From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 05:47:46 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903010247i2ee006c4l37279836d66eee15@mail.gmail.com> "The poet speaks not of peculiar and personal things, but of what in himself is most common, most anonymous, most fundamental." It's the birthday of the poet *Richard Wilbur *, (books by this author) born in New York City (1921). He served in the infantry during WWII. In his foxhole, he read Edgar Allan Poe and wrote the poems that became his first book: *The Beautiful Changes* (1947). *Things of This World* (1956) received a Pulitzer Prize and a National Book Award. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(by my former student at M.I.T. Kathy Orteleva): [Untitled] stillness in an empty washroom HAAAAAAAA I can break it. ***************************************** BTW, I give high points to the sheep poem for being the ONLY KNOWN poem on the notion of sheep-bleat provoking suicidal rumination (go on, ye scholars, prove me wrong!) on on, B From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 1 17:06:23 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A New Poetics Term, Maybe In-Reply-To: <437b1e3a0903011206jd785937je593ac5b905a9113@mail.gmail.com> References: <863532.21398.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4b65c2d70902280838y6ae7e655y194ca45ed81dcd6@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b090 2281543j79a04189u1bd231f06564ebac@mail.gmail.com><49A9D598.2010409@nut-n-but.net> <437b1e3a0903011206jd785937je593ac5b905a9113@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AB06DF.6090700@nut-n-but.net> David Weinstock wrote: > cf. liripip Couldn't find it in the OED but found "lyriform"--shaped like a lyre. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 1 17:09:16 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing-testing In-Reply-To: References: <200903011700.n21H05mK005763@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <49AB078C.6080808@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Judy wrote: >> >> Barry Spacks where R U >> we need a banana verse reverse >> perhaps perverse stall of Bobbistics > > will this suffice? (by my former student > at M.I.T. Kathy Orteleva): > > [Untitled] > > stillness in an empty > > washroom > > HAAAAAAAA > > I can break it. > > ***************************************** > > BTW, I give high points to the sheep poem > for being the ONLY KNOWN poem > on the notion of sheep-bleat > provoking suicidal rumination > (go on, ye scholars, prove me wrong!) > > on on, > > B Right, Barry, but no. 5 requires the uniqueness to be significant. Every poem is unique in some way. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Sun Mar 1 20:45:58 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 20 In-Reply-To: <49A9D086.9020606@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB680E1F5C9A4B-D84-3D7@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <49A9D086.9020606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CB68EFC4E93773-1208-3E75@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> That list was from Mary Biddinger's blog.... http://wordcage.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 20 Yikes, what is poor Wally doing there!?? ? Is this list yours or from the blog, James? Sorry, I'm not up to clicking to the blog right now.? ? --Bob? ? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And mostly omitting my friends' books--for I could easily come up with 2 or 3 further lists just of those. . . . ____________________________ I could not resist making up my own little list of Desert Island poetry books, once I saw some others' fascinating lists. Hard to know where to stop--20, 25, 30? So I just stopped arbitrarily. This is off the top of my head, and probably omits some of my very favorite books, of course. But the books listed are all ones that took the top of my head off, often in my starting-out days. Books that directly or indirectly put fuel on my fire. Books I tried and failed to imitate. Books I carried around in my knapsack for months, etc. 1. Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass (especially 1855 edition) 2. Robert Frost, North of Boston 3. Emily Dickinson, Collected Poems 4. William Carlos Williams, Selected Poems (especially the Jarrell selection) 5. Charles Simic, Classic Ballroom Dances 6. Theodore Roethke, The Far Field 7. Wallace Stevens, Harmonium 8. Marianne Moore, Selected Poems (1935 especially) 9. Robert Francis, Selected Poems 10. Robert Bly, Sleepers Joining Hands 11. James Wright, The Branch Will Not Break 12. Russell Edson, The Intuitive Journey 13. Laura Jensen, Bad Boats 14. Gerald Stern, Lucky Life 15. Brendan Galvin, Winter Oysters 16. Pattiann Rogers, The Tattooed Lady in the Garden 17. Marianne Boruch, Moss Burning 18. Christopher Gilbert, Across the Mutual Landscape 19. Robert Hayden, American Journal 20. Seamus Heaney, Station Island 21. Derek Walcott, Sea Grapes 22. Charles Wright, Bloodlines 23. Robert Hass, Praise 24. Donald Justice, Selected Poems 25. William Stafford, Stories That Could Be True 26. William Matthews, Rising & Falling 27. Richard Hugo, The Lady in Kicking Horse Reservoir 28. William Trowbridge, O Paradise 29. Tomas Transtromer, Truth Barriers (trans. Bly) 30. Jean Follain, Transparence of the World (trans. Merwin) Needless to say, some of my most most favorite books are not on this list, particularly if they were published recently. And I've mostly omitted Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, et al. because they'd probably be on everyone's list. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:45 PM, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > That list was from Mary Biddinger's blog.... > > http://wordcage.blogspot.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 7:02 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 20 > > Yikes, what is poor Wally doing there!? > > Is this list yours or from the blog, James? Sorry, I'm not up to > clicking to the blog right now. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Looking for work? Get job alerts, employment information, career > advice and job-seeking tools at AOL Find a Job. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(by my former student > at M.I.T. Kathy Orteleva): > > [Untitled] > > stillness in an empty > > washroom > > HAAAAAAAA > > I can break it. > > ***************************************** > > BTW, I give high points to the sheep poem > for being the ONLY KNOWN poem > on the notion of sheep-bleat > provoking suicidal rumination > (go on, ye scholars, prove me wrong!) > > on on, > > B > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't think it or the Black Judge one worth full analysis. --Bob From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Mar 1 23:14:23 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A New Poetics Term, Maybe In-Reply-To: <49AB06DF.6090700@nut-n-but.net> References: <863532.21398.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70902280838y6ae7e655y194ca45ed81dcd6@mail.gmail.com> <49A9D598.2010409@nut-n-but.net> <437b1e3a0903011206jd785937je593ac5b905a9113@mail.gmail.com> <49AB06DF.6090700@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830903012014t9cf22a5qb0ea50f77fb3327@mail.gmail.com> Bob, why don't you try writing a Petrrchan sonnet? It'd do you good. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > David Weinstock wrote: > >> cf. liripip >> > Couldn't find it in the OED but found "lyriform"--shaped like a lyre. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090301/277802c7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 02:12:53 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books of Poetry I Love In-Reply-To: <49AB4D63.2040504@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB680E1F5C9A4B-D84-3D7@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <49A9D086.9020606@nut-n-but.net> <24815549-7A65-460F-8483-4211E0C5C131@ripon.edu> <49AB4D63.2040504@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903012312u78e525eci241db3c1c304ef18@mail.gmail.com> Yes, by me. A great list. Many of your authors would appear on my list if I took some time to write one. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Needless to say, some of my most most favorite books are not on this > list, particularly if they were published recently. And I've mostly omitted > Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, et al. because they'd probably be on > everyone's list. . . . > > > I wonder if they'd be on the lists of many twenty-something poets. > Especially the romantics. Are they still admired? > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I've got SO many pots simmering. . . . --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 2 10:43:28 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Montclair to the rescue of the Dodge Message-ID: <8CB6964C3E7E6AB-774-CE2@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Montclair steps in for sake of poetry Township is offering to host Dodge event Sunday, March 01, 2009 BY PEGGY McGLONE Star-Ledger Staff Montclair has made a serious bid to partner with the Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation to save the biennial Dodge Poetry Festival, a four-day event that attracts high- profile poets and tens of thousands of poetry lovers. Montclair Township manager Joseph Hartnett wants to present the 2010 festival in Montclair's central business district, which includes several performance spaces and church halls as well as restau rants and parking. ? "We can save this festival," said Hartnett, who will give the Dodge team a tour of the downtown next week. 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Dodge Foundation to save the biennial Dodge Poetry Festival, a four-day event that attracts high- profile poets and tens of thousands of poetry lovers. Montclair Township manager Joseph Hartnett wants to present the 2010 festival in Montclair's central business district, which includes several performance spaces and church halls as well as restau rants and parking. ? "We can save this festival," said Hartnett, who will give the Dodge team a tour of the downtown next week. "The Dodge is a festival of national if not international re nown. We consider ourselves among the premier arts communities in New Jersey ... and we want to build on that." ? Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After distributing the ink over glass laid flat on a table, Ferriss, who also runs a printing and book design business out of his Healdsburg home, demonstrated how to put it on the press. "The roller just kisses the face of the type," he said. "It's all in the eye and hand and experience. The press is only a machine." He spoke of bars, rails, coffins and beds. Printer's talk. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try the new > Email Toolbar now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090302/d402ccb5/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 2 14:11:19 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Montclair to the rescue of the Dodge In-Reply-To: <8CB6964C3E7E6AB-774-CE2@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6964C3E7E6AB-774-CE2@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49AC2F57.7060504@opus40.org> I think this is great. jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Montclair steps in for sake of poetry > Township is offering to host Dodge event > Sunday, March 01, 2009 > BY PEGGY McGLONE > Star-Ledger Staff > > Montclair has made a serious bid to partner with the Geraldine R. > Dodge Foundation to save the biennial Dodge Poetry Festival, a > four-day event that attracts high- profile poets and tens of thousands > of poetry lovers. > > Montclair Township manager Joseph Hartnett wants to present the 2010 > festival in Montclair's central business district, which includes > several performance spaces and church halls as well as restau rants > and parking. > > "We can save this festival," said Hartnett, who will give the Dodge > team a tour of the downtown next week. "The Dodge is a festival of > national if not international re nown. We consider ourselves among the > premier arts communities in New Jersey ... and we want to build on that." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new > Email Toolbar now > ! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu Mon Mar 2 14:44:55 2009 From: Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu (Edward Byrne) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrating Literary Journals and Small Presses Message-ID: <49ABE2D6.7112.006E.0@valpo.edu> Valparaiso Poetry Review congratulates fellow literary journals and small presses during March (Small Press Month) and every other month, and requests readers note the many links provided within the accompanying video in order to visit the web pages suggested: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2009/03/celebrating-literary-journals-and-small.html -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne@valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr@valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- From cheekc at muohio.edu Mon Mar 2 14:48:56 2009 From: cheekc at muohio.edu (cris cheek) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] kind of Bunting-centered on Morden Tower In-Reply-To: <8CB68EFC4E93773-1208-3E75@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB680E1F5C9A4B-D84-3D7@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <49A9D086.9020606@nut-n-but.net> <8CB68EFC4E93773-1208-3E75@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <89160E91-B404-4458-8FB2-6029899D282E@muohio.edu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hrsnj it's free for download up on the BBC Radio 4 website for the next 5 days only!! Totally totally highly recommended. A Strong Song Tows Us - Another History of English Poetry Synopsis: Lee Hall, writer of Billy Elliot and The Pitmen Painters, uncovers a hidden history of English poetry. Stretching back to the Dark Ages and emerging in 1960s Newcastle, Lee reveals an alternative tradition of English poetry as the preserve of ordinary working people. Sunderland cork cutters, shipyard workers and pit men encounter Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg and Ezra Pound. And how a meeting between a 16-year-old schoolboy and one of the great modernists of English literature, Basil Bunting, contributed to the flowering of the north east as an international destination for the whole Beatnik generation. From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:05:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adaptive Language, a video poem, by Mary Ann Sullivan In-Reply-To: <61092.74.73.224.204.1236015587.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> References: <61092.74.73.224.204.1236015587.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903021305q4529b287jc049c73ffab95f5e@mail.gmail.com> She is funny, and eratio.blogspot has evolved into an extremely interesting "blog", congratulations. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, e?ratio wrote: > Adaptive Language, a video poem, by Mary Ann Sullivan: > > http://www.towerjournal.com/egyptian2.html > > > > Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino > http://eratio.blogspot.com > > > e? > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two anthologies of visual poetry, one edited by Mary Ellen Solt, the other by Emmett Williams, were important for showing me where visual poetry could go from Cummings. The Modern Library edition of Keats's poems and letters was probably my most treasured book when I was twenty or so although nothing in it quite bowled me over. One of the four Peter Pauper collections of Japanese Haiku gave me a terrific jolt when I skimmed it in the bookstore I bought all four from. I had an intense dormant receptiveness to haiku that it awakened. /The Collected Poems of Theodore Roethke/ gave me a jolt much later, mainly by introducing me to what poetry could do with dirt and its habitants. Another key book in my life as a poet is Dylan Thomas's /Collected Poems/. Then there's the Samuel French Morse collection of Stevens's poems. There have been and still are lots of other poetry books in my life I'm glad of, but the above are the only ones super-important to me I can think of right now. Not counting many by close friends, some of which I've published. --Bob G. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090302/802968ca/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 08:18:56 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] If you missed them, you can still ... Message-ID: <138572.46025.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Listen in and watch recent readers from the Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series: ** Jason Gray, Tony Mancus, Deborah Poe, Jessica Reed, Ric Royer, and Mario Susko ** And more @ http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/video/ Enjoy, Amy & Ana http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some argue that there is a definitive boundary between prose poetry and microfiction, but you may submit either for this publication. You may submit as many pieces as you wish, and those chosen will appear in a new Cinnamon microfiction and prose anthology to be published in late 2010, co-edited by Holly Howitt and Jan Fortune-Wood. *Submission Guidelines * *Please read these carefully. Due to the large volume of submissions expected we will only be able to process those submissions that conform to the guidelines.* The deadline for submissions is: 15th August 2009 Each piece must be no longer than 600 words. There is no minimum length. Pieces can be on any subject and you may send several pieces, but please submit them as a single word attachment using a .doc or .rtf format Submit pieces to both Holly Howitt - Holly Howitt - cinnamonanthology@googlemail.com and Jan Fortune-Wood ? jan@cinnamonpress.com with ?microfiction anthology? in the subject line. In the body of the email please type your name and location. Submissions without virus protection will not be opened and read so please ensure your virus protection is up to date. We hope to inform everyone who has sent a submission of which pieces will be included by late November 2009. Please ensure that you inform us if your email address changes after sending the submission. The decisions of the editors are final. All those whose work is selected will receive a copy of the anthology. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090303/dfc37e0e/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 3 10:20:33 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] microfiction/prose poetry In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903030548w2593fa1rea5f1d215fc4a8ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903030548w2593fa1rea5f1d215fc4a8ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD4AC1.7000601@opus40.org> The decisions of the editors are final? Anny Ballardini wrote: > > * From Cinnamon Press: > ** > * > > * *Call for submissions for new anthology of microfiction/prose > poetry * > > We are looking for pieces of microfiction, sometimes called short > short fiction or flash fiction, and pieces of prose poetry that tell a > story in under 600 words. There is no minimum word limit. > > Microfiction and prose poetry are very short prose pieces that harness > a poetic world but still contain a story with a beginning, middle and > end, and imply a lot more than their small structure can contain. They > are flashes of something ? an epiphany, perhaps ? that often subvert > expectation and work in a minimal structure. Some argue that there is > a definitive boundary between prose poetry and microfiction, but you > may submit either for this publication. > > You may submit as many pieces as you wish, and those chosen will > appear in a new Cinnamon microfiction and prose anthology to be > published in late 2010, co-edited by Holly Howitt and Jan Fortune-Wood. > > *Submission Guidelines * > > */Please read these carefully. Due to the large volume of submissions > expected we will only be able to process those submissions that > conform to the guidelines./* > > The deadline for submissions is: 15th August 2009 > > Each piece must be no longer than 600 words. There is no minimum length. > > Pieces can be on any subject and you may send several pieces, but > please submit them as a single word attachment using a .doc or .rtf format > > Submit pieces to both Holly Howitt - Holly Howitt - > cinnamonanthology@googlemail.com > and Jan Fortune-Wood ? > jan@cinnamonpress.com with > ?microfiction anthology? in the subject line. > > In the body of the email please type your name and location. > > Submissions without virus protection will not be opened and read so > please ensure your virus protection is up to date. > > We hope to inform everyone who has sent a submission of which pieces > will be included by late November 2009. Please ensure that you inform > us if your email address changes after sending the submission. > > The decisions of the editors are final. > > All those whose work is selected will receive a copy of the anthology. > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:54:24 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] microfiction/prose poetry In-Reply-To: <49AD4AC1.7000601@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70903030548w2593fa1rea5f1d215fc4a8ec@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4AC1.7000601@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903031054m31530dcet30bd6e7a934546a9@mail.gmail.com> if not terminal... On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:20 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > The decisions of the editors are final? > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903030548w2593fa1rea5f1d215fc4a8ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33C6E4C0670D45E7B082A86FA2558496@win.louisiana.edu> Perhaps it was the Buffalo list, but in case . . . I cannot remember seeing Mina Loy listed with her great poems of derelicts, the homeless, extremely poor, etc. The most obvious are "Der Blinde Junge," "Lady Laura in Bohemia," "On Third Avenue," "Idiot Child on a Fire-Escape," Chiffon Velours," & "Hot Cross Bum." "Ephemerid" is about an lower class child in the Bowery, not homeless however. The woman in "An Aged Woman" is not necessary impoverished by anything but age. What about W.C. Williams' poetry of the poor, the raped, etc.? (Or his stories like "A Night in June.") Or Sandburg's "Mag" etc.? Rukeyser has great poems about industrial abuse of workers &c. And Lerner (Tillie Olson) about the abuse of Mexican workers &c. Much proletarian poetry. Even _United States_ by Reznikoff. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090303/3a68c097/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 3 18:44:50 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Was it someone on this list working on poetry of the abject? In-Reply-To: <33C6E4C0670D45E7B082A86FA2558496@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CB6A712DC8B2CA-514-8DF@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> Skip, don't remember such a thread/anthology. Anne Winters' _The Displaced of Capital_ has to be one of the more recent voices raised?on behalf of the underclass. Martin Espada, too, has raised his voice on behalf of the poor and other?social outcasts. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 5:30 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Was it someone on this list working on poetry of the abject? ? Perhaps it was the Buffalo list, but in case . . .. ? I cannot remember seeing Mina Loy listed with her great poems of derelicts, the homeless, extremely poor, etc. The most obvious are "Der Blinde Junge," "Lady Laura in Bohemia," "On Third Avenue," "Idiot Child on a Fire-Escape," Chiffon Velours," & "Hot Cross Bum." "Ephemerid" is about an lower class child in the Bowery, not homeless however. The woman in "An Aged Woman" is not necessary impoverished by anything but age. ? What about W.C. Williams' poetry of the poor, the raped, etc.? (Or his stories like "A Night in June.") Or Sandburg's "Mag" etc.? ? Rukeyser has great poems about industrial abuse of workers &c. And Lerner (Tillie Olson) about the abuse of Mexican workers &c. Much proletarian poetry. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090303/d4fb2c76/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 03:03:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> Has anybody ever used Kindle 1 or already uses Kindle2? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindle#Kindle_version_2 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/9230cf59/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:44:42 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Hi Anny, I have had a Kinde 1 for a little over a year and I LOVE it. Especially for traveling. Before my residency for Spain, I loaded up books I needed and, instead of shipping a large box, I just hand-carried Kindle.? In the US, it also offers limited access to whisper net (a form of Internet) and in airports I can download (instantly) blogs and newspapers.?? You can also take notes IN the electronic books and look up vocabulary words. Although, for home use, I still admit I prefer books.? However, in the yard, at the beach, on my deck, the Kindle is great.?It's small, packable and, if someone has a long commute on a train or travels for work, it is ideal.? The screen is readable even in bright sunlight and looks surprisingly like a real page. I forget the technological term for it, but the Kindle pages are easier to read and more like "pages" than computer screens or laptops. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:03 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Has anybody ever used Kindle 1 or already uses Kindle2? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindle#Kindle_version_2 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/30516841/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 09:59:05 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60903040659h32101ffanda0842d9270ddc81@mail.gmail.com> I wonder: Do couples Kindle together? If so, is it known as Kindling? The name is marketing genius. Makes one think it'll hug back. - Jim On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Hi Anny, > > I have had a Kinde 1 for a little over a year and I LOVE it. Especially for > traveling. Before my residency for Spain, I loaded up books I needed and, > instead of shipping a large box, I just hand-carried Kindle. In the US, it > also offers limited access to whisper net (a form of Internet) and in > airports I can download (instantly) blogs and newspapers. You can also > take notes IN the electronic books and look up vocabulary words. > > Although, for home use, I still admit I prefer books. > > However, in the yard, at the beach, on my deck, the Kindle is great. It's > small, packable and, if someone has a long commute on a train or travels for > work, it is ideal. > > The screen is readable even in bright sunlight and looks surprisingly like > a real page. I forget the technological term for it, but the Kindle pages > are easier to read and more like "pages" than computer screens or laptops. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:03 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Has anybody ever used Kindle 1 or already uses Kindle2? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindle#Kindle_version_2 > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/bd9075a4/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 4 10:22:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> How much do they cost, Millicent. I'd love to have one--knew years ago that they would someday exist. But probably can't afford one. Are they rechargeable? They'd have to be, I would think. Any idea of the cost of running them--batteries and cost of electricity to recharge? --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:26:57 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: $359 w/ free shipping H On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > How much do they cost, Millicent. I'd love to have one--knew years ago > that they would someday exist. But probably can't afford one. Are they > rechargeable? They'd have to be, I would think. 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Are they >> rechargeable? They'd have to be, I would think. Any idea of the cost of >> running them--batteries and cost of electricity to recharge? >> >> --Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if the?hard-copy of a book on Amazon is?$25, the Kindle (instant) download for the same book might be $7--? some are more, some are less and there are a number of books which are free or nearly free (public domain classics, etc.) Unlike others, I don't feel compelled to recreate my library on Kindle. But, if I see a book I might enjoy or would have purchased as a paperback or might have waited for a used copy, I'm more tempted to get it for Kindle.? And, like a good bookstore, Kindle allows free downloads for "sample chapters."? So, if I am interested in a few books, I can download the free samples and pick the one I like Minuses?? The book selection is not as inclusive of poetry and literary books as I would like-- Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 7:26 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 $359 w/ free shipping H On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: How much do they cost, Millicent. ?I'd love to have one--knew years ago that they would someday exist. ?But probably can't afford one. ?Are they rechargeable? ?They'd have to be, I would think. ?Any idea of the cost of running them--batteries and cost of electricity to recharge? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Adaptive Language, a video poem, by Mary Ann Sullivan: http://www.towerjournal.com/egyptian2.html Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino http://eratio.blogspot.com e? From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 4 11:41:07 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com><8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><49AE9C A0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49AEAF23.3090803@nut-n-but.net> Halvard Johnson wrote: > $359 w/ free shipping > > H Phooey, out of my range. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 4 11:43:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6AF6C3A7BA79-13A4-22A@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com><8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><49AE9C A0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6AF6C3A7BA79-13A4-22A@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> Thanks for the answers, Millicent. Made me, alas, think of another problem besides the price for me: my computer would probably take forever to download a book. One of these days I'll upgrade, though--AND buy a Kindle. --Bob G. From millb at aol.com Wed Mar 4 11:50:30 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com><8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net><8CB6AF6C3A7BA79-13A4-22A@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Bob The Kindle has nothing to do with the computer.? Its downloads are nearly immediate.? It's a stand-alone tool Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 8:43 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Thanks for the answers, Millicent. Made me, alas, think of another problem besides the price for me: my computer would probably take forever to download a book.? ? One of these days I'll upgrade, though--AND buy a Kindle.? ? --Bob G.? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/1e1853d6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:05:11 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903040731q4b85b0f1ge1af6b16ce9e2c23@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70903040731q4b85b0f1ge1af6b16ce9e2c23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I know that, Anny. But I've never seen a live Kindle. Maybe one is in the offing for us. Who knows? I usually find enough to read online. Hal, wondering if there are kindlegartens yet On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thank you Millicent. I do think they are brilliant little tools. > > Hal, that is the price of Kindle 2, on the market since the end of February > 2009, if you wait a little, the price will undoubtedly drop. > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> $359 w/ free shipping >> >> H >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> How much do they cost, Millicent. I'd love to have one--knew years ago >>> that they would someday exist. But probably can't afford one. Are they >>> rechargeable? They'd have to be, I would think. Any idea of the cost of >>> running them--batteries and cost of electricity to recharge? >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/62e92c66/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:07:05 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6AF6C3A7BA79-13A4-22A@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Bob > > The Kindle has nothing to do with the computer. Its downloads are nearly > immediate. It's a stand-alone tool > > Cheers, > > Millicent > Sounds like me, Mill. I'm almost always stand-alone, and my downloads are nearly immediate. Hal -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/44ca3f30/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:07:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AE9CA0.6070409@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70903040731q4b85b0f1ge1af6b16ce9e2c23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903041007y2e442325l326c09836c8dfbed@mail.gmail.com> You Kindling Kindle! you meant Kindlegaltens, didn't you? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Oh, I know that, Anny. But I've never seen a live Kindle. Maybe one is in > the offing > for us. Who knows? I usually find enough to read online. > > Hal, wondering if there are kindlegartens yet > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > >> Thank you Millicent. I do think they are brilliant little tools. >> >> Hal, that is the price of Kindle 2, on the market since the end of >> February 2009, if you wait a little, the price will undoubtedly drop. >> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >>> $359 w/ free shipping >>> >>> H >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >>> >>>> How much do they cost, Millicent. I'd love to have one--knew years ago >>>> that they would someday exist. But probably can't afford one. Are they >>>> rechargeable? They'd have to be, I would think. Any idea of the cost of >>>> running them--batteries and cost of electricity to recharge? >>>> >>>> --Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> > > > -- > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/e098d917/attachment.html From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Wed Mar 4 13:30:55 2009 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] kind of Bunting-centered on Morden Tower A Strong Song Tows Us - Another History of English Poetry Message-ID: <61599.74.73.224.204.1236191455.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> e? Thanks, Cris http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hrsnj it's free for download up on the BBC Radio 4 website for the next 5 days only!! Totally totally highly recommended. A Strong Song Tows Us - Another History of English Poetry Synopsis: Lee Hall, writer of Billy Elliot and The Pitmen Painters, uncovers a hidden history of English poetry. Stretching back to the Dark Ages and emerging in 1960s Newcastle, Lee reveals an alternative tradition of English poetry as the preserve of ordinary working people. Sunderland cork cutters, shipyard workers and pit men encounter Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg and Ezra Pound. And how a meeting between a 16-year-old schoolboy and one of the great modernists of English literature, Basil Bunting, contributed to the flowering of the north east as an international destination for the whole Beatnik generation. Gregory http://eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/ e? From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 4 13:47:31 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com><8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><49AE9C A0.6070409@nut-n-but.net><8CB6AF6C3A7BA79-13A4-22A@FWM-D25.sysops.a ol.com><49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49AECCC3.3070105@nut-n-but.net> Millicent Accardi wrote: > Bob > > The Kindle has nothing to do with the computer. Its downloads are > nearly immediate. It's a stand-alone tool Ah, so you get CDs or the equivalent that you download? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without it, a burger's just another slab of meat with bread on top. Hal -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/91d61428/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 14:16:37 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cheeseburger Sonnet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903041116p7c3623dt913181b953943821@mail.gmail.com> What for a Title! On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Cheeseburger Sonnet > > Subtle gradations in flavoring as one moves from layer > to layer. First, white bread sprinkled with sesame seeds, > coated on the underside with (your choice) catsup, > mayo, or mustard. I'd opt for mustard nowadays, all > other things being equal. And then some relish or (my > call) sweet pickle slices and a square of white cheddar. > > In the center, a patty of hamburger meat--on the lean > side, if you please, and, let's say, medium rare--pinkish. > > The bottom layer is, as always, disappointing--just > the other half of the bun that the top layer of the burger > was the upper half of. *Sans* sesame seeds and tasty > slatherings of mustard, ketchup, whatever. And yet, it's > the base upon which all the rest is built. Without it, > a burger's just another slab of meat with bread on top. > > > Hal > -- > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/f7ef79e1/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 14:16:53 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cheeseburger Sonnet In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903041116p7c3623dt913181b953943821@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903041116p7c3623dt913181b953943821@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903041116n66c90d0an7517f521709748b@mail.gmail.com> opps, and a sonnet On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > What for a Title! > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Cheeseburger Sonnet >> >> Subtle gradations in flavoring as one moves from layer >> to layer. First, white bread sprinkled with sesame seeds, >> coated on the underside with (your choice) catsup, >> mayo, or mustard. I'd opt for mustard nowadays, all >> other things being equal. And then some relish or (my >> call) sweet pickle slices and a square of white cheddar. >> >> In the center, a patty of hamburger meat--on the lean >> side, if you please, and, let's say, medium rare--pinkish. >> >> The bottom layer is, as always, disappointing--just >> the other half of the bun that the top layer of the burger >> was the upper half of. *Sans* sesame seeds and tasty >> slatherings of mustard, ketchup, whatever. And yet, it's >> the base upon which all the rest is built. Without it, >> a burger's just another slab of meat with bread on top. >> >> >> Hal >> -- >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The way I figure, even if Kindle or Amazon goes out of business, as long as my Kindle works, I can use it--so I've been taking a chance with paying for the downloads with no CDs or hopes for a computer backup.? But, I have to admit that?I have mainly downloaded public domain classics and a maybe ten or twenty newish books, so my financial burden hasn't been very heavy. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:47 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Millicent Accardi wrote: Bob The Kindle has nothing to do with the computer.? Its downloads are nearly immediate.? It's a stand-alone tool Ah, so you get CDs or the equivalent that you download? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The books reside only on the Kindle (which I think can store 250 to 300 books at a time). There is also a free Kindle Library area at Amazon that stores books for you.?But, I've had mine a year and have not come close to filling the Kindle. The way I figure, even if Kindle or Amazon goes out of business, as long as my Kindle works, I can use it--so I've been taking a chance with paying for the downloads with no CDs or hopes for a computer backup.? But, I have to admit that?I have mainly downloaded public domain classics and a maybe ten or twenty newish books, so my financial burden hasn't been very heavy. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:47 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Millicent Accardi wrote: Bob The Kindle has nothing to do with the computer.? Its downloads are nearly immediate.? It's a stand-alone tool Ah, so you get CDs or the equivalent that you download? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a stand-alone tool > > Ah, so you get CDs or the equivalent that you download? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I now am straight on the Kindle. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 4 19:13:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: e-verse for March 4, 2009 In-Reply-To: <4253739.916871236167389850.JavaMail.root@ptmail1.pt.local> References: <4253739.916871236167389850.JavaMail.root@ptmail1.pt.local> Message-ID: <8CB6B3E4FC9D1BD-180-2F3@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Milkweed Editions To: jforjames@aol.com Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 6:49 am Subject: e-verse for March 4, 2009 Sent by: Milkweed Editions Reply to the sender ? Injunction Needles of rain. Ground makes no moan Wind-sigh in the sycamore. What's passing. Haw berries rusting the hawthorn hedges. Don't look back. Think Orpheus. Pillar of salt. One breath, then another. Sweat of apprehension. Still life with wind and breadcrumbs. But I keep wanting to turn around. No whimsy in it, staggering the gamut bright red. And as deadly, she said, as nightshade. Still you went on. Looking at her lips. Sea verge to cliff edge, no shaking off what shadows you. Seeing that rain-swollen torrent at Gurteen, you wanted to give yourself over to its foamy, stone-broken dissolution of salt. And then? What's not, she said, possible. Or was it a question? Even this rocky crevice where the wren is nesting. ?Eamon Grennan ? ? This Week in Poetry From e-verse Sunday, March 8th at 5:00 pm Rain Taxi Small Press Month C.A. Conrad, Aaron Kunin and Magdalena Zurawski Magers & Quinn Booksellers 3038 Hennepin Ave. S, Minneapolis MN ? ? ?To purchase a copy of Matter of Fact, please click here to purchase from Graywolf Press, or here to find your nearest BookSense bookseller. ? "Injunction" from Matte r of Fact, published by Graywolf Press. Copyright ? 2008 by Eamon Grennan. Used with permission from Graywolf Press. All rights reserved.? ? 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Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/9c14a98d/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 20:38:23 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6B400441A3ED-180-3A5@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AECCC3.3070105@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903041145u493e09a7ocbc0ec637dafe7a9@mail.gmail.com> <49AEE809.30704@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B400441A3ED-180-3A5@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: www.amazon.com That's the ticket. All Kindle titles on view, after a bit of scrolling. Hal On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > Without buying one, can you browse the available library? (Sorry if that > covered in the FAQs.) > Most of what I read are small/university press or OP books. Only > occasionally straying into the current titles, > so I'm not sure if the Kindle would be for me. > Finnegan > > ------------------------------ > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new > Email Toolbar now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090304/d6ac07be/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 22:35:25 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <49AECCC3.3070105@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903041145u493e09a7ocbc0ec637dafe7a9@mail.gmail.com> <49AEE809.30704@nut-n-but.net> <8CB6B400441A3ED-180-3A5@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0903041935r781bfdb4i419f729f2667c07f@mail.gmail.com> I don't like my kindle at all. For the way I read-- pencil or pen in hand-- it just doesn't work for me. Those things I do need to read that way are better on a device that can do something else (my iTouch, a netbook). And I like the physical nature of books so the electronic versions are at best a luxury, and with no discount when buying the physical book as well, it's not cost effective. I thought it would fill a niche for me with technology books and periodicals, but in the former case it doesn't work for my style and the search/bookmark/notes functions are pathetic. With periodicals, the ones tend to read are either those I want to keep or they are science and nature magazines and the display on the Kindle isn't up to it. And I don't like the page flash when turning. I find the form factor, even on the kindle 2 to be annoying (though thank god they figure out that buttons the length fo the unit aren't workable), etc. Many books I want aren't available on kindle anyway, though that may change (I hope not-- I want the kindle to die and be buried in a shallow grave as soon as possible). I'd definitely try one out before you invest the bucks. c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 5 09:22:13 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903041935r781bfdb4i419f729f2667c07f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903040003u7295492aofa836708141dcfa5@mail.gmail.com><8CB6AEEE3265B3F-564-201E@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><49AEAFCC.5040306@nut-n-but.net><8CB6B007630FE6B-13A4-81F@FWM-D25.sysops.a ol.com><49AECCC3.3070105@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830903041145u493e09a7ocbc0ec637dafe7a9@mail.gmail.com><49AEE809.30704@nut-n-but.n et><8CB6B400441A3ED-180-3A5@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <9b1b9dab0903041935r781bfdb4i419f729f2667c07f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFE015.8080600@nut-n-but.net> Good to hear the negatives--especially as I won't be able to afford a Kindle for a while, so appreciate knowing maybe it isn't the super thing I thought it was--so, thanks, Chris. But why would you want it to die instead of improve? Seems to me it shouldn't be long before we have something with perfection reproduction of pages--with a button that converts the page to a surface you can write or Photoshop on using an attached "pencil." Also a "page" that slides out from behind the regular page that you can write notes on. I should think Kindles of all sizes would be available, too. But I would want books always, too. They have defects that we've all adapted to but will also always have advantages over Kindles. --Bob From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 11:02:02 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors' "fixed" Dickinson's punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems. The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting (like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. That's from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dickinson?s punctuation and > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes > & Noble version of her poems. > > > > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me > confidence. > > > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an > author without telling which. > > > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, > not those who are concerned about the text they are getting (like writers > and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is > not overly concerned with its product. > > > > That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. > > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/9d1e6ef0/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Thu Mar 5 12:04:03 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.? when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential.? Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems.? ? The designation of Kindle Edition or Kin dle Book does not give me confidence. ? This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. ? Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting (like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. ? That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. ? -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/1467d9d6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:15:28 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to > see which edition you are getting. > > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair > amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. > > At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine over a > year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot > larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but > it does have potential. > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: Skip Fox > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even > tell > who'd done the translations. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: > >> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search >> and that they often give too little information about the books contents >> and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of >> Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of >> the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and >> capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes >> & Noble version of her poems. >> >> The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >> confidence. >> >> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an >> author without telling which. >> >> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, >> not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers >> and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is >> not overly concerned with its product. >> >> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. >> >> > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > ___________________ > ____________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/d4b96ff0/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 5 12:30:34 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "baiku" and other odd lots Message-ID: <8CB6BCF39835451-12DC-3C4@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> News of the Weird: Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") ?????? Chuck Shepherd ? Sun Feb 8, 12:00 am ET Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") LEAD STORY: Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") Poetry on the Rise: Twelve local poets jumped into the frigid Green Lake in Seattle in December, just because they thought it would be a good way to publicize their art. "It's not enough to write," said one. "You need that audience." [United Press International, 12-14-08] The Ontario Court of Appeal overturned the conviction of Antonio Batista in November, declaring that his "death threat" against a Missassauga city council member, in the form of a sonnet on long-neglected potholes, was more likely literary expression. [Globe & Mail, 11-5-08, National Post, 11-29-08] Jose Gouveia, 45, recently published "Rubber Side Down," a book of poems by bikers about the open road (including 17-syllable "baiku"), some from the educationally upscale Highway Poets Motorcycle Club of Cambridge, Mass. [Boston Globe, 10-21-08] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b437cfad/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Thu Mar 5 12:32:46 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Hi Hal You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.? when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential.? Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they o ften give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems.? ? The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. ? This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. ? Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. ? That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. ? -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ___________________ ___________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/6c704e45/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:46:38 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of a book you meant to buy. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Hi Hal > > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: Millicent Accardi > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to >> see which edition you are getting. >> >> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >> >> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine over >> a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot >> larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but >> it does have potential. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: Skip Fox >> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >> even tell >> who'd done the translations. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >> >>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems. >>> >>> The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>> confidence. >>> >>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an >>> author without telling which. >>> >>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>> >>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> ___________________ >> ____________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the >> Radio Toolbar >> ! >> > > > > -- > "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/bc11f17a/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:50:16 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60903050950l4205e015ga368ff070323d7b0@mail.gmail.com> IF it's true that Google will eventually (sooner, rather than later) have every published book in electronic form, then we just await the device that will tap into the data base and save your choices in a format much like Kindle's. I'd put my money on Apple for that device. I'll wait for that. - Jim On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search > and that they often give too little information about the books contents > and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of > Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of > the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes > & Noble version of her poems. > > > > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me > confidence. > > > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an > author without telling which. > > > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, > not those who are concerned about the text they are getting (like writers > and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is > not overly concerned with its product. > > > > That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/e9af467f/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Thu Mar 5 12:53:55 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through a book I may want to buy. . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapters is a very useful feature.? I actually LIKE being able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a book!? In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of a book you meant to buy. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Hi Hal You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on K indle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.? when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential.? Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems..? ? The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. ? T his is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. ? Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. ? That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. ? -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ___________________ ___________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! -- "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/60527446/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:06:30 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am alone. If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own and will continue to buy. Ye olde luddite, Jeff Newberry On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through a > book I may want to buy. > > . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a > university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle > book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and > sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in > the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a > book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: Millicent Accardi > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of > a book you meant to buy. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> Hi Hal >> >> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Or iginal Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: Millicent Accardi >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to >>> see which edition you are getting. >>> >>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>> >>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine over >>> a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot >>> larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but >>> it does have potential. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Skip Fox >>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>> even tell >>> who'd done the translations. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>> >>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>> >>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>> confidence. >>>> >>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>> an author without telling which. >>>> >>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>> >>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>> --Don Marquis >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________ >>> ____________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >> >> --Don Marquis >> < br> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the >> Radio Toolbar >> ! >> > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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Hal ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM Subject: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute *For Immediate Release March 5, 2009 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/foundation/announcements.html* *Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute* *Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute to consider distribution of poems through new media* CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine, is pleased to announce that as its first project the Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute (HMPI) will develop a set of "best practices" for implementing and elevating the profile of poetry through new-media platforms. A policy institute dedicated exclusively to issues of intellectual and practical importance to poetry, the HMPI has as its purpose to convene interested parties to identify issues and champion common solutions for the benefit of poets and the art form of poetry. Over the course of 2009, the HMPI will invite a panel of poets, publishers, and experts from the fields of media law and technology to examine issues related to the distribution of poetry through new-media platforms, with the aim of forging recommendations that both protect the intellectual property of poets and publishers and ensure a vigorous presence for poetry in all its forms on all available outlets. Consideration of the needs of poets and their publishers, and with them their audiences, will be a cornerstone in this initial Institute undertaking. As such, the project will include poets and publishers as essential stakeholders in the discussion, bringing them together with leaders from electronic media, media law, and other pertinent fields to create a model for new-media distribution of poems. Through this focus on poetry and its creators and publishers, the HMPI will also work to address the distinctive needs of poetry as an art form and to consider these needs in developing its recommendations about how best to bring poetry to audiences now being reached by new media. The project will concentrate not only on the current distribution of poems over the Internet but also on the evolving nature of technology and new media in order to develop recommendations that simultaneously serve varied electronic distribution platforms. Any resulting administration of generated ideas will be undertaken by a separate entity or entities. Katharine Coles, poet laureate of Utah, former head of the creative writing program at the University of Utah, and founding director of the Utah Symposium in Science and Literature, has been named the Institute's inaugural director. Members of the Institute's initial working group include: - *Michael Collier*, poet, professor, and poetry editor for Houghton Mifflin - *Wyn Cooper*, poet and lyricist - *Rita Dove*, poet, playwright, professor, and former U.S. poet laureate - *Cornelius Eady*, poet, professor, playwright, and co-founder of Cave Canem - *David Fenza*, executive director of the Association of Writers & Writing Programs - *Kate Gale*, editor, writer, and founder and managing editor of Red Hen Press - *Kimiko Hahn*, poet and professor - *Lewis Hyde*, poet, essayist, professor, and MacArthur Fellow - *Fiona McCrae*, publisher and executive director of Graywolf Press - *Robert Pinsky*, poet, critic, professor, translator, editor, and former U.S. poet laureate - *Claudia Rankine*, poet, playwright, and professor - *Alberto R?os*, poet and professor - *Don Selby*, co-founder of the *Poetry Daily* website - *Rick Stevens*, computer scientist and professor - *Jennifer Urban*, director of the Intellectual Property and Technology Law Clinic at the University of Southern California - *Monica Youn*, poet and counsel in the Democracy Program of the Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law For more information on the Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute, including full biographies of participants and more detail on the new-media distribution project, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. *** *About the Poetry Foundation* The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine and one of the largest literary organizations in the world, exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/59e63d9a/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 13:22:12 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I love the idea of 1,500 books in my book bag. Maybe I should take the time to learn to find which edition/translator, etc. I did search Robert Coover, William Gass, Rikki Ducornet, and Angela Carter to see if they might carry the type of contemporary novelist who is of great interest to me (who are just as good if not as popular as Cormac McCarthy), and found only one novel by Ducornet and a book on Carter (but none by). (They did have three novels and The Border Trilogy, another three, by McCarthy.) I plan to look deeper, Millicent, because the idea is so succulent, but am somewhat disappointed to date. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Millicent Accardi Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:04 AM To: halvard@gmail.com; new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors' "fixed" Dickinson's punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems. The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. That's from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ___________________ ____________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/230cb47f/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 13:23:50 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good points. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Millicent Accardi Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:54 AM To: halvard@gmail.com; new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through a book I may want to buy. . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of a book you meant to buy. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Hi Hal You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. Cheers, Millicent -----Or iginal Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors' "fixed" Dickinson's punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. =0 A The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. That's from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ___________________ ____________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/98829768/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Thu Mar 5 13:27:58 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Hey Jeff-- I'm a luddite as well!? No TV, no microwave. And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books (at least not now). Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I use it about 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read regular books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession) has not replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little shack in the canyon.? It's an additional tool that, for me, is surprisingly useful. For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a long commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading material along, it's a great, light-weight tool.? Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I needed for my writing project (those that were not avail thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a bank of book reviews and The New Yorker.? Since in EU whisper net is not available, I figured I would load up.? It made my trip a lot lighter!? And I felt rather stocked up on reading material in the airports I managed to be stuck inside. For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle is to a car. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Me?? I20doubt I'll ever own one of these things.? I'm still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. But I'm and odd duck.? I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and spacing.? I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like Borders or B&N.? I like picking up different books, paging through them, and skimming the contents.? I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated.? I like looking at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am alone. If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition to the books I own and will continue to buy. Ye olde luddite, Jeff Newberry On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through a book I may want to buy. .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapt ers is a very useful feature.? I actually LIKE being able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a book!? In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of a book you meant to buy. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Hi Hal You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. Cheers, Millicent -----Or iginal Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Millicent Accardi Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.? when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hun dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it does have potential.? Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: Skip Fox Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't even tell who'd done the translations. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to search and that they often give too little information about the books contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems...? ? =0 A The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me confidence. ? This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by an author without telling which. ? Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like writers and sch olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor which is not overly concerned with its product. ? That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be wrong. ? -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ___________________ ___________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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Auden _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/c739da87/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:30:05 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Another forest weeps. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and > spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and > skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am > alone. > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own and > will continue to buy. > > Ye olde luddite, > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through >> a book I may want to buy. >> >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: Millicent Accardi >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >> a book you meant to buy. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> Hi Hal >>> >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> >>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Millicent Accardi >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>> >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>> >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, >>>> but it does have potential. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Skip Fox >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>> even tell >>>> who'd done the translations. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>> >>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>>> >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>>> confidence. >>>>> >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>>> an author without telling which. >>>>> >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>> >>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>> wrong. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________ >>>> ____________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b3b8eb2e/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:34:04 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books too--especially the moldy ones--almost as much as I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and sound of its keys, the play of ambient light on the screen. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and > spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and > skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am > alone. > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own and > will continue to buy. > > Ye olde luddite, > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through >> a book I may want to buy. >> >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: Millicent Accardi >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >> a book you meant to buy. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> Hi Hal >>> >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> >>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Millicent Accardi >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>> >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>> >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, >>>> but it does have potential. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Skip Fox >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>> even tell >>>> who'd done the translations. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>> >>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>>> >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>>> confidence. >>>>> >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>>> an author without telling which. >>>>> >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>> >>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>> wrong. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________ >>>> ____________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>> ! >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >>> >>> --Don Marquis >>> < br> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the >> Radio Toolbar >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/905e4b55/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:36:55 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> Tell it to the textbook publishers . . . Jeff On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Another forest weeps. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. >> >> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and >> spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. >> >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like >> Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and >> skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. >> >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am >> alone. >> >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own >> and will continue to buy. >> >> Ye olde luddite, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through >>> a book I may want to buy. >>> >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >>> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >>> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >>> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Millicent Accardi >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >>> a book you meant to buy. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hal >>>> >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Millicent Accardi >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>>> >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>>> >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, >>>>> but it does have potential. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Millicent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>>> To: Skip Fox >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>>> >>>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>>> even tell >>>>> who'd done the translations. >>>>> >>>>> Hal >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>>>> >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>>>> confidence. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>>>> an author without telling which. >>>>>> >>>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>>> >>>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>>> --Don Marquis >>>>> >>>>> Halvard Johnson >>>>> ================ >>>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________ >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>> ! >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>> --Don Marquis >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/244a18f8/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:37:44 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903051037ue7f09c2p829597260fa11e33@mail.gmail.com> I suppose you've a point, Hal. You can romanticize anything. I'm not spoilin' for a fight. I see your point. Best, Jeff On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books too--especially the moldy > ones--almost as much as > I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and sound of its > keys, the play of ambient > light on the screen. > > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. >> >> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and >> spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. >> >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like >> Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and >> skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. >> >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am >> alone. >> >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own >> and will continue to buy. >> >> Ye olde luddite, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through >>> a book I may want to buy. >>> >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >>> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >>> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >>> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Millicent Accardi >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >>> a book you meant to buy. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hal >>>> >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Millicent Accardi >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>>> >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>>> >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, >>>>> but it does have potential. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Millicent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>>> To: Skip Fox >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>>> >>>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>>> even tell >>>>> who'd done the translations. >>>>> >>>>> Hal >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>>>> >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>>>> confidence. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>>>> an author without telling which. >>>>>> >>>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>>> >>>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>>> --Don Marquis >>>>> >>>>> Halvard Johnson >>>>> ================ >>>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________ >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>> ! >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>> --Don Marquis >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b15c3076/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:39:58 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mill, I think that you're probably right. I rarely go on long residencies or trips, so the Kindle may not be the best thing for me. However, I will admit that I lied a teensy bit: I do like technology quite a bit. I've a laptop and a desktop as well as a tv and a microwave and a Blackberry. So, my position on books is probably a bit hypocritical, but that doesn't mean that what I posted isn't true. Thanks for your thoughts on the Kindle. I appreciate hearing what you have to say. Best, Jeff On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Hey Jeff-- > > I'm a luddite as well! No TV, no microwave. > > And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books (at least not > now). > > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny posed a question > about the Kindle: it's great for travel and commuting and the backyard or > beach. I think I use it about 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read > regular books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession) has not > replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little shack in the canyon. > It's an additional tool that, for me, is surprisingly useful. > > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a long commute on > a train, and wants to take decent reading material along, it's a great, > light-weight tool. > > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I needed for my > writing project (those that were not avail thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). > I also downloaded literary blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a > bank of book reviews and The New Yorker. Since in EU whisper net is not > available, I figured I would load up. It made my trip a lot lighter! And I > felt rather stocked up on reading material in the airports I managed to be > stuck inside. > > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle is to a car. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newberry > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and > spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores like > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through them, and > skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a book I'd not > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I like looking > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that books have. > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am > alone. > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own and > will continue to buy. > > Ye olde luddite, > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing through >> a book I may want to buy. >> >> .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson >> To: Millicent Accardi >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >> a book you meant to buy. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >> >>> Hi Hal >>> >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> >>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> To: Millicent Accardi >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>> >>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>> >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>> >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, ther e is >>>> a lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or >>>> Gutenberg, but it does have potential. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Skip Fox >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>> even tell >>>> who'd done the translations. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>> >>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there trun cations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems... >>>>> >>>>> =0 A The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give me >>>>> confidence. >>>>> >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by >>>>> an author without telling which. >>>>> >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>> >>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>> wrong. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________ >>>> ____________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetr >>>> y >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>> ! >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >>> >>> --Don Marquis >>> < br> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard@gmail.com >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>> the Radio Toolbar >>> ! >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the >> Radio Toolbar >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/8c3e2fb6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:45:46 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At least the really big money is in used textbooks. The forest rejoices. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Tell it to the textbook publishers . . . > > Jeff > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Another forest weeps. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >> >>> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving for a >>> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that guitar is becoming >>> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. >>> >>> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a book--the >>> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight variances in font and >>> spacing. I guess because I edit a college magazine, I'm attuned to such >>> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. >>> >>> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge stores >>> like Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, paging through >>> them, and skimming the contents. I like the subtle surprise of finding a >>> book I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being captivated. I >>> like looking at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures that >>> books have. >>> >>> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe that I am >>> alone. >>> >>> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to the books I own >>> and will continue to buy. >>> >>> Ye olde luddite, >>> Jeff Newberry >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>> >>>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and leafing >>>> through a book I may want to buy. >>>> >>>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business not a >>>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like a mortar and pestle >>>> book store, but I think that being able to read or review a T of C and >>>> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I actually LIKE being able (in >>>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a >>>> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Millicent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>> To: Millicent Accardi >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>> >>>> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample chapters of >>>> a book you meant to buy. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Hal >>>>> >>>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't have a Kindle. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Millicent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Or iginal Message----- >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>>> To: Millicent Accardi >>>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>>> >>>>> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >>>>> >>>>> Hal >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample chapters on Kindle >>>>>> to see which edition you are getting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, there is a fair >>>>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) offered. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. when I got mine >>>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a few hundred books, now, there is a >>>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, >>>>>> but it does have potential. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Millicent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Halvard Johnson >>>>>> To: Skip Fox >>>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < >>>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >>>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't >>>>>> even tell >>>>>> who'd done the translations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hal >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to >>>>>>> search and that they often give too little information about the books >>>>>>> contents and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is >>>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a good >>>>>>> version of the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation >>>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text and as the >>>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her poems.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not give >>>>>>> me confidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says four novels >>>>>>> by an author without telling which. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of popular >>>>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned about the text they are getting20(like >>>>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor >>>>>>> which is not overly concerned with its product. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That?s from looking over the list for about an hour so I could be >>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>>>> --Don Marquis >>>>>> >>>>>> Halvard Johnson >>>>>> ================ >>>>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________ >>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>>> >>>>> --Don Marquis >>>>> < br> Halvard Johnson >>>>> ================ >>>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >>>> --Don Marquis >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get >>>> the Radio Toolbar >>>> ! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >>> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >>> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >>> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/61204750/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 13:48:12 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051037ue7f09c2p829597260fa11e33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C2F72ECF4A74779A38DF8C3851398D9@win.louisiana.edu> I?m of as many minds on this as on many things. I too, the smell, the feel of good paper. Yes, noting like a book, a cup of coffee, and a pencil! (I know you can write in Kindle?s margins, but can you draw? Can you make an exclamation point ??? tall? Etc.) Yet, 1,500 books in my car when I get stopped by a train. In the doctor?s waiting room. Hell, I?d take the book I was planning to read as well as the Kindle because I?m always thinking of correspondences or differences and wanting to see a certain passage, as from Melville?s ?The Birthing of the Whales,? a.s.a.p, plus course, some type of notebook. (I?ll bet many of us look strange in such waiting rooms. Always a book, a pad, and a pen or pencil, right?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/e3f3cb81/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 5 13:51:05 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B01F19.6070609@opus40.org> hypocritical but true is my favorite combination, next to beer and hamburgers. Jeff Newberry wrote: > Hi Mill, > > I think that you're probably right. I rarely go on long residencies > or trips, so the Kindle may not be the best thing for me. However, I > will admit that I lied a teensy bit: I do like technology quite a > bit. I've a laptop and a desktop as well as a tv and a microwave and > a Blackberry. So, my position on books is probably a bit > hypocritical, but that doesn't mean that what I posted isn't true. > > Thanks for your thoughts on the Kindle. I appreciate hearing what you > have to say. > > Best, > Jeff > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > Hey Jeff-- > > I'm a luddite as well! No TV, no microwave. > > And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books (at least > not now). > > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny posed a > question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and commuting and > the backyard or beach. I think I use it about 10-20% and, the rest > of the time, I still read regular books. At this point, my Kindle > (which a prized possession) has not replaced the thousands of > books that crowd my little shack in the canyon. It's an > additional tool that, for me, is surprisingly useful. > > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a long > commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading material > along, it's a great, light-weight tool. > > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I needed > for my writing project (those that were not avail thru Amazon, I > shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary blogs, the Irish > Times, the London Times and a bank of book reviews and The New > Yorker. Since in EU whisper net is not available, I figured I > would load up. It made my trip a lot lighter! And I felt rather > stocked up on reading material in the airports I managed to be > stuck inside. > > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle is to a > car. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newberry > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving > for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that > guitar is becoming more pipe dream and less something I'll > actually own. > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a > book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight > variances in font and spacing. I guess because I edit a college > magazine, I'm attuned to such qualities, though I doubt that I'm > alone. > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge > stores like Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, > paging through them, and skimming the contents. I like the subtle > surprise of finding a book I'd not hear of, picking it up off the > shelf, and being captivated. I like looking at covers and feeling > the different kinds of textures that books have. > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe > that I am alone. > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in /addition/ to the books I > own and will continue to buy. > > Ye olde luddite, > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and > leafing through a book I may want to buy. > > .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business > not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like > a mortar and pestle book store, but I think that being able to > read or review a T of C and sample chapters is a very useful > feature. I actually LIKE being able (in the quiet of my own > home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a book! > In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > > To: Millicent Accardi > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample > chapters of > a book you meant to buy. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > Hi Hal > > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't > have a Kindle. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Or iginal Message----- > > From: Halvard Johnson > > To: Millicent Accardi > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample > chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. > > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, > there is a fair amount of literary (new literary > fiction) offered. > > At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. > when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there > were a few hundred books, now, ther e is a lot larger > selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or > Gutenberg, but it does have potential. > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > > To: Skip Fox > > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books > and couldn't even tell > who'd done the translations. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox > > wrote: > > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes > are not easy to search and that they often give > too little information about the books contents > and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. > Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there trun > cations? I.e., are you reading a good version of > the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s > punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp > did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble > version of her poems... > > =0 A > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book > does not give me confidence. > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just > says four novels by an author without telling which. > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably > readers of popular fiction, not those who are > concerned about the text they are getting20(like > writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle > operation seems like a vendor which is not overly > concerned with its product. > > That?s from looking over the list for about an > hour so I could be wrong. > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > ___________________ > ____________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetr > y > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere > on the web. 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Auden > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:51:37 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute In-Reply-To: References: <20090305_164951_020367.info@poetryfoundation.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903051051p3dd96cd4o72c76780af7519f4@mail.gmail.com> Read it all, did my duty. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Note: If I'm a stakeholder in this discussion, I'll take my stake and find > some vampire heart > to drive it through. > > Hal > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM > Subject: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural > Project of Poetry Institute > > > > *For Immediate Release > March 5, 2009 > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/foundation/announcements.html* > > *Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute* > *Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute to consider distribution of poems through > new media* > > CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine, is > pleased to announce that as its first project the Harriet Monroe Poetry > Institute (HMPI) will develop a set of "best practices" for implementing and > elevating the profile of poetry through new-media platforms. A policy > institute dedicated exclusively to issues of intellectual and practical > importance to poetry, the HMPI has as its purpose to convene interested > parties to identify issues and champion common solutions for the benefit of > poets and the art form of poetry. > > Over the course of 2009, the HMPI will invite a panel of poets, publishers, > and experts from the fields of media law and technology to examine issues > related to the distribution of poetry through new-media platforms, with the > aim of forging recommendations that both protect the intellectual property > of poets and publishers and ensure a vigorous presence for poetry in all its > forms on all available outlets. > > Consideration of the needs of poets and their publishers, and with them > their audiences, will be a cornerstone in this initial Institute > undertaking. As such, the project will include poets and publishers as > essential stakeholders in the discussion, bringing them together with > leaders from electronic media, media law, and other pertinent fields to > create a model for new-media distribution of poems. > > Through this focus on poetry and its creators and publishers, the HMPI will > also work to address the distinctive needs of poetry as an art form and to > consider these needs in developing its recommendations about how best to > bring poetry to audiences now being reached by new media. The project will > concentrate not only on the current distribution of poems over the Internet > but also on the evolving nature of technology and new media in order to > develop recommendations that simultaneously serve varied electronic > distribution platforms. Any resulting administration of generated ideas will > be undertaken by a separate entity or entities. > > Katharine Coles, poet laureate of Utah, former head of the creative writing > program at the University of Utah, and founding director of the Utah > Symposium in Science and Literature, has been named the Institute's > inaugural director. Members of the Institute's initial working group > include: > > - *Michael Collier*, poet, professor, and poetry editor for Houghton > Mifflin > - *Wyn Cooper*, poet and lyricist > - *Rita Dove*, poet, playwright, professor, and former U.S. poet > laureate > - *Cornelius Eady*, poet, professor, playwright, and co-founder of Cave > Canem > - *David Fenza*, executive director of the Association of Writers & > Writing Programs > - *Kate Gale*, editor, writer, and founder and managing editor of Red > Hen Press > - *Kimiko Hahn*, poet and professor > - *Lewis Hyde*, poet, essayist, professor, and MacArthur Fellow > - *Fiona McCrae*, publisher and executive director of Graywolf Press > - *Robert Pinsky*, poet, critic, professor, translator, editor, and > former U.S. poet laureate > - *Claudia Rankine*, poet, playwright, and professor > - *Alberto R?os*, poet and professor > - *Don Selby*, co-founder of the *Poetry Daily* website > - *Rick Stevens*, computer scientist and professor > - *Jennifer Urban*, director of the Intellectual Property and > Technology Law Clinic at the University of Southern California > - *Monica Youn*, poet and counsel in the Democracy Program of the > Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law > > > For more information on the Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute, including full > biographies of participants and more detail on the new-media distribution > project, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. > *** > > *About the Poetry Foundation* > The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine and one of the > largest literary organizations in the world, exists to discover and > celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible > audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive > climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for > delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative literary > prizes and programs. For more information, please visit > www.poetryfoundation.org. > > POETRY FOUNDATION | 444 North Michigan Avenue | Chicago, IL 60611 | > 312.787.7070 > > Media Contact: Anne Halsey | 312.799.8016 | ahalsey@poetryfoundation.org If you no longer wish to receive emails from the > *Poetry* Foundation, please visit > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/unsubscribe.html > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like all those who are teachers here, every year there are tons of new books, and new books and new books. A set of kindles could solve at least the most urgent problems. Let alone the weight for those who travel. As it seems to me, Kindle is not perfect yet, but it will be quite soon - also because Amazon is an eager and rampant company, and I think that many of us are already looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:51 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > hypocritical but true is my favorite combination, next to beer and > hamburgers. > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Hi Mill, >> >> I think that you're probably right. I rarely go on long residencies or >> trips, so the Kindle may not be the best thing for me. However, I will >> admit that I lied a teensy bit: I do like technology quite a bit. I've a >> laptop and a desktop as well as a tv and a microwave and a Blackberry. So, >> my position on books is probably a bit hypocritical, but that doesn't mean >> that what I posted isn't true. >> >> Thanks for your thoughts on the Kindle. I appreciate hearing what you >> have to say. >> >> Best, >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Millicent Accardi > millb@aol.com>> wrote: >> >> Hey Jeff-- >> >> I'm a luddite as well! No TV, no microwave. >> >> And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books (at least >> not now). >> >> Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny posed a >> question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and commuting and >> the backyard or beach. I think I use it about 10-20% and, the rest >> of the time, I still read regular books. At this point, my Kindle >> (which a prized possession) has not replaced the thousands of >> books that crowd my little shack in the canyon. It's an >> additional tool that, for me, is surprisingly useful. >> >> For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a long >> commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading material >> along, it's a great, light-weight tool. >> Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I needed >> for my writing project (those that were not avail thru Amazon, I >> shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary blogs, the Irish >> Times, the London Times and a bank of book reviews and The New >> Yorker. Since in EU whisper net is not available, I figured I >> would load up. It made my trip a lot lighter! And I felt rather >> stocked up on reading material in the airports I managed to be >> stuck inside. >> >> For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle is to a >> car. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Newberry >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these things. I'm still saving >> for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, that >> guitar is becoming more pipe dream and less something I'll >> actually own. >> >> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral quality of owning a >> book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight >> variances in font and spacing. I guess because I edit a college >> magazine, I'm attuned to such qualities, though I doubt that I'm >> alone. >> >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are huge >> stores like Borders or B&N. I like picking up different books, >> paging through them, and skimming the contents. I like the subtle >> surprise of finding a book I'd not hear of, picking it up off the >> shelf, and being captivated. I like looking at covers and feeling >> the different kinds of textures that books have. >> >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to believe >> that I am alone. >> >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in /addition/ to the books I >> own and will continue to buy. >> >> Ye olde luddite, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: >> >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and >> leafing through a book I may want to buy. >> >> .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a business >> not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not like >> a mortar and pestle book store, but I think that being able to >> read or review a T of C and sample chapters is a very useful >> feature. I actually LIKE being able (in the quiet of my own >> home) to read sample chapters before I spend money on a book! >> In bookstores I always feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample >> chapters of >> a book you meant to buy. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi >> > wrote: >> >> Hi Hal >> >> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't >> have a Kindle. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Or iginal Message----- >> >> From: Halvard Johnson > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi >> > wrote: >> >> It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample >> chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. >> >> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, >> there is a fair amount of literary (new literary >> fiction) offered. >> >> At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages. >> when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there >> were a few hundred books, now, ther e is a lot larger >> selection. Now, Kindle is not the NY Public Library or >> Gutenberg, but it does have potential. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Halvard Johnson > > >> To: Skip Fox > > >> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> > > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 >> >> Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books >> and couldn't even tell >> who'd done the translations. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox >> > wrote: >> >> My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes >> are not easy to search and that they often give >> too little information about the books contents >> and/or edition) is exasperated with Kindle Books. >> Which edition is best of Moby Dick? Are there trun >> cations? I.e., are you reading a good version of >> the book, or have the editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s >> punctuation and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp >> did in a freshman text and as the Barnes & Noble >> version of her poems... >> =0 A >> The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book >> does not give me confidence. >> This is not a minor problem. >> Sometimes Amazon just >> says four novels by an author without telling which. >> Their customers for Kindle seem to >> be probably >> readers of popular fiction, not those who are >> concerned about the text they are getting20(like >> writers and scholars). And the Amazon Kindle >> operation seems like a vendor which is not overly >> concerned with its product. >> That?s from looking over the list >> for about an >> hour so I could be wrong. >> >> >> >> >> -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who >> isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> ___________________ >> ____________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetr >> y >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere >> on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" >> >> --Don Marquis >> < br> Halvard Johnson >> >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on >> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the >> web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them >> parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of >> particular people and experience, from which each according to his >> own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. >> --W.H. Auden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. >> Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > From: new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:42 PM > Send New-Poetry mailing list > submissions to > ??? new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > ??? new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ???1. Re: Kindle 2 (Millicent Accardi) > ???2. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > ???3. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > ???4. Re: Kindle 2 (Jeff Newberry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:58 -0500 > From: Millicent Accardi > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey Jeff-- > > I'm a luddite as well!?? No TV, no microwave. > > And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books > (at least not now). > > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny > posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and > commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I use it about > 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read regular > books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession) > has not replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little > shack in the canyon.?? It's an additional tool that, for > me, is surprisingly useful. > > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a > long commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading > material along, it's a great, light-weight tool.?? > > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I > needed for my writing project (those that were not avail > thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary > blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a bank of book > reviews and The New Yorker.?? Since in EU whisper net is > not available, I figured I would load up.?? It made my > trip a lot lighter!?? And I felt rather stocked up on > reading material in the airports I managed to be stuck > inside. > > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle > is to a car. > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newberry > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > Me??? I20doubt I'll ever own one of these things.?? I'm > still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in > this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and > less something I'll actually own. > > But I'm and odd duck.?? I like the visceral quality of > owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, > the slight variances in font and spacing.?? I guess > because I edit a college maagazine, I'm attuned to such > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are > huge stores like Borders or B&N.?? I like picking up > different books, paging through them, and skimming the > contents.?? I like the subtle surprise of finding a book > I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > captivated.?? I like looking at covers and feeling the > different kinds of textures that books have. > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > believe that I am alone. > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition to the > books I own and will continue to buy. > > Ye olde luddite, > Jeff Newberry > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and > leafing through a book I may want to buy. > > .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a > business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, > it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think > that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapt > ers is a very useful feature.?? I actually LIKE being > able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > before I spend money on a book!?? In bookstores I always > feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. > > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: Millicent Accardi > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample > chapters of > a book you meant to buy. > > Hal > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > > > Hi Hal > > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't > have a Kindle. > > > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Or iginal Message----- > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > > > > > > To: Millicent Accardi > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. > > Hal > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > > > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample > chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. > > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, > there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) > offered. > > At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.?? > when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > few hun > dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, > Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it > does have potential.?? > > > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: Skip Fox > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and > couldn't even tell > who'd done the translations. > > Hal > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox > wrote: > > > > > > > > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not > easy to search and that they often give too little > information about the books contents and/or edition) is > exasperated with Kindle Books.?? Which edition is best of > Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a > good version of the book, or have the editors??? > ???fixed??? Dickinson???s punctuation and > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text > and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems...?? > > ?? > =0 A > > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not > give me confidence. > > ?? > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says > four novels by an author without telling which. > > ?? > > > > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of > popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text > they are getting20(like writers and sch > olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor > which is not overly concerned with its product. > > > ?? > > That???s from looking over the list for about an hour > so I could be wrong. > > ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > ___________________________ > ew-Poetry mailing list > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > -- > > > > "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" > > > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > < br> Halvard Johnson > > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ew-Poetry mailing list > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/ > Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ew-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them > parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories > of particular people and experience, from which each > according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn > his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ew-Poetry mailing list > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/c739da87/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:30:05 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Another forest weeps. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > things.? I'm still saving for a > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, > that guitar is becoming > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > > > But I'm and odd duck.? I like the visceral > quality of owning a book--the > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight > variances in font and > > spacing.? I guess because I edit a college > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they > are huge stores like > > Borders or B&N.? I like picking up different > books, paging through them, and > > skimming the contents.? I like the subtle > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > captivated.? I like looking > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures > that books have. > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > believe that I am > > alone. > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to > the books I own and > > will continue to buy. > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > Jeff Newberry > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > bookstore and leafing through > >> a book I may want to buy. > >> > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is > a business not a > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not > like a mortar and pestle > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or > review a T of C and > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature.? I > actually LIKE being able (in > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > before I spend money on a > >> book!? In bookstores I always feel as if I am > sneaking around doing that. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Millicent > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Halvard Johnson > >> To: Millicent Accardi > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >> > >>? That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > money like sample chapters of > >> a book you meant to buy. > >> > >> Hal > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Hal > >>> > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If > you don't have a Kindle. > >>> > >>>? Cheers, > >>> > >>> Millicent > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>???To: Millicent Accardi > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>> > >>>? ? Very hard work--when you don't > have a Kindle, though. > >>> > >>> Hal > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > Accardi wrote: > >>> > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > download sample chapters on Kindle > >>>> to see which edition you are getting. > >>>> > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > popular novels, there is a fair > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) > offered. > >>>> > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > early stages.? when I got mine > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > few hundred books, now, there is a > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > >>>> but it does have potential. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Millicent > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>> To: Skip Fox > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,Views < > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>>> > >>>>???Quite so. I checked out > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > >>>> even tell > >>>> who'd done the translations. > >>>> > >>>> Hal > >>>> > >>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > Skip Fox > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>???My problem with > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > >>>>> search and that they often give too > little information about the books > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > >>>>> version of the book, or have the > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp > did in a freshman text and as the > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > poems.. > >>>>> > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition > or Kindle Book does not give me > >>>>> confidence. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes > Amazon just says four novels by > >>>>> an author without telling which. > >>>>> > >>>>>? Their customers for Kindle seem > to be probably readers of popular > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned > about the text they are getting20(like > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its > product. > >>>>> > >>>>> That?s from looking over the list > for about an hour so I could be > >>>>> wrong. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > isn't?" > >>>>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > >>>> > >>>> Halvard Johnson > >>>> ================ > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ___________________ > >>>> ____________________________ > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ------------------------------ > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > from anywhere on the web. Get > >>>> the Radio Toolbar > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>>? "A hypocri te is a person who--but who > isn't?" > >>> > >>>? ? ???--Don Marquis > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson > >>> ================ > >>> halvard@gmail.com > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>? ? > _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >>> > >>>? ------------------------------ > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on the web. Get > >>> the Radio Toolbar > >>> ! > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > >>? ? ???--Don Marquis > >> > >> Halvard Johnson > >> ================ > >> halvard@gmail.com > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >> > >> > >> > >>? > _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on the web. Get the > >> Radio Toolbar > >> ! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell > them parables; and > > that is what art really is, particular stories of > particular people and > > experience, from which each according to his own > immediate and peculiar > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b3b8eb2e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:04 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books > too--especially the moldy > ones--almost as much as > I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and > sound of its > keys, the play of ambient > light on the screen. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > things.? I'm still saving for a > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, > that guitar is becoming > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > > > But I'm and odd duck.? I like the visceral > quality of owning a book--the > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight > variances in font and > > spacing.? I guess because I edit a college > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they > are huge stores like > > Borders or B&N.? I like picking up different > books, paging through them, and > > skimming the contents.? I like the subtle > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > captivated.? I like looking > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures > that books have. > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > believe that I am > > alone. > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to > the books I own and > > will continue to buy. > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > Jeff Newberry > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > bookstore and leafing through > >> a book I may want to buy. > >> > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is > a business not a > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not > like a mortar and pestle > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or > review a T of C and > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature.? I > actually LIKE being able (in > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > before I spend money on a > >> book!? In bookstores I always feel as if I am > sneaking around doing that. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Millicent > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Halvard Johnson > >> To: Millicent Accardi > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >> > >>? That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > money like sample chapters of > >> a book you meant to buy. > >> > >> Hal > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Hal > >>> > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If > you don't have a Kindle. > >>> > >>>? Cheers, > >>> > >>> Millicent > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>???To: Millicent Accardi > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>> > >>>? ? Very hard work--when you don't > have a Kindle, though. > >>> > >>> Hal > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > Accardi wrote: > >>> > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > download sample chapters on Kindle > >>>> to see which edition you are getting. > >>>> > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > popular novels, there is a fair > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) > offered. > >>>> > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > early stages.? when I got mine > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > few hundred books, now, there is a > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > >>>> but it does have potential. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Millicent > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>> To: Skip Fox > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,Views < > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>>> > >>>>???Quite so. I checked out > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > >>>> even tell > >>>> who'd done the translations. > >>>> > >>>> Hal > >>>> > >>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > Skip Fox > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>???My problem with > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > >>>>> search and that they often give too > little information about the books > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > >>>>> version of the book, or have the > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp > did in a freshman text and as the > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > poems.. > >>>>> > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition > or Kindle Book does not give me > >>>>> confidence. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes > Amazon just says four novels by > >>>>> an author without telling which. > >>>>> > >>>>>? Their customers for Kindle seem > to be probably readers of popular > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned > about the text they are getting20(like > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its > product. > >>>>> > >>>>> That?s from looking over the list > for about an hour so I could be > >>>>> wrong. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > isn't?" > >>>>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > >>>> > >>>> Halvard Johnson > >>>> ================ > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ___________________ > >>>> ____________________________ > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ------------------------------ > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > from anywhere on the web. Get > >>>> the Radio Toolbar > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>>? "A hypocri te is a person who--but who > isn't?" > >>> > >>>? ? ???--Don Marquis > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson > >>> ================ > >>> halvard@gmail.com > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>? ? > _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >>> > >>>? ------------------------------ > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on the web. Get > >>> the Radio Toolbar > >>> ! > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > >>? ? ???--Don Marquis > >> > >> Halvard Johnson > >> ================ > >> halvard@gmail.com > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >> > >> > >> > >>? > _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on the web. Get the > >> Radio Toolbar > >> ! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell > them parables; and > > that is what art really is, particular stories of > particular people and > > experience, from which each according to his own > immediate and peculiar > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/905e4b55/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:36:55 -0500 > From: Jeff Newberry > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > To: halvard@gmail.com, > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > ??? Views" > Message-ID: > ??? <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Tell it to the textbook publishers . . . > > Jeff > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson > wrote: > > > Another forest weeps. > > > > Hal > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > >> Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > things.? I'm still saving for a > >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this > economy, that guitar is becoming > >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually > own. > >> > >> But I'm and odd duck.? I like the visceral > quality of owning a book--the > >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the > slight variances in font and > >> spacing.? I guess because I edit a college > magazine, I'm attuned to such > >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > >> > >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if > they are huge stores like > >> Borders or B&N.? I like picking up > different books, paging through them, and > >> skimming the contents.? I like the subtle > surprise of finding a book I'd not > >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > captivated.? I like looking > >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of > textures that books have. > >> > >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I > refuse to believe that I am > >> alone. > >> > >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in > *addition* to the books I own > >> and will continue to buy. > >> > >> Ye olde luddite, > >> Jeff Newberry > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > >> > >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > bookstore and leafing through > >>> a book I may want to buy. > >>> > >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon > is a business not a > >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's > not like a mortar and pestle > >>> book store, but I think that being able to > read or review a T of C and > >>> sample chapters is a very useful > feature.? I actually LIKE being able (in > >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample > chapters before I spend money on a > >>> book!? In bookstores I always feel as if > I am sneaking around doing that. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Millicent > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>> To: Millicent Accardi > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>> > >>>? That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > money like sample chapters of > >>> a book you meant to buy. > >>> > >>> Hal > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent > Accardi wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Hal > >>>> > >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. > If you don't have a Kindle. > >>>> > >>>>? Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Millicent > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Or iginal Message----- > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>>???To: Millicent Accardi > > >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>>> > >>>>? ? Very hard work--when you > don't have a Kindle, though. > >>>> > >>>> Hal > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > Accardi wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > download sample chapters on Kindle > >>>>> to see which edition you are getting. > >>>>> > >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > popular novels, there is a fair > >>>>> amount of literary (new literary > fiction) offered. > >>>>> > >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > early stages.? when I got mine > >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there > were a few hundred books, now, there is a > >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is > not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > >>>>> but it does have potential. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Millicent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>>>> To: Skip Fox > >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry > News &,Views < > >>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > >>>>> > >>>>>???Quite so. I checked > out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > >>>>> even tell > >>>>> who'd done the translations. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hal > >>>>> > >>>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > Skip Fox > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>???My problem with > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > >>>>>> search and that they often give > too little information about the books > >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is > >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > >>>>>> version of the book, or have the > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and > Arp did in a freshman text and as the > >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > poems.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle > Edition or Kindle Book does not give me > >>>>>> confidence. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is not a minor problem. > Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by > >>>>>> an author without telling which. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>? Their customers for Kindle > seem to be probably readers of popular > >>>>>> fiction, not those who are > concerned about the text they are getting20(like > >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the > Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor > >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with > its product. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That?s from looking over the > list for about an hour so I could be > >>>>>> wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > isn't?" > >>>>>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > >>>>> > >>>>> Halvard Johnson > >>>>> ================ > >>>>> halvard@gmail.com > >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>? ___________________ > >>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>? ------------------------------ > >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > anytime from anywhere on the web. Get > >>>>> the Radio Toolbar > >>>>> ! > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>>? "A hypocri te is a person who--but > who isn't?" > >>>> > >>>>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson > >>>> ================ > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? > _______________________________________________ > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ------------------------------ > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > from anywhere on the web. Get > >>>> the Radio Toolbar > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > >>>? ? ???--Don Marquis > >>> > >>> Halvard Johnson > >>> ================ > >>> halvard@gmail.com > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>? > _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on the web. Get > >>> the Radio Toolbar > >>> ! > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing list > >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only > tell them parables; and > >> that is what art really is, particular stories of > particular people and > >> experience, from which each according to his own > immediate and peculiar > >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > >? ? ???--Don Marquis > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them > parables; and that > is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate > and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/244a18f8/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > ***************************************** > From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:12:17 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, get off digest mode. Be weller. Hal On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > Hey-- > > Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, see below. I cannot > even tell what the new messages are. > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu < > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu> wrote: > > > From: new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu < > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:42 PM > > Send New-Poetry mailing list > > submissions to > > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > > to > > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific > > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Kindle 2 (Millicent Accardi) > > 2. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > > 3. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > > 4. Re: Kindle 2 (Jeff Newberry) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:58 -0500 > > From: Millicent Accardi > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hey Jeff-- > > > > I'm a luddite as well!? No TV, no microwave. > > > > And I have to agree with you that nothing replaces books > > (at least not now). > > > > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion when Anny > > posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for travel and > > commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I use it about > > 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read regular > > books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized possession) > > has not replaced the thousands of books that crowd my little > > shack in the canyon.? It's an additional tool that, for > > me, is surprisingly useful. > > > > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or who has a > > long commute on a train, and wants to take decent reading > > material along, it's a great, light-weight tool.? > > > > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the books I > > needed for my writing project (those that were not avail > > thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also downloaded literary > > blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a bank of book > > reviews and The New Yorker.? Since in EU whisper net is > > not available, I figured I would load up.? It made my > > trip a lot lighter!? And I felt rather stocked up on > > reading material in the airports I managed to be stuck > > inside. > > > > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as a bicycle > > is to a car. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Millicent > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Newberry > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > Me?? I20doubt I'll ever own one of these things.? I'm > > still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in > > this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe dream and > > less something I'll actually own. > > > > But I'm and odd duck.? I like the visceral quality of > > owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, > > the slight variances in font and spacing.? I guess > > because I edit a college maagazine, I'm attuned to such > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they are > > huge stores like Borders or B&N.? I like picking up > > different books, paging through them, and skimming the > > contents.? I like the subtle surprise of finding a book > > I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > > captivated.? I like looking at covers and feeling the > > different kinds of textures that books have. > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > > believe that I am alone. > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition to the > > books I own and will continue to buy. > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > > > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a bookstore and > > leafing through a book I may want to buy. > > > > .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is a > > business not a university and needs to make money. Yeah, > > it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but I think > > that being able to read or review a T of C and sample chapt > > ers is a very useful feature.? I actually LIKE being > > able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > > before I spend money on a book!? In bookstores I always > > feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Millicent > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Halvard Johnson > > To: Millicent Accardi > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money like sample > > chapters of > > a book you meant to buy. > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Hal > > > > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you don't > > have a Kindle. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Millicent > > > > > > -----Or iginal Message----- > > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Millicent Accardi > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, though. > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent Accardi > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download sample > > chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are getting. > > > > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular novels, > > there is a fair amount of literary (new literary fiction) > > offered. > > > > At this point, Kindle is still in the early stages.? > > when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > > few hun > > dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. Now, > > Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, but it > > does have potential.? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Millicent > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Halvard Johnson > > To: Skip Fox > > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle books and > > couldn't even tell > > who'd done the translations. > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not > > easy to search and that they often give too little > > information about the books contents and/or edition) is > > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which edition is best of > > Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you reading a > > good version of the book, or have the editors??? > > ???fixed??? Dickinson???s punctuation and > > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a freshman text > > and as the Barnes & Noble version of her poems...? > > > > ? > > =0 A > > > > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book does not > > give me confidence. > > > > ? > > > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon just says > > four novels by an author without telling which. > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably readers of > > popular fiction, not those who are concerned about the text > > they are getting20(like writers and sch > > olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > which is not overly concerned with its product. > > > > > > ? > > > > That???s from looking over the list for about an hour > > so I could be wrong. > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > ___________________________ > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" > > > > > > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > < br> Halvard Johnson > > > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/ > > Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them > > parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories > > of particular people and experience, from which each > > according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn > > his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/c739da87/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:30:05 -0600 > > From: Halvard Johnson > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > &, Views" > > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Another forest weeps. > > > > Hal > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry >wrote: > > > > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > > things. I'm still saving for a > > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, > > that guitar is becoming > > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > > > > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral > > quality of owning a book--the > > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight > > variances in font and > > > spacing. I guess because I edit a college > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they > > are huge stores like > > > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different > > books, paging through them, and > > > skimming the contents. I like the subtle > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > > captivated. I like looking > > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures > > that books have. > > > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > > believe that I am > > > alone. > > > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to > > the books I own and > > > will continue to buy. > > > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > > bookstore and leafing through > > >> a book I may want to buy. > > >> > > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is > > a business not a > > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not > > like a mortar and pestle > > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or > > review a T of C and > > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I > > actually LIKE being able (in > > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > > before I spend money on a > > >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am > > sneaking around doing that. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Millicent > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Halvard Johnson > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >> > > >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > > money like sample chapters of > > >> a book you meant to buy. > > >> > > >> Hal > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Hal > > >>> > > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If > > you don't have a Kindle. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Millicent > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>> To: Millicent Accardi > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>> > > >>> Very hard work--when you don't > > have a Kindle, though. > > >>> > > >>> Hal > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > > Accardi wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > >>>> to see which edition you are getting. > > >>>> > > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > > popular novels, there is a fair > > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) > > offered. > > >>>> > > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > > early stages. when I got mine > > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > > few hundred books, now, there is a > > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not > > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > >>>> but it does have potential. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> > > >>>> Millicent > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>>> To: Skip Fox > > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > &,Views < > > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>>> > > >>>> Quite so. I checked out > > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > >>>> even tell > > >>>> who'd done the translations. > > >>>> > > >>>> Hal > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > > Skip Fox > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> My problem with > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > > >>>>> search and that they often give too > > little information about the books > > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is > > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > >>>>> version of the book, or have the > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp > > did in a freshman text and as the > > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > > poems.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition > > or Kindle Book does not give me > > >>>>> confidence. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes > > Amazon just says four novels by > > >>>>> an author without telling which. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem > > to be probably readers of popular > > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned > > about the text they are getting20(like > > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon > > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its > > product. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> That?s from looking over the list > > for about an hour so I could be > > >>>>> wrong. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > > isn't?" > > >>>> --Don > > Marquis > > >>>> > > >>>> Halvard Johnson > > >>>> ================ > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ___________________ > > >>>> ____________________________ > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------ > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > > from anywhere on the web. Get > > >>>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who > > isn't?" > > >>> > > >>> --Don Marquis > > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson > > >>> ================ > > >>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------ > > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > > anywhere on the web. Get > > >>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>> ! > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > >> --Don Marquis > > >> > > >> Halvard Johnson > > >> ================ > > >> halvard@gmail.com > > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > > anywhere on the web. Get the > > >> Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >> ! > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> New-Poetry mailing list > > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell > > them parables; and > > > that is what art really is, particular stories of > > particular people and > > > experience, from which each according to his own > > immediate and peculiar > > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > --Don Marquis > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b3b8eb2e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:04 -0600 > > From: Halvard Johnson > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > &, Views" > > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books > > too--especially the moldy > > ones--almost as much as > > I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, the feel and > > sound of its > > keys, the play of ambient > > light on the screen. > > > > Hal > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry >wrote: > > > > > Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > > things. I'm still saving for a > > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this economy, > > that guitar is becoming > > > more pipe dream and less something I'll actually own. > > > > > > But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral > > quality of owning a book--the > > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the slight > > variances in font and > > > spacing. I guess because I edit a college > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if they > > are huge stores like > > > Borders or B&N. I like picking up different > > books, paging through them, and > > > skimming the contents. I like the subtle > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > > captivated. I like looking > > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of textures > > that books have. > > > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I refuse to > > believe that I am > > > alone. > > > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in *addition* to > > the books I own and > > > will continue to buy. > > > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > > bookstore and leafing through > > >> a book I may want to buy. > > >> > > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon is > > a business not a > > >> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's not > > like a mortar and pestle > > >> book store, but I think that being able to read or > > review a T of C and > > >> sample chapters is a very useful feature. I > > actually LIKE being able (in > > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample chapters > > before I spend money on a > > >> book! In bookstores I always feel as if I am > > sneaking around doing that. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Millicent > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Halvard Johnson > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >> > > >> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > > money like sample chapters of > > >> a book you meant to buy. > > >> > > >> Hal > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent Accardi > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Hal > > >>> > > >>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If > > you don't have a Kindle. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Millicent > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>> To: Millicent Accardi > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>> > > >>> Very hard work--when you don't > > have a Kindle, though. > > >>> > > >>> Hal > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > > Accardi wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > >>>> to see which edition you are getting. > > >>>> > > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > > popular novels, there is a fair > > >>>> amount of literary (new literary fiction) > > offered. > > >>>> > > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > > early stages. when I got mine > > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there were a > > few hundred books, now, there is a > > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is not > > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > >>>> but it does have potential. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> > > >>>> Millicent > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>>> To: Skip Fox > > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > &,Views < > > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>>> > > >>>> Quite so. I checked out > > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > >>>> even tell > > >>>> who'd done the translations. > > >>>> > > >>>> Hal > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > > Skip Fox > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> My problem with > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > > >>>>> search and that they often give too > > little information about the books > > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is > > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > >>>>> version of the book, or have the > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > >>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and Arp > > did in a freshman text and as the > > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > > poems.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle Edition > > or Kindle Book does not give me > > >>>>> confidence. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. Sometimes > > Amazon just says four novels by > > >>>>> an author without telling which. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Their customers for Kindle seem > > to be probably readers of popular > > >>>>> fiction, not those who are concerned > > about the text they are getting20(like > > >>>>> writers and scholars). And the Amazon > > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > >>>>> which is not overly concerned with its > > product. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> That?s from looking over the list > > for about an hour so I could be > > >>>>> wrong. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > > isn't?" > > >>>> --Don > > Marquis > > >>>> > > >>>> Halvard Johnson > > >>>> ================ > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ___________________ > > >>>> ____________________________ > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------ > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > > from anywhere on the web. Get > > >>>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but who > > isn't?" > > >>> > > >>> --Don Marquis > > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson > > >>> ================ > > >>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------ > > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > > anywhere on the web. Get > > >>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>> ! > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > >> --Don Marquis > > >> > > >> Halvard Johnson > > >> ================ > > >> halvard@gmail.com > > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > > anywhere on the web. Get the > > >> Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >> ! > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> New-Poetry mailing list > > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell > > them parables; and > > > that is what art really is, particular stories of > > particular people and > > > experience, from which each according to his own > > immediate and peculiar > > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > --Don Marquis > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/905e4b55/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:36:55 -0500 > > From: Jeff Newberry > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > To: halvard@gmail.com, > > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > > Views" > > Message-ID: > > <731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Tell it to the textbook publishers . . . > > > > Jeff > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson > > wrote: > > > > > Another forest weeps. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry < > jeff.newberry@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Me? I doubt I'll ever own one of these > > things. I'm still saving for a > > >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this > > economy, that guitar is becoming > > >> more pipe dream and less something I'll actually > > own. > > >> > > >> But I'm and odd duck. I like the visceral > > quality of owning a book--the > > >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the > > slight variances in font and > > >> spacing. I guess because I edit a college > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > >> > > >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if > > they are huge stores like > > >> Borders or B&N. I like picking up > > different books, paging through them, and > > >> skimming the contents. I like the subtle > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and being > > captivated. I like looking > > >> at covers and feeling the different kinds of > > textures that books have. > > >> > > >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I > > refuse to believe that I am > > >> alone. > > >> > > >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in > > *addition* to the books I own > > >> and will continue to buy. > > >> > > >> Ye olde luddite, > > >> Jeff Newberry > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent Accardi > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > > bookstore and leafing through > > >>> a book I may want to buy. > > >>> > > >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon > > is a business not a > > >>> university and needs to make money. Yeah, it's > > not like a mortar and pestle > > >>> book store, but I think that being able to > > read or review a T of C and > > >>> sample chapters is a very useful > > feature. I actually LIKE being able (in > > >>> the quiet of my own home) to read sample > > chapters before I spend money on a > > >>> book! In bookstores I always feel as if > > I am sneaking around doing that. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Millicent > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>> To: Millicent Accardi > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>> > > >>> That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you > > money like sample chapters of > > >>> a book you meant to buy. > > >>> > > >>> Hal > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent > > Accardi wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Hal > > >>>> > > >>>> You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. > > If you don't have a Kindle. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> > > >>>> Millicent > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>>> To: Millicent Accardi > > > > >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>>> > > >>>> Very hard work--when you > > don't have a Kindle, though. > > >>>> > > >>>> Hal > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > > Accardi wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> It may be a lot of work but you CAN > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > >>>>> to see which edition you are getting. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and > > popular novels, there is a fair > > >>>>> amount of literary (new literary > > fiction) offered. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> At this point, Kindle is still in the > > early stages. when I got mine > > >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky there > > were a few hundred books, now, there is a > > >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, Kindle is > > not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > >>>>> but it does have potential. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Millicent > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > >>>>> To: Skip Fox > > >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry > > News &,Views < > > >>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Quite so. I checked > > out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > >>>>> even tell > > >>>>> who'd done the translations. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hal > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, > > Skip Fox > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> My problem with > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy to > > >>>>>> search and that they often give > > too little information about the books > > >>>>>> contents and/or edition) is > > exasperated with Kindle Books. Which edition is > > >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are there > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > >>>>>> version of the book, or have the > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > >>>>>> and capitalization (as Perrine and > > Arp did in a freshman text and as the > > >>>>>> Barnes & Noble version of her > > poems.. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of Kindle > > Edition or Kindle Book does not give me > > >>>>>> confidence. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This is not a minor problem. > > Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by > > >>>>>> an author without telling which. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Their customers for Kindle > > seem to be probably readers of popular > > >>>>>> fiction, not those who are > > concerned about the text they are getting20(like > > >>>>>> writers and scholars). And the > > Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > >>>>>> which is not overly concerned with > > its product. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> That?s from looking over the > > list for about an hour so I could be > > >>>>>> wrong. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > > isn't?" > > >>>>> --Don > > Marquis > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Halvard Johnson > > >>>>> ================ > > >>>>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ___________________ > > >>>>> ____________________________ > > >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------ > > >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > > anytime from anywhere on the web. Get > > >>>>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>>>> ! > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> "A hypocri te is a person who--but > > who isn't?" > > >>>> > > >>>> --Don > > Marquis > > >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson > > >>>> ================ > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------ > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > > from anywhere on the web. Get > > >>>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > >>> --Don Marquis > > >>> > > >>> Halvard Johnson > > >>> ================ > > >>> halvard@gmail.com > > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------ > > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > > anywhere on the web. Get > > >>> the Radio Toolbar< > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > >>> ! > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> New-Poetry mailing list > > >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only > > tell them parables; and > > >> that is what art really is, particular stories of > > particular people and > > >> experience, from which each according to his own > > immediate and peculiar > > >> needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/fcb917e9/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:27:01 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648208b60903051127k1bef4102t8fa6f0d37ec11f44@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > Hey-- > > Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, see below. I cannot > even tell what the new messages are. > > Be well sshh . . . Tactilettes Kindling -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/3c6e5b7e/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:43:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <648208b60903051127k1bef4102t8fa6f0d37ec11f44@mail.gmail.com> References: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <648208b60903051127k1bef4102t8fa6f0d37ec11f44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903051143k2efdffefr7fe6766ac159c2b4@mail.gmail.com> You are right. It sometimes happens to me that I just do not have any time. I simply don't have time, and then I get caught up reading and I want to send in an answer... you know, something like _my voice_my voice_ or the urgency that yes, it was like that but not really. And time ticks away, so I just type in and hit the Send. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Baratier wrote: > >> >> Hey-- >> >> Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, see below. I cannot >> even tell what the new messages are. >> >> Be well > > > > sshh . . . Tactilettes Kindling > > > -- Jim > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/112c6a6b/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 14:51:17 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903051143k2efdffefr7fe6766ac159c2b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2088C53D4C204E48BAF7DBFEC81E99CD@win.louisiana.edu> Me too. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 You are right. It sometimes happens to me that I just do not have any time. I simply don't have time, and then I get caught up reading and I want to send in an answer... you know, something like _my voice_my voice_ or the urgency that yes, it was like that but not really. And time ticks away, so I just type in and hit the Send. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, James Cervantes wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Baratier wrote: Hey-- Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, see below. I cannot even tell what the new messages are. Be well sshh . . . Tactilettes Kindling -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/64780f39/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 5 14:54:47 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <484147.79679.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB6BE35F1411C9-12DC-DC7@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> That's an?ongoing problem on all lists via digest. A work-around for those of you on digest... Bookmark the Archive page?and do your reading there more easily (with 4 sort functions)... http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/ I'm on digest on a couple of lists, and I find it easier to read via the Archives. Especially during high traffic times. There might be a setting to auto truncate after so many message lines. I'll that check on my end. Jim Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/5bc8200a/attachment.html From editor at pavementsaw.org Thu Mar 5 15:24:16 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 Message-ID: <41809.47525.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> no! Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > From: new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:18 PM > Send New-Poetry mailing list > submissions to > ??? new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > ??? new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ???1. Re: Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, > Issue 8 (Halvard Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:12:17 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, > Issue 8 > To: editor@pavementsaw.org, > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > ??? Views" > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey, get off digest mode. > > Be weller. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > > > > Hey-- > > > > Everybody stop hitting the repeat / whole copy button, > see below. I cannot > > even tell what the new messages are. > > > > Be well > > > > David Baratier, Editor > > > > Pavement Saw Press > > 321 Empire Street > > Montpelier OH 43543 > > http://pavementsaw.org > > > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > < > > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > wrote: > > > > > From: new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > < > > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > > > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:42 PM > > > Send New-Poetry mailing list > > > submissions to > > >? ???new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, visit > > >? ???http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' > > > to > > >? ???new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > >? ???new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so > it is more > > > specific > > > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > >? ? 1. Re: Kindle 2 (Millicent Accardi) > > >? ? 2. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > > >? ? 3. Re: Kindle 2 (Halvard Johnson) > > >? ? 4. Re: Kindle 2 (Jeff Newberry) > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:58 -0500 > > > From: Millicent Accardi > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > Message-ID: <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > Hey Jeff-- > > > > > > I'm a luddite as well!?? No TV, no > microwave. > > > > > > And I have to agree with you that nothing > replaces books > > > (at least not now). > > > > > > Like I said at the beginning of this discussion > when Anny > > > posed a question about the Kindle: it's great for > travel and > > > commuting and the backyard or beach. I think I > use it about > > > 10-20% and, the rest of the time, I still read > regular > > > books. At this point, my Kindle (which a prized > possession) > > > has not replaced the thousands of books that > crowd my little > > > shack in the canyon.?? It's an additional > tool that, for > > > me, is surprisingly useful. > > > > > > For someone who travels or goes on residencies or > who has a > > > long commute on a train, and wants to take decent > reading > > > material along, it's a great, light-weight > tool.? > > > > > > Before I left for Spain, I downloaded most of the > books I > > > needed for my writing project (those that were > not avail > > > thru Amazon, I shipped in a box). I also > downloaded literary > > > blogs, the Irish Times, the London Times and a > bank of book > > > reviews and The New Yorker.?? Since in EU > whisper net is > > > not available, I figured I would load up.?? > It made my > > > trip a lot lighter!?? And I felt rather > stocked up on > > > reading material in the airports I managed to be > stuck > > > inside. > > > > > > For me the Kindle (at this point) is to books as > a bicycle > > > is to a car. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Millicent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jeff Newberry > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 am > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Me??? I20doubt I'll ever own one of these > things.?? I'm > > > still saving for a 1972 Fender Telecaster > Reissue, and in > > > this economy, that guitar is becoming more pipe > dream and > > > less something I'll actually own. > > > > > > But I'm and odd duck.?? I like the visceral > quality of > > > owning a book--the feel of the pages, the smell > of the ink, > > > the slight variances in font and spacing.?? > I guess > > > because I edit a college maagazine, I'm attuned > to such > > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, even if > they are > > > huge stores like Borders or B&N.?? I > like picking up > > > different books, paging through them, and > skimming the > > > contents.?? I like the subtle surprise of > finding a book > > > I'd not hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and > being > > > captivated.?? I like looking at covers and > feeling the > > > different kinds of textures that books have. > > > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I > refuse to > > > believe that I am alone. > > > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in addition > to the > > > books I own and will continue to buy. > > > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent > Accardi > > > wrote: > > > > > > It's the same thing (to me) as sitting in a > bookstore and > > > leafing through a book I may want to buy. > > > > > > .. . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, Amazon > is a > > > business not a university and needs to make > money. Yeah, > > > it's not like a mortar and pestle book store, but > I think > > > that being able to read or review a T of C and > sample chapt > > > ers is a very useful feature.?? I actually > LIKE being > > > able (in the quiet of my own home) to read sample > chapters > > > before I spend money on a book!?? In > bookstores I always > > > feel as if I am sneaking around doing that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Millicent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > To: Millicent Accardi > > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's great, Mill. Nothing can save you money > like sample > > > chapters of > > > a book you meant to buy. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Millicent > Accardi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Hal > > > > > > You can see sample chapters at Amazon too. If you > don't > > > have a Kindle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Millicent > > > > > > > > > -----Or iginal Message----- > > > > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Millicent Accardi > > > Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very hard work--when you don't have a Kindle, > though. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Millicent > Accardi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a lot of work but you CAN download > sample > > > chapters on Kindle to see which edition you are > getting. > > > > > > Although Kindle has a lot of blogs and popular > novels, > > > there is a fair amount of literary (new literary > fiction) > > > offered. > > > > > > At this point, Kindle is still in the early > stages.? > > > when I got mine over a year ago, I was lucky > there were a > > > few hun > > > dred books, now, there is a lot larger selection. > Now, > > > Kindle is not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > but it > > > does have potential.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Millicent > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > To: Skip Fox > > > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,Views > > > > > > Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite so. I checked out Chekhov among its Kindle > books and > > > couldn't even tell > > > who'd done the translations. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Skip Fox > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem with Amazon Books (that they sometimes > are not > > > easy to search and that they often give too > little > > > information about the books contents and/or > edition) is > > > exasperated with Kindle Books.?? Which > edition is best of > > > Moby Dick? Are there truncations? I.e., are you > reading a > > > good version of the book, or have the > editors??? > > > ???fixed??? Dickinson???s > punctuation and > > > capitalization (as Perrine and Arp did in a > freshman text > > > and as the Barnes & Noble version of her > poems...? > > > > > > ? > > > =0 A > > > > > > The designation of Kindle Edition or Kindle Book > does not > > > give me confidence. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > This is not a minor problem. Sometimes Amazon > just says > > > four novels by an author without telling which. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their customers for Kindle seem to be probably > readers of > > > popular fiction, not those who are concerned > about the text > > > they are getting20(like writers and sch > > > olars). And the Amazon Kindle operation seems > like a vendor > > > which is not overly concerned with its product. > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > That???s from looking over the list for > about an hour > > > so I could be wrong. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > > ================ > > > halvard@gmail.com > > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > ___________________________ > > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on > > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "A hypocri te is a person who--but who isn't?" > > > > > > > > > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > > > < br> Halvard Johnson > > > > > > ================ > > > halvard@gmail.com > > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on > > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > > ?? ?? ?? --Don Marquis > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > > ================ > > > halvard@gmail.com > > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/ > > > Home > > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from > anywhere on > > > the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only > tell them > > > parables; and that is what art really is, > particular stories > > > of particular people and experience, from which > each > > > according to his own immediate and peculiar needs > may drawn > > > his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ew-Poetry mailing list > > > ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/c739da87/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:30:05 -0600 > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > > &,? ? Views" > > >? ??? > > > Message-ID: > > >? ??? > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > > > Another forest weeps. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of > these > > > things.? I'm still saving for a > > > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this > economy, > > > that guitar is becoming > > > > more pipe dream and less something I'll > actually own. > > > > > > > > But I'm and odd duck.? I like the > visceral > > > quality of owning a book--the > > > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the > slight > > > variances in font and > > > > spacing.? I guess because I edit a > college > > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, > even if they > > > are huge stores like > > > > Borders or B&N.? I like picking up > different > > > books, paging through them, and > > > > skimming the contents.? I like the > subtle > > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and > being > > > captivated.? I like looking > > > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of > textures > > > that books have. > > > > > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I > refuse to > > > believe that I am > > > > alone. > > > > > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in > *addition* to > > > the books I own and > > > > will continue to buy. > > > > > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent > Accardi > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting > in a > > > bookstore and leafing through > > > >> a book I may want to buy. > > > >> > > > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, > Amazon is > > > a business not a > > > >> university and needs to make money. > Yeah, it's not > > > like a mortar and pestle > > > >> book store, but I think that being able > to read or > > > review a T of C and > > > >> sample chapters is a very useful > feature.? I > > > actually LIKE being able (in > > > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample > chapters > > > before I spend money on a > > > >> book!? In bookstores I always feel > as if I am > > > sneaking around doing that. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > >> Millicent > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > > > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > >> > > > >>? That's great, Mill. Nothing can > save you > > > money like sample chapters of > > > >> a book you meant to buy. > > > >> > > > >> Hal > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Millicent Accardi > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Hal > > > >>> > > > >>> You can see sample chapters at > Amazon too. If > > > you don't have a Kindle. > > > >>> > > > >>>? Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Millicent > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>???To: Millicent > Accardi > > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > >>> > > > >>>? ? Very hard work--when > you don't > > > have a Kindle, though. > > > >>> > > > >>> Hal > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, > Millicent > > > Accardi wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you > CAN > > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > > >>>> to see which edition you are > getting. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of > blogs and > > > popular novels, there is a fair > > > >>>> amount of literary (new literary > fiction) > > > offered. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still > in the > > > early stages.? when I got mine > > > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky > there were a > > > few hundred books, now, there is a > > > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, > Kindle is not > > > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > > >>>> but it does have potential. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Cheers, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Millicent > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>> To: Skip Fox > > > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry News > > > &,Views < > > > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle > 2 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>???Quite so. I > checked out > > > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > > >>>> even tell > > > >>>> who'd done the translations. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hal > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at > 10:02 AM, > > > Skip Fox > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>???My problem > with > > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy > to > > > >>>>> search and that they often > give too > > > little information about the books > > > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > > > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which > edition is > > > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are > there > > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > > >>>>> version of the book, or have > the > > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > > >>>>> and capitalization (as > Perrine and Arp > > > did in a freshman text and as the > > > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version > of her > > > poems.. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of > Kindle Edition > > > or Kindle Book does not give me > > > >>>>> confidence. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. > Sometimes > > > Amazon just says four novels by > > > >>>>> an author without telling > which. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>? Their customers for > Kindle seem > > > to be probably readers of popular > > > >>>>> fiction, not those who are > concerned > > > about the text they are getting20(like > > > >>>>> writers and scholars). And > the Amazon > > > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > > >>>>> which is not overly > concerned with its > > > product. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> That?s from looking over > the list > > > for about an hour so I could be > > > >>>>> wrong. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person > who--but who > > > isn't?" > > > >>>>? ? > ???--Don > > > Marquis > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Halvard Johnson > > > >>>> ================ > > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? ___________________ > > > >>>> ____________________________ > > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? > ------------------------------ > > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > anytime > > > from anywhere on the web. 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Get > > > >>> the Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >>> ! > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > isn't?" > > > >>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > > > >> > > > >> Halvard Johnson > > > >> ================ > > > >> halvard@gmail.com > > > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------ > > > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > from > > > anywhere on the web. Get the > > > >> Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >> ! > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> New-Poetry mailing list > > > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can > only tell > > > them parables; and > > > > that is what art really is, particular > stories of > > > particular people and > > > > experience, from which each according to his > own > > > immediate and peculiar > > > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. > Auden > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > >? ? ???--Don Marquis > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > > ================ > > > halvard@gmail.com > > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/b3b8eb2e/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:04 -0600 > > > From: Halvard Johnson > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > > > &,? ? Views" > > >? ??? > > > Message-ID: > > >? ??? > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > > > Forgot to mention, I like the smell of books > > > too--especially the moldy > > > ones--almost as much as > > > I love the warmly metallic smell of my laptop, > the feel and > > > sound of its > > > keys, the play of ambient > > > light on the screen. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff Newberry > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of > these > > > things.? I'm still saving for a > > > > 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in this > economy, > > > that guitar is becoming > > > > more pipe dream and less something I'll > actually own. > > > > > > > > But I'm and odd duck.? I like the > visceral > > > quality of owning a book--the > > > > feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, the > slight > > > variances in font and > > > > spacing.? I guess because I edit a > college > > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > > > qualities, though I doubt that I'm alone. > > > > > > > > I also like browsing in real bookstores, > even if they > > > are huge stores like > > > > Borders or B&N.? I like picking up > different > > > books, paging through them, and > > > > skimming the contents.? I like the > subtle > > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > > > hear of, picking it up off the shelf, and > being > > > captivated.? I like looking > > > > at covers and feeling the different kinds of > textures > > > that books have. > > > > > > > > I suppose that I'm an odd one, but (again) I > refuse to > > > believe that I am > > > > alone. > > > > > > > > If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be in > *addition* to > > > the books I own and > > > > will continue to buy. > > > > > > > > Ye olde luddite, > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Millicent > Accardi > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> It's the same thing (to me) as sitting > in a > > > bookstore and leafing through > > > >> a book I may want to buy. > > > >> > > > >> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. Yeah, > Amazon is > > > a business not a > > > >> university and needs to make money. > Yeah, it's not > > > like a mortar and pestle > > > >> book store, but I think that being able > to read or > > > review a T of C and > > > >> sample chapters is a very useful > feature.? I > > > actually LIKE being able (in > > > >> the quiet of my own home) to read sample > chapters > > > before I spend money on a > > > >> book!? In bookstores I always feel > as if I am > > > sneaking around doing that. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > >> Millicent > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >> To: Millicent Accardi > > > >> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > >> > > > >>? That's great, Mill. Nothing can > save you > > > money like sample chapters of > > > >> a book you meant to buy. > > > >> > > > >> Hal > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Millicent Accardi > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Hal > > > >>> > > > >>> You can see sample chapters at > Amazon too. If > > > you don't have a Kindle. > > > >>> > > > >>>? Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Millicent > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>???To: Millicent > Accardi > > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > >>> > > > >>>? ? Very hard work--when > you don't > > > have a Kindle, though. > > > >>> > > > >>> Hal > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, > Millicent > > > Accardi wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> It may be a lot of work but you > CAN > > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > > >>>> to see which edition you are > getting. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Although Kindle has a lot of > blogs and > > > popular novels, there is a fair > > > >>>> amount of literary (new literary > fiction) > > > offered. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> At this point, Kindle is still > in the > > > early stages.? when I got mine > > > >>>> over a year ago, I was lucky > there were a > > > few hundred books, now, there is a > > > >>>> lot larger selection. Now, > Kindle is not > > > the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > > >>>> but it does have potential. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Cheers, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Millicent > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>> To: Skip Fox > > > >>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry News > > > &,Views < > > > >>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 am > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle > 2 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>???Quite so. I > checked out > > > Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > > >>>> even tell > > > >>>> who'd done the translations. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hal > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at > 10:02 AM, > > > Skip Fox > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>???My problem > with > > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy > to > > > >>>>> search and that they often > give too > > > little information about the books > > > >>>>> contents and/or edition) is > > > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which > edition is > > > >>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are > there > > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > > >>>>> version of the book, or have > the > > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > > >>>>> and capitalization (as > Perrine and Arp > > > did in a freshman text and as the > > > >>>>> Barnes & Noble version > of her > > > poems.. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> =0 AThe designation of > Kindle Edition > > > or Kindle Book does not give me > > > >>>>> confidence. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is not a minor problem. > Sometimes > > > Amazon just says four novels by > > > >>>>> an author without telling > which. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>? Their customers for > Kindle seem > > > to be probably readers of popular > > > >>>>> fiction, not those who are > concerned > > > about the text they are getting20(like > > > >>>>> writers and scholars). And > the Amazon > > > Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > > >>>>> which is not overly > concerned with its > > > product. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> That?s from looking over > the list > > > for about an hour so I could be > > > >>>>> wrong. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> "A hypocrite is a person > who--but who > > > isn't?" > > > >>>>? ? > ???--Don > > > Marquis > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Halvard Johnson > > > >>>> ================ > > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? ___________________ > > > >>>> ____________________________ > > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? > ------------------------------ > > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > anytime > > > from anywhere on the web. Get > > > >>>> the Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >>>> ! > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>>? "A hypocri te is a person > who--but who > > > isn't?" > > > >>> > > > >>>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > > > >>> < br> Halvard Johnson > > > >>> ================ > > > >>> halvard@gmail.com > > > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>? > ------------------------------ > > > >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > anytime from > > > anywhere on the web. Get > > > >>> the Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >>> ! > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who > isn't?" > > > >>? ? ???--Don > Marquis > > > >> > > > >> Halvard Johnson > > > >> ================ > > > >> halvard@gmail.com > > > >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------ > > > >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime > from > > > anywhere on the web. Get the > > > >> Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >> ! > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> New-Poetry mailing list > > > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You cannot tell people what to do, you can > only tell > > > them parables; and > > > > that is what art really is, particular > stories of > > > particular people and > > > > experience, from which each according to his > own > > > immediate and peculiar > > > > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. > Auden > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > > >? ? ???--Don Marquis > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > > ================ > > > halvard@gmail.com > > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/905e4b55/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:36:55 -0500 > > > From: Jeff Newberry > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > To: halvard@gmail.com, > > > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > > >? ???Views" > > > Message-ID: > > >? ???<731bb17a0903051036v693f2a8bsa256516d640de4e8@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > > > Tell it to the textbook publishers . . . > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Halvard Johnson > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Another forest weeps. > > > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jeff > Newberry < > > jeff.newberry@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > >> Me?? I doubt I'll ever own one of > these > > > things.? I'm still saving for a > > > >> 1972 Fender Telecaster Reissue, and in > this > > > economy, that guitar is becoming > > > >> more pipe dream and less something I'll > actually > > > own. > > > >> > > > >> But I'm and odd duck.? I like the > visceral > > > quality of owning a book--the > > > >> feel of the pages, the smell of the ink, > the > > > slight variances in font and > > > >> spacing.? I guess because I edit a > college > > > magazine, I'm attuned to such > > > >> qualities, though I doubt that I'm > alone. > > > >> > > > >> I also like browsing in real bookstores, > even if > > > they are huge stores like > > > >> Borders or B&N.? I like picking > up > > > different books, paging through them, and > > > >> skimming the contents.? I like the > subtle > > > surprise of finding a book I'd not > > > >> hear of, picking it up off the shelf, > and being > > > captivated.? I like looking > > > >> at covers and feeling the different > kinds of > > > textures that books have. > > > >> > > > >> I suppose that I'm an odd one, but > (again) I > > > refuse to believe that I am > > > >> alone. > > > >> > > > >> If I ever owned a Kindle, it would be > in > > > *addition* to the books I own > > > >> and will continue to buy. > > > >> > > > >> Ye olde luddite, > > > >> Jeff Newberry > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, > Millicent Accardi > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> It's the same thing (to me) as > sitting in a > > > bookstore and leafing through > > > >>> a book I may want to buy. > > > >>> > > > >>> . . .Yeah, Kindle is not perfect. > Yeah, Amazon > > > is a business not a > > > >>> university and needs to make money. > Yeah, it's > > > not like a mortar and pestle > > > >>> book store, but I think that being > able to > > > read or review a T of C and > > > >>> sample chapters is a very useful > > > feature.? I actually LIKE being able (in > > > >>> the quiet of my own home) to read > sample > > > chapters before I spend money on a > > > >>> book!? In bookstores I always > feel as if > > > I am sneaking around doing that. > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Millicent > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>> To: Millicent Accardi > > > >>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 am > > > >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > >>> > > > >>>? That's great, Mill. Nothing > can save you > > > money like sample chapters of > > > >>> a book you meant to buy. > > > >>> > > > >>> Hal > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Millicent > > > Accardi wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hi Hal > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You can see sample chapters at > Amazon too. > > > If you don't have a Kindle. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? Cheers, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Millicent > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Or iginal Message----- > > > >>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>>???To: Millicent > Accardi > > > > > > >>>> Cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 9:15 am > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle > 2 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? ? Very hard > work--when you > > > don't have a Kindle, though. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hal > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, > Millicent > > > Accardi wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> It may be a lot of work but > you CAN > > > download sample chapters on Kindle > > > >>>>> to see which edition you are > getting. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Although Kindle has a lot of > blogs and > > > popular novels, there is a fair > > > >>>>> amount of literary (new > literary > > > fiction) offered. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> At this point, Kindle is > still in the > > > early stages.? when I got mine > > > >>>>> over a year ago, I was lucky > there > > > were a few hundred books, now, there is a > > > >>>>> lot larger selection. Now, > Kindle is > > > not the NY Public Library or Gutenberg, > > > >>>>> but it does have potential. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Millicent > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>> From: Halvard Johnson > > > >>>>> To: Skip Fox > > > >>>>> Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry > > > News &,Views < > > > >>>>> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > > >>>>> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 8:06 > am > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] > Kindle 2 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>???Quite so. I > checked > > > out Chekhov among its Kindle books and couldn't > > > >>>>> even tell > > > >>>>> who'd done the > translations. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hal > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at > 10:02 AM, > > > Skip Fox > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>???My > problem with > > > Amazon Books (that they sometimes are not easy > to > > > >>>>>> search and that they > often give > > > too little information about the books > > > >>>>>> contents and/or edition) > is > > > exasperated with Kindle Books.? Which > edition is > > > >>>>>> best of Moby Dick? Are > there > > > truncations? I.e., are you reading a good > > > >>>>>> version of the book, or > have the > > > editors? ?fixed? Dickinson?s punctuation > > > >>>>>> and capitalization (as > Perrine and > > > Arp did in a freshman text and as the > > > >>>>>> Barnes & Noble > version of her > > > poems.. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> =0 AThe designation of > Kindle > > > Edition or Kindle Book does not give me > > > >>>>>> confidence. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> This is not a minor > problem. > > > Sometimes Amazon just says four novels by > > > >>>>>> an author without > telling which. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>? Their customers > for Kindle > > > seem to be probably readers of popular > > > >>>>>> fiction, not those who > are > > > concerned about the text they are getting20(like > > > >>>>>> writers and scholars). > And the > > > Amazon Kindle operation seems like a vendor > > > >>>>>> which is not overly > concerned with > > > its product. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> That?s from looking > over the > > > list for about an hour so I could be > > > >>>>>> wrong. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> "A hypocrite is a person > who--but who > > > isn't?" > > > >>>>>? ? > ???--Don > > > Marquis > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Halvard Johnson > > > >>>>> ================ > > > >>>>> halvard@gmail.com > > > >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >>>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >>>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >>>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>? ___________________ > > > >>>>> > ____________________________ > > > >>>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>? > ------------------------------ > > > >>>>> Access 350+ FREE radio > stations > > > anytime from anywhere on the web. Get > > > >>>>> the Radio Toolbar< > > http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035> > > > >>>>> ! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>>? "A hypocri te is a person > who--but > > > who isn't?" > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? ? > ???--Don > > > Marquis > > > >>>> < br> Halvard Johnson > > > >>>> ================ > > > >>>> halvard@gmail.com > > > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > > >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > > >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp:// > > wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>? > ------------------------------ > > > >>>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations > anytime > > > from anywhere on the web. 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Auden > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/244a18f8/attachment.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > > > ***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > ? ? ? --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/fcb917e9/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > ****************************************** > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 5 15:27:52 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903051059u6e488303s45ab7d78074483a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> <49B01F19.6070609@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70903051059u6e488303s45ab7d78074483a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B035C8.5070308@opus40.org> And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue-email.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cira1 -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Mar 5 15:31:56 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "baiku" and other odd lots In-Reply-To: <8CB6BCF39835451-12DC-3C4@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6BCF39835451-12DC-3C4@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903051231s6dc91dfen5d8d7c6df0902ea0@mail.gmail.com> so death threats written as sonnets may deflect conviction? nice to know. you bad, Finnegan, vurrah vurrah bad Best, Judy a Harley devotee 2009/3/5 > News of the Weird: Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among > Harley-riding bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") > > Chuck Shepherd ? Sun Feb 8, 12:00 am ET > Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some > even write three-line "baiku") > > Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding bikers (and some > even write three-line "baiku") > LEAD STORY: Poetry enjoys a resurgence, especially among Harley-riding > bikers (and some even write three-line "baiku") > > Poetry on the Rise: Twelve local poets jumped into the frigid Green Lake in > Seattle in December, just because they thought it would be a good way to > publicize their art. "It's not enough to write," said one. "You need that > audience." [United Press International, 12-14-08] > > The Ontario Court of Appeal overturned the conviction of Antonio Batista in > November, declaring that his "death threat" against a Missassauga city > council member, in the form of a sonnet on long-neglected potholes, was more > likely literary expression. [Globe & Mail, 11-5-08, National Post, 11-29-08] > > > Jose Gouveia, 45, recently published "Rubber Side Down," a book of poems by > bikers about the open road (including 17-syllable "baiku"), some from the > educationally upscale Highway Poets Motorcycle Club of Cambridge, Mass. > [Boston Globe, 10-21-08] > > > ------------------------------ > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new > Email Toolbar now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Works for me, anyway. hypocrite but true Judy 2009/3/5 TheOldMole > And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue-email.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cira1 > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/fc098f51/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Mar 5 15:47:40 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute In-Reply-To: References: <20090305_164951_020367.info@poetryfoundation.org> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903051247r5f2d55bfp4f4cad1669d6d928@mail.gmail.com> Indeed. BTW, is it necessary to understand any of the Poetry Foundation's Announcement in order to apply for some money from its Inaugural Project? You might volunteer, Hal, to put their announcement in Hal-sonnet form, nah? Judy 2009/3/5 Halvard Johnson > Note: If I'm a stakeholder in this discussion, I'll take my stake and find > some vampire heart > to drive it through. > > Hal > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM > Subject: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural > Project of Poetry Institute > > > > *For Immediate Release > March 5, 2009 > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/foundation/announcements.html* > > *Poetry Foundation Announces Inaugural Project of Poetry Institute* > *Harriet Monroe Poetry Institute to consider distribution of poems through > new media* > > CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, publisher of *Poetry* magazine, is > pleased to announce that as its first project the Harriet Monroe Poetry > Institute (HMPI) will develop a set of "best practices" for implementing and > elevating the profile of poetry through new-media platforms. A policy > institute dedicated exclusively to issues of intellectual and practical > importance to poetry, the HMPI has as its purpose to convene interested > parties to identify issues and champion common solutions for the benefit of > poets and the art form of poetry. > > Over the course of 2009, the HMPI will invite a panel of poets, publishers, > and experts from the fields of media law and technology to examine issues > related to the distribution of poetry through new-media platforms, with the > aim of forging recommendations that both protect the intellectual property > of poets and publishers and ensure a vigorous presence for poetry in all its > forms on all available outlets. > > Consideration of the needs of poets and their publishers, and with them > their audiences, will be a cornerstone in this initial Institute > undertaking. As such, the project will include poets and publishers as > essential stakeholders in the discussion, bringing them together with > leaders from electronic media, media law, and other pertinent fields to > create a model for new-media distribution of poems. > > Through this focus on poetry and its creators and publishers, the HMPI will > also work to address the distinctive needs of poetry as an art form and to > consider these needs in developing its recommendations about how best to > bring poetry to audiences now being reached by new media. The project will > concentrate not only on the current distribution of poems over the Internet > but also on the evolving nature of technology and new media in order to > develop recommendations that simultaneously serve varied electronic > distribution platforms. Any resulting administration of generated ideas will > be undertaken by a separate entity or entities. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/90701976/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:50:23 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <49B035C8.5070308@opus40.org> References: <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> <49B01F19.6070609@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70903051059u6e488303s45ab7d78074483a4@mail.gmail.com> <49B035C8.5070308@opus40.org> Message-ID: <648208b60903051250u5d13ef5ckc4e15b9e0bc9c6be@mail.gmail.com> Exactly, and we're just one step away from a device more reader-friendly than the current i-Phone, and a couple of decades (probably less) from the holographic book that tracks your eye-movements/reading speed and "turns" the page for you, and of course its voice-activated assistant that records your notes. After a while, it will know you so well it will write your next book for you., edit it, and make it available to everyone via the device's clones. - Jim On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue-email.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cira1 > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Therefore it will definitely have a great impact on the world and I think others will follow in his footsteps in planning and hosting such unique events," Al Mughni added. Rawdha Al Haj, a Sudanese poet who has published five collections, was also present. Al Haj, who is also a TV presenter, said she regularly participates in cultural activities in the region. "I consider the Dubai International Poetry Festival a dream come true. It's a genuine miracle and victory for the power of the word and an indicator of a new cultural era of poetry and literature. [The festival] is an advanced idea that opens unlimited horizons of creativity and uniqueness." Al Haj said. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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An audience of 26 people gathered -- sitting on chairs, benches and the floor -- to listen to a poetry reading that focused on various paintings. "I wanted to bring together two worlds we inhabit, the world of language and the world that apprehends beauty through the eyes," Becker, who teaches English and women's studies, said in an interview after the reading. "The ekphrastic tradition showed me a path to that end." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090305/d448f01d/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 5 18:22:46 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <648208b60903051250u5d13ef5ckc4e15b9e0bc9c6be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <812F102829DE405E8C2270D339EA2E13@win.louisiana.edu> Again, "the entrance of clones"!!! (But no organs to harvest.) -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of James Cervantes Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:50 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 Exactly, and we're just one step away from a device more reader-friendly than the current i-Phone, and a couple of decades (probably less) from the holographic book that tracks your eye-movements/reading speed and "turns" the page for you, and of course its voice-activated assistant that records your notes. After a while, it will know you so well it will write your next book for you., edit it, and make it available to everyone via the device's clones. - Jim On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, TheOldMole wrote: And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue-email.html ?_r=1 &8cir&emc=cira1 -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(But no organs to harvest.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *James Cervantes > *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:50 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindle 2 > > > > Exactly, and we're just one step away from a device more reader-friendly > than the current i-Phone, and a couple of decades (probably less) from the > holographic book that tracks your eye-movements/reading speed and "turns" > the page for you, and of course its voice-activated assistant that records > your notes. After a while, it will know you so well it will write your next > book for you., edit it, and make it available to everyone via the device's > clones. > > > > - Jim > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > > And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue-email.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cira1 > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MARCH 2, 2009 Resisting the Kindle By Sven Birkerts Critic and essayist Sven Birkerts comments on what we lose in the page-to-screen transfer. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Mar 6 11:42:18 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kindle 2 In-Reply-To: <49B035C8.5070308@opus40.org> References: <8CB6BCB85326417-AA0-671@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BCF880C43F9-AA0-8B6@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6BD27C9F2086-AA0-A6B@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051006m5e30e855l695b61a652fe5db8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6BD73E621D03-AA0-CD9@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903051039v1b780205k497fcb4e12e299b5@mail.gmail.com> <49B01F19.6070609@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70903051059u6e488303s45ab7d78074483a4@mail.gmail.com> <49B035C8.5070308@opus40.org> Message-ID: I recently got an iPod iTouch. Have been exploring various ways to download free texts. I'm mostly thinking of having something handy when I'm stuck in airports, doctors' waiting rooms, etc. So I've been looking for poetry, and that means (mainly) copyright-free classics. (Kindle does offer some Best American Poetry volumes, I note, though they're not free.) There are a number of applications that are available, including now the Amazon/Kindle link-up. I "purchase" my free book on Amazon, then it is wirelessly downloaded to my iTouch automatically. Aside from Amazon/Kindle, the best application I've found is something called Stanza. The apps are free downloads on the iTouch, and then one can search for free stuff. Stanza's catalog includes the Project Gutenberg material, which is full of good things. Reading any text on the iTouch screen is, of course, not something you want to do for long. At least I don't. And the interfaces can be extremely annoying. iTouch certainly isn't a Kindle. But I've already downloaded a couple books by Frost as well as an edition of Keats plus Leaves of Grass--free--and will probably go hunting up more. Of course, I didn't buy the iTouch as a book reader. I use it for music, primarily--both my own & the many online radio streams I can pick up. And audio files of poetry: I hook it up to some portable speakers and play a lot of poetry aloud in my classes. I can check email with it, though sending is laborious on the minuscule keyboard. After that, it's my datebook, my pocket calculator, my address book, my pocket Google, my weathermap, etc. It's smaller than my old pocket datebook, too. Another of its advantages is that it's not a phone. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > And now, coming to an iPhone near you.... > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue- > email.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cira1 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM, wrote: > http://www.spicezee.com/articles/story24740.htm > Michelangelo: The love poet > > If I only love in you, my dearest lord, > that which you love in yourself, do not scorn. > Because one spirit has fallen in love with another.?- Michelangelo > Buonarroti > > The poetic side of the strange Renaissance sculptor and painter, who was > not just considered ugly but also bizarre as he would not refrain from > dissecting dead bodies to know human anatomy, and madly hammer his sculpture > screaming, ?Why don?t you speak to me??, is relatively unknown. > > > > ------------------------------ > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new > Email Toolbar now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090306/5c9ff4de/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 6 14:59:09 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Audio files of poetry? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CB6CAD25BAB75E-330-1797@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> Some of these links may be of use to you, Skip...if you have a piece of software that can rip the stream through your sound card, then you get almost anything... http://www.totalrecorder.com/productfr_tr.htm? Fishhouse... http://www.fishousepoems.org/poets.shtml Internet Poetry Archive... http://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/ Lannan Audio... http://www.lannan.org/lf/audio/lannan-archives/ Library of Congress... http://www.loc.gov/poetry/poetpoem.html Poetry Archive http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/home.do BBC... http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/poetry/outloud/index.shtml Poetry Foundation... http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/audio.html Salon Poetry Audio... http://dir.salon.com/topics/poetry_audio/ BOA audio... http://boaeditions.org/readings_literary_links/audioVideoClips.html LyrikLine... http://lyrikline.org/index.php?id=51&L=1 NewsHour Poetry... http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/entertainment/poetry/archive.html Yale Beinecke... http://webtext.library.yale.edu/xml2html/beinecke.ycalread.con.html -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 1:34 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Audio files of poetry? Audio files of poetry? ? The best places I know are ubu.com and Penn.Sound at http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/. All files free. Both are ?weighted toward the experimental, contemporary, avant garde and conceptual poetry files. Ubu has an ethnopoetics section with tapes of various groups performing their verbal ceremonies &c. Hundreds of hours of interesting works. ? ? Where are other places, especially free places, for audio files? ? ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8CB6CAD25BAB75E-330-1797@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6CAD25BAB75E-330-1797@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49B1AB6A.4080708@opus40.org> And some online magazines -- Cortland Review being one of the best -- do audio. jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Some of these links may be of use to you, Skip...if you have a piece > of software that can rip the stream through your sound card, then you > get almost anything... > http://www.totalrecorder.com/productfr_tr.htm > > Fishhouse... > http://www.fishousepoems.org/poets.shtml > > Internet Poetry Archive... > http://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/ > > Lannan Audio... > http://www.lannan.org/lf/audio/lannan-archives/ > > Library of Congress... > http://www.loc.gov/poetry/poetpoem.html > > Poetry Archive > http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/home.do > > BBC... > http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/poetry/outloud/index.shtml > > Poetry Foundation... > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/audio.html > > Salon Poetry Audio... > http://dir.salon.com/topics/poetry_audio/ > > BOA audio... > http://boaeditions.org/readings_literary_links/audioVideoClips.html > > LyrikLine... > http://lyrikline.org/index.php?id=51&L=1 > > > NewsHour Poetry... > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/entertainment/poetry/archive.html > > Yale Beinecke... > http://webtext.library.yale.edu/xml2html/beinecke.ycalread.con.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 1:34 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Audio files of poetry? > > Audio files of poetry? > > The best places I know are ubu.com and Penn.Sound at > http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/. All files free. Both are > weighted toward the experimental, contemporary, avant garde and > conceptual poetry files. Ubu has an ethnopoetics section with tapes of > various groups performing their verbal ceremonies &c. Hundreds of > hours of interesting works. > > > Where are other places, especially free places, for audio files? > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From millb at aol.com Fri Mar 6 18:22:20 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu><648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Hal, Perry Mason is on IMDB?? Now I know what I'm going to do this weekend: watch all 206 episodes (or as many as I can fit in) Thanks in advance!? What a find. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: James Cervantes Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Careful, Jim. I might have to sit you down to watch all 206 episodes of this-- with . . . natch . . . William Talman, aka Ham Burger: "Perry Mason" (206 episodes) The Case of the Restless Redhead (21 September 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Sleepwalker's Niece (28 September 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Nervous Accomplice (5 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Drowning Duck (12 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Sulky Girl (19 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Silent Partner (19 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Angry Mourner (2 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Crimson Kiss (9 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Vagabond Vixen (16 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Runaway Corpse (23 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Crooked Candle (30 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Negligent Nymph (7 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Moth-Eaten Mink (14 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Baited Hook (21 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Fan Dancer's Horse (28 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Demure Defendant (4 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Sun Bather's Diary (11 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Cautious Coquette (18 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Haunted Husband (25 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lonely Heiress (1 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Green-Eyed Sister (8 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fugitive Nurse (15 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the One-Eyed Witness (22 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Deadly Double (1 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Empty Tin (8 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Half-Wakened Wife (15 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Desperate Daughter (22 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Daring Decoy (29 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Hesitant Hostess (5 April 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Screaming Woman (26 April 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fiery Fingers (3 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Substitute Face (10 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Long-Legged Models (17 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Gilded Lily (24 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lazy Lover (31 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Prodigal Parent (7 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Black-Eyed Blonde (14 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Terrified Typist (21 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Rolling Bones (28 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Corresponding Corpse (20 September 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lucky Loser (27 September 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Pint-Sized Client (4 October 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Curious Bride (18 October 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Buried Clock (1 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Married Moonlighter (8 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Jilted Jockey (15 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of 'The Purple Woman' (6 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fancy Figures (13 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Perjured Parrot (20 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Shattered Dream (3 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Borrowed Brunette (10 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Glittering Goldfish (17 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Foot-Loose Doll (24 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fraudulent Foto (7 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Romantic Rogue (14 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Jaded Joker (21 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Caretaker's Cat (7 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Stuttering Bishop (14 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Lost Last Act (21 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bedeviled Doctor (4 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Howling Dog (11 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Calendar Girl (18 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Petulant Partner (25 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Dangerous Dowager (9 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Deadly Toy (16 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Spanish Cross (30 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Dubious Bridegroom (13 June 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Lame Canary (27 June 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Spurious Sister (3 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Watery Witness (10 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Garrulous Gambler (17 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Blushing Pearls (24 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Startled Stallion (31 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of Paul Drake's Dilemma (14 November 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Golden Fraud (21 November 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bartered Bikini (5 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Artful Dodger (12 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lucky Legs (19 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Violent Village (2 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger (credit only)? The Case of the Frantic Flyer (9 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Wayward Wife (23 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Prudent Prosecutor (30 January 1960) - District Attorney Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Gallant Grafter (6 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Wary Wildcatter (20 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Mythical Monkeys (27 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Singing Skirt (12 March 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Irate Inventor (28 May 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Flighty Father (11 June 1960) - D.A. Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Treacherous Toupee (17 September 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Credulous Quarry (24 September 1960) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fickle Fortune (21 January 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Angry Dead Man (25 February 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Blind Man's Bluff (11 March 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Difficult Detour (25 March 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Torrid Tapestry (22 April 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Violent Vest (29 April 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Duplicate Daughter (20 May 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Grumbling Grandfather (27 May 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Guilty Clients (10 June 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Jealous Journalist (2 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Impatient Partner (16 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Missing Melody (30 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Malicious Mariner (7 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Crying Comedian (14 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Meddling Medium (21 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Travelling Treasure (4 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Posthumous Painter (11 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Injured Innocent (18 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Left-Handed Liar (25 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Renegade Refugee (9 December 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Unwelcome Bride (16 December 1961) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Shapely Shadow (6 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Captain's Coins (13 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Tarnished Trademark (20 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Mystified Miner (24 February 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Crippled Cougar (3 March 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Melancholy Marksman (24 March 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Angry Astronaut (7 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Borrowed Baby (14 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Counterfeit Crank (28 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Ancient Romeo (5 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Promoter's Pillbox (19 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lonely Eloper (26 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bogus Books (27 September 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Capricious Corpse (4 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Playboy Pugilist (11 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Hateful Hero (25 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Dodging Domino (1 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Unsuitable Uncle (8 November 1962) - District Attorney Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Stand-In Sister (15 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Weary Watchdog (29 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fickle Filly (13 December 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Polka-dot Pony (20 December 1962) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Shoplifter's Shoe (3 January 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Prankish Professor (17 January 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Libelous Locket (7 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Two-Faced Turn-a-bout (14 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Surplus Suitor (28 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Golden Oranges (7 March 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lawful Lazarus (14 March 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lover's Leap (4 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Elusive Element (11 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Greek Goddess (18 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Skeleton's Closet (2 May 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Witless Witness (16 May 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Shifty Shoebox (3 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Deadly Verdict (17 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Decadent Dean (24 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Reluctant Model (31 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bigamous Spouse (14 November 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Festive Felon (28 November 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Badgered Brother (19 December 1963) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Accosted Accountant (9 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Capering Camera (16 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Ice-Cold Hands (23 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bountiful Beauty (6 February 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Garrulous Go-Between (12 March 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Woeful Widower (26 March 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Illicit Illusion (9 April 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Antic Angel (16 April 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Ugly Duckling (21 May 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Scandalous Sculptor (8 October 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Betrayed Bride (22 October 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bullied Bowler (5 November 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Wooden Nickels (10 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Blonde Bonanza (17 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Ruinous Road (31 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Frustrated Folksinger (7 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Thermal Thief (14 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Golden Venom (21 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Telltale Tap (4 February 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Lover's Gamble (18 February 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fatal Fetish (4 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Sad Sicilian (11 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Murderous Mermaid (18 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Careless Kitten (25 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Deadly Debt (1 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Gambling Lady (8 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Duplicate Case (22 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Wrongful Writ (6 May 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Mischievous Doll (13 May 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Laughing Lady (12 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fatal Fortune (19 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Candy Queen (26 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Impetuous Imp (10 October 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Carefree Coronary (17 October 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the 12th Wildcat (31 October 1965) - Hamilton Berger? The Case of the Wrathful Wraith (7 November 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Runaway Racer (14 November 1965) - Hamilton Berger? The Case of the Silent Six (21 November 1965) - Hamilton Berger? The Case of the Baffling Bug (12 December 1965) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Bogus Buccaneers (9 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Midnight Howler (16 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Vanishing Victim (23 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Golfer's Gambit (30 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise (13 February 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Twice Told Twist (27 February 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Avenging Angel (13 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Tsarina's Tiara (20 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Fanciful Frail (27 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Unwelcome Well (3 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Dead Ringer (17 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Misguided Model (24 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Positive Negative (1 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Crafty Kidnapper (15 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger? The Case of the Final Fadeout (22 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger? On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM, James Cervantes wrote: Yes, and he would probably object to the viral spread of that newly minted form, the halburger. - Jim On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: What? Birkerts still resisting anything later than the divine right of kings? I'm shocked. I'm very, very shocked. Hal On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM, David Graham wrote: Did anyone point out these dueling essays in The Atlantic? http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/index/dispatch ATLANTIC UNBOUND ARCHIVE Dispatches MARCH 5, 2009 In Defense of the Kindle By Matthew Battles A rare books librarian contends that the Amazon Kindle will promote the culture of letters, not undermine it. 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Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Fri, 3/6/09, TheOldMole wrote: > From: TheOldMole > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Reading - Tad Richards > To: "Alex Richards" , "India Richards" , "Wendy Loughlin" , "Caitlin Richards" , "Charis Keitelman" , "moviecritic@opus40.org" , "Peter Jones" , "Larry Audette" , "Michael Kaufman" , "Don Bell" , "Tad Richards" , "Molly Kaufman" , "Tom Johnson" , "Susan Rienzo" , "Fred Koller" , "Richard York" , "Daniel Helmstetter" , "Mike Connors" , "Tim Ingles" , "Karen Johnson" , "Robert Berner" , "Lynne Grayson" , "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" , "Michael S. Harper" , "Annette Basalyga" > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:19 PM > You'll > laugh! > You'll > cry! > > > And > after that, if you have nothing better to do, > > you'll head > for the Wednesday Night Poetry Series > at Molten Java Coffee Roasters, > Greenwood Ave. , > Bethel CT > featured > poet > Tad > Richards > > "The Tom Waits > of contemporary poetry" -- Nancy Willard > 7:30 > PM -- open mike > followed by feature reading > for > more info http://www.wedpoetry.net/ > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Mar 7 11:07:14 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Reading - Tad Richards In-Reply-To: <249945.79833.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <49B1D9CE.3000304@opus40.org> <249945.79833.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903070807p66693de5l15af523c453d6997@mail.gmail.com> He has so many broken legs, that Old Mole! Ah, but, yes, one more! Best, Judy 2009/3/7 amy king > > Break a leg, Tad! Sorry to miss it... > > Amy > > _______ > > > Amy's Alias > http://amyking.org/ > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, TheOldMole wrote: > > > From: TheOldMole > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Reading - Tad Richards > > To: "Alex Richards" , "India Richards" < > indiajr@gmail.com>, "Wendy Loughlin" , "Caitlin > Richards" , "Charis Keitelman" , " > moviecritic@opus40.org" , "Peter Jones" < > prjones@suddenlink.net>, "Larry Audette" , "Michael > Kaufman" , "Don Bell" , "Tad > Richards" , "Molly Kaufman" , > "Tom Johnson" , "Susan Rienzo" , > "Fred Koller" , "Richard York" , > "Daniel Helmstetter" , "Mike Connors" < > iec32002@yahoo.com>, "Tim Ingles" , "Karen > Johnson" , "Robert Berner" < > robert_berner@sbcglobal.net>, "Lynne Grayson" , > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > , "Michael S. Harper" < > Michael_Harper@brown.edu>, "Annette Basalyga" > > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:19 PM > > You'll > > laugh! > > You'll > > cry! > > > > > > And > > after that, if you have nothing better to do, > > > > you'll head > > for the Wednesday Night Poetry Series > > at Molten Java Coffee Roasters, > > Greenwood Ave. , > > Bethel CT > > featured > > poet > > Tad > > Richards > > > > "The Tom Waits > > of contemporary poetry" -- Nancy Willard > > 7:30 > > PM -- open mike > > followed by feature reading > > for > > more info http://www.wedpoetry.net/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Tad Richards > > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry Audette wrote: > if we can't heckle in person, we can certainly > do it here...tad, haven't heard you lately, > but i hope you're still singing...& > regardless what the reviewers say, > "my night with the language thieves" > is a kickass book of poems...but i > hope you're not actually slamming.. > a practice i abhor... > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Fred Koller > *To:* Jonathan Richards ; > TheOldMole > *Cc:* Alex Richards ; India Richards > ; Wendy Loughlin > ; Caitlin Richards > ; Charis Keitelman > ; Peter Jones > ; Larry Audette > ; Michael Kaufman > ; Don Bell > ; Tad Richards > ; Molly Kaufman > ; Tom Johnson > ; Susan Rienzo > ; Richard York > ; Daniel Helmstetter > ; Mike Connors > ; Tim Ingles > ; Karen Johnson > ; Robert Berner > ; Lynne Grayson > ; NewPoetry: Contemporary > Poetry News &Views ; > Michael S. Harper ; Annette > Basalyga > *Sent:* Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:30 AM > *Subject:* Re: Poetry Reading - Tad Richards > > A reviewer ( person who makes their living writing about their > mail ) once said that I sounded like Tom Waits > with a head cold. Will Tad be performing The Painter of Reality ? > > Fred > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Richards > > *To:* TheOldMole > > *Cc:* Alex Richards >; India Richards >; Wendy Loughlin > >; > Caitlin Richards >; Charis Keitelman >; Peter Jones >; Larry Audette > >; Michael > Kaufman >; Don Bell > >; Tad > Richards >; Molly Kaufman > >; Tom Johnson > >; Susan Rienzo > >; Fred Koller > >; Richard > York >; Daniel > Helmstetter >; Mike Connors > >; Tim Ingles > >; Karen > Johnson >; Robert > Berner >; Lynne Grayson > >; > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > >; > Michael S. Harper >; Annette Basalyga > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 7, 2009 8:25:42 AM > *Subject:* Re: Poetry Reading - Tad Richards > > The Tom Waits of contemporary poetry! Of whom a critic has said > his voice sounded "like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon > , left hanging in > the smokehouse for a few months, and then taken outside and run > over with a car." I'll laugh, I'll cry, but I probably won't make > it to Bethel. Knock 'em dead! > > > On Mar 6, 2009, at 7:19 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> You'll laugh! >> You'll cry! >> >> And after that, if you have nothing better to do, >> you'll head for the *Wednesday Night Poetry Series* >> at *Molten Java Coffee Roasters, >> Greenwood Ave. , Bethel CT* >> featured poet >> Tad Richards >> >> "The Tom Waits of contemporary poetry" -- Nancy Willard >> 7:30 PM -- open mike followed by feature reading >> for more info http://www.wedpoetry.net/ >> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:15:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Micharel McClure, David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg at Petaluma Arts Center March 28 In-Reply-To: <01ca01c99dbf$f912c100$6401a8c0@LENOVOB39742E2> References: <01ca01c99dbf$f912c100$6401a8c0@LENOVOB39742E2> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903071415h16347a75y6eb0a6dbd61a6f68@mail.gmail.com> *Dear Friends, * *Here is the info on the big reading coming up. Please send notice to your friends and mailing lists. It will be a very cool event. Hope to see you there!! Love, Michael R.* *Saturday, March 28, Petaluma Arts Center **6:30 - 8:00pm - "Reading by Beat Poets": Michael McClure, David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg* Admission: sliding scale $5-$10, no one turned away. Tickets for all *PAC Live!* events may be purchased at the door starting one half-hour before the performance or event. All events take place at the Petaluma Arts Center, 230 Lakeville St., at E. Washington (enter on E. Washington). -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090307/3cded9b7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 07:55:02 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> Could anyone tell me _please_ where I can watch all these movies? on CBS they have all expired, at least the ones I tried to open... On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Hal, > > Perry Mason is on IMDB? Now I know what I'm going to do this weekend: > watch all 206 episodes (or as many as I can fit in) > > Thanks in advance! What a find. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: James Cervantes > Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 2:31 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling > > Careful, Jim. I might have to sit you down to watch all 206 episodes of > this-- > with . . . natch . . . William Talman, aka Ham Burger: > > "Perry Mason" (206 episodes) > > 1. The Case of the Restless Redhead(21 September 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 2. The Case of the Sleepwalker's Niece(28 September 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 3. The Case of the Nervous Accomplice(5 October 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 4. The Case of the Drowning Duck (12 October 1957) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 5. The Case of the Sulky Girl (19 October 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 6. The Case of the Silent Partner(19 October 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 7. The Case of the Angry Mourner (2 November 1957) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 8. The Case of the Crimson Kiss (9 November 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 9. The Case of the Vagabond Vixen(16 November 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 10. The Case of the Runaway Corpse(23 November 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 11. The Case of the Crooked Candle(30 November 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 12. The Case of the Negligent Nymph(7 December 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 13. The Case of the Moth-Eaten Mink(14 December 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 14. The Case of the Baited Hook (21 December 1957) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 15. The Case of the Fan Dancer's Horse(28 December 1957) - Hamilton > Burger > 16. The Case of the Demure Defendant(4 January 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 17. The Case of the Sun Bather's Diary(11 January 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 18. The Case of the Cautious Coquette(18 January 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 19. The Case of the Haunted Husband(25 January 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 20. The Case of the Lonely Heiress(1 February 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 21. The Case of the Green-Eyed Sister(8 February 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 22. The Case of the Fugitive Nurse(15 February 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 23. The Case of the One-Eyed Witness(22 February 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 24. The Case of the Deadly Double(1 March 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 25. The Case of the Empty Tin (8 > March 1958) - Hamilton Burger > > 26. The Case of the Half-Wakened Wife(15 March 1958) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 27. The Case of the Desperate Daughter(22 March 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 28. The Case of the Daring Decoy (29 March 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 29. The Case of the Hesitant Hostess(5 April 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 30. The Case of the Screaming Woman(26 April 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 31. The Case of the Fiery Fingers(3 May 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 32. The Case of the Substitute Face(10 May 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 33. The Case of the Long-Legged Models(17 May 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 34. The Case of the Gilded Lily (24 May 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 35. The Case of the Lazy Lover (31 May 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 36. The Case of the Prodigal Parent(7 June 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 37. The Case of the Black-Eyed Blonde(14 June 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 38. The Case of the Terrified Typist(21 June 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 39. The Case of the Rolling Bones(28 June 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 40. The Case of the Corresponding Corpse(20 September 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 41. The Case of the Lucky Loser (27 September 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 42. The Case of the Pint-Sized Client(4 October 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 43. The Case of the Curious Bride(18 October 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 44. The Case of the Buried Clock (1 November 1958) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 45. The Case of the Married Moonlighter(8 November 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 46. The Case of the Jilted Jockey(15 November 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 47. The Case of 'The Purple Woman'(6 December 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 48. The Case of the Fancy Figures(13 December 1958) - Hamilton > Burger > 49. The Case of the Perjured Parrot(20 December 1958) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 50. The Case of the Shattered Dream(3 January 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 51. The Case of the Borrowed Brunette(10 January 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 52. The Case of the Glittering Goldfish(17 January 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 53. The Case of the Foot-Loose Doll(24 January 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 54. The Case of the Fraudulent Foto(7 February 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 55. The Case of the Romantic Rogue(14 February 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 56. The Case of the Jaded Joker (21 February 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 57. The Case of the Caretaker's Cat(7 March 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 58. The Case of the Stuttering Bishop(14 March 1959) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 59. The Case of the Lost Last Act(21 March 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 60. The Case of the Bedeviled Doctor(4 April 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 61. The Case of the Howling Dog (11 April 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 62. The Case of the Calendar Girl(18 April 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 63. The Case of the Petulant Partner(25 April 1959) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 64. The Case of the Dangerous Dowager(9 May 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 65. The Case of the Deadly Toy (16 May 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 66. The Case of the Spanish Cross(30 May 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 67. The Case of the Dubious Bridegroom(13 June 1959) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 68. The Case of the Lame Canary (27 June 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 69. The Case of the Spurious Sister(3 October 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 70. The Case of the Watery Witness(10 October 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 71. The Case of the Garrulous Gambler(17 October 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 72. The Case of the Blushing Pearls(24 October 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 73. The Case of the Startled Stallion(31 October 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 74. The Case of Paul Drake's Dilemma(14 November 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 75. The Case of the Golden Fraud (21 November 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 76. The Case of the Bartered Bikini(5 December 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 77. The Case of the Artful Dodger(12 December 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 78. The Case of the Lucky Legs (19 December 1959) - Hamilton > Burger > 79. The Case of the Violent Village(2 January 1960) - Hamilton > Burger (credit only) > 80. The Case of the Frantic Flyer(9 January 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 81. The Case of the Wayward Wife (23 January 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 82. The Case of the Prudent Prosecutor(30 January 1960) - District > Attorney Hamilton Burger > 83. The Case of the Gallant Grafter(6 February 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 84. The Case of the Wary Wildcatter(20 February 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 85. The Case of the Mythical Monkeys(27 February 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 86. The Case of the Singing Skirt(12 March 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 87. The Case of the Irate Inventor(28 May 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 88. The Case of the Flighty Father(11 June 1960) - D.A. Hamilton Burger > 89. The Case of the Treacherous Toupee(17 September 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 90. The Case of the Credulous Quarry(24 September 1960) - Hamilton > Burger > 91. The Case of the Fickle Fortune(21 January 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 92. The Case of the Angry Dead Man(25 February 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 93. The Case of the Blind Man's Bluff(11 March 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 94. The Case of the Difficult Detour(25 March 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 95. The Case of the Torrid Tapestry(22 April 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 96. The Case of the Violent Vest (29 April 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 97. The Case of the Duplicate Daughter(20 May 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 98. The Case of the Grumbling Grandfather(27 May 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 99. The Case of the Guilty Clients(10 June 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 100. The Case of the Jealous Journalist(2 September 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 101. The Case of the Impatient Partner(16 September 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 102. The Case of the Missing Melody(30 September 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 103. The Case of the Malicious Mariner(7 October 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 104. The Case of the Crying Comedian(14 October 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 105. The Case of the Meddling Medium(21 October 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 106. The Case of the Travelling Treasure(4 November 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 107. The Case of the Posthumous Painter(11 November 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 108. The Case of the Injured Innocent(18 November 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 109. The Case of the Left-Handed Liar(25 November 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 110. The Case of the Renegade Refugee(9 December 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 111. The Case of the Unwelcome Bride(16 December 1961) - Hamilton > Burger > 112. The Case of the Shapely Shadow(6 January 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 113. The Case of the Captain's Coins(13 January 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 114. The Case of the Tarnished Trademark(20 January 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 115. The Case of the Mystified Miner(24 February 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 116. The Case of the Crippled Cougar(3 March 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 117. The Case of the Melancholy Marksman(24 March 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 118. The Case of the Angry Astronaut(7 April 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 119. The Case of the Borrowed Baby(14 April 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 120. The Case of the Counterfeit Crank(28 April 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 121. The Case of the Ancient Romeo(5 May 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 122. The Case of the Promoter's Pillbox(19 May 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 123. The Case of the Lonely Eloper(26 May 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 124. The Case of the Bogus Books (27 September 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 125. The Case of the Capricious Corpse(4 October 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 126. The Case of the Playboy Pugilist(11 October 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 127. The Case of the Hateful Hero(25 October 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 128. The Case of the Dodging Domino(1 November 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 129. The Case of the Unsuitable Uncle(8 November 1962) - District > Attorney Hamilton Burger > 130. The Case of the Stand-In Sister(15 November 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 131. The Case of the Weary Watchdog(29 November 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 132. The Case of the Fickle Filly(13 December 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 133. The Case of the Polka-dot Pony(20 December 1962) - Hamilton > Burger > 134. The Case of the Shoplifter's Shoe(3 January 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 135. The Case of the Prankish Professor(17 January 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 136. The Case of the Libelous Locket(7 February 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 137. The Case of the Two-Faced Turn-a-bout(14 February 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 138. The Case of the Surplus Suitor(28 February 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 139. The Case of the Golden Oranges(7 March 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 140. The Case of the Lawful Lazarus(14 March 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 141. The Case of the Lover's Leap(4 April 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 142. The Case of the Elusive Element(11 April 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 143. The Case of the Greek Goddess(18 April 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 144. The Case of the Skeleton's Closet(2 May 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 145. The Case of the Witless Witness(16 May 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 146. The Case of the Shifty Shoebox(3 October 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 147. The Case of the Deadly Verdict(17 October 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 148. The Case of the Decadent Dean(24 October 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 149. The Case of the Reluctant Model(31 October 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 150. The Case of the Bigamous Spouse(14 November 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 151. The Case of the Festive Felon(28 November 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 152. The Case of the Badgered Brother(19 December 1963) - Hamilton > Burger > 153. The Case of the Accosted Accountant(9 January 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 154. The Case of the Capering Camera(16 January 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 155. The Case of the Ice-Cold Hands(23 January 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 156. The Case of the Bountiful Beauty(6 February 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 157. The Case of the Garrulous Go-Between(12 March 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 158. The Case of the Woeful Widower(26 March 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 159. The Case of the Illicit Illusion(9 April 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 160. The Case of the Antic Angel (16 April 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 161. The Case of the Ugly Duckling(21 May 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 162. The Case of the Scandalous Sculptor(8 October 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 163. The Case of the Betrayed Bride(22 October 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 164. The Case of the Bullied Bowler(5 November 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 165. The Case of the Wooden Nickels(10 December 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 166. The Case of the Blonde Bonanza(17 December 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 167. The Case of the Ruinous Road(31 December 1964) - Hamilton > Burger > 168. The Case of the Frustrated Folksinger(7 January 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 169. The Case of the Thermal Thief(14 January 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 170. The Case of the Golden Venom(21 January 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 171. The Case of the Telltale Tap(4 February 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 172. The Case of the Lover's Gamble(18 February 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 173. The Case of the Fatal Fetish(4 March 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 174. The Case of the Sad Sicilian(11 March 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 175. The Case of the Murderous Mermaid(18 March 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 176. The Case of the Careless Kitten(25 March 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 177. The Case of the Deadly Debt (1 April 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 178. The Case of the Gambling Lady(8 April 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 179. The Case of the Duplicate Case(22 April 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 180. The Case of the Wrongful Writ(6 May 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 181. The Case of the Mischievous Doll(13 May 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 182. The Case of the Laughing Lady(12 September 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 183. The Case of the Fatal Fortune(19 September 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 184. The Case of the Candy Queen (26 September 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 185. The Case of the Impetuous Imp(10 October 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 186. The Case of the Carefree Coronary(17 October 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 187. The Case of the 12th Wildcat(31 October 1965) - Hamilton > Berger > 188. The Case of the Wrathful Wraith(7 November 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 189. The Case of the Runaway Racer(14 November 1965) - Hamilton > Berger > 190. The Case of the Silent Six (21 November 1965) - Hamilton > Berger > 191. The Case of the Baffling Bug(12 December 1965) - Hamilton > Burger > 192. The Case of the Bogus Buccaneers(9 January 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 193. The Case of the Midnight Howler(16 January 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 194. The Case of the Vanishing Victim(23 January 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 195. The Case of the Golfer's Gambit(30 January 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 196. The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise(13 February 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 197. The Case of the Twice Told Twist(27 February 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 198. The Case of the Avenging Angel(13 March 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 199. The Case of the Tsarina's Tiara(20 March 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 200. The Case of the Fanciful Frail(27 March 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 201. The Case of the Unwelcome Well(3 April 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 202. The Case of the Dead Ringer (17 April 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 203. The Case of the Misguided Model(24 April 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 204. The Case of the Positive Negative(1 May 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 205. The Case of the Crafty Kidnapper(15 May 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > 206. The Case of the Final Fadeout(22 May 1966) - Hamilton > Burger > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/5d9482f8/attachment.html From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 09:03:02 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anny, It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 more) and you should get a list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. JohnJ ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:55:02 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Could anyone tell me _please_ where I can watch all these movies? on CBS they have all expired, at least the ones I tried to open... On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Hal, Perry Mason is on IMDB? Now I know what I'm going to do this weekend: watch all 206 episodes (or as many as I can fit in) Thanks in advance! What a find. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: James Cervantes Cc: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Careful, Jim. I might have to sit you down to watch all 206 episodes of this-- with . . . natch . . . William Talman, aka Ham Burger: "Perry Mason" (206 episodes) 1. The Case of the Restless Redhead (21 September 1957) - Hamilton Burger 2. The Case of the Sleepwalker's Niece (28 September 1957) - Hamilton Burger 3. The Case of the Nervous Accomplice (5 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger 4. The Case of the Drowning Duck (12 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 5. The Case of the Sulky Girl (19 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger 6. The Case of the Silent Partner (19 October 1957) - Hamilton Burger 7. The Case of the Angry Mourner (2 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 8. The Case of the Crimson Kiss (9 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger 9. The Case of the Vagabond Vixen (16 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger 10. The Case of the Runaway Corpse (23 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger 11. The Case of the Crooked Candle (30 November 1957) - Hamilton Burger 12. The Case of the Negligent Nymph (7 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger 13. The Case of the Moth-Eaten Mink (14 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger 14. The Case of the Baited Hook (21 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 15. The Case of the Fan Dancer's Horse (28 December 1957) - Hamilton Burger 16. The Case of the Demure Defendant (4 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger 17. The Case of the Sun Bather's Diary (11 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger 18. The Case of the Cautious Coquette (18 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger 19. The Case of the Haunted Husband (25 January 1958) - Hamilton Burger 20. The Case of the Lonely Heiress (1 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger 21. The Case of the Green-Eyed Sister (8 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger 22. The Case of the Fugitive Nurse (15 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger 23. The Case of the One-Eyed Witness (22 February 1958) - Hamilton Burger 24. The Case of the Deadly Double (1 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger 25. The Case of the Empty Tin (8 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger 26. The Case of the Half-Wakened Wife (15 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 27. The Case of the Desperate Daughter (22 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger 28. The Case of the Daring Decoy (29 March 1958) - Hamilton Burger 29. The Case of the Hesitant Hostess (5 April 1958) - Hamilton Burger 30. The Case of the Screaming Woman (26 April 1958) - Hamilton Burger 31. The Case of the Fiery Fingers (3 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger 32. The Case of the Substitute Face (10 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger 33. The Case of the Long-Legged Models (17 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger 34. The Case of the Gilded Lily (24 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger 35. The Case of the Lazy Lover (31 May 1958) - Hamilton Burger 36. The Case of the Prodigal Parent (7 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger 37. The Case of the Black-Eyed Blonde (14 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger 38. The Case of the Terrified Typist (21 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger 39. The Case of the Rolling Bones (28 June 1958) - Hamilton Burger 40. The Case of the Corresponding Corpse (20 September 1958) - Hamilton Burger 41. The Case of the Lucky Loser (27 September 1958) - Hamilton Burger 42. The Case of the Pint-Sized Client (4 October 1958) - Hamilton Burger 43. The Case of the Curious Bride (18 October 1958) - Hamilton Burger 44. The Case of the Buried Clock (1 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 45. The Case of the Married Moonlighter (8 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger 46. The Case of the Jilted Jockey (15 November 1958) - Hamilton Burger 47. The Case of 'The Purple Woman' (6 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger 48. The Case of the Fancy Figures (13 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger 49. The Case of the Perjured Parrot (20 December 1958) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 50. The Case of the Shattered Dream (3 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger 51. The Case of the Borrowed Brunette (10 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger 52. The Case of the Glittering Goldfish (17 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger 53. The Case of the Foot-Loose Doll (24 January 1959) - Hamilton Burger 54. The Case of the Fraudulent Foto (7 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger 55. The Case of the Romantic Rogue (14 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger 56. The Case of the Jaded Joker (21 February 1959) - Hamilton Burger 57. The Case of the Caretaker's Cat (7 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger 58. The Case of the Stuttering Bishop (14 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 59. The Case of the Lost Last Act (21 March 1959) - Hamilton Burger 60. The Case of the Bedeviled Doctor (4 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger 61. The Case of the Howling Dog (11 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger 62. The Case of the Calendar Girl (18 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger 63. The Case of the Petulant Partner (25 April 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 64. The Case of the Dangerous Dowager (9 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger 65. The Case of the Deadly Toy (16 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger 66. The Case of the Spanish Cross (30 May 1959) - Hamilton Burger 67. The Case of the Dubious Bridegroom (13 June 1959) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 68. The Case of the Lame Canary (27 June 1959) - Hamilton Burger 69. The Case of the Spurious Sister (3 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger 70. The Case of the Watery Witness (10 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger 71. The Case of the Garrulous Gambler (17 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger 72. The Case of the Blushing Pearls (24 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger 73. The Case of the Startled Stallion (31 October 1959) - Hamilton Burger 74. The Case of Paul Drake's Dilemma (14 November 1959) - Hamilton Burger 75. The Case of the Golden Fraud (21 November 1959) - Hamilton Burger 76. The Case of the Bartered Bikini (5 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger 77. The Case of the Artful Dodger (12 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger 78. The Case of the Lucky Legs (19 December 1959) - Hamilton Burger 79. The Case of the Violent Village (2 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger (credit only) 80. The Case of the Frantic Flyer (9 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger 81. The Case of the Wayward Wife (23 January 1960) - Hamilton Burger 82. The Case of the Prudent Prosecutor (30 January 1960) - District Attorney Hamilton Burger 83. The Case of the Gallant Grafter (6 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger 84. The Case of the Wary Wildcatter (20 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger 85. The Case of the Mythical Monkeys (27 February 1960) - Hamilton Burger 86. The Case of the Singing Skirt (12 March 1960) - Hamilton Burger 87. The Case of the Irate Inventor (28 May 1960) - Hamilton Burger 88. The Case of the Flighty Father (11 June 1960) - D.A. Hamilton Burger 89. The Case of the Treacherous Toupee (17 September 1960) - Hamilton Burger 90. The Case of the Credulous Quarry (24 September 1960) - Hamilton Burger 91. The Case of the Fickle Fortune (21 January 1961) - Hamilton Burger 92. The Case of the Angry Dead Man (25 February 1961) - Hamilton Burger 93. The Case of the Blind Man's Bluff (11 March 1961) - Hamilton Burger 94. The Case of the Difficult Detour (25 March 1961) - Hamilton Burger 95. The Case of the Torrid Tapestry (22 April 1961) - Hamilton Burger 96. The Case of the Violent Vest (29 April 1961) - Hamilton Burger 97. The Case of the Duplicate Daughter (20 May 1961) - Hamilton Burger 98. The Case of the Grumbling Grandfather (27 May 1961) - Hamilton Burger 99. The Case of the Guilty Clients (10 June 1961) - Hamilton Burger 100. The Case of the Jealous Journalist (2 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger 101. The Case of the Impatient Partner (16 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger 102. The Case of the Missing Melody (30 September 1961) - Hamilton Burger 103. The Case of the Malicious Mariner (7 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger 104. The Case of the Crying Comedian (14 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger 105. The Case of the Meddling Medium (21 October 1961) - Hamilton Burger 106. The Case of the Travelling Treasure (4 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger 107. The Case of the Posthumous Painter (11 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger 108. The Case of the Injured Innocent (18 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger 109. The Case of the Left-Handed Liar (25 November 1961) - Hamilton Burger 110. The Case of the Renegade Refugee (9 December 1961) - Hamilton Burger 111. The Case of the Unwelcome Bride (16 December 1961) - Hamilton Burger 112. The Case of the Shapely Shadow (6 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger 113. The Case of the Captain's Coins (13 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger 114. The Case of the Tarnished Trademark (20 January 1962) - Hamilton Burger 115. The Case of the Mystified Miner (24 February 1962) - Hamilton Burger 116. The Case of the Crippled Cougar (3 March 1962) - Hamilton Burger 117. The Case of the Melancholy Marksman (24 March 1962) - Hamilton Burger 118. The Case of the Angry Astronaut (7 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger 119. The Case of the Borrowed Baby (14 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger 120. The Case of the Counterfeit Crank (28 April 1962) - Hamilton Burger 121. The Case of the Ancient Romeo (5 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger 122. The Case of the Promoter's Pillbox (19 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger 123. The Case of the Lonely Eloper (26 May 1962) - Hamilton Burger 124. The Case of the Bogus Books (27 September 1962) - Hamilton Burger 125. The Case of the Capricious Corpse (4 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger 126. The Case of the Playboy Pugilist (11 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger 127. The Case of the Hateful Hero (25 October 1962) - Hamilton Burger 128. The Case of the Dodging Domino (1 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger 129. The Case of the Unsuitable Uncle (8 November 1962) - District Attorney Hamilton Burger 130. The Case of the Stand-In Sister (15 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger 131. The Case of the Weary Watchdog (29 November 1962) - Hamilton Burger 132. The Case of the Fickle Filly (13 December 1962) - Hamilton Burger 133. The Case of the Polka-dot Pony (20 December 1962) - Hamilton Burger 134. The Case of the Shoplifter's Shoe (3 January 1963) - Hamilton Burger 135. The Case of the Prankish Professor (17 January 1963) - Hamilton Burger 136. The Case of the Libelous Locket (7 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger 137. The Case of the Two-Faced Turn-a-bout (14 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger 138. The Case of the Surplus Suitor (28 February 1963) - Hamilton Burger 139. The Case of the Golden Oranges (7 March 1963) - Hamilton Burger 140. The Case of the Lawful Lazarus (14 March 1963) - Hamilton Burger 141. The Case of the Lover's Leap (4 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger 142. The Case of the Elusive Element (11 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger 143. The Case of the Greek Goddess (18 April 1963) - Hamilton Burger 144. The Case of the Skeleton's Closet (2 May 1963) - Hamilton Burger 145. The Case of the Witless Witness (16 May 1963) - Hamilton Burger 146. The Case of the Shifty Shoebox (3 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger 147. The Case of the Deadly Verdict (17 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger 148. The Case of the Decadent Dean (24 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger 149. The Case of the Reluctant Model (31 October 1963) - Hamilton Burger 150. The Case of the Bigamous Spouse (14 November 1963) - Hamilton Burger 151. The Case of the Festive Felon (28 November 1963) - Hamilton Burger 152. The Case of the Badgered Brother (19 December 1963) - Hamilton Burger 153. The Case of the Accosted Accountant (9 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger 154. The Case of the Capering Camera (16 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger 155. The Case of the Ice-Cold Hands (23 January 1964) - Hamilton Burger 156. The Case of the Bountiful Beauty (6 February 1964) - Hamilton Burger 157. The Case of the Garrulous Go-Between (12 March 1964) - Hamilton Burger 158. The Case of the Woeful Widower (26 March 1964) - Hamilton Burger 159. The Case of the Illicit Illusion (9 April 1964) - Hamilton Burger 160. The Case of the Antic Angel (16 April 1964) - Hamilton Burger 161. The Case of the Ugly Duckling (21 May 1964) - Hamilton Burger 162. The Case of the Scandalous Sculptor (8 October 1964) - Hamilton Burger 163. The Case of the Betrayed Bride (22 October 1964) - Hamilton Burger 164. The Case of the Bullied Bowler (5 November 1964) - Hamilton Burger 165. The Case of the Wooden Nickels (10 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger 166. The Case of the Blonde Bonanza (17 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger 167. The Case of the Ruinous Road (31 December 1964) - Hamilton Burger 168. The Case of the Frustrated Folksinger (7 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger 169. The Case of the Thermal Thief (14 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger 170. The Case of the Golden Venom (21 January 1965) - Hamilton Burger 171. The Case of the Telltale Tap (4 February 1965) - Hamilton Burger 172. The Case of the Lover's Gamble (18 February 1965) - Hamilton Burger 173. The Case of the Fatal Fetish (4 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger 174. The Case of the Sad Sicilian (11 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger 175. The Case of the Murderous Mermaid (18 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger 176. The Case of the Careless Kitten (25 March 1965) - Hamilton Burger 177. The Case of the Deadly Debt (1 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger 178. The Case of the Gambling Lady (8 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger 179. The Case of the Duplicate Case (22 April 1965) - Hamilton Burger 180. The Case of the Wrongful Writ (6 May 1965) - Hamilton Burger 181. The Case of the Mischievous Doll (13 May 1965) - Hamilton Burger 182. The Case of the Laughing Lady (12 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger 183. The Case of the Fatal Fortune (19 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger 184. The Case of the Candy Queen (26 September 1965) - Hamilton Burger 185. The Case of the Impetuous Imp (10 October 1965) - Hamilton Burger 186. The Case of the Carefree Coronary (17 October 1965) - Hamilton Burger 187. The Case of the 12th Wildcat (31 October 1965) - Hamilton Berger 188. The Case of the Wrathful Wraith (7 November 1965) - Hamilton Burger 189. The Case of the Runaway Racer (14 November 1965) - Hamilton Berger 190. The Case of the Silent Six (21 November 1965) - Hamilton Berger 191. The Case of the Baffling Bug (12 December 1965) - Hamilton Burger 192. The Case of the Bogus Buccaneers (9 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger 193. The Case of the Midnight Howler (16 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger 194. The Case of the Vanishing Victim (23 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger 195. The Case of the Golfer's Gambit (30 January 1966) - Hamilton Burger 196. The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise (13 February 1966) - Hamilton Burger 197. The Case of the Twice Told Twist (27 February 1966) - Hamilton Burger 198. The Case of the Avenging Angel (13 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger 199. The Case of the Tsarina's Tiara (20 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger 200. The Case of the Fanciful Frail (27 March 1966) - Hamilton Burger 201. The Case of the Unwelcome Well (3 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger 202. The Case of the Dead Ringer (17 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger 203. The Case of the Misguided Model (24 April 1966) - Hamilton Burger 204. The Case of the Positive Negative (1 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger 205. The Case of the Crafty Kidnapper (15 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger 206. The Case of the Final Fadeout (22 May 1966) - Hamilton Burger -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/fef415db/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 09:37:34 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general info on the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: > Anny, > > It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason ( > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview section at the > top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1| > 2 | 3| > 4 | 5| > 6 | 7| > 8 | 9 > more ) and you should get a > list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. > > JohnJ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/4b373748/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Sun Mar 8 09:53:42 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu><648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com><8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com><285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Hi Anny I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro.? Hope this helps.? Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general info on the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Anny, It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/).? In the Overview section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 more) and you should get a list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. JohnJ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/9c2440d4/attachment.html From editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk Sun Mar 8 10:44:17 2009 From: editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk (Roger Collett) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu><648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com><8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com><285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? Roger Collett Arrowhead Press http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." Jules de Gaultier ----- Original Message ----- From: Millicent Accardi To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Hi Anny I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this helps. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general info on the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Anny, It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 more) and you should get a list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. JohnJ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/2268c2dd/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 11:01:21 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com> Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy they invest our money in politicians. Don't know about England. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett wrote: > Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way to > select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? > > Roger Collett > Arrowhead Press > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." > Jules de Gaultier > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Millicent Accardi > *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Hi Anny > > I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to watch Perry > Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to this page: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 > > and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general info on the > movie: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ > > I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: > >> Anny, >> >> It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason ( >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview section at the >> top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1| >> 2 | 3| >> 4 | 5| >> 6 | 7| >> 8 | 9 >> more ) and you should get a >> list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. >> >> JohnJ >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/0e7b4613/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sun Mar 8 11:40:46 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] John Litgow's Poetry Corner (Bill Moyer's Journal podcast) Message-ID: <8CB6E23C3DE9C77-944-4464@webmail-dx01.sysops.aol.com> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/podcast.xml He's played heroes, villains, saints, sinners, a ballet-dancing elephant, and a space alien, now actor and children's author John Lithgow - best known as Dick Solomon from NBC's hit show 3rd Rock from the Sun - reveals a new side of himself... poetry lover. The award-winning stage and screen star Lithgow shares his favorite poems, insights into acting, and thoughts on the enduring power of art. Lithgow currently stars in the Broadway revival of Arthur Miller's All My Sons. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/09145cda/attachment.html From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 12:08:40 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having Flash 9.0 or higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full screen.) It's the same technology that YouTube uses. I don't think it's a country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live in Wales, I'm in the US) always tell to watch this show or that using BBC iPlayer from the BBC online, but that throws up a message, something like "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I think the IMDB problem may be more a technical thing. JohnJ ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy they invest our money in politicians. Don't know about England. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett wrote: Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? Roger Collett Arrowhead Press http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." Jules de Gaultier ----- Original Message ----- From: Millicent Accardi To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Hi Anny I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this helps. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general info on the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: Anny, It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 more) and you should get a list of that season's episodes with the ability to play each full episode. JohnJ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ________________________________ Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/81b09f18/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 8 12:25:12 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com> <13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter Gunn, but no luck there, and they don't seem to have a list anywhere. Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com John Jeffrey wrote: > I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having Flash 9.0 > or higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full screen.) It's the > same technology that YouTube uses. I don't think it's a > country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live in Wales, I'm in the > US) always tell to watch this show or that using BBC iPlayer from the > BBC online, but that throws up a message, something like "You ain't a > Brit. Sod off." I think the IMDB problem may be more a technical thing. > > JohnJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger > > Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy they > invest our money in politicians. Don't know about England. > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett > > wrote: > > Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way > to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? > > Roger Collett > Arrowhead Press > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." > Jules de Gaultier > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Millicent Accardi > *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Hi Anny > > I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to > watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this > helps. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > > Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to > this page: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 > > and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general > info on the movie: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ > > I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey > > wrote: > > Anny, > > It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview > section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 > | > 2 > | 3 > | > 4 > | 5 > | > 6 > | 7 > | > 8 > | 9 > > more ) and > you should get a list of that season's episodes with the > ability to play each full episode. > > JohnJ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar > ! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk Sun Mar 8 12:33:36 2009 From: editor at arrowheadpress.co.uk (Roger Collett) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com><13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> Message-ID: <009b01c9a014$0424f210$6401a8c0@ROCKY> Hi Tad, Hulu comes up with a message saying that their videos aren't available outside the US. I think it's the same with IMDB. We aren't allowed to play them here in UK (and Europe) for legal (copyright) reasons. Roger Collett Arrowhead Press http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." Jules de Gaultier ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter Gunn, but no luck there, and >they don't seem to have a list anywhere. > > Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com > > John Jeffrey wrote: >> I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having Flash 9.0 or higher. (I think >> you might need 10.0 for full screen.) It's the same technology that YouTube uses. I don't >> think it's a country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live in Wales, I'm in the US) >> always tell to watch this show or that using BBC iPlayer from the BBC online, but that throws >> up a message, something like "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I think the IMDB problem may be >> more a technical thing. >> >> JohnJ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger >> >> Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy they invest our money in >> politicians. Don't know about England. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett > > wrote: >> >> Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way >> to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? >> Roger Collett >> Arrowhead Press >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." >> Jules de Gaultier >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Millicent Accardi >> *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Hi Anny >> >> I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to >> watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this >> helps. >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini > > >> Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to >> this page: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 >> >> and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general >> info on the movie: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ >> >> I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey >> > wrote: >> >> Anny, >> >> It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview >> section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 >> | >> 2 >> | 3 >> | >> 4 >> | 5 >> | >> 6 >> | 7 >> | >> 8 >> | 9 >> >> more ) and >> you should get a list of that season's episodes with the >> ability to play each full episode. >> >> JohnJ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the >> web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> ! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 8 12:45:54 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <009b01c9a014$0424f210$6401a8c0@ROCKY> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <648208b60903061348p69d4a3a4xe01220f61910ace8@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com><13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> <009b01c9a014$0424f210$6401a8c0@ROCKY> Message-ID: <49B40452.2030705@opus40.org> Well, screw them. That's nuts, although I'm sure it's true. What about CBS.com? Roger Collett wrote: > Hi Tad, > > Hulu comes up with a message saying that their videos aren't available > outside the US. I think it's the same with IMDB. We aren't allowed > to play them here in UK (and Europe) for legal (copyright) reasons. > > Roger Collett > Arrowhead Press > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." > Jules de Gaultier > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > >> I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter Gunn, >> but no luck there, and they don't seem to have a list anywhere. >> >> Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com >> >> John Jeffrey wrote: >>> I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having Flash >>> 9.0 or higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full screen.) It's >>> the same technology that YouTube uses. I don't think it's a >>> country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live in Wales, I'm in >>> the US) always tell to watch this show or that using BBC iPlayer >>> from the BBC online, but that throws up a message, something like >>> "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I think the IMDB problem may be more a >>> technical thing. >>> >>> JohnJ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Anny Ballardini >>> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >>> >>> Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger >>> >>> Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy >>> they invest our money in politicians. Don't know about England. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way >>> to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? >>> Roger Collett >>> Arrowhead Press >>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." >>> Jules de Gaultier >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Millicent Accardi >>> *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >>> >>> Hi Anny >>> >>> I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to >>> watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this >>> helps. >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Millicent >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anny Ballardini >> > >>> Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >>> >>> Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to >>> this page: >>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 >>> >>> and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general >>> info on the movie: >>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ >>> >>> I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Anny, >>> >>> It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason >>> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview >>> section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 >>> | >>> 2 >>> | 3 >>> | >>> 4 >>> | 5 >>> | >>> 6 >>> | 7 >>> | >>> 8 >>> | 9 >>> >>> more ) and >>> you should get a list of that season's episodes with the >>> ability to play each full episode. >>> >>> JohnJ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the >>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar >>> >>> ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>> dancing star! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 12:47:21 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <8CB6CC98813CEE4-1568-880@FWM-D25.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903080555x68b19147q3a5a403ed2c78f34@mail.gmail.com> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com> <13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> Message-ID: Sheesh, can't any of you guys find a HELP button? http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?videotopfaq Hal On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter Gunn, but > no luck there, and they don't seem to have a list anywhere. > > Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com > > John Jeffrey wrote: > >> I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having Flash 9.0 or >> higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full screen.) It's the same >> technology that YouTube uses. I don't think it's a country-specific thing. >> Still, my kids (who live in Wales, I'm in the US) always tell to watch this >> show or that using BBC iPlayer from the BBC online, but that throws up a >> message, something like "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I think the IMDB >> problem may be more a technical thing. >> >> JohnJ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < >> new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger >> >> Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In Italy they >> invest our money in politicians. Don't know about England. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett < >> editor@arrowheadpress.co.uk > wrote: >> >> Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and no way >> to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? >> Roger Collett >> Arrowhead Press >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." >> Jules de Gaultier >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Millicent Accardi >> *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Hi Anny >> >> I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to >> watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope this >> helps. >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini > > >> Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am directed to >> this page: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 >> >> and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the general >> info on the movie: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ >> >> I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey >> > wrote: >> >> Anny, >> >> It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the Overview >> section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" numbers (1 >> | >> 2 >> | 3 >> | >> 4 >> | 5 >> | >> 6 >> | 7 >> | >> 8 >> | 9 >> >> more ) and >> you should get a list of that season's episodes with the >> ability to play each full episode. >> >> JohnJ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the >> web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson wrote: > Sheesh, can't any of you guys find a HELP button? > > http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?videotopfaq > > Hal > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM, TheOldMole > wrote: > > I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter > Gunn, but no luck there, and they don't seem to have a list anywhere. > > Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com > > John Jeffrey wrote: > > I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having > Flash 9.0 or higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full > screen.) It's the same technology that YouTube uses. I don't > think it's a country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live > in Wales, I'm in the US) always tell to watch this show or > that using BBC iPlayer from the BBC online, but that throws up > a message, something like "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I > think the IMDB problem may be more a technical thing. > > JohnJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger > > Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In > Italy they invest our money in politicians. Don't know about > England. > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett > > >> wrote: > > Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and > no way > to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? > Roger Collett > Arrowhead Press > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." > Jules de Gaultier > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Millicent Accardi > > *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Hi Anny > > I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to > watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope > this > helps. > Cheers, > > Millicent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > >> > Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry > > Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am > directed to > this page: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 > > and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the > general > info on the movie: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ > > I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey > > >> wrote: > > Anny, > > It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the > Overview > section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" > numbers (1 > > | > 2 > > | 3 > > | > 4 > > | 5 > > | > 6 > > | 7 > > | > 8 > > | 9 > > more > ) and > > you should get a list of that season's episodes > with the > ability to play each full episode. > > JohnJ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere > on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar > > ! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to > a dancing star! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 13:14:36 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry In-Reply-To: <49B40698.2000006@opus40.org> References: <2E923318-6B54-47C1-95C1-11EC320F9E66@ripon.edu> <285970.36472.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903080737m6b537db7x2a3f62e4dd2ffced@mail.gmail.com> <8CB6E14CEA224E1-124C-143B@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> <006801c9a004$c1c227d0$6401a8c0@ROCKY> <4b65c2d70903080901xff501d8q70bc05995c3245c0@mail.gmail.com> <13232.56224.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49B3FF78.9030101@opus40.org> <49B40698.2000006@opus40.org> Message-ID: Btw, I'm not finding streaming videos at imdb myself, probably because I'm in Mexico, and if they're anything like those streaming videos at Amazon they're not licensed for viewing outside the US. Hal On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Well, that doesn't help me. Still no Peter Gunn. > > Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Sheesh, can't any of you guys find a HELP button? >> >> http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?videotopfaq >> >> Hal >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM, TheOldMole > Opus40-01@opus40.org>> wrote: >> >> I wonder what else IMDB makes available on video. I tried Peter >> Gunn, but no luck there, and they don't seem to have a list anywhere. >> >> Those of you having trouble getting Perry at IMDB might try Hulu.com >> >> John Jeffrey wrote: >> >> I don't know of any requirements for IMDB other than having >> Flash 9.0 or higher. (I think you might need 10.0 for full >> screen.) It's the same technology that YouTube uses. I don't >> think it's a country-specific thing. Still, my kids (who live >> in Wales, I'm in the US) always tell to watch this show or >> that using BBC iPlayer from the BBC online, but that throws up >> a message, something like "You ain't a Brit. Sod off." I >> think the IMDB problem may be more a technical thing. >> >> JohnJ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Anny Ballardini > > >> *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" >> > >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:01:21 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Ah, you mean this is one of "the usual surprises"... - Roger >> >> Thanks Millicent, it is probably a more serious problem. In >> Italy they invest our money in politicians. Don't know about >> England. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Roger Collett >> > >> > >> wrote: >> >> Anny, I have the same problem. There is no play button and >> no way >> to select the video. Maybe it is not available in Europe?? >> Roger Collett >> Arrowhead Press >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." >> Jules de Gaultier >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Millicent Accardi > > >> *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:53 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Hi Anny >> >> I just selected Video and full episode and voila, I got to >> watch Perry Mason. . . and I don't have IMDB Pro. Hope >> this >> helps. >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini > >> > >> >> Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:37 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kindling Perry >> >> Sorry John, and thank you for your patience, I am >> directed to >> this page: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1 >> >> and if I click on a title, I am redirected back to the >> general >> info on the movie: >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0673372/ >> >> I am wondering, do I need IMDbPro? >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Jeffrey >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> Anny, >> >> It's right on the IMDB website for Perry Mason >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/). In the >> Overview >> section at the top, click one of the "Seasons" >> numbers (1 >> < >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-1> | >> 2 >> >> | 3 >> < >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-3> | >> 4 >> >> | 5 >> < >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-5> | >> 6 >> >> | 7 >> < >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050051/episodes#season-7> | >> 8 >> >> | 9 >> >> more >> ) and >> >> you should get a list of that season's episodes >> with the >> ability to play each full episode. >> >> JohnJ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> > > >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere >> on the >> web. Get the Radio Toolbar >> < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035>! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> > > >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> > > >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to >> a dancing star! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Due to licensing restrictions, some films and TV titles are available only to Internet users located within the United States. Many titles supplied to IMDb.com directly by filmmakers, however, are viewable without any geographical restrictions. You see how intelligent we are Hal, we got to the same conclusion on our own! :-) On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Btw, I'm not finding streaming videos at imdb myself, probably because > I'm in Mexico, and if they're anything like those streaming videos at > Amazon > they're not licensed for viewing outside the US. > > Hal > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's too bad that my iTouch won't support playing their audio, though. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Seems to me the problem with ebooks in the shape of the Kindle, like the Sony Reader and Rocket Book and the long line of dedicated devices before, is that they aren't the same as web versions, lacking most of the web's utility, openness, and connections AND the portability (in the sense of transfer, sharing, passing on, leaving as an artifact, etc) of books. Worst of both worlds. I'm much more in tune with iTouch (which I love) and other ways of reading books with devices that don't lock the books away and that don't lean heavily towards control and ownership by the publishers. Just my .02 -- given my way of reading, electronic books make sense only as references and even then only in addition to paper versions, so my perspective is perhaps different. c From jforjames at aol.com Sun Mar 8 19:26:39 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Motion's muse Message-ID: <8CB6E64D90E1ABB-1094-4260@WEBMAIL-MY04.sysops.aol.com> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/4958088/Poet-Laureate-dedicates-first-book-of-poetry-in-7-years-to-his-muse.html Motion, 56, has spoken of how love and the death of his father have helped him to overcome his writer's block which has affected his work for the past decade. The publication of The Cinder Path coincides with the end of his tenure as poet laureate next month. It is dedicated to Kyeong-Soo Kim, a Korean-born linguist he met two years ago at a conference and with whom he now lives. "Part of the acceleration of my writing and the sense of renewed confidence in it, which is greater than I have ever felt before, I certainly attribute to her," he said. "She is not a writer, but she is more expert in language than anybody else I have ever met," he told Tatler magazine. Kim, who is in her early fifties, grew up in Korea but moved to America when she was 25. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090308/03f363c3/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 9 06:20:04 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <8CB6E64D90E1ABB-1094-4260@WEBMAIL-MY04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6E64D90E1ABB-1094-4260@WEBMAIL-MY04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49B4FB64.6090506@nut-n-but.net> Now that we've finished with Kindle (if we have), how about a discussion of Facebook. I'm considering joining it but fear it will just add to the clutter of my life to little or no advantage. What does those of you involved with it think of it? I don't know anything about it. Is it anything more than a blog? --Bob From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Mar 9 06:46:26 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook Message-ID: I joined and people I have not seen in years began coming out of the woodwork. It's enjoyable, but it can be time consuming. "Faintly positive wary ambivalence" is how a friend (a real friend, not a Facebook friend) summed up his attitude. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like what Al's friend said; the phrase sums up perfectly the way that I feel about FB--"faintly positive wary ambivalence." It is both more and less than a blog, Bob; at least, that's the way that I see it. Best, Jeff Newberry On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > I joined and people I have not seen in years began coming out of the > woodwork. It's enjoyable, but it can be time consuming. "Faintly positive > wary ambivalence" is how a friend (a real friend, not a Facebook friend) > summed up his attitude. > > ------------------------------ > Need a job? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/6c30d444/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 07:25:55 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903090515i64e65e4eo79173260cdcb9f1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903090515i64e65e4eo79173260cdcb9f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903090525n276ec599m22c9d2da611b911b@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Jeff and Al. Time consuming, yes, but on the good side, I have the email of all my folks, otherwise I have it scattered here and there. This is what I think, then I never use it for the mail since I use gmail.com. Thus, what can I tell you... And if you come on Facebook, do log in with me and with the page of the Corner! Take care, Anny On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Bob, > > I like Facebook, but I'll admit to feeling really adolescent about using > the system. As Al pointed out, it's wonderful for connecting with old > friends. It has its own email, and I use that to keep in touch with folks, > as well. For networking, FB is pretty fantastic, too. I mean, Facebook is > fairly lousy with poets and writers and editors. And more and more > magazines and journals are launching Facebook pages, as well., > > The problem, I've found, is that Facebook is a *black hole* of my time. I > can log in and lose an hour without my even noticing. I like what Al's > friend said; the phrase sums up perfectly the way that I feel about > FB--"faintly positive wary ambivalence." > > It is both more and less than a blog, Bob; at least, that's the way that I > see it. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > >> I joined and people I have not seen in years began coming out of the >> woodwork. It's enjoyable, but it can be time consuming. "Faintly positive >> wary ambivalence" is how a friend (a real friend, not a Facebook friend) >> summed up his attitude. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Need a job? Find employment help in your area >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/901bfd63/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:28:32 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <49B52C49.6090903@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0903090515i64e65e4eo79173260cdcb9f1f@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70903090525n276ec599m22c9d2da611b911b@mail.gmail.com> <49B52C49.6090903@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60903090828q7d37d653l34df7499af031fe5@mail.gmail.com> It only eats the amount of time you feed it, Bob. Once you're on and it suggests "friends" to add, you'll no doubt see a lot of familiar names there. Oh, you might also join "Friends of The Salt River Review" when you get to the "join groups" part. There are also many third-party applications you can add but I steer clear of those. - Jim On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Thanks for the helpful comments. I'll probably join Facebook. I *am*worried about the black hole Jeff mentions, though. As everyone at > New-Poetry is aware, I tend to answer way too much. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/934b2dbb/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Mar 9 10:39:24 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Finnegan. Michael Schiavo and Steve Scroeder nail it. 'Emperor's new clothes' revisited---a hopeful sign for poetry. Judy 2009/3/9 > Matthew Dickman > > http://michaelschiavo.blogspot.com/2009/03/anti-whitman-or-out-of-many-me-me-me.html > > Tryfon Tolides > http://www.steveschroeder.info/2009/03/latest-hot-blog-topic.html > ------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/671c514e/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Mar 9 10:41:33 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews Message-ID: I'm not a fan of either of these guys' poetry, but the reviews seemed a bit more personal and nasty than necessary. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/5568a354/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:44:39 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <648208b60903090828q7d37d653l34df7499af031fe5@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903090515i64e65e4eo79173260cdcb9f1f@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70903090525n276ec599m22c9d2da611b911b@mail.gmail.com> <49B52C49.6090903@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60903090828q7d37d653l34df7499af031fe5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903090844w4328b5cbi5cd6b4aff879b62d@mail.gmail.com> I am saving the Amazon Forest and the Oceans.... it might be all a farce but I hope it is not. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > It only eats the amount of time you feed it, Bob. Once you're on and it > suggests "friends" to add, you'll no doubt see a lot of familiar names > there. Oh, you might also join "Friends of The Salt River Review" when you > get to the "join groups" part. There are also many third-party applications > you can add but I steer clear of those. > - Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/4260528c/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 9 11:56:22 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <648208b60903090828q7d37d653l34df7499af031fe5@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903090515i64e65e4eo79173260cdcb9f1f@mail.gmail.com><4b65c2d70903090525n276ec599m22c9d2da611b911b@mail.gmail.com><49B52C49.6090903@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60903090828q7d37d653l34df7499af031fe5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB6EEF1C4188B5-E60-1341@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> A friend asked me to join a few weeks ago...& I did. I can't say I really understand the whole purpose behind Facebook beyond being a glorified Group Email function. I don't do a lot of?pix sending...so the capability of sharing photos with friends?is not a benefit to?me. One friend of mine did refer to Facebook as a "time suck." Being on a couple of listservs, blogging a bit, and surfing other sites & blogs uses up about all the time I have left, as I try to keep what's left of my?non-cyber?life?from shrinking any further. So I guess I should really be in Whiskerbook or Winkbook rather than being?a?full?Facebook member.? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:28 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Facebook It only eats the amount of time you feed it, Bob. ?Once you're on and it suggests "friends" to add, you'll no doubt see a lot of familiar names there. ?Oh, you might also join "Friends of The Salt River Review" when you get to the "join groups" part. ?There are also many third-party applications you can add but I steer clear of those. - Jim On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: Thanks for the helpful comments.? I'll probably join Facebook.? I am worried about the black hole Jeff mentions, though.? As everyone at New-Poetry is aware, I tend to answer way too much. --Bob _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/f6f48629/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 9 17:08:51 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> I love it when a fourth-rater sneaks ahead of all the third-raters ahead of him to crop money and publicity. I've given up hoping even that second-raters would get any support from the American Poetry Establishment, and its serfs. The Wilshberians. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 9 17:21:58 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> Before anyone jumps on me, I concede that I got carried away, again.: there /have/ been first-rate American poets who have gotten money in the past few years from the Establishment. The problem is that no first- or second-rate American poet who is doing anything genuinely new has. And a lot of third-raters have. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/c3aebf60/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:25:37 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0903091625j2589610fqadc5c6ed2040a488@mail.gmail.com> I don't know... I don't necessarily have a problem with negative reviews other than feeling they generally don't do anything productive, but there are a couple of moments where this review strays from poems and seems to hint at some deeper personal enmity. Not to mention simple factual errors. For instance, Corea is known for fusion, but he plays "It don't mean a thing" on multiple albums, just as there are MANY album covers not shown in the list of albums that Schiavo links to but represents as if Corea himself had addressed the issue. I suspect there is more going on here than not liking the poems and that makes the review smell pretty bad. Which is too bad because otherwise I think Schiavo does the right things: lots of examples of what he dislikes, reference to those he thinks did it better, etc. I've seen a few Matthew Dickman's poems and they ranged from above-average to quite good imo. Bill Knott, David Graham (? I think it was through him that I heard of Dickman for the first time) and me makes three, balancing the BobG teeter-totter. c From halvard at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:40:10 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I suppose that you *might* find folks who'd agree with you on these points, as long as they're content to allow *you* to define "first-rate," "second-rate," "third-rater" and "genuinely new." Beyond what I've just said, I wouldn't care to comment. Hal, a non-jumper On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Before anyone jumps on me, I concede that I got carried away, again.: there > *have* been first-rate American poets who have gotten money in the past > few years from the Establishment. The problem is that no first- or > second-rate American poet who is doing anything genuinely new has. And a > lot of third-raters have. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some friends play Scrabble together ... if I ever had a free Friday night at home and online...? Seems you can be as involved as you like, or rarely at all, but remain a member with little problem, esp if you make your profile "private."? Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/225a2922/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 9 18:57:00 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49B5ACCC.2050006@opus40.org> I'm for "falsely new." There's far too much genuineness in the world. Halvard Johnson wrote: > I suppose that you /might/ find folks who'd agree with you on these > points, > as long as they're content to allow /you/ to define "first-rate," > "second-rate," > "third-rater" and "genuinely new." > > Beyond what I've just said, I wouldn't care to comment. > > Hal, a non-jumper > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Before anyone jumps on me, I concede that I got carried away, > again.: there /have/ been first-rate American poets who have > gotten money in the past few years from the Establishment. The > problem is that no first- or second-rate American poet who is > doing anything genuinely new has. And a lot of third-raters have. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" > --Don Marquis > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 9 18:58:38 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook In-Reply-To: <383734.58512.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <383734.58512.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B5AD2E.9060300@opus40.org> I get to keep up on what Amy's doing, even though I haven't made it to the city yet. amy king wrote: > It's useful for sending out invites to events, esp based on location. > In fact, Stain of Poetry has a page -- all of the members are reminded > of readings within days. They usually join because they are near the > series. > > Women's Poetry listserv has a page too -- it allows a few more > features than the listserv does such as promoting one's own work, > posting videos and photos, etc. > > Otherwise, I exchange the occasional hello or 'run into' a long lost > bud, but I do not get involved in all of those karma hijinx and > whatnot. Some friends play Scrabble together ... if I ever had a free > Friday night at home and online... > > Seems you can be as involved as you like, or rarely at all, but remain > a member with little problem, esp if you make your profile "private." > > Amy > > _______ > > > Amy's Alias > http://amyking.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:04:14 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <49B5ACCC.2050006@opus40.org> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> <49B5ACCC.2050006@opus40.org> Message-ID: I'd say there's just the right amount. Hal On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > I'm for "falsely new." There's far too much genuineness in the world. > > Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> I suppose that you /might/ find folks who'd agree with you on these >> points, >> as long as they're content to allow /you/ to define "first-rate," >> "second-rate," >> "third-rater" and "genuinely new." >> >> Beyond what I've just said, I wouldn't care to comment. >> >> Hal, a non-jumper >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Bob Grumman > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net>> wrote: >> >> Before anyone jumps on me, I concede that I got carried away, >> again.: there /have/ been first-rate American poets who have >> gotten money in the past few years from the Establishment. The >> problem is that no first- or second-rate American poet who is >> doing anything genuinely new has. And a lot of third-raters have. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" >> --Don Marquis >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090309/8493ba09/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 9 20:12:28 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903091625j2589610fqadc5c6ed2040a488@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com><4 9B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0903091625j2589610fqadc5c6ed2040a488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B5BE7C.1050600@nut-n-but.net> Actually, I believe I've read few Dickman poems and thought them reasonably good. Not worth prizes, though. I only skimmed the review. Not too interested, really. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 9 20:16:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com><4 9B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net><49B5ACCC.2050006@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> Halvard Johnson wrote: > I'd say there's just the right amount. > > Hal I wonder what poet admired by the establishment isn't doing anything falsely considered new by the Establishment. --Bob G. From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 9 20:19:34 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com><4 9B59373.6070403@nut-n-but.net> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net><49B5ACCC.2050006@opus40.org> <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <23E2CF5C-0D78-459F-A43D-BB2C7AB61A2F@ripon.edu> On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I wonder what poet admired by the establishment isn't doing > anything falsely considered new by the Establishment. > > --Bob G. > =================== And I wonder which NewPoetry poster well known to everyone doesn't quite frequently not post anything that could be widely regarded negatively, if not completely confusing, syntax-wise. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Graham Grahamd@Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:09 PM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > David Graham wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >>> I wonder what poet admired by the establishment isn't doing >>> anything falsely considered new by the Establishment. >>> >>> --Bob G. >>> =================== >> >> >> And I wonder which NewPoetry poster well known to everyone doesn't >> quite frequently not post anything that could be widely regarded >> negatively, if not completely confusing, syntax-wise. >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham > Some of us aren't afraid to chance a little confusing syntax once in > a while, although I don't think anyone reading New-Poetry posts > would find my statement confusing. Or anything like your attempt at > a parody. > > --Bob G. > ___________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To reprise the original discussion: Schiavo and Schroeder nailed it, scraping lotsa skin as they did, but hitting all the bases with a real sensitivity to what makes some kinds of bad poetry. Maybe S & S are the New Bob Grumman. Best, Judy Bob's lovely quote: I wonder what poet admired by the establishment isn't doing anything falsely considered new by the Establishment. 2009/3/9 Graham, David > Noted. > > As for what others think of your syntax, or how they may take this little > exchange, I'm all ears. > > > David Graham Grahamd@Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:09 PM, "Bob Grumman" > wrote: > > David Graham wrote: > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > I wonder what poet admired by the establishment isn't doing anything > falsely considered new by the Establishment. > > --Bob G. > =================== > > > > And I wonder which NewPoetry poster well known to everyone doesn't quite > frequently not post anything that could be widely regarded negatively, if > not completely confusing, syntax-wise. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > > Some of us aren't afraid to chance a little confusing syntax once in a > while, although I don't think anyone reading New-Poetry posts would find my > statement confusing. Or anything like your attempt at a parody. > > --Bob G. > > ___________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/6851b8e5/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 01:48:05 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903092255i55e0413fi6e5aa83b7dbac906@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0903090839x179e0ac7vbbcb1c879bc9a081@mail.gmail.com> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> <23E2CF5C-0D78-459F-A43D-BB2C7AB61A2F@ripon.edu> <49B5CCA5.2080701@nut-n-but.net> <597FE5F5-577F-4DA9-9AF1-1DC09FA5DAE3@ripon.edu> <7db1d01b0903092255i55e0413fi6e5aa83b7dbac906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0903092348v3c9fbd39t68d01506d5208423@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > To reprise the original discussion: ?Schiavo and Schroeder nailed it, > scraping lotsa skin as they did, but hitting all the bases with a real > sensitivity to what makes some kinds of bad poetry. ?Maybe S & S are the New > Bob Grumman. There is but one BobG.... I don't know that Schiavo nailed anything.. the stink of a personal agenda is palpable and some obviously wrong facts and absurd extrapolations in the one area I actually know something about (the Corea poem) makes me suspicious and undermines my confidence. One thing I am sure of with Bob is his intellectual honesty. I disagree with Bob, but I admire him and learn from him... whereas I don't think Schiavo's review is wholly honest. Not to mention that I've seen and liked a number of Dickman's poems (most of which are nothing like his New Yorker poems, which certainly weren't my thing). So insofar as Schiavo is making aesthetic judgments I find him further suspect. But on that score reasonable people can and do disagree. c From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Mar 10 02:24:06 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903092348v3c9fbd39t68d01506d5208423@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <49B59686.7050508@nut-n-but.net> <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> <23E2CF5C-0D78-459F-A43D-BB2C7AB61A2F@ripon.edu> <49B5CCA5.2080701@nut-n-but.net> <597FE5F5-577F-4DA9-9AF1-1DC09FA5DAE3@ripon.edu> <7db1d01b0903092255i55e0413fi6e5aa83b7dbac906@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0903092348v3c9fbd39t68d01506d5208423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903100024u54f9f750g456a3b3e1397ff5c@mail.gmail.com> I agree, Chris, about Bob's intellectual honesty. Bob, bless his heart, tends to be generous, open, and ready to admit he's wrong or OTT. Regarding S & S, I've read only the url'ed reviews that Finnegan gave us. I don't find them more personal, obviously wrong or absurd than Bob or other commenters [myself included] on NP or other poetry lists. I think most of us critique as if we're grinding axes and sound as if we're attacking the poets themselves; it takes monumental discipline to do otherwise. That said, understood, and duly noted, I feel it's essential to recognise that the critiques may be in major part spot-on and that the critiquers are reasonable people. It's easy and unwise to dismiss the whole because of some of its parts, to end the discussion as it's just begun. Best, Judy 2009/3/10 Chris Lott > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Judy Prince > wrote: > > To reprise the original discussion: Schiavo and Schroeder nailed it, > > scraping lotsa skin as they did, but hitting all the bases with a real > > sensitivity to what makes some kinds of bad poetry. Maybe S & S are the > New > > Bob Grumman. > > There is but one BobG.... > > I don't know that Schiavo nailed anything.. the stink of a personal > agenda is palpable and some obviously wrong facts and absurd > extrapolations in the one area I actually know something about (the > Corea poem) makes me suspicious and undermines my confidence. > > One thing I am sure of with Bob is his intellectual honesty. I > disagree with Bob, but I admire him and learn from him... whereas I > don't think Schiavo's review is wholly honest. > > Not to mention that I've seen and liked a number of Dickman's poems > (most of which are nothing like his New Yorker poems, which certainly > weren't my thing). So insofar as Schiavo is making aesthetic judgments > I find him further suspect. But on that score reasonable people can > and do disagree. > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/3f852b1a/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 02:30:36 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903100024u54f9f750g456a3b3e1397ff5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> <23E2CF5C-0D78-459F-A43D-BB2C7AB61A2F@ripon.edu> <49B5CCA5.2080701@nut-n-but.net> <597FE5F5-577F-4DA9-9AF1-1DC09FA5DAE3@ripon.edu> <7db1d01b0903092255i55e0413fi6e5aa83b7dbac906@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0903092348v3c9fbd39t68d01506d5208423@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0903100024u54f9f750g456a3b3e1397ff5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0903100030m307ecebfm3d8d87efc223a2cc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > I feel it's essential to recognise that > the critiques may be in major part spot-on and that the critiquers are > reasonable people. ?It's easy and unwise to dismiss the whole because of > some of its parts, to end the discussion as it's just begun. Like I said, it's not just the fact that there appears to be a personal agenda, but also factual inaccuracies and a basic aesthetic position that is at odds with most of the Dickman poems I have seen. So my dismissal, if there is one, is more than just a few isolated parts. More important to note, I'm not trying to end the discussion, but adding to it with my mostly contrary opinion-- is the only way the discussion can continue is by everyone voicing agreement? c From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Mar 10 02:41:06 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bad blog reviews In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903100030m307ecebfm3d8d87efc223a2cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB6ED416BEC65F-9C4-5084@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com> <49B5BF58.8060103@nut-n-but.net> <23E2CF5C-0D78-459F-A43D-BB2C7AB61A2F@ripon.edu> <49B5CCA5.2080701@nut-n-but.net> <597FE5F5-577F-4DA9-9AF1-1DC09FA5DAE3@ripon.edu> <7db1d01b0903092255i55e0413fi6e5aa83b7dbac906@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0903092348v3c9fbd39t68d01506d5208423@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0903100024u54f9f750g456a3b3e1397ff5c@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0903100030m307ecebfm3d8d87efc223a2cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903100041kc034c57h5309427903da8bf5@mail.gmail.com> Chris, what you've just written gives me a sharper idea of what you think of the critiques. I didn't feel that yours was a mostly contrary opinion, nor that your opinion was ending the discussion. My comments weren't aimed at you, but I couldn't, as often, figure out how to enter the discussion, reasonably and quickly, any other way. Perhaps you or someone could suggest a better way. In any event, what I do know is that I'm now going to sleep. Best, Judy 2009/3/10 Chris Lott > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Judy Prince > wrote: > > I feel it's essential to recognise that > > the critiques may be in major part spot-on and that the critiquers are > > reasonable people. It's easy and unwise to dismiss the whole because of > > some of its parts, to end the discussion as it's just begun. > > Like I said, it's not just the fact that there appears to be a > personal agenda, but also factual inaccuracies and a basic aesthetic > position that is at odds with most of the Dickman poems I have seen. > So my dismissal, if there is one, is more than just a few isolated > parts. More important to note, I'm not trying to end the discussion, > but adding to it with my mostly contrary opinion-- is the only way the > discussion can continue is by everyone voicing agreement? > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/777702b3/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 13:34:36 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Litteraria Pragensia Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903101134md00e66aj3c35598107e6cd6b@mail.gmail.com> Litteraria Pragensia: poetry and drama titles--while stocks last ... ----------------------------------------------------------------- COMPLICITIES: BRITISH POETRY 1945-2007 eds. Robin Purves & Sam Ladkin ISBN 978-80-7308-194-2 (paperback). 261pp. Publication date: November 2007. http://litteraria.ff.cuni.cz/books/complicities.html Price: ? 12.00 (not including postage) "... an excellent, timely set of essays ..." --Peter Middleton This collection of essays does not seek to fashion a bespoke 21st-century Albion from the remnants of Britain's various poetic traditions. The poetry considered here, and its criticism too, is by and large critical of the "new imperial suitings" beneath which the old and new networks of power run. The work gathered in these pages knows language and culture to be profoundly complicit across the board in the extension of acts of domination, from the preparation for and execution of war, to the composition of the suicide note, from the overt corrupting of the democratic franchise, to cold calling's interpellation of the human subject as consumer-in-waiting. Contributors to this volume include: Thomas Day, Keston Sutherland, Alizon Brunning, Robin Purves, J.H. Prynne, Bruce Stewart, D.S. Marriott, Stephen Thomson, Craig Dworkin, Sophie Read, Sara Crangle, Malcolm Phillips, Tom Jones, Josh Robinson, Sam Ladkin, Jennifer Cooke, Ian Patterson. ----------------------------------------------------------------- AVANT-POST: THE AVANT-GARDE UNDER "POST-" CONDITIONS ed. Louis Armand ISBN 80-7308-123-7 (paperback). 300pp. Published: September 2006. http://litteraria.ff.cuni.cz/books/avant_post.html Price: ? 12.00 (not including postage) "The question at the heart of these sixteen essays--alternately theoretically demanding, impishly elusive, stylistically impacted, and wholly absorbing--is this: what, in the context of contemporary politico-aesthetic practices, is the avant-garde, and how, if at all, can some version of it continue to exist in an historical moment when ... everything is permitted, hence nothing is any longer possible?" --American Book Review Avant-Post engages the question of whether or not avant-garde practice remains viable under the prevailing conditions of a whole series of "post-" ideologies, from Post-Modernism and Post-Structuralism, to Post-Historicism, Post-Humanism and Post-Ideology itself. ----------------------------------------------------------------- MONOLOGUES ed. Clare Wallace ISBN 80-7308-122-9 (paperback). 330pp. Publication date: December 2006. http://litteraria.ff.cuni.cz/books/monologues.html Price: ? 12.00 (not including postage) Monologue is to be found across the spectrum of modern and postmodern theatre and drama, from Samuel Beckett and Harold Pinter to Karen Finley and Spalding Gray. The theatre of monologue revolves around the ambiguities of narrative as a means of knowing and communicating, and is conditioned by dubious authenticity. This collection will bring together original essays on monologue by theatre scholars and practitioners that address the complexities of the form as it appears in contemporary drama and performance. Contributors: Mateusz Borowski & Malgorzata Sugiera, David Bradby, Daniela Jobertova, Mark Berninger, Laurens De Vos, Eamonn Jordan, Dee Heddon, Catharine McLean-Hopkins, Rebecca D'Monte, Jorge Huerta & Ashley Lucas, Brian Singleton, Eckart Voigts-Virchow & Mark Schreiber, Johannes Birringer. ----------------------------------------------------------------- NEW! STEWART PARKER: TELEVISION PLAYS ed. Clare Wallace ISBN 80-7308-124-5 (paperback). 580pp. Publication date: October 2008. http://litteraria.ff.cuni.cz/books/parker.html Price: ? 16.00 (not including postage) Stewart Parker ranks among Ireland's most innovative dramatists and yet as the twentieth anniversary of his death approaches, critical engagement with his work has still much ground to cover. With the exception of The Actress and the Bishop (1976) and Kingdom Come (1977), Stewart Parker's theatre plays have remained in print with Methuen. This is the only material that is currently widely available to scholars, students and readers. However, Parker's work extends well beyond this known core including numerous journalistic writings, literary criticism, radio and television plays. In honour of the twentieth anniversary of Stewart Parker's death, Litteraria Pragensia Books is proud to announce the publication of a two volume set of Parker's TV plays and journalistic writings with critical introductions. Both volumes provide unique and long overdue perspectives on Parker's work in an accessible format aimed to extend critical acknowledgement of Parker's status as one of the most versatile and engaging writers to emerge in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s. ***For a complete catalogue of Litteraria Pragensia titles please visit our website: www.litterariapragensia.com -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/2331e4dc/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 14:17:08 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for those in Seattle Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903101217k441e43d4w3951f830f337519d@mail.gmail.com> *For tickets, please visit **Brown Paper Tickets* * **or contact Angel Latterell at 206 225-6555 or Mimi Allin at 617 460-6110 *** *WPA Spring Festival at Hugo House* *Around the World in Poetry: A Translation Experiment* Saturday 25 April 10am ? 10pm On Saturday, 25 April 2009, the WPA brings its annual Spring Poetry Festival to Hugo House in Seattle, with a full day of workshops by Sam Green, David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg and Andrea Lingenfelter - workshops in literary translation and in thinking about poetry as a translation of the everyday, working from our experiences, journals and from the mysterious. Followed by a participatory, main-stage event, showcasing poetry in multiple languages and a multi-genre translation experiment, mixing poetry, performance, dance, sound and floral arts. Don?t miss this experiment! Pre-register for workshops online at Brown Paper Ticketsor by calling (206) 225-6555. The main-stage event begins at 8pm. Cost is $10 at the door. All are welcome to attend a very special, pre-show reading & panel discussion on translation moderated by literary journalist Dave Jarecki and a special reading by Beat Poets David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg at 7pm. The pre-show, at 7pm in the Hugo House Theatre, is included in your ticket cost. Please join us! **** *Festival Activities & Fees* **** *10am* *2-hr Translation Workshop* *Andrea Lingenfelter* *Meet at Hugo House 9:45am* *Pre-Registration required / **Register now* *$60 workshop* There are at least as many ways to translate a poem as there are readers of that poem. Work through a poem from the source language (Chinese) to English with an experienced translator of Chinese poetry. We will look at different aspects of the poem and then discuss some of the problems, both practical and theoretical, that translators encounter in the course of the translation process. No knowledge of a foreign language required. Instructor will bring materials. Supplies: students should bring paper and something to write with. This class will meet on the steps of Hugo House at 9:45am and walk to a nearby studio. Students are invited to return to Hugo House after this class for a welcome message and social with poets Sam Green, David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg. Students are welcome to share their work at the open mic at 4pm on the Hugo House Cabaret stage. *12pm* *Welcome & Social Hour* *Sam Green, David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg* *Hugo House Cabaret / Refreshments / Address by WPA president Angel Latterell* *Open to the public* **** *1pm* *3-hr Poetry Workshop* *with Sam Green* *Meet at Hugo House* *Pre-Registration required / **Register now* *$100 per workshop* This workshop will concentrate on the intimate art of observation in the every day. How do we translate the abstract preoccupations of our lives (love, anger, political estrangement, grief) into concrete terms? How do we translate our relationship with the physical world into comprehensible order? The workshop will explore both methodology and forms for approaching these and other concerns. We will be looking at African forms, Irish forms, the small forms of Japanese and Chinese poets, as well as certain contemporary Americans. Students are welcome, immediately after class, to the Hugo House Cabaret for an open mic. *1pm* *3-hr Poetry Workshop* *with David Meltzer* *Meet at Hugo House* *Pre-Registration required / **Register now* *$100 per workshop* *Two-Way Mirror *with David Meltzer: Using *Two-Way Mirror: A Poetry Notebook* as a central text, David Meltzer will consider the rich, often unexplored territories of the genealogy of our poetic tradition, which encompasses the concept of "Before & After Writing." This workshop will investigate both the voice fixed on the page and the voice freed from the page, as well as the triumph of language to remain unknowable. Meltzer writes, "The poem is perhaps the highest verbal form of communication. It illuminates and conceals. It is as precise and as vague as a mirror." Students are welcome, immediately after class, to the Hugo House Cabaret for an open mic. **** *1pm* *3-hr Poetry Workshop* *with Michael Rothenberg* *Meet at Hugo House* *Pre-Registration required / **Register now* *$100 per workshop* "Translation of the Journal into Poetry" with Michael Rothenberg explores journal as poem, source of poem, practice and process, the everyday in a moment flash, "mind graph," "mind breath," "nerve movie," mystery in the visible, social critique and challenging belief, poetry as transcendent experience, how you live your life and what text really means. Includes reading from Rothenberg's *Unhurried Vision*, and discussion of Earl Miner's *The Japanese Poetic Diaries*, Philip Whalen's "Sourdough Mountain Lookout", and Joanne Kyger's "The Real News" and *Strange Big Moon: The Japan and India Journals, 1960-1964*. Supplies: Teacher will provide copies of *Unhurried Vision*. If you could get Kyger's *As Ever, Selected Poems of Joanne Kyger *(Penguin) and *Strange Big Moon: The Japan and India Journals, 1960-1964 *(North Atlantic Books) that would be good. Students are welcome, immediately after class, to the Hugo House Cabaret for an open mic. *4pm* *Open Mic **(Featuring workshop students & teachers)* *Hugo House Cabaret** * *Open to the public* **** *7pm PRE-SHOW* *Meltzer/Rothenberg Reading &* *Translation Panel w/ Dave Jarecki * *Hugo House Theatre* *Open to the public* **** *MAIN EVENT* **** *Around the World of Poetry: An Experiment in Translation* Christian Swenson, Keely Isaak Meehan, Linden Ontjes & Barbara Ann Allin *8-10 pm/Hugo House Theatre* *$10 at the door or at **Brown Paper Tickets* Pre-purchase recommended ?The words on paper are only a tool, they are only a medium, they are only something that is meant to help me get to the original language, to the original poem? *-Kai Nieminen On Translation a lecture a Naropa University* Sit back and listen to the sounds of poetry as we bring you a stage full of international readers (Mongolian poetry, Mandarin poetry, Italian poetry?) followed by a cross-genre experimentation in translation (movement, voice, sound, flowers?). Our aim will be to carry a single poem across multiple genres. How many times can you translate a thing without losing its meaning? The source-poem, chosen in secret by our performers, will be revealed to you at the end of the evening. If someone were to dance you a poem, or draw one, or make it into a floral arrangement, would you be able to write it again? Would its message carry across? We want to know. Come listen, watch and feel a poem as it moves across genres with artists Christian Swenson, Keely Isaak Meehan and Linden Ontjes. Afterwards, we?ll ask you to rewrite that poem and contribute it to a 3-d poetry sculpture. Special "whispering" appearances by David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg. This event produced by A. K. ?Mimi? Allin for the WPA. Open to the public for a fee of $10. Wine bar. Raffle. *Main Event Artist Bios* **** Barbara Ann Allin is an artist, designer and gardener specializing in found and stolen materials. She has the knack for composing pieces that impact entire communities. Her work is often small and random, some might say a gift. She lives in Pennsylvania. Keely Isaak Meehan is a Seattle-based movement and video artist and the founding artistic director of Manifold Motion. Focusing on collaborative and interdisciplinary temporal art, her work is frequently improvisational, exploring the use of structure and fluidity as a means to draw great performance out of the moment. Keely has earned a Professional Diploma in Dance Studies from the Laban Centre: London, a BA in Dance from Oberlin College, and a Certificate in Arts Management from the University of Washington. She is currently studying to become a Certified Movement Analyst with Laban/Bartenieff & Somatic Studies International. In addition to her work with Manifold Motion, Keely works as a solo movement artist and has performed recently with the Asterisk Project and Kate Watson-Wallace/anonymous bodies. Her newest production with Manifold Motion, Woolgatherer, premieres May 2-10, 2009 at the Youngstown Cultural Arts Center. **** Linden Ontjes creates poetry installations that include visual, theatrical, and literary elements. Her most recent poetry installations include: *Three Confessional Poets and the Dirty Laundry Machine* at Artopia; *Alfred Jarry?s Interior Designs and Window Treatments* at the Smoke Farm Festival; *A Cup o? Joe* at Bumbershoot; *Miss Fortune and the Misfortune Cookies* at Synchronicity: An Indie Press Sideshow; *The National Grilled Cheese Poetry Booth* at the Seattle Poetry Festival at Hugo House; and *Limericks on Sticks*, an installation of John Haines? political protest limericks on ersatz Burma Shave signs along the route to the Dredge Festival in Fairbanks, Alaska. Linden served as General Director of Eleventh Hour Productions, a literary arts nonprofit from 2005 ? 2008; as Arts Representative on the Capitol Hill Chamber of Commerce from 2006 ? 2007; and as a current member of the Smoke Farm steering committee COW. From 2004 -2006, she served as the Poetry Editor of *the Seattle Review*. Currently, she teaches poetry at the Hutch School for Seattle Arts & Lectures? WITS program. Linden received individual artist awards in 2008 from 4Culture and Poets & Writers. Her many poetry publication credits include *Ploughshares*, *Prairie Schooner, Nimrod, Arcade, Phoebe, The Louisville Review, The Exquisite Corpse, Poetry Daily, Cranky, Filter, The Comstock Review, RE:AL,*and * Atlanta Review. *She has published literary criticism in *The Writer?s Chronicle, the Seattle Review, Cranky,* *Fairbanks Daily News Mine*, and*Page to Page: Retrospectives of Writers from the Seattle Review. *She is the author of an illustrated novel-in-verse, *Muluc. *For more information*. www.mulucthehero.com.* Christian Swenson has an extensive background in dance, mime, voice and improvisation. He is known for his pioneering work in what he calls "Human Jazz", a global fusion of dance/drama/music for body and voice. In 1977 he received a BA in Theater from the University of New Hampshire and moved to Seattle to work with the Bill Evans Dance Company. Further training has included work with Tony Montanaro; Diane Schenker; Ruth Zapora; Korean shaman, Hi-ah Park, and with the late Pakistani master-singer, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. He has performed with Bill Irwin, The Seattle Symphony Orchestra, and The Jay Clayton/Jim Knapp Collective and in Europe with Jim Nollman of Interspecies Communication Inc. He presently teaches in the Theater programs at Seattle University. For the past 25 years he has been performing creations for the body and voice searching for a more global aesthetic. Since 1980 he has been a touring artist visiting communities and schools in the Northwest and beyond. He has performed and taught throughout North America and in Europe, and Asia. Christian released his first compact disc, ?Off-Road Vocals? in 2000. As a guest artist he has been seen as: The Monster in The Minnesota Opera's production of "Frankenstein", at New York's "Serious Fun at Lincoln Center" and "The New York Improvisation Festival", with The Flying Karamazov Brother's "New Old Time Chautauqua " and the 2002 ?Rolling Thunder Down Home Democracy Tour? and has been heard on National Public Radio's "Sandy Bradley's Potluck. He was a teacher/performer at the 2005 American College Dance Festival in Buffalo, NY and at the 1998 "Body & Soul Northwest" Conference. For three years he has been a Vocalist with the Integrated Music Program at two Seattle hospitals and is a founding member of the improvisational ensemble *Molten Vocals*. He is also a member of the PlayBack Theater group, *Threshold Ensemble*. Christian has received Fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts, Washington State Arts Commission and Artist Trust of Washington. He resides happily in Seattle with his wife, Abigail, and two children. *Workshop Teacher Bios* Samuel Green was born in Sedro-Woolley, Washington, and raised in the nearby fishing and mill town of Anacortes. After four years in the military, including service in Antarctica and South Vietnam, he attended college under the Veterans Vocational Rehabilitation Program, earning degrees from Highline Community College and Western Washington University (B.A. & M.A.). A 30-year veteran of the Poetry-in-the-Schools program, he has taught in literally hundreds of classrooms. He has also taught at Southern Utah University, Western Wyoming Community College, and served six terms as Distinguished Visiting Northwest Writer at Seattle University, including six summers in Ireland. Poems have appeared in hundreds of journals, including *Poetry, Poetry Northwest, Poet & Critic, Poetry East, Southern Poetry Review, Prairie Schooner, *and* Puerto del Sol*. Among his ten collections of poems are *Vertebrae: Poems 1972-1994 *(Eastern Washington University Press) and *The Grace of Necessity* (Carnegie-Mellon University Press), which won the 2008 *Washington State Book Award for Poetry*. He has lived for 26 years off the grid on remote Waldron Island off the Washington coast in a log house he built himself, and is, with his wife, Sally, Co-Editor of the award-winning Brooding Heron Press. In December, 2007, he was named by Governor Christine Gregoire to a two-year term as the first Poet Laureate for the State of Washington, and in January of 2009, he was awarded a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship in Poetry. **** David Meltzer A leading poet of the Beat Movement, David Meltzer was raised in Brooklyn during the war years and performed on radio & early TV on the Horn & Hardart Children?s Hour. He was exiled to L.A. at 16 and at 17 enrolled in an ongoing academy with artists Wallace Berman, George Herms, Robert Alexander and Cameron. Meltzer migrated to San Francisco in l957 for higher education with peers and maestros like Jack Spicer, Robert Duncan, Joanne Kyger, Diane DiPrima, Michael McClure, Lew Welch, Philip Whalen and Jack Hirschman, a cast of thousands all living extraordinary ordinary lives. His *Beat Thing *[La Alameda Press, 2004] won the Josephine Miles PEN Award, 2005. Meltzer was editor and interviewer for *San Francisco Beat: Talking With The Poets *[City Lights, 2001]. With Steve Dickison, he co-edits *Shuffle Boil*, a magazine devoted to music in all of its appearances & disappearances. 2005 saw the publication of David's *Copy: The Selected Poems of David Meltzer *by Viking/Penguin, a collection spanning over 40 years of work that paints a vivid portrait of Meltzer's life as a poet through poems taken from 30 of his previous books of poetry. With a versatile style and playful tone, Meltzer offers his unique vision of civilization with a range of juxtapositions from Jewish mysticism and everyday life to jazz and pop culture. Michael Rothenberg is a poet, songwriter, and editor and publisher of Big Bridge magazine online at www.bigbridge.org). His poems have been published widely in small press publications including, 88: A Journal of Contemporary American Poetry, Berkeley Poetry Review, Exquisite Corpse, First Intensity, Fish Drum, Fulcrum, Golden Handcuffs Review, Tricycle, and Jacket. His poetry books include Man/Woman, a collaboration with Joanne Kyger, The Paris Journals (Fish Drum Press), Monk Daddy (Blue Press), Unhurried Vision (La Alameda/University of New Mexico Press), and most recently CHOOSE, Selected Poems (Big Bridge Press. He is also author of the novel Punk Rockwell. Rothenberg's 2005 CD collaboration with singer Elya Finn, was praised by poet David Meltzer as "fabulous-all [the] songs sound like Weimar Lenya & postwar Nico, lushly affirmative at the same time being edged w/ cosmic weltschmertz. An immensely tasty production." He is also editor for the Penguin Poet series, which includes selected works of Philip Whalen, Joanne Kyger, David Meltzer and Ed Dorn. He has recently completed the Collected Poems of Philip Whalen for Wesleyan University Press. ** Andrea Lingenfelter is a poet and translator of contemporary Chinese poetry, fiction and film subtitles. She has lived and worked in China and travels there regularly to meet with writers and buy books. Her translations of contemporary Chinese poetry have appeared in a number of literary journals and anthologies. She is the translator of the novels *Candy* by Mian Mian (Back Bay Books), and *Farewell My Concubine* by Lilian Lee (William Morrow and Company). In the spring of 2008, she received a Pen Translation Fund Grant to translate Annie Baobei's 2006 novel, *Padma*. She is currently working on a collection of translations of poetry by Zhai Yongming for Zephyr Press. Future projects include Wang Anyi's novel *Qimeng shidai* (*The Age of Enlightenment*) and a volume of translations of work by Shanghai poet Wang Yin. ------------------------------ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check it all out here: www.ShampooPoetry.com Poets & translators include Stephanie Young, Uljana Wolf, Jan Wagner, David Trinidad, Thien Tran, Barbara Thimm, Mark Terrill, Brian Teare, Gary Sullivan, Ramsey Scott, Tom Schulz, Katharina Schultens, Sabine Scho, JD Schneider, Ulrike Almut Sandig, Andre Rudolph, Jan Volker R?hnert, Lawrence Rinder, Nikola Richter, Kevin Prufer, Georgina Paul, Ethan Paquin, Danielle Pafunda, Peter Nickowitz, Daniel Nester, Steph Morris, Sara Larsen, Norbert Lange, Wayne Koestenbaum, Kevin Killian, Ernst Herbeck, Duriel E. Harris, Catherine Hales, Matthias Goeritz, Jane Gibian, Iain Galbraith, Johannes CS Frank, Michael Farrell, Daniel Falb, Carl Christian Elze, Peter Covino, Ann Cotten, CAConrad, Jenny Boully, Jennifer Blowdryer, Nico Bleutge, Mark Bibbins, Susan Bernofsky, Dodie Bellamy, Toby Axelrod & Shane Allison, with scratch&sniff SHAMPOOArt by Otto Chan. Thanks for supporting nine years of SHAMPOO! Pertly yours, Del Ray Cross, Editor SHAMPOO clean hair / good poetry www.ShampooPoetry.com -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/88fff74c/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 10 18:10:33 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan Message-ID: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/03/a-poets-shrine.html I had never heard of Rahman Baba before militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan a few days ago. I now know that he is a beloved Pashto mystic and poet. He lived in the seventeenth century and, legend has it, wept so profusely that there were wounds on his cheeks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/a4993877/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 10 20:07:38 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan In-Reply-To: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> This story reminded me of an old poem... Buddha Blasted to Bits The Taliban are a misguided lot, it?s true. But what is this hue and cry I hear? This monument is you and not me. Did I ask to be carved into a cliffside, a huge edifice with a sky for a mirror. The drills trepanning my bald cranium, the nitro and black powder poured into the slots. Blasting caps primed, I?m ready to be blown away. I?ve been waiting for the wind and sand to do as much, the same work, only so slowly. You forget, I?ve seen stars explode.? That rounded stone in the mountain stream is my eye. Blind only to those who don?t notice.?A leaf swept along with the current is my ear, hears my laughter in water that was once ice. Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 7:10 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/03/a-poets-shrine.html I had never heard of Rahman Baba before militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan a few days ago. I now know that he is a beloved Pashto mystic and poet. He lived in the seventeenth century and, legend has it, wept so profusely that there were wounds on his cheeks. Worried about job security? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090310/10d700e7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 03:17:52 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic In-Reply-To: <896047.61377.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4b65c2d70903101420k535084c9q5fb3bf10c0e41b84@mail.gmail.com> <896047.61377.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903110117t3598c3eepd77f4ad62b3d0a0c@mail.gmail.com> This is simply Superb! Thank you! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:47 AM, wrote: > * > * > > *Piaristenkirche Maria Treu* > > * > http://photoartkalmar.com/Photoart%20Kalmar%20high%20res/Gigapixel/Piaristenkircheflash.html > * > > > Cheers, > > Kaz Maslanka > ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/19bbe8dc/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 11 09:30:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] women lead the race for poetry's top two jobs Message-ID: <8CB706D073AA511-7EC-2924@WEBMAIL-DZ36.sysops.aol.com> http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/mar/11/arts-diary two most important positions in the British poetry establishment are about to be filled - and it looks likely, for the first time ever, that both incumbents will be women. An announcement is expected in the next few weeks on the poet laureate to succeed Andrew Motion when he steps down in May. That same month, an election will be held to find a replacement for Christopher Ricks as the Oxford professor of poetry - a position held, variously, by Matthew Arnold, WH Auden and Seamus Heaney. For the poet laureateship, speculation has been whirring around a few names, including Carol Ann Duffy and Simon Armitage, but the smart money seems to have settled on Duffy. For the professorship of poetry - in which candidates are nominated, and voted for, by members of the university and alumni - Ruth Padel has emerged as the frontrunner. Derek Walcott has also been formally nominated, but Padel has a vigorous campaign behind her - and is extremely enthusiastic about the ?6,901 post. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/7be1c995/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 11 09:59:46 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] NEH Grant Will Save Important Poetry Recordings Message-ID: <8CB707127205353-960-C@WEBMAIL-DZ36.sysops.aol.com> http://www.buffalo.edu/news/9972 BUFFALO, N.Y. -- The Poetry Collection of the University at Buffalo Libraries has received a grant for $202,241 from the Preservation and Access Program of the National Endowment for the Humanities to reformat, catalog and make accessible 1,340 cassette and reel-to-reel audio recordings of poetry materials held in the collection. The digitization and cataloging of these audio materials will further the Poetry Collection's mission to promote the study of 20th- and 21-century poetry written in English. The recorded work dates from 1962 to 2000 and falls into three categories... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/22af8c53/attachment.html From locriansky at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 10:14:15 2009 From: locriansky at yahoo.com (locriansky@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903110117t3598c3eepd77f4ad62b3d0a0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903101420k535084c9q5fb3bf10c0e41b84@mail.gmail.com> <896047.61377.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4b65c2d70903110117t3598c3eepd77f4ad62b3d0a0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <701953.64499.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Pleasure :) K ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:17:52 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic This is simply Superb! Thank you! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:47 AM, wrote: Piaristenkirche Maria Treu http://photoartkalmar.com/Photoart%20Kalmar%20high%20res/Gigapixel/Piaristenkircheflash.html Cheers, Kaz Maslanka _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy 2009/3/11 > My Pleasure > :) > K > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:17:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic > > This is simply Superb! Thank you! > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:47 AM, wrote: > >> * >> * >> >> *Piaristenkirche Maria Treu* >> >> * >> http://photoartkalmar.com/Photoart%20Kalmar%20high%20res/Gigapixel/Piaristenkircheflash.html >> * >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kaz Maslanka >> ** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/8f3b68fe/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:11:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] easier Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903111011t7b3a7c0ay9c5234023fa34b1f@mail.gmail.com> to read my pOm in English, but if you wish to listen to it in Romanian... and with my thank you to Lidia Vianu! Her link on the Corner: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=88 ___________________________ The broadcast translations of the *European Poetry pRo Project* (initiated by *Lidia Vianu and Anne Stewart)* can be listened to daily between March 16-22, at 21:50 (London time) and 23:50 (Bucharest time) at *http://cultural.srr.ro/ *or *Radio Romania Cultural ( 101,3 FM )* Proiectul European pRO - Traducerea poeziei contemporane ( Proiect ini?iat de Prof. Dr. LIDIA VIANU, Director al C T I T C ?i de ANNE STEWART, Agent literar, Londra ) Emisiuni de poezie universal? Postul Radio Rom?nia Cultural Ora: 23,50 - 24,00 XLV. 16.03.2009 Maggie Butt Ioana Ioni?? Anne Stewart XLVI. 17.03.2009 Carol Rumens Alexandra Blaj John Mole Deborah Tyler Bennett XLVII. 18.03.2009 Elaine Feinstein Carmen-Oana Dumitru XLVIII. 19.03.2009 Carol Rumens Elena-Raluca Nebunoiu XLIX. 21.03.2009 Fiona Sampson Lavinia Zainea LX. 22.03.2009 Anny Ballardini Traducere: Florentina Yvonne Penciu Lectur?: Ioana Ioni?? *The poems are translated and recited by the students of Lidia Vianu's MA Programme for the Translation of the Contemporary Literary Text, from the Faculty of Foreign Languages and Literatures, Bucharest University.* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/52a838d5/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:36:38 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan In-Reply-To: <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903111036i6b1760a4o3dd3d00349fd3d99@mail.gmail.com> A great poem, is this yours? On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 AM, wrote: > This story reminded me of an old poem... > > > Buddha Blasted to Bits > > > The Taliban are a misguided lot, it?s true. > But what is this hue and cry I hear? > This monument is you and not me. > Did I ask to be carved into a cliffside, > a huge edifice with a sky for a mirror. > The drills trepanning my bald cranium, > > the nitro and black powder poured > into the slots. Blasting caps primed, > I?m ready to be blown away. I?ve been waiting > for the wind and sand to do as much, > the same work, only so slowly. > > You forget, I?ve seen stars explode. > That rounded stone in the mountain stream > is my eye. Blind only to those who > don?t notice. A leaf swept along > with the current is my ear, hears > my laughter in water that was once ice. > > > Message----- > From: jforjames@aol.com > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 7:10 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in > Pakistan > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/03/a-poets-shrine.html > > I had never heard of Rahman Baba before militants blew up his shrine in > Pakistan a few days ago. I now know that he is a beloved Pashto mystic and > poet. He lived in t he seventeenth century and, legend has it, wept so > profusely that there were wounds on his cheeks. > > ------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 AM, wrote: This story reminded me of an old poem... Buddha Blasted to Bits The Taliban are a misguided lot, it?s true. But what is this hue and cry I hear? This monument is you and not me. Did I ask to be carved into a cliffside, a huge edifice with a sky for a mirror. The drills trepanning my bald cranium, the nitro and black powder poured into the slots. Blasting caps primed, I?m ready to be blown away. I?ve been waiting for the wind and sand to do as much, the same work, only so slowly. You forget, I?ve seen stars explode.? That rounded stone in the mountain stream is my eye. Blind only to those who don?t notice.?A leaf swept along with the current is my ear, hears my laughter in water that was once ice. Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 7:10 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/03/a-poets-shrine.html I had never heard of R ahman Baba before militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan a few days ago. I now know that he is a beloved Pashto mystic and poet. He lived in t he seventeenth century and, legend has it, wept so profusely that there were wounds on his cheeks. Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/a84a973d/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 11 14:27:42 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] letterpress to the rescue Message-ID: <8CB70969539F021-1564-126F@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Yesterday I attended a reading held in conjunction with this exhibit. http://library.trincoll.edu/research/watk/exhibitions/index.cfm Modern American Poets and Their Printers An Exhibition February 2 to June 15, 2009 and A Poetry Reading by Clare Rossini Tuesday, March 10 at 4:30 in the Watkinson Library And seeing the exhibit impelled me to?blog this... There is nothing like seeing a display of fine letterpress books and broadsheets, the simple & elegant designs, the almost palpable fonts, the textures and muted colors of the beautiful papers, to restore one?s faith in poetry in its purest sense. Even slight discolorations at the edges of pages, or the fading of some of the text, reminds you of what it was that first drew you to the art of poetry. http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ Even more so with the flash & pace of poetry/pobiz as it gets played out on the web, seeing works of poetry attended to with such care, handmade books?or?produced with the help of simple machines...that slowness, the painstaking aspect of creating?letterpress work, I find deeply appealing. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/e622f2b6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 15:07:02 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] letterpress to the rescue In-Reply-To: <8CB70969539F021-1564-126F@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB70969539F021-1564-126F@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Finnegan. It wasn't the paper--with or without discolorations. Hal, speaking of course only for himself On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:27 PM, wrote: > Yesterday I attended a reading held in conjunction with this exhibit. > > http://library.trincoll.edu/research/watk/exhibitions/index.cfm > Modern American Poets and Their Printers > An Exhibition > February 2 to June 15, 2009 > and > A Poetry Reading by Clare Rossini > Tuesday, March 10 at 4:30 in the Watkinson Library > > And seeing the exhibit impelled me to blog this... > > There is nothing like seeing a display of fine letterpress books and > broadsheets, the simple & elegant designs, the almost palpable fonts, the > textures and muted colors of the beautiful papers, to restore one?s faith in > poetry in its purest sense. Even slight discolorations at the edges of > pages, or the fading of some of the text, reminds you of what it was that > first drew you to the art of poetry. > > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > > Even more so with the flash & pace of poetry/pobiz as it gets played out on > the web, seeing works of poetry attended to with such care, handmade > books or produced with the help of simple machines...that slowness, the > painstaking aspect of creating letterpress work, I find deeply appealing. > > Finnegan > > ------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/dd516158/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 15:44:29 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan In-Reply-To: <8CB709531D18CD9-1564-11E6@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70903111036i6b1760a4o3dd3d00349fd3d99@mail.gmail.com> <8CB709531D18CD9-1564-11E6@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903111344p65b0b41dw61b4909f24bcaa85@mail.gmail.com> Anny says she thanks you for having thanked her, well yes, more or less something like that. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:17 PM, wrote: > Thanks, Anny, I tell the guy who wrote it that you liked it. I know him > pretty well. In fact I saw him just this morning while shaving. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 1:36 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his > shrine in Pakistan > > A great poem, is this yours? > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 AM, >wrote: > >> This story reminded me of an old poem... >> >> >> Buddha Blasted to Bits >> >> >> The Taliban are a misguided lot, it?s true. >> But what is this hue and cry I hear? >> This monument is you and not me. >> Did I ask to be carved into a cliffside, >> a huge edifice with a sky for a mirror. >> The drills trepanning my bald cranium, >> >> the nitro and black powder poured >> into the slots. Blasting caps primed, >> I?m ready to be blown away. I?ve been waiting >> for the wind and sand to do as much, >> the same work, only so slowly. >> >> You forget, I?ve seen stars explode. >> That rounded stone in the mountain stream >> is my eye. Blind only to those who >> don?t no tice. A leaf swept along >> with the current is my ear, hears >> my laughter in water that was once ice. >> >> >> Message----- >> From: jforjames@aol.com >> To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 7:10 pm >> Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine >> in Pakistan >> >> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/03/a-poets-shrine.html >> >> I had never heard of Rahman Baba before militants blew up his shrine in >> Pakistan a few days ago. I now know that he is a beloved Pashto mystic and >> poet. He lived in t he seventeenth century and, legend has it, wept so >> profusely that there were wounds on his cheeks. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/b8e845cb/attachment.html From ciccariello at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 16:20:56 2009 From: ciccariello at gmail.com (Peter) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Rahman Baba, militants blew up his shrine in Pakistan In-Reply-To: <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6FEC8CACC635-9FC-BF3@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6FFCE7C210BD-9FC-1105@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8f3fdbad0903111420y6196b2a1u699928733e07869c@mail.gmail.com> Stellar poem, loved it. - Peter On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:07 PM, wrote: > This story reminded me of an old poem... > > > Buddha Blasted to Bits > > > The Taliban are a misguided lot, it?s true. > But what is this hue and cry I hear? > This monument is you and not me. > Did I ask to be carved into a cliffside, > a huge edifice with a sky for a mirror. > The drills trepanning my bald cranium, > > the nitro and black powder poured > into the slots. Blasting caps primed, > I?m ready to be blown away. I?ve been waiting > for the wind and sand to do as much, > the same work, only so slowly. > > You forget, I?ve seen stars explode. > That rounded stone in the mountain stream > is my eye. Blind only to those who > don?t notice. A leaf swept along > with the current is my ear, hears > my laughter in water that was once ice. > > > Message----- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even slight > discolorations at the edges of pages, or the fading of some of the > text, reminds you of what it was that first drew you to the art of > poetry. > > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > > Even more so with the flash & pace of poetry/pobiz as it gets > played out on the web, seeing works of poetry attended to with > such care, handmade books or produced with the help of simple > machines...that slowness, the painstaking aspect of > creating letterpress work, I find deeply appealing. > > Finnegan > Great appreciation, James. Have to be an editor, though: "handmade books or produced" would work much better for me as "books made by hand or with the help. . . " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/e7138047/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 11 19:04:23 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] letterpress to the rescue In-Reply-To: References: <8CB70969539F021-1564-126F@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB70BD3C35C3DA-874-2010@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> synecdoche -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] letterpress to the rescue Sorry, Finnegan. It wasn't the paper--with or without discolorations. Hal, speaking of course only for himself On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:27 PM, wrote: Yesterday I attended a reading held in conjunction with this exhibit. http://library.trincoll.edu/research/watk/exhibitions/index.cfm Modern American Poets and Their Printers An Exhibition February 2 to June 15, 2009 and A Poetry Reading by Clare Rossini Tuesday, March 10 at 4:30 in the Watkinson Library And seeing the exhibit impelled me to?blog this... There is nothing like seeing a display of fine letterpress books and broadsheets, the simple & elegant designs, the almost palpable fonts, the textures and muted colors of the beautiful papers, to restore one?s faith in poetry in its purest sense. Even slight discolorations at the edges of pages, or the fading of some of the text, reminds you of what it was that first drew you to the art of poetry. http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ Even more so with the flash & pace of poetry/pobiz as it gets played out on the web, seeing works of poetry attended to with such care, handmade books?or?produced with the help of simple machines...that slowness, the painstaking aspect of creating?letterpress work, I find deeply appealing. Finnegan Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a20recession. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "A hypocrite is a person who--but who isn't?" ? ? ? --Don Marquis Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090311/08119cdb/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 12:31:19 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> Message-ID: <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. - Jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ecostamps Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? To: cervantes.james@gmail.com *[image: QUESTION]* Why should authors be self-selective with submissions if they can submit to 1,223 journals as easily as 1? *[image: EMAIL OFFERS...]* - Spam - Viruses, worms, bots, Trojan horses - Spam filters that automatically delete submissions - Hard-drive crashes - Little incentive for authors to become familiar with markets *[image: ECOSTAMPS OFFERS...]* - *Dollars* to offset operating costs and pay authors - A streamlined review process - Tools to efficiently provide substantive feedback to authors - The ability to process contest fees, subscriptions, and back-issue orders online - Automated blind review of contest submissions - Streamlined multi-person review and collaboration - *NO* spam, viruses, worms, bots, or Trojan horses - *NO* hard drive crashes or accidental deletions - Strong incentives for authors and editors to support each other and help expand the universe of readers *[image: QUESTION]* Why accept submissions only by email when you can offer authors this choice? Options are *GOOD*. Authors who believe their work merits compensation or want feedback will likely opt for Ecostamps. Those who desire the benefits of publication but prefer not to be self-selective or to provide nominal financial support to literary magazines will opt for email. Ecostamps is a two-way street that enables a shared commitment between authors and editors. Learn more about Ecostamps at www.ecostamps.org . *[image: ECOSTAMPS]* (www.ecostamps.org) is a not-for-profit web-based submission management application that streamlines the review process, facilitates editorial feedback, and, most importantly, provides direct financial support to literary magazines and literacy programs. *[image: HOW ECOSTAMPS WORKS]* - Registration is *FREE!* - Editors use Ecostamps Assessments, an easy-to-use, highly customizable tool, to efficiently review and evaluate submissions. - Editors earn *$1* for each Assessment completed. - *100%* of Ecostamps fees after expenses directly supports literacy programs. Ecostamps is a market solution that aligns interests and provides incentives to create value for editors, authors, readers, and the environment. Learn more about Ecostamps at www.ecostamps.org . Ecostamps is another solution by Leaf Storm, LLC P.O. Box 268 ? Scottsville ? Virginia ? 24590 www.leafstorm.org info@leafstorm.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/a0f76f5a/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 12:45:07 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Help stamp out editors. Hal On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. > - Jim > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ecostamps > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM > Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? > To: cervantes.james@gmail.com > > > *[image: QUESTION]* > > Why should authors be self-selective with submissions if they can submit to > 1,223 journals as easily as 1? > > *[image: EMAIL OFFERS...]* > > - Spam > - Viruses, worms, bots, Trojan horses > - Spam filters that automatically delete submissions > - Hard-drive crashes > - Little incentive for authors to become familiar with markets > > *[image: ECOSTAMPS OFFERS...]* > > - *Dollars* to offset operating costs and pay authors > - A streamlined review process > - Tools to efficiently provide substantive feedback to authors > - The ability to process contest fees, subscriptions, and back-issue > orders online > - Automated blind review of contest submissions > - Streamlined multi-person review and collaboration > - *NO* spam, viruses, worms, bots, or Trojan horses > - *NO* hard drive crashes or accidental deletions > - Strong incentives for authors and editors to support each other and > help expand the universe of readers > > *[image: QUESTION]* > > Why accept submissions only by email when you can offer authors this > choice? > > Options are *GOOD*. > > Authors who believe their work merits compensation or want feedback will > likely opt for Ecostamps. > > Those who desire the benefits of publication but prefer not to be > self-selective or to provide nominal financial support to literary magazines > will opt for email. > > Ecostamps is a two-way street that enables a shared commitment between > authors and editors. > > Learn more about Ecostamps at www.ecostamps.org > . > > *[image: ECOSTAMPS]* (www.ecostamps.org) > is a not-for-profit web-based submission management application that > streamlines the review process, facilitates editorial feedback, and, most > importantly, provides direct financial support to literary magazines and > literacy programs. > *[image: HOW ECOSTAMPS WORKS]* > > - Registration is *FREE!* > - Editors use Ecostamps Assessments, > an easy-to-use, highly customizable tool, to efficiently review and evaluate > submissions. > - Editors earn *$1* for each Assessment completed. > - *100%* of Ecostamps fees after expenses directly supports literacy > programs. > > Ecostamps is a market solution that aligns interests and provides > incentives to create value for editors, authors, readers, and the > environment. > > Learn more about Ecostamps at www.ecostamps.org > . > Ecostamps is another solution by Leaf Storm, LLC > P.O. Box 268 ? Scottsville ? Virginia ? 24590 > www.leafstorm.org > info@leafstorm.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/19b2cd5a/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:11:40 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903121111k4e9bd681i9ac9c1e532c77d5@mail.gmail.com> James, do you know the Editor? I received a couple of mails on similar lines by someone else, and I deleted the mails. Or, here is another question, is there anybody who knows this Editor? On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Help stamp out editors. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. >> - Jim >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ecostamps >> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM >> Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? >> To: cervantes.james@gmail.com >> >> -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/b17bcaef/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 12 13:40:41 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903121111k4e9bd681i9ac9c1e532c77d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70903121111k4e9bd681i9ac9c1e532c77d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B95729.7060009@opus40.org> Does anyone really know the Editor? Anny Ballardini wrote: > James, do you know the Editor? I received a couple of mails on similar > lines by someone else, and I deleted the mails. Or, here is another > question, is there anybody who knows this Editor? > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Halvard Johnson > wrote: > > Help stamp out editors. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes > > wrote: > > >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. > > - Jim > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Ecostamps* > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM > Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? > To: cervantes.james@gmail.com > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:58:22 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: <49B95729.7060009@opus40.org> References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70903121111k4e9bd681i9ac9c1e532c77d5@mail.gmail.com> <49B95729.7060009@opus40.org> Message-ID: The Editor is ultimately unknowable, unfathomable. Hal, who knows On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Does anyone really know the Editor? > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> James, do you know the Editor? I received a couple of mails on similar >> lines by someone else, and I deleted the mails. Or, here is another >> question, is there anybody who knows this Editor? >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Halvard Johnson > halvard@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Help stamp out editors. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes >> > wrote: >> >> >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. >> >> - Jim >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *Ecostamps* > >> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM >> Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? >> To: cervantes.james@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/a0da6eda/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:08:15 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? In-Reply-To: References: <23702257.16901236873955066.JavaMail.SYSTEM@WEBE42> <648208b60903121031g4ee59286g63b96049afca3b5e@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70903121111k4e9bd681i9ac9c1e532c77d5@mail.gmail.com> <49B95729.7060009@opus40.org> Message-ID: <648208b60903121208q30983ddawa8b3d053f0ab15cc@mail.gmail.com> Yes, The Editor is Everyone, and No One. The Meta-Editor. - Jim On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > The Editor is ultimately unknowable, unfathomable. > > Hal, who knows > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Does anyone really know the Editor? >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >>> James, do you know the Editor? I received a couple of mails on similar >>> lines by someone else, and I deleted the mails. Or, here is another >>> question, is there anybody who knows this Editor? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Halvard Johnson >> halvard@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Help stamp out editors. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. >>> >>> - Jim >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *Ecostamps* >> >> >>> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM >>> Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? >>> To: cervantes.james@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? > --Andrew Carnegie > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, here is another > question, is there anybody who knows this Editor? > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Help stamp out editors. >> >> Hal >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, James Cervantes < >> cervantes.james@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >From this editor: I'll pass, thank you. >>> - Jim >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Ecostamps >>> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM >>> Subject: Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? >>> To: cervantes.james@gmail.com >>> >>> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Alexander Dickow wrote: > > O let us recite the Names of the Editor with joy! > Amicalement, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/b082ab46/attachment.html From editor at pavementsaw.org Thu Mar 12 15:20:50 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (editor@pavementsaw.org) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions: Email or Ecostamps? Message-ID: <725850.56843.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ultimately unknowable, unfathomable: that's me! Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From editor at pavementsaw.org Thu Mar 12 15:22:01 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions Message-ID: <381858.49677.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am the editor goo goo ga jube Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 18:26:57 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions In-Reply-To: <381858.49677.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <381858.49677.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648208b60903121626n5346571cpe1c19481dbda54e8@mail.gmail.com> You are THE Editor? Sheesh. I thought I was. - Jim On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM, David Baratier wrote: > > I am the editor > goo goo ga jube > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For many years I believed that the great Polish poet Zbigniew Herbert traveled by bus to the places he describes in Barbarian in the Garden. Each time I re-read Barbarian I could picture him wearing a white shirt, sleeves rolled up, wiping sweat off his forehead, and climbing onto a dust-covered bus. Since I had no clue what an Italian bus would have looked like at the time of Herbert's journeys, it invariably resembled the dilapidated Polish bus I used to ride as a child in the late Fifties and early Sixties, and the background I envisioned could have come straight from a Rosellini or a De Sica movie. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090312/3ca539bd/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:12:42 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics of Hip Hop Message-ID: <8CB720DAC2C54FE-F0C-2C3@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> http://www.vibe.com/news/online_exclusives/2009/03/rhymes_with_reason/ An excerpt from Adam Bradley's, Book of Rhymes: The Poetics of Hip Hop >From the author: In my new book, Book of Rhymes: The Poetics of Hip Hop, I explore the ways that MCs have transformed the poetic tradition, extending the legacy of William Shakespeare and Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Gwendolyn Brooks. I argue that over the last four decades rap has helped bring about a renaissance of the word, returning rhythm, rhyme and wordplay to our daily lives. What follows is an excerpt from the book in which I describe how I uncovered an important truth about rap?s poetry in an unexpected place: a nearly abandoned beach in Brazil. ********************************************** Rhythm is rap?s reason for being. I realized this several years ago in an unlikely place, a beach in a small seaside town outside of Rio de Janeiro. Unable to speak Portuguese, I had been making do by resorting to the traveler?s Esperanto of smiles and hand gestures, but I hungered for familiar words. One afternoon as I walked along the beach, I contented myself by idly reciting rap verses that came to mind. I was in the midst of Inspectah Deck?s opening lines from the Wu-Tang Clan?s ?Triumph? 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She has also written for film; the latest, Everywhere At Once, was narrated by Jeanne Moreau and presented at The Cannes and Tribeca Film Festivals. Hahn has taught in the MFA Programs at N.Y.U. and the University of Houston and is currently a Distinguished Professor in the English Department and MFA Program at Queens College, The City University of New York. She is working on a new collection, Toxic Flora, poems prompted by science articles. TRACIE MORRIS is an interdisciplinary poet who has worked extensively as a sound poet, bandleader and multimedia performer. Her sound installations have been presented at the Whitney Biennial and the Jamaica Center for Arts and Learning. Tracie is the recipient of numerous awards for poetry and performance and has contributed to, and been written about in, several anthologies of literary criticism. She holds an MFA from Hunter College and a PhD from New York University. From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:19:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Poets' Corner: Update Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903141319p48d86c9eqad0fb584016485bc@mail.gmail.com> All poems begin as ?word clouds? in the mind. *James Finnegan* from *Ursprache * * * A long due update of the Poets? Corner with excellent Authors. Enjoy. * * *Wendy Taylor Carlisle * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=321 *Tim Mayo * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=323 * * *Charles Bernstein * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=324 *Lars Palm * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=325 *George Bowering * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=326 *Francesco Levato * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=327 *Lois Roma-Deeley * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=328 *Laura Kennelly * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=330 *Ned Condini * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=331 *John M. Bennett * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=332 *Alexander Jorgensen * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=334 *Tom Savage * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=335 *Ada Jill Schneider * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=336 *Heather Derr-Smith * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=337 * * *New Poems by already featured Authors:* *Amy King* ? MEN BY THE LIPS OF WOMEN http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2694 *Bob Gurmman* - DivisionOfMagic http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2719 *Jill Chan* ? Not Even Us http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2847 Nature http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2848 None That Cannot Be Said http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2849 Faith http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2850 *Tad Richards* ? situations Episode XXI http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2892 *Larry Jaffe* ? A RENAISSANCE OF HUMAN RIGHTS http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2894 HEMORRHAGING http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2895 ODE TO GALLANTRY http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2896 LAUGH WITH ME http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2897 AESTHETIC LIGHTNING http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2898 As usual the order follows the one by which I received the contributions, with my acknowledgment to all contributing Poets and Artists, my best wishes, Anny Ballardini -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > Allison Joseph's new blog ( http://therondeauroundup.blogspot.com/ ) and a > night alone prompted the thing, and it's podcast here: > http://www.mikesnider.org/listenup/listenup_files/youre_all_i_need.html > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaristenkirche_Maria_Treu_Vienna Thanks, kaz ________________________________ From: Judy Prince To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:24:28 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic Yes, it's gorgeous. Can you tell us about it? Judy 2009/3/11 My Pleasure :) K ________________________________ From: Anny Ballardini To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:17:52 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic This is simply Superb! Thank you! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:47 AM, wrote: Piaristenkirche Maria Treu http://photoartkalmar.com/Photoart%20Kalmar%20high%20res/Gigapixel/Piaristenkircheflash.html Cheers, Kaz Maslanka _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I keep getting lost in this particular virtual tour, twirling around the ceiling frescoes with the left/right arrows, zooming into cherubs sitting on the edges of huge carved furnishings, plunging down to carved-wood roses and leaves on the pews' corners much-touched by visitors' hands. One cannot help but be struck by the consistent restrained exuberance of each crafted decorative element, noting the various materials' related warm colours that unify all. The url again: *Piaristenkirche Maria Treu* *http://photoartkalmar.com/ Photoart%20Kalmar%20high% 20res/Gigapixel/ Piaristenkircheflash.html * Now to see if my favourite cathedral, Salisbury Cathedral in Salisbury Wiltshire UK, has such a virtual tour. Salisbury Cathedral differs significantly, of course, from Piaristenkirche Maria Treu, its astonishingly exquisite balanced architectural elements the focus, rather than its decorative elements. Best, Judy 2009/3/16 > HI Judy, > > I am sorry I got back to you so late however; I have to admit I know > very little about this cathedral. I did look it up on wiki as well as > Googled it. Here is a wiki page. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaristenkirche_Maria_Treu_Vienna > > Thanks, > > kaz > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:24:28 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Here is a bit of digital magic > > Yes, it's gorgeous. Can you tell us about it? > Judy > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Poems of all styles and modes -- historical, personal, political, confessional, formal, experimental, regional, global, nostalgic, critical, hybrid, and especially those styles and modes the editors have not yet foreseen -- are welcome. We are not looking for critical/academic works at this time. Submissions for dossier and regular sections of the magazine are welcome. If you would like to submit poems for either or both sections, our submission period is March 1-June 30 of each year. We do not accept more than one submission per poet during our submission/reading period. Please note that we do not accept more than five pages of poetry. Email submissions are not accepted. Please supply a SASE for notification only. Submissions will not be returned. Poems submitted outside our reading period will be returned unread. We will respond by August 31. Submit to: Editors COURT GREEN English Department Columbia College Chicago 600 South Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60605 Please note: poems sent through submissions services are discouraged and may be returned unread. We strongly encourage anyone interested in submitting to COURT GREEN to read a recent issue of the magazine before submitting. For information about ordering copies of Court Green, please see our contact page: http://english.colum.edu/courtgreen/contact.html From halvard at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:25:54 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" Message-ID: Spring Light The buildings, piled so casually Behind each other, are "suggestions Which, while only suggestions, We hope you will take seriously." Off into The blue. Getting there is easier, But then we hope you will come down. There is a great deal on the ground today, Not just mud, but things of some importance, Too. Like, silver paint. How do you feel About it? And, is this a silver age? Yeah. I suppose so. But I keep looking at the cigarette Burns on the edge of the sink, left over >From last winter. Your argument's Neatly beyond any paths I'm likely to take, Here, or when I eventually leave here. --John Ashbery fr. *Houseboat Days* [New York: Penguin Books, 1977] Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090316/9804b009/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 16 11:08:31 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BE797F.6080700@nut-n-but.net> Tripsing through the Bunnylight Robins are not a persuasive tea-stain, however bleak the heterosexuality of unification-- cigar smoke or no cigar smoke. Make mine a more costly perturbation in favor. He likes socialism less than theological tyranny doesn't he mean? Bob Grumman, fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." From barry.spacks at verizon.net Mon Mar 16 15:31:03 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: > > fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." > ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy it is to mock up some of this new-new-very-very-new stuff you kindly and persistently harangue us about. Case made. (smiley-face), Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 16 17:31:52 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: >> >> fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." >> > ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy it is > to mock up some of this new-new-very-very-new > stuff you kindly and persistently harangue us about. > > Case made. > > (smiley-face), > > Barry Sorry, Barry, but you've lost me. What "new-new-very-new-new stuff" are you talking about? I just threw together a long-standard jump-cut inconclusive poem (to give its kind an ad hoc name). Aside from that, what does the ease or speed of a poem's creation have to do with anything? Are you saying you have never gotten an idea and quickly worked it into a poem--longer and better than mine, I would hope? --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Mar 16 18:58:55 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who are Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem? Best, Judy 2009/3/16 Bob Grumman > Barry Spacks wrote: > >> >> On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: >> >>> >>> fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." >>> >>> ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy it is >> to mock up some of this new-new-very-very-new >> stuff you kindly and persistently harangue us about. >> >> Case made. >> >> (smiley-face), >> >> Barry >> > Sorry, Barry, but you've lost me. What "new-new-very-new-new stuff" are > you talking about? I just threw together a long-standard jump-cut > inconclusive poem (to give its kind an ad hoc name). Aside from that, what > does the ease or speed of a poem's creation have to do with anything? Are > you saying you have never gotten an idea and quickly worked it into a > poem--longer and better than mine, I would hope? > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090316/c54bf387/attachment.html From GrahamD at ripon.edu Mon Mar 16 19:14:18 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:50:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ashbery In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I like the Ashbery poem quite a lot. HOUSEBOAT DAYS remains one of my favorite JA books after all these years. David Graham Grahamd@Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:59 PM, "Judy Prince" wrote: > This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who > are Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem? > > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/3/16 Bob Grumman > Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: > > fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." > > ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090316/6e20d7ec/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 16 19:45:56 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BEF2C4.3040404@opus40.org> Yes. Judy Prince wrote: > This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who are > Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem? > > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/3/16 Bob Grumman > > > Barry Spacks wrote: > > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: > > > fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." > > ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy it is > to mock up some of this new-new-very-very-new > stuff you kindly and persistently harangue us about. > > Case made. > > (smiley-face), > > Barry > > Sorry, Barry, but you've lost me. What "new-new-very-new-new > stuff" are you talking about? I just threw together a > long-standard jump-cut inconclusive poem (to give its kind an ad > hoc name). Aside from that, what does the ease or speed of a > poem's creation have to do with anything? Are you saying you have > never gotten an idea and quickly worked it into a poem--longer and > better than mine, I would hope? > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Mon Mar 16 20:49:10 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830903161849i7b84c766nc197ed0ca3ecd869@mail.gmail.com> Nope. It almost turns in a sonnet-like way and rebuilds its beginnings, but I think it fails. Or, at any rate, I can't be bothered to go read it again, which with such a short piece is tantamount to death with me. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who are > Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem? > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/3/16 Bob Grumman > > Barry Spacks wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:00 AM, our Bob wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> fourteen seconds after reading "Spring Light." >>>> >>>> ah, I take it you see how easy and speedy it is >>> to mock up some of this new-new-very-very-new >>> stuff you kindly and persistently harangue us about. >>> >>> Case made. >>> >>> (smiley-face), >>> >>> Barry >>> >> Sorry, Barry, but you've lost me. What "new-new-very-new-new stuff" are >> you talking about? I just threw together a long-standard jump-cut >> inconclusive poem (to give its kind an ad hoc name). Aside from that, what >> does the ease or speed of a poem's creation have to do with anything? Are >> you saying you have never gotten an idea and quickly worked it into a >> poem--longer and better than mine, I would hope? >> >> --Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With: Aaron Begg Amy King Anna Vitale Andrew Zawacki Ariel Goldberg Brian Ang Brooklyn Copeland Dana Ward David Buuck Donato Mancini Erica Lewis Franklin Bruno Jen Hofer Joshua Ware Kristin Palm Kyle Schlesinger Megan Kaminski Michael Scharf Nicholas Karavatos Piotr Gwiazda Rodrigo Toscano Rupert Loydell Sandra Simonds Tim Kreiner and featuring Joshua Clover and Jasper Bernes as The Office for Experimental Communism ? bios available and pic coming soon at: ? http://withplusstand.blogspot.com ? _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090316/3d686753/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 06:35:46 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu><49BED358.4070504@nut- n-but.net> <7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who are > Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem? I liked one line (the one with "argument" in it) quite a bit; I thought the whole thing was okay but trivial. I have a rather daring question back. I'm sure those who liked it did not think much of my poem. My question is, "What makes the Ashbery poem better than mine?" I think it is, though only slightly. I even have ideas as to why. I'll probably fix mine. I think it just barely worth fixing. Here it is again, with the title corrected, and properly formatted, I hope: Tripesing through the Bunnylight Robins are not a persuasive tea-stain, however bleak the heterosexuality of unification-- cigar smoke or no cigar smoke. Make mine a more costly perturbation in favor. He likes socialism less than theological tyranny doesn't he mean? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 06:43:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tripesing Through the Bunnylight In-Reply-To: <49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu><49BED358.4070504@nut- n-but.net><7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> <49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49BF8CFC.4080906@nut-n-but.net> I don't seem able to formet these things, anymore. Another try: > > Tripesing Through the Bunnylight Robins are not a persuasive tea-stain, however bleak the heterosexuality of unification-- cigar smoke or no cigar smoke. Make mine a more costly perturbation in favor. He likes socialism less than theological tyranny doesn't he mean? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 11:30:49 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tripesing Through the Bunnylight, a Revision In-Reply-To: <49BF8CFC.4080906@nut-n-but.net> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu><49BED358.4070504@nut- n-but.net><7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com><49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> <49BF8CFC.4080906@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49BFD039.6050605@nut-n-but.net> In a November that is parading more and more lost but still in full song, we toy with reason. But memories of robins are not, for Poem, a persuasive tea-stain, cigar smoke or no cigar smoke, however bleak the heterosexuality of unification. He prefers a more costly perturbation in favor. She likes socialism less than theological tyranny, doesn't that mean? --Bob G. From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 17 11:20:34 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Two new Cavafy books Message-ID: <8CB75336F1D1E95-AF0-4AA@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Collected Poems C.P. Cavafy, trans. from the Greek by Daniel Mendelsohn, Knopf, $35 (624p) ISBN 978-0-375-40096-4 Already a celebrated critic, memoirist and classicist, Mendelsohn drew together his interests in ancient history, literature, gay life and culture, and beautiful language to produce the finest, most readable version of the modern Greek poet Cavafy (1863?1933) to come along in decades. Cavafy has long been highly regarded by American readers, especially for the straightforward, seemingly timeless, hard-to-pin-down tone of his poems?which alternately revel in and suffer from both ancient Greek history and homoerotic desire?but, as Mendelsohn observes in his deeply impassioned and informative introduction, many American readers overlook ?those poems that are deliberately set in the obscurer margins, both geographical and temporal, of the Greek past... in favor of the works with more obvious contemporary appeal.? With this new, completely annotated, translation, Mendelsohn says he aims to ?restore the balance,? to help readers reanimate Greek history with Cavafy, to see how relevant and pressing his whole oeuvre truly is. This larger volume (Knopf is also publishing Mendelsohn's version of Cavafy's Unfinished Poems, never before translated into English, as a separate volume, reviewed below) contains all the poems by Cavafy we have known in English, from famous works like ?Ithaka? (?you will understand, by then, these Ithacas; what they mean?) and ?The First Step? ( you must claim your right to be/ a citizen of the city of ideas?), all rendered with a lucid music. This is likely to be the definitive Cavafy for some time to come. (Mar.) The Unfinished Poems C.P. Cavafy, trans. from the Greek by Daniel Mendelsohn. Knopf, $30 (144p) ISBN 978-0-307-26546-3 In the last months of his life, Cavafy told a few friends that he had 25 more poems he was working on. This last work, abandoned at various stages of drafting, was mostly lost until it was discovered in the Cavafy Archive, carefully filed and dated by the author, in the 1960s. An authoritative Greek-language edition of Cavafy's unfinished poems?30 in all, written between 1918 and the poet's death?did not appear until the 1990s. Mendelsohn, by special arrangement with the Cavafy Archive, is the first person to be allowed to translate these poems into English, to be published alongside Mendelsohn's Collected Poems of Cavafy (reviewed above). Mendelsohn, in his introduction, says these poems ?represent the last and greatest phase of the poet's career? and that they ?fully partake of Cavafy's special vision, in which desire and history, time and poetry are alchemized into a unified and deeply meaningful whole.? Most of these pieces seem as ?finished? as anything in the Collected Poems, though perhaps in full command of a kind of erotic abandon that Cavafy only exposed in the latter part of his writing life: ?Ah the ancient Greeks were men of taste,/ to rep resent the loveliness of youth/ absolutely nude.? (Mar.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/f89bcc9a/attachment.html From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 11:25:51 2009 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Another poetry reading in Paris In-Reply-To: <200903161700.n2GH05mL019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <59231.7089.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lecture de po?sie ? la Biblioth?que Am?ricaine de Paris: Poetry Reading at the American Library in Paris Upstairs at Duroc, March 20th: Poetry Reading with Alexander Dickow, Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon and George Vance. Come join us! The reading will be bilingual, with poems in French and English. Details below. *** Upstairs at Duroc, March 20th: Lecture de po?sie avec Alexander Dickow, Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon et George Vance. Venez nombreux! La lecture sera bilingue, avec des po?mes en anglais et en fran?ais. D?tails ci-dessous. Upstairs at Duroc Reading Date: Friday, March 20 Time: 7:30 ? 9:00 p.m. Fee: Free Place: The American Library in Paris, 10 rue du G?n?ral Camou, 75007 Paris, France Metro: Ecole Militaire or Alma-Marceau Literary magazine Upstairs at Duroc Celebrates Printemps des Poetes with a reading reflecting some of the many facets of English-language poetry being written in Europe today. Rufo Quintavalle was born in London in 1978, studied English at Oxford and the University of Iowa, and now lives in Paris. His poems have appeared in Barrow Street, The Wolf, The London Magazine, Upstairs at Duroc, MiPOesias and elimae. A chapbook, Make nothing happen, has recently come out from Oystercatcher Press. Alistair Noon?s first chapbook At the Emptying of Dustbins was recently published by Oystercatcher Press, and his translation of Pushkin?s Bronze Horseman has just appeared online at Horizon Review. His essay Translocal Underground: Anglophone Poetry and Globalization appeared in issue 3 of Bordercrossing Berlin and suggests some new terminology for English-language poetry written outside of Anglophone countries. He lives in Berlin. Ohio-born poet George Vance was most recently involved in experiments with word/image fusion, tags & street art. His hybrid language & image video installation, ?Heights?, was exhibited in Brussels in 2006, & he recently designed a ?totem? scupture with a Kanak artist. Author of Bent Time, a chapbook, his poems have appeared in Paris in Pharos and Upstairs at Duroc. Vance has lived in Liberia, Austria, Germany, France and the French Overseas ?Country? of New Caledonia/Kanaky The American poet and translator Alexander Dickow was born in 1979. He completed a DEA in French literature in Nantes in 2003-2004, and continued his graduate studies at Rutgers University in New Jersey. He is now based in Chatillon near Paris, and pursuing his dissertation research on 20th-Century French poetry. In addition to poems and articles published in French and American journals, he is the author of Caramboles, a biligual collection of poems in French and English published by Argol Editions in 2008. *** Upstairs at Duroc f?te le Printemps des Po?tes le 20 mars 2009 ? 19h30 ? l?American Library In Paris 10 rue du G?n?ral Camou 75007 Paris FRANCE Upstairs at Duroc, publication parisienne sur l?art et la litt?rature anglophones, f?te le Priintemps des Po?tes et propose des lectures refl?tant les diverses facettes de la po?sie de langue anglaise ?crite en Europe aujourd?hui. Interventions de Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon, George Vance and Alexander Dickow. Pour voir les biographies des po?tes, consulter www.americanlibraryinparis.org, ou http://www.wice-paris.org/courses/creative/upstairs-duroc.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 17 11:44:06 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Another poetry reading in Paris In-Reply-To: <59231.7089.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <59231.7089.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BFD356.6000607@opus40.org> Bonne chance! Alexander Dickow wrote: > Lecture de po?sie ? la Biblioth?que Am?ricaine de Paris: Poetry Reading at the American Library in Paris > > Upstairs at Duroc, March 20th: Poetry Reading with Alexander Dickow, Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon and George Vance. Come join us! The reading will be bilingual, with poems in French and English. Details below. > > *** > > > Upstairs at Duroc, March 20th: Lecture de po?sie avec Alexander Dickow, Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon et George Vance. Venez nombreux! La lecture sera bilingue, avec des po?mes en anglais et en fran?ais. D?tails ci-dessous. > > > Upstairs at Duroc Reading > > Date: Friday, March 20 > Time: 7:30 ? 9:00 p.m. > Fee: Free > Place: The American Library in Paris, > 10 rue du G?n?ral Camou, > 75007 Paris, France > > Metro: Ecole Militaire or Alma-Marceau > > Literary magazine Upstairs at Duroc Celebrates Printemps des Poetes with a reading reflecting some of the many facets of English-language poetry being written in Europe today. > > Rufo Quintavalle was born in London in 1978, studied English at Oxford and the University of Iowa, and now lives in Paris. His poems have appeared in Barrow Street, The Wolf, The London Magazine, Upstairs at Duroc, MiPOesias and elimae. A chapbook, Make nothing happen, has recently come out from Oystercatcher Press. > > Alistair Noon?s first chapbook At the Emptying of Dustbins was recently published by Oystercatcher Press, and his translation of Pushkin?s Bronze Horseman has just appeared online at Horizon Review. His essay Translocal Underground: Anglophone Poetry and Globalization appeared in issue 3 of Bordercrossing Berlin and suggests some new terminology for English-language poetry written outside of Anglophone countries. He lives in Berlin. > > Ohio-born poet George Vance was most recently involved in experiments with word/image fusion, tags & street art. His hybrid language & image video installation, ?Heights?, was exhibited in Brussels in 2006, & he recently designed a ?totem? scupture with a Kanak artist. Author of Bent Time, a chapbook, his poems have appeared in Paris in Pharos and Upstairs at Duroc. Vance has lived in Liberia, Austria, Germany, France and the French Overseas ?Country? of New Caledonia/Kanaky > > The American poet and translator Alexander Dickow was born in 1979. He completed a DEA in French literature in Nantes in 2003-2004, and continued his graduate studies at Rutgers University in New Jersey. He is now based in Chatillon near Paris, and pursuing his dissertation research on 20th-Century French poetry. In addition to poems and articles published in French and American journals, he is the author of Caramboles, a biligual collection of poems in French and English published by Argol Editions in 2008. > > *** > > > Upstairs at Duroc f?te le Printemps des Po?tes > > le 20 mars 2009 > ? 19h30 > > ? l?American Library In Paris > 10 rue du G?n?ral Camou > 75007 Paris > FRANCE > > Upstairs at Duroc, publication parisienne sur l?art et la litt?rature anglophones, f?te le Priintemps des Po?tes et propose des lectures refl?tant les diverses facettes de la po?sie de langue anglaise ?crite en Europe aujourd?hui. > > Interventions de Rufo Quintavalle, Alistair Noon, George Vance and Alexander Dickow. Pour voir les biographies des po?tes, consulter www.americanlibraryinparis.org, ou http://www.wice-paris.org/courses/creative/upstairs-duroc.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 17 12:00:34 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee In-Reply-To: <49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> References: <200903161700.n2GH05mK019992@wiz.cath.vt.edu><49BED358.4070504@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0903161658p12978eb4pd43ca9d2e6502957@mail.gmail.com> <49BF8B12.7040704@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CB753905BC8185-AF0-75B@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Bob, your poem has a better title. One of virtues of the Ashbery poem is that it's shorter than some?later Ashbery. In some of?those long meandering meditations, esp. in books from the 80s and 90s, he seemed to be?working on non-pharmaceutical version of Ambien. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:35 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Thus I Refute Thee Judy Prince wrote:? > This is a question to anyone [including Bob and Barry, natch, who are > Special Anyones]: Did you like the Ashbery poem?? I liked one line (the one with "argument" in it) quite a bit; I thought the whole thing was okay but trivial. I have a rather daring question back. I'm sure those who liked it did not think much of my poem. My question is, "What makes the Ashbery poem better than mine?" I think it is, though only slightly. I even have ideas as to why. I'll probably fix mine. I think it just barely worth fixing. ? Here it is again, with the title corrected, and properly formatted, I hope:? ? ? Tripesing through the Bunnylight ? ? Robins are not a? ? persuasive tea-stain,? ? however bleak? ? the heterosexuality of? ? unification--? ? cigar smoke or no? ? cigar smoke.? ? Make mine a more? ? costly perturbation in favor.? ? He likes socialism? ? less than theological tyranny? ? doesn't he mean?? ? --Bob? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Location: Tierra Sana Restaurant 100-17 Queens Blvd & 67th Road Forest Hills, Queens New York City By subway, take the local R or V to 67th Avenue stop (and it's right there between 67th Road and 67th Avenue along Queens Boulevard). All you need to bring is your love for the written word. Best, Mike Geffner Founder, Writers Helping Writers _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/cf2fd966/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 17 13:16:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Palestinian poets Message-ID: <8CB7543AF83402D-AF0-C59@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Ran across this website looking up info on Taha Mohammed Ali... http://www.sakakini.org/literature/poets.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get it now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/3c6c28d9/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Mar 17 14:09:14 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dennis Schmitz Message-ID: At the Chicago AWP Conference I heard Dennis Schmitz read a poem I think was titled "Song of Myself." Does anyone happen to know what collection it is in? Or what journal? ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/0dd8fa1c/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 17 14:22:29 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Words into Worlds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BFF875.2020809@opus40.org> Diane Middlebrook's Words into Worlds: Understanding Modern Poetry takes its title from a quote from Dylan Thomas. I need to remember the exact quote, but can't find my copy of the book. Can anyone help? -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:23:11 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dennis Schmitz Message-ID: I think it was in Field. Wasn't that part of the Field reading? **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/2538d480/attachment.html From barry.spacks at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 15:31:18 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Robertian Disingenitude In-Reply-To: <200903171700.n2HH06mK012326@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200903171700.n2HH06mK012326@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <21C92D25-AEDE-461F-8A23-DCC18AC15665@verizon.net> On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Judy wrote: >> Did you like the Ashbery poem? Felt to me a knock-off of his whimsical way, Judy, Ashbery trying to write, briefly, like Ashbery -- I found Bob's Imitation of the Master a much more engaging piece. But that Bob! How cute can you get? Telling us he wrote the thing in 7 seconds flat (or so) then playing the naif as to the satirical effect of such a claim. Okay, to spell it out. My "new-new- very-new," dear Bob, refers to your unending commercial break in support of the new-new-very-new, struck as I was at how poet-Bob himself managed to make mock of his own campaign by spritzing off, in an anyone-can-do-this way, an instance of the manner of our most reverenced prestidigitator of innovation. gleefully astounded by other people's taste, (or, to be New-new, make that "tghste") (smiley-face), Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 18:21:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Robertian Disingenitude In-Reply-To: <21C92D25-AEDE-461F-8A23-DCC18AC15665@verizon.net> References: <200903171700.n2HH06mK012326@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <21C92D25-AEDE-461F-8A23-DCC18AC15665@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49C03079.7020802@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Judy wrote: > >>> Did you like the Ashbery poem? > > Felt to me a knock-off of his whimsical way, Judy, > Ashbery trying to write, briefly, like Ashbery -- I > found Bob's Imitation of the Master a much > more engaging piece. > > But that Bob! How cute can you get? Telling us > he wrote the thing in 7 seconds flat (or so) > then playing the naif as to the satirical effect > of such a claim. Okay, to spell it out. My "new-new- > very-new," dear Bob, refers to your unending > commercial break in support of the new-new-very-new, I got that, Barry. You still don't seem to understand my commercial, by the way. It's in support of the full range of contemporary American poetry instead of just what the slicks publish, the visible critics discuss, the academy teaches, and the establishment rewards with grants and prizes. Not just the new-new-very-new. > > struck as I was at how poet-Bob himself managed to make mock of > his own campaign by spritzing off, in an anyone-can-do-this way, > an instance of the manner of our most reverenced > prestidigitator of innovation. Ah, here we have it, Barry. My main problem with Ashbery is that he is NOT doing, nor has he ever done, anything particularly innovative. In my opinion. Haven't you been attending? Wilshberia is what I call the fraction of the full range of contemporary American poetry that academics capable of appreciating think makes them wonderfully eclectic in their tastes. > > > gleefully astounded by other people's taste, > > (or, to be New-new, make that "tghste") > > (smiley-face), > > Barry From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Mar 17 18:11:43 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wilbur to Ashbery Message-ID: Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like calling Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the world's land mass. Technically true, but..... David Graham Grahamd@Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:06:39 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0903171706g4c5b487gb93ab73f03f225d5@mail.gmail.com> Off-list here, David. I don't want to start a fight with Bob, but you're right. To add to your thought: calling "Wilshberia" a fraction of the poetic landscape is like making up some gigantic, dismissive neologism for Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa, that fails to a) demonstrate any understanding of those landmasses; and b) boils all the complexities of those continents down to a single word Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Graham, David wrote: > Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like calling > Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the world's land mass. > Technically true, but..... > > > > David Graham > Grahamd@Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/af969453/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:08:05 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903171706g4c5b487gb93ab73f03f225d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903171706g4c5b487gb93ab73f03f225d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903171708n6209628eu22be5e96119e82b5@mail.gmail.com> Well, I didn't want to start a fight with Bob, and I probably haven't. He's used to my needless sniping. In fairness, Bob's defined "Wilshberia" again and again. So, perhaps I'm being crabby because I'm in the middle of comps. Back to studying. Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Off-list here, David. I don't want to start a fight with Bob, but you're > right. > > To add to your thought: calling "Wilshberia" a fraction of the poetic > landscape is like making up some gigantic, dismissive neologism for Europe, > the Americas, Asia, and Africa, that fails to > > a) demonstrate any understanding of those landmasses; and > b) boils all the complexities of those continents down to a single word > > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Graham, David wrote: > >> Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like calling >> Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the world's land mass. >> Technically true, but..... >> >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd@Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/f9866e07/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 20:26:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> Graham, David wrote: > Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like > calling Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the > world's land mass. Technically true, but..... No, David, it is like calling Cuba a fraction of the poetic landscape. Consider how much poetry is really out there, for a moment. Assuming you are speaking of quantity. You are forgetting that most people who write poetry are not Wilshberians. Not even most people who publish it. You have countless--week-end poets--you might call them. Followers of James Whitcomb Riley and Robert W. Service, and the guy who wrote "The Prophet." You have the contra-genteel school, followers of Bukowski. The people who write for sentimental greeting cards. A great number of composers of haiku. However, I was thinking in terms of taxonomy where each school would be an equal fraction. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 17 20:36:04 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903171706g4c5b487gb93ab73f03f225d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903171706g4c5b487gb93ab73f03f225d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C05004.4090205@nut-n-but.net> Jeff Newberry wrote: > Off-list here, David. I don't want to start a fight with Bob, but > you're right. Not off-list, I'm afraid, Jeff, but I'm not up for a real fight, either. I'll just say that I do use and always have used "Wilshberia" for polemical purposes--not to dismiss IT but to dismiss those who think it the only kingdom in poetry. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Mar 17 23:29:20 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob, it seems pretty clear that, whenever challenged, you keep shifting your terms. Here I thought that "Wilshberia" was your sneering shorthand for what most people call "mainstream" poetry, i.e. that which uses no techniques not in common usage 50 years ago, etc.. Isn't that your usual boilerplate? And your point about Ashbery, when Barry brought him up as an example of poetic novelty, is that he's solidly mainstream, in terms of technique. He's doing nothing new, and so is really of the "same" school as Wilbur, and so forth. Jeff and others have over the years pointed out that Wilbur and Ashbery are "the same" only in the way zebras, bison, and horses are: from an enormous distance. Look! Four-legged beasts! Bigger than mice! Grazers! No interesting differences there. . . . Now you inform us that--surprise!--poetic novelty is not at all what your pet term means. For among other things, it turns out that poets like Bukowski are *not* part of Wilshberia. Yet since technical innovation was not at all part of Bukowski's project, then it seems "Wilshberia" cannot refer merely to technical innovation. What does it refer to, then? Well, maybe you're thinking of popularity, book sales and the like. Uh. . . no, that wouldn't work, either, would it? Bukowski can outdo Ashbery in royalties any day. How about acceptance in mainstream anthologies and such? Bukowski certainly isn't to be found in books like Garrison Keillor's *Good Poems*, obviously. Except that he is. In fact, "contra-genteel" poets are everywhere these days, including spoken word and slam poets, aging Beats, and the like, all selling books like crazy and none of them using techniques that weren't in common usage 5 and 6 decades ago, and so forth. Maybe your term refers to *academic* esteem and success, then? Ooops. Problems there, too, what with the Academy busily embracing all sorts of contra-genteel elements (not to mention experimentalists- with-tenure). Hmmmm. You see the problem? If "Wilshberia" doesn't refer to poetic techniques, and it doesn't refer to mainstream visibility, and it doesn't index popularity, and it can't coincide with academic esteem, what *does* it mean? ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Graham, David wrote: >> Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like >> calling Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the >> world's land mass. Technically true, but..... > No, David, it is like calling Cuba a fraction of the poetic > landscape. Consider how much poetry is really out there, for a > moment. Assuming you are speaking of quantity. You are forgetting > that most people who write poetry are not Wilshberians. Not even > most people who publish it. You have countless--week-end poets-- > you might call them. Followers of James Whitcomb Riley and Robert > W. Service, and the guy who wrote "The Prophet." You have the > contra-genteel school, followers of Bukowski. The people who write > for sentimental greeting cards. A great number of composers of haiku. > However, I was thinking in terms of taxonomy where each school > would be an equal fraction. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090317/40a7943d/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 18 07:15:10 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> David Graham wrote: > Bob, it seems pretty clear that, whenever challenged, you keep > shifting your terms. Here I thought that "Wilshberia" was your > sneering shorthand for what most people call "mainstream" poetry, i.e. > that which uses no techniques not in common usage 50 years ago, etc. Right and wrong. Mainstream poetry equals Wilshberia. Mainstream poetry does not equal all poetry using nothing but standard techniques, what I call knownstream poetry does. > Isn't that your usual boilerplate? And your point about Ashbery, when > Barry brought him up as an example of poetic novelty, is that he's > solidly mainstream, in terms of technique. He's doing nothing new, > and so is really of the "same" school as Wilbur, and so forth. > No. Wilshberia is a kingdom containing at least three schools: formal verse, Iowa plaintext lyrical poetry, and whatever school Ashbery is the leader of. This is what I've always said. If I've misled you or anyone else, it would have been in my attempt to relate it to "mainstream poetry." It actually has nothing particular to do with mainstream poetry. It's the kingdom that academics think constitutes the whole of the world of contemporary poetry. > Jeff and others have over the years pointed out that Wilbur and > Ashbery are "the same" only in the way zebras, bison, and horses are: > from an enormous distance. Look! Four-legged beasts! Bigger than > mice! Grazers! No interesting differences there. . . . Hmmm, I'll study the matter. As you may remember, I used often to ask for help in making up a list of schools of contemporary American Poetry. Few or none at New-Poetry responded to my call. That's probably why I've never advanced from the notion that there are only two such schools, visual poetry and mainstream poetry. > > Now you inform us that--surprise!--poetic novelty is not at all what > your pet term means. For among other things, it turns out that poets > like Bukowski are *not* part of Wilshberia. Yet since technical > innovation was not at all part of Bukowski's project, then it seems > "Wilshberia" cannot refer merely to technical innovation. > What does it refer to, then? Just told you, again. I should probably tell you that my term, "Otherstream Poetry," for the opposite not of mainstream, but knownstream, poetry, has nothing to do with innovation although several of the schools of poetry that are part of it use techniques not in wide use fifty years ago. "Burstnorm Poetry" is what I've generally called those schools though I've pretty much retired the term. (Because Barry doesn't like it.) > > Well, maybe you're thinking of popularity, book sales and the like. > Uh. . . no, that wouldn't work, either, would it? Bukowski can > outdo Ashbery in royalties any day. > > How about acceptance in mainstream anthologies and such? Bukowski > certainly isn't to be found in books like Garrison Keillor's *Good > Poems*, obviously. Except that he is. In fact, "contra-genteel" > poets are everywhere these days, including spoken word and slam poets, > aging Beats, and the like, all selling books like crazy and none of > them using techniques that weren't in common usage 5 and 6 decades > ago, and so forth. > > Maybe your term refers to *academic* esteem and success, then? Ooops. > Problems there, too, what with the Academy busily embracing all sorts > of contra-genteel elements (not to mention > experimentalists-with-tenure). > Hmmmm. > > You see the problem? If "Wilshberia" doesn't refer to poetic > techniques, and it doesn't refer to mainstream visibility, and it > doesn't index popularity, and it can't coincide with academic esteem, > what *does* it mean? Your impression of mainstream success is not mine. I try always to refer to the otherstream as near-invisible, not invisible. Sure, among the hundreds of colleges in America, a few are giving token recognition of a few poets not from Wilshberia. I don't consider slam poets yet mainstream--they seem to me to be considered sub-Mainstream, like haiku poets. Ditto contragenteel poets. Can you readily name one such poet besides Bukowski? I would say that upon reflection I should call Wilshberia the kingdom of certified poetry. I may be wrong, but the poetry in Wilshberia still seems to me about the only poetry with any kind of bigCity critical coverage, representation in magazines like /the Atlantic/ and /the New Yorker/ or anthologies that have any kind of circulation, publication by commercial and academic presses (and even small press), coverage in college literature courses, and support from grant&award-bestowers. Language poetry, though, seems to be becoming certified, too. Now that Poetry has published a few visual poems, maybe visual poetry will be next to be certified. I've been using the term, "Wilshberia," for around twenty years--after reading an introduction to one of the "Best" American poetry anthologies in which the book's editor listed twenty or thirty magazines he had gone through to find his "best" poems, and proved his "openness" by telling us he liked both Wilbur and Ashbery. Whee. Others have said the same thing. I suppose academics of the current generation might say they like everything from Wilbur to Silliman. But you wouldn't, I don't think. Come to think of it, I don't think you like ANY poetry that I would say is doing something not widely done fifty years ago. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/d2dc1c04/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 08:34:28 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Help the Huffington Post share poetry ... Message-ID: <388687.28545.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The Huffington Post is looking for "Hard Times" / uplifting poetry: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verena-von-pfetten/huffpost-readers-hit-it-h_b_175948.html Very few decent offerings so far -- has poetry fallen so low?? Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/bdaa5047/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 18 09:30:54 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49C1059E.3030305@opus40.org> I confess that I've lost the distinction between Wilshberian and knownstream poetry. i do remember a while back, when Bob was talking about a complete taxonomy of poetry, he made all kinds of distinctions between,and made up all sorts of names for, the kinds of poetry he was interested in, and lumped all Wilshberian/knownstream/Iowa Plaintext poetry together as not worth taxonomizing. When I said that this was much like deciding to do a complete taxonomy of automobiles, and then saying "Here are all the different kinds of Volkswagen beetles, and oh,yeah, there are bunch of other cars all pretty much the same," his response was essentially "What's wrong with that?" Probably neither Wilshberia nor Grummania represent the largest fraction of the poetic landscape. But Wilshberia, which I believe would have to include Bukowskia and the Isle of Corso, would certainly cover more than Cuba. A closer approximation would probably be the Americas for Wilshberia, Europe/Asia/Africa for inspirational/greetingcard/religious/cowboy/lovers' poetry, and Trinidad and Tobago for the Grummanians. If you include poetry connected to music (including rap), then all of the above become Trinidad and Tobago, with Grummania possibly an intersection -- the northwest corner of an intersection -- in Sangre Grande. David Graham wrote: > Bob, it seems pretty clear that, whenever challenged, you keep > shifting your terms. Here I thought that "Wilshberia" was your > sneering shorthand for what most people call "mainstream" poetry, i.e. > that which uses no techniques not in common usage 50 years ago, etc.. > Isn't that your usual boilerplate? And your point about Ashbery, > when Barry brought him up as an example of poetic novelty, is that > he's solidly mainstream, in terms of technique. He's doing nothing > new, and so is really of the "same" school as Wilbur, and so forth. > > Jeff and others have over the years pointed out that Wilbur and > Ashbery are "the same" only in the way zebras, bison, and horses are: > from an enormous distance. Look! Four-legged beasts! Bigger than > mice! Grazers! No interesting differences there. . . . > > Now you inform us that--surprise!--poetic novelty is not at all what > your pet term means. For among other things, it turns out that poets > like Bukowski are *not* part of Wilshberia. Yet since technical > innovation was not at all part of Bukowski's project, then it seems > "Wilshberia" cannot refer merely to technical innovation. > > What does it refer to, then? > > Well, maybe you're thinking of popularity, book sales and the like. > Uh. . . no, that wouldn't work, either, would it? Bukowski can > outdo Ashbery in royalties any day. > > How about acceptance in mainstream anthologies and such? Bukowski > certainly isn't to be found in books like Garrison Keillor's *Good > Poems*, obviously. Except that he is. In fact, "contra-genteel" > poets are everywhere these days, including spoken word and slam poets, > aging Beats, and the like, all selling books like crazy and none of > them using techniques that weren't in common usage 5 and 6 decades > ago, and so forth. > > Maybe your term refers to *academic* esteem and success, then? Ooops. > Problems there, too, what with the Academy busily embracing all sorts > of contra-genteel elements (not to mention > experimentalists-with-tenure). > > Hmmmm. > > You see the problem? If "Wilshberia" doesn't refer to poetic > techniques, and it doesn't refer to mainstream visibility, and it > doesn't index popularity, and it can't coincide with academic esteem, > what *does* it mean? > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Graham, David wrote: >>> Calling "Wilshberia" a "fraction" of the poetic landscape is like >>> calling Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa a fraction of the >>> world's land mass. Technically true, but..... >> No, David, it is like calling Cuba a fraction of the poetic >> landscape. Consider how much poetry is really out there, for a >> moment. Assuming you are speaking of quantity. You are forgetting >> that most people who write poetry are not Wilshberians. Not even >> most people who publish it. You have countless--week-end poets--you >> might call them. Followers of James Whitcomb Riley and Robert W. >> Service, and the guy who wrote "The Prophet." You have the >> contra-genteel school, followers of Bukowski. The people who write >> for sentimental greeting cards. A great number of composers of haiku. >> However, I was thinking in terms of taxonomy where each school would >> be an equal fraction. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 18 11:11:25 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C1059E.3030305@opus40.org> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C1059E.3030305@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49C11D2D.5060209@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > I confess that I've lost the distinction between Wilshberian and > knownstream poetry. i do remember a while back, when Bob was talking > about a complete taxonomy of poetry, he made all kinds of distinctions > between,and made up all sorts of names for, the kinds of poetry he was > interested in, and lumped all Wilshberian/knownstream/Iowa Plaintext > poetry together as not worth taxonomizing. As I recall this, Mole, I was of course taxonomizing everything. I had three MAJOR classes of poetry in my system: one for standard formal poetry, one for standard free verse, and one for burstnorm poetry. Ironically, Ashbery's poetry in my system would be in the latter. I classified on the basis what the poetry is, not on how widely-used. It would be like dividing small economy cars like the volkswagen from Detroit cars before volkswagens became popular, or the certified sane from the institutionalizably insane: two kinds, even though one greatly outnumbers the other. I did not think standard formal verse and free verse was varied enough in technique to further break down at that time. Burstnorm poetry, however, seemed and still seems much more varied: sound poetry, language poetry, visual poetry are all extremely different from one another and from conventional poetry. I was also pretty much starting from scratch so may have over-taxonomized the never-before-taxonomized. Wilshberia is not part of my taxonomy. Never was. Just a handy ad hoc term for, I now think, certified contemporary American poetry. McKuen and Bukowski aren't in it, though Bukowski may be accepted eventually. My latest taxonomy starts with just two phyla: that poetry which is wholly textual and "pluraesthetic poetry," which is poetry making aesthetically significant use of two or more expressive modalities--like mathematics and verbality. I haven't a good name for the first yet. It has been "solitextual poetry," for solely textual poetry. --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:14:14 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Major peril of inventing one's own language, Bob-- having to translate oneself over and over and over. Hal On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > David Graham wrote: > > Bob, it seems pretty clear that, whenever challenged, you keep shifting > your terms. Here I thought that "Wilshberia" was your sneering shorthand > for what most people call "mainstream" poetry, i.e. that which uses no > techniques not in common usage 50 years ago, etc. > > Right and wrong. Mainstream poetry equals Wilshberia. Mainstream poetry > does not equal all poetry using nothing but standard techniques, what I call > knownstream poetry does. > > > Isn't that your usual boilerplate? And your point about Ashbery, when > Barry brought him up as an example of poetic novelty, is that he's solidly > mainstream, in terms of technique. He's doing nothing new, and so is really > of the "same" school as Wilbur, and so forth. > > No. Wilshberia is a kingdom containing at least three schools: formal > verse, Iowa plaintext lyrical poetry, and whatever school Ashbery is the > leader of. This is what I've always said. If I've misled you or anyone > else, it would have been in my attempt to relate it to "mainstream poetry." > It actually has nothing particular to do with mainstream poetry. It's the > kingdom that academics think constitutes the whole of the world of > contemporary poetry. > > Jeff and others have over the years pointed out that Wilbur and Ashbery > are "the same" only in the way zebras, bison, and horses are: from an > enormous distance. Look! Four-legged beasts! Bigger than mice! Grazers! > No interesting differences there. . . . > > Hmmm, I'll study the matter. As you may remember, I used often to ask for > help in making up a list of schools of contemporary American Poetry. Few or > none at New-Poetry responded to my call. That's probably why I've never > advanced from the notion that there are only two such schools, visual poetry > and mainstream poetry. > > > Now you inform us that--surprise!--poetic novelty is not at all what your > pet term means. For among other things, it turns out that poets like > Bukowski are *not* part of Wilshberia. Yet since technical innovation was > not at all part of Bukowski's project, then it seems "Wilshberia" cannot > refer merely to technical innovation. > > What does it refer to, then? > > Just told you, again. I should probably tell you that my term, > "Otherstream Poetry," for the opposite not of mainstream, but knownstream, > poetry, has nothing to do with innovation although several of the schools of > poetry that are part of it use techniques not in wide use fifty years ago. > "Burstnorm Poetry" is what I've generally called those schools though I've > pretty much retired the term. > (Because Barry doesn't like it.) > > > Well, maybe you're thinking of popularity, book sales and the like. Uh. > . . no, that wouldn't work, either, would it? Bukowski can outdo Ashbery > in royalties any day. > > How about acceptance in mainstream anthologies and such? Bukowski > certainly isn't to be found in books like Garrison Keillor's *Good Poems*, > obviously. Except that he is. In fact, "contra-genteel" poets are > everywhere these days, including spoken word and slam poets, aging Beats, > and the like, all selling books like crazy and none of them using techniques > that weren't in common usage 5 and 6 decades ago, and so forth. > > Maybe your term refers to *academic* esteem and success, then? Ooops. > Problems there, too, what with the Academy busily embracing all sorts of > contra-genteel elements (not to mention experimentalists-with-tenure). > > > Hmmmm. > > > > You see the problem? If "Wilshberia" doesn't refer to poetic techniques, > and it doesn't refer to mainstream visibility, and it doesn't index > popularity, and it can't coincide with academic esteem, what *does* it > mean? > > Your impression of mainstream success is not mine. I try always to refer > to the otherstream as near-invisible, not invisible. Sure, among the > hundreds of colleges in America, a few are giving token recognition of a few > poets not from Wilshberia. > > I don't consider slam poets yet mainstream--they seem to me to be > considered sub-Mainstream, like haiku poets. Ditto contragenteel poets. > Can you readily name one such poet besides Bukowski? > > I would say that upon reflection I should call Wilshberia the kingdom of > certified poetry. I may be wrong, but the poetry in Wilshberia still seems > to me about the only poetry with any kind of bigCity critical coverage, > representation in magazines like *the Atlantic* and *the New Yorker* or > anthologies that have any kind of circulation, publication by commercial and > academic presses (and even small press), coverage in college literature > courses, and support from grant&award-bestowers. > > Language poetry, though, seems to be becoming certified, too. Now that > Poetry has published a few visual poems, maybe visual poetry will be next to > be certified. > I've been using the term, "Wilshberia," for around twenty years--after > reading an introduction to one of the "Best" American poetry anthologies in > which the book's editor listed twenty or thirty magazines he had gone > through to find his "best" poems, and proved his "openness" by telling us he > liked both Wilbur and Ashbery. Whee. Others have said the same thing. I > suppose academics of the current generation might say they like everything > from Wilbur to Silliman. But you wouldn't, I don't think. Come to think of > it, I don't think you like ANY poetry that I would say is doing something > not widely done fifty years ago. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, there's the risk of writing things like the following: a) "Mainstream poetry equals Wilshberia." followed, a little later in the same post, by b) "It actually has nothing particular to do with mainstream poetry." ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/2dd189da/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 18 10:43:58 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C11D2D.5060209@nut-n-but.net> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C1059E.3030305@opus40.org> <49C11D2D.5060209@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49C116BE.20603@opus40.org> There is no latter in a list of three. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> I confess that I've lost the distinction between Wilshberian and >> knownstream poetry. i do remember a while back, when Bob was talking >> about a complete taxonomy of poetry, he made all kinds of >> distinctions between,and made up all sorts of names for, the kinds of >> poetry he was interested in, and lumped all >> Wilshberian/knownstream/Iowa Plaintext poetry together as not worth >> taxonomizing. > As I recall this, Mole, I was of course taxonomizing everything. I > had three MAJOR classes of poetry in my system: one for standard > formal poetry, one for standard free verse, and one for burstnorm > poetry. Ironically, Ashbery's poetry in my system would be in the > latter. I classified on the basis what the poetry is, not on how > widely-used. It would be like dividing small economy cars like the > volkswagen from Detroit cars before volkswagens became popular, or the > certified sane from the institutionalizably insane: two kinds, even > though one greatly outnumbers the other. > > I did not think standard formal verse and free verse was varied enough > in technique to further break down at that time. Burstnorm poetry, > however, seemed and still seems much more varied: sound poetry, > language poetry, visual poetry are all extremely different from one > another and from conventional poetry. I was also pretty much starting > from scratch so may have over-taxonomized the never-before-taxonomized. > > Wilshberia is not part of my taxonomy. Never was. Just a handy ad > hoc term for, I now think, certified contemporary American poetry. > McKuen and Bukowski aren't in it, though Bukowski may be accepted > eventually. > My latest taxonomy starts with just two phyla: that poetry which is > wholly textual and "pluraesthetic poetry," which is poetry making > aesthetically significant use of two or more expressive > modalities--like mathematics and verbality. I haven't a good name for > the first yet. It has been "solitextual poetry," for solely textual > poetry. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Wed Mar 18 11:49:40 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830903180949w31ff6fbfx6808a8d13e37529e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Ditto contragenteel poets. Can you readily name one such poet besides > Bukowski? > Ginsberg, certainly, and a hell of a lot of the Beats. Bukowski is himself sometines considered a Beat poet. Then there's Andrew Hudgins, but perhaps his occasional use of meter and rhyme disqualify him from being contra-genteel. How about this one, from a very well known poet: Command Decision The geneal glances over dispatches. Meadow clover Transmuted to gold brick On his croissant sits thick. Decaffeinated fumes Coruscate. Re resumes Stroking his kitten's cunt. What tidings from the front? Rumors are running rife: Appreciable loss of life. Though war's still undeclared The capital has been spared. Imperfect circumsions Have crippled four divisions And several guided missiles Have lost their warning whistles. He sighs. Having read enough, Regales himelf with snuff. A sensible man refuses To care who wins, who loses Or who weeps when victims suffer. Wine is the one true buffer. He pours. In the graveled yard The rotting moon stands guard. Does it's being satire mean it's not contra-genteel? Just what is it? A taxonomy in biology is useful because it helps us to make predictions about the things taxonomized, about how they work and how they are related to one another ? and when those predictions prove wrong, either the taxonomy needs revision or some hitherto unconsidered factor external to the taxonomy must be found to account for the variation. What poetic taxonomy would have predicted that X J Kennedy, well known for his "light" (yes, those are scare quotes ? I hate the term) and children's verse, would produce "Command Decision"? How can the early Charles Bernstein just added to Anny's fieralingue, which begins So really not visit a remember to strange A it's always finally seems now which ago Long that by amazed guess I thing obvious of kind Feel can weigh a has distance the off That there it's then & you While now which whatever point be the sme kind of thing as be the same kind of thing as this, from a 1999 issue of Poetry, which begins * * What do you mean by *rashes of ash?* Is *industry* systematic work, assiduous activity, or ownership of factories? Is *ripple* agitate lightly? Are we *tossed in tune* when we write poems? And what or who *emboss with gloss insignias of air?* * * Are they both L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry? No one but Silliman still writes stuff like the first, and that ain't never gonna be mainstream. Private taxonomies or taxonomies shared among a coterie can be amusing or comforting or a shield against new experience or just maybe point to something new to the person or group ? a friend of mine and I used to divide all of experience into "mildly amusing" or "pain in the ass" but we got over that. Technical taxonomies can help in reading a poem ? if a body can't recognize meter, then blank verse will look a lot like and even sound a lot like a lot of Ashbery. But what does a compehensive public taxonomy of poetry DO? How does it help us think about or experience poems? Can it help a poet decide how or what to write? Can it help a critic evaluate a poem? What can it besides provoke unresolvable argument or, worse, resentment that MY kind of poetry is unfairly dismissed? Bob, I love many of the things you make (at least of the ones I've seen), but just what, beyond the feature your work shares with my sonnets and roundels of being largely unknown, does "Burstnorm" or "Otherstream" tell me about them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/6ae48a79/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 18 12:04:30 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <6768ac830903180949w31ff6fbfx6808a8d13e37529e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903180949w31ff6fbfx6808a8d13e37529e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C1299E.801@opus40.org> What makes contragentility? Larkin certainly used "fuck" to good purpose -- in poetry if not in life. Michael Snider wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Ditto contragenteel poets. Can you readily name one such poet > besides Bukowski? > > > > Ginsberg, certainly, and a hell of a lot of the Beats. Bukowski is > himself sometines considered a Beat poet. Then there's Andrew Hudgins, > but perhaps his occasional use of meter and rhyme disqualify him from > being contra-genteel. > > How about this one, from a very well known poet: > > Command Decision > > > The geneal glances over > dispatches. Meadow clover > Transmuted to gold brick > On his croissant sits thick. > Decaffeinated fumes > Coruscate. Re resumes > Stroking his kitten's cunt. > What tidings from the front? > > Rumors are running rife: > Appreciable loss of life. > Though war's still undeclared > The capital has been spared. > Imperfect circumsions > Have crippled four divisions > And several guided missiles > Have lost their warning whistles. > > He sighs. Having read enough, > Regales himelf with snuff. > A sensible man refuses > To care who wins, who loses > Or who weeps when victims suffer. > Wine is the one true buffer. > He pours. In the graveled yard > The rotting moon stands guard. > > > Does it's being satire mean it's not contra-genteel? Just what is it? > > A taxonomy in biology is useful because it helps us to make > predictions about the things taxonomized, about how they work and how > they are related to one another ? and when those predictions prove > wrong, either the taxonomy needs revision or some hitherto > unconsidered factor external to the taxonomy must be found to account > for the variation. What poetic taxonomy would have predicted that X J > Kennedy, well known for his "light" (yes, those are scare quotes ? I > hate the term) and children's verse, would produce "Command Decision"? > How can the early Charles Bernstein just added to Anny's fieralingue, > which begins > > > So really not visit a remember to strange > > A it's always finally seems now which ago > > Long that by amazed guess I thing obvious of kind > > Feel can weigh a has distance the off > > That there it's then & you > > While now which whatever point be the sme kind of thing as > > be the same kind of thing as this, from a 1999 issue of Poetry, which > begins > * > * > > What do you mean by /rashes of ash?/ Is /industry/ > systematic work, assiduous activity, or ownership > of factories? Is /ripple/ agitate lightly? Are > we /tossed in tune/ when we write poems? And > what or who /emboss with gloss insignias of air?/ > / > / > Are they both L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry? No one but Silliman still writes > stuff like the first, and that ain't never gonna be mainstream. > > Private taxonomies or taxonomies shared among a coterie can be > amusing or comforting or a shield against new experience or just maybe > point to something new to the person or group ? a friend of mine and I > used to divide all of experience into "mildly amusing" or "pain in the > ass" but we got over that. > > Technical taxonomies can help in reading a poem ? if a body can't > recognize meter, then blank verse will look a lot like and even sound > a lot like a lot of Ashbery. But what does a compehensive public > taxonomy of poetry DO? How does it help us think about or experience > poems? Can it help a poet decide how or what to write? Can it help a > critic evaluate a poem? What can it besides provoke unresolvable > argument or, worse, resentment that MY kind of poetry is unfairly > dismissed? > > Bob, I love many of the things you make (at least of the ones I've > seen), but just what, beyond the feature your work shares with my > sonnets and roundels of being largely unknown, does "Burstnorm" or > "Otherstream" tell me about them? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:05:25 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: <49C116BE.20603@opus40.org> References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C1059E.3030305@opus40.org> <49C11D2D.5060209@nut-n-but.net> <49C116BE.20603@opus40.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > There is no latter in a list of three. Don't be a slave to numbers, Tad. When you're down to your last two choices, take the third. Hal -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When you're down to your > last two choices, take the third. > > Hal > > -- > ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? > --Andrew Carnegie > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Wed Mar 18 12:24:22 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wilbur to Ashbery In-Reply-To: References: <49C04DD3.4090802@nut-n-but.net> <49C0E5CE.4070505@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903180949w31ff6fbfx6808a8d13e37529e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1299E.801@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6768ac830903181024o5be1cfa3y43e4c326e7f21b85@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/18 Halvard Johnson > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> What makes contragentility? > > > Circumcision. > Only "imperfect" circumcision. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then there's > Andrew Hudgins, but perhaps his occasional use of meter and rhyme > disqualify him from being contra-genteel. > > How about this one, from a very well known poet: > > Command Decision > > > The geneal glances over > dispatches. Meadow clover > Transmuted to gold brick > On his croissant sits thick. > Decaffeinated fumes > Coruscate. Re resumes > Stroking his kitten's cunt. > What tidings from the front? > > Rumors are running rife: > Appreciable loss of life. > Though war's still undeclared > The capital has been spared. > Imperfect circumsions > Have crippled four divisions > And several guided missiles > Have lost their warning whistles. > > He sighs. Having read enough, > Regales himelf with snuff. > A sensible man refuses > To care who wins, who loses > Or who weeps when victims suffer. > Wine is the one true buffer. > He pours. In the graveled yard > The rotting moon stands guard. > > > Does it's being satire mean it's not contra-genteel? Just what is it? > Too tired to try to work up a definition of contragenteel poetry. That isn't. Mostly it's stuff like "Howl." > A taxonomy in biology is useful because it helps us to make > predictions about the things taxonomized, about how they work and how > they are related to one another ? and when those predictions prove > wrong, either the taxonomy needs revision or some hitherto > unconsidered factor external to the taxonomy must be found to account > for the variation. What poetic taxonomy would have predicted that X J > Kennedy, well known for his "light" (yes, those are scare quotes ? I > hate the term) and children's verse, would produce "Command Decision"? > How can the early Charles Bernstein just added to Anny's fieralingue, > which begins > > > So really not visit a remember to strange > > A it's always finally seems now which ago > > Long that by amazed guess I thing obvious of kind > > Feel can weigh a has distance the off > > That there it's then & you > > While now which whatever point be the sme kind of thing as > > be the same kind of thing as this, from a 1999 issue of Poetry, which > begins > * > * > > What do you mean by /rashes of ash?/ Is /industry/ > systematic work, assiduous activity, or ownership > of factories? Is /ripple/ agitate lightly? Are > we /tossed in tune/ when we write poems? And > what or who /emboss with gloss insignias of air?/ > / > / > Are they both L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry? No one but Silliman still writes > stuff like the first, and that ain't never gonna be mainstream. > > Private taxonomies or taxonomies shared among a coterie can be > amusing or comforting or a shield against new experience or just maybe > point to something new to the person or group ? a friend of mine and I > used to divide all of experience into "mildly amusing" or "pain in the > ass" but we got over that. > > Technical taxonomies can help in reading a poem ? if a body can't > recognize meter, then blank verse will look a lot like and even sound > a lot like a lot of Ashbery. But what does a compehensive public > taxonomy of poetry DO? How does it help us think about or experience > poems? Can it help a poet decide how or what to write? Can it help a > critic evaluate a poem? What can it besides provoke unresolvable > argument or, worse, resentment that MY kind of poetry is unfairly > dismissed? > > Bob, I love many of the things you make (at least of the ones I've > seen), but just what, beyond the feature your work shares with my > sonnets and roundels of being largely unknown, does "Burstnorm" or > "Otherstream" tell me about them? Sorry, Michael, I'm not up to going over it all again. Will say that by "burstnorm," I meant poetry that broke norms, by "norms," meaning (mainly) the three norms of (1) formal verse conventions like meter, (2) the prose norms of free verse, and (3) the expressive modality norm of all conventional poetry. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Out of all of this, could there be an entirely other reason why the devils to whom you give the best tunes stubbornly remain less known, admired, rewarded? Goodness, why shouldn't even more recognition be given to those who dare to shape poems out of salt water, or to the Art of Sinking in such self-mocking passages as: So really not visit a remember to strange A it's always finally seems now which ago Just asking. astoundedly, Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/425ba9c7/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 18 16:33:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Bob Saved From Drowning? In-Reply-To: <5D935FDC-7B5F-4AF7-B657-39DA651FCBB2@verizon.net> References: <200903181353.n2IDramK000409@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <5D935FDC-7B5F-4AF7-B657-39DA651FCBB2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49C16892.4090301@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Bob wrote: > I do use and always have used "Wilshberia" for polemical purposes-- > > Dear Bob, you're self-exposed as a polemical Spinner, > wishing that your less-rewarded guys ideally be called > "Burstnorm," Hero-Poets (starring Nick Cage) and the rest > Iowa-Somethings (casting: Harold Lloyd). You're not understanding, Barry. I really really really chose "burstnorm" as the best most neutral term I could think of to label poets not doing conventional poetry, and really really really tried to come up with a term for the latter that would not offend. I even solicited suggestions. No one had any. You're not understanding also that a TRUE DESIRE of mine is SIMPLY a rational full taxonomy of poetry. A second TRUE DESIRE of mine is that the kind of poetry I and many friends of mine compose to get more recognition than it so far has. Sure, there's an overlap between the two desires at times, but--for me--they are really really really sincerely separate. > > You'll temper your libels (oops, labels) -- selective > grandiosities and vilifications -- till in exhaustion > victims by nomenclature will tuck tail and give in > ("don't want to have an argument with Bob!"). I'm the exhausted one, at least today, Barry. > > Out of all of this, could there be an entirely other reason > why the devils to whom you give the best tunes In my writings, I've given my best tunes to all kinds of poets, Barry. Here, though, others make my giving my best tunes to Wilshberians and other knownstreamers unnecessary. Although I think I did okay by AE > stubbornly > remain less known, admired, rewarded? Could be. I've never denied it. > > Goodness, why shouldn't even more recognition be given to > those who dare to shape poems out of salt water, or to the > Art of Sinking in such self-mocking passages as: > > So really not visit a remember to strange > > A it's always finally seems now which ago > > Just asking. > > astoundedly, Barry, forgive the condescension, but you need to study a field a bit more than you seem to have for your evaluation of it to have much weight. In the above, your doubly quoting out of context--the context of a poem, and the context of an entire practice of poetry. I somewhat sympathize with you because language poetry has always been difficult for me to grasp, and because it's hard for me not to suspect that some of those writing it are con artists free-associating. Their politics, and interest in politics, annoy me, too--as does their apparent hatred of the lyrico-aesthetic aims that are central for me--and condescension toward mainstream poetry. (Surprise you, me saying that? It shouldn't; I feel they want to replace Wilshberia, I want my people simply given a place on the map with Wilshberia.) But I KNOW some aren't self-indulgent anywhere-writing third-raters, and have found some of their experiments effective. You probably shouldn't have mentioned the language poets, though. One of them edited a Best American Poetry anthology and has been in the Academy for several years now. Silliman is probably the dominant poetic presence on the Internet. (I've done no survey, and don't get around the Internet that much, but would anyone have any relevant data on this? Just who are the Internet Forces in Poetry at present? My blog draws sometimes as many as ten visitors each day, Geof Huth's draws ten or a hundred times as many, and Silliman's draws ten or a hundred times as many as Huth's. These are the only figures I know.) Language poetry has gotten into Respected Journals, and seems to be getting some visible critical attention. 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In-Reply-To: <49C16892.4090301@nut-n-but.net> References: <200903181353.n2IDramK000409@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <5D935FDC-7B5F-4AF7-B657-39DA651FCBB2@verizon.net> <49C16892.4090301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0903181613v50ae8080m91786a147d48d355@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > a TRUE DESIRE of mine is SIMPLY a > rational full taxonomy of poetry. What you don't seem to acknowledge, Bob, is all the assumptions this "simple" desire entails that a significant number of "us" don't agree with or believe in. Or maybe you did and I missed it. In any case, given lack of sharing those foundational assumptions about classification and objectivity and aristotelian logic and aesthetics, can conversations about such a taxonomy go anywhere, really? c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 18 20:06:33 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Bob Saved From Drowning? In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903181613v50ae8080m91786a147d48d355@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903181353.n2IDramK000409@wiz.cath.vt.edu><5D935FDC-7B5F-4AF7-B657-39DA651FCBB2@verizon.net><49C16892.4090301@nut- n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0903181613v50ae8080m91786a147d48d355@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C19A99.40104@nut-n-but.net> >> a TRUE DESIRE of mine is SIMPLY a >> rational full taxonomy of poetry. >> > > What you don't seem to acknowledge, Bob, is all the assumptions this > "simple" desire entails that a significant number of "us" don't agree > with or believe in. > I think I know what you mean, Chris, but don't understand it. What assumptions are there? I'm not assuming others want a rational full taxonomy possible or think it possible. Indeed, I think almost no poet does. The two cultures, and all that. I'm just stating what /my/ simple desire is. And that I don't consider myself to be playing a power game, but a truth-seeking game. > Or maybe you did and I missed it. In any case, given lack of sharing > those foundational assumptions about classification and objectivity > and aristotelian logic and aesthetics, can conversations about such a > taxonomy go anywhere, really? I think so--we could get into why the assumptions aren't shared, etc. But Marcus and I have already done all that and more, and no one else has seemed much interested in anything but protecting the status quo, mainly by misrepresenting my position. In any case, except to try to enlighten the few sincere seekers of truth who come to me for guidance like David and Barry, I'm not up to repeating Bales/Grumman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/597f9b71/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 18 19:06:57 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Bob Saved From Drowning? In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903181613v50ae8080m91786a147d48d355@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903181353.n2IDramK000409@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <5D935FDC-7B5F-4AF7-B657-39DA651FCBB2@verizon.net> <49C16892.4090301@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0903181613v50ae8080m91786a147d48d355@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C18CA1.1090006@opus40.org> Well, they can. I once took a taxonomy to West 99th Street. Chris Lott wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> a TRUE DESIRE of mine is SIMPLY a >> rational full taxonomy of poetry. >> > > What you don't seem to acknowledge, Bob, is all the assumptions this > "simple" desire entails that a significant number of "us" don't agree > with or believe in. > > Or maybe you did and I missed it. In any case, given lack of sharing > those foundational assumptions about classification and objectivity > and aristotelian logic and aesthetics, can conversations about such a > taxonomy go anywhere, really? > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:21:21 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sydney Lea Message-ID: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> I've been rereading Sydney Lea's *To the Bone* this afternoon, savoring a few moments to myself following a nightmarish series of comprehensive exams for my Ph.D. Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I drank the New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling myself a "New Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I hope, as I've forgiven myself. Anyway, it was then that I first encountered Lea; I read his *Blainville Testament*, a longish narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He didn't do much for me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems in his shorter, more lyric pieces. What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his poetry is less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening poem in *To the Bone * recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg with a saw while chopping some wood for an indigant neighbor. The poem is a long, lyrical mediation on what undergirds narrative. The speaker moves from memory to memory, images joining with other images to form a quilted narrative-lyric poem. "To the Bone" (the poem) addresses what makes narrative: how narrative functions, and especially how narrative makes meaning. It's a pretty fantastifc poem, methinks, even if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with the (for lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of these lyrical/narrative experiments. What's he up to these days? *To the Bone* is old; 1996 is the publication date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade that's followed. Anyone know? Any thoughts on his poetry? Best, Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/d892571e/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 18 19:46:35 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4548F792-9D96-4511-BB08-01A1F38368DB@ripon.edu> Syd Lea was my undergrad teacher, and has been pretty significant in my poetic life for more than three decades. As far as I know, *Ghost Pain* is the most recent book, appearing in 2005 from Sarabande. Currently he teaches at Dartmouth and lives in Vermont. Is very active with The Frost Place in Franconia. The guy in the poem who sliced up his leg with a chain saw was Syd himself; he nearly died. No, I don't think he's ever gotten the traction he deserves, in terms of recognition & reputation. But even so, he's hardly been neglected. While editor of The New England Review he was quite a promoter of narrative poetry, even sponsoring a contest; but he's always written lyrics and other things (not to mention fiction, essays, memoir, reviews, etc.). His essay in Kate Sontag and my book *After Confession* talks about his evolving views on poetry, among other things; highly recommended. I am a biased reviewer, but I think all his books have gems. I'm particularly fond of "The Feud," a long Frostian narrative about revenge that may be what Jeff is remembering. Originally appeared in *The Floating Candles* (1982), still my favorite single volume of his. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I've been rereading Sydney Lea's To the Bone this afternoon, > savoring a few moments to myself following a nightmarish series of > comprehensive exams for my Ph.D. > > Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I > drank the New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling > myself a "New Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I > hope, as I've forgiven myself. Anyway, it was then that I first > encountered Lea; I read his Blainville Testament, a longish > narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He didn't do much for > me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems in his > shorter, more lyric pieces. > > What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his > poetry is less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening > poem in To the Bone recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg > with a saw while chopping some wood for an indigant neighbor. The > poem is a long, lyrical mediation on what undergirds narrative. > The speaker moves from memory to memory, images joining with other > images to form a quilted narrative-lyric poem. "To the Bone" (the > poem) addresses what makes narrative: how narrative functions, and > especially how narrative makes meaning. It's a pretty fantastifc > poem, methinks, even if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . > > I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with > the (for lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of > these lyrical/narrative experiments. > > What's he up to these days? To the Bone is old; 1996 is the > publication date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade > that's followed. Anyone know? Any thoughts on his poetry? > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and experience, from which each according to his own > immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. > Auden > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/f3e679e0/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:52:46 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: <4548F792-9D96-4511-BB08-01A1F38368DB@ripon.edu> References: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> <4548F792-9D96-4511-BB08-01A1F38368DB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903181752u37fe3c16k50df64b7dd01c21a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for this info, David. Rereading my original post, I find it a bit condescending, but I hope that no one else sees it this way. I certainly didn't mean to be. My snipe about New Formalist kool aid has more to do with me and less to do with Lea. But, that's the problem with identifying "Schools" of poetry, no? Once you've grouped poets into a school, you necessarily undercut (and ignore) the complexities of each individual poet. I'll have to hunt up *Ghost Pain*. Speaking of Ghost anything, have any of you read Al Maginnes's new book, *Ghost Alphabet*? Check it out; you won't be disappointed. Best, Jeff Newberry On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David Graham wrote: > Syd Lea was my undergrad teacher, and has been pretty significant in my > poetic life for more than three decades. As far as I know, *Ghost Pain* is > the most recent book, appearing in 2005 from Sarabande. > Currently he teaches at Dartmouth and lives in Vermont. Is very active > with The Frost Place in Franconia. The guy in the poem who sliced up his > leg with a chain saw was Syd himself; he nearly died. > > No, I don't think he's ever gotten the traction he deserves, in terms of > recognition & reputation. But even so, he's hardly been neglected. While > editor of The New England Review he was quite a promoter of narrative > poetry, even sponsoring a contest; but he's always written lyrics and other > things (not to mention fiction, essays, memoir, reviews, etc.). His essay > in Kate Sontag and my book *After Confession* talks about his evolving views > on poetry, among other things; highly recommended. > > I am a biased reviewer, but I think all his books have gems. I'm > particularly fond of "The Feud," a long Frostian narrative about revenge > that may be what Jeff is remembering. Originally appeared in *The Floating > Candles* (1982), still my favorite single volume of his. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > I've been rereading Sydney Lea's *To the Bone* this afternoon, savoring a > few moments to myself following a nightmarish series of comprehensive exams > for my Ph.D. > > Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I drank the > New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling myself a "New > Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I hope, as I've forgiven > myself. Anyway, it was then that I first encountered Lea; I read his *Blainville > Testament*, a longish narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He > didn't do much for me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems > in his shorter, more lyric pieces. > > What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his poetry is > less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening poem in *To the > Bone* recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg with a saw while > chopping some wood for an indigant neighbor. The poem is a long, lyrical > mediation on what undergirds narrative. The speaker moves from memory to > memory, images joining with other images to form a quilted narrative-lyric > poem. "To the Bone" (the poem) addresses what makes narrative: how > narrative functions, and especially how narrative makes meaning. It's a > pretty fantastifc poem, methinks, even if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . > > I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with the (for > lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of these > lyrical/narrative experiments. > > What's he up to these days? *To the Bone* is old; 1996 is the publication > date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade that's followed. Anyone > know? Any thoughts on his poetry? > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/2f6aa625/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:53:43 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaney wins a heap In-Reply-To: <8CB76415AFBD74D-97C-1FF8@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB76415AFBD74D-97C-1FF8@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0903181753y1abf9ed8oe8f7502eee24e21c@mail.gmail.com> Wow. As much I love Heaney's work, that amount of money makes me throw up a little . . . Jeff Newberry On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/18/seamus-heaney-david-cohen > Irish poet Seamus Heaney was recognised for the "sheer scale" of his > literary achievements with the ?40,000 David Cohen prize this evening. > > ------------------------------ > Live traffic, local info, maps, directions and more with the NEW MapQuest > Toolbar. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/b3ea4b90/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 18 19:58:59 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: <4548F792-9D96-4511-BB08-01A1F38368DB@ripon.edu> References: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> <4548F792-9D96-4511-BB08-01A1F38368DB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <2DC9770E-086F-4C11-B937-136A0F332B0A@ripon.edu> Syd Lea is kind of the last person in the world I'd expect to find with a web site, but after sending my previous post, I got curious & did a little Googling, and lo, I found the following. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd never actually visited it, but on this site you can find lots of info, sample poems, etc. Turns out that his most recent book is another book of nonfiction: *A Little Wildness: Some Notes on Rambling*, which I haven't yet seen. http://www.sydneylea.net/index.html ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:46 PM, David Graham wrote: > Syd Lea was my undergrad teacher, and has been pretty significant > in my poetic life for more than three decades. As far as I know, > *Ghost Pain* is the most recent book, appearing in 2005 from > Sarabande. > > Currently he teaches at Dartmouth and lives in Vermont. Is very > active with The Frost Place in Franconia. The guy in the poem who > sliced up his leg with a chain saw was Syd himself; he nearly died. > > No, I don't think he's ever gotten the traction he deserves, in > terms of recognition & reputation. But even so, he's hardly been > neglected. While editor of The New England Review he was quite a > promoter of narrative poetry, even sponsoring a contest; but he's > always written lyrics and other things (not to mention fiction, > essays, memoir, reviews, etc.). His essay in Kate Sontag and my > book *After Confession* talks about his evolving views on poetry, > among other things; highly recommended. > > I am a biased reviewer, but I think all his books have gems. I'm > particularly fond of "The Feud," a long Frostian narrative about > revenge that may be what Jeff is remembering. Originally appeared > in *The Floating Candles* (1982), still my favorite single volume > of his. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> I've been rereading Sydney Lea's To the Bone this afternoon, >> savoring a few moments to myself following a nightmarish series of >> comprehensive exams for my Ph.D. >> >> Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I >> drank the New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling >> myself a "New Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I >> hope, as I've forgiven myself. Anyway, it was then that I first >> encountered Lea; I read his Blainville Testament, a longish >> narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He didn't do much >> for me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems in >> his shorter, more lyric pieces. >> >> What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his >> poetry is less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening >> poem in To the Bone recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg >> with a saw while chopping some wood for an indigant neighbor. The >> poem is a long, lyrical mediation on what undergirds narrative. >> The speaker moves from memory to memory, images joining with other >> images to form a quilted narrative-lyric poem. "To the Bone" (the >> poem) addresses what makes narrative: how narrative functions, and >> especially how narrative makes meaning. It's a pretty fantastifc >> poem, methinks, even if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . >> >> I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with >> the (for lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of >> these lyrical/narrative experiments. >> >> What's he up to these days? To the Bone is old; 1996 is the >> publication date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade >> that's followed. Anyone know? Any thoughts on his poetry? >> >> Best, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them >> parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of >> particular people and experience, from which each according to his >> own immediate and peculiar needs may drawn his own conclusion. -- >> W.H. Auden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/6d3173ed/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Mar 18 21:21:50 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sydney Lea Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2009 7:21:51 PM Central Daylight Time, jeff.newberry@gmail.com writes: > > I've been rereading Sydney Lea's To the Bone this afternoon, savoring a few > moments to myself following a nightmarish series of comprehensive exams for > my Ph.D. > > Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I drank the > New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling myself a "New > Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I hope, as I've forgiven myself. > Anyway, it was then that I first encountered Lea; I read his Blainville > Testament , a longish narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He didn't do > much for me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems in his > shorter, more lyric pieces. > > What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his poetry is > less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening poem in To the Bone > recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg with a saw while chopping some wood > for an indigant neighbor. The poem is a long, lyrical mediation on what > undergirds narrative. The speaker moves from memory to memory, images joining > with other images to form a quilted narrative-lyric poem. "To the Bone" (the > poem) addresses what makes narrative: how narrative functions, and especially > how narrative makes meaning. It's a pretty fantastifc poem, methinks, even > if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . > > I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with the (for > lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of these > lyrical/narrative experiments. > > What's he up to these days? To the Bone is old; 1996 is the publication > date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade that's followed. Anyone > know? Any thoughts on his poetry? > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > To the Bone was co-winner of the Poets' Prize (the title poem was in The New Yorker and is largely autobiographical), of which I am currently poo-bah (the PP, not the NY); the other winner that year was Leon Stokesbury's Autumn Rhythm, a book I also recommend. I reviewed Ghost Pain in Hudson Review a few years ago, though I doubt if it's available online (the review). It's a book largely taken up with recovery from alcoholism--pretty harrowing. Of Syd's poetry books, I think the long narrative The Blainville Testament is my personal favorite. I'm sure that it's long out of print (Story Line), but it's a great novella in verse about revenge that starts trivially and blooms into Icelandic proportions. When he came to Lamar, I asked him to read it, and he did. We're big hunting country down here, and I knew it would resonate. It did. I also recommend Prayer for the Little City, if for no other reason than the title poem is probably the only one ever written about ice-fishing. He is a great outdoorsman, a fisher and hunter of the finest type, and a great man. As a formalist poet, he's like a bull in a china shop, but if you ever met Syd you'd understand why. I'm glad that you brought up his name. He did a great job editing New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly those many years. Looks like he (re. amazon.com) has a new collection out. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And, yes, I'll even forgive the snippy allusion to Mr. Gioia's relationship to Kool-Aid, which is pretty damn far in the past now. Besides, did any of us really dislike Kool-Aid when were kids? I always thought of it as a treat in those pre-air-conditioned days of the South. I mean, fer chrissakes, Thoreau was in the pencil business. What would you rather have in your mouth--a pencil or Kool-Aid? Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/6d5b4c3e/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 18 21:54:30 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, "The Feud" originally appeared in 1982's *The Floating Candles*, then was reprinted in *The Blainville Testament: Narrative Poems* in 1992. I would also recommend *Hunting the Whole Way Home*, his book of essays on nature & the outdoors. A description from his web site: Lea has been described as ?a man in the woods with his head full of books, and a man in books with his head full of woods.? His affection for story, moreover, an affection derived in no small measure from men and women elders in New England, colors his poetry, just as a relish for the musical properties of the word colors his prose. His lifelong passion for the natural world informs almost his every utterance. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:24 PM, Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > Sorry, but memory deserted me (once again). "The Feud," a long > narrative about revenge among deer hunters, is the poem to which I > alluded. Absolutely wonderful. I think it appeared in The > Blainsville Testament, but may have been reprinted elsewhere. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/eef8faff/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:30:25 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea Message-ID: "The Feud" is in his second book which is called THE FLAOTING CANDLES. I have that book, and it's about the extent of my familiarity with Lea. Sounds like I've got some catching up to do. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/61507d90/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 18 22:44:27 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77B09798-5FF7-4ACD-914B-799F6E2AE86B@ripon.edu> I'm delighted to see Lea's name come up. By the way, anyone interested can read "The Feud" and several other poems at this site: http://poetrynet.org/month/archive/lea/index.htm ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:31 PM, AlMaginnes@aol.com wrote: > Sorry. It looks like I've repeated information you already had. > Nevertheless, it looks like I need to read more Lea, so thanks for > this conversation. > > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090318/f7b2b7b4/attachment.html From barry.spacks at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 23:35:56 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: back to Bob In-Reply-To: <200903182325.n2INPnmK012476@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200903182325.n2INPnmK012476@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <735882B4-9BAF-4C5B-87FF-795078CE3B03@verizon.net> On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Bob G. wrote: > > You're not understanding also that a TRUE DESIRE of mine is SIMPLY a > rational full taxonomy of poetry. A second TRUE DESIRE of mine is > that > the kind of poetry I and many friends of mine compose to get more > recognition than it so far has. My desire is that innovation be recognized as an aspect of all effective poems and that categorization not serve to tarnish language gold with demeaning labels. I don't expect to make much progress getting into it any further with Bob, so will exit this foray with the thought that poetry is strong and ever likely to survive the many self-serving uses of Po-Politics. head-shakingly, Barry From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Mar 19 00:02:57 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: back to Bob Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2009 11:36:22 PM Central Daylight Time, barry.spacks@verizon.net writes: > My desire is that innovation be recognized as an aspect of all > effective poems and that categorization not serve to tarnish > language gold with demeaning labels. > > I don't expect to make much progress getting into it any > further with Bob, so will exit this foray with the thought that > poetry is strong and ever likely to survive the many self-serving > uses of Po-Politics. > > head-shakingly, > > Barry > Viva, Barry! I have my own likes and dislikes, but, Bob, sometimes you do go on like a one-trick pony! To distribute all of the diversity of "mainstream" contemporary poetry among the triad of Iowa, formalism, and whatever the hell it is that Ashbery represents is a txnmy that needs more vowels. And to argue that your genre of visual poetry hasn't received its due because of some kind of conspiracy from a nebulous "establishment" is merely pleading a special case. Are you going to the art galleries with the same complaints? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/f382ede2/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 04:09:16 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sydney Lea In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903181721j5505c3e6s80b8971c595ecfc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903190209x4173fcd5y713b25cfb5391bc@mail.gmail.com> Unrelated to the main topic, but to the "nightmarish series of comps" that last year ended with a sciatica for me. Here is my wish that everything went well to you, Anny On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I've been rereading Sydney Lea's *To the Bone* this afternoon, savoring a > few moments to myself following a nightmarish series of comprehensive exams > for my Ph.D. > > Lea's not been on my radar in a long time. Several years ago, I drank the > New Formalist kool aid and went through a stage calling myself a "New > Narrative" poet. You'll forgive that indulgence, I hope, as I've forgiven > myself. Anyway, it was then that I first encountered Lea; I read his *Blainville > Testament*, a longish narrative poem about . . . revenge, I think. He > didn't do much for me, then, but rereading him, I am finding some real gems > in his shorter, more lyric pieces. > > What's fascinating to me, though, about Lea's work is that his poetry is > less narrative and more *about* narrative. The opening poem in *To the > Bone* recounts the story of a man who's cut his leg with a saw while > chopping some wood for an indigant neighbor. The poem is a long, lyrical > mediation on what undergirds narrative. The speaker moves from memory to > memory, images joining with other images to form a quilted narrative-lyric > poem. "To the Bone" (the poem) addresses what makes narrative: how > narrative functions, and especially how narrative makes meaning. It's a > pretty fantastifc poem, methinks, even if is "Iowa Plainlay" . . . > > I *think* that Lea may be more well known for his experiments with the (for > lack of a better word) *long* poem, but I am a big fan of these > lyrical/narrative experiments. > > What's he up to these days? *To the Bone* is old; 1996 is the publication > date. I wonder what he's been up to in the decade that's followed. Anyone > know? Any thoughts on his poetry? > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may drawn his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/0c9ce4c0/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 06:32:36 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: back to Bob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C22D54.6030100@nut-n-but.net> > > Viva, Barry! I have my own likes and dislikes, but, Bob, sometimes > you do go on like a one-trick pony! Never said I didn't. But I haven't heard more than one trick back yet, Sam. > To distribute all of the diversity of "mainstream" contemporary poetry > among the triad of Iowa, formalism, and whatever the hell it is that > Ashbery represents is a txnmy that needs more vowels. Suggest what else should be there, then. I asked many times for names of schools I hadn't on my list. Response: zero. Also, I'm now calling the triad above the certified mainstream. What exactly is meant by mainstream is too difficult to pin down, but I carefully defined "certified poetry": what's primarily published, taught, criticized, anthologized, given grants . . . > And to argue that your genre of visual poetry hasn't received its due > because of some kind of conspiracy from a nebulous "establishment" is > merely pleading a special case. Are you going to the art galleries > with the same complaints? All I say is that the establishment is ignoring many varieities of poetry. No conspiracy, just the standard way of mediocrities. I have similar complaints about visual art galleries. For instance, they look down upon computer art. The science establishment is worse since they have walls against anything by an outsider. I assume the world of music is the same, but have no personal experience of it. The poetry establishment is not nebulous, by the way. It's /Poetry /and its foundation, the Harvard-/New Yorker/-/American Poetry Review/ nexus, the Academy of American Poets, and the college English departments. Note to Barry: you can believe Frost was just as innovative as Cummings, but I never will. Nor do I believe any sane person who knows anything about poetry ever will. That doesn't mean that I don't think Frost wrote a good many very effective poems. --Bob G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/36b87978/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 07:08:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaney wins a heap In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903181753y1abf9ed8oe8f7502eee24e21c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB76415AFBD74D-97C-1FF8@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0903181753y1abf9ed8oe8f7502eee24e21c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C235D8.8060609@nut-n-but.net> Jeff Newberry wrote: > Wow. As much I love Heaney's work, that amount of money makes me > throw up a little . . . > > Jeff Newberry Aw, come on, Jeff--surely the poor guy has used up the money he got from Sweden and all the other prize money he's won. Give the guy a break, and koodooze to the the Cohen people for discovering him. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 07:19:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] voc. and dic. Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903190519m5bfb4c22y5fd253353795f759@mail.gmail.com> the phrase finder: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/index.html the first good Italian online dictionary: http://www.demauroparavia.it/avanzata -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/0b070aae/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 08:14:34 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> I don't know what you think about Ashbery's 'Spring Light', Hal, but my thought is that I don't understand it. I've at times enjoyed using Bob Grumman's WEPD [What Excellent Poetry Does] as a jumping-off point because his checklist seems to cover the bases of how I and many others judge poems. Bob also began a pattern of paraphrasing a poem before setting about to WEPD'ly analyse it. At first I balked at doing it, figuring it was unnecessary, thinking that we'd all agree on what a poem was saying. My first shock wasn't with other folks' WEPD evaluations, but with their paraphrases that fundamentally disagreed with one another. It led directly, of course, to their different WEPD responses, which began with the first item on the checklist: 'something importantly true for most people'. If I cannot say what a poem 'is saying', then I can't determine whether its meaning is importantly true. I can still evaluate the poem in the light of the other checklist items, and in Ashbery's 'Spring Light' would decide that---apart from 'something importantly true for most people'---I'd rate it 'average'. Inevitably, then, my total rating of 'Spring Light' would have to be 'below average'. Pretty much keeping my eye on Shaksper's poetry in her plays as the Most Excellent poetry, I find that no one has written more excellent poetry than hers. If it were easily done, someone would've done it. If it were easy to come close to doing, possibly many poets would have done it. My further belief is that poetry is the most difficult kind of writing to do excellently. Hence, our 'failures' are little discredit to us. How could it be otherwise, the bar having been set so high? For my own part, and in large part, with analyses such as Bob's WEPD checklist, I'm trying to learn in what ways poets can be on-target and off-target so that I can fail less thoroly in my own poems, so that I can say poetically something which is memorable----that quite literally is remembered by me and some others, if only a very few words. Best, Judy 2009/3/16 Halvard Johnson > Spring Light > > The buildings, piled so casually > Behind each other, are "suggestions > Which, while only suggestions, > We hope you will take seriously." Off into > The blue. Getting there is easier, > But then we hope you will come down. > There is a great deal on the ground today, > Not just mud, but things of some importance, > Too. Like, silver paint. How do you feel > About it? And, is this a silver age? > Yeah. I suppose so. But I keep looking at the cigarette > Burns on the edge of the sink, left over > From last winter. Your argument's > Neatly beyond any paths I'm likely to take, > Here, or when I eventually leave here. > > --John Ashbery > > fr. *Houseboat Days* > [New York: Penguin Books, 1977] > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get it now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/fcea06c8/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:37:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain In-Reply-To: <648208b60903190636r6d86c78av3bcce388cc390138@mail.gmail.com> References: <77B09798-5FF7-4ACD-914B-799F6E2AE86B@ripon.edu> <8CB76A9E1108BCA-CE4-5764@webmail-dh41.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60903190636r6d86c78av3bcce388cc390138@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70903190837o75b0d4c6n946d6cfac852cfb0@mail.gmail.com> the most successful amputation of an amputated limb, that is what they say... On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:36 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > That's sort of the opposite of Viagra, no? > - Jim > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:00 AM, wrote: > >> In a bit of synchronicity, there was a piece on NPR this week about a >> doctor who helped cure a patient's chronic pain in >> an amputated arm... >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101788221 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Live traffic, local info, maps, directions and more with the NEW MapQuest >> Toolbar. Get it now >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/b6afd835/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 13:12:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net> I'm in my no-flow zone, Judy, so don't want to get into any real discussions--but am able to say something quick, which is that (in my view) the Ashbery poem doesn't express anything importantly true, or need to. In my revised list of attributes a poem needs to be considered excellent, I try to take that into consideration by requiring importantly true OR significantly beautiful (or some such). I think the Ashbery generates a mood in which beautiful events happen, apparently, for some engagents. One or two do for me, but not enough to make the poem excellent. There's MUCH more to be said, but I'm in my no-flow zone. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:13:38 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: <49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> <49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com> 'No-flow zone', Bob? 2009/3/19 Bob Grumman > I'm in my no-flow zone, Judy, so don't want to get into any real > discussions--but am able to say something quick, which is that (in my view) > the Ashbery poem doesn't express anything importantly true, or need to. In > my revised list of attributes a poem needs to be considered excellent, I try > to take that into consideration by requiring importantly true OR > significantly beautiful (or some such). I think the Ashbery generates a > mood in which beautiful events happen, apparently, for some engagents. One > or two do for me, but not enough to make the poem excellent. There's MUCH > more to be said, but I'm in my no-flow zone. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/50899928/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 13:45:46 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail .com><49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C292DA.6020505@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > 'No-flow zone', Bob? > Sometimes I call it the Null Zone. Mentally-tired? The blahs? The opposite of where one is when one experiences flow. That's some trendy psychologist's term for being and/or feeling like you're on top of things while composing a poem or doing something else creative. --Bob From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:06:21 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Best of the Net (Toot!) Message-ID: <731bb17a0903191106n6143ceadq409b67c9deb1d125@mail.gmail.com> >From the shameless self-promotion category: Dorianne Laux chose my poem "Deep, Like Blood" for this year's *Best of the Net* online anthology. It also features poems by Jehanne Dubrow and fiction by Jill McCorkle. I'm honored to be in such company. The anthology is here: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/ Best, Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/9d9c3317/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 14:09:02 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 2 New Poems of Mine In-Reply-To: <49C292DA.6020505@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail .com><49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com> <49C292DA.6020505@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49C2984E.8070101@nut-n-but.net> They're at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog01762.html. The top one I do not think very innovative although it has the incoherent non-words that Barry seems to think the height of the new new very new. It takes a step beyond what the Ashbery poem is doing--but a step that is probably a common one for many language poets. Chris, don't tell me it's not a poem; that would be taxonomization. The other Judy will say is not a poem and I will want to know what in that case it is. I don't know how innovative it is, but it definitely uses techniques not in wide use /ever/. How can anyone say it is not more innovative than most poems, even the best poems, are> Which is not to say it is effective. I really like it, but have no idea how others will take it, and do believe it's how others take a work, not what its maker thinks of it, that determines whether or not it is effective. I may be in a flow zone, after all--but going the wrong way. . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A nice thing I've found is that if I begin one of several usually-flow-producing activities [poetry-writing, talking to dear friends, going out to dinner, sketching geese at the river, jewelry-making, cheesecake-eating, ] that primes the creative pump. Oh yes! Have fun, Bob. Judy who is half-Hungarian 2009/3/19 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> 'No-flow zone', Bob? >> > Sometimes I call it the Null Zone. Mentally-tired? The blahs? The > opposite of where one is when one experiences flow. That's some trendy > psychologist's term for being and/or feeling like you're on top of things > while composing a poem or doing something else creative. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get it now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/0a737bdb/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Mar 19 13:50:54 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a type of migraine in which one sees an arc of neon light in an hatched, herringbone pattern but lack any other discomfort. They call it "a headache without the pain." -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:37 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain I have a headache but lost my head years ago. Hal On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:00 AM, wrote: In a bit of synchronicity, there was a piece on NPR this week about a doctor who helped cure a patient's chronic pain in an amputated arm... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101788221 _____ Live traffic, local info, maps, directions and more with the NEW MapQuest Toolbar. Get it now! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "No idol is more debasing than the worship of money." --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/a38c9936/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 19 14:07:53 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Best of the Net (Toot!) In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0903191106n6143ceadq409b67c9deb1d125@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0903191106n6143ceadq409b67c9deb1d125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C29809.1090602@opus40.org> Go Jeff! Jeff Newberry wrote: > >From the shameless self-promotion category: > > Dorianne Laux chose my poem "Deep, Like Blood" for this year's /Best > of the Net/ online anthology. It also features poems by Jehanne > Dubrow and fiction by Jill McCorkle. I'm honored to be in such company. > > The anthology is here: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/ > > > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate > and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From AlMaginnes at aol.com Thu Mar 19 14:15:37 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Best of the Net (Toot!) Message-ID: Wonderful news, Jeff. And well deserved. Al **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm honored to be in such company.? >? > The anthology is here: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/? >? >? >? > Best,? > Jeff Newberry? >? > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate > and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? 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And a good site for exploring the various & > sundry participating journals. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 3:07 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Best of the Net (Toot!) > > Go Jeff! > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > > >From the shameless self-promotion category: > > > > Dorianne Laux chose my poem "Deep, Like Blood" for this year's /Best > of > the Net/ online anthology. It also features poems by Jehanne > Dubrow and > fiction by Jill McCorkle. I'm honored to be in such company. > > > > The anthology is here: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/ > > > > > > > > Best, > > Jeff Newberry > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people > and experience, from which each according to his own immediate > and > peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm honored to be in such company. >> > >> > The anthology is here: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/ >> > >> > Woohoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/bc282140/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 15:58:26 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60903191358o5b49362buc3ac0faff8ba709e@mail.gmail.com> That's also a description of a suit Spike Jones might have worn. - Jim On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Skip Fox wrote: > There is a type of migraine in which one sees an arc of neon light in an > hatched, herringbone pattern but lack any other discomfort. They call it ?a > headache without the pain.? > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Halvard Johnson > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:37 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain > > > > I have a headache but lost my head years ago. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > In a bit of synchronicity, there was a piece on NPR this week about a > doctor who helped cure a patient's chronic pain in > an amputated arm... > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101788221 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Live traffic, local info, maps, directions and more with the NEW MapQuest > Toolbar. Get it now > ! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? > --Andrew Carnegie > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ptolemy expertly explores the social and philosophical implications of the transformative changes that Kurzweil predicts and their intertwined promise and peril, in dialogues with world leaders such as Colin Powell; technologists Hugo de Garis, Peter Diamandis, Kevin Warwick, and Dean Kamen; journalists Kevin Kelly and Tom Abate; and luminary Stevie Wonder. Award-winning American composer Philip Glass composed the original theme music, which mirrors the depth and intensity of the film. The movie trailer can be seen at http://www.TranscendentMan.com. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When possible I just try to sleep it off. It's been said that some saintly visions might have been migraine auras. Well, maybe. But there's nothing spiritual about what I've experienced. I've tried for years to describe what the aura looks like, and failed. "an arc of neon light in an hatched, herringbone pattern" is interesting, but doesn't resemble what I know. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Skip Fox wrote: > There is a type of migraine in which one sees an arc of neon light > in an hatched, herringbone pattern but lack any other discomfort. > They call it ?a headache without the pain.? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry- > bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:37 PM > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Ghost (limb) pain > > > I have a headache but lost my head years ago. > > Hal > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > In a bit of synchronicity, there was a piece on NPR this week about > a doctor who helped cure a patient's chronic pain in > an amputated arm... > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101788221 > > > > > > Live traffic, local info, maps, directions and more with the NEW > MapQuest Toolbar. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/c7374e0d/attachment.html From ccooley at overdomain.com Thu Mar 19 16:14:30 2009 From: ccooley at overdomain.com (Crisman Cooley) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: 2 New Poems of Mine Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for posting your 2 poems. It's been about 6 years since I joined the list and though I've seen hundreds of your posts, this is the first time I've seen your poetry. Now I see what you are fighting for. The two poems to my sense are complex and interesting in different ways. Whether they are new or not is a question that doesn't interest me. The many suggested meanings in the first (1. Cannon-blooded oce 2. Poem ran intkl' 3. lavendr music, drayfair loose 4. trip le me through th / EEE) and the second (which I read to mean "science divided by alchemy equals astrology, remainder reason) giving visual stimulation serve up an interesting interaction. I see now that the first poem rhymes: DEEE / REEE / GEEE /TEEE and the last stanza OO / OO / OO / 0O. It's tempting to say this is rhyming the easy way. But of course it isn't easy to make interesting nonsense. (If it isn't nonsense, the sense of it hasn't come to me.) I wonder how to pronounce "'aNN09O" and "34j%DEEE", but find most of the rest pronouncable. Your post a week or two ago recalling your influences, including the influence of ee cummings who came into my life too just before Cage and just after Dylan Thomas and now this post seem to follow a new tack, showing what you're up to rather than fighting for it in what you may agree was sometimes a vague, philosophical and even underinformed way is not only more interesting, but much more fun. Also, I think what you've really been fighting for is the right of your art to exist but I don't think art needs a right to exist, just as you and I don't need a right to exist, since the fact of existence is all that matters. Thanks again & cheers to you. Crisman Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:09:02 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: [New-Poetry] 2 New Poems of Mine > > They're at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog01762.html. > > The top one I do not think very innovative although it has the > incoherent non-words that Barry seems to think the height of the new new > very new. It takes a step beyond what the Ashbery poem is doing--but a > step that is probably a common one for many language poets. > > Chris, don't tell me it's not a poem; that would be taxonomization. > > The other Judy will say is not a poem and I will want to know what in > that case it is. I don't know how innovative it is, but it definitely > uses techniques not in wide use /ever/. How can anyone say it is not > more innovative than most poems, even the best poems, are> Which is not > to say it is effective. I really like it, but have no idea how others > will take it, and do believe it's how others take a work, not what its > maker thinks of it, that determines whether or not it is effective. > > I may be in a flow zone, after all--but going the wrong way. . . . > > --Bob > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/c04459ee/attachment-0001.html > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/db4f9a11/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 19 19:18:55 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: 2 New Poems of Mine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C2E0EF.4010000@nut-n-but.net> Crisman Cooley wrote: > Bob, > Thanks for posting your 2 poems. It's been about 6 years since I > joined the list and though I've seen hundreds of your posts, this is > the first time I've seen your poetry. Now I see what you are fighting > for. The two poems to my sense are complex and interesting in > different ways. Whether they are new or not is a question that > doesn't interest me. The many suggested meanings in the first (1. > Cannon-blooded oce 2. Poem ran intkl' 3. lavendr music, drayfair loose > 4. trip le me through th / EEE) and the second (which I read to mean > "science divided by alchemy equals astrology, remainder reason) giving > visual stimulation serve up an interesting interaction. > > I see now that the first poem rhymes: DEEE / REEE / GEEE /TEEE and the > last stanza OO / OO / OO / 0O. It's tempting to say this is rhyming > the easy way. But of course it isn't easy to make interesting > nonsense. (If it isn't nonsense, the sense of it hasn't come to me.) > I wonder how to pronounce "'aNN09O" and "34j%DEEE", but find most of > the rest pronouncable. The rhymes /were/ easy, but the idea of nonsensically rhyming nonsense words seemed droll to me. And puhleeze note that I rhymed zeros with /O's/. There are some internal rhymes, too. Basically, as I say in my entry, the nonsense is mostly supposed to be a kind of static, or discords for sense to ascend out of. A trick of Roethke's. You got most of the basic meaning (what I call the "foreburden") of the visual poem right. I also tried for a connection to the background that's important but maybe only there for me. A few other things. > > Your post a week or two ago recalling your influences, including the > influence of ee cummings Puhleeze again, it's E. E. Cummings--only except for Madison Avenue, according to Norman Friedman, #1 Cummings scholar, and all the evidence I've seen. > who came into my life too just before Cage and just after Dylan Thomas > and now this post seem to follow a new tack, showing what you're up to > rather than fighting for it in what you may agree was sometimes a > vague, philosophical and even underinformed way You mean, in an Internet way.... > is not only more interesting, but much more fun. Also, I think what > you've really been fighting for is the right of your art My schools of art > to exist but I don't think art needs a right to exist, just as you and > I don't need a right to exist, since the fact of existence is all that > matters. > I agree that art doesn't need a right to exist but I want it to exist for others. I also want to get enough money for it to be able more fully to devote myself to it! > > Thanks again & cheers to you. > > Crisman Grateful thanks back, Crisman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090319/0abf207d/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 20:41:40 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Ladies_Night_-_Upstairs_=40_Erika=27s_--_?= =?utf-8?q?This_Saturday_=5BAmy_King=2C_Ana_Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87_and_J?= =?utf-8?q?eni_Olin=5D?= Message-ID: <847786.76757.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> This Saturday Night --? Amy King, Ana Bo?i?evi? and Jeni Olin? Amy King is the author of I'm the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, and forthcoming, Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox Books). For information on the reading series Amy co-curates, please visit The Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series (http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/) or visit her at www.amyking.org. Ana Bo?i?evi? emigrated to NYC from Croatia in 1997. Her first book, Stars of the Night Commute, will be published by Tarpaulin Sky Press in Fall 2009. I.e., stars will appear in the sky. Her most recent chapbook, God, Sebastian, Amy, is available from Flying Guillotine Press. With Amy King, she curates the Stain of Poetry reading series. For more, visit nightcommute.org and stainofpoetry.com. Jeni Olin lives in Manhattan where she rages in "posh isolation" with her maltese dog Good Times. Jeni received her BA & MFA from Naropa University. Her first full-length book BLUE COLLAR HOLIDAY was published by Hanging Loose in 2005. Her most recent publication is a chapbook of pharmaceutical sonnets about antidepressants titled THE PILL BOOK from Faux Press, 2008. She is currently working on a manuscript called EVERYBODY LEAVES. Also she is changing her name to Truck Darling and her friends call her truck... Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:30pm - 10:30pm @ erika's loft Williamsburg -- South Brooklyn, NY L Train to Bedford Email me at amyhappens@gmail.com for the address... _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't plan to! c From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 20 10:33:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 2 New Poems of Mine In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903192130h78bd9050q4e6d4d4b77fae4d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com><49C292DA.6020505@nut-n-but.net> <49C2984E.8070101@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0903192130h78bd9050q4e6d4d4b77fae4d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB7788505A1460-1764-15E@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com> (An emailed muzzle)? Don't even think it, then. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lott Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:30 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 2 New Poems of Mine On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > They're at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog01762.html. > > > Chris, don't tell me it's not a poem; that would be taxonomization. I didn't plan to! c _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/265d4e2f/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:45:37 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not "understanding" poems (or paintings, or pieces of music) has never been a problem for me, Judy. And paraphrasing, as a way to determine "what a poem is saying" is not very high on my list of things to do. In fact, I have trouble with the assumption that a poem necessarily has "something to say"--anymore than a painting or a piece of music is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a poem has to say, I think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. And I think that for over a century now we (some of us, anyway) have learned to do without the hook--the sort of conventional truth that poets for many, many years had hung their poems on. I'd also say that I'm not much concerned with "evaluating" poems (or paintings, or pieces of music). I'm definitely not a critic. As an editor, I do make choices, however, as I must, but I don't care to erect the bases of my choices into a conscious, thought-out system. I value poems that seem of value to me (I know that's circular). And they don't *entirely* have to be of value--sometimes it's only a line or two, a rhythm, an image, etc. that do the job. What I love in Ashbery (and I can't say I love, or have even read all his work) is the abundant surprise. There's an energy in that that I can almost always use to jump- start me as a writer. I also value his devotion (usually) to what someone called the "classic French virtues": clarity, refinement, and lightness of touch. And, as I see it, clarity in this context does not have to do so much with paraphrasable or extractable "meaning" as with a clarity of tone. Hal, for whom being off-target means wandering into the wrong store at the mall On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Judy Prince wrote: > I don't know what you think about Ashbery's 'Spring Light', Hal, but my > thought is that I don't understand it. > I've at times enjoyed using Bob Grumman's WEPD [What Excellent Poetry Does] > as a jumping-off point because his checklist seems to cover the bases of how > I and many others judge poems. > > Bob also began a pattern of paraphrasing a poem before setting about to > WEPD'ly analyse it. At first I balked at doing it, figuring it was > unnecessary, thinking that we'd all agree on what a poem was saying. My > first shock wasn't with other folks' WEPD evaluations, but with their > paraphrases that fundamentally disagreed with one another. It led directly, > of course, to their different WEPD responses, which began with the first > item on the checklist: 'something importantly true for most people'. > > If I cannot say what a poem 'is saying', then I can't determine whether its > meaning is importantly true. I can still evaluate the poem in the light of > the other checklist items, and in Ashbery's 'Spring Light' would decide > that---apart from 'something importantly true for most people'---I'd rate it > 'average'. Inevitably, then, my total rating of 'Spring Light' would have > to be 'below average'. > > Pretty much keeping my eye on Shaksper's poetry in her plays as the Most > Excellent poetry, I find that no one has written more excellent poetry than > hers. If it were easily done, someone would've done it. If it were easy to > come close to doing, possibly many poets would have done it. My further > belief is that poetry is the most difficult kind of writing to do > excellently. Hence, our 'failures' are little discredit to us. How could > it be otherwise, the bar having been set so high? > > For my own part, and in large part, with analyses such as Bob's WEPD > checklist, I'm trying to learn in what ways poets can be on-target and > off-target so that I can fail less thoroly in my own poems, so that I can > say poetically something which is memorable----that quite literally is > remembered by me and some others, if only a very few words. > > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/3/16 Halvard Johnson > >> Spring Light >> >> The buildings, piled so casually >> Behind each other, are "suggestions >> Which, while only suggestions, >> We hope you will take seriously." Off into >> The blue. Getting there is easier, >> But then we hope you will come down. >> There is a great deal on the ground today, >> Not just mud, but things of some importance, >> Too. Like, silver paint. How do you feel >> About it? And, is this a silver age? >> Yeah. I suppose so. But I keep looking at the cigarette >> Burns on the edge of the sink, left over >> From last winter. Your argument's >> Neatly beyond any paths I'm likely to take, >> Here, or when I eventually leave here. >> >> --John Ashbery >> >> fr. *Houseboat Days* >> [New York: Penguin Books, 1977] >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because you know, adults always and only read to learn their moral codes, right?? --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Halvard Johnson wrote: From: Halvard Johnson is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a poem has to say, I think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/dc0959b6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:40:11 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Sal Salasin Message-ID: Jesus told me to sell stuff people don't need to people who can't afford it. What's the American dream for four hundred, Alex? Now I'm facing more charges than American Express. And this is my lawyer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Esq. And I realized at that moment that all that really mattered to me was my career. Anyway, I'm a pizza delivery engineer. Now I'd like to speak for a moment about the poetry of yeast which is mostly about growing up free and beautiful and later drowning in a sea of shit. Unless you find out later, like Newt Gingrich, that the American people may be fools but they're by no means consistantly fools. "Oh, don't worry about it," she said, "Ed McMahon will come around tomorrow with a big check." Sal Salasin was the founder and powerhouse behind RealPoetik. -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/9d31ed5f/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:40:03 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: John Ashbery, "Spring Light" In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0903201213p712f4591s24aae019a17c8503@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0903201213p712f4591s24aae019a17c8503@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Amazed to read you saying that Ashbery forecloses meanings, etc. For me it's just the opposite. Hal On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > Wow, Hal, I've never known you to write so much in an email! I'd intended, > as so often [and will try to remember to make it clear in the future] to > elicit responses from anyone on the list. > I can easily see how you sense in some of Ashbery's works 'a clarity of > tone' without it being a clarity of meaning. My bottom line about it is: > Does Ashbery know what he means, or are his works accretions of clear-toned > disparates in which we readers must/can find meanings and unity that he does > not [feel bound to] present to us. Again, I may be imposing an 'ought' on > Ashbery and other poets, a prescription that you and others do not bring to > your appreciation of poetry. > > If this were a conversation, I think we'd've come to a point of agreeing > rather quickly on some points, tho. [I'm constantly amazed at emailing > being a unique form of miscommunication.] > > A case of agreement in point: Though I enjoyed as a new 'experiment' [and > felt frustrated by] the few times here on NP I've paraphrased/analysed with > WEPD, I don't do it otherwise. > > One value in the experiment for me was being forced to run up into my > consciousness what I felt made a poem more or less effective. My usual > evaluation amounts to at most two reads, a quick 'judgment', and moving on. > Most surprising [about doing the experiment] for me was finding out so many > of us disagreed wildly about what a poem said to us. For you and others on > the list not new to poetry, like I am, that might not have been a surprise. > > A nother point of our agreement---and a hugely important one---is what > Michael Alexander at one time, email'ly, put this way: "(P)oets are allowed > to baffle us beautifully once in awhile." > > I think that you and I react differently to the amount of baffling we > tolerate/enjoy. We both find that some poetic bits which we may not quite > 'understand' to mean in themselves, can jumpstart our imagination > brilliantly, elegantly, and memorably. Goes with the territory of poetry. > Is the backbone of Excellent poetry. Is the ironic heart of stunning > poetry. Ironic because figurative language cannot be a point-for-point > similarity and therefore can lead to quite different interps----at the same > time as it is poetry's gold, bringing cunning-swift recognition and > understanding. > > You may 'need' less overt meaning in poetry than I do. The lift-offs you > get in some of Ashbery's works don't even get me to an approach. Maybe it's > a 'guy thing'. [Yes, yes, I'm kidding!] > > All that said, Hal, here's a further irony: my own poetry seems most often > un-understandable to others [tho perfectly understandable to me]. I'll > paste in a short poem below that I'd sent in to POETRYETC back in June. The > kind commenters, liking some of its bits, nevertheless said that they didn't > 'get it'. > > I wonder if the phenomenon of the-poet-knowing-what-(s)he-says, but her/his > readers not knowing what the poet says, is a Big Deal. I think it may > sometimes be a big deal. > > I also think that, for many reasons, many poets fling things that they hope > readers will find meanings from----but that they themselves don't have the > foggiest notion about. Is Ashbery one of the foggies? Yes, I think so. > And I think it's too bad, because he forecloses so many important > opportunities to reveal unities, understandings, and recognitions. > > My un-understandable poem: > > The Uncovering Wait > > my face in the window looking in, looking out > your hand like the back of a leaf > huddled, caught in a collar of hedge > your green life going > > a tree spire of black birds dreaming > in dips and wedges > > there is no light, no season of shells-- > only my face in the paling night > when I must hand you over > > --------------------- > > jbprince > > > > > > > 2009/3/20 Halvard Johnson > > Not "understanding" poems (or paintings, or pieces of music) has never been >> a problem >> for me, Judy. And paraphrasing, as a way to determine "what a poem is >> saying" is not >> very high on my list of things to do. In fact, I have trouble with the >> assumption that a >> poem necessarily has "something to say"--anymore than a painting or a >> piece of music >> is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a poem has >> to say, I >> think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. And I think >> that for over a >> century now we (some of us, anyway) have learned to do without the >> hook--the sort >> of conventional truth that poets for many, many years had hung their poems >> on. >> >> I'd also say that I'm not much concerned with "evaluating" poems (or >> paintings, or >> pieces of music). I'm definitely not a critic. As an editor, I do make >> choices, however, >> as I must, but I don't care to erect the bases of my choices into a >> conscious, thought-out >> system. I value poems that seem of value to me (I know that's circular). >> And they don't >> *entirely* have to be of value--sometimes it's only a line or two, a >> rhythm, an image, >> etc. that do the job. >> >> What I love in Ashbery (and I can't say I love, or have even read all his >> work) is the >> abundant surprise. There's an energy in that that I can almost always use >> to jump- >> start me as a writer. I also value his devotion (usually) to what someone >> called the >> "classic French virtues": clarity, refinement, and lightness of touch. >> And, as I see it, >> clarity in this context does not have to do so much with paraphrasable or >> extractable >> "meaning" as with a clarity of tone. >> >> Hal, for whom being off-target means wandering into the wrong store at the >> mall >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Judy Prince < >> jbalizsprince@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't know what you think about Ashbery's 'Spring Light', Hal, but my >>> thought is that I don't understand it. >>> I've at times enjoyed using Bob Grumman's WEPD [What Excellent Poetry >>> Does] as a jumping-off point because his checklist seems to cover the bases >>> of how I and many others judge poems. >>> >>> Bob also began a pattern of paraphrasing a poem before setting about to >>> WEPD'ly analyse it. At first I balked at doing it, figuring it was >>> unnecessary, thinking that we'd all agree on what a poem was saying. My >>> first shock wasn't with other folks' WEPD evaluations, but with their >>> paraphrases that fundamentally disagreed with one another. It led directly, >>> of course, to their different WEPD responses, which began with the first >>> item on the checklist: 'something importantly true for most people'. >>> >>> If I cannot say what a poem 'is saying', then I can't determine whether >>> its meaning is importantly true. I can still evaluate the poem in the light >>> of the other checklist items, and in Ashbery's 'Spring Light' would decide >>> that---apart from 'something importantly true for most people'---I'd rate it >>> 'average'. Inevitably, then, my total rating of 'Spring Light' would have >>> to be 'below average'. >>> >>> Pretty much keeping my eye on Shaksper's poetry in her plays as the Most >>> Excellent poetry, I find that no one has written more excellent poetry than >>> hers. If it were easily done, someone would've done it. If it were easy to >>> come close to doing, possibly many poets would have done it. My further >>> belief is that poetry is the most difficult kind of writing to do >>> excellently. Hence, our 'failures' are little discredit to us. How could >>> it be otherwise, the bar having been set so high? >>> >>> For my own part, and in large part, with analyses such as Bob's WEPD >>> checklist, I'm trying to learn in what ways poets can be on-target and >>> off-target so that I can fail less thoroly in my own poems, so that I can >>> say poetically something which is memorable----that quite literally is >>> remembered by me and some others, if only a very few words. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> 2009/3/16 Halvard Johnson >>> >>>> Spring Light >>>> >>>> The buildings, piled so casually >>>> Behind each other, are "suggestions >>>> Which, while only suggestions, >>>> We hope you will take seriously." Off into >>>> The blue. Getting there is easier, >>>> But then we hope you will come down. >>>> There is a great deal on the ground today, >>>> Not just mud, but things of some importance, >>>> Too. Like, silver paint. How do you feel >>>> About it? And, is this a silver age? >>>> Yeah. I suppose so. But I keep looking at the cigarette >>>> Burns on the edge of the sink, left over >>>> From last winter. Your argument's >>>> Neatly beyond any paths I'm likely to take, >>>> Here, or when I eventually leave here. >>>> >>>> --John Ashbery >>>> >>>> fr. *Houseboat Days* >>>> [New York: Penguin Books, 1977] >>>> >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> Halvard Johnson >>>> ================ >>>> halvard@gmail.com >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >>>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? >> --Andrew Carnegie >> >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The last book was purchased at Stacey's bookstore Tuesday. It was 70 percent off and it may have had a teardrop or two on it. Stacey's, the largest independent bookseller left in San Francisco, is no more. Once it was four floors of books. Now it is four floors of nearly empty shelves, empty racks, empty tables and empty everything else. The shelves are for sale, along with all the rest, including the sign on the rest room door that says you mustn't bring unbought books into the rest room with you. You can have the sign for a buck. See the liquidator at the information desk. So it goes in the dead tree business. Things printed on paper - things like books and note cards and newspapers - seem more endangered than condors and arctic ice. "Stacey's has always been here," said Leslie Hanna, who was taking a chance on a mystery novel about Thailand, partly because she likes Thailand and partly because it was $4.20 instead of $15. "Just because it's always been here, you think it's always going to be here. You count on it. And then it breaks your heart." There was no shortage of broken hearts, long faces and slumped shoulders inside the giant emporium. Like most bookstores, Stacey's has served as a refuge from whatever's outside. For five decades it has welcomed browsers no less warmly than buyers to its sanctuary at Second and Market. Stacey's was known for its comfortable stuffed chairs and for clerks who never said you couldn't sit in them. Now the chairs are for sale, at $35 apiece. Andrew McKinley, who runs the Adobe used-book shop in the Mission District, dropped by to pick up some of Stacey's cast-off bookcases for his own store. That's something of a gamble, he acknowledged, as bookstores are all in pretty much the same fix. On the other hand, the bookcases were only $25 apiece. "I'm hopeful," he said. "But it may be that all small independent bookstores are doomed. What's happening here is a very bad sign." Carol Lauten, a photographer from Sausalito, was buying up wire bookstands at five for a buck. She planned to use them to display her photographs, and she was feeling a little guilty about the good deal she was getting. "I'd rather pay full price for these things and have Stacey's stay in business," she said. "It's unfortunate that I'm getting such a bargain." Behind the customer service desk stood clerk Lauretta Cuadra. The desk was for sale, she said, for $150. That was the best customer service she could manage, under the circumstances. For years, Cuadra has been in charge of the book layaway service. On the last day of business there is nothing to lay away. "People won't know what they've lost until after it's gone," she said. "I'd like it for bookstores to remain viable, but I don't know how to do it. The world is changing and there's no stopping it." And there was no stopping Cuadra from buying a filing cabinet and a lamp from among the fixtures. Sentiment is one thing, but a good deal is a deal. Just about the only things not for sale were a box of tissues that more than one mopey customer had been dipping into, along with a wall clock that was ticking off the seconds until 6 p.m. closing time. Veteran clerk Ed Mycue said he didn't know what he was going to do after the store shut down. Bookstore clerks don't know how to do much besides be bookstore clerks, he said with a sigh, and that's an occupation the world has decided it can largely do without. He wrote a book of poems about such situations, and he was passing out the book to last-day customers, free, which was an even better deal than 70 percent off. "We leave nothing behind," read one of the poems. "What we are we are/What we have been is us/What is left is nothing." That's the business model for today's bookstore, Mycue said. "My nephews tell me they get all the information they need off the Internet," he said, shrugging. "What can you do about it? Not one thing." E-mail Steve Rubenstein at srubenstein@sfchronicle.com. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/18/BAIP16HS09.DTL This article appeared on page *B - 1* of the San Francisco Chronicle ------------------------------ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. Check it out. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/fa165ee0/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 20 17:12:19 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 2 New Poems of Mine In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0903192130h78bd9050q4e6d4d4b77fae4d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C28B0D.90201@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0903191013s6928ea 40t88a9c206f996bfb5@mail.gmail.com><49C292DA.6020505@nut-n-but.net> <49C2984E.8070101@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0903192130h78bd9050q4e6d4d4b77fae4d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C414C3.2010207@nut-n-but.net> >> >> Chris, don't tell me it's not a poem; that would be taxonomization. >> > > I didn't plan to! > > c Actually, if I'd stopped to think at all, I would have known that, Chris (and did after I posted but before you posted back). I just hadda do my little joke against people who oppose taxonomization and you were the last opposing it to me (I think) so I addressed the joke to you. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/fba9075e/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Mar 20 19:48:45 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Not "understanding" poems (or paintings, or pieces of music) has > never been a problem > for me, Judy. And paraphrasing, as a way to determine "what a poem > is saying" is not > very high on my list of things to do. In fact, I have trouble with > the assumption that a > poem necessarily has "something to say"--anymore than a painting or > a piece of music > is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a > poem has to say, I > think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. And I > think that for over a > century now we (some of us, anyway) have learned to do without the > hook--the sort > of conventional truth that poets for many, many years had hung > their poems on. ======================== Here's a very lucid, appealing statement of an aesthetic that is about as different from my own as it could be. Without trying to change anyone's mind or even cast aspersions on a perfectly valid way of looking at poetry, I might say a few things to describe my own way of seeing these matters. I'd agree that a lot of very engaging poetry, even before Gertrude Stein came galumphing along, didn't necessarily have much "to say." I'm thinking of some of Shakespeare's songs, for instance, or "Jabberwocky," or even certain rhetorical flights in classical poetry whose point is not really to advance the plot or express an idea, but rather to relish linguistic play. In a parallel vein I am also thinking of poems with something to say, but that something just isn't very interesting--consider those thousands of exquisite lyrics whose prose paraphrases would be truisms or worse. "What oft was thought but ne'er so well express'd" and all that. In any event, I see nothing at all *wrong* with writing poetry that is the verbal equivalent of abstract expressionist painting, all drip and splash with little or no representational meaning. I like some of that poetry very much. At the same time, a lot of great poetry (and I mean a *lot*, probably the vast majority) does very assuredly have things to say, both in terms of the poet's intentions and in terms of readers' expectations and understanding. Much of it engages with profound subjects in a deep and complex way, in fact. I see no reason to brush that grand tradition aside, and remain unconvinced that "doing without the hook" is necessarily a gain. Since we're talking about a century-long tradition following up on many thousands of years when poets conceived of things differently, I would suppose that the burden of proof is on the followers of Gertrude Stein to convince readers that there is more to be gained than lost by treating "meaning" so cavalierly. But that's just me. Or, more precisely, me and the vast majority of poetry readers, now and in times past. Moreover, it seems obvious to me that much great poetry manages to be both deeply engaged with theme *and* highly ambiguous and elusive. The problem I often have when people disparage poems that "say" something ("why don't you just pick up the phone if you want to express yourself?") is that it assumes that the "something" which poems express is a simple, paraphraseable thing. Well, sometimes it is. In weak poetry, usually. But often (see Dickinson, see Whitman) it just isn't. If I were creating a rubric for poetic excellence, one criterion would certainly be something like mystery or elusiveness, which is not mutually exclusive with fairly clear expression of theme. Since Shakespeare, Whitman, and Frost contain all the ambiguity and mystery I could ever imagine wanting, and since their linguistic play is at least as brilliant as anything Ashbery or Silliman can concoct, I'm still waiting to learn how "doing without the hook" necessarily adds anything to my pleasure. And I wonder why anyone would abandon half of "dulce et utile" when one doesn't have to? It has been said--a lot in the past century--that poetry is not a good medium for ethical deliberation and so forth. I just don't buy it. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/2fb29d2d/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 19:55:35 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: References: <7db1d01b0903190614w30230798gaf29183f2fbc2e01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0903201755r63dffe19i4f940d6c6b658649@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for 'Something to say' which states what I believe and feel in a far better way, and more comprehensively, than I have said it, David. Best, Judy 2009/3/20 David Graham > > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Not "understanding" poems (or paintings, or pieces of music) has never been > a problem > for me, Judy. And paraphrasing, as a way to determine "what a poem is > saying" is not > very high on my list of things to do. In fact, I have trouble with the > assumption that a > poem necessarily has "something to say"--anymore than a painting or a piece > of music > is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a poem has > to say, I > think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. And I think > that for over a > century now we (some of us, anyway) have learned to do without the > hook--the sort > of conventional truth that poets for many, many years had hung their poems > on. > > ======================== > > Here's a very lucid, appealing statement of an aesthetic that is about as > different from my own as it could be. > > Without trying to change anyone's mind or even cast aspersions on a > perfectly valid way of looking at poetry, I might say a few things to > describe my own way of seeing these matters. > > I'd agree that a lot of very engaging poetry, even before Gertrude Stein > came galumphing along, didn't necessarily have much "to say." I'm thinking > of some of Shakespeare's songs, for instance, or "Jabberwocky," or even > certain rhetorical flights in classical poetry whose point is not really to > advance the plot or express an idea, but rather to relish linguistic play. > In a parallel vein I am also thinking of poems with something to say, but > that something just isn't very interesting--consider those thousands of > exquisite lyrics whose prose paraphrases would be truisms or worse. "What > oft was thought but ne'er so well express'd" and all that. > > In any event, I see nothing at all *wrong* with writing poetry that is the > verbal equivalent of abstract expressionist painting, all drip and splash > with little or no representational meaning. I like some of that poetry very > much. > > At the same time, a lot of great poetry (and I mean a *lot*, probably the > vast majority) does very assuredly have things to say, both in terms of the > poet's intentions and in terms of readers' expectations and understanding. > Much of it engages with profound subjects in a deep and complex way, in > fact. I see no reason to brush that grand tradition aside, and remain > unconvinced that "doing without the hook" is necessarily a gain. > > Since we're talking about a century-long tradition following up on many > thousands of years when poets conceived of things differently, I would > suppose that the burden of proof is on the followers of Gertrude Stein to > convince readers that there is more to be gained than lost by treating > "meaning" so cavalierly. But that's just me. Or, more precisely, me and > the vast majority of poetry readers, now and in times past. > > Moreover, it seems obvious to me that much great poetry manages to be both > deeply engaged with theme *and* highly ambiguous and elusive. The problem I > often have when people disparage poems that "say" something ("why don't you > just pick up the phone if you want to express yourself?") is that it assumes > that the "something" which poems express is a simple, paraphraseable thing. > Well, sometimes it is. In weak poetry, usually. But often (see Dickinson, > see Whitman) it just isn't. If I were creating a rubric for poetic > excellence, one criterion would certainly be something like mystery or > elusiveness, which is not mutually exclusive with fairly clear expression of > theme. > > Since Shakespeare, Whitman, and Frost contain all the ambiguity and mystery > I could ever imagine wanting, and since their linguistic play is at least as > brilliant as anything Ashbery or Silliman can concoct, I'm still waiting to > learn how "doing without the hook" necessarily adds anything to my pleasure. > And I wonder why anyone would abandon half of "dulce et utile" when one > doesn't have to? > > It has been said--a lot in the past century--that poetry is not a good > medium for ethical deliberation and so forth. I just don't buy it. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In fact, I have trouble with the > assumption that a > poem necessarily has "something to say"--anymore than a painting or a piece > of music > is a statement about the world (or whatever). If anything, what a poem has > to say, I > think, is just a hook to hang the poem on, if you follow me. And I think > that for over a > century now we (some of us, anyway) have learned to do without the > hook--the sort > of conventional truth that poets for many, many years had hung their poems > on. > > ======================== > > Here's a very lucid, appealing statement of an aesthetic that is about as > different from my own as it could be. > > Without trying to change anyone's mind or even cast aspersions on a > perfectly valid way of looking at poetry, I might say a few things to > describe my own way of seeing these matters. > > I'd agree that a lot of very engaging poetry, even before Gertrude Stein > came galumphing along, didn't necessarily have much "to say." I'm thinking > of some of Shakespeare's songs, for instance, or "Jabberwocky," or even > certain rhetorical flights in classical poetry whose point is not really to > advance the plot or express an idea, but rather to relish linguistic play. > In a parallel vein I am also thinking of poems with something to say, but > that something just isn't very interesting--consider those thousands of > exquisite lyrics whose prose paraphrases would be truisms or worse. "What > oft was thought but ne'er so well express'd" and all that. > > In any event, I see nothing at all *wrong* with writing poetry that is the > verbal equivalent of abstract expressionist painting, all drip and splash > with little or no representational meaning. I like some of that poetry very > much. > > At the same time, a lot of great poetry (and I mean a *lot*, probably the > vast majority) does very assuredly have things to say, both in terms of the > poet's intentions and in terms of readers' expectations and understanding. > Much of it engages with profound subjects in a deep and complex way, in > fact. I see no reason to brush that grand tradition aside, and remain > unconvinced that "doing without the hook" is necessarily a gain. > > Since we're talking about a century-long tradition following up on many > thousands of years when poets conceived of things differently, I would > suppose that the burden of proof is on the followers of Gertrude Stein to > convince readers that there is more to be gained than lost by treating > "meaning" so cavalierly. But that's just me. Or, more precisely, me and > the vast majority of poetry readers, now and in times past. > > Moreover, it seems obvious to me that much great poetry manages to be both > deeply engaged with theme *and* highly ambiguous and elusive. The problem I > often have when people disparage poems that "say" something ("why don't you > just pick up the phone if you want to express yourself?") is that it assumes > that the "something" which poems express is a simple, paraphraseable thing. > Well, sometimes it is. In weak poetry, usually. But often (see Dickinson, > see Whitman) it just isn't. If I were creating a rubric for poetic > excellence, one criterion would certainly be something like mystery or > elusiveness, which is not mutually exclusive with fairly clear expression of > theme. > > Since Shakespeare, Whitman, and Frost contain all the ambiguity and mystery > I could ever imagine wanting, and since their linguistic play is at least as > brilliant as anything Ashbery or Silliman can concoct, I'm still waiting to > learn how "doing without the hook" necessarily adds anything to my pleasure. > And I wonder why anyone would abandon half of "dulce et utile" when one > doesn't have to? > > It has been said--a lot in the past century--that poetry is not a good > medium for ethical deliberation and so forth. I just don't buy it. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ?No idol is more debasing than the worship of money.? --Andrew Carnegie Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't especially connect with Levine's ethos, but I have no problem with poets telling us what they feel is right or wrong. Sometimes it results in very bad poetry, but what the hell? There is always a lot of bad poetry around. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090320/17e03637/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sat Mar 21 15:07:52 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Edge of Love In-Reply-To: <8CB77BC9708CD66-1100-19FC@WEBMAIL-MY15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB77BC9708CD66-1100-19FC@WEBMAIL-MY15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB7877D9CB7611-16FC-963@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/20/movie-review-the-edge-of-love/ You might have heard "The Edge of Love" described as the Dylan Thomas biopic. It's not. Yes, the Welsh poet is a central character and brought to life with a grounded, casual ease by Welsh actor Matthew Rhys. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090321/9cd79c56/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sat Mar 21 15:40:52 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ugly Duckling Message-ID: <8CB787C75A85AFB-16FC-A3F@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com> http://themoment.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/poetry-in-motion-ugly-duckling-presse/ Ugly Duckling Presse, a publishing collective specializing in experimental poetry and new editions of forgotten textual artists, produces lovely, cheeky books by authors you?ve probably never heard of but your grandchildren will likely read in college. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090321/f3708841/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 17:34:31 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] overage fees In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70903211424qa66a65ao2910b7e06040cc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70903211424qa66a65ao2910b7e06040cc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Over the age of what, I wonder? Hal "A discouraging number of reputable poets are sane beyond recall." --E. B. White Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-time-warner-starts-comsumption-pricing-trial-will-charge-overage-fees/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My check-list for attributes of an excellent poem is now as follows: (1) results in an experience of something importantly beautiful; (2) is clear, but not easily clear, nor ever finally fully clear: (3) has a Unifying Principal, or some meaning or image or the like which pulls its elements reasonably close together; (4) contains few or no superfluous words or other matter; (5) boasts some constituent of substance that few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery; (6) avoids excessive use of predictable language, imagery, sentiment, ideation, technique and structural methodology. The requirement that an excellent poem explicitly express an Important Truth is for Philistines only, I feel. That it most avoid explicitly expressing an important truth is equally silly--although I don't think there are many poems that explicitly express Important Truths. Ethical content is another matter since there can be Important Truths that have nothing to do with ethics. I have a strong bias against ethical content but grant that a poem can contain it and still be excellent. If ethical content, or any kind of Important Truths outwieghs a text's aesthetic content, the text--in my poetics, is not a poem, it's information. Or propaganda. Two questions occur: can a poem of excellence /not/ be found to express an Important Truth if one tries hard enough to find one (as I did with "lighght")? Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is there /nothing/ you believe a poem should have that no other text has that gives it special value? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers ? as small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe poems which are valuable as the common heritage of all the speakers of a language or even of all of humanity, such as those of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but the value of the poem resides in the appreciation of readers. There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would say that for me, and and argue that for most of human history up until the late 19th /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, whatever else it does (tell a story, comfort a child, make a joke, argue a philosophical point), plays with the interaction between ordinary speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some external formal system. Even free verse uses the line break influence the voice, even if it's just the voice in the reader's mind. One consequuence of that,for me, is that I don't consider any text poetry that I can't hear as human speech. For instance, language poetry (at least as it was written through the mid-90s) seems to me not poetry but rather noise using shards of language, because I can't discern any human voice in all that text. Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman and not Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Snider wrote: > > > > > Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is > there /nothing/ you believe a poem should have that no other text > has that gives it special value? > > --Bob > > > > > Bob, you could probably guess my answer, but here it is ? any special > poem may have have depends on the reactions of readers, and,over time, > it is the continued value of that poem to generations of readers which > determines whether it survives. > > There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers ? as > small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe poems which > are valuable as the common heritage of all the speakers of a language > or even of all of humanity, such as those of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but > the value of the poem resides in the appreciation of readers. > > There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would say > that for me, and and argue that for most of human history up until the > late 19th /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, whatever else > it does (tell a story, comfort a child, make a joke, argue a > philosophical point), plays with the interaction between ordinary > speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some external formal system. Even free > verse uses the line break influence the voice, even if it's just the > voice in the reader's mind. One consequuence of that,for me, is that I > don't consider any text poetry that I can't hear as human speech. For > instance, language poetry (at least as it was written through the > mid-90s) seems to me not poetry but rather noise using shards of > language, because I can't discern any human voice in all that text. > > Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. > > And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman and > not Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:47:25 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <49C669C5.6000104@nut-n-but.net> References: <49C669C5.6000104@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure that check-lists are matters of belief, Bob, but your question reminds me of a woman who once told me that something I'd sent her wasn't a poem because everybody knows that the lines of poem begin with capital letters. Hal, who loves noise and who knows that nothing's a meal that doesn't end with dessert "A discouraging number of reputable poets are sane beyond recall." --E. B. White Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is there * > nothing* you believe a poem should have that no other text has that gives > it special value? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/f2edbee9/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:55:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <49C67B7F.2000803@opus40.org> References: <49C669C5.6000104@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> <49C67B7F.2000803@opus40.org> Message-ID: I might also add that if there were an iron-clad definition of poetry I'd go buy me a blow-torch and burn a hole in it--let it some fresh air. Hal "A discouraging number of reputable poets are sane beyond recall." --E. B. White Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:55 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > If I had time, I'd take issue with a little of Mike's definition, but > mostly I'll give him an 89 -- it's got a good beat, and I can dance to it. > > Michael Snider wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is >> there /nothing/ you believe a poem should have that no other text >> has that gives it special value? >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> >> Bob, you could probably guess my answer, but here it is ? any special poem >> may have have depends on the reactions of readers, and,over time, it is the >> continued value of that poem to generations of readers which determines >> whether it survives. >> >> There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers ? as >> small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe poems which are >> valuable as the common heritage of all the speakers of a language or even of >> all of humanity, such as those of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but the value of the >> poem resides in the appreciation of readers. >> >> There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would say that >> for me, and and argue that for most of human history up until the late 19th >> /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, whatever else it does (tell a >> story, comfort a child, make a joke, argue a philosophical point), plays >> with the interaction between ordinary speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some >> external formal system. Even free verse uses the line break influence the >> voice, even if it's just the voice in the reader's mind. One consequuence of >> that,for me, is that I don't consider any text poetry that I can't hear as >> human speech. For instance, language poetry (at least as it was written >> through the mid-90s) seems to me not poetry but rather noise using shards of >> language, because I can't discern any human voice in all that text. >> >> Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. >> >> And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman and not >> Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/f8f54fe6/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 22 15:01:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C669C5.600 0104@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C69919.20703@nut-n-but.net> Michael Snider wrote: > > > > > Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is > there /nothing/ you believe a poem should have that no other text > has that gives it special value? > > --Bob > > > > > Bob, you could probably guess my answer, but here it is ? any special > poem may have have depends on the reactions of readers, and,over time, > it is the continued value of that poem to generations of readers which > determines whether it survives. You're not answering the QUES tion, Michael! Take one poem you think has a quality /that no non-poem has--/that makes it survive. What is it? > > There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers ? as > small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe poems which > are valuable as the common heritage of all the speakers of a language > or even of all of humanity, such as those of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but > the value of the poem resides in the appreciation of readers. > > There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would say > that for me, and and argue that for most of human history up until the > late 19th /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, whatever else > it does (tell a story, comfort a child, make a joke, argue a > philosophical point), plays with the interaction between ordinary > speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some external formal system. Even free > verse uses the line break influence the voice, even if it's just the > voice in the reader's mind. One consequuence of that,for me, is that I > don't consider any text poetry that I can't hear as human speech. For > instance, language poetry (at least as it was written through the > mid-90s) seems to me not poetry but rather noise using shards of > language, because I can't discern any human voice in all that text. You're probably wrong about poetry never not being heard or recorded speech. There were visual poems in ancient Egypt. Who knows what they were called, though. > > Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. Ironically, some language poets think of their poems as nothing but sound made by the human voice. But many poems called language poetry are certainly words that can be declaimed. What language poetry is has not been established. I'm not up on it, myself, but I do know that some of it depends on what unpronounceable punctuation marks do. What would you call such poems if not poems? > > And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman and > not Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. Silliman is easy to read. I don't even consider him a language poet. Anyway, your first argument is not too persuasive: do you really believe no excellent poems were written in the many lost languages? Why should a poem have to /continue/ to survive to get a good mark? What about some poem now lost that Shakespeare loved and was inspired/influence by? My final wonder: when is a field allowed to shut its doors to all new-comers with new techniques? To shoot the breeze with you. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/7d5bb632/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 22 15:18:03 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: References: <49C669C5.600 0104@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com><49C67B7F.2000803@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49C69CFB.8090409@nut-n-but.net> Halvard Johnson wrote: > I might also add that if there were an iron-clad definition of poetry > I'd go buy me a blow-torch and burn a hole in it--let in some fresh air. > > Hal Hal, I think that if you reflect a bit (don't use that to talk about mirrors, please), you might reword "iron-clad definition" to "too-specific a definition." Surely you /do/ consider poetry not to be, for instance, a banana (in its natural state), don't you? You also are suggesting (as too woefully many people in poetry do) that a definition of poetry has something to do with the practice of poetry. Definitions of poetry are for those who want to understand what it is, not for those making it. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/20a1a8f5/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 14:29:58 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <49C69CFB.8090409@nut-n-but.net> References: <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> <49C67B7F.2000803@opus40.org> <49C69CFB.8090409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Any old dictionary definition, then, would be enough to get them started. Don't get us started on what poetry is not. Hal "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Halvard Johnson wrote: > > I might also add that if there were an iron-clad definition of poetry > I'd go buy me a blow-torch and burn a hole in it--let in some fresh air. > > Hal > > Hal, I think that if you reflect a bit (don't use that to talk about > mirrors, please), you might reword "iron-clad definition" to "too-specific a > definition." Surely you *do* consider poetry not to be, for instance, a > banana (in its natural state), don't you? > > You also are suggesting (as too woefully many people in poetry do) that a > definition of poetry has something to do with the practice of poetry. > Definitions of poetry are for those who want to understand what it is, not > for those making it. > > --Bob > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/74e347e1/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Mar 22 17:04:10 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <49C69919.20703@nut-n-but.net> References: <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> <49C69919.20703@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830903221504m527080d0i787c9876e1804458@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Michael Snider wrote: > > > > >> >> Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is there * >> nothing* you believe a poem should have that no other text has that gives >> it special value? >> >> --Bob >> >> >> > > Bob, you could probably guess my answer, but here it is ? any special > poem may have have depends on the reactions of readers, and,over time, it is > the continued value of that poem to generations of readers which determines > whether it survives. > > You're not answering the QUES tion, Michael! Take one poem you think has a > quality *that no non-poem has--*that makes it survive. What is it? > For me Bob, the answer is what I said above-- a poem is a set of words (so we can include non-written languages) which plays with the interaction between the natural speech rhythms of a given language and the rhythm(s) produced by some external formal system. What makes a poem valuable is that readers value it. > There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers ? as > small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe poems which are > valuable as the common heritage of all the speakers of a language or even of > all of humanity, such as those of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but the value of the > poem resides in the appreciation of readers. > > There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would say that > for me, and and argue that for most of human history up until the late 19th > /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, whatever else it does (tell a > story, comfort a child, make a joke, argue a philosophical point), plays > with the interaction between ordinary speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some > external formal system. Even free verse uses the line break influence the > voice, even if it's just the voice in the reader's mind. One consequuence of > that,for me, is that I don't consider any text poetry that I can't hear as > human speech. For instance, language poetry (at least as it was written > through the mid-90s) seems to me not poetry but rather noise using shards of > language, because I can't discern any human voice in all that text. > > You're probably wrong about poetry never not being heard or recorded > speech. There were visual poems in ancient Egypt. Who knows what they were > called, though. > Um -- can you point to a visual poem from ancient Egypt? Can you point to any ancient reference to visuak poertry, except in the metaphorical sense we still use when we say, for instance, that some athlete is "poetry in motion"? Heiroglyphs are pictograms of sorts, but they represent speech. Otherwise the Rosetta Stone would have been useless. > Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. > > Ironically, some language poets think of their poems as nothing but sound > made by the human voice. > Exactly -- noise, not speech. Speech is meaningful. > But many poems called language poetry are certainly words that can be > declaimed. What language poetry is has not been established. I'm not up on > it, myself, but I do know that some of it depends on what unpronounceable > punctuation marks do. What would you call such poems if not poems? > Personally, I'd call them junk, unless they happen to be visually beautiful or otherwise interesting. They are not, for me, poems. I accept that could be a personal problem of mine. > And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman and not > Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. > > Silliman is easy to read. I don't even consider him a language poet. > It's easy to read the words. For me it's painfully boring to read more than a page or so, and I know from dreadful experience that a hundred pages later I want to die. Your mileage may vary. > Anyway, your first argument is not too persuasive: do you really believe no > excellent poems were written in the many lost languages? > Sure they were. But we cannot know anything about them, and, being non-extant,they aren't poems for us, any more than are the excellent poems our descendants in the 24th century will write. > Why should a poem have to *continue* to survive to get a good mark? What > about some poem now lost that Shakespeare loved and was inspired/influence > by? > It has to continue to survive for us to know anything about it. Even if Shakepeare had written that such-and-such now lost poem had greatly influenced him and was in his opinion a truly great poem, we'd only have his word for it, and even Shakespeare, like Homer, nods. If many of his contemporaries claimed the same thing, we might be inclined to believe them, but rememeber Longfellow and Whittier were prized above Whitman and Dickinson. Auden said "No work of art is unjustly remembered." We can't know about the forgotten ones. That doesn't mean they were not good or even great poems, just that we don't know whether they were or not. And we know from personal and historical evidence that contemporary judgments are often skewed ? much will be lost, some things through sheer accident, but if it lasts, there is a reason. > My final wonder: when is a field allowed to shut its doors to all > new-comers with new techniques? > If the techniques are sufficiently different, why not call it a new field? Mathematicians do. Artists do, too, or photography would be called painting. > To shoot the breeze with you. > Shooting the breeze with yu is always interedsting, Bob, even when I profoundly disagree. Mike > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/dc9af56c/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 22 18:39:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <6768ac830903221504m527080d0i787c9876e1804458@mail.gmail.com> References: <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com><49C69919.207 03@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830903221504m527080d0i787c9876e1804458@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C6CC1C.9080903@nut-n-but.net> Michael Snider wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Michael Snider wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Also, this one for those who don't believe in check-lists: is >> there /nothing/ you believe a poem should have that no other >> text has that gives it special value? >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> >> Bob, you could probably guess my answer, but here it is ? any >> special poem may have have depends on the reactions of readers, >> and,over time, it is the continued value of that poem to >> generations of readers which determines whether it survives. > You're not answering the QUES tion, Michael! Take one poem you > think has a quality /that no non-poem has--/that makes it > survive. What is it? > > > For me Bob, the answer is what I said above-- a poem is a set of words > (so we can include non-written languages) which plays with the > interaction between the natural speech rhythms of a given language and > the rhythm(s) produced by some external formal system. What makes a > poem valuable is that readers value it. Okay, so I guess you're saying the poetic value of a valuable poem is some excellent interaction between natural speech rhythms and formal artificial rhythmic structure. > > > >> There will be poems which are valuable to small groups of readers >> ? as small as the poet's parents, perhaps ? and there willbe >> poems which are valuable as the common heritage of all the >> speakers of a language or even of all of humanity, such as those >> of Du Fu or Shakespeare, but the value of the poem resides in the >> appreciation of readers. >> >> There is an anterior question ? just what is a poem? And I would >> say that for me, and and argue that for most of human history up >> until the late 19th /early 20th century, a poem is a text which, >> whatever else it does (tell a story, comfort a child, make a >> joke, argue a philosophical point), plays with the interaction >> between ordinary speech rhythm and the rhythm(s) some external >> formal system. Even free verse uses the line break influence the >> voice, even if it's just the voice in the reader's mind. One >> consequuence of that,for me, is that I don't consider any text >> poetry that I can't hear as human speech. For instance, language >> poetry (at least as it was written through the mid-90s) seems to >> me not poetry but rather noise using shards of language, because >> I can't discern any human voice in all that text. > You're probably wrong about poetry never not being heard or > recorded speech. There were visual poems in ancient Egypt. Who > knows what they were called, though. > > > Um -- can you point to a visual poem from ancient Egypt? Can you point > to any ancient reference to visual poertry, except in the metaphorical > sense we still use when we say, for instance, that some athlete is > "poetry in motion"? Heiroglyphs are pictograms of sorts, but they > represent speech. Otherwise the Rosetta Stone would have been useless. > Offhand remark. I'll just say that some visual poetry historians says there were visual poems in Egypt. I tend not to believe it. I think the alphabet is required for there to be visual poetry. But there have certainly been visual poems for a thousand years in the West. Herbert, of course, but before him. See Dick Higgins's /Pattern Poetry/ if you're interested. I don't really care. > >> Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. > Ironically, some language poets think of their poems as nothing > but sound made by the human voice. > > Well, sometimes it's no more noise than rock is to those who don't like it, and classical music to those who don't like it. > > Exactly -- noise, not speech. Speech is meaningful. > I don't think you can assume none of it is meaning because you can't find the meaning. I speak for myself, too, here, having studied language poems and found them opaque--but only so far, since I don't feel I've had time to give the matter serious attention. > > > But many poems called language poetry are certainly words that can > be declaimed. What language poetry is has not been established. > I'm not up on it, myself, but I do know that some of it depends on > what unpronounceable punctuation marks do. What would you call > such poems if not poems? > > > Personally, I'd call them junk, unless they happen to be visually > beautiful or otherwise interesting. They are not, for me, poems. I > accept that could be a personal problem of mine. > > > >> And of course, if 200 years from now people are reading Silliman >> and not Wilbur, by my first argument I will have been wrong. > Silliman is easy to read. I don't even consider him a language poet. > > > It's easy to read the words. For me it's painfully boring to read > more than a page or so, and I know from dreadful experience that a > hundred pages later I want to die. Your mileage may vary. > > > > Anyway, your first argument is not too persuasive: do you really > believe no excellent poems were written in the many lost languages? > > > Sure they were. But we cannot know anything about them, and, being > non-extant,they aren't poems for us, any more than are the excellent > poems our descendants in the 24th century will write. > > > > Why should a poem have to /continue/ to survive to get a good > mark? What about some poem now lost that Shakespeare loved and > was inspired/influence by? > > > > It has to continue to survive for us to know anything about it. Even > if Shakepeare had written that such-and-such now lost poem had greatly > influenced him and was in his opinion a truly great poem, we'd only > have his word for it, and even Shakespeare, like Homer, nods. If many > of his contemporaries claimed the same thing, we might be inclined to > believe them, but rememeber Longfellow and Whittier were prized above > Whitman and Dickinson. > I'm not so sure they weren't better. But don't tell anyone. > Auden said "No work of art is unjustly remembered." We can't know > about the forgotten ones. That doesn't mean they were not good or even > great poems, just that we don't know whether they were or not. And we > know from personal and historical evidence that contemporary judgments > are often skewed ? much will be lost, some things through sheer > accident, but if it lasts, there is a reason. > If Auden meant that to be remembered means to be cherished by SOMEbody, he's right, but stating a truism. Otherwise, I disagree. Lots of things remembered by the tasteless only don't deserve to be remembered. > > > My final wonder: when is a field allowed to shut its doors to all > new-comers with new techniques? > > > If the techniques are sufficiently different, why not call it a new > field? Mathematicians do. Artists do, too, or photography would be > called painting. Seems to me when some new kind of math crops up, it remains math but is given a special name, too--the way visual poetry remains poetry (for me) but is given a special name. Photography is called visual art, same as painting is. And sculpture. A subclass. I haven't time to get (again) into why it makes sense to call visual poetry poetry but it's mainly because it does all the important things that conventional poetry does, and only adds one significant element--unless you believe only formal verse is poetry, as you seem to. In which case we have dozens of different non-poetries. > > To shoot the breeze with you. > > > Shooting the breeze with yu is always interesting, Bob, even when I > profoundly disagree. Thanks. Wish I had more time to really get into it, but . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/ae892870/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 18:01:22 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say Message-ID: <691357.35711.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Slinging a variety of opinions here on this topic (below), most esp because my definition of poetry is fluid.? I suppose that makes me wishy-washy, but it certainly does change, varies daily, esp when I encounter something that strikes me as poetry that I've never encountered before, and therefore could not define before.? Lists are good for guidance and to further one's purposes, whether that be as an editor, educator, or just to turn a friend on, but I'm happy to see that lists change too.? Pardon the metahpor, but poetry is often the arrow tip of language that has a piercing, unexpected and unpredictable effect, no matter what camp you find yourself drawn to historically.? You never know, with certainty, that a "language poem" will not one day flatten you -- you simply cannot prevent it with parameters and steadfastness.? But you do know when you've encountered such a poem (or even the poetic via the visual) and rarely forget, even if your mention of its impact got lost in the fray of history's papers.? Stein's poems, never "popular", did that to me long ago for the first time - struck me as poetry and changed the way I was in the world, though I had read many canonized poems in high school by then... So many poetries, some that last and are anthologized ("greatess"?) and some that aren't so popular but last, via many means and efforts, despite the masses: I don't think one can accurately measure the historical effectiveness of a poem; but one does know, of course, that books influence individuals; and individuals, although they are part of large economic and social processes, influence history. Every mass is after all made up of millions of individuals.~Denise Levertov Poets are soldiers that liberate words from the steadfast possession of definition.? ~Eli Khamarov, The Shadow Zone Language is fossil poetry. ?~Ralph Waldo Emerson Poetry is the journal of the sea animal living on land, wanting to fly in the air. Poetry is a search for syllables to shoot at the barriers of the unknown and the unknowable. Poetry is a phantom script telling how rainbows are made and why they go away. ? ~Carl Sandburg You can tear a poem apart to see what makes it tick . . .. You?re back with the mystery of having been moved by words. The best craftsmanship always leaves holes and gaps . . . so that something that is not in the poem can creep, crawl, flash or thunder in. ? ~Dylan Thomas A poet?s work is to name the unnameable, to point at frauds, to take sides, start arguments, shape the world, and stop it going to sleep.? ~Salman Rushdie The poem... is a little myth of man's capacity of making life meaningful.? And in the end, the poem is not a thing we see - it is, rather, a light by which we may see - and what we see is life.? ~Robert Penn Warren, Saturday Review, 22 March 1958 "Was not writing poetry a secret transaction, a voice answering a voice?" ~Virginia Woolf, Orlando To be a poet is a condition, not a profession.? ~Robert Frost _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090322/3512c4d1/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Mar 22 18:36:07 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Something to say In-Reply-To: <49C6CC1C.9080903@nut-n-but.net> References: <6768ac830903220946t166075bfp81227ee922adde0d@mail.gmail.com> <6768ac830903221504m527080d0i787c9876e1804458@mail.gmail.com> <49C6CC1C.9080903@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830903221636l70977b8fj2a5517d9742f84b2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Okay, so I guess you're saying the poetic value of a valuable poem is > some excellent interaction between natural speech rhythms and formal > artificial rhythmic structure. > > I certainly am not. That interacation is what, fro me and for the vast majority of poepie wo have ever lived and about whom we know something, is what defines poetry. The value of a poem resides not in its possession of such qualities but in the valuations made by communities of readers, and those communities can be very small ? the poet's lover, for example ? or very large indeed, even to the extent encompassing whole cultures. The largert nd more long-lasting such communities are, the more likely it is that the poem is truly excellent. > I'll just say that some visual poetry historians says there were visual > poems in Egypt. I tend not to believe it. I think the alphabet is required > for there to be visual poetry. But there have certainly been visual poems > for a thousand years in the West. Herbert, of course, but before him. See > Dick Higgins's *Pattern Poetry* if you're interested. I don't really > care. > > Herbert certainly visually arranged his poetry. That patterning is included in my intentionally vague "external formal system." They ae also imitations of speech, and meaningful in they way of ordinary speech. > > Maybe it's a personal problem, but I don't like noise. >> >> Ironically, some language poets think of their poems as nothing but sound >> made by the human voice. >> > > Well, sometimes it's no more noise than rock is to those who don't like > it, and classical music to those who don't like it. > > > Exactly -- noise, not speech. Speech is meaningful. > > I don't think you can assume none of it is meaning because you can't > find the meaning. I speak for myself, too, here, having studied language > poems and found them opaque--but only so far, since I don't feel I've had > time to give the matter serious attention. > You needn't bother. > > If many of his contemporaries claimed the same thing, we might be > inclined to believe them, but rememeber Longfellow and Whittier were prized > above Whitman and Dickinson. > > I'm not so sure they weren't be