From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 1 11:32:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:32:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Edgar Lee Masters fest Message-ID: <8CBB0E546CC2529-A4C-56A@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com> http://www.cantondailyledger.com/news/x313665365/20th-Annual-Master-s-Day-set-for-June-6 Final plans are underway for the 20th Annual Edgar Lee Masters Day sponsored by the Lewistown Chamber of Commerce on Sat., June 6. Poet Edgar Lee Masters, author of Spoon River Anthology, published in 1915, grew up in Lewistown in the 1880s and 90s and graduated from Lewistown High School. He practiced law in Chicago with attorney Clarence Darrow, and published over 50 books of poetry, biography, and? history. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 1 17:02:07 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:02:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wallace Stevens Walk dedication event, June 11 Message-ID: <8CBB1135BB80D46-10DC-1E68@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> The Wallace Stevens Walk is complete and a dedication event will happen on Thurs. June 11, 5PM. If you're near Hartford CT, please come out for the event. More info and pix at the Academy of American Poets website, link?here... http://www.poets.org/viewevent.php/prmEventID/7871 Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, rather, each of the revisions plus > the original? > > I told WOMPOs that you had a WEPD checklist for evaluating poetry, and > one of the WOMPOs asked if I had a copy but I cannot find it. > > It was lovely fun and horrible agony while it lasted, that ole WEPD. > > Best, > > Judy Sorry I took so long to reply, Judy--got side-tracked. Anyway, here is the final form. I keep meaning to do an essay on it, but haven't gotten to it. Dunno how much I go along with it, but I still think it as valid as any like list I'm familiar with. Note: "For a Consensus of Informed Opinion" can be substituted for what's in the second set of parentheses, and the first text in parentheses deleted. *A Poem Is Excellent (F/or an Engagent of It/)/ /Regardless of How Long Halfwits Have Praised or Dismissed It If (For That Engagent) It: * (1) results in an experience of something importantly beautiful; (2) is clear, but not easily clear, nor ever finally fully clear: (3) has a Unifying Principal, or some meaning or image or the like which pulls its elements reasonably close together; (4) contains few or no superfluous words or other matter; (5) boasts some constituent of substance that few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery; (6) avoids excessive use of predictable language, imagery, sentiment, ideation, technique and structural methodology. --Bob Grumman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 1 21:43:40 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:43:40 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] word & art at turtle point Message-ID: <8CBB13AB0A4F2C5-5CC-1BAA@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> http://www.turtlepointpress.com/gallery.html Turtle Point Press, one of America?s finest and smallest independent literary presses, is pleased to announce that beginning in 2009 it will organize and host exhibitions of artworks related to the book and the written word in its offices in the Woolworth Building in lower Manhattan. The gallery at Turtle Point Press will be open Wednesday through Friday, noon to 6pm, and by appointment and will exhibit paintings, collages, illustrations, and installations in its office, the tiniest office in the landmark building on lower Broadway. - Opening May 29, Elaine Equi. Elaine Equi (b 1953) is a well-known poet whose latest book, Ripple Effect: New and Selected Poems, was a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Award and on the short list for Canada?s Griffin Poetry Prize. Widely published and anthologized, her work has appeared in The New Yorker, The Nation, Poetry, The Paris Review, and several editions of The Best American Poetry. In this, her first photography show, she will exhibit two visual poems. One, ?A Guide to the Cinema Tarot,? is an oracle comprised entirely of film stills from 50?s and 60?s movies. The other, ?Votive Candy,? is a series of photos and captions devoted to the idea that candy is truly holy. - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 01:21:00 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman, do you have . . . In-Reply-To: <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com> <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Bob. I sent it off to WOMPOlist with the disclaimer that anything in it containing the word "math" should be struck from readers' brains. But they prolly thought I was joking. It's a nice WEPD, Bob; concise and I wouldnae add anything to it. We should use it again so that we NPers can get into huge fights and decide to go out for ale or Diet Coke. I wonder where Barry Spaks is or if I'm spelling his name right. Very late here and due to be in the 90s tomorrow yargh! Judy 2009/6/1 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > > a copy of your WEPD checklist? Or, rather, each of the revisions plus the > original? > I told WOMPOs that you had a WEPD checklist for evaluating poetry, and > one of the WOMPOs asked if I had a copy but I cannot find it. > > It was lovely fun and horrible agony while it lasted, that ole WEPD. > > Best, > > Judy > > Sorry I took so long to reply, Judy--got side-tracked. Anyway, here is the > final form. I keep meaning to do an essay on it, but haven't gotten to it. > Dunno how much I go along with it, but I still think it as valid as any like > list I'm familiar with. Note: "For a Consensus of Informed Opinion" can be > substituted for what's in the second set of parentheses, and the first text > in parentheses deleted. > > *A Poem Is Excellent (For an Engagent of It) Regardless of How Long > Halfwits Have Praised or Dismissed It If (For That Engagent) It: > * > (1) results in an experience of something importantly beautiful; > > (2) is clear, but not easily clear, nor ever finally fully clear: > > (3) has a Unifying Principal, or some meaning or image or the like which > pulls its elements reasonably close together; > > (4) contains few or no superfluous words or other matter; > > (5) boasts some constituent of substance that few or no other poems have > such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, > visual > art), and imagery; > > (6) avoids excessive use of predictable language, imagery, sentiment, > ideation, > technique and structural methodology. > > --Bob Grumman > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com><4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> You're welcome, Judy. Pass on any comments. Oh, and Barry's last name is spelled "Spax." It used to be spelled "Spacks," but I ordained the new spelling. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 2 10:09:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] CD Wright up for Griffin again Message-ID: <8CBB1A2D7E088B2-86C-14FD@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> http://www.projo.com/lifebeat/content/lb-poetaward_06-02-09_51EIM2H_v13.2d67590.html For the second time in six years, Wright is a finalist for the Griffin Poetry Prize. This is Canada?s biggest poetry competition, and one of the biggest in the world. The two winners ? one in the Canadian division and one in the international division ? will each receive $45,000. To be a contender, you had to have published a book of poetry the previous year. Now, from a field of 485 books, the judges have reduced the field to seven: three Canadian poets, and four international poets. -- The other finalists in the international division of the Griffin Poetry Prize are: Derek Mahon of Ireland; Dean Young of California and Iowa; and the late Mick Imlah of Great Britain who died in January of ALS at 52. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 10:20:17 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman, do you have . . . In-Reply-To: <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com> <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906020720g411a9bcm79173cf58bf4eac1@mail.gmail.com> Didn't know you'd been ordained, Bob. I had thought it was S-pac. Ah well, he never reads us anymore, what does he care about the little people now that he's networking with Real Poets like the banana poem guy. Resignedly, Awesome Judy 2009/6/2 Bob Grumman > You're welcome, Judy. Pass on any comments. Oh, and Barry's last name is > spelled "Spax." It used to be spelled "Spacks," but I ordained the new > spelling. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Tue Jun 2 16:19:25 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:19:25 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Wot's ina Naem In-Reply-To: <200906021600.n52G0Ya2003160@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200906021600.n52G0Ya2003160@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Our Bob wrote: > Oh, and Barry's last name > is spelled "Spax." It used to be spelled "Spacks," but I ordained the > new spelling. > > --Bob Done deal. Around here they call me "the Spactor-Tractor" since I season my editing life with a touch of Beckett's "Pare it down, pare it down!" So SPAX it shall be, okay (maybe get radical, all the way to SPX). But, Lor', this gives me a chance to see Our Bob's ploy and raise him one, his name now forever to be spelt, obiter dictu, BOB GRUM'BLIN' Oh, and Judy, you are SUCH a tease! tersely, pax, SPX From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 2 18:55:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:55:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ideas for the day: from Bemsha Swing blog Message-ID: <8CBB1EC54FA0B65-176C-20A8@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> Ideas for the day: What if the "modernist turn" in recent poetry is a conservative one, a repression of the radical spirit of the avant-garde half of "postmodernism"? What then? Huh? Huh? What then? - A critic I admire a great deal, Juli?n Jim?nez Heffernan, who has translated a couple of Ashbery books into Spanish, says that there are two histories of poetry, the external and the internal. The internal is just the history of a (Bloomian?) strong poetry. That allows him to just ignore conventional literary history. I find this a useful move. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 2 18:58:13 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:58:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ideas for the day: from Bemsha Swing blog In-Reply-To: <8CBB1EC54FA0B65-176C-20A8@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB1EC54FA0B65-176C-20A8@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB1ECBE29E9E4-26C-1063@WEBMAIL-DY13.sysops.aol.com> Omitted blog link here... http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 6:55 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Ideas for the day: from Bemsha Swing blog Ideas for the day: What if the "modernist turn" in recent poetry is a conservative one, a repression of the radical spirit of the avant-garde half of "postmodernism"? What then? Huh? Huh? What then? - A critic I admire a great deal, Juli?n Jim?nez Heffernan, who has translated a couple of Ashbery books into Spanish, says that there are two histories of poetry, the external and the internal. The internal is just the history of a (Bloomian?) strong poetry. That allows him to just ignore conventional literary history. I find this a useful move. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.kelly at nyu.edu Wed Jun 3 00:17:46 2009 From: chris.kelly at nyu.edu (Christopher Kelly) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:17:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] CD Wright up for Griffin again In-Reply-To: <8CBB1A2D7E088B2-86C-14FD@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB1A2D7E088B2-86C-14FD@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wonderful news. It'd be great, too, if Derek receives a prize. He's a wonderful poet. ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:10 am Subject: [New-Poetry] CD Wright up for Griffin again To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://www.projo.com/lifebeat/content/lb-poetaward_06-02-09_51EIM2H_v13.2d67590.html > > > For the second time in six years, Wright is a finalist for the Griffin > Poetry Prize. This is Canada?s biggest poetry competition, and one of > the biggest in the world. The two winners ? one in the Canadian > division and one in the international division ? will each receive > $45,000. To be a contender, you had to have published a book of poetry > the previous year. Now, from a field of 485 books, the judges have > reduced the field to seven: three Canadian poets, and four > international poets. > > -- > > > The other finalists in the international division of the Griffin > Poetry Prize are: Derek Mahon of Ireland; Dean Young of California and > Iowa; and the late Mick Imlah of Great Britain who died in January of > ALS at 52. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 13:56:46 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:56:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ad Hominem Sonnet Message-ID: Ad Hominem Sonnet To a man, to a woman, they all rose up to attack 'im. Recognizing the logic of his pos- ition could not be assail'd, they thin- k that the facts stand with in- stead of agin 'em. Don' confuse us when we're dissin'. Jus' settle back 'n' lissen. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 3 15:07:10 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:07:10 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Message-ID: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 15:17:08 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:17:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... Best, Judy 2009/6/3 > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ > ------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 15:29:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:29:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Morning Masquerade Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906031229i68a84a8o3d58e03613bfee26@mail.gmail.com> on Peter Ganick's site: http://pganickz.livejournal.com/ thanks for visiting, -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 16:39:33 2009 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 Message-ID: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning. His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more: http://bromige.wordpress.com/ Ron Silliman From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 3 17:54:09 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs Message-ID: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html C. Dale Young/Avoiding the Muse, I notice, is hogging two spots, 33 & 34. I see Mike Snider & Amy King are listed, and of course Ron Silliman made the list. On another note, Chris Lott is blogging again. On the site Ruminate (new to me)... http://chrislott.org/ and simultaneously on his old "Cosmopoetica"... http://cosmopoetica.com/blog/ Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jun 3 18:02:14 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:02:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs In-Reply-To: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A26F2E6.6010801@opus40.org> And Edward Byrne. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html > > C. Dale Young/Avoiding the Muse, I notice, is hogging two spots, 33 & 34. > > I see Mike Snider & Amy King are listed, and of course Ron Silliman > made the list. > > On another note, Chris Lott is blogging again. On the site Ruminate > (new to me)... > http://chrislott.org/ > and simultaneously on his old "Cosmopoetica"... > http://cosmopoetica.com/blog/ > > Finnegan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 3 20:31:45 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:31:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs In-Reply-To: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A2715F1.7060003@nut-n-but.net> A near-perfect establishment view of the Contemporary American Poetry Scene: my guess is that around 90 of the blogs are Wilshberian; Silliman's in to represent Language Poetry, but not even Geof Huth is allowed to represent Visual Poetry. Nice that some New-Poetry people's blogs got mentioned (deservedly). Hey, I remember corresponding with the Cosmopoetica guy--never knew it was Chris. I was always confused by the name because very similar to Dan Schneider's blog (which, incidentally, I consider mostly moronic but certainly deserving to be on the top 100 list because it gets lots of visits, and because it has to be admitted it expresses a point of view you won't find anywhere else). --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 3 20:35:16 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:35:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 In-Reply-To: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> Ron Silliman wrote: > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning. > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more: > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > Ron Silliman > __________________ Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 3 21:38:59 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:38:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 In-Reply-To: <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> References: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CBB2CC5DCE13DD-177C-1D85@WEBMAIL-DZ24.sysops.aol.com> I remember David Bromige in conversation on the Poetics list, back when I was engaged there, briefly in late 90s. And I remember the first time I heard his name: Alan Golding, who is on this list and occasionally posts, mentioned him to me, about 1990 or so,. Alan?said Bromige was visiting Louisville for a reading (if I recall correctly). I didn't know as many poets as I?now know, so I'm sure my face went a little blank at the time. Finnegan First poems that came up googling. (Is anyone binging yet?)... http://jacketmagazine.com/22/brom-poems.html -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 Ron Silliman wrote:? > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning.? >? > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more:? >? > http://bromige.wordpress.com/? >? > Ron Silliman? > __________________? Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed.? --Bob? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? 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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:38 AM, wrote: > I remember David Bromige in conversation on the Poetics list, back when I > was engaged there, briefly in late 90s. > And I remember the first time I heard his name: Alan Golding, who is on > this list and occasionally posts, mentioned > him to me, about 1990 or so,. Alan said Bromige was visiting Louisville for > a reading (if I recall correctly). I didn't know > as many poets as I now know, so I'm sure my face went a little blank at the > time. > Finnegan > > First poems that came up googling. (Is anyone binging yet?)... > > http://jacketmagazine.com/22/brom-poems.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 8:35 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 > > Ron Silliman wrote: > > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things > besides), passed away this morning. > > > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories > and learn more: > > > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > > > Ron Silliman > > __________________ > Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I > didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to > see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed. > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Silliman" To: ; "New Po" ; "UK Poetry" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 > > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things > besides), passed away this morning. > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories > and learn more: > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > Ron Silliman > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 4 12:42:55 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:42:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 12:50:55 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:50:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > Judy > > I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most > poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, > nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff > writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, > unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as > someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. 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I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 13:30:45 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:30:45 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from you. 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of > Donald Hall's penis > > best > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem > is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your > poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of > the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in > that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own > poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his > braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! > All the best, you clivver divvel, > > joodles > > 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > >> Judy >> >> I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most >> poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. >> >> >> David Bircumshaw >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Judy Prince >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >> >> Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, >> nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff >> writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, >> unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as >> someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... >> >> Best, >> >> Judy >> >> 2009/6/3 >> >>> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's just one more subject to be mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 14:13:43 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:13:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041113m247bb5a2vc33cbd4faf4494f0@mail.gmail.com> thanks, Catherine. I've duly read her bio and her three poems, the last which effectively blew away the steel bustier often used by sexually-exploited and -exploiting females. lower and lower middle-classness in the USA scrapes so deep. would i have seen a play, if not for my horrid but determined 10th grade english teacher? would i have written a poem if my older sister hadn't shown me hers? would i have gone to uni if my best and rich friend hadn't said she was going and i should too? there's a hongry-ness that some poets exhibit, such as Jennifer Blowdryer----and David Bircumshaw himself----that simply is not present in the anointed hierarchies. yet i know that those hierarchies contain underclassers and low-middleclassers. hongry-ness can't be faked, or at least i don't think it can be faked. but higher-classness is faked, for so many understandable reasons, every day. best, judy 2009/6/4 Catherine Daly > Jennifer Blowdryer is a Columbia MFA from the late 80s. She ran "Wheel of > Poets" in NY with two others. > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin at mikesnider.org Thu Jun 4 14:50:18 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:50:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] June 4, 1989 Message-ID: <6768ac830906041150j42736a48rf5390e38ac5cc022@mail.gmail.com> I wrote this 20 years ago tomorrow. June 4, 1989 Students came to Tiananmen Square To mourn the death of Hu Yaobang, And call the old men to repair The State they?d led to wrong. Workers joined the student throng And made the Square the people?s place ? Thousands and tens of thousands strong, They gave Liberty a Chinese face. >From the Great Hall of the People glared Faces from the revolution, hung There to silence those who dared To charge the State with wrong. But now the torch of freedom shone >From the statue of a woman raised Before them ? the people?s challenge flung, Giving Liberty a Chinese face. Deng Xiaoping and Li Peng stared As one man, unarmed and alone, Despite the armored terror Of the State?s insane wrong, Stopped a column of tanks along The Avenue of Eternal Peace. He simply stood his ground, And gave Liberty a Chinese face. Remember the thousands dead and mourn. Remember the State?s deadly wrong. Martyr?s blood is never erased ? They gave Liberty a Chinese face. 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URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 4 15:35:37 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:35:37 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com><518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34D1CD22D9DF406CA192E2384E64071F@SN037832120162> Judy, I shall frame that post and hang it on a wall. (grinning almost to a gurn) David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from you. 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of Donald Hall's penis best David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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I can't tell from Judy's last post what her current evaluation was, but Judy's posts nonetheless were more interesting than Blowdryer's poems. c On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Surely Hall has not written more than one poem about the size of his penis? > ?If he has not, what's the big deal? ?It's just one more subject to be > mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 19:08:04 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:08:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <34D1CD22D9DF406CA192E2384E64071F@SN037832120162> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <34D1CD22D9DF406CA192E2384E64071F@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041608u1c95c404hc756577a6fb264c5@mail.gmail.com> Rule Brittania! [a chewn which I recently loudly requested in a USAmerican pub, of the Irish singer and his awesomely talented Irish fiddler; singer's comment: "That song's not in my reportoire"] joodles laffing gurnly, too 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > Judy, I shall frame that post and hang it on a wall. > > (grinning almost to a gurn) > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from > you. > > > 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > >> I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of >> Donald Hall's penis >> >> best >> >> >> David Bircumshaw >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Judy Prince >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >> >> David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem >> is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your >> poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of >> the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in >> that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own >> poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his >> braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! >> All the best, you clivver divvel, >> >> joodles >> >> 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw >> >>> Judy >>> >>> I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most >>> poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. >>> >>> >>> David Bircumshaw >>> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Judy Prince >>> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >>> >>> Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, >>> nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff >>> writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, >>> unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as >>> someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> 2009/6/3 >>> >>>> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My > assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > I can't tell from Judy's last post what her current evaluation was, > but Judy's posts nonetheless were more interesting than Blowdryer's > poems. > > c > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Surely Hall has not written more than one poem about the size of his > penis? > > If he has not, what's the big deal? It's just one more subject to be > > mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Who cares? --Bob From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 21:23:24 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:23:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A281D27.7000107@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Hi, Chris. Do you mind my asking: in this issue (guest edited) or at Shampoo in general? Note: I do have poems and photographs at Shampoo (which is edited by Del Ray Cross). I inherited the reading series at Columbia from Jennifer and her compatriots. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My >> assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first > prose piece was about. ?The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. > ?She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and > diction but what's the point? ?Who cares? > > --Bob Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized genre. As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne Koestenbaum's contribution here: http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for Shampoo. From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 4 22:26:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com><4A287927.6040400@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB39C2FAA8343-FA4-DDD@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> In fact, Blowdryer (or her editor) called them 'Two pieces'.?The first of the?two pieces had two virtues: It was short and?approximately the last third to a half?of it was?a?quote from someone else. The second piece,?very early on,?had this line which perhaps serves as a gloss: "And then you?ll understand why I don?t usually explain what I mean. It takes too fricking long." Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Snider Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 9:23 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Chris Lott wrote: > > The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My > assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first prose piece was about. ?The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. ?She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and diction but what's the point? ?Who cares? --Bob Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her ork poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized enre. As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne oestenbaum's contribution here: ttp://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( t tp://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for he most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for hampoo. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 22:49:15 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:49:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A287927.6040400@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041949j3dc1ac66pa3ce61e879863a21@mail.gmail.com> Pore Bob. Either response he's likely to give will not work. Moving right along, and aiming my remarks to Michael, Chris, and Catherine: I, too, saw some fine places and unity in Brian Teare's poem. Wayne Koestenbaum's poems're difficult to unveil what with his gramma/father/self gender confusion and his not having a penis. I did find Jennifer Hairdryer's last of the 3 poems [as distinct from her first 2] fascinatingly successful for what most contemporary poems are believed to need to demonstrate. Some of you may guess that I feel that "chopped line prose", which is what most contemporary poems are, is at the foot of my hesitation in more enthusiastically rating her poem. "Chopped line prose", to me, does not mean arbitrary line endings, though that's the superficial look of it. Rather, "chopped line prose" demonstrates the poet's inability to make, or the nonrecognition of, rhythms. And without rhythm, there's no poetry. Best, Judy 2009/6/4 Michael Snider > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Chris Lott wrote: > >> > >> The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My > >> assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > > > Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first > > prose piece was about. The second I tired of after six or seven > paragraphs. > > She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology > and > > diction but what's the point? Who cares? > > > > --Bob > > Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her > work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized > genre. > > As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. > > But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne > Koestenbaum's contribution here: > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html > > > I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for > the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for > Shampoo. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. >> She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and >> diction but what's the point? Who cares? >> >> --Bob >> > > Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her > work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized > genre. > I simply have ordained that there is a difference between poetry and prose. It makes no sense to recognize this kind of "prose poetry" as poetry because that makes the term "poetry" meaningless. Or the term "prose." I have an even bigger problem with all my good friends in visual poetry who count as visual poems designs with letters but no words in them--and sometimes even designs that suggest to them some kind of "textual gesture." It's insane. Poetry has to have aesthetically meaningful words. When I tell them that, they act as though I am asking for the abolition of textual designs, some of which I extremely like. It's hard having a rational mind in the world of poets. --Bob > As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. > > But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne > Koestenbaum's contribution here: > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html > > > I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for > the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for > Shampoo. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information about what to write or how to submit, click this link: www.tikkun.org/under25contest I have also pasted more info about the contest below. Thanks so much for your help! Alana Price Assistant Editor ------------------------------ *CALLING ON YOUTH: WHAT'S YOUR VISION? SUBMIT TO TIKKUN'S STUDENT WRITING CONTEST!* The deadline is approaching! Submit your writing by June 15 for the chance to be published in *Tikkun*! Do you think regularly about the intersection of politics and spirituality? Are you an aspiring writer? If so, please share your voice and your vision. We are looking for smart, crisp writing that combines storytelling with analytical sophistication. The article should be between 700 and 1000 words on a topic such as politics, spirituality, activism, social change, or interpersonal growth and well-being. Top five entries will be published in *Tikkun*'s September/October 2009 issue. Top twenty contestants get a free subscription to the magazine. 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Message-ID: <1AD01306-B2A7-4AF6-B89A-F07BFCDE1F7E@ripon.edu> Like it or not, Mr. Smith?s concept has become a global phenomenon, especially among young people, who, helped by exposure to hip-hop, seem more comfortable with the idea that poetry belongs both ?on the stage and on the page.? Slam poetry has been incorporated into school curriculums across the country; more than 80 cities now compete in the annual national championship; and similar contests are springing up in the most unlikely places, most recently on R?union Island in the Indian Ocean. ?I think that perhaps Marc sees this as snowballing out of control,? said Susan B. A. Somers-Willett, author of ?The Cultural Politics of Slam Poetry? and a slam poet herself. ?This is something that started in Chicago as a group of oddballs who wanted to do some pretty avant- garde things, but over the years, as it entered the commercial sphere, it has gotten more and more homogenous and started catering to a demographic mainstream.? Full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/books/03slam.html?_r=1 ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:24:58 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:24:58 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Schumann Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906051024w2e132e00i25277f4adc188ae9@mail.gmail.com> Researchers have discovered the manuscript of a hitherto unknown piano piece by German composer Robert Schumann. Experts speak of ?a sensational discovery?. http://www.pianostreet.com/blog/piano-news/new-schumann-piano-piece-discovered-1022/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:48:21 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:48:21 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] President Obama Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906051048g49ab1789jd8a4ea1643744333@mail.gmail.com> ?To this day there are those who insist that the Holocaust never happened, a denial of fact and truth that is baseless and ignorant and hateful,? President Obama on The New York Times: At Nazi Camp, Obama Calls Holocaust Denial 'Hateful' http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/europe/06prexy.html?_r=1&hp Also, Obama's speech to the Muslims in Cairo: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/world/middleeast/05prexy.html?scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(And, sorry, Anny, but what does Obama's remark have to do with poetry?) --Bad Bob From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:00:53 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:00:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] President Obama In-Reply-To: <4A29795A.8010600@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70906051048g49ab1789jd8a4ea1643744333@mail.gmail.com> <4A29795A.8010600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Hey, Bad Bob-- Anything has to do with everything. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org 2009/6/5 Bob Grumman > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> ?To this day there are those who insist that the Holocaust never happened, >> a denial of fact and truth that is baseless and ignorant and hateful,? >> President Obama on The New York Times: >> > It is idiotically irrational but since when is a denial of something one > believes hateful? (And, sorry, Anny, but what does Obama's remark have to > do with poetry?) > > --Bad Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unexpected, lively Poetics! discussion in another group I moderate: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/150874-please-vote-for-june-s-goodreads-poem-six-finalists ? ? 2)? NEW -- Women?s Work: The Poetic Justice Forum http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/06/womens-work-the-poetic-justice-forum/ ? 3)? Ahadada Books Presents on Saturday, June 13, 2009 @ 6:30pm ?? ??? * Michael Heller ??? * Amy King ??? * Robert Thompson ??? * Donald Wellman ? ZINC BAR 82 West 3rd Street (btwn Thompson & Sullivan) Greenwich Village New York NY 10012 http://www.ahadadabooks.com/content/view/167/1/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not Shampoo in general. c On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > Hi, Chris. ?Do you mind my asking: ?in this issue (guest edited) or at > Shampoo in general? > Note: ?I do have poems and photographs at Shampoo (which is edited by Del > Ray Cross). ?I inherited the reading series at Columbia from Jennifer and > her compatriots. > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 13:27:25 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Unexpected, lively Poetics discussion... Message-ID: <540953.57507.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Glad to hear it, and I'll certainly do that, Finnegan!? Be well, Amy --- On Fri, 6/5/09, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Amy, I notice you're reading with Michael Heller. When Salt Publishing recently put out a?desperate call for orders, one of the books I ordered?was Heller's collection of essays "Uncertain Poetries." The?handful of essays?I've read so far have been great. Very lucid and perceptive writing about poetry. Please relay to him my?admiration, if you get a chance. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jun 6 21:41:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:41:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But?I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times,?do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about?what?Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list=0 Dew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 03:55:29 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:55:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. > But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. > It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in > this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, > or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other > than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, > and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed > against those magic momuments. > > Posted this to my blog > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > thinking about what Myles had to say... > > It was not important that [the poems] survive. > What mattered was that they should bear > Some lineament or character, > > Some affluence, if only half-perceived, > In the poverty of their words, > Of the planet of which they were part. > > > ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? > > -- > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] hate > > I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : > I hate poetry @ Harriet's > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ > > > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Sun Jun 7 04:29:23 2009 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 01:29:23 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bloger of the month interview Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> http://bookaholicblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/shut-up-and-write-sigauke-bbm.html ________________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini [anny.ballardini at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 12:55 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, > wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about what Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 13:50:41 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] It's hard all around -- Help the PoPo! Message-ID: <532277.63928.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> And by "PoPo"? I don't mean "police."? I mean a historical institution long-nestled in the East Village of New York City, a place that has nurtured and promoted many, many visiting and residential poets and continues strong each week to offer space and support for workshops, readings, a gabbing spot for the poetically-inclined, etc... Admittedly, I've been lax in my own support.? My membership expired many moons ago, and since there was no urgency, I put renewal low on my To Do list.? Still, recessions are especially hard on non-profits, thanks to cuts in gov't funding as well as the shrinking wallets of artists... But as the weather warms and my health & desire to socialize returns, it dawned on me recently that fifty bucks gets me a hell of lot at the Poetry Project and helps the community of poets I frequent and belong to.? I finally realized, What the hell?? If my fifty bucks can put a dent in the rent bill of the Poetry Project, then why am I being so lazy about going online to do my small part?? Anyway, this isn't really about how bad I am but just a note pointing out a need and asking you to help a very necessary spot along through some tough financial times--and to offer a few details from the Poetry Project website: http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Individual Membership {$50} Discounted admission for a year to all regularly scheduled and special Poetry Project events ? potentially a $300 value.A year?s subscription to The Poetry Project Newsletter ? a $25 value.Substantial savings on workshops offered at the Project by renowned writers. Project Mission Through its live programming, workshops, publications, website and special events, The Poetry Project promotes, fosters and inspires the reading and writing of contemporary poetry by (a) presenting contemporary poetry to diverse audiences, (b) increasing public recognition, awareness and appreciation of poetry and other arts, (c) providing a community setting in which poets and artists can exchange ideas and information, and (d) encouraging the participation and development of new poets from a broad range of styles. The Poetry Project offers:Weekly readings, including a Wednesday Night Reading series, a Monday Night Reading/Performance Series, and a Friday Late-Night Reading seriesFour weekly writing workshopsThe Recluse, an annual literary magazineA quarterly NewsletterMembership in the Poetry ProjectTape and document archivesSpecial events, such as the Annual New Year?s Day Marathon Reading Plus, they've got a blog!? http://poetryproject.org/project-blog http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Enjoy, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jun 7 17:39:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:39:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Draft of a Schoolwide Blog Entry In-Reply-To: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> References: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> I've bnen working on a blog entry for the Schoolwide Website. I'm dissatisfied with what I've so far said, mostly with the expression rather than the content, although I'm not sure the content is all that great--especially as something intended to appeal to K-12 teachers. Any feedback would thus be especially appreciated. *The Layers of a Poem* balloon! Hold on to your (formatting probably off) I often have dumb thoughts. I treasure them, because sometimes they ignite Brilliant Thinking. (Or, more likely, put me in the manic part of my insanity.) This happened recently when I was thinking about the poem above by Adam Gamble, intending to write another commentary on it. My dumb thought was that the poem's characters, the balloon (escaped or lost), the child who lets go of it, and the parent (or other grown-up) who makes the futile warning, comprised a layer of the poem--its meaning. It was on top of the layer consisting of the words on the page, or, to be more detailed, how the words look to the eye, because this is a visual poem, and how they sound and are felt when pronounced. What the eye, ear and mouth making them (and the mouth should be involved even in silently reading a poem; poems are not for the Evelyn Wood variety of reading). In other words, a poem is something perceived by the senses plus what the brain makes of it. Two layers. A dumb thought because everybody knows that about anything piece of readable printed matter. The Brilliant Thinking resulted when it occurred to me that the second layer, what the poem meant in the brain, should be two layers, one concerned with what the poem directly means--in this case, a child holding a balloon, while warned to hold on tight, and the balloon escaping, and one concerned with the emotional meaning of that meaning, empathy for the parental concern for the child, and for the child with a wonderful bright- hued balloon--and for the balloon, leaping free, or tumbling fearfully away. The fact that the balloon was either gaining freedom or losing the security of a home suggested my scheme was not yet cojmplete: the poem had a fourth (and, I now believe, final) layer, its symbolic layer. For the little scene the poem depicts, taken from the balloon's viewpoint (and in poems a balloon can have a viewpoint!), can symbolize either the joy of freedom or the despair of loss of security. From the child's viewpoint, it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! So, a poem has the layer of what's there; the layer of what that directly means; the layer of how it makes one experiencing it feel; and the layer of what grander, generalized meaning it can symbolize, without forcing things. My tentative names for these are concrete, literal, emotive, and archetypal layer, incidentally. Apprehending a poem as four layers is pretty abstract, and far from the unified experience of a poem any normal person would have (or should have initially), but I believe presenting it as one way to connect to a poem (after the natural way) might prove useful as a teaching tool. A teacher should try every way the teacher knows to capture students for poetry. Its main value, however, would be to provide a clearer, more detailed idea of what poems are, and what they do. Where they may not be fully successful, too, many poems not having much of an emotional layer, or too vague a literal layer, or little or no archetypal layer. Or a student having trouble with a poem might be more easily help to enjoy it if a particular layer that's not working for the student is identified. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 17:20:47 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:20:47 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Draft of a Schoolwide Blog Entry In-Reply-To: <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> References: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906071420v2e551e9ew5f0058a9bed42ea2@mail.gmail.com> I would avoid the use of 'dumb.' I particularly enjoyed your twist here: it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! the reading here is lovely, and the exclamation mark that follows 'balloon' marks as a matter of fact a wonderful detachment. The formatting got lost, but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. The same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's conveys a certain lightness and joyfulness. Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" *Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. * On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've bnen working on a blog entry for the Schoolwide Website. I'm > dissatisfied with what I've so far said, mostly with the expression rather > than the content, although I'm not sure the content is all that > great--especially as something intended to appeal to K-12 teachers. Any > feedback would thus be especially appreciated. > > *The Layers of a Poem* > > > balloon! > > > > > > Hold on to your > > (formatting probably off) > > I often have dumb thoughts. I treasure them, because sometimes they ignite > Brilliant Thinking. (Or, more likely, put me in the manic part of my > insanity.) This happened recently when I was thinking about the poem above > by Adam Gamble, intending to write another commentary on it. My dumb > thought was that the poem's characters, the balloon (escaped or lost), the > child who lets go of it, and the parent (or other grown-up) who makes the > futile warning, comprised a layer of the poem--its meaning. It was on top > of the layer consisting of the words on the page, or, to be more detailed, > how the words look to the eye, because this is a visual poem, and how they > sound and are felt when pronounced. What the eye, ear and mouth making them > (and the mouth should be involved even in silently reading a poem; poems are > not for the Evelyn Wood variety of reading). In other words, a poem is > something perceived by the senses plus what the brain makes of it. Two > layers. > > A dumb thought because everybody knows that about anything piece of > readable printed matter. The Brilliant Thinking resulted when it occurred > to me that the second layer, what the poem meant in the brain, should be two > layers, one concerned with what the poem directly means--in this case, a > child holding a balloon, while warned to hold on tight, and the balloon > escaping, and one concerned with the emotional meaning of that meaning, > empathy for the parental concern for the child, and for the child with a > wonderful bright- > hued balloon--and for the balloon, leaping free, or tumbling fearfully > away. > > The fact that the balloon was either gaining freedom or losing the security > of a home suggested my scheme was not yet cojmplete: the poem had a fourth > (and, I now believe, final) layer, its symbolic layer. For the little > scene the poem depicts, taken from the balloon's viewpoint (and in poems a > balloon can have a viewpoint!), can symbolize either the joy of freedom or > the despair of loss of security. From the child's viewpoint, it can > symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting > go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! > > So, a poem has the layer of what's there; the layer of what that directly > means; the layer of how it makes one experiencing it feel; and the layer of > what grander, generalized meaning it can symbolize, without forcing things. > My tentative names for these are concrete, literal, emotive, and archetypal > layer, incidentally. > > Apprehending a poem as four layers is pretty abstract, and far from the > unified experience of a poem any normal person would have (or should have > initially), but I believe presenting it as one way to connect to a poem > (after the natural way) might prove useful as a teaching tool. A teacher > should try every way the teacher knows to capture students for poetry. Its > main value, however, would be to provide a clearer, more detailed idea of > what poems are, and what they do. Where they may not be fully successful, > too, many poems not having much of an emotional layer, or too vague a > literal layer, or little or no archetypal layer. Or a student having > trouble with a poem might be more easily help to > enjoy it if a particular layer that's not working for the student is > identified. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > formatting got lost, Actually, it came out close to right. > but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. > The same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's > conveys a certain lightness and joyfulness. > Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" > > /Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) > brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. > / Thanks, Anny. But do you think the idea of the layers as I describe them works? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Below are 100 blogs and sites for every poet, from a seasoned professional to a child reading their first poem. http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html? -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs And Edward Byrne.? ? jforjames at aol.com wrote:? > http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html? >? > C. Dale Young/Avoiding the Muse, I notice, is hogging two spots, 33 & 34.? >? > I see Mike Snider & Amy King are listed, and of course Ron Silliman > made the list.? >? > On another note, Chris Lott is blogging again. On the site Ruminate > (new to me)...? > http://chrislott.org/? > and simultaneously on his old "Cosmopoetica"...? > http://cosmopoetica.com/blog/? >? > Finnegan? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jun 7 20:00:25 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:00:25 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the?kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... ? Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. ? The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. ? The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. ? Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. ? Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. ? The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. ? Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. ? The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other?is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. ? Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended elbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. ? The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. ? Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with20that regular cadence of rise?& fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. ? Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. ? The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. ? Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save their sorry offerings. Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). ? Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. S ocialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. ? Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But?I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times,?do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about?what?Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Being ignored by and large by the minute culture of poetry people. You seem to have gotten most of the others, Jim. Another you missed is those who think poetry is not beautiful writing but politically strong writing. I'd better stop. More are occurring to me. Just one: all the poets contemptuous of attempts to understand poetry, their hatred of critics, their belief that intuition is all. Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is everything. And those who think it of little or no value. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, since I'm an optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my offering based upon your delightful list: POETS UNITED 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of snarking family and friends. 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us enough for that disclosure in a published source. 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed body parts] 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry Superfund. 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic possibilities]. 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY. 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her hat around. 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] Best, Judy 2009/6/7 > The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan > opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the > idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised > the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that > spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the > Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. > But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the > free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other > people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with > Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > >> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. >> But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. >> It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in >> this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, >> or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other >> than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, >> and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed >> against those magic momuments. >> >> Posted this to my blog >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> thinking about what Myles had to say... >> >> It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. >> What mattered was that they should bear >> Some lineament or character, >> >> Some affluence, if only half-perceived, >> In the poverty of their words, >> Of the planet of which they were part. >> >> >> ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? >> >> -- >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : >> I hate poetry @ Harriet's >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 02:13:02 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:13:02 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Draft of a Schoolwide Blog Entry In-Reply-To: <4A2C4F8E.4090800@nut-n-but.net> References: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906071420v2e551e9ew5f0058a9bed42ea2@mail.gmail.com> <4A2C4F8E.4090800@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906072313q28b301b2l9e15e94a5241527f@mail.gmail.com> Yes, like a big mountain of knowledge, layer upon layer. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I would avoid the use of 'dumb.' > > > Dopey? > > > I particularly enjoyed your twist here: > it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at > letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! > > the reading here is lovely, and the exclamation mark that follows 'balloon' > marks as a matter of fact a wonderful detachment. The formatting got lost, > > Actually, it came out close to right. > > but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. The > same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's conveys a > certain lightness and joyfulness. > Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" > > *Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) > brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. > * > > Thanks, Anny. But do you think the idea of the layers as I describe them > works? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 02:44:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:44:11 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906072344u74096333u6f4e4b391f564437@mail.gmail.com> I agree with the most of them. Touchee' by the picture with the bookcase behind (I do have one circulating) and by the air blown up, due to the wind in a sunny but windy day sent to me by a student, a picture I particularly liked and uploaded on Facebook. And whatever you write about the readings, could apply to me. I have always said that I do not like readings. I might improve one day, hopefully. My recent MFA requires a further explanation. I teach high school kids, regularly read my bunch, correct, and read further. I thought I was well off, which was not true. I like to say that I have never studied that much, which is a lie, because when I studied I always never studied that much, and this is the truth. What I hate most about the new kind of poetry that is circulating these days are some buffoons on poetry lists, whichever way they manifest: - Be them speaking in super-serious tones, all Mater Dolorosa of the heavy duty taken upon their frail shoulders to carry on the light of Poetry together with lengthy descriptions of what 'They' personally and deeply and emotionally think of Poetry; - Be them gangsters of the word to disrupt any serious attempt at confrontation [too much work all this seriousness is and anyhow I want to shine]. - Some smarties that have guessed how and what to write to win, the fundamental guidelines, turned over and over again. - Other smarties that live comfortably on grants upon grants [peer connections, they call them]. I would like to underline that my parodies, like *Scarlet and the soldier*and *Morning Masquerade*, target the very same poets I have in mind while writing the present. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:00 AM, wrote: > The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan > opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the > idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised > the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that > spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the > Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. > But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the > free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other > people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with > Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > >> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. >> But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. >> It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in >> this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, >> or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other >> than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, >> and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed >> against those magic momuments. >> >> Posted this to my blog >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> thinking about what Myles had to say... >> >> It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. >> What mattered was that they should bear >> Some lineament or character, >> >> Some affluence, if only half-perceived, >> In the poverty of their words, >> Of the planet of which they were part. >> >> >> ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? >> >> -- >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : >> I hate poetry @ Harriet's >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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However, since I'm an optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my offering based upon your delightful list: POETS UNITED 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of snarking family and friends. 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us enough for that disclosure in a published source. 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed body parts] 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry Superfund. 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic possibilities]. 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY. 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her hat around. 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] Best, Judy 2009/6/7 The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save their sorry offerings. Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about what Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Cris cheek performs . . . live reading live writing: "monday morning quarter-backing "on" and "off" gods commons" Jeremy Hardingham performs "Wittgenstein's Face" Drew Milne performs "Glam Fuzz Dirt Scan" [In which Johnson's dictionary bites the dust: part of the Bent Circuit Noise Project] Cris Cheek: UK-born, US-based poet/multimedia artist cris cheek was a key figure in the London poetry scene of the 1980s later anthologized in Robert Sheppard and Adrian Clarke?s Floating Capital: New Poets from London. Also central to developments in Performance Writing emerging out of variant distributed networks during the following decade. He is a prolific, genre-slipping figure: poet, performance artist and musician, whose activities range from the ambitious conceptual project Things Not Worth Keeping to recordings with the ensembles Slant and Garam Masala. Jeremy Hardingham, as well as being the Judith E Wilson Drama Studio Manager is a performance artist and writer, whose recent work includes "unfolding king lear a model". Drew Milne's books of poetry include Go Figure (2003), Mars Disarmed (2002), The Damage (2001), Bench Marks (1998) and Sheet Mettle (1994). This is his first performance as Phraser Glamfuzz, sometime collaborator with Ziggy Stardust. Drew Milne is the Judith E Wilson Lecturer in Drama & Poetry. Enquiries to: Drew Milne, agm33 at cam.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jun 8 08:16:44 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906071927o798d1494uae0b5b61e41998c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906080516t50780310i1f840dda1aa6fbc3@mail.gmail.com> >From you, David, wow. And an elegant thankful bow.... Judy 2009/6/8 David Bircumshaw > Brilliant, Judy, brilliant. > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2009 3:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > Thanks, James, it feels sooooo good to read a rant. However, since I'm an > optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until > it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen > wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my > offering based upon your delightful list: > POETS UNITED > > 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! > 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. > 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of > snarking family and friends. > 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us > enough for that disclosure in a published source. > 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ > NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed > body parts] > 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. > 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions > to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of > Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to > the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry > Superfund. > 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU > WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. > 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry > up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic > possibilities]. > 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' > bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. > 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet > for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. > 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes > titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR > UNIVERSITY. > 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our > chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems > and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience > whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops > after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera > gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer > and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her > hat around. > 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, > insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, > mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. > > ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who > named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] > > Best, > > Judy > > > > 2009/6/7 > >> The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked >> me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' >> that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against >> poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... >> >> Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the >> poet. >> >> The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often >> being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends >> and family. >> >> The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or >> online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet >> opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes >> their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. >> He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then >> he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. >> >> Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy >> journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students >> screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. >> >> Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that >> try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; >> their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. >> >> The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets >> pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the >> scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work >> would have a better chance of coming to the fore. >> >> Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, >> particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work >> appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. >> >> The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of >> Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the >> plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and >> conference invitation. >> >> Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets >> with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands >> holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the >> background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. >> >> The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA >> programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary >> credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. >> >> Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in >> late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young >> graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. >> Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular >> cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, >> with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets >> who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to >> entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. >> >> Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and >> traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting >> themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. >> >> The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming >> their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. >> Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their >> number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. >> >> Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and >> make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save >> their sorry offerings. >> Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure >> the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur >> (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). >> >> Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their >> creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a >> residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. >> >> The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized >> self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, >> teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, >> all exposed so well by Foetry.com. >> >> Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass >> itself. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 11:08:30 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:08:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure I have anything to add to your list, James, but I'd probably subtract a few. Some comments [in brackets] below. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM, wrote: The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > [Mostly a good thing, especially for the poet(s).] > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > [I've a lot of resistance to saying I'm an anything. "Admitting" reeks of guilt. I'm too gentile for that.] > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > [I've often thought more poetry should be published anonymously. Editors might well work anonymously too.] > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > [Oh, well.] > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > [I've no idea what these numbers are, so there's no problem here for me. Besides, I don't really do numbers.] > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > [Oh, well. One can't write poetry all the time.] > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > [Hear, hear!] > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > [Let's just say "poets' pictures." The hell with them.] > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > [Let's just say poetry readings.] > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > [I've no idea to whom this might refer.] > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > [Ditto.] > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > [Hear, hear!] > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > [Since one such place provided me with wonderful wife, I'll not endorse this one. Besides it's not the landscape that matters. It's having someone else do the cooking, cleaning, etc. It having a room with no telephone in it.] > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > [Hear! Hear!] > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > [No idea what this means. Post-modernism needs a therapist?] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Mon Jun 8 11:19:16 2009 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] de Campos Tower of Babel Revisited, A Video Poem by Mary Ann Sullivan Message-ID: <60756.74.73.231.202.1244474356.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> This video poem, called "de Campos Tower of Babel Revisited," is by Mary Ann Sullivan. Check it out! This poem, based on an Old Testament story and inspired by "Olho por Olho," by Augusto de Campos, involves 20 very small videos that play simultaneously. You might need to watch it several times before all videos are present, depending on your broadband connection. http://www.towerjournal.com/babel/babel.html Thanks for reading, Gregory St. Thomasino From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jun 8 13:02:42 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:02:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65 c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal likes. But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff that /APR/ and /Poetry/ and /the New Yorker/ publish, and imitating it as best you can. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 12:06:33 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:06:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with a ten-foot cliche. Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good at 78rpm? Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. > Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal > likes. > > But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff > that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it as > best you can. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stay away from anything I'd touch with > a ten-foot cliche. > > Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > at 78rpm? > > Hal > > "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small > room." > --Pascal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. >> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal >> likes. >> >> But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff >> that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it as >> best you can. >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is as a > matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > Anny > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >> a ten-foot cliche. >> >> Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >> at 78rpm? >> >> Hal >> >> "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small >> room." >> --Pascal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. >>> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal >>> likes. >>> >>> But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff >>> that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it >>> as best you can. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 13:15:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:15:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> I forgot blurbs, blurbs & more blurbs...they have to be my number one pet peeve in?contemporary?poetry publishing. (There must actually be people who believe blurbs are?independent mini-reviews?or faithful glimpse-insights into the contents. There are poeple who think Professional Wrestling is not big-bodied acrobatic?theatre.) And the ever multiplying number of Poet Laureates, coming soon to a locality near you. Investment banking firms, deprived of large bonuses, have begun to honor senior managers with one-year appointments like 'Poet Laureate of the 64th Floor' (as reported in the Wall Street Journal). Rubric of the moment, like "Third-Way Poetics" or "Slow Poetry." Flarf (say no more). Chat poetry. Tweet poetry. Don't get me wound me again. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:08 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate I'm not sure I have anything to add to your list, James, but I'd probably subtract a few. Some comments [in brackets] below. Hal ? Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM, ? wrote: The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the?kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' t hat tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... ? Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. [Mostly a good thing, especially for the poet(s).]? ?The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. [I've a lot of resistance to saying I'm an anything. "Admitting" reeks of guilt. I'm too gentile for that.]? ? The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. [I've often thought more poetry should be published anonymously. Editors might well work anonymously too.]? ? Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. [Oh, well.]? Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up=2 0with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. ? The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. [I've no idea what these numbers are, so there's no problem here for me. Besides, I don't really do numbers.] ? Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. [Oh, well. One can't write poetry all the time.] ? The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other?is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. [Hear, hear!] ? Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. [Let's just say "poets' pictures." The hell with them.] ? The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs , where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. ? Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular cadence of rise?& fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. [Let's just say poetry readings.] ? Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. [I've no idea to whom this might refer.]? ? The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. [Ditto.] ? Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save thei r sorry offerings. [Hear, hear!]? ? Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). ? Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. [Since one such place provided me with wonderful wife, I'll not endorse this one. Besides it's not the landscape that matters. It's having someone else do the cooking, cleaning, etc. It having a room with no telephone in it.]? The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. [Hear! Hear!] ? Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. [No idea what this means. Post-modernism needs a therapist?]? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 12:55:08 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:55:08 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: even Bob & Spx can "get along" In-Reply-To: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Bob G. wrote: > > Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is > everything. And those who think it of little or no value. Classy, Bob -- thanks. Of great value, surely, but never "everything" While I'm here: The balloon poem: "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld -- puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, a-good-thing); need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this bitch of an earth." (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist touch) plus (parental) admonition...but further: generalizing loss- potential (hats) -- we might all be swept away. (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of the "Rapture"!) L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, SPX > From skip at louisiana.edu Mon Jun 8 13:43:25 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:43:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <55B621CD844B4402A6DEA97BE0B060BA@win.louisiana.edu> I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. (Just a cautionary.) "Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest." --Richard LaPauvre . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 14:14:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:14:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <55B621CD844B4402A6DEA97BE0B060BA@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CBB67C0F610E51-C54-664@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> My hit list is full of potshots, not meant to harm. My faith in?poetry is absolute. Some of its trappings I have my doubts about. Here's another classic or class act: Guy signs up for an open mike. Reads his poem and leaves before others get their turn. Slam poets who think shouting is a poetic technique. Slam poets preaching to the cafe choir. Funny quote. That's the spirit. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] hate I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. ?(Just a cautionary.) ? ?Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest.? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? --Richard LaPauvre . ? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing lis t ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Mon Jun 8 14:44:35 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:44:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB67C0F610E51-C54-664@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: With respect, I was at a poetry reading in which the first open-mike reader never got a word out of his mouth but stood looking at his page for maybe 3-5 seconds before he passed out, falling (thunk!) to the ground. We got him some water and sat him at a table. He was very pale. And he sat there, nursing the water/ After the last open-mike reader, he got up and read his poem. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My hit list is full of potshots, not meant to harm. My faith in poetry is absolute. Some of its trappings I have my doubts about. Here's another classic or class act: Guy signs up for an open mike. Reads his poem and leaves before others get their turn. Slam poets who think shouting is a poetic technique. Slam poets preaching to the cafe choir. Funny quote. That's the spirit. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] hate I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. (Just a cautionary.) "Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest." --Richard LaPauvre . _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 14:47:27 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:47:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB67C0F610E51-C54-664@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Except for his actually reading aloud, that's really great. I'm a big fan of silent readings. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > With respect, > > > > I was at a poetry reading in which the first open-mike reader never got a > word out of his mouth but stood looking at his page for maybe 3-5 seconds > before he passed out, falling (thunk!) to the ground. We got him some water > and sat him at a table. He was very pale. And he sat there, nursing the > water/ After the last open-mike reader, he got up and read his poem. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > > > My hit list is full of potshots, not meant to harm. My faith in poetry is > absolute. Some of its trappings I have my doubts about. > > Here's another classic or class act: Guy signs up for an open mike. Reads > his poem and leaves before others get their turn. > > Slam poets who think shouting is a poetic technique. Slam poets preaching > to the cafe choir. > > Funny quote. That's the spirit. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 1:43 pm > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] hate > > I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly > as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in > both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many > fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but > peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement > and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a > pollutants. 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 14:54:02 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:54:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. Mark At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, >Anny > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><halvard at gmail.com> wrote: >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >a ten-foot cliche. > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >at 78rpm? > >Hal > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >small room." > --Pascal > > >Halvard Johnson >================ >halvard at gmail.com >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal likes. > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best you can. > >--Bob > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 14:59:39 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:59:39 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: >And the ever multiplying number of Poet Laureates, coming soon to a >locality near you. Investment banking firms, deprived of large >bonuses, have begun to honor senior managers with one-year >appointments like 'Poet Laureate of the 64th Floor' (as reported in >the Wall Street Journal). >On this one I respectfully disagree. It's not that there are too >many laureates, but an insufficiency of monarchs. If there's a Poet >Laureate of the 64th Floor shouldn't there be at least a king or >queen of same, not to speak of jesters, equerries, concubines etc? Why is the above in quotes? Only the shadow knows the ways of computers. An Insufficiency of Monarchs, it occurs to me, is like a gaggle of guess or a hearing of lamas. Mark, who spreadeth wisdom. From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:02:11 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:02:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> How do you account for her?marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, too much tequila? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer.? ? Mark? ? At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her,? >Anny? >? >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><halvard at gmail.com> wrote:? >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with? >a ten-foot cliche.? >? >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good? >at 78rpm?? >? >Hal? >? >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >small room."? > --Pascal? >? >? >Halvard Johnson? >================? >halvard at gmail.com? >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home? >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com? >http://www.hamiltonstone.org? >? >? >? >? >? >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:? >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal likes.? >? >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best you can.? >? >--Bob? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >? >? >? >--? >Anny Ballardini? >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/? >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078? >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star!? >Friedrich Nietzsche? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? 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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:02 PM, wrote: > How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, too > much tequila? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weiss > Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. > > Mark > > At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a > matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > >Anny > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><< > mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> > wrote: > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with > >a ten-foot cliche. > > > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > >at 78rpm? > > > >Hal > > > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a > >small room." > > --Pascal > > > > > >Halvard Johnson > >================ > >halvard at gmail.com > > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><< > mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> > wrote: > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. > Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal > likes. > > > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff > that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best > you can. > > > >--Bob > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Anny Ballardini > >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > >Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 15:18:12 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:18:12 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906081210v3e12a3e6ga31e187bce39e015@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906081210v3e12a3e6ga31e187bce39e015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906081218s4bdfcbf2q38de56154c4b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> I would like to add: Have you ever met Hal? He is an incredibly smart guy, I can understand why his wife married him, :-) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah, this is a good one! I am laughing... > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:02 PM, wrote: > >> How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, >> too much tequila? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Weiss >> Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. >> >> Mark >> >> At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >> >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a >> matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, >> >Anny >> > >> >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><< >> mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >> >a ten-foot cliche. >> > >> >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >> >at 78rpm? >> > >> >Hal >> > >> >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >> >small room." >> > --Pascal >> > >> > >> >Halvard Johnson >> >================ >> >halvard at gmail.com >> >> >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> >> >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> >http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><< >> mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> >> wrote: >> >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. >> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal >> likes. >> > >> >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff >> that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best >> you can. >> > >> >--Bob >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Anny Ballardini >> >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> >> >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> >> >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >Friedrich Nietzsche >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------ >> *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 15:20:09 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:20:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Overwhelming generosity of spirit. And his recdord collection. At 03:02 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary >insanity, too much tequila? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > >Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. > >Mark > >At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She > is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > >Anny > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard > Johnson ><<mailto:hal > vard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> wrote: > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with > >a ten-foot cliche. > > > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > >at 78rpm? > > > >Hal > > > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in > a >small room." > > --Pascal > > > > > >Halvard Johnson > >================ > ><mailto:halvard at gmai > l.com>halvard at gmail.com > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >< m>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > ><http:/ > /www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob > Grumman ><< et?>mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list > all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and > drop >the ones Hal likes. > > > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that > great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and > imitating >it as best you can. > > > >--Bob > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Anny Ballardini > >< pot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > >< /5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > >Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:23:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:23:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB685CC1F04E8-153C-202@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? In fact, the?explosion of theme-based anthologies. I have a lot of nerve bringing this one?up... http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:26:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:26:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com><8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB68620EB7295-153C-23C@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Ah, love in a stereophonic trace; that explains it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate Overwhelming generosity of spirit. And his recdord collection.? ? At 03:02 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? >How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary >insanity, too much tequila?? >? >? >-----Original Message-----? >From: Mark Weiss ? >Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm? >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate? >? >Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer.? >? >Mark? >? >At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She > is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her,? > >Anny? > >? > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard > Johnson ><<mailto:hal > vard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> wrote:? > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with? > >a ten-foot cliche.? > >? > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good? > >at 78rpm?? > >? > >Hal? > >? > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in > a >small room."? > > --Pascal? > >? > >? > >Halvard Johnson? > >================? > ><mailto:halvard at gmai > l.com>halvard at gmail.com? > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home? > >< m>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com? > ><http:/ > /www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob > Grumman ><< et?>mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:? > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list > all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and > drop >the ones Hal likes.? > >? > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that > great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and > imitating >it as best you can.? > >? > >--Bob? > >? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > >? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >--? > >Anny Ballardini? > >< pot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >? > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? > >< /5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >? > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star!? > >Friedrich Nietzsche? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >----------? >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? 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All deja vu, what is innovative here, what is there to learn, another bunch of papers on the market (do not worry to bother Bob Grindmen, I am trying out my best) and CONGRATULATIONS congratulations CONGRATULATIONS !!!!! Proudest, Anny On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, wrote: > How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? > In fact, the explosion of theme-based anthologies. > > I have a lot of nerve bringing this one up... > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 16:27:54 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:27:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB685CC1F04E8-153C-202@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <8CBB685CC1F04E8-153C-202@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Check out Carlos Blackburn's chapbook Hamster (Ugly Duckling Press, http://www.uglyducklingpresse.org/orders.html, US$5) But I presume you mean anthologies of work by dogs, etc. I'm publishing one myself. It's called "Scat." Printed on reusable paper. Mark At 03:23 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? >In fact, the explosion of theme-based anthologies. > >I have a lot of nerve bringing this one up... > >http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jun 8 18:57:41 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:57:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: even Bob & Spx can "get along" In-Reply-To: References: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4A2D9765.7010500@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Bob G. wrote: >> >> Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is >> everything. And those who think it of little or no value. > > Classy, Bob -- thanks. Of great value, surely, but never "everything" > > While I'm here: > > The balloon poem: > > "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld -- > puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by > poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. > > As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's > four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: > Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. > > To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): > > (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, a-good-thing); > need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. > (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this > bitch of an earth." > (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist > touch) plus (parental) > admonition...but further: generalizing > loss-potential (hats) > -- we might all be swept away. > (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of > the "Rapture"!) > > L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, > > SPX Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! Thanks, Barry--interesting stuff I didn't know about. "Anagogical" is a neato word I seem always to be running across and never know the meaning of, though I look it up sometimes. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 19:52:48 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:52:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid Message-ID: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Hamsteroid Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments the alphabet of the marathon gnawer of sterile kilometers jumping onto a wheel I spin in the air around its axis welded to two cage-walls with four paws wrinkled forehead shiny eyes and snout stretched toward the horizon in this way I complete endless journeys on the round vehicle of my solitude birdmouse flying inside bars it finally alights with a thud with my heavy body I lie on the bottom of the cage legs apart small paw on chest like Napoleon after Sedan S?vres Sestri?re Senegal and the hag tells me eat the rye and turnip soup don?t touch the coffeepot it?s not your helmet the galloping stops everything stops away goes the blonde lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, (Translation Press, 1981) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reminds me of my as yet unwritten poem "Hemorrhoids from Outer Space."* *Hal * *"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > Hamsteroid > > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > the alphabet of the marathon > gnawer of sterile kilometers > jumping onto a wheel > I spin in the air > around its axis welded > to two cage-walls > with four paws > wrinkled forehead > shiny eyes and snout > stretched toward the horizon > in this way I complete endless journeys > on the round vehicle > of my solitude > birdmouse flying inside bars > it finally alights with a thud > with my heavy body > I lie on the bottom of the cage > legs apart > small paw on chest > like Napoleon after Sedan > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > and the hag tells me > eat the rye and turnip soup > don?t touch the coffeepot > it?s not your helmet > the galloping stops > everything stops > away goes the blonde > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > > ?Bartolo Cattafi, *The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems*, translated by > Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, > (Translation Press, 1981) > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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Eastern Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! ==================== Well, along with describing good ways to torture people you don't like. --Bob ======================== Luckily for us, Bob, everyone in Hell seems to be Italian! ======================================== David Graham _grahamd at ripon.edu_ (mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu) Home Page: _http://web.mac.com/drjazz_ (http://web.mac.com/drjazz) Poetry Library: _http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html_ (http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html) ========================================== = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. 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Eastern Daylight Time, > grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! > > ==================== > > Well, along with describing good ways to torture people you don't like. > > --Bob > > ======================== > > Luckily for us, Bob, everyone in Hell seems to be Italian! > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbarfor local deals at your fingertips. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of great value, surely, but never "everything" > > While I'm here: > > The balloon poem: > > "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld > -- > puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by > poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. > > As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's > four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: > Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. > > To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): > > (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, > a-good-thing); > need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. > (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this > bitch of an earth." > (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist > touch) plus (parental) > admonition...but further: generalizing > loss-potential (hats) > -- we might all be swept away. > (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of > the "Rapture"!) > > L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, > > SPX > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's too much fun to be about poets. - Jim On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > Hamsteroid > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > the alphabet of the marathon > gnawer of sterile kilometers > jumping onto a wheel > I spin in the air > around its axis welded > to two cage-walls > with four paws > wrinkled forehead > shiny eyes and snout > stretched toward the horizon > in this way I complete endless journeys > on the round vehicle > of my solitude > birdmouse flying inside bars > it finally alights with a thud > with my heavy body > I lie on the bottom of the cage > legs apart > small paw on chest > like Napoleon after Sedan > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > and the hag tells me > eat the rye and turnip soup > don?t touch the coffeepot > it?s not your helmet > the galloping stops > everything stops > away goes the blonde > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth > Feldman & Brian Swan, > (Translation Press, 1981) > > ________________________________ > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 12:25:04 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:25:04 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid In-Reply-To: <648208b60906090600i508e8edeo60c3c483c805d407@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60906090600i508e8edeo60c3c483c805d407@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906090925i5ad8bc20g8023ba4739130315@mail.gmail.com> I thought the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th lines were about poets: jumping onto a wheel I spin in the air around its axis welded to two cage-walls On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > What a great cartoon, among other things. Are the first three lines > about some poets? Nah, belay that. It's too much fun to be about > poets. > > - Jim > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > > > Hamsteroid > > > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > > the alphabet of the marathon > > gnawer of sterile kilometers > > jumping onto a wheel > > I spin in the air > > around its axis welded > > to two cage-walls > > with four paws > > wrinkled forehead > > shiny eyes and snout > > stretched toward the horizon > > in this way I complete endless journeys > > on the round vehicle > > of my solitude > > birdmouse flying inside bars > > it finally alights with a thud > > with my heavy body > > I lie on the bottom of the cage > > legs apart > > small paw on chest > > like Napoleon after Sedan > > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > > and the hag tells me > > eat the rye and turnip soup > > don?t touch the coffeepot > > it?s not your helmet > > the galloping stops > > everything stops > > away goes the blonde > > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > > ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth > > Feldman & Brian Swan, > > (Translation Press, 1981) > > > > ________________________________ > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 9 13:05:13 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:05:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! Anny Ballardini wrote: > Folks! > Poets! > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 9 13:30:48 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:30:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to?this list, deserves most of the credit. It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the permissions/rights to republish...that was a real chore. Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... Here's _Visiting Frost_ http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm and _Visiting Emily_ http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed!? ? Anny Ballardini wrote:? > Folks!? > Poets!? >? > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark,? > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors!? >? >? >? >? > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? >? >? >? >? > -- > Anny Ballardini? > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/? > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078? > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star!? > Friedrich Nietzsche? >? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? 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I think it deserves a comment, >>felt congratulations to the Editors! >> >> >> >> >> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Anny Ballardini >>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >>Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >-- >Tad Richards >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 9 13:56:17 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:56:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid In-Reply-To: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Carlos' Hamster is very different. The sequence is from the point of view of the male, who refers to the female as Hamster. This is Carlos' small non-sequential selection from the 82 short poems that make up the full set. He seems to have selected romantically; in another mood the selection would probably be very different. Small mysteries. The acyclical flux of piss-smell, The newspaper of the underworld. The edge of this place *** Drunk on the fumes of a new bed of cedar chips I zigzag to the salt-lick. *** I can see Hamster's eyes in the dark. Why won't she sleep? Now she squeaks a little and digs a little; maybe she?s hurt. *** A plant has started to peek at us from around a corner. *** Quick nose quicker than the eyes changes everything *** Ever so quiet she draws up behind I always know Her paws set the tiny forests of each eye stretching back whiskers aslant ready now to engage, now. We touch noses without looking At 07:52 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Hamsteroid > > >Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments >the alphabet of the marathon >gnawer of sterile kilometers >jumping onto a wheel >I spin in the air >around its axis welded >to two cage-walls >with four paws >wrinkled forehead >shiny eyes and snout >stretched toward the horizon >in this way I complete endless journeys >on the round vehicle >of my solitude >birdmouse flying inside bars >it finally alights with a thud >with my heavy body >I lie on the bottom of the cage >legs apart >small paw on chest >like Napoleon after Sedan >S??vres Sestri??re Senegal >and the hag tells me >eat the rye and turnip soup >don???t touch the coffeepot >it???s not your helmet >the galloping stops >everything stops >away goes the blonde >lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > >?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected >poems, trranslated by Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, >(Translation Press, 1981) > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:30:00 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:30:00 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] forwarding from Mark Young, Editor of Otoliths Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906091130n107d74x297799f01bf25c9f@mail.gmail.com> Lars Palm's ungovernable press has just made available for download my e-chap *terracotta worriers*. Any similarity between the poem titles & the chapter headings of Sun Tzu's *The Art of War* is purely coincidental. & Bill Allegrezza's Moria books recently published my *More from* *Series Magritte *as both a downloadable pdf & a purchasable hardcopy. Scroll down to the bottom of the webpage to find it. The earlier *from Series Magritte* is halfway down the page. & a reminder that *Pelican Dreaming: Poems 1959-2008*, selected & with an introduction by Thomas Fink, is available from Eileen Tabios' Meritage Press . Apologies for pushing my own barrow, blowing my own trumpet, or (please insert here any other similar clich? that comes to mind)..... Cheers Mark Young -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jun 9 14:35:37 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:35:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906091135s65a8cac8wad1bf6bac2117c3d@mail.gmail.com> Nice, Mark. Just to add to hamsterfacts: a terrific quote by Alice Thomas Ellis [Brit novelist p'raps best known for The Summer House made into a same-named film by Goldwyn & BBC Films, starring Jeanne Moreau and Joan Plowright]: "There is no reciprocity. Men love women, women love children, and children love hamsters." and rodents like her quote Best, Judy 2009/6/9 Mark Weiss > Carlos' Hamster is very different. The sequence is from the point of view > of the male, who refers to the female as Hamster. This is Carlos' small > non-sequential selection from the 82 short poems that make up the full set. > He seems to have selected romantically; in another mood the selection would > probably be very different. > > Small mysteries. > The acyclical flux > of piss-smell, > The newspaper of the > underworld. > The edge of this place > > *** > Drunk on the fumes > of a new bed of cedar chips > I zigzag to the salt-lick. > > *** > > I can see Hamster's eyes in the dark. > Why won't she sleep? > Now she squeaks a little > and digs a little; > maybe she?s hurt. > > *** > > A plant has started > to peek at us > from around a > corner. > > *** > > Quick nose > quicker than the eyes > changes everything > > *** > Ever so quiet > she draws up behind > I always know > > Her paws set > the tiny forests of each eye > stretching back > whiskers aslant > ready now > to engage, now. > > We touch noses without looking > > > > > > At 07:52 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > > Hamsteroid >> >> >> Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments >> the alphabet of the marathon >> gnawer of sterile kilometers >> jumping onto a wheel >> I spin in the air >> around its axis welded >> to two cage-walls >> with four paws >> wrinkled forehead >> shiny eyes and snout >> stretched toward the horizon >> in this way I complete endless journeys >> on the round vehicle >> of my solitude >> birdmouse flying inside bars >> it finally alights with a thud >> with my heavy body >> I lie on the bottom of the cage >> legs apart >> small paw on chest >> like Napoleon after Sedan >> S?vres Sestri?re Senegal >> and the hag tells me >> eat the rye and turnip soup >> don?t touch the coffeepot >> it?s not your helmet >> the galloping stops >> everything stops >> away goes the blonde >> lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. >> >> ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, trranslated by Ruth >> Feldman & Brian Swan, >> (Translation Press, 1981) >> >> ---------- >> An Excellent Credit Score is 750. < >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir>See >> Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 15:18:47 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:18:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks interesting. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Folks! > Poets! > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, felt > congratulations to the Editors! > > > >>> >>> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm >>> >>> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 15:33:22 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner Message-ID: <309576.4815.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Whoa!? Going to order a copy pronto!? Big congrats, Mr. Finnegan!? Why so modest though? Thanks for pointing it out, Anny! Best, Amy ?Anny Ballardini wrote: Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, felt congratulations to the Editors! http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 9 15:50:36 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:50:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss Moore? I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. A Mind Of Winter I recognize the pose: casual cool, one arm spread along the top slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all. For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life. Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing. So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction. His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form. By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. Flume Press, 2000. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to this list, deserves > most of the credit. > It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. > Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the > permissions/rights to republish...that was a real chore. > > Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... > Here's _Visiting Frost_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm > and _Visiting Emily_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm > Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner > > This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Folks! > > Poets! > > > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a > comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > > dancing star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 16:08:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:08:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <309576.4815.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <309576.4815.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906091308g2be33e68t9516dfe268bfcf34@mail.gmail.com> Yes, you are right, why so modest! And right in the middle of the hate thread, a tiny comment and at the bottom - out of context - he pasted the link. You Finnegan, opps Mr. Finnegan! and did you see, "it's all Dennis Barone's fault, kids, I didn't do anything, they just didn't know what to write on the cover and they put my name..." On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:33 PM, amy king wrote: > Whoa! Going to order a copy pronto! Big congrats, Mr. Finnegan! Why so > modest though? > > Thanks for pointing it out, Anny! > > Best, > Amy > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > >> Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, >> Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, felt >> congratulations to the Editors! >> >> >>>> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 16:09:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:09:09 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> I could have sworn that you were in all those boring anthologies... :-) On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not > just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited > the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) > Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss > Moore? > > I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all publishers > don't list such on their web sites.) > > I am > among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. > > *A Mind Of Winter* > > I recognize the pose: casual cool, > one arm spread along the top slat > of the bench, legs wide in disdain, > a gaze aiming at unreadable. > For two days he's sprawled at ease > near the student union, making it clear > he's not moving come class or final. > The season's second snowfall > glazes his face and limbs. > The fact that he's sculpted in snow > explains much of his immobility > but not all. For he's so much the ghost > of the unlistener, that back-row child > who passes through wisdom > as through the weather, elemental > and unaltered, that I know > I've seen him sprawled over half > my life. Not to mention that > I've been that boy, chilling myself > from inside out with the ice > of unknowing. So I cannot pass > without a kind thought tossed > like a whiff of cool wind > in his direction. His eyeless gaze > cannot blink away new snow > building, nor can my squint > focus his form. By tomorrow > both our heads will have been > knocked off and reasserted > more times than we can tell. > > --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to this list, deserves most of > the credit. > It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. > Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the permissions/rights > to republish...that was a real chore. > > Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... > Here's _Visiting Frost_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm > and _Visiting Emily_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm > Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner > > This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Folks! > > Poets! > > > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt > congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing > star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 02:02:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:02:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Google's challenge Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906092302i3d449a3k513eea446466a0b5@mail.gmail.com> http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE5585XG20090609 The company has made investments in advanced geothermal and wind, but engineers in the company are focused mostly on solar thermal, a type of solar energy in which the sun's energy is used to heat up a substance that produces steam to turn a turbine. Mirrors focus the sun's rays on the heated substance. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Wed Jun 10 14:41:16 2009 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN Message-ID: <63377.74.73.231.202.1244659276.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> e? MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090608-jamestown-slate.html e?ratio loves you. http://eratio.blogspot.com/ e? From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 10 16:37:50 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:37:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing Message-ID: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/burt.php The New Thing The object lessons of recent American poetry ? Stephen Burt Their models, among older authors, were Emily Dickinson, John Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps Frank O?Hara; some had studied (or studied with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up devices from the Language writers of the West Coast. These poets were what I, eleven years ago, called ?elliptical,? what other (sometimes hostile) observers called ?New Lyric,? or ?post-avant,? or ?Third Way.? Their emblematic first book was Mark Levine?s Debt (1993), their emblematic magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their bad poems were bad surrealism, random-seeming improvisations, or comic turns hoping only to hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. (excerpt) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 10 17:59:39 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:59:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/burt.php > > The New Thing > The object lessons of recent American poetry > > Stephen Burt > Their models, among older authors, were Emily Dickinson, John > Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps Frank O?Hara; some had studied (or > studied with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up devices from the > Language writers of the West Coast. These poets were what I, eleven > years ago, called ?elliptical,? what other (sometimes hostile) > observers called ?New Lyric,? or ?post-avant,? or ?Third Way.? Their > emblematic first book was Mark Levine?s Debt (1993), their emblematic > magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their bad poems were bad > surrealism, random-seeming improvisations, or comic turns hoping only > to hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. > (excerpt) They sound like I called "jump-cut" poets whose generally unacknowledged source-poem was "The Wasteland." --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Wed Jun 10 18:01:13 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:01:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Not bloody likely, Bob. And also not what the article's about. After that first paragraph Burt selects a few poets whose work he likes and posits a community for them, staking his claim as definer of "the new thing." Some of the poets he writes about are pretty good (Rae Armantrout, who he sees as their predecessor, is a lot better than that), most are extremely mannered. But to each his own. Mark At 05:59 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: >jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/burt.php >> >>The New Thing >>The object lessons of recent American poetry >> >>Stephen Burt >>Their models, among older authors, were Emily >>Dickinson, John Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps >>Frank O???Hara; some had studied (or studied >>with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up >>devices from the Language writers of the West >>Coast. These poets were what I, eleven years >>ago, called ???elliptical,??? what other >>(sometimes hostile) observers called ???New >>Lyric,??? or ???post-avant,??? or ???Third >>Way.??? Their emblematic first book was Mark >>Levine???s Debt (1993), their emblematic >>magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their >>bad poems were bad surrealism, random-seeming >>improvisations, or comic turns hoping only to >>hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. >>(excerpt) >They sound like I called "jump-cut" poets whose >generally unacknowledged source-poem was "The Wasteland." > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 18:38:31 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:38:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: these are not the elliptical poets, btw (Jeanne Marie Beaumont, Susan Wheeler -- poets about ten years older and NOT coming out of Iowa during the Graham years), nor what Cal Bedient's tried to name in the Boston Review; one also wonders why so many of the poets in this year's commissioned Boston Review essay-review trying to create a school of poetry are called the new thing but use archaisms (Treadwell) and I apparently don't know any of the east coast langpos? 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Is that not right? If not, who was? And if it was, I'll gladly award him the right to put anyone he wants to under the umbrella. Even if I think it's a vague and unhelpful umbrella. . . . And in any case, as you might imagine of anything termed "the new thing," that's precisely the one thing it ain't: new. Personally I like Bob G's "jump-cut" better as a label, and I'd go back at least as far as Eliot & Williams to trace the lineage, probably through the Objectivists from there, and so forth. If one needs labels, of course. And if one needs to be "new," also. I think it's much overrated as a yardstick, myself. For instance, just arrived on my desk today is B. H. Fairchild's new collection, *Usher*, from Norton. If you're looking for his heritage, it isn't hard to discern: poets like Frost, Keats, & Wordsworth, more recently probably Philip Levine, William Stafford, James Wright. In other words, a lyric/narrative poet, a poet of place, a contemporary Romantic. Deep roots in the oldest traditions. Nothing flashy, stylistically. His freshness is subtler stuff, and akin to what Frost once called "the old-fashioned way to be new." In any case, Fairchild is about the farthest thing imaginable from what's currently fashionable or "new." And he is, in my opinion, one of the best poets we've got right now, though it's unlikely anyone is going to round him up into any "school" and claim great things for his style. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 10 21:27:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:27:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty Message-ID: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and Wallace Stevens, ostentatious transgression was mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of art, which is to magnify life as it is and to reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beauty of ?An Ordinary Evening in New Haven? and Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But somehow those great life-affirmers lost their position at the forefront of modern culture. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 00:25:50 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:25:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. Mark At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: >http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary Evening in New Haven??? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > >---------- >Dell >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 10:51:57 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace John Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long?? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The?Voice of Wallace Stevens? Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you? Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Howe, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann L auterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo? Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in th e Hotel Lobby Bar ?http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure.?Neither?Dennis nor I are working on anything.?I imagine IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had?most of the poems (above)?collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of? making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: Congratulations, Jim. ?I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. ?(Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) ? Do you know if others are in the works? ?Eliot? ?Pound? ?Visiting Miss Moore? ? I also would love to see a table of contents. ?(Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among?the?least?Stevensian?poets?this?side?of?Charles?Bukowski,?but?I've?always?loved?his?work.??Here's?the?closest?thing?I?have?to?a?poem?in?tribute?to?Wallace,?a?spin-off?from?my?all-time?favorite?of?his,?and?among?my?favorite?lyric s?of?all?time. A Mind Of Winter ? I recognize the pose:? casual cool, one arm spread along the top slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all.? For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life.? Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing.? So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction.? His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form.? By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. ?Flume Press, 2000. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danthomasglass at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 11:10:32 2009 From: danthomasglass at gmail.com (Dan Glass) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:10:32 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the anthology...? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues > caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not > sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open > to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the > poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the > book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing > permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of > these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line > securing the permissions. > Finnegan > > > > =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not >> just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited >> the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) >> Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss >> Moore? >> >> I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all >> publishers don't list such on their web sites.) >> >> I am >> among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. >> >> *A Mind Of Winter* >> >> I recognize the pose: casual cool, >> one arm spread along the t op slat >> of the bench, legs wide in disdain, >> a gaze aiming at unreadable. >> For two days he's sprawled at ease >> near the student union, making it clear >> he's not moving come class or final. >> The season's second snowfall >> glazes his face and limbs. >> The fact that he's sculpted in snow >> explains much of his immobility >> but not all. For he's so much the ghost >> of the unlistener, that back-row child >> who passes through wisdom >> as through the weather, elemental >> and unaltered, that I know >> I've seen him sprawled over half >> my life. Not to mention that >> I've been that boy, chilling myself >> from inside out with the ice >> of unknowing. So I cannot pass >> without a kind thought tossed >> like a whiff of cool wind >> in his direction. His eyeless gaze >> cannot blink away new snow >> building, nor can my squint >> focus his form. By tomorrow >> both our heads will have been >> knocked off and reasserted >> more times than we can tell. >> >> --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Judy 2009/6/11 > This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues > caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not > sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open > to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the > poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the > book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing > permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of > these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line > securing the permissions. > Finnegan > > > > =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not >> just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited >> the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) >> Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss >> Moore? >> >> I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all >> publishers don't list such on their web sites.) >> >> I am >> among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. >> >> *A Mind Of Winter* >> >> I recognize the pose: casual cool, >> one arm spread along the t op slat >> of the bench, legs wide in disdain, >> a gaze aiming at unreadable. >> For two days he's sprawled at ease >> near the student union, making it clear >> he's not moving come class or final. >> The season's second snowfall >> glazes his face and limbs. >> The fact that he's sculpted in snow >> explains much of his immobility >> but not all. For he's so much the ghost >> of the unlistener, that back-row child >> who passes through wisdom >> as through the weather, elemental >> and unaltered, that I know >> I've seen him sprawled over half >> my life. Not to mention that >> I've been that boy, chilling myself >> from inside out with the ice >> of unknowing. So I cannot pass >> without a kind thought tossed >> like a whiff of cool wind >> in his direction. His eyeless gaze >> cannot blink away new snow >> building, nor can my squint >> focus his form. By tomorrow >> both our heads will have been >> knocked off and reasserted >> more times than we can tell. >> >> --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 13:46:07 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:46:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu><4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com><8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. Dennis and I each?had a group of poems?we knew that would fit the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about poems that might? meet our needs.? I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for a new and expanded edition. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Glass Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the anthology...? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace=0 AJohn Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long?? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The?Voice of Wallace Stevens? Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you? Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann Lauterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from20Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo? Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar ?http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure.?Neither?Dennis nor I are working on anything.?I imagine=2 0IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had?most of the poems (above)?collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of? making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: Congratulations, Jim. ?I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. ?(Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) ? Do you know if others are in the works? ?Eliot? ?Pound? ?Visiting Miss Moore? ? I also would love to see a table of contents. ?(Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among?the?least?Stevensian?poets?this?side?of?Charles?Bukowski,?but?I've?always?loved?his?work.??Here's?the?closest?thing?I?have?to?a?poem?in?tribute?to?Wallace,?a?spin-off?from?my?all-time?favorite?of?his,?and?among?my?favorite?lyrics?of?all?time. A Mind Of Winter ? I recognize the pose:? casual cool, one arm spread along the t op slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all.? For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life.? Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing.? So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction.? His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form.? By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. ?Flume Press, 2000. ? Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:05:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:05:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 Message-ID: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> http://www.journal1913.org/home.html I didn't know about this journal. (Bob Grumman's to blame for being remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Bob Grumman's to blame for being remiss > in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danthomasglass at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:24:30 2009 From: danthomasglass at gmail.com (Dan Glass) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:24:30 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0906111116n76fa0120pae5c867130e7383d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0906111116n76fa0120pae5c867130e7383d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I second that-- 1913's consistently one of the more interesting explorations of experimental formalism. A beautiful, and beautifully-produced, journal. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > 1913 is a fine journal. I've had some friends in it, and one of my > grad-school mentors, Andrew Zawacki, won their editor's prize a couple of > years ago. > > Thanks for sharing, Jim. > > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, wrote: > >> http://www.journal1913.org/home.html >> >> I didn't know about this journal. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:39:44 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:39:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Remember I don't post only those things I agree with...it's my job as CC to this list,?to drag the web for things that might be?of use to our intermittent discussions. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense.? ? Mark? ? At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:? >http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html? >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary Evening in New Haven??? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture.? >? >----------? >Dell >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops.? >__________ _____________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 15:56:44 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:56:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@we bmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu><4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gm ail.com><8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A31617C.4040600@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. > (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) > > Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. > Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit > the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: > Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or > another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about > poems that might > meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. > I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer > shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. > > So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced > together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for > a new and expanded edition. > Finnegan If so, Jim, at least take a glance at the Stevens poem of mine that I posted at New-Poetry about the the, one of five or six Stevens poems I've done, one of them in my book, Of Manywhere-at-Once, which is probably twenty percent about Stevens. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:05:01 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:05:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> I anyhow agree on 'Beauty' and I also think that Poetry, or any other Art should remember it/She - la bellezza, la beaute', die Schoenheit, la belleza, they are all feminine. Literary and Art Criticism, as much as Philosophy or Sociology have their own jobs to do, and since Mark is here, also Psychology has its own burden. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, wrote: > Remember I don't post only those things I agree with...it's my job as CC to > this list, to drag the web for things that might be of use to our > intermittent discussions. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weiss > Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > > Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and > the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of > view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and > Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. > But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon > nonsense. > > Mark > > At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< > http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an > >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of > ???An Ordinary Evening in New H aven?? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer > of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the > forefront of modern culture. > > > >---------- > >< > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell>Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of > laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 15:14:21 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:14:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty Message-ID: I know. It's not you who pisses me off, but the interface often takes one on the nose for the guilty party. It might help if you didn't with some consistency quote the most inflamatory passage. Beauty is of course never defined in the article, but the two scenes he paints as examples are a Disneyesque moment in what passes for nature and a table set for Norman Rockwell's Thanksgiving. The proximate cause of Scruton's outrage (which I'd guess really dates back to the merciless ribbing he must have taken in the schoolyard over that name) seems to be a setting of Mozart's Abduction from the Seraglio in a whore house, replete with all manner of violence. I generally agree about the removal of works entirely from their original settings--it's worth an audience making an effort at understanding a bit about the culture surrounding the original composition--but I know that theater economics often require radical restaging of often-performed works to draw in a bored audience. So we get Branagh's unutterably stupid fin de siecle Viennese Hamlet (not mentioned in the article), and this Abduction. Mozart has been unusually afflicted with this kind of thing. On the other hand, Abduction, beautiful as the music is, is so insubstantial dramatically (as opposed to the other major Mozart operas) that the director's temptation must be especially strong. Scruton seems to think that the dark turn of the art of this past century has been a whim on the part of artists and critics. I would guess that it has more to do with living in a time when wars that cause fewer than half a million civilian deaths aren't worth mentioning. A defining moment might be the end of All Quiet on the Western Front, when the hero gets killed reaching towards a butterfly. Mark At 02:39 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >with...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions. >Finnegan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. > >Mark > >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevenss reveals the beautyy >of ????An > Ordinary Evening in NeNew H aven????? > and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 19155. > But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost > their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > > > >---------- > >< 08777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell > >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! > Shop Dell's full line of laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >---------- >Dell >Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 15:25:49 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:25:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd guess you didn't read the article, Anny, and I'm not suggesting you do. Among the works he cites as deliberately anti-beauty is Berg's Lulu, which I think extravagantly beautiful, though it's about a girl of questionable morals. What he's really advocating, from a barely-concealed conservative Christian position, is beauty-as-sweetness, as opposed to art that makes one uncomfortable enough to question. That, and he doesn't conceal his dislike of abstraction--beauty is for him about depiction of "reality." So much for Rothko. What would he do with Balthus, I wonder, or for that matter Dryden and Davenant's romp through The Tempest, which has to be the high temple of its kind of beauty? The D&D Tempest is great fun, by the way, if you can suppress your gag reflex. Like Mel Brooks taking on the Sublime. Mark At 03:05 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >I anyhow agree on 'Beauty' > >and I also think that Poetry, or any other Art >should remember it/She - la bellezza, la >beaute', die Schoenheit, la belleza, they are all feminine. >Literary and Art Criticism, as much as >Philosophy or Sociology have their own jobs to >do, and since Mark is here, also Psychology has its own burden. > >On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, ><jforjames at aol.com> wrote: >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >with...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions. >Finnegan > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. > >Mark > >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary > Evening in New H aven?? and >Barber that of > Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those > great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > > > > >---------- > >< 08777x1201444407/aol?redir%3EDell>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell > >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! > Shop Dell's full line of laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >---------- >Dell >Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:51:00 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:51:00 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree with Roger Scruton. I would have probably chosen different authors and a different style, but he is fundamentally speaking my own language. At some time during the aftermath of modernism, beauty ceased to receive those tributes. The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, lay not in beauty but in expression. [...] from the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, and Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the *nouveau roman*. But somehow those great life-affirmers lost their position at the forefront of modern culture. [Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, and meaningless pain with which contemporary cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin Tarantino having little else in their emotional repertories. *What do we make of this, and how do we find our way back to the thing so many people long for, which is the vision of beauty?* There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, a hunger that our popular art fails to recognize and our serious art often defies. I used the word ?desecration? to describe the attitude conveyed by Bieito?s production of *Die Entf?hrung* and by Serrano?s lame efforts at meaning something. What exactly does this word imply? It is connected, etymologically and semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with the ideas of sanctity and the sacred. Look at any picture by one of the great landscape painters?Poussin, Guardi, Turner, Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of beauty celebrated and fixed in images. Poets have expended thousands of words on this experience, which no words seem entirely to capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred down the ages, reminding people as diverse as Plato and Calvino, Virgil and Baudelaire, that sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we witness in animals but the raw material of a longing that has no easy or worldly satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart by pushing his music into the background so that it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn from this? What do we gain, in terms of emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the postmodern loss of truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. That is the message of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, and it is a message that we need to listen to. Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are immediately struck by the immense hard work, the studious isolation, and the attention to detail that characterizes their craft. In art, beauty has to be *won*, but the work becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? But it is also possible to return to ordinary things in the spirit of Wallace Stevens and Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with them and that they magnify and vindicate our life. Such is the overgrown path that the early modernists once cleared for us?the *via positiva* of beauty. There is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 16:53:21 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:53:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yup, we disagree. I'm not out to "magnify and vindicate our life," but to question and explore. Mark At 03:51 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree >with Roger Scruton. I would have probably chosen >different authors and a different style, but he >is fundamentally speaking my own language. > > > >At some time during the aftermath of modernism, >beauty ceased to receive those tributes. > > >The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, >lay not in beauty but in expression. [...] from >the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, >and Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the nouveau roman. > >But somehow those great life-affirmers lost >their position at the forefront of modern culture. >[Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] > >Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, >and meaningless pain with which contemporary >cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin >Tarantino having little else in their emotional repertories. > >What do we make of this, and how do we find our >way back to the thing so many people long for, which is the vision of beauty? > >There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, >a hunger that our popular art fails to recognize >and our serious art often defies. > >I used the word ?desecration? to describe the >attitude conveyed by Bieito?s production of Die >Entf?hrung and by Serrano?s lame efforts at >meaning something. What exactly does this word >imply? It is connected, etymologically and >semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with >the ideas of sanctity and the sacred. > >Look at any picture by one of the great >landscape painters?Poussin, Guardi, Turner, >Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of >beauty celebrated and fixed in images. > >Poets have expended thousands of words on this >experience, which no words seem entirely to >capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred >down the ages, reminding people as diverse as >Plato and Calvino, Virgil and Baudelaire, that >sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we >witness in animals but the raw material of a >longing that has no easy or worldly >satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. > >Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart >by pushing his music into the background so that >it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman >carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn >from this? What do we gain, in terms of >emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? > >Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch >comes precisely from the postmodern loss of >truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral >direction. That is the message of such early >modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, and it >is a message that we need to listen to. > >Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are >immediately struck by the immense hard work, the >studious isolation, and the attention to detail >that characterizes their craft. In art, beauty >has to be won, but the work becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? > >But it is also possible to return to ordinary >things in the spirit of Wallace Stevens and >Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with >them and that they magnify and vindicate our >life. Such is the overgrown path that the early >modernists once cleared for us?the via positiva >of beauty. There is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 17:02:34 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:02:34 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111402u6f05c789q61f7aef2851c6b1f@mail.gmail.com> I also question, explore, fall flat under disappointments, turn desperately from one side to the other for a solution, get irremediably lost in nothingness, suffocate in the grip of times, live with anxiety perpetual and continuous loss, stare speechless at the gruesome movies in front of my eyes, contemplate with sadness the mad and pernicious behavior of man, the overflowing attitude towards destruction, the lingering scream which is my scream from the depths within but I can also see beauty and for a moment get lost in it. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Yup, we disagree. I'm not out to "magnify and vindicate our life," but to > question and explore. > > Mark > > > At 03:51 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: > >> Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree with Roger Scruton. I >> would have probably chosen different authors and a different style, but he >> is fundamentally speaking my own language. >> >> >> >> At some time during the aftermath of modernism, beauty ceased to receive >> those tributes. >> >> >> The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, lay not in beauty but in >> expression. [...] from the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, and >> Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the nouveau roman. >> >> But somehow those great life-affirmers lost their position at the >> forefront of modern culture. >> [Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] >> >> Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, and meaningless pain with >> which contemporary cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin Tarantino >> having little else in their emotional repertories. >> >> What do we make of this, and how do we find our way back to the thing so >> many people long for, which is the vision of beauty? >> >> There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, a hunger that our popular >> art fails to recognize and our serious art often defies. >> >> I used the word ?desecration? to describe the attitude conveyed by >> Bieito?s production of Die Entf?hrung and by Serrano?s lame efforts at >> meaning something. What exactly does this word imply? It is connected, >> etymologically and semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with the >> ideas of sanctity and the sacred. >> >> Look at any picture by one of the great landscape painters?Poussin, >> Guardi, Turner, Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of beauty >> celebrated and fixed in images. >> >> Poets have expended thousands of words on this experience, which no words >> seem entirely to capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred down the >> ages, reminding people as diverse as Plato and Calvino, Virgil and >> Baudelaire, that sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we witness in >> animals but the raw material of a longing that has no easy or worldly >> satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. >> >> Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart by pushing his music into >> the background so that it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman >> carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn from this? What do we gain, >> in terms of emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? >> >> Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the >> postmodern loss of truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. >> That is the message of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, >> and it is a message that we need to listen to. >> >> Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are immediately struck by the >> immense hard work, the studious isolation, and the attention to detail that >> characterizes their craft. In art, beauty has to be won, but the work >> becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? >> >> But it is also possible to return to ordinary things in the spirit of >> Wallace Stevens and Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with them and >> that they magnify and vindicate our life. Such is the overgrown path that >> the early modernists once cleared for us?the via positiva of beauty. There >> is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From locriansky at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 17:37:10 2009 From: locriansky at yahoo.com (locriansky at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN In-Reply-To: <63377.74.73.231.202.1244659276.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> References: <63377.74.73.231.202.1244659276.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> Message-ID: <760176.56150.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Gregory ----- Original Message ---- From: e?ratio To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:41:16 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN e? MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090608-jamestown-slate.html e?ratio loves you. http://eratio.blogspot.com/ e? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 19:21:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:21:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com><8CBB8DB1F8C1 AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A319162.1080202@nut-n-but.net> Mark Weiss wrote: > I'd guess you didn't read the article, Anny, and I'm not suggesting > you do. Among the works he cites as deliberately anti-beauty is Berg's > Lulu, which I think extravagantly beautiful, though it's about a girl > of questionable morals. What he's really advocating, from a > barely-concealed conservative Christian position, is > beauty-as-sweetness, as opposed to art that makes one uncomfortable > enough to question. That, and he doesn't conceal his dislike of > abstraction--beauty is for him about depiction of "reality." So much > for Rothko. And there's the idiocy: he's not calling for beauty, he's calling for /his/ kind of beauty. That's okay with me although it's extremely not my kind of beauty (in most cases) but he shouldn't call it beauty. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Bob Grumman's to blame for being > remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan Sorry, James, but I'm out of just about all the loops there are nowadays. --Robert From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 19:31:58 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:31:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A3193EE.4070109@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.journal1913.org/home.html > > I didn't know about this journal. (Bob Grumman's to blame for being > remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan If I wanted reveal the magnitude of my megalomania I would tell you that no journal that doesn't solicit me for visual poems is vispo-friendly. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jun 11 20:39:24 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:39:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.S. Gwynn Sighting Message-ID: <9FAAFB81-3498-4EE5-82A1-63433EE8680B@ripon.edu> Check out Sam Gwynn's omnibus review featured currently at Poetry Daily. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 23:49:31 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:49:31 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> As ?I posted to the Wallace Stevens list, the thing that I most object to is idea that 'beauty' is so weakened?in art that it?needs a?socio-cultural defending. Beauty is far from be washed away by ersatz?merz or?simple-minded?conceptualism or provocateurism. Beauty can take it...beauty is more resourceful than its defenders understand. That said, when I hear the words?'edgy art' I'm often ready to be bored to tears. Then there is that feeling that artists are tripping over themselves, trying to be?more transgressive than the last. It's tiresome. I think the big problem is that issue of beauty is framed, no pun intended, in zero-sum terms, as battle for the soul of humankind.?When it could be expressed as one person's? concerns about?an increasing ingrown?fashion for 'in your face' art. It occurred to me that the Pre-Raphaelites were also reacting to?'ugliness' of an order that most now would?Scrutonize and?classify as 'beauty.' Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty I know. It's not you who pisses me off, but the interface often takes one on the nose for the guilty party. It might help if you didn't with some consistency quote the most inflamatory passage.? ? Beauty is of course never defined in the article, but the two scenes he paints as examples are a Disneyesque moment in what passes for nature and a table set for Norman Rockwell's Thanksgiving.? ? The proximate cause of Scruton's outrage (which I'd guess really dates back to the merciless ribbing he must have taken in the schoolyard over that name) seems to be a setting of Mozart's Abduction from the Seraglio in a whore house, replete with all manner of violence. I generally agree about the removal of works entirely from their original settings--it's worth an audience making an effort at understanding a bit about the culture surrounding the original composition--but I know that theater economics often require radical restaging of often-performed works to draw in a bored audience. So we get Branagh's unutterably stupid fin de siecle Viennese Hamlet (not mentioned in the article), and this Abduction. Mozart has been unusually afflicted with this kind of thing. On the other hand, Abduction, beautiful as the music is, is so insubstantial dramatically (as opposed to the other major Mozart operas) that the director's temptation must be especially strong.? ? Scruton seems to think that the dark turn of the art of this past century has been a whim on the part of artists and critics. I would guess that it has more to do with living in a time when wars that cause fewer than half a million civilian deaths aren't worth mentioning. A defining moment might be the end of All Quiet on the Western Front, when the hero gets killed reaching towards a butterfly.? ? Mark? ? ? At 02:39 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:? >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >w ith...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions.? >Finnegan? >? >? >-----Original Message-----? >From: Mark Weiss ? >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am? >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty? >? >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense.? >? >Mark? >? >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:? > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html >? > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevenss reveals the beautyy >of ????An > Ordinary Evening in NeNew H aven????? > and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 19155. > But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost > their >position at the forefront of modern culture.? > >? >___________________________________ ____________? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r_loden at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 12 03:04:42 2009 From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net (Rachel Loden) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:04:42 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9BC2F08A016448A59079539CFAF20932@GLASSCASTLE> There was definitely an open call somewhere, because I sent work in response to it. Rachel http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm _____ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about poems that might meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for a new and expanded edition. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Glass Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the anthology...? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace John Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens' Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin's Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann Lauterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper's Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms 0A Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own mone y on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jun 12 03:38:23 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:38:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <9BC2F08A016448A59079539CFAF20932@GLASSCASTLE> References: <9BC2F08A016448A59079539CFAF20932@GLASSCASTLE> Message-ID: <4A3205EF.3040208@opus40.org> I missed the call -- my fault and no one else's. Glad to see the anthology is out there. Rachel Loden wrote: > There was definitely an open call somewhere, because I sent work in > response to it. > > Rachel > http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of > *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:46 AM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner > > Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered > either. > (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought > it up.) > > Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. > Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit > the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: > Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or > another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about > poems that might > meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. > I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer > shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. > > So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced > together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for > a new and expanded edition. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Glass > Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner > > I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] > [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. > But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the > anthology...? > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, > wrote: > > This may not be the final list of > contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late > switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > 0A > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All > Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure. > Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP > would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop > collections. We had most of the poems (above) collected into a > roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. > Introduction and Foreword came later of course. 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Robin From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 11:49:06 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:49:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Can't help wondering what "in your face art" means to you, James. Examples? Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM, wrote: > I think the big problem is that issue of beauty is framed, no pun intended, > in zero-sum terms, as battle for the soul of humankind. 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David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Laureates and Knights > << > and, I write in all sincerity, congratulations to the outgoing tenant on > his knighthood, the verray parfait Sir Andrew, as well as to the previous > Professor of Poetry at Oxford, good Sir Christopher Ricks. >>> > > A caveat, dave -- Ricks deserved his knighthood, Aguecheek didn't. > > (Well, maybe not a knighthood, but at least an OBE. > > But we're into grade-inflation when it comes to UK honours, now that Sir > Armstrad has just been made a Lord..) > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 13:25:48 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:25:48 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thomas Merton Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906151025h2ba4d22fv2c581c0c4c574316@mail.gmail.com> In reading, for instance, we pass from one thought to another, we follow the development of the author's ideas, and we contribute some ideas of our own if we read well. This activity is discursive. Reading becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reading > becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of > the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts > (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the > mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. > > Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. > Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Hey, color me contemplative! > > Hal > > "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." > --Anon. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> In reading, for instance, we pass from one thought to another, >> we follow the development of the author's ideas, and we contribute some >> ideas of our own if we read well. This activity is discursive. Reading >> becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of >> the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts >> (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the >> mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. >> >> Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. >> Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > poet Evelyn Scott was his father's companion; not very popular with Thomas, > apparently > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > I like my friend Paul Elie's The Life You Save May be Your Own > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mandolin at mikesnider.org Tue Jun 16 00:32:46 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:32:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Laureates and Knights In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906092302i3d449a3k513eea446466a0b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830906152132s4aae9479i5d97eff26c19f8fc@mail.gmail.com> I heard Christopher Ricks at a panel discussionthis weekend - an extraordinary experience, Ibought his "Dylan's Visiions of Sin" - Bob Dylan, that is/ On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:38 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Oh come on now Rob: he's got his free bus-pass by now - what more can a man > or woman want by way of honour? > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Laureates and Knights > > >> << >> and, I write in all sincerity, congratulations to the outgoing tenant on >> his knighthood, the verray parfait Sir Andrew, as well as to the previous >> Professor of Poetry at Oxford, good Sir Christopher Ricks. >>>> >> >> A caveat, dave -- Ricks deserved his knighthood, Aguecheek didn't. >> >> (Well, maybe not a knighthood, but at least an OBE. >> >> But we're into grade-inflation when it comes to UK honours, now that Sir >> Armstrad has just been made a Lord..) >> >> Robin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 07:13:31 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:13:31 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cartoon Time: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906160413m520bf385ha97acf91fd001abe@mail.gmail.com> i.e. "Intervention" http://www.newyorker.com/humor/issuecartoons/2009/06/22/cartoons_20090615 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 09:43:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:43:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBBC9FA0142EED-1174-792@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Ansara, The Massachusetts Poetry Festival To: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:17 am Subject: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online. Dear Poets & Lovers of Poetry,? ? The 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival is growing, spreading, positively exploding... We are thrilled to announce that there will be simultaneous kick-off events Thursday, October 15th, in Boston, Lowell, Salem, Worcester, Amherst, and the Berkshires. Then on Friday and Saturday, the Festival returns to the classic red-brick mills, galleries, museums, National Park sites, churches, restaurants, cafes, and cobblestone streets of downtown Lowell. ? Applications are now open for small presses wanting to participate in the Festival's Small Press Fair on October 17. Click here to go to our website for documents ? ? Afaa Michael Weaver will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival? Anne Waldman founder, with Allen Ginsberg, of the Jack Kerouac School of Writing at Naropa?University in Boulder, Colorado,will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival Friday, Oct. 16, over 200 high school poets will be reading and participating in events at Lowell High School;? there will be an intercollegiate poetry showcase with student poets from 14 colleges and universities, and a special MPF edition of the Urban Village Arts Series on Friday evening. ? On Saturday, Oct. 17, the packed schedule?will include a small press fair, readings by regional poetry groups, a Favorite Poem Project session, writing workshops, and a late night poetry slam with notable participants from Massachusetts and New York -- and much more. ? Just a few of the poets appearing for the Festival this year include: Afaa M. Weaver James Tate Dara Wier Louise Gluck? Ann Waldman Jericho Brown XJ Kennedy and the Light Brigade Robert Pinsky Lloyd Schwartz And many more! ? Louise Gluck , former U.S. Poet Laureate is participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival? ? Robert Pinsky is participating in this years? Festival? On Sunday, Oct. 18, Harvard University will host a poetry and jazz program with Robert Pinsky and musicians. To keep up with the events being scheduled regularly check in at www.masspoetry.org ? The Festival is expanding. The Festival is growing ???????? --- despite the financial hard times. ? Because all of us believe, especially in these hard times, that people need poetry more than ever. But to do all this we also need you to participate? ! ? Please donate to the Poetry Festival. We need 100 people to step up and don ate $50 dollars or whatever you can to make sure we can keep expanding the Massachusetts Poetry Festival. We need to rely on lots of small donations from individuals who want to support poetry. We need you. ? ? Click here to make your tax deductible donation now. ? Stay tuned for more announcements shortly. ? Thank you. ? ??? Michael Ansara? For the Festival Planning Committee ? ? ? You can watch videos of some of the readings from the 2008 Festival by clicking here. Massachusetts Poetry Festival http://masspoetry.org/ Office of Cultural Affairs & Special Events 375 Merrimack Street, Lowell, MA 01852 This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com. To ensure that you continue receiving our emails, please add us to your address book or safe list. manage your preferences | opt out using TrueRemove?. Got this as a forward? Sign up to receive our future emails. powered by -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 13:30:25 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:30:25 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding In-Reply-To: <8CBBC9FA0142EED-1174-792@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBC9FA0142EED-1174-792@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906161030o4a9aac40y42753299510348ef@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for this, you can watch several videos of last year's readings, way below. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM, wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Ansara, The Massachusetts Poetry Festival < > info at masspoetry.org> > To: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:17 am > Subject: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding > > If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online > . > [image: Forward this message to a friend] > *Dear Poets & Lovers of Poetry,* > > *The 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festivalis > **growing, spreading*, *positively exploding... *We are thrilled to > announce that there will be simultaneous kick-off events Thursday, Oc tober > 15th, in Boston, Lowell, Salem, Worcester, Amherst, and the Berkshires. Then > on Friday and Saturday, the Festival returns to the classic red-brick mills, > galleries, museums, National Park sites, churches, restaurants, cafes, and > cobblestone streets of downtown Lowell. > > *Applications are now open for small presses wanting to participate in the > Festival's Small Press Fair on October 17.* Click here to go to our > website for documents > > > > > > *Afaa Michael Weaver * > *will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival * > > *Anne Waldman founder, with Allen Ginsberg, of the Jack Kerouac School of > Writing at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado,will be p articipating in > the 2009 Poetry Festival * > *Friday, Oct. 16,* over 200 high school poets will be reading and > participating in events at Lowell High School; there will be an > intercollegiate poetry showcase with student poets from 14 colleges and > universities, and a special MPF edition of the Urban Village Arts Series on > Friday evening. > > *On Saturday, Oct. 17*, the packed schedule will include a small press > fair, readings by regional poetry groups, a Favorite Poem Project session, > writing workshops, and a late night poetry slam with notable participants > from Massachusetts and New York -- and much more. > Just a few of the poets appearing for the Festival this year include: > > - *Afaa M. Weaver * > - *James Tate* > - *Dara Wier* > - *Louise Gluck* > - *Ann Waldman* > - *Jericho Brown* > - *XJ Kennedy and the Light Brigade* > - *Robert Pinsky* > - *Lloyd Schwartz* > - *And many more!* > > * * > *Louise Gluck , former U.S. Poet Laureate is participating in the 2009 > Poetry Festival * > > > *Robert Pinsky is participating in this years * > *Festival * > *On Sunday, Oct. 18, *Harvard University will host a poetry and jazz > program with Robert Pinsky and musicians. > 0A > *To keep up with the events being scheduled regularly check in at > www.masspoetry.org > * > > The Festival is expanding. > The Festival is growing > --- despite the financial hard times. > > Because all of us believe, > especially in these hard times, > that people need poetry more than ever. > *But to do all this we also need you to participate !* > > Please donate to the Poetry Festival. We need 100 people to step up and > donate $50 dollars or whatever you can to make sure we can keep expanding > the Massachusetts Poetry Festival. We need to rely on lots of small > donations from individuals who want to support poetry. We need you. > > > > *Click here to make your tax deductible donation now. > * > > > > > > Stay tuned for more announcements shortly. > > Thank you. > > ??? > Michael Ansara > For the Festival Planning Committee > > > [image: 2008 Videos] > *You can watch videos of some of the readings from the 2008 Festival by > clicking here.* > Massachusetts Poetry Festival > http://masspoetry.org/ > Office of Cultural Affairs & Special Events > 375 Merrimack Street, Lowell, MA 01852 > This email was sent to *jforjames at aol.com*. 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 16 16:36:23 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query Message-ID: I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly to an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? Mark From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 16 18:10:21 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:10:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail without having to open anything. Mark Weiss wrote: > I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly to > an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 16 18:26:07 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:26:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query In-Reply-To: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> References: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> Message-ID: Eudora. Generally I get a message with an attachment and click on the attachment. Sometimes when I get an email and there's an indication that there's an attachment I open the email and there's the attachment, graphics and all. I'd like to be able to send something like that. At 06:10 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: >What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail >without having to open anything. > >Mark Weiss wrote: >>I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly >>to an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? >> >>Mark >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >-- >Tad Richards >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 20:35:10 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:35:10 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 20:47:33 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:47:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 20:57:50 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:57:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query In-Reply-To: References: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CBBCFDC5803A1C-FD0-1365@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> I'm not a?tech whiz, but I've seen people compose a graphic heavy html?email that displays what looks to be a flyer when the email opens, and then they use that same html email graphic?to create a pdf attachment that can also be printed off as flyer/order form etc.? I think auto-launching an attachment when?one clicked on the email might be a security?problem that?email programs would avoid. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] technical query Eudora. Generally I get a message with an attachment and click on the attachment. Sometimes when I get an email and there's an indication that there's an attachment I open the email and there's the attachment, graphics and all. I'd like to be able to send something like that.? ? At 06:10 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote:? >What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail >without having to open anything.? >? >Mark Weiss wrote:? >>I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly >>to an attachment. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 21:14:13 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:14:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Thinking again about another notion promulgated by Wormser & Cappella: That caps at the beginning of the line create a 'polished look'... Is it those caps on the left margin?or is it the?relative uniform line length that creates?a finished look to verse? I think one could argue that the cap heavy left margin is actually creating interest by its?asymmetry. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:05:21 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:05:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0906161905s45e8a22m1c489042f948b0c1@mail.gmail.com> I capitalize the first word because I like to think that each line has its own integrity, somehow both a part of the poem as a whole and a thing unto itself. However, I don't *always* do so. When my poems wind up discursive or rhetorical, I tend lengthen the lines & not capitalize the first letter of each line--perhaps unconsciously mimicking prose? Well, unconsciously until now--this is the first time that I've thought about that particular quirk of mine. Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > Thinking again about another notion promulgated by Wormser & Cappella: That > caps at the beginning of the line create a 'polished look'... > Is it those caps on the left margin or is it the relative uniform line > length that creates a finished look to verse? > I think one could argue that the cap heavy left margin is actually creating > interest by its asymmetry. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? > > It occurred to me (not one of my greater revelations) that the model of > ploughing = verse fails because our written language is not bidirectional. > The plough would have to fly over the previous plowed row to start a new one > for that model to function. The carriage return bar solved that bit of magic > for typewriters. > > Are there any written languages that can be read bidirectionally? > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? > > The question came up on another list, Why (&When) did convention of > captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, > having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th > Century? > > Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses > are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about > the capping the first word of the new verse.. > > Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella > in Teaching the Art of Poetry > > http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 > > In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not > firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton > became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first > word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin > "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One > row > in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") > and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" > in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to > the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field > are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the > majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital > letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a > distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the > poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jun 16 22:08:36 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:08:36 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: I've always thought that capitalizing the first letter in a line was a wee bit pretentious. However, I hasten to add, this only applies to my own poems. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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URL: From pihel_e at pipeline.com Tue Jun 16 22:58:56 2009 From: pihel_e at pipeline.com (Erik Pihel) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:58:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 17 09:47:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:47:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CBBD694F16EFCD-AB4-2321@WEBMAIL-DZ37.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for that info, Erik. It does seem an efficient system for writing and reading...Never occurred to me that the form/shape of certain letters would be an impediment to bidirectional writing/reading. Know any modern writing systems that run both ways? On the PoetryEtc list someone was saying the ancient texts, printed by hand on scarse vellum/parchments, ran the lines of verse one after another to the end of the page to conserve the dear?materials, and thus?used the captilization of the first word as a marker to indicate?successive verses. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Erik Pihel To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Ancient Greek was written in boustrophedon, "as the ox turns," and so it was very much "ploughing = verse."? The first line was read right to left, the second left to right, the third right to left, etc.? This is more intuitive than stopping the line, making the eye travel all the way back across the page, and then starting again.? Romans, however, had characters, such as p/q and b/d, that depend on direction, and so broke with boustrophedon. I think William Carlos Williams was the first to lower-case his line-beginnings, which I always thought was the next step after throwing aside rhyme and metrical line-breaks: to allow the line to find its own music rather than arbitrarily adhering to poetic convention. Erik Pihel -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Jun 16, 2009 5:47 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It all balances out: publications like this do > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 18:01:35 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:01:35 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com . -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Speaking of balance-- I picked up the most recent Columbia Poetry > Review and was impressed by the selection... much of it somewhere in > the interesting middle where some text-based modes collide. > > c > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > > Can you believe it?, another magazine that ignores Iowa plain text and > > Wilashberia (sp?) poetry... > > http://textvisual.wordpress.com/ > > > > It's "Wilshberia," James, and it includes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry. > Lots > > of publications ignore it. It all balances out: publications like this > do > > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American > > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It all balances out: publications like this >> > do >> > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American >> > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of >> > Wilshberia, >> > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > >> > --Bob >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Thu Jun 18 19:27:45 2009 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sacramento Poet Wins the Cave Canem-Northwestern University Book Prize Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A971210AD88E92@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3470593-indigo-moor-wins-cave-canem-northwestern-university-press-poetry-prize ________________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of James Cervantes [cervantes.james at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:24 PM To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sign of the times As long as it's not a spastic collider. - Jim On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > O, Holy Collider! > > Hal > > "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." > --Anon. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Chris Lott wrote: >> >> Speaking of balance-- I picked up the most recent Columbia Poetry >> Review and was impressed by the selection... much of it somewhere in >> the interesting middle where some text-based modes collide. >> >> c >> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> > jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Can you believe it?, another magazine that ignores Iowa plain text and >> > Wilashberia (sp?) poetry... >> > http://textvisual.wordpress.com/ >> > >> > It's "Wilshberia," James, and it includes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry. >> > Lots >> > of publications ignore it. It all balances out: publications like this >> > do >> > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American >> > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of >> > Wilshberia, >> > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > >> > --Bob >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 18 20:28:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:28:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Adonis Message-ID: <8CBBE8C05D482E1-A98-1B41@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.praguepost.com/tempo/1547-prague-writers-festival-poet-paints-arab-world-laments-fall-of-poetry-in-west.html The Syrian poet Ali Ahmed Said Esber - known to readers as Adonis - traces the fault line between the Arab and Western worlds with his pen, attempting "to give a new image to what we call the Arab world, and to create a new way of seeing our contemporary world," he says. ... "Political exile is very superficial; it's only a change of place. The real exile is interior," he said while in town for the Prague Writers' Festival. "A poet who doesn't feel exiled is only part of the superficial world. In this sense, exile is hell because it means anxiety, the perpetual searching for new things. But it's also paradise because it opens new possibilities." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 18 21:22:22 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:22:22 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich's A Human Eye Message-ID: <8CBBE9387A942B2-5F4-1BE@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.gtweekly.com/20090618443296/a-e/literature/a-human-eye As with ?What Is Found There,? an earlier collection of Adrienne Rich?s essays, her new book, ?A Human Eye? is almost impossible to get through ? but for the very?? best of reasons. Each essay is an irresistible invitation to travel?to a poem, to the bookstore, to the public library, to one?s own library, to the Web, or perhaps, just to a quiet corner in one?s mind. And another link... http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_12615411 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 04:04:17 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:04:17 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for providing this link, Anny.It's so very useful.-- Obododimma. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com > . > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jun 19 11:04:09 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:04:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBBF0654EBC207-724-5F09@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> Anny, I too am happy to have that link. Many new names there?that I hadn't encountered in my haphazard studies of philosophy. Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: Obododimma Oha Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers Thanks for providing this link, Anny.It's so very useful. -- Obododimma. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 805 350 6604; ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 808 264 8060. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 11:10:30 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:10:30 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers In-Reply-To: <8CBBF0654EBC207-724-5F09@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> <8CBBF0654EBC207-724-5F09@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906190810u6f6a48a2w444237192193330d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, James and Obododimma. I keep on finding excellent sites and I have just little time to read, as usual, that is why I forward, so that at least somebody can read... but promise, I will do my best to dig into it. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, wrote: > Anny, I too am happy to have that link. Many new names there that I hadn't > encountered in my haphazard studies of philosophy. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Obododimma Oha > Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers > > Thanks for providing this link, Anny.It's so very useful. -- Obododimma. > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com >> . >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I know you're dying to know what I really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:03:20 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:03:20 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Life Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906190903t659ece45k25d8e8520f2c1a78@mail.gmail.com> Ah Hal, I'll come and pull your feet! On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Life Work > > Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper > estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. > Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, > > 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while > you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled > by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that > > you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep > cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered > for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school > > type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope > it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I > really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:12:06 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:12:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Life Work In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906190903t659ece45k25d8e8520f2c1a78@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906190903t659ece45k25d8e8520f2c1a78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And that may be just what they need, Anny. Hal "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." --Anon. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah Hal, I'll come and pull your feet! > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Fri Jun 19 13:59:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:59:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but actually works to further divisions? I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of much use. c From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 14:32:41 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:32:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I'm with you here, Chris. Let's call them blahbles. Hal "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." --Anon. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > >publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but > poetry out of Wilshberia, > > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in > the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, > i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another > way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless > label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but > actually works to further divisions? > > I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA > that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in > years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the > description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some > bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean, > > 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while > you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled > by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that > > you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep > cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered > for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school > > type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope > it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I > really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not of much practical use if it's taken at such height & resolution that it cannot distinguish between river, road, or irrigation ditch. Or to switch metaphors, a classification scheme that cannot see any difference between dogs, dingos and wolves, much less between spaniels and poodles, isn't just crude to the point of uselessness. It's also rather willfully stupid. Finding meaningful and discussable differences between, say, Lucille Clifton and Sharon Olds is also not the same thing as denigrating Lyn Hejinian and Leslie Scalapino, or vice versa. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 15:35:01 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:35:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail.gmail.com> I was in the middle of typing a response to Chris's email, David, when your wonderful response showed up in my inbox. I'll add this: exactly. Terms like "Wilshberia" and "School of Quietude" which are used to denigrate a certain kind of writing aren't much use. These terms are polarizing and dismissive--they're not descriptive. Jeff Newberry On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > > On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > ==================== > > I've been saying this for years, not just in response to the "Wilshberia" > label, which at least has comic value and sounds like a theme park, but > about "School of Quietude," "workshop poems," "mainstream poetry," and other > bludgeons disguised as descriptors. > > It's like an aerial view photo. Not of much practical use if it's taken at > such height & resolution that it cannot distinguish between river, road, or > irrigation ditch. > > Or to switch metaphors, a classification scheme that cannot see any > difference between dogs, dingos and wolves, much less between spaniels and > poodles, isn't just crude to the point of uselessness. It's also rather > willfully stupid. > > Finding meaningful and discussable differences between, say, Lucille > Clifton and Sharon Olds is also not the same thing as denigrating Lyn > Hejinian and Leslie Scalapino, or vice versa. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Whereas giving all the grants, poetry reading fees above $5, visible critical attention and publication, and anthology and classroom space to those working in the vein of Wilbur or Ashbery or somewhere between is not polarizing. So, suggest a term for this kind of thing that is not polarizing and dismissive? I would add that "Wilshberia," of course, is absolutely descriptive. "School of Quietude" is not--Silliman has never defined it, and he and his followers apply it confusingly. And, hey, feel free to call the portion of the poetry spectrum Silliman to me Silligrumbia if you want. My point in using "Wilshberia" (which no one whose work if limited to it believes) is not is dismissing its poets but only those who claim to be eclectic in the appreciation of poetry but are ignorant of the many kinds of poetry that is not Wilshberian. There are lots of Silligrumbians, too, but they don't have much power. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 19 19:11:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:11:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: sign of the times In-Reply-To: <4A3C1789.7090501@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com><4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail. gmail.com> <4A3C1789.7090501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A3C1B1F.4030906@nut-n-but.net> Bob Grumman wrote: > Jeff Newberry wrote: >> I was in the middle of typing a response to Chris's email, David, >> when your wonderful response showed up in my inbox. >> >> I'll add this: exactly. Terms like "Wilshberia" and "School of >> Quietude" which are used to denigrate a certain kind of writing >> aren't much use. These terms are polarizing and dismissive--they're >> not descriptive. > Whereas giving all the grants, poetry reading fees above $5, visible > critical attention and publication, and anthology and classroom space > to those working in the vein of Wilbur or Ashbery or somewhere between > is not polarizing. So, suggest a term for this kind of thing that is > not polarizing and dismissive? I would add that "Wilshberia," of > course, is absolutely descriptive. "School of Quietude" is > not--Silliman has never defined it, and he and his followers apply it > confusingly. > CORRECTIONS > And, hey, feel free to call the portion of the poetry spectrum > Silliman to me Silligrumbia INHABIT if you want. My point in using > "Wilshberia" (although no one whose work if limited to it believes me) > is not IN dismissing its poets but only those who claim to be eclectic > in the appreciation of poetry but are ignorant of the many kinds of > poetry that is not Wilshberian. There are lots of Silligrumbians, > too, but they don't have much power. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 10:21:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:21:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use their bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will stimulate their immune systems." http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated the memory that in pain lies grandeur.? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:26:19 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:26:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> Is the plastic surgery included? - Jim On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use their > bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will stimulate > their immune systems." > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php > > > ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated the > memory that in pain lies grandeur.? > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 13:16:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:16:09 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions In-Reply-To: <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906201016p1f35e5b4g30789bac6abbb18a@mail.gmail.com> I doubt it, it belongs to our _Modern Times_ and besides that, they put you to sleep strong before starting. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:26 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Is the plastic surgery included? > > - Jim > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Anny > Ballardini wrote: > > So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use > their > > bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will > stimulate > > their immune systems." > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php > > > > > > ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated > the > > memory that in pain lies grandeur.? > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review > > > > > > -- > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > > star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Right on, Chris (and David) -- not that there's much hope for a cessation of bludgeoning from our in-house one-man spin room offering his "opposition" insult for a label. sans borders, Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jun 20 16:50:55 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:50:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com><4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A3D4BAF.8050504@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, >> and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > > "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in > the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, > i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another > way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless > label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but > actually works to further divisions? > > I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA > that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in > years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the > description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some > bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > c Sorry (really) to seem to be interminably talking about this, but the term "Wilshberia" is not supposed to describe a single school of poetry. I believe there is a continuum of (serious) contemporary American Poetry. On the left is the poetry of the neo-formalist school, then comes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry, then comes (perhaps) simple NY School poetry, then comes the poetry of Jorie Graham/ John Ashbery and their followers. I'm not super-current on this, so there may be other kinds of poetry in this portion of the continuum. What do they have in common? The respect of the Establishment. As language poetry is more and more coming to have but not sound poetry, visual poetry, mathematical poetry, cyberpoetry, performance poetry. Yes, you could call it "mainstream poetry," but my term specifies it better--from the very formal (although I realize Wilbur does other kinds of poetry) to quite informal poetry . . . uses words only, avoids the extreme focus on language of the language poets (when they're language poets and not just called that), and (sorry) uses no poetic device not widely used fifty or more years ago. Nothing wrong with this. Many superior poets never venture out of Wilshberia. 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On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > But [Wilshberia] is not the only worthwhile location on the contemporary > American poetry continuum. > > --Bob G. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Mole and a few others have touched on Silligrumbian stuff but few others. --Bob From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sat Jun 20 16:00:22 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:00:22 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Journal Question Message-ID: There's a journal called Barrelhouse, I believe, that claims to focus on popular culture. No idea how useful it might be for your project. Al **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585064x1201462784/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Aside from *Brilliant Corners*, does anyone know of any journals that > publish pieces specifically *about* music--jazz, rock-n-roll, chamber > music, or any other kind? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 02:58:46 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:58:46 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Let's meet in Santa Fe Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906202358s42832852uba8148348da916f@mail.gmail.com> Rendezvous by Ted McMahon Let's meet in Santa Fe where we can stroll holding hands along the *acequina madre* then sip espresso at the bookstore on Garcia Street. Let's meet in Santa Fe and bask like lizards on the rocks at Bandelier or explore the secrets of remote creek beds. Let's meet in Santa Fe to share our stories and let the whisper of cottonwood leaves fill the silences between. Let's meet in Santa Fe and eat *posole* with our eggs and laugh, and love, and turn the calendar to the wall for a few brief days. "Rendezvous" by Ted McMahon, from *The Uses of Imperfection*. ? Cat 'n' Dog Productions, 2003. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 08:43:14 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:43:14 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics In-Reply-To: <8CBBFFEA92FA513-994-32D2@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBFFEA92FA513-994-32D2@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Interesting article. But I hope Ekanpou Enew Aridideke is familiar with other highly stimulating works by younger Nigerian poets like Afam Akeh, Obi Nwakanma, Remi Raji, Uche Nduka, etc. Many of the works produced by these younger poets far outstride those of Soyinka, Clark, Okara, etc in aesthetic quality and philosophic depth. I hope Aridideke has had access to the works produced by these contemporary Nigerian poets that I have mentioned. I would be a great disservice to Nigerian poetry to assert hastily that the younger generation of Nigerian poets write garbage poetry. -- Obododimma. http://udude.wordpress.com/ On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > > http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/06/20/contemporary-nigerian-poetry-and-garbage-poetics/ > Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics > > With the preponderance of a body of literature on poetry, it is expected > that the generation of emerging elite in literary circles would take a cue > from the works of Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Gabriel Emomotimi Okara and a host > of other poets of this category and produce equally artistically satisfying > poems. > > However, the reverse seems to be the case. Towards this rather atavistic > decay of poetic artistry and legacy which contrasts sharply with the > stereotyped scholarly direction of poetry as advocated by experts, an > avalanche of factors have been identified. > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 08:47:53 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:47:53 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBFFEA92FA513-994-32D2@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > Interesting article. But I hope Ekanpou Enew Aridideke is familiar with > other highly stimulating works by younger Nigerian poets like Afam Akeh, Obi > Nwakanma, Remi Raji, Uche Nduka, etc. Many of the works produced by these > younger poets far outstride those of Soyinka, Clark, Okara, etc in aesthetic > quality and philosophic depth. I hope Aridideke has had access to the works > produced by these contemporary Nigerian poets that I have mentioned. It > would be a great disservice to Nigerian poetry to assert hastily that the > younger generation of Nigerian poets write garbage poetry. > > -- Obododimma. > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > >> >> http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/06/20/contemporary-nigerian-poetry-and-garbage-poetics/ >> Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics >> >> With the preponderance of a body of literature on poetry, it is expected >> that the generation of emerging elite in literary circles would take a cue >> from the works of Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Gabriel Emomotimi Okara and a host >> of other poets of this category and produce equally artistically satisfying >> poems. >> >> However, the reverse seems to be the case. Towards this rather atavistic >> decay of poetic artistry and legacy which contrasts sharply with the >> stereotyped scholarly direction of poetry as advocated by experts, an >> avalanche of factors have been identified. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > and you never really die(after Halvard Johnson's "Life Work") > > never really leave, even > when your feet point towards the exit > never really wrapped in > or hands folded > when indeed they still write > > the write of the rites of the wreaths > in the convoke ride > > and you never really look blank > when your pages are so full of readings > so full of fullness > as sulking verbs conjugal > > for another lifework > > -- Obododimma. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > and you never really die(after Halvard Johnson's "Life Work") > > never really leave, even > when your feet point towards the exit > never really wrapped in > or hands folded > when indeed they still write > > the write of the rites of the wreaths > in the convoke ride > > and you never really look blank > when your pages are so full of readings > so full of fullness > as sulking verbs conjugal > > for another lifework > > -- Obododimma. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 17:00:07 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:00:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The classics can console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906211400o38367650lfc97befdea35e760@mail.gmail.com> Lovely! Happy Father's Day to all the Fathers. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > > Today, father, is father's day, > And we're giving you a tie. > It's not much we know, > It's just our way of showing you > We think you are a regular guy. > > You say that it was nice of us to bother. > But it really was a pleasure to fuss, > For according to our mother, > You're our father, > And that's good enough for us. > Yes, that's good enough for us. > > --Harry Ruby, as sung by Groucho Marx > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 11:31:04 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:31:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] WS's Sonnets Message-ID: <8CBC165970C413F-1640-71A@webmail-dx20.sysops.aol.com> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/665imsgs.asp Rhyme with Reason The poetry's the thing in Shakespeare's sonnets. by Edwin M. Yoder Jr. 06/29/2009, Volume 014, Issue 39 The 400th anniversary of the first publication of Shakespeare's sonnets slipped silently by, all but unnoticed, in late May and early this month. But that is perhaps routine, since like all things Shakespearian, his sonnets are hedged in still-unsolved mystery. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 12:30:47 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:30:47 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... Message-ID: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by Richard Blanco... T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg The ration books voided, there was little to eat, so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines etched around the edges of the rough dish. The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, what exactly is the color of this temptation: I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, imbued shadows, watercolors running a song down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, overflow onto the embroidered place mats, stream down the table and through the living room setting all the rocking chairs in motion then over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:38:22 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:38:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906221038h70c93f6exe12552124a79793d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > Richard Blanco... > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > stream down the table and through the living room > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > ________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:38:35 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:38:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> Terrific. Thanks for making it known. - Jim On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > Richard Blanco... > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > stream down the table and through the living room > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > ________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 15:08:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?_Ada_Lim=C3=B3n_interview?= Message-ID: <8CBC183EC23C8B3-66C-5A7@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.examiner.com/x-4539-SF-Writing-Careers-Examiner~y2009m6d22-Interview-with-Poet-Ada-Limon Ada Lim?n is quickly becoming a rising star in the world of poetry. Her work has been published by the Iowa Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, and was recently featured in the The New Yorker. (full article at?link above) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 15:13:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:13:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] furious flower host Lucille Clifton seminar Message-ID: <8CBC1849F26CE3F-66C-60C@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.jmu.edu/furiousflower/seminar09.shtml "Tell Me Your Names" is an intensive week-long seminar for high school and college teachers interested in teaching African American poetry. The seminar focuses on the poetry of Lucille Clifton and is a natural starting place, both because of her Virginia connections and because her poetry is accessible to high school and college students at all levels of poetry comprehension. ? The seminar will engage participants through lectures and discussions led by scholars in the field. Participants will gain greater comfort in teaching African American poetry in general, and Lucille Clifton in particular. College teachers will leave ready to contribute to the scholarship on Clifton and high school teachers will complete a lesson plan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:31:01 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:31:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duemer's dog In-Reply-To: <4614DA39-5F27-4CDE-8748-D4EB1A24C5AB@ripon.edu> References: <4614DA39-5F27-4CDE-8748-D4EB1A24C5AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906221231r58621d4eqec9de9097dbb10b7@mail.gmail.com> A great poem, thank you for having forwarded the link. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Graham wrote: > Today on Verse Daily, Joe Duemer featured: > http://www.versedaily.org/2009/adoginhanoi.shtml > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:54:31 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:54:31 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906221354h24e5f39aja7ce8f3ac2a2bff7@mail.gmail.com> I agree. Ah the Hortus Conclusus of a Book! You can start preparing the revised and more complete edition, James, better sooner than later... and I will try to contribute as well, I missed your previous call, or maybe saved it in one of the numerous files I have titled : To Do. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:38 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Terrific. Thanks for making it known. > > - Jim > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > > Richard Blanco... > > > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > > stream down the table and through the living room > > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > > ________________________________ > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-franceye21-2009jun21,0,1368352.story > > A singular character affectionately called the Bearded Witch of Ocean Park > -- or, as Bukowski fondly referred to her in one poem, Old Snaggle-Tooth-- Smith had lived in the Ocean Park neighborhood of Santa Monica for > decades. > > Her work under the pen name FrancEyE was published in poetry journals and > gathered in the collections "Snaggletooth in Ocean Park" (Sacred Beverage > Press, 1996), "Amber Spider" (Pearl, 2004), "Grandma Stories" (Conflux > Press, 2008) and ?Call?(Rose of Sharon Press, 2008). > > > ------------------------------ > > > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 05:21:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:21:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] competition for Tad In-Reply-To: <4A403B84.5040306@opus40.org> References: <8CBC1AE6EB2306E-8D4-F0E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> <4A403B84.5040306@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906230221x46cd9992w7faadf28a3d951e2@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it has something of Tad's work. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Nice stuff. > > jforjames at aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.rightreading.com/tcgallery.htm >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! < >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62>* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 07:35:06 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:35:06 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Papers Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906250435j3e9ec1f8s354d53b596067f05@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael McDonnell [mailto:michael.mcdonnell at usyd.edu.au ] >Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:58 AM The Revolution in American Life: Memory, History, and Nation-Making in the United States from 1776 to Today Call for Papers for an Edited Collection Edited by: Robert Aldrich, University of Sydney W. Fitzhugh Brundage, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Clare Corbould, University of Sydney Michael A. McDonnell, University of Sydney In his much-anticipated inaugural address in January 2009, President Barack H. Obama invoked the country?s founding moment ? the American Revolution - no fewer than four separate times in charting a proposed path through the difficult years to come. Significantly, in conjuring a memory of the Revolution to legitimate his agenda, Obama followed in the footsteps of his predecessor. In January 2005, George W. Bush invoked the American Revolution in an effort to shore up support for the so-called War on Terror. Bush referred several times to the ideals of the ?founding moment,? and spoke of the founders? hope for ?freedom? that it was now America?s duty to spread back around the globe. Like Obama, he ended with a history lesson. When the Liberty Bell rang at the reading of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, Bush said a witness noted that ?it rang as if it meant something.? He paused. ?In our time,? Bush intoned, ?it means something still.? Obama and Bush knew what buttons to push. Presidents, of course, try to manipulate the emotions of their listeners by appealing to what they imagine those in their audience find compelling. And surveys consistently reveal that if most Americans remember anything about their past, it is ?something? about the American Revolution. Defined roughly as the period between 1763 and 1800, the era of the American Revolution has come to provide a rich seam of memorable events that can be mined to invoke, impart, and inspire. Whether it be iconic images of the Boston Tea Party or the signing of the Declaration of Independence, or inspiring stories such as Paul Revere?s Ride, the American victory at Yorktown, or Washington?s tearful Farewell Address, or knowledge of the ?sacred? texts that lie enshrined under bomb-proof glass in a vault at the National Archives ? the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights - most Americans today do indeed seem to remember something about their Revolution. The American Revolution, then, is today arguably the central event in American history and is ineradicably tied to the nation?s sense of identity and purpose. It is, in effect, at the heart of the nation. But has it always been this way? Though the current deluge and huge popularity of biographies of the Founding Fathers would suggest a timeless fascination with the American Revolution, we would like to historicise this apparent obsession with the founding moment and think about the multiple ways in which the American Revolution has been remembered, forgotten, and contested from the Founding Era through to today. To do this, we?d like to begin to identify just how, why, and when Americans - and others - have remembered, invoked, used, and abused the American Revolution and the Founding era. In doing so, we want to move beyond Michael Kammen?s pioneering work on the subject and map out a social, cultural, and political history of the ways in which diverse groups of Americans have thought about their Revolutionary past and how this has shaped their nation and the world in which we now live. Accordingly, we are looking for expressions of interest from scholars working in this field for an edited collection (or indeed, a series of edited collections) on the Revolution in American life from the 1770s to today. We are also keen to develop links with interested scholars for the purpose of future collaborations in the form of funded workshops and Conference panels over the next year or two. As the possible topics below suggest, we envision this project as an international, interdisciplinary collaborative endeavour. If you are interested in contributing, please send a 250-500 word abstract of your current research topic and an indication of the kind of paper you might offer to an edited collection, along with a brief vita, to: Michael.mcdonnell at usyd.edu.au; clare.corbould at usyd.edu.au The deadline for abstracts is July 4, 2009. Possible topics might include, but are not limited to, papers that speak to the following main concerns: - the historicisation of memory itself - how have Americans remembered their past? How have different Americans remembered their past? Do race, gender, class, religion or regional differences matter? How has this changed over time? How have these changes affected the way that Americans remember their founding moment? - Individual versus collective memory ? what is the relationship between individual and collective memories? At what point do individual memories become co-opted or replaced by a collective memory? How do different memories and remembrances of the past combine or conflict to create a collective memory? - The multiplicity of memory ? what place did/does the American Revolution have in the minds of Americans at any given moment? What memories have competed with the Revolution? Does/did the Revolution have a primary place in the remembering of the past? - Representations of the past versus the reception of those representations ? how and why have different groups represented the Revolution? How have they tried to communicate those representations? What roles have monuments, art, film, the stage or museums played in these representations? How successful have these different kinds of representations been? Why do some representations come to dominate? - Remembering and forgetting ? what are the visible signs of remembrance? What do silences, omissions and gaps in memories tell us about the place of the Revolution in American memories? How have different groups remembered an alternative, dissenting past? Have these replaced a memory of the Revolution? - Myth and history and the ?founding moment? ? to what extent is the memory of the Revolution dominated by the idea of it being a ?founding moment?? To what extent is the memory of the Revolution wedded to the creation of a nation? Has this obscured or enriched our view of the Revolutionary period as an historical event? Have historians been complicit in this mythmaking? - The American Revolution Abroad - in what ways have other nations or peoples remembered the Revolution? What role have other nations' founding memories played in their history? What role have the memories of other nations played in American memories of the past? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 09:41:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:41:50 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] flutes Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906250641t6f3f8dacnc4465bd5f08cfd06@mail.gmail.com> Conard said it's likely that early modern humans - and perhaps Neanderthals, too - were making music longer than 35,000 years ago. But he added the Hohle Fels flute and the others found across Europe strengthen evidence that modern humans in Europe were establishing cultural behavior similar to our own. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjlhuiV8Ebp72c_6bYVyKd529oQgD9917URG2 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Franklin disparages Ralph and his pursuit of poetry (which Franklin talks about as it were a disease) a few pages later when he writes: ?The Transaction fix?d Ralph in his Resolution of becoming a poet. I did all I could to dissuade him from it, but he continued scribbling Verses, till Pope cured him.? ? James Ralph who later became a political writer (an infinitely more economically rewarding career path) and the reason why he quit pursuing poetry is that Alexander Pope (Ralph had earlier defended some writers that Pope attacked) wrote the following about him for later editions of the Dunciad. ? ?? Silence, ye Wolves! While Ralph to Cynthia howls. ?? And makes night hideous-Answer him ye owls. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The multimedia series--with video interviews, articles, and a long list of poetry specials--generated a 92 percent increase in sales of Sylvia Plath poetry and a 300 percent increase in sales of John Donne (pictured, via) poetry. http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/publishing/bbc_poetry_series_drives_sales_119956.asp Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Jun 25 14:52:16 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:52:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Farrah Fawcett In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4A57BB428226491EAE549818B5DB1E27@win.louisiana.edu> I was amazed several years ago (decades?) when I saw her in a film and found out she could act. (After Charlie's Angels, which had a title almost as buffed and vacuous as Fawcett's name, I would never have guess her to be any good.) In fact, she was significantly good in a number of roles if I remember correctly. It wasn't as quite as surprising as seeing Nicole Kidman's performance in The Hours. But she was a good actress. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:41 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Farrah Fawcett In a message dated 6/25/2009 1:21:26 PM Central Daylight Time, anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: I didn't know anything of her cancer, or that she was still alive, even if when I recognized her, I always liked her, and it is sad to see such a beautiful woman leave: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/arts/television/26fawcett.html?hp There was a self-produced documentary on CBS a month or so back. It caught quite a bit of flak, but I thought much of it was very touching. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jun 25 14:58:30 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:58:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan Message-ID: <00EC1B2D-E7DA-46E6-BBE3-2A12EB6087C1@ripon.edu> One of the best pieces I've read about William Logan as a critic appears in Joel Brouwer's latest review in Poetry: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=236882 A snippet: "In his ?Verse Chronicle? Logan again and again reviews poets who write the same poem again and again, and again and again reiterates identical criticisms. Logan ?nds Charles Wright?s Buffalo Yoga (2004) formally shapeless and faux-sagacious in tone, and says so in many different ways. . . . And by the way, do you know what Logan thought of Wright?s Appalachia, back in 1999? Why, he thought that the poems were ?mere sketchings and jottings; and without titles it would be difficult to tell where one poem ends and another begins.? Wright isn?t the only poet who receives this must-touch-the-doorknob- twenty-times-before-bed monomaniacal attention from Logan. Pretty much every time John Ashbery, Billy Collins, Rita Dove, Jorie Graham, Robert Hass, Ted Kooser, Sharon Olds, Robert Pinsky, Adrienne Rich, Gary Snyder, Mark Strand, or Derek Walcott publishes a book of poems, no matter how undistinguished or indistinguishable from its predecessor, Logan will review it, and he will say roughly the same things about it that he said about the last one, and, not infrequently, he will also complain, in the same way he did last time, about how repetitive this once-interesting poet has become. " ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Jun 25 15:08:41 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:08:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: <00EC1B2D-E7DA-46E6-BBE3-2A12EB6087C1@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Funny. Are old men destined to be only old? I hope not. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:59 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan One of the best pieces I've read about William Logan as a critic appears in Joel Brouwer's latest review in Poetry: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=236882 A snippet: "In his ?Verse Chronicle? Logan again and again reviews poets who write the same poem again and again, and again and again reiterates identical criticisms. Logan ?nds Charles Wright?s Buffalo Yoga (2004) formally shapeless and faux-sagacious in tone, and says so in many different ways. . . . And by the way, do you know what Logan thought of Wright?s Appalachia, back in 1999? Why, he thought that the poems were ?mere sketchings and jottings; and without titles it would be difficult to tell where one poem ends and another begins.? Wright isn?t the only poet who receives this must-touch-the-doorknob-twenty-times-before-bed monomaniacal attention from Logan. Pretty much every time John Ashbery, Billy Collins, Rita Dove, Jorie Graham, Robert Hass, Ted Kooser, Sharon Olds, Robert Pinsky, Adrienne Rich, Gary Snyder, Mark Strand, or Derek Walcott publishes a book of poems, no matter how undistinguished or indistinguishable from its predecessor, Logan will review it, and he will say roughly the same things about it that he said about the last one, and, not infrequently, he will also complain, in the same way he did last time, about how repetitive this once-interesting poet has become. " ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:35:00 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room In-Reply-To: <8CBC3E94E35AC07-1528-106D@mblk-m27.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC3E94E35AC07-1528-106D@mblk-m27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906251335u45b0b509w1923d488a766b2c5@mail.gmail.com> Not that this should really matter, but I recognized only one name under "Poetry." None on the Home page. But one can be a "Red Room Rising Star"! - Jim On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Like Facebook for writers?... > > http://www.redroom.com/members-genre/22/6867 > ________________________________ > Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From AlMaginnes at aol.com Thu Jun 25 16:39:39 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:39:39 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room Message-ID: I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of poems there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm concerned. Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled stars. -- Jim, collapsed star ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:55:15 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:55:15 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906251355l5c7b7217rc8bdad9b703a15ca@mail.gmail.com> There is someone similar here in Italy, Vittorio Sgarbi, and warmly paid art critic - quite intelligent, well educated. We were talking about him today, and there is a joke that goes, he is so "incontinent" that if he starts pissing he never stops. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM, wrote: > He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever > managed. > > ------------------------------ > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipesfor the grill. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. Dang, how'd I miss you? You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm concerned. Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled stars. -- Jim, collapsed star ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When he writes an appreciation of a dead poet he likes (like Frost), he can be well worth reading, and such essays demonstrate that he *can* display discrimination and nuance. Which never seem to show up in his New Criterion shotgun blasts. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:43 PM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever > managed. > > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any illumination is limited and, as the article says, repetitious. c From chris at chrislott.org Thu Jun 25 17:49:41 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:49:41 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: References: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Message-ID: And I should add that I have a lot of sympathy for people who just can't help picking at the same old scabs. I'm prone to it, most of the time for no good reason. Some people seem to be practically wired that way... others not so much. c On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, David Graham wrote: >> People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his >> barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd >> never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him >> funny?*or*?illuminatiing. > > Actually, for me it's just a matter of his often clever choice of > words and angle of attack. Any illumination is limited and, as the > article says, repetitious. > > c > From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 17:54:38 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:54:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> References: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CBC3F6AB579337-1528-14C9@mblk-m27.sysops.aol.com> I think I've said this before, but to me?Logan's reviews have become "schtick". It's hard for me to think of him as a real person or to take the reviews seriously. (I wonder is anyone on the list has studied with Logan or knows him well enough to say what's he's really like.)?I feel like we must?be dealing with a?'persona critic', the comedy club heckler who was good enough to be invited onstage to?do his creative cuts, kickin' ass?& takin' names with his acid-tongued comedic routines. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 5:37 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan Yes, when Brouwer made his metaphor about obsessive-compulsive disorder, something snapped into place for me; I think he nails Logan exactly. People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him funny?*or*?illuminatiing.?? For?me?it's?not?even?a?matter?of?right?or?wrong,?in?terms?of?aesthetics.??Logan?likes?a?lot?of?poetry?that?I?also?like,?and?vice?versa.??The?problem?I?have?is?that?there?is?a?point?where?a?failure?of?generosity?becomes?a?failure?of?intelligence.??He?passed?that?point?long?ago,?at?least?in?his?reviews.?? When?he?writes?an?appreciation?of?a?dead?poet?he?likes (like Frost),?he?can?be?well?worth?reading,?and?such?essays?demonstrate?that?he?*can*?display?discrimination?and?nuance.??Which?never?seem?to?show?up?in?his?New?Criterion?shotgun?blasts. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:43 PM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever managed. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 21:58:59 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:58:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One for MJ by way of the last earthly King Message-ID: <8CBC418CE850475-FA8-16FC@webmail-dx01.sysops.aol.com> Memphis ? ??????????????? (EAP, d. 8/17/1977) ? Sometimes when I?m bored by my own sins ? I slip on my old falcon helmet & drive the still glistening pink chariot Beyond these lonely gates of grace ? & down into a land the books call Memphis ? Where the shadows of the pyramids Still fall along Beale Street from a distance Halfway around our once-and-future world ? I fasten on the twin gold-plated Sun discs ? To my helmet?s stereo earplates So I can listen to those tender sexual prayers The King kindly left to us ? & with the bass line pounding I push the horses ? Of the Caddy up close to the raving red line & past Until the trees themselves are screaming by Oh Mother Isis Mother Gladys ? I miss those days he?d shoot out the blank eyes ? Of all those static gods around us saying Now Horus just watch how the vapor of their minds Blows through the room as delicately as night ? & as he put down the .44 ? He?d start the low part of our gospel harmony To Swing low, sweet chariot, coming for to? & we?d fall apart laughing just the way we would ? As boys off playing in the papyrus reeds waving ? Along the riverbanks in spring? & after I wrapped his cold body in silk windings Then hid him beneath the earth of the te mple grounds ? I watched his ka fly suddenly everywhere its melody ? Striking the leaves & long chords of sunlight Until even the wood of his mandolins blistered With tears of clear resin & the silent mockingbirds cried ? Later I found the list of duties he?d left each of us ? Open on that ebony grand piano exactly Where his favorite hymnal should have been To Ettore still in mourning in Milan he?d charged ? With the perfection of the espresso pot & other ? Privileged sacraments of the spirit?s design To his silky priestesses and devoted bodily servants He?d left a catalog of scandals to reveal at will ? In order to make him seem more desperately human ? & thereby to stage his eventual return to this world As utterly miraculous??? ????????& to me of course He left the holy hologram machine ? The one no larger than a doctor?s black bag ? I carry with me everywhere so that when the time Seems right to me I can raise his image anywhere Anywhere at all in this world ? Maybe in a restaurant or on a busy street corner ? Or even across the tired eyelids of a hairdresser As she bends above her first customer of the day Suddenly jerking awake as she?s consumed ? By the lake of memory which is his love washing ? Over her like the echo of his unforgivable voice0A I do this for love as well as duty I do this to remind them that their Osiris ? Is never far from them & never beyond The daily accident of their simplest devotions This is my job the one he left for me To keep a world so desperate for faith alive ? With the single possibility & hope that his wild Living sneer & wink Will give us back the very things we still desire Those bodies we once threw so recklessly away ? The friends we sacrificed for other friends ? The pulse of that voice accompanying each of us The first time we did anything loving That really mattered & might still once again ? 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Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 23:50:19 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:50:19 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] BG Flash: Bemsha Swing notices a vizpory Message-ID: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think Ull?n is the exception)... http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 02:09:07 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:09:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... > > > Celebrity > > > Farrah was dead. > The paparazzi descended > on the Malibu compound > of her famous lover, > trying to get a shot, a single tear > finding that rivulet of wrinkle > on of his puffy but still handsome face. > > Just as Ryan rose from the couch, > their cell phones started to ring, > and by the time he strode firmly > down the driveway to the front gate, > steady, ready to deliver his final thoughts > about Farrah?s beauty and her life, > > the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. > Michael Jackson was dead. > They had to get to Neverland. > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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He lived his fictions, died his reality Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion Archangel to many visions He stands at the threshold of changing myths -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 26 08:12:09 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:12:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] BG Flash: Bemsha Swing notices a vizpory In-Reply-To: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A44BB19.6090806@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think > Ull?n is the exception)... > http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Jim--I can use Mayhew's text in my own blog entry for today. It annoyed me a great deal. Here it is, in full: "Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think Ull?n is the exception) is that it doesn't have a strong visual sensibility behind it. It might have a typographer's sensibility (if you're lucky) but not a painter's sensibility." I would be annoyed with this even if he had said, "What I admire about a lot of visual poetry is that is has a strong visual sensibility behind it." What's stupid about it is that he gives no examples of the kind of visual poetry he is discussing. He doesn't even name a few visual poets whose works lack the visual sensibility he's talking about. And he's just expressing a subjective opinion. Ironically, I'm in the process of writing a series of columns on the state of current American visual poetry for /Small Press Review/ in which I contend that a characteristic of it is that, in general, it has little /verbal/ sensibility behind it--it relies, in my view, too much on what it does visually. Mayhew also fails to appreciate that what visual poetry (as I define it) mainly does is neither visual nor verbal but a combination of the two. The verbal and visual content of many of the best visual poems is uninteresting--except inasmuch as what they do in combination. Classic example (by Eugen Gomringer): silence silence silence silence silence silence silence silence Visually, just a box, verbally, just a word, repeated seven times. As a visual poem, terrific, for those capable of appreciating visiopoetic metaphors. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 07:27:05 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:27:05 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Russian volcano from space In-Reply-To: <955359.31366.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> <955359.31366.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906260427j3c5db900lb30150f81d3e4dfd@mail.gmail.com> These are incredible shots, and this one particularly. 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Or at least humbled > stars. > > -- Jim, collapsed star > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 09:11:58 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:11:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room In-Reply-To: References: <648208b60906251347s224cb64bs19676d9595e95894@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906260611l3cdd4fccodcd5f906f5437623@mail.gmail.com> Every night we see but a very small fraction of the stars that exist. - Jim On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > I am also Redroomed:?http://www.redroom.com/user/obododimma > Visiting and updating my page once in a while. I think it is a great place > to be. > -- Obododimma. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, James Cervantes > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: >> > I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of >> > poems >> > there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. >> >> Dang, how'd I miss you? ?You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm >> concerned. >> >> Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. ?Or at least humbled >> stars. >> >> -- Jim, collapsed star >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 805 350 6604; > ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 808 264 8060. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jun 26 09:14:30 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:14:30 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] He Lived His Fictions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> I like this one. Obododimma Oha wrote: > > He Lived His Fictions > > (for Michael Jackson) > > by > > Obododimma Oha > > artitude > , http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html > > > He lived his fictions, charmed moonwalker > > Now frozen in the crescendo of his song > > > > Many selves of lyrics embodied, disembodied, re-embodied > > Yield, ecstasies, like this flexible > > > > Was this self yourself? > > Was this other in order? > > Was this self selfless in melting hearts with ghostliness? > > > > He lived his fictions, died his reality > > Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion > > > > Archangel to many visions > > He stands at the threshold of changing myths > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From obodooha at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 10:28:03 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:28:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] He Lived His Fictions In-Reply-To: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> References: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> Message-ID: Thanks a lot. -- Obododimma. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:14 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > I like this one. > > Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> >> He Lived His Fictions < >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html> >> (for Michael Jackson) >> >> by >> >> Obododimma Oha >> >> artitude < >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html>, >> >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html >> >> >> >> He lived his fictions, charmed moonwalker >> >> Now frozen in the crescendo of his song >> >> >> Many selves of lyrics embodied, disembodied, re-embodied >> >> Yield, ecstasies, like this flexible >> >> >> Was this self yourself? >> >> Was this other in order? >> >> Was this self selfless in melting hearts with ghostliness? >> >> >> He lived his fictions, died his reality >> >> Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion >> >> >> Archangel to many visions >> >> He stands at the threshold of changing myths >> >> >> -- >> Obododimma Oha >> http://udude.wordpress.com/ >> >> Dept. of English >> University of Ibadan >> Nigeria >> >> & >> >> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >> University of Ibadan >> >> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >> +234 805 350 6604; >> +234 808 264 8060. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:11 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > Every night we see but a very small fraction of the stars that exist. > > - Jim > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > > I am also Redroomed: http://www.redroom.com/user/obododimma > > Visiting and updating my page once in a while. I think it is a great > place > > to be. > > -- Obododimma. > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > >> > I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of > >> > poems > >> > there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. > >> > >> Dang, how'd I miss you? You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm > >> concerned. > >> > >> Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled > >> stars. > >> > >> -- Jim, collapsed star > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > >> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > > Obododimma Oha > > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > > > Dept. of English > > University of Ibadan > > Nigeria > > > > & > > > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > > University of Ibadan > > > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > > +234 805 350 6604; > > +234 808 264 8060. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver his final thoughts about Farrah?s beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. ________________ _______________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts about Farrah's beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jun 26 14:07:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:07:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> point taken. stet it is. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. ? -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity ? My off the cuff occasional?poem has a factual error...I didn't realize Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts about Farrah?s beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. 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Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 14:49:51 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:49:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> Even his death is becoming a business. The N.Y.Times has it still centered on the front. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > point taken. stet it is. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > > How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they > drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied > thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [ > mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] > *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > > My off the cuff occasional poem has a factual error...I didn't realize > Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of > all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's > this morning. > There is a saying round here: > Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. > > As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... > > Celebrity > > > Farrah was dead. > The paparazzi descended > on the Malibu compound > of her famous lover, > trying to get a shot, a single tear > > finding that rivulet of wrinkle > on of his puffy but still handsome face. > > Just as Ryan rose from the couch, > their cell phones started to ring, > and by the time he strode firmly > down the driveway to the front gate, > steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts > about Farrah?s beauty and her life, > > the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. > Michael Jackson was dead. > They had to get to Neverland. > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: On e must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 14:52:59 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:52:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brand names never die. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Even his death is becoming a business. The N.Y.Times has it still centered > on the front. > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > >> point taken. stet it is. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Skip Fox >> Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm >> Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> >> How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they >> drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied >> thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [ >> mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] >> *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM >> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> >> My off the cuff occasional poem has a factual error...I didn't realize >> Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of >> all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's >> this morning. >> There is a saying round here: >> Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. >> >> As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: >> Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... >> >> Celebrity >> >> >> Farrah was dead. >> The paparazzi descended >> on the Malibu compound >> of her famous lover, >> trying to get a shot, a single tear >> >> finding that rivulet of wrinkle >> on of his puffy but still handsome face. >> >> Just as Ryan rose from the couch, >> their cell phones started to ring, >> and by the time he strode firmly >> down the driveway to the front gate, >> steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts >> about Farrah?s beauty and her life, >> >> the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. >> Michael Jackson was dead. >> They had to get to Neverland. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: On e must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of the roles Farrah chose were brave too, and she made these choices in the cluster-cloister that is Hollywood where most of the players have wooden brains. Or is that too insulting to trees. Anny's poem asks these questions and leaves us the rue and befuddlement of our cell phones ringing, our thoughts like digital display. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 03:58:06 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:58:06 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Patricia re Anny's poem In-Reply-To: References: <200906261257.n5QCvHrP031935@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906280058q21d159f2pa6eab4bfbe2c7e8c@mail.gmail.com> Dear Tom Kostro, thank you very much but it was James Finnegan's poem and I would also like to praise it. Have a nice Sunday, Anny On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Tom Kostro wrote: > Brava Ms Anny B! > fI love this poem , Celebrity. > By the way Ryan played a big > hot sex stud bad boy role in > Peyton Place. > Some of us teen aged girls > used to watch it on the sly > or our mothers did... > Anny's poem .is just sad and sharp enough. > Wry, dry, snappy. > ANd Neverland is perfect. > Who was Farrah, the poem seems to ask... > yet she was > brave somehow and > vulnerable and an object > who is any object of beauty > of morbid curiosity , whose > body parts are on display > by her choice or the culture > who pays for her display. > Who was Cleopatra? > > Some of the roles Farrah chose > were brave too, and she > made these choices in the > cluster-cloister that is Hollywood > where most of the players > have wooden brains. > > Or is that too insulting to trees. > Anny's poem asks these questions > and leaves us the rue and befuddlement > of our cell phones ringing, our thoughts > like digital display. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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The singers sit, and we pass the peace, wrapped in thick arms, ample bosoms, and I start to think maybe God is a woman of color, and that She loves us, in spite of our pale selves, so far away from who we should really be. Parishioners give testimonials, a deacon speaks of his sister, who's "gone home," and I realize he doesn't mean back to Georgia, but that she's passed over. I float on this sweet certainty, of a return not to the bland confection of wispy clouds and angels in nightshirts, but to childhood's kitchen, a dew-drenched June morning, roses tumbling by the back porch. The preacher mounts the lectern, tells us he's been up since four working at his other job, the one that pays the bills, and he delivers a sermon that lightens the heart, unencumbered by dogma and theology. For the benediction, we all join hands, visitors and strangers enfolded in the whole, like raisins in sweet batter. We step through the door into the stunning sunshine, and our hearts lift out of our chests, tiny birds flying off to light in the redbuds, to sing and sing and sing. "The VCCA Fellows Visit the Holiness Baptist Church, Amherst, Virginia" by Barbara Crooker, from *Line Dance*. ? Word Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That may be fine for reading the average blog but something essential is lost when ingesting words is all about speed. My thousand-year story is an antidote. Given the printing process I?ve used, you can?t take in more than one word per century. That?s even slower than reading Proust. Keywords Jonathan Keats; Opium Magazine Posted by Menachem Kaiser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 13:10:30 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:10:30 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] more adventures in conceptualist lit In-Reply-To: <8CBC6D8EDC3D47B-C60-58BF@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC6D8EDC3D47B-C60-58BF@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906291010v7636d541g49dbcae5a56aafdb@mail.gmail.com> That is quite conceptual. I also liked the lonely comment: I'll just wait for the movie... On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > I think Dale Smith was proposing 'slow poetry' but here we have a really, > really slow short-short story... > > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/06/the-long-nine-words.html > June 24, 2009 > The Long Nine Words Jonathan Keats, a San Francisco conceptual artist, has > written a nine-word story that should take approximately a thousand years to > read. In celebration of the infinity issue of *Opium*magazine, Keats used a double layer of black ink with an incrementally > screened overlay masking the words. Over the next thousand years, exposure > to ultraviolet light will gradually reveal the story, one word per century. > He explained his rationale > : > > Like most people, I live my life in a rush, consuming media on the run. > That may be fine for reading the average blog but something essential is > lost when ingesting words is all about speed. My thousand-year story is an > antidote. Given the printing process I?ve used, you can?t take in more than > one word per century. That?s even slower than reading Proust. > > Keywords > > 0A > - Jonathan Keats; > > - Opium Magazine > > Posted by Menachem Kaiser > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jun 29 13:19:41 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:19:41 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? Message-ID: Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now that it's been given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I find I like the idea of the method of making poems much more than most of the poems themselves. For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly apropos to point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf c From pmetres at jcu.edu Mon Jun 29 14:07:47 2009 From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Flarf Message-ID: <20090629140747.CPD20448@mirapoint.jcu.edu> Chris, on the Flarf thread, I personally find the methods, as you wrote, rather liberating--though they are largely genetic grandchildren of the surrealist/dadaist movements. Have read quite a number of the books, since a friend and college mate is part of the collective (Michael Magee), and am now friendly with a number of them. I have a great sympathy for the project, though like any poetic movement, there is a lot of redundancy, false starts, herd mentality, ranks and files. I've actually taught ANNOYING DIABETIC BITCH and though I still cringe to think of that choice (one of the poems is called "Ass Vagina") we got into an important debate about what poetry has been is, and could be. Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com "Those of us who had imagination circuits built can look in someone's face and see stories there; to everyone else, a face will be just a face." Kurt Vonnegut From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 14:09:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> A satire dressed with a mixture of e/motional textures that go from the last burps of post-modernist creativity to the ecological stances of recycling. What can I tell you, these are the times. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now that it's been > given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I find I like > the idea of the method of making poems much more than most of the > poems themselves. > > For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly apropos to > point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jun 29 14:20:08 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:20:08 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If that's what they're doing, as opposed to what they or others have spent time saying they are doing, then my hats off to them :) I've been asking people over the weekend. Not that I know a lot of people. But it's interesting how many people comment on the making and the reasons that may be behind it, but very few actually come out and say they enjoyed this or that poem. It's curious. c On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > A satire dressed with a mixture of e/motional textures that go from the last > burps of post-modernist creativity to the ecological stances of recycling. > What can I tell you, these are the times. From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 14:42:41 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:42:41 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: my secret kitty is a flarf-y critique of flarf (and also the closely related translation engine games) http://www.ahadadabooks.com -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 01:44:49 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:44:49 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] poets of concision Message-ID: maybe its the brevitian school... anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... c From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 04:15:28 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:15:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] poets of concision In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> Cunningham? Chris Lott wrote: > maybe its the brevitian school... > > anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being > concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? > > Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 08:25:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:25:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Cunningham? > > Chris Lott wrote: >> maybe its the brevitian school... >> >> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >> >> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... about the Establishment. It never occurs to you guys to mention the names of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead and near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. --Bob From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:41:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:41:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob, it might or might not mollify you to know I originally had an aside about Saroyan's lighght and Grenier... and the author whose name I can't remember of the "tundra" poem that we once discussed. All three of which I learned of from you. But then I was worried it would be taken the wrong way, and it was late. And I knew we'd discussed these before. It also seems a bit premature to characterize "you guys" based on one response... unless you mean literally TheOldMole and myself. In which case I plead guilty that my mind still thinks first of mainstream poets, of which I have many that I am admittedly fond of. But if I knew the answer to my own question in advance I probably wouldn't ask the question. I'm student not sensei. At any rate, I asked the question in good faith-- I try to be open to whatever answers I get to such queries by at least reading poems or selections from the poets. So perhaps instead of berating someone who's trying to learn... I'm just sayin'. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> >> Cunningham? >> >> Chris Lott wrote: >>> >>> maybe its the brevitian school... >>> >>> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >>> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >>> >>> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > > about the Establishment. ?It never occurs to you guys to mention the names > of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead and > near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 10:42:04 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone that Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little different. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Cunningham? >> >> Chris Lott wrote: >>> maybe its the brevitian school... >>> >>> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >>> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >>> >>> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > about the Establishment. It never occurs to you guys to mention the > names of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead > and near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 10:45:47 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:45:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) Message-ID: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:47:27 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:47:27 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Message-ID: Thanks for mentioning Kennedy. You are right that I wouldn't have thought of him though once you brought him up it made perfect sense. Another that was mentioned to me in person (it's so weird to talk to people without a keyboard) was William Ferraiolo, though from the outside it appears that he is more prose aphorist than poet (obviously not mutually exclusive pursuits). c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:42 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would never > have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on this list -- to > mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't hear me griping. My > thought was rather tham mention someone that Grumman is sure to mention, > maybe I'll bring up someone a little different. From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:47:58 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:47:58 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot somewhere, Agent G. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 10:49:33 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:49:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems Message-ID: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my new iTouch. A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is Walt Whitman. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:01:47 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems In-Reply-To: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday morn I pass'd the church; Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one of the wrists around my head; Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells last night under my ear. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" wrote: > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing > on my new iTouch. > > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's > list is Walt Whitman. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 12:22:02 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:22:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A3BAA.1090608@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > Bob, it might or might not mollify you to know I originally had an > aside about Saroyan's lighght and Grenier... and the author whose name > I can't remember of the "tundra" poem that we once discussed. All > three of which I learned of from you. But then I was worried it would > be taken the wrong way, and it was late. And I knew we'd discussed > these before. > > It also seems a bit premature to characterize "you guys" based on one > response... unless you mean literally TheOldMole and myself. In which > case I plead guilty that my mind still thinks first of mainstream > poets, of which I have many that I am admittedly fond of. But if I > knew the answer to my own question in advance I probably wouldn't ask > the question. I'm student not sensei. > > At any rate, I asked the question in good faith-- I try to be open to > whatever answers I get to such queries by at least reading poems or > selections from the poets. So perhaps instead of berating someone > who's trying to learn... > > I'm just sayin'. > > c > And I'm just griping. --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:21:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:21:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Just concise enough. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot > somewhere, Agent G. > > c > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > > > > > > David Graham > > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > > Home page: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 12:33:17 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:33:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would > never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on > this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't > hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone that > Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little > different. The point is that you were discussing poets considered composers of brief poems but seemed to be stuck in--brace yourselves, Wilshberia--so were acting as though those outside Wilshberia who have composed poems at least one order of magnitude more concise than any of the poets you named have did not exist. But I'll agree I'm hyper-sensitive about this. --Bob From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:32:39 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:32:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4B2C3E76-786A-439F-BF71-22CF8E4EAC5A@ripon.edu> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:29 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > But I'll agree I'm hyper-sensitive about this. > > --Bob --------------------------- And will you also agree that water is wet? David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From editor at pavementsaw.org Tue Jun 30 11:32:43 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? Message-ID: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Chris-- We published the first book of flarf. Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_. His was followed by Mike Magee's _MS_ and Kasey's _Deer Head Nation_. Those three I liked tremendously. They were fun but still sensible. Except for a sparse group, I have a sense that intelligent commandeering of google has not remained a facet; various web based materials I have read by other flarfists have been tiring, barely edited, or poorly edited, text. Brief liveliness, but mostly dry text, awkwardly co-opted from other sources, flowing with random breaks, lacking line break skills. Often, newer material is thinly veiled racism and sexism also. Poetry has started to understand that by pulling in the small sub-sets that generate interest they maintain an audience. Many of their themes are smartly engineered and suddenly there is a possibility for re-appearance of the forgotten. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > From: Chris Lott > Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? > To: Cafe-Blue ,??? > "NewPoetry: Contemporary > ??? Poetry News &,??? > Views" > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now > that it's been > given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I > find I like > the idea of the method of making poems much more than most > of the > poems themselves. > > For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly > apropos to > point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 11:33:59 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> Beautiful but not tiny. Graham, David wrote: > > > > I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last > Sunday morn I pass'd the church; > > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I > heard your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so > mournful; > > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I > heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, > through one of the wrists around my head; > > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little > bells last night under my ear. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > wrote: > >> >> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on >> my new iTouch. >> >> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's >> list is Walt Whitman. >> >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 11:41:55 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A3243.9030707@opus40.org> What? I named one poet. That's a monstrous bit of generalization from there. Here's another, which probably won't resuscitate my reputation in your eyes: Witter Bynner. His last poems, written when he was nearly blind, in crayon and in longhand and in one draft, with very few words. Here's one. *ALL tempest* Has Like a navel A hole in its middle Through which a gull may fly In silence Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It >> would never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people >> on this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you >> don't hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone >> that Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little >> different. > The point is that you were discussing poets considered composers of > brief poems but seemed to be stuck in--brace yourselves, > Wilshberia--so were acting as though those outside Wilshberia who have > composed poems at least one order of magnitude more concise than any > of the poets you named have did not exist. But I'll agree I'm > hyper-sensitive about this. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:48:49 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:48:49 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Deer Head Nation is almost formal; Kasey reads the punctuation as noise, for example. Ara Shirinyan's work is interesting, too -- Syria is in the World. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:53:29 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:53:29 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: [NetBehaviour] Society of the Query conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thought this might be interesting to talk about together with flarf; as you know, different flarfists have different levels of knowledge about what search engines do -- but a number of poets here in LA, for example, work for google... Society of the Query conference: 13 - 14 November 2009 Location: Trouw Amsterdam Organized by the Institute of Network Cultures More info and material on: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/query/ In the information society the current reality is an increasing dependence on technological resources to create order and to find meaning in a gigantic quantity of online data. Searching has surpassed browsing and surfing as main activity on the web. This development turned the search engine into our most significant point of reference. Its focus on efficiency and expansion of services tends to veil the nature of the technology as well as underlying (corporate) ideologies. In this query driven society, The Society of the Query conference seeks to analyze what impact our reliance on resources to manage knowledge on the Internet has on our culture. The theory of a semantic web lurking around the corner revives the ?human vs. artificial intelligence?-debate. The centralizing web demands to critically question the distribution of power, the diversity and accessibility of web content, while promising alternatives for the dominant paradigm surface in peer-to-peer and open source initiatives. Finally, the question arises what role politics and education, after having invested substantially in media intelligence, can play in the creation of an informed users? group. For two days, the Society of the Query conference aims to zoom in on some of the essential themes surrounding web search by critical analysis and the contextualization of developments in interface design and the organization of knowledge. The Institute of Network Cultures seeks to achieve this specifically by uniting researchers, theorists, activists, artists and professionals working in this area and by creating a platform for not only realized projects and recent research, but also for open questions and predictions. Conference Themes Society of the Query Digital Civil Rights and Media Literacy Alternative Search (1) Art and the Engine Googlization of Everyday Life Alternative Search (2) Society of the Query Because the web lacks editorial monitoring, we have become more dependent on technological resources when trying to find meaningful content within the vast amount of data on the web. Traditional methods to decide what information is valuable and useful are absent. In recent years, people have become increasingly dissatisfied by Google?s PageRank-algorithm, which is based of the popularity of a web page. Also, new semantic layers have been added to the principal architecture of the web. This conference session will focus on ?searching? on the level of the software and will discuss the notion of the organization of knowledge within the theoretical framework of the humanities and computer science. Questions to be discussed in this session include: What is the history of the organization of knowledge? Which ideologies make up the foundations for ?the concept ?of ?ontology?? And, what role will human expertise play in the era of ?machine understanding?? Moderator: Geert Lovink Speakers: ?* Yann Moulier Boutang (F), editor of Multitude?s special issue on Google (May 2009). ?* Matteo Pasquinelli (NL), Author of Animal Spirits (2008) and Google?s PageRank: Diagram of the Cognitive Capitalism and Rentier of the Common Intellect? (2009). ?* Teresa Numerico (IT), (PhD in History of Science) is a researcher in Philosophy of Science at the University of Salerno, where she teaches New Media. ?* David Gugerli (CH), author of ?Suchmaschinen ? Die Welt als Datenbank? (2009). Digital Civil Rights and Media Literacy In 2005, John Batelle characterized Google as a ?database of intents?: a valuable archive of individual and collective wishes. As the number of services offered by search engines is expanding, large amounts of personal information are gathered, stored and used for commercial purposes. The current technological climate seems to be one in which the user is virtually unaware of who or what is behind the web applications they use on a daily basis. Questions to be discussed in this session include: How does the intermediary function of search engines threaten digital civil rights such as the right to privacy and freedom of expression? What role can politics play in protecting these rights? How can the way search engines are designed aid to protecting our autonomy? How will the legal framework concerning search engines be shaped? And, after substantial investments in media intelligence, how are these matters raised on a national and European level? Moderator: Caroline Nevejan Speakers: ?* Nart Villeneuve (CA), Open Net Initiative. ?* Joris van Hoboken (NL), doctoral candidate at the Institute for Information Law at the University of Amsterdam. His research focuses on digital civil rights and the legal framework concerning search engines. ?* Ippolita Collective (IT), Italian collective that recently published ?Luci e Ombre di Google? (2007), available in English as ?The Dark Side of Google?. Alternative Search (1) In response to a growing interest in alternative methods to search the web, this session will focus on three ?genres? of alternatives on the level of the user, the software and the network ? represented and compared by researchers. The first genre that is attended to will include the upcoming ?general purpose?-search engine, a search engine designed specifically with large audiences and competition with Google in mind. The second genre will focus on search methods that disregard the ?engine? as dominant paradigm. How promising are, for example, peer- to-peer and open source technologies with regards to the current search conditions and which alternatives for commercial and centralizing methods have already emerged? The third and final genre consists of specialized search engines, mostly targeting specific content. What can we learn, for instance, from search methods within certain web spheres, such as the blogosphere, or the flourishing area of mobile search? And, how is the field of visual search developing, looking beyond the tag as systematizing principle? Moderator: Eric Sieverts Speakers: ?* Matthew Fuller (UK), Goldsmiths College, will discuss alternative search engines and interventions within the field of artists. ?* Cees Snoek/Marcel Worring (NL), University of Amsterdam, focuses on visual search engines, competitions between universities in the US and Amsterdam, assignment for the search engine: find the red hat in the movie as fast as possible. ?* Ingmar Weber (NL/FR), post doctorate researcher in information retrieval at the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne in Switzerland. His doctoral research focused on efficient data structures and applications for an interactive search engine called ?CompleteSearch?. Art and the Engine Even during the web?s early stages, artists used this platform to produce and distribute a extensive diversity of media such as animation, programming, video, audio and games. ?While in the last decennium we have witnessed a shift from the ?directory? towards the algorithm, it is the art database that has been refining the directory model for years. What influence does Google?s omnipresence have over the production and distribution of web based art? How does art criticism manifest itself in the era of Google? And, how the can online artistic experience be preserved and made easily findable? While examining these issues, the Institute of Network Cultures will invite representatives of some of the largest art databases, such as the Rhizome ArtBase and the Whitney ArtPort, to discuss the latest developments in the classification, annotation and visualization of web based art. Concentrating on the latest developments within the field of graphic design, art and the architecture of information, additionally this session will address potential outcomes of search result design. Questions to be discussed in this session include: How can we achieve more advanced forms of interface design and search result design? What role do graphic and visual representations play in the conveyance of digital information? Do alternatives exist that can challenge the ?ranked list? as dominant type of search result presentation? And, how would the interface be able to stimulate new and progressive ways for the user to search, find and analyze data? Moderator: Sabine Niederer Speakers: ?* Lev Manovich (USA), UCSD professor, media theorist and initiator of Software Studies. ?* Daniel van der Velden (NL), Metahaven Design Research is a design and research agency in Amsterdam, that researches the potential power of ?bridging nodes?, the peripheral nodes in a network, and is implementing this theory into a prototype for a new kind of search engine. ?* Christopher Bruno (FR), artist. Produces polymorphic art inspired by network phenomena and globalization regarding image and language. ?* Allessandro Ludovico (IT), thoughts on the aftermath of the Google Will Eat Itself project. Googlization of Everyday Life Questions to be discussed in this session include: In what way does the hegemony of some of the bigger search engines influence the flow of information and the diversity and accessibility of web content? How does the current division of power influence the administration of informational sources. And, what are the results of the Google BookSearch agreement? Introduction and moderation by Andrew Keen Speakers: ?* Siva Vaidhyanathan (US), culture historian and Associate Professor in Media Studies and Law at the University of Virginia. Authored publications include ?The Anarchist in the Library? (2004) and the forthcoming ?The Googlization of Everything? (early 2010). ?* Stefan Weber (Vienna) on the dangers of plagiarism and Google?s role in the decline of education. ?* Benjamin Edelman (US), How Google and Its Partners Inflate Measured Conversion Rates and Increase Advertisers? Costs. Flarf Performance Alternative Search (2) In response to a growing interest in alternative methods to search the web, this session will focus on three ?genres? of alternatives on the level of the user, the software and the network ? represented and compared by researchers. The first genre that is attended to will include the upcoming ?general purpose?-search engine, a search engine designed specifically with large audiences and competition with Google in mind. The second genre will focus on search methods that disregard the ?engine? as dominant paradigm. How promising are, for example, peer- to-peer and open source technologies with regards to the current search conditions and which alternatives for commercial and centralizing methods have already emerged? The third and final genre consists of specialized search engines, mostly targeting specific content. What can we learn, for instance, from search methods within certain web spheres, such as the blogosphere, or the flourishing area of mobile search? And, how is the field of visual search developing, looking beyond the tag as systematizing principle? Moderator: Richard Rogers Speakers: ?* Florian Cramer (Rotterdam), head of the Master of Arts in Media Design program at the Piet Zwart Institute/ Willem de Kooning Academy in Rotterdam. Authored publications include the essay ?Animals that Belong to the Emperor: Failing Universal Classification Schemes from Aristotle to the Semantic Web? (2007). ?* Europeana Thought Lab (The Hague), Semantic Search Engine for Europeana ?* Stephen Pemberton (Amsterdam), chairman of the XHTML2 Working Group at W3C and researcher at the Center for Mathematics and Computer Science in Amsterdam. Project Showcase This segment of the conference will consist of the exhibition of specific projects addressing the theme of the search engine, and will be divided into two parts. During the conference, a display of computers and screens will be available on which the latest generation of search engines is installed. The Institute of Network Cultures seeks to give visitors the opportunity to discover search engines such as Wolfram Alpha, Quaero, Theseus and Autonomy. This will provide them with hands-on experience of the range of search methods discussed in the conference sessions. Furthermore, the Institute of Network Cultures plans to organize a concluding evening program to do justice to the diversity of artistic and activist projects that examine the role of the search engine in contemporary society. The works presented in the evening program will vary from browser extensions, alternative search engines and net art projects to videos and VJ performances. It is aspired that artists and developers will be present during this showcase to discuss and elaborate on their work with the audience. -- Olga http://www.ungravitational.net http://virtualfirefly.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour at netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:59:52 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:59:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny poems In-Reply-To: <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> Message-ID: Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, they are long lines, yes. Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. A FARM PICTURE. Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. --Whitman ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Beautiful but not tiny. > > Graham, David wrote: >> >> >> >> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >> >> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I >> heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, >> through one of the wrists around my head; >> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing >> little bells last night under my ear. >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > > wrote: >> >>> >>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to >>> emailing on my new iTouch. >>> >>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on >>> everyone's list is Walt Whitman. >>> >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beacon Press, 1971. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! > Well, they are long lines, yes. > > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > A FARM PICTURE. > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >>> >>> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >>> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >>> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >>> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >>> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera? >>> I heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >>> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, >>> through one of the wrists around my head; >>> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing >>> little bells last night under my ear. >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to >>>> emailing on my new iTouch. >>>> >>>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on >>>> everyone's list is Walt Whitman. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Graham >>>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Home page: >>>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! > Well, they are long lines, yes. > > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > *A FARM PICTURE.* > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >>> >>> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >>> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >>> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >>> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >>> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I >>> heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >>> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through >>> one of the wrists around my head; >>> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little >>> bells last night under my ear. >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing >>>> on my new iTouch. >>>> >>>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's >>>> list is Walt Whitman. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Graham >>>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Home page: >>>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:37:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:37:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300937g1b0661e5x2ec24e264513de8e@mail.gmail.com> I also wanted to add to my previous remark: After Flarf, the New Renaissance. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > Deer Head Nation is almost formal; Kasey reads the punctuation as > noise, for example. > > Ara Shirinyan's work is interesting, too -- Syria is in the World. > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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And when Bob is done batting, and I should probably stop bobbing and weaving and taunting him as a bell-itcher, I hope he'll chime in too. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! ?Well, they > are long lines, yes. > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > A FARM PICTURE. > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > Beautiful but not tiny. > Graham, David wrote: > > > ? ? ? I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last? ? ? ? ? Sunday morn I > pass'd the church; > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I? ? ? ? ? heard your > long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so? ? ? ? ? mournful; > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I? ? ? ? ? heard the > soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low,? ? ? ? ? through one of > the wrists around my head; > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little? ? ? ? ? bells > last night under my ear. > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > wrote: > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my new > iTouch. > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is > Walt Whitman. > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:38:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:38:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> I tell you, David Graham knows what he is doing. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Just concise enough. > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > >> That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot >> somewhere, Agent G. >> >> c >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: >> > >> > >> > David Graham >> > Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> > ------------------------ >> > Home page: >> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:44:23 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:44:23 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> What about our old/new/dear Emily? They are all tiny poems. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > Out of print now but still available used is Robert Bly's anthology *The > Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of Tiny Poems,* from Beacon Press. Including, > as you might expect, a good many translations. > Lots of good stuff in it. Here's one I've loved for thirty-eight years, > and one I don't believe I've ever seen anthologized elsewhere. > > *At the Desk* > > I spent the entire day in official details; > And it almost pulled me down like the others: > I felt that tiny insane voluptuousness, > Getting this done, finally finishing that. > > --Theodor Storm, trans. Robert Bly. *The Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of > Tiny Poems*. ed. Robert Bly. Beacon Press, 1971. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, > they are long lines, yes. > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > *A FARM PICTURE.* > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > Beautiful but not tiny. > > Graham, David wrote: > > > > > I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday morn > I pass'd the church; > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your > long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard > the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one of > the wrists around my head; > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells > last night under my ear. > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" mailto:GrahamD at ripon.edu >> wrote: > > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my > new iTouch. > > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is > Walt Whitman. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:06:29 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But they're big tiny poems. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > What about our old/new/dear Emily? They are all tiny poems. > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Out of print now but still available used is Robert Bly's anthology *The >> Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of Tiny Poems,* from Beacon Press. Including, >> as you might expect, a good many translations. >> Lots of good stuff in it. Here's one I've loved for thirty-eight years, >> and one I don't believe I've ever seen anthologized elsewhere. >> >> *At the Desk* >> >> I spent the entire day in official details; >> And it almost pulled me down like the others: >> I felt that tiny insane voluptuousness, >> Getting this done, finally finishing that. >> >> --Theodor Storm, trans. Robert Bly. *The Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of >> Tiny Poems*. ed. Robert Bly. Beacon Press, 1971. >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >> Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, >> they are long lines, yes. >> Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. >> >> *A FARM PICTURE.* >> >> Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, >> A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, >> And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. >> >> --Whitman >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: >> >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >> >> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday >> morn I pass'd the church; >> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your >> long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard >> the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one >> of the wrists around my head; >> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells >> last night under my ear. >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu > >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > mailto:GrahamD at ripon.edu >> wrote: >> >> >> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my >> new iTouch. >> >> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is >> Walt Whitman. >> >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu > >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tell me under the shadow of the willow tree... c From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 13:10:18 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:10:18 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I tell you, David Graham knows what he is doing. Yeah, but does he have to be so loud and ostentatious about it? c From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 14:02:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:02:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] singing book Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301102v4a597143t842f6a272826ff1a@mail.gmail.com> also with Carol Novak: http://fr.calameo.com/read/000007739c1b68f2a353f -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 15:08:25 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:08:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu><4A4A3067.7020305@opu s40.org><80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu><4b65c2d70906300944o822 4e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> But they're big tiny poems. >> > > Big it's the new tiny. Or is that: big, it's the best kind of tiny? Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris. But above is part of my problem. No definition of terms. I immediately thought of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names. Part of my gripe had to do with the idea that what to me were pretty much standard lyric poets were being considered concisionists. Whitman later came up. Was Whitman ever concise? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who can't be? Sonnets are short. Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku too numerous to name. I think the school of conventional contemporary American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's in Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. Seems to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a few pages to his work in my book, /From Haiku To Lyriku/. 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AS NEEDED This will explain nearly everything: I'm a Great Man (in disguise) **** and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: NOT YET TITLED Overcoming overcoming *** vita brevis, SPX From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 14:19:07 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:19:07 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris.? But > above is part of my problem.? No definition of terms.? I immediately thought > of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names.? Part of my gripe had to > do with? the idea that what to me were? pretty much standard? lyric poets > were being? considered concisionists.? Whitman later came up.? Was Whitman > ever concise?? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who can't > be?? Sonnets are short. If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about taxonomy, not me. If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or brevity, by all means share it. David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- just that poem. > Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to > strive methodically for concision.? The imagists followed, then Williams. Thanks. > I have lots of favorites.? Among them are composers of conventional haiku > too numerous to name. I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. >I think the school of conventional contemporary > American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be.? It's in > Wishberia.? Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the > middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it.? Seems > to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far > mentioned.? I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles > that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin.? I devote quite a few > pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. Where can I get it? I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. It's that kind of thing that makes people so excited about new poetry. > > If this thread keeps going for a while, I'll find some of his poems to > quote. That'd be kind of you. But only if you don't have to deign to do it. c From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 14:39:59 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:39:59 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301139q24a8b736ic5d6be7b560685aa@mail.gmail.com> He'll have to reign to do it [oh, am I being blasphemous? -again] On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > > > Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris. > But > > above is part of my problem. No definition of terms. I immediately > thought > > of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names. Part of my gripe had > to > > do with the idea that what to me were pretty much standard lyric poets > > were being considered concisionists. Whitman later came up. Was > Whitman > > ever concise? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who > can't > > be? Sonnets are short. > > If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about > taxonomy, not me. If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or > brevity, by all means share it. > > David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a > brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- > just that poem. > > > Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to > > strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. > > Thanks. > > > I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku > > too numerous to name. > > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > > >I think the school of conventional contemporary > > American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's > in > > Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in > the > > middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. > Seems > > to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far > > mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles > > that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a > few > > pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. > > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me > are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts > to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed > and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 14:50:42 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:50:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Great and small Message-ID: Yet another sprawler who wrote good tiny poems was A. R. Ammons. In fact, he published an entire book collecting such mini-poems, titling it *The REALLY Short Poems of A. R. Ammons.* Here's one now: Their Sex Life One failure on Top of another. --A. R. Ammons ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 15:05:50 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:05:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who first strove for concision? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> Pound predated Archilocos? The sage-poets who first scratched proto-ideograms on Chinese tile? Hmmm. From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 15:12:30 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:12:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny Word-Square (a spell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mind idea nest data From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:22:54 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny Word-Square (a spell) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301222g15286486ja748ee88d2b82f14@mail.gmail.com> lovely, it reminded me of Daniel Zimmerman's Isotopes: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=202 otherwise a couple more here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=44 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > mind > idea > nest > data > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > Can't resist, here are two of mine > (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife > might say, is "just showing-out.") > > AS NEEDED > > This will explain nearly everything: I'm > a Great Man (in disguise) > > **** > > and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:44:57 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Great and small In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, well, if you're going to include him, then we might as well open the door to Ogden Nash, Dorothy Parker, and . . . oh, no . . . maybe even Calvin Trillin. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > Yet another sprawler who wrote good tiny poems was A. R. Ammons. In fact, > he published an entire book collecting such mini-poems, titling it *The > REALLY Short Poems of A. R. Ammons.* > Here's one now: > > * Their > Sex Life > > One failure on > Top of another. > --A. R. Ammons > * > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 15:47:16 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> Message-ID: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> W. S. 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Elegy Who would I show it to David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: > > Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 > > At the far end of candles > came a nun, flickering at her devotions > this early in the morning. > > > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks > wrote: > Can't resist, here are two of mine > (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife > might say, is "just showing-out.") > > AS NEEDED > > This will explain nearly everything: I'm > a Great Man (in disguise) > > **** > > and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:49:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:49:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Now you're confusing concision with brevity. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David wrote: > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > Elegy > > > Who would I show it to > > > > > > David GrahamGrahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: > > Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 > > At the far end of candles > came a nun, flickering at her devotions > this early in the morning. > > > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks < > barry.spacks at verizon.net> wrote: > >> Can't resist, here are two of mine >> (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife >> might say, is "just showing-out.") >> >> AS NEEDED >> >> This will explain nearly everything: I'm >> a Great Man (in disguise) >> >> **** >> >> and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: >> >> NOT YET TITLED >> >> Overcoming >> overcoming >> *** >> >> vita brevis, >> >> SPX >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 15:52:41 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:52:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <577C0856269A4533B404DD787C31D66E@win.louisiana.edu> To wit -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Graham, David Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:47 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. Elegy Who would I show it to David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 At the far end of candles came a nun, flickering at her devotions this early in the morning. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks < barry.spacks at verizon.net> wrote: Can't resist, here are two of mine (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife might say, is "just showing-out.") AS NEEDED This will explain nearly everything: I'm a Great Man (in disguise) **** and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: NOT YET TITLED Overcoming overcoming *** vita brevis, SPX _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:53:01 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:53:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Here's one du jour: Franken crankin' Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > Brilliant When Alone > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 15:58:27 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:58:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more concise form if you can. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David > wrote: > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > Elegy > > Who would I show it to > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:04:05 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> Message-ID: More concise Merwin: Who'd I show't to? Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Graham, David wrote: > I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more > concise form if you can. > > > > David GrahamGrahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < > GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: > >> W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. >> >> Elegy >> >> >> Who would I show it to >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 16:04:08 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <5DF4C1419CDF40CBAE8850285D9DBCAD@win.louisiana.edu> Elegy Who . . .how . . to -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Graham, David Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:58 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more concise form if you can. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: Now you're confusing concision with brevity. Hal On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: W. S. 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But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more > concise form if you can. > > > > > > > > David Graham > > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > > Home page: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < > GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: > > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > > > *Elegy* > > > > Who would I show it to > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> Here's one de la nuit: Franken stein On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Here's one du jour: > > Franken > crankin' > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > >> Brilliant When Alone >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:15 PM, David Graham wrote: > *The White Horse * > > The youth walks up to the white horse, to put its halter on > and the horse looks at him in silence. > They are so silent they are in another world. > > --D. H. Lawrence. *Selected Poems.* Ed. Kenneth Rexroth. Viking Press, > 1959. > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:26:39 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:26:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Make that Senator Franken stein Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Here's one de la nuit: > > Franken > stein > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Here's one du jour: >> >> Franken >> crankin' >> >> Hal >> >> "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. >> Those who count the ballots decide everything." >> --Joseph Stalin >> >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: >> >>> Brilliant When Alone >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Graham wrote: > Now you're confusing size with speed. . . . > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > What next, a tiny FedEx? > > Hal > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > . > > I told you I didn?t feel well. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 16:56:47 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:56:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 3: The Tombstone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30AB3662E0194B52B6815EAF598F970C@win.louisiana.edu> I hate it when you're right. (To A.E. 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Chapter 1: TheBumpersticker In-Reply-To: <69061720679E4C9788DE5122B9622772@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <82275E8991C043FFA47D3CC1BE254777@win.louisiana.edu> The Ride Bestrides Its Time (On a classic Olds?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:05:57 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 4: The Fortune Cookie In-Reply-To: <30AB3662E0194B52B6815EAF598F970C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: May all your children commit suicide. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:07:33 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:07:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1:TheBumpersticker In-Reply-To: <82275E8991C043FFA47D3CC1BE254777@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <846EFF1F96B745FBA4B100376390DE41@win.louisiana.edu> Nothing Succeeds Like Deceit (Sticker for Neo-Cons) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 17:08:53 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:08:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] American sentences Message-ID: <65651C84-6A83-4CFE-AF5C-DDC1AAD8ECBE@ripon.edu> Even that windbag Allen Ginsberg had an interest in brevity & possibly concision. He experimented with what he called American Sentences, which are simply 17-syllable sentences indebted to haiku. There's a pretty interesting web site devoted to the form. Here is Paul Nelson's essay on it: http://www.americansentences.com/about.html Kim Addonizio, in her how-to book *Ordinary Genius*, pushes the use of American Sentences as a kind of warm-up exercise for students, and as discipline in observation. Here's an example from Ginsberg: Tompkins Square Lower East Side N.Y. Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is Paul Nelson's essay on it: > > http://www.americansentences.com/about.html > > Kim Addonizio, in her how-to book *Ordinary Genius*, pushes the use of > American > Sentences as a kind of warm-up exercise for students, and as discipline in observation. > > Here's an example from Ginsberg: > > *Tompkins Square Lower East Side N.Y.* > > Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. > > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:15:42 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:15:42 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pina Bausch Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301415x22a8b37dl6b7aca76703a72ce@mail.gmail.com> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/pina-bausch-dies/?hpw one of my poems on her is being uploaded in these days online. She_ so sorry. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Which, unlike the Ferriaolo poems I mentioned earlier are more poetry > than aphorism... > > c > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Anny > Ballardini wrote: > > If you go there, then we have to mention our James Finnegan and his > > Ursprache. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Graham, David wrote: > I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more > concise form if you can. > > > > David GrahamGrahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < > GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: > >> W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. >> >> Elegy >> >> >> Who would I show it to >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to > more concise form if you can. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" > wrote: > >> Now you're confusing concision with brevity. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:39:01 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:39:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4A9405.6050707@opus40.org> Imagine a plot of land with a woman on it--not haphazardly, but as if planted, and not by you. This woman precedes your imagination. Watch out. She is leaving. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:47:29 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:47:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Flattery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4A9601.2070907@opus40.org> She's nobody. But, come to think of it...who are you? Graham, David wrote: > Nicest email come-on I've had in a long time: > > "Emily [Dickinson] added you as a friend on Facebook. We need to > confirm that you know Emily in order for you to be friends on Facebook." > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:50:33 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:50:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: References: <69061720679E4C9788DE5122B9622772@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A96B9.5070205@opus40.org> Beer...it's not just for breakfast anymore. David Graham wrote: > Once seen on a T-shirt: > > "Re-hab is for quitters" > > Once seen as a bumper sticker: > > "Meat is dead." > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > >> Leviticus Be Damned! >> >> (Or would that be better on a t-shirt?) >> >> _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:52:23 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:52:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny DHL In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4A6E0-F6C5-40BA-A521-9DB202836CE7@ripon.edu> <8DB560BB-103E-4C85-B5FB-50C5E85E1C45@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A9727.7040509@opus40.org> Whaddya mean? I sparkle out in left. Halvard Johnson wrote: > Now I'm really confused. I thought DHL was a league of > designated hitters, just a bunch of guys going up there > and taking their swings--sort of like NewPo, eh? > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Graham > wrote: > > Now you're confusing size with speed. . . . > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> What next, a tiny FedEx? >> >> Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:09:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:09:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny In-Reply-To: <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> How about Not Yet Titled NOT YET TITLED as a title? --Bob > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 19:12:43 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:12:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny In-Reply-To: <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60906301612h283b03f0r591f48300b32d777@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I thought you were referring to Skip Fox's bumper sticker. - Jim On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > How about > > Not Yet Titled > NOT YET TITLED > > as a title? > > --Bob > >> >> NOT YET TITLED >> >> Overcoming >> overcoming >> *** >> >> vita brevis, >> >> SPX >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:30:32 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:30:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu><80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu><4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris. But >> above is part of my problem. No definition of terms. I immediately thought >> of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names. Part of my gripe had to >> do with the idea that what to me were pretty much standard lyric poets >> were being considered concisionists. Whitman later came up. Was Whitman >> ever concise? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who can't >> be? Sonnets are short. >> > > If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about > taxonomy, not me. The problem with ignoring definitions (not taxonomy) is that you are merely asking people to tell us who their favorite poets are. Not too interesting. > If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or > brevity, by all means share it. > > David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a > brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- > just that poem. > Fine--someone who composed a brief but not concise poem. > >> Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to >> strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. >> > > Thanks. > > >> I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku >> too numerous to name. >> > > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously. Add "them all" if you don't like ellipses. > >> I think the school of conventional contemporary >> American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's in >> Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the >> middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. Seems >> to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far >> mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles >> that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a few >> pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. >> > > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > Yeeks, you can order it from me. $10, ppd. I'd love to send it to you free but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps. Minor but expensive recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. > I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me > are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts > to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed > and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. It's that kind of thing that > makes people so excited about new poetry. > I think you're over-reacting to a minor gripe. > If this thread keeps going for a while, I'll find some of his poems to > quote. > > > That'd be kind of you. But only if you don't have to deign to do it. > > c > Sorry, Chris. I'm really tired. I really don't feel myself above doing it, I feel myself just too tired to (and consider it a fault, my body being me). But here's a Martone: follow the highest bird note to a bare stone place 2 more: kitchen breezes children water color! * * * perfect rain-rings each moment in next-door's puddle but those 3 children can't come out Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them. They appear usually in booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:33:23 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:33:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who first strove for concision? In-Reply-To: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> References: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4A4AAED3.8030200@nut-n-but.net> Skip Fox wrote: > Pound predated Archilocos? The sage-poets who first scratched > proto-ideograms on Chinese tile? Hmmm. of modern times in English From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 19:34:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:34:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> <4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > > See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously.? Add "them all" > if you don't like ellipses. I think perhaps you are reading me wrong. This is just simple logic. The phrase "too numerous to name" must have an implied "them all" after it because unless you have no time at all, you have time to list "some" or one (as you did). It's a phrase that's never made sense to me. > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > Yeeks, you can order it from me.? $10, ppd.? I'd love to send it to you free > but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps.? Minor but expensive > recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. Backchannel me your snail mail address-- or paypal email if you do that-- and I'll order! Thanks a lot for the following! > > But here's a Martone: > > follow > the > highest > > bird note > to > a bare > > stone > place > > > 2 more: > > kitchen breezes > children > water color! > > * * * > > perfect > rain-rings > > each > moment > in > > next-door's > puddle > but > > those 3 > > children > can't > come out > > > Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them.? They appear usually in > booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. It's very hard to find that kind of physical object up here, and not much easier online! c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:56:25 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:56:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu><80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9 FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu><4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net><4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4AB439.9050704@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >> I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to >> name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. >> >> See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously. Add "them all" >> if you don't like ellipses. >> > > I think perhaps you are reading me wrong. This is just simple logic. > The phrase "too numerous to name" must have an implied "them all" > after it because unless you have no time at all, you have time to list > "some" or one (as you did). It's a phrase that's never made sense to > me. > > I'm tireder. But actually my main meaning for "too numerous to name" was "too numerous to name any for fear of seeming to rank those named higher than those not named." >> Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. >> Where can I get it? >> >> Yeeks, you can order it from me. $10, ppd. I'd love to send it to you free >> but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps. Minor but expensive >> recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. >> > > Backchannel me your snail mail address-- or paypal email if you do > that-- and I'll order! > Thanks, Chris. I don't mind everyone's knowing my snailmail address: 1708 Hayworth Road, Port Charlotte FL 33952. > Thanks a lot for the following! > > >> But here's a Martone: >> >> follow >> the >> highest >> >> bird note >> to >> a bare >> >> stone >> place >> >> >> 2 more: >> >> kitchen breezes >> children >> water color! >> >> * * * >> >> perfect >> rain-rings >> >> each >> moment >> in >> >> next-door's >> puddle >> but >> >> those 3 >> >> children >> can't >> come out >> >> >> Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them. They appear usually in >> booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. >> > > It's very hard to find that kind of physical object up here, and not > much easier online! > > c They're limited editions, too--many of them I think he just sends to friends. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, rather, each of the revisions plus > the original? > > I told WOMPOs that you had a WEPD checklist for evaluating poetry, and > one of the WOMPOs asked if I had a copy but I cannot find it. > > It was lovely fun and horrible agony while it lasted, that ole WEPD. > > Best, > > Judy Sorry I took so long to reply, Judy--got side-tracked. Anyway, here is the final form. I keep meaning to do an essay on it, but haven't gotten to it. Dunno how much I go along with it, but I still think it as valid as any like list I'm familiar with. Note: "For a Consensus of Informed Opinion" can be substituted for what's in the second set of parentheses, and the first text in parentheses deleted. *A Poem Is Excellent (F/or an Engagent of It/)/ /Regardless of How Long Halfwits Have Praised or Dismissed It If (For That Engagent) It: * (1) results in an experience of something importantly beautiful; (2) is clear, but not easily clear, nor ever finally fully clear: (3) has a Unifying Principal, or some meaning or image or the like which pulls its elements reasonably close together; (4) contains few or no superfluous words or other matter; (5) boasts some constituent of substance that few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery; (6) avoids excessive use of predictable language, imagery, sentiment, ideation, technique and structural methodology. --Bob Grumman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elaine Equi (b 1953) is a well-known poet whose latest book, Ripple Effect: New and Selected Poems, was a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Award and on the short list for Canada?s Griffin Poetry Prize. Widely published and anthologized, her work has appeared in The New Yorker, The Nation, Poetry, The Paris Review, and several editions of The Best American Poetry. In this, her first photography show, she will exhibit two visual poems. One, ?A Guide to the Cinema Tarot,? is an oracle comprised entirely of film stills from 50?s and 60?s movies. The other, ?Votive Candy,? is a series of photos and captions devoted to the idea that candy is truly holy. - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 01:21:00 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman, do you have . . . In-Reply-To: <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com> <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Bob. I sent it off to WOMPOlist with the disclaimer that anything in it containing the word "math" should be struck from readers' brains. But they prolly thought I was joking. It's a nice WEPD, Bob; concise and I wouldnae add anything to it. We should use it again so that we NPers can get into huge fights and decide to go out for ale or Diet Coke. I wonder where Barry Spaks is or if I'm spelling his name right. Very late here and due to be in the 90s tomorrow yargh! Judy 2009/6/1 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > > a copy of your WEPD checklist? Or, rather, each of the revisions plus the > original? > I told WOMPOs that you had a WEPD checklist for evaluating poetry, and > one of the WOMPOs asked if I had a copy but I cannot find it. > > It was lovely fun and horrible agony while it lasted, that ole WEPD. > > Best, > > Judy > > Sorry I took so long to reply, Judy--got side-tracked. Anyway, here is the > final form. I keep meaning to do an essay on it, but haven't gotten to it. > Dunno how much I go along with it, but I still think it as valid as any like > list I'm familiar with. Note: "For a Consensus of Informed Opinion" can be > substituted for what's in the second set of parentheses, and the first text > in parentheses deleted. > > *A Poem Is Excellent (For an Engagent of It) Regardless of How Long > Halfwits Have Praised or Dismissed It If (For That Engagent) It: > * > (1) results in an experience of something importantly beautiful; > > (2) is clear, but not easily clear, nor ever finally fully clear: > > (3) has a Unifying Principal, or some meaning or image or the like which > pulls its elements reasonably close together; > > (4) contains few or no superfluous words or other matter; > > (5) boasts some constituent of substance that few or no other poems have > such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, > visual > art), and imagery; > > (6) avoids excessive use of predictable language, imagery, sentiment, > ideation, > technique and structural methodology. > > --Bob Grumman > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com><4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> You're welcome, Judy. Pass on any comments. Oh, and Barry's last name is spelled "Spax." It used to be spelled "Spacks," but I ordained the new spelling. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 2 10:09:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] CD Wright up for Griffin again Message-ID: <8CBB1A2D7E088B2-86C-14FD@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> http://www.projo.com/lifebeat/content/lb-poetaward_06-02-09_51EIM2H_v13.2d67590.html For the second time in six years, Wright is a finalist for the Griffin Poetry Prize. This is Canada?s biggest poetry competition, and one of the biggest in the world. The two winners ? one in the Canadian division and one in the international division ? will each receive $45,000. To be a contender, you had to have published a book of poetry the previous year. Now, from a field of 485 books, the judges have reduced the field to seven: three Canadian poets, and four international poets. -- The other finalists in the international division of the Griffin Poetry Prize are: Derek Mahon of Ireland; Dean Young of California and Iowa; and the late Mick Imlah of Great Britain who died in January of ALS at 52. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 10:20:17 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman, do you have . . . In-Reply-To: <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0905311737q56706743r3422fbc5dd77d3b@mail.gmail.com> <4A248D08.6050803@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0906012221t77cb00d8w2e8b60c2ea8ccfc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25119D.6020801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906020720g411a9bcm79173cf58bf4eac1@mail.gmail.com> Didn't know you'd been ordained, Bob. I had thought it was S-pac. Ah well, he never reads us anymore, what does he care about the little people now that he's networking with Real Poets like the banana poem guy. Resignedly, Awesome Judy 2009/6/2 Bob Grumman > You're welcome, Judy. Pass on any comments. Oh, and Barry's last name is > spelled "Spax." It used to be spelled "Spacks," but I ordained the new > spelling. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, Lor', this gives me a chance to see Our Bob's ploy and raise him one, his name now forever to be spelt, obiter dictu, BOB GRUM'BLIN' Oh, and Judy, you are SUCH a tease! tersely, pax, SPX From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 2 18:55:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:55:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ideas for the day: from Bemsha Swing blog Message-ID: <8CBB1EC54FA0B65-176C-20A8@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> Ideas for the day: What if the "modernist turn" in recent poetry is a conservative one, a repression of the radical spirit of the avant-garde half of "postmodernism"? What then? Huh? Huh? What then? - A critic I admire a great deal, Juli?n Jim?nez Heffernan, who has translated a couple of Ashbery books into Spanish, says that there are two histories of poetry, the external and the internal. The internal is just the history of a (Bloomian?) strong poetry. That allows him to just ignore conventional literary history. 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What then? - A critic I admire a great deal, Juli?n Jim?nez Heffernan, who has translated a couple of Ashbery books into Spanish, says that there are two histories of poetry, the external and the internal. The internal is just the history of a (Bloomian?) strong poetry. That allows him to just ignore conventional literary history. I find this a useful move. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To be a contender, you had to have published a book of poetry > the previous year. Now, from a field of 485 books, the judges have > reduced the field to seven: three Canadian poets, and four > international poets. > > -- > > > The other finalists in the international division of the Griffin > Poetry Prize are: Derek Mahon of Ireland; Dean Young of California and > Iowa; and the late Mick Imlah of Great Britain who died in January of > ALS at 52. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 13:56:46 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:56:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ad Hominem Sonnet Message-ID: Ad Hominem Sonnet To a man, to a woman, they all rose up to attack 'im. Recognizing the logic of his pos- ition could not be assail'd, they thin- k that the facts stand with in- stead of agin 'em. 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Best, Judy 2009/6/3 > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ > ------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 15:29:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:29:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Morning Masquerade Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906031229i68a84a8o3d58e03613bfee26@mail.gmail.com> on Peter Ganick's site: http://pganickz.livejournal.com/ thanks for visiting, -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 16:39:33 2009 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 Message-ID: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning. His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more: http://bromige.wordpress.com/ Ron Silliman From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 3 17:54:09 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs Message-ID: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html C. Dale Young/Avoiding the Muse, I notice, is hogging two spots, 33 & 34. I see Mike Snider & Amy King are listed, and of course Ron Silliman made the list. 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On the site Ruminate > (new to me)... > http://chrislott.org/ > and simultaneously on his old "Cosmopoetica"... > http://cosmopoetica.com/blog/ > > Finnegan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 3 20:31:45 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:31:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs In-Reply-To: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB2ACF53BF05F-1CC4-1132@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A2715F1.7060003@nut-n-but.net> A near-perfect establishment view of the Contemporary American Poetry Scene: my guess is that around 90 of the blogs are Wilshberian; Silliman's in to represent Language Poetry, but not even Geof Huth is allowed to represent Visual Poetry. Nice that some New-Poetry people's blogs got mentioned (deservedly). Hey, I remember corresponding with the Cosmopoetica guy--never knew it was Chris. I was always confused by the name because very similar to Dan Schneider's blog (which, incidentally, I consider mostly moronic but certainly deserving to be on the top 100 list because it gets lots of visits, and because it has to be admitted it expresses a point of view you won't find anywhere else). --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 3 20:35:16 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:35:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 In-Reply-To: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> Ron Silliman wrote: > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning. > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more: > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > Ron Silliman > __________________ Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 3 21:38:59 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:38:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 In-Reply-To: <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> References: <477416.23747.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2716C4.2040509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CBB2CC5DCE13DD-177C-1D85@WEBMAIL-DZ24.sysops.aol.com> I remember David Bromige in conversation on the Poetics list, back when I was engaged there, briefly in late 90s. And I remember the first time I heard his name: Alan Golding, who is on this list and occasionally posts, mentioned him to me, about 1990 or so,. Alan?said Bromige was visiting Louisville for a reading (if I recall correctly). I didn't know as many poets as I?now know, so I'm sure my face went a little blank at the time. Finnegan First poems that came up googling. (Is anyone binging yet?)... http://jacketmagazine.com/22/brom-poems.html -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 Ron Silliman wrote:? > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things besides), passed away this morning.? >? > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories and learn more:? >? > http://bromige.wordpress.com/? >? > Ron Silliman? > __________________? Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed.? --Bob? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? 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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:38 AM, wrote: > I remember David Bromige in conversation on the Poetics list, back when I > was engaged there, briefly in late 90s. > And I remember the first time I heard his name: Alan Golding, who is on > this list and occasionally posts, mentioned > him to me, about 1990 or so,. Alan said Bromige was visiting Louisville for > a reading (if I recall correctly). I didn't know > as many poets as I now know, so I'm sure my face went a little blank at the > time. > Finnegan > > First poems that came up googling. (Is anyone binging yet?)... > > http://jacketmagazine.com/22/brom-poems.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 8:35 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 > > Ron Silliman wrote: > > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things > besides), passed away this morning. > > > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories > and learn more: > > > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > > > Ron Silliman > > __________________ > Thanks for posting this, Ron. Yes, one of our most important poets. I > didn't know him in any personal way but saw enough of his Internet posts to > see he was clearly a good friend of poetry, who will be greatly missed. > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Silliman" To: ; "New Po" ; "UK Poetry" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] David Bromige, 1933 - 2009 > > David Bromige, a wonderful poet & a great friend (and many other things > besides), passed away this morning. > > His family has posted this website where friends & fans can share stories > and learn more: > > http://bromige.wordpress.com/ > > Ron Silliman > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 4 12:42:55 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:42:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 12:50:55 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:50:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > Judy > > I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most > poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, > nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff > writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, > unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as > someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. 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I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 13:30:45 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:30:45 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from you. 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of > Donald Hall's penis > > best > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem > is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your > poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of > the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in > that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own > poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his > braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! > All the best, you clivver divvel, > > joodles > > 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > >> Judy >> >> I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most >> poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. >> >> >> David Bircumshaw >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Judy Prince >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >> >> Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, >> nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff >> writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, >> unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as >> someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... >> >> Best, >> >> Judy >> >> 2009/6/3 >> >>> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's just one more subject to be mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 14:13:43 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:13:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041113m247bb5a2vc33cbd4faf4494f0@mail.gmail.com> thanks, Catherine. I've duly read her bio and her three poems, the last which effectively blew away the steel bustier often used by sexually-exploited and -exploiting females. lower and lower middle-classness in the USA scrapes so deep. would i have seen a play, if not for my horrid but determined 10th grade english teacher? would i have written a poem if my older sister hadn't shown me hers? would i have gone to uni if my best and rich friend hadn't said she was going and i should too? there's a hongry-ness that some poets exhibit, such as Jennifer Blowdryer----and David Bircumshaw himself----that simply is not present in the anointed hierarchies. yet i know that those hierarchies contain underclassers and low-middleclassers. hongry-ness can't be faked, or at least i don't think it can be faked. but higher-classness is faked, for so many understandable reasons, every day. best, judy 2009/6/4 Catherine Daly > Jennifer Blowdryer is a Columbia MFA from the late 80s. She ran "Wheel of > Poets" in NY with two others. > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin at mikesnider.org Thu Jun 4 14:50:18 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:50:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] June 4, 1989 Message-ID: <6768ac830906041150j42736a48rf5390e38ac5cc022@mail.gmail.com> I wrote this 20 years ago tomorrow. June 4, 1989 Students came to Tiananmen Square To mourn the death of Hu Yaobang, And call the old men to repair The State they?d led to wrong. Workers joined the student throng And made the Square the people?s place ? Thousands and tens of thousands strong, They gave Liberty a Chinese face. >From the Great Hall of the People glared Faces from the revolution, hung There to silence those who dared To charge the State with wrong. But now the torch of freedom shone >From the statue of a woman raised Before them ? the people?s challenge flung, Giving Liberty a Chinese face. Deng Xiaoping and Li Peng stared As one man, unarmed and alone, Despite the armored terror Of the State?s insane wrong, Stopped a column of tanks along The Avenue of Eternal Peace. He simply stood his ground, And gave Liberty a Chinese face. Remember the thousands dead and mourn. Remember the State?s deadly wrong. Martyr?s blood is never erased ? They gave Liberty a Chinese face. 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Jeff Newberry On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Surely Hall has not written more than one poem about the size of his penis? > If he has not, what's the big deal? It's just one more subject to be > mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(grinning almost to a gurn) David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from you. 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of Donald Hall's penis best David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! All the best, you clivver divvel, joodles 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw Judy I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... 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I can't tell from Judy's last post what her current evaluation was, but Judy's posts nonetheless were more interesting than Blowdryer's poems. c On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Surely Hall has not written more than one poem about the size of his penis? > ?If he has not, what's the big deal? ?It's just one more subject to be > mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 19:08:04 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:08:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <34D1CD22D9DF406CA192E2384E64071F@SN037832120162> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <518E05DA42464BE29F3825B3415794A6@SN037832120162> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <34D1CD22D9DF406CA192E2384E64071F@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041608u1c95c404hc756577a6fb264c5@mail.gmail.com> Rule Brittania! [a chewn which I recently loudly requested in a USAmerican pub, of the Irish singer and his awesomely talented Irish fiddler; singer's comment: "That song's not in my reportoire"] joodles laffing gurnly, too 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > Judy, I shall frame that post and hang it on a wall. > > (grinning almost to a gurn) > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo > > at last, joodles at a loss for words. i should've known it'd come from > you. > > > 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw > >> I can assure you, my dear Judy, of the vast size of my ignorance of >> Donald Hall's penis >> >> best >> >> >> David Bircumshaw >> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Judy Prince >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:50 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >> >> David, you know my patience for reading past the first 3 lines of any poem >> is nonexistent; hence, favour me by either allowing me to publish your >> poems.....or, failing that, which would disappoint me hugely, state which of >> the strangely named beings ASIDE from Ms Blowdryer might have writ a poem in >> that publication that even begins to approach the magnificence of your own >> poems. I dare you!!!!! BTW, is Donald Hall's penis really worth his >> braying on about? Oh like you would know. sorry, mate. g'on wiff ya! >> All the best, you clivver divvel, >> >> joodles >> >> 2009/6/4 David Bircumshaw >> >>> Judy >>> >>> I thought there was more poetry in Blowdryer's prose than I see in most >>> poetry collections of late. Become a fan, here. >>> >>> >>> David Bircumshaw >>> Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Judy Prince >>> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:17 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo >>> >>> Thanks, James. Tho' I confess to liking Jennifer Blowdryer's name, >>> nevertheless, she hadn't contributed poetry to the wotsit, and other stuff >>> writ by females tries to outmale what they think males do with poetry, >>> unfortunately. Ah well, at least they don't talk about their penises, as >>> someone on a nother list has said Donald Hall does. Each to his own.... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> 2009/6/3 >>> >>>> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 19:11:20 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:11:20 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A281D27.7000107@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041611l47529408ga4fefc67137a79ce@mail.gmail.com> Oh Chris, and just when I thought I'd stop talking about penises! Judy 2009/6/4 Chris Lott > The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My > assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > I can't tell from Judy's last post what her current evaluation was, > but Judy's posts nonetheless were more interesting than Blowdryer's > poems. > > c > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Surely Hall has not written more than one poem about the size of his > penis? > > If he has not, what's the big deal? It's just one more subject to be > > mediocre about and win the plaudits of the establishment with. > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Who cares? --Bob From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 21:23:24 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:23:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A281D27.7000107@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Hi, Chris. Do you mind my asking: in this issue (guest edited) or at Shampoo in general? Note: I do have poems and photographs at Shampoo (which is edited by Del Ray Cross). I inherited the reading series at Columbia from Jennifer and her compatriots. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My >> assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first > prose piece was about. ?The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. > ?She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and > diction but what's the point? ?Who cares? > > --Bob Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized genre. As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne Koestenbaum's contribution here: http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for Shampoo. From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 4 22:26:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com><4A287927.6040400@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB39C2FAA8343-FA4-DDD@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> In fact, Blowdryer (or her editor) called them 'Two pieces'.?The first of the?two pieces had two virtues: It was short and?approximately the last third to a half?of it was?a?quote from someone else. The second piece,?very early on,?had this line which perhaps serves as a gloss: "And then you?ll understand why I don?t usually explain what I mean. It takes too fricking long." Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Snider Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 9:23 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Chris Lott wrote: > > The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My > assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first prose piece was about. ?The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. ?She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and diction but what's the point? ?Who cares? --Bob Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her ork poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized enre. As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne oestenbaum's contribution here: ttp://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( t tp://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for he most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for hampoo. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 22:49:15 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:49:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A287927.6040400@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906041949j3dc1ac66pa3ce61e879863a21@mail.gmail.com> Pore Bob. Either response he's likely to give will not work. Moving right along, and aiming my remarks to Michael, Chris, and Catherine: I, too, saw some fine places and unity in Brian Teare's poem. Wayne Koestenbaum's poems're difficult to unveil what with his gramma/father/self gender confusion and his not having a penis. I did find Jennifer Hairdryer's last of the 3 poems [as distinct from her first 2] fascinatingly successful for what most contemporary poems are believed to need to demonstrate. Some of you may guess that I feel that "chopped line prose", which is what most contemporary poems are, is at the foot of my hesitation in more enthusiastically rating her poem. "Chopped line prose", to me, does not mean arbitrary line endings, though that's the superficial look of it. Rather, "chopped line prose" demonstrates the poet's inability to make, or the nonrecognition of, rhythms. And without rhythm, there's no poetry. Best, Judy 2009/6/4 Michael Snider > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Chris Lott wrote: > >> > >> The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My > >> assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. > > > > Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first > > prose piece was about. The second I tired of after six or seven > paragraphs. > > She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology > and > > diction but what's the point? Who cares? > > > > --Bob > > Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her > work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized > genre. > > As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. > > But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne > Koestenbaum's contribution here: > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html > > > I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for > the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for > Shampoo. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 5 07:52:10 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:52:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com><7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com><7 db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com><4A2879 27.6040400@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830906041823r72a91052m4a88df89054bc65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2906EA.1080603@nut-n-but.net> Michael Snider wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Chris Lott wrote: >> >>> The question is, Bob, do you find Blowdryer's poetry interesting? My >>> assessment of the poems in the Shampoo link: pretty freakin' boring. >>> >> Didn't find any poems of hers but have already forgotten what the first >> prose piece was about. The second I tired of after six or seven paragraphs. >> She seems accurately to catch a contemporary young airhead's psychology and >> diction but what's the point? Who cares? >> >> --Bob >> > > Just a mild tease from me, Bob -- aside from its quality why isn't her > work poetry? She says it is, and the "prose poem" is a recognized > genre. > I simply have ordained that there is a difference between poetry and prose. It makes no sense to recognize this kind of "prose poetry" as poetry because that makes the term "poetry" meaningless. Or the term "prose." I have an even bigger problem with all my good friends in visual poetry who count as visual poems designs with letters but no words in them--and sometimes even designs that suggest to them some kind of "textual gesture." It's insane. Poetry has to have aesthetically meaningful words. When I tell them that, they act as though I am asking for the abolition of textual designs, some of which I extremely like. It's hard having a rational mind in the world of poets. --Bob > As it happens, I agree - it's neither poetry nor interesting. > > But since there's been so much talk of penises, what about Wayne > Koestenbaum's contribution here: > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/koestenbaum.html > > > I did kind of like these from Brian Teare ( > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirtyfive/teare.html ), but for > the most part I was just awfully glad no trees were pulped for > Shampoo. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1AD01306-B2A7-4AF6-B89A-F07BFCDE1F7E@ripon.edu> Like it or not, Mr. Smith?s concept has become a global phenomenon, especially among young people, who, helped by exposure to hip-hop, seem more comfortable with the idea that poetry belongs both ?on the stage and on the page.? Slam poetry has been incorporated into school curriculums across the country; more than 80 cities now compete in the annual national championship; and similar contests are springing up in the most unlikely places, most recently on R?union Island in the Indian Ocean. ?I think that perhaps Marc sees this as snowballing out of control,? said Susan B. A. Somers-Willett, author of ?The Cultural Politics of Slam Poetry? and a slam poet herself. ?This is something that started in Chicago as a group of oddballs who wanted to do some pretty avant- garde things, but over the years, as it entered the commercial sphere, it has gotten more and more homogenous and started catering to a demographic mainstream.? 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President Obama on The New York Times: At Nazi Camp, Obama Calls Holocaust Denial 'Hateful' http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/europe/06prexy.html?_r=1&hp Also, Obama's speech to the Muslims in Cairo: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/world/middleeast/05prexy.html?scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(And, sorry, Anny, but what does Obama's remark have to do with poetry?) --Bad Bob From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:00:53 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:00:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] President Obama In-Reply-To: <4A29795A.8010600@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70906051048g49ab1789jd8a4ea1643744333@mail.gmail.com> <4A29795A.8010600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Hey, Bad Bob-- Anything has to do with everything. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org 2009/6/5 Bob Grumman > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> ?To this day there are those who insist that the Holocaust never happened, >> a denial of fact and truth that is baseless and ignorant and hateful,? >> President Obama on The New York Times: >> > It is idiotically irrational but since when is a denial of something one > believes hateful? (And, sorry, Anny, but what does Obama's remark have to > do with poetry?) > > --Bad Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jun 5 19:43:32 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:43:32 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Unexpected, lively Poetics discussion... In-Reply-To: <557728.4610.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <557728.4610.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBB44E91E61549-1668-1862@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Amy, I notice you're reading with Michael Heller. When Salt Publishing recently put out a?desperate call for orders, one of the books I ordered?was Heller's collection of essays "Uncertain Poetries." The?handful of essays?I've read so far have been great. Very lucid and perceptive writing about poetry. Please relay to him my?admiration, if you get a chance. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 4:05 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Unexpected, lively Poetics discussion... 1)? Unexpected, lively Poetics! discussion in another group I moderate: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/150874-please-vote-for-june-s-goodreads-poem-six-finalists ? ? 2)? NEW -- Women?s Work: The Poetic Justice Forum http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/06/womens-work-the-poetic-justice-forum/ ? 3)? Ahadada Books Presents on Saturday, June 13, 2009 @ 6:30pm ?? ??? * Michael Heller ??? * Amy King ??? * Robert Thompson ??? * Donald Wellman ? ZINC BAR 82 West 3rd Street (btwn Thompson & Sullivan) Greenwich Village New York NY 10012 http://www.ahadadabooks.com/content/view/167/1/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Sat Jun 6 11:47:11 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:47:11 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: shampoo In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB295A13BE83E-96C-1036@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906031217t77852e44y1153b981eb795e26@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906040950y22295a8cp9c2a5225edc84d79@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0906041030j20ca07edp7fcf24f0f1fdebae@mail.gmail.com> <4A281D27.7000107@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: If I understand the question, my remarks were limited to the Blowdryer poems! Not Shampoo in general. c On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > Hi, Chris. ?Do you mind my asking: ?in this issue (guest edited) or at > Shampoo in general? > Note: ?I do have poems and photographs at Shampoo (which is edited by Del > Ray Cross). ?I inherited the reading series at Columbia from Jennifer and > her compatriots. > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 13:27:25 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Unexpected, lively Poetics discussion... Message-ID: <540953.57507.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Glad to hear it, and I'll certainly do that, Finnegan!? Be well, Amy --- On Fri, 6/5/09, jforjames at aol.com wrote: Amy, I notice you're reading with Michael Heller. When Salt Publishing recently put out a?desperate call for orders, one of the books I ordered?was Heller's collection of essays "Uncertain Poetries." The?handful of essays?I've read so far have been great. Very lucid and perceptive writing about poetry. Please relay to him my?admiration, if you get a chance. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jun 6 21:41:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:41:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But?I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times,?do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about?what?Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list=0 Dew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 03:55:29 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:55:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. > But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. > It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in > this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, > or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other > than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, > and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed > against those magic momuments. > > Posted this to my blog > http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ > thinking about what Myles had to say... > > It was not important that [the poems] survive. > What mattered was that they should bear > Some lineament or character, > > Some affluence, if only half-perceived, > In the poverty of their words, > Of the planet of which they were part. > > > ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? > > -- > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] hate > > I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : > I hate poetry @ Harriet's > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ > > > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Sun Jun 7 04:29:23 2009 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 01:29:23 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bloger of the month interview Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> http://bookaholicblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/shut-up-and-write-sigauke-bbm.html ________________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini [anny.ballardini at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 12:55 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, > wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about what Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 13:50:41 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] It's hard all around -- Help the PoPo! Message-ID: <532277.63928.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> And by "PoPo"? I don't mean "police."? I mean a historical institution long-nestled in the East Village of New York City, a place that has nurtured and promoted many, many visiting and residential poets and continues strong each week to offer space and support for workshops, readings, a gabbing spot for the poetically-inclined, etc... Admittedly, I've been lax in my own support.? My membership expired many moons ago, and since there was no urgency, I put renewal low on my To Do list.? Still, recessions are especially hard on non-profits, thanks to cuts in gov't funding as well as the shrinking wallets of artists... But as the weather warms and my health & desire to socialize returns, it dawned on me recently that fifty bucks gets me a hell of lot at the Poetry Project and helps the community of poets I frequent and belong to.? I finally realized, What the hell?? If my fifty bucks can put a dent in the rent bill of the Poetry Project, then why am I being so lazy about going online to do my small part?? Anyway, this isn't really about how bad I am but just a note pointing out a need and asking you to help a very necessary spot along through some tough financial times--and to offer a few details from the Poetry Project website: http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Individual Membership {$50} Discounted admission for a year to all regularly scheduled and special Poetry Project events ? potentially a $300 value.A year?s subscription to The Poetry Project Newsletter ? a $25 value.Substantial savings on workshops offered at the Project by renowned writers. Project Mission Through its live programming, workshops, publications, website and special events, The Poetry Project promotes, fosters and inspires the reading and writing of contemporary poetry by (a) presenting contemporary poetry to diverse audiences, (b) increasing public recognition, awareness and appreciation of poetry and other arts, (c) providing a community setting in which poets and artists can exchange ideas and information, and (d) encouraging the participation and development of new poets from a broad range of styles. The Poetry Project offers:Weekly readings, including a Wednesday Night Reading series, a Monday Night Reading/Performance Series, and a Friday Late-Night Reading seriesFour weekly writing workshopsThe Recluse, an annual literary magazineA quarterly NewsletterMembership in the Poetry ProjectTape and document archivesSpecial events, such as the Annual New Year?s Day Marathon Reading Plus, they've got a blog!? http://poetryproject.org/project-blog http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Enjoy, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jun 7 17:39:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:39:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Draft of a Schoolwide Blog Entry In-Reply-To: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> References: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> I've bnen working on a blog entry for the Schoolwide Website. I'm dissatisfied with what I've so far said, mostly with the expression rather than the content, although I'm not sure the content is all that great--especially as something intended to appeal to K-12 teachers. Any feedback would thus be especially appreciated. *The Layers of a Poem* balloon! Hold on to your (formatting probably off) I often have dumb thoughts. I treasure them, because sometimes they ignite Brilliant Thinking. (Or, more likely, put me in the manic part of my insanity.) This happened recently when I was thinking about the poem above by Adam Gamble, intending to write another commentary on it. My dumb thought was that the poem's characters, the balloon (escaped or lost), the child who lets go of it, and the parent (or other grown-up) who makes the futile warning, comprised a layer of the poem--its meaning. It was on top of the layer consisting of the words on the page, or, to be more detailed, how the words look to the eye, because this is a visual poem, and how they sound and are felt when pronounced. What the eye, ear and mouth making them (and the mouth should be involved even in silently reading a poem; poems are not for the Evelyn Wood variety of reading). In other words, a poem is something perceived by the senses plus what the brain makes of it. Two layers. A dumb thought because everybody knows that about anything piece of readable printed matter. The Brilliant Thinking resulted when it occurred to me that the second layer, what the poem meant in the brain, should be two layers, one concerned with what the poem directly means--in this case, a child holding a balloon, while warned to hold on tight, and the balloon escaping, and one concerned with the emotional meaning of that meaning, empathy for the parental concern for the child, and for the child with a wonderful bright- hued balloon--and for the balloon, leaping free, or tumbling fearfully away. The fact that the balloon was either gaining freedom or losing the security of a home suggested my scheme was not yet cojmplete: the poem had a fourth (and, I now believe, final) layer, its symbolic layer. For the little scene the poem depicts, taken from the balloon's viewpoint (and in poems a balloon can have a viewpoint!), can symbolize either the joy of freedom or the despair of loss of security. From the child's viewpoint, it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! So, a poem has the layer of what's there; the layer of what that directly means; the layer of how it makes one experiencing it feel; and the layer of what grander, generalized meaning it can symbolize, without forcing things. My tentative names for these are concrete, literal, emotive, and archetypal layer, incidentally. Apprehending a poem as four layers is pretty abstract, and far from the unified experience of a poem any normal person would have (or should have initially), but I believe presenting it as one way to connect to a poem (after the natural way) might prove useful as a teaching tool. A teacher should try every way the teacher knows to capture students for poetry. Its main value, however, would be to provide a clearer, more detailed idea of what poems are, and what they do. Where they may not be fully successful, too, many poems not having much of an emotional layer, or too vague a literal layer, or little or no archetypal layer. Or a student having trouble with a poem might be more easily help to enjoy it if a particular layer that's not working for the student is identified. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 17:20:47 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:20:47 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Draft of a Schoolwide Blog Entry In-Reply-To: <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> References: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9712107D674B1@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> <4A2C337A.9010102@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906071420v2e551e9ew5f0058a9bed42ea2@mail.gmail.com> I would avoid the use of 'dumb.' I particularly enjoyed your twist here: it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! the reading here is lovely, and the exclamation mark that follows 'balloon' marks as a matter of fact a wonderful detachment. The formatting got lost, but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. The same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's conveys a certain lightness and joyfulness. Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" *Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. * On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've bnen working on a blog entry for the Schoolwide Website. I'm > dissatisfied with what I've so far said, mostly with the expression rather > than the content, although I'm not sure the content is all that > great--especially as something intended to appeal to K-12 teachers. Any > feedback would thus be especially appreciated. > > *The Layers of a Poem* > > > balloon! > > > > > > Hold on to your > > (formatting probably off) > > I often have dumb thoughts. I treasure them, because sometimes they ignite > Brilliant Thinking. (Or, more likely, put me in the manic part of my > insanity.) This happened recently when I was thinking about the poem above > by Adam Gamble, intending to write another commentary on it. My dumb > thought was that the poem's characters, the balloon (escaped or lost), the > child who lets go of it, and the parent (or other grown-up) who makes the > futile warning, comprised a layer of the poem--its meaning. It was on top > of the layer consisting of the words on the page, or, to be more detailed, > how the words look to the eye, because this is a visual poem, and how they > sound and are felt when pronounced. What the eye, ear and mouth making them > (and the mouth should be involved even in silently reading a poem; poems are > not for the Evelyn Wood variety of reading). In other words, a poem is > something perceived by the senses plus what the brain makes of it. Two > layers. > > A dumb thought because everybody knows that about anything piece of > readable printed matter. The Brilliant Thinking resulted when it occurred > to me that the second layer, what the poem meant in the brain, should be two > layers, one concerned with what the poem directly means--in this case, a > child holding a balloon, while warned to hold on tight, and the balloon > escaping, and one concerned with the emotional meaning of that meaning, > empathy for the parental concern for the child, and for the child with a > wonderful bright- > hued balloon--and for the balloon, leaping free, or tumbling fearfully > away. > > The fact that the balloon was either gaining freedom or losing the security > of a home suggested my scheme was not yet cojmplete: the poem had a fourth > (and, I now believe, final) layer, its symbolic layer. For the little > scene the poem depicts, taken from the balloon's viewpoint (and in poems a > balloon can have a viewpoint!), can symbolize either the joy of freedom or > the despair of loss of security. From the child's viewpoint, it can > symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at letting > go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! > > So, a poem has the layer of what's there; the layer of what that directly > means; the layer of how it makes one experiencing it feel; and the layer of > what grander, generalized meaning it can symbolize, without forcing things. > My tentative names for these are concrete, literal, emotive, and archetypal > layer, incidentally. > > Apprehending a poem as four layers is pretty abstract, and far from the > unified experience of a poem any normal person would have (or should have > initially), but I believe presenting it as one way to connect to a poem > (after the natural way) might prove useful as a teaching tool. A teacher > should try every way the teacher knows to capture students for poetry. Its > main value, however, would be to provide a clearer, more detailed idea of > what poems are, and what they do. Where they may not be fully successful, > too, many poems not having much of an emotional layer, or too vague a > literal layer, or little or no archetypal layer. Or a student having > trouble with a poem might be more easily help to > enjoy it if a particular layer that's not working for the student is > identified. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > formatting got lost, Actually, it came out close to right. > but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. > The same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's > conveys a certain lightness and joyfulness. > Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" > > /Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) > brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. > / Thanks, Anny. But do you think the idea of the layers as I describe them works? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Below are 100 blogs and sites for every poet, from a seasoned professional to a child reading their first poem. http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html? -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Top 100 Poetry Blogs And Edward Byrne.? ? jforjames at aol.com wrote:? > http://www.universityreviewsonline.com/2005/10/top-100-poetry-blogs.html? >? > C. Dale Young/Avoiding the Muse, I notice, is hogging two spots, 33 & 34.? >? > I see Mike Snider & Amy King are listed, and of course Ron Silliman > made the list.? >? > On another note, Chris Lott is blogging again. On the site Ruminate > (new to me)...? > http://chrislott.org/? > and simultaneously on his old "Cosmopoetica"...? > http://cosmopoetica.com/blog/? >? > Finnegan? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jun 7 20:00:25 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:00:25 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the?kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... ? Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. ? The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. ? The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. ? Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. ? Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. ? The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. ? Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. ? The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other?is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. ? Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended elbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. ? The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. ? Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with20that regular cadence of rise?& fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. ? Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. ? The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. ? Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save their sorry offerings. Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). ? Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. S ocialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. ? Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But?I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times,?do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about?what?Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] survive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Being ignored by and large by the minute culture of poetry people. You seem to have gotten most of the others, Jim. Another you missed is those who think poetry is not beautiful writing but politically strong writing. I'd better stop. More are occurring to me. Just one: all the poets contemptuous of attempts to understand poetry, their hatred of critics, their belief that intuition is all. Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is everything. And those who think it of little or no value. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sun Jun 7 22:27:05 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:27:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906071927o798d1494uae0b5b61e41998c4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, James, it feels sooooo good to read a rant. However, since I'm an optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my offering based upon your delightful list: POETS UNITED 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of snarking family and friends. 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us enough for that disclosure in a published source. 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed body parts] 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry Superfund. 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic possibilities]. 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY. 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her hat around. 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] Best, Judy 2009/6/7 > The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan > opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the > idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised > the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that > spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the > Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. > But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the > free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other > people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with > Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > >> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. >> But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. >> It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in >> this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, >> or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other >> than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, >> and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed >> against those magic momuments. >> >> Posted this to my blog >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> thinking about what Myles had to say... >> >> It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. >> What mattered was that they should bear >> Some lineament or character, >> >> Some affluence, if only half-perceived, >> In the poverty of their words, >> Of the planet of which they were part. >> >> >> ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? >> >> -- >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : >> I hate poetry @ Harriet's >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I would avoid the use of 'dumb.' > > > Dopey? > > > I particularly enjoyed your twist here: > it can symbolize Loss, Failure--but maybe something else, maybe elation at > letting go of the balloon and watching it climb the sky! > > the reading here is lovely, and the exclamation mark that follows 'balloon' > marks as a matter of fact a wonderful detachment. The formatting got lost, > > Actually, it came out close to right. > > but we can see that 'balloon' stands out there, up high, on its own. The > same word: balloon, with its double light 'L's and its double 'o's conveys a > certain lightness and joyfulness. > Further down, weighing down, the admonishment: 'Hold on to your" > > *Yessir, I will, too late though, because it already escaped, :-) > brilliant red/or blue/or yellow dot in the sky. > * > > Thanks, Anny. But do you think the idea of the layers as I describe them > works? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 02:44:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:44:11 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906072344u74096333u6f4e4b391f564437@mail.gmail.com> I agree with the most of them. Touchee' by the picture with the bookcase behind (I do have one circulating) and by the air blown up, due to the wind in a sunny but windy day sent to me by a student, a picture I particularly liked and uploaded on Facebook. And whatever you write about the readings, could apply to me. I have always said that I do not like readings. I might improve one day, hopefully. My recent MFA requires a further explanation. I teach high school kids, regularly read my bunch, correct, and read further. I thought I was well off, which was not true. I like to say that I have never studied that much, which is a lie, because when I studied I always never studied that much, and this is the truth. What I hate most about the new kind of poetry that is circulating these days are some buffoons on poetry lists, whichever way they manifest: - Be them speaking in super-serious tones, all Mater Dolorosa of the heavy duty taken upon their frail shoulders to carry on the light of Poetry together with lengthy descriptions of what 'They' personally and deeply and emotionally think of Poetry; - Be them gangsters of the word to disrupt any serious attempt at confrontation [too much work all this seriousness is and anyhow I want to shine]. - Some smarties that have guessed how and what to write to win, the fundamental guidelines, turned over and over again. - Other smarties that live comfortably on grants upon grants [peer connections, they call them]. I would like to underline that my parodies, like *Scarlet and the soldier*and *Morning Masquerade*, target the very same poets I have in mind while writing the present. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:00 AM, wrote: > The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan > opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the > idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised > the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that > spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the > Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. > But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the > free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other > people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with > Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > >> Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. >> But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. >> It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in >> this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, >> or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other >> than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, >> and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed >> against those magic momuments. >> >> Posted this to my blog >> http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ >> thinking about what Myles had to say... >> >> It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. >> What mattered was that they should bear >> Some lineament or character, >> >> Some affluence, if only half-perceived, >> In the poverty of their words, >> Of the planet of which they were part. >> >> >> ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? >> >> -- >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am >> Subject: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : >> I hate poetry @ Harriet's >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 8 03:02:11 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:02:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906071927o798d1494uae0b5b61e41998c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brilliant, Judy, brilliant. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Prince To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate Thanks, James, it feels sooooo good to read a rant. However, since I'm an optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my offering based upon your delightful list: POETS UNITED 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of snarking family and friends. 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us enough for that disclosure in a published source. 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed body parts] 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry Superfund. 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic possibilities]. 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY. 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her hat around. 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] Best, Judy 2009/6/7 The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save their sorry offerings. Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 3:55 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My question was logically referring to the thread that James Finnegan opened on this list. I'd say that if she is not on this list, she seized the idea quite smartly. And I agree completely with James' point, having raised the same objections several times which triggered violent reactions that spanned from feminism to women's rights to Rights to Hypertights and the Hell that ensued. To cut a nightmare short, Never Again. But I am happy to see that I am not the only one. And on the other hand the free submissions to the Corner daily teach me that there are many other people who share the same idea. Less visible and 'screaming' people who with Van Gogh are able to make of a couple of potatoes a dinner for four. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: Anny, I can symphathize with Myles' frustrations. We all have our moments. But I have to say her plaint is somewhat scattershot. It makes me think that sometimes we ask too much from our art, poetry in this case. Is poetry not giving us what we expected, or, at times, do we expect too much from it? What were we promised other than a few touchstone poems that we can carry with us through time, and the feeling that, once in great while, something we wrote rubbed against those magic momuments. Posted this to my blog http://ursprache.blogspot.com/ thinking about what Myles had to say... It was not important that [the poems] surv ive. What mattered was that they should bear Some lineament or character, Some affluence, if only half-perceived, In the poverty of their words, Of the planet of which they were part. ?Wallace Stevens, from ?The Planet On The Table? -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:02 am Subject: [New-Poetry] hate I am wondering, is Eileen Myles on this list? She write on : I hate poetry @ Harriet's http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From cheekc at muohio.edu Mon Jun 8 06:18:22 2009 From: cheekc at muohio.edu (cris cheek) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:18:22 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] wednesday 10th june 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906071927o798d1494uae0b5b61e41998c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Special Performance Event Judith E Wilson Drama Studio, Faculty of English, University of Cambridge, 9 West Road, Cambridge. Tuesday 9th June, 8 pm. Free entry. All welcome. Cris cheek performs . . . live reading live writing: "monday morning quarter-backing "on" and "off" gods commons" Jeremy Hardingham performs "Wittgenstein's Face" Drew Milne performs "Glam Fuzz Dirt Scan" [In which Johnson's dictionary bites the dust: part of the Bent Circuit Noise Project] Cris Cheek: UK-born, US-based poet/multimedia artist cris cheek was a key figure in the London poetry scene of the 1980s later anthologized in Robert Sheppard and Adrian Clarke?s Floating Capital: New Poets from London. Also central to developments in Performance Writing emerging out of variant distributed networks during the following decade. He is a prolific, genre-slipping figure: poet, performance artist and musician, whose activities range from the ambitious conceptual project Things Not Worth Keeping to recordings with the ensembles Slant and Garam Masala. Jeremy Hardingham, as well as being the Judith E Wilson Drama Studio Manager is a performance artist and writer, whose recent work includes "unfolding king lear a model". Drew Milne's books of poetry include Go Figure (2003), Mars Disarmed (2002), The Damage (2001), Bench Marks (1998) and Sheet Mettle (1994). This is his first performance as Phraser Glamfuzz, sometime collaborator with Ziggy Stardust. Drew Milne is the Judith E Wilson Lecturer in Drama & Poetry. Enquiries to: Drew Milne, agm33 at cam.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jun 8 08:16:44 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <7db1d01b0906071927o798d1494uae0b5b61e41998c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906080516t50780310i1f840dda1aa6fbc3@mail.gmail.com> >From you, David, wow. And an elegant thankful bow.... Judy 2009/6/8 David Bircumshaw > Brilliant, Judy, brilliant. > > > David Bircumshaw > Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Judy Prince > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2009 3:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > Thanks, James, it feels sooooo good to read a rant. However, since I'm an > optimist 'til my hair follicles squeak, who drinks a glass of water until > it's slightly more than half full and then throws it against the kitchen > wall, and who's a fan of both Bob Grumman and Barry EssPAxe, here's my > offering based upon your delightful list: > POETS UNITED > > 1] We are the champions, my friends!!!! > 2] We sell our poems as tattoes on our bodies. > 3] We admit that we're a poet to our pet rottweiler who takes care of > snarking family and friends. > 4] We love our own poems and poems of several other poets, if they pay us > enough for that disclosure in a published source. > 5] We store our poems in Kryptonite cylinders stamped: "YOU AIN'T READ > NOTHIN' YET!!!" [which we know to be true until they view our poem-tattooed > body parts] > 6] We incise our poems on the underside of Paul Muldoon's eyelids. > 7] We respond en masse to a call from Bob, Barry and me for contributions > to The Poetry Superfund, the wealth which we use to fund a Professor of > Poetry Chair at Oxford University [UK] which requires 50 lectures free to > the public, given by 50 poets chosen by all the contributors to The Poetry > Superfund. > 8] To our poem submissions, we attach a rejection slip which reads: "YOU > WRITE AWESOME POEMS, DUDE!" followed by a line for the reader's signature. > 9] We demand that The Poetry Society [does that woman's money ever dry > up?] fund a highly visible unit called Incompetent Poets United [acronymic > possibilities]. > 10] We stand up at stuffy poetry readings with cameras aimed at poets' > bellies only, and we send these photos to Vanity Fair and the Onion. > 11] We lobby Congress for Poetry Pet of the Month, a different Poetry Pet > for each month, beginning with a porcupine [porpentine]. > 12] We inundate our alma maters with single dollar bills in red envelopes > titled: GIVE THIS DOLLAR TO A POET WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO A COLLEGE OR > UNIVERSITY. > 13] We formalise formalists and ultra-modernise modernists, we chop our > chops, muddy our verse, remain standing whilst a poet is reading her poems > and fall crashingly down when we're bored, we throw tomatoes at the audience > whilst we're reading our poems, we begin a striptease onstage which stops > after we've stripped off our third pair of mismatched longsleeved opera > gloves, and we insist upon backup music and dancing from Jennifer Blowdryer > and her friends whom we insist receive the money we gain from passing her > hat around. > 14] We have Group Poet Marriages at each formal university conference, > insisting that the university provide poem-inscribed mini-weddingcakes, > mugs, and napkins at each person's place setting. > > ----------[this list could not have been possible without the child who > named "Yaddo" because the darling thing was an incipient poet] > > Best, > > Judy > > > > 2009/6/7 > >> The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked >> me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' >> that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against >> poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... >> >> Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the >> poet. >> >> The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often >> being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends >> and family. >> >> The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or >> online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet >> opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes >> their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. >> He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then >> he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. >> >> Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy >> journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students >> screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. >> >> Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that >> try to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; >> their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. >> >> The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets >> pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the >> scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work >> would have a better chance of coming to the fore. >> >> Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, >> particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work >> appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. >> >> The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of >> Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the >> plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and >> conference invitation. >> >> Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets >> with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands >> holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the >> background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. >> >> The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA >> programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary >> credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. >> >> Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in >> late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young >> graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. >> Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular >> cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, >> with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets >> who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to >> entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. >> >> Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and >> traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting >> themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. >> >> The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming >> their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. >> Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their >> number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. >> >> Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and >> make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save >> their sorry offerings. >> Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure >> the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur >> (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). >> >> Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their >> creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a >> residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. >> >> The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized >> self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, >> teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, >> all exposed so well by Foetry.com. >> >> Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass >> itself. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 11:08:30 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:08:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure I have anything to add to your list, James, but I'd probably subtract a few. Some comments [in brackets] below. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM, wrote: The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog ( > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked > me to create a list of the kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' > that tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against > poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... > > Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the > poet. > [Mostly a good thing, especially for the poet(s).] > The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often > being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends > and family. > [I've a lot of resistance to saying I'm an anything. "Admitting" reeks of guilt. I'm too gentile for that.] > > The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, > chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the > journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has > been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads > his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his > contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. > [I've often thought more poetry should be published anonymously. Editors might well work anonymously too.] > > Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy > journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students > screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. > [Oh, well.] > Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try > to cheer you up with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; > their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. > > The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing > out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The > suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a > better chance of coming to the fore. > [I've no idea what these numbers are, so there's no problem here for me. Besides, I don't really do numbers.] > > Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, > particularly *The New Yorker; *similar complaints lodged against work > appearing in *American Poetry Review* and *Poetry* magazine. > [Oh, well. One can't write poetry all the time.] > > The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of > Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other is getting all the > plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and > conference invitation. > [Hear, hear!] > > Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets > with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands > holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the > background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. > [Let's just say "poets' pictures." The hell with them.] > > The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA > programs, where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary > credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. > > Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in > late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young > graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. > Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular > cadence of rise & fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, > with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets > who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to > entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. > [Let's just say poetry readings.] > > Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and > traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting > themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. > [I've no idea to whom this might refer.] > > The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming > their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. > Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their > number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. > [Ditto.] > > Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and > make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save > their sorry offerings. > [Hear, hear!] > Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure > the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur > (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). > > Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their > creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a > residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. > [Since one such place provided me with wonderful wife, I'll not endorse this one. Besides it's not the landscape that matters. It's having someone else do the cooking, cleaning, etc. It having a room with no telephone in it.] > > The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized > self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, > teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, > all exposed so well by Foetry.com. > [Hear! Hear!] > > Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. > [No idea what this means. Post-modernism needs a therapist?] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Mon Jun 8 11:19:16 2009 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] de Campos Tower of Babel Revisited, A Video Poem by Mary Ann Sullivan Message-ID: <60756.74.73.231.202.1244474356.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> This video poem, called "de Campos Tower of Babel Revisited," is by Mary Ann Sullivan. Check it out! This poem, based on an Old Testament story and inspired by "Olho por Olho," by Augusto de Campos, involves 20 very small videos that play simultaneously. You might need to watch it several times before all videos are present, depending on your broadband connection. http://www.towerjournal.com/babel/babel.html Thanks for reading, Gregory St. Thomasino From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jun 8 13:02:42 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:02:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65 c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal likes. But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff that /APR/ and /Poetry/ and /the New Yorker/ publish, and imitating it as best you can. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 12:06:33 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:06:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with a ten-foot cliche. Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good at 78rpm? Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. > Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal > likes. > > But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff > that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it as > best you can. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stay away from anything I'd touch with > a ten-foot cliche. > > Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > at 78rpm? > > Hal > > "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small > room." > --Pascal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. >> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal >> likes. >> >> But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff >> that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it as >> best you can. >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is as a > matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > Anny > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >> a ten-foot cliche. >> >> Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >> at 78rpm? >> >> Hal >> >> "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small >> room." >> --Pascal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all wrong. >>> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop the ones Hal >>> likes. >>> >>> But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great stuff >>> that *APR* and *Poetry* and *the New Yorker* publish, and imitating it >>> as best you can. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 13:15:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:15:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> I forgot blurbs, blurbs & more blurbs...they have to be my number one pet peeve in?contemporary?poetry publishing. (There must actually be people who believe blurbs are?independent mini-reviews?or faithful glimpse-insights into the contents. There are poeple who think Professional Wrestling is not big-bodied acrobatic?theatre.) And the ever multiplying number of Poet Laureates, coming soon to a locality near you. Investment banking firms, deprived of large bonuses, have begun to honor senior managers with one-year appointments like 'Poet Laureate of the 64th Floor' (as reported in the Wall Street Journal). Rubric of the moment, like "Third-Way Poetics" or "Slow Poetry." Flarf (say no more). Chat poetry. Tweet poetry. Don't get me wound me again. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:08 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate I'm not sure I have anything to add to your list, James, but I'd probably subtract a few. Some comments [in brackets] below. Hal ? Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM, ? wrote: The recent plaint posted by Eileen Myles on the Harriet blog (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/05/i-hate-poetry/), provoked me to create a list of the?kinds of things related to 'a life in poetry' t hat tend to exasperate and to vex us to point of angering us against poetry. This is a provisional list, feel free to add on... ? Being ignored by and large by the larger culture. The obscurity of the poet. [Mostly a good thing, especially for the poet(s).]? ?The meager amounts poets can make from publishing work. The payment often being in copies of the mag. The inability to admit, ?I?m a poet,? to friends and family. [I've a lot of resistance to saying I'm an anything. "Admitting" reeks of guilt. I'm too gentile for that.]? ? The anonymity of published poems. Hundreds of magazines in print or online, chockfull of poetry that almost no one sees. The contributing poet opens the journal, scans the contents page for familiar names, in hopes their work has been published shoulder to shoulder with reputable company. He only reads his own poem (ever concerned about the mar of typo) and then he sets his contributor?s copy aside and never looks at it again. [I've often thought more poetry should be published anonymously. Editors might well work anonymously too.]? ? Staid journals that always seem to be named Review or Quarterly. Edgy journals with names like Paisley Smile or Underpass. Graduate students screening submissions, determining what work gets passed on to the editor. [Oh, well.]? Rejection slips that are pre-printed and unsigned. Rejection slips that try to cheer you up=2 0with a witticism. Rejection notes via email are easier; their sting transitory in the moment of click DELETE. ? The shear number of practicing poets. Thousands of competent poets pressing out more and more poetry, new ones constantly ?emerging? onto the scene. The suspicion that if there were fewer publishing poets one's work would have a better chance of coming to the fore. [I've no idea what these numbers are, so there's no problem here for me. Besides, I don't really do numbers.] ? Gripes about the quality of poetry published in high-visibility magazines, particularly The New Yorker; similar complaints lodged against work appearing in American Poetry Review and Poetry magazine. [Oh, well. One can't write poetry all the time.] ? The polemics of school v. school. Perjorative nomenclature like ?School of Quietude.? The suspicion that one group or the other?is getting all the plums of academic appointments, grants and fellowships, major readings and conference invitation. [Hear, hear!] ? Poets? pictures that are ten years younger than they are. Beautiful poets with voluminous hair. Poets who lean forward on bended e lbows with a hands holding up their sagging chins. Poets posed with bookcases in the background. Poets caught in profile staring into space. [Let's just say "poets' pictures." The hell with them.] ? The increased ?professionalization? of poetry, the proliferation of MFA programs , where the granting of a terminal degree is seen as necessary credential for a young poet. The dismal job prospects for the graduates. ? Poetry readings that start late. Poetry readings where the poet comes in late with an entourage of aging professors and eager-to-please young graduate students. Poetry readings in which the poet reads for over an hour. Poetry readings where the poet reads in monotone or with that regular cadence of rise?& fall, affecting the way poems are supposed to be read, with every third word getting leaned on hard as if it were important.Poets who over-explain their work before reading i t. Poets who strain to entertain with lame jokes; who couldn't hack in stand-up. [Let's just say poetry readings.] ? Formalists who believe that poetry written without regular meter and traditional forms is somehow lazy or merely ?chopped prose?. Patting themselves on their backs for their well-turned rhymes. [I've no idea to whom this might refer.]? ? The clique of the avant garde. Or the geezer avant garde still claiming their relevancy after 60. The lot of them self-serving in their praise. Always circling the wagons. Nary a negative word about any among their number. The enemy without attacked, while they decay within. [Ditto.] ? Poets who believe poetry is ?beautiful writing?. Poets who don?t read; and make a point of not wanting to be influenced. When only influence could save thei r sorry offerings. [Hear, hear!]? ? Poets who show up at open mikes and read beyond their time limit. So sure the world is hungering for their work. Those who give a bad name to amateur (when the name?s root is really ?one who loves?). ? Poets who are inordinately fond of landscapes that will stimulate their creativity. Who don?t seem to be able to write without the space of a residency: ?This book would not have been possible without Yaddo,? etc. [Since one such place provided me with wonderful wife, I'll not endorse this one. Besides it's not the landscape that matters. It's having someone else do the cooking, cleaning, etc. It having a room with no telephone in it.]? The proliferation of publishing through manuscripts contests. Socialized self-publication.And the subversion of manuscript contests, teacher-student log-rolling and other kinds of insidious back-scratching, all exposed so well by Foetry.com. [Hear! Hear!] ? Post-modernism that?s so self-unaware it is impossible to embarrass itself. [No idea what this means. Post-modernism needs a therapist?]? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.spacks at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 12:55:08 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:55:08 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: even Bob & Spx can "get along" In-Reply-To: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Bob G. wrote: > > Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is > everything. And those who think it of little or no value. Classy, Bob -- thanks. Of great value, surely, but never "everything" While I'm here: The balloon poem: "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld -- puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, a-good-thing); need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this bitch of an earth." (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist touch) plus (parental) admonition...but further: generalizing loss- potential (hats) -- we might all be swept away. (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of the "Rapture"!) L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, SPX > From skip at louisiana.edu Mon Jun 8 13:43:25 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:43:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <55B621CD844B4402A6DEA97BE0B060BA@win.louisiana.edu> I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. (Just a cautionary.) "Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest." --Richard LaPauvre . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. ?(Just a cautionary.) ? ?Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest.? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? --Richard LaPauvre . ? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing lis t ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Mon Jun 8 14:44:35 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:44:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB67C0F610E51-C54-664@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: With respect, I was at a poetry reading in which the first open-mike reader never got a word out of his mouth but stood looking at his page for maybe 3-5 seconds before he passed out, falling (thunk!) to the ground. We got him some water and sat him at a table. He was very pale. And he sat there, nursing the water/ After the last open-mike reader, he got up and read his poem. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate My hit list is full of potshots, not meant to harm. My faith in poetry is absolute. Some of its trappings I have my doubts about. Here's another classic or class act: Guy signs up for an open mike. Reads his poem and leaves before others get their turn. Slam poets who think shouting is a poetic technique. Slam poets preaching to the cafe choir. Funny quote. That's the spirit. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] hate I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a pollutants. (Just a cautionary.) "Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet tee-shirt contest." --Richard LaPauvre . _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 14:47:27 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:47:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB67C0F610E51-C54-664@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Except for his actually reading aloud, that's really great. I'm a big fan of silent readings. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > With respect, > > > > I was at a poetry reading in which the first open-mike reader never got a > word out of his mouth but stood looking at his page for maybe 3-5 seconds > before he passed out, falling (thunk!) to the ground. We got him some water > and sat him at a table. He was very pale. And he sat there, nursing the > water/ After the last open-mike reader, he got up and read his poem. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > > > My hit list is full of potshots, not meant to harm. My faith in poetry is > absolute. Some of its trappings I have my doubts about. > > Here's another classic or class act: Guy signs up for an open mike. Reads > his poem and leaves before others get their turn. > > Slam poets who think shouting is a poetic technique. Slam poets preaching > to the cafe choir. > > Funny quote. That's the spirit. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 1:43 pm > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] hate > > I think I hate many of the same things (and many more!) as well and nearly > as long as anyone on the list. But the deep human delight and opening in > both writing and reading (especially in this time when there are so many > fine poets), so far out-weighs whatever bothers us, I feel, they are but > peeves, Andy Rooney material, fun to list and torque, a place for agreement > and fun, but over-serious attention can make them, if not toxic, a > pollutants. (Just a cautionary.) > > > > ?Trying win a prize for poetry, is like entering your mother in a wet > tee-shirt contest.? > > --Richard > LaPauvre > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > *New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu* > > *http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry* > > > ------------------------------ > > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 14:54:02 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:54:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. Mark At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, >Anny > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><halvard at gmail.com> wrote: >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >a ten-foot cliche. > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >at 78rpm? > >Hal > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >small room." > --Pascal > > >Halvard Johnson >================ >halvard at gmail.com >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal likes. > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best you can. > >--Bob > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Mon Jun 8 14:59:39 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:59:39 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906070055p33b2417dy9a17919b902251fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB673D434C0C2-C54-2DD@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: >And the ever multiplying number of Poet Laureates, coming soon to a >locality near you. Investment banking firms, deprived of large >bonuses, have begun to honor senior managers with one-year >appointments like 'Poet Laureate of the 64th Floor' (as reported in >the Wall Street Journal). >On this one I respectfully disagree. It's not that there are too >many laureates, but an insufficiency of monarchs. If there's a Poet >Laureate of the 64th Floor shouldn't there be at least a king or >queen of same, not to speak of jesters, equerries, concubines etc? Why is the above in quotes? Only the shadow knows the ways of computers. An Insufficiency of Monarchs, it occurs to me, is like a gaggle of guess or a hearing of lamas. Mark, who spreadeth wisdom. From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:02:11 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:02:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> How do you account for her?marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, too much tequila? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer.? ? Mark? ? At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her,? >Anny? >? >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><halvard at gmail.com> wrote:? >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with? >a ten-foot cliche.? >? >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good? >at 78rpm?? >? >Hal? >? >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >small room."? > --Pascal? >? >? >Halvard Johnson? >================? >halvard at gmail.com? >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home? >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com? >http://www.hamiltonstone.org? >? >? >? >? >? >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:? >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal likes.? >? >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best you can.? >? >--Bob? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >? >? >? >--? >Anny Ballardini? >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/? >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078? >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star!? >Friedrich Nietzsche? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? 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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:02 PM, wrote: > How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, too > much tequila? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weiss > Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate > > Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. > > Mark > > At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a > matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > >Anny > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><< > mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> > wrote: > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with > >a ten-foot cliche. > > > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > >at 78rpm? > > > >Hal > > > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a > >small room." > > --Pascal > > > > > >Halvard Johnson > >================ > >halvard at gmail.com > > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><< > mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> > wrote: > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. > Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal > likes. > > > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff > that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best > you can. > > > >--Bob > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Anny Ballardini > >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > >Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 15:18:12 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:18:12 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906081210v3e12a3e6ga31e187bce39e015@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906081210v3e12a3e6ga31e187bce39e015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906081218s4bdfcbf2q38de56154c4b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> I would like to add: Have you ever met Hal? He is an incredibly smart guy, I can understand why his wife married him, :-) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah, this is a good one! I am laughing... > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:02 PM, wrote: > >> How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary insanity, >> too much tequila? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Weiss >> Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate >> >> Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer. >> >> Mark >> >> At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >> >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She is >as a >> matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, >> >Anny >> > >> >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard Johnson ><< >> mailto:halvard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with >> >a ten-foot cliche. >> > >> >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good >> >at 78rpm? >> > >> >Hal >> > >> >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a >> >small room." >> > --Pascal >> > >> > >> >Halvard Johnson >> >================ >> >halvard at gmail.com >> >> >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> >> >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> >http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Grumman ><< >> mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> >> wrote: >> >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list all >wrong. >> Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and drop >the ones Hal >> likes. >> > >> >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that great >stuff >> that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and imitating >it as best >> you can. >> > >> >--Bob >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Anny Ballardini >> >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> >> >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> >> >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >Friedrich Nietzsche >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------ >> *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also very funny and a damned good writer. > >Mark > >At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She > is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her, > >Anny > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard > Johnson ><<mailto:hal > vard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> wrote: > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with > >a ten-foot cliche. > > > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good > >at 78rpm? > > > >Hal > > > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in > a >small room." > > --Pascal > > > > > >Halvard Johnson > >================ > ><mailto:halvard at gmai > l.com>halvard at gmail.com > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > >< m>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > ><http:/ > /www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob > Grumman ><< et?>mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list > all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and > drop >the ones Hal likes. > > > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that > great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and > imitating >it as best you can. > > > >--Bob > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Anny Ballardini > >< pot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > >< /5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > >Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:23:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:23:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB685CC1F04E8-153C-202@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? In fact, the?explosion of theme-based anthologies. I have a lot of nerve bringing this one?up... http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 15:26:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:26:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] hate In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906050502m43d64ff2h39c436ebc4fb73a9@mail.gmail.com><8CBB5282D92E3A0-1098-1145@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com><8CBB5E342371738-1554-243B@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com><4A2D4432.50801@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70906080948p78a0bb4dla261a2b4dc8b69da@mail.gmail.com><8CBB682C3562F6F-153C-75@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB68620EB7295-153C-23C@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Ah, love in a stereophonic trace; that explains it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate Overwhelming generosity of spirit. And his recdord collection.? ? At 03:02 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? >How do you account for her marrying Hal...bad luck, temporary >insanity, too much tequila?? >? >? >-----Original Message-----? >From: Mark Weiss ? >Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:54 pm? >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] hate? >? >Ditto. Also very funny and a damned good writer.? >? >Mark? >? >At 12:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:? > >I agree with the one where Hal says he has a wonderful wife. She > is >as a matter of fact a beautiful woman, my best regards to her,? > >Anny? > >? > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Halvard > Johnson ><<mailto:hal > vard at gmail.com>halvard at gmail.com> wrote:? > >Good rule of thumb, Bob. Stay away from anything I'd touch with? > >a ten-foot cliche.? > >? > >Ever hear of the guy who'd only buy an LP if it also sounded good? > >at 78rpm?? > >? > >Hal? > >? > >"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in > a >small room."? > > --Pascal? > >? > >? > >Halvard Johnson? > >================? > ><mailto:halvard at gmai > l.com>halvard at gmail.com? > >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home? > >< m>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? > >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com? > ><http:/ > /www.hamiltonstone.org>http://www.hamiltonstone.org? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob > Grumman ><< et?>mailto:bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:? > >Gee, after skimming Hal's post, I realize I had James's list > all >wrong. Basically, I'd keep the entries Hal wants to drop, and > drop >the ones Hal likes.? > >? > >But don't pay any attention to me, folks--keep praising that > great >stuff that APR and Poetry and the New Yorker publish, and > imitating >it as best you can.? > >? > >--Bob? > >? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > >? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > ><m > ailto:New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >--? > >Anny Ballardini? > >< pot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >? > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? > >< /5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >? > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star!? > >Friedrich Nietzsche? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >New-Poetry mailing list? > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >----------? >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? 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All deja vu, what is innovative here, what is there to learn, another bunch of papers on the market (do not worry to bother Bob Grindmen, I am trying out my best) and CONGRATULATIONS congratulations CONGRATULATIONS !!!!! Proudest, Anny On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, wrote: > How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? > In fact, the explosion of theme-based anthologies. > > I have a lot of nerve bringing this one up... > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark At 03:23 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >How about anthologies of dog poems, of cat poems, of hamster poems? >In fact, the explosion of theme-based anthologies. > >I have a lot of nerve bringing this one up... > >http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jun 8 18:57:41 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:57:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: even Bob & Spx can "get along" In-Reply-To: References: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4A2D9765.7010500@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Bob G. wrote: >> >> Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is >> everything. And those who think it of little or no value. > > Classy, Bob -- thanks. Of great value, surely, but never "everything" > > While I'm here: > > The balloon poem: > > "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld -- > puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by > poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. > > As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's > four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: > Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. > > To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): > > (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, a-good-thing); > need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. > (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this > bitch of an earth." > (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist > touch) plus (parental) > admonition...but further: generalizing > loss-potential (hats) > -- we might all be swept away. > (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of > the "Rapture"!) > > L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, > > SPX Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! Thanks, Barry--interesting stuff I didn't know about. "Anagogical" is a neato word I seem always to be running across and never know the meaning of, though I look it up sometimes. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 8 19:52:48 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:52:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid Message-ID: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Hamsteroid Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments the alphabet of the marathon gnawer of sterile kilometers jumping onto a wheel I spin in the air around its axis welded to two cage-walls with four paws wrinkled forehead shiny eyes and snout stretched toward the horizon in this way I complete endless journeys on the round vehicle of my solitude birdmouse flying inside bars it finally alights with a thud with my heavy body I lie on the bottom of the cage legs apart small paw on chest like Napoleon after Sedan S?vres Sestri?re Senegal and the hag tells me eat the rye and turnip soup don?t touch the coffeepot it?s not your helmet the galloping stops everything stops away goes the blonde lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, (Translation Press, 1981) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reminds me of my as yet unwritten poem "Hemorrhoids from Outer Space."* *Hal * *"Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > Hamsteroid > > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > the alphabet of the marathon > gnawer of sterile kilometers > jumping onto a wheel > I spin in the air > around its axis welded > to two cage-walls > with four paws > wrinkled forehead > shiny eyes and snout > stretched toward the horizon > in this way I complete endless journeys > on the round vehicle > of my solitude > birdmouse flying inside bars > it finally alights with a thud > with my heavy body > I lie on the bottom of the cage > legs apart > small paw on chest > like Napoleon after Sedan > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > and the hag tells me > eat the rye and turnip soup > don?t touch the coffeepot > it?s not your helmet > the galloping stops > everything stops > away goes the blonde > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > > ?Bartolo Cattafi, *The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems*, translated by > Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, > (Translation Press, 1981) > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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Eastern Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! ==================== Well, along with describing good ways to torture people you don't like. --Bob ======================== Luckily for us, Bob, everyone in Hell seems to be Italian! ======================================== David Graham _grahamd at ripon.edu_ (mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu) Home Page: _http://web.mac.com/drjazz_ (http://web.mac.com/drjazz) Poetry Library: _http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html_ (http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html) ========================================== = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. 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Eastern Daylight Time, > grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Hey, Dante may have been useful for something, after all! > > ==================== > > Well, along with describing good ways to torture people you don't like. > > --Bob > > ======================== > > Luckily for us, Bob, everyone in Hell seems to be Italian! > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbarfor local deals at your fingertips. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jun 8 22:49:05 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:49:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: even Bob & Spx can "get along" In-Reply-To: References: <200906080303.n5833va2017550@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906081949x13291723o9d3034c3f00604d3@mail.gmail.com> Barry Barry, introducing Bob to new words---what were you thinking?! Now we'll have to live with an anagogically correct Himself and read new dissertations on the taxonomy of angelic orders and evil beings in academic poetry circles. You were so better in the banana days. Ah well, at least we have one Italian on the list, so there's some consolation. Sheena 2009/6/8 Barry Spacks > > On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Bob G. wrote: > >> >> Oh, gotta do this one for Barry: poets who think innovation is >> everything. And those who think it of little or no value. >> > > Classy, Bob -- thanks. Of great value, surely, but never "everything" > > While I'm here: > > The balloon poem: > > "Hold on to your" -- given that the string is already unheld > -- > puts in my mind the default "hat" or "hats" to follow, by > poetic implication broadening the cautionary moral. > > As to your four layers, a nice modernizing of Dante's > four levels of meaning in the famous Letter to Con Grande: > Literal, Historical, Tropilogical, Anagogical. > > To apply his scheme to the balloon, we have (briefly): > > (1) LITERAL: kid loses balloon (maybe, pace Annie, > a-good-thing); > need for caution in general as follow-up admonition. > (2) HISTORICAL: typical happening (loss, accident) on "this > bitch of an earth." > (3) TROPAIC: a figure for loss of "attachment" (Buddhist > touch) plus (parental) > admonition...but further: generalizing > loss-potential (hats) > -- we might all be swept away. > (4) ANAGOGICAL: things rise toward God-realm (shades of > the "Rapture"!) > > L'chaim, and hats off to Judy, friend both to Lion and Lamb, > > SPX > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's too much fun to be about poets. - Jim On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > Hamsteroid > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > the alphabet of the marathon > gnawer of sterile kilometers > jumping onto a wheel > I spin in the air > around its axis welded > to two cage-walls > with four paws > wrinkled forehead > shiny eyes and snout > stretched toward the horizon > in this way I complete endless journeys > on the round vehicle > of my solitude > birdmouse flying inside bars > it finally alights with a thud > with my heavy body > I lie on the bottom of the cage > legs apart > small paw on chest > like Napoleon after Sedan > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > and the hag tells me > eat the rye and turnip soup > don?t touch the coffeepot > it?s not your helmet > the galloping stops > everything stops > away goes the blonde > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth > Feldman & Brian Swan, > (Translation Press, 1981) > > ________________________________ > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 12:25:04 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:25:04 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid In-Reply-To: <648208b60906090600i508e8edeo60c3c483c805d407@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60906090600i508e8edeo60c3c483c805d407@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906090925i5ad8bc20g8023ba4739130315@mail.gmail.com> I thought the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th lines were about poets: jumping onto a wheel I spin in the air around its axis welded to two cage-walls On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > What a great cartoon, among other things. Are the first three lines > about some poets? Nah, belay that. It's too much fun to be about > poets. > > - Jim > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, wrote: > > > > Hamsteroid > > > > Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments > > the alphabet of the marathon > > gnawer of sterile kilometers > > jumping onto a wheel > > I spin in the air > > around its axis welded > > to two cage-walls > > with four paws > > wrinkled forehead > > shiny eyes and snout > > stretched toward the horizon > > in this way I complete endless journeys > > on the round vehicle > > of my solitude > > birdmouse flying inside bars > > it finally alights with a thud > > with my heavy body > > I lie on the bottom of the cage > > legs apart > > small paw on chest > > like Napoleon after Sedan > > S?vres Sestri?re Senegal > > and the hag tells me > > eat the rye and turnip soup > > don?t touch the coffeepot > > it?s not your helmet > > the galloping stops > > everything stops > > away goes the blonde > > lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > > ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, translated by Ruth > > Feldman & Brian Swan, > > (Translation Press, 1981) > > > > ________________________________ > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 9 13:05:13 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:05:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! Anny Ballardini wrote: > Folks! > Poets! > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 9 13:30:48 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:30:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to?this list, deserves most of the credit. It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the permissions/rights to republish...that was a real chore. Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... Here's _Visiting Frost_ http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm and _Visiting Emily_ http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed!? ? Anny Ballardini wrote:? > Folks!? > Poets!? >? > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark,? > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors!? >? >? >? >? > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? >? >? >? >? > -- > Anny Ballardini? > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/? > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078? > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star!? > Friedrich Nietzsche? >? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 9 13:37:23 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:37:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> Message-ID: Likewise. Could said listowner be persuaded to send us the table of contents? Mark At 01:05 PM 6/9/2009, you wrote: >This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! > >Anny Ballardini wrote: >>Folks! >>Poets! >> >>Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, >>Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, >>felt congratulations to the Editors! >> >> >> >> >> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Anny Ballardini >>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >>Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >-- >Tad Richards >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 9 13:56:17 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:56:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamsteroid In-Reply-To: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB6AB5CD011E3-60C-1DF6@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Carlos' Hamster is very different. The sequence is from the point of view of the male, who refers to the female as Hamster. This is Carlos' small non-sequential selection from the 82 short poems that make up the full set. He seems to have selected romantically; in another mood the selection would probably be very different. Small mysteries. The acyclical flux of piss-smell, The newspaper of the underworld. The edge of this place *** Drunk on the fumes of a new bed of cedar chips I zigzag to the salt-lick. *** I can see Hamster's eyes in the dark. Why won't she sleep? Now she squeaks a little and digs a little; maybe she?s hurt. *** A plant has started to peek at us from around a corner. *** Quick nose quicker than the eyes changes everything *** Ever so quiet she draws up behind I always know Her paws set the tiny forests of each eye stretching back whiskers aslant ready now to engage, now. We touch noses without looking At 07:52 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Hamsteroid > > >Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments >the alphabet of the marathon >gnawer of sterile kilometers >jumping onto a wheel >I spin in the air >around its axis welded >to two cage-walls >with four paws >wrinkled forehead >shiny eyes and snout >stretched toward the horizon >in this way I complete endless journeys >on the round vehicle >of my solitude >birdmouse flying inside bars >it finally alights with a thud >with my heavy body >I lie on the bottom of the cage >legs apart >small paw on chest >like Napoleon after Sedan >S??vres Sestri??re Senegal >and the hag tells me >eat the rye and turnip soup >don???t touch the coffeepot >it???s not your helmet >the galloping stops >everything stops >away goes the blonde >lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. > >?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected >poems, trranslated by Ruth Feldman & Brian Swan, >(Translation Press, 1981) > >---------- >An Excellent Credit Score is 750. >See >Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:30:00 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:30:00 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] forwarding from Mark Young, Editor of Otoliths Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906091130n107d74x297799f01bf25c9f@mail.gmail.com> Lars Palm's ungovernable press has just made available for download my e-chap *terracotta worriers*. Any similarity between the poem titles & the chapter headings of Sun Tzu's *The Art of War* is purely coincidental. & Bill Allegrezza's Moria books recently published my *More from* *Series Magritte *as both a downloadable pdf & a purchasable hardcopy. Scroll down to the bottom of the webpage to find it. The earlier *from Series Magritte* is halfway down the page. & a reminder that *Pelican Dreaming: Poems 1959-2008*, selected & with an introduction by Thomas Fink, is available from Eileen Tabios' Meritage Press . Apologies for pushing my own barrow, blowing my own trumpet, or (please insert here any other similar clich? that comes to mind)..... Cheers Mark Young -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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This is Carlos' small > non-sequential selection from the 82 short poems that make up the full set. > He seems to have selected romantically; in another mood the selection would > probably be very different. > > Small mysteries. > The acyclical flux > of piss-smell, > The newspaper of the > underworld. > The edge of this place > > *** > Drunk on the fumes > of a new bed of cedar chips > I zigzag to the salt-lick. > > *** > > I can see Hamster's eyes in the dark. > Why won't she sleep? > Now she squeaks a little > and digs a little; > maybe she?s hurt. > > *** > > A plant has started > to peek at us > from around a > corner. > > *** > > Quick nose > quicker than the eyes > changes everything > > *** > Ever so quiet > she draws up behind > I always know > > Her paws set > the tiny forests of each eye > stretching back > whiskers aslant > ready now > to engage, now. > > We touch noses without looking > > > > > > At 07:52 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > > Hamsteroid >> >> >> Hamsteroid that knows the rudiments >> the alphabet of the marathon >> gnawer of sterile kilometers >> jumping onto a wheel >> I spin in the air >> around its axis welded >> to two cage-walls >> with four paws >> wrinkled forehead >> shiny eyes and snout >> stretched toward the horizon >> in this way I complete endless journeys >> on the round vehicle >> of my solitude >> birdmouse flying inside bars >> it finally alights with a thud >> with my heavy body >> I lie on the bottom of the cage >> legs apart >> small paw on chest >> like Napoleon after Sedan >> S?vres Sestri?re Senegal >> and the hag tells me >> eat the rye and turnip soup >> don?t touch the coffeepot >> it?s not your helmet >> the galloping stops >> everything stops >> away goes the blonde >> lady sutler of the destroyed regiment. >> >> ?Bartolo Cattafi, The Dry Air of Fire: selected poems, trranslated by Ruth >> Feldman & Brian Swan, >> (Translation Press, 1981) >> >> ---------- >> An Excellent Credit Score is 750. < >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir>See >> Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 15:18:47 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:18:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks interesting. Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Folks! > Poets! > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, felt > congratulations to the Editors! > > > >>> >>> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm >>> >>> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 15:33:22 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner Message-ID: <309576.4815.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Whoa!? Going to order a copy pronto!? Big congrats, Mr. Finnegan!? Why so modest though? Thanks for pointing it out, Anny! Best, Amy ?Anny Ballardini wrote: Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, felt congratulations to the Editors! http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 9 15:50:36 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:50:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss Moore? I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. A Mind Of Winter I recognize the pose: casual cool, one arm spread along the top slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all. For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life. Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing. So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction. His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form. By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. Flume Press, 2000. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to this list, deserves > most of the credit. > It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. > Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the > permissions/rights to republish...that was a real chore. > > Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... > Here's _Visiting Frost_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm > and _Visiting Emily_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm > Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner > > This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Folks! > > Poets! > > > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a > comment, > felt congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > > dancing star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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You Finnegan, opps Mr. Finnegan! and did you see, "it's all Dennis Barone's fault, kids, I didn't do anything, they just didn't know what to write on the cover and they put my name..." On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:33 PM, amy king wrote: > Whoa! Going to order a copy pronto! Big congrats, Mr. Finnegan! Why so > modest though? > > Thanks for pointing it out, Anny! > > Best, > Amy > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > >> Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, >> Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? 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Visiting Miss > Moore? > > I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all publishers > don't list such on their web sites.) > > I am > among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. > > *A Mind Of Winter* > > I recognize the pose: casual cool, > one arm spread along the top slat > of the bench, legs wide in disdain, > a gaze aiming at unreadable. > For two days he's sprawled at ease > near the student union, making it clear > he's not moving come class or final. > The season's second snowfall > glazes his face and limbs. > The fact that he's sculpted in snow > explains much of his immobility > but not all. For he's so much the ghost > of the unlistener, that back-row child > who passes through wisdom > as through the weather, elemental > and unaltered, that I know > I've seen him sprawled over half > my life. Not to mention that > I've been that boy, chilling myself > from inside out with the ice > of unknowing. So I cannot pass > without a kind thought tossed > like a whiff of cool wind > in his direction. His eyeless gaze > cannot blink away new snow > building, nor can my squint > focus his form. By tomorrow > both our heads will have been > knocked off and reasserted > more times than we can tell. > > --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:30 PM, jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > Dennis Barone, who may still be signed on to this list, deserves most of > the credit. > It should be 'edited Dennis Barone with assistance by James Finnegan'. > Paticularly he took the lead on following up for all the permissions/rights > to republish...that was a real chore. > > Note Iowa has other anthologies along this line... > Here's _Visiting Frost_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2005-fall/cogvisfro.htm > and _Visiting Emily_ > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/pre-2002/cogvisemi.htm > Note: Thom Tammaro was on this at one point...or maybe that was CAP-L? > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A new Anthology by our List Owner > > This is very cool. I had missed it before. Congratulations, indeed! > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Folks! > > Poets! > > > > Did you visit this link? Hal, James, Mark, > > Amy, Tad, Everybody, where are you? I think it deserves a comment, > felt > congratulations to the Editors! > > > > > > > > > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing > star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 02:02:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:02:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Google's challenge Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906092302i3d449a3k513eea446466a0b5@mail.gmail.com> http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE5585XG20090609 The company has made investments in advanced geothermal and wind, but engineers in the company are focused mostly on solar thermal, a type of solar energy in which the sun's energy is used to heat up a substance that produces steam to turn a turbine. Mirrors focus the sun's rays on the heated substance. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephen Burt Their models, among older authors, were Emily Dickinson, John Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps Frank O?Hara; some had studied (or studied with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up devices from the Language writers of the West Coast. These poets were what I, eleven years ago, called ?elliptical,? what other (sometimes hostile) observers called ?New Lyric,? or ?post-avant,? or ?Third Way.? Their emblematic first book was Mark Levine?s Debt (1993), their emblematic magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their bad poems were bad surrealism, random-seeming improvisations, or comic turns hoping only to hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. (excerpt) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jun 10 17:59:39 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:59:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/burt.php > > The New Thing > The object lessons of recent American poetry > > Stephen Burt > Their models, among older authors, were Emily Dickinson, John > Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps Frank O?Hara; some had studied (or > studied with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up devices from the > Language writers of the West Coast. These poets were what I, eleven > years ago, called ?elliptical,? what other (sometimes hostile) > observers called ?New Lyric,? or ?post-avant,? or ?Third Way.? Their > emblematic first book was Mark Levine?s Debt (1993), their emblematic > magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their bad poems were bad > surrealism, random-seeming improvisations, or comic turns hoping only > to hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. > (excerpt) They sound like I called "jump-cut" poets whose generally unacknowledged source-poem was "The Wasteland." --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Wed Jun 10 18:01:13 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:01:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Not bloody likely, Bob. And also not what the article's about. After that first paragraph Burt selects a few poets whose work he likes and posits a community for them, staking his claim as definer of "the new thing." Some of the poets he writes about are pretty good (Rae Armantrout, who he sees as their predecessor, is a lot better than that), most are extremely mannered. But to each his own. Mark At 05:59 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: >jforjames at aol.com wrote: >>http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/burt.php >> >>The New Thing >>The object lessons of recent American poetry >> >>Stephen Burt >>Their models, among older authors, were Emily >>Dickinson, John Berryman, John Ashbery, perhaps >>Frank O???Hara; some had studied (or studied >>with) Jorie Graham, and many had picked up >>devices from the Language writers of the West >>Coast. These poets were what I, eleven years >>ago, called ???elliptical,??? what other >>(sometimes hostile) observers called ???New >>Lyric,??? or ???post-avant,??? or ???Third >>Way.??? Their emblematic first book was Mark >>Levine???s Debt (1993), their emblematic >>magazine probably Fence (founded 1998); their >>bad poems were bad surrealism, random-seeming >>improvisations, or comic turns hoping only to >>hold an audience, whether or not they had something to say. >>(excerpt) >They sound like I called "jump-cut" poets whose >generally unacknowledged source-poem was "The Wasteland." > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 18:38:31 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:38:31 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The New Thing In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB82274DD2944-1628-E61@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> <4A302CCB.8070603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: these are not the elliptical poets, btw (Jeanne Marie Beaumont, Susan Wheeler -- poets about ten years older and NOT coming out of Iowa during the Graham years), nor what Cal Bedient's tried to name in the Boston Review; one also wonders why so many of the poets in this year's commissioned Boston Review essay-review trying to create a school of poetry are called the new thing but use archaisms (Treadwell) and I apparently don't know any of the east coast langpos? 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Is that not right? If not, who was? And if it was, I'll gladly award him the right to put anyone he wants to under the umbrella. Even if I think it's a vague and unhelpful umbrella. . . . And in any case, as you might imagine of anything termed "the new thing," that's precisely the one thing it ain't: new. Personally I like Bob G's "jump-cut" better as a label, and I'd go back at least as far as Eliot & Williams to trace the lineage, probably through the Objectivists from there, and so forth. If one needs labels, of course. And if one needs to be "new," also. I think it's much overrated as a yardstick, myself. For instance, just arrived on my desk today is B. H. Fairchild's new collection, *Usher*, from Norton. If you're looking for his heritage, it isn't hard to discern: poets like Frost, Keats, & Wordsworth, more recently probably Philip Levine, William Stafford, James Wright. In other words, a lyric/narrative poet, a poet of place, a contemporary Romantic. Deep roots in the oldest traditions. Nothing flashy, stylistically. His freshness is subtler stuff, and akin to what Frost once called "the old-fashioned way to be new." In any case, Fairchild is about the farthest thing imaginable from what's currently fashionable or "new." And he is, in my opinion, one of the best poets we've got right now, though it's unlikely anyone is going to round him up into any "school" and claim great things for his style. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 00:25:50 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:25:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. Mark At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: >http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary Evening in New Haven??? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > >---------- >Dell >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 10:51:57 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace John Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long?? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The?Voice of Wallace Stevens? Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you? Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Howe, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann L auterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo? Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in th e Hotel Lobby Bar ?http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure.?Neither?Dennis nor I are working on anything.?I imagine IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had?most of the poems (above)?collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of? making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: Congratulations, Jim. ?I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. ?(Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) ? Do you know if others are in the works? ?Eliot? ?Pound? ?Visiting Miss Moore? ? I also would love to see a table of contents. ?(Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among?the?least?Stevensian?poets?this?side?of?Charles?Bukowski,?but?I've?always?loved?his?work.??Here's?the?closest?thing?I?have?to?a?poem?in?tribute?to?Wallace,?a?spin-off?from?my?all-time?favorite?of?his,?and?among?my?favorite?lyric s?of?all?time. A Mind Of Winter ? I recognize the pose:? casual cool, one arm spread along the top slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all.? For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life.? Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing.? So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction.? His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form.? By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. ?Flume Press, 2000. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues > caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not > sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open > to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the > poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the > book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing > permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of > these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line > securing the permissions. > Finnegan > > > > =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not >> just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited >> the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) >> Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss >> Moore? >> >> I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all >> publishers don't list such on their web sites.) >> >> I am >> among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. >> >> *A Mind Of Winter* >> >> I recognize the pose: casual cool, >> one arm spread along the t op slat >> of the bench, legs wide in disdain, >> a gaze aiming at unreadable. >> For two days he's sprawled at ease >> near the student union, making it clear >> he's not moving come class or final. >> The season's second snowfall >> glazes his face and limbs. >> The fact that he's sculpted in snow >> explains much of his immobility >> but not all. For he's so much the ghost >> of the unlistener, that back-row child >> who passes through wisdom >> as through the weather, elemental >> and unaltered, that I know >> I've seen him sprawled over half >> my life. Not to mention that >> I've been that boy, chilling myself >> from inside out with the ice >> of unknowing. So I cannot pass >> without a kind thought tossed >> like a whiff of cool wind >> in his direction. His eyeless gaze >> cannot blink away new snow >> building, nor can my squint >> focus his form. By tomorrow >> both our heads will have been >> knocked off and reasserted >> more times than we can tell. >> >> --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jun 11 12:08:21 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:08:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org> <8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> <4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com> <8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0906110908m3c2076f0t52b52caa48b9545e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, James, For some reason I don't see my name listed [doubtless an oversight]. Why don't I send you the poems again, and you can include them in your next anthology? Best, Judy 2009/6/11 > This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues > caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not > sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open > to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the > poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the > book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing > permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of > these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line > securing the permissions. > Finnegan > > > > =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Congratulations, Jim. I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not >> just because I'm in three of them. (Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited >> the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) >> Do you know if others are in the works? Eliot? Pound? Visiting Miss >> Moore? >> >> I also would love to see a table of contents. (Beats me why all >> publishers don't list such on their web sites.) >> >> I am >> among the least Stevensian poets this side of Charles Bukowski, but I've always loved his work. Here's the closest thing I have to a poem in tribute to Wallace, a spin-off from my all-time favorite of his, and among my favorite lyrics of all time. >> >> *A Mind Of Winter* >> >> I recognize the pose: casual cool, >> one arm spread along the t op slat >> of the bench, legs wide in disdain, >> a gaze aiming at unreadable. >> For two days he's sprawled at ease >> near the student union, making it clear >> he's not moving come class or final. >> The season's second snowfall >> glazes his face and limbs. >> The fact that he's sculpted in snow >> explains much of his immobility >> but not all. For he's so much the ghost >> of the unlistener, that back-row child >> who passes through wisdom >> as through the weather, elemental >> and unaltered, that I know >> I've seen him sprawled over half >> my life. Not to mention that >> I've been that boy, chilling myself >> from inside out with the ice >> of unknowing. So I cannot pass >> without a kind thought tossed >> like a whiff of cool wind >> in his direction. His eyeless gaze >> cannot blink away new snow >> building, nor can my squint >> focus his form. By tomorrow >> both our heads will have been >> knocked off and reasserted >> more times than we can tell. >> >> --fr. *Stutter Monk*. Flume Press, 2000. >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 13:46:07 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:46:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu><4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gmail.com><8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. Dennis and I each?had a group of poems?we knew that would fit the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about poems that might? meet our needs.? I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for a new and expanded edition. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Glass Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the anthology...? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace=0 AJohn Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long?? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The?Voice of Wallace Stevens? Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you? Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann Lauterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from20Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo? Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar ?http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm? As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure.?Neither?Dennis nor I are working on anything.?I imagine=2 0IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had?most of the poems (above)?collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of? making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own money on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan =0 A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Graham wrote: Congratulations, Jim. ?I love this series of books from U Iowa, and not just because I'm in three of them. ?(Thom Tammaro and Sheila Coghill edited the anthologies on Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, and Emily Dickinson.) ? Do you know if others are in the works? ?Eliot? ?Pound? ?Visiting Miss Moore? ? I also would love to see a table of contents. ?(Beats me why all publishers don't list such on their web sites.) I am among?the?least?Stevensian?poets?this?side?of?Charles?Bukowski,?but?I've?always?loved?his?work.??Here's?the?closest?thing?I?have?to?a?poem?in?tribute?to?Wallace,?a?spin-off?from?my?all-time?favorite?of?his,?and?among?my?favorite?lyrics?of?all?time. A Mind Of Winter ? I recognize the pose:? casual cool, one arm spread along the t op slat of the bench, legs wide in disdain, a gaze aiming at unreadable. For two days he's sprawled at ease near the student union, making it clear he's not moving come class or final. The season's second snowfall glazes his face and limbs. The fact that he's sculpted in snow explains much of his immobility but not all.? For he's so much the ghost of the unlistener, that back-row child who passes through wisdom as through the weather, elemental and unaltered, that I know I've seen him sprawled over half my life.? Not to mention that I've been that boy, chilling myself from inside out with the ice of unknowing.? So I cannot pass without a kind thought tossed like a whiff of cool wind in his direction.? His eyeless gaze cannot blink away new snow building, nor can my squint focus his form.? By tomorrow both our heads will have been knocked off and reasserted more times than we can tell. --fr. Stutter Monk. ?Flume Press, 2000. ? Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:05:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:05:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 Message-ID: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> http://www.journal1913.org/home.html I didn't know about this journal. (Bob Grumman's to blame for being remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:16:57 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:16:57 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0906111116n76fa0120pae5c867130e7383d@mail.gmail.com> 1913 is a fine journal. I've had some friends in it, and one of my grad-school mentors, Andrew Zawacki, won their editor's prize a couple of years ago. Thanks for sharing, Jim. Jeff Newberry On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, wrote: > http://www.journal1913.org/home.html > > I didn't know about this journal. (Bob Grumman's to blame for being remiss > in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danthomasglass at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:24:30 2009 From: danthomasglass at gmail.com (Dan Glass) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:24:30 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0906111116n76fa0120pae5c867130e7383d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0906111116n76fa0120pae5c867130e7383d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I second that-- 1913's consistently one of the more interesting explorations of experimental formalism. A beautiful, and beautifully-produced, journal. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > 1913 is a fine journal. I've had some friends in it, and one of my > grad-school mentors, Andrew Zawacki, won their editor's prize a couple of > years ago. > > Thanks for sharing, Jim. > > Jeff Newberry > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, wrote: > >> http://www.journal1913.org/home.html >> >> I didn't know about this journal. 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:39:44 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:39:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Remember I don't post only those things I agree with...it's my job as CC to this list,?to drag the web for things that might be?of use to our intermittent discussions. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense.? ? Mark? ? At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:? >http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html? >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary Evening in New Haven??? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture.? >? >----------? >Dell >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops.? >__________ _____________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 15:56:44 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:56:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906090931h6e0710e6gb7c78180395b9c4c@mail.gmail.com><4A2E9649.5010706@opus40.org><8CBB73F298EDC53-604-5E6@we bmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com><4A0C1A66-4A71-4F93-B9BA-C36F23B97051@ripon.edu><4b65c2d70906091309w705b21e7oc1380837b636086e@mail.gm ail.com><8CBB8BB4CB80178-A90-B42@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A31617C.4040600@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. > (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) > > Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. > Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit > the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: > Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or > another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about > poems that might > meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. > I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer > shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. > > So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced > together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for > a new and expanded edition. > Finnegan If so, Jim, at least take a glance at the Stevens poem of mine that I posted at New-Poetry about the the, one of five or six Stevens poems I've done, one of them in my book, Of Manywhere-at-Once, which is probably twenty percent about Stevens. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:05:01 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:05:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> I anyhow agree on 'Beauty' and I also think that Poetry, or any other Art should remember it/She - la bellezza, la beaute', die Schoenheit, la belleza, they are all feminine. Literary and Art Criticism, as much as Philosophy or Sociology have their own jobs to do, and since Mark is here, also Psychology has its own burden. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, wrote: > Remember I don't post only those things I agree with...it's my job as CC to > this list, to drag the web for things that might be of use to our > intermittent discussions. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weiss > Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > > Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings are about bleak absence and > the anxiety caused by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's point of > view, its loveliness interrupted by a starkly terrified outburst, and > Stevens is most often engaged with the slipperiness of what we call reality. > But that's just a start. I read the article. This is some sort of neocon > nonsense. > > Mark > > At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< > http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap way to stimulate an > >audience, and a betrayal of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as Stevens reveals the beautyy >of > ???An Ordinary Evening in New H aven?? and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer > of 1915. But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost their >position at the > forefront of modern culture. > > > >---------- > >< > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell>Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of > laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at > $449. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 15:14:21 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:14:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty Message-ID: I know. It's not you who pisses me off, but the interface often takes one on the nose for the guilty party. It might help if you didn't with some consistency quote the most inflamatory passage. Beauty is of course never defined in the article, but the two scenes he paints as examples are a Disneyesque moment in what passes for nature and a table set for Norman Rockwell's Thanksgiving. The proximate cause of Scruton's outrage (which I'd guess really dates back to the merciless ribbing he must have taken in the schoolyard over that name) seems to be a setting of Mozart's Abduction from the Seraglio in a whore house, replete with all manner of violence. I generally agree about the removal of works entirely from their original settings--it's worth an audience making an effort at understanding a bit about the culture surrounding the original composition--but I know that theater economics often require radical restaging of often-performed works to draw in a bored audience. So we get Branagh's unutterably stupid fin de siecle Viennese Hamlet (not mentioned in the article), and this Abduction. Mozart has been unusually afflicted with this kind of thing. On the other hand, Abduction, beautiful as the music is, is so insubstantial dramatically (as opposed to the other major Mozart operas) that the director's temptation must be especially strong. Scruton seems to think that the dark turn of the art of this past century has been a whim on the part of artists and critics. I would guess that it has more to do with living in a time when wars that cause fewer than half a million civilian deaths aren't worth mentioning. A defining moment might be the end of All Quiet on the Western Front, when the hero gets killed reaching towards a butterfly. Mark At 02:39 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >with...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions. >Finnegan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. > >Mark > >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevenss reveals the beautyy >of ????An > Ordinary Evening in NeNew H aven????? > and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 19155. > But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost > their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > > > >---------- > >< 08777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell > >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! > Shop Dell's full line of laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >---------- >Dell >Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 15:25:49 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:25:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB8DB1F8C1AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd guess you didn't read the article, Anny, and I'm not suggesting you do. Among the works he cites as deliberately anti-beauty is Berg's Lulu, which I think extravagantly beautiful, though it's about a girl of questionable morals. What he's really advocating, from a barely-concealed conservative Christian position, is beauty-as-sweetness, as opposed to art that makes one uncomfortable enough to question. That, and he doesn't conceal his dislike of abstraction--beauty is for him about depiction of "reality." So much for Rothko. What would he do with Balthus, I wonder, or for that matter Dryden and Davenant's romp through The Tempest, which has to be the high temple of its kind of beauty? The D&D Tempest is great fun, by the way, if you can suppress your gag reflex. Like Mel Brooks taking on the Sublime. Mark At 03:05 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >I anyhow agree on 'Beauty' > >and I also think that Poetry, or any other Art >should remember it/She - la bellezza, la >beaute', die Schoenheit, la belleza, they are all feminine. >Literary and Art Criticism, as much as >Philosophy or Sociology have their own jobs to >do, and since Mark is here, also Psychology has its own burden. > >On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, ><jforjames at aol.com> wrote: >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >with...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions. >Finnegan > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net> >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty > >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense. > >Mark > >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html > > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevens reveals the beautyy >of ???An Ordinary > Evening in New H aven?? and >Barber that of > Knoxville: Summer of 1915. But >somehow those > great life-affirmers lost their >position at the forefront of modern culture. > > > > >---------- > >< 08777x1201444407/aol?redir%3EDell>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir>Dell > >Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! > Shop Dell's full line of laptops. > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >---------- >Dell >Deals: Don't miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:51:00 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:51:00 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree with Roger Scruton. I would have probably chosen different authors and a different style, but he is fundamentally speaking my own language. At some time during the aftermath of modernism, beauty ceased to receive those tributes. The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, lay not in beauty but in expression. [...] from the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, and Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the *nouveau roman*. But somehow those great life-affirmers lost their position at the forefront of modern culture. [Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, and meaningless pain with which contemporary cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin Tarantino having little else in their emotional repertories. *What do we make of this, and how do we find our way back to the thing so many people long for, which is the vision of beauty?* There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, a hunger that our popular art fails to recognize and our serious art often defies. I used the word ?desecration? to describe the attitude conveyed by Bieito?s production of *Die Entf?hrung* and by Serrano?s lame efforts at meaning something. What exactly does this word imply? It is connected, etymologically and semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with the ideas of sanctity and the sacred. Look at any picture by one of the great landscape painters?Poussin, Guardi, Turner, Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of beauty celebrated and fixed in images. Poets have expended thousands of words on this experience, which no words seem entirely to capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred down the ages, reminding people as diverse as Plato and Calvino, Virgil and Baudelaire, that sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we witness in animals but the raw material of a longing that has no easy or worldly satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart by pushing his music into the background so that it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn from this? What do we gain, in terms of emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the postmodern loss of truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. That is the message of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, and it is a message that we need to listen to. Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are immediately struck by the immense hard work, the studious isolation, and the attention to detail that characterizes their craft. In art, beauty has to be *won*, but the work becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? But it is also possible to return to ordinary things in the spirit of Wallace Stevens and Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with them and that they magnify and vindicate our life. Such is the overgrown path that the early modernists once cleared for us?the *via positiva* of beauty. There is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 16:53:21 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:53:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yup, we disagree. I'm not out to "magnify and vindicate our life," but to question and explore. Mark At 03:51 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: >Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree >with Roger Scruton. I would have probably chosen >different authors and a different style, but he >is fundamentally speaking my own language. > > > >At some time during the aftermath of modernism, >beauty ceased to receive those tributes. > > >The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, >lay not in beauty but in expression. [...] from >the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, >and Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the nouveau roman. > >But somehow those great life-affirmers lost >their position at the forefront of modern culture. >[Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] > >Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, >and meaningless pain with which contemporary >cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin >Tarantino having little else in their emotional repertories. > >What do we make of this, and how do we find our >way back to the thing so many people long for, which is the vision of beauty? > >There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, >a hunger that our popular art fails to recognize >and our serious art often defies. > >I used the word ?desecration? to describe the >attitude conveyed by Bieito?s production of Die >Entf?hrung and by Serrano?s lame efforts at >meaning something. What exactly does this word >imply? It is connected, etymologically and >semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with >the ideas of sanctity and the sacred. > >Look at any picture by one of the great >landscape painters?Poussin, Guardi, Turner, >Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of >beauty celebrated and fixed in images. > >Poets have expended thousands of words on this >experience, which no words seem entirely to >capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred >down the ages, reminding people as diverse as >Plato and Calvino, Virgil and Baudelaire, that >sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we >witness in animals but the raw material of a >longing that has no easy or worldly >satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. > >Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart >by pushing his music into the background so that >it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman >carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn >from this? What do we gain, in terms of >emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? > >Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch >comes precisely from the postmodern loss of >truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral >direction. That is the message of such early >modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, and it >is a message that we need to listen to. > >Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are >immediately struck by the immense hard work, the >studious isolation, and the attention to detail >that characterizes their craft. In art, beauty >has to be won, but the work becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? > >But it is also possible to return to ordinary >things in the spirit of Wallace Stevens and >Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with >them and that they magnify and vindicate our >life. Such is the overgrown path that the early >modernists once cleared for us?the via positiva >of beauty. There is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! >Friedrich Nietzsche > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 17:02:34 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:02:34 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Beauty by Scruton In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906111251i2f9f8e3cj55f84965682e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906111402u6f05c789q61f7aef2851c6b1f@mail.gmail.com> I also question, explore, fall flat under disappointments, turn desperately from one side to the other for a solution, get irremediably lost in nothingness, suffocate in the grip of times, live with anxiety perpetual and continuous loss, stare speechless at the gruesome movies in front of my eyes, contemplate with sadness the mad and pernicious behavior of man, the overflowing attitude towards destruction, the lingering scream which is my scream from the depths within but I can also see beauty and for a moment get lost in it. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Yup, we disagree. I'm not out to "magnify and vindicate our life," but to > question and explore. > > Mark > > > At 03:51 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: > >> Here are my highlights. As you can see, I agree with Roger Scruton. I >> would have probably chosen different authors and a different style, but he >> is fundamentally speaking my own language. >> >> >> >> At some time during the aftermath of modernism, beauty ceased to receive >> those tributes. >> >> >> The value of abstract art, Greenberg claimed, lay not in beauty but in >> expression. [...] from the writings of Georges Bataille, Jean Genet, and >> Jean-Paul Sartre to the bleak emptiness of the nouveau roman. >> >> But somehow those great life-affirmers lost their position at the >> forefront of modern culture. >> [Stevens, Hpper, Samuel Barber] >> >> Hence the scenes of cannibalism, dismemberment, and meaningless pain with >> which contemporary cinema abounds, with directors like Quentin Tarantino >> having little else in their emotional repertories. >> >> What do we make of this, and how do we find our way back to the thing so >> many people long for, which is the vision of beauty? >> >> There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, a hunger that our popular >> art fails to recognize and our serious art often defies. >> >> I used the word ?desecration? to describe the attitude conveyed by >> Bieito?s production of Die Entf?hrung and by Serrano?s lame efforts at >> meaning something. What exactly does this word imply? It is connected, >> etymologically and semantically, with sacrilege, and therefore with the >> ideas of sanctity and the sacred. >> >> Look at any picture by one of the great landscape painters?Poussin, >> Guardi, Turner, Corot, C?zanne?and you will see that idea of beauty >> celebrated and fixed in images. >> >> Poets have expended thousands of words on this experience, which no words >> seem entirely to capture. It has fueled the sense of the sacred down the >> ages, reminding people as diverse as Plato and Calvino, Virgil and >> Baudelaire, that sexual desire is not the simple appetite that we witness in >> animals but the raw material of a longing that has no easy or worldly >> satisfaction, demanding of us nothing less than a change of life. >> >> Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart by pushing his music into >> the background so that it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman >> carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn from this? What do we gain, >> in terms of emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? >> >> Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the >> postmodern loss of truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. >> That is the message of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, >> and it is a message that we need to listen to. >> >> Italo Calvino and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?we are immediately struck by the >> immense hard work, the studious isolation, and the attention to detail that >> characterizes their craft. In art, beauty has to be won, but the work >> becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration? >> >> But it is also possible to return to ordinary things in the spirit of >> Wallace Stevens and Samuel Barber?to show that we are at home with them and >> that they magnify and vindicate our life. Such is the overgrown path that >> the early modernists once cleared for us?the via positiva of beauty. There >> is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it. >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From locriansky at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 17:37:10 2009 From: locriansky at yahoo.com (locriansky at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN In-Reply-To: <63377.74.73.231.202.1244659276.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> References: <63377.74.73.231.202.1244659276.squirrel@webmail1.web.com> Message-ID: <760176.56150.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Gregory ----- Original Message ---- From: e?ratio To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:41:16 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN e? MYSTERIOUS VISPO DISCOVERED at JAMESTOWN http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090608-jamestown-slate.html e?ratio loves you. http://eratio.blogspot.com/ e? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 19:21:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:21:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB84AFA9089C4-17F4-19F3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com><8CBB8DB1F8C1 AC1-1350-908@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70906111205u344a13a2t28e80934873f6bd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A319162.1080202@nut-n-but.net> Mark Weiss wrote: > I'd guess you didn't read the article, Anny, and I'm not suggesting > you do. Among the works he cites as deliberately anti-beauty is Berg's > Lulu, which I think extravagantly beautiful, though it's about a girl > of questionable morals. What he's really advocating, from a > barely-concealed conservative Christian position, is > beauty-as-sweetness, as opposed to art that makes one uncomfortable > enough to question. That, and he doesn't conceal his dislike of > abstraction--beauty is for him about depiction of "reality." So much > for Rothko. And there's the idiocy: he's not calling for beauty, he's calling for /his/ kind of beauty. That's okay with me although it's extremely not my kind of beauty (in most cases) but he shouldn't call it beauty. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Bob Grumman's to blame for being > remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan Sorry, James, but I'm out of just about all the loops there are nowadays. --Robert From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jun 11 19:31:58 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:31:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] 1913 In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB8D665A42719-1350-6F9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A3193EE.4070109@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.journal1913.org/home.html > > I didn't know about this journal. (Bob Grumman's to blame for being > remiss in mentioning a vizpo friendly journal.) > Finnegan If I wanted reveal the magnitude of my megalomania I would tell you that no journal that doesn't solicit me for visual poems is vispo-friendly. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jun 11 20:39:24 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:39:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.S. Gwynn Sighting Message-ID: <9FAAFB81-3498-4EE5-82A1-63433EE8680B@ripon.edu> Check out Sam Gwynn's omnibus review featured currently at Poetry Daily. Always one of our best reviewers, Sam is in fine form here reviewing collections by Clive James, Dick Allen, Rebecca Foust, & others. http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_gwynn.php ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 22:20:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:20:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] press paddles Padel Message-ID: <8CBB91B7520EFA3-CF4-BA6@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> Three recent?headlines re Ruth Padel... 'Smear' row poet to open festival 'Smear' poet at book festival? Disgraced poet to open book festival -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 11 23:49:31 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:49:31 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> As ?I posted to the Wallace Stevens list, the thing that I most object to is idea that 'beauty' is so weakened?in art that it?needs a?socio-cultural defending. Beauty is far from be washed away by ersatz?merz or?simple-minded?conceptualism or provocateurism. Beauty can take it...beauty is more resourceful than its defenders understand. That said, when I hear the words?'edgy art' I'm often ready to be bored to tears. Then there is that feeling that artists are tripping over themselves, trying to be?more transgressive than the last. It's tiresome. I think the big problem is that issue of beauty is framed, no pun intended, in zero-sum terms, as battle for the soul of humankind.?When it could be expressed as one person's? concerns about?an increasing ingrown?fashion for 'in your face' art. It occurred to me that the Pre-Raphaelites were also reacting to?'ugliness' of an order that most now would?Scrutonize and?classify as 'beauty.' Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty I know. It's not you who pisses me off, but the interface often takes one on the nose for the guilty party. It might help if you didn't with some consistency quote the most inflamatory passage.? ? Beauty is of course never defined in the article, but the two scenes he paints as examples are a Disneyesque moment in what passes for nature and a table set for Norman Rockwell's Thanksgiving.? ? The proximate cause of Scruton's outrage (which I'd guess really dates back to the merciless ribbing he must have taken in the schoolyard over that name) seems to be a setting of Mozart's Abduction from the Seraglio in a whore house, replete with all manner of violence. I generally agree about the removal of works entirely from their original settings--it's worth an audience making an effort at understanding a bit about the culture surrounding the original composition--but I know that theater economics often require radical restaging of often-performed works to draw in a bored audience. So we get Branagh's unutterably stupid fin de siecle Viennese Hamlet (not mentioned in the article), and this Abduction. Mozart has been unusually afflicted with this kind of thing. On the other hand, Abduction, beautiful as the music is, is so insubstantial dramatically (as opposed to the other major Mozart operas) that the director's temptation must be especially strong.? ? Scruton seems to think that the dark turn of the art of this past century has been a whim on the part of artists and critics. I would guess that it has more to do with living in a time when wars that cause fewer than half a million civilian deaths aren't worth mentioning. A defining moment might be the end of All Quiet on the Western Front, when the hero gets killed reaching towards a butterfly.? ? Mark? ? ? At 02:39 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:? >Remember I don't post only those things I agree >w ith...it's my job as CC to this list, to drag >the web for things that might be of use to our intermittent discussions.? >Finnegan? >? >? >-----Original Message-----? >From: Mark Weiss ? >Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25 am? >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] beauty? >? >Did I miss something here? Hopper's paintings >are about bleak absence and the anxiety caused >by absence, Barber's piece is from a child's >point of view, its loveliness interrupted by a >starkly terrified outburst, and Stevens is most >often engaged with the slipperiness of what we >call reality. But that's just a start. I read >the article. This is some sort of neocon nonsense.? >? >Mark? >? >At 09:27 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:? > >< html%3Ehttp://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html >? > >For artists like Hopper, Samuel Barber, > and >Wallace Stevens, ostentatious > transgression was >mere sentimentality, a cheap > way to stimulate an >audience, and a betrayal > of the sacred task of >art, which is to magnify > life as it is and to >reveal its beauty?as > Stevenss reveals the beautyy >of ????An > Ordinary Evening in NeNew H aven????? > and >Barber that of Knoxville: Summer of 19155. > But >somehow those great life-affirmers lost > their >position at the forefront of modern culture.? > >? >___________________________________ ____________? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r_loden at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 12 03:04:42 2009 From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net (Rachel Loden) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:04:42 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner In-Reply-To: <8CBB8D3A2307FF1-1350-5C8@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9BC2F08A016448A59079539CFAF20932@GLASSCASTLE> There was definitely an open call somewhere, because I sent work in response to it. Rachel http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm _____ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered either. (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought it up.) Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about poems that might meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for a new and expanded edition. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Glass Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the anthology...? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: This may not be the final list of contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late switches...but it's fairly accurate Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace John Ashbery, Some Trees Paul Auster, Quarry J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven John Berryman, So Long? Stevens Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens' Letters William Bronk, Against Biography Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion William Doreski, Crispin's Theory Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens Anita Durkin, Son and Poet Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens Diana Festa, The Refuge Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you Dana Gioia, Money Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens John Hollander, Asylum Avenue Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball Ann Lauterbach, Annotation David Lindley, The Idiom of Order Rachel Loden, Winter Palace James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven Norman Macleod, The Descent Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined James Merrill, The Green Eye Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento Marianne Moore, Pretiolae Sheila E. Murphy, Probability Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping Christine Palm, Peony Memo Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry Mike Perrow, Everkeen Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper's Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost Carl Sandburg, Arms 0A Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump David St. John, Symphonie Tragique Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation John Taggart, House in Hartford R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All Places Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure. Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop collections. We had most of the poems (above) collected into a roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. Introduction and Foreword came later of course. Chasing permissions, as I mentioned, is certainly the hardest part of making one of these anthologies happen.Expect to put some of your own mone y on the line securing the permissions. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rachel Loden wrote: > There was definitely an open call somewhere, because I sent work in > response to it. > > Rachel > http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of > *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:46 AM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner > > Dan, I don't know the poem. And I guess Dennis never encountered > either. > (But I'll try to read it if I can find it now that you've brought > it up.) > > Chance and choice both play a part in this kind of anthology. > Dennis and I each had a group of poems we knew that would fit > the bill. We both went searching thru collections of likely suspects: > Poets who we could imagine having dealt with Stevens in one way or > another in their poetry. And both of us queried other people about > poems that might > meet our needs. I'm pretty sure I queried NewPoetry List at one point. > I know I queried the Wallace Stevens Listserv. Joe Duemer > shared with us material publishd in the Wallace Stevens Journal. > > So this and that, here and there, and the anthlogy was pieced > together. If it does well maybe the press will ask us for > a new and expanded edition. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Glass > Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:10 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: A new Anthology by our List Owner > > I'm surprised Chris Chen's brilliant "[The] [Idea] [Of] [Order] > [At] [Key] [West]" from the first issue of 1913 isn't included. > But maybe he's not enough a lyric poet, not the bent of the > anthology...? > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, > wrote: > > This may not be the final list of > contents...permission/contact issues caused a few late > switches...but it's fairly accurate > > Dick Allen, Memo from the Desk of Wallace Stevens > Doug Anderson, Dear Wallace > John Ashbery, Some Trees > Paul Auster, Quarry > J. T. Barbarese, Poussiniana > Dennis Barone, An Ordinary Evening > Martin Bell, Wallace Stevens Welcomes Dr. Jung into Heaven > John Berryman, So Long? Stevens > Robert Bly, Wallace Stevens? Letters > William Bronk, Against Biography > Kurt Brown, The Heirophant of Hartford > Robert Creeley, Thinking of Wallace Stevens > Richard Deming, The Sound of Things and Their Motion > William Doreski, Crispin?s Theory > Joseph Duemer, Aubade: A Poem of this Climate > Alan Dugan, Variation on a Theme by Wallace Stevens > Anita Durkin, Son and Poet > Richard Eberhart, At the Canoe Club > Elaine Equi, The Voice of Wallace Stevens > Diana Festa, The Refuge > Annie Finch, A Woman on the Beach > James Finnegan, At the Casa Marina > Forrest Gander, from "The Hugeness of That Which is Missing" > Maria Mazziotti Gillan, Wallace Stevens, I think of you > Dana Gioia, Money > Peter Gizzi, Saturday and its Festooned Potential > Edward Hirsh, At the Grave of Wallace Stevens > John Hollander, Asylum Avenue > Richard Howard, from "Even in Paris" > Susan Ho we, from "118 Westerly" > Donald Justice, After a Phrase Abandoned by Wallace Stevens > Robert Kelly, from "A Stone Wall in Providence" > X. J. Kennedy, The Waterbury Cross > R. J. Kirkpatrick, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Knuckleball > Ann Lauterbach, Annotation > David Lindley, The Idiom of Order > Rachel Loden, Winter Palace > James Longenbach, In a World Without Heaven > Norman Macleod, The Descent > Paul Mariani, Wallace Stevens Returns from Paris Ruined > James Merrill, The Green Eye > Robert Mezey, The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words: A Cento > Marianne Moore, Pretiolae > Sheila E. Murphy, Probability > Hugh Ogden, Practicing for the Iraq War > Jeremy Over, A Poem is a Pheasant > Maureen Owen, Consider the skipping > Christine Palm, Peony Memo > Michael Palmer, The Project of Linear Inquiry > Mike Perrow, Everkeen > Tony Quagliano, Edward Hopper?s Lighthouse at Two Lights, 1927 > Peter Redgrove, Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackboard > Adrienne Rich, Long After Stevens > Theodore Roethke, A Rouse for Stevens > Martha Ronk, The very insignificance was what > Clare Rossini, The Garden of Roses, The Ghost > Carl Sandburg, Arms > 0A > Ravi Shankar, Blotched in Transmission > Karl Shapiro, The Antimacassars of Wallace Stevens > Elizabeth20Spires, The Woman on the Dump > David St. John, Symphonie Tragique > Lisa Steinman, Wallace Stevens in the Tropics > Mark Strand, The Great Poet Returns > Harriet Susskind Rosenblum, Transformation > John Taggart, House in Hartford > R. S. Thomas, Homage to Wallace Stevens > Charles Tomlinson, Suggestions for the Improvement of a Sunset > Lewis Turco, An Ordinary Evening in Cleveland > William Carlos Williams, A Place (Any Place) to Transcend All > Places > Charles Wright, Tom Strand and the Angel of Death > Al Zolynas, The Piano Player in the Hotel Lobby Bar > > http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-fall/barone.htm > > As far as other anthologies in the series goes, I'm not sure. > Neither Dennis nor I are working on anything. I imagine IUP > would open to proposals for Pound, Eliot, Moore, Bishop > collections. We had most of the poems (above) collected into a > roughly assembled ms. when we suggested the book to Iowa. > Introduction and Foreword came later of course. 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Robin From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 11:49:06 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:49:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] beauty In-Reply-To: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB927ED8C4AAD-CF4-E75@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Can't help wondering what "in your face art" means to you, James. Examples? Hal "Most of our problems proceed from our inability to sit quietly in a small room." --Pascal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM, wrote: > I think the big problem is that issue of beauty is framed, no pun intended, > in zero-sum terms, as battle for the soul of humankind. 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David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Laureates and Knights > << > and, I write in all sincerity, congratulations to the outgoing tenant on > his knighthood, the verray parfait Sir Andrew, as well as to the previous > Professor of Poetry at Oxford, good Sir Christopher Ricks. >>> > > A caveat, dave -- Ricks deserved his knighthood, Aguecheek didn't. > > (Well, maybe not a knighthood, but at least an OBE. > > But we're into grade-inflation when it comes to UK honours, now that Sir > Armstrad has just been made a Lord..) > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 13:25:48 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:25:48 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thomas Merton Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906151025h2ba4d22fv2c581c0c4c574316@mail.gmail.com> In reading, for instance, we pass from one thought to another, we follow the development of the author's ideas, and we contribute some ideas of our own if we read well. This activity is discursive. Reading becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 13:50:07 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:50:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thomas Merton In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906151025h2ba4d22fv2c581c0c4c574316@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906151025h2ba4d22fv2c581c0c4c574316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, color me contemplative! Hal "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." --Anon. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > In reading, for instance, we pass from one thought to another, > we follow the development of the author's ideas, and we contribute some > ideas of our own if we read well. This activity is discursive. Reading > becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of > the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts > (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the > mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. > > Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. > Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Hey, color me contemplative! > > Hal > > "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." > --Anon. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> In reading, for instance, we pass from one thought to another, >> we follow the development of the author's ideas, and we contribute some >> ideas of our own if we read well. This activity is discursive. Reading >> becomes contemplative when, instead of reasoning we abandon the sequence of >> the author's thoughts in order not only to follow our own thoughts >> (meditation), but simply to rise above thought and penetrate into the >> mystery of truth which is experienced intuitively as present and actual. >> >> Thomas Merton. *The Inner Experience: Notes on Contemplation*. William H. >> Shannon, editor (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2003): 59. >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > poet Evelyn Scott was his father's companion; not very popular with Thomas, > apparently > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > I like my friend Paul Elie's The Life You Save May be Your Own > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 09:43:54 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:43:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBBC9FA0142EED-1174-792@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Ansara, The Massachusetts Poetry Festival To: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:17 am Subject: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online. Dear Poets & Lovers of Poetry,? ? The 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival is growing, spreading, positively exploding... We are thrilled to announce that there will be simultaneous kick-off events Thursday, October 15th, in Boston, Lowell, Salem, Worcester, Amherst, and the Berkshires. Then on Friday and Saturday, the Festival returns to the classic red-brick mills, galleries, museums, National Park sites, churches, restaurants, cafes, and cobblestone streets of downtown Lowell. ? Applications are now open for small presses wanting to participate in the Festival's Small Press Fair on October 17. Click here to go to our website for documents ? ? Afaa Michael Weaver will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival? Anne Waldman founder, with Allen Ginsberg, of the Jack Kerouac School of Writing at Naropa?University in Boulder, Colorado,will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival Friday, Oct. 16, over 200 high school poets will be reading and participating in events at Lowell High School;? there will be an intercollegiate poetry showcase with student poets from 14 colleges and universities, and a special MPF edition of the Urban Village Arts Series on Friday evening. ? On Saturday, Oct. 17, the packed schedule?will include a small press fair, readings by regional poetry groups, a Favorite Poem Project session, writing workshops, and a late night poetry slam with notable participants from Massachusetts and New York -- and much more. ? Just a few of the poets appearing for the Festival this year include: Afaa M. Weaver James Tate Dara Wier Louise Gluck? Ann Waldman Jericho Brown XJ Kennedy and the Light Brigade Robert Pinsky Lloyd Schwartz And many more! ? Louise Gluck , former U.S. Poet Laureate is participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival? ? Robert Pinsky is participating in this years? Festival? On Sunday, Oct. 18, Harvard University will host a poetry and jazz program with Robert Pinsky and musicians. To keep up with the events being scheduled regularly check in at www.masspoetry.org ? The Festival is expanding. The Festival is growing ???????? --- despite the financial hard times. ? 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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM, wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Ansara, The Massachusetts Poetry Festival < > info at masspoetry.org> > To: jforjames at aol.com > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:17 am > Subject: 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival Expanding > > If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online > . > [image: Forward this message to a friend] > *Dear Poets & Lovers of Poetry,* > > *The 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festivalis > **growing, spreading*, *positively exploding... *We are thrilled to > announce that there will be simultaneous kick-off events Thursday, Oc tober > 15th, in Boston, Lowell, Salem, Worcester, Amherst, and the Berkshires. Then > on Friday and Saturday, the Festival returns to the classic red-brick mills, > galleries, museums, National Park sites, churches, restaurants, cafes, and > cobblestone streets of downtown Lowell. > > *Applications are now open for small presses wanting to participate in the > Festival's Small Press Fair on October 17.* Click here to go to our > website for documents > > > > > > *Afaa Michael Weaver * > *will be participating in the 2009 Poetry Festival * > > *Anne Waldman founder, with Allen Ginsberg, of the Jack Kerouac School of > Writing at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado,will be p articipating in > the 2009 Poetry Festival * > *Friday, Oct. 16,* over 200 high school poets will be reading and > participating in events at Lowell High School; there will be an > intercollegiate poetry showcase with student poets from 14 colleges and > universities, and a special MPF edition of the Urban Village Arts Series on > Friday evening. > > *On Saturday, Oct. 17*, the packed schedule will include a small press > fair, readings by regional poetry groups, a Favorite Poem Project session, > writing workshops, and a late night poetry slam with notable participants > from Massachusetts and New York -- and much more. > Just a few of the poets appearing for the Festival this year include: > > - *Afaa M. Weaver * > - *James Tate* > - *Dara Wier* > - *Louise Gluck* > - *Ann Waldman* > - *Jericho Brown* > - *XJ Kennedy and the Light Brigade* > - *Robert Pinsky* > - *Lloyd Schwartz* > - *And many more!* > > * * > *Louise Gluck , former U.S. Poet Laureate is participating in the 2009 > Poetry Festival * > > > *Robert Pinsky is participating in this years * > *Festival * > *On Sunday, Oct. 18, *Harvard University will host a poetry and jazz > program with Robert Pinsky and musicians. > 0A > *To keep up with the events being scheduled regularly check in at > www.masspoetry.org > * > > The Festival is expanding. > The Festival is growing > --- despite the financial hard times. > > Because all of us believe, > especially in these hard times, > that people need poetry more than ever. > *But to do all this we also need you to participate !* > > Please donate to the Poetry Festival. 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URL: From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 16 16:36:23 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query Message-ID: I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly to an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? Mark From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 16 18:10:21 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:10:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail without having to open anything. Mark Weiss wrote: > I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly to > an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From junction at earthlink.net Tue Jun 16 18:26:07 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:26:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] technical query In-Reply-To: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> References: <4A38184D.80409@opus40.org> Message-ID: Eudora. Generally I get a message with an attachment and click on the attachment. Sometimes when I get an email and there's an indication that there's an attachment I open the email and there's the attachment, graphics and all. I'd like to be able to send something like that. At 06:10 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: >What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail >without having to open anything. > >Mark Weiss wrote: >>I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly >>to an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this? >> >>Mark >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >-- >Tad Richards >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 20:35:10 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:35:10 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 20:47:33 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:47:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes when I get an email and there's an indication that there's an attachment I open the email and there's the attachment, graphics and all. I'd like to be able to send something like that.? ? At 06:10 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote:? >What's your mail program? Most of them will allow you to read mail >without having to open anything.? >? >Mark Weiss wrote:? >>I occasionally get messages that when I open them bring me directly >>to an attachment. Anybody have any idea how I could do this?? >>? >>Mark? >>? >>_______________________________________________? >>New-Poetry mailing list? >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? >--? >Tad Richards? >Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? >http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? >? >http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? >http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? >? >_______________________________________________? >New-Poetry mailing list? >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jun 16 21:14:13 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:14:13 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Thinking again about another notion promulgated by Wormser & Cappella: That caps at the beginning of the line create a 'polished look'... Is it those caps on the left margin?or is it the?relative uniform line length that creates?a finished look to verse? I think one could argue that the cap heavy left margin is actually creating interest by its?asymmetry. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:05:21 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:05:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBCFA9B47F6D9-1728-16D3@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBCFC55D55D20-1728-174D@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> <8CBBD000F6FD1F4-FD0-140F@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0906161905s45e8a22m1c489042f948b0c1@mail.gmail.com> I capitalize the first word because I like to think that each line has its own integrity, somehow both a part of the poem as a whole and a thing unto itself. However, I don't *always* do so. When my poems wind up discursive or rhetorical, I tend lengthen the lines & not capitalize the first letter of each line--perhaps unconsciously mimicking prose? Well, unconsciously until now--this is the first time that I've thought about that particular quirk of mine. Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > Thinking again about another notion promulgated by Wormser & Cappella: That > caps at the beginning of the line create a 'polished look'... > Is it those caps on the left margin or is it the relative uniform line > length that creates a finished look to verse? > I think one could argue that the cap heavy left margin is actually creating > interest by its asymmetry. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? > > It occurred to me (not one of my greater revelations) that the model of > ploughing = verse fails because our written language is not bidirectional. > The plough would have to fly over the previous plowed row to start a new one > for that model to function. The carriage return bar solved that bit of magic > for typewriters. > > Are there any written languages that can be read bidirectionally? > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? > > The question came up on another list, Why (&When) did convention of > captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, > having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th > Century? > > Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses > are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about > the capping the first word of the new verse.. > > Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella > in Teaching the Art of Poetry > > http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 > > In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not > firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton > became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first > word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin > "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One > row > in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") > and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" > in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to > the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field > are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the > majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital > letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a > distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the > poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jun 16 22:08:36 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:08:36 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: I've always thought that capitalizing the first letter in a line was a wee bit pretentious. However, I hasten to add, this only applies to my own poems. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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URL: From pihel_e at pipeline.com Tue Jun 16 22:58:56 2009 From: pihel_e at pipeline.com (Erik Pihel) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:58:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Message-ID: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jun 17 09:47:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:47:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? In-Reply-To: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23965135.1245207537019.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CBBD694F16EFCD-AB4-2321@WEBMAIL-DZ37.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for that info, Erik. It does seem an efficient system for writing and reading...Never occurred to me that the form/shape of certain letters would be an impediment to bidirectional writing/reading. Know any modern writing systems that run both ways? On the PoetryEtc list someone was saying the ancient texts, printed by hand on scarse vellum/parchments, ran the lines of verse one after another to the end of the page to conserve the dear?materials, and thus?used the captilization of the first word as a marker to indicate?successive verses. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Erik Pihel To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? Ancient Greek was written in boustrophedon, "as the ox turns," and so it was very much "ploughing = verse."? The first line was read right to left, the second left to right, the third right to left, etc.? This is more intuitive than stopping the line, making the eye travel all the way back across the page, and then starting again.? Romans, however, had characters, such as p/q and b/d, that depend on direction, and so broke with boustrophedon. I think William Carlos Williams was the first to lower-case his line-beginnings, which I always thought was the next step after throwing aside rhyme and metrical line-breaks: to allow the line to find its own music rather than arbitrarily adhering to poetic convention. Erik Pihel -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Jun 16, 2009 5:47 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? It occurred to me (not one of my?greater revelations)?that the?model of ploughing = verse fails because our written?language is not bidirectional. The plough?would have to?fly?over the previous plowed row to start a new one for that model to function. The carriage return?bar?solved that bit of magic for typewriters. Are there any written languages that?can be read bidirectionally? Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Why was the first word in verse capped? The question came up on another list, Why (&When)?did convention of captilizing the first word of new verse come about? Which leads one to ask, having persisted so long, why was the convention thrown off in late 20th Century? Anny posted this citation from Wormser-Cappella, which explains that verses are turns like rows in the field but then becomes somewhat speculative about the capping the first word of the new verse.. Baron Wormser and Daivd Cappella in Teaching the Art of Poetry http://books.google.com/books?id=oBj4n3Fb0dMC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=poetry+capitalization+why&source=bl&ots=5ChRHSShYW&sig=ddI93g8rKc8TukRQDEJVFMQjI-E&hl=en&ei=Lng3St_hOo6c_AbotOjdDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPP1,M1 In fact, the convention of capitalizing the first word of a line was not firmly established until the late fifteenth century when William Caxton became the first printer of books in England. The capitalizing of the first word in a line hearkens to the roots of the word "verse" (from the Latin "versus") which refers to the furrow a plow or hoe makes in a field. One row in a field turns back to another row ("versus" literally means "turning") and the lines of a poem were likened to such rows. The beginning of a "row" in a poem was noted by a capital letter. Indeed a poem typically returns to the left margin so that the lines are uniform the way the rows of a field are uniform. This may seem far-fetched but it is a convention to which the majority of poets have subscribed over centuries. They like how the capital letter declares a new line; how it increases the sense of the line as a distinct, rhythmic unit; and how it promotes a uniformity that gives the poem a decidedly polished look. No vagaries need apply. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It all balances out: publications like this do > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 18:01:35 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:01:35 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com . -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Speaking of balance-- I picked up the most recent Columbia Poetry > Review and was impressed by the selection... much of it somewhere in > the interesting middle where some text-based modes collide. > > c > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > jforjames at aol.com wrote: > > > > Can you believe it?, another magazine that ignores Iowa plain text and > > Wilashberia (sp?) poetry... > > http://textvisual.wordpress.com/ > > > > It's "Wilshberia," James, and it includes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry. > Lots > > of publications ignore it. It all balances out: publications like this > do > > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American > > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 19:24:05 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:24:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60906181624q10048e5cp330dfe8c5d2f8441@mail.gmail.com> As long as it's not a spastic collider. - Jim On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > O, Holy Collider! > > Hal > > "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --Anon. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Chris Lott wrote: >> >> Speaking of balance-- I picked up the most recent Columbia Poetry >> Review and was impressed by the selection... much of it somewhere in >> the interesting middle where some text-based modes collide. >> >> c >> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> > jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Can you believe it?, another magazine that ignores Iowa plain text and >> > Wilashberia (sp?) poetry... >> > http://textvisual.wordpress.com/ >> > >> > It's "Wilshberia," James, and it includes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry. >> > Lots >> > of publications ignore it.? It all balances out: publications like this >> > do >> > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American >> > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of >> > Wilshberia, >> > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > >> > --Bob >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Thu Jun 18 19:27:45 2009 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sacramento Poet Wins the Cave Canem-Northwestern University Book Prize Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A971210AD88E92@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3470593-indigo-moor-wins-cave-canem-northwestern-university-press-poetry-prize ________________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of James Cervantes [cervantes.james at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:24 PM To: halvard at gmail.com; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] sign of the times As long as it's not a spastic collider. - Jim On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > O, Holy Collider! > > Hal > > "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." > --Anon. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Chris Lott wrote: >> >> Speaking of balance-- I picked up the most recent Columbia Poetry >> Review and was impressed by the selection... much of it somewhere in >> the interesting middle where some text-based modes collide. >> >> c >> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> > jforjames at aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Can you believe it?, another magazine that ignores Iowa plain text and >> > Wilashberia (sp?) poetry... >> > http://textvisual.wordpress.com/ >> > >> > It's "Wilshberia," James, and it includes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry. >> > Lots >> > of publications ignore it. It all balances out: publications like this >> > do >> > nothing but poetry not out of Wilshberia, and publications like American >> > Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of >> > Wilshberia, >> > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > >> > --Bob >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 18 20:28:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:28:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Adonis Message-ID: <8CBBE8C05D482E1-A98-1B41@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.praguepost.com/tempo/1547-prague-writers-festival-poet-paints-arab-world-laments-fall-of-poetry-in-west.html The Syrian poet Ali Ahmed Said Esber - known to readers as Adonis - traces the fault line between the Arab and Western worlds with his pen, attempting "to give a new image to what we call the Arab world, and to create a new way of seeing our contemporary world," he says. ... "Political exile is very superficial; it's only a change of place. The real exile is interior," he said while in town for the Prague Writers' Festival. "A poet who doesn't feel exiled is only part of the superficial world. In this sense, exile is hell because it means anxiety, the perpetual searching for new things. But it's also paradise because it opens new possibilities." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 18 21:22:22 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:22:22 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Adrienne Rich's A Human Eye Message-ID: <8CBBE9387A942B2-5F4-1BE@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.gtweekly.com/20090618443296/a-e/literature/a-human-eye As with ?What Is Found There,? an earlier collection of Adrienne Rich?s essays, her new book, ?A Human Eye? is almost impossible to get through ? but for the very?? best of reasons. Each essay is an irresistible invitation to travel?to a poem, to the bookstore, to the public library, to one?s own library, to the Web, or perhaps, just to a quiet corner in one?s mind. And another link... http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_12615411 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 04:04:17 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:04:17 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for providing this link, Anny.It's so very useful.-- Obododimma. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com > . > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 805 350 6604; ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 808 264 8060. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 11:10:30 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:10:30 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers In-Reply-To: <8CBBF0654EBC207-724-5F09@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70906181501jca41560r3cf61ad42d0de45c@mail.gmail.com> <8CBBF0654EBC207-724-5F09@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906190810u6f6a48a2w444237192193330d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, James and Obododimma. I keep on finding excellent sites and I have just little time to read, as usual, that is why I forward, so that at least somebody can read... but promise, I will do my best to dig into it. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, wrote: > Anny, I too am happy to have that link. Many new names there that I hadn't > encountered in my haphazard studies of philosophy. > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Obododimma Oha > Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Women Philosophers > > Thanks for providing this link, Anny.It's so very useful. -- Obododimma. > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Kate Lindemann's Women-Philosophers.com >> . >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I know you're dying to know what I really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:03:20 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:03:20 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Life Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906190903t659ece45k25d8e8520f2c1a78@mail.gmail.com> Ah Hal, I'll come and pull your feet! On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Life Work > > Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper > estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. > Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, > > 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while > you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled > by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that > > you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep > cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered > for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school > > type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope > it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I > really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah Hal, I'll come and pull your feet! > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Fri Jun 19 13:59:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:59:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but actually works to further divisions? I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of much use. c From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 14:32:41 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:32:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I'm with you here, Chris. Let's call them blahbles. Hal "When you're down to your last two choices, take the third." --Anon. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > >publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but > poetry out of Wilshberia, > > and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. > > "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in > the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, > i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another > way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless > label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but > actually works to further divisions? > > I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA > that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in > years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the > description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some > bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean, > > 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while > you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled > by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that > > you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep > cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered > for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school > > type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope > it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I > really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not of much practical use if it's taken at such height & resolution that it cannot distinguish between river, road, or irrigation ditch. Or to switch metaphors, a classification scheme that cannot see any difference between dogs, dingos and wolves, much less between spaniels and poodles, isn't just crude to the point of uselessness. It's also rather willfully stupid. Finding meaningful and discussable differences between, say, Lucille Clifton and Sharon Olds is also not the same thing as denigrating Lyn Hejinian and Leslie Scalapino, or vice versa. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 15:35:01 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:35:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com> <4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail.gmail.com> I was in the middle of typing a response to Chris's email, David, when your wonderful response showed up in my inbox. I'll add this: exactly. Terms like "Wilshberia" and "School of Quietude" which are used to denigrate a certain kind of writing aren't much use. These terms are polarizing and dismissive--they're not descriptive. Jeff Newberry On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > > On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > ==================== > > I've been saying this for years, not just in response to the "Wilshberia" > label, which at least has comic value and sounds like a theme park, but > about "School of Quietude," "workshop poems," "mainstream poetry," and other > bludgeons disguised as descriptors. > > It's like an aerial view photo. Not of much practical use if it's taken at > such height & resolution that it cannot distinguish between river, road, or > irrigation ditch. > > Or to switch metaphors, a classification scheme that cannot see any > difference between dogs, dingos and wolves, much less between spaniels and > poodles, isn't just crude to the point of uselessness. It's also rather > willfully stupid. > > Finding meaningful and discussable differences between, say, Lucille > Clifton and Sharon Olds is also not the same thing as denigrating Lyn > Hejinian and Leslie Scalapino, or vice versa. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 19 18:56:09 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:56:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: sign of the times In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com><4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3C1789.7090501@nut-n-but.net> Jeff Newberry wrote: > I was in the middle of typing a response to Chris's email, David, when > your wonderful response showed up in my inbox. > > I'll add this: exactly. Terms like "Wilshberia" and "School of > Quietude" which are used to denigrate a certain kind of writing aren't > much use. These terms are polarizing and dismissive--they're not > descriptive. Whereas giving all the grants, poetry reading fees above $5, visible critical attention and publication, and anthology and classroom space to those working in the vein of Wilbur or Ashbery or somewhere between is not polarizing. So, suggest a term for this kind of thing that is not polarizing and dismissive? I would add that "Wilshberia," of course, is absolutely descriptive. "School of Quietude" is not--Silliman has never defined it, and he and his followers apply it confusingly. And, hey, feel free to call the portion of the poetry spectrum Silliman to me Silligrumbia if you want. My point in using "Wilshberia" (which no one whose work if limited to it believes) is not is dismissing its poets but only those who claim to be eclectic in the appreciation of poetry but are ignorant of the many kinds of poetry that is not Wilshberian. There are lots of Silligrumbians, too, but they don't have much power. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 19 19:11:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:11:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: sign of the times In-Reply-To: <4A3C1789.7090501@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com><4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0906191235m56458f40y3fb4b16afb959a14@mail. gmail.com> <4A3C1789.7090501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A3C1B1F.4030906@nut-n-but.net> Bob Grumman wrote: > Jeff Newberry wrote: >> I was in the middle of typing a response to Chris's email, David, >> when your wonderful response showed up in my inbox. >> >> I'll add this: exactly. Terms like "Wilshberia" and "School of >> Quietude" which are used to denigrate a certain kind of writing >> aren't much use. These terms are polarizing and dismissive--they're >> not descriptive. > Whereas giving all the grants, poetry reading fees above $5, visible > critical attention and publication, and anthology and classroom space > to those working in the vein of Wilbur or Ashbery or somewhere between > is not polarizing. So, suggest a term for this kind of thing that is > not polarizing and dismissive? I would add that "Wilshberia," of > course, is absolutely descriptive. "School of Quietude" is > not--Silliman has never defined it, and he and his followers apply it > confusingly. > CORRECTIONS > And, hey, feel free to call the portion of the poetry spectrum > Silliman to me Silligrumbia INHABIT if you want. My point in using > "Wilshberia" (although no one whose work if limited to it believes me) > is not IN dismissing its poets but only those who claim to be eclectic > in the appreciation of poetry but are ignorant of the many kinds of > poetry that is not Wilshberian. There are lots of Silligrumbians, > too, but they don't have much power. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 10:21:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:21:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use their bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will stimulate their immune systems." http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated the memory that in pain lies grandeur.? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:26:19 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:26:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> Is the plastic surgery included? - Jim On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use their > bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will stimulate > their immune systems." > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php > > > ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated the > memory that in pain lies grandeur.? > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 13:16:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:16:09 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] civics metaphysics and emotions In-Reply-To: <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906200721l9ec6c1ct57917752bd2d06ca@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60906200826o34eb74b7vb43f6f8d115e67f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906201016p1f35e5b4g30789bac6abbb18a@mail.gmail.com> I doubt it, it belongs to our _Modern Times_ and besides that, they put you to sleep strong before starting. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:26 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Is the plastic surgery included? > > - Jim > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Anny > Ballardini wrote: > > So they designed the Livespan Extending Villa, that "makes people use > their > > bodies in unexpected ways to maintain equilibrium, and that will > stimulate > > their immune systems." > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/reversible-destiny-house.php > > > > > > ?With our cult of success,? Nehring writes, ?we have all but obliterated > the > > memory that in pain lies grandeur.? > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/books/review/Roiphe-t.html?_r=1&ref=review > > > > > > -- > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > > star! > > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Right on, Chris (and David) -- not that there's much hope for a cessation of bludgeoning from our in-house one-man spin room offering his "opposition" insult for a label. sans borders, Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jun 20 16:50:55 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:50:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] sign of the times In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBDC0BE2CC42E-818-1D15@webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com><4A3AB816.80908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A3D4BAF.8050504@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> publications like American Poetry Review and the New Yorker do nothing but poetry out of Wilshberia, >> and academics and grants-bestowers pay equal attention to both. >> > > "Wilshberia" seems to cover a pretty broad range of poetry... not in > the absolute sense, but in the context of being a useful descriptor, > i.e. predictive of what a poem will "be like." Is it basically another > way of invoking Silliman's "School of Quietude"-- a worse than useless > label that not only has no real value in describing a poem but > actually works to further divisions? > > I'm not normally an APR reader, but since I was at a bookstore in CA > that happened to carry it, I read through it for the first time in > years. I was surprised that it wasn't quite as one-note as the > description above makes it sound. Even I recognize that there are some > bland poems there, but it's not monotonic. > > I find it hard to figure how a label that, apparently, includes work > from W.D. Snodgrass and C.G Waldrep, Jordan Davis and Len Roberts-- > just to name a few in that issue of APR-- makes much sense... or is of > much use. > > c Sorry (really) to seem to be interminably talking about this, but the term "Wilshberia" is not supposed to describe a single school of poetry. I believe there is a continuum of (serious) contemporary American Poetry. On the left is the poetry of the neo-formalist school, then comes Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry, then comes (perhaps) simple NY School poetry, then comes the poetry of Jorie Graham/ John Ashbery and their followers. I'm not super-current on this, so there may be other kinds of poetry in this portion of the continuum. What do they have in common? The respect of the Establishment. As language poetry is more and more coming to have but not sound poetry, visual poetry, mathematical poetry, cyberpoetry, performance poetry. Yes, you could call it "mainstream poetry," but my term specifies it better--from the very formal (although I realize Wilbur does other kinds of poetry) to quite informal poetry . . . uses words only, avoids the extreme focus on language of the language poets (when they're language poets and not just called that), and (sorry) uses no poetic device not widely used fifty or more years ago. Nothing wrong with this. Many superior poets never venture out of Wilshberia. 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The Mole and a few others have touched on Silligrumbian stuff but few others. --Bob From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sat Jun 20 16:00:22 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:00:22 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Journal Question Message-ID: There's a journal called Barrelhouse, I believe, that claims to focus on popular culture. No idea how useful it might be for your project. Al **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585064x1201462784/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Aside from *Brilliant Corners*, does anyone know of any journals that > publish pieces specifically *about* music--jazz, rock-n-roll, chamber > music, or any other kind? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From obodooha at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 08:43:14 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:43:14 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics In-Reply-To: <8CBBFFEA92FA513-994-32D2@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBFFEA92FA513-994-32D2@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Interesting article. But I hope Ekanpou Enew Aridideke is familiar with other highly stimulating works by younger Nigerian poets like Afam Akeh, Obi Nwakanma, Remi Raji, Uche Nduka, etc. Many of the works produced by these younger poets far outstride those of Soyinka, Clark, Okara, etc in aesthetic quality and philosophic depth. I hope Aridideke has had access to the works produced by these contemporary Nigerian poets that I have mentioned. I would be a great disservice to Nigerian poetry to assert hastily that the younger generation of Nigerian poets write garbage poetry. -- Obododimma. http://udude.wordpress.com/ On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > > http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/06/20/contemporary-nigerian-poetry-and-garbage-poetics/ > Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics > > With the preponderance of a body of literature on poetry, it is expected > that the generation of emerging elite in literary circles would take a cue > from the works of Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Gabriel Emomotimi Okara and a host > of other poets of this category and produce equally artistically satisfying > poems. > > However, the reverse seems to be the case. Towards this rather atavistic > decay of poetic artistry and legacy which contrasts sharply with the > stereotyped scholarly direction of poetry as advocated by experts, an > avalanche of factors have been identified. > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > would be a great disservice to Nigerian poetry to assert hastily that the > younger generation of Nigerian poets write garbage poetry. > > -- Obododimma. > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > >> >> http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/06/20/contemporary-nigerian-poetry-and-garbage-poetics/ >> Contemporary Nigerian poetry and garbage poetics >> >> With the preponderance of a body of literature on poetry, it is expected >> that the generation of emerging elite in literary circles would take a cue >> from the works of Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Gabriel Emomotimi Okara and a host >> of other poets of this category and produce equally artistically satisfying >> poems. >> >> However, the reverse seems to be the case. Towards this rather atavistic >> decay of poetic artistry and legacy which contrasts sharply with the >> stereotyped scholarly direction of poetry as advocated by experts, an >> avalanche of factors have been identified. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > and you never really die(after Halvard Johnson's "Life Work") > > never really leave, even > when your feet point towards the exit > never really wrapped in > or hands folded > when indeed they still write > > the write of the rites of the wreaths > in the convoke ride > > and you never really look blank > when your pages are so full of readings > so full of fullness > as sulking verbs conjugal > > for another lifework > > -- Obododimma. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > and you never really die(after Halvard Johnson's "Life Work") > > never really leave, even > when your feet point towards the exit > never really wrapped in > or hands folded > when indeed they still write > > the write of the rites of the wreaths > in the convoke ride > > and you never really look blank > when your pages are so full of readings > so full of fullness > as sulking verbs conjugal > > for another lifework > > -- Obododimma. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Life Work >> >> Can't wait for you to die, actually, so's I can reach a proper >> estimation of your life work, which by then should be done. >> Well, by then it would have to be done, wouldn't it? I mean, >> >> 'cept for those scraps and bits that never came to light while >> you were not yet dead, and I mean dead dead, not enthralled >> by that death-in-life you call your life. I'm fairly certain that >> >> you're not one of them Mozart types, whose works keep >> cropping up in libraries and museums, where they'd moldered >> for centuries, waiting for the right librarian or grad school >> >> type to blow off the heaped up grit and grunge. Let's hope >> it's soon then, amigo. I know you're dying to know what I >> really think of you--your work, that is, don'tcha know. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 17:00:07 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:00:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] The classics can console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906211400o38367650lfc97befdea35e760@mail.gmail.com> Lovely! Happy Father's Day to all the Fathers. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > > Today, father, is father's day, > And we're giving you a tie. > It's not much we know, > It's just our way of showing you > We think you are a regular guy. > > You say that it was nice of us to bother. > But it really was a pleasure to fuss, > For according to our mother, > You're our father, > And that's good enough for us. > Yes, that's good enough for us. > > --Harry Ruby, as sung by Groucho Marx > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 11:31:04 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:31:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] WS's Sonnets Message-ID: <8CBC165970C413F-1640-71A@webmail-dx20.sysops.aol.com> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/665imsgs.asp Rhyme with Reason The poetry's the thing in Shakespeare's sonnets. by Edwin M. Yoder Jr. 06/29/2009, Volume 014, Issue 39 The 400th anniversary of the first publication of Shakespeare's sonnets slipped silently by, all but unnoticed, in late May and early this month. But that is perhaps routine, since like all things Shakespearian, his sonnets are hedged in still-unsolved mystery. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 12:30:47 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:30:47 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... Message-ID: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by Richard Blanco... T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg The ration books voided, there was little to eat, so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines etched around the edges of the rough dish. The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, what exactly is the color of this temptation: I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, imbued shadows, watercolors running a song down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, overflow onto the embroidered place mats, stream down the table and through the living room setting all the rocking chairs in motion then over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:38:22 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:38:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906221038h70c93f6exe12552124a79793d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > Richard Blanco... > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > stream down the table and through the living room > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > ________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:38:35 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:38:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> Terrific. Thanks for making it known. - Jim On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > Richard Blanco... > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > stream down the table and through the living room > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > ________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 15:08:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?_Ada_Lim=C3=B3n_interview?= Message-ID: <8CBC183EC23C8B3-66C-5A7@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.examiner.com/x-4539-SF-Writing-Careers-Examiner~y2009m6d22-Interview-with-Poet-Ada-Limon Ada Lim?n is quickly becoming a rising star in the world of poetry. Her work has been published by the Iowa Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, and was recently featured in the The New Yorker. (full article at?link above) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 15:13:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:13:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] furious flower host Lucille Clifton seminar Message-ID: <8CBC1849F26CE3F-66C-60C@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.jmu.edu/furiousflower/seminar09.shtml "Tell Me Your Names" is an intensive week-long seminar for high school and college teachers interested in teaching African American poetry. The seminar focuses on the poetry of Lucille Clifton and is a natural starting place, both because of her Virginia connections and because her poetry is accessible to high school and college students at all levels of poetry comprehension. ? The seminar will engage participants through lectures and discussions led by scholars in the field. Participants will gain greater comfort in teaching African American poetry in general, and Lucille Clifton in particular. College teachers will leave ready to contribute to the scholarship on Clifton and high school teachers will complete a lesson plan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:31:01 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:31:01 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duemer's dog In-Reply-To: <4614DA39-5F27-4CDE-8748-D4EB1A24C5AB@ripon.edu> References: <4614DA39-5F27-4CDE-8748-D4EB1A24C5AB@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906221231r58621d4eqec9de9097dbb10b7@mail.gmail.com> A great poem, thank you for having forwarded the link. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Graham wrote: > Today on Verse Daily, Joe Duemer featured: > http://www.versedaily.org/2009/adoginhanoi.shtml > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:54:31 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:54:31 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] another Stevens related poem we missed... In-Reply-To: <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC16DEED442A2-370-ABC@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60906221038m62628197nb83d71b24e5cfa94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906221354h24e5f39aja7ce8f3ac2a2bff7@mail.gmail.com> I agree. Ah the Hortus Conclusus of a Book! You can start preparing the revised and more complete edition, James, better sooner than later... and I will try to contribute as well, I missed your previous call, or maybe saved it in one of the numerous files I have titled : To Do. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:38 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Terrific. Thanks for making it known. > > - Jim > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > For months now I'm sure I'll be running across poems, like this one by > > Richard Blanco... > > > > T?a Olivia Serves Wallace Stevens a Cuban Egg > > > > The ration books voided, there was little to eat, > > so T?a Olivia ruffled four hens to serve Stevens > > a fresh criollo egg. The singular image lay limp, > > floating in a circle of miniature roses and vines > > etched around the edges of the rough dish. > > The saffron, inhuman soul staring at Stevens > > who asks what yolk is this, so odd a yellow? > > > > Tell me Se?ora, if you know, he petitions, > > what exactly is the color of this temptation: > > I can see a sun, but it is not the color of suns > > nor of sunflowers, nor the yellows of Van Gogh, > > it is neither corn nor school pencil, as it is, > > so few things are yellow, this, even more precise. > > > > He shakes some salt, eye to eye hypothesizing: > > a carnival of hues under the gossamer membrane, > > a liqueur of convoluted colors, quarter-part orange, > > imbued shadows, watercolors running a song > > down the spine of praying stems, but what, then, > > of the color of the stems, what green for the leaves, > > what color the flowers; what of order for our eyes > > if I can not name this elusive yellow, Se?ora? > > > > Intolerant, T?a Olivia bursts open Stevens's yolk, > > plunging into it with a sharp piece of Cuban toast: > > It is yellow, she says, amarillo y nada m?s, bien? > > The unleashed pigments begin to fill the plate, > > overflow on to the embroidered place mats, > > stream down the table and through the living room > > setting all the rocking chairs in motion then > > over the mill tracks cutting through cane fields, > > a viscous mass downing palm trees and shacks. > > > > In its frothy wake whole choirs of church ladies > > clutch their rosary beads and sing out in Latin, > > exhausted macheteros wade in the stream, > > holding glinting machetes overhead with one arm; > > cafeteras, '57 Chevys, uniforms and empty bottles, > > mangy dogs and fattened pigs saved from slaughter, > > Soviet jeeps, Bohemia magazines, park benches, > > all carried in the egg lava carving the molested valley > > and emptying into the sea. Yellow, Stevens relents, > > Yes. But then what the color of the sea, Se?ora? > > > > > > >From CITY OF A HUNDRED FIRES (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1998) > > http://www.smith.edu/poetrycenter/poets/tiaolivia.html > > ________________________________ > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 18:59:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:59:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FrancEYE passes at 87 Message-ID: <8CBC1A431653CB0-8D4-BBD@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-franceye21-2009jun21,0,1368352.story A singular character affectionately called the Bearded Witch of Ocean Park -- or, as Bukowski fondly referred to her in one poem, Old Snaggle-Tooth -- Smith had lived in the Ocean Park neighborhood of Santa Monica for decades. Her work under the pen name FrancEyE was published in poetry journals and gathered in the collections "Snaggletooth in Ocean Park" (Sacred Beverage Press, 1996), "Amber Spider" (Pearl, 2004), "Grandma Stories" (Conflux Press, 2008) and ?Call? 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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-franceye21-2009jun21,0,1368352.story > > A singular character affectionately called the Bearded Witch of Ocean Park > -- or, as Bukowski fondly referred to her in one poem, Old Snaggle-Tooth-- Smith had lived in the Ocean Park neighborhood of Santa Monica for > decades. > > Her work under the pen name FrancEyE was published in poetry journals and > gathered in the collections "Snaggletooth in Ocean Park" (Sacred Beverage > Press, 1996), "Amber Spider" (Pearl, 2004), "Grandma Stories" (Conflux > Press, 2008) and ?Call?(Rose of Sharon Press, 2008). > > > ------------------------------ > > > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jun 22 20:12:30 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:12:30 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] competition for Tad Message-ID: <8CBC1AE6EB2306E-8D4-F0E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> http://www.rightreading.com/tcgallery.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jun 22 22:18:44 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:18:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] competition for Tad In-Reply-To: <8CBC1AE6EB2306E-8D4-F0E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC1AE6EB2306E-8D4-F0E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A403B84.5040306@opus40.org> Nice stuff. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.rightreading.com/tcgallery.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 05:21:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:21:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] competition for Tad In-Reply-To: <4A403B84.5040306@opus40.org> References: <8CBC1AE6EB2306E-8D4-F0E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> <4A403B84.5040306@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906230221x46cd9992w7faadf28a3d951e2@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it has something of Tad's work. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Nice stuff. > > jforjames at aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.rightreading.com/tcgallery.htm >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 07:35:06 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:35:06 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Papers Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906250435j3e9ec1f8s354d53b596067f05@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael McDonnell [mailto:michael.mcdonnell at usyd.edu.au ] >Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:58 AM The Revolution in American Life: Memory, History, and Nation-Making in the United States from 1776 to Today Call for Papers for an Edited Collection Edited by: Robert Aldrich, University of Sydney W. Fitzhugh Brundage, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Clare Corbould, University of Sydney Michael A. McDonnell, University of Sydney In his much-anticipated inaugural address in January 2009, President Barack H. Obama invoked the country?s founding moment ? the American Revolution - no fewer than four separate times in charting a proposed path through the difficult years to come. Significantly, in conjuring a memory of the Revolution to legitimate his agenda, Obama followed in the footsteps of his predecessor. In January 2005, George W. Bush invoked the American Revolution in an effort to shore up support for the so-called War on Terror. Bush referred several times to the ideals of the ?founding moment,? and spoke of the founders? hope for ?freedom? that it was now America?s duty to spread back around the globe. Like Obama, he ended with a history lesson. When the Liberty Bell rang at the reading of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, Bush said a witness noted that ?it rang as if it meant something.? He paused. ?In our time,? Bush intoned, ?it means something still.? Obama and Bush knew what buttons to push. Presidents, of course, try to manipulate the emotions of their listeners by appealing to what they imagine those in their audience find compelling. And surveys consistently reveal that if most Americans remember anything about their past, it is ?something? about the American Revolution. Defined roughly as the period between 1763 and 1800, the era of the American Revolution has come to provide a rich seam of memorable events that can be mined to invoke, impart, and inspire. Whether it be iconic images of the Boston Tea Party or the signing of the Declaration of Independence, or inspiring stories such as Paul Revere?s Ride, the American victory at Yorktown, or Washington?s tearful Farewell Address, or knowledge of the ?sacred? texts that lie enshrined under bomb-proof glass in a vault at the National Archives ? the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights - most Americans today do indeed seem to remember something about their Revolution. The American Revolution, then, is today arguably the central event in American history and is ineradicably tied to the nation?s sense of identity and purpose. It is, in effect, at the heart of the nation. But has it always been this way? Though the current deluge and huge popularity of biographies of the Founding Fathers would suggest a timeless fascination with the American Revolution, we would like to historicise this apparent obsession with the founding moment and think about the multiple ways in which the American Revolution has been remembered, forgotten, and contested from the Founding Era through to today. To do this, we?d like to begin to identify just how, why, and when Americans - and others - have remembered, invoked, used, and abused the American Revolution and the Founding era. In doing so, we want to move beyond Michael Kammen?s pioneering work on the subject and map out a social, cultural, and political history of the ways in which diverse groups of Americans have thought about their Revolutionary past and how this has shaped their nation and the world in which we now live. Accordingly, we are looking for expressions of interest from scholars working in this field for an edited collection (or indeed, a series of edited collections) on the Revolution in American life from the 1770s to today. We are also keen to develop links with interested scholars for the purpose of future collaborations in the form of funded workshops and Conference panels over the next year or two. As the possible topics below suggest, we envision this project as an international, interdisciplinary collaborative endeavour. If you are interested in contributing, please send a 250-500 word abstract of your current research topic and an indication of the kind of paper you might offer to an edited collection, along with a brief vita, to: Michael.mcdonnell at usyd.edu.au; clare.corbould at usyd.edu.au The deadline for abstracts is July 4, 2009. Possible topics might include, but are not limited to, papers that speak to the following main concerns: - the historicisation of memory itself - how have Americans remembered their past? How have different Americans remembered their past? Do race, gender, class, religion or regional differences matter? How has this changed over time? How have these changes affected the way that Americans remember their founding moment? - Individual versus collective memory ? what is the relationship between individual and collective memories? At what point do individual memories become co-opted or replaced by a collective memory? How do different memories and remembrances of the past combine or conflict to create a collective memory? - The multiplicity of memory ? what place did/does the American Revolution have in the minds of Americans at any given moment? What memories have competed with the Revolution? Does/did the Revolution have a primary place in the remembering of the past? - Representations of the past versus the reception of those representations ? how and why have different groups represented the Revolution? How have they tried to communicate those representations? What roles have monuments, art, film, the stage or museums played in these representations? How successful have these different kinds of representations been? Why do some representations come to dominate? - Remembering and forgetting ? what are the visible signs of remembrance? What do silences, omissions and gaps in memories tell us about the place of the Revolution in American memories? How have different groups remembered an alternative, dissenting past? Have these replaced a memory of the Revolution? - Myth and history and the ?founding moment? ? to what extent is the memory of the Revolution dominated by the idea of it being a ?founding moment?? To what extent is the memory of the Revolution wedded to the creation of a nation? Has this obscured or enriched our view of the Revolutionary period as an historical event? Have historians been complicit in this mythmaking? - The American Revolution Abroad - in what ways have other nations or peoples remembered the Revolution? What role have other nations' founding memories played in their history? What role have the memories of other nations played in American memories of the past? -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 09:41:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:41:50 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] flutes Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906250641t6f3f8dacnc4465bd5f08cfd06@mail.gmail.com> Conard said it's likely that early modern humans - and perhaps Neanderthals, too - were making music longer than 35,000 years ago. But he added the Hohle Fels flute and the others found across Europe strengthen evidence that modern humans in Europe were establishing cultural behavior similar to our own. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjlhuiV8Ebp72c_6bYVyKd529oQgD9917URG2 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Franklin disparages Ralph and his pursuit of poetry (which Franklin talks about as it were a disease) a few pages later when he writes: ?The Transaction fix?d Ralph in his Resolution of becoming a poet. I did all I could to dissuade him from it, but he continued scribbling Verses, till Pope cured him.? ? James Ralph who later became a political writer (an infinitely more economically rewarding career path) and the reason why he quit pursuing poetry is that Alexander Pope (Ralph had earlier defended some writers that Pope attacked) wrote the following about him for later editions of the Dunciad. ? ?? Silence, ye Wolves! While Ralph to Cynthia howls. ?? And makes night hideous-Answer him ye owls. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The multimedia series--with video interviews, articles, and a long list of poetry specials--generated a 92 percent increase in sales of Sylvia Plath poetry and a 300 percent increase in sales of John Donne (pictured, via) poetry. http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/publishing/bbc_poetry_series_drives_sales_119956.asp Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But she was a good actress. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:41 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Farrah Fawcett In a message dated 6/25/2009 1:21:26 PM Central Daylight Time, anny.ballardini at gmail.com writes: I didn't know anything of her cancer, or that she was still alive, even if when I recognized her, I always liked her, and it is sad to see such a beautiful woman leave: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/arts/television/26fawcett.html?hp There was a self-produced documentary on CBS a month or so back. It caught quite a bit of flak, but I thought much of it was very touching. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jun 25 14:58:30 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:58:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan Message-ID: <00EC1B2D-E7DA-46E6-BBE3-2A12EB6087C1@ripon.edu> One of the best pieces I've read about William Logan as a critic appears in Joel Brouwer's latest review in Poetry: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=236882 A snippet: "In his ?Verse Chronicle? Logan again and again reviews poets who write the same poem again and again, and again and again reiterates identical criticisms. Logan ?nds Charles Wright?s Buffalo Yoga (2004) formally shapeless and faux-sagacious in tone, and says so in many different ways. . . . And by the way, do you know what Logan thought of Wright?s Appalachia, back in 1999? Why, he thought that the poems were ?mere sketchings and jottings; and without titles it would be difficult to tell where one poem ends and another begins.? Wright isn?t the only poet who receives this must-touch-the-doorknob- twenty-times-before-bed monomaniacal attention from Logan. Pretty much every time John Ashbery, Billy Collins, Rita Dove, Jorie Graham, Robert Hass, Ted Kooser, Sharon Olds, Robert Pinsky, Adrienne Rich, Gary Snyder, Mark Strand, or Derek Walcott publishes a book of poems, no matter how undistinguished or indistinguishable from its predecessor, Logan will review it, and he will say roughly the same things about it that he said about the last one, and, not infrequently, he will also complain, in the same way he did last time, about how repetitive this once-interesting poet has become. " ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Jun 25 15:08:41 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:08:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: <00EC1B2D-E7DA-46E6-BBE3-2A12EB6087C1@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Funny. Are old men destined to be only old? I hope not. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:59 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan One of the best pieces I've read about William Logan as a critic appears in Joel Brouwer's latest review in Poetry: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=236882 A snippet: "In his ?Verse Chronicle? Logan again and again reviews poets who write the same poem again and again, and again and again reiterates identical criticisms. Logan ?nds Charles Wright?s Buffalo Yoga (2004) formally shapeless and faux-sagacious in tone, and says so in many different ways. . . . And by the way, do you know what Logan thought of Wright?s Appalachia, back in 1999? Why, he thought that the poems were ?mere sketchings and jottings; and without titles it would be difficult to tell where one poem ends and another begins.? Wright isn?t the only poet who receives this must-touch-the-doorknob-twenty-times-before-bed monomaniacal attention from Logan. Pretty much every time John Ashbery, Billy Collins, Rita Dove, Jorie Graham, Robert Hass, Ted Kooser, Sharon Olds, Robert Pinsky, Adrienne Rich, Gary Snyder, Mark Strand, or Derek Walcott publishes a book of poems, no matter how undistinguished or indistinguishable from its predecessor, Logan will review it, and he will say roughly the same things about it that he said about the last one, and, not infrequently, he will also complain, in the same way he did last time, about how repetitive this once-interesting poet has become. " ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But one can be a "Red Room Rising Star"! - Jim On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Like Facebook for writers?... > > http://www.redroom.com/members-genre/22/6867 > ________________________________ > Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From AlMaginnes at aol.com Thu Jun 25 16:39:39 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:39:39 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room Message-ID: I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of poems there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm concerned. Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled stars. -- Jim, collapsed star ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:55:15 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:55:15 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906251355l5c7b7217rc8bdad9b703a15ca@mail.gmail.com> There is someone similar here in Italy, Vittorio Sgarbi, and warmly paid art critic - quite intelligent, well educated. We were talking about him today, and there is a joke that goes, he is so "incontinent" that if he starts pissing he never stops. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM, wrote: > He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever > managed. > > ------------------------------ > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipesfor the grill. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 17:26:11 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:26:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room In-Reply-To: <648208b60906251347s224cb64bs19676d9595e95894@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60906251347s224cb64bs19676d9595e95894@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBC3F2B1F34CEF-1528-139B@mblk-m27.sysops.aol.com> I don't think the keyword sort by Poetry is yeilding all the results. I found this site looking for some info on poet Joseph Lease and?I notice he's not coming up on the L's in Poetry. And cuts off at the R's. Click subcategory 'American Poetry' and Theresa Svoboda, a name I recognize,?appears for example.?It's got some bugs to work out. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Red Room On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of poems > there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. Dang, how'd I miss you? You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm concerned. Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled stars. -- Jim, collapsed star ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jun 25 17:37:23 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:37:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Yes, when Brouwer made his metaphor about obsessive-compulsive disorder, something snapped into place for me; I think he nails Logan exactly. People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him funny *or* illuminatiing. For me it's not even a matter of right or wrong, in terms of aesthetics. Logan likes a lot of poetry that I also like, and vice versa. The problem I have is that there is a point where a failure of generosity becomes a failure of intelligence. He passed that point long ago, at least in his reviews. When he writes an appreciation of a dead poet he likes (like Frost), he can be well worth reading, and such essays demonstrate that he *can* display discrimination and nuance. Which never seem to show up in his New Criterion shotgun blasts. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:43 PM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever > managed. > > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Thu Jun 25 17:48:46 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:48:46 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> References: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, David Graham wrote: > People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his > barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd > never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him > funny?*or*?illuminatiing. Actually, for me it's just a matter of his often clever choice of words and angle of attack. Any illumination is limited and, as the article says, repetitious. c From chris at chrislott.org Thu Jun 25 17:49:41 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:49:41 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: References: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Message-ID: And I should add that I have a lot of sympathy for people who just can't help picking at the same old scabs. I'm prone to it, most of the time for no good reason. Some people seem to be practically wired that way... others not so much. c On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, David Graham wrote: >> People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his >> barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd >> never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him >> funny?*or*?illuminatiing. > > Actually, for me it's just a matter of his often clever choice of > words and angle of attack. Any illumination is limited and, as the > article says, repetitious. > > c > From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 17:54:38 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:54:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan In-Reply-To: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> References: <309D4E40-0E2F-49B4-B59D-FF2854E94D05@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CBC3F6AB579337-1528-14C9@mblk-m27.sysops.aol.com> I think I've said this before, but to me?Logan's reviews have become "schtick". It's hard for me to think of him as a real person or to take the reviews seriously. (I wonder is anyone on the list has studied with Logan or knows him well enough to say what's he's really like.)?I feel like we must?be dealing with a?'persona critic', the comedy club heckler who was good enough to be invited onstage to?do his creative cuts, kickin' ass?& takin' names with his acid-tongued comedic routines. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 5:37 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Brouwer on Logan Yes, when Brouwer made his metaphor about obsessive-compulsive disorder, something snapped into place for me; I think he nails Logan exactly. People talk often about Logan's wit and how they enjoy (guiltily or not) his barbs, his willingness to attack various overstuffed reputations--and I'd never really been able to put my finger on why I don't even find him funny?*or*?illuminatiing.?? For?me?it's?not?even?a?matter?of?right?or?wrong,?in?terms?of?aesthetics.??Logan?likes?a?lot?of?poetry?that?I?also?like,?and?vice?versa.??The?problem?I?have?is?that?there?is?a?point?where?a?failure?of?generosity?becomes?a?failure?of?intelligence.??He?passed?that?point?long?ago,?at?least?in?his?reviews.?? When?he?writes?an?appreciation?of?a?dead?poet?he?likes (like Frost),?he?can?be?well?worth?reading,?and?such?essays?demonstrate?that?he?*can*?display?discrimination?and?nuance.??Which?never?seem?to?show?up?in?his?New?Criterion?shotgun?blasts. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:43 PM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: He says it much more succinctly and less profanely than I've ever managed. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 21:58:59 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:58:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One for MJ by way of the last earthly King Message-ID: <8CBC418CE850475-FA8-16FC@webmail-dx01.sysops.aol.com> Memphis ? ??????????????? (EAP, d. 8/17/1977) ? Sometimes when I?m bored by my own sins ? I slip on my old falcon helmet & drive the still glistening pink chariot Beyond these lonely gates of grace ? & down into a land the books call Memphis ? Where the shadows of the pyramids Still fall along Beale Street from a distance Halfway around our once-and-future world ? I fasten on the twin gold-plated Sun discs ? To my helmet?s stereo earplates So I can listen to those tender sexual prayers The King kindly left to us ? & with the bass line pounding I push the horses ? Of the Caddy up close to the raving red line & past Until the trees themselves are screaming by Oh Mother Isis Mother Gladys ? I miss those days he?d shoot out the blank eyes ? Of all those static gods around us saying Now Horus just watch how the vapor of their minds Blows through the room as delicately as night ? & as he put down the .44 ? He?d start the low part of our gospel harmony To Swing low, sweet chariot, coming for to? & we?d fall apart laughing just the way we would ? As boys off playing in the papyrus reeds waving ? Along the riverbanks in spring? & after I wrapped his cold body in silk windings Then hid him beneath the earth of the te mple grounds ? I watched his ka fly suddenly everywhere its melody ? Striking the leaves & long chords of sunlight Until even the wood of his mandolins blistered With tears of clear resin & the silent mockingbirds cried ? Later I found the list of duties he?d left each of us ? Open on that ebony grand piano exactly Where his favorite hymnal should have been To Ettore still in mourning in Milan he?d charged ? With the perfection of the espresso pot & other ? Privileged sacraments of the spirit?s design To his silky priestesses and devoted bodily servants He?d left a catalog of scandals to reveal at will ? In order to make him seem more desperately human ? & thereby to stage his eventual return to this world As utterly miraculous??? ????????& to me of course He left the holy hologram machine ? The one no larger than a doctor?s black bag ? I carry with me everywhere so that when the time Seems right to me I can raise his image anywhere Anywhere at all in this world ? Maybe in a restaurant or on a busy street corner ? Or even across the tired eyelids of a hairdresser As she bends above her first customer of the day Suddenly jerking awake as she?s consumed ? By the lake of memory which is his love washing ? Over her like the echo of his unforgivable voice0A I do this for love as well as duty I do this to remind them that their Osiris ? Is never far from them & never beyond The daily accident of their simplest devotions This is my job the one he left for me To keep a world so desperate for faith alive ? With the single possibility & hope that his wild Living sneer & wink Will give us back the very things we still desire Those bodies we once threw so recklessly away ? The friends we sacrificed for other friends ? The pulse of that voice accompanying each of us The first time we did anything loving That really mattered & might still once again ? 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Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jun 25 23:50:19 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:50:19 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] BG Flash: Bemsha Swing notices a vizpory Message-ID: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think Ull?n is the exception)... http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 02:09:07 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:09:07 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... > > > Celebrity > > > Farrah was dead. > The paparazzi descended > on the Malibu compound > of her famous lover, > trying to get a shot, a single tear > finding that rivulet of wrinkle > on of his puffy but still handsome face. > > Just as Ryan rose from the couch, > their cell phones started to ring, > and by the time he strode firmly > down the driveway to the front gate, > steady, ready to deliver his final thoughts > about Farrah?s beauty and her life, > > the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. > Michael Jackson was dead. > They had to get to Neverland. > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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He lived his fictions, died his reality Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion Archangel to many visions He stands at the threshold of changing myths -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From locriansky at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 05:34:24 2009 From: locriansky at yahoo.com (locriansky at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Russian volcano from space In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <955359.31366.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I found this image to be pretty interesting ... shot by the ISS space station with perfect timing. http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-20/hires/iss020e009048.jpg Cheers, Kaz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jun 26 08:12:09 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:12:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] BG Flash: Bemsha Swing notices a vizpory In-Reply-To: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC4285BD5288D-28C-1BB4@WEBMAIL-MY18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A44BB19.6090806@nut-n-but.net> jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think > Ull?n is the exception)... > http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Jim--I can use Mayhew's text in my own blog entry for today. It annoyed me a great deal. Here it is, in full: "Where I am skeptical about a lot of visual poetry (and where I think Ull?n is the exception) is that it doesn't have a strong visual sensibility behind it. It might have a typographer's sensibility (if you're lucky) but not a painter's sensibility." I would be annoyed with this even if he had said, "What I admire about a lot of visual poetry is that is has a strong visual sensibility behind it." What's stupid about it is that he gives no examples of the kind of visual poetry he is discussing. He doesn't even name a few visual poets whose works lack the visual sensibility he's talking about. And he's just expressing a subjective opinion. Ironically, I'm in the process of writing a series of columns on the state of current American visual poetry for /Small Press Review/ in which I contend that a characteristic of it is that, in general, it has little /verbal/ sensibility behind it--it relies, in my view, too much on what it does visually. Mayhew also fails to appreciate that what visual poetry (as I define it) mainly does is neither visual nor verbal but a combination of the two. The verbal and visual content of many of the best visual poems is uninteresting--except inasmuch as what they do in combination. Classic example (by Eugen Gomringer): silence silence silence silence silence silence silence silence Visually, just a box, verbally, just a word, repeated seven times. As a visual poem, terrific, for those capable of appreciating visiopoetic metaphors. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 07:27:05 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:27:05 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Russian volcano from space In-Reply-To: <955359.31366.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> <955359.31366.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906260427j3c5db900lb30150f81d3e4dfd@mail.gmail.com> These are incredible shots, and this one particularly. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM, wrote: > I found this image to be pretty interesting ... shot by the ISS space > station with perfect timing. > > > http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-20/hires/iss020e009048.jpg > > Cheers, > Kaz > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or at least humbled > stars. > > -- Jim, collapsed star > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 09:11:58 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:11:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Red Room In-Reply-To: References: <648208b60906251347s224cb64bs19676d9595e95894@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60906260611l3cdd4fccodcd5f906f5437623@mail.gmail.com> Every night we see but a very small fraction of the stars that exist. - Jim On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > I am also Redroomed:?http://www.redroom.com/user/obododimma > Visiting and updating my page once in a while. I think it is a great place > to be. > -- Obododimma. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, James Cervantes > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: >> > I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of >> > poems >> > there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. >> >> Dang, how'd I miss you? ?You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm >> concerned. >> >> Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. ?Or at least humbled >> stars. >> >> -- Jim, collapsed star >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 805 350 6604; > ? ? ? ? ? ?+234 808 264 8060. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jun 26 09:14:30 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:14:30 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] He Lived His Fictions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> I like this one. Obododimma Oha wrote: > > He Lived His Fictions > > (for Michael Jackson) > > by > > Obododimma Oha > > artitude > , http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html > > > He lived his fictions, charmed moonwalker > > Now frozen in the crescendo of his song > > > > Many selves of lyrics embodied, disembodied, re-embodied > > Yield, ecstasies, like this flexible > > > > Was this self yourself? > > Was this other in order? > > Was this self selfless in melting hearts with ghostliness? > > > > He lived his fictions, died his reality > > Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion > > > > Archangel to many visions > > He stands at the threshold of changing myths > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From obodooha at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 10:28:03 2009 From: obodooha at gmail.com (Obododimma Oha) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:28:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] He Lived His Fictions In-Reply-To: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> References: <4A44C9B6.5000004@opus40.org> Message-ID: Thanks a lot. -- Obododimma. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:14 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > I like this one. > > Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> >> He Lived His Fictions < >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html> >> (for Michael Jackson) >> >> by >> >> Obododimma Oha >> >> artitude < >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html>, >> >> http://edutitra.blogspot.com/2009/06/he-lived-his-fictions-for-michael.html >> >> >> >> He lived his fictions, charmed moonwalker >> >> Now frozen in the crescendo of his song >> >> >> Many selves of lyrics embodied, disembodied, re-embodied >> >> Yield, ecstasies, like this flexible >> >> >> Was this self yourself? >> >> Was this other in order? >> >> Was this self selfless in melting hearts with ghostliness? >> >> >> He lived his fictions, died his reality >> >> Somewhere like nowhere on the maps of motion >> >> >> Archangel to many visions >> >> He stands at the threshold of changing myths >> >> >> -- >> Obododimma Oha >> http://udude.wordpress.com/ >> >> Dept. of English >> University of Ibadan >> Nigeria >> >> & >> >> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >> University of Ibadan >> >> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >> +234 805 350 6604; >> +234 808 264 8060. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:11 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > Every night we see but a very small fraction of the stars that exist. > > - Jim > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > > I am also Redroomed: http://www.redroom.com/user/obododimma > > Visiting and updating my page once in a while. I think it is a great > place > > to be. > > -- Obododimma. > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, James Cervantes < > cervantes.james at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > >> > I have a Red Room account but I haven't done much but post a couple of > >> > poems > >> > there. Guess that doesn't make me a rising star. > >> > >> Dang, how'd I miss you? You're firmly in the firmament as far as I'm > >> concerned. > >> > >> Just to be fair, they should have falling stars. Or at least humbled > >> stars. > >> > >> -- Jim, collapsed star > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > >> http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > >> http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > > Obododimma Oha > > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > > > Dept. of English > > University of Ibadan > > Nigeria > > > > & > > > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > > University of Ibadan > > > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > > +234 805 350 6604; > > +234 808 264 8060. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jun 26 13:28:16 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC41E34CD2912-EDC-988@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com><8CBC41EE2610BE2-EDC-9A9@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906252309v627ea038q279cd3e5c4dc02e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBC49A9F887763-AAC-462@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> My off the cuff occasional?poem has a factual error...I didn't realize Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver his final thoughts about Farrah?s beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. ________________ _______________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts about Farrah's beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jun 26 14:07:17 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:07:17 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> point taken. stet it is. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. ? -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity ? My off the cuff occasional?poem has a factual error...I didn't realize Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's this morning. There is a saying round here: Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... Celebrity Farrah was dead. The paparazzi descended on the Malibu compound of her famous lover, trying to get a shot, a single tear finding that rivulet of wrinkle on of his puffy but still handsome face. Just as Ryan rose from the couch, their cell phones started to ring, and by the time he strode firmly down the driveway to the front gate, steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts about Farrah?s beauty and her life, the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. Michael Jackson was dead. They had to get to Neverland. Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ? Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 14:49:51 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:49:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> Even his death is becoming a business. The N.Y.Times has it still centered on the front. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > point taken. stet it is. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > > How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they > drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied > thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [ > mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] > *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > > My off the cuff occasional poem has a factual error...I didn't realize > Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity > That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of > all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's > this morning. > There is a saying round here: > Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. > > As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... > > Celebrity > > > Farrah was dead. > The paparazzi descended > on the Malibu compound > of her famous lover, > trying to get a shot, a single tear > > finding that rivulet of wrinkle > on of his puffy but still handsome face. > > Just as Ryan rose from the couch, > their cell phones started to ring, > and by the time he strode firmly > down the driveway to the front gate, > steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts > about Farrah?s beauty and her life, > > the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. > Michael Jackson was dead. > They had to get to Neverland. > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: On e must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 14:52:59 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:52:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBC4A01345256E-AAC-63D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70906261149y3b89d96wf3d8eac28fe31d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brand names never die. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Even his death is becoming a business. The N.Y.Times has it still centered > on the front. > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > >> point taken. stet it is. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Skip Fox >> Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm >> Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> >> How is that an error? Did it ever exist? Was it Everland? Where did they >> drive off to? The Neverland of slick ease, vacuous cultural, candied >> thinking. I think its apt. Ur-apt, in fact. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [ >> mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] >> *On Behalf Of *jforjames at aol.com >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:28 PM >> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> >> My off the cuff occasional poem has a factual error...I didn't realize >> Neverland was sold at auction about a year ago. >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity >> That is quite a coincidence, it is The New York Times that informs me of >> all what happens over there. Farrah's central shot replaced by Jackson's >> this morning. >> There is a saying round here: >> Morto un papa se ne fa un altro. >> >> As soon as a Pope dies, another one appears. >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:42 AM, wrote: >> Corrected copy of poem typed on the fly... >> >> Celebrity >> >> >> Farrah was dead. >> The paparazzi descended >> on the Malibu compound >> of her famous lover, >> trying to get a shot, a single tear >> >> finding that rivulet of wrinkle >> on of his puffy but still handsome face. >> >> Just as Ryan rose from the couch, >> their cell phones started to ring, >> and by the time he strode firmly >> down the driveway to the front gate, >> steady, ready to deliver20his final thoughts >> about Farrah?s beauty and her life, >> >> the SUVs were pulling away, speeding off. >> Michael Jackson was dead. >> They had to get to Neverland. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.ed u/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: On e must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar >> .* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of the roles Farrah chose were brave too, and she made these choices in the cluster-cloister that is Hollywood where most of the players have wooden brains. Or is that too insulting to trees. Anny's poem asks these questions and leaves us the rue and befuddlement of our cell phones ringing, our thoughts like digital display. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 03:58:06 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:58:06 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Patricia re Anny's poem In-Reply-To: References: <200906261257.n5QCvHrP031935@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906280058q21d159f2pa6eab4bfbe2c7e8c@mail.gmail.com> Dear Tom Kostro, thank you very much but it was James Finnegan's poem and I would also like to praise it. Have a nice Sunday, Anny On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Tom Kostro wrote: > Brava Ms Anny B! > fI love this poem , Celebrity. > By the way Ryan played a big > hot sex stud bad boy role in > Peyton Place. > Some of us teen aged girls > used to watch it on the sly > or our mothers did... > Anny's poem .is just sad and sharp enough. > Wry, dry, snappy. > ANd Neverland is perfect. > Who was Farrah, the poem seems to ask... > yet she was > brave somehow and > vulnerable and an object > who is any object of beauty > of morbid curiosity , whose > body parts are on display > by her choice or the culture > who pays for her display. > Who was Cleopatra? > > Some of the roles Farrah chose > were brave too, and she > made these choices in the > cluster-cloister that is Hollywood > where most of the players > have wooden brains. > > Or is that too insulting to trees. > Anny's poem asks these questions > and leaves us the rue and befuddlement > of our cell phones ringing, our thoughts > like digital display. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 09:18:55 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:18:55 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906280618x372ed7cfnfdf2e8287bc7b77a@mail.gmail.com> I also had a similar experience when in New Orleans, truly mesmerizing. The VCCA Fellows Visit the Holiness Baptist Church, Amherst, Virginia by Barbara Crooker We are the only light faces in a sea of mahogany, tobacco, almond, and this is not the only way we are different. We've come in late, the choir already singing, swaying to the music, moving in the spirit. *When I was down, Lord, when I was down, Jesus lifted me*. And, for a few minutes, we are raised up, out of our own skepticism and doubts, rising on the swell of their voices. The singers sit, and we pass the peace, wrapped in thick arms, ample bosoms, and I start to think maybe God is a woman of color, and that She loves us, in spite of our pale selves, so far away from who we should really be. Parishioners give testimonials, a deacon speaks of his sister, who's "gone home," and I realize he doesn't mean back to Georgia, but that she's passed over. I float on this sweet certainty, of a return not to the bland confection of wispy clouds and angels in nightshirts, but to childhood's kitchen, a dew-drenched June morning, roses tumbling by the back porch. The preacher mounts the lectern, tells us he's been up since four working at his other job, the one that pays the bills, and he delivers a sermon that lightens the heart, unencumbered by dogma and theology. For the benediction, we all join hands, visitors and strangers enfolded in the whole, like raisins in sweet batter. We step through the door into the stunning sunshine, and our hearts lift out of our chests, tiny birds flying off to light in the redbuds, to sing and sing and sing. "The VCCA Fellows Visit the Holiness Baptist Church, Amherst, Virginia" by Barbara Crooker, from *Line Dance*. ? Word Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That may be fine for reading the average blog but something essential is lost when ingesting words is all about speed. My thousand-year story is an antidote. Given the printing process I?ve used, you can?t take in more than one word per century. That?s even slower than reading Proust. Keywords Jonathan Keats; Opium Magazine Posted by Menachem Kaiser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 13:10:30 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:10:30 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] more adventures in conceptualist lit In-Reply-To: <8CBC6D8EDC3D47B-C60-58BF@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC6D8EDC3D47B-C60-58BF@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906291010v7636d541g49dbcae5a56aafdb@mail.gmail.com> That is quite conceptual. I also liked the lonely comment: I'll just wait for the movie... On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > I think Dale Smith was proposing 'slow poetry' but here we have a really, > really slow short-short story... > > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2009/06/the-long-nine-words.html > June 24, 2009 > The Long Nine Words Jonathan Keats, a San Francisco conceptual artist, has > written a nine-word story that should take approximately a thousand years to > read. In celebration of the infinity issue of *Opium*magazine, Keats used a double layer of black ink with an incrementally > screened overlay masking the words. Over the next thousand years, exposure > to ultraviolet light will gradually reveal the story, one word per century. > He explained his rationale > : > > Like most people, I live my life in a rush, consuming media on the run. > That may be fine for reading the average blog but something essential is > lost when ingesting words is all about speed. My thousand-year story is an > antidote. Given the printing process I?ve used, you can?t take in more than > one word per century. That?s even slower than reading Proust. > > Keywords > > 0A > - Jonathan Keats; > > - Opium Magazine > > Posted by Menachem Kaiser > > ------------------------------ > Save energy, paper and money -- *get the Green Toolbar > .* > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jun 29 13:19:41 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:19:41 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? Message-ID: Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now that it's been given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I find I like the idea of the method of making poems much more than most of the poems themselves. For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly apropos to point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf c From pmetres at jcu.edu Mon Jun 29 14:07:47 2009 From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Flarf Message-ID: <20090629140747.CPD20448@mirapoint.jcu.edu> Chris, on the Flarf thread, I personally find the methods, as you wrote, rather liberating--though they are largely genetic grandchildren of the surrealist/dadaist movements. Have read quite a number of the books, since a friend and college mate is part of the collective (Michael Magee), and am now friendly with a number of them. I have a great sympathy for the project, though like any poetic movement, there is a lot of redundancy, false starts, herd mentality, ranks and files. I've actually taught ANNOYING DIABETIC BITCH and though I still cringe to think of that choice (one of the poems is called "Ass Vagina") we got into an important debate about what poetry has been is, and could be. Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com "Those of us who had imagination circuits built can look in someone's face and see stories there; to everyone else, a face will be just a face." Kurt Vonnegut From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 14:09:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> A satire dressed with a mixture of e/motional textures that go from the last burps of post-modernist creativity to the ecological stances of recycling. What can I tell you, these are the times. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now that it's been > given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I find I like > the idea of the method of making poems much more than most of the > poems themselves. > > For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly apropos to > point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Mon Jun 29 14:20:08 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:20:08 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If that's what they're doing, as opposed to what they or others have spent time saying they are doing, then my hats off to them :) I've been asking people over the weekend. Not that I know a lot of people. But it's interesting how many people comment on the making and the reasons that may be behind it, but very few actually come out and say they enjoyed this or that poem. It's curious. c On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > A satire dressed with a mixture of e/motional textures that go from the last > burps of post-modernist creativity to the ecological stances of recycling. > What can I tell you, these are the times. From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 14:42:41 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:42:41 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70906291109m1b0e515dk82cdd07bebaf95e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: my secret kitty is a flarf-y critique of flarf (and also the closely related translation engine games) http://www.ahadadabooks.com -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 01:44:49 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:44:49 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] poets of concision Message-ID: maybe its the brevitian school... anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... c From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 04:15:28 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:15:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] poets of concision In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> Cunningham? Chris Lott wrote: > maybe its the brevitian school... > > anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being > concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? > > Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 08:25:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:25:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Cunningham? > > Chris Lott wrote: >> maybe its the brevitian school... >> >> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >> >> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... about the Establishment. It never occurs to you guys to mention the names of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead and near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. --Bob From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:41:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:41:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob, it might or might not mollify you to know I originally had an aside about Saroyan's lighght and Grenier... and the author whose name I can't remember of the "tundra" poem that we once discussed. All three of which I learned of from you. But then I was worried it would be taken the wrong way, and it was late. And I knew we'd discussed these before. It also seems a bit premature to characterize "you guys" based on one response... unless you mean literally TheOldMole and myself. In which case I plead guilty that my mind still thinks first of mainstream poets, of which I have many that I am admittedly fond of. But if I knew the answer to my own question in advance I probably wouldn't ask the question. I'm student not sensei. At any rate, I asked the question in good faith-- I try to be open to whatever answers I get to such queries by at least reading poems or selections from the poets. So perhaps instead of berating someone who's trying to learn... I'm just sayin'. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> >> Cunningham? >> >> Chris Lott wrote: >>> >>> maybe its the brevitian school... >>> >>> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >>> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >>> >>> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > > about the Establishment. ?It never occurs to you guys to mention the names > of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead and > near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 10:42:04 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone that Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little different. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Cunningham? >> >> Chris Lott wrote: >>> maybe its the brevitian school... >>> >>> anyway, I'm wondering what poets and/or poems you admire for being >>> concise, writing short and/or tiny poems that pack a punch? >>> >>> Williams comes to my mind, Duncan, some Creeley, some Snyder... > about the Establishment. It never occurs to you guys to mention the > names of any of the many who have taken concision way beyond the dead > and near-dead poets you bring up, like Aram Saroyan. > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 10:45:47 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:45:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) Message-ID: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:47:27 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:47:27 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Message-ID: Thanks for mentioning Kennedy. You are right that I wouldn't have thought of him though once you brought him up it made perfect sense. Another that was mentioned to me in person (it's so weird to talk to people without a keyboard) was William Ferraiolo, though from the outside it appears that he is more prose aphorist than poet (obviously not mutually exclusive pursuits). c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:42 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would never > have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on this list -- to > mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't hear me griping. My > thought was rather tham mention someone that Grumman is sure to mention, > maybe I'll bring up someone a little different. From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 10:47:58 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:47:58 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot somewhere, Agent G. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 10:49:33 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:49:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems Message-ID: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my new iTouch. A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is Walt Whitman. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:01:47 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems In-Reply-To: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday morn I pass'd the church; Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one of the wrists around my head; Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells last night under my ear. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" wrote: > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing > on my new iTouch. > > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's > list is Walt Whitman. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 12:22:02 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:22:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org> <4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A3BAA.1090608@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > Bob, it might or might not mollify you to know I originally had an > aside about Saroyan's lighght and Grenier... and the author whose name > I can't remember of the "tundra" poem that we once discussed. All > three of which I learned of from you. But then I was worried it would > be taken the wrong way, and it was late. And I knew we'd discussed > these before. > > It also seems a bit premature to characterize "you guys" based on one > response... unless you mean literally TheOldMole and myself. In which > case I plead guilty that my mind still thinks first of mainstream > poets, of which I have many that I am admittedly fond of. But if I > knew the answer to my own question in advance I probably wouldn't ask > the question. I'm student not sensei. > > At any rate, I asked the question in good faith-- I try to be open to > whatever answers I get to such queries by at least reading poems or > selections from the poets. So perhaps instead of berating someone > who's trying to learn... > > I'm just sayin'. > > c > And I'm just griping. --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:21:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:21:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Just concise enough. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot > somewhere, Agent G. > > c > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > > > > > > David Graham > > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > > Home page: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 12:33:17 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:33:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It would > never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people on > this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you don't > hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone that > Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little > different. The point is that you were discussing poets considered composers of brief poems but seemed to be stuck in--brace yourselves, Wilshberia--so were acting as though those outside Wilshberia who have composed poems at least one order of magnitude more concise than any of the poets you named have did not exist. But I'll agree I'm hyper-sensitive about this. --Bob From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:32:39 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:32:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4B2C3E76-786A-439F-BF71-22CF8E4EAC5A@ripon.edu> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:29 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > But I'll agree I'm hyper-sensitive about this. > > --Bob --------------------------- And will you also agree that water is wet? David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz From editor at pavementsaw.org Tue Jun 30 11:32:43 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? Message-ID: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Chris-- We published the first book of flarf. Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_. His was followed by Mike Magee's _MS_ and Kasey's _Deer Head Nation_. Those three I liked tremendously. They were fun but still sensible. Except for a sparse group, I have a sense that intelligent commandeering of google has not remained a facet; various web based materials I have read by other flarfists have been tiring, barely edited, or poorly edited, text. Brief liveliness, but mostly dry text, awkwardly co-opted from other sources, flowing with random breaks, lacking line break skills. Often, newer material is thinly veiled racism and sexism also. Poetry has started to understand that by pulling in the small sub-sets that generate interest they maintain an audience. Many of their themes are smartly engineered and suddenly there is a possibility for re-appearance of the forgotten. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > From: Chris Lott > Subject: [New-Poetry] flarf: barf or bullion? > To: Cafe-Blue ,??? > "NewPoetry: Contemporary > ??? Poetry News &,??? > Views" > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Curious what any of you think about "flarf" poetry (now > that it's been > given the official _Poetry_ magazine seal of approval)? I > find I like > the idea of the method of making poems much more than most > of the > poems themselves. > > For those unflamiliar with flarf, I guess it's particularly > apropos to > point to: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flarf > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 11:33:59 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> Beautiful but not tiny. Graham, David wrote: > > > > I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last > Sunday morn I pass'd the church; > > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I > heard your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so > mournful; > > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I > heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, > through one of the wrists around my head; > > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little > bells last night under my ear. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > wrote: > >> >> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on >> my new iTouch. >> >> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's >> list is Walt Whitman. >> >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 11:41:55 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] One of the many reasons I gripe so much In-Reply-To: <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> References: <4A49C9A0.3000800@opus40.org><4A4A0439.7020009@nut-n-but.net> <4A4A243C.6070307@opus40.org> <4A4A3E4D.1040306@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4A3243.9030707@opus40.org> What? I named one poet. That's a monstrous bit of generalization from there. Here's another, which probably won't resuscitate my reputation in your eyes: Witter Bynner. His last poems, written when he was nearly blind, in crayon and in longhand and in one draft, with very few words. Here's one. *ALL tempest* Has Like a navel A hole in its middle Through which a gull may fly In silence Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Why should everyone mention the exact same names that you do? It >> would never have occurred to you -- or probably a lot of other people >> on this list -- to mention Cunningham, who's 3/4 forgotten, but you >> don't hear me griping. My thought was rather tham mention someone >> that Grumman is sure to mention, maybe I'll bring up someone a little >> different. > The point is that you were discussing poets considered composers of > brief poems but seemed to be stuck in--brace yourselves, > Wilshberia--so were acting as though those outside Wilshberia who have > composed poems at least one order of magnitude more concise than any > of the poets you named have did not exist. But I'll agree I'm > hyper-sensitive about this. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:48:49 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:48:49 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Deer Head Nation is almost formal; Kasey reads the punctuation as noise, for example. Ara Shirinyan's work is interesting, too -- Syria is in the World. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From c.a.b.daly at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:53:29 2009 From: c.a.b.daly at gmail.com (Catherine Daly) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:53:29 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: [NetBehaviour] Society of the Query conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thought this might be interesting to talk about together with flarf; as you know, different flarfists have different levels of knowledge about what search engines do -- but a number of poets here in LA, for example, work for google... Society of the Query conference: 13 - 14 November 2009 Location: Trouw Amsterdam Organized by the Institute of Network Cultures More info and material on: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/query/ In the information society the current reality is an increasing dependence on technological resources to create order and to find meaning in a gigantic quantity of online data. Searching has surpassed browsing and surfing as main activity on the web. This development turned the search engine into our most significant point of reference. Its focus on efficiency and expansion of services tends to veil the nature of the technology as well as underlying (corporate) ideologies. In this query driven society, The Society of the Query conference seeks to analyze what impact our reliance on resources to manage knowledge on the Internet has on our culture. The theory of a semantic web lurking around the corner revives the ?human vs. artificial intelligence?-debate. The centralizing web demands to critically question the distribution of power, the diversity and accessibility of web content, while promising alternatives for the dominant paradigm surface in peer-to-peer and open source initiatives. Finally, the question arises what role politics and education, after having invested substantially in media intelligence, can play in the creation of an informed users? group. For two days, the Society of the Query conference aims to zoom in on some of the essential themes surrounding web search by critical analysis and the contextualization of developments in interface design and the organization of knowledge. The Institute of Network Cultures seeks to achieve this specifically by uniting researchers, theorists, activists, artists and professionals working in this area and by creating a platform for not only realized projects and recent research, but also for open questions and predictions. Conference Themes Society of the Query Digital Civil Rights and Media Literacy Alternative Search (1) Art and the Engine Googlization of Everyday Life Alternative Search (2) Society of the Query Because the web lacks editorial monitoring, we have become more dependent on technological resources when trying to find meaningful content within the vast amount of data on the web. Traditional methods to decide what information is valuable and useful are absent. In recent years, people have become increasingly dissatisfied by Google?s PageRank-algorithm, which is based of the popularity of a web page. Also, new semantic layers have been added to the principal architecture of the web. This conference session will focus on ?searching? on the level of the software and will discuss the notion of the organization of knowledge within the theoretical framework of the humanities and computer science. Questions to be discussed in this session include: What is the history of the organization of knowledge? Which ideologies make up the foundations for ?the concept ?of ?ontology?? And, what role will human expertise play in the era of ?machine understanding?? Moderator: Geert Lovink Speakers: ?* Yann Moulier Boutang (F), editor of Multitude?s special issue on Google (May 2009). ?* Matteo Pasquinelli (NL), Author of Animal Spirits (2008) and Google?s PageRank: Diagram of the Cognitive Capitalism and Rentier of the Common Intellect? (2009). ?* Teresa Numerico (IT), (PhD in History of Science) is a researcher in Philosophy of Science at the University of Salerno, where she teaches New Media. ?* David Gugerli (CH), author of ?Suchmaschinen ? Die Welt als Datenbank? (2009). Digital Civil Rights and Media Literacy In 2005, John Batelle characterized Google as a ?database of intents?: a valuable archive of individual and collective wishes. As the number of services offered by search engines is expanding, large amounts of personal information are gathered, stored and used for commercial purposes. The current technological climate seems to be one in which the user is virtually unaware of who or what is behind the web applications they use on a daily basis. Questions to be discussed in this session include: How does the intermediary function of search engines threaten digital civil rights such as the right to privacy and freedom of expression? What role can politics play in protecting these rights? How can the way search engines are designed aid to protecting our autonomy? How will the legal framework concerning search engines be shaped? And, after substantial investments in media intelligence, how are these matters raised on a national and European level? Moderator: Caroline Nevejan Speakers: ?* Nart Villeneuve (CA), Open Net Initiative. ?* Joris van Hoboken (NL), doctoral candidate at the Institute for Information Law at the University of Amsterdam. His research focuses on digital civil rights and the legal framework concerning search engines. ?* Ippolita Collective (IT), Italian collective that recently published ?Luci e Ombre di Google? (2007), available in English as ?The Dark Side of Google?. Alternative Search (1) In response to a growing interest in alternative methods to search the web, this session will focus on three ?genres? of alternatives on the level of the user, the software and the network ? represented and compared by researchers. The first genre that is attended to will include the upcoming ?general purpose?-search engine, a search engine designed specifically with large audiences and competition with Google in mind. The second genre will focus on search methods that disregard the ?engine? as dominant paradigm. How promising are, for example, peer- to-peer and open source technologies with regards to the current search conditions and which alternatives for commercial and centralizing methods have already emerged? The third and final genre consists of specialized search engines, mostly targeting specific content. What can we learn, for instance, from search methods within certain web spheres, such as the blogosphere, or the flourishing area of mobile search? And, how is the field of visual search developing, looking beyond the tag as systematizing principle? Moderator: Eric Sieverts Speakers: ?* Matthew Fuller (UK), Goldsmiths College, will discuss alternative search engines and interventions within the field of artists. ?* Cees Snoek/Marcel Worring (NL), University of Amsterdam, focuses on visual search engines, competitions between universities in the US and Amsterdam, assignment for the search engine: find the red hat in the movie as fast as possible. ?* Ingmar Weber (NL/FR), post doctorate researcher in information retrieval at the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne in Switzerland. His doctoral research focused on efficient data structures and applications for an interactive search engine called ?CompleteSearch?. Art and the Engine Even during the web?s early stages, artists used this platform to produce and distribute a extensive diversity of media such as animation, programming, video, audio and games. ?While in the last decennium we have witnessed a shift from the ?directory? towards the algorithm, it is the art database that has been refining the directory model for years. What influence does Google?s omnipresence have over the production and distribution of web based art? How does art criticism manifest itself in the era of Google? And, how the can online artistic experience be preserved and made easily findable? While examining these issues, the Institute of Network Cultures will invite representatives of some of the largest art databases, such as the Rhizome ArtBase and the Whitney ArtPort, to discuss the latest developments in the classification, annotation and visualization of web based art. Concentrating on the latest developments within the field of graphic design, art and the architecture of information, additionally this session will address potential outcomes of search result design. Questions to be discussed in this session include: How can we achieve more advanced forms of interface design and search result design? What role do graphic and visual representations play in the conveyance of digital information? Do alternatives exist that can challenge the ?ranked list? as dominant type of search result presentation? And, how would the interface be able to stimulate new and progressive ways for the user to search, find and analyze data? Moderator: Sabine Niederer Speakers: ?* Lev Manovich (USA), UCSD professor, media theorist and initiator of Software Studies. ?* Daniel van der Velden (NL), Metahaven Design Research is a design and research agency in Amsterdam, that researches the potential power of ?bridging nodes?, the peripheral nodes in a network, and is implementing this theory into a prototype for a new kind of search engine. ?* Christopher Bruno (FR), artist. Produces polymorphic art inspired by network phenomena and globalization regarding image and language. ?* Allessandro Ludovico (IT), thoughts on the aftermath of the Google Will Eat Itself project. Googlization of Everyday Life Questions to be discussed in this session include: In what way does the hegemony of some of the bigger search engines influence the flow of information and the diversity and accessibility of web content? How does the current division of power influence the administration of informational sources. And, what are the results of the Google BookSearch agreement? Introduction and moderation by Andrew Keen Speakers: ?* Siva Vaidhyanathan (US), culture historian and Associate Professor in Media Studies and Law at the University of Virginia. Authored publications include ?The Anarchist in the Library? (2004) and the forthcoming ?The Googlization of Everything? (early 2010). ?* Stefan Weber (Vienna) on the dangers of plagiarism and Google?s role in the decline of education. ?* Benjamin Edelman (US), How Google and Its Partners Inflate Measured Conversion Rates and Increase Advertisers? Costs. Flarf Performance Alternative Search (2) In response to a growing interest in alternative methods to search the web, this session will focus on three ?genres? of alternatives on the level of the user, the software and the network ? represented and compared by researchers. The first genre that is attended to will include the upcoming ?general purpose?-search engine, a search engine designed specifically with large audiences and competition with Google in mind. The second genre will focus on search methods that disregard the ?engine? as dominant paradigm. How promising are, for example, peer- to-peer and open source technologies with regards to the current search conditions and which alternatives for commercial and centralizing methods have already emerged? The third and final genre consists of specialized search engines, mostly targeting specific content. What can we learn, for instance, from search methods within certain web spheres, such as the blogosphere, or the flourishing area of mobile search? And, how is the field of visual search developing, looking beyond the tag as systematizing principle? Moderator: Richard Rogers Speakers: ?* Florian Cramer (Rotterdam), head of the Master of Arts in Media Design program at the Piet Zwart Institute/ Willem de Kooning Academy in Rotterdam. Authored publications include the essay ?Animals that Belong to the Emperor: Failing Universal Classification Schemes from Aristotle to the Semantic Web? (2007). ?* Europeana Thought Lab (The Hague), Semantic Search Engine for Europeana ?* Stephen Pemberton (Amsterdam), chairman of the XHTML2 Working Group at W3C and researcher at the Center for Mathematics and Computer Science in Amsterdam. Project Showcase This segment of the conference will consist of the exhibition of specific projects addressing the theme of the search engine, and will be divided into two parts. During the conference, a display of computers and screens will be available on which the latest generation of search engines is installed. The Institute of Network Cultures seeks to give visitors the opportunity to discover search engines such as Wolfram Alpha, Quaero, Theseus and Autonomy. This will provide them with hands-on experience of the range of search methods discussed in the conference sessions. Furthermore, the Institute of Network Cultures plans to organize a concluding evening program to do justice to the diversity of artistic and activist projects that examine the role of the search engine in contemporary society. The works presented in the evening program will vary from browser extensions, alternative search engines and net art projects to videos and VJ performances. It is aspired that artists and developers will be present during this showcase to discuss and elaborate on their work with the audience. -- Olga http://www.ungravitational.net http://virtualfirefly.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour at netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 11:59:52 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:59:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny poems In-Reply-To: <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> Message-ID: Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, they are long lines, yes. Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. A FARM PICTURE. Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. --Whitman ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Beautiful but not tiny. > > Graham, David wrote: >> >> >> >> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >> >> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I >> heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, >> through one of the wrists around my head; >> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing >> little bells last night under my ear. >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > > wrote: >> >>> >>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to >>> emailing on my new iTouch. >>> >>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on >>> everyone's list is Walt Whitman. >>> >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beacon Press, 1971. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! > Well, they are long lines, yes. > > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > A FARM PICTURE. > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >>> >>> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >>> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >>> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >>> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >>> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera? >>> I heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >>> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, >>> through one of the wrists around my head; >>> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing >>> little bells last night under my ear. >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to >>>> emailing on my new iTouch. >>>> >>>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on >>>> everyone's list is Walt Whitman. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Graham >>>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Home page: >>>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! > Well, they are long lines, yes. > > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > *A FARM PICTURE.* > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >>> >>> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last >>> Sunday morn I pass'd the church; >>> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard >>> your long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >>> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I >>> heard the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >>> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through >>> one of the wrists around my head; >>> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little >>> bells last night under my ear. >>> >>> >>> David Graham >>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>> ------------------------ >>> Home page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing >>>> on my new iTouch. >>>> >>>> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's >>>> list is Walt Whitman. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Graham >>>> Grahamd at Ripon.edu >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Home page: >>>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:37:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:37:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: flarf: barf or bullion? In-Reply-To: References: <118435.7026.qm@web45609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300937g1b0661e5x2ec24e264513de8e@mail.gmail.com> I also wanted to add to my previous remark: After Flarf, the New Renaissance. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > Deer Head Nation is almost formal; Kasey reads the punctuation as > noise, for example. > > Ara Shirinyan's work is interesting, too -- Syria is in the World. > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 12:37:50 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:50 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny poems In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> Message-ID: Very quietudinous and of the 2nd form of the wilshberian schema (v 3.14159) ... but also-- as Tad noted-- lovely. This is going to make Bob want to bat me over the head, but I should go back and look at some of the smaller Whitman poems. Along with other fine suggestions, which I REALLY appreciate. And when Bob is done batting, and I should probably stop bobbing and weaving and taunting him as a bell-itcher, I hope he'll chime in too. c On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! ?Well, they > are long lines, yes. > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > A FARM PICTURE. > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > Beautiful but not tiny. > Graham, David wrote: > > > ? ? ? I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last? ? ? ? ? Sunday morn I > pass'd the church; > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I? ? ? ? ? heard your > long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so? ? ? ? ? mournful; > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I? ? ? ? ? heard the > soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low,? ? ? ? ? through one of > the wrists around my head; > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little? ? ? ? ? bells > last night under my ear. > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > wrote: > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my new > iTouch. > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is > Walt Whitman. > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:38:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:38:19 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> I tell you, David Graham knows what he is doing. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Just concise enough. > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > >> That's a little too concise for me. Unless there's a microdot >> somewhere, Agent G. >> >> c >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: >> > >> > >> > David Graham >> > Grahamd at Ripon.edu >> > ------------------------ >> > Home page: >> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:44:23 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:44:23 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> What about our old/new/dear Emily? They are all tiny poems. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > Out of print now but still available used is Robert Bly's anthology *The > Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of Tiny Poems,* from Beacon Press. Including, > as you might expect, a good many translations. > Lots of good stuff in it. Here's one I've loved for thirty-eight years, > and one I don't believe I've ever seen anthologized elsewhere. > > *At the Desk* > > I spent the entire day in official details; > And it almost pulled me down like the others: > I felt that tiny insane voluptuousness, > Getting this done, finally finishing that. > > --Theodor Storm, trans. Robert Bly. *The Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of > Tiny Poems*. ed. Robert Bly. Beacon Press, 1971. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: > > Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, > they are long lines, yes. > Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. > > *A FARM PICTURE.* > > Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, > A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, > And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. > > --Whitman > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > Beautiful but not tiny. > > Graham, David wrote: > > > > > I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. > > I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday morn > I pass'd the church; > Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your > long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; > I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard > the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; > ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one of > the wrists around my head; > Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells > last night under my ear. > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" mailto:GrahamD at ripon.edu >> wrote: > > > Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my > new iTouch. > > A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is > Walt Whitman. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:06:29 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But they're big tiny poems. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > What about our old/new/dear Emily? They are all tiny poems. > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Out of print now but still available used is Robert Bly's anthology *The >> Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of Tiny Poems,* from Beacon Press. Including, >> as you might expect, a good many translations. >> Lots of good stuff in it. Here's one I've loved for thirty-eight years, >> and one I don't believe I've ever seen anthologized elsewhere. >> >> *At the Desk* >> >> I spent the entire day in official details; >> And it almost pulled me down like the others: >> I felt that tiny insane voluptuousness, >> Getting this done, finally finishing that. >> >> --Theodor Storm, trans. Robert Bly. *The Sea & the Honeycomb: A Book of >> Tiny Poems*. ed. Robert Bly. Beacon Press, 1971. >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >> Hey, I thought 5 lines was pretty small, especially for Whitman! Well, >> they are long lines, yes. >> Here's a 3-liner I've long loved. >> >> *A FARM PICTURE.* >> >> Through the ample open door of the peaceful country barn, >> A sunlit pasture field with cattle and horses feeding, >> And haze and vista, and the far horizon fading away. >> >> --Whitman >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, TheOldMole wrote: >> >> Beautiful but not tiny. >> >> Graham, David wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I HEARD YOU, SOLEMN-SWEET PIPES OF THE ORGAN. >> >> I HEARD you, solemn-sweet pipes of the organ, as last Sunday >> morn I pass'd the church; >> Winds of autumn!?as I walk'd the woods at dusk, I heard your >> long-stretch'd sighs, up above, so mournful; >> I heard the perfect Italian tenor, singing at the opera?I heard >> the soprano in the midst of the quartet singing; >> ?Heart of my love!?you too I heard, murmuring low, through one >> of the wrists around my head; >> Heard the pulse of you, when all was still, ringing little bells >> last night under my ear. >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu > >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 AM, "Graham, David" > mailto:GrahamD at ripon.edu >> wrote: >> >> >> Sorry about the blank I just fired. Still getting used to emailing on my >> new iTouch. >> >> A brilliant writer of tiny poems who may not show up on everyone's list is >> Walt Whitman. >> >> >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd at Ripon.edu > >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tell me under the shadow of the willow tree... c From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 13:10:18 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:10:18 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <112BB64F-CE3E-4676-B7D3-26EC5E053923@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300938g424f12cci4dbe68db3b336a0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I tell you, David Graham knows what he is doing. Yeah, but does he have to be so loud and ostentatious about it? c From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 14:02:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:02:14 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] singing book Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301102v4a597143t842f6a272826ff1a@mail.gmail.com> also with Carol Novak: http://fr.calameo.com/read/000007739c1b68f2a353f -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was Whitman ever concise? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who can't be? Sonnets are short. Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku too numerous to name. I think the school of conventional contemporary American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's in Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. Seems to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a few pages to his work in my book, /From Haiku To Lyriku/. 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AS NEEDED This will explain nearly everything: I'm a Great Man (in disguise) **** and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: NOT YET TITLED Overcoming overcoming *** vita brevis, SPX From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 14:19:07 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:19:07 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris.? But > above is part of my problem.? No definition of terms.? I immediately thought > of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names.? Part of my gripe had to > do with? the idea that what to me were? pretty much standard? lyric poets > were being? considered concisionists.? Whitman later came up.? Was Whitman > ever concise?? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who can't > be?? Sonnets are short. If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about taxonomy, not me. If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or brevity, by all means share it. David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- just that poem. > Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to > strive methodically for concision.? The imagists followed, then Williams. Thanks. > I have lots of favorites.? Among them are composers of conventional haiku > too numerous to name. I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. >I think the school of conventional contemporary > American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be.? It's in > Wishberia.? Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the > middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it.? Seems > to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far > mentioned.? I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles > that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin.? I devote quite a few > pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. Where can I get it? I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. It's that kind of thing that makes people so excited about new poetry. > > If this thread keeps going for a while, I'll find some of his poems to > quote. That'd be kind of you. But only if you don't have to deign to do it. c From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 14:39:59 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:39:59 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301139q24a8b736ic5d6be7b560685aa@mail.gmail.com> He'll have to reign to do it [oh, am I being blasphemous? -again] On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > > > Thanks for inviting me to mention favorites, in a previous post, Chris. > But > > above is part of my problem. No definition of terms. I immediately > thought > > of Emily's poems when you and Mole mentioned names. Part of my gripe had > to > > do with the idea that what to me were pretty much standard lyric poets > > were being considered concisionists. Whitman later came up. Was > Whitman > > ever concise? If he can be considered a composer of brief poems, who > can't > > be? Sonnets are short. > > If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about > taxonomy, not me. If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or > brevity, by all means share it. > > David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a > brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- > just that poem. > > > Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to > > strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. > > Thanks. > > > I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku > > too numerous to name. > > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > > >I think the school of conventional contemporary > > American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's > in > > Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in > the > > middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. > Seems > > to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far > > mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles > > that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a > few > > pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. > > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me > are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts > to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed > and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> Pound predated Archilocos? The sage-poets who first scratched proto-ideograms on Chinese tile? Hmmm. From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 15:12:30 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:12:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny Word-Square (a spell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mind idea nest data From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:22:54 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny Word-Square (a spell) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301222g15286486ja748ee88d2b82f14@mail.gmail.com> lovely, it reminded me of Daniel Zimmerman's Isotopes: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=202 otherwise a couple more here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=44 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > mind > idea > nest > data > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > Can't resist, here are two of mine > (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife > might say, is "just showing-out.") > > AS NEEDED > > This will explain nearly everything: I'm > a Great Man (in disguise) > > **** > > and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ammons.* > Here's one now: > > * Their > Sex Life > > One failure on > Top of another. > --A. R. Ammons > * > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 15:47:16 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> Message-ID: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> W. S. 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Elegy Who would I show it to David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: > > Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 > > At the far end of candles > came a nun, flickering at her devotions > this early in the morning. > > > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks > wrote: > Can't resist, here are two of mine > (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife > might say, is "just showing-out.") > > AS NEEDED > > This will explain nearly everything: I'm > a Great Man (in disguise) > > **** > > and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:49:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:49:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Now you're confusing concision with brevity. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David wrote: > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > Elegy > > > Who would I show it to > > > > > > David GrahamGrahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: > > Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 > > At the far end of candles > came a nun, flickering at her devotions > this early in the morning. > > > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks < > barry.spacks at verizon.net> wrote: > >> Can't resist, here are two of mine >> (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife >> might say, is "just showing-out.") >> >> AS NEEDED >> >> This will explain nearly everything: I'm >> a Great Man (in disguise) >> >> **** >> >> and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: >> >> NOT YET TITLED >> >> Overcoming >> overcoming >> *** >> >> vita brevis, >> >> SPX >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 15:52:41 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:52:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <577C0856269A4533B404DD787C31D66E@win.louisiana.edu> To wit -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Graham, David Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:47 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. Elegy Who would I show it to David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:34 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: Ah, well, since SPX is indulging himself, I will too: Poems from the Book of Nanoseconds, #46 At the far end of candles came a nun, flickering at her devotions this early in the morning. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Barry Spacks < barry.spacks at verizon.net> wrote: Can't resist, here are two of mine (the 2-worder, as my South Carolingian wife might say, is "just showing-out.") AS NEEDED This will explain nearly everything: I'm a Great Man (in disguise) **** and a Buddhist poem should always be welcome, if tiny enough: NOT YET TITLED Overcoming overcoming *** vita brevis, SPX _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:53:01 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:53:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Here's one du jour: Franken crankin' Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > Brilliant When Alone > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 15:58:27 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:58:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more concise form if you can. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David > wrote: > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > Elegy > > Who would I show it to > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:04:05 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> Message-ID: More concise Merwin: Who'd I show't to? Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Graham, David wrote: > I think not. 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URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 16:04:08 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <5DF4C1419CDF40CBAE8850285D9DBCAD@win.louisiana.edu> Elegy Who . . .how . . to -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Graham, David Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:58 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more concise form if you can. David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: Now you're confusing concision with brevity. Hal On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: W. S. 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But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more > concise form if you can. > > > > > > > > David Graham > > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > > ------------------------ > > Home page: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < > GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: > > W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. > > > > *Elegy* > > > > Who would I show it to > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> Here's one de la nuit: Franken stein On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Here's one du jour: > > Franken > crankin' > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > >> Brilliant When Alone >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:15 PM, David Graham wrote: > *The White Horse * > > The youth walks up to the white horse, to put its halter on > and the horse looks at him in silence. > They are so silent they are in another world. > > --D. H. Lawrence. *Selected Poems.* Ed. Kenneth Rexroth. Viking Press, > 1959. > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:26:39 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:26:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> References: <0E67A618C8EF47E5AACE207D4BA6103C@win.louisiana.edu> <4b65c2d70906301312m7f207f91g709e1627b1877482@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Make that Senator Franken stein Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Here's one de la nuit: > > Franken > stein > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Here's one du jour: >> >> Franken >> crankin' >> >> Hal >> >> "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. >> Those who count the ballots decide everything." >> --Joseph Stalin >> >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Skip Fox wrote: >> >>> Brilliant When Alone >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Graham wrote: > Now you're confusing size with speed. . . . > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > What next, a tiny FedEx? > > Hal > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > . > > I told you I didn?t feel well. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 16:56:47 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:56:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 3: The Tombstone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30AB3662E0194B52B6815EAF598F970C@win.louisiana.edu> I hate it when you're right. (To A.E. 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Chapter 1: TheBumpersticker In-Reply-To: <69061720679E4C9788DE5122B9622772@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <82275E8991C043FFA47D3CC1BE254777@win.louisiana.edu> The Ride Bestrides Its Time (On a classic Olds?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:05:57 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 4: The Fortune Cookie In-Reply-To: <30AB3662E0194B52B6815EAF598F970C@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: May all your children commit suicide. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:07:33 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:07:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1:TheBumpersticker In-Reply-To: <82275E8991C043FFA47D3CC1BE254777@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <846EFF1F96B745FBA4B100376390DE41@win.louisiana.edu> Nothing Succeeds Like Deceit (Sticker for Neo-Cons) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 17:08:53 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:08:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] American sentences Message-ID: <65651C84-6A83-4CFE-AF5C-DDC1AAD8ECBE@ripon.edu> Even that windbag Allen Ginsberg had an interest in brevity & possibly concision. He experimented with what he called American Sentences, which are simply 17-syllable sentences indebted to haiku. There's a pretty interesting web site devoted to the form. Here is Paul Nelson's essay on it: http://www.americansentences.com/about.html Kim Addonizio, in her how-to book *Ordinary Genius*, pushes the use of American Sentences as a kind of warm-up exercise for students, and as discipline in observation. Here's an example from Ginsberg: Tompkins Square Lower East Side N.Y. Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:12:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:12:49 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] American sentences In-Reply-To: <65651C84-6A83-4CFE-AF5C-DDC1AAD8ECBE@ripon.edu> References: <65651C84-6A83-4CFE-AF5C-DDC1AAD8ECBE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301412y37b204e0ge920008d64e90bee@mail.gmail.com> If you go there, then we have to mention our James Finnegan and his Ursprache. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > Even that windbag Allen Ginsberg had an interest in brevity & possibly > concision. He experimented with what he called American Sentences, which > are simply 17-syllable sentences indebted to haiku. > There's a pretty interesting web site devoted to the > form. Here is Paul Nelson's essay on it: > > http://www.americansentences.com/about.html > > Kim Addonizio, in her how-to book *Ordinary Genius*, pushes the use of > American > Sentences as a kind of warm-up exercise for students, and as discipline in observation. > > Here's an example from Ginsberg: > > *Tompkins Square Lower East Side N.Y.* > > Four skinheads stand in the streetlight rain chatting under an umbrella. > > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:13:47 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:13:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sticker Shock Press In-Reply-To: <846EFF1F96B745FBA4B100376390DE41@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <508DFECB9D6C47A1B927D95CA5B5D7A5@win.louisiana.edu> Wouldn't a book of bumper-stickers that you could tear out and put on your car (or fridge, or casket, or whatever) written by poets be a decent idea? Here's one by Tom McLean: "Bored and Armed." (Lovely!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:15:42 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:15:42 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pina Bausch Message-ID: <4b65c2d70906301415x22a8b37dl6b7aca76703a72ce@mail.gmail.com> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/pina-bausch-dies/?hpw one of my poems on her is being uploaded in these days online. She_ so sorry. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > Which, unlike the Ferriaolo poems I mentioned earlier are more poetry > than aphorism... > > c > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Anny > Ballardini wrote: > > If you go there, then we have to mention our James Finnegan and his > > Ursprache. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jun 30 17:19:18 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:19:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Haiku paragraphs In-Reply-To: <65651C84-6A83-4CFE-AF5C-DDC1AAD8ECBE@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <989A3C9274A740FA97EE6239C01FB460@win.louisiana.edu> Zen is for wise guys. Buddhism is for old men. Tits are forever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:46:42 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:46:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <648208b60906301446r58b109d9g63703a517e0e68d1@mail.gmail.com> So? On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Graham, David wrote: > I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to more > concise form if you can. > > > > David GrahamGrahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > Now you're confusing concision with brevity. > > Hal > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Graham, David < > GrahamD at ripon.edu> wrote: > >> W. S. Merwin is hard to top in the concision department. >> >> Elegy >> >> >> Who would I show it to >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jun 30 18:08:09 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:08:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny In-Reply-To: <648208b60906301446r58b109d9g63703a517e0e68d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <825823B4-C1F6-4745-AB90-3D57F2BB7816@ripon.edu> <979EE10C-92B4-41BB-A51D-30AACD3DD7C6@ripon.edu> <648208b60906301446r58b109d9g63703a517e0e68d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <796A93C1-5D17-4D53-A413-7366C79DC352@ripon.edu> So what? David Graham Grahamd at Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Jun 30, 2009, at 4:47 PM, "James Cervantes" wrote: > So? > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Graham, David > wrote: > I think not. But feel free to edit Merwin's seven word poem down to > more concise form if you can. > > > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, "Halvard Johnson" > wrote: > >> Now you're confusing concision with brevity. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:39:01 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:39:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <4A4A3067.7020305@opus40.org> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70906300944o8224e1bx2d9e880bed71c677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4A9405.6050707@opus40.org> Imagine a plot of land with a woman on it--not haphazardly, but as if planted, and not by you. This woman precedes your imagination. Watch out. She is leaving. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:47:29 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:47:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Flattery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4A9601.2070907@opus40.org> She's nobody. But, come to think of it...who are you? Graham, David wrote: > Nicest email come-on I've had in a long time: > > "Emily [Dickinson] added you as a friend on Facebook. We need to > confirm that you know Emily in order for you to be friends on Facebook." > > David Graham > Grahamd at Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:50:33 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:50:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Small Poem. Chapter 1: The Bumpersticker In-Reply-To: References: <69061720679E4C9788DE5122B9622772@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A96B9.5070205@opus40.org> Beer...it's not just for breakfast anymore. David Graham wrote: > Once seen on a T-shirt: > > "Re-hab is for quitters" > > Once seen as a bumper sticker: > > "Meat is dead." > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > >> Leviticus Be Damned! >> >> (Or would that be better on a t-shirt?) >> >> _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jun 30 18:52:23 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:52:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny DHL In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4A6E0-F6C5-40BA-A521-9DB202836CE7@ripon.edu> <8DB560BB-103E-4C85-B5FB-50C5E85E1C45@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4A4A9727.7040509@opus40.org> Whaddya mean? I sparkle out in left. Halvard Johnson wrote: > Now I'm really confused. I thought DHL was a league of > designated hitters, just a bunch of guys going up there > and taking their swings--sort of like NewPo, eh? > > Hal > > "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. > Those who count the ballots decide everything." > --Joseph Stalin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Graham > wrote: > > Now you're confusing size with speed. . . . > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> What next, a tiny FedEx? >> >> Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:09:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:09:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny In-Reply-To: <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> How about Not Yet Titled NOT YET TITLED as a title? --Bob > > NOT YET TITLED > > Overcoming > overcoming > *** > > vita brevis, > > SPX From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 19:12:43 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:12:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tiny In-Reply-To: <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> References: <200906301600.n5UG04rO008696@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <68800F3A-AA8C-4763-8BA1-217B14014046@verizon.net> <4A4AA937.1000609@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60906301612h283b03f0r591f48300b32d777@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I thought you were referring to Skip Fox's bumper sticker. - Jim On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > How about > > Not Yet Titled > NOT YET TITLED > > as a title? > > --Bob > >> >> NOT YET TITLED >> >> Overcoming >> overcoming >> *** >> >> vita brevis, >> >> SPX >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sonnets are short. >> > > If I gave definitions I'd be lambasted. You are wound up about > taxonomy, not me. The problem with ignoring definitions (not taxonomy) is that you are merely asking people to tell us who their favorite poets are. Not too interesting. > If you feel a poem is notable for its concision or > brevity, by all means share it. > > David Graham shared a 3-line Whitman poem. I consider that to be a > brief poem. Which doesn't make Whitman "a composer of brief poems" -- > just that poem. > Fine--someone who composed a brief but not concise poem. > >> Seems to me Pound and . . . was Flint his name? were the first poets to >> strive methodically for concision. The imagists followed, then Williams. >> > > Thanks. > > >> I have lots of favorites. Among them are composers of conventional haiku >> too numerous to name. >> > > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously. Add "them all" if you don't like ellipses. > >> I think the school of conventional contemporary >> American haiku is still not part of Wilshberia though it should be. It's in >> Wishberia. Because its members write stuff that's similar to what's in the >> middle of Wilshberia and want but can't get full recognition for it. Seems >> to me writers of haiku (haijin) write briefer poems than any poet so far >> mentioned. I will mention one name, John Martone, whose poetry straddles >> that of the conventional haijin and innovative haijin. I devote quite a few >> pages to his work in my book, From Haiku To Lyriku. >> > > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > Yeeks, you can order it from me. $10, ppd. I'd love to send it to you free but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps. Minor but expensive recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. > I don't get you Bob. You complain endlessly about how people like me > are terribly uninformed and narrow, but then when I ask for thoughts > to try to learn, what do you do? Berate me for how terribly uninformed > and narrow I am. Thanks so much for that. It's that kind of thing that > makes people so excited about new poetry. > I think you're over-reacting to a minor gripe. > If this thread keeps going for a while, I'll find some of his poems to > quote. > > > That'd be kind of you. But only if you don't have to deign to do it. > > c > Sorry, Chris. I'm really tired. I really don't feel myself above doing it, I feel myself just too tired to (and consider it a fault, my body being me). But here's a Martone: follow the highest bird note to a bare stone place 2 more: kitchen breezes children water color! * * * perfect rain-rings each moment in next-door's puddle but those 3 children can't come out Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them. They appear usually in booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:33:23 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:33:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who first strove for concision? In-Reply-To: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> References: <7489F6C3387C4FC480F14D960757426B@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4A4AAED3.8030200@nut-n-but.net> Skip Fox wrote: > Pound predated Archilocos? The sage-poets who first scratched > proto-ideograms on Chinese tile? Hmmm. of modern times in English From chris at chrislott.org Tue Jun 30 19:34:33 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:34:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: <4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu> <80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu> <4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net> <4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to > name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. > > See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously.? Add "them all" > if you don't like ellipses. I think perhaps you are reading me wrong. This is just simple logic. The phrase "too numerous to name" must have an implied "them all" after it because unless you have no time at all, you have time to list "some" or one (as you did). It's a phrase that's never made sense to me. > Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. > Where can I get it? > > Yeeks, you can order it from me.? $10, ppd.? I'd love to send it to you free > but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps.? Minor but expensive > recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. Backchannel me your snail mail address-- or paypal email if you do that-- and I'll order! Thanks a lot for the following! > > But here's a Martone: > > follow > the > highest > > bird note > to > a bare > > stone > place > > > 2 more: > > kitchen breezes > children > water color! > > * * * > > perfect > rain-rings > > each > moment > in > > next-door's > puddle > but > > those 3 > > children > can't > come out > > > Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them.? They appear usually in > booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. It's very hard to find that kind of physical object up here, and not much easier online! c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jun 30 20:56:25 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:56:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tiny poems/Robert Bly In-Reply-To: References: <6607128E-D1C6-4978-BB7D-767686699184@ripon.edu><80155367-AFB4-4FB8-9 FC7-CBD2F4BBE7BC@ripon.edu><4A4A62A9.5030201@nut-n-but.net><4A4AAE28.9050601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4A4AB439.9050704@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >> I've never understood this phrase. I think you mean "too numerous to >> name them all." Then again, I'm not asking for all of them. >> >> See, you're defining right back at me, but surreptitiously. Add "them all" >> if you don't like ellipses. >> > > I think perhaps you are reading me wrong. This is just simple logic. > The phrase "too numerous to name" must have an implied "them all" > after it because unless you have no time at all, you have time to list > "some" or one (as you did). It's a phrase that's never made sense to > me. > > I'm tireder. But actually my main meaning for "too numerous to name" was "too numerous to name any for fear of seeming to rank those named higher than those not named." >> Thanks for that mention. I don't have your book. I probably should. >> Where can I get it? >> >> Yeeks, you can order it from me. $10, ppd. I'd love to send it to you free >> but I'm about (seriously) to apply for food stamps. Minor but expensive >> recent medical problems and I have no insurance but Medicare. >> > > Backchannel me your snail mail address-- or paypal email if you do > that-- and I'll order! > Thanks, Chris. I don't mind everyone's knowing my snailmail address: 1708 Hayworth Road, Port Charlotte FL 33952. > Thanks a lot for the following! > > >> But here's a Martone: >> >> follow >> the >> highest >> >> bird note >> to >> a bare >> >> stone >> place >> >> >> 2 more: >> >> kitchen breezes >> children >> water color! >> >> * * * >> >> perfect >> rain-rings >> >> each >> moment >> in >> >> next-door's >> puddle >> but >> >> those 3 >> >> children >> can't >> come out >> >> >> Simple, maybe sentimental, but I like them. They appear usually in >> booklets of few pages maybe two inches by three inches. >> > > It's very hard to find that kind of physical object up here, and not > much easier online! > > c They're limited editions, too--many of them I think he just sends to friends. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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