[New-Poetry] list history as I know it

Sun May 17 13:47:20 EDT 2009

There is the Time Machine, but it seems it does not work with the URL you
provided:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> The last time list history was visited, a person named manda said she was
> pretty much sure CAP-L was born about late fall 1994. She was fairly certain
> of the date because she'd purchased a new computer at the time, had signed
> on to the CAP-L list, and that list was just getting its legs at the time,
> as she recalled. And it's confirmed by this message:
>
> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 8, No. 0345. Monday, 5 Dec 1994.
>
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:09:36 -0600 (CST)
> From: Richard S Abowitz <abow0001 at gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Subject: Contemporary American Poetry
>
> Please note in _Humanist_:
>
> A new list, dedicated to discussing contemporary American poetry,
> has just started. To subscribe to the list (CAP-L) send your request to
> listserv at vm1.spcs.umn.edu
> The request should say SUBSCRIBE CAP-L <your name> and, if new to
> the system, <your e-mail address>.
>
> I jumped on to CAP-L around 1997 or so. I remember David, Tad and few
> others were already there. (The POETICS list, which I found about thru
> CAP-L, was already going strong at the time with a huge number of
> subscribers. British Poets List, later renamed British-Irish Poets and the
> POETRYETC list, which had a lot of Aussie subscribers, I became aware of
> shortly after that time, but those lists may have been going on for
> years before.) Annie Finch joined CAP-L in the late 1990s too...she rather
> quickly went on to found the WOMPO list (Dec. 1997). I think, in part, she
> started a women's poetry list because she wasn't entirely comfortable with
> the 'tone' of some of the male posters on the list. There were a few flame
> wars on CAP-L, but, overall, I thought the CAP-L core group was a fairly
> civil lot.
>
> Anyway, in the late 1990s into early 2000, Dawn McCarra Bass, who was
> co-founded it CAP-L with Richard Abowitz, was the listowner/manager. It
> seemed Dawn was changing jobs and locales rather frequently at the time. It
> seemed like the list went thru several listserv software changes as she
> moved around. Some conversions didn't go too smoothly and there were
> frequent problems with posts not going through, or appearing a month after
> being sent, etc.. Some people began to lose interest, and long periods
> of inactivity set in, and then the one day it seemed that CAP-L just wasn't
> there anymore. 'Dead eair', if you will.
>
> I thought it was a shame CAP-L had died out, having remembered some of the
> interesting/informative threads that had played out on the list during its
> heyday. So after about a year, I decided to try to revive the list from the
> core of the former subscribers. (I had somehow been able to copy a list of
> CAP-L subcribers before it went dark...I think it was available to all
> members.) In early 2001, I remember contacting David Graham around, and he
> said he was in favor of getting a 'new CAP-L' kicked off. He pointed me to
> VA Tech as possible host for the listserv. I contacted Len Hatfield at VA
> Tech (he's since moved on but still serves as my tech contact) and since our
> list's mission met their criteria for free hosting/services, he got us set
> up on software side. I thought it would be good to have cadre of members who
> might help keep the list lively by posting items from time to time, so
> we designated a few members as 'Contributin! g Correspondents (or
> CCs)'. Before launching the new CAP-L, not that the name CAP-L or
> Contemporary American Poetry List was proprietary or anything, but I thought
> the name still had some recognition out on the net, so I tried to get
> permission from Dawn to use it. But that didn't work out or she never got
> back to me. It was time to turn on the new list, I loaded the old emails,
> drafted a welcome message and the NewPoetry List was born on February 12,
> 2001. (7 months later we had 9-11; a month after that my daughter had her
> first bi-polar break as a freshman at Smith College). The list and life goes
> on...
>
> That means NewPoery archives from 2-2001 to 12-2004 are missing. Some CAP-L
> archives for a time were available on someone's website. But I think they're
> gone for good now. Things are supposed to last forever on the web, but
> forever is subject to crashes, mishandled conversions, and failure to pay
> your hosting fees.
> Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 1:48 am
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Curious about lack of search engine presence
>
> I was on the old CAP-L list, beginning in 1995 as I recall.  What year did
> NewPo begin?  I was one of the originals who migrated over from CAP-L as it
> sank beneath the waves. .  . .
>  1995 to 2009:  an eternity in listserv time.
>
>
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>
>  On May 16, 2009, at 2:47 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote:
>
> Here's a little query: How many people on this list started on the CAP-L
> listserv (started circa mid/late 90s)?
>
> I know a few of you were there. There is a CAP-L list now, but it stands
> for Committee for Academic Priorities, whereas the old CAP-L (its archives,
> too, lost to the e-ther, I'm afraid) stood for Contemporary American Poetry
> List.
>
> I would have used that same name for this list, but I couldn't seem to get
> an answer from the former managers (Dawn & Richard) as to whether they
> wanted to maintain control of CAP-L or if it was free for my/our use.
>
> After about a year of email silence, NewPoetry was launched from the
> remants of the CAP-L membership list that I'd saved along the way.
>
> Finnegan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Uche Ogbuji <uche at ogbuji.net>
> Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 2:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Curious about lack of search engine presence
>
> Uche Ogbuji wrote:
> > I'll work today on setting up a search-able archive/mirror for the list.
>
> I do still want to check, though, on one matter.  If the list archives
> were available to search engine crawlers, all our work/discussion/etc.,
> would of course be easier to find.  That's probably a good thing in
> general, but in case folks have been using it for a sounding board for
> poems before submitting them to a publication, I don't know if there
> would be any danger such work would be disqualified.  I'm far outside
> the poetry publishing scene, so for all I know, I'm just
> over-extrapolating from the stern warnings I've noticed on publishers'
> calls for submissions.
>
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