[New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8
Halvard Johnson
halvard at gmail.com
Thu Mar 5 14:12:17 EST 2009
Hey, get off digest mode.
Be weller.
Hal
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Baratier <editor at pavementsaw.org>wrote:
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> > 1. Re: Kindle 2 (Millicent Accardi)
> > 2. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson)
> > 3. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson)
> > 4. Re: Kindle 2 (Jeff Newberry)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:58 -0500
> > From: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9 at FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hey Jeff--
> >
> > I'm a luddite as well! No TV, no microwave.
> >
> > And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books
> > (at least not now).
> >
> > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny
> > posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and
> > commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I use it about
> > 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read regular
> > books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession)
> > has not replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little
> > shack in the canyon. It's an additional tool that, for
> > me, is surprisingly useful.
> >
> > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a
> > long commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading
> > material along, it's a great, light-weight tool.Â
> >
> > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I
> > needed for my writing project (those that were not avail
> > thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary
> > blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a bank of book
> > reviews and The New Yorker. Since in EU whisper net is
> > not available, I figured I would load up. It made my
> > trip a lot lighter! And I felt rather stocked up on
> > reading material in the airports I managed to be stuck
> > inside.
> >
> > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle
> > is to a car.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Millicent
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >
> >
> >
> > Me? I20doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm
> > still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in
> > this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and
> > less something I'll actually own.
> >
> > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of
> > owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink,
> > the slight variances in font and spacing. I guess
> > because I edit a college maagazine, I'm attuned to such
> > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> >
> > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are
> > huge stores like Borders or B&N. I like picking up
> > different books, paging through them, and skimming the
> > contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book
> > I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> > captivated. I like looking at covers and feeling the
> > different kinds of textures that books have.
> >
> > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> > believe that I am alone.
> >
> > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition to the
> > books I own and will continue to buy.
> >
> > Ye olde luddite,
> > Jeff Newberry
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and
> > leafing through a book I may want to buy.
> >
> > .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a
> > business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah,
> > it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think
> > that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapt
> > ers is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being
> > able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> > before I spend money on a book! In bookstores I always
> > feel as if I am sneaking around doing that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Millicent
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >
> >
> > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample
> > chapters of
> > a book you meant to buy.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Hal
> >
> > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't
> > have a Kindle.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Millicent
> >
> >
> > -----Or iginal Message-----
> >
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample
> > chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting.
> >
> > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels,
> > there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> > offered.
> >
> > At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.Â
> > when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> > few hun
> > dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now,
> > Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it
> > does have potential.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Millicent
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views
> > <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and
> > couldn't even tell
> > who'd done the translations.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not
> > easy to search and that they often give too little
> > information about the books contents and/or edition) is
> > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of
> > Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a
> > good version of the book, or have the editors’
> > “fixed� Dickinson’s punctuation and
> > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text
> > and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems...Â
> >
> > Â
> > =0 A
> >
> > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not
> > give me confidence.
> >
> > Â
> >
> > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says
> > four novels by an author without telling which.
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of
> > popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text
> > they are getting20(like writers and sch
> > olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> > which is not overly concerned with its product.
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > That’s from looking over the list for about an hour
> > so I could be wrong.
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > Â Â Â --Don Marquis
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
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> > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Â Â Â --Don Marquis
> > < br> Halvard Johnson
> >
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> >
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> > Â Â Â --Don Marquis
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
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> > Home
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> > parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories
> > of particular people and experience, from which each
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:30:05 -0600
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> > &, Views"
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> > Another forest weeps.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> > things. I'm still saving for a
> > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy,
> > that guitar is becoming
> > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own.
> > >
> > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral
> > quality of owning a book--the
> > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight
> > variances in font and
> > > spacing. I guess because I edit a college
> > magazine, I'm attuned to such
> > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> > >
> > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they
> > are huge stores like
> > > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different
> > books, paging through them, and
> > > skimming the contents. I like the subtle
> > surprise of finding a book I'd not
> > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> > captivated. I like looking
> > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures
> > that books have.
> > >
> > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> > believe that I am
> > > alone.
> > >
> > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to
> > the books I own and
> > > will continue to buy.
> > >
> > > Ye olde luddite,
> > > Jeff Newberry
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> > bookstore and leafing through
> > >> a book I may want to buy.
> > >>
> > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is
> > a business not a
> > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not
> > like a mortar and pestle
> > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or
> > review a T of C and
> > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I
> > actually LIKE being able (in
> > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> > before I spend money on a
> > >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am
> > sneaking around doing that.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Millicent
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > >> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>
> > >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> > money like sample chapters of
> > >> a book you meant to buy.
> > >>
> > >> Hal
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Hal
> > >>>
> > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If
> > you don't have a Kindle.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Millicent
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> > >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>
> > >>> Very hard work--when you don't
> > have a Kindle, though.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hal
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> > Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> > download sample chapters on Kindle
> > >>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> > popular novels, there is a fair
> > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> > offered.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> > early stages. when I got mine
> > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> > few hundred books, now, there is a
> > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not
> > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> > >>>> but it does have potential.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Millicent
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> > &,Views <
> > >>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Quite so. I checked out
> > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> > >>>> even tell
> > >>>> who'd done the translations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hal
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> > Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> My problem with
> > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> > >>>>> search and that they often give too
> > little information about the books
> > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is
> > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> > >>>>> version of the book, or have the
> > editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp
> > did in a freshman text and as the
> > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> > poems..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition
> > or Kindle Book does not give me
> > >>>>> confidence.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes
> > Amazon just says four novels by
> > >>>>> an author without telling which.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem
> > to be probably readers of popular
> > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned
> > about the text they are getting20(like
> > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon
> > Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its
> > product.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That’s from looking over the list
> > for about an hour so I could be
> > >>>>> wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> > isn't?"
> > >>>> --Don
> > Marquis
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Halvard Johnson
> > >>>> ================
> > >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ___________________
> > >>>> ____________________________
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> > >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who
> > isn't?"
> > >>>
> > >>> --Don Marquis
> > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> > >>> ================
> > >>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > >> --Don Marquis
> > >>
> > >> Halvard Johnson
> > >> ================
> > >> halvard at gmail.com
> > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > > --
> > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell
> > them parables; and
> > > that is what art really is, particular stories of
> > particular people and
> > > experience, from which each according to his own
> > immediate and peculiar
> > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > --Don Marquis
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
> > halvard at gmail.com
> > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:04 -0600
> > From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> > &, Views"
> > <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Message-ID:
> > <f160a1210903051034p9e10e99s7f8ef8a34fc307b1 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books
> > too--especially the moldy
> > ones--almost as much as
> > I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and
> > sound of its
> > keys, the play of ambient
> > light on the screen.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> > things. I'm still saving for a
> > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy,
> > that guitar is becoming
> > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own.
> > >
> > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral
> > quality of owning a book--the
> > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight
> > variances in font and
> > > spacing. I guess because I edit a college
> > magazine, I'm attuned to such
> > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> > >
> > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they
> > are huge stores like
> > > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different
> > books, paging through them, and
> > > skimming the contents. I like the subtle
> > surprise of finding a book I'd not
> > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> > captivated. I like looking
> > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures
> > that books have.
> > >
> > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> > believe that I am
> > > alone.
> > >
> > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to
> > the books I own and
> > > will continue to buy.
> > >
> > > Ye olde luddite,
> > > Jeff Newberry
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> > bookstore and leafing through
> > >> a book I may want to buy.
> > >>
> > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is
> > a business not a
> > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not
> > like a mortar and pestle
> > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or
> > review a T of C and
> > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I
> > actually LIKE being able (in
> > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> > before I spend money on a
> > >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am
> > sneaking around doing that.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Millicent
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > >> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>
> > >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> > money like sample chapters of
> > >> a book you meant to buy.
> > >>
> > >> Hal
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Hal
> > >>>
> > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If
> > you don't have a Kindle.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Millicent
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> > >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>
> > >>> Very hard work--when you don't
> > have a Kindle, though.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hal
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> > Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> > download sample chapters on Kindle
> > >>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> > popular novels, there is a fair
> > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> > offered.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> > early stages. when I got mine
> > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> > few hundred books, now, there is a
> > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not
> > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> > >>>> but it does have potential.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Millicent
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> > &,Views <
> > >>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Quite so. I checked out
> > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> > >>>> even tell
> > >>>> who'd done the translations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hal
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> > Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> My problem with
> > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> > >>>>> search and that they often give too
> > little information about the books
> > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is
> > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> > >>>>> version of the book, or have the
> > editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp
> > did in a freshman text and as the
> > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> > poems..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition
> > or Kindle Book does not give me
> > >>>>> confidence.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes
> > Amazon just says four novels by
> > >>>>> an author without telling which.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem
> > to be probably readers of popular
> > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned
> > about the text they are getting20(like
> > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon
> > Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its
> > product.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That’s from looking over the list
> > for about an hour so I could be
> > >>>>> wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> > isn't?"
> > >>>> --Don
> > Marquis
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Halvard Johnson
> > >>>> ================
> > >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ___________________
> > >>>> ____________________________
> > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://
> wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> !
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who
> > isn't?"
> > >>>
> > >>> --Don Marquis
> > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> > >>> ================
> > >>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://
> wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
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> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> > >>> !
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > >> --Don Marquis
> > >>
> > >> Halvard Johnson
> > >> ================
> > >> halvard at gmail.com
> > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://
> wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
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> > anywhere on the web. Get the
> > >> Radio Toolbar<
> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> > >> !
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> New-Poetry mailing list
> > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell
> > them parables; and
> > > that is what art really is, particular stories of
> > particular people and
> > > experience, from which each according to his own
> > immediate and peculiar
> > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > --Don Marquis
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
> > halvard at gmail.com
> > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:36:55 -0500
> > From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > To: halvard at gmail.com,
> > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,
> > Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Message-ID:
> > <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Tell it to the textbook publishers . . .
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Another forest weeps.
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <
> jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> > things. I'm still saving for a
> > >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this
> > economy, that guitar is becoming
> > >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually
> > own.
> > >>
> > >> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral
> > quality of owning a book--the
> > >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the
> > slight variances in font and
> > >> spacing. I guess because I edit a college
> > magazine, I'm attuned to such
> > >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> > >>
> > >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if
> > they are huge stores like
> > >> Borders or B&N. I like picking up
> > different books, paging through them, and
> > >> skimming the contents. I like the subtle
> > surprise of finding a book I'd not
> > >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> > captivated. I like looking
> > >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of
> > textures that books have.
> > >>
> > >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I
> > refuse to believe that I am
> > >> alone.
> > >>
> > >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in
> > *addition* to the books I own
> > >> and will continue to buy.
> > >>
> > >> Ye olde luddite,
> > >> Jeff Newberry
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> > bookstore and leafing through
> > >>> a book I may want to buy.
> > >>>
> > >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon
> > is a business not a
> > >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's
> > not like a mortar and pestle
> > >>> book store, but I think that being able to
> > read or review a T of C and
> > >>> sample chapters is a very useful
> > feature. I actually LIKE being able (in
> > >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample
> > chapters before I spend money on a
> > >>> book! In bookstores I always feel as if
> > I am sneaking around doing that.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Millicent
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> > >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>
> > >>> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> > money like sample chapters of
> > >>> a book you meant to buy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hal
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent
> > Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Hal
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too.
> > If you don't have a Kindle.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Millicent
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: Millicent Accardi
> > <millb at aol.com>
> > >>>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Very hard work--when you
> > don't have a Kindle, though.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hal
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> > Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> > download sample chapters on Kindle
> > >>>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> > popular novels, there is a fair
> > >>>>> amount of literary (new literary
> > fiction) offered.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> > early stages. when I got mine
> > >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there
> > were a few hundred books, now, there is a
> > >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is
> > not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> > >>>>> but it does have potential.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Millicent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry
> > News &,Views <
> > >>>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Quite so. I checked
> > out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> > >>>>> even tell
> > >>>>> who'd done the translations.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> > Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> My problem with
> > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> > >>>>>> search and that they often give
> > too little information about the books
> > >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is
> > >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> > >>>>>> version of the book, or have the
> > editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> > >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and
> > Arp did in a freshman text and as the
> > >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> > poems..
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle
> > Edition or Kindle Book does not give me
> > >>>>>> confidence.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This is not a minor problem.
> > Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by
> > >>>>>> an author without telling which.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Their customers for Kindle
> > seem to be probably readers of popular
> > >>>>>> fiction, not those who are
> > concerned about the text they are getting20(like
> > >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the
> > Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> > >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with
> > its product.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> That’s from looking over the
> > list for about an hour so I could be
> > >>>>>> wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> > isn't?"
> > >>>>> --Don
> > Marquis
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Halvard Johnson
> > >>>>> ================
> > >>>>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ___________________
> > >>>>> ____________________________
> > >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations
> > anytime from anywhere on the web. Get
> > >>>>> the Radio Toolbar<
> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> > >>>>> !
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but
> > who isn't?"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --Don
> > Marquis
> > >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> > >>>> ================
> > >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > _______________________________________________
> > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://
> wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime
> > from anywhere on the web. Get
> > >>>> the Radio Toolbar<
> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> > >>>> !
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > >>> --Don Marquis
> > >>>
> > >>> Halvard Johnson
> > >>> ================
> > >>> halvard at gmail.com
> > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://
> wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from
> > anywhere on the web. Get
> > >>> the Radio Toolbar<
> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> > >>> !
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> New-Poetry mailing list
> > >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only
> > tell them parables; and
> > >> that is what art really is, particular stories of
> > particular people and
> > >> experience, from which each according to his own
> > immediate and peculiar
> > >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> New-Poetry mailing list
> > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> > > --Don Marquis
> > >
> > > Halvard Johnson
> > > ================
> > > halvard at gmail.com
> > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > New-Poetry mailing list
> > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them
> > parables; and that
> > is what art really is, particular stories of particular
> > people and
> > experience, from which each according to his own immediate
> > and peculiar
> > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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