Re: [New-Poetry] An Era of Détente for Creative-Wri ting Programs

[SULLIVAN]

Hang on, if you can.

This one's going to be for the gipper.

Signing off, to celebrate independence day,

Mary Ann


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From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
To: <halvard at gmail.com>; "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] An Era of Détente for Creative-Wri ting Programs


> And I've loved you since heaven knows when. There, I've said it again.
>
> Halvard Johnson wrote:
>> I know nothing of MFA programs. There I said it.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing.
>> Those who count the ballots decide everything."
>>                           --Joseph Stalin
>>
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Judy Prince <jbalizsprince at googlemail.com 
>> <mailto:jbalizsprince at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     "An official literary culture tends to exclude."  And plenty of
>>     MFA-gotten folk have, like Anny Ballardini, found much creative
>>     joy and practical use in the programmes, which, as you rightly
>>     point out, Mark, is largely a USA thing.
>>
>>     One of my mantras:  Few situations are not helped by more
>>     information.
>>     Hence, at the understandable risk of a deepened/widened excluding
>>     "official literary culture" [I completely agree with Mark here],
>>     we may as well be finding that MFA students who may not otherwise
>>     have discovered their own poetry-writing power will go on to
>>     develop it and open further networked doors to others.
>>     Will those poets become---and grow---the fairly rare poem-writing
>>     giants?  Yes, in the same way that conservative training has
>>     always done---and in the opposite way of excluding many, of whom a
>>     precious few become recognised for their poetic gifts; namely, a
>>     Dickinson and a Shaksper who emerged from [past? through? beyond?]
>>     a similar excluding conservative mix.
>>     Am I backing MFA programmes?  Yes.
>>     Would I like to see other options?  Most definitely.  As just one
>>     example of many, I'd like to see childcare centers, elementary
>>     schools, middle schools, high schools, city colleges,
>>     universities, as well as public and private libraries, encourage
>>     poetry-writing groups.  One brilliant mentor, like Philip Hobsbaum
>>     at Belfast and Glasgow, can hone a generation of poet-geniuses.
>>     As another example, I see NP and other poetrylists as loaded with
>>     mentors.  Nice, that.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Judy
>>
>>     2009/7/2 Mark Weiss <junction at earthlink.net
>>     <mailto:junction at earthlink.net>>
>>
>>         An official literary culture tends to exclude. We're
>>         developing an official literary culture.
>>
>>      <snip>
>>
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