[New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8

David Baratier editor at pavementsaw.org
Thu Mar 5 14:01:59 EST 2009 

Hey--

Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, see below. I cannot even tell what the new messages are.

Be well

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> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:42 PM
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>    1. Re: Kindle 2 (Millicent Accardi)
>    2. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson)
>    3. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson)
>    4. Re: Kindle 2 (Jeff Newberry)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:58 -0500
> From: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9 at FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hey Jeff--
> 
> I'm a luddite as well!  No TV, no microwave.
> 
> And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books
> (at least not now). 
> 
> Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny
> posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and
> commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I use it about
> 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read regular
> books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession)
> has not replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little
> shack in the canyon.  It's an additional tool that, for
> me, is surprisingly useful.
> 
> For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a
> long commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading
> material along, it's a great, light-weight tool.  
> 
> Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I
> needed for my writing project (those that were not avail
> thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary
> blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a bank of book
> reviews and The New Yorker.  Since in EU whisper net is
> not available, I figured I would load up.  It made my
> trip a lot lighter!  And I felt rather stocked up on
> reading material in the airports I managed to be stuck
> inside.
> 
> For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle
> is to a car.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Millicent 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> 
> 
> 
> Me?  I20doubt I'll ever own one of these things.  I'm
> still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in
> this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and
> less something I'll actually own.
> 
> But I'm and odd duck.  I like the visceral quality of
> owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink,
> the slight variances in font and spacing.  I guess
> because I edit a college maagazine, I'm attuned to such
> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> 
> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are
> huge stores like Borders or B&N.  I like picking up
> different books, paging through them, and skimming the
> contents.  I like the subtle surprise of finding a book
> I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> captivated.  I like looking at covers and feeling the
> different kinds of textures that books have.
> 
> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> believe that I am alone.
> 
> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition to the
> books I own and will continue to buy.
> 
> Ye olde luddite,
> Jeff Newberry
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and
> leafing through a book I may want to buy. 
> 
> .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a
> business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah,
> it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think
> that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapt
> ers is a very useful feature.  I actually LIKE being
> able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> before I spend money on a book!  In bookstores I always
> feel as if I am sneaking around doing that.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Millicent 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> 
> 
> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample
> chapters of
> a book you meant to buy.
> 
> Hal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Hal
> 
> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't
> have a Kindle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Millicent 
> 
> 
> -----Or iginal Message----- 
> 
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though.
> 
> Hal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample
> chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting.
> 
> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels,
> there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> offered.
> 
> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. 
> when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> few hun
> dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now,
> Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it
> does have potential. 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Millicent 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and
> couldn't even tell
> who'd done the translations.
> 
> Hal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not
> easy to search and that they often give too little
> information about the books contents and/or edition) is
> exasperated with Kindle Books.  Which edition is best of
> Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a
> good version of the book, or have the editors’
> “fixed� Dickinson’s punctuation and
> capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text
> and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems...  
> 
>  
> =0 A 
> 
> The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not
> give me confidence. 
> 
>  
> 
> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says
> four novels by an author without telling which. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of
> popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text
> they are getting20(like writers and sch
> olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> which is not overly concerned with its product. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> That’s from looking over the list for about an hour
> so I could be wrong.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
>       --Don Marquis
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
>       --Don Marquis
> < br> Halvard Johnson 
> 
> ================
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> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
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> -- 
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>       --Don Marquis
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
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> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/
> Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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> 
> 
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> parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories
> of particular people and experience, from which each
> according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:30:05 -0600
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,    Views"
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> Another forest weeps.
> 
> Hal
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Me?  I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> things.  I'm still saving for a
> > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy,
> that guitar is becoming
> > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own.
> >
> > But I'm and odd duck.  I like the visceral
> quality of owning a book--the
> > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight
> variances in font and
> > spacing.  I guess because I edit a college
> magazine, I'm attuned to such
> > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> >
> > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they
> are huge stores like
> > Borders or B&N.  I like picking up different
> books, paging through them, and
> > skimming the contents.  I like the subtle
> surprise of finding a book I'd not
> > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> captivated.  I like looking
> > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures
> that books have.
> >
> > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> believe that I am
> > alone.
> >
> > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to
> the books I own and
> > will continue to buy.
> >
> > Ye olde luddite,
> > Jeff Newberry
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> bookstore and leafing through
> >> a book I may want to buy.
> >>
> >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is
> a business not a
> >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not
> like a mortar and pestle
> >> book store, but I think that being able to read or
> review a T of C and
> >> sample chapters is a very useful feature.  I
> actually LIKE being able (in
> >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> before I spend money on a
> >> book!  In bookstores I always feel as if I am
> sneaking around doing that.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Millicent
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> >> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>
> >>  That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> money like sample chapters of
> >> a book you meant to buy.
> >>
> >> Hal
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Hal
> >>>
> >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If
> you don't have a Kindle.
> >>>
> >>>  Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Millicent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>   To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>
> >>>    Very hard work--when you don't
> have a Kindle, though.
> >>>
> >>> Hal
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> download sample chapters on Kindle
> >>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> popular novels, there is a fair
> >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> offered.
> >>>>
> >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> early stages.  when I got mine
> >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> few hundred books, now, there is a
> >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not
> the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> >>>> but it does have potential.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Millicent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,Views <
> >>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>>
> >>>>   Quite so. I checked out
> Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> >>>> even tell
> >>>> who'd done the translations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hal
> >>>>
> >>>>  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>   My problem with
> Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> >>>>> search and that they often give too
> little information about the books
> >>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> exasperated with Kindle Books.  Which edition is
> >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> >>>>> version of the book, or have the
> editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp
> did in a freshman text and as the
> >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> poems..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition
> or Kindle Book does not give me
> >>>>> confidence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes
> Amazon just says four novels by
> >>>>> an author without telling which.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Their customers for Kindle seem
> to be probably readers of popular
> >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned
> about the text they are getting20(like
> >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon
> Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its
> product.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s from looking over the list
> for about an hour so I could be
> >>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> isn't?"
> >>>>       --Don
> Marquis
> >>>>
> >>>> Halvard Johnson
> >>>> ================
> >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  ___________________
> >>>> ____________________________
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>  "A hypocri te is a person who--but who
> isn't?"
> >>>
> >>>       --Don Marquis
> >>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> >>> ================
> >>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> >>       --Don Marquis
> >>
> >> Halvard Johnson
> >> ================
> >> halvard at gmail.com
> >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
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> >
> >
> > --
> > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell
> them parables; and
> > that is what art really is, particular stories of
> particular people and
> > experience, from which each according to his own
> immediate and peculiar
> > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> -- 
> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
>       --Don Marquis
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:04 -0600
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,    Views"
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> Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books
> too--especially the moldy
> ones--almost as much as
> I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and
> sound of its
> keys, the play of ambient
> light on the screen.
> 
> Hal
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Me?  I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> things.  I'm still saving for a
> > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy,
> that guitar is becoming
> > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own.
> >
> > But I'm and odd duck.  I like the visceral
> quality of owning a book--the
> > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight
> variances in font and
> > spacing.  I guess because I edit a college
> magazine, I'm attuned to such
> > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> >
> > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they
> are huge stores like
> > Borders or B&N.  I like picking up different
> books, paging through them, and
> > skimming the contents.  I like the subtle
> surprise of finding a book I'd not
> > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> captivated.  I like looking
> > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures
> that books have.
> >
> > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to
> believe that I am
> > alone.
> >
> > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to
> the books I own and
> > will continue to buy.
> >
> > Ye olde luddite,
> > Jeff Newberry
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> bookstore and leafing through
> >> a book I may want to buy.
> >>
> >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is
> a business not a
> >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not
> like a mortar and pestle
> >> book store, but I think that being able to read or
> review a T of C and
> >> sample chapters is a very useful feature.  I
> actually LIKE being able (in
> >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters
> before I spend money on a
> >> book!  In bookstores I always feel as if I am
> sneaking around doing that.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Millicent
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> >> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>
> >>  That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> money like sample chapters of
> >> a book you meant to buy.
> >>
> >> Hal
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Hal
> >>>
> >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If
> you don't have a Kindle.
> >>>
> >>>  Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Millicent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>   To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>
> >>>    Very hard work--when you don't
> have a Kindle, though.
> >>>
> >>> Hal
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> download sample chapters on Kindle
> >>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> popular novels, there is a fair
> >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction)
> offered.
> >>>>
> >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> early stages.  when I got mine
> >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a
> few hundred books, now, there is a
> >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not
> the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> >>>> but it does have potential.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Millicent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,Views <
> >>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>>
> >>>>   Quite so. I checked out
> Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> >>>> even tell
> >>>> who'd done the translations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hal
> >>>>
> >>>>  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>   My problem with
> Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> >>>>> search and that they often give too
> little information about the books
> >>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> exasperated with Kindle Books.  Which edition is
> >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> >>>>> version of the book, or have the
> editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp
> did in a freshman text and as the
> >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> poems..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition
> or Kindle Book does not give me
> >>>>> confidence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes
> Amazon just says four novels by
> >>>>> an author without telling which.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Their customers for Kindle seem
> to be probably readers of popular
> >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned
> about the text they are getting20(like
> >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon
> Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its
> product.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s from looking over the list
> for about an hour so I could be
> >>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> isn't?"
> >>>>       --Don
> Marquis
> >>>>
> >>>> Halvard Johnson
> >>>> ================
> >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  ___________________
> >>>> ____________________________
> >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> !
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>  "A hypocri te is a person who--but who
> isn't?"
> >>>
> >>>       --Don Marquis
> >>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> >>> ================
> >>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> _______________________________________________
> >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> !
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> >>       --Don Marquis
> >>
> >> Halvard Johnson
> >> ================
> >> halvard at gmail.com
> >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell
> them parables; and
> > that is what art really is, particular stories of
> particular people and
> > experience, from which each according to his own
> immediate and peculiar
> > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
>       --Don Marquis
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:36:55 -0500
> From: Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> To: halvard at gmail.com,
> "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,
>     Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
>     <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Tell it to the textbook publishers . . .
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Another forest weeps.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry <jeff.newberry at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Me?  I doubt I'll ever own one of these
> things.  I'm still saving for a
> >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this
> economy, that guitar is becoming
> >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually
> own.
> >>
> >> But I'm and odd duck.  I like the visceral
> quality of owning a book--the
> >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the
> slight variances in font and
> >> spacing.  I guess because I edit a college
> magazine, I'm attuned to such
> >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone.
> >>
> >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if
> they are huge stores like
> >> Borders or B&N.  I like picking up
> different books, paging through them, and
> >> skimming the contents.  I like the subtle
> surprise of finding a book I'd not
> >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being
> captivated.  I like looking
> >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of
> textures that books have.
> >>
> >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I
> refuse to believe that I am
> >> alone.
> >>
> >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in
> *addition* to the books I own
> >> and will continue to buy.
> >>
> >> Ye olde luddite,
> >> Jeff Newberry
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a
> bookstore and leafing through
> >>> a book I may want to buy.
> >>>
> >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon
> is a business not a
> >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's
> not like a mortar and pestle
> >>> book store, but I think that being able to
> read or review a T of C and
> >>> sample chapters is a very useful
> feature.  I actually LIKE being able (in
> >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample
> chapters before I spend money on a
> >>> book!  In bookstores I always feel as if
> I am sneaking around doing that.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Millicent
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>> To: Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com>
> >>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>
> >>>  That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you
> money like sample chapters of
> >>> a book you meant to buy.
> >>>
> >>> Hal
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent
> Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Hal
> >>>>
> >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too.
> If you don't have a Kindle.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Millicent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Or iginal Message-----
> >>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>>   To: Millicent Accardi
> <millb at aol.com>
> >>>> Cc: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>>
> >>>>    Very hard work--when you
> don't have a Kindle, though.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hal
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent
> Accardi <millb at aol.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN
> download sample chapters on Kindle
> >>>>> to see which edition you are getting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and
> popular novels, there is a fair
> >>>>> amount of literary (new literary
> fiction) offered.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the
> early stages.  when I got mine
> >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there
> were a few hundred books, now, there is a
> >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is
> not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg,
> >>>>> but it does have potential.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Millicent
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry
> News &amp,Views <
> >>>>> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Quite so. I checked
> out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't
> >>>>> even tell
> >>>>> who'd done the translations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM,
> Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>   My problem with
> Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to
> >>>>>> search and that they often give
> too little information about the books
> >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is
> exasperated with Kindle Books.  Which edition is
> >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there
> truncations? I.e., are you reading a good
> >>>>>> version of the book, or have the
> editors’ “fixed” Dickinson’s punctuation
> >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and
> Arp did in a freshman text and as the
> >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her
> poems..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle
> Edition or Kindle Book does not give me
> >>>>>> confidence.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is not a minor problem.
> Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by
> >>>>>> an author without telling which.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Their customers for Kindle
> seem to be probably readers of popular
> >>>>>> fiction, not those who are
> concerned about the text they are getting20(like
> >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the
> Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor
> >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with
> its product.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That’s from looking over the
> list for about an hour so I could be
> >>>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who
> isn't?"
> >>>>>       --Don
> Marquis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Halvard Johnson
> >>>>> ================
> >>>>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  ___________________
> >>>>> ____________________________
> >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations
> anytime from anywhere on the web. Get
> >>>>> the Radio Toolbar<http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> >>>>> !
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>  "A hypocri te is a person who--but
> who isn't?"
> >>>>
> >>>>       --Don
> Marquis
> >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson
> >>>> ================
> >>>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> _______________________________________________
> >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime
> from anywhere on the web. Get
> >>>> the Radio Toolbar<http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> >>>> !
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> >>>       --Don Marquis
> >>>
> >>> Halvard Johnson
> >>> ================
> >>> halvard at gmail.com
> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> _______________________________________________
> >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from
> anywhere on the web. Get
> >>> the Radio Toolbar<http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>
> >>> !
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> New-Poetry mailing list
> >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only
> tell them parables; and
> >> that is what art really is, particular stories of
> particular people and
> >> experience, from which each according to his own
> immediate and peculiar
> >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?"
> >       --Don Marquis
> >
> > Halvard Johnson
> > ================
> > halvard at gmail.com
> > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them
> parables; and that
> is what art really is, particular stories of particular
> people and
> experience, from which each according to his own immediate
> and peculiar
> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden
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