[New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly

[Anny Ballardini]

He'll have to reign to do it [oh, am I being blasphemous? -again]


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Chris Lott <chris at chrislott.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman<bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris.
> But
> > above is part of my problem.  No definition of terms.  I immediately
> thought
> > of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names.  Part of my gripe had
> to
> > do with  the idea that what to me were  pretty much standard  lyric poets
> > were being  considered concisionists.  Whitman later came up.  Was
> Whitman
> > ever concise?  If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who
> can't
> > be?  Sonnets are short.
>
> If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about
> taxonomy, not me. If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or
> brevity, by all means share it.
>
> David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a
> brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" --
> just that poem.
>
> > Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to
> > strive methodically for concision.  The imagists followed, then Williams.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > I have lots of favorites.  Among them are composers of conventional haiku
> > too numerous to name.
>
> I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to
> name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them.
>
> >I think the school of conventional contemporary
> > American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be.  It's
> in
> > Wishberia.  Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in
> the
> > middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it.
> Seems
> > to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far
> > mentioned.  I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles
> > that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin.  I devote quite a
> few
> > pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku.
>
> Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should.
> Where can I get it?
>
> I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me
> are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts
> to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed
> and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. It's that kind of thing that
> makes people so excited about new poetry.
>
> >
> > If this thread keeps going for a while, I'll find some of his poems to
> > quote.
>
> That'd be kind of you. But only if you don't have to deign to do it.
>
> c
>
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