Re: [New-Poetry] An Era of Détente for Creat ive-Wr i ting Programs

[Mark Weiss]

I'm being a good boy. Notice that I'm not bringing up examples.

At 09:38 PM 7/2/2009, you wrote:
>I see you don't agree with my offer of agreeing to disagree, 
>Mark.  Well, I can't agree with that.
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>On Jul 2, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Mark Weiss wrote:
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>>I'm not sure that it's any more hypocritical than a doctor 
>>complaining about his profession (they all do), a teacher 
>>complaining about the uselessness of most schools (they mostly do), 
>>etc. Perhaps the reason that those in other professions tolerate 
>>widespread criticism from within is that no one doubts the 
>>usefulness of what they set out to do, regardless of the 
>>shortcomings of the institutions they work in.
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>>Meanwhile, you might consider that all of us much-proclaimers 
>>didn't begin to much-proclaim out of some weird coincidence.
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>>At 08:01 PM 7/2/2009, you wrote:
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>>>Mark, I'm not saying what you apparently think I'm saying 
>>>below.  I was complaining about what a hypocritical blowhard a 
>>>poet like August Kleinzahler is, who happily accepts cushy 
>>>teaching gigs and reading invitations from the very institutions 
>>>he then sneers at so self-righteously. Mostly, it seems, without 
>>>much familiarity with the life of a regular faculty member in such a program.
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>>>Apart from that, concerning the value of MFA programs and the 
>>>much-proclaimed but little-illustrated "bureaucratization of 
>>>poetry" you keep mentioning, we should probably just agree to 
>>>disagree at this point.
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