative thing, if there were a moratorium on the publication of new >> poetry for, say, five years. Or even just twelve months for a test run. By >> publication I mean anything in print, the internet OR read in public. The >> question of private circulation would require some careful deliberation and >> refinement of definition: there are always going to be those who have >> compulsions to share their latest with either their cat, house-plants or >> mother. Although this would probably have to be a voluntary arrangement it >> would be exciting if official support could be won and transgression of the >> discipline of silence could incur a suitable sanction, such as enforced >> indexing of European Community Food Policy laws or public dismemberment >> joint by joint in an art exhibition (while being maintained alive for the >> longest possible period to endure the even more excruciating pain of the >> other exhibits). >> The benefits of this temporary trappism of poetry would be immense: all >> those counterfeit versifiers who exist solely to torture their audiences >> through the amplification system of egotism would evanesce and vanish quite, >> absolutely and utterly, imagine the global deflation of wind-bags that >> would ensue, we could probably supply the energy needs of the Third World >> with the hot air sacved, while, as there would be no strictures against >> re-publication, we would have ample opportunity to assemble retrospectives >> and collected works, reputations could be thoughtfully and fastidiously >> examined, perhaps people would begin to remember how to read, other than if >> scanning a newspaper, and most of all there would be restoration of poets to >> what should be their true proving ground: the blank solitude of the page. >> >> David Bircumshaw >> >> >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> ** >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100425/94619ecb/attachment.html From grahamd Sun Apr 25 09:10:43 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sun Apr 25 09:10:43 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A Modest Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <766106.67570.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <613359.65254.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8CCB28DA16916FD-1478-7A70@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7D661DA2-21C7-404E-8683-355BC52A3D06@ripon.edu> I'm signing up. But the proposal is too modest by far. We must have a moratorium on music, too. There is far too much music in the air. And no more painting. Let's all stop dancing and making pottery, also. Novels, stories, and plays: cease & desist! No more fairy tales. Radios: off! Movies: who needs 'em? TVs must all be unplugged immediately. If you're reading this on a computer, stop! At least dim the screen for a while. And there must be less praying. The air is just clogged with prayers & hymns: silence! And no cheating with silent meditation, either! We need to stop talking, obviously, and thinking is getting out of hand as well. Let's just take a break for a while, and let our minds rest. Eating and drinking are verboten from now on. And cut down on that breathing, while you're at it. The sound of it is much too distracting. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And no more painting. Let's all stop dancing and making pottery, also. Novels, stories, and plays: cease & desist! No more fairy tales. Radios: off! Movies: who needs 'em? TVs must all be unplugged immediately. If you're reading this on a computer, stop! At least dim the screen for a while. And there must be less praying. The air is just clogged with prayers & hymns: silence! And no cheating with silent meditation, either! We need to stop talking, obviously, and thinking is getting out of hand as well. Let's just take a break for a while, and let our minds rest. Eating and drinking are verboten from now on. And cut down on that breathing, while you're at it. The sound of it is much too distracting. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100425/7f64941e/attachment.html From amyhappens Sun Apr 25 13:13:32 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Sun Apr 25 13:13:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Most Important Book Every Man Should Read Message-ID: <779548.76186.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The Most Important Book Every Man Should Read -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-leveen/the-most-important-book-e_b_399419.html http://www.girleffect.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah well ... ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: David Graham To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Sun, 25 April, 2010 16:07:26 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A Modest Proposal I'm signing up. ?But the proposal is too modest by far. ?We must have a moratorium on music, too. ? There is far too much music in the air. ?And no more painting. ?Let's all stop dancing and making pottery, also. ?Novels, stories, and plays: ?cease & desist! ?No more fairy tales. ?Radios: ?off! ?Movies: ?who needs 'em? ?TVs must all be unplugged immediately. ?If you're reading this on a computer, stop! ?At least dim the screen for a while. ?And there must be less praying. ?The air is just clogged with prayers & hymns: ?silence! ?And no cheating with silent meditation, either! ?We need to stop talking, obviously, and thinking is getting out of hand as well. ?Let's just take a break for a while, and let our minds rest. ?Eating and drinking are verboten from now on. ?And cut down on that breathing, while you're at it. ?The sound of it is much too distracting. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.me.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"She aspired to be a poet in those days (and in fact never gave up writing poetry) and became the general secretary of the Poetry Society, which precisely because it was a backwater was a viper?s nest of invidiousness and intrigue." ? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/books/review/McGrath-t.html?pagewanted=2&nl=books&emc=booksupdateema3 ? ?David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk Blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tuesday, April 27, 7:00pm Poets House, 10 River Terrace, NYC $10, $7 for students and seniors, free to Poets House Members Info: 212-431-7920 or www.poetshouse.org Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Palattella in The Nation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100426/c443a5dd/attachment.html From c.a.b.daly Tue Apr 27 11:02:31 2010 From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue Apr 27 11:02:31 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alongside sexism/gender bias, there are threads about disability (hard to know if writers are disabled! would FINNEGAN'S WAKE have been different if Joyce could see or had the technology we have to write as a formerly sighted person?) and influence on many poetry lists now... so many that I am thinking increasingly of tokenism. There are two white transgender poets from the bay area who leap to the minds of mostly experimental writers in or from the bay area who would curate. How inclusive is including one of those two on every panel, in every journal issue? The road of "identity writing on identity subjects in an approved way" is a road we know, and a road which led to problems of reception with this work last century. Wanda Coleman talks about works being "overpraised" because they fit a category. There's been a lot of wrangling about women's journals not being feminist journals and being unable to include work by women which is innovative: the whole Kathy Acker vs. bread-baking poems debate, the whole Eleanor Antin documenting her meetings with a women's group thing -- it is the same for [pick your identity poetics]. I think it is time to write criticism of editors and curators, rather than do body counts. Obviously it is more than annoying when someone, out of the pressure of being pc, claims "really these books by white men are the best books of the year" etc., but perhaps it is time to move beyond the problem of the best, inclusion/difference, and sexism / racism / identity politics that are sooo 80s to what a lot of writers were doing before that and after that which was saying this literary criticism we're using has more than an institutional bias, some of these ideas of progress/newness are sheer bunk, printing and dissemination and writing technology have changed everything and continue to change very rapidly, and if you're reading and editing in such a way that the material you push forward is indistinguishable (in this case from that in another genre) except it is only written by young men, then you are a severely limited reader. My general sense is that this *has changed* at the undergraduate level, that students have a sense that they are only hitting a few iceberg-tips rather than getting a nice and complete timeline for each discipline. Thank heaven it is preteen Japanese girls pushing technology so that older white men make billions of dollars. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Troupe is a two-time American Book Award winner, World Heavyweight Champion Poet, author of 17 books, co-author with Chris Gardner of ?The Pursuit of Happyness? (later a film starring Will Smith), and recipient of the Peabody Award. Troupe?s poetry is infused with the rhythms, language, themes and improvisations of jazz. Here?s a verse from ?Snake-Back Solo?: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Judy Prince wrote: From: Judy Prince Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] male issue To: editor at pavementsaw.org, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:25 PM That's a hoot, David! ?(I mean the title of the issue "Man Po"). Why did you stop partway thru the interviews? ? BTW, I also had an all male issue: ?his name's Christopher and he's not a poet. Best, Judy On 23 April 2010 19:10, David Baratier wrote: We had an all male issue some years back, #8, the Man Po. It was an all male-author unfinished-interview issue in which I interviewed various poets, many famous ones including the (then) poet Laureate of Canada, and partway through each interview I would stop. Do I win something? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100427/7b8441f7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini Wed Apr 28 02:34:32 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed Apr 28 02:34:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: and the preteen or teen or young daughters of the older white and black and yellow men who make billions and their boyfriends sons of older white and black and yellow men and do not need to work and have private tutors, or they work but for a billion a minute, and they might not have a private tutor but they have the best universities, but they anyhow do not end up being the best because they are trying to destroy the idea of the best, still the Best exist, and they do not usually belong to that layer of society, nor do they belong to other layers of society but to a very different kind of species although they are just alike. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > Alongside sexism/gender bias, there are threads about disability (hard to > know if writers are disabled! would FINNEGAN'S WAKE have been different if > Joyce could see or had the technology we have to write as a formerly sighted > person?) and influence on many poetry lists now... so many that I am > thinking increasingly of tokenism. There are two white transgender poets > from the bay area who leap to the minds of mostly experimental writers in or > from the bay area who would curate. How inclusive is including one of those > two on every panel, in every journal issue? The road of "identity writing > on identity subjects in an approved way" is a road we know, and a road which > led to problems of reception with this work last century. Wanda Coleman > talks about works being "overpraised" because they fit a category. There's > been a lot of wrangling about women's journals not being feminist journals > and being unable to include work by women which is innovative: the whole > Kathy Acker vs. bread-baking poems debate, the whole Eleanor Antin > documenting her meetings with a women's group thing -- it is the same for > [pick your identity poetics]. > > I think it is time to write criticism of editors and curators, rather than > do body counts. Obviously it is more than annoying when someone, out of the > pressure of being pc, claims "really these books by white men are the best > books of the year" etc., but perhaps it is time to move beyond the problem > of the best, inclusion/difference, and sexism / racism / identity politics > that are sooo 80s to what a lot of writers were doing before that and after > that which was saying this literary criticism we're using has more than an > institutional bias, some of these ideas of progress/newness are sheer bunk, > printing and dissemination and writing technology have changed everything > and continue to change very rapidly, and if you're reading and editing in > such a way that the material you push forward is indistinguishable (in this > case from that in another genre) except it is only written by young men, > then you are a severely limited reader. > > My general sense is that this *has changed* at the undergraduate level, > that students have a sense that they are only hitting a few iceberg-tips > rather than getting a nice and complete timeline for each discipline. > > Thank heaven it is preteen Japanese girls pushing technology so that older > white men make billions of dollars. > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100428/4fb95636/attachment.html From c.a.b.daly Wed Apr 28 09:27:45 2010 From: c.a.b.daly (Catherine Daly) Date: Wed Apr 28 09:27:45 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not saying there aren't some great works, but if the criteria provide a list that contains all white men, or white men and the same old tokens, your criteria for what's "best" are flawed, and the attempt to adjust them isn't fixing the primary problem: the criteria are flawed. Obvious flaws of the PW list is that PW no longer reviews *most* US published books. Like National Book Award, PW only really reads the major university presses and the major for-profit presses (big and small) -- this now represents a small fraction of what's published by non-networked people outside major cities. Then there are *approved topics." Then there is *approved way.* What are the other problems -- what gets so many intelligent, only quietly sexist and racist people, to the place where the "best" is obviously not the best? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100428/4f9e9110/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Wed Apr 28 10:08:33 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Wed Apr 28 10:08:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Poetry Bomb Message-ID: <4BD85CDB.5050209@opus40.org> ...couch surfing across America, Don't miss S.A. Griffin's Albuquerque stop at Acequia Booksellers on his national Poetry Bomb Couch Surfing Across America Tour of Words 2010. The Poetry Bomb is a former Vietnam era military practice bomb that has been converted into an art object filled with poetry from around the world. "Elsie" is the first and only poetry bomb ever created. If you want a poem considered for inclusion in the Poetry Bomb Anthology, the poem that you read should be one poem only and should fit onto an 8.5x11 piece of paper.This is not an open reading where you are being asked to simply read from whatever you bring, it is specifically to participate in the Poetry Bomb project, so hopefully it is much more thoughtful than simply just reading a random poem. Also, if you already have a poem inside the piece, you should read that (only) and not something else. https://luciolepress.com/The_Poetry_Bomb_Schedule.html -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman Wed Apr 28 10:25:15 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed Apr 28 10:25:15 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><16742.82008.qm@we b83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BD86F7D.9070706@nut-n-but.net> What books the mediocrities and sub-mediocrities running publications like Publishers' Weekly think are superior has always annoyed me, but I doubt there will ever be anything people like me will be able to do about them. So I try my best to ignore their stupidities. But the PW scandal that Catherine has brought up again is highly interesting sociologically. I'm curious. While it's been the subject of various Internet discussions among poets, has it broken into the mainstream news? I haven't noticed that it has. I should think the story would have reached Time or Newsweek or some other such publication. Has it? I never read them except when in a doctor's office. I can't believe PW could have gotten away with such an affront to women without having gotten beaten up badly by sister publications. --Bob G. From jbalizsprince Wed Apr 28 14:02:33 2010 From: jbalizsprince (Judy Prince) Date: Wed Apr 28 14:02:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] male issue In-Reply-To: References: <414518.37908.qm@web45611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, I chuckled again at the "ManPo" title. I appreciate your response which, considering the topic, is delightfully concise. It reads, in parts, like a poem. It's also all tucked in with provocative challenges for us as writers. You mention, for example, that we're in an age which values short attention spans. I think, though, that our full dip into electronic media has aided us in cutting out the oft-boring, oft-extraneous communiques and presentations we previously had to accept, whether in the name of entertainment (e.g., adverted television programs sans cable choices or hard copy books, in contrast to online books or Kindle), for social communication (letters and phone calls, in contrast to emails and texting), or for learning (lectures and libraries, in contrast to emails, interactive online classes, and web research). Some folks say we have more information to process in this age; others say we have as much information but less patience in admitting it into our consciousness. My jury's out on this and related issues, and I welcome your response as well as others'. Best, Judy On 27 April 2010 16:45, David Baratier wrote: > When you edit a journal for long enough > any form of cohesion seems acceptable > any theme will do, any tied together > > We live in an age where the short attention span is valued > therefore we should cut forth commentary and listening > just to appease the general lack of audience. > > > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > --- On *Fri, 4/23/10, Judy Prince * wrote: > > > From: Judy Prince > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] male issue > To: editor at pavementsaw.org, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:25 PM > > > That's a hoot, David! (I mean the title of the issue "Man Po"). > > Why did you stop partway thru the interviews? > > BTW, I also had an all male issue: his name's Christopher and he's not a > poet. > > Best, > > Judy > > On 23 April 2010 19:10, David Baratier > > wrote: > >> We had an all male issue some years back, #8, the Man Po. >> >> It was an all male-author unfinished-interview issue >> in which I interviewed various poets, many famous ones >> including the (then) poet Laureate of Canada, >> and partway through each interview I would stop. >> >> Do I win something? >> >> >> Be well >> >> David Baratier, Editor >> >> Pavement Saw Press >> 321 Empire Street >> Montpelier OH 43543 >> http://pavementsaw.org >> >> Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at >> http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCB55B942E42F3-B1C-90AC@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> I bought the Muriel Rukeyser chap essay dealing with Darwin. It was good. I intend to read more in this series... -----Original Message----- From: Bozicevic, Ana To: Bozicevic, Ana Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:40 pm Subject: Now available: Lost & Found: The CUNY Poetics Document Initiative chapbooks! Dear Friend, We are delighted to announce the publication of the inaugural chapbook series in Lost & Found: The CUNY Poetics Document Initiative. Attached and below find the official Press Release and an order form. You may have attended our prepublication party or heard of the project through the grapevine; now the books are available for purchase via mail and online at http://www.centerforthehumanitiesgc.org/lostandfound where they are on sale for $10 per issue, $35 per set, and $25 per subscription. On Monday and Tuesday, May 3rd and 4th, 10 a.m.?8 p.m., the set of chapbooks will also be available for purchase at the Center for Humanities? Annual Chapbook Festival. Look for the Lost & Found table. More information and a schedule for the festival are available at http://www.chapbookfestival.org. Thank you for your support ? we hope you enjoy the books! Ammiel Alcalay, General Editor Aoibheann Sweeney, Director of the Center for the Humanities ### PRESS CONTACT: The Center for the Humanities 212.817.2005 abozicevic at gc.cuny.edu April 28, 2010 For Immediate release: Printed in elegant, stapled editions, the inaugural chapbook series of Lost & Found: The CUNY Poetics Document Initiative activates and puts into wider circulation important but little known texts drawn from personal and institutional archives. An ongoing publication project emerging from archival and textual scholarship done by students, faculty and guest fellows at the Graduate Center, the primary focus of Lost & Found is on writers who fall under the rubric of the New American Poetry. Since enhanced accessibility to a broad spectrum of archival material helps create alternative, divergent and enriched versions of literary and cultural history, the Lost & Found initiative takes the ?New American? rubric writ large, including the affiliated and unaffiliated, precursors and followers. The first set includes correspondence, essays, and journal selections: Amiri Baraka & Edward Dorn: Selections from the Collected Letters 1959-1960, ed. Claudia Moreno Pisano, includes letters written between 1959 and 1960 and covers a wide-range of discussions, ?from quotidian observations of being snowbound without enough heat...to the hashing out of experiences, fears, and anxieties directly related to the socio-political culture of the early 1960s?. The Correspondence of Kenneth Koch & Frank O?Hara 1955-1956, Part I and II, ed. Josh Schneiderman, includes ?letters [...] written over an eighteen-month period from 1955 to 1956 [that] provide an account of the poets? important, if often overlooked, friendship. Full of poems, literary gossip, and nods to artistic influences, Koch and O?Hara?s correspondence also chronicles a key moment in what would come to be known as the New York School of poets?. Darwin & The Writers, Muriel Rukeyser, ed. Stefania Heim, is an unpublished essay about Darwin (rejected by The Nation in 1959). ?The piece is an exercise in the discovery, collection, and exposition of ?meeting-places? between scientific and literary imaginations, extending the intellectual work Rukeyser started in works like Willard Gibbs and The Life of Poetry.? 1957-1977 Selections from the Journals Part I and II, Philip Whalen, ed. Brian Unger, is comprised of entries from Whalen?s Journals from two key periods in his life: the mid to late 1950s following the public recognition of the Beats, and the early 1970s, after his return from Japan and his decision to live in a Zen monastery. The 1963 Vancouver Poetry Conference / Robert Creeley?s Contexts of Poetry, with Daphne Marlatt?s Journal Entries, ed. Ammiel Alcalay, is a Creeley lecture and conversation with Allen Ginsberg. Contexts of Poetry is from the landmark 1963 Vancouver Poetry Conference, with excerpts from the journals of the prominent Canadian poet Daphne Marlatt, chronicling her attendance as a student. Together, the set marks an auspicious beginning to a project that brings the finest traditions of small press publication and textual scholarship to a broader reading public. We are delighted to announce that the chapbooks are available at bookstores across the nation, from St. Marks Books to City Lights. Books may be ordered online at www.centerforthehumanitiesgc.org/lostandfound where they are on sale for $10 per issue, $35 per set, and $25 per subscription. On Monday and Tuesday, May 3rd and 4th, 10 a.m.?8 p.m., the set of chapbooks will also be available for purchase at the Center for Humanities? Annual Chapbook Festival. Look for the Lost & Found table. 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I feel her pain in trying to get her message through. Unluckily there is only one Amy King, and a whole bunch of women [and of men, too] exploiting her work. >From my side, I do not usually take the broader perspective of women versus men or men versus women. Although I know that history is going through a major shift, my outlook on society is much more private, it takes into consideration wo/man as an entity. I am not able to talk to 'multitudes' but to the one who is inside us. To sociology I prefer philosophy, and from this perspective I expect the single human entity to face the other with respect, seriousness, and devoid of selfishness - a truly inhuman attitude, but maybe times will evolve one day. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:38 PM, amy king wrote: > > I think the dude is a young editor and likely didn't even think about it. > And being the annoying person I am, I decided to make him think about. I > guess that's intrusive. I'm not winning any popularity contests in my > attempts to point out the effects of undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. > And I also realize that I'm only focussing on the effects of one bias - > which is problematic and difficult to integrate with other considerations, > but I'm going to have to figure out how to do so. I'm writing a couple of > essays now, but by way of example, Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young focused > on gender in their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and were strongly > criticized for omitting race. I notice race a lot, who gets left, as well > as sexuality, etc. I even notice when some US-based mags publish people > from other countries bc that just doesn't happen so often. Mostly, I > realize it's the short most basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do > it to get people talking and to make them aware. This editor is young; he > can at least start thinking about what it means to be an editor and decide > what the responsibilities of that title incur. I mean, Publisher's Weekly > defense that they "just chose the best" and ended up with ten men on their > top ten list of 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a ton of > questions, even beyond 'what were their criteria'. What does this list do? > Does it actually mean anything to readers? How does such a list feed into > the capitalization of the literary arts, etc. How are they perpetuating > obvious old-school masculine rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? Are the > 'classics' always going to by written by dead white men when we enter a > classroom? And the token virginal nature lady writer? > > But I go on. I think those journals you name attempt to be a corrective > for the glaring absence of women's voices on that literary landscape. > They're not remedies by any sense of the word. They are absorbed and > mocked in most instances: all-women's magazine? Women's studies? Where > are the men's studies? Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. As though we haven't been > studying the ideas and listening to the words that men have published for > centuries. It's why domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't debate > worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and whatever other adventurous ontological > stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears perk and brains zing with the > hunt and debate of the show. Or something like that. Mixing lots of > metaphors there... > > I was listening today to James Baldwin answer "The Question" as the excerpt > is so called from an interview. He responds at one point that 'white people > need to figure out why they need a nigger.' In small part, he's responding > to this notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - no one wants that > position when that position rings of 'lesser than' inferiority. But the > *reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend much farther and deeper than > the person who gets ghettoized as a result of those earlier beliefs, > practices and continued enforcement, however aware or unaware the > perpetrators are of enforcing such positionality. Just pointing out that > there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't exist doesn't exactly fix anything. > I can point out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only when people start > really interrogating how those numbers came to be so skewed, so > disproportionate, how did so many men get all of the publishing awards and > have their books heralded and praised, etc, only then might the practices > and mentalities themselves begin to change. > > Here's the Baldwin clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE > > Amy > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark Weiss > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < > new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion > > Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone > would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much > tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. > How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of > Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by > identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? > > Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places > to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. > > Best, > > Mark > > At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: > > *WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 > * > When Issue #1 offered the work of three women (Blake Butler, Mathias > Svalina, Rachel B. Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, Carl > Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue > #2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose to obliterate any and all > female poetics completely. > > Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male > revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, > Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an > interview with Ben Marcus. > > p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the contributors??? names to > mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women???s names). Now that > is WAC! > > > My response (updated) -- > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ > > Contributor responds -- > http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of > California Press). > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of > Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively > broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also > created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing > else like it." 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As physician/poet Rafael Campo wrote:* *"Poetry defies the restrictive and segregated version of the postmodernist notion of genre, which held that the form of any narrative takes actually molds or shapes experience in order to contain it." 2* Peter Pereira's book of poems, "What's Written on the Body": http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Poetica/blog-3.htm -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll keep you posted. ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini I answered the last message yesterday [the absurdly busy I am], since it was the only one I read of the thread, hoping it might contain a summary of them all. I am just writing to say that I totally agree with Amy. I feel her pain in trying to get her message through. Unluckily there is only one Amy King, and a whole bunch of women [and of men, too] exploiting her work. From amyhappens Thu Apr 29 07:46:41 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 29 07:46:41 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] One more time... [plus major linkage] Message-ID: <880712.4033.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sina Queryas has never written a word about my work nor are we friends (though she did read for me once several years ago). I don't even correspond with her. I posted a call to vote for her blogging because I really think she contributes, on her blog and at Poetry Foundation, to the discussion of literature, especially poetry.Voting ends tonight. The voting resets every 24 hours, so you can vote again if you have a mind to and think Sina's blogging might be worthy of the title-at-hand: http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html ~~ Also, I posted links of interest periodically. The latest -- http://lemonhound.blogspot.com/ Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/a726f0ed/attachment.html From amyhappens Thu Apr 29 07:56:10 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 29 07:56:10 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: One more time... [plus major linkage] - Whoops! Message-ID: <845871.50035.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Here's my Major Linkage: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/major-linkage/ George Costanza ________________________________ From: amy king Sina Queryas has never written a word about my work nor are we friends (though she did read for me once several years ago). I don't even correspond with her. I posted a call to vote for her blogging because I really think she contributes, on her blog and at Poetry Foundation, to the discussion of literature, especially poetry.Voting ends tonight. The voting resets every 24 hours, so you can vote again if you have a mind to and think Sina's blogging might be worthy of the title-at-hand: http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html ~~ Also, I posted links of interest periodically. The latest -- http://lemonhound.blogspot.com/ Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The voting resets every 24 hours, so you can vote again if you have a mind to and think Sina's blogging might be worthy of the title-at-hand: http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html ~~ Also, I posted links of interest periodically. The latest -- http://lemonhound.blogspot.com/ Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/2e53d1d3/attachment-0001.html From hudson.jade Thu Apr 29 12:05:52 2010 From: hudson.jade (Jade Hudson) Date: Thu Apr 29 12:05:52 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] ToxicPoetry Exhibition 2 Message-ID: After long months spent redesigning our website and developing our own publication software we are pleased to announce the arrival of Toxic Poetry Exhibition 2. Here's a link to the exhibition page-- http://www.toxicpoetry.com/ToxicExhibition Though our new software should be more user friendly, readers might have an easier time viewing the exhibition with Firefox. If, upon opening Exhibition 2, you do not see the book, make sure you have an updated version of Adobe Reader (A link should be on the page itself). We are currently republishing Exhibition 1 with our own software. It should be available soon. If you attempt to open ToxicPoetry.com (the website), you might need to re-type the URL-- we've redesigned the site in HTML and the older links might not work. Here is a direct link to ToxicPoetry.com for your convenience-- www.toxicpoetry.com Many thanks to our awesome contributors. The quality of the art we receive is what drives us to continue this endeavor. Moreover, we are honored by those who have already considered or are soon to consider us as a venue for their experimental sound or mp3 poetry. Toxic Toasts, Jade Hudson - Toxic Co-Editor and Webmaster Nathan Kinsman- Toxic Co-Editor and E-Book Tech -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/bc2669d5/attachment.html From amyhappens Thu Apr 29 20:19:15 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 29 20:19:15 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... Message-ID: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But poem or no, Sina deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and thanks lots! http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/982325e7/attachment.html From amyhappens Thu Apr 29 20:52:12 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 29 20:52:12 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] OT: Voting called quits! Message-ID: <991895.30099.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> They just called it a tie. The dude who runs it got tired: http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere-2010-a-tie.html Thanks to all who voted! You rock and your support is appreciated! Off to make up interview questions for the Ron P. man! G'night all, Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/c49d52e9/attachment.html From amyhappens Thu Apr 29 21:03:32 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:03:32 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thank you, SPD. Message-ID: <120172.57961.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bypass the corporations: Slaves to Do These Things is now available through Small Press Distribution! http://www.spdbooks.org/Producte/9781935402312/slaves-to-do-these-things.aspx Amy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100429/91734dec/attachment.html From chris Thu Apr 29 22:15:41 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Thu Apr 29 22:15:41 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... In-Reply-To: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You make it sound like Brewer receiving pay for blogging is a horrible thing or something. Do you need to run him down in order to run Sina up? c On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, amy king wrote: > Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very > large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 > followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during > her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. > She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. > Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me > know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want > such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But poem or no, Sina > deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and > thanks lots! > http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html > Amy > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini Fri Apr 30 02:22:20 2010 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri Apr 30 02:22:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion In-Reply-To: <534393.3397.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <17495.25466.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <16742.82008.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <534393.3397.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great Amy! I will look forward to it, and congratulations for your courage, Anny On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:37 PM, amy king wrote: > > Thank you, Anny! I don't think any of it's simple, which is the problem > with ages-old dyed-in-the-wool beliefs about masculinity/femininity. As > noted, I don't have the answers, but if the questions aren't asked, then we > just go on doing the same things mostly. I've been absent from this convo > here because I was doing an exchange with two editors from HTMLGIANT and > another writer about this very topic. That exchange will appear shortly on > HTMLGIANT in a few parts. I'll keep you posted. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > > I answered the last message yesterday [the absurdly busy I am], since it > was the only one I read of the thread, hoping it might contain a summary of > them all. I am just writing to say that I totally agree with Amy. I feel her > pain in trying to get her message through. Unluckily there is only one Amy > King, and a whole bunch of women [and of men, too] exploiting her work. > > From my side, I do not usually take the broader perspective of women versus > men or men versus women. Although I know that history is going through a > major shift, my outlook on society is much more private, it takes into > consideration wo/man as an entity. I am not able to talk to 'multitudes' but > to the one who is inside us. To sociology I prefer philosophy, and from this > perspective I expect the single human entity to face the other with respect, > seriousness, and devoid of selfishness - a truly inhuman attitude, but maybe > times will evolve one day. > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:38 PM, amy king wrote: > >> >> I think the dude is a young editor and likely didn't even think about it. >> And being the annoying person I am, I decided to make him think about. I >> guess that's intrusive. I'm not winning any popularity contests in my >> attempts to point out the effects of undiagnosed, unexamined sexist bias. >> And I also realize that I'm only focussing on the effects of one bias - >> which is problematic and difficult to integrate with other considerations, >> but I'm going to have to figure out how to do so. I'm writing a couple of >> essays now, but by way of example, Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young focused >> on gender in their study and report, "Numbers Trouble" and were strongly >> criticized for omitting race. I notice race a lot, who gets left, as well >> as sexuality, etc. I even notice when some US-based mags publish people >> from other countries bc that just doesn't happen so often. Mostly, I >> realize it's the short most basic way to point out sexism, but I guess I do >> it to get people talking and to make them aware. This editor is young; he >> can at least start thinking about what it means to be an editor and decide >> what the responsibilities of that title incur. I mean, Publisher's Weekly >> defense that they "just chose the best" and ended up with ten men on their >> top ten list of 2009 carries all sorts of weight and implies a ton of >> questions, even beyond 'what were their criteria'. What does this list do? >> Does it actually mean anything to readers? How does such a list feed into >> the capitalization of the literary arts, etc. How are they perpetuating >> obvious old-school masculine rhetoric/style/voice/viewpoint, etc? Are the >> 'classics' always going to by written by dead white men when we enter a >> classroom? And the token virginal nature lady writer? >> >> But I go on. I think those journals you name attempt to be a corrective >> for the glaring absence of women's voices on that literary landscape. >> They're not remedies by any sense of the word. They are absorbed and >> mocked in most instances: all-women's magazine? Women's studies? Where >> are the men's studies? Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. As though we haven't been >> studying the ideas and listening to the words that men have published for >> centuries. It's why domestic work doesn't strike a chord and isn't debate >> worthy the way Pound and Oedipus and whatever other adventurous ontological >> stories/poems/treaties you may cite make ears perk and brains zing with the >> hunt and debate of the show. Or something like that. Mixing lots of >> metaphors there... >> >> I was listening today to James Baldwin answer "The Question" as the >> excerpt is so called from an interview. He responds at one point that >> 'white people need to figure out why they need a nigger.' In small part, >> he's responding to this notion that anyone would want to be ghettoized - no >> one wants that position when that position rings of 'lesser than' >> inferiority. But the *reasons* one might even be ghettoized extend much >> farther and deeper than the person who gets ghettoized as a result of those >> earlier beliefs, practices and continued enforcement, however aware or >> unaware the perpetrators are of enforcing such positionality. Just pointing >> out that there's a ghetto and that it shouldn't exist doesn't exactly fix >> anything. I can point out numbers all I want, but ultimately, only when >> people start really interrogating how those numbers came to be so skewed, so >> disproportionate, how did so many men get all of the publishing awards and >> have their books heralded and praised, etc, only then might the practices >> and mentalities themselves begin to change. >> >> Here's the Baldwin clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjaqhuSqQE >> >> Amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mark Weiss >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < >> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Thu, April 22, 2010 6:16:23 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] We Are Champion >> >> Almost inconceivable that this could happen by accident (or that someone >> would call a journal WAC). Got me thinking. I doubt that there'd be much >> tolerance of a journal that actually declared itself an all-male precinct. >> How do you feel about Calyx, How2, Kalliope, PMS, and Women's Review of >> Books, which do declare their bias? What about other journals defined by >> identity, like Ingathering and Callaloo? >> >> Most of these are very fine, and fortunately there's no shortage of places >> to publish, but the wider issue might be fun to talk about. >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> At 05:56 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote: >> >> *WAC Poetry Magazine Issue #2 >> * >> When Issue #1 offered the work of three women (Blake Butler, Mathias >> Svalina, Rachel B. Glaser, Ally Harris, Adam Robinson, Jonathan Papas, Carl >> Annarummo, A. Minetta Gould, Christopher Higgs, Giancarlo Ditrapano), Issue >> #2 of ???We Are Champion??? got pissed and chose to obliterate any and all >> female poetics completely. >> >> Issue #2 of ???We Are Champion??? now stars the All ? Live, All- Male >> revue: Jimmy Chen, Chris Oklum, MMike Young, Ben Mirov, Joseph Goosey, >> Tyler Flynn Dorholt, Miguel Morales, Mark Leidner, Reynard Seifert, and an >> interview with Ben Marcus. >> >> p.s. The We Are Champs??? editor has changed the contributors??? names to >> mislead & protect the innocent (of course, into women???s names). Now that >> is WAC! >> >> >> My response (updated) -- >> http://amyking.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/im-just-being-a-bitch-again/ >> >> Contributor responds -- >> http://mikeayoung.blogspot.com/2010/04/theres-first-for-every-flugelhorn.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> Announcing *The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry* (University of >> California Press). >> http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland >> >> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's *Random House Book of >> Twentieth Century French Poetry* has a bilingual anthology so effectively >> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also >> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing >> else like it." John Palattella in *The Nation* >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? > Giovenale > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ? Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae ? Giovenale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/b84ebe89/attachment.html From amyhappens Fri Apr 30 04:42:20 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 30 04:42:20 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... In-Reply-To: References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534211.32746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What kind of characterization is that? He has the huge advantage of a built-in audience since he gets paid to blog daily with a group of other paid bloggers - I asked listserv people to consider voting for Sina based on her blogging, hence an advantage I was trying to cull. Made no bones about it, even mocked my own transparency. Where did I "run him down"? Is he now bloody? Toothless? Slandered? Why is pointing out his immense advantage over Sina "running him down"? Or am I missing something? ________________________________ From: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:13:07 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... You make it sound like Brewer receiving pay for blogging is a horrible thing or something. Do you need to run him down in order to run Sina up? c On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, amy king wrote: > Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very > large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 > followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during > her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. > She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. > Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me > know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want > such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But poem or no, Sina > deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and > thanks lots! > http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html > Amy > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/483e7567/attachment.html From chris Fri Apr 30 07:47:16 2010 From: chris (Chris Lott) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:47:16 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... In-Reply-To: <534211.32746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <534211.32746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm trying to figure out what being paid or not has to do with anything. I find it hard to believe you are that unaware of your tone. Why not base your assessment of BOTH of them on their blogging and contributions? c On Friday, April 30, 2010, amy king wrote: > What kind of characterization is that? ?He has the huge advantage of a built-in audience since he gets paid to blog daily with a group of other paid bloggers - I asked listserv people to consider voting for Sina based on her blogging, hence an advantage I was trying to cull. ?Made no bones about it, even mocked my own transparency. ?Where did I "run him down"? ?Is he now bloody? ?Toothless? ?Slandered? ?Why is pointing out his immense advantage over Sina "running him down"? ?Or am I missing > something? > > From: Chris Lott > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:13:07 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... > > You make it sound like Brewer receiving pay for blogging is a horrible > thing or something. Do you need to run him down in order to run Sina > up? > > c > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, amy king wrote: >> Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very >> large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 >> followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during >> her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. >> She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. >> Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me >> know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want >> such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But > poem or no, Sina >> deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and >> thanks lots! >> http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html >> Amy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > From grahamd Fri Apr 30 08:25:54 2010 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:25:54 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Simic says poetry is OK Message-ID: "Confessions of a Poet Laureate": http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/apr/27/confessions-of-a-poet-laureate/ From bobgrumman Fri Apr 30 09:07:44 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:07:44 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Latest Issue of Pedestal In-Reply-To: References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><534211.3 2746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BDB0066.1010905@nut-n-but.net> I've been ailing, so am not sure I posted this address: http://www.thepedestalmagazine.com It should get you to the latest issue of The Pedestal, and a gallery of works I guest-edited with John M. Bennett. I consider them mostly textual designs, John and most others in our field consider them visual poems. They're all interesting, and I have an old visual poem of mine there, too. Amy can attack the fact that only two women are among the twelve with work in our gallery. The fact of the matter, though, is that very few women are seriously involved in visual poetry. Only a few submitted to The Pedestal. --Bob From amyhappens Fri Apr 30 09:08:25 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:08:25 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... In-Reply-To: References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <534211.32746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <983233.43738.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Chris, I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you really want me to break the obvious down. Or is my blatant campaigning simply too un-ladylike for you? Too "aggressive"? Would another guy simply be campaigning? My grandma tried to turn me into a proper southern belle, but on the other side of Sunday, Grandpa was turning out a tomboy (too much tree climbing and fishing!), which breeds women who think they have permission to stomp for a candidate, should that be the case-at-hand. Let's see: my tone? Since you're confused, let's really dissect my request for votes for Sina. I see Sina is at a disadvantage in terms of campaigning for herself against the front runner. I point out that disadvantage, which I'll do again for clarity's sake, for it is an advantage --- he works for an organization of several bloggers who, like him, spend their days blogging because they earn their livings that way. (Those fellow bloggers posted calls to vote for him too - they were campaigning for him, in other words.) Did I say something was wrong with getting paid to blog? Anywhere at all? Show me the slander, please. Show me where he has been "run down," I implore you. Or is pointing out an advantage too 'aggressive' and not complicit with a proper ladylike tone? But onward: it certainly is an advantage in this particular contest to earn one's living spending the days blogging, gather more readers, etc, as well as tapping into that conglomerate of fellow co-working bloggers. Is it wrong to say where Ross Perot or George Bush have certain advantages that amount to numbers-appeal over the likes of presidential candidates Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader? We should just not note any of that, for the sake of how pure the process of campaigning really is? I hope you're still able to follow my line of thinking here; I'm trying to be clear. So his group of daily bloggers ask their 43,000 readers on Twitter to head on over and vote for him. I decide, Hey, Sina needs an advantage because she's a good blogger too; she has a regular job and doesn't get paid to blog daily. I like what she blogs about and want to campaign for her. She merits such a title in my estimation, comparatively. Oh sorry, caveat required: in my 'humble' estimation. I know a lot of listserv members; I'll ask them to vote for Sina. Implicit in my call is an assumption that readers are a pretty sophisticated bunch. I assume that you'll either a) Trust my assessment and take my word that Sina is a good blogger of literature or b) You'll investigate and decide for yourself. No slander was committed. No "running over" anyone. I called myself out on the obvious transparency of trying to cull more readers for Sina and, in turn, votes based on her merit. Now that I've spent time explaining how I don't think I decimated the guy by pointing out an advantage, feel free to tell me where I "ran him down." I engaged in old fashioned campaigning, with special attention to how obvious I was being in such stomping. I hope the other guy's public persona isn't harmed too much by my pointing out the public record; he's lucky you stepped up to defend his character! Now let's talk about your characterizations. Implicit in your "run him down" comment and pointing out my "tone" (god, reminds me of Grandma's attempts to condition me into a sweet southern lady) is the criticism that I have attempted to bludgeon the guy or, at the very least, did something aggressive somehow. And you know, in turn, since Grandma wasn't successful at getting me to be modest or to obey the "Pretty is as pretty does" ethos (her daily mantra), I have somehow infringed on the womanly role assigned to the fairer sex I was born into. I "ran him down." Ouch, he really seems slandered by my tone. I say: Policing the 'fairer sex' is as old fashioned as the hills. Why this fight, Chris? The guy was actually harmed in me pointing out his advantage? I didn't explicate my campaigning clearly enough for you? Or did I just overstep my womanly role? Amy ________________________________ From: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 9:44:47 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... I'm trying to figure out what being paid or not has to do with anything. I find it hard to believe you are that unaware of your tone. Why not base your assessment of BOTH of them on their blogging and contributions? c On Friday, April 30, 2010, amy king wrote: > What kind of characterization is that? He has the huge advantage of a built-in audience since he gets paid to blog daily with a group of other paid bloggers - I asked listserv people to consider voting for Sina based on her blogging, hence an advantage I was trying to cull. Made no bones about it, even mocked my own transparency. Where did I "run him down"? Is he now bloody? Toothless? Slandered? Why is pointing out his immense advantage over Sina "running him down"? Or am I missing > something? > > From: Chris Lott > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:13:07 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... > > You make it sound like Brewer receiving pay for blogging is a horrible > thing or something. Do you need to run him down in order to run Sina > up? > > c > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, amy king wrote: >> Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very >> large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 >> followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during >> her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. >> She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. >> Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me >> know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want >> such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But > poem or no, Sina >> deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and >> thanks lots! >> http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html >> Amy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Congrats on the issue, Amy ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:08:06 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] The Latest Issue of Pedestal I've been ailing, so am not sure I posted this address: http://www.thepedestalmagazine.com It should get you to the latest issue of The Pedestal, and a gallery of works I guest-edited with John M. Bennett. I consider them mostly textual designs, John and most others in our field consider them visual poems. They're all interesting, and I have an old visual poem of mine there, too. Amy can attack the fact that only two women are among the twelve with work in our gallery. The fact of the matter, though, is that very few women are seriously involved in visual poetry. Only a few submitted to The Pedestal. --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/67ac878b/attachment.html From amyhappens Fri Apr 30 09:36:27 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:36:27 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] TONIGHT - Friday, April 30th @ 7 p.m. Sandy Florian, Lara Glenum, Lesley Jenike, Saeed Jones, Metta Sama & Tom Sleigh! Message-ID: <913076.27186.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sandy Florian, Lara Glenum, Lesley Jenike, Saeed Jones, Metta Sama & Tom Sleigh! Friday, April 30 @ 7 p.m. Goodbye Blue Monday Edge-of-Williamsburg = Bushwick, Brooklyn http://stainofpoetry.com Sandy Florian is the author of Telescope (Action Books), 32 Pedals & 47 Stops (Tarpaulin Sky), The Tree of No (Action Books), Prelude to Air From Water (Elixir Press), and On Wonderland & Waste (Sidebrow Press). She lives in San Francisco where she is an affiliate artist at Headlands Center for the Arts and works as one of the ?other? editors for Tarpaulin Sky Journal. For more information, visit her blog at http://boxingthecompass.blogspot.com ~ Lara Glenum is a poet, scholar, and translator. She is the author of two books of poetry: The Hounds of No (Action Books, 2005) and Maximum Gaga (Action Books, 2009). Her chapbook, The Hotling Chronicles, is due out from Tarpaulin Sky later this year. With Arielle Greenberg, she is the co-editor of Gurlesque, an anthology of contemporary women?s poetry and visual art (Saturnalia Books, 2010). She has recently been collaborating with sound, visual, and digital media artists on Meat Out of the Eater [hyperlink: http://vimeo.com/7215889], a multimedia installation. She teaches in the MFA program in Creative Writing at LSU. ~ Lesley Jenike is the author of Ghost of Fashion (CustomWords, 2009). She is a native of Cincinnati, OH and received her doctorate from the University of Cincinnati in 2008. Her poems have appeared in POOL, Court Green, Brooklyn Review, Gulf Coast, Sou?Wester, Verse, Alaska Quarterly Review, Forklift, Ohio, Washington Square, Crab Orchard Review, and others. She?s currently Assistant Professor of English at Columbus College of Art and Design. ~ Saeed Jones is currently completing his MFA in Creative Writing at Rutgers University ? Newark. He?s a graduate of Western Kentucky University where he won the Jim Wayne Miller Award for Poetry. While at Western, he was the poetry editor for Rise Over Run Magazine. His work has appeared or is forthcoming in publications like StorySouth, Barnwood Magazine, Splinter Generation, The Adirondack Review, Mary, and Ganymede. He blogs regularly at saeedjones.wordpress.com ~ Metta Sama says: I am a poet, professor, activist, painter, collage artist, fiction and essay writer. My poetry, currently, looks at instabilities in writings by persons subjected to various forms of oppression. I am interested in the joy of making and creating art and stories and images that will, eventually, disintegrate, return to the source it came from. I question what it means to make thoughts, ideas, & feelings stable, to devote oneself to immortality. My work has appeared in Proud Flesh Journal, The Drunken Boat, Blackbird, Paterson Literary Review, Yellow Medicine Review, Crab Orchard, and other journals, & I am the author of one published collection of poems. ~ Tom Sleigh?s most recent book of poetry, Space Walk (Houghton Mifflin, 2007), won the 2008 Kingsley Tufts Award. His book of essays, Interview with a Ghost, was published by Graywolf Press in 2006. He has also published After One, Waking, The Chain, The Dreamhouse, Far Side of the Earth, Bula Matari/Smasher of Rocks, and a translation of Euripides? Herakles. He has won the Shelley Prize from the PSA, and grants from the Lila Wallace Fund, American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Guggenheim and NEA. His new book, Army Cats, is forthcoming in spring, 2011, from Graywolf Press. He teaches in the MFA Program at Hunter College. at Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 Broadway (corner of Dodworth St) Brooklyn, NY 11221-3013 (718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Ave or J train to Kosciusko St ~ Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? http://amyking.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/20ce54e7/attachment.html From amyhappens Fri Apr 30 09:43:23 2010 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:43:23 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] POET-EDITOR issue up at Otoliths...and Poetry Foundation! Message-ID: <956386.92053.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >From OTOLITHS EDITOR MARK YOUNG: Issue #17 of Otoliths, the southern autumn, 2010 issue, has just gone live. Four years old today! &, since it's also May Day, I was going to have Billy Bragg singing "The Internationale" as background?you can, if you've got a server that opens links in a new window, still have it: just click on the link?but there's enough in this issue to allow an unaccompanied announcement. As befits a 4th birthday issue, it's a bit more packed than normal. In addition to the usual broad selection of paintings, prose, photographs, sermons, assemblages, poetry of all shapes, sizes, & styles, &, as always, a large offering of vizpo, the issue also includes two special features; one of which, since it was to have been a complete issue of another journal which has, unfortunately, gone into hiatus, is actually magazine-sized. In the standard part of the issue you'll find work by Michael Farrell, Marilyn R. Rosenberg , Eric Arnold, Jim McCrary, Reed Altemus, Adam Fieled, Bob Heman, Tim Wright, Samit Roy, Caleb Puckett, Charles Freeland, gustave morin, dan raphael, Philip Byron Oakes, Dorothee Lang & Karyn Eisler & Susan Gibb, Sam Langer, Geof Huth, Esa M?kij?rvi, Scott Metz, Andrew McEwan, Felino Soriano, Travis Macdonald, Paul Siegell, Alan Davies, Kirsten Kaschock, Raymond Farr, John M. Bennett, John M. Bennett & Sheila E. Murphy, Jeff Harrison, Letitia Trent, Michelle Cahill, Valery Oisteanu, Irving Weiss, Martin Edmond, Carlos Soto Rom?n, Jim Meirose, SJ Fowler, Felipe Cussen, Grzegorz Wr?blewski, James Mc Laughlin, Michael Steven, Arkava Das, Michael Caylo-Baradi, J. D. Nelson, Jal Nicholl, Jenny Enochsson, Joe Balaz, Glenn R. Frantz, Michael Brandonisio, Jon Curley & Gg Re, sean burn, Bobbi Lurie, Jeff Klooger, Richard Kostelanetz, Silvio De Gracia, David-Baptiste Chirot, Alexander Jorgensen, Anne Gorrick, John Moore Williams, Marcia Arrieta, Mara Patricia Hernandez, Bill Drennan, nick-e melville, Corey Wakeling, John Martone, Jessie Janeshek, Thomas Fink (reviewing David Lehman's Yeshiva Boys), & Emma Smith. The first special feature is ROCKPILE on the road, with poems by Michael Rothenberg & David Meltzer, photos by Terri Carri?n, & an introduction by Larry Sawyer. The second special feature is Poet-Editors, curated & introduced by Eileen R. Tabios. 43 poet-editors respond to the question: "What is (or has been) your favorite editing project and why?" The respondees, who also provide?sometimes quite extensive?samples of their work, are: William Allegrezza, Ivy Alvarez, Anny Ballardini, Joi Barrios, John Bloomberg-Rissman, Ana Bo?i?evi?, Garrett Caples, Brian Clements, Bruce Covey, Del Ray Cross, Patrick James Dunagan, Elaine Equi, Adam Fieled, Thomas Fink, Luis H. Francia, Geoffrey Gatza, Tim Gaze, Crg Hill, Aileen Ibardaloza, Vincent Katz, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen, Burt Kimmelman, Mark Lamoureux, Amanda Laughtland, Timothy Liu, Dana Teen Lomax, Joey Madia, Sandy McIntosh, Didi Menendez, Lars Palm, Guillermo Parra, Ernesto Priego, Sam Rasnake, Barbara Jane Reyes, Christopher Rizzo, Patrick Rosal, Sarah Rosenthal, Susan M. Schultz, Logan Ryan Smith, Jill Stengel, Fiona Sze-Lorrain, Jean Vengua, & Mark Young. & if that isn't enough, the print parts of the previous issue of Otoliths, the southern summer 2010 issue, are now available from The Otoliths Storefront. http://the-otolith.blogspot.com/2010/04/poeteditorsi-contents.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/7bca2210/attachment.html From bobgrumman Fri Apr 30 10:24:33 2010 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:24:33 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Latest Issue of Pedestal In-Reply-To: <714569.36788.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><534211.3 2746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4BDB0066.1010905@nut-n-but .net> <714569.36788.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BDB1262.7090909@nut-n-but.net> amy king wrote: > I'm here to attack. Oh so aggressive beast, am I. Somebody tame me, > please! I must warn you though, I'm pretty agile. And I plan on > getting a gun, so the window of opportunity is limited. > > Actually Bob, obviously it's the women's fault they don't appear in > the Pedestal. If they don't submit their work, what can you do? You > tell us, Bob! Speak that truth! Get people like you to use your influence to get more women involved with visual poetry, naturally! > > Congrats on the issue, Thanks, Amy.. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/bb7be449/attachment.html From Opus40-01 Fri Apr 30 12:09:31 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Fri Apr 30 12:09:31 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Simic says poetry is OK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDB1C47.6020409@opus40.org> I loved this whole essay. David Graham wrote: > "Confessions of a Poet Laureate": > > http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/apr/27/confessions-of-a-poet-laureate/ > > > From the end of Charles Simic's article: > > Over the years, I had read too many essays by literary critics and > even poets, which proclaimed confidently that poetry is universally > despised and read by practically no one in United States. I recall my > literature students rolling their eyes when I asked them if they liked > poetry, or my old high school friends becoming genuinely alarmed upon > learning that I still did. Patriotic, sentimental and greeting card > verse has always been tolerated, but the kind of stuff modern poets > write allegedly offends every one of those ?real Americans? Sarah > Palin kept praising in the last election. > > During the time I served as the poet laureate, however, I found this > not to be true. In a country in which schools seem to teach less > literature every year, where fewer people read books and ignorance > reigns supreme regarding most issues, poetry is read and written more > than ever. Anyone who doesn?t believe me ought to take a peek at > what?s available on the web. Who are these people who seem determined > to copy almost every poem ever written in the language? Where do they > find the time to do it? No wonder we have such a large divorce rate in > this country. I won?t even describe the thousands of blogs > , the on-line poetry magazines > , both serious ones > and the ones where anyone can post > a poem their eight-year daughter wrote about the death of her goldfish > . People who kept after > me with their constant emails and letters were part of that world. > They wanted me to announce what I propose to do to make poetry even > more popular in United States. Unlike my predecessors who had a lot of > clever ideas, like having a poetry anthology next to the Gideon Bible > in every motel room in America (Joseph Brodsky), or urging daily > newspapers to print poems (Robert Pinsky), I felt things were just > fine. As far as I could see, there was more poetry being read and > written than at any time in our history. > > The obvious next question is how much of it is any good? More than one > would ever imagine. America may be going to hell in every other way > , > but fine poems continue to be written now and then. Still, if poetry > is being written and being read now more than ever, it must be because > it fulfills a profound need. Where else but in poems would these > Americans, who unlike their neighbors seem unwilling to seek salvation > in church, convey their human predicament? Where else would they find > a community of likeminded souls who care about something Emily > Dickinson or Billy Collins has written? If I were asked to sum up my > experience as the poet laureate, I would say, there?s nothing more > interesting or more hopeful about America than its poetry. > > --Charles Simic > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.me.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.me.com/drjazz/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 Fri Apr 30 13:00:41 2010 From: Opus40-01 (TheOldMole) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:00:41 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetz Message-ID: <4BDB2848.90501@opus40.org> www.poetz.com, created and curated by Jackie Sheeler, has undergone a facelift and is back online. It's a great site, featuring complete calendars of poetry events in New York City and elsewhere. Along with lots more. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames Fri Apr 30 18:20:19 2010 From: jforjames (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 30 18:20:19 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Giovanni bequeaths copyrights to Virginia Tech Message-ID: <8CCB6DAD930F3AD-164-1D4D@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Poet Nikki Giovanni bequeaths copyrights to Virginia Tech http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043000974.html By Associated Press Friday, April 30, 2010; 8:50 AM Poet and activist Nikki Giovanni plans to turn over her copyrights to Virginia Tech after her death. President Charles Steger said Thursday that Giovanni and Virginia Fowler, both English professors at Virginia Tech, have pledged a joint donation to the school's $1 billion capital campaign that includes copyrights to Giovanni's literary works. The joint gift includes an $800,000 bequest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20100430/8627b632/attachment.html From jjeffreymail Fri Apr 30 18:23:44 2010 From: jjeffreymail (John Jeffrey) Date: Fri Apr 30 18:23:44 2010 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... In-Reply-To: <983233.43738.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <48173.27024.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <534211.32746.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <983233.43738.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <951307.50624.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I voted for neither Sina nor "the guy" since they both had the advantage of someone stumping strangers to vote for them. So I voted for some poor sap who only had a couple votes to their name. Male or female? I don't know, I couldn't tell by the first name, and, oh yeah, it doesn't freakin' matter. John J ________________________________ From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 11:05:55 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... Chris, I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you really want me to break the obvious down. Or is my blatant campaigning simply too un-ladylike for you? Too "aggressive"? Would another guy simply be campaigning? My grandma tried to turn me into a proper southern belle, but on the other side of Sunday, Grandpa was turning out a tomboy (too much tree climbing and fishing!), which breeds women who think they have permission to stomp for a candidate, should that be the case-at-hand. Let's see: my tone? Since you're confused, let's really dissect my request for votes for Sina. I see Sina is at a disadvantage in terms of campaigning for herself against the front runner. I point out that disadvantage, which I'll do again for clarity's sake, for it is an advantage --- he works for an organization of several bloggers who, like him, spend their days blogging because they earn their livings that way. (Those fellow bloggers posted calls to vote for him too - they were campaigning for him, in other words.) Did I say something was wrong with getting paid to blog? Anywhere at all? Show me the slander, please. Show me where he has been "run down," I implore you. Or is pointing out an advantage too 'aggressive' and not complicit with a proper ladylike tone? But onward: it certainly is an advantage in this particular contest to earn one's living spending the days blogging, gather more readers, etc, as well as tapping into that conglomerate of fellow co-working bloggers. Is it wrong to say where Ross Perot or George Bush have certain advantages that amount to numbers-appeal over the likes of presidential candidates Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader? We should just not note any of that, for the sake of how pure the process of campaigning really is? I hope you're still able to follow my line of thinking here; I'm trying to be clear. So his group of daily bloggers ask their 43,000 readers on Twitter to head on over and vote for him. I decide, Hey, Sina needs an advantage because she's a good blogger too; she has a regular job and doesn't get paid to blog daily. I like what she blogs about and want to campaign for her. She merits such a title in my estimation, comparatively. Oh sorry, caveat required: in my 'humble' estimation. I know a lot of listserv members; I'll ask them to vote for Sina. Implicit in my call is an assumption that readers are a pretty sophisticated bunch. I assume that you'll either a) Trust my assessment and take my word that Sina is a good blogger of literature or b) You'll investigate and decide for yourself. No slander was committed. No "running over" anyone. I called myself out on the obvious transparency of trying to cull more readers for Sina and, in turn, votes based on her merit. Now that I've spent time explaining how I don't think I decimated the guy by pointing out an advantage, feel free to tell me where I "ran him down." I engaged in old fashioned campaigning, with special attention to how obvious I was being in such stomping. I hope the other guy's public persona isn't harmed too much by my pointing out the public record; he's lucky you stepped up to defend his character! Now let's talk about your characterizations. Implicit in your "run him down" comment and pointing out my "tone" (god, reminds me of Grandma's attempts to condition me into a sweet southern lady) is the criticism that I have attempted to bludgeon the guy or, at the very least, did something aggressive somehow. And you know, in turn, since Grandma wasn't successful at getting me to be modest or to obey the "Pretty is as pretty does" ethos (her daily mantra), I have somehow infringed on the womanly role assigned to the fairer sex I was born into. I "ran him down." Ouch, he really seems slandered by my tone. I say: Policing the 'fairer sex' is as old fashioned as the hills. Why this fight, Chris? The guy was actually harmed in me pointing out his advantage? I didn't explicate my campaigning clearly enough for you? Or did I just overstep my womanly role? Amy ________________________________ From: Chris Lott To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 9:44:47 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... I'm trying to figure out what being paid or not has to do with anything. I find it hard to believe you are that unaware of your tone. Why not base your assessment of BOTH of them on their blogging and contributions? c On Friday, April 30, 2010, amy king wrote: > What kind of characterization is that? He has the huge advantage of a built-in audience since he gets paid to blog daily with a group of other paid bloggers - I asked listserv people to consider voting for Sina based on her blogging, hence an advantage I was trying to cull. Made no bones about it, even mocked my own transparency. Where did I "run him down"? Is he now bloody? Toothless? Slandered? Why is pointing out his immense advantage over Sina "running him down"? Or am I missing > something? > > From: Chris Lott > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:13:07 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... > > You make it sound like Brewer receiving pay for blogging is a horrible > thing or something. Do you need to run him down in order to run Sina > up? > > c > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, amy king wrote: >> Dearest Peeps, So the guy Sina is up against is getting votes from his very >> large paid-for-blogging audience (via Twitter @writersdigest x 43,000 >> followers, no lie). He gets paid to blog there. Sina Queyras blogs during >> her own personal time about literature, esp poetry, without expecting pay. >> She's a good blogger, selfless and interesting. The voting ends at midnight. >> Please consider dropping in and clicking her name? If you do and let me >> know, I'll send you a weird-o poem for your efforts, assuming you even want >> such a thing. Yes, I'm blatantly attempting to ply you. But > poem or no, Sina >> deserves the recognition, in my humble estimation, so go there now -- and >> thanks lots! >> http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/vote-for-the-2010-poet-laureate-of-the-blogosphere.html >> Amy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which might have made you a little more familiar with things, although you can see that two are on free (albeit googleplex) space and one is on more corporate space: Here are three of the front runners. http://blog.writersdigest.com/poeticasides/ http://lemonhound.blogspot.com/ http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:21 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: > I voted for neither Sina nor "the guy" since they both had the advantage of > someone stumping strangers to vote for them. So I voted for some poor sap > who only had a couple votes to their name. Male or female? I don't know, I > couldn't tell by the first name, and, oh yeah, it doesn't freakin' matter. > > John J > > > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah, it seems the advantaged ones still get all the advantages. ________________________________ From: Catherine Daly To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 8:33:56 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dear Patrons of the Arts -- In less than two hours, plus... It would be a shame if you voted without checking the blogs which are what we are voting about. Which might have made you a little more familiar with things, although you can see that two are on free (albeit googleplex) space and one is on more corporate space: Here are three of the front runners. http://blog.writersdigest.com/poeticasides/ http://lemonhound.blogspot.com/ http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:21 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: I voted for neither Sina nor "the guy" since they both had the advantage of someone stumping strangers to vote for them. So I voted for some poor sap who only had a couple votes to their name. Male or female? 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