Re: [New-Poetry] An Era of Détente for Crea ti ve-Wri ting Programs

[Mark Weiss]

My beard is also gray.

At 12:23 PM 7/3/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, sure, remind me how old I am.
>
>Mark Weiss wrote:
>>That would be circa 1962. A different world. How many MFAs or MAs 
>>in creative writing were granted that year (in the entire country), 
>>how many programs were there?
>>
>>At 11:30 AM 7/3/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Graham, David wrote:
>>>>Also, the "standardization" charge is meaningless without 
>>>>illustration. Furthermore, if one wanted to argue rather than 
>>>>merely assert it, that would require some effort.  Certainly it 
>>>>would require more than citing a bland poem or three, since 
>>>>mediocrity is the default mode of all poetry in every era.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>My classmates in the MFA program at Iowa included Marvin Bell, 
>>>Mark Strand, Charles Wright, James Tate, Frank Chin, Lawson Inada, 
>>>Michael S. Harper, and of course me. No L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E or 
>>>vizpoets, but short of Wilshberia, it would be hard to find a 
>>>cookie cutter that would stamp all of them out. And others who 
>>>went in still different directions. Ken Rosen, dyspeptic and 
>>>brilliant. George Keithley, author of a book-length poem on the 
>>>Donner Party. A couple of poet laureates whose work could not be 
>>>more different -- Mary  Crow (Colorado), influenced by her 
>>>Spanish-language translations as much by anything that happened at 
>>>Iowa, and Edmund Skellings (Florida), who went through Iowa 
>>>without absorbing any influences at all, and has remained an 
>>>unregenerate formalist.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tad Richards
>>>Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!
>>>http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner
>>>
>>>http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>>>http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
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