From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 11:47:15 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the usual Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901010847uc31ab3ehb939ed48c4f32dba@mail.gmail.com> Today is *New Year's Day*, the first day of 2009. T.S. Eliot said, "For last year's words belong to last year's language and next year's words await another voice. And to make an end is to make a beginning." And Oscar Wilde said, "Good resolutions are simply checks that men draw on a bank where they have no account." -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/d239331f/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jan 2 12:20:41 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Packer backs off a bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495E4CE9.9080803@opus40.org> "Contemporary American poetry has too many mansions to be summed up under a throwaway phrase like ?private activity.? Its multitude of schools and forms is like the N.B.A. in the nineteen-seventies, when there was no dominant team but a confused contest of warring tribes." Then I shall style myself the Earl "the Pearl" Monroe of contemporary poetry. JforJames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/12/my-derisive-res.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From JforJames at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:21:23 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) Message-ID: The work of Brian Dettmer... _http://centripetalnotion.com/2007/09/13/13:26:26/_ (http://centripetalnotion.com/2007/09/13/13:26:26/) _http://www.toomey-tourell.com/artists/brian-dettmer_ (http://www.toomey-tourell.com/artists/brian-dettmer) (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/12/my-derisive-res.html) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/e047916b/attachment.html From JforJames at aol.com Fri Jan 2 13:28:56 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Packer backs off a bit Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2009 12:21:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Opus40-01@opus40.org writes: Then I shall style myself the Earl "the Pearl" Monroe of contemporary poetry. Good choice... Earl ?the Pearl? Monroe said, "The thing is, I don't know what I'm going to do with the ball, and if I don't know, I'm quite sure the guy guarding me doesn't know either." But then again, Tad, you never could play D. Finnegan -- Manute Bol There is a very tall Sudanese man standing on the sidewalk, amid the snowbanks of this New England town, a former NBA player who blocked over two thousand shots. But America gives glory to the scorer, and he can still hear an assistant coach yelling, ?Bol, take it to the hole!? The muscles ripple down through the thighs, then melt into nothing. A very New England poet has it that ?No memory of having starred / atones for later disregard.? Standing there in a long black leather jacket, the passers-by with their overlong stares, another version of ?How?s the weather up there?? Cold, wet. Today there is a confused expression on his face, a 7 foot 7 inch child looking a little lost, far from the homeland of the Dinka, a tinge of sadness around the eyes, as though his ball had rolled out into the street and he wasn?t sure if it was safe to go after it. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. 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Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/45340b69/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 2 14:48:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495E6FA8.5@nut-n-but.net> JforJames@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/2009 1:40:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: > > Interesting stuff, James. Thanks. > > Resolution 1: This will be the year in which I no longer turn a blind > eye to visual poetics. > Finnegan But I'll continue turning a blind eye to Iowa Plaintext Lyric Poetry! Except I really never have--nor have you been blind to vispo. More than once you've mentioned vispo sites I didn't know about. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/e68ff381/attachment.html From JforJames at aol.com Fri Jan 2 16:12:39 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thousands of shoes Message-ID: Perhaps George Bush's motorcade had passed by earlier.. _http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iO2_bf4X8GlRZiIJuAB0uuXovme gD95F75R00_ (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iO2_bf4X8GlRZiIJuAB0uuXovmegD95F75R00) MIAMI (AP) ? State troopers are looking for a charity to take thousands of shoes that were dumped on a Miami expressway, tying up rush hour traffic. Lt. Pat Santangelo says the Florida Highway Patrol received a call about the shoes Friday morning. Santangelo says he's not sure where the shoes came from. There were no signs of a crash and no one stopped to claim them. He says he hopes someone will take them because he doesn't want to send them to the dump. Workers using a front-end loader and a dump truck were able to quickly clear at least one lane by sweeping all the shoes to shoulder, but delays were expected until they could all be removed. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/30dbfba5/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 18:11:52 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60901021511j7de5289dr67ab375975db2b18@mail.gmail.com> Terrific. The printed book has a future. Makes you want to go out and buy a bunch of xacto knives and start in on the old library. Visual poetry truly. - Jim On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:21 AM, wrote: > The work of Brian Dettmer... > > http://centripetalnotion.com/2007/09/13/13:26:26/ > > http://www.toomey-tourell.com/artists/brian-dettmer > > > > ------------------------------ > New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090102/0b50c079/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 2 19:13:16 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: <648208b60901021511j7de5289dr67ab375975db2b18@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60901021511j7de5289dr67ab375975db2b18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EAD9C.7030601@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > Terrific. The printed book has a future. Makes you want to go out and > buy a bunch of xacto knives and start in on the old library. > > Visual poetry truly. > > - Jim You really don't find these things interesting, Jim? I don't expect others necessarily to find them more interesting than the poems published in those newspaper columns Poet Laureates are blessing us with, but I can understand how one with any interest in books or visual art would not find them interesting. It's actually 3-D collage--but (for me) fascinatingly constrained by the limitations on what cut-up can be used and where it can be used. --Bob G. From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 09:12:27 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: <495EAD9C.7030601@nut-n-but.net> References: <648208b60901021511j7de5289dr67ab375975db2b18@mail.gmail.com> <495EAD9C.7030601@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60901030612g45d67293yef4310ae02418cf@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > James Cervantes wrote: > >> Terrific. The printed book has a future. Makes you want to go out and buy >> a bunch of xacto knives and start in on the old library. >> >> Visual poetry truly. >> >> - Jim >> > You really don't find these things interesting, Jim? I don't expect others > necessarily to find them more interesting than the poems published in those > newspaper columns Poet Laureates are blessing us with, but I can understand > how one with any interest in books or visual art would not find them > interesting. It's actually 3-D collage--but (for me) fascinatingly > constrained by the limitations on what cut-up can be used and where it can > be used. I find them quite interesting and I wish the visual poetry I see on the web had that extra dimension that Dettmer's work has (no pun intended). I know it's a different medium, but not that different since it utilizes the word to a great degree. Most visual poetry I see is also collage but a flat collage, even when animated. One could add 3-D, I suppose, and holographs, and music . . . but then it's becoming something else, no? Not that there's anything wrong with that. -- Jim "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090103/dca6a336/attachment.html From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 3 12:41:05 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) Message-ID: One of the arresting aspects of Dettmer's incised books is the feeling of violation or even violence toward the text; and of course the randomness of what words/phrases get exposed by cutting into those layers of pages, that gives the work another intriquing dimension. Finnegan In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, cervantes.james@gmail.com writes: You really don't find these things interesting, Jim? I don't expect others necessarily to find them more interesting than the poems published in those newspaper columns Poet Laureates are blessing us with, but I can understand how one with any interest in books or visual art would not find them interesting. It's actually 3-D collage--but (for me) fascinatingly constrained by the limitations on what cut-up can be used and where it can be used. I find them quite interesting and I wish the visual poetry I see on the web had that extra dimension that Dettmer's work has (no pun intended). I know it's a different medium, but not that different since it utilizes the word to a great degree. Most visual poetry I see is also collage but a flat collage, even when animated. One could add 3-D, I suppose, and holographs, and music . . . but then it's becoming something else, no? Not that there's anything wrong with that **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090103/225aba91/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Jan 3 12:57:04 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901030957s20dfc3f7je22af48e60bafe9b@mail.gmail.com> James and Jim and Bob, you may find Peter Ciccariello's work fascinating. He's a POETRYETC listmember. His poetry's marvelous, visual poetry stunning, thoughtful. His blog for visual works: http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ Best 2009 wishes to you all! Judy 2009/1/3 > One of the arresting aspects of Dettmer's incised books is the feeling of > violation or even violence toward the text; and of course the randomness of > what words/phrases get exposed by cutting into those layers of pages, that > gives the work another intriquing dimension. > Finnegan > > In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cervantes.james@gmail.com writes: > > You really don't find these things interesting, Jim? I don't expect others >> necessarily to find them more interesting than the poems published in those >> newspaper columns Poet Laureates are blessing us with, but I can understand >> how one with any interest in books or visual art would not find them >> interesting. It's actually 3-D collage--but (for me) fascinatingly >> constrained by the limitations on what cut-up can be used and where it can >> be used. > > > I find them quite interesting and I wish the visual poetry I see on the web > had that extra dimension that Dettmer's work has (no pun intended). I > know it's a different medium, but not that different since it utilizes the > word to a great degree. Most visual poetry I see is also collage but a flat > collage, even when animated. One could add 3-D, I suppose, and holographs, > and music . . . but then it's becoming something else, no? Not that there's > anything wrong with that > > > > > > ------------------------------ > New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090103/e753ec01/attachment.html From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 3 13:05:52 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) Message-ID: Yes, Judy, I do like Peter's work. I would say the visual aspect is foregrounded over the textual aspect, in his work. The text often works as 'texture' on the surface of visual elements. Anny, too, has brought his pieces to the attention of the list from time to time as I recall. Finnegan In a message dated 1/3/2009 12:57:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbalizsprince@googlemail.com writes: James and Jim and Bob, you may find Peter Ciccariello's work fascinating. He's a POETRYETC listmember. His poetry's marvelous, visual poetry stunning, thoughtful. His blog for visual works: _http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/_ (http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090103/825e02b0/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 3 16:23:10 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: <648208b60901030612g45d67293yef4310ae02418cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60901021511j7de5289dr67ab375975db2b18@mail.gmail.com><495EAD9C.7030601@nut-n-b ut.net> <648208b60901030612g45d67293yef4310ae02418cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495FD73E.8060806@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > James Cervantes wrote: > > Terrific. The printed book has a future. Makes you want to go > out and buy a bunch of xacto knives and start in on the old > library. > > Visual poetry truly. > > - Jim > > You really don't find these things interesting, Jim? I don't > expect others necessarily to find them more interesting than the > poems published in those newspaper columns Poet Laureates are > blessing us with, but I can understand how one with any interest > in books or visual art would not find them interesting. It's > actually 3-D collage--but (for me) fascinatingly constrained by > the limitations on what cut-up can be used and where it can be used. > > > I find them quite interesting and I wish the visual poetry I see on > the web had that extra dimension that Dettmer's work has (no pun > intended). I know it's a different medium, but not that different > since it utilizes the word to a great degree. Most visual poetry I > see is also collage but a flat collage, even when animated. One could > add 3-D, I suppose, and holographs, and music . . . but then it's > becoming something else, no? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > -- Jim Okay, Jim, I forgive you for what I took as a disparaging remark about Dettmer's work. You're right about most visual poetry, and stuff called visual poetry that I don't consider visual poetry (although I like a lot of it) is collage. 3-D visual poetry isn't too common but it's been around for a while. My friend K.S. Ernst has long made fascinating pieces out of wooden letters, for instance. Sculpted books aren't new, either, though I think Dettmer may be doing something new with it. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been posting one or more warped haiku daily for a while, and think only one so far even half-okay. The four in this entry may be my worst ones. Don't feel there's anything wrong with you if they seem incoherent to you. ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT: I'll be leaving on a trip tomorrow that will last a week, so may be missing from New-Poetry during that time. I hope New-Poetry can survive a week without its crank. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 05:27:53 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:48:59 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] book art (or autopsies) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901040227n49ca30fbp1cd320933e22a22f@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I also noticed his work, I checked and mentioned him on my blog in 2007. Brian Dettmer stands out on his own, which is quite difficult these days. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, wrote: > The work of Brian Dettmer... > > http://centripetalnotion.com/2007/09/13/13:26:26/ > > http://www.toomey-tourell.com/artists/brian-dettmer > > > > ------------------------------ > New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The holdings ? > primarily modern and contemporary poetry and literature > > > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/gotham-book-mart-holdings-are-given-to-penn/?apage=1 > > ------------------------------ > Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090104/c1f45a99/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 05:46:59 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ezra Pound Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901040246q75df0143jf0c0f80c74c9c3c3@mail.gmail.com> *Oh, no! Ezra Pound, crackpot economist, traitor, poet, nut case and anti-Semite held monetary principles more sound than those emanating from Wall Street, Harvard, Wharton, and the University of Chicago combined!? Not only that but the old lunatic, by way of Confucius and Dante, understood human nature better than the legions of free market stooges that infest our political, economic, and educational institutions and the media. Pound simply understood, as opposed to everyone with a 401K, that the world of finance attracts more greedy thieves than a pile of moose dung attracts flies in June. http://www.flashpointmag.com/ * -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090104/74bac497/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 05:54:56 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] chapbooks Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901040254s7898d820m53dd119cf28a4265@mail.gmail.com> Forwarding upon request by Chris Mansell *PressPress Chapbook Award 2009* The news is that after a successful Award in 2008 the PressPress Chapbook Award will run again in 2009! The Award is for an unpublished chapbook length manuscript of poems. The winning manuscript will receive *$500 and chapbook publication with PressPress*. The closing date is 31 May 2009. Last year's Award had entries from all Australian states, as well as China, Turkey, Poland and New Zealand with one bilingual manuscript. There was a great standard overall which is good for the state of poetry and judges are happy to see innovation and risks taken with the entries. Carolyn Fisher's manuscript,* The Unsuspecting Sky*, was the winner and was published in October 2008. It was Carolyn's first chapbook and has been well received - especially in her home state of Tasmania. I have added a copy of the entry form below but it is best to go to the site to check out the guidelines as well. It would be good if you could pass it on to people you think might be interested. With best wishes Chris PressPress *www.presspress.com.au* *PressPress Chapbook Award 2009* *Entry form* *Title of manuscript* *___________________________________________________________________________ * *Name of author _____________________________________________________________* *Address ___________________________________________________________________ * *Town/Suburb ____________________________________ Postcode _________________ * *Daytime phone ___________________________________ Mobile ___________________* *Email ______________________________________________________________________* *I have read the Conditions of Entry and agree to them. The manuscript is my own* *original work and has not been published as a collection.* *Name ___________________________ Signature ____________________ Date _________* *If you are under 18, the signature of a parent or guardian is required:* *Name of parent/guardian _________________________ Signature ___________________* *Checklist:* *? Manuscript has a title but not the poet's name* *? One hardcopy of manuscript is enclosed* *? SSAE enclosed if you want your original returned.* *? Cheque/money order to PressPress or PayPal receipt for $15 is enclosed.* *? Entry form enclosed.* *? Posted to PressPress Chapbook Award, PO Box 94, Berry NSW 2535, Australia * *so it arrives by 30 May 2009.* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090104/b1825b66/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 05:57:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Together or Separate Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901040257o57289954wb86238e7c9be97b8@mail.gmail.com> International conference Together or Separate : Spatial Concentration and Immigrant Incorporation in the United States, Great Britain and France January 15-16, 2009 at the University of Paris 8, Saint-Denis (Amphi X) Read more : http://www.geopolitique.net/article.php3?id_article=261 Free registration online. Fr?d?rick Douzet. *douzet@wanadoo.fr * *www.geopolitique.net* ------- Mme Frederick Douzet Maitre de conferences Institut Francais de Geopolitique, Universite Paris 8 Membre de l'Institut Universitaire de France 2, rue de la liberte 93200 Saint-Denis, FRANCE 01 49 40 73 00/ 06 87 14 44 61 douzet@wanadoo.fr -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090104/42d385dc/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 08:29:20 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: UBUWEB :: Featured Resources for the Year, 2008 (+Jan '09) In-Reply-To: <546716.98289.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <546716.98289.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901040529n75f5c40eo516b56b5e40ddbe6@mail.gmail.com> The Great Roi Ubu, is undoubtedly unsurpassed! Here is a new update, all to be enjoyed, blessed time given. Have a great day, Anny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: UbuWeb Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM Subject: UBUWEB :: Featured Resources for the Year, 2008 (+Jan '09) To: POETICS@listserv.buffalo.edu __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com ------------------------------------------------------------ UBUWEB :: Featured Resources for the Year, 2008 (+ Jan '09) ------------------------------------------------------------ January 2009 Selected by James Hoff 1. Sjollander/Weck: Extracts from Monument http://ubu.com/film/sjolander_monument.html 2. Ron Rice: A Brief History of Anti-Records and Conceptual Records http://ubu.com/papers/rice.html 3. Alan Sondheim: Run by Me http://www.ubu.com/contemp/sondheim/index.html 4. Ulay: Action in 14 Predetermined Sequences http://ubu.com/film/ulay_action.html 5. Joseph Nechvatal: viral symphOny (28'09") http://ubu.com/sound/nechvatal.html 6. Henry Chopin Performance: Undated http://ubu.com/film/chopin.html 7. CoLab: All Color News Sampler http://ubu.com/film/colab_news.html 8. Wim Mertens / John Cage "So that each person is in charge of himself." http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/chicago_82/Chicago_82-B2_Cage-Mertens_So-that-each.mp3 from A Dip in the Lake http://www.ubu.com/sound/chicago82.html 9. Dec-Francis: Rant 2 http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dec_francis/Dec-Francis-E_rant2.mp3 10. Charlemagne Palestine: Island Song http://www.ubu.com/film/palestine.html James Hoff is an artist living in New York City. He, along with Miriam Katzeff, is the co-founder of http://www.primaryinformation.org/PrimaryInformation. html December 2008 Selected by Julian Cowley 1. Robert Ashley - Music with Roots in the Aether http://ubu.com/film/aether.html 2. Joe Jones/ Chicken to Kitchen - Fluxus Meditation http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/jones_joe/chicken/Jones-Joe+Chicken-to-Kitchen_02-Fluxus-Meditation.mp3 from Fluxsaints (1992) http://ubu.com/sound/jones.html 3. Robert Wilson - Christopher Knowles - The Sundance Kid Is Beautiful (1975) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dial_a_poem_poets/big_ego/Big_Ego_05-wilson.mp3 from Giorno Poetry Systems, Big Ego http://ubu.com/sound/big_ego.html 4. Wolf Vostell - De/Collage [LP] (1980) http://www.ubu.com/sound/vostell.html 5. John Cage and Raahsan Roland Kirk - Sound?? (1966) http://www.ubu.com/film/kirk.html 6. Nicholas Moore, Spleen (Ubu Editions, 2004) http://ubu.com/ubu/moore_spleen.html 7. Pina Bausch Documentary (directed by Anne Linsel) (2006) http://www.ubu.com/film/bausch_linsel.html 8. David Behrman, Long Throw (Roulette, 2008) http://www.ubu.com/film/roulette_behrman.html 9. Derek Bailey, Interview by Henry Kaiser (1987) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/bailey_derek/Derek-Bailey-Interview-by-Henry-Kaiser_KPFA_2-7-87.mp3 10. Vito Acconci, The Bristol Project (2001) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/acconci_vito/Acconci-Vito_The-Bristol-Project_2001.mp3 Julian Cowley contributes regularly to The Wire and occasionally to other music magazines. He has also lectured and written extensively on literature. During the 1980s he had the good fortune to work closely for several years with poet and critic Eric Mottram, whose inexhaustible conversation was, in effect, a foretaste of the UbuWeb experience. November 2008 Selected by Neville Wakefield 1. Willoughby Sharp Interviews Vito Acconci (1973) http://www.ubuweb.com/film/acconci_sharp.html 2. Bas Jan Ader - Selected Works (1970-71) http://www.ubu.com/film/ader_selected.html 3. Pipilotti Rist - Video Works (1986-2003) http://www.ubu.com/film/rist.html 4. Chris Burden - Documentation of Selected Works 1971-74 http://www.ubu.com/film/burden.html 5. ohan Grimonprez - Dial H-I-S-T-O-R-Y (1997) http://www.ubu.com/film/grimonprez_dial.html J 6. The Films of Jack Goldstein (1974-1978) http://www.ubu.com/film/goldstein.html 7. Gordon Matta-Clark - Splitting, Bingo/Ninths, Substrait (Underground Dailies) (1974-1976) http://www.ubu.com/film/gmc_splitting.html 8. Lawrence Weiner - WATER IN MILK EXISTS (2008) http://www.ubu.com/film/weiner_water.html 9. Psychic TV - "Unclean" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dial_a_poem_poets/demon/Demon_04_psychic.mp3 10. Robert Smithson - Bootleg of Hotel Palenque by Alex Hubbard (1969 / 2004) http://www.ubu.com/film/smithson_hotel.html Neville Wakefield is a writer and curator living in NYC. Recent film projects include 'http://www.destricted.com/destricted ' a compilation of commissioned films by Marina Abramovic, Matthew Barney, Marco Brambilla, Larry Clark, Gaspar Noe, Richard Prince and Sam Taylor Wood. Senior curatorial advisor to PS1 and curator of Frieze. He is also creative director of 'tar' magazine .html October 2008 Selected by Gary Sullivan 1. Jaap Blonk's sound files http://www.ubu.com/sound/blonk.html J 2. Dada Magazine http://www.ubu.com/historical/dada/index.html 3. Drew Gardner's sound files http://www.ubu.com/sound/gardner.html 4. Kenneth Goldsmith, editor, "Publishing the Unpublishable" series http://ubuweb.com/ubu/unpub.html 5. George Kuchar's films (especially "Corruption of the Damned") http://www.ubu.com/film/kuchar.html 6. Anders Lundgerg, Jonas Magnusson and Jesper Olsson, editors, "After Language Poetry" papers http://www.ubu.com/papers/oei/index.html 7. Paper Rad's "P-Unit Mixtape" http://ubuweb.com/film/paperrad_p.html 8. Bern Porter's page http://www.ubu.com/historical/porter/index.html 9. erome Rothenberg's Ethnopoetics : Soundings page (especially "Ca Dao, Vietnamese Folk Poems") http://www.ubu.com/ethno/soundings/vietnam.html J 10. Survival Research Laboratories, "Virtues of Negative Fascination" http://ubuweb.com/film/srl_virtues.html Poet and cartoonist Gary Sullivan lives in Brooklyn with http://ululate.blogspot.com/Nada Gordon . Together, they wrote the book Swoon . Gary's most recent book is PPL in a Depot . He has published three issues of a comic book, Elsewhere, and maintains a blog by the same name. September 2008 Selected by Rick Moody 1. Komar and Melamid and Dave Soldier, "The Most Unwanted Song" ? http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3 2. Jacques Derrida, "On Religion" Part 1 http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/derrida_jacques/Derrida-Jacques_On-Religion_Part-1.mp3 Part 2 http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/derrida_jacques/Derrida-Jacques_On-Religion_Part-2.mp3 3. Assorted Street Posters http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/ass.html 4. William Carlos Williams, "Danse Russe." http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Williams-WC/05_Emerson-Recording_08-50/Williams-WC_12_Widows-Lament_prod-Emerson_08-50.mp3 5. Beth B., "Stigmata" http://www.ubu.com/film/b.html 6. James Joyce, "Anna Livia Plurabelle" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/joyce_james/Joyce-James_Anna-Livia-Plurabelle.mp3 7. Tellus #14, "Just Intonation" http://www.ubu.com/sound/tellus_14.html 8. Hugo Ball, "Karawane," performed by Marie Osmond http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/ball_hugo/Marie-Osmond_Hugo-Ball_Karawane.mp3 9. Gregory Whitehead, "We All Scream Alone" http://mediamogul.seas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Whitehead/Gregory_Whitehead-We_All_Scream_Alone_1992.mp3 10. John Cage Meets Sun Ra http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_kirk.html Rick Moody is the author of four novels, three collections of stories, and a memoir, THE BLACK VEIL. He also plays music with The Wingdale Community Singers August 2008 Selected by Ben Rubin 1. Erik Saite - A Day in the Life of a Musician http://www.ubu.com/papers/satie_day.html 2. Richard Leacock - For an Uncontrolled Cinema http://www.ubuweb.com/papers/leacock_richard-uncontrolled_cinema.html 3. William S. Burroughs - The Cut-Up Method of Brion Gysin http://www.ubu.com/papers/burroughs_gysin.html 4. Claude Cloksy - The first thousand numbers classified in alphabetical order http://www.ubu.com/concept/closky_1000.html 5. Robert Smithson - A Heap of Language http://www.ubu.com/concept/smithson_heap.html 6. Vito Acconci - RE http://www.ubu.com/concept/acconci_re.html 7. Marshall McLuhan - The Medium is the Massage, Side A http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/mcluhan_marshall/Mcluhan-Marshall_The-Medium-Is-The-Massage_01.mp3 Side B http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/mcluhan_marshall/Mcluhan-Marshall_The-Medium-Is-The-Massage_02.mp3 8. Raphael Rubinstein - A Brief History of Appropriative Writing http://www.ubu.com/papers/rubinstein.html 9. Marjorie Perloff - The Music of Verbal Space http://www.ubu.com/papers/perloff02.html 10. Steve Reich - Pendulum Music (score) http://www.ubu.com/aspen/aspen8/leadPendulum.html #reich Ben Rubin is a media artist based in New York City. He has been a frequent collaborator with artists and performers including Laurie Anderson, Diller+Scofidio, Ann Hamilton, Arto Lindsay, Steve Reich, and Beryl Korot. July 2008 Selected by Zach Feuer 1. Paul McCarthy - Painter (1995) http://ubu.com/film/mccarthy_painter.html 2. Pipilotti Rist - Video Works (1986-1999) http://ubu.com/film/rist.html 3. Richard Kern - My Nightmare (1993) http://ubu.com/film/kern_nightmare.html 4. Bas Jan Ader - Fall I and II (1970) http://ubu.com/film/ader_selected.html 5. Lynda Benglis - Female Sensibility (1974) http://ubu.com/film/benglis_female.html 6. Sophie Calle and Greg Shepard - No Sex Last Night aka Double-Blind (1992) http://www.ubu.com/film/calle_double.html 7. Kembra Pfahler - Cornella; The Story of a Burning Bush (1985) http://www.ubu.com/film/pfhaler.html 8. Robert Morris and Stan VanDerBeek - Site (excerpt) (1964, .mov) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/aspen/qt/morris.mov 9. Carolee Schneeman - Meat Joy (1964) http://www.ubu.com/film/schneeman_meatjoy.html 10. Dan Graham - Rock My Religion (1982-84) http://www.ubu.com/film/graham_rock.html Zach Feuer owns the creatively named Zach Feuer Gallery in New York City.html June 2008 Selected by Ron Silliman 1.Frank Film (1973), Frank and Caroline Mouris http://ubu.com/film/mouris.html 2. The Name (1973), Robert Creeley http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dial_a_poem_poets/disconnected/Disconnected_11_creeley.mp3 3. Recollections of Grande Apachera (1973), Edward Dorn http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dial_a_poem_poets/disconnected/Disconnected_28_dorn.mp3 4. Reading at Goddard College (1973), Robert Creeley http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Creeley/Goddard/Creeley-Robert_Full_Goddard_VT_5-18-73.mp3 5. Carnival The First Panel: 1967-1970 (1973), Steve McCaffery http://www.ubu.com/papers/mc_carn1.html 6. Black Tarantula Crossword Gathas (excerpt) (1973), Jackson Mac Low http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Mac-Low/CDs/Doings/Mac-Low-Jackson_08_Black-Tarantula_Doings_1982.mp3 7. A Vocabulary for Sharon Belle Matlin (1973), Jackson Mac Low http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Mac-Low/CDs/Doings/Mac-Low-Jackson_09_Vocabulary-for-Mattlin_Doings_1982.mp3 8. Heavy Aspirations (1973), Charles Amirkhanian http://ubu.com/sound/files/10+2_02.Charles_Amirkhanian.mp3 9. Armand Schwerner (1973), Phil Niblock (real video .rm file) http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/video/Schwerner/Schwerner-Armand-by-Phill-Niblock_c-1973.rm 10. High Kukus (1973), James Broughton http://greylodge.org/gpc/film/broughton_kuku.html Ron Silliman was once a slow left-handed second baseman. Now he lives in a faux forest in what was once the Biddle Estate May 2008 Selected by Christian Bok 1. Claude Closky: "The First Thousand Numbers Classified in Alphabetical Order" (1989) [PDF] http://www.ubu.com/concept/Claude_Closky_1000.pdf 2. Derek Beaulieu: "Flatland" (2007) [PDF] http://writing.upenn.edu/pepc/authors/beaulieu/Beaulieu-Derek_Flatland.pdf 3. Darren Wershler-Henry: "The Tapeworm Foundry" (2002) http://www.ubu.com/ubu/wershler_tapeworm.html 4. Claude Simon: "Properties of Several Geometric and Non-Geometric Figures" (1971) http://www.ubu.com/ubu/simon_properties.html 5. F. T. Marinetti: "Dune, Parole in Liberte" (1914) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/bruhin_anton/rotomotor/Bruhin-Anton_Rotomotor_05_Rotomotor.mp3 6. Survival Research Laboratories: "Virtues of Negative Fascination" (1985-86) http://www.ubu.com/film/srl_virtues.html 7. Seth Price: "Video Game Soundtracks 1983-1987 (2001) http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Price/Vidz/Price-Seth_Vid-Trax_CONTINUOUS_MIX_2001.mp3 8. Trek Bloopers http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/2007/199.shtml 9. Anton Bruhin: "Rotomotor" (1976-77) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/bruhin_anton/rotomotor/Bruhin-Anton_Rotomotor_05_Rotomotor.mp3 10. RACTER: "The Policeman's Beard Is Half-Constructed" (1984) http://www.ubu.com/historical/racter/index.html BONUS TRACK: "Music from Mathematics" (1962) http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/2003/260.shtml IBM 7090 Christian Bok is the author of Eunoia. April 2008 Selected by Laura Beiles 1. nita Feldman and Michael Kowalski, Riffle (1985) http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/tellus_12/Tellus-12_07_Anita-Feldman-and-Michael-Kowalski-Riffle.mp3A 2. MoMA: Writing in Time (2007) http://www.ubu.com/sound/moma.html 3. Piotr Kamler, Films (1960s-90s) http://www.ubu.com/film/kamler.html 4. Fortunato Depero, Verbalizzazione astratta di signora (1916) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/depero_fortunato/Depero-Fortunato_Verbal.mp3 5. Penelope Umbrico, All the Dishes on Ebay (2002-03) http://www.ubu.com/contemp/umbrico/arrhythmia-allthedishesonebay/index.html 6. Catherine Jauniaux and Ikue Mori, 'Smell' (1992) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/tellus_26/Tellus-26_05-Smell.mp3 7. Abbie Hoffman Makes Gefilte Fish (1973) http://www.ubu.com/film/hoffman.html 8. Mary Lou Green on Andy Warhol's Hair (1963) http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/warhol_andy/cronenberg/13_Cronenberg_Haircut.mp3 9. Sophie Calle and Gregory Shephard, Double Blind (1992) http://www.ubu.com/film/calle_double.html 10. Cioni Carpi, Three Short Films (1960-62) http://www.ubu.com/film/carpi_three_short.html Laura Beiles is an associate educator in the Department of Education Adult and Academic Programs at The Museum of Modern Art, where she has organized programs with artists, poets, scholars, architects, and designers for seven years. In May of 2007, she received her MA in Art History from Hunter College, and received the Shuster Award for her thesis, "Creating National and International Identities: The Futurist Exhibitions at the Venice Biennale under Fascism, 1928-1942'. Prior to coming to MoMA, she worked at NYU's La Pietra in Florence and the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice. March 2008 Selected by Seth Price 1. Tessa Hughes-Freeland "Baby Doll" (1982) http://ubu.com/film/freeland.html 2. Marie Menken "Glimpse of the Garden" (1957) http://www.ubu.com/film/menken.html 3. Robert Barry "Interview (1969)" http://www.ubu.com/papers/barry_interview.html 4. Ethyl Eichelberger "Jocasta (Boy Crazy) or "She Married Her Son" (1986) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/uproar/The-Uproar-Tapes_05_Ethyl-Eichelberger.mp3 5. Lytle Shaw "Low-Level Bureaucratic Structures: Principles of the Emeryville Shellmound http://www.ubu.com/ubu/shaw_low.html 6. Taj Mahal Travellers "Taj Mahal Travellers on Tour" (1973) http://www.ubu.com/film/taj.html 7. Asger Jorn "Pataphysics: A Religion in the Making" http://www.ubu.com/papers/jorn_pataphysics.html 8. Racter "The Policeman's Beard Is Half-Constructed" (1984) http://www.ubu.com/historical/racter/index.html 9. Tristan Tzara "A Note on Negro Poetry" (1918) http://www.ubu.com/ethno/discourses/tzara.html 10. I.B.M. 7090 "Music From Mathematics" (1962) http://www.wfmu.org/365/2003/260.shtml Seth Price is an artist. March 2008 Selected by Stephanie Stricklandhtml 1. Maya Deren, "Divine Horsemen" http://www.ubu.com/film/deren.html 2. "Concrete!" Ruth and Marvin Sackner Archive http://www.ubu.com/film/sackner_concrete.html 3. Jason Nelson, "Poetry Cube" http://www.ubu.com/contemp/nelson/index.html 4. b. p. Nichol, "White Text Sure" http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/bpNichol/Ear-Rational-1982/bpNichol_12_White-Txt-Sure_1978.mp3 5. Yoko Ono, "Snow Is Falling All the Time" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/aspen/mp3/ono2.mp3 6. Dick Higgins, "Horizons" [PDF] http://ubu.com/ubu/higgins_horizons.html 7. Ketjak: the Ramayana Monkey Chant http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/ethno/ketjack/mp3/Ketjak-the-Ramayana-Monkey-Chant.mp3 8. Concrete Poetry: A World View" Mary Ellen Solt http://www.ubu.com/papers/solt/index.html " 9. Raphael Rubinstein, "Gathered, not Made: A Brief History of Appropriative Writing" http://www.ubu.com/papers/rubinstein.html 10. Kenneth Goldsmith and Conceptual Poetics http://www.ubu.com/papers/kg_ol.html Bonus 11. Glossolalia: Speaking in Tongues http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/ethno/gloss/mp3/Unknown-Artist_Glossolalia.mp3 12. Caroline Bergvall, "About Face" http://mediamogul.seas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Bergvall/Bergvall-Caroline-About-Face-2004.mp3 Stephanie Strickland is a poet. Her latest collaborative hypermedia work is first shown at e-Poetry 2007 in Paris and published in `hyperrhiz: new media cultures . Her latest book, Zone : Zero (with digital poetry CD) will appear from Ahsahta Press in fall 2008. She recently published "Quantum Poetics: Six Thoughts, in Media Poetry: An International Anthology," edited by Eduardo Kac, co-edited The Iowa Review Web issue, Coding: Jason Nelson, Donna Leishman, and Electronic Writing , and also co-edited the first Electronic Literature Collection, published by the Electronic Literature Organization February 2008 Selected by Alan Licht 1. Derek Bailey Interview by Henry Kaiser http://ubu.com/sound/bailey.html 2. Richard Foreman MP3 loops from Now That Communism Is Dead My Life Feels Empty http://ubu.com/sound/foreman.html 3. Bruce Nauman "Record" http://ubu.com/sound/nauman.html 4. bpNichol ? all sound works http://ubu.com/sound/nichol.html 5. Cornelius Cardew "Stockhausen Serves Imperialism" http://ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html 6. Philip Guston/Clark Coolidge "Poor Richard" http://ubu.com/historical/guston/guston_nixon.html 7. Lou Reed "the View from the Bandstand" http://www.ubu.com/aspen/aspen3/bandstand.html 8. Jack Smith "Buzzards Over Baghdad" http://www.ubu.com/aspen/aspen3/flipbook.html 9. Richard Meltzer "Barbara Mauritz: Music Box" http://ubu.com/concept/meltzer_music.html 10. Adrian Piper "Untitled 1968" http://ubu.com/concept/piper_68.html Over the past two decades, guitarist Alan Licht has worked with a veritable who's who of the experimental world. He has released five albums of compositions for tape and solo guitar, and his sound and video installations have been exhibited in the U.S. and Europe. His new book Sound Art: Beyond Music, Between Media , the first extensive survey of the genre in English, was published by Rizzoli in fall 2007. February 2008 Selected by Bettina Funckehtml 1. Harun Farocki, Inextinguishable Fire (1969) and How to Live in the German Federal Republic (1986)- Note! Films Removed by copyright holder's request 2. UbuWeb Hall of Shame 3. Robert Frank, Energy and How to Get It (1981) http://ubu.com/film/frank.html 4. J. G. Ballard, Shanghai Jim (1991) http://ubu.com/film/ballard.html 5. Pandit Pran Nath Ragas of Morning and Night (1968) http://ubu.com/sound/nath.html 6. Hrabanus Marus De adoratione crucis ab opifice / De Laudibus Sanctae Crucis Augsburg (ca. 845) http://www.ubu.com/historical/early/early01.html 7. Jacques Lacan, Television (1973) http://ubu.com/film/lacan.html 8. Joan Jonas "The Anchor Stone" (1988) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/artist_tellus/Tellus-21-Artists_15_jonas.mp3 9. Inuit Throat Singing, from Ethnopoetics http://ubu.com/ethno/soundings/inuit.html 10. Assorted Street Posters (1985-present) http://ubu.com/outsiders/ass.html from Outsiders http://ubu.com/outsiders/index.html Bettina Funcke is the Senior U.S. Editor of Parkett Magazine January 2008 Selected by Alex Ross 1. Robert Ashley "She Was a Visitor" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/extended_voices/Extended-Voices_4_Robert-Ashley.mp3 ? 2. Kurt Schwitters "Sonata in Urlauten" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/schwitters_kurt/ursonate/Schwitters-Kurt_Ursonate_01_Einleitung_Und_Erster_Teil.mp3 3. John Cale "Loop" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/aspen/mp3/loop.mp3 4. The Films of Mauricio Kagel http://www.ubu.com/film/kagel.html 5. hCharles Amirkhanian "Dog of Stravinsky" ttp:// ubu.artmob.ca/sound/amirkhanian_charles/mental_radio/Amirkhanian_Charles-Mental_Radio-03_Dog.mp3 6. Bernd Alois Zimmermann "Musique pour le soupers de Roi Ubu" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/zimmerman_ba/Zimmermann-Bernd-Alois_Roi-Ubu.mp3 7. Pauline Oliveros "Sound Patterns" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/extended_voices/Extended-Voices_1_Pauline-Oliveros.mp3 8. Ezra Pound "Sestina: Altaforte" http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1939/Pound-Ezra_01_Sestina-Altaforte_Harvard_1939.mp3 9. John Cage "4'33" http://ubu.com/film/cage_433.html 10. Robert Ashley "The Wolfman" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/source/Ashley-Robert_Wolfman.mp3 Alex Ross has been the music critic of The New Yorker since 1996. His work has also appeared in The New Republic, The London Review of Books, Lingua Franca, and The Guardian. From 1992 to 1996 he was a critic at The New York Times. He has received two ASCAP-Deems Taylor Awards for music criticism, fellowships from the American Academy in Berlin and the Banff Centre, and a Letter of Distinction from the American Music Center for contributions to the field of contemporary music. He played keyboards in the noise band Miss Teen Schnauzer, which gave only one public performance, in 1991. His first book, The Rest Is Noise: Listening to the Twentieth Century ," a cultural history of music since 1900, was published in October 2007 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. ------------------------------------------------------------ UBUWEB :: Featured Resources for the Year, 2008 (+ Jan '09) ------------------------------------------------------------ UBUWEB IS ENTIRELY FREE __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com Apologies for cross-postings. Please forward. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He apparently has a collection of essays out recently or soon, I'm not sure which -- and if his art criticism is anywhere near as good as his public appearances, I very highly recommend it! He was also an interesting interlocutor: having been impressed with a *very* impromptu performance of a dada-period sound poem I gave at the same conference, we ended up chatting for a while, and I went to a later show of his in New York. I think he has a website somewhere; I may have put it on my blog's link page. Amicalement, Alex From ralph at walleahpress.com.au Sun Jan 4 15:02:03 2009 From: ralph at walleahpress.com.au (ralph@walleahpress.com.au) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: chapbooks Message-ID: <61600.124.179.247.105.1231099323.squirrel@www.walleahpress.com.au> >Carolyn Fisher's manuscript,* The Unsuspecting Sky*, >was the winner and was published in October 2008. >It was Carolyn's first chapbook and has been well >received -especially in her home state of Tasmania. Further to that, from Tim Thorne's launch of the collection (http://www.walleahpress.com.au/FR38Thorne.html): Carolyn?s strengths include a remarkable eye for telling detail, an ability to cast that detail into crystalline imagery, and an overarching compassion which not only informs the work but fixes it in the heart of the reader. To take just one example, in first stanza of the poem ?Pademelon? we are shown ?the sunrise / of her underbelly?, a well-observed and delightfully captured detail, but the poem immediately goes on, ? slowly setting / by the side of the road?, building the original metaphor into a conceit, but maintaining the tone while deepening the emotional content and advancing the narrative. All this in about a dozen words. But that?s not all. The poem has started, a couple of lines earlier, with ?the full stop?. This is in itself an arresting opening. After all, we are used to poems ending with a full stop, not beginning with one. That this is more than just a clever device, however, is clear when we realise that the poem has started with the ending of a life. The ?full stop? is more than a conceptual metaphor, however; it is also, from the perspective of the driver/ poet, a visual one: one tiny corpse in the whole scheme of life, roadways, traffic, busy-ness. That it is followed, ?a couple of hops / further on? by the ?tiny comma? of the joey, is not only felicitous as reinforcing and unifying imagery, but it marks the significant shift in the dynamic of the poem, out from observation to engagement. So, having started with a full stop, the poem restarts, as it were, with a comma. Ralph From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 11:36:10 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:00 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Postwar Queer Underground Cinema, 1950-1968 Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901050836k3a65a669wccbd9b2c6740cc2e@mail.gmail.com> From: Juan A. Su?rez [mailto:jsuarez@um.es ] >Sent: donderdag 25 december 2008 21:55 Conference: Postwar Queer Underground Cinema, 1950-1968 Yale University Thursday & Friday, February 19-20, 2009 Organized by the Yale Research Initiative on the History of Sexualities (YRIHS) with support from the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library and the Whitney Humanities Center, and additional support from the Department of the History of Art, the Department of Theater Studies, and the Film Studies Program. Information at: http://www.yale.edu/yrihs/quconf.html Juan A. Su?rez University of Murcia 30071 Murcia Spain -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090105/61c47f68/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 12:06:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Election Anthology Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901060906i3d3aeb02m79f2a013fdfea9ab@mail.gmail.com> Obododimma Oha and Anny Ballardini are pleased to announce the new Anthology on the Poets' Corner: *While the He/art Pants: Poetic Responses to the 2008 American Elections*. We wish to thank all the contributors who have made it possible, and invite you to read and spread the good news. *?* While the He/art Pants:(Poetic Responses to the 2008 American Elections) *?* Editorial: Obododimma Oha *?* Editorial: Anny Ballardini *?* Edward Mycue *?* Jared Schickling *?* Bill Morgan *?* John M. Bennett *?* Conrad Reeder *?* Tom McBride *?* Gerald Schwartz *?* Farideh Hassanzadeh-Mostafavi *?* Russ Golata *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Gina Sangster Hayman *?* Matt Johnson *?* Susan Bright *?* Daniel Zimmerman *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Henry Gould *?* Carol Novack *?* Joseph Duemer *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Spencer Selby *?* Eugen Galasso *?* Grace Cavalieri *?* Amy King *? * Halvard Johnson *?* Raymond Bianchi *?* Lars Palm * ?* George Spencer *?* Bob Grumman *?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Br. Tom Murphy *?* Annetta L. Gomez-Jefferson *?* Uzor Maxim Uzoatu *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *?* David Howard *?* Obiwu *?* Afam Akeh *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Charles Martin *?* Luc Fierens *?* Eileen Tabios *?* Donna Pecore *?* Francesco Levato *?* Tony Trigilio *?* Terri Moore *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Vincent Francone *?* David-Baptiste Chirot *?* Julene Tripp Weaver *? * Daniela Gioseffi *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Judith Laura *?* While the He/art Pants:(Poetic Responses to the 2008 American Elections) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2664 *?* Editorial: Obododimma Oha http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2665 *?* Editorial: Anny Ballardini http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2666 *?* Edward Mycue http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2671 *?* Jared Schickling http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2672 *?* Bill Morgan http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2673 *?* John M. 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Tom Murphy http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2704 *?* Annetta L. 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For much of that time, as his poems gained international acclaim, the outspoken communist languished behind bars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/8122b95a/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 09:38:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg Message-ID: <8CB3EECC2CAD3BD-1030-1E7@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.findingdulcinea.com/features/profiles/s/carl-sandburg.html Happy Birthday, Carl Sandburg, American Poet January 06, 2009 by Lindsey Chapman Carl Sandburg was known primarily as a ?poet of the people.? But as an artist it is hard to confine him to poetry alone. He dabbled in newspaper reporting, wrote biographies and fiction, and even played music. His practical approach to writing yielde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/a7e2fc91/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 09:42:29 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danish poet Inger Christensen has died at the age of 73 Message-ID: <8CB3EED4D0E390B-1030-241@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/248956,danish-poet-inger-christensen-dies-at-age-73.html Copenhagen - Danish poet Inger Christensen, often mentioned as a possible Nobel Literature Prize winner, has died at the age of 73, her Danish publisher said Monday. Christensen died Friday, publisher Gyldendal said. In 1964 she started to write full-time following the publication of the poetry collections Light (1962) and Grass, the following year. Works that stand out in her production include the large collection of poems called It (Det) from 1969, where she explored both social and political issues as well as contrasting love and hate. The rules of language and mathematics as well as musical composition also inspired her. "Numerical ratios exist in nature: the way a leek wraps around itself from the inside," she said of Alphabet from 1981 where she used the alphabet and the Fibonacci mathematical sequence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/356a1ce6/attachment.html From lattaj at umich.edu Wed Jan 7 11:50:48 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent praise for the feneon collective (fwd) Message-ID: Recent devilry by a group calling itself the feneon collective. Both funny and perfectly apt, the way good satire is. >>>> Newly at http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/ Comments by poets and scholars Philip Metres, Luc Sante, Jerome Rothenberg, Don Share, Joshua Clover, Tom Raworth, and John Latta. More to come. thank you for reading, --the feneon collective <<<< From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 13:49:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <8CB3EECC2CAD3BD-1030-1E7@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB3EECC2CAD3BD-1030-1E7@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB3F0FC610A5D4-B90-4BD@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> Arms ??(For Wallace Stevens) Renoir goes on painting. A man from south France tells me it is so. One picture a day, good or bad, the man goes on. And a little work every day on one big picture for God ????? and children and remembered women. So Renoir, his right arm no good anymore And the left arm half gone, So Renoir goes on. And when you come again We will go to the Edelweiss for jazz Or to Hester?s dirty place on the river Or to some Chinese dump where they bring what you want ????? and no questions asked, And I will ask you why Renoir does it And I believe you will tell me. ?Carl Sandburg, Billy Sunday and Other Poems, (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1993) -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:38 am Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg http://www.findingdulcinea.com/features/profiles/s/carl-sandburg.html Happy Birthday, Carl Sandburg, American Poet January 06, 2009 by Lindsey Chapman Carl Sandburg was known primarily as a ?poet of the people.? But as an artist it is hard to confine him to poetry alone. He dabbled in newspaper reporting, wrote biographies and fiction, and even played music. His practical approach to writing yielde Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/11b58e7e/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Wed Jan 7 14:10:19 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <8CB3F0FC610A5D4-B90-4BD@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <67591FBC1E004F5A8DA85FB5DA1739E5@win.louisiana.edu> I had a grad student last semester who loved Langston Hughes but hated Sandburg. Hmmm. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:49 PM To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg Arms (For Wallace Stevens) Renoir goes on painting. A man from south France tells me it is so. One picture a day, good or bad, the man goes on. And a little work every day on one big picture for God and children and remembered women. So Renoir, his right arm no good anymore And the left arm half gone, So Renoir goes on. And when you come again We will go to the Edelweiss for jazz Or to Hester's dirty place on the river Or to some Chinese dump where they bring what you want and no questions asked, And I will ask you why Renoir does it And I believe you will tell me. -Carl Sandburg, Billy Sunday and Other Poems, (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1993) -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:38 am Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg http://www.findingdulcinea.com/features/profiles/s/carl-sandburg.html Happy Birthday, Carl Sandburg, American Poet January 06, 2009 by Lindsey Chapman Carl Sandburg was known primarily as a "poet of the people." But as an artist it is hard to confine him to poetry a lone. He dabbled in newspaper reporting, wrote biographies and fiction, and even played music. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/e9485550/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 16:43:31 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:01 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <67591FBC1E004F5A8DA85FB5DA1739E5@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CB3F281E2EE954-590-7EE@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Skip, I think?this book, Bill Sunday and Other Poems, published posthumously is good place to revisit Sandburg...the 'other Sandburg', so to speak...lots of socio-political stuff,?taking on opportunistic evangelists, etc. Sandburg was keen on being known as a progressive?and not as a 'red'...so there were poems he held back from wider distribution while he was alive.?Like in Jarrell's essay "The Other Frost," Sandburg is often known for the wrong poems, in my opinion, especially if he's been read only in anthologies. Anyone who has kids should introduce them to Sandburg's "The Rootabaga Stories" http://josephperry.net/rootabaga/ Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 2:10 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg I had a grad student last semester who loved Langston Hughes but hated Sandburg. Hmmm. ? -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:49 PM To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg ? Arms ??(For Wallace Stevens) Renoir goes on painting. A man from south France tells me it is so. One picture a day, good or bad, the man goes on. And a little work every day on one big picture for God ????? and children and remembered women. So Renoir, his right arm no good anymore And the left arm half g one, So Renoir goes on. And when you come again We will go to the Edelweiss for jazz Or to Hester?s dirty place on the river Or to some Chinese dump where they bring what you want ????? and no questions asked, And I will ask you why Renoir does it And I believe you will tell me. ? ?Carl Sandburg, Billy Sunday and Other Poems, (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1993) -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:38 am Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg http://www.findingdulcinea.com/features/profiles/s/carl-sandburg.html Happy Birthday, Carl Sandburg, American Poet January 06, 2009 by Lindsey Chapman Carl Sandburg was known primarily as a ?poet of the people.? But as an artist it is hard to confine him to poetry a lone. He dabbled in newspaper reporting, wrote biographies and fiction, and even played music. His practical approach to writing yielde ? Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ? Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/e95caf4b/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Wed Jan 7 17:36:09 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <8CB3F281E2EE954-590-7EE@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I like Sandburg very much. As I like Hughes. But Hughes and other very popular minority writers as well as proletarian writers (I think even Rukeyser) learned much from Sandburg. Even I've learned a bit. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:44 PM To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg Skip, I think this book, Bill Sunday and Other Poems, published posthumously is good place to revisit Sandburg...the 'other Sandburg', so to speak...lots of socio-political stuff, taking on opportunistic evangelists, etc. Sandburg was keen on being known as a progressive and not as a 'red'...so there were poems he held back from wider distribution while he was alive. Like in Jarrell's essay "The Other Frost," Sandburg is often known for the wrong poems, in my opinion, especially if he's been read only in anthologies. Anyone who has kids should introduce them to Sandburg's "The Rootabaga Stories" http://josephperry.net/rootabaga/ Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 2:10 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg I had a grad student last semester who loved Langston Hughes but hated Sandburg. Hmmm. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [ mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:49 PM To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re : [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg Arms (For Wallace Stevens) Renoir goes on painting. A man from south France tells me it is so. One picture a day, good or bad, the man goes on. And a little work every day on one big picture for God and children and remembered women. So Renoir, his right arm no good anymore And the left arm half gone, So Renoir goes on. And when you come again We will go to the Edelweiss for jazz Or to Hester's dirty place on the river Or to some Chinese dump where they bring what you want and no questions asked, And I will ask you why Renoir does it And I believe you will tell me. -Carl Sandburg, Billy Sunday and Other Poems, (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1993) -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:38 am Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg http://www.findingdulcinea.com/features/profiles/s/carl-sandburg.html Happy Birthday, Carl Sandburg, American Poet January 06, 2009 by Lindsey Chapman Carl Sandburg was known primarily as a "poet of the people." But as an artist it is hard to confine him to poetry a lone. He dabbled in newspaper reporting, wrote biographies and fiction, and even played music. His practical approach to writing yielde _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.ca th.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/3a3c7137/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 18:51:56 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetic Works as Metaphor Message-ID: <8CB3F3A0EF0EB92-724-ECD@FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com> http://news.uky.edu/news/display_article.php?category=0&artid=4265&type=1 LEXINGTON, Ky. (Jan. 7, 2009) ? The Art Museum at the University of Kentucky presents a new exhibition of modern art influenced by poetry. "Robert Motherwell and Jasper Johns: Poetic Works as Metaphor" comes to the museum Jan. 11 through March 1. Motherwell, one of the principal exponents of abstract expressionism, and Johns, one of the leaders responsible for the breakthrough from abstract expressionism to the pop art movement which succeeded it, are brought together in this showing of their combined bibliophilic works. The exhibition focuses on collaborative efforts with poets that share the artists' vision. "Robert Motherwell and Jasper Johns: Poetic Works as Metaphor" focuses on two separate and isolated projects involving unusual collaborations between an artist and a poet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/f5636cf9/attachment.html From rewatlingjr at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 19:14:02 2009 From: rewatlingjr at comcast.net (robert e. watling jr) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <67591FBC1E004F5A8DA85FB5DA1739E5@win.louisiana.edu> References: <67591FBC1E004F5A8DA85FB5DA1739E5@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:10:19 -0800, Skip Fox wrote: > I had a grad student last semester who loved Langston Hughes but hated > Sandburg. Hmmm By the way Skip, I recieved your book in the mail and am enjoying it. Thank you very much. I like Sandburg and Hughes. I was brought up on Sandburg by my mother and until I left my home in Ohio after a divorce, still had the volume she read to us from. I came to Hughes later through his The Dream Deferred. Thanks again...rob. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From editor at pavementsaw.org Wed Jan 7 19:15:00 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <200901071700.n07H04Sc003413@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <424846.8988.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If someone has been dead for over 40 years its not belated. Three days ago Pavement Saw Press was 15 years old. That is belated. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 7 20:18:39 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent praise for the feneon collective (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB3F462C2246A1-1F0-13F0@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> John, I'm all for good satire, but this project seem like a recycling of Kent Johnson's Epigramititis http://www.blazevox.org/bk-kj.htm with?the new Feneon packaging. And if?one does "get"?the inside jokes & digs isn't that person?paying too much attention to the machinery (or bowels)?of contemporary poetry? When I get one of the?digs (& many?are beyond?my?ken)?I feel a little sad that I know such things. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: John Latta To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:50 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent praise for the feneon collective (fwd) Recent devilry by a group calling itself the feneon collective. Both funny and perfectly apt, the way good satire is.? ? >>>>? Newly at http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/? ? Comments by poets and scholars Philip Metres, Luc Sante, Jerome Rothenberg,? Don Share, Joshua Clover, Tom Raworth, and John Latta.? ? More to come.? ? thank you for reading,? ? --the feneon collective? <<< Message-ID: <8CB3F48051999F9-1F0-1499@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> Congrats, David. That's a great run.?What is the secret to your?staying power? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Baratier To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 7:15 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg If someone has been dead for over 40 years its not belated. Three days ago Pavement Saw Press was 15 years old. That is belated. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090107/6cff6546/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 8 11:40:29 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] E. Donald Two-Rivers 1945-2008: Ojibwa poet, playwright Message-ID: <8CB3FC6F3A6FFBE-108-7E@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-hed-two-rivers-08-jan08,0,2577987.story E. Donald Two-Rivers 1945-2008: Ojibwa poet, playwright Native American author from Canada founded Chicago theater, was active in community By Trevor Jensen | Tribune reporter January 8, 2009 E. Donald Two-Rivers, an Ojibwa Indian who left Canada at 16 and settled in Chicago's then rough-and-tumble Uptown neighborhood, took up writing while behind bars for robbery. He went on to win a national award for short stories, start a Native American theater group, write plays, a newspaper column and poems that he read in dramatic fashion at poetry slams in Chicago and across the country. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Inger Christiensen has passed away. > > http://www.norddahl.org/english/2009/01/inger-christensen-1935-2009/ > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > -- > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090108/0207f716/attachment.html From lattaj at umich.edu Thu Jan 8 15:21:03 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent praise for the feneon collective (fwd) In-Reply-To: <8CB3F462C2246A1-1F0-13F0@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB3F462C2246A1-1F0-13F0@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: You could be right. That its attractions lie amidst the ruins of a certain dysfunctional "community." Johnson comes to mind, certainly, but I think the Feneon crew's work is somewhat sharper, more point'd, less "slack" than his--or at least than that in the Epigramititis book. John On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > John, > I'm all for good satire, but this project seem like a recycling of Kent Johnson's Epigramititis > http://www.blazevox.org/bk-kj.htm > with?the new Feneon packaging. > And if?one does "get"?the inside jokes & digs isn't that person?paying too much attention to the machinery (or bowels)?of contemporary poetry? > When I get one of the?digs (& many?are beyond?my?ken)?I feel a little sad that I know such things. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Latta > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:50 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent praise for the feneon collective (fwd) > > > Recent devilry by a group calling itself the feneon collective. Both funny and perfectly apt, the way good satire is.? > ? >>>>> ? > Newly at http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/? > ? > Comments by poets and scholars Philip Metres, Luc Sante, Jerome Rothenberg,? > Don Share, Joshua Clover, Tom Raworth, and John Latta.? > ? > More to come.? > ? > thank you for reading,? > ? > --the feneon collective? > <<< _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > > From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:25:09 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inger Christiensen 1935-2009 In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901081210i79561ef4p315cb4849b895772@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0901081200t65fb408euf677179817668bd3@mail.gmail.com> <4b65c2d70901081210i79561ef4p315cb4849b895772@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0901081225l62d4964cwcdc3863955a4b732@mail.gmail.com> Mea culpa, James. I must not be reading my email closely these days. Sad news, nonetheless. I think that *Butterfly Valley* is stunningly gorgeous, innovative formal poetry. Of course, what do I know, living in Wilshburia and all . . . Best, Jeff Newberry On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > James already gave notice a couple of mails below or above... > I did not know her, interesting is the link you forwarded. > > 2009/1/8 Jeff Newberry > >> Sad news. Inger Christiensen has passed away. >> >> http://www.norddahl.org/english/2009/01/inger-christensen-1935-2009/ >> >> Best, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We've published people who eat their spinach broccoli and peas. We've published people who eat none of these. Need a full length book inventory but know over 8000 of our chapbooks have found homes. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 8 17:31:31 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg In-Reply-To: <159059.94292.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <159059.94292.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB3FF7FD055361-13AC-28B@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> David, So by 'We' it's you and how many people? Do you outsource graphic design, typography, fullfilment or is it all homegrown? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Baratier To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu; jforjames@aol.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 4:15 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg > Congrats, David. That's a great run. What is the secret > to your staying power? Our readers who have incredibly refined taste and keen sensibilities. And Publishing (poetry) as variously as possible. We published the first book of Flarf. We published a best selling (for poetry) book of narrative labor poetry. We published two of the most important surrealists of this century. We published the largest serial poem. We published a collaborative book of poetry written in seven languages. We've published people who are short and those that are tall. We've published people who have since died, almost died and lived. We've published people who eat their spinach broccoli and peas. We've published people who eat none of these. Need a full length book inventory but know over 8000 of our chapbooks have found homes. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090108/4c7f1b37/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 08:23:07 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:02 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] CLINTON INSTITUTE SUMMER SCHOOL, UNIVERSITY COLLEGE DUBLIN, 5-11 JULY 2009 Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901090523s57150935s3d803cbf0143ed12@mail.gmail.com> *>Van:* Liam Kennedy [mailto:liam.kennedy@ucd.ie] *>Verzonden:* wo 1/7/2009 1:04 CLINTON INSTITUTE SUMMER SHOOL, UNIVERSITY COLLEGE DUBLIN, 5-11 JULY 2009 The UCD Clinton Institute Summer School will bring together scholars and graduate students from around the world to engage in wide-ranging discussion on interdisciplinary study of the United States. The School is aimed at advanced graduate students and junior faculty in the fields of American Studies, History, Political Sciences and Literary and Cultural Studies. The programme will offer participants the opportunity to work with distinguished figures in these fields and to investigate current developments in study of the United States and its global relations. The School's format will include daily workshop seminars and plenary lectures. Participants work with the School's core faculty in one of four week-long seminars. In 2009 the faculty will include *Sabine Broeck* *(University of Bremen),**Hamilton * *Carroll* *(University of Leeds*), *Jane Desmond* *(University of Illinois),* *Thomas Keenan* (Bard College), *Liam Kennedy* *(University College Dublin)*, *Scott Lucas* *(University of Birmingham*), *Diana Negra* *(University College Dublin*), *Sabine* *Sielke* *(University of Bonn),* *Werner Sollors* *(Harvard University*) and *Robyn Wiegman* *(Duke University).* *A limited number of bursaries are available.* For further details, visit http://www.ucdclinton.ie, or contact Catherine Carey at Catherine.Carey@ucd.ie Professor Liam Kennedy Clinton Institute for American Studies University College Dublin Belfield Dublin 4 Ireland tel 00353 1 716 1561 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1883 - Release Date: 1/8/2009 6:05 PM From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 9 18:18:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Amichai to Darwish: Palestinian and Israeli writers on conflict Message-ID: <8CB40C7AEC699C7-32C-1263@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/jan/09/poetry-gaza Amichai to Darwish: Palestinian and Israeli writers on conflict Beyond the Gaza news headlines, as an Amman-based writer, my response is to give voice to the perspective of Middle-Eastern poets and novelists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090109/a7b70d1a/attachment.html From editor at pavementsaw.org Fri Jan 9 20:49:29 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day In-Reply-To: <8CB3FF7FD055361-13AC-28B@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <929491.17640.qm@web45608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Our largest number so far was from late 1999 to 2003, when "we" was around 8 people regularly working not including cover production, judges, and deputy psaws. We had folding parties and sent out a few thousand letters twice a year and thousands of books, chapbooks and journals. We made rubberstamps suitable for envelopes. We made a graffiti spraypaint template. We had readers in from throughout the US. We had state grants. We had corporate sponsorship. One was a caffinated mint company that gave us boxes full of mint filled tins. We got a lot done that year. Three colleges donated interns, we even had an economic study done by an OSU economist to determine whether we should accept an offer to be distributed by Publishers Group West or (I forget, another large place starts with C). Interiors were all done in house except for the first book, the ninth journal(a special collaboration journal, John M. Bennett did interiors), and one asemic / handwritten by Bob Grenier (with me handwriting all of the page numbers, which I do not recommend). Covers for chapbooks and journals, except for five of them, were done in house. Book covers are often done out of house by Lance King or various others but sometimes I am "the man." I married in 2002, the birth of my daughter in 2004 slowed us down from 7 to 8 titles a year to 4 for the last two years. Our interns and associate editors either went to grad school or prison and in August of 2007 I moved to a remote location far from humanity. The nearest shopping mall is one hour and five minutes away. The second nearest is one hour and ten minutes away. Things are loose now, here we are in the second American depression cooking up a new deal at the Pavement Saw labs, shenanigans are expected. Our website designer is out in San Francisco, a cover artist in Columbus, a few reader helpers elsewhere, mostly me with the signal flags keeping the pavement saw helium filled duck from snaring the branches of the expected poetry parade. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --- On Thu, 1/8/09, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > From: jforjames@aol.com > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg > To: editor@pavementsaw.org, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:31 PM > David, > So by 'We' it's you and how many people? Do you > outsource graphic design, typography, fullfilment or is it > all homegrown? > > Finnegan From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 07:53:29 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day In-Reply-To: <929491.17640.qm@web45608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CB3FF7FD055361-13AC-28B@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> <929491.17640.qm@web45608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901100453p79ab3ac8v640c3a985a04929f@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations. I believe in the Self-Made Man, the One Man. As I believe in the One Wo/Man. On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:49 AM, David Baratier wrote: > Our largest number so far was from late 1999 to 2003, when "we" was around > 8 people regularly working not including cover production, judges, and > deputy psaws. We had folding parties and sent out a few thousand letters > twice a year and thousands of books, chapbooks and journals. We made > rubberstamps suitable for envelopes. We made a graffiti spraypaint template. > We had readers in from throughout the US. We had state grants. We had > corporate sponsorship. One was a caffinated mint company that gave us boxes > full of mint filled tins. We got a lot done that year. > > Three colleges donated interns, we even had an economic study done by an > OSU economist to determine whether we should accept an offer to be > distributed by Publishers Group West or (I forget, another large place > starts with C). Interiors were all done in house except for the first book, > the ninth journal(a special collaboration journal, John M. Bennett did > interiors), and one asemic / handwritten by Bob Grenier (with me handwriting > all of the page numbers, which I do not recommend). Covers for chapbooks and > journals, except for five of them, were done in house. Book covers are often > done out of house by Lance King or various others but sometimes I am "the > man." > > I married in 2002, the birth of my daughter in 2004 slowed us down from 7 > to 8 titles a year to 4 for the last two years. Our interns and associate > editors either went to grad school or prison and in August of 2007 I moved > to a remote location far from humanity. The nearest shopping mall is one > hour and five minutes away. The second nearest is one hour and ten minutes > away. > > Things are loose now, here we are in the second American depression cooking > up a new deal at the Pavement Saw labs, shenanigans are expected. Our > website designer is out in San Francisco, a cover artist in Columbus, a few > reader helpers elsewhere, mostly me with the signal flags keeping the > pavement saw helium filled duck from snaring the branches of the expected > poetry parade. > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > --- On Thu, 1/8/09, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > > > From: jforjames@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day to Carl Sandburg > > To: editor@pavementsaw.org, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:31 PM > > David, > > So by 'We' it's you and how many people? Do you > > outsource graphic design, typography, fullfilment or is it > > all homegrown? > > > > Finnegan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090110/6a142813/attachment.html From editor at pavementsaw.org Sat Jan 10 13:27:25 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: belated Happy B-day In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901100453p79ab3ac8v640c3a985a04929f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <986954.97559.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Congratulations. I believe in the Self-Made Man, the One > Man. As I believe in the One Wo/Man. I am that singularity. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 10 18:03:16 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Suburban Rapture: Phyllis McGinley's poetry Message-ID: _http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/books/review/Bellafante-t.html_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/books/review/Bellafante-t.html) By the time Riesman?s essay appeared, she had been living contentedly for a number of years as a wife, mother and well-known poet in Larchmont, N.Y., writing reverentially of lush lawns and country-club Sundays in The New Yorker, Harper?s and elsewhere. A devotee of convention in nearly every respect, she committed herself to form, which during the high moment of the confessional poets seemed anachronistic enough to count as new-fashioned. McGinley?s light verse sought to convey the ecstatic peace of suburban ritual, the delight in greeting a husband, in appointing a room, in going to the butcher. Anticipation pervades her work, the feeling of something quietly joyful about to happen ? **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090110/30ad9317/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 05:00:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: new issue of Rhizomes In-Reply-To: <175104.16665.qm@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <175104.16665.qm@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901110200m1cfd3085w2e8f0f0501279aab@mail.gmail.com> http://www.rhizomes.net/issue17/index.html rhizomes.17 winter 2008 Open Issue Becoming Sexual of the Sexual Zafer Aracag?k The Compound Gallery of Desire Ryan Johnson Keep Your Virtual Hands Off Me! Paranoia, Affect and Influencing Machines Darren Tofts The Theater and its Derridean Double: Writing Upon Derrida's Theater of Thought Clark Lunberry Sensing New Possibilities for Homo Passional Assemblages Craig Osmond This is Not Not A Game: Ulysses and Hypertext Fiction Patrick Prominski Urban Screen as Virtual Counterpoint Katheryn Wright Reading Like a Sodomite: Deleuze, Donne, Eliot, Presentism, and the Modern Renaissance Will Stockton Do We Know what a Body Can Do? Jean Hiller Rhizomatic Bodies: Thinking through the Virtualities of Control Societies David Ruffolo reviews Adalaide Morris and Thomas Swiss, eds. *New Media Poetics: Contexts, Technotexts and Theories* Louis Armand Alain Badiou, *The Century* Don Callen Vil?m Flusser, *Writings* (Electronic Mediations Series). Ed. Andreas Str?hl Mark Garrett Cooper Alphonso Lingis, *Trust* Vindra Dass Gregory Ulmer, *Electronic Monuments* Sean Morey Joanna Frueh, *Swooning Beauty: A Memoir of Pleasure* Tammy Powley Merri Johnson, ed. *Third Wave Feminism and Television* Karma Chavez -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/da5571ae/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 05:07:43 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A.M.Parker on the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901110207v6caf6615n5dc4f6b4a5ac1fb9@mail.gmail.com> My Son, Under the Waterfall by Alan Michael Parker The weight of what falls surprises, the solidity of the slapping water, its constant and different pressures, the way when you're thirteen everything seems not to have happened, life itself, and yet be dumped upon you, and you can spread wide your arms, wide as the rest of July, and still be filled with feeling while holding nothing, like a movie screen, or the voice of the girl who called on a Friday to ask about the homework. Moss slimes the rocks, cattails rim the pools, and the water rushing to arrive through the cut feels like sunlight on your skin if only sunlight would have mass and volume and pound your head and shoulders, and with your mouth open breathing is like laughing and laughing is like breathing, and the surprise persists, the sense of being between elements and standing up in your swim trunks and sandals as though on land and swimming at once, and your resolve also matters, to keep hold of these feelings, of each single feeling no matter the future, to stay true to what you feel and not to give the next kid a turn, the long line of campers beginning to chant your name, and you pretend not to hear, deafened by the lovely crushing of the water on your head. "My Son, Under the Waterfall" by Alan Michael Parker, from *Elephants and Butterflies*. (c) BOA Editions, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/5c890c5f/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 16:16:46 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plastic Ocean Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901111316m6380389ej6c49e786ff29249a@mail.gmail.com> Plastic Ocean release party and reading on Saturday, January 17 at Bound Together Books, 1369 Haight St. near Masonic, 8 PM. Plastic Ocean is a publication for creative, critical thinkers, published as often as possible, whenever we can. Plastic Ocean is dedicated to exploring our ever changing relationship to Nature and Culture, and resists the notion that either can be understood separate from the other. We recognize all forms of the written word as valid journalism and acknowledge that Art is just another word in the middle of the word Earth. Named from the swirling mass of plastic about 1000 miles off the coast of San Francisco, this premiere issue of the literary tabloid, Plastic Ocean, contains poetic rants & coy non-fiction, as well as short stories and poetry written by homeless, self-published poets as well as established writers, indie historians and back street Marxists, punk rock lyricists, sentimental anarchists and witchy intellectuals This issue features the writers David Meltzer, Gloria Frym, Michael Rothenberg, Terri Carrion, Chris Carlsson, Josh Wilson, David Lincoln, Sara Wallace, Jess Rowland, D.S. Black, J.Lee, Antonette Goroch, Marina Lazzara, Kristen Steele, Chris Stroffolino, Armando Rendon, David Johnson, Sam Sebren, Adriana Camarena, Jennifer Shagawat, Shellhead, Rick Alley, Malaika King Albrecht, Jeff Conant, Swan, Twilight Greenaway, Ellen Catalina, Alan Weinerman, Raven, kenne, and Kalindi Chatterton. Visual artists included are Glen Bachman, Cheyenne Coles, Sam Sebren, Chris Streng, Jim Swanson, Greg Turner and Chris Carlsson. Plastic Ocean was compiled by Marina Lazzara and designed by Chris Carlsson. Copies $3.00. Contact marinapoet@yahoo.com for more information. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/eb7ff61d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 16:18:08 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Litteraria Pragensia Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901111318r5fd471d3s752cb7d4b3d8d43@mail.gmail.com> NEW TITLES from Litteraria Pragensia Books http://litteraria.ff.cuni.cz/books/parker.html Stewart Parker ranks among Ireland's most innovative dramatists and yet as the twentieth anniversary of his death approaches, critical engagement with his work has still much ground to cover. With the exception of The Actress and the Bishop (1976) and Kingdom Come (1977), Stewart Parker's theatre plays have remained in print with Methuen. This is the only material that is currently widely available to scholars, students and readers. However, Parker's work extends well beyond this known core including numerous journalistic writings, literary criticism, radio and television plays. In honour of the twentieth anniversary of Parker's death and as a means of bringing these relatively unknown aspects of his oeuvre to the reading public and international scholarly community, Litteraria Pragensia Books presents a two volume set of primary materials with critical introductions. Both volumes provide unique and long overdue perspectives on Parker's work in an accessible format that will extend critical acknowledgement of Parker's status as one of the most versatile and engaging writers to emerge in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s. STEWART PARKER DRAMATIS PERSONAE & OTHER WRITINGS edited by Gerald Dawe, Maria Johnston & Clare Wallace ISBN 978-80-7308-241-3 (pb) This collection brings together the best of Northern Irish playwright Stewart Parker's literary prose and journalism. What comes across throughout this volume is Parker's anticipation and intelligence of the changing cultural conditions of theatre life and play-making in the closing decades of the twentieth century. Alongside this alert cosmopolitan sensibility, Parker's experience of living in and through Belfast's self-inflicted wounding made him keenly aware of what happens when politics fails to deliver a democratic answer to the contradictory beliefs of ordinary citizens. His innate scepticism about politics is etched herein with feisty and unambivalent vigour. Introduced by Gerald Dawe (TCD). Contents compiled by Gerald Dawe and Maria Johnston will include Dramatis Personae (Parker's John Malone Memorial Lecture); a selection of Parker's articles from The Irish Times, The Belfast News Letter, Honest Ulsterman, Fortnight, The Evening Standard, Canadian Journal of Irish Studies, Irish University Review; and the introductions Parker wrote for Lost Belongings, his 'three plays for Ireland' and Sam Thompson's Over the Bridge. Postscript by Clare Wallace. STEWART PARKER SCREENPLAYS edited by Clare Wallace ISBN 978-80-7308-240-6 (pb) Stewart Parker is one of Northern Ireland's most witty, eloquent and astute playwrights, yet his work for television is little known. This collection, for the first time, gathers the bulk of his television drama offering a unique and exciting opportunity to encounter another dimension to Parker's oeuvre. His productivity and inventiveness in this medium match the work for the stage step by step. The plays in this volume exhibit the range and variety of his drama which comprehends comedy and tragedy, the challenge of political and social themes and the exuberance of pure fantasy. Introduced by Clare Wallace (Charles University). Includes the scripts and production details of six of Parker's television plays: Lost Belongings; Radio Pictures; Blue Money; Iris in the Traffic, Ruby in the Rain; Joyce in June; I'm a Dreamer Montreal. See the complete Litteraria catalogue at www.litterariapragensia.com See also the list of Litteraria titles distributed by Shakespeare and Sons at http://shakes.cz/category/112 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/7e06bd1d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 16:19:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:03 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tony Trigilio Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901111319i54ea679fn65063d8092da43f9@mail.gmail.com> Dear Friends, My new chapbook of poems, WITH THE MEMORY, WHICH IS ENORMOUS, is coming out next month from Main Street Rag Press. The publisher is offering the chapbook at an advance price of $7 (regular price $10) through Feb. 10. To order a copy, go to the Main Street Rag "Coming Soon" page, then scroll to the bottom until you see my listing: http://www.mainstreetrag.com/store/ComingSoon.php On that page, you can just click the "Add to Cart" button and the purchase will be processed by PayPal. More details below. Yours, Tony __________________________________________ "How often I search for books like this one, books that give voice to the human experience as one sees it, not as one wishes to see it. These are honest and serious meditations. At once political and personal, chilling and poignant, they depict the desperation and hope that make up a daily life. Like all great poems, they linger in the mind long after being read." (Nin Andrews) "At this moment of heightened interest in the average working-class American, the poems in Tony Trigilio's WITH THE MEMORY, WHICH IS ENORMOUS seem particularly relevant. The people in these poems are both ordinary and unique, familiar and strange. Unsparing in detail and pitch-perfect in tone, Trigilio's diction is always accurate and surprising as, trudging streets in autumn, he writes: "My feet raved through clusters of leaves." If diction is one measure of originality, imagery is another. In his fine poem, "Arrhythmia,"" he observes: "His breath maneuvers the leaflets of the heart." Still a third sign is the ability to perceive contradictions in our ordinary social relations, as illustrated deftly in "Get There at 10:00 So You Wont' Have to Stay for Lunch" where he notes: "There's nothing to say / but we keep on talking" and "The two of them / holding hands, afraid of each other." This is a writer who's paying attention, and attention is one of the fundamental qualifications for the job of being a poet. Memory is enormous, and Trigilio makes room for us in his, a memory we are glad to enter and make our own." (Kurt Brown) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/4ee000c8/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 11 22:07:51 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] As if poetry didn't have enough of a PR problem Message-ID: <8CB427A16C3B6E0-1578-27F@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> http://www.huntingtonnews.net/columns/090110-kinchen-columnspoetry.html COMMENTARY: Blago May be Impeached, But He Still Loves His Poetry ? By David M. Kinchen Huntingtonnews.net ? As is his habit, at his latest press conference -- the one on Friday, Jan. 9, 2009, when he responded to his impeachment by the Illinois House of Representatives, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich quoted snippets of poetry. ? His latest poetic outcry was from a poet I recognized from my days many decades ago as an English major at Northern Illinois University. He quoted the last line of Alfred, Lord Tennyson's "Ulysses": ? "To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/35c47423/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 11 22:23:29 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] As if poetry didn't have enough of a PR problem In-Reply-To: <8CB427A16C3B6E0-1578-27F@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB427A16C3B6E0-1578-27F@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830901111923h8f6399y68bcf6cd9646642c@mail.gmail.com> At least it's a better poem than Kipling's "If," which he quoted earlier. Here's the Kipling I want read in the House and Senate: Mesopotamia 1917 They shall not return to us, the resolute, the young, The eager and whole-hearted whom we gave: But the men who left them thriftily to die in their own dung, Shall they come with years and honour to the grave? They shall not return to us; the strong men coldly slain In sight of help denied from day to day: But the men who edged their agonies and chid them in their pain, Are they too strong and wise to put away? Our dead shall not return to us while Day and Night divide? Never while the bars of sunset hold. But the idle-minded overlings who quibbled while they died, Shall they thrust for high employments as of old? Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour: When the storm is ended shall we find How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power By the favour and contrivance of their kind? Even while they soothe us, while they promise large amends, Even while they make a show of fear, Do they call upon their debtors, and take counsel with their friends, to conform and re-establish each career? Their lives cannot repay us?their death could not undo? The shame that they have laid upon our race. But the slothfulness that wasted and the arrogance that slew, Shall we leave it unabated in its place? On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > http://www.huntingtonnews.net/columns/090110-kinchen-columnspoetry.html > COMMENTARY: Blago May be Impeached, But He Still Loves His Poetry > > By David M. Kinchen > Huntingtonnews.net > > As is his habit, at his latest press conference -- the one on Friday, Jan. > 9, 2009, when he responded to his impeachment by the Illinois House of > Representatives, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich quoted snippets of poetry. > > His latest poetic outcry was from a poet I recognized from my days many > decades ago as an English major at Northern Illinois University. He quoted > the last line of Alfred, Lord Tennyson's "Ulysses": > > "To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." > > ------------------------------ > Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com toolbar. Get It Now. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090111/5464f709/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 04:16:24 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Europeana_is_back_online_//_Europe?= =?utf-8?q?ana_=C3=A8_di_nuovo_in_funzione?= In-Reply-To: <22b7453f1b29dffe07ca0290d95629ac@dev.europeana.eu> References: <22b7453f1b29dffe07ca0290d95629ac@dev.europeana.eu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901120116w7ddbaa49x246e3a5335034daa@mail.gmail.com> Not stable yet, but at least online... january 2009 [image: Europeana eNews] Europeana ? di nuovo in funzione Grazie per la tua registrazione su europeana.eu. 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The poem with the most votes will be published in the Goodreads? newsletter ? distributed each month to nearly 2 million people! Good luck & please post your best work! Thanks, Amy King ?Poetry! Moderator http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/233._POETRY_ _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090112/30424304/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Jan 12 10:38:38 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lucky Jim Video Message-ID: Does anyone have a line on a copy of the second film version of Lucky Jim? It aired on Masterpiece Theatre in 2002 and 2003. Not very good, as I recall, but I'd like to see it. Not available on dvd. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090112/3d20c97d/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 12 11:45:24 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art Instinct Message-ID: <8CB42EC4D1189B5-1768-C6C@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/bn-review/note.asp?note=20751503 The Art Instinct is an exploration of human taste. The book's provocative thesis is that our propensity for creating music, literature, drama, and the visual arts is the product of Darwinian evolution, and that our taste in art arises not from cultural indicators but from universal, innate preferences. This argument doesn't come from out of nowhere -- Dutton openly builds upon and complements the work of linguist Steven Pinker, for one -- but the book advances it aggressively and persuasively, even if many questions remain. The Art Instinct also undercuts some fundamental premises in disciplines like cultural studies and anthropology. Expect some nasty reviews. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090112/01373e17/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 12:27:37 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series -- January's Stars Message-ID: <572867.42137.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> COMING UP - Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series January 30 @ 7 p.m. - Stain Bar - Williamsburg, Brooklyn *Bill Berkson, Cindy Cruz, Aaron Fagan, Jennifer Fortin, Jean-Paul Pecqueur and Bill Rasmovicz* * Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bozicevic ~~~~ Bill Berkson was born in New York in 1939. A poet, critic, teacher, and sometime curator, he moved to Northern California in 1970 and during the next decade edited a series of little magazines and books under the Big Sky imprint. From 1984 to 2008 he was a professor of Liberal Arts at the San Francisco Art Institute. He is a corresponding editor for Art in America and has contributed reviews and essays to such other journals as Aperture, Artforum, Works on Paper and Modern Painters. His recent books of poetry include Gloria (in a deluxe limited edition with etchings by Alex Katz), Our Friends Will Pass Among You Silently, and Goods and Services. Other books include a collection of his criticism, The Sweet Singer of Modernism & Other Art Writings: 1985-2003; Sudden Address: Selected lectures 1981-2006; an epistolary collaboration with Bernadette Mayer entitled What?s Your Idea of a Good Time?: Interviews & Letters 1977-1985. His Portrait and Dream: New & Selected Poems will appear form Coffee House Press in 2009. Berkson was the 2006 Distinguished Mellon Fellow at the Skowhegan School of Painting and Sculpture and received the 2008 Goldie for Literature from the San Francisco Bay Guardian. He now lives in New York and San Francisco. ~~~ Cynthia Cruz is the author of RUIN, published by Alice James Books in 2006. Her poems have been published or are forthcoming in the American Poetry Review, Paris Review, Boston Review, AGNI, FIELD, and others and are anthologized in ?The Iowa Anthology of New American Poetries.? She has received fellowships to YADDO and the MacDowell Colony. She lives in Greenpoint, Brooklyn and teaches at Sarah Lawrence College. ~~~ Aaron Fagan was born in Rochester, New York, in 1973. His poems have appeared in numerous magazines including The American Poetry Review, TriQuarterly, and The Yale Review. He is the author of Garage (Salt Publishing, 2007), a debut collection which the critic Harold Bloom described as ?vivid and aesthetically disturbing work. His promise is considerable because his originality should prove to be decisive.? A former Assistant Editor for Poetry, he is now a Copy Editor for Scientific American in New York City and lives in the Bronx. ~~~ Jennifer H. Fortin lives in Brooklyn. She works as an Assistant. In May 2008, she obtained an M.F.A. in Poetry from The New School. Her work has appeared in TYPO, GlitterPony, Left Facing Bird, The Goucher Quarterly, AbroadView magazine and Ducts; it is forthcoming in Court Green, Action, Yes and Copper Nickel. She was a Finalist for the Poetry Foundation?s 2008 Ruth Lilly Fellowship and the recipient of an Honorable Mention in the 2008 Poets & Writers-sponsored Amy Awards. Fortin is happy to be able to say she is a Returned Peace Corps Volunteer (Bulgaria 2004-2006). ~~~ Jean-Paul Pecqueur?s first book, The Case Against Happiness, was published by Alice James Books in 2006. New poems have recently appeared in The Hat, Cranky, and Gulf Coast. Jean-Paul currently lives in Brooklyn, teaching writing at the Pratt Institute. ~~~ Bill Rasmovicz has served as a literary excursion leader and workshop co-leader throughout Italy, Croatia, Slovenia, Switzerland and Wales. His work has appeared in Hotel Amerika, Nimrod, Third Coast and other magazines. His first book, ?The World in Place of Itself? was published in 2007 by Alice James Books and was also the 2008 recipient of the New England Poetry Club?s Sheila Margaret Motton Prize. ~~~ stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand Street, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 open daily @ 5 p.m. http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/ Hope to see you there! Amy and Ana _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have it in my mind's eye, the way one crested a rise and rounded a corner on the narrow blacktop, going west, and saw off to the left in the flat green meadow the stream turning briefly back on itself to form a perfect loop--a useless light-filled water noose or fragment of moon's cursive, a sign or message of some kind--but left behind. (c) Anne Pierson Wiese American Life in Poetry is made possible by The Poetry Foundation (www.poetryfoundation.org), publisher of Poetry magazine. It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright (c) 2007 by Anne Pierson Wiese, whose most recent book of poetry is "Floating City," Louisiana State University Press, 2007. Poem reprinted from "Ploughshares," Vol. 33, no. 4, Winter 2007-08 by permission of Anne Pierson Wiese. Introduction copyright (c) 200p by The Poetry Foundation. The introduction's author, Ted Kooser, served as United States Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress from 2004-2006. We do not accept unsolicited manuscripts. ****************************** American Life in Poetry provides newspapers and online publications with a free weekly column featuring contemporary American poems. The sole mission of this project is to promote poetry: American Life in Poetry seeks to create a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. There are no costs for reprinting the columns; we do require that you register your publication here and that the text of the column be reproduced without alteration. To discontinue your subscription to American Life in Poetry, please reply to this e-mail with the subject line 'unsubscribe.' -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090112/d87fa7ee/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 12 12:44:58 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Art Instinct In-Reply-To: <8CB42EC4D1189B5-1768-C6C@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB42EC4D1189B5-1768-C6C@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <496B819A.9070601@nut-n-but.net> jforjames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/bn-review/note.asp?note=20751503 > > The Art Instinct is an exploration of human taste. The book's > provocative thesis is that our propensity for creating music, > literature, drama, and the visual arts is the product of Darwinian > evolution, and that our taste in art arises not from cultural > indicators but from universal, innate preferences. This argument > doesn't come from out of nowhere -- Dutton openly builds upon and > complements the work of linguist Steven Pinker, for one -- but the > book advances it aggressively and persuasively, even if many questions > remain. The Art Instinct also undercuts some fundamental premises in > disciplines like cultural studies and anthropology. Expect some nasty > reviews. I wonder if it will get any intelligent reviews. I also believe in an "art instinct." The book I hope to concentrate on writing this year will deal in part with what it is about the brain our genes give us that makes us like poetry (and everyone instinctively likes SOME kind of poetry). Thanks for the heads-up, James. Sounds like a book I should get. --Bob From rewatlingjr at comcast.net Mon Jan 12 12:53:50 2009 From: rewatlingjr at comcast.net (robert e. watling jr) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ginsberg and Snyder In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901120210l5adb2dbajc49d656227cc80c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901120210l5adb2dbajc49d656227cc80c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:10:12 -0800, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Sent by David-Baptiste Chirot: > > Books / Sunday Book > Reviewhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/books/review/Campbell-t.html > > Howls > By JAMES CAMPBELL > Two collections of letters by Allen Ginsberg and > Gary Snyder, both edited by Bill Morgan, illuminate the poets' careers > and emotional life. I have read The Selected Letters of Allen Ginsberg and Gary Snyder and found it wonderful. I was the recipient of a personal note, a post card, from AG with advice and suggestion on poetry and meditation. A prized possession indeed...rob. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 12:57:26 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ginsberg and Snyder In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70901120210l5adb2dbajc49d656227cc80c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901120957y3ded5d0alb272f097529a0b54@mail.gmail.com> Indeed! On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, robert e. watling jr < rewatlingjr@comcast.net> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:10:12 -0800, Anny Ballardini < > anny.ballardini@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sent by David-Baptiste Chirot: >> >> Books / Sunday Book Reviewhttp:// >> www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/books/review/Campbell-t.html >> >> Howls >> By JAMES CAMPBELL >> Two collections of letters by Allen Ginsberg and >> Gary Snyder, both edited by Bill Morgan, illuminate the poets' careers >> and emotional life. >> > > I have read The Selected Letters of Allen Ginsberg and Gary Snyder and > found it wonderful. I was the recipient of a personal note, a post card, > from AG with advice and suggestion on poetry and meditation. A prized > possession indeed...rob. > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090112/01162b5e/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jan 12 18:10:43 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] At the Chancellors' Ball Message-ID: <496BCDF3.9040905@opus40.org> *Marilyn Hacker and Edward Hirsch elected to the board of chancellors of the Academy of American Poets.* -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Jan 12 18:17:22 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] At the Chancellors' Ball Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/2009 5:11:15 PM Central Standard Time, Opus40-01@opus40.org writes: > > > *Marilyn Hacker and Edward Hirsch elected to the board of chancellors of > the Academy of American Poets.* > That's one great choice, the one with shortish hair and the last initial H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dancing Bear *?* Mark Weiss *?* Susan Rich *?* Karl Young *?* Ruth Fainlight *?* Geoffrey Gatza *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Alan Michael Parker *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Jerome Rothenberg *?* Deborah Humphreys *?* Paolo Dalponte *?* Susan Edwards *?* Jean Lamberty *?* Ned Condini *?* Jill Jones *?* Lois Roma-Deeley *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Frank Parker *?* Jon Corelis *?* Tim Mayo *? * Alan Halsey * ?* Spencer Selby *?* M?rton Kopp?ny *?* Wendy Vardaman *?* Dan Waber * ?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Sheila E. Murphy *?* Ann Fisher- Wirth *?* Bob Holman *?* Berty Skuber *?* Michael Peverett *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Richard Dillon *?* Diane Kendig *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *?* Geraldine Monk *?* William Allegrezza I would also like to invite you to the Autumn Anthology that, after my update, received more submissions: *?* Introduction by Anny Ballardini *?* Dirk Vekemans *?* Bobbi Lurie *?* Anny Ballardini *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Jeff Harrison *?* Cecil Touchon *?* Halvard Johnson *?* Jill McCabe Johnson *?* Ann Neuser Lederer *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Christina Pacosz *?* Penelope Schott *?* Georgia Ann Banks-Martin *?* Sandra Giedeman *?* Joel Weishaus *?* Pat Falk *? * Tim Mayo *?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Wendy Vardaman *?* Bill Morgan *?* Eileen Tabios *?* Sheila E. Murphy *?* Alan Sondheim *?* David Graham *?* Tad Richards *?* Bob Grumman *?* Henry Gould *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *?* Guido Catalano *?* Ruth Fainlight *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Larissa Shmailo *?* Geof Huth * ?* Grace Cavalieri *?* Mark Weiss *?* Pam Brown * ?* David Howard *?* Edward Mycue *?* Elizabeth Smither *?* Elena Karina Byrne *?* David-Baptiste Chirot *?* Nico Vassilakis *?* Allen Bramhall *?* Dan Waber * ?* Aaron Belz * ?* Nicholas Piombino *?* Joseph Duemer *?* Daniel Zimmerman *?* Geoffrey Gatza *?* Jon Corelis *?* Berty Skuber *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Sharon Dolin *?* Mark Young *?* Charles Martin *?* Skip Fox *? * Dianalee Velie *?* William Allegrezza *?* Karl Young *?* Richard Dillon *?* Dan Waber * ?* Geraldine Monk -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathy tells me De's death was quick and painless, and one of his final bits of happiness was his response to the following tribute published last week at the VPR blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2009/01/wd-snodgrass-appreciation.html De will be missed by many, but his poetry will continue to live in the hearts of his readers. --Ed -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne@valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr@valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 13 15:29:31 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Sad Note: W.D. Snodgrass In-Reply-To: <496CA166.7112.006E.0@valpo.edu> References: <496CA166.7112.006E.0@valpo.edu> Message-ID: <496CF9AB.1000907@opus40.org> Wow. Sad indeed. I can't say more, except too echo Ed's words. Edward Byrne wrote: > Sadly, I must report that I have just received word from his wife that W.D. Snodgrass died this morning from his battle with lung cancer the previous four months. Kathy tells me De's death was quick and painless, and one of his final bits of happiness was his response to the following tribute published last week at the VPR blog: > > http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2009/01/wd-snodgrass-appreciation.html > > De will be missed by many, but his poetry will continue to live in the hearts of his readers. > > --Ed > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Edward Byrne > Department of English > 322 Huegli Hall > Valparaiso University > Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 > > E-mail: edward.byrne@valpo.edu > Home Page: > http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ > Blog: > http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ > > Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review > E-mail: vpr@valpo.edu > VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ > Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 > Fax: (219) 464-5511 > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 17:04:34 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Chicago Events? Message-ID: <946847.8872.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I've rec'd a few inquiries regarding off-site events taking place during AWP in Chicago. If you have organized any, or are participating in them, can you please post them?? I'll pass them along to the folks who asked but are not on this list.? Others on list may want to know as well.? Thanks, Amy p.s.? For that matter, if you'd also like to sell us on your panel or event, such convincing might be in order too... _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/4ff5e4fd/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Jan 14 12:57:38 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass Message-ID: <3877BB5D-1BC7-414F-89F2-766358360ED2@ripon.edu> At a poetry reading last night we were talking about W. D. Snodgrass, naturally. Someone compared him to Howard Nemerov, not in terms of style but in terms of his interesting position as an inside/outsider, depending on viewing angle. And as someone whose reputation seemed, by the end, unfairly dimmed. Certainly in his later years Snodgrass never matched his early fame or influence, and the "confessional" label (which he rightly detested) clung to him doggedly, despite the vast amount of his work not fitting the category. He quite graciously declined to write an essay for Kate Sontag's and my anthology *After Confession*, not wanting to go anywhere near the term "confession." I remember what a hit his reputation took when he embarked on his big project of poems about the Nazi inner circle. Yet to the end he went on publishing and going his own way. His best work is unsettlingly honest. I always admired his independent spirit, and his prose book *In Radical Pursuit* was highly important to me when I was starting out. I never knew Snodgrass personally, though he once performed a real kindness for me, sending me a consolatory letter after I did not win a contest he was judging. We had a tiny little correspondence after that, and I'll always remember his generosity. Sitting Outside These lawn chairs and the chaise lounge of bulky redwood were purchased for my father twenty years ago, then plumped down in the yard where he seldom went when he could still work and never had stayed long. His left arm in a sling, then lopped off, he smoked there or slept while the weather lasted, watched what cars passed, read stock reports, counted pills, then dozed again. I didn?t go there in those last weeks, sick of the delusions they still maintained, their talk of plans for some boat tour or a trip to the Bahamas once he?d recovered. Under our willows, this old set?s done well: we?ve sat with company, read or taken notes?although the arm rests get dry and splintery or wheels drop off so the whole frame?s weakened if it?s hauled across rough ground. Of course the trees, too, may not last: leaves storm down, branches crack off, the riddled bark separates, then gets shed. I have a son, myself, with things to be looked after. I sometimes think since I?ve retired, sitting in the shade here and feeling the winds shift, I must have been filled with a child dread you could catch somebody?s dying if you got too close. And you can?t be too sure. --W. D. Snodgrass. Not for Specialists: New and Selected Poems. BOA Editions, 2006. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/7dcbd737/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:24:10 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from mIEKAL aND Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901141024l437ca461qfde32115768a57dc@mail.gmail.com> NEW FROM WET SAINT Soundtracks collected from the past 5 years. Immersive sampling, exoteric audio surgery, collaborations with wave forms, recombinative tracking as compositions underscore sounds unwound & recoiled. Lubrication is mIEKAL aND with dusty samples, lofi smatterings of animals, insects & clouds. Illustrations free of the text & waiting for the right moment to be heard. http://filevillage.info/2009/01/13/the-end-is-insight-performed-by-lubrication/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/52836e92/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:25:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:05 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901141025u3b82019cq69157ef619545a8d@mail.gmail.com> _______________ The Papers of the Irish poet Thomas Kinsella have gone to the MARBL Library at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. For a detailed inventory of the Papers of Thomas Kinsella, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/content.php?id=kinsella774_1010913 Amazingly, the MARBL Library at Emory also holds the Papers of the Irish poets Seamus Heaney, Ciaran Carson, Peter Fallon/The Gallery Press Collection, Ted Hughes, Michael Longley, Derek Mahon, Medbh McGuckian, Charles Montieth, Paul Muldoon, Edna O'Brien, Desmond O'Grady, Frank Ormsby, Tom Paulin, and James Simmons as well as other more or less contemporary Irish poets. Most of these manuscript collections have been purchased by Emory. For an index of Irish literary collections, mostly at the MARBL Library of Emory University, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/browse.php Amazing! that the National Library of Ireland would not have acted more decisively to keep these manuscript collections (of literary and historic importance) in Ireland! Or, is it not so amazing after all? given the back-of-the-hand treatment to most Irish authors in the past and present. For information about the Irish Literary Collections Portal, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/ In 1985, in Duluth, Minnesota, I was privileged to introduce Thomas Kinsella at his reading before an audience of 400 people. I enjoyed several days of lengthy conversations with Kinsella. I learned quite a lot from him about the varieties of innovative and not-so-innovative approaches to contemporary poetry. Indeed, it is NOT Seamus Heaney but Thomas Kinsella that I see as the grand old man of contemporary Irish poetry! At that time, on his visit in 1985, Kinsella was very interested to learn of Lady Augusta Gregory's reaction to the city of Duluth. In February of 1914, Lady Gregory came to Duluth to participate in the founding of the Little Theatre, a breakaway from the commercial theatre of that day. (Bernard Shaw was also involved in the founding of this Little Theatre.) As Lady Gregory arrived on the scene, the harbor and the western end of Lake Superior were filled with ice. And further east on the great lake, in motion, there were huge ice floes. Lady Gregory said she had never before seen "icebergs"! Throughout her time in Duluth, she kept talking about the "icebergs," and the "beauty" of the "icebergs"! Regards, from the icebergs of Lake Superior, S?amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/df2ab201/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 14 15:45:29 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901141025u3b82019cq69157ef619545a8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141025u3b82019cq69157ef619545a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB44A02612CF16-4AC-53E@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> Emory's library also got the 75,000 volumes of poetry donated by Raymond Danowski in 2004.? I'd love to get lost in their stacks for about?a year. http://marbl.library.emory.edu/danowski-poetry-library.html If you look at the bottom of this webpage it appears there was a big exhibit of the collection curated by Kevin Young this past year. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:25 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain _______________ The Papers of the Irish poet Thomas Kinsella have gone to the MARBL Library at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. For a detailed inventory of the Papers of Thomas Kinsella, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/content.php?id=kinsella774_1010913 Amazingly, the MARBL Library at Emory also holds the Papers of the Irish poets Seamus Heaney, Ciaran Carson, Peter Fallon/The Gallery Press Collection, Ted Hughes, Michael Longley, Derek Mahon, Medbh McGuckian, Charles Montieth, Paul Muldoon, Edna O'Brien, Desmond O'Grady, Frank Ormsby, Tom Paulin, and James Simmons as well as other more or less contemporary Irish poets. ?Most of these manuscript collections have been purchased by Emory. For an index of Irish literary collections, mostly at the MARBL Library of Emory University, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/browse.php Amazing! that the National Library of Ireland would not have acted more decisively to keep these manuscript collections (of literary and historic importance) in Ireland! Or, is it not20so amazing after all? given the back-of-the-hand treatment to most Irish authors in the past and present. For information about the Irish Literary Collections Portal, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/ In 1985, in Duluth, Minnesota, I was privileged to introduce Thomas Kinsella at his reading before an audience of 400 people. ?I enjoyed several days of lengthy conversations with Kinsella. ?I learned quite a lot from him about the varieties of innovative and not-so-innovative approaches to contemporary poetry. ?Indeed, it is NOT Seamus Heaney but Thomas Kinsella that I see as the grand old man of contemporary Irish poetry! At that time, on his visit in 1985, Kinsella was very interested to learn of Lady Augusta Gregory's reaction to the city of Duluth. ?In February of 1914, Lady Gregory came to Duluth to participate in the founding of the Little Theatre, a breakaway from the commercial theatre of that day. ?(Bernard Shaw was also involved in the founding of this Little Theatre.) ?As Lady Gregory arrived on the scene, the harbor and the western end of Lake Superior were filled with ice. ?And further east on the great lake, in motion, there were huge ice floes. Lady Gregory said she had never before seen "icebergs"! ?Throughout her time in Duluth, she kept talking about the "icebergs," and the "beauty" of the "icebergs"! Regards, from the icebergs of Lake Superior, S?amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain - - Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/e8553feb/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 14 15:56:18 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Emory and Danowski trove In-Reply-To: <8CB44A02612CF16-4AC-53E@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141025u3b82019cq69157ef619545a8d@mail.gmail.com> <8CB44A02612CF16-4AC-53E@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB44A1AEA1567E-4AC-61A@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> It appears that Snodgrass, along with Wilbur and Strand, were at a 3-day celebration of the Danowski collection last April... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/books/05poetry.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/E/Emory%20University Another thing I missed. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain Emory's library also got the 75,000 volumes of poetry donated by Raymond Danowski in 2004.? I'd love to get lost in their stacks for about?a year. http://marbl.library.emory.edu/danowski-poetry-library.html If you look at the bottom of this webpage it appears there was a big exhibit of the collection curated by Kevin Young this past year. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:25 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain _______________ The Papers of the Irish poet Thomas Kinsella have gone to the MARBL Library at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. For a detailed inventory of the Papers of Thomas Kinsella, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/content.php?id=kinsella774_1010913 Amazingly, the MARBL Library at Emory also holds the Papers of the Irish poets Seamus Heaney, Ciaran Carson, Peter Fallon/The Gallery Press Collection, Ted Hughes, Michael Longley, Derek Mahon, Medbh McGuckian, Charles Montieth, Paul Muldoon, Edna O'Brien, Desmond O'Grady, Frank Ormsby, Tom Paulin, and James Simmons as well as other more or less contemporary Irish po ets. ?Most of these manuscript collections have been purchased by Emory. For an index of Irish literary collections, mostly at the MARBL Library of Emory University, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/browse.php Amazing! that the National Library of Ireland would not have acted more decisively to keep these manuscript collections (of literary and historic importance) in Ireland! Or, is it not so amazing after all? given the back-of-the-hand treatment to most Irish authors in the past and present. For information about the Irish Literary Collections Portal, go to http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/ In 1985, in Duluth, Minnesota, I was privileged to introduce Thomas Kinsella at his reading before an audience of 400 people. ?I enjoyed several days of lengthy conversations with Kinsella. ?I learned quite a lot from him about the varieties of innovative and not-so-innovative approaches to contemporary poetry. ?Indeed, it is NOT Seamus Heaney but Thomas Kinsella that I see as the grand old man of contemporary Irish poetry! At that time, on his visit in 1985, Kinsella was very interested to learn of Lady Augusta Gregory's reaction to the city of Duluth. ?In February of 1914, Lady Gregory came to Duluth to participate in the founding of the Little Theatre, a breakaway from the commercial theatre of that day. ?(Bernard Shaw was also involved in the founding of this Little Theatre.) ?As Lady=2 0Gregory arrived on the scene, the harbor and the western end of Lake Superior were filled with ice. ?And further east on the great lake, in motion, there were huge ice floes. Lady Gregory said she had never before seen "icebergs"! ?Throughout her time in Duluth, she kept talking about the "icebergs," and the "beauty" of the "icebergs"! Regards, from the icebergs of Lake Superior, S?amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > Emory's library also got the 75,000 volumes of poetry donated by Raymond > Danowski in 2004. > I'd love to get lost in their stacks for about a year. > > http://marbl.library.emory.edu/danowski-poetry-library.html > > If you look at the bottom of this webpage it appears there was a big > exhibit of the collection curated by Kevin Young this past year. > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:25 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] from Seamas Cain > > _______________ > > > The Papers of the Irish poet Thomas Kinsella have gone to the MARBL > Library at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. > > For a detailed inventory of the Papers of Thomas Kinsella, go to > http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/content.php?id=kinsella774_1010913 > > Amazingly, the MARBL Library at Emory also holds the Papers of the > Irish poets Seamus Heaney, Ciaran Carson, Peter Fallon/The Gallery > Press Collection, Ted Hughes, Michael Longley, Derek Mahon, Medbh > McGuckian, Charles Montieth, Paul Muldoon, Edna O'Brien, Desmond > O'Grady, Frank Ormsby, Tom Paulin, and James Simmons as well as other > more or less contemporary Irish poets. Most of these manuscript > collections have been purchased by Emory. > > For an index of Irish literary collections, > mostly at the MARBL Library of Emory University, go to > http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/browse.php > > Amazing! that the National Library of Ireland would not have acted > more decisively to keep these manuscript collections (of literary and > historic importance) in Ireland! > > Or, is it not so amazing after all? given the back-of-the-hand > treatment to most Irish authors in the past and present. > > For information about the Irish > Literary Collections Portal, go to > http://irishliterature.library.emory.edu/ > > In 1985, in Duluth, Minnesota, I was privileged to introduce Thomas > Kinsella at his reading before an audience of 400 people. I enjoyed > several days of lengthy conversations with Kinsella. I learned quite > a lot from him about the varieties of innovative and not-so-innovative > approaches to contemporary poetry. Indeed, it is NOT Seamus Heaney > but Thomas Kinsella that I see as the grand old man of contemporary > Irish poetry! > > At that time, on his visit in 1985, Kinsella was very interested to > learn of Lady Augusta Gregory's reaction to the city of Duluth. In > February of 1914, Lady Gregory came to Duluth to participate in the > founding of the Little Theatre, a breakaway from the commercial > theatre of that day. (Bernard Shaw was also involved in the founding > of this Little Theatre.) As Lady=2 0Gregory arrived on the scene, the > harbor and the western end of Lake Superior were filled with ice. And > further east on the great lake, in motion, there were huge ice floes. > Lady Gregory said she had never before seen "icebergs"! 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Mill -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the Winter Anthology, :-) http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/864f11a6/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 16:47:57 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards In-Reply-To: <8CB44A7E38AE7CA-12F0-321@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141332x4f4eec48y5e74c2687b37d47a@mail.gmail.com> <8CB44A7E38AE7CA-12F0-321@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901141347w14b07ba6o5b6ed85fb5d99d8c@mail.gmail.com> Jaysoos, I had to read it twice to get to it. I always do like that. Unless I forward from someone, In which case I try to remember the due "from..." Tad is young and jumping around, word of young scout. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Anny, > > Please don't scare the list like that! > > We'd had a couple of RIPs lately and when I saw Tad's name, I froze. Maybe > add Anthology TAD or something like that? > > Glad it's good news. . . > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the Winter > Anthology, :-) > > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Anny, Please don't scare the list like that! We'd had a couple of RIPs lately and when I saw Tad's name, I froze. Maybe add Anthology TAD or something like that? Glad it's good news. . . Mill -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the Winter Anthology, :-) http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/c9f1ca7a/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:43:36 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards In-Reply-To: <8CB44A9D26208C5-12F0-436@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141332x4f4eec48y5e74c2687b37d47a@mail.gmail.com><8CB44A7E38AE7CA-12F0-321@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70901141347w14b07ba6o5b6ed85fb5d99d8c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB44A9D26208C5-12F0-436@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB44B90D8D021C-A54-1166@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Reports of Tad's demise are greatly understated. --Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Millicent Accardi To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards Yeah, From Tad Richards would be a better subject heading! :) Glad he's young and kicking it -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards Jaysoos, I had to read it twice to get to it. I always do like that. Unless I forward from someone, In which case I try to remember the due "from..." Tad is young and jumping around, word of young scout. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: Anny, Please don't scare the list like that! We'd had a couple of RIPs lately and when I saw Tad's name, I froze. Maybe add Anthology TAD or something like that? Glad it's good news. . . Mill -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the Winter Anthology, :-) http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/9b33dddc/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 14 19:14:26 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:06 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards In-Reply-To: <8CB44A9D26208C5-12F0-436@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141332x4f4eec48y5e74c2687b37d47a@mail.gmail.com><8CB44A7E38AE7CA-12F0-321@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70901141347w14b07ba6o5b6ed85fb5d99d8c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB44A9D26208C5-12F0-436@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <496E7FE2.7050306@opus40.org> And still crazy after all these years. And just back from Boston, where i taught a workshop in persona at the Solstice MFA program at Pine Manor College. The program is brand new, run by Meg Kearney, graduating its first MFAs this year, and Meg is doing a great job. Millicent Accardi wrote: > Yeah, From Tad Richards would be a better subject heading! > > :) > > Glad he's young and kicking it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > Jaysoos, I had to read it twice to get to it. > I always do like that. Unless I forward from someone, In which case I > try to remember the due "from..." > > Tad is young and jumping around, word of young scout. > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > Anny, > > Please don't scare the list like that! > > We'd had a couple of RIPs lately and when I saw Tad's name, I > froze. Maybe add Anthology TAD or something like that? > > Glad it's good news. . . > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the > Winter Anthology, :-) > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > > and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater > Toolbar > . > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater > Toolbar > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 14 19:26:38 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards In-Reply-To: <8CB44B90D8D021C-A54-1166@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70901141332x4f4eec48y5e74c2687b37d47a@mail.gmail.com><8CB44A7E38AE7CA-12F0-321@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70901141347w14b07ba6o5b6ed85fb5d99d8c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB44A9D26208C5-12F0-436@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> <8CB44B90D8D021C-A54-1166@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <496E82BE.4040403@opus40.org> Don't misunderestimate my demise. By the way, has it occurred to anyone that, in spite of all the deserved brickbats hurled at Bush for language and everyrhing else, "misunderestimate" is actually a terrific coinage? jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Reports of Tad's demise are greatly understated. > --Mark Twain > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Millicent Accardi > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 4:54 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > Yeah, From Tad Richards would be a better subject heading! > > :) > > Glad he's young and kicking it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:47 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > Jaysoos, I had to read it twice to get to it. > I always do like that. Unless I forward from someone, In which case I > try to remember the due "from..." > > Tad is young and jumping around, word of young scout. > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Millicent Accardi > wrote: > > Anny, > > Please don't scare the list like that! > > We'd had a couple of RIPs lately and when I saw Tad's name, I > froze. Maybe add Anthology TAD or something like that? > > Glad it's good news. . . > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 1:32 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Tad Richards > > To Let you know that Tad Richards has just been added to the > Winter Anthology, :-) > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > > and before him Seamas Cain, both with great poems. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater > Toolbar > . > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater > Toolbar > . > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > ! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 14 19:37:07 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] newcomer takes Eliot prize In-Reply-To: <8CB44BAF88B4FEF-A54-122E@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB44BAF88B4FEF-A54-122E@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <496E8533.4050205@opus40.org> By Jen Hadfield: Fratres (Taking You With Me) I paint the low hill until I admit to how the light is on it. Morning's coldest ? working in thermals and fleeces and socks in triplicate ? a lugworm, bundled bait for the sky with the thunder-grey roe. How is the light on the low hill now? Blood through skin. Once or twice a day sun opens the vein and white is white of seagulls ? sour Messiahs! ? then another two hundred of Tommy's rainstained fleeces. . I said to Tommy (shifting stone) whatcha doing and he said playing at Nelson Mandela what does it look like? . The layby's up for it, grips your car, windows mossed with thin damp. Headlamps chuck out sticky webs to slide from the windscreen and your black/bright forehead. Headlamps ? grasses giant and shrinking - and us knotted in the hill's hair. Now you turn the key and the gate's sudden red iron ? the last moment we've netted. You've picked a soundtrack, you want to say to keep it light, don't get attached ('no angel') and I want to shock you agreeing yeh keep it light and I can carry you a while. For a day or two I'll have this cumulus bruise (your passing weather) on my lower lip. . Up here it turns out it's less simple a ewe's fleece stained by the season of her last tup. And this note: Fratres is a series of instrumental variations on a couple gorgeous themes. It was a directional gift: I'd been trying to write like that, to make a spectacle of something by harping on about it fifteen different ways, to peer at it through a spectrum of filters. If I were more single minded I would write nice tight undistracted poems or perhaps a different poet would be able to work a single poem that could take the pushme pullyou of three different places and one..two..three ? I reckon about thirteen metaphors. Instead this loose form emerged, a stack of micropoems on the same theme. Maybe call it an 'array'. I'm going to work the poem a bit now, cut back hard the bit about the layby on the hill road ? now there's a Pushme Pullyou ? split it up and give the images more space. I'd rather the whole poem was longer, more varied, played more with the possibities of repetition and slight alteration. from http://www.spl.org.uk/best-poems_2004/hadfield.htm More here: http://rogueseeds.blogspot.com/ jforjames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/jan/12/jen-hadfield-ts-eliot-prize1 > > A relative newcomer to poetry who has been widely praised for her > passion and awareness of the natural world has tonight won one of the > genre's grandest awards ? the TS Eliot prize for poetry. > > Shetland-based Jen Hadfield was given a cheque for ?15,000 but she > will doubtless be just as grateful for the sales and profile boost > that winning the prize will bring about. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > ! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jforjames at aol.com Wed Jan 14 19:55:35 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass In-Reply-To: <3877BB5D-1BC7-414F-89F2-766358360ED2@ripon.edu> References: <3877BB5D-1BC7-414F-89F2-766358360ED2@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CB44C31BF8AEAD-A54-1585@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Snodgrass is?a very interesting case when it comes to the question of 'fame' and its fickle nature. Nemerov I don't think ever had the 'moment' Snodgrass had. I confess that?I have to go back now and read more poems. At a certain point I wasn't paying attention. But I think that was as much because the vagaries of critical attention fell off. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass At a poetry reading last night we were talking about W. D. Snodgrass, naturally. ?Someone compared him to Howard Nemerov, not in terms of style but in terms of his interesting position as an inside/outsider, depending on viewing angle. ?And as someone whose reputation seemed, by the end, unfairly dimmed. Certainly in his later years Snodgrass never matched his early fame or influence, and the "confessional" label (which he rightly detested) clung to him doggedly, despite the vast amount of his work not fitting the category. ? He quite graciously declined to write an essay for Kate Sontag's and my anthology *After Confession*, not wanting to go anywhere near the term "confession." ? I remember what a hit his reputation took when he embarked on his big project of poems about the Nazi inner circle. ?Yet to the end he went on publishing and going his own way. ?His best work is unsettlingly honest. ?I alwa ys admired his independent spirit, and his prose book *In Radical Pursuit* was highly important to me when I was starting out. ? I never knew Snodgrass personally, though he once performed a real kindness for me, sending me a consolatory letter after I did not win a contest he was judging. ?We had a tiny little correspondence after that, and I'll always remember his generosity. ? Sitting Outside??????????? ? ? These lawn chairs and the chaise lounge of bulky redwood were purchased for my father twenty years ago, then plumped down in the yard where he seldom went when he could still work and never had stayed long. His left arm in a sling, then lopped off, he smoked there or slept while the weather lasted, watched what cars passed, read stock reports, counted pills, then dozed again. I didn?t go there in those last weeks, sick of the delusions they still maintained, their talk of plans for some boat tour or a trip to the Bahamas once he?d recovered. Under our willows, this old set?s done well: we?ve sat with company, read or taken notes?although the arm rests get dry and splintery or wheels drop off so the whole frame?s weakened if it?s hauled across rough ground.? Of course the trees, too, may not last: leaves storm down, branches crack off, the riddled bark separates, t hen gets shed. I have a son, myself, with things to be looked after. I sometimes think since I?ve retired, sitting in the shade here and feeling the winds shift, I must have been filled with a child dread you could catch somebody?s dying if you got too close. And you can?t be too sure. ? --W. D. Snodgrass. Not for Specialists: New and Selected Poems.? BOA Editions, 2006. ? ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== = _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/6202ef32/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Jan 14 22:33:13 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/2009 6:56:09 PM Central Standard Time, jforjames@aol.com writes: > > Snodgrass is a very interesting case when it comes to the question of 'fame' > and its fickle nature. > Nemerov I don't think ever had the 'moment' Snodgrass had. I confess that I > have to go back now and read > more poems. At a certain point I wasn't paying attention. But I think that > was as much because the > vagaries of critical attention fell off. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:57 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass > > > > At a poetry reading last night we were talking about W. D. Snodgrass, > naturally. Someone compared him to Howard Nemerov, not in terms of style but in > terms of his interesting position as an inside/outsider, depending on viewing > angle. And as someone whose reputation seemed, by the end, unfairly dimmed. > > > Certainly in his later years Snodgrass never matched his early fame or > influence, and the "confessional" label (which he rightly detested)20clung to him > doggedly, despite the vast amount of his work not fitting the category. He > quite graciously declined to write an essay for Kate Sontag's and my > anthology *After Confession*, not wanting to go anywhere near the term "confession." > > > > I remember what a hit his reputation took when he embarked on his big > project of poems about the Nazi inner circle. Yet to the end he went on publishing > and going his own way. His best work is unsettlingly honest. I always > admired his independent spirit, and his prose book *In Radical Pursuit* was > highly important to me when I was starting out. > > > I never knew Snodgrass personally, though he once performed a real kindness > for me, sending me a consolatory letter after I did not win a contest he was > judging. We had a tiny little correspondence after that, and I'll always > remember his generosity. > > > > > Sitting Outside > > These lawn chairs and the chaise lounge > of bulky redwood were purchased for my father > twenty years ago, then plumped down in the yard > where he seldom went when he could still work > and never had stayed long. His left arm > in a sling, then lopped off, he smoked there or slept > while the weather lasted, watched what cars passed, > read stock reports, counted pills, > then dozed again. I didn?t go there > in those last weeks, sick of the delusions > they still maintained, their talk of plans > for some boat tour or a trip to the Bahamas > 0D once he?d recovered. Under our willows, > this old set?s done well: we?ve sat with company, > read or taken notes?although the arm rests > get dry and splintery or wheels drop off > so the whole frame?s weakened if it?s hauled > across rough ground. Of course the trees, > too, may not last: leaves storm down, > branches crack off, the riddled bark > separates, then gets shed. I have a son, myself, > with things to be looked after. I sometimes think > since I?ve retired, sitting in the shade here > and feeling the winds shift, I must have been filled > with a child dread you could catch som ebody?s dying > if you got too close. And you can?t be too sure. > > --W. D. Snodgrass. Not for Specialists: New and Selected Poems. BOA > Editions, 2006. > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > =0 A========================================== > > > > > > I knew De for forty years, and always loved him and his work dearly. He occasionally got sidetracked into strange areas (those Cock Robin poems) but was always capable of coming back with something that would astonish you. I wrote a review of The Fuhrer Bunker many years ago that he was most appreciative of, and around that time we had a fascinating dinner table discussion with a colleague from history who taught a course on Nazi Germany. A lot of the talk centered on Speer, whom Snodgrass did meet, as I recall. A lot of TFB is a bit silly and over the top ("Tea for Two," which he delighted in performing) but much of it was very powerful indeed, especially his treatment of the Goebbels. My favorite memory of him is riding around in my pickup with us talking about a variety of things--the Bernstein recording of the Berlioz Requiem, which he loved as much as I did. Talk turned to popular music (maybe the car radio was on), and I remember him speaking ruefully about his recent divorce from wife #3, whose name was Camille. The top song at the time was by Kenny Rogers ("You picked a bad time to leave me, Lucille") which he said was driving him nuts because of the similarity of the names. He married Kathy a couple of years later and seemed pretty damned happy in that relationship until the end. They were married 30 years or so. As entertaining a talker as he was, there was always a strangely disingenuous quality in it (in interviews, not with me) and in his prose memoirs/essays. For a poet who didn't want to be known as "confessional," he certainly spilled a lot of family beans. These interviews are worth watching: http://www.peoplesarchive.com/home/en/collections/Literature.html He sometimes plays the "gee-whiz" naif, but it strikes me as something of an act. His reflections on Lowell and Jarrell are priceless. He obviously spent a lot of time with Freudians, and I trust that a good deal of it was beneficial. I last heard him read at West Chester in June 2007. He was in great voice. A friend saw him in Atlanta last spring and said the same. There is a good book of interviews with Philip Hoy published by Between the Lines. My funniest De story comes from a reading he gave in Austin in 73 or 73. They had a big literary festival, and he was preceded by Sonia Sanchez, who had brought along her young son. De read "The Owl." He got to that point of "Listen!" and paused dramatically with his hand to his ear. With perfect timing, Sanchez's kid let out a huge belch that absolutely convulsed the audience. He was very gracious, but the effect of the poem, which he restarted, was totally lost. For me, After Experience is a much greater book than Heart's Needle, which has dated in many ways. But he committed the sin of not producing "more of the same" in his second book, and his reputation suffered accordingly. His most "confessional" work is probably in the "S. S. Gardons" poems, which were originally published pseudonymously I don't see much comparison with Nemerov, who, good as he can be, I would put in there with Ciardi and maybe some of Shapiro as poets of the suburban experience--the poet as middle-class citizen. De was always pretty much on the outside of this, and his interests were much more far-ranging. He is especially good on poems that deal with music and other kinds of ekphrasis. I agree with David that In Radical Pursuit is a fine book of prose that reveals a mind reaching out in many directions. He was also a delightful mimic. I still treasure his impersonation of Elizabeth Hardwick railing at "Cal." I thought he'd live forever. If there was ever anyone to whom the epithet "hale and hardy" applied, it was De. God bless him. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090114/73dbbf07/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Jan 14 22:35:27 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Snodgrass Message-ID: "hale and hearty," I meant, but "hale and hardy" isn't far off the mark. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sam _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/75ad4fd4/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Jan 15 10:49:30 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems Message-ID: <6E7DD882-D5F3-4E55-83C6-A902C507DF03@ripon.edu> In case Elizabeth Alexander breaks a leg or comes down with laryngitis, a number of other poets are ready to step in with their own poems at Barack Obama's inauguration. Poems by Billy Collins, Alice Walker, Julia Alvarez, Yusef Komunyakaa, David Lehman, Gary Soto, et al.: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ ALeqM5hC3iwtLF3BT_BVSs_ekTtYWRT8SQD95MDI580 ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/f7ef2e96/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 11:19:02 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems Message-ID: My "An Inaugural Prayer" placed second in the Best American Poetry competition: http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/bap_poem_cha llenge/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/7b86642c/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 11:34:45 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901150834n1945223cn38f06c978c11cffc@mail.gmail.com> Nice one, Sam. I enjoyed every bit of it [despite its rhyming endie thingies] Judy who thinks we should all move to the UK bcuz the govt tends to treat its citizens as human beings, and those human beings tend to make damned sure that they do. Ain't no place nor person perfect, but oh many more of us USAmericans would do well to use more bark and bite! 2009/1/15 > My "An Inaugural Prayer" placed second in the Best American Poetry > competition: > > > http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/bap_poem_challenge/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/89f7cf17/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 12:41:37 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901150941o22de2bfx5c4a95205cb2bd66@mail.gmail.com> I think it is better than the first. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > My "An Inaugural Prayer" placed second in the Best American Poetry > competition: > > > http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/bap_poem_challenge/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/1eceeecd/attachment.html From david.weinstock at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 12:49:10 2009 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:07 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901150941o22de2bfx5c4a95205cb2bd66@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901150941o22de2bfx5c4a95205cb2bd66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437b1e3a0901150949r1d003ec8p683731a0738005e1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the link. Last week I gave my poetry workshop the assignment to write an inaugural poem, in case Ms. Alexander could not perform. I am about to go hear what they wrote. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I think it is better than the first. > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > >> My "An Inaugural Prayer" placed second in the Best American Poetry >> competition: >> >> >> http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/bap_poem_challenge/ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- .......................................................... DAVID WEINSTOCK 240 Woodland Park, Middlebury, VT 05753 Home: 802-388-6939 Cell: 802-989-4314 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/d4b97404/attachment.html From lists at brtom.org Thu Jan 15 13:06:47 2009 From: lists at brtom.org (Thomas Murphy) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? Message-ID: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> Hiya. I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Murphy Mundelein, IL San Antonio, TX http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/f7f792f8/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 15 13:09:48 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496F7BEC.8090306@nut-n-but.net> Hmmmm, if I read your poem right, Sam, you actually believe in the myth of division. Excellently choppy poem you made, though (and I don't mean "choppy" in whatever the bad sense is). Maybe ten times better than the winner, which I thought very bad. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 15 14:55:10 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone poets... http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile A tale of two small?cities... I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a large number of older buildings and that added?charm to the city. Unlike Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal'? city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in the past decade.) Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a substantial amount of the real estate along the?San Antonio?river?and local officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting the river off from city life.?One woman stood up to the plans and eventually mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter the river. See 1926... http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source of tourism dollars. In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities,?the Hog River wended through the downtown,?around?Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded? in the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their river, and they were successful. http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss to the aesthetics of our downtown. The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded?alongside the river effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the?river. In 1990s, realizing this?had all been a grand mistake,?money was spent to build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project is called "Riverfront Recapture." Lesson: Always let a river run through it. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Murphy To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? Hiya. I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Murphy Mundelein, IL San Antonio, TX http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/300829fb/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 15 15:00:52 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Forgot to mention that when I was in San Antonio I went to some good art galleries, like... http://www.artpace.org/whatsHappening.php Poets tend to run with other artist riff-raff, so check that out. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone poets... http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile A tale of two small?cities... I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a large number of older buildings and that added?charm to the city. Unlike Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal'? city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in the past decade.) Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a substantial amount of the real estate along the?San Antonio?river?and local officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting the river off from city life.?One woman stood up to the plans and eventually mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter the river. See 1926... http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source of tourism dollars. In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities,?the Hog River wended through the downtown,?around?Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded? in the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their river, and they were successful. http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss to the aesthetics of our downtown. The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded?alongside the river effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the?river. In 1990s, realizing this?had all been a grand mistake,?money was spent to build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project is called "Riverfront Recapture." Lesson: Always let a river run through it. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Murphy To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? Hiya. I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Murphy Mundelein, IL San Antonio, TX http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > My "An Inaugural Prayer" placed second in the Best American Poetry > competition: > > http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/bap_poem_challenge/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From tony at starve.org Thu Jan 15 15:09:05 2009 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Court Green and Fence: Off-Site AWP Reading (Feb. 12, 6:30 p.m.) Message-ID: <496F97E1.3030205@starve.org> COURT GREEN and FENCE Off-Site Reading at AWP Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:30pm - 9:00pm Film Row Cinema, Columbia College Chicago 1104 S. Wabash (8th floor) COURT GREEN 6 (Letters Dossier) and FENCE BOOKS celebrate their publication releases with a reading and reception in conjunction with the Association of Writers and Writing Programs (AWP) Conference. Contributors will read selections from COURT GREEN and FENCE. Readers include William Olsen, Sharon Dolin, Julie Carr, Carrie Etter, Charles Jensen, Elizabeth Robinson, Sasha Steensen, James Shea, Brian Young, and Rodrigo Toscano, among others. A reception follows the readings. From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 15 15:16:43 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted In-Reply-To: <347357.94977.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB4565514B4C20-1794-8CB@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Lori Shine To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted] Hi all, It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these positions to read this: http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html Best, Lori Shine --- On Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program wrote: From: MFA Program Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted] To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu, eng-grad@english.umass.edu Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM Hey Sylvia, I thought people on the list might be interested in this! Jess ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg ----- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) From: Caron Andregg Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com Two (2) Associate Editors wanted After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press Review to pursue other projects.? His contributions to the press will be difficult to replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new Associate Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible for the annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our annual Book Award.? Cider Press publishes only poetry.? See samples online at www.ciderpressreview.com. CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing editorial slant of Cider Press Review. ?Candidates should have extensive knowledge of contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and exceptional proofreading skills.? The ideal candidate will also have contacts among contemporary writers and excellent people skills.? Both positions are part-time volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small stipend in future. Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual workspace.? Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet access and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate with the Managing Editor.? No advanced technical skills, either with book production or computer programming, are required.? Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more information, please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com.? If possible, I would like to set up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15, 2009). Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with Cider Press Review. ? Thanks very much, Caron Andregg Managing Editor, Cider Press Review ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ Mfa-alum mailing list Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum _______________________________________________ Mfa-alum mailing list Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/ce54fe9d/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Jan 15 15:30:42 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted In-Reply-To: <8CB4565514B4C20-1794-8CB@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4565514B4C20-1794-8CB@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <496F9CF2.1030204@opus40.org> Anyone know anything more about this? jforjames@aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Lori Shine > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA > Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > Editors wanted] > > Hi all, > > It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these > positions to read this: > > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > > Best, > Lori Shine > > --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program / >/* wrote: > > From: MFA Program > > Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > Editors wanted] > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > , eng-grad@english.umass.edu > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM > > Hey Sylvia, > > > > I thought people on the list might be interested in this! > > > > Jess > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg > ----- > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) > > From: Caron Andregg > > > Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com > > > > Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press Review to > > pursue other projects. His contributions to the press will be difficult to > > replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new Associate > > Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible for the > > annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our annual Book > > Award. Cider Press publishes only poetry. See samples online at > > www.ciderpressreview.com . > > CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing > > editorial > > slant of Cider Press Review. Candidates should have extensive knowledge > of > > contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and exceptional > > proofreading skills. The ideal candidate will also have contacts among > > contemporary writers and excellent people skills. Both positions are > > part-time > > volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small stipend in > > future. > > Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual > > workspace. > > Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet access > > and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate with > > the Managing Editor. No advanced technical skills, either with book > > production > > or computer programming, are required. > > Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more information, > > please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com. If possible, I would like to > > set > > up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15, > 2009). > > Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with Cider > > Press Review. > > > > Thanks very much, > > Caron Andregg > > Managing Editor, Cider Press Review > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mfa-alum mailing list > > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mfa-alum mailing list > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > ! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From lists at brtom.org Thu Jan 15 15:43:30 2009 From: lists at brtom.org (Thomas Murphy) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks very much, James. Two names show up for SA poets. Very true about cities ... but I'd qualify that bit about "small cities" ... SA is second only to Houston in TX ... which surprised me when I found out. And the northwest inside-the-loop section is far from quaint. They got some serious sprawling uglification going on here ... from what I've seen so far. Anyway, thanks. Tom On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Forgot to mention that when I was in San Antonio I went to some good art > galleries, like... > http://www.artpace.org/whatsHappening.php > Poets tend to run with other artist riff-raff, so check that out. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jforjames@aol.com > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 2:55 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? > > You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone > poets... > http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile > > A tale of two small cities... > > I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the > town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a > large number of older buildings and that added charm to the city. Unlike > Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal' > city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking > areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in > the past decade.) > > Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... > > The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a > substantial amount of the real estate along the San Antonio river and local > officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so > that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting > the river off from city life. One woman stood up to the plans and eventually > mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter > the river. See 1926... > http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp > In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source of > tourism dollars. > > In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities, the Hog > River wended through the downtown, around Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded in > the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their > river, and they were successful. > http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm > The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss > to the aesthetics of our downtown. > > The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As > in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive > Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded alongside the river > effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the river. > In 1990s, realizing this had all been a grand mistake, money was spent to > build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project > is called "Riverfront Recapture." > > Lesson: Always let a river run through it. > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Murphy > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? > > Hiya. > > I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that is > going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like to > experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. > > Thanks, > > Tom > > -- > Tom Murphy > Mundelein, IL > San Antonio, TX > > http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! > > > ------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tom Murphy, O. Carm. Mundelein, IL San Antonio, TX http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/07775bf5/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 15:54:40 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Court Green and Fence: Off-Site AWP Reading (Feb. 12, 6:30 p.m.) In-Reply-To: <496F97E1.3030205@starve.org> References: <496F97E1.3030205@starve.org> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901151254x7e13faa9tafae3f4c6b40553e@mail.gmail.com> Tony, any background, set-up, details, anticipations, ideas, gossip you can give about this? Oh wait, I'm in balmy Norfolk, VA, so prolly won't fly to Chicago soon. Seriously, whatever you've time to tell us about the event, we'd be grateful. Best, Judy [Prince] 2009/1/15 Tony Trigilio > COURT GREEN and FENCE > Off-Site Reading at AWP > > Thursday, February 12, 2009 > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > Film Row Cinema, Columbia College Chicago > 1104 S. Wabash (8th floor) > > COURT GREEN 6 (Letters Dossier) and FENCE BOOKS celebrate their > publication releases with a reading and reception in conjunction with > the Association of Writers and Writing Programs (AWP) Conference. > Contributors will read selections from COURT GREEN and FENCE. Readers > include William Olsen, Sharon Dolin, Julie Carr, Carrie Etter, Charles > Jensen, Elizabeth Robinson, Sasha Steensen, James Shea, Brian Young, > and Rodrigo Toscano, among others. A reception follows the readings. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/8e814fd9/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 16:05:14 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:08 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901151305i7bc0aabavf2ab84f84f2e4560@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it is. It's even sloppier. Just looks surface-sleek. But its chinks clink, blink, and growl a-menace. Think Wizard of Oz. Judy after the tornado 2009/1/15 > In a message dated 1/15/2009 12:08:16 PM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: > > > Hmmmm, if I read your poem right, Sam, you actually believe in the myth > of division. Excellently choppy poem you made, though (and I don't mean > "choppy" in whatever the bad sense is). Maybe ten times better than the > winner, which I thought very bad. > > > Democracy is sloppy; totalitarianism is not. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/a0cba96a/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Thu Jan 15 16:14:03 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted In-Reply-To: <496F9CF2.1030204@opus40.org> References: <8CB4565514B4C20-1794-8CB@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> <496F9CF2.1030204@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CB456D5389F3FD-8F4-3A8@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Oh my I just read the blog.? I think there was a similar article in Poets and Writers a few issues ago.? Can't recall if it was the same press, though. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted Anyone know anything more about this?? ? jforjames@aol.com wrote:? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Lori Shine ? > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA > Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu? > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm? > Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > Editors wanted]? >? > Hi all,? >? > It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these > positions to read this:? >? > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html? >? > Best,? > Lori Shine? >? > --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program / >/* wrote:? >? > From: MFA Program >? > Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate? > Editors wanted]? > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu? > , eng-grad@english.umass.edu? > ? > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM? >? > Hey Sylvia,? >? >? >? > I thought people on the list might be interested in this!? >? >? >? > Jess? >? >? >? > ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg > -----? >? > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST)? >? > From: Caron Andregg >? >? > Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com ? >? > Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted? >? > To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com ? >? >? >? > Two (2) Associate Editors wanted? >? > After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press Review to? >? > pursue other projects. His contributions to the press will be difficult to? >? > replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new Associate? >? > Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible for the? >? > annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our annual Book? >? > Award. Cider Press publishes only poetry. See samples online at? >? > www.ciderpressreview.com .? >? > CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing? >? > editorial? >? > slant of Cider Press Review. Candidates should have extensive knowledge? > of? >? > contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and exceptional? >? > proofreading skills. The ideal candidate will also have contacts among? >? > contemporary writers and excellent people skills. Both positions are? >? > part-time? >? > volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small stipend in? >? > future.? >? > Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual? >? > workspace. >? > Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet access? >? > and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate with? >? > the Managing Editor. No advanced technical skills, either with book? >? > production? >? > or computer programming, are required. >? > Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more information,? >? > please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com. If possible, I would like to? >? > set? >? > up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15,? > 2009).? >? > Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with Cider? >? > Press Review.? >? > >? > Thanks very much,? >? > Caron Andregg? >? > Managing Editor, Cider Press Review? >? > ----- End forwarded message -----? >? >? >? >? >? > >? > _______________________________________________? >? > Mfa-alum mailing list? >? > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu ? >? > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum? >? > >? > _______________________________________________? > Mfa-alum mailing list? > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu ? > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > !? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!? http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/2d0e8a7e/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 16:37:13 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60901151337j299e1a39v376b19bf55b241cb@mail.gmail.com> Palmer H. Hall, a San Antone poet/editor/friend sends this: "He should check the web site of Gemini Ink (http://www.geminiink.org/), of The Twig Book Shop (http://thetwig.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp) and the S.A. Life and Culturas Section of the San Antonio Express-News (http:mysa.com). There is also a schedule of San Antonio events on our local NPR outlets website at http://tpr.org and UTSA hosts a bunch of readings...I don't know the web site...but they're having Denise Duhamel soon. Trinity University also has a series and usually hosts only really BIG names." - Jim On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Thomas Murphy wrote: > Thanks very much, James. Two names show up for SA poets. > > Very true about cities ... but I'd qualify that bit about "small cities" ... > SA is second only to Houston in TX ... which surprised me when I found out. > And the northwest inside-the-loop section is far from quaint. They got some > serious sprawling uglification going on here ... from what I've seen so far. > > Anyway, thanks. > > Tom > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, wrote: >> >> Forgot to mention that when I was in San Antonio I went to some good art >> galleries, like... >> http://www.artpace.org/whatsHappening.php >> Poets tend to run with other artist riff-raff, so check that out. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jforjames@aol.com >> To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 2:55 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? >> >> You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone >> poets... >> http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile >> >> A tale of two small cities... >> >> I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the >> town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a >> large number of older buildings and that added charm to the city. Unlike >> Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal' >> city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking >> areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in >> the past decade.) >> >> Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... >> >> The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a >> substantial amount of the real estate along the San Antonio river and local >> officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so >> that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting >> the river off from city life. One woman stood up to the plans and eventually >> mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter >> the river. See 1926... >> http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp >> In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source >> of tourism dollars. >> >> In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities, the Hog >> River wended through the downtown, around Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded in >> the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their >> river, and they were successful. >> http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm >> The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss >> to the aesthetics of our downtown. >> >> The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As >> in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive >> Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded alongside the river >> effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the river. >> In 1990s, realizing this had all been a grand mistake, money was spent to >> build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project >> is called "Riverfront Recapture." >> >> Lesson: Always let a river run through it. >> >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas Murphy >> To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? >> >> Hiya. >> >> I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that >> is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like >> to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> Tom Murphy >> Mundelein, IL >> San Antonio, TX >> >> http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ________________________________ >> Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you >> browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! >> ________________________________ >> Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you >> browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > Tom Murphy, O. Carm. > Mundelein, IL > San Antonio, TX > > http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 18:00:04 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted In-Reply-To: <8CB456D5389F3FD-8F4-3A8@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4565514B4C20-1794-8CB@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> <496F9CF2.1030204@opus40.org> <8CB456D5389F3FD-8F4-3A8@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901151500y1f0ecae7m347d995525b9b9ad@mail.gmail.com> I remember we talked about it, wasn't it on this list? Maybe on the WOM-PO? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > Oh my > > I just read the blog. I think there was a similar article in Poets and > Writers a few issues ago. Can't recall if it was the same press, though. > > Cheers, > > Millicent > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > Anyone know anything more about this? > > jforjames@aol.com wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lori Shine > > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA > > Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu > > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm > > Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > > Editors wanted] > > > > Hi all, > > > > It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these > > positions to read this: > > > > > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > > > > > Best, > > Lori Shine > > > > --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program / < > mailto:mfapoetsandwriters@hfa.umass.edu>>/*wrote: > > > > From: MFA Program > > >> > > Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > > Editors wanted] > > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > > >, > eng-grad@english.umass.edu > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM > > > > Hey Sylvia, > > > > > > > > I thought people on the list might be interested in this! > > > > > > > > Jess > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg mailto:ciderpressc@yahoo.com >> ----- > > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) > > > > From: Caron Andregg > >> > > > > Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > > > To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > > > After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press > Review to > > > > pursue other projects. His contributions to the press will be difficult > to > > > > replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new > Associate > > > > Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible for > the > > > > annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our annual > Book > > > > Award. Cider Press publishes only poetry. See samples online at > > > > www.ciderpressreview.com . > > > > CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing > > > > editorial > > > > slant of Cider Press Review. Candidates should have extensive knowledge > > of > > > > contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and > exceptional > > > > proofreading skills. The ideal candidate will also have contacts among > > > > contemporary writers and excellent people skills. Both positions are > > > > part-time > > > > volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small > stipend in > > > > future. > > > > Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual > > > > workspace. > > > Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet > access > > > > and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate > with > > > > the Managing Editor. No advanced technical skills, either with book > > > > production > > > > or computer programming, are required. > > > Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more > information, > > > > please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com. If possible, I would like > to > > > > set > > > > up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15, > > 2009). > > > > Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with > Cider > > > > Press Review. > > > > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Caron Andregg > > > > Managing Editor, Cider Press Review > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mfa-alum mailing list > > > > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > > > > > > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mfa-alum mailing list > > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu > > > > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > < > http://toolbar.aol.com/games/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000023>! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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I think there was a similar article in Poets and Writers a few issues ago.? Can't recall if it was the same press, though. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted Anyone know anything more about this?? ? jforjames@aol.com wrote:? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Lori Shine ? > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA > Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu? > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm? > Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > Editors wanted]? >? > Hi all,? >? > It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these > positions to read this:? >? > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html? >? > Best,? > Lori Shine? >? > --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program / >/* wrote:? >? > From: MFA Program >? > Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate? > Editors wanted]? > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu? > , eng-grad@english.umass.edu? > ? > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM? >? > Hey Sylvia,? >? >? >? > I thought people on the list might be interested in this!? >? >? >? > Jess? >? >? >? > ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg > -----? >? > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST)? >? > From: Caron Andregg >? >? > Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com ? >? > Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted? >? > To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com ? >? >? >? > Two (2) Associate Editors wanted? >? > After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press Review to? >? > pursue other projects. His contributions to the press will be difficult to? >? > replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new Associate? >? > Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible for the? >? > annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our annual Book? >? > Award. Cider Press publishes only poetry. See samples online at? >? > www.ciderpressreview.com .? >? > CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing? >? > editorial? >? > slant of Cider Press Review. Candidates should have extensive knowledge? > of? >? > contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and exceptional? >? > proofreading skills. The ideal candidate will also have contacts among? >? > contemporary writers and excellent people skills. Both positions are? >? > part-time? >? > volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small stipend in? >? > future.? >? > Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual? >? > workspace. >? > Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet access? >? > and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate with? >? > the Managing Editor. No advanced technical skills, either with book? >? > production? >? > or computer programming, are required. >? > Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more information,? >? > please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com. If possible, I would like to? >? > set? >? > up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15,? > 2009).? >? > Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with Cider? >? > Press Review.? >? > >? > Thanks very much,? >? > Caron Andregg? >? > Managing Editor, Cider Press Review? >? > ----- End forwarded message -----? >? >? >? >? >? > >? > _______________________________________________? >? > Mfa-alum mailing list? >? > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu ? >? > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum? >? > >? > _______________________________________________? > Mfa-alum mailing list? > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu ? > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > !? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? 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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > I remember the discussion too. was it the same press? > > Cheers, > > Millicent > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 3:00 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted > > I remember we talked about it, wasn't it on this list? Maybe on the > WOM-PO? > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Millicent Accardi wrote: > >> Oh my >> >> I just read the blog. I think there was a similar article in Poets and >> Writers a few issues ago. Can't recall if it was the same press, though. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Millicent >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TheOldMole >> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted >> >> Anyone know anything more about this? >> >> jforjames@aol.com wrote: >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Lori Shine >> > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu; eng-grad@english.umass.edu; MFA > >> Program ; jubilat@english.umass.edu >> > Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:59 pm >> > Subject: Re: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate > >> Editors wanted] >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > It would probably be good for anyone considering applying for these > >> positions to read this: >> > >> > >> http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html >> >> > >> > Best, >> > Lori Shine >> > >> > --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, MFA Program / >> >/*wrote: >> > >> > From: MFA Program > > >> >> >> > Subject: [Mfa-alum] [Fwd: Fwd: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate >> > Editors wanted] >> > To: mfa-alum@english.umass.edu >> > >, >> eng-grad@english.umass.edu >> > > >> > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:36 PM >> > >> > Hey Sylvia, >> > >> > >> > >> > I thought people on the list might be interested in this! >> > >> > >> > >> > Jess >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Forwarded message from Caron Andregg > mailto:ciderpressc@yahoo.com >> ----- >> > >> > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) >> > >> > From: Caron Andregg > mailto:ciderpressc@yahoo.com >> >> > >> > Reply-To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> > Subject: [litmagslji] Two (2) Associate Editors wanted >> > >> > To: litmagslji@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Two (2) Associate Editors wanted >> > >> > After 10 years, founding partner Robert Wynne is leaving Cider Press >> Review to >> > >> > pursue other projects. His contributions to the press will be difficult >> to >> > >> > replace, so in consequence, Cider Press Review is looking for two new >> Associate >> > >> > Editors, an Associate Poetry Editor who will be primarily responsible >> for the >> > >> > annual journal, and an Associate Book Editor who will focus on our >> annual Book >> > >> > Award. Cider Press publishes only poetry. See samples online at >> > >> > www.ciderpressreview.com . >> > >> > CPR is looking for editors with discernment to complement the existing >> > >> > editorial >> > >> > slant of Cider Press Review. Candidates should have extensive knowledge >> > of >> > >> > contemporary poetry, some experience with journal publication, and >> exceptional >> > >> > proofreading skills. The ideal candidate will also have contacts among >> > >> > contemporary writers and excellent people skills. Both positions are >> > >> > part-time >> > >> > volunteer/mast-head only, though there is a possibility of a small >> stipend in >> > >> > future. >> > >> > Since its inception, Cider Press Review has functioned in a virtual >> > >> > workspace. > >> > Editors can live and work anywhere provided they have reliable internet >> access >> > >> > and sufficient computer skills to share manuscript files and communicate >> with >> > >> > the Managing Editor. No advanced technical skills, either with book >> > >> > production >> > >> > or computer programming, are required. > >> > Anyone interested in being considered for these positions or more >> information, >> > >> > please email caron [at] ciderpressreview.com. If possible, I would like >> to >> > >> > set >> > >> > up phone meetings before AWP (Feb. 11-15, >> > 2009). >> > >> > Please forward this notice to anyone you think might be a good fit with >> Cider >> > >> > Press Review. >> > >> > > >> > Thanks very much, >> > >> > Caron Andregg >> > >> > Managing Editor, Cider Press Review >> > >> > ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Mfa-alum mailing list >> > >> > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu >> > >> > >> > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mfa-alum mailing list >> > Mfa-alum@english.umass.edu >> > >> > https://list.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/mfa-alum >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > >> browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now > < >> http://toolbar.aol.com/games/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000023>! >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> -- Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! >> http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------ >> Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood >> predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > predictions, celebrity holiday photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/d81dddf1/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:03:02 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:09 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com><8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com><8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4584EF34C34A-860-4D@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Tom, Second to Houston? What happened to Dallas-Ft.Worth metroplex? I know George Bush is planning to move there. I hope this wasn't the case of a sinkhole opening up suddenly thereabouts. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Murphy Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? Thanks very much, James. Two names show up for SA poets. Very true about cities ... but I'd qualify that bit about "small cities" ... SA is second only to Houston in TX ... which surprised me when I found out. And the northwest inside-the-loop section is far from quaint. They got some serious sprawling uglification going on here ... from what I've seen so far. Anyway, thanks. Tom On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, wrote: Forgot to mention that when I was in San Antonio I went to some good art galleries, like... http://www.artpace.org/whatsHappening.php Poets tend to run with other artist riff-raff, so check that out. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone poets... http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile A tale of two small?cities... I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a large number of older buildings and that added?charm to the city. Unlike Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal'? city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in the past decade.) Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a substantial amount of the real estate along the?San Antonio?river?and local officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting the river off from city life.?One woman stood up to the plans and eventually mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter the river. See 1926... http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source of tourism dollars. In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities,?the Hog River wended through the downtown,?around?Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded? in the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their river, and they were successful. http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss to the aesthetics of our downtown. The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded?alongside the river effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the?river. In 1990s, realizing this?had all been a grand mistake,?money was spent to build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project is called "Riverfront Recapture." Lesson: Always let a river run through it. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Murphy To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? Hiya. I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Murphy Mundelein, IL San Antonio, TX http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! 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But now that you mention it, the winning poem seemed the antithesis of sloppy. . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/e79d127d/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 19:11:32 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: <496FCFF2.1020108@nut-n-but.net> References: <496FCFF2.1020108@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901151611w575bdedeqec8454d65ff18746@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Bob, I was responding to Sam's statement about totalitarianism not being sloppy. And I thought Sam's poem was Way Better than the first place one. Best, Judy 2009/1/15 Bob Grumman > Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 12:08:16 PM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: > > > Hmmmm, if I read your poem right, Sam, you actually believe in the myth > of division. Excellently choppy poem you made, though (and I don't mean > "choppy" in whatever the bad sense is). Maybe ten times better than the > winner, which I thought very bad. > > > Democracy is sloppy; totalitarianism is not. > > Not sure *exactly* what Judith meant (or even if she was talking about > your poem or the other one), but in describing your poem as choppy I didn't > mean sloppy, I meant something vital like a woodsman chopping. But now > that you mention it, the winning poem seemed the antithesis of sloppy. . . > . > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/3a795b83/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:19:41 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901151611w575bdedeqec8454d65ff18746@mail.gmail.com> References: <496FCFF2.1020108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901151611w575bdedeqec8454d65ff18746@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4587427B331A-860-138@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> I agree Sam's poem was better than winner's. ? We have a few more days before the Obama democratic coronation. Wihtout the requirement of using the specific words or lines from BAP 2008 which was required in the?challenge Sam rose to, can we get a few poets on this list? to compose poems for the inauguration? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Judy Prince Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems Hey, Bob, I was responding to Sam's statement about totalitarianism not being sloppy. ? And I thought Sam's poem was Way Better than the first place one. Best, Judy 2009/1/15 Bob Grumman Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2009 12:08:16 PM Central Standard Time, bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: Hmmmm, if I read your poem right, Sam, you actually believe in the myth of division.? Excellently choppy poem you made, though (and I don't mean "choppy" in whatever the bad sense is).? Maybe ten times better than the winner, which I thought very bad. Democracy is sloppy; totalitarianism is not. Not sure exactly what Judith meant (or even if she was talking about your poem or the other one), but in describing your poem as choppy I didn't mean sloppy, I meant something vital like a woodsman chopping.? But? now that you mention it,? the winning poem seemed the antithesis of sloppy. . . . --Bob ? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/00f5676b/attachment.html From lists at brtom.org Thu Jan 15 19:56:30 2009 From: lists at brtom.org (Thomas Murphy) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? In-Reply-To: <8CB4584EF34C34A-860-4D@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> References: <515f75670901151006u67e03f5ekc38dbc6a84458124@mail.gmail.com> <8CB456249BFFABB-92C-237@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <8CB4563193C9323-92C-2B5@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> <515f75670901151243v5fc82cc4qe8a1256d083711c1@mail.gmail.com> <8CB4584EF34C34A-860-4D@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <515f75670901151656s14608289meba463852aba45ee@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, that was the surprise. It seems D-FW is just a region, technically not a city. SA has 80-some thousand more folks than Dallas the city: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM, wrote: > Tom, > Second to Houston? What happened to Dallas-Ft.Worth metroplex? I know > George Bush is planning to move there. I hope this wasn't the case of a > sinkhole opening up suddenly thereabouts. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Murphy > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 3:43 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? > > Thanks very much, James. Two names show up for SA poets. > > Very true about cities ... but I'd qualify that bit about "small cities" > ... SA is second only to Houston in TX ... which surprised me when I found > out. And the northwest inside-the-loop section is far from quaint. They got > some serious sprawling uglification going on here ... from what I've seen so > far. > > Anyway, thanks. > > Tom > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > >> Forgot to mention that when I was in San Antonio I went to some good art >> galleries, like... >> http://www.artpace.org/whatsHappening.php >> Poets tend to run with other artist riff-raff, so check that out. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jforjames@aol.com >> To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 2:55 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? >> >> You might query the P&W Directory database for some local San Antone >> poets... >> http://www.pw.org/search/query?type=writer_profile >> >> A tale of two small cities... >> >> I was in San Antonio for the first time about 5 years ago and enjoyed the >> town. It seemed like a place where they really had worked to preserve a >> large number of older buildings and that added charm to the city. Unlike >> Hartford CT where I live now. During Hartford's period of 'urban renewal' >> city planners decimated whole city blocks creating vast surface parking >> areas and empty concrete plazas. (Only slowly being rectified/reclaimed in >> the past decade.) >> >> Of course San Antonio has The River Walk running through the town... >> >> The story is that in early part of the 20th Century a flood had damaged a >> substantial amount of the real estate along the San Antonio river and local >> officials wanted to re-route or to cover or to concrete embank the river so >> that it wouldn't overflow again. But the results would have meant cutting >> the river off from city life. One woman stood up to the plans and eventually >> mustered and organized enough community support to stop the plans to alter >> the river. See 1926... >> http://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com/RiverwalkHistory/History3.asp >> In time, the river became a featured city treasure and a constant source >> of tourism dollars. >> >> In Hartford, once called one of America's most beautiful cities, the Hog >> River wended through the downtown, around Bushnell Park, etc. It flooded in >> the 20s and 30s as well. The town fathers of Hartford decided to bury their >> river, and they were successful. >> http://www.hogriver.org/issues/v01n01/hog_river_history.htm >> The river now basically part of an underground sewer system, at great loss >> to the aesthetics of our downtown. >> >> The other larger river that flows by Hartford is the Connecticut River. As >> in the case of other American cities, urban planners let a massive >> Interstate Highway be built and ever-expanded alongside the river >> effectively creating an impenetrable barrier between the city and the river. >> In 1990s, realizing this had all been a grand mistake, money was spent to >> build walkways and viaducts to reconnect the river to the city. The project >> is called "Riverfront Recapture." >> >> Lesson: Always let a river run through it. >> >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas Murphy >> To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:06 pm >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Action in San Antone? >> >> Hiya. >> >> I'm uncloaking to ask if anyone knows of poetry people/events/stuff that >> is going on in San Antonio, TX. I'm living here until mid-May and would like >> to experience a bit of the scene ... if there is one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> Tom Murphy >> Mundelein, IL >> San Antonio, TX >> >> http://brtom.typepad.com/one/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you >> browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you >> browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Tom Murphy, O. 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Hall, a San Antone poet/editor/friend sends this: > > "He should check the web site of Gemini Ink > (http://www.geminiink.org/), of The Twig Book Shop > (http://thetwig.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp) and the S.A. Life > and Culturas Section of the San Antonio Express-News (http:mysa.com). > There is also a schedule of San Antonio events on our local NPR > outlets website at http://tpr.org and UTSA hosts a bunch of > readings...I don't know the web site...but they're having Denise > Duhamel soon. Trinity University also has a series and usually hosts > only really BIG names." > > - Jim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Watch out! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 15 20:22:05 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496FE13D.4000206@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/2009 6:06:07 PM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: >> Not sure /exactly/ what Judith meant (or even if she was talking >> about your poem or the other one), but in describing your poem as >> choppy I didn't mean sloppy, I meant something vital like a woodsman >> chopping. But now that you mention it, the winning poem seemed the >> antithesis of sloppy. . . . >> >> --Bob > > With one significant usage error, of course. Ah, but was it a /sloppy/ usage error?! --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Here's a guarantee: Obama's speech won't be half as good as Sam's poem.) --Bob G. From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 22:54:43 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901151954i7c198f01nf7c291671b9139ff@mail.gmail.com> Grier's beyond bad!! Thanks for link. I had thought Tyehimba Jess [U of I, Urbana-Champaign] an excellent choice if there must be an Inaugural Poet. Tough to spell and look at that word 'Inaugural' without imagining it a condition requiring surgery. Best, Judy wondering what James will give the winner [if indeed it's a contest] of the NP Inauguration Poem Event [I assume Sam's disqualified since nobody wants to compete with him, natch]. 2009/1/15 > I do hope that Elizabeth Alexander acquits herself well. She's not one of > my favorite poets, but I do respect what she does. Also, I expect that > she's scribbling away at this very moment, trying to get it right. For > those who haven't seen this already, here is a great link: > > > http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/05/a-preview-of-maya-angelous-inaugural-poem-for-obama/#comments > > I just hope that the David Alan Grier parody shows up. If not, Google > David Alan Grier Maya Angelou. Very funny! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090115/559821fa/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Jan 16 01:20:28 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:23:32 PM Central Standard Time, bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: > Why don't we put it off till presidents start making speeches about > poets? (Here's a guarantee: Obama's speech won't be half as good as > Sam's poem.) > > --Bob G. Honestly, I do hope it will be. He's taken a lot of flak for "empty rhetoric" in recent times, but that's what campaigns do in taking their toll. I would like to hear something more meaningful than the usual bromides, something that I can respond to both emotionally and rhetorically. Kennedy's inaugural speech (no matter who actually wrote it) was a great piece of rhetoric which is studied in many textbooks including the unimpeachable Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student by Edward P. J. Corbett. I am hoping for an inaugural address that features some memorable speech. I don't give a damn about the promises (which probably won't be kept) but about the words. If our new President can remind us of the power of language to do things--or at least get us started doing things--I'll be very happy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, wrote: > Here's the AP story with the poems: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/odes_to_obama_text_1 > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/cf3cf4ee/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jan 16 01:33:13 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lunch with Auden, Forster, Larkin and Empson Message-ID: <49702A29.7090006@opus40.org> Not all at the same time. An oddly charming reminiscence. http://www.theamericanscholar.org/lunching-on-olympus/ Tad s From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 16 01:58:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49703000.7020604@nut-n-but.net> Yeah, the Kennedy speech: that was the one with "ask not what we can do for you, ask what you can do for us," as I recall. I predict Obama's speech will be a lot like the poem that beat yours out. Sorry, I'm unalterably prejudiced against politicians.) --Bad Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Jan 16 07:26:26 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901160426q3fed147av752713ea3576ec3c@mail.gmail.com> So there are no poets; and I had hoped otherwise. 2009/1/16 > Here's the AP story with the poems: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/odes_to_obama_text_1 > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 07:49:00 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alan M. Parker on the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901160449g337b6ccfka676c73fbfdca2f2@mail.gmail.com> Peaches or Plums by Alan Michael Parker Oh, how I hate my mind, all those memories that have invented their own memories. Take my first love, for instance, how after Mass we'd kneel underneath the back stairs and kiss and kiss and kiss and. Were her lips like peaches or plums? She was Catholic and she wanted to be bad, and I loved her more than baseball, but all the other days divided us, carry the one, nothing left over. So strange, only to kiss on a Sunday, to hold my own breath again for a week, another 10,022 minutes of wretched puberty, until she moved to Iowa or Ohio or the moon. Oh, I can still remember nothing about her, only kissing, and the impossible geometry of the descending stairs that rose to the church kitchen, her breath like hot nutmeg and a little like the ocean; and once, oh my god, she bit me, a first taste of my body, blood in her smile. "Peaches or Plums" by Alan Michael Parker, from *Elephants and Butterflies*. (c) BOA Editions, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/7dfaa0f4/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Jan 16 10:18:22 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: <8CB4587427B331A-860-138@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> References: <496FCFF2.1020108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901151611w575bdedeqec8454d65ff18746@mail.gmail.com> <8CB4587427B331A-860-138@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901160718g19df411cj1f5353132b93c4c5@mail.gmail.com> James, inspired by your idea as well as Bob's notion of putting it off "till presidents start making speeches about poets", I offer this poem I sent to POETRYETC a few days ago: Makars--Makers of Poetry 'knowledge made memorable' Old English riddlers 'well set up, stand in a bed, have a roughish root' their word-hoard hears blowing branches a catch in the swan's neck a top cloud throwing wisdom to weathered men, sharp-eyed ponderers of nature's needs, political turns all must know the old the ships and oars and leaving wife on the rock who turns sharp, dry-eyed pulls carrots and fear from the earth none can be blind to heroes' sacrifices, or unborn babies die and die until they come to term through a knowing womb how to give, how to hear, how to see how to tell the trestles of listening folk who plow and dig, who turn the earth back to a new seed -------------- jbprince 2009/1/15 > I agree Sam's poem was better than winner's. > > We have a few more days before the Obama democratic coronation. 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Directed by Brian Ward in cooperation with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge (Tony Badger), Copenhagen (Martyn Bone) and Florida (Bill Link), this international Network seeks to encourage methodological innovation in Southern Studies across disciplines, promote a more sophisticated understanding of key aspects of southern history, and foster greater appreciation of the relationships between the South and other national and international sites. Following a successful preliminary conference in Manchester in May 2008, further meetings are planned in 2009-10 for Florida, Cambridge, Copenhagen and Manchester again. For more information on the Network visit the Understanding the South website at http://arts.stage.manchester.ac.uk/southnetwork/ or email south.network@manchester.ac.uk -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/65b7f0df/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 11:35:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] the urge to know and the need to deny Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901160835x7583c69do8e7aab77ee9b9642@mail.gmail.com> *CALL FOR PAPERS **BETWEEN THE "URGE TO KNOW" AND THE "NEED TO DENY": ETHICS AND TRAUMA IN CONTEMPORARY NARRATIVE IN ENGLISH *Departamento de Filolog?a Inglesa y Alemana Universidad de Zaragoza Jaca, Huesca (Spain) *March 25-28, 2009 * NEW DEADLINE: February, 2 2009 Keynote Speakers: Meena Alexander, creative writer and academic (India, USA) Merlinda Bobis, creative writer and academic (Philippines, Australia) Gert Buelens, Director of the Centre of Literature and Trauma (Ghent University) Laurie Vickroy, trauma critic (USA) Jean-Michael Ganteau, ethics critic (France) Trauma has become a central trope in the cultural imagination of the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries and critics across ideological spectrums seem to agree that we are now living in an "age of trauma." Being an important sub-strand of the so-called 'Ethical Criticism,' Trauma Studies emerged as a critical trend in the 1990s through the voices of trauma theorists such as Cathy Caruth, Dominick LaCapra, Shoshana Felman and Geoffrey Harpham, among others. This new interest was the result of the effects of the two World Wars and other armed conflicts, the clash of civilisations, the processes of decolonisation and globalisation, and the alienation of affections triggered off by the new technologies and the consumer society. The Holocaust has become the paradigm of traumatic experience, and the terrorist attacks by religious fundamentalists on the population of New York (11 September 2001), Madrid (11 March 2004), and London (7 July 2005), have introduced the vocabulary of trauma in our general speech. However, trauma theory has also focused on a literature that points to History as the determining factor in causing interracial traumas or postcolonial conflicts. In the struggle that trauma creates between the "urge to know" and the "need to deny," we welcome contributions that will explore the theoretical, heuristic and hermeneutic articulations of trauma in contemporary narrative in English. Suggested topics to explore include, but are not limited to: * The representation of historical and/or personal trauma in contemporary narrative in English. * The study of formal innovations devised by contemporary writers in order to represent both collective and individual traumas. * The connections between the representations of historical traumas and personal traumas, of fiction and testimony. * Trauma and literary genres, politics, gender, postcolonial studies and indigenous peoples' studies. * Representations of trauma in the arts. A copy of the completed paper (max. 2,500 words, aprox. 9 double-spaced pages, including notes and works cited) following the MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers, together with a 100-150 word abstract should be e-mailed to both organisers. Author information is to be sent in a separate document (including name, filiation, contact address and paper title). New deadline for submissions: February 2nd, 2009. M. Dolores Herrero Sonia Baelo-Allu? Departamento de Filolog?a Inglesa y Alemana Facultad de Filosof?a y Letras 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Updates will appear on the conference web site: http://cne.literatureresearch.net/conference/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/349ca0c3/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 11:36:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] British Library Conference Centre Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901160836j6dfaaea4tf3e7b4f6e153612d@mail.gmail.com> *'Of the people, by the people, for the people': Abraham Lincoln's Legacy in the 21st Century.* *Monday 9 February 2009 * *18:30-20:00 British Library Conference Centre* Abraham Lincoln, America's 'Great Emancipator', was born 200 years ago this month. He led the USA through a civil war, and paid for with his life for his stand on the issues that divided the nation. The issues of freedom, equality, enfranchisement, engagement and discrimination continue to be critically important to the modern citizen, and a transatlantic panel of speakers will discuss the nature of these challenges in today's political world On the stage will be *Roger Wilkins*, civil rights activist, former assistant attorney general, Pulitzer Prize winner with Woodward, Bernstein and Herblock for the *Washington Post's* Watergate coverage, and author of books including* Jefferson's Pillow:The Founding Fathers & the Dilmma of Black Patriotism*. *Charles Bullock*, Richard Russell Professor of Political Science at Georgia University and pre-eminent scholar of the politics of the southern states. He has served as consultant to more than 70 state and local governments, and has been involved in statewide redistricting litigation in a dozen states. *Tony Badger*, Mellon Professor of American History & Master of Clare College, Cambridge, and author of many books and articles, including *FDR: The First Hundred Days,* and* New Deal/New South*. And in the chair, *Allan Little*, BBC special correspondent Presented by the Eccles Centre for American Studies at the British Library and supported by the US Embassy. *Tickets (?6; ?4 concessions) from **http://boxoffice.bl.uk/* *, or (0)1937 546546, or onsite at the British Library information desk.* -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In an era of rapid industrialization and transformation of landscape, pictures of natural scenes were what people wanted most to display in their homes. The most popular and marketable pictures, often degenerating into kitsch, showed a wilderness with a pond or a lake in which obtrusive signs of industry and civilization had been edited out. Inspired by Romantic ideas of the uniqueness of the nation, pictorial and literary art was supposed to portray the soul of the nation and the spirit of place, a view commonly adopted by cultural and art historians on both sides of the Atlantic. *Arcadian Waters and Wanton Seas* argues that nationalistic or exceptionalist interpretations disregard deep-rooted iconological traditions in transatlantic culture. Depictions and ideas of nature go back to the classical ideas of Arcadia and Eden in which fountains, ponds, lakes, rivers, and finally the sea itself are central elements. Following their European colleagues, American artists typically portrayed the American Arcadia through the classical conventions. *Arcadian Waters and Wanton Seas* adopts the interdisciplinary and comparative methodological perspectives that characterize American studies. The book draws on art history, cultural history, literature, and the study of the production and use of visual images, and will serve well as a textbook for courses on American studies or cultural history of the Western world. Arne Neset is Professor Emeritus of American Studies at the University of Stavanger in Norway. Contents INTRODUCTION: Typologies of Landscape MEANINGS OF LANDSCAPE 1 Country Matters 2 *Paysages Moralis?s* 3 Claude and Salvator in America ROWING IN EDEN 4 River Arcadias 5 Sweet Water 6 Rowing in Eden 7 Hunters in Eden SEA CHANGES 8 Painted Ships and Arcadian Beaches 9 The Angry Sea EPILOGUE 10 Waterscapes in 20th Century Transatlantic Culture -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/e8be21be/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Jan 16 12:23:16 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dodge Festival cancelled for 2010, possibly for good In-Reply-To: <20090116101149.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.5176bcb4ee.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20090116101149.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.5176bcb4ee.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4970C284.70705@opus40.org> Bad. browning@splitthisrock.org wrote: > Thought you'd be interested to know that the Dodge Festival is OFF, at > least through 2010, possible for good. Here's a letter from the > organizer with details: > > From: David Grant, President and CEO, Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation > Greetings to you all at the beginning of a new year. Some of you may > know that we have reduced the Dodge Foundation's grantmaking budgets > annually since 2002 in an effort to develop a sustainable approach to > grantmaking and initiatives in relation to our assets. During that > period, we have reduced all areas of our giving except for Poetry. The > severity of the recent financial downturn--a 30% decline in > assets--has meant that we must finally reduce that budget as well, at > least for the near future. > > I know how much Dodge's work in Poetry means to so many of you, and I > wanted to let you know the Foundation will remain committed to Poetry > as a signature interest. But financial realities are forcing us to > take a different approach to our Poetry activities in 2009 and 2010. > Specifically, and most importantly, we know we will not be able to > produce a Poetry Festival in September 2010 on the scale of past > Festivals. We will maintain much of our work with New Jersey teachers > of poetry this spring, and we will actually expand our efforts to make > the audio and video archives of past Festivals readily available via > YouTube and other means for all who want to enjoy them. Yet we must at > least take a cycle off from the biennial Festival as you have known it > and, depending on how things turn out, we may need to "reinvent" the > Festival on either a more affordable scale or in a more affordable > venue. (Unfortunately, over the last three Festivals, the production > costs have more than doubled, and a mere 20% of the Festival budget > went toward hiring the poets at the very center of the event.) > > Under these circumstances, our esteemed colleague Jim Haba will move > this year from Poetry Director to Consultant to the Foundation. > His longtime associate Martin Farawell will take on the role of > Program Director for Poetry and lead our efforts with the Archive and > other Poetry initiatives. Neither you nor we have seen the last of > Jim, but I wanted to take this opportunity to acknowledge and > celebrate his remarkable achievements as the guiding spirit behind the > Dodge Poetry Festivals since 1986. First as a consultant working with > the Dodge Founding Executive Director Scott McVay, then later as our > full-time Poetry Director, Jim strove tirelessly to create, in his own > words, "a space in which poetry can assume its rightful place at the > center of our imaginative and emotional lives." The result has been a > singular international poetry event, one which instead of featuring > scholarly papers or professional advice always gave priority to the > simple, direct and profound experience of coming together and > listening to poets and poetry. The late Stanley Kunitz went to the > heart of the matter, I think, when he praised the Festivals' great > democratic spirit. Over the course of its twenty-two year history, > the biennial Festivals drew approximately 140,000 people from 42 > states--including 17,000 teachers and 42,000 high school students who > attended without charge and traveled from as far away as Florida, > Maine, Minnesota and California. The Festivals also gave rise to > several NPR radio programs and five PBS television series, including > The Power of the Word, The Language of Life and Fooling with > Words, all hosted by Bill Moyers and seen by a national audience of > nearly 50 million. > > From the outset, Jim strove to include poets and audiences from a wide > base of the culture, and to invite unknown and unrecognized voices > from those groups traditionally excluded from the Western canon. He > recognized that America and American poetry could not thrive unless > they had a deeper connection to the poets and poetries of other > cultures, and so poetry-in-translation has been a central feature of > every Festival. Under his leadership, the Festival spawned a > complementary Poetry-in-the-Schools Program that has since sent poets > into every county in New Jersey to work with thousands of teachers and > students. For me, Jim's brief essay in the Dodge Foundation"s 2000 > Annual Report, Slowing Down for Poetry, will always be the best > rationale behind the Foundation's significant (over $13 million since > 1986) and ongoing investment in Poetry as an art form. He describes > how "Poetry redeems our human possibilities," and reminds us in this > frantic modern world: "Image by image, thought by thought, feeling by > feeling, poetry invites us to sink even more deeply into a kind of > 'before' time, at once achingly familiar and exhilaratingly new. Only > by slowing down for poetry can we hope to accept its delicious > invitation." > > Perhaps the most lasting testimony to Jim's achievement will be the > Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry Festival Audio and Video Archive. Consisting > of over 2,500 hours of audio and video recordings, recorded by > industry professionals to the highest broadcast standards, the Archive > is already one of the most extraordinary records of contemporary > poetry and poets in the world. In the months and years ahead, the > Dodge Poetry Program will work to make as much of this archive > available to as wide an audience as possible, and we will be > considering ways in which the Archive can continue to grow through > newly designed events. The Festival experience itself cannot be > duplicated, but we take heart that it can and will be shared by > students, teachers, poets, and poetry lovers the world over. It is a > remarkable legacy--not yet ended--but one for which Jim Haba has our > everlasting gratitude, respect and affection. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From AlMaginnes at aol.com Fri Jan 16 12:31:49 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Understanding the south Message-ID: Oh good. We in the south are always happy to ourselves explained by a bunch of English academics. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/26ab3659/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Fri Jan 16 12:41:13 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dodge Festival cancelled for 2010, possibly for good In-Reply-To: <4970C284.70705@opus40.org> References: <20090116101149.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.5176bcb4ee.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <4970C284.70705@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CB4618C29F596E-1744-220@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> In this same vein, one of the residencies I'd applied for last summer sent out notice that they did not have the financial means to sponsor a residency this year: the Robert M. MacNamara Foundation.? All applicants got the same form letter saying that the foundation's losses were too great and that they could not finance any residencies this year. I think we'll see more and more situations like this in the next couple of years. Mill -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 9:23 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dodge Festival cancelled for 2010, possibly for good Bad.? ? browning@splitthisrock.org wrote:? > Thought you'd be interested to know that the Dodge Festival is OFF, at > least through 2010, possible for good. Here's a letter from the > organizer with details:? >? > From: David Grant, President and CEO, Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation > Greetings to you all at the beginning of a new year. Some of you may > know that we have reduced the Dodge Foundation's grantmaking budgets > annually since 2002 in an effort to develop a sustainable approach to > grantmaking and initiatives in relation to our assets. During that > period, we have reduced all areas of our giving except for Poetry. The > severity of the recent financial downturn--a 30% decline in > assets--has meant that we must finally reduce that budget as well, at > least for the near future.? >? > I know how much Dodge's work in Poetry means to so many of you, and I > wanted to let you know the Foundation will remain committed to Poetry > as a signature interest. But financial realities are forcing us to > take a different approach to our Poetry activities in 2009 and 2010. > Specifically, and most importantly, we know we will not be able to > produce a Poetry Festival in September 2010 on the scale of past > Festivals. We will maintain much of our work with New Jersey teachers > of poetry this spring, and we will actually expand our efforts to make > the audio and video archives of past Festivals readily available via > YouTube and other means for all who want to enjoy them. Yet we must at > least take a cycle off from the biennial Festival as you have known it > and, depending on how things turn out, we may need to "reinvent" the > Festival on either a more affordable scale or in a more affordable > venue. (Unfortunately, over the last three Festivals, the production > costs have more than doubled, and a mere 20% of the Festival budget > went toward hiring the poets at the very center of the event.) >? > Under these circumstances, our esteemed colleague Jim Haba will move > this year from Poetry Director to Consultant to the Foundation. > His longtime associate Martin Farawell will take on the role of > Program Director for Poetry and lead our efforts with the Archive and > other Poetry initiatives. Neither you nor we have seen the last of > Jim, but I wanted to take this opportunity to acknowledge and > celebrate his remarkable achievements as the guiding spirit behind the > Dodge Poetry Festivals since 1986. First as a consultant working with > the Dodge Founding Executive Director Scott McVay, then later as our > full-time Poetry Director, Jim strove tirelessly to create, in his own > words, "a space in which poetry can assume its rightful place at the > center of our imaginative and emotional lives." The result has been a > singular international poetry event, one which instead of featuring > scholarly papers or professional advice always gave priority to the > simple, direct and profound experience of coming together and > listening to poets and poetry. The late Stanley Kunitz went to the > heart of the matter, I think, when he praised the Festivals' great > democratic spirit. Over the course of its twenty-two year history, > the biennial Festivals drew approximately 140,000 people from 42 > states--including 17,000 teachers and 42,000 high school students who > attended without charge and traveled from as far away as Florida, > Maine, Minnesota and California. The Festivals also gave rise to > several NPR radio programs and five PBS television series, including > The Power of the Word, The Language of Life and Fooling with > Words, all hosted by Bill Moyers and seen by a national audience of > nearly 50 million. >? > From the outset, Jim strove to include poets and audiences from a wide > base of the culture, and to invite unknown and unrecognized voices > from those groups traditionally excluded from the Western canon. He > recognized that America and American poetry could not thrive unless > they had a deeper connection to the poets and poetries of other > cultures, and so poetry-in-translation has been a central feature of > every Festival. Under his leadership, the Festival spawned a > complementary Poetry-in-the-Schools Program that has since sent poets > into every county in New Jersey to work with thousands of teachers and > students. For me, Jim's brief essay in the Dodge Foundation"s 2000 > Annual Report, Slowing Down for Poetry, will always be the best > rationale behind the Foundation's significant (over $13 million since > 1986) and ongoing investment in Poetry as an art form. He describes > how "Poetry redeems our human possibilities," and reminds us in this > frantic modern world: "Image by image, thought by thought, feeling by > feeling, poetry invites us to sink even more deeply into a kind of > 'before' time, at once achingly familiar and exhilaratingly new. Only > by slowing down for poetry can we hope to accept its delicious > invitation."? >? > Perhaps the most lasting testimony to Jim's achievement will be the > Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry Festival Audio and Video Archive. Consisting > of over 2,500 hours of audio and video recordings, recorded by > industry professionals to the highest broadcast standards, the Archive > is already one of the most extraordinary records of contemporary > poetry and poets in the world. In the months and years ahead, the > Dodge Poetry Program will work to make as much of this archive > available to as wide an audience as possible, and we will be > considering ways in which the Archive can continue to grow through > newly designed events. The Festival experience itself cannot be > duplicated, but we take heart that it can and will be shared by > students, teachers, poets, and poetry lovers the world over. It is a > remarkable legacy--not yet ended--but one for which Jim Haba has our > everlasting gratitude, respect and affection.? >? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!? http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The links DO NOT GO LIVE until this SATURDAY 17th January!!! let us know if u are interested ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ PLEASE circulate this INVITATION to PARTICIPATE as widely as you possibly can and PLEASE apologize in advance and accept our apology for any cross-posting and multiple copies of this invitation that you receive. A Radically Inclusive Online Anthology of Responses to the Inauguration of the President-Elect Barack Obama Presenting a monument to tolerance and an experiment in radical democracy: post _ moot will go LIVE on January 17th-21st 2009 - - - right through the Inauguration Easy to take part!! Send ANY and ALL responses to this historic event (no matter what your point of view) . . . in TEXT, POEM, PHOTO, SOUND-FILE, SPEECH, SONG, TWEET and SHORT VIDEO forms. MAKE YOUR Contribution now!! 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A number of events will apparently continue, happily, including the Conference on Poetry & Teaching and the Frost Place Seminar, as well as the Museum itself. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/d652bbc0/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Fri Jan 16 13:15:11 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Understanding the south Message-ID: I'd answer in more detail,Jeff, but I got to go tend my still and soak the cross in kerosene for the rally tonight. Just hope my sheets get back from the cleaners in time... **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(If "leaving" is not s'posed to modify "wife," it ought to have a comma after it, I think.) --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Jan 16 16:33:22 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural poems In-Reply-To: <4970E743.7030600@nut-n-but.net> References: <496FCFF2.1020108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901151611w575bdedeqec8454d65ff18746@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0901160718g19df411cj1f5353132b93c4c5@mail.gmail.com> <4970E743.7030600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901161333s2d0a5c1p24f1f676d8218ff1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot, Bob. Your parenthetical point is correct, and I think a semi-colon's a bit stronger, so will use that. I never would've noticed the confusing bit, so am grateful you mentioned it. Best, Judy 2009/1/16 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> James, inspired by your idea as well as Bob's notion of putting it off >> "till presidents start making speeches about poets", I offer this poem I >> sent to POETRYETC a few days ago: >> >> >> Makars--Makers of Poetry >> >> >> 'knowledge made memorable' >> Old English riddlers >> 'well set up, stand in a bed, >> have a roughish root' >> >> their word-hoard hears blowing branches >> a catch in the swan's neck >> a top cloud throwing wisdom >> to weathered men, sharp-eyed >> ponderers of nature's needs, political turns >> >> all must know the old >> the ships and oars and leaving >> wife on the rock who turns sharp, dry-eyed >> pulls carrots and fear from the earth >> >> none can be blind to heroes' sacrifices, >> or unborn babies die and die >> until they come to term >> through a knowing womb >> >> how to give, how to hear, how to see >> how to tell the trestles of listening folk >> who plow and dig, who turn the earth back >> to a new seed >> >> -------------- >> jbprince >> > Nice job, Judy . . . but I'd change "leaving/ wife" to "wives/ left"--or is > that too standard? (If "leaving" is not s'posed to modify "wife," it ought > to have a comma after it, I think.) > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I never would've > noticed the confusing bit, so am grateful you mentioned it. > > Best, > > Judy Glad to help--and, yes, semi-colon is much better than a comma. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 16 17:28:18 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Understanding the south In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0901161004n43b7071cw80efb4b05ae23147@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0901161004n43b7071cw80efb4b05ae23147@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4640DDA3202E-B2C-676@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> NASCAR roools... So I guess you won't be volunteering to do a session on "Deconstructing 'You know you're a redneck when...': mythological foibles of the rustic ruddy n(ape)d." -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Understanding the south But, Al, you mean to tell me that you didn't know that all of us are backwards, cousin-loving, Jeff-Davis-worshipping, racist, ignorant, and cantankerous cusses?? You didn't know that everybody in the American south fits the same mold? For once, I'd like to see a conference on Northern Studies . . . Halfway kidding, Jeff Newberry On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, wrote: Oh good. We in the south are always happy to ourselves explained by a bunch of English academics. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Blog: ?http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: ?http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090116/132f6c5d/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Jan 16 19:52:16 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:12 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages Message-ID: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> http://thelinguists.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And about his own writing, Stafford said, "I have woven a parachute out of everything broken." -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/cd698b3b/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Jan 17 11:16:21 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/16 > > http://thelinguists.com/ I wrote this ABC Villanelle (thanks for the form, Old Mole) on one such occasion: Chief Marie Smith Jones, 1919-2008 Last native speaker of Eyak Already all there was was what she knew, And now she's dead. The difference is a date Beyond which nothing new can now be said? She was the last who dreamed in Eyak, who Remembered when to speak, why hesitate? Already all there was was what she knew, And forty years of teaching left instead Of living language only its substrate, Beyond which nothing new can now be said. How did it feel to speak her word for "true"? We'll ask, but we can only speculate. Already all there was was what she knew, And maybe "true" for her was simple dread Without a voice her speech would suffocate, Beyond which nothing new can now be said. Not you, nor I?nor anyone?will coo Sweet nothings to a lover in her dead Tongue no child will ever imitate, Beyond which nothing new can now be said. Already all there was was what she knew. From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Jan 17 12:10:06 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 from the Air Message-ID: <497210EE.7020202@opus40.org> Someone just sent me these -- wanted to share them. http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From rewatlingjr at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 12:26:56 2009 From: rewatlingjr at comcast.net (robert e. watling jr) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Michael, for this most poignant expression. How many of these have happened and will happen? We are poorer for each one...rob. On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:16:21 -0800, Michael Snider wrote: > Chief Marie Smith Jones, 1919-2008 > Last native speaker of Eyak > Already all there was was what she knew, > And now she's dead. The difference is a date > Beyond which nothing new can now be said? > She was the last who dreamed in Eyak, who > Remembered when to speak, why hesitate? > Already all there was was what she knew, > And forty years of teaching left instead > Of living language only its substrate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > How did it feel to speak her word for "true"? > We'll ask, but we can only speculate. > Already all there was was what she knew, > And maybe "true" for her was simple dread > Without a voice her speech would suffocate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > Not you, nor I?nor anyone?will coo > Sweet nothings to a lover in her dead > Tongue no child will ever imitate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > Already all there was was what she knew. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Jan 17 12:29:21 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from The Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901170049g47ca6299j1da33758a1c84c60@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901170049g47ca6299j1da33758a1c84c60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <310118FA-2BF5-4DB7-9A64-4A01FC7FAFFF@ripon.edu> Reading further in the Writer's Almanac, we discover that Stafford shares the birthday with Muhammad Ali and Benjamin Franklin. Surely someone should write a poem about this convergence. Stafford could have done it, of course, but probably too late now. . . . Does anyone have David Lehman's number on speed-dial? ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > It's the birthday of the poet William Stafford, (books by this > author) born in Hutchinson, Kansas, in 1914. He usually wrote > poetry in the early morning. He sat down with a pen and paper, > looked out the window, and waited for something to occur to him. He > wrote about farms and winter, about the West and his parents and > cottonwood trees. > > He wrote, > > In the winter, in the dark hours, when others > were asleep, I found these words and put them > together by their appetites and respect for > each other. In stillness, they jostled. They traded > meanings while pretending to have only one. > > And about his own writing, Stafford said, "I have woven a parachute > out of everything broken." > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Someone just sent me these -- wanted to share them. > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore, I offer the following memories of Stafford by Jonathan Holden, "William Stafford: Genius in Camouflage": http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2009/01/william-stafford-genius-in-camouflage.html -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne@valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr@valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 17 16:05:07 2009 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford Message-ID: When he saw the leopard jump, he knew he was poor. - It is legitimate to crawl, after the wings are broken. - Every mountain has that one place when you begin to know it is a mountain. - The cost of epics may ruin all this world. - Lost pioneers were the ones who found the best valleys. - There is such a thing as helping history to get along with its dirty work. - The relish in that blemish. - The day is all one person needs: it is long. - If there is a trail, you have taken a wrong turn. - Selling your poems is a little like selling your prayers. - Everything I say is really inside parentheses. (Except that everything put in parentheses is really outside.) - Water is always ready to learn. - Philosophers, Rabbits: Different ones take different paths through the brambles. - No matter how well or loud you speak, none of the stars will stop to listen. - Why should I worry? I have pens and plenty of paper. - I hear the clock?s little teeth gnawing at time. - A rejection slip: ?This is too good for our readers.? - At first it?s not much of a river. ?William Stafford ?Aphorisms,? In Pieces: An Anthology of Fragmentary Writing (Impassio Press, 2006) edited by Olivia Dresher **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And then he died. Poets built Jerusalem. Therefore, poets have a duty to destroy Jerusalem. If I forget thee, the world will be better off. The tree a cat can get up into, a cat can get down from by itself. --Allen Grossman, Descartes' Loneliness: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/3f5d2ef7/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 16:59:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New York and Nada Gordon Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901171359j74076ed8ia2c9ad37b2dde0a6@mail.gmail.com> Poets need lots of leisurely, playful, friendly time together, and readings should be packed with people in not-very-big spaces. That way the poet gets a lot of "chi" (energy) from the audience and the room starts to sort of vibrate. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/112ae2b0/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jan 17 17:02:02 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB47065CC13E22-1108-13A0@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> I like this poem, Michael..the villanellesque (repititions) works in concert with the theme/subject. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Snider Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:16 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages 2009/1/16 http://thelinguists.com/ I wrote this ABC Villanelle (thanks for the form, Old Mole) on one uch occasion: Chief Marie Smith Jones, 1919-2008 Last native speaker of Eyak lready all there was was what she knew, nd now she's dead. The difference is a date eyond which nothing new can now be said? She was the last who dreamed in Eyak, who emembered when to speak, why hesitate? lready all there was was what she knew, And forty years of teaching left instead f living language only its substrate, eyond which nothing new can now be said. How did it feel to speak her word for "true"? e'll ask, but we can only speculate. lready all there was was what she knew, And maybe "true" for her was simple dread ithout a voice her speech would suffocate, eyond which nothing new can now be said. Not you, nor I?nor anyone?will coo weet nothings to a lover in her dead ongue no child will ever imitate, eyond which nothing new can now be said. lready all there was was what she knew. _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/6ea5fa18/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 17 19:03:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497271CF.40500@nut-n-but.net> I like these sayings of Stafford, James, but (sorry) I gotta say that I find the one about a trail's presence indicating you made a wrong turn odd coming from such a conventional poet. Oddly, I rarely feel like I'm not on some trail! --Bob > When he saw the leopard jump, he knew he was poor. > > - > > It is legitimate to crawl, after the wings are broken. > > - > > Every mountain has that one place when you begin to know it is a mountain. > > - > > The cost of epics may ruin all this world. > > - > > Lost pioneers were the ones who found the best valleys. > > - > > There is such a thing as helping history to get along with its dirty work. > > - > > The relish in that blemish. > > - > > The day is all one person needs: it is long. > > - > > If there is a trail, you have taken a wrong turn. > > - > > Selling your poems is a little like selling your prayers. > > - > > Everything I say is really inside parentheses. (Except that everything > put in parentheses is really outside.) > > - > > Water is always ready to learn. > > - > > Philosophers, Rabbits: Different ones take different paths through the > brambles. > > - > > No matter how well or loud you speak, none of the stars will stop to > listen. > > - > > Why should I worry? I have pens and plenty of paper. > > - > > I hear the clock?s little teeth gnawing at time. > > - > > A rejection slip: ?This is too good for our readers.? > > - > > At first it?s not much of a river. > > > ?William Stafford > ?Aphorisms,? In Pieces: An Anthology of Fragmentary Writing (Impassio > Press, 2006) edited by Olivia Dresher > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/fe7f4512/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Jan 17 20:49:01 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:13 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901171749t47a7f6eal56b7cd49977b5a8c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for these, James. A wild eye and stunning soul. Judy 2009/1/17 > When he saw the leopard jump, he knew he was poor. > > - > > It is legitimate to crawl, after the wings are broken. > > - > > Every mountain has that one place when you begin to know it is a mountain. > > - > > The cost of epics may ruin all this world. > > - > > Lost pioneers were the ones who found the best valleys. > > - > > There is such a thing as helping history to get along with its dirty work. > > - > > The relish in that blemish. > > - > > The day is all one person needs: it is long. > > - > > If there is a trail, you have taken a wrong turn. > > - > > Selling your poems is a little like selling your prayers. > > - > > Everything I say is really inside parentheses. (Except that everything put > in parentheses is really outside.) > > - > > Water is always ready to learn. > > - > > Philosophers, Rabbits: Different ones take different paths through the > brambles. > > - > > No matter how well or loud you speak, none of the stars will stop to > listen. > > - > > Why should I worry? I have pens and plenty of paper. > > - > > I hear the clock's little teeth gnawing at time. > > - > > A rejection slip: "This is too good for our readers." > > - > > At first it's not much of a river. > > > ?William Stafford > "Aphorisms," In Pieces: An Anthology of Fragmentary Writing (Impassio > Press, 2006) edited by Olivia Dresher > > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090117/09e71b21/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 09:00:28 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> *?* Bill Morgan *?* Hoshang Merchant *?* James Finnegan with excellent poems. Shouldn't the links make it through, go here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 (Millicent, this is better, thanks, ...) Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/b8793d95/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 09:08:26 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <8CB47065CC13E22-1108-13A0@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB47065CC13E22-1108-13A0@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901180608q27417263r571edf2a5979c86a@mail.gmail.com> About 14 million people live in the alpine territory. 42 per cent is German mother tongue, 35 per cent Italian, 20 per cent French, 3 per cent Slovene. Moreover, hundreds of linguistic minorities and of other languages survive (Ladin, Patois, Walser, Cimbrian, Mocheno, Proven?al, French- Proven?al ?). Source: Segnali Alpini 1. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:02 PM, wrote: > I like this poem, Michael..the villanellesque (repititions) works in > concert with the theme/subject. > Finnegan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Snider > Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:16 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages > > 2009/1/16 > > > > http://thelinguists.com/ > > > I wrote this ABC Villanelle (thanks for the form, Old Mole) on one > such occasion: > > Chief Marie Smith Jones, 1919-2008 > > Last native speaker of Eyak > > > Already all there was was what she knew, > And now she's dead. The difference is a date > Beyond which nothing new can now be said? > > She was the last who dreamed in Eyak, who > Remembered when to speak, why hesitate? > Already all there was was what she knew, > > And forty years of teaching left instead > Of living language only its substrate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > > How did it feel to speak her word for "true"? > We'll ask, but we can only speculate. > Already all there was was what she knew, > > And maybe "true" for her was si > mple dread > Without a voice her speech would suffocate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > > Not you, nor I?nor anyone?will coo > Sweet nothings to a lover in her dead > Tongue no child will ever imitate, > Beyond which nothing new can now be said. > Already all there was was what she knew. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/1e12ef32/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Jan 18 11:50:39 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901180608q27417263r571edf2a5979c86a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB47065CC13E22-1108-13A0@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70901180608q27417263r571edf2a5979c86a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830901180850v1c96269enc83304f59439dfd0@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Robert, Finnegan. The form is an invention of Tad Richards, our own Old Mole. From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 18 12:10:46 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49736296.90506@opus40.org> Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your anthologies. I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other individual poem if I know what the link is, but no homepage with links to all the poems. If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who was googling "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online journal, I send out a notification to a list of about 400 people -- I don't know if they all actually follow the link, but at least some of them do. And I don't link to my poem, I link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or Valparaiso Review, or whatever. And this means that at least some of the people on my list -- or people who find the link on my blog -- will read not just my poem, but the other work in that issue of the journal. Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? If so, it's not easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. Anny Ballardini wrote: > *?* Bill Morgan > > *?* Hoshang Merchant > > *?* James Finnegan > > > > with excellent poems. > Shouldn't the links make it through, go here: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > > (Millicent, this is better, thanks, ...) > > Anny > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 18 12:11:52 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] vanishing languages In-Reply-To: <6768ac830901180850v1c96269enc83304f59439dfd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB4654FA5707BF-A84-4F0@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> <6768ac830901170816u1154e9b4if21751d26cfd915c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB47065CC13E22-1108-13A0@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70901180608q27417263r571edf2a5979c86a@mail.gmail.com> <6768ac830901180850v1c96269enc83304f59439dfd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497362D8.3050705@opus40.org> It feels like Mike Snider's form now, he's made it sing so beautifully. Michael Snider wrote: > Thanks Robert, Finnegan. The form is an invention of Tad Richards, > our own Old Mole. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 12:33:53 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <49736296.90506@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> You should have it if I was able to get all the links together since the start. I won't be sloppy this time Main index: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in alphabetical order) Here is the Autumn Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 Here is the Winter Anthology: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 Here is the Election Anthology (filed under *While the He/art pants...*): http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, Anny On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your anthologies. > I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other individual poem if I know > what the link is, but no homepage with links to all the poems. > > If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who was googling > "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." > > And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online journal, I send > out a notification to a list of about 400 people -- I don't know if they all > actually follow the link, but at least some of them do. And I don't link to > my poem, I link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or Valparaiso > Review, or whatever. And this means that at least some of the people on my > list -- or people who find the link on my blog -- will read not just my > poem, but the other work in that issue of the journal. > > Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? If so, it's not > easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. > > > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> *?* Bill Morgan < >> http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2856> >> *?* Hoshang Merchant < >> http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2857> >> *?* James Finnegan < >> http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2858> >> >> >> with excellent poems. >> Shouldn't the links make it through, go here: >> >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329< >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 >> > >> >> (Millicent, this is better, thanks, ...) >> >> Anny >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The form is an invention of Tad Richards, >> our own Old Mole. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/98b7c37c/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Jan 18 12:40:19 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> I have to agree with Tad. I think that the navigation could be clearer if the Anthologies had their own separate list (say at the top of the alphabetical list of authors?). I spent quite a while searching for the Autumn anthology one day, till I happened to see it tucked between William James Austin and David Baker--not where I was expecting to find it, and with no bold face or anything to indicate it wasn't just another single author. How about simply repeating the anthology links at the top of the page, while also leaving them where they currently are? Redundancy in such things can be good, when negotiating web sites. Nonetheless, I lift yet another glass in toast to you, Anny, for your indefatigable work and great enthusiasm. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > You should have it if I was able to get all the links together > since the start. I won't be sloppy this time > > Main index: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content > > (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in alphabetical order) > > Here is the Autumn Anthology: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php? > name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 > > Here is the Winter Anthology: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php? > name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > Here is the Election Anthology (filed under While the He/art > pants...): > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php? > name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 > > and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php? > name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 > > thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, > Anny > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole > wrote: > Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your > anthologies. I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other > individual poem if I know what the link is, but no homepage with > links to all the poems. > > If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who was > googling "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." > > And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online journal, > I send out a notification to a list of about 400 people -- I don't > know if they all actually follow the link, but at least some of > them do. And I don't link to my poem, I link to the homepage -- to > Salt River Review, or Valparaiso Review, or whatever. And this > means that at least some of the people on my list -- or people who > find the link on my blog -- will read not just my poem, but the > other work in that issue of the journal. > > Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? If so, > it's not easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/704f93e4/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 12:45:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901180945lff1f5fag1333e30fd9256ea2@mail.gmail.com> Thank you David for your concern. I also know that we need a separate link for the Anthologies. The entire site might go through a major change, maybe this year, hopefully this year. For the time being I filed the material there. I know it is a compromise. And I am sorry for this. Thank you. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, David Graham wrote: > I have to agree with Tad. I think that the navigation could be clearer if > the Anthologies had their own separate list (say at the top of the > alphabetical list of authors?). I spent quite a while searching for the > Autumn anthology one day, till I happened to see it tucked between William > James Austin and David Baker--not where I was expecting to find it, and with > no bold face or anything to indicate it wasn't just another single author. > How about simply repeating the anthology links at the top of the page, > while also leaving them where they currently are? Redundancy in such things > can be good, when negotiating web sites. > > Nonetheless, I lift yet another glass in toast to you, Anny, for your > indefatigable work and great enthusiasm. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > You should have it if I was able to get all the links together since the > start. I won't be sloppy this time > > Main index: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content > > (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in alphabetical order) > > Here is the Autumn Anthology: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 > > Here is the Winter Anthology: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > Here is the Election Anthology (filed under *While the He/art pants...*): > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 > > and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 > > thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, > Anny > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your anthologies. >> I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other individual poem if I know >> what the link is, but no homepage with links to all the poems. >> >> If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who was googling >> "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." >> >> And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online journal, I send >> out a notification to a list of about 400 people -- I don't know if they all >> actually follow the link, but at least some of them do. And I don't link to >> my poem, I link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or Valparaiso >> Review, or whatever. And this means that at least some of the people on my >> list -- or people who find the link on my blog -- will read not just my >> poem, but the other work in that issue of the journal. >> >> Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? If so, it's >> not easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/97bcecf7/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 18 13:14:34 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:14 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901180945lff1f5fag1333e30fd9256ea2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70901180945lff1f5fag1333e30fd9256ea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4973718A.7010407@opus40.org> Anny's site is such a treasure, and it just keeps getting better and better. Do you need any help in redesigning the website, Anny? Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thank you David for your concern. I also know that we need a separate > link for the Anthologies. The entire site might go through a major > change, maybe this year, hopefully this year. > For the time being I filed the material there. > I know it is a compromise. And I am sorry for this. > > Thank you. > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, David Graham > wrote: > > I have to agree with Tad. I think that the navigation could be > clearer if the Anthologies had their own separate list (say at the > top of the alphabetical list of authors?). I spent quite a while > searching for the Autumn anthology one day, till I happened to see > it tucked between William James Austin and David Baker--not where > I was expecting to find it, and with no bold face or anything to > indicate it wasn't just another single author. > > How about simply repeating the anthology links at the top of the > page, while also leaving them where they currently are? > Redundancy in such things can be good, when negotiating web sites. > > Nonetheless, I lift yet another glass in toast to you, Anny, for > your indefatigable work and great enthusiasm. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> You should have it if I was able to get all the links together >> since the start. I won't be sloppy this time >> >> Main index: >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content >> >> (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in alphabetical order) >> >> Here is the Autumn Anthology: >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 >> >> >> Here is the Winter Anthology: >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 >> >> >> Here is the Election Anthology (filed under /While the He/art >> pants.../): >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 >> >> >> and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 >> >> >> thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, >> Anny >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole > > wrote: >> >> Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your >> anthologies. I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other >> individual poem if I know what the link is, but no homepage >> with links to all the poems. >> >> If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who >> was googling "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." >> >> And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online >> journal, I send out a notification to a list of about 400 >> people -- I don't know if they all actually follow the link, >> but at least some of them do. And I don't link to my poem, I >> link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or Valparaiso >> Review, or whatever. And this means that at least some of the >> people on my list -- or people who find the link on my blog >> -- will read not just my poem, but the other work in that >> issue of the journal. >> >> Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? >> If so, it's not easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 13:25:54 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4973718A.7010407@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70901180945lff1f5fag1333e30fd9256ea2@mail.gmail.com> <4973718A.7010407@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901181025k40ff7d92qe0be5f177b76eeb1@mail.gmail.com> Thank You! As you know the site belongs to the Pedagogical Institute and it is technically served by Vanni Barone, the webmaster, and his team. I am the editor of the Corner. Thus a little piece in bigger games. With Vanni Barone we have tried for years now to give it a new face, and we might succeed, some day. Vanni is one of the kindest people on earth. Are you able to design sites, Tad? If and when anything happens I will let Vanni know of your valuable offer. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Anny's site is such a treasure, and it just keeps getting better and > better. > > Do you need any help in redesigning the website, Anny? > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> Thank you David for your concern. I also know that we need a separate link >> for the Anthologies. The entire site might go through a major change, maybe >> this year, hopefully this year. >> For the time being I filed the material there. >> I know it is a compromise. And I am sorry for this. >> >> Thank you. >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu>> wrote: >> >> I have to agree with Tad. I think that the navigation could be >> clearer if the Anthologies had their own separate list (say at the >> top of the alphabetical list of authors?). I spent quite a while >> searching for the Autumn anthology one day, till I happened to see >> it tucked between William James Austin and David Baker--not where >> I was expecting to find it, and with no bold face or anything to >> indicate it wasn't just another single author. >> How about simply repeating the anthology links at the top of the >> page, while also leaving them where they currently are? >> Redundancy in such things can be good, when negotiating web sites. >> >> Nonetheless, I lift yet another glass in toast to you, Anny, for >> your indefatigable work and great enthusiasm. >> >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd@ripon.edu >> >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> You should have it if I was able to get all the links together >>> since the start. I won't be sloppy this time >>> >>> Main index: >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content >>> >>> (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in alphabetical order) >>> >>> Here is the Autumn Anthology: >>> >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 >>> < >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 >>> > >>> >>> Here is the Winter Anthology: >>> >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 >>> < >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 >>> > >>> >>> Here is the Election Anthology (filed under /While the He/art >>> pants.../): >>> >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 >>> < >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 >>> > >>> >>> and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): >>> >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 >>> < >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 >>> > >>> >>> thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, >>> Anny >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole >> > wrote: >>> >>> Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home pages, for your >>> anthologies. I can follow a link to my poem, or to any other >>> individual poem if I know what the link is, but no homepage >>> with links to all the poems. >>> >>> If there was such a link, it could be found by someone who >>> was googling "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." >>> >>> And as you know, when I have a poem published in an online >>> journal, I send out a notification to a list of about 400 >>> people -- I don't know if they all actually follow the link, >>> but at least some of them do. And I don't link to my poem, I >>> link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or Valparaiso >>> Review, or whatever. And this means that at least some of the >>> people on my list -- or people who find the link on my blog >>> -- will read not just my poem, but the other work in that >>> issue of the journal. >>> >>> Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't find it? >>> If so, it's not easy enough to find, because I look pretty hard. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/da785fd3/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 18 14:23:51 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Additions to the Winter Anthology: In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901181025k40ff7d92qe0be5f177b76eeb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901180600h57e2aef5hca747c3102a1839@mail.gmail.com> <49736296.90506@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901180933k63f14d29v10975e86d102e491@mail.gmail.com> <4E149DA0-6191-43EB-94DE-07FF07F8B325@ripon.edu> <4b65c2d70901180945lff1f5fag1333e30fd9256ea2@mail.gmail.com> <4973718A.7010407@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901181025k40ff7d92qe0be5f177b76eeb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497381C7.5060106@opus40.org> Yes, but not really well. I designed the Opus 40 site, and my site, and my grandson's SitClickDrive site -- www.sitclickdrive.org I was actually thinking I'd volunteer the services of a friend of mine, a poet, publisher (mine, among others) and a brilliant web designer. There's a certain amount you could do, though -- I could certainly do this much for you -- without stepping on Vanni's toes. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Thank You! As you know the site belongs to the Pedagogical Institute > and it is technically served by Vanni Barone, the webmaster, and his > team. I am the editor of the Corner. Thus a little piece in bigger > games. With Vanni Barone we have tried for years now to give it a new > face, and we might succeed, some day. > Vanni is one of the kindest people on earth. > Are you able to design sites, Tad? > If and when anything happens I will let Vanni know of your valuable offer. > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM, TheOldMole > wrote: > > Anny's site is such a treasure, and it just keeps getting better > and better. > > Do you need any help in redesigning the website, Anny? > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Thank you David for your concern. I also know that we need a > separate link for the Anthologies. The entire site might go > through a major change, maybe this year, hopefully this year. > For the time being I filed the material there. > I know it is a compromise. And I am sorry for this. > > Thank you. > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, David Graham > > >> wrote: > > I have to agree with Tad. I think that the navigation could be > clearer if the Anthologies had their own separate list (say > at the > top of the alphabetical list of authors?). I spent quite a > while > searching for the Autumn anthology one day, till I happened > to see > it tucked between William James Austin and David Baker--not > where > I was expecting to find it, and with no bold face or > anything to > indicate it wasn't just another single author. > How about simply repeating the anthology links at the top > of the > page, while also leaving them where they currently are? > Redundancy in such things can be good, when negotiating > web sites. > > Nonetheless, I lift yet another glass in toast to you, > Anny, for > your indefatigable work and great enthusiasm. > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > > > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > You should have it if I was able to get all the links > together > since the start. I won't be sloppy this time > > Main index: > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content > > (the anthologies are under: Autumn and Winter, in > alphabetical order) > > Here is the Autumn Anthology: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 > > > > > > Here is the Winter Anthology: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 > > > > > > Here is the Election Anthology (filed under /While the > He/art > pants.../): > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=322 > > > > > > and here is the New Poetry page (under New Poetry): > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 > > > > > > thank you for asking. Have a good Sunday, > Anny > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, TheOldMole > > >> wrote: > > Anny -- why are there no title pages, or home > pages, for your > anthologies. I can follow a link to my poem, or to > any other > individual poem if I know what the link is, but no > homepage > with links to all the poems. > > If there was such a link, it could be found by > someone who > was googling "Winter Poems" or "Autumn Poems." > > And as you know, when I have a poem published in an > online > journal, I send out a notification to a list of > about 400 > people -- I don't know if they all actually follow > the link, > but at least some of them do. And I don't link to > my poem, I > link to the homepage -- to Salt River Review, or > Valparaiso > Review, or whatever. And this means that at least > some of the > people on my list -- or people who find the link on > my blog > -- will read not just my poem, but the other work > in that > issue of the journal. > > Or do you have such a title page, and I just can't > find it? > If so, it's not easy enough to find, because I look > pretty hard. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to > a dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jforjames at aol.com Sun Jan 18 18:28:02 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Al Maginnes reviewed Message-ID: <8CB47DB8A893AAA-9D8-1583@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> Al, I hope that isn't your author photo at the top this page... http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/1371379.html "Ghost Alphabet" is Al Maginnes' fourth full-length collection and winner of the White Pine Press Poetry Prize. As the title suggests, "Ghost Alphabet" is a kind of haunting in that many of the poems contain an often unsettling story or event from the speaker's past. One of the Raleigh resident's strengths as a writer is his ability to seamlessly intertwine meditation and event. A poem that starts with musings about the nature of sanity will get around to a particular person and the speaker's interaction with him. "Sane or mad: who gets to say?" is how "The Voices We Hear" begins. But the poet quickly begins to tell us about Donny Shepard and his troubles with "voices that hiss his name all day." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They reflect his faith in God, in humility and love of life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/898967c9/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sun Jan 18 19:55:49 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Al Maginnes reviewed Message-ID: Not me. But thanks for posting this. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090118/3486e33f/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 06:59:05 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Al Maginnes reviewed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901190359m71b09625r9c043b1093151bca@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations for the Prize. I am wondering about all these Ghosts. I have a Ghost collection forthcoming (Ghost Dance in 33 Movements), and Geraldine Monk has also a collection with Ghost in the title... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:55 AM, wrote: > Not me. But thanks for posting this. > > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/6ec8fe80/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Jan 19 09:07:29 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Al Maginnes reviewed Message-ID: We're a haunted bunch... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/788c7f22/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 19 11:49:46 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry in the Sunshine State (sounds good about this time of year) Message-ID: <8CB486D11AB8430-B64-99F@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/01/19/0119pbpoetry.html PALM BEACH ? Whenever an annual event rolls around, one of the first things people want to know is - what's new? In the case of the fifth annual Palm Beach Poetry Festival, the answer is an art exhibition and an Inauguration Day celebration when members of the public may read original poems up to 14 lines long reflecting on Barack Obama's presidency. ? The festival's format is the same as it's been in other years. Thirteen eminent poets will participate in six days of readings, workshops, talks, panel discussions and other events, starting today and continuing through Saturday at Old School Square in Delray Beach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/39c38c9b/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 19 12:07:29 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" Message-ID: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-dwyre-garton/take-me-to-the-intersecti_b_155276.html Universities have been pondering the intersection of poetry and journalism. In late 2007, Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism in New York City worked with the Chicago-based Poetry Foundation to host "Make It News: A Symposium on Poetry and Journalism." One part of the event examined the "scant coverage" poetry receives in the media. Will the press pay attention to Elizabeth Alexander, the poet for President-elect Barack Obama's Inauguration ? The second part looked at the poet as journalist and the journalist as poet to examine what poets and journalists can learn from each other. The premise of the session: "Increasingly, poets are writing documentary poems that 'report' on an event. Many journalists also turn to poetic prose in order to convey a perspective that cannot otherwise be presented." Symposium planners anticipate both poetic trends will grow. Meanwhile, another scholar traced the history of poet-journalists. W. Dale Nelson, a poet-journalist himself, published a book in 2007 ( Syracuse University Press ) with this subtitled: The Dilemma of the Poet in the Newsroom. He profiles several writers of both poetry and journalism and quotes the late American poet Archibald MacLeish : ". . . young poets are advised by their elders to avoid the practice of journalism as they would wet socks and gin before breakfast." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/a3264b1f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 19 13:56:59 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> But poets ARE asked to declaim poems at some inaugurations. Why has no mathematician ever been asked to declaim an equation at an inauguration? Bob G. From jfq at myuw.net Mon Jan 19 14:00:51 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: They get the field medal On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > But poets ARE asked to declaim poems at some inaugurations. Why > has no mathematician ever been asked to declaim an equation at an > inauguration? > > Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From by.tjmst at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 14:14:10 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:15 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] CARLOS CANSECO , RI PRESIDENT 1984-85 PASSED ON :LIFE AND POETS ALIVE ANNOTATED BY GBEMI TIJANI MST Message-ID: <5908b9b20901191114t370f3d43g173da075fe0dcefa@mail.gmail.com> CONDOLENCES-PASSAGE OF A MEDICAL ALLEGOLOGIST,CARLOS CANSECO,ROTARY INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT,1984-85 ADIEU! FROM GBEMI TIJANI MST,ROTARY CLUB OF OLUYOLE ESTATE,D9130 IBADAN,NIGERIA ...LIFE IS LIKE a flimsy grass Rtn CARLOS CANSECO IS NOT ONLY A FRUITFUL ROTARIAN that helped to form many clubs in his LIFE TIME prior to and after his tenure as ROTARY INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT -the position DON KON LEE now holds till the CENTENNIAL CONVENTION holding in JUNE 2009 AT BIRMINGHAM. CONVENTION CENTER. Carlos IS ALSO A DOGGED SCIENTIST ALLERGIST. There;s no robust indefinite longevity in life -except of course the Homo sapiens that are uniquely endowed to pack in as much activities before their demise or cell death..BARELY few days ago the global Rotary news media on the internet announced the passage of Carlos Canseco,the R.I BOSS FOR 1984-85 SERVICE YEAR.He was very catalytic to the production of the SALK VACCINE that has been used to ALMOST eradicate POLIOMYELITIS globally. till date. Much as the poets work across ages are worthy and wonderful in metaphorising good values in all culture -these witty artists are empowered with the privilege of THE LIVING ENTITY -LIFE in them.-THEY ARE ALIVE.NO WONDER BELIEVERS REECHO DAVID ,the noted psalmist and worshipper that only THE LIVING can praise God.Evidently too only the poets alive can compose, compile,review anthology of poems.The medical and rotary world will miss Cuable earlos indefatiguable energy and boundless zest to serve the Rotary world and their communities . He was a splendid encourager to the SALK VACCINE PATENT. We express condolences to all who missed him -KNOWN AND ANONYMOUS-as an international citizen in this field of endeavour which he coined ALLEGOLOGY.ADIEU! Adieu...to a great Rotarian whose achievements are as interminable in impact as his special travel to heaven.IMay The Ceaator console his wife,Aurora.The name is prophetic just as two professionally incomparable lives-MABEL ADIO & FEHINTOLA AJILE TIJANI far from Mexico had said bad bye to this world full of pyscho-and earthly allergies.Their translation ifurther reinforced that life here is a rotatory stage and translation to INCORRUPTIBLE STATE preferred by the God yhat supreme intelligence that at the BELIEVERS LEVEL ordered this universe. His passage so to speak is an eternal aurora for the next mandatory morphe different from our corrupt cell death or RIGOR MORTIS as Carlos Canseco would have called it while alive.Surely evidently our molecules have limitation to remain immortal. But then IMMORTALITY means being loved by many anonymous souls. ADIEU-CARLOS.... You - helped to prolong many lives As a pioneer allergist As well as a resplendent Rotarian Whose travail was so fecund and flourishing like the palm tree which part and parcel is impossible to waste- Your genes have been perennials Brought forth a complete gender Typical early of Jakob 's household And lately of Sigmund Freud 's Half a dozen impact siblings At Vienna Austria Search for medical seniors like- E.LATUNDE ODEKU,neurosurgeon Benjamin OSUNTOKUN,neurologist T.A.Lambo,world health boss T.F Solanke a Barrister spouse with a general knife- Onabamiro ,of Dracunculus,Medinensis fame, Olayide,psychiatrist don that died Just speechless behind her chauffeur Prior to Yuletide 07@The UCH All have been translated from this end of the globe with a galaxy of accomplishments. Aurora and surviving rotarians shouldn't worry . They are @peace with their essence now No more pathologies or allergies They are inured in God 's love Carlos dead is immortal His immortal is in fellowship With Paul Harris et al And uncountable trillions Since eons of Homo sapiens demise ADIEU Carlos Canseco! gbemi tijani mst, FORMER UNESCO CLUB LEADER,170109 For Rotary Club of oluyole estate D9130 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/caf41002/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 19 14:30:56 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books of Interest: Garden Art of Ian Hamilton Finlay Message-ID: <8CB488395B91E57-E28-3CF@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> http://www.reaktionbooks.co.uk/book.html?id=345 An accomplished Scottish poet, writer, artist and gardener, Finlay infused his garden designs with a distinct aesthetic philosophy and poetic sensibility. John Dixon Hunt situates his analysis of Finlay?s gardens in the context of that broader philosophy and poetic work, drawing on Finlay?s books, prints and other written reflections about the art and practice of garden design. From the Max Planck Institute in Stuttgart to the Serpentine Gallery in London to the University of California at San Diego campus, the book documents how Finlay built an oeuvre of international renown, and ultimately argues that Finlay?s innovations are best understood in the context of the long tradition of European gardens. -- Also, a piece about Finlay in Jacket by Mark Scroggins... http://jacketmagazine.com/15/finlay-by-scroggins.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/97f89628/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 19 14:56:35 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books of Interest: Garden Art of Ian Hamilton Finlay In-Reply-To: <8CB488395B91E57-E28-3CF@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB488395B91E57-E28-3CF@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB48872B2EC8E3-E28-57E@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> I should have noted that I became aware of this publication?thru Mark Scroggins' blog: http://kulturindustrie.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 2:30 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Books of Interest: Garden Art of Ian Hamilton Finlay http://www.reaktionbooks.co.uk/book.html?id=345 An accomplished Scottish poet, writer, artist and gardener, Finlay infused his garden designs with a distinct aesthetic philosophy and poetic sensibility. John Dixon Hunt situates his analysis of Finlay?s gardens in the context of that broader philosophy and poetic work, drawing on Finlay?s books, prints and other written reflections about the art and practice of garden design. From the Max Planck Institute in Stuttgart to the Serpentine Gallery in London to the University of California at San Diego campus, the book documents how Finlay built an oeuvre of international renown, and ultimately argues that Finlay?s innovations are best understood in the context of the long tradition of European gardens. -- Also, a piece about Finlay in Jacket by Mark Scroggins... http://jacketmagazine.com/15/finlay-by-scroggins.html Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman /listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/daff57d4/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 19 15:29:40 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901171749t47a7f6eal56b7cd49977b5a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901171749t47a7f6eal56b7cd49977b5a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB488BCA46D761-E28-7C9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Judy, turns out I forwarded these?to aphorism collector extraordinaire, James Geary. He, too,?liked them...so much that he posted a selection to his blog... http://www.jamesgeary.com/blog/ Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Judy Prince Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford Thanks for these, James. ?A wild eye and stunning soul. Judy 2009/1/17 When he saw the leopard jump, he knew he was poor. ? - ? It is legitimate to crawl, after the wings are broken. ? - ? Every mountain has that one place when you begin to know it is a mountain. ? - ? The cost of epics may ruin all this world. ? - ? Lost pioneers were the ones who found the best valleys. ? - ? There is such a thing as helping history to get along with its dirty work. ? - ? The relish in that blemish. ? - ? The day is all one person needs: it is long. ? - ? If there is a trail, you have taken a wrong turn. ? - ? Selling your poems is a little like selling your prayers. ? - ? Everything I say is really inside parentheses. (Except that everything put in parentheses is really outside.) ? - ? Water is always ready to learn. ? - ? Philosophers, Rabbits: Different ones take different paths through the brambles. ? - ? No matter how well or loud you speak, none of the stars will stop to listen. ? - ? Why should I worry? I have pens and plenty of paper. ? - ? I hear the clock's little teeth gnawing at time. ? - ? A rejection slip: "This is too good for our readers." ? - ? At first it's not much of a river. ? ?William Stafford "Aphorisms," In Pieces: An Anthology of Fragmentary Writing (Impassio Press, 2006) edited by Olivia Dresher A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From the Max Planck Institute > in Stuttgart to the Serpentine Gallery in London to the University of > California at San Diego campus, the book documents how Finlay built an > /oeuvre/ of international renown, and ultimately argues that Finlay?s > innovations are best understood in the context of the long tradition > of European gardens. > > -- > Also, a piece about Finlay in Jacket by Mark Scroggins... > http://jacketmagazine.com/15/finlay-by-scroggins.html Yike, yer in my neighborhood again, James! But thanks! --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Why has >> no mathematician ever been asked to declaim an equation at an >> inauguration? >> >> Bob G. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 19 16:29:53 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford In-Reply-To: <8CB488BCA46D761-E28-7C9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <7db1d01b0901171749t47a7f6eal56b7cd49977b5a8c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB488BCA46D761-E28-7C9@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901191329v2ea1d239ke12702bcbd810583@mail.gmail.com> Wonderful, James. I wish James Geary had included all of the aphorisms you posted for us. I rather enjoyed your blog, 'ursprache', and left a couple comments. Best, Judy 2009/1/19 > Judy, turns out I forwarded these to aphorism collector extraordinaire, > James Geary. He, too, liked them...so much that he posted a selection to his > blog... > http://www.jamesgeary.com/blog/ > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Prince > Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 8:49 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Remembering William Stafford > > Thanks for these, James. A wild eye and stunning soul. > Judy > > 2009/1/17 > >> When he saw the leopard jump, he knew he was poor. >> >> - >> >> It is legitimate to crawl, after the wings are broken. >> >> - >> >> Every mountain has that one place when you begin to know it is a mountain. >> >> - >> >> The cost of epics may ruin all this world. >> >> - >> >> Lost pioneers were the ones who found the best valleys. >> &n bsp; >> - >> >> There is such a thing as helping history to get along with its dirty work. >> >> - >> >> The relish in that blemish. >> >> - >> >> The day is all one person needs: it is long. >> >> - >> >> If there is a trail, you have taken a wrong turn. >> >> - >> >> Selling your poems is a little like selling your prayers. >> >> - >> >> Everything I say is really inside parentheses. (Except that everything put >> in parentheses is really outside.) >> >> - >> >> Water is always ready to learn. >> >> - >> >> Philosophers, Rabbits: Different ones take different paths through the >> brambles. >> >> - >> >> No matter how well or loud you speak, none of the stars will stop to >> listen. >> >> - >> >> Why should I worry? I have pens and plenty of paper. >> >> - >> >> I hear the clock's little teeth gnawing at time. >> >> - >> < /div> A rejection slip: "This is too good for our readers." >> >> - >> >> At first it's not much of a river. >> >> >> ?William Stafford >> "Aphorisms," In Pieces: An Anthology of Fragmentary Writing (Impassio >> Press, 2006) edited by Olivia Dresher >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get instant access to the latest & most popular *FREE* games while you > browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Structuring this loosely around the theme of the Seven Ages of Man from Jaques?s speech in As You Like It, Bate sweeps majestically backwards and forwards in time, moving between history and criticism, appropriating whatever best brings together Shakespeare?s life, work and world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090119/fe570869/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 09:50:05 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901200650y20728f85o980201c6187699ec@mail.gmail.com> And why not readings of the latest in home plumbing and crotch-cleaning and demos of gluten free cooking and coffee table construction? We can have financial analysts reading formulae regarding annual variable interest and tax effects. There's no end to the excitement of the answers to that stimulating question: why not something else? c On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 09:56, Bob Grumman wrote: > But poets ARE asked to declaim poems at some inaugurations. Why has no > mathematician ever been asked to declaim an equation at an inauguration? > > Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Chris Lott From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 20 09:59:01 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901200650y20728f85o980201c6187699ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> <4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901200650y20728f85o980201c6187699ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901200659s744868aaqc2e42350c3d17bcc@mail.gmail.com> You shameless shill. At last a humour writer with teeth. There is a God. Judy 2009/1/20 Chris Lott > And why not readings of the latest in home plumbing and > crotch-cleaning and demos of gluten free cooking and coffee table > construction? We can have financial analysts reading formulae > regarding annual variable interest and tax effects. There's no end to > the excitement of the answers to that stimulating question: why not > something else? > > c > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 09:56, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > But poets ARE asked to declaim poems at some inaugurations. Why has no > > mathematician ever been asked to declaim an equation at an inauguration? > > > > Bob G. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Chris Lott > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/edadc997/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 10:39:28 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901200650y20728f85o980201c6187699ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB486F8B632180-B64-AEF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com><4974CCFB.5050705@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901200650y20728f85o980201c6187699ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4975F030.5090206@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > And why not readings of the latest in home plumbing and > crotch-cleaning and demos of gluten free cooking and coffee table > construction? We can have financial analysts reading formulae > regarding annual variable interest and tax effects. There's no end to > the excitement of the answers to that stimulating question: why not > something else? > > c I was making the point that poets, like mathematicians but unlike the people you mention, are for the intelligent few, not for moron events like the inauguration. So no one should bewail the fact that poets don't always get a place at events like inaugurations. --Bob G. From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 20 11:16:51 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <4975F030.5090206@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I just taught my first class of the semester in my Poetry Aloud course, and we talked a bit about why Presidents might have poets at their inaugural ceremonies. The long view would be that it's for the same reason that so many people reach for poetry at weddings & funerals; and why so many religious traditions ask people to memorize and recite prayers; and why, for that matter, religious texts are often cast in poetic form. Poetry is not only allied with music; it's the perfect form for ritual and ceremony as well. We'll listen in class on Thursday to Elizabeth Alexander's poem, if I can find & figure out how to download it by then. Meanwhile, we also listened to Robert Frost & Maya Angelou, and talked a little about the differences & similarities. On 1/20/09 9:39 AM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > Chris Lott wrote: >> And why not readings of the latest in home plumbing and >> crotch-cleaning and demos of gluten free cooking and coffee table >> construction? We can have financial analysts reading formulae >> regarding annual variable interest and tax effects. There's no end to >> the excitement of the answers to that stimulating question: why not >> something else? >> >> c > I was making the point that poets, like mathematicians but unlike the > people you mention, are for the intelligent few, not for moron events > like the inauguration. So no one should bewail the fact that poets > don't always get a place at events like inaugurations. > > --Bob G. > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jan 20 11:31:18 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:16 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" Message-ID: David, Elizabeth Alexander has a pretty extensive web site. This might be a place to start looking: _http://www.elizabethalexander.net/home.html_ (http://www.elizabethalexander.net/home.html) Al **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This might be a place > to start looking: > > http://www.elizabethalexander.net/home.html > > Al > > > > ------------------------------ > *Inauguration '09*: Get complete coveragefrom the nation's capital. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/12bc6e5b/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 20 12:42:40 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> It wasn't very good. If I were doing it, and I wanted to choose an African-American woman, I would have chosen Marilyn Nelson. But if I were doing it, I would have chosen a formalist. There's nothing like rhyme and meter to convey to a mass audience that it's a poem. Otherwise, it's just a speech, and not as good as Obama's preceding it or Lowery's following it. Jason Quackenbush wrote: > what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry with > shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing. > > it wasn't much of a poem, was it. > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From millb at aol.com Tue Jan 20 12:45:15 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> I think the poem WAS all encompassing, inclusive and covered where our country is at and the highlights of the day.? It caught the tone. It was a national poem. It covered the large and the small.? Written in plain language. Spoken well.? I think it fit the bill for the day but was not great.? Also, the audience did not react or recognize the ending. Which was kind of awkward. Mill -----Original Message----- From: Jason Quackenbush Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 9:32 am Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry with shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing. it wasn't much of a poem, was it. Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/22d758e4/attachment.html From david.weinstock at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 12:43:19 2009 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <437b1e3a0901200943i46fe7358h96c85c27c17147f6@mail.gmail.com> Ah well. She tried. Maybe when I see the text on paper I'll find something in it to love. The truth is, Obama's speech wasn't so hot either, chiefly because it was not a campaign speech but a State of the Union, really. Who was it who said, "We campaign in poetry, but we must govern in prose"? From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 12:53:58 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <648208b60901200953x3c10d661jd81d0513212d766c@mail.gmail.com> Wow, you guys are fast, but I think I was faster walking away from the "poem" a couple of lines in. Poetry-on-demand doesn't often work, does it? - Jim, for free range poets On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry with shots on > CNN of the crowd dispersing. > it wasn't much of a poem, was it. > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jfq at myuw.net Tue Jan 20 12:54:29 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> Message-ID: I dunno, i think there are some non-formalists who would have been a good choice. Sherman Alexie comes to mind. Were it up to me tho, I would have picked a slam poet. Imagine what Saul Williams would have done with the opportunity? On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:42 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > It wasn't very good. > > If I were doing it, and I wanted to choose an African-American > woman, I would have chosen Marilyn Nelson. > > But if I were doing it, I would have chosen a formalist. There's > nothing like rhyme and meter to convey to a mass audience that it's > a poem. Otherwise, it's just a speech, and not as good as Obama's > preceding it or Lowery's following it. > > > Jason Quackenbush wrote: >> what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry >> with shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing. >> >> it wasn't much of a poem, was it. >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jfq at myuw.net Tue Jan 20 12:55:38 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <437b1e3a0901200943i46fe7358h96c85c27c17147f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <437b1e3a0901200943i46fe7358h96c85c27c17147f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B813639-3663-42A0-9CE3-A8A6A38818DF@myuw.net> I didn't really pick up an "ask not what your country can do for you" or "nothing to fear but fear itself" moment, although there were a few turns of phrase that came close. On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:43 AM, David Weinstock wrote: > Ah well. She tried. Maybe when I see the text on paper I'll find > something in it to love. The truth is, Obama's speech wasn't so hot > either, chiefly because it was not a campaign speech but a State of > the Union, really. Who was it who said, "We campaign in poetry, but we > must govern in prose"? > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 20 12:57:28 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901200957v8137492q724a759310222b30@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Al. She acquitted herself well. The POET of the inaugural, tho, I think, was the preacher who said the benediction. His well considered words were fire, wisdom, joy, humour---the deep strong reminders of truth and faith. Best, Judy 2009/1/20 > David, > > Elizabeth Alexander has a pretty extensive web site. This might be a place > to start looking: > > http://www.elizabethalexander.net/home.html > > Al > > > > ------------------------------ > *Inauguration '09*: Get complete coveragefrom the nation's capital. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/d2fa04f6/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 20 12:59:18 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a transcript from the Congressional Quarterly. No line breaks, of course, but it's all I could find on short notioce. CQ Transcriptswire SPEAKER: ELIZABETH ALEXANDER, POET [*] ALEXANDER: Praise song for the day. Each day we go about our business, walking past each other, catching each others? eyes or not, about to speak or speaking. All about us is noise. All about us is noise and bramble, thorn and din, each one of our ancestors on our tongues. Someone is stitching up a hem, darning a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, repairing the things in need of repair. Someone is trying to make music somewhere with a pair of wooden spoons on an oil drum with cello, boom box, harmonica, voice. A woman and her son wait for the bus. ALEXANDER: A farmer consider the changing sky; A teacher says, ?Take out your pencils. Begin.? We encounter each other in words, Words spiny or smooth, whispered or declaimed; Words to consider, reconsider. We cross dirt roads and highways that mark the will of someone and then others who said, ?I need to see what?s on the other side; I know there?s something better down the road.? We need to find a place where we are safe; We walk into that which we cannot yet see. Say it plain, that many have died for this day. Sing the names of the dead who brought us here, who laid the train tracks, raised the bridges, picked the cotton and the lettuce, built brick by brick the glittering edifices they would then keep clean and work inside of. Praise song for struggle; praise song for the day. Praise song for every hand-lettered sign; The figuring it out at kitchen tables. Some live by ?Love thy neighbor as thy self.? Others by first do no harm, or take no more than you need. What if the mightiest word is love, love beyond marital, filial, national. Love that casts a widening pool of light. Love with no need to preempt grievance. In today?s sharp sparkle, this winter air, anything can be made, any sentence begun. On the brink, on the brim, on the cusp -- praise song for walking forward in that light. END .ETX Jan 20, 2009 12:34 ET .EOF Source: CQ Transcriptions ? 2009, Congressional Quarterly Inc., All Rights Reserved On 1/20/09 11:54 AM, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: > I dunno, i think there are some non-formalists who would have been a > good choice. Sherman Alexie comes to mind. Were it up to me tho, I > would have picked a slam poet. Imagine what Saul Williams would have > done with the opportunity? > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:42 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> It wasn't very good. >> >> If I were doing it, and I wanted to choose an African-American >> woman, I would have chosen Marilyn Nelson. >> >> But if I were doing it, I would have chosen a formalist. There's >> nothing like rhyme and meter to convey to a mass audience that it's >> a poem. Otherwise, it's just a speech, and not as good as Obama's >> preceding it or Lowery's following it. >> >> >> Jason Quackenbush wrote: >>> what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry >>> with shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing. >>> >>> it wasn't much of a poem, was it. >>> >>> Jason Quackenbush >>> jfq@myuw.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! >> http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From pmetres at jcu.edu Tue Jan 20 13:01:23 2009 From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] another inaugural poem Message-ID: <20090120130123.CEC40790@mirapoint.jcu.edu> "Letter to Barack Obama (Solstice, 2008)" by Philip Metres (pmetres@jcu.edu) Yes, you?ll need to stay alive to the possibilities of disappointing us, who believe you?d change everything & yesterday. To dodge bullets, those ballots of the disaffected & the entrenched, their undisclosed locations in our collective mind. To stare whole buildings back from rubble of foreclosure & condemnation, stand watch over bridges to nowhere we?ve never known, & always someone?s somewhere. To end stop /loss & unlawful combatants, extraordinary renditions & waterboarding, the cool abstractions that make torture into Pet Sounds. You?ll need to pierce the wall of sound that power makes, or tent yourself in your living room & slowly go mad. Stay long enough that we grow used to you, scion of the globe, become mundane as a dollar, flawed, iconic, yet alive. So when you?re called to kill in our name, like a lover who?s slept with another, we?ll never let you live it down, though we will never leave. Nor forgive. Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com From jfq at myuw.net Tue Jan 20 13:13:32 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] another inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <20090120130123.CEC40790@mirapoint.jcu.edu> References: <20090120130123.CEC40790@mirapoint.jcu.edu> Message-ID: <7571409C-D2EB-43BA-AAF0-A9E765637D80@myuw.net> I wrote one too: Poem About a New President for Sasha and Malia Obama How many colors might be found within where in yr new digs things aren't so monochrome as it gets on the outside and now not so much the things as they might have been. I watched you on TV when I was there sort of early still on the west coast in my work day and tho things could still be described as tense the silver of it all can be cleary seen. those brass deals sound better like bell like stuff sometimes is better brass there's a reason we don't sing out the voices of those gilded ornaments hanged pretty but not so crystalline. harder metal maybe, but needed here is the clear sound that rings a bit like where does papa obama get that accent from in hawaii i wonder and well so we'll see later today whether it matters so much. I'm having some chicken for lunch I think, maybe a diet pepsi and a cigarette. I'm wearing sneakers and working from home. We'll see where my coming time of service takes me. We'll see which way it all went. On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Philip Metres wrote: > "Letter to Barack Obama (Solstice, 2008)" by Philip Metres > (pmetres@jcu.edu) > > > Yes, you?ll need to stay alive > to the possibilities > of disappointing us, who believe > you?d change everything > > & yesterday. To dodge bullets, > those ballots of the disaffected > & the entrenched, > their undisclosed locations > > in our collective mind. To stare > whole buildings back > from rubble of foreclosure > & condemnation, stand watch > > over bridges to nowhere > we?ve never known, & always > someone?s somewhere. To end stop > /loss & unlawful > > combatants, extraordinary > renditions & waterboarding, > the cool abstractions that make > torture into Pet Sounds. > > You?ll need to pierce the wall > of sound that power makes, > or tent yourself in your living > room & slowly go mad. Stay long > > enough that we grow > used to you, scion of the globe, > become mundane as a dollar, > flawed, iconic, yet alive. > > So when you?re called to kill > in our name, like a lover > who?s slept with another, > we?ll never let you live > > it down, though we will > never leave. Nor forgive. > > Philip Metres > Associate Professor > Department of English > John Carroll University > 20700 N. Park Blvd > University Heights, OH 44118 > phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) > fax: (216) 397-1723 > http://www.philipmetres.com > http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 13:14:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander on today's Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901201014j2aefcf34pd4b54979afa97847@mail.gmail.com> Ars Poetica #100: I Believe by Elizabeth Alexander Poetry, I tell my students, is idiosyncratic. Poetry is where we are ourselves, (though Sterling Brown said "Every 'I' is a dramatic 'I'") digging in the clam flats for the shell that snaps, emptying the proverbial pocketbook. Poetry is what you find in the dirt in the corner, overhear on the bus, God in the details, the only way to get from here to there. Poetry (and now my voice is rising) is not all love, love, love and I'm sorry the dog died. Poetry (here I hear myself loudest) is the human voice, and are we not of interest to each other? "Ars Poetica #100: I Believe" by Elizabeth Alexander, from *American Sublime *. (c) Graywolf Press, 2005. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just kidding. My preference actually is for music. But all I know for absolute certain is that it is not politics. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 13:40:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49761AB8.6090708@nut-n-but.net> Well, except for a few patches of poetic diction, it's a nicely stated set of platitudes. --Bad Robert. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 13:44:37 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <49761B95.6030009@nut-n-but.net> Yikes, I may have liked it better than anyone else here. That may finally stop my stupid posts! (I didn't hear it, just read what David had in his post. Didn't know the inauguration was already over.) --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 13:49:30 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:17 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49761CBA.2000501@nut-n-but.net> Millicent Accardi wrote: > I think the poem WAS all encompassing, inclusive and covered where our > country is at and the highlights of the day. It caught the tone. It > was a national poem. It covered the large and the small. Didn't cover mathematicians. > Written in plain language. Spoken well. I think it fit the bill for > the day but was not great. Also, the audience did not react or > recognize the ending. Which was kind of awkward. > > > Mill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Quackenbush > Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 9:32 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem > > what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry with > shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing. > > it wasn't much of a poem, was it. > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > = > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/2d91afca/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 13:47:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] "wet socks and gin before breakfast" In-Reply-To: <497618E3.2090208@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70901200923u20574402l4d5a6cdc5a1e19d4@mail.gmail.com> <497618E3.2090208@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901201047q682df02byeced01c7af9aa93@mail.gmail.com> As you know, Bob, I agree with you on Mathematics, and on Music, and on Poetry, and on politics... On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> They called me to speak on the local German radio about the election and >> so forth and I tried to think of something intelligent to say about the >> Election Anthology and the Elections and I came up with the outlook that >> poetry presents which is the best humanity has to offer. They naturally cut >> my philosophical speculations, but it was nice anyhow to listen to my voice >> this morning speaking half in German (I can barely remember a few words but >> I understood the questions) and English. >> >> Just to continue my hostilities to Everybody, Anny, but it's mathematics > that presents to best that humanity has to offer! Just kidding. My > preference actually is for music. But all I know for absolute certain is > that it is not politics. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/54cc08d6/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 20 13:52:09 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CB4947550829DC-16CC-453@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com> Actually Marilyn Nelson wrote a poem for the inauguration. It was printed on the front page of the Hartford Courant today with this story... http://www.courant.com/news/elections/hc-inauguralpoet0120.artjan20,0,1098303.story?page=1 Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem It wasn't very good.? ? If I were doing it, and I wanted to choose an African-American woman, I would have chosen Marilyn Nelson.? ? But if I were doing it, I would have chosen a formalist. There's nothing like rhyme and meter to convey to a mass audience that it's a poem. Otherwise, it's just a speech, and not as good as Obama's preceding it or Lowery's following it.? ? Jason Quackenbush wrote:? > what i found most effective was the combination of poor poetry with > shots on CNN of the crowd dispersing.? >? > it wasn't much of a poem, was it.? >? > Jason Quackenbush? > jfq@myuw.net ? >? >? >? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 20 14:42:09 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: If I were ranking Inaugural poems, I'd have to give the nod to Robert Frost for first place, with "The Gift Outright." But if we disqualify that poem and go with the one he actually wrote for the occasion but failed to deliver, he drops to fourth place. The worst poem ever. . . . Second place would be Miller Williams, followed by Elizabeth Alexander and Maya Angelou. I thought Alexander's poem was far from great, both flat and obvious, but on the whole not bad, given the occasion. Of course one hopes for far more at such a time, unreasonably enough. Still, I know I could not have written a better one myself, and I also know that if Walt Whitman himself had appeared and recited "When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom'd," we'd now be listening to a swarm of mosquitos offering their sage criticism. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/a1f9d319/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:54:44 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Nothing like a bunch of poet types failing to find an inaugural poem that comes up to their exalted expectations. My thought on it: not bad as such things go. Hal -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Nothing like a bunch of poet types failing to find an inaugural poem that > comes up to their exalted expectations. > > My thought on it: not bad as such things go. > > Hal > > -- > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@earthlink.net > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/f196ca83/attachment.html From millb at aol.com Tue Jan 20 15:15:16 2009 From: millb at aol.com (Millicent Accardi) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901201201m2e6cd525sd47ea4261c2bd88d@mail.gmail.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <4b65c2d70901201201m2e6cd525sd47ea4261c2bd88d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4952F1A90752-254-978@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> I didn't think Alexander's poem was bad, just not as moving as Obama's speech or the benediction or Aretha.? All of those made me cry.? But, there was pretty tough competition for tears this morning.? A part of me is JUST so grateful we have a president who is thoughtful. I nearly screamed when Obama used the word "prudent" and didn't botch it or stare into space as if he had no idea what the word meant. Cheers, Millicent -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem I agree with David who said that Obama's inaugural speech was better than Alexander's poem. I just listened to his speech, he moved me. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: Nothing like a bunch of poet types failing to find an inaugural poem that comes up to their exalted expectations. My thought on it: not bad as such things go. Hal -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luxembourg Bus : 21 ? 27 ? 38 ? 58 ? 63 ? 75 ? 84 ? 86 ? 89. Parking Saint-Sulpice Pr?sentation de l'ouvrage collectif : "Regards sur la po?sie du XX? si?cle" (sous la direction de Laurent FELS, paru aux Presses universitaires de Namur, ISBN : 978-2-930378-61-9, 580 pages). Quelques po?tes trait?s : Ion Barbu - Henry Bauchau - Samuel Beckett - Yvonne Caroutch - Paul Celan - Blaise Cendrars - Andr?e Chedid - Lucie Delarue-Mardrus - Andr? Du Bouchet - T.S. Eliot - N?zim Hikmet - Philippe Jaccottet - Henri Michaux - Gaston Miron - Bernard No?l - Jacques Pr?vert - Pierre Reverdy - Saint-John Perse - L?opold S?dar Senghor - Jude St?fan - Salah St?ti?? Vous trouverez dans le Bulletin de la Maison des Pages n?13 une pr?sentation d?taill?e du livre ainsi que la table des mati?res, et l'?tude de Camille AUBAUDE sur Yvonne CAROUTCH dans la revue Temporel (envoi sur demande). Courriel : camille.aubaude@wanadoo.fr Presses universitaires de Namur 13, Rempart de la Vierge B-5000 Namur (Belgique) T?l.: (0032) 81 72 48 84 Fax : (0032) 81 72 49 12 pun@fundp.ac.be http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.pun.be -------------------- -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm inclined to agree with Bob, that if we're doing Religious Ritual, we ought to have a mathematician chanting a mantra. Robin From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jan 20 15:25:16 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem Message-ID: My wife said, "He didn't say 'nu-ku-lar.'" **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/84b8af60/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 15:34:30 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:18 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: ... Inaugural poems ought to be retrospective [in the sense of written after the event, otherwise they run the risk of, among other things, upstaging the Presidential Speech] ... (the Elizabeth Alexander phenomenon seems to be recapitulating the worst aspects of insisting that the UK poets laureate write odes on Royal Births). Inaugural Poem for Lincoln -- "Oh say can you see by the dawn's early light ..." ... but *that was written after the event. ... as was Whitman "Crossing the Bar." Come to think of it, the Inaugural Mathimatiku for JFK ought to have been, "E=MC2". Robin From gejs1 at rochester.rr.com Tue Jan 20 15:49:07 2009 From: gejs1 at rochester.rr.com (Gerald Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: Poetry and prayer parallels of invocation much the way that, say, Lorenzo Thomas' work is, I must say Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery's Benediction was more poetry than Alexander delivered, proving in full that POETRY SPEAKS A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE akin to prayer. The benediction, like authentic poetry, was an activity. It activated. I am less concerned here, at the start, about what one prays -the creed of prayer-than that one begins an inner life of words, praying, or poetry, and that one finds a certain attitude of inner life. This can be found by at the very start of Lowery's work, of his saying focal words, using even secular prayers, including a poetics, even for those of us who have not found God, grace, a religion, or a church. If his benediction was not petry, it is like poetry, like swimming--one has, sometime, to jump into the words or water and hope that something will be there. That something will hold one up. One has to learn the strokes, maybe, on dry land beforehand. His prayer itself opened the dimension of the other, of the higher or the divine. Like an authentic poem, one prayer, is like one grain of sand on the beach-it starts the dialogue. Alexander's poem, without its focus words, was poetry that cannot help a person in the direction that leads to prayer: that of wholeness, or healing, which is the secret realm of holiness. Lowery's poem/prayer begins with the cultivation of an attitude, not just in stillness or some strange church, and this is where his poetry can help prayer: What is the magic word? You need not be a church person, an Muslim, a Jew, or a Christian to say this poem, or even a believer, but it can invoke the same attitude of reverence or relaxation response -that prayer awakes in a person. Lowery evoked a poetry activating the memory, attitude, and perception, and it may be a good beginning or refresher for persons interested in eliciting the peace, power, and the active inner life of prayer. After all, prayer and poetry originally come from the same place, and much early poetry was sacred. Poetry, like prayer, accompanied ceremonies both at the temple and at the court. They were observances of the priest and king. They had the function of ritualizing, raising, and celebrating a sense of higher life. They were a training and discipline of inner attitude towards public and divine and even supernatural events. They were the developers of the culture. Alexander failed to recapture some of these beginnings of us and the world through both poetry and prayer. Poetry, from the Greek word poesis (to make), like prayer from the Sanskrit word pras or prcchati (for asking), often calls on unseen powers and addresses nature, the lover, time, or the West Wind as Thou. This is the mood of invocation. It is, philosophically and grammatically, the vocative relation: the poet calls out "0 Thou" to the universe. It is the grammatical case, the vocative, in inflected languages which calls out or invokes. This vocative relation-the grammar of calling out-is a personalizing, a connectedness with destiny, death, love and chance, shared by prayer and poetry alike. The vocative relation, or mood of invocation, is the calling out of the soul to life itself, be it the West Wind, Joy, the fountains and meadows, or love, or time, or even death. Alexander's poem, though well-constructed, accomplished none of this. Lowery, in his inner life, impersonated the world, and all poetry is a kind of prayer to the universe. Lowery's prayer, can be memorized poems and repeated, revealing an inner landscape that can offset the evil, trouble, and turmoil of everyday life, the kind dished up for us by the past eight years of the previous failure of an administration. Lowery's Benediction set the mood of invocation, waking up the inner dependence we have on beauty, truth, and goodness, and will go farther than Alexander's poem to help us actually create it. It put us between a prayer and a meditation. The attitude of the soul, the poem, enlivens the moment. This is the kind of waking up of the inner life that the vocative relation, whether addressed to God or no, can bring. The Benediction more than the poem invoked meaning, which is indeed, the interface between prayer and meditation. In meaning we make an effort not just with the heart but also with the mind to awaken the sense of words so that as we repeat the formula or poem, we are discovering thought afresh. Lowery's poem/prayer works, too, because he realizes the outward world changes. Days change. But the word Grace, constantly repeated, can measure all vicissitudes. It is the same with poems that we have internalized, making life ours in an inward song that no outer circumstances can change. This is that inward landscape of the relaxation response that can be such a great relief against stress, effecting even musculoskeletal, fight-or-flight, and psycho-immunological symptoms. Here Lowery addressed his love. The attitude of the poem is a prayer. Alexander's poem failed to activate the inward life. It had no sense of what it means to build soul out of words, memory, repetition, and attitude. Absent was a kind of undertone, as if the mind were whispering to itself, to love, to destiny, to the universe. There was no inward speech, whether prayer or poem, between language and thought. The Benediction poem was part prayer, part meditation. We can pray it, but we can also meditate it. Right now, we need this kind of meditation to help us crawl our of our nightmare. It is, on the whole, possible to meditate poetry and, as Re. Dr. Lowery did, to poeticize a meditation into a prayer. Gerald Schwartz > Nothing like a bunch of poet types failing to find an inaugural poem that > comes up to their exalted expectations. >>> > > Well, inaugural poems are basically part of a (secular) religious > ritual. > > Way it goes ... > > << > My thought on it: not bad as such things go. >>> > > Was there an Inaugural Poet before (as it appears -- this seems to be the > time-scheme) Frost tapped Kennedy for the place? > > ... and Kennedy was worried that Frost might upstage him ... > > ... but that was before Frost lost his notes in the > wind. > > > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob, that if we're doing Religious Ritual, we > ought to have a mathematician chanting a mantra. > > Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 15:46:46 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <610652B4B83247C99471A428628384DA@RobinPC> The immediate is the spectacle -- on this day, anything which distracts from President Obama's own words would be a distraction. There's a time and place for poetry, but it isn't being coerced into the pageant of the panoply of the secular ritual. Later, the quiet whispers of poetry will resonate in the corridors of eternity. To soon yet to say what those words will be ... Robin From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 20 15:50:10 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> Well they could have hired Daniel Tammet, the autistic savant, to recite pi to the 200 and wotsit thousandth place from memory. It only takes him five hours. That would have given the ceremony a suitable solemnity. Grin Dave -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 15:55:25 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC> > Well they could have hired Daniel Tammet, the autistic savant, to recite > pi to the 200 and wotsit thousandth place from memory. It only takes him > five hours. ... > Dave dave, aren't you confusing autistic savant with idiot savant, crossed with an eidetic memory? If he was working it out as he went, he was an idiot savant (many of whom seem to have been autistic), if reciting, he had a *good memory. As Pound said in another context, "(good) Dichten (is condensed)." Me, I'm sticking by EMC2. Robin From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 16:03:57 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <610652B4B83247C99471A428628384DA@RobinPC> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <610652B4B83247C99471A428628384DA@RobinPC> Message-ID: <49763C3D.8090509@nut-n-but.net> > > Later, the quiet whispers of poetry will resonate in the corridors of > eternity. > > To soon yet to say what those words will be ... Except that we do know they won't be words, Robin, they'll be mathematical terms!!!! In stupifying colors. . . . --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 16:08:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <49763D5B.10807@nut-n-but.net> David Bircumshaw wrote: > Well they could have hired Daniel Tammet, the autistic savant, to > recite pi to the 200 and wotsit thousandth place from memory. It only > takes him five hours. > > That would have given the ceremony a suitable solemnity. > > Grin > > Dave > Actually, if he started it before the ceremony, continued it through the ceremony, and after the ceremony ended, it wouldda be kinda neat, I think. It'd certainly give people more to think about than the ceremony did. --Bob G. From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Jan 20 16:10:15 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:45:29 PM Central Standard Time, gejs1@rochester.rr.com writes: > > It is, on the whole, possible to meditate poetry and, as Re. Dr. Lowery did, > > to poeticize a meditation into a prayer. > > Gerald Schwartz Re. poem vs. benediction, it's the difference between talk and rhetoric. And I mean rhetoric in the positive sense, which King and Kennedy understood. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In stupifying colors. . . . > > --Bob Um -- the verbal metaphorical implications of Godel's Theorem still don't seem to me to have been {fully} (metaphorically) explored -- you stick to Godel Numbers and I'll brood on the implications of an open-ended system. {Hey, did you check out the JDH article on IHF? I have too much previous on this to touch it. } (Not Ian) [Robin] Hamilton (Finlay) From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jan 20 16:25:34 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901201226g536bf571laf882856181cb9b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0367D91BAD80458AB45D2839F1E7015C@win.louisiana.edu> Halvard, "Such things go" . . . usually on four or more legs. J You're a nice man. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/6a9ff8d1/attachment.html From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 20 16:47:39 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> <8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC> Message-ID: <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> Rob Nope, Tammet, is an +autistic+ savant, his own self-description,and certainly not an idiot, as, if you'd ever heard him speak, you'd know. btw dichten does not equal condensare, as Mchael Hamburger rather nicely pointed out in 'The Truth of Poetry'. Pound was half-baked and wrong as usual in that. Best Dave >> Well they could have hired Daniel Tammet, the autistic savant, to >> recite pi to the 200 and wotsit thousandth place from memory. It only >> takes him five hours. > ... >> Dave > > dave, aren't you confusing autistic savant with idiot savant, crossed > with an eidetic memory? > > If he was working it out as he went, he was an idiot savant (many of > whom seem to have been autistic), if reciting, he had a *good memory. > > > > As Pound said in another context, "(good) Dichten (is condensed)." > > Me, I'm sticking by EMC2. > > Robin -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Tue Jan 20 16:49:25 2009 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901201341i10770ba0u4ae0eff089e23fc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901201341i10770ba0u4ae0eff089e23fc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9711439ECDD72@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> Based on what I have read so far, it's in line with what I know of praise poetry in the African tradition. From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:41 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander It is a good poem: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/ and she was precise and clear. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lowery's benediction with its cadence--and meter-- was rhetoric made poetry, especially as it answered the question: How do I keep in view the three audiences who have an interest in this work - the general human audience, which needs the edification and instruction the work offers; my self, who "uses" this work as a way to be with God, (as in "the Quiddite" and God, the very interested audience, and the inspiration of all prayer, meditation, and spiritual exhortation?(1) Contemporary rhetorics (sometimes King, but mostly Kennedy, Cuomo, etc.) provided rationales and methods for dealing with the above audiences separately,(2) but none deployed the poetics of playing to all three audiences simultaneously. I'd contend that Lowery's poem/prayer habitually signals its awareness that a tripartite audience - others, self, and God - is listening, even when a prayer/poem is directed to only one part of it. Much of Lowery's poem/prayer demonstrated the difficulty of accommodating the needs of a multiple audience by continually shifting its view, sometimes seemingly unconsciously, sometimes nervously (I'm thinking here of all the Brights in listening range), from one part of the threefold audience to another. Many moments of the prayer/poem directed ostensibly only to the self(3) or only to God, for instance, also have various ways of remembering the human audience. Certainly, Alexander's poem often appeared to forget or neglect and then only to remember suddenly one or another part of the multiple audience. I will argue that shifting among the threefold audience, sometimes seemingly unconsciously, is always a conscious rhetorical maneuver a maneuver of poetry and prayer. Lowery acknowledged his multiple audience, demonstrating the difficulty in taking the appropriate stance toward all three at once, and then used the tension born of this difficulty to be more effective in an important part of his poetic/benedictory vocation - instructing and edifying his readers. Lowery's paradigm for this stance may very well be derived especially from the biblical scholar and preacher that he is. Gerald Schwartz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/e81ad7b5/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 16:55:02 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901201341i10770ba0u4ae0eff089e23fc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70901201341i10770ba0u4ae0eff089e23fc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <805C10DFFAED4BA693B26B697600783B@RobinPC> Anny said: << It is a good poem: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/ and she was precise and clear. >> I've just finally listened to it, and it was -- how to say this? -- it was a tissue of platitudes. Par for the course ... (Not that the UK professional laureates have an any better scoring record, but perhaps the best thing that poets can do if asked to participate in this is simply to refuse.) Robin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 17:14:19 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> <8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: dave: > Rob > > Nope, Tammet, is an +autistic+ savant, his own self-description,and > certainly not an idiot, as, if you'd ever heard him speak, you'd know. Gugh??? {Incidentally, as you bloody well know, "idiot savant" is a separate concept from a pure idiot. As Alan Jackson said in a poem somewhere: The minister is not an idiot: Idiots are freelance. } > btw dichten does not equal condensare, as Michael Hamburger rather nicely > pointed out in 'The Truth of Poetry'. Pound was half-baked and wrong as > usual in that. Um, yeah, even my minimal language skills allow me to notice that "Dichten" is simply a word for "to speak" and Pound added (followed by the mathematical sign, "=") {to} "condense". Good speaking [quoth Pound] is condensed speech -- I'd have thought you'd be the last to argue with that. Robin {And just to carry this confused argument even further, Pound's "Dichten=condensed" remark in _The ABC Of Reading_ was a reflex of his reading of the Fenellosa manuscripts. R.} From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 17:35:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> > > Good speaking [quoth Pound] is condensed speech -- I'd have thought > you'd > be the last to argue with that. > > > > Robin > > {And just to carry this confused argument even further, Pound's > "Dichten=condensed" remark in _The ABC Of Reading_ was a reflex of his > reading of the Fenellosa manuscripts. > Just tt get another hostility in before day's end: everything Pound said about poetry was half-baked--and therefore only ten times more intelligent than what just about everyone else of the time was saying. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 17:37:44 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><610652B4B8324 7C99471A428628384DA@RobinPC><49763C3D.8090509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49765238.5020705@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: >>> Later, the quiet whispers of poetry will resonate in the corridors >>> of eternity. >>> >>> To soon yet to say what those words will be ... >> >> Except that we do know they won't be words, Robin, they'll be >> mathematical terms!!!! In stupifying colors. . . . >> >> --Bob > > Um -- the verbal metaphorical implications of Godel's Theorem still > don't seem to me to have been {fully} (metaphorically) explored -- you > stick to Godel Numbers and I'll brood on the implications of an > open-ended system. > > {Hey, did you check out the JDH article on IHF? I have too much > previous on this to touch it. } > > (Not Ian) [Robin] Hamilton (Finlay) > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Thanks for the reminder, Robin--one of too many things I meant to check out but forgot to. Bobin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 17:43:44 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> <4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> > Just tt get another hostility in before day's end: everything Pound said > about poetry was half-baked--and therefore only ten times more > intelligent than what just about everyone else of the time was saying. > > --Bob G. Hey, Bob, T.E.Hulme wasn't always wrong! {Pound even published his collected within +Personae+!!!} Robin From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 20 18:09:06 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9711439ECDD72@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> References: <4b65c2d70901201341i10770ba0u4ae0eff089e23fc1@mail.gmail.com> <8AB6AE105E0CE34EA7047DA0D6F0A9711439ECDD72@lrccd-exch08.LRCCD.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <49765992.5060405@opus40.org> I thiink it reads better than it played. Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote: > > Based on what I have read so far, it?s in line with what I know of > praise poetry in the African tradition. > > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Anny Ballardini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:41 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander > > It is a good poem: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/ > > and she was precise and clear. > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Jan 20 18:11:58 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> Message-ID: "The bland was ours before we were the . . ." Ah well, enough. From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 18:09:43 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> <4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6031E41DB2FE4E02B73925E7C514EA0C@RobinPC> > Just tt get another hostility in before day's end: everything Pound said > about poetry was half-baked--and therefore only ten times more intelligent > than what just about everyone else of the time was saying. > > --Bob G. For my money, the one who got closest to to being exactly right was Michael Roberts in the first edition of _The Faber Book of Contemporary Verse_ -- much righter than Yeats in _Oxford Contemporary Verse_, or Graves in _A Survey of Modernist Poetry_, or Leavis in _New Bearings_. All mostly writing or anthologising around the thirties or forties. Robin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 18:24:05 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <6031E41DB2FE4E02B73925E7C514EA0C@RobinPC> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> <6031E41DB2FE4E02B73925E7C514EA0C@RobinPC> Message-ID: <0D36FD47CBC14A6892B14F054DDF9A4B@RobinPC> << than Yeats in _Oxford Contemporary Verse_, >> Sorry -- _Oxford Modern Verse_ (1935), obviously. But it's all a forties sort of scene, really, isn't it? Anne Stevenson summed it up in "The Fiction Makers" ... "The wrecked boys march in their parade ..." R. From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 18:33:48 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581776.49649.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I hope you people are just trying to be nice and that you really don't think that it's a good poem.?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?... builtbrick by brick the glittering edificesthey would then keep clean and work inside of.How I love the way brick glitters, especially that which I would then work inside of.?PLEEEEEASE tell me you're just trying to be nice!JohnJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Seriousfully, Robin, note the "just about." I did think of Hulme as I wrote my little slash for my boy Ez. --Bobbez From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 20 19:20:13 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <6031E41DB2FE4E02B73925E7C514EA0C@RobinPC> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.102 0006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> <6031E41DB2FE4E02B73925E7C514EA0C@RobinPC> Message-ID: <49766A3D.6040703@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: >> Just tt get another hostility in before day's end: everything Pound >> said about poetry was half-baked--and therefore only ten times more >> intelligent than what just about everyone else of the time was saying. >> >> --Bob G. > > For my money, the one who got closest to to being exactly right was > Michael Roberts in the first edition of _The Faber Book of > Contemporary Verse_ -- much righter than Yeats in _Oxford > Contemporary Verse_, or Graves in _A Survey of Modernist Poetry_, or > Leavis in _New Bearings_. > > All mostly writing or anthologising around the thirties or forties. > Interesting--I never heard of the guy. I think I've gone through the Faber, but haven't a copy. From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 20 19:20:18 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <581776.49649.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <581776.49649.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901201620l190b8e7vb7d26b23ca3185f3@mail.gmail.com> It's not a good poem, John J, unfortunately for poets, I would say. As I suggested some days ago here, poet Tyehimba Jess [U of I--Urbana-Champaign] would've been an excellent choice. I still think that preacher Lowrey was The Poet of this Inauguration day with his benediction of depth, focus, images, wisdom, heightened diction, reverence, sensitivity, and humour. He demonstrated the historic power of African-American preachers, their tradition of providing strength and direction in the notorious absence of such by governmental figures. President Obama follows in that preaching tradition----and the joy of it is that he is now THE governmental figure. Best, Judy 2009/1/20 John Jeffrey > I hope you people are just trying to be nice and that you really don't > think that it's a good poem. > > > ... built > > brick by brick the glittering edifices > > they would then keep clean and work inside of. > > How I love the way brick glitters, especially that which I would then work > inside of. > > PLEEEEEASE tell me you're just trying to be nice! > > JohnJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A woman and her son wait for the bus. A farmer considers the changing sky. A teacher says, Take out your pencils. Begin. We encounter each other in words, words spiny or smooth, whispered or declaimed, words to consider, reconsider. We cross dirt roads and highways that mark the will of some one and then others, who said I need to see what?s on the other side. I know there?s something better down the road. We need to find a place where we are safe. We walk into that which we cannot yet see. Say it plain: that many have died for this day. Sing the names of the dead who brought us here, who laid the train tracks, raised the bridges, picked the cotton and the lettuce, built brick by brick the glittering edifices they would then keep clean and work inside of. Praise song for struggle, praise song for the day. Praise song for every hand-lettered sign, the figuring-it-out at kitchen tables. Some live by love thy neighbor as thyself, others by first do no harm or take no more than you need. What if the mightiest word is love? Love beyond marital, filial, national, love that casts a widening pool of light, love with no need to pre-empt grievance. In today?s sharp sparkle, this winter air, any thing can be made, any sentence begun. On the brink, on the brim, on the cusp, praise song for walking forward in that light. Copyright ? 2009 by Elizabeth Alexander. All rights reserved. Reprinted with the permission of Graywolf Press, Saint Paul, Minnesota. A chapbook edition of Praise Song for the Day will be published on February 6, 2009. ________________________________ From: David Graham To: "new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:23:20 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text If anyone has found a text of Elizabeth Alexander's poem with linebreaks, I'd really appreciate seeing it. So far all I've found are prose transcripts. Incidentally, CNN has the full video of her reading up at their web site, among other places. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/ee821b51/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 20 21:56:12 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu> <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many thanks! I had Googled in vain. . . . I now have both text and video to take to my Poetry Aloud class for discussion on Thursday. Hallway conversation with colleagues so far has revealed that most seemed to like her poem a lot. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Jan 20, 2009, at 8:35 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: > Here it is. (Let's hope the formatting doesn't get lost.) > > Praise Song for the Day > by Elizabeth Alexander > > Each day we go about our business, > walking past each other, catching each other?s > eyes or not, about to speak or speaking. > > All about us is noise. All about us is > noise and bramble, thorn and din, each > one of our ancestors on our tongues. > > Someone is stitching up a hem, darning > a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, > repairing the things in need of repair. > > Someone is trying to make music somewhere, > with a pair of wooden spoons on an oil drum, > with cello, boom box, harmonica, voice. > > A woman and her son wait for the bus. > A farmer considers the changing sky. > A teacher says, Take out your pencils. Begin. > > We encounter each other in words, words > spiny or smooth, whispered or declaimed, > words to consider, reconsider. > > We cross dirt roads and highways that mark > the will of some one and then others, who said > I need to see what?s on the other side. > > I know there?s something better down the road. > We need to find a place where we are safe. > We walk into that which we cannot yet see. > > Say it plain: that many have died for this day. > Sing the names of the dead who brought us here, > who laid the train tracks, raised the bridges, > > picked the cotton and the lettuce, built > brick by brick the glittering edifices > they would then keep clean and work inside of. > > Praise song for struggle, praise song for the day. > Praise song for every hand-lettered sign, > the figuring-it-out at kitchen tables. > > Some live by love thy neighbor as thyself, > others by first do no harm or take no more > than you need. What if the mightiest word is love? > > Love beyond marital, filial, national, > love that casts a widening pool of light, > love with no need to pre-empt grievance. > > In today?s sharp sparkle, this winter air, > any thing can be made, any sentence begun. > On the brink, on the brim, on the cusp, > > praise song for walking forward in that light. > > Copyright ? 2009 by Elizabeth Alexander. All rights reserved. > Reprinted with the permission of Graywolf Press, Saint Paul, > Minnesota. A chapbook edition of Praise Song for the Day will be > published on February 6, 2009. > > > > From: David Graham > To: "new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:23:20 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text > > If anyone has found a text of Elizabeth Alexander's poem with > linebreaks, I'd really appreciate seeing it. > > So far all I've found are prose transcripts. Incidentally, CNN has > the full video of her reading up at their web site, among other > places. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/10a37db0/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 21:59:36 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.102 0006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC> > Wasn't he British? English -- there's a difference. {There was a survey conducted once, whereby the only group who identified themselves as "British" (rather than English Irish Scottish or Welsh) were Northern Irish Protestants.} R. Seriousfully, Robin, note the "just about." I did > think of Hulme as I wrote my little slash for my boy Ez. > > --Bobbez From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 22:26:52 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901201926t74934c22v509c875fe5871176@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 08:54, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I dunno, i think there are some non-formalists who would have been a good > choice. Sherman Alexie comes to mind. Were it up to me tho, I would have > picked a slam poet. Imagine what Saul Williams would have done with the > opportunity? Of course Alexie is a heck of a slam poet. But that might be what you meant... c From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 22:28:36 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49761CBA.2000501@nut-n-but.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> <49761CBA.2000501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901201928k6c54252foa29f855a2d8a8a96@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 09:49, Bob Grumman wrote: > Millicent Accardi wrote: > > I think the poem WAS all encompassing, inclusive and covered where our > country is at and the highlights of the day. It caught the tone. It was a > national poem. It covered the large and the small. > > Didn't cover mathematicians. Sure it did: "The figuring it out at kitchen tables" -- c From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 20 22:35:56 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901201928k6c54252foa29f855a2d8a8a96@mail.gmail.com> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> <49761CBA.2000501@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901201928k6c54252foa29f855a2d8a8a96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901201935h7da5a5dm8e329c66d3cee219@mail.gmail.com> again with the ;-) 2009/1/20 Chris Lott > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 09:49, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Millicent Accardi wrote: > > > > I think the poem WAS all encompassing, inclusive and covered where our > > country is at and the highlights of the day. It caught the tone. It was > a > > national poem. It covered the large and the small. > > > > Didn't cover mathematicians. > > Sure it did: "The figuring it out at kitchen tables" -- > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090120/205b0f35/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Tue Jan 20 23:06:04 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.102 0006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net> <72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC> Message-ID: <1FC00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> no cornish? On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Robin Hamilton wrote: >> Wasn't he British? > > English -- there's a difference. > > {There was a survey conducted once, whereby the only group who > identified themselves as "British" (rather than English Irish > Scottish or Welsh) were Northern Irish Protestants.} > > R. > > Seriousfully, Robin, note the "just about." I did >> think of Hulme as I wrote my little slash for my boy Ez. >> >> --Bobbez > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jfq at myuw.net Tue Jan 20 23:07:29 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901201926t74934c22v509c875fe5871176@mail.gmail.com> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0901201926t74934c22v509c875fe5871176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2462285B-3988-43CF-A66D-D2D71DDBC7F0@myuw.net> I don't really think of him as a slam poet although i know he's competed, i think he comes more from a more pagey/academic place than full on slam poetry. On Jan 20, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 08:54, Jason Quackenbush wrote: >> I dunno, i think there are some non-formalists who would have been >> a good >> choice. Sherman Alexie comes to mind. Were it up to me tho, I >> would have >> picked a slam poet. Imagine what Saul Williams would have done >> with the >> opportunity? > > Of course Alexie is a heck of a slam poet. But that might be what > you meant... > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 23:13:44 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DA1EDEEE3AA48B2BEC38F5D25D6B614@RobinPC> << I mean rhetoric in the positive sense, which King and Kennedy understood. >> There *is no positive sense to rhetoric, as Socrates (and the early Plato) understood. Rhetoric is the coin of a lawyer's market. Robin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 23:16:27 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <1FC00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.102 0006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net> <72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC> <1FC00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> Message-ID: > no cornish? Cornish is a variant of Celtish. A different language and cultural situation whatever. R. From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 23:29:02 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net><72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC><1FC00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> Message-ID: Rhetoric is the linguistic brandy of the damned. R. From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 20 23:40:21 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-but.net><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net><72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC><1FC00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> Message-ID: <92989ED6238D49149C7D63DC00872C0A@RobinPC> Rhetoric is (per)suasive -- why lawyers love it. Sometimes 300 million catholics are wrong. Democracy is wonderful, but occasionally you can't get to the truth by simply counting heads. R. From amanda at surkont.com Wed Jan 21 00:45:44 2009 From: amanda at surkont.com (Amanda Surkont) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <49765992.5060405@opus40.org> Message-ID: <626200.33829.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, TheOldMole wrote: From: TheOldMole Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 6:09 PM I thiink it reads better than it played. Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote: > > Based on what I have read so far, it?s in line with what I know of praise poetry in the African tradition. > > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Anny Ballardini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:41 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander > > It is a good poem: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/ > > and she was precise and clear. > > > -- Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Really, our tongues are from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. > Someone is stitching up a hem, darning > a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, > repairing the things in need of repair. This made me think of politicians who repair things into need of repair. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What people identify themselves as is irrelevant. It's what the taxonomically responsible identify them as that counts. And the English are English AND British. So, poop on you, you silly Scottish Britisher. --Bob From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 10:26:06 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <4977350A.7000102@nut-n-but.net> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu> <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4977350A.7000102@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my hat goes off to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. - Jim 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > > > All about us is noise. All about us is > noise and bramble, thorn and din, each > one of our ancestors on our tongues. > > I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its attempt > to highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go farther: I > have "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our > tongues are from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. > > Someone is stitching up a hem, darning > a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, > repairing the things in need of repair. > > This made me think of politicians who > > repair things into need of repair. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's what the > taxonomically responsible identify them as that counts. And the English are > English AND British. So, poop on you, you silly Scottish Britisher. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/76fc2c6f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 10:38:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <0DA1EDEEE3AA48B2BEC38F5D25D6B614@RobinPC> References: <0DA1EDEEE3AA48B2BEC38F5D25D6B614@RobinPC> Message-ID: <49774183.4040109@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: > << > I mean rhetoric in the positive sense, which King and Kennedy understood. >>> > > There *is no positive sense to rhetoric, as Socrates (and the early > Plato) understood. > > Rhetoric is the coin of a lawyer's market. > Then how do you distinguish prose that makes significant use of rhetorical devices from prose that does not? And/or how do you distinguish rhetoric whose aim is to persuade (advocature, in my terminology) from rhetoric whose sole or only significant aim is to provide verbal pleasure (literature, in my terminology--and someone else's, I forget who)? My opinionation, I've now realized, Robin, is YOUR fault. Your force me into it. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 10:43:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com><8C697ACFB1CB 4E36AFD9D5210CC718BA@RobinPC><4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><4976519C.9000603@nut-n-b ut.net><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><4976690B.9090305@nut-n-but.net><72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC><1FC 00976-6A28-4B50-9D23-E5B4A7183C3B@myuw.net> Message-ID: <4977428A.6000102@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: > Rhetoric is the linguistic brandy of the damned. > > R. But it still has defects, right? From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 10:45:37 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu> <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4977350A.7000102@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901210745w45f52e30w1b54742824a5ca24@mail.gmail.com> I think we all came up with a lot of 'buts', Jim, but the fact is that the poem wasn't up to anyone's standards for a Good Poem in any circumstance, let alone such a one as the Inauguration. We can 'but' all about the poet's C.V., 'creds', previous poems, or what she might've done, 'til the proverbial cows come home. We can imagine who in the world really chose her, and why; we can wonder if she herself thinks her Inauguration poem is good; we can wish her Poetry Growth and lotsa book sales; we can hope that billions of folk don't begin imitating her style; we can assume that few people will remember anything of the poem. But we are responsible for her having been chosen, finally. We are poets! We may squabble forever about what poetry really is and which are the best techniques, but we damned well better be sure that those beauties of poetry living so strong inside us are known and shown to the many folk who draw us to them in their need for the beauties. Whatever else is the purpose of a list such as this? Ego-sturbating? Yeah, undoubtedly. Climbing the Poet Popularity Pole? Yeah, same. Is that it, then? No, indeed. We'll have to come up with more than we have, and it looks, duh, as if it will require some focused thought and co-operative activity. Any suggestions? Best or forget the rest, Judy 2009/1/21 James Cervantes > Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my hat goes > off to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. > - Jim > > 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > >> >> >> All about us is noise. All about us is >> noise and bramble, thorn and din, each >> one of our ancestors on our tongues. >> >> I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its attempt >> to highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go farther: I >> have "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our >> tongues are from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. >> >> Someone is stitching up a hem, darning >> a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, >> repairing the things in need of repair. >> >> This made me think of politicians who >> >> repair things into need of repair. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > / > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or something like that. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 10:54:52 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu><885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4977350A.7000102@nut-n- but.net> <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4977454C.6000709@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. Not to my ear, so we'd have to say to each his own. (I more like it for the effectively wrong use of "thorn.") > But, my hat goes off to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. > > - Jim What poet would not? Would not write for at least some occasions, that is. I can see not wanting to write for Bush or Obama. From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 21 10:55:16 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <497743D8.1020509@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><4976690B.9 090305@nut-n-but.net><72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC><49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com> <497743D8.1020509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49774564.2050201@opus40.org> Don't get Grumman started on taxonomy. Bob Grumman wrote: > Judy Prince wrote: >> taxonomically? > Sure. There's naming and there's taxonomy, which is classifying > systematically, by which in this case is meant, showing how the > objects classified interrelate in kind and level of generality. Or > something like that. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 11:00:56 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <497743D8.1020509@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <49763902.70904@ntlworld.com> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <72846EFF36584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC> <49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com> <497743D8.1020509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com> uh huh. BTW, I rather think that 'rhetoric' is a neutral label for techniques that persuade folk. For a research writing course, in addition to other texts, I used one called 'Everything is an argument'. I find it impossible to write anything---anything---without the implicit aim of convincing readers. Mebbe just me; mebbe not. unhumble Judy to grumble Bob 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> taxonomically? >> > Sure. There's naming and there's taxonomy, which is classifying > systematically, by which in this case is meant, showing how the objects > classified interrelate in kind and level of generality. Or something like > that. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Robin Hamilton < robin.hamilton2@btinternet.com> wrote: > Rhetoric is the linguistic brandy of the damned. > > > R. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, my hat goes > off to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. > - Jim > > Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/8678c127/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Jan 21 11:25:28 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? For such a deliberately plain-diction poem, such phrasing did stand out, to my ear. But I notice that no sooner did I remark to a colleague that I thought the poem on the whole a little flat, that I was informed that, no, it was graceful and lyrical. We poets just can't agree on nothin'. But I, too, feel like tipping my hat to Elizabeth Alexander. She did OK. ======================= On 1/21/09 9:26 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: > Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my hat goes off > to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. > > - Jim > > 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> All about us is noise. All about us is >>> noise and bramble, thorn and din, each >>> one of our ancestors on our tongues. >>> >>> >>> >> I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its attempt to >> highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go farther: I have >> "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our tongues are >> from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. >> >>> >>> >>> Someone is stitching up a hem, darning >>> a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, >>> repairing the things in need of repair. >>> >> This made me think of politicians who >> >> repair things into need of repair. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > / > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For a research writing course, in > addition to other texts, I used one called 'Everything is an > argument'. I find it impossible to write > anything---anything---without the implicit aim of convincing readers. > Mebbe just me; mebbe not. > > unhumble Judy to grumble Bob But we need to distinguish, it seems to me, words whose primary purpose is giving pleasure from words whose primary purpose is to persuade someone of something. It's like "political poetry"; halfwits say all poetry is political when it's only, yes, you can force some political significance on ANYthing, but most poetry has nothing sanely to do with politics. --the Taxonomaniac (except that I'll stop if you do) From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 11:29:05 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so tough compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written a few myself and while some are more successful than others I didn't find it any more difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:25 AM, David Graham wrote: > You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? > > For such a deliberately plain-diction poem, such phrasing did stand > out, to > my ear. But I notice that no sooner did I remark to a colleague > that I > thought the poem on the whole a little flat, that I was informed > that, no, > it was graceful and lyrical. > > We poets just can't agree on nothin'. But I, too, feel like > tipping my hat > to Elizabeth Alexander. She did OK. > > > > ======================= > On 1/21/09 9:26 AM, "James Cervantes" > wrote: > >> Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my >> hat goes off >> to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. >> >> - Jim >> >> 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All about us is noise. All about us is >>>> noise and bramble, thorn and din, each >>>> one of our ancestors on our tongues. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its >>> attempt to >>> highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go >>> farther: I have >>> "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our >>> tongues are >>> from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Someone is stitching up a hem, darning >>>> a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, >>>> repairing the things in need of repair. >>>> >>> This made me think of politicians who >>> >>> repair things into need of repair. >>> >>> --Bob G. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> >> >> / >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 11:34:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><49763902.70904@ntlworl d.com> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><72846EFF36 584252B7AE912875739BD0@RobinPC><49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com><49 7743D8.1020509@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49774E80.5050702@nut-n-but.net> How do most rhetorical devices make a text persuasive, anyway? I think I know most of them but can't bring up a name for any, but how does the one where you repeat a locution as in "I have peace, I have harmony, I have that doo dah doo" lead necessarily to persuasion? Except to persuade you I have the things named. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 11:37:46 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49774F5A.1080802@nut-n-but.net> David Graham wrote: > You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? Haw, at first I thought you intended this negatively, David. Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/ab8be64e/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Wed Jan 21 11:35:54 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830901210835i56e4a403v26a9e2c14648550d@mail.gmail.com> In general, Jason, I agree with you. But the difficulty of occasional verse does vary with the scope of the occasion, and a poem to read at the inauguration of the first black president of the US, where people (including me) remember "Whites Only" signs on public facilities, is an occasion far beyond what I'd care to tackle. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so tough > compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written a few myself > and while some are more successful than others I didn't find it any more > difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. > > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:25 AM, David Graham wrote: > > You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? >> >> For such a deliberately plain-diction poem, such phrasing did stand out, >> to >> my ear. But I notice that no sooner did I remark to a colleague that I >> thought the poem on the whole a little flat, that I was informed that, no, >> it was graceful and lyrical. >> >> We poets just can't agree on nothin'. But I, too, feel like tipping my >> hat >> to Elizabeth Alexander. She did OK. >> >> >> >> ======================= >> On 1/21/09 9:26 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: >> >> Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my hat goes >>> off >>> to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. >>> >>> - Jim >>> >>> 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All about us is noise. All about us is >>>>> noise and bramble, thorn and din, each >>>>> one of our ancestors on our tongues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its >>>> attempt to >>>> highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go farther: I >>>> have >>>> "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our tongues >>>> are >>>> from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Someone is stitching up a hem, darning >>>>> a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, >>>>> repairing the things in need of repair. >>>>> >>>>> This made me think of politicians who >>>> >>>> repair things into need of repair. >>>> >>>> --Bob G. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> / >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd@ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/d58f4632/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 12:05:11 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60901210905u5e91e9adj654264e52ad9b76d@mail.gmail.com> Well, to my ear, "thorn and din" is a clunker, especially in context. Hopkins, IMHO, is over-cooked. As to the rest, aren't we all being a little PC? The poem fell to the occasion. - Jim On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, David Graham wrote: > You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? > > For such a deliberately plain-diction poem, such phrasing did stand out, to > my ear. But I notice that no sooner did I remark to a colleague that I > thought the poem on the whole a little flat, that I was informed that, no, > it was graceful and lyrical. > > We poets just can't agree on nothin'. But I, too, feel like tipping my hat > to Elizabeth Alexander. She did OK. > > > > ======================= > On 1/21/09 9:26 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: > > Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my hat goes > off to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. > > - Jim > > 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > > > > > > > All about us is noise. All about us is > noise and bramble, thorn and din, each > one of our ancestors on our tongues. > > > > > I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its attempt to > highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go farther: I have > "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, our tongues are > from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. > > > > Someone is stitching up a hem, darning > a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, > repairing the things in need of repair. > > > This made me think of politicians who > > repair things into need of repair. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > / > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/6620fbf0/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 12:08:24 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49774E80.5050702@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com> <49774E80.5050702@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> Keep at it, Bob. It'll come to you as you look at any piece of writing----ANY piece of writing. Am I trying to persuade now? Were you trying to persuade then? Does your poetry try to persuade? Do you try to persuade us that your poetry is poetry? Was Obama trying to persuade? Was Lowery? Was Alexander? Was Feinstein? Was Sam Gwynn in his Inaugural poem? Consider the briefest, most casual writing. What is it seeking to persuade from us? Every writing's freighted with attempts to convince us of something. We often categorize, divide, writing, by what we call its 'purpose', but with super-rare exceptions, writers seek to persuade---undoubtedly, in many instances, whether the writer's aware of it or not. taxed very little by taxonomiques, Judy 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > How do most rhetorical devices make a text persuasive, anyway? I think I > know most of them but can't bring up a name for any, but how does the one > where you repeat a locution as in "I have peace, I have harmony, I have that > doo dah doo" lead necessarily to persuasion? Except to persuade you I have > the things named. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/0e0bcc67/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 12:16:42 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <6768ac830901210835i56e4a403v26a9e2c14648550d@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <6768ac830901210835i56e4a403v26a9e2c14648550d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <151BD69D-A370-4C52-9243-043C6742677E@myuw.net> Well but i mean that's just the thing. you can't possibly write something so epically important as that on demand. I mean, maybe you'll get lucky and you'll come out with your very own Kublai Khan hardboiled and ready to go for the ages in a couple of months, but really, how likely is that? so given the impossibility of it, the only real option poetically seems to be to not try to do what Elizabeth Alexander tried to do, which was to try to write something that spoke to the moment in grand language, but rather to go the opposite direction and be less universal, less aphoristic, and less sweeping. I mean, maybe it's arrogant, but I do think I or any number of poets of my acquaintance could have come up with something much better on shorter notice. Honestly, I think Elizabeth Alexander, whose choice as inaugural poet i questioned from the get go, has better poetry in her than a set of bland slice of life observations set in an impersonal tone short on any of the real music of language that was so present both in Obama's speech and in Lowery's benediction. i mean "all around us is noise and bramble, thorn and din?" that's just straight up weak. if i'm ever elected president, Buddy Wakefield is going to be the inaugural poet. i've probably said too much commie nonsense in too many public places for that to ever happen. still i think the brass tacks here are that it was a lame reading of a lame poem, and yeah, granted, it's not an easy thing to do, any competent poet ought to be able to rise to the occasion by noting that it's impossible to rise to such an occasion and it's a shame that Elizabeth Alexander didn't realize that. On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Michael Snider wrote: > In general, Jason, I agree with you. But the difficulty of > occasional verse > does vary with the scope of the occasion, and a poem to read at the > inauguration of the first black president of the US, where people > (including > me) remember "Whites Only" signs on public facilities, is an > occasion far > beyond what I'd care to tackle. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jason Quackenbush > wrote: > >> I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so tough >> compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written a >> few myself >> and while some are more successful than others I didn't find it >> any more >> difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. >> >> >> On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:25 AM, David Graham wrote: >> >> You didn't think "thorn and din" had a bit of Hopkins-y flair? >>> >>> For such a deliberately plain-diction poem, such phrasing did >>> stand out, >>> to >>> my ear. But I notice that no sooner did I remark to a colleague >>> that I >>> thought the poem on the whole a little flat, that I was informed >>> that, no, >>> it was graceful and lyrical. >>> >>> We poets just can't agree on nothin'. But I, too, feel like >>> tipping my >>> hat >>> to Elizabeth Alexander. She did OK. >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================= >>> On 1/21/09 9:26 AM, "James Cervantes" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Not to mention that "thorn and din" is such a clunker. But, my >>> hat goes >>>> off >>>> to anyone who will/can write for an occasion. >>>> >>>> - Jim >>>> >>>> 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All about us is noise. All about us is >>>>>> noise and bramble, thorn and din, each >>>>>> one of our ancestors on our tongues. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I liked this stanza though the last line is a bit forced in its >>>>> attempt to >>>>> highlight the glories of multiculturalism. Hey, I could go >>>>> farther: I >>>>> have >>>>> "every/ one of EVERYbody's ancestors on my tongue." Really, >>>>> our tongues >>>>> are >>>>> from our ancestors but what's on them isn't necessarily. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone is stitching up a hem, darning >>>>>> a hole in a uniform, patching a tire, >>>>>> repairing the things in need of repair. >>>>>> >>>>>> This made me think of politicians who >>>>> >>>>> repair things into need of repair. >>>>> >>>>> --Bob G. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> / >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ==================================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd@ripon.edu >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ==================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 12:19:56 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu> <4976467B.1020006@ntlworld.com> <5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC> <49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com> <49774E80.5050702@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <197E476F-D2D5-4110-ADA3-CB7D0661C669@myuw.net> In the interest of saving some time in this conversation, Bob's taxonomy doesn't differentiate by purpose, but by technique. at least on my reading of it.. On Jan 21, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Judy Prince wrote: > Keep at it, Bob. It'll come to you as you look at any piece of > writing----ANY piece of writing. Am I trying to persuade now? > Were you trying to persuade then? Does your poetry try to > persuade? Do you try to persuade us that your poetry is poetry? > Was Obama trying to persuade? Was Lowery? Was Alexander? > Was Feinstein? Was Sam Gwynn in his Inaugural poem? > > Consider the briefest, most casual writing. What is it seeking to > persuade from us? Every writing's freighted with attempts to > convince us of something. > > We often categorize, divide, writing, by what we call its > 'purpose', but with super-rare exceptions, writers seek to > persuade---undoubtedly, in many instances, whether the writer's > aware of it or not. > > taxed very little by taxonomiques, Judy > > 2009/1/21 Bob Grumman > How do most rhetorical devices make a text persuasive, anyway? I > think I know most of them but can't bring up a name for any, but > how does the one where you repeat a locution as in "I have peace, I > have harmony, I have that doo dah doo" lead necessarily to > persuasion? Except to persuade you I have the things named. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When asked to read a poem at a wedding, for example, I just read a good one by someone else. On 1/21/09 10:35 AM, "Michael Snider" wrote: > In general, Jason, I agree with you. But the difficulty of occasional verse > does vary with the scope of the occasion, and a poem to read at the > inauguration of the first black president of the US, where people (including > me) remember "Whites Only" signs on public facilities, is an occasion far > beyond what I'd care to tackle. > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are lots of lessons to be learned from the 18th and 19th century American occasional poems: "To the Memory of the Brave Americans" "Old Ironsides" "Concord Hymn" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/fc39531d/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Jan 21 12:28:49 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Occasionally Message-ID: I wrote a poem for the wedding of one of my brothers. It was one of the worst poems I've ever finished, and they framed it and hung it on the wall in their downstairs bathroom appropriately enough. I told them once that that poem may have been read by more people than many poems I've published in journals. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/0ba5c77d/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 12:34:04 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <151BD69D-A370-4C52-9243-043C6742677E@myuw.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <6768ac830901210835i56e4a403v26a9e2c14648550d@mail.gmail.com> <151BD69D-A370-4C52-9243-043C6742677E@myuw.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901210934x4c9f218fp224058b3163f5e00@mail.gmail.com> A good analysis, Jason. Judy 2009/1/21 Jason Quackenbush > > Honestly, I think Elizabeth Alexander, whose choice as inaugural poet i > questioned from the get go, has better poetry in her than a set of bland > slice of life observations set in an impersonal tone short on any of the > real music of language that was so present both in Obama's speech and in > Lowery's benediction. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can 'but' all about the poet's > C.V., 'creds', previous poems, or what she might've done, 'til the > proverbial cows come home. We can imagine who in the world really chose > her, and why; we can wonder if she herself thinks her Inauguration poem is > good; we can wish her Poetry Growth and lotsa book sales; we can hope that > billions of folk don't begin imitating her style; we can assume that few > people will remember anything of the poem. But we are responsible for her > having been chosen, finally. > We are poets! We may squabble forever about what poetry really is and > which are the best techniques, but we damned well better be sure that those > beauties of poetry living so strong inside us are known and shown to the > many folk who draw us to them in their need for the beauties. Whatever else > is the purpose of a list such as this? Ego-sturbating? Yeah, undoubtedly. > Climbing the Poet Popularity Pole? Yeah, same. Is that it, then? No, > indeed. > To "egosturbate" is close "pontificate," huh? > We'll have to come up with more than we have, and it looks, duh, as if it > will require some focused thought and co-operative activity. Any > suggestions? > No quite sure what the goal is, but I've been at co-operative activity in the name of poetry for almost 40 years as editor, as coordinator or director of festivals and programs, and can't help but think I've done *something* for "someone" or some thing - even in unfocused moments. As an editor, I would never accept Alexander's poem for publication. Just my taste, I suppose. -- Jim "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/c756758d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 13:12:20 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday to Forrest Gander! Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901211012u3f487d08qef7a984eea8c6e1@mail.gmail.com> from Garrison's Almanac: It's the birthday of poet *Forrest Gander *, (books by this author) born in Barstow, California (1956). He mostly grew up in Virginia, where his mom was an elementary school teacher. But he spent summers with his father, who ran a bar in Greenwich Village in the 1960s. It started out as a college bar and then became a gay bar. He grew up along the Potomac River, fishing with his Swedish grandfather, who recited Edgar Allan Poe poems and prayers in Swedish while they fished for bluegills. He majored in geology and English, and not long after he graduated from college he was diagnosed with cancer, third stage melanoma. After cancer treatment, he said, "A fevered seriousness visited upon me. I looked like a veteran of some awful conflict and I was ready to change my life." He moved to San Francisco, where he met his partner in the poetry room of the San Francisco State Library. The two of them moved to Mexico, and Gander became fascinated with Mexican poetry and began to translate it. He's since published translations of Pablo Neruda and many other poets, as well as several collections of his own poetry, including *Eggplants and Lotus Root*(1991). Last year he published his first novel, *As A Friend* (2008). -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/b793978a/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 13:24:25 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Occasionally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net> I guess i'm coming at it from a different perspective because i tend to write very fast. for me the trouble is usually starting writing rather than finishing, so if i have something to get the gears turning like an occasion it's more help than hindrance. On Jan 21, 2009, at 9:25 AM, David Graham wrote: > The problem with writing to an occasion, for me, is that there is a > deadline, not so much that it's a tough challenge. Poets accept weird > technical challenges all the time, and often thrive with them. But > my own > working methods involve lots of spontaneous writing, followed by a > generally > slow sifting. First thought first draft is my motto. > > I've written many occasional poems that were completed years after the > occasion. On those rare occasions when I've met the deadline, the > poem > doesn't ultimately seem very good. I admire those who can write to > order > and come up with keepers. My success rate is so low that I generally > decline such invitations. When asked to read a poem at a wedding, for > example, I just read a good one by someone else. > > > On 1/21/09 10:35 AM, "Michael Snider" wrote: > >> In general, Jason, I agree with you. But the difficulty of >> occasional verse >> does vary with the scope of the occasion, and a poem to read at the >> inauguration of the first black president of the US, where people >> (including >> me) remember "Whites Only" signs on public facilities, is an >> occasion far >> beyond what I'd care to tackle. >> > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 13:18:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901211003s23594bffu26778dcc2990f2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu> <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4977350A.7000102@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0901210745w45f52e30w1b54742824a5ca24@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60901211003s23594bffu26778dcc2990f2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901211018n137c1299sb40bb260661c3e0d@mail.gmail.com> I think we can agree to disagree. I would have been scared to death by the responsibility of not only writing the poem but of reading it in front of all those people. I therefore, since I know my limits, think that Alexander did a superb job and wrote a poem, in all humility, that everybody could understand. This for me is class. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Judy Prince > wrote: > >> I think we all came up with a lot of 'buts', Jim, but the fact is that the >> poem wasn't up to anyone's standards for a Good Poem in any circumstance, >> let alone such a one as the Inauguration. We can 'but' all about the poet's >> C.V., 'creds', previous poems, or what she might've done, 'til the >> proverbial cows come home. We can imagine who in the world really chose >> her, and why; we can wonder if she herself thinks her Inauguration poem is >> good; we can wish her Poetry Growth and lotsa book sales; we can hope that >> billions of folk don't begin imitating her style; we can assume that few >> people will remember anything of the poem. But we are responsible for her >> having been chosen, finally. >> We are poets! We may squabble forever about what poetry really is and >> which are the best techniques, but we damned well better be sure that those >> beauties of poetry living so strong inside us are known and shown to the >> many folk who draw us to them in their need for the beauties. Whatever else >> is the purpose of a list such as this? Ego-sturbating? Yeah, undoubtedly. >> Climbing the Poet Popularity Pole? Yeah, same. Is that it, then? No, >> indeed. >> > > To "egosturbate" is close "pontificate," huh? > > >> We'll have to come up with more than we have, and it looks, duh, as if it >> will require some focused thought and co-operative activity. Any >> suggestions? >> > > No quite sure what the goal is, but I've been at co-operative activity in > the name of poetry for almost 40 years as editor, as coordinator or director > of festivals and programs, and can't help but think I've done *something* > for "someone" or some thing - even in unfocused moments. > > As an editor, I would never accept Alexander's poem for publication. Just > my taste, I suppose. > > > -- Jim > > "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." > -Wilma Askinas > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/a54121c8/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 14:14:40 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901211003s23594bffu26778dcc2990f2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6D16B57C-63F3-4772-939C-3490CDC179A7@ripon.edu> <885001.63035.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4977350A.7000102@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60901210726y4202e701o3494f067d89d32c9@mail.gmail.com> <7db1d01b0901210745w45f52e30w1b54742824a5ca24@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60901211003s23594bffu26778dcc2990f2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901211114r44e5d094r9911dea218f6db94@mail.gmail.com> Despite how it may read, Jim, my rant was not directed at Alexander or at you. I _know_ many on this and other poetry lists as well as those poets not on lists who have brilliantly advanced poetry, and they've done it without fanfare. My rant may've been about the frustration of so often seeing poetry sidelined, ignored, diminished, and ridiculed. It seems particularly important for USAmericans to re-place poetry as one of the essential arts. Thus, as with so many of you, I felt that a magnificent opportunity for poetry yesterday was never opened. Best, Judy 2009/1/21 James Cervantes > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Judy Prince > wrote: > >> I think we all came up with a lot of 'buts', Jim, but the fact is that the >> poem wasn't up to anyone's standards for a Good Poem in any circumstance, >> let alone such a one as the Inauguration. We can 'but' all about the poet's >> C.V., 'creds', previous poems, or what she might've done, 'til the >> proverbial cows come home. We can imagine who in the world really chose >> her, and why; we can wonder if she herself thinks her Inauguration poem is >> good; we can wish her Poetry Growth and lotsa book sales; we can hope that >> billions of folk don't begin imitating her style; we can assume that few >> people will remember anything of the poem. But we are responsible for her >> having been chosen, finally. >> We are poets! We may squabble forever about what poetry really is and >> which are the best techniques, but we damned well better be sure that those >> beauties of poetry living so strong inside us are known and shown to the >> many folk who draw us to them in their need for the beauties. Whatever else >> is the purpose of a list such as this? Ego-sturbating? Yeah, undoubtedly. >> Climbing the Poet Popularity Pole? Yeah, same. Is that it, then? No, >> indeed. >> > > To "egosturbate" is close "pontificate," huh? > > >> We'll have to come up with more than we have, and it looks, duh, as if it >> will require some focused thought and co-operative activity. Any >> suggestions? >> > > No quite sure what the goal is, but I've been at co-operative activity in > the name of poetry for almost 40 years as editor, as coordinator or director > of festivals and programs, and can't help but think I've done *something* > for "someone" or some thing - even in unfocused moments. > > As an editor, I would never accept Alexander's poem for publication. Just > my taste, I suppose. > > > -- Jim > > "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." > -Wilma Askinas > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/8d2a1eec/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 16:40:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> Message-ID: <49779636.4090700@nut-n-but.net> Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so tough > compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written a few > myself and while some are more successful than others I didn't find it > any more difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. Seems to me the problem is that few Occasions are important enough for poems. Plus, you have to be accessible. I think I've only written one--recent, for my brother's 50th wedding anniversary. I think it came out fairly well--but it was very standard. I also think I could take some of the poems I've written and call them occasional poems. I composed one for a hero of mine, not only because he was so politically incorrect, was Christopher Columbus (and though ocean liner captains currently crossing the Atlantic are in no way inferior to him), that would work for Columbus Day. --Bob G. --Bob G.. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 16:49:06 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <197E476F-D2D5-4110-ADA3-CB7D0661C669@myuw.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><4976467B.1020006@ntlwo rld.com><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net><7d b1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com><49774E8 0.5050702@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> <197E476F-D2D5-4110-ADA3-CB7D0661C669@myuw.net> Message-ID: <49779852.3030004@nut-n-but.net> Jason Quackenbush wrote: > In the interest of saving some time in this conversation, Bob's > taxonomy doesn't differentiate by purpose, but by technique. at least > on my reading of it. Yikes, it would depend on which of my taxonomies we're talking about. I do distinguish advocature (persuasive verbal expression) from literature (aesthetic verbal expression) by intent. But I define rhetoric by what it is technically as a verbal device, not by what its cultural intent is. I suspect that the more we discuss this, the muddier it will get. But don't worry, I won't say much more about it. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 16:59:13 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><4976467B.1020006@ntlwo rld.com><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net><7d b1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com><49774E8 0.5050702@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49779AB1.3030404@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Keep at it, Bob. It'll come to you as you look at any piece of > writing----ANY piece of writing. Why stop there? Every piece of visual art and music attempts to persuade us. Science and religion both are almost nothing but attempts to persuade. Etc. But what you seem to be missing, Judy, is that some things are MAINLY persuasion, and some things are mainly something else entirely. Most of my poems, for certain. They are persuasion only if everything, including the oak tree in my front yard, is. In which case the term is worthless. --Bob From skip at louisiana.edu Wed Jan 21 17:24:55 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901211114r44e5d094r9911dea218f6db94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D4663D664F3456B8A44F2B7C8CA5358@win.louisiana.edu> To be honest, the poem read significantly better with the line breaks. But even gauging the need for simplicity and directness in order to fit the occasion's celebration of inception and inclusiveness, I feel it is much more of a historical (not historic) document than an artistic one. Some might say it would be useful in secondary schools, and it might, but I feel giving them good poetry that's accessible and inclusive (Sandburg, L. Hughes) would be far better. (Though I even saw Robert Service useful at secondary level. It's like Whitman said of poor reading material, it might be of limited service just in getting people literate. But I feel that can be done much better and with far greater delight and insight with accessible writers like Twain, Masters, cummings, Jeffers, . . . hell, even Ogden Nash.) Alexander's poem is much like many pieces that are published all the time so it was not an embarrassment for her. I might be a snot, but I think that's a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Judy Prince Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:15 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text Despite how it may read, Jim, my rant was not directed at Alexander or at you. I _know_ many on this and other poetry lists as well as those poets not on lists who have brilliantly advanced poetry, and they've done it without fanfare. My rant may've been about the frustration of so often seeing poetry sidelined, ignored, diminished, and ridiculed. It seems particularly important for USAmericans to re-place poetry as one of the essential arts. Thus, as with so many of you, I felt that a magnificent opportunity for poetry yesterday was never opened. Best, Judy 2009/1/21 James Cervantes On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Judy Prince wrote: I think we all came up with a lot of 'buts', Jim, but the fact is that the poem wasn't up to anyone's standards for a Good Poem in any circumstance, let alone such a one as the Inauguration. We can 'but' all about the poet's C.V., 'creds', previous poems, or what she might've done, 'til the proverbial cows come home. We can imagine who in the world really chose her, and why; we can wonder if she herself thinks her Inauguration poem is good; we can wish her Poetry Growth and lotsa book sales; we can hope that billions of folk don't begin imitating her style; we can assume that few people will remember anything of the poem. But we are responsible for her having been chosen, finally. We are poets! We may squabble forever about what poetry really is and which are the best techniques, but we damned well better be sure that those beauties of poetry living so strong inside us are known and shown to the many folk who draw us to them in their need for the beauties. Whatever else is the purpose of a list such as this? Ego-sturbating? Yeah, undoubtedly. Climbing the Poet Popularity Pole? Yeah, same. Is that it, then? No, indeed. To "egosturbate" is close "pontificate," huh? We'll have to come up with more than we have, and it looks, duh, as if it will require some focused thought and co-operative activity. Any suggestions? No quite sure what the goal is, but I've been at co-operative activity in the name of poetry for almost 40 years as editor, as coordinator or director of festivals and programs, and can't help but think I've done *something* for "someone" or some thing - even in unfocused moments. As an editor, I would never accept Alexander's poem for publication. Just my taste, I suppose. -- Jim "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/03a34c4c/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 21 17:30:53 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49779AB1.3030404@nut-n-but.net> References: <869FC408C4D746C1A2C0DB50BD8FFEE1@win.louisiana.edu><4976467B.1020006@ntlwo rld.com><5EEC5CB47E7E4CEFA292748663871005@RobinPC><49773EB4.9020001@nut-n-but.net><7d b1d01b0901210727x7b053af2i522508c8b3b2258e@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0901210800y50e02b15q20e4929c7fd5a873@mail.gmail.com><49774E8 0.5050702@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901210908v1f74078ct3667542a82a2bed5@mail.gmail.com> <49779AB1.3030404@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4977A21D.5010906@opus40.org> Almost Persudaded #2 by Ben Colder (Sheb Wooley) It's funnier if you know the sappy original, but... Last night I stumbled in to a barroom I met a girl with a pint in her purse She was cute as two speckled puppies And I said Ben you could do worse Then I walked across a room full of tables Walked across her table too And I flopped myself down in a chair And said hi there She whispered my name is Mabel And all I could say was hi there I said permit me to introduce myself Ben Colder here She said it ain't been no colder here than anyplace else I had her almost persuaded What happened to the do del do del do... piano... thank you To slip strip herself of her pride Almost persuaded to slip me a drink on the side Then we danced and we danced and we danced and we danced That is I thought I was dancin' somebody stepped on my hand Then I looked in her eyes and I saw it The reflection of my wedding band And I thought that sure is strange I ain't even married What it was it was my wrist watch I had her almost persuaded Once more there Hargus To come and be my own Smart alec (Almost persuaded) Then her boyfriend came and made me go home Bob Grumman wrote: > Judy Prince wrote: >> Keep at it, Bob. It'll come to you as you look at any piece of >> writing----ANY piece of writing. > Why stop there? Every piece of visual art and music attempts to > persuade us. Science and religion both are almost nothing but > attempts to persuade. Etc. But what you seem to be missing, Judy, is > that some things are MAINLY persuasion, and some things are mainly > something else entirely. Most of my poems, for certain. They are > persuasion only if everything, including the oak tree in my front > yard, is. In which case the term is worthless. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 17:41:57 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <2462285B-3988-43CF-A66D-D2D71DDBC7F0@myuw.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0901201926t74934c22v509c875fe5871176@mail.gmail.com> <2462285B-3988-43CF-A66D-D2D71DDBC7F0@myuw.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901211441h61ca36b7k1a30891233f81d1f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 19:07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I don't really think of him as a slam poet although i know he's competed, i > think he comes more from a more pagey/academic place than full on slam > poetry. I don't think of him as a slam poet, but he did win the world slam championship or somesuch at least once and seems pretty respected there. I'm not a big slam poetry enthusiast, though, so I'll take your word for it! c From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 17:43:27 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49773168.2040908@nut-n-but.net> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <8CB493DFC4673CD-A04-9A1@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> <9b1b9dab0901201928k6c54252foa29f855a2d8a8a96@mail.gmail.com> <49773168.2040908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901211443x6de0b873pd8b7e1ddf1de8e09@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 05:30, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Didn't cover mathematicians. > > > Sure it did: "The figuring it out at kitchen tables" -- > > c > > > In that case, because everyone who has ever spoken at any political event > has at times made up rhymes, poets have always been represented at them. Only if you don't agree with me that Alexander was talking about poring over inscrutable calculus problems in that line. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 17:48:27 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901211448h46faea55h9f7dd8db4a2eb2e5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:29, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so tough > compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written a few myself > and while some are more successful than others I didn't find it any more > difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. The difficulty in writing isn't the question-- if it were, no one would be bitching that Alexander's poem was just another average mediocrity like most poems. But an inaugural poem isn't expected by most to be just another average poem among other average poems, but bears the weight of expectations and hopes and predictions from far more people (and is individually paid much more attention to) than others. That might or might not make it more difficult a task to approach (it sure would for ME, but you might be immune to such pressures), but it certainly makes it less likely to succeed at creating something that will be called "successful" doesn't it? Personally I think the President (or someone) should just pick some damn fine poem to read at the Inaugural and quit trying to force people to attempt commiting an act of literary greatness with eternity aforethought. If they do anything with their time in office, someone will commemorate them naturally later. c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 17:50:59 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <0D4663D664F3456B8A44F2B7C8CA5358@win.louisiana.edu> References: <0D4663D664F3456B8A44F2B7C8CA5358@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4977A6D3.3090802@nut-n-but.net> > > > Some might say it would be useful in secondary schools, and it might, > but I feel giving them good poetry that's accessible and inclusive > (Sandburg, L. Hughes) would be far better. (Though I even saw Robert > Service useful at secondary level. It's like Whitman said of poor > reading material, it might be of limited service just in getting > people literate. But I feel that can be done much better and with far > greater delight and insight with accessible writers like Twain, > Masters, cummings, Jeffers, . . . hell, even Ogden Nash.) > Skip, whaddya say to giving them a few inaccessible poems, too, to keep them from getting the idea that poetry is either rhyme or, uh, prose rhetoric with lineation? And why not a few poems for the few able to appreciate them, or appreciate them with help. I've done a few classes using what I call burstnorm poems--although with conventional poems, too--and always got one or two interested in them. At least one or two. In advanced placement English classes I've done better--I came back to one and was begged to repeat the performance for several who had been in a play and missed the first time. Of course, it's partly not poetry, but the fact that they all knew me, a longtime sub at their school, and a bit of a character. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/093ca928/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 17:57:16 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <49779636.4090700@nut-n-but.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <49779636.4090700@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I think it all boils down to what you take to be an occasion. I often write poems for birthdays and anniversaries of friends and family members. Sometimes they suck, but I find my success rate is pretty close to non-occasional work. On Jan 21, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Jason Quackenbush wrote: >> I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so >> tough compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've >> written a few myself and while some are more successful than >> others I didn't find it any more difficult than other sorts of >> targetted poetry tasks. > Seems to me the problem is that few Occasions are important enough > for poems. Plus, you have to be accessible. I think I've only > written one--recent, for my brother's 50th wedding anniversary. I > think it came out fairly well--but it was very standard. I also > think I could take some of the poems I've written and call them > occasional poems. I composed one for a hero of mine, not only > because he was so politically incorrect, was Christopher Columbus > (and though ocean liner captains currently crossing the Atlantic > are in no way inferior to him), that would work for Columbus Day. > > --Bob G. > > --Bob G.. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jfq at myuw.net Wed Jan 21 17:59:26 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901211441h61ca36b7k1a30891233f81d1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <823CDFC8-BDDC-4911-943A-EF170EDD64B7@myuw.net> <49760D10.2040205@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0901201926t74934c22v509c875fe5871176@mail.gmail.com> <2462285B-3988-43CF-A66D-D2D71DDBC7F0@myuw.net> <9b1b9dab0901211441h61ca36b7k1a30891233f81d1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Think maybe that was the heavyweight bout at Taos yr thinking of? which technically isn't slam. On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 19:07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: >> I don't really think of him as a slam poet although i know he's >> competed, i >> think he comes more from a more pagey/academic place than full on >> slam >> poetry. > > I don't think of him as a slam poet, but he did win the world slam > championship or somesuch at least once and seems pretty respected > there. > > I'm not a big slam poetry enthusiast, though, so I'll take your > word for it! > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 18:08:37 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901211448h46faea55h9f7dd8db4a2eb2e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <9b1b9dab0901211448h46faea55h9f7dd8db4a2eb2e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60901211508v25d0c4b5p875c641a1860cb87@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > > > Personally I think the President (or someone) should just pick some > damn fine poem to read at the Inaugural and quit trying to force > people to attempt commiting an act of literary greatness with eternity > aforethought. If they do anything with their time in office, someone > will commemorate them naturally later. Good idea. Maybe the Poet Laureate at the time would be the one to do that. As for "commemorate them naturally later," do you think that will happen for W? Any takers for a W commemoration poem? -- Jim "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/a0d732a4/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Jan 21 18:23:45 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <49779636.4090700@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4977AE81.2040709@opus40.org> Certainly not hard for negative occasions. "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll," "Love Alone," "Convergence of the Twain." Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I think it all boils down to what you take to be an occasion. I often > write poems for birthdays and anniversaries of friends and family > members. Sometimes they suck, but I find my success rate is pretty > close to non-occasional work. > On Jan 21, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Jason Quackenbush wrote: >>> I really don't get why everybody thinks occasional poetry is so >>> tough compared to other more usual writing challenges. I've written >>> a few myself and while some are more successful than others I didn't >>> find it any more difficult than other sorts of targetted poetry tasks. >> Seems to me the problem is that few Occasions are important enough >> for poems. Plus, you have to be accessible. I think I've only >> written one--recent, for my brother's 50th wedding anniversary. I >> think it came out fairly well--but it was very standard. I also >> think I could take some of the poems I've written and call them >> occasional poems. I composed one for a hero of mine, not only >> because he was so politically incorrect, was Christopher Columbus >> (and though ocean liner captains currently crossing the Atlantic are >> in no way inferior to him), that would work for Columbus Day. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> --Bob G.. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 21 20:39:54 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <648208b60901211508v25d0c4b5p875c641a1860cb87@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net><9b1b9dab0901211448h46faea55h9f7dd8db 4a2eb2e5@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60901211508v25d0c4b5p875c641a1860cb87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> James Cervantes wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Lott > wrote: > > > > Personally I think the President (or someone) should just pick some > damn fine poem to read at the Inaugural and quit trying to force > people to attempt commiting an act of literary greatness with eternity > aforethought. If they do anything with their time in office, someone > will commemorate them naturally later. > > > Good idea. Maybe the Poet Laureate at the time would be the one to do > that. > > As for "commemorate them naturally later," do you think that will > happen for W? Any takers for a W commemoration poem? Not I--but I'd do a poem for W a lot sooner than I'd do one for Obama or Clinton. I'd hang it on the Empire State Building--because it's still there. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or of Kennedy's inaugural without antimetabole. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090121/f446e074/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 23:52:32 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901212052q495f4332y64f64eb703ff7ea9@mail.gmail.com> Repeated grammatical structures, especially brief ones, are indeed memorable---and persuasive---their repetitions lending strength and a fundamentality to the words, as with the movement of ocean waves, heartbeat, and breathing. Judy 2009/1/21 > In a message dated 1/21/2009 10:31:45 AM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: > > > How do most rhetorical devices make a text persuasive, anyway? I think > I know most of them but can't bring up a name for any, but how does the > one where you repeat a locution as in "I have peace, I have harmony, I > have that doo dah doo" lead necessarily to persuasion? Except to > persuade you I have the things named. > > --Bob > > > They don't necessarily make it persuasive, but they do make it memorable. > Think of The Sermon on the Mount, a good deal of Whitman, and the I Have a > Dream speech without anaphora. Or of Kennedy's inaugural without > antimetabole. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alexander then explained the praise song form and what it was supposed to do, and they talked a bit about why she opted to make use of such mundane images and plain language in the poem. I didn't care for the poem, but I liked her and what she had to say. Kudos to the Colbert people for giving the discussion of poetry a venue and for taking it atleast partly seriously. Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/ec912917/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 22 07:45:34 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/21/2009 10:31:45 AM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: >> >> How do most rhetorical devices make a text persuasive, anyway? I think >> I know most of them but can't bring up a name for any, but how does the >> one where you repeat a locution as in "I have peace, I have harmony, I >> have that doo dah doo" lead necessarily to persuasion? Except to >> persuade you I have the things named. >> >> --Bob > > They don't necessarily make it persuasive, but they do make it > memorable. Think of The Sermon on the Mount, a good deal of Whitman, > and the I Have a Dream speech without anaphora. Or of Kennedy's > inaugural without antimetabole. They can also make it thuddingly boring. But when such devices work they make it memorable--which makes it more persuasive IF persuasion was a significant intention of it; if "merely" giving pleasure was its main intent, such devices make it more pleasurable. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/4d474c0a/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 22 09:18:56 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> References: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> True about thuddingly boring. We cannot always or p'raps ever succeed. But we work hard for it and love 'the bomb' when we do succeed. Persuasion's an underlier; I don't think of it as something to be carefully calibrated on a continuum of aims or ticked and contrasted with a list of writing purposes, nor do I think it's usually conscious. What excites me about persuasion as an underlying motive is I can see its universal presence, and I see it as a power, a mover, a force. That textbook I used might be wrong; I might be wrong, but I still think they're on to something nifty. I think of it as writers' urges to be understood and agreed with. I certainly want you and others to 'get' and 'like' and be moved by my poems, their beauty or their depth of thought and feeling. Really, I can't imagine anything else. And for those things I write that are filled with anger or even dismissal, it means that I want to persuade you that the anger's in me, possibly even justified and righteous, and at other times I want to persuade you and others that your [not 'your', Bob] stance has earned my dismissal, I don't just want to 'express' or 'show' that dismissal. Judy They can also make it thuddingly boring. But when such devices work they > make it memorable--which makes it more persuasive IF persuasion was a > significant intention of it; if "merely" giving pleasure was its main > intent, such devices make it more pleasurable. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/034725cc/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Jan 22 09:33:08 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497883A4.2000003@opus40.org> If these devices were guaranteed to work, anyone could do it,. and poets wouldn't be making the big bucks. Judy Prince wrote: > True about thuddingly boring. We cannot always or p'raps ever > succeed. But we work hard for it and love 'the bomb' when we do succeed. > > Persuasion's an underlier; I don't think of it as something to be > carefully calibrated on a continuum of aims or ticked and contrasted > with a list of writing purposes, nor do I think it's usually > conscious. What excites me about persuasion as an underlying motive > is I can see its universal presence, and I see it as a power, a mover, > a force. That textbook I used might be wrong; I might be wrong, but I > still think they're on to something nifty. I think of it as writers' > urges to be understood and agreed with. I certainly want you and > others to 'get' and 'like' and be moved by my poems, their beauty or > their depth of thought and feeling. Really, I can't imagine anything > else. And for those things I write that are filled with anger or even > dismissal, it means that I want to persuade you that the anger's in > me, possibly even justified and righteous, and at other times I want > to persuade you and others that your [not 'your', Bob] stance has > earned my dismissal, I don't just want to 'express' or 'show' that > dismissal. > > Judy > > > They can also make it thuddingly boring. But when such devices > work they make it memorable--which makes it more persuasive IF > persuasion was a significant intention of it; if "merely" giving > pleasure was its main intent, such devices make it more pleasurable. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 22 09:35:58 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901220635k2f69a5capba95656e78b63ce6@mail.gmail.com> Bob, I should add that writers also at times want to persuade readers that they are brilliant or well read or logic wizards. Sometimes this backfires, and sometimes it yields odd hilarious even obscure writing. I guess that stuffs the well worn notion that writing sometimes doesn't Communicate. Well, it communicates _something_! The situation's a bit like when someone says they're not doing anything----but they're always 'doing' something and it can always be described and narrated, often quite fascinatingly. Judy 2009/1/22 Judy Prince > True about thuddingly boring. We cannot always or p'raps ever succeed. > But we work hard for it and love 'the bomb' when we do succeed. > Persuasion's an underlier; I don't think of it as something to be carefully > calibrated on a continuum of aims or ticked and contrasted with a list of > writing purposes, nor do I think it's usually conscious. What excites me > about persuasion as an underlying motive is I can see its universal > presence, and I see it as a power, a mover, a force. That textbook I used > might be wrong; I might be wrong, but I still think they're on to something > nifty. I think of it as writers' urges to be understood and agreed with. I > certainly want you and others to 'get' and 'like' and be moved by my poems, > their beauty or their depth of thought and feeling. Really, I can't imagine > anything else. And for those things I write that are filled with anger or > even dismissal, it means that I want to persuade you that the anger's in me, > possibly even justified and righteous, and at other times I want to persuade > you and others that your [not 'your', Bob] stance has earned my dismissal, I > don't just want to 'express' or 'show' that dismissal. > > Judy > > > They can also make it thuddingly boring. But when such devices work they >> make it memorable--which makes it more persuasive IF persuasion was a >> significant intention of it; if "merely" giving pleasure was its main >> intent, such devices make it more pleasurable. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/98984b39/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 11:31:51 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <49779636.4090700@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901220831x1c208d54q5a7640542c9f0f0e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 13:57, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > Sometimes they suck, but I find my success rate is pretty close to > non-occasional work. Which is, of course, precisely the problem. The expectation is that the inaugural poem won't be average and also isn't subject to the law of averages. But, having heard a few, I think we all know better. You're a much better man than I if you wouldn't feel significant pressure being asked to write a poem that was, in a relatively short time, to be read before hundreds of millions of people and scrutinized by more than almost any other work by people of just about every kind. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 11:33:40 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Elizabeth Alexander on the Colbert Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901220833r31a7314v118c1758965c6452@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:04, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > Frankly, she was pretty awesome Appreciate the pointer-- I only catch Colbert occasionally. Incidentally, the video is online: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/216596/january-21-2009/elizabeth-alexander c From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Jan 22 12:21:21 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <4977A6D3.3090802@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Bob, Of course I'd drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, Williams and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting Hopkins on occasion. And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. Of course. Skip Skip, whaddya say to giving them a few inaccessible poems, too, to keep them from getting the idea that poetry is either rhyme or, uh, prose rhetoric with lineation? And why not a few poems for the few able to appreciate them, or appreciate them with help. I've done a few classes using what I call burstnorm poems--although with conventional poems, too--and always got one or two interested in them. At least one or two. In advanced placement English classes I've done better--I came back to one and was begged to repeat the performance for several who had been in a play and missed the first time. Of course, it's partly not poetry, but the fact that they all knew me, a longtime sub at their school, and a bit of a character. So, again, I harp on presenting the full continuum. --Bob -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Grumman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:51 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text Some might say it would be useful in secondary schools, and it might, but I feel giving them good poetry that's accessible and inclusive (Sandburg, L. Hughes) would be far better. (Though I even saw Robert Service useful at secondary level. It's like Whitman said of poor reading material, it might be of limited service just in getting people literate. But I feel that can be done much better and with far greater delight and insight with accessible writers like Twain, Masters, cummings, Jeffers, . . . hell, even Ogden Nash.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/2558c683/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Jan 22 12:29:58 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: <4977A6D3.3090802@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901220929k86fd372h11e2c0a97eb193b5@mail.gmail.com> YES! [Except that most of Ashbery's works are Way Inaccessible, I find] Judy 2009/1/22 Skip Fox > Bob, > > > > Of course *I'd* drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, Williams > and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting Hopkins on > occasion. > > > > And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. > > > > Of course. > > > > Skip > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/6e998c4f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 22 13:06:14 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4978B596.7000008@nut-n-but.net> Can't disagree that persuasion gets into everything, Judy, but I say it is secondary in genuine poetry. For instance, I have a poem about boyhood camping out. I want the poem's engagent to experience the joy I had as a boy camping out. I also want the engagent to enjoy the poem as an aesthetic object..Yes, I want to persuade the engagent that the experience was joyful and worth commemorating in a poem, and that the poem is a good one, and I a good poet, but all that's secondary to wanting the words to click him into the experience. I think this is hugely different from--well, what I'm doing right now, which is to persuade you I'm right. If you agree with me, I don't care if you believe my my expression pitifully bad. I can conceive of composing a poem that makes a statement that no engagent of it agrees with but being successful, for me, because all its engagents agree that its point of view is beautifully expressed. Some of Merton's or Hopkins's poems I cherish even though they fail to persuade me to accept the religious views they push, for instance. Still, for me, the best poems have no discernible point of view except that enjoying them is a good thing. I think many of my favorite poems simply capture some universal mood, like "Dover Beach," and the "Darkling Thrush," if I have the latter's name right. They don't try to persuade us to take any action. There, I finally hit what I think is a key point. The difference between the kind of persuasion that's in any act of communication and what I call real persuasion; the latter tries to get us to carry out some action, the former just asks for passive agreement. Pretty much just jabbering, but I think I made a worthwhile small point or two. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 22 13:10:24 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4978B690.2070405@nut-n-but.net> Skip Fox wrote: > > Bob, > > > > Of course /I'd/ drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, > Williams and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting > Hopkins on occasion. > > > > And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. > > > > Of course. > > > > Skip > Okay! -Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/3d8d6840/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Jan 22 13:19:35 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901220929k86fd372h11e2c0a97eb193b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D4B043B5AC0454E804790625C768783@win.louisiana.edu> But Ashbery is accessibly so. You can talk about lack of determinacy and confusions while noting so much in terms of shifting scenes, tones, ambiguities squared, and then show them ?Instruction Manual? (and have them point out the clich?d travelogue . . . because someone always does if you start reading from it), and then his Ella Wheeler Wilcox poem would have the students howling, esp. noting the fact he put it in his Selected. (And then you can talk about jokes on terrible poetry and you?re back to Twain and E. Grangerford.) Steven?s ?Sunday Morning? would be great as well. Some Jeffers because of his beauty and the fact everyone likes to see someone darker than themselves at their worst. I?d do some Pound. Even parts of the Cantos. Yesterday an entire class of undergrads (all Eng. majors, but some told me previously of high anxiety approaching poetry, let alone difficult poetry) all seemed not just to understand but really dig Mina Loy?s ?Parturition.? A really great 40 mins. all round. Bernadette Mayer, even. From Midwinter?s Day maybe. But then I remember the line, ?It?s easy to be a Romantic. Especially if you don?t mind the evidence.? -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Judy Prince Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:30 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text YES! [Except that most of Ashbery's works are Way Inaccessible, I find] Judy 2009/1/22 Skip Fox Bob, Of course I'd drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, Williams and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting Hopkins on occasion. And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. Of course. Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:04, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > Frankly, she was pretty awesome > > Appreciate the pointer-- I only catch Colbert occasionally. > Incidentally, the video is online: > > > http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/216596/january-21-2009/elizabeth-alexander > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy taking a rest 2009/1/22 Bob Grumman > Can't disagree that persuasion gets into everything, Judy, but I say it is > secondary in genuine poetry. For instance, I have a poem about boyhood > camping out. I want the poem's engagent to experience the joy I had as a > boy camping out. I also want the engagent to enjoy the poem as an aesthetic > object..Yes, I want to persuade the engagent that the experience was joyful > and worth commemorating in a poem, and that the poem is a good one, and I a > good poet, but all that's secondary to wanting the words to click him into > the experience. > > I think this is hugely different from--well, what I'm doing right now, > which is to persuade you I'm right. If you agree with me, I don't care if > you believe my my expression pitifully bad. I can conceive of composing a > poem that makes a statement that no engagent of it agrees with but being > successful, for me, because all its engagents agree that its point of view > is beautifully expressed. Some of Merton's or Hopkins's poems I cherish > even though they fail to persuade me to accept the religious views they > push, for instance. > Still, for me, the best poems have no discernible point of view except > that enjoying them is a good thing. I think many of my favorite poems > simply capture some universal mood, like "Dover Beach," and the "Darkling > Thrush," if I have the latter's name right. They don't try to persuade us > to take any action. There, I finally hit what I think is a key point. The > difference between the kind of persuasion that's in any act of communication > and what I call real persuasion; the latter tries to get us to carry out > some action, the former just asks for passive agreement. > > Pretty much just jabbering, but I think I made a worthwhile small point or > two. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That much of what they feared was for the best ? Should sober joy in men like me, who cheer Aloud 'O brave new world! by hope possessed!' Still for one day quit doubt and argument ? Barack Hussein Obama's President! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy 2009/1/22 Skip Fox > But Ashbery is accessibly so. You can talk about lack of determinacy and > confusions while noting so much in terms of shifting scenes, tones, > ambiguities squared, and then show them "Instruction Manual" (and have * > them* point out the clich?d travelogue . . . because someone always does > if you start reading from it), and then his Ella Wheeler Wilcox poem would > have the students howling, esp. noting the fact he put it in his Selected. > (And then you can talk about jokes on terrible poetry and you're back to > Twain and E. Grangerford.) > > > > Steven's "Sunday Morning" would be great as well. Some Jeffers because of > his beauty and the fact everyone likes to see someone darker than themselves > at their worst. > > > > I'd do some Pound. Even parts of the Cantos. > > > > Yesterday an entire class of undergrads (all Eng. majors, but some told me > previously of high anxiety approaching poetry, let alone difficult poetry) > all seemed not just to understand but really *dig* Mina Loy's > "Parturition." A really great 40 mins. all round. > > > > Bernadette Mayer, even. From *Midwinter's Day *maybe. > > > > But then I remember the line, "It's easy to be a Romantic. Especially if > you don't mind the evidence." > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Judy Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:30 AM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text > > > > YES! [Except that most of Ashbery's works are Way Inaccessible, I find] > > > > Judy > > 2009/1/22 Skip Fox > > Bob, > > > > Of course *I'd* drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, Williams > and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting Hopkins on > occasion. > > > > And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. > > > > Of course. > > > > Skip > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/802f8eb4/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Jan 22 14:46:24 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet Message-ID: Good sonnet, definitely occasional and rhetorically effective. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(And then you can talk about jokes on > terrible poetry and you're back to Twain and E. Grangerford.) > > > > Steven's "Sunday Morning" would be great as well. Some Jeffers because > of his beauty and the fact everyone likes to see someone darker than > themselves at their worst. > > > > I'd do some Pound. Even parts of the Cantos. > > > > Yesterday an entire class of undergrads (all Eng. majors, but some > told me previously of high anxiety approaching poetry, let alone > difficult poetry) all seemed not just to understand but really *dig* > Mina Loy's "Parturition." A really great 40 mins. all round. > > > > Bernadette Mayer, even. From /Midwinter's Day /maybe. > > > > But then I remember the line, "It's easy to be a Romantic. Especially > if you don't mind the evidence." > So when yah gonna teach 'em some mathematical poetry, Skip? Just kidding, mostly. Keep up the good work, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Snider wrote: > I ain't makng no claims about this one, but after all the discussion, > mostly dissing, and some from me, of Alexander's poem I thought I'd > better try one myself and have the temerity to post it: > > January 21, 2008 > > > > I was eleven when a black man took > > A swim at Fontaine Ferry's swimming pool ? > > This isn't something from a history book ? > > I was eleven when he broke a rule > > That good men, men much like my father, made > > To keep their women safe from darkness, from > > Themselves, from /them/, because they were afraid > > They would not recognize the world to come. > > That they were right about that darkest fear ? > > That much of what they feared was for the best ? > > Should sober joy in men like me, who cheer > > Aloud 'O brave new world! by hope possessed!' > > Still for one day quit doubt and argument ? > > Barack Hussein Obama's President! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Jan 22 15:27:57 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ashbery's accessibility (was Alexander's text) In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901221119o375444d2r6d02a8a8d39fe80a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901220929k86fd372h11e2c0a97eb193b5@mail.gmail.com> <3D4B043B5AC0454E804790625C768783@win.louisiana.edu> <7db1d01b0901221119o375444d2r6d02a8a8d39fe80a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4978D6CD.1090602@opus40.org> There's a wonderful essay that I've lost -- I think I found it on the web a few years ago -- on how to tell good Ashbery from bad Asbey. Anyone know to what I refer? Judy Prince wrote: > If you've written this Ashbery accessible thing in an article or a > book, I'll buy it, because he's not getting more accessible to me in > this message of yours, unfortunately for me. I recall truly loving 3 > lines of one of his otherwise disconnections-packed poem. [I think he > said once that he creates his poems while he watches tv; this explains > much.] > > I approve your teaching enthusiasm, Skip----and wot's not to 'dig' > about Parturition? > > Judy > > 2009/1/22 Skip Fox > > > But Ashbery is accessibly so. You can talk about lack of > determinacy and confusions while noting so much in terms of > shifting scenes, tones, ambiguities squared, and then show them > "Instruction Manual" (and have /them/ point out the clich?d > travelogue . . . because someone always does if you start reading > from it), and then his Ella Wheeler Wilcox poem would have the > students howling, esp. noting the fact he put it in his Selected. > (And then you can talk about jokes on terrible poetry and you're > back to Twain and E. Grangerford.) > > > > Steven's "Sunday Morning" would be great as well. Some Jeffers > because of his beauty and the fact everyone likes to see someone > darker than themselves at their worst. > > > > I'd do some Pound. Even parts of the Cantos. > > > > Yesterday an entire class of undergrads (all Eng. majors, but some > told me previously of high anxiety approaching poetry, let alone > difficult poetry) all seemed not just to understand but really > *dig* Mina Loy's "Parturition." A really great 40 mins. all round. > > > > Bernadette Mayer, even. From /Midwinter's Day /maybe. > > > > But then I remember the line, "It's easy to be a Romantic. > Especially if you don't mind the evidence." > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Judy > Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:30 AM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text > > > > YES! [Except that most of Ashbery's works are Way Inaccessible, I > find] > > > > Judy > > 2009/1/22 Skip Fox > > > Bob, > > > > Of course /I'd/ drag them in deeper. Into Dickinson and Eliot, > Williams and H.D., Stevens and Ashbery even. Hell, I'd be chanting > Hopkins on occasion. > > > > And we'd see that they weren't so inaccessible and much, much more. > > > > Of course. > > > > Skip > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From mandolin at mikesnider.org Thu Jan 22 16:31:48 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet In-Reply-To: <4978D5FA.8070008@opus40.org> References: <6768ac830901221113q1b746dcfj75e390a635749346@mail.gmail.com> <4978D5FA.8070008@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6768ac830901221331o4548c465g41d68a0a4a010fe4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Sam, Tad ... but I ought to get the date right, don't ya think? 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Michael Snider wrote: > Thanks, Sam, Tad ... but I ought to get the date right, don't ya think? > > January 20, 2008 > > Sheesh > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 17:41:34 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet In-Reply-To: <6768ac830901221331o4548c465g41d68a0a4a010fe4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <197199.14956.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The day's right now, but I think there's still a tiny problem with the year... --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Michael Snider wrote: From: Michael Snider Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:31 PM Thanks, Sam, Tad ... but I ought to get the date right, don't ya think? 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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM, John Jeffrey wrote: > The day's right now, but I think there's still a tiny problem with the > year... > > > > --- On *Thu, 1/22/09, Michael Snider * wrote: > > From: Michael Snider > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:31 PM > > Thanks, Sam, Tad ... but I ought to get the date right, don't ya think? > January 20, 2008 > > Sheesh > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Snider wrote: > Can I say "sheesh" again? > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM, John Jeffrey > wrote: > > The day's right now, but I think there's still a tiny problem with > the year... > > > > --- On *Thu, 1/22/09, Michael Snider / >/* wrote: > > From: Michael Snider > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] for what it's worth: an inaugural sonnet > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > Thanks, Sam, Tad ... but I ought to get the date right, don't > ya think? > > January 20, 2008 > > Sheesh > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 22 18:56:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] thoughts on elizabeth alexanders inaugural poem In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901221109x669c6821x65e445f22286e764@mail.gmail.com> References: <49786A6E.8060108@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901220618i11fa23f4ua8ad8be01ad6ad1@mail.gmail.com><4978B596.7000008@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901221109x669c6821x65e445f22286e764@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497907BB.7090602@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Ah well, Bob, you've persuaded me that you don't understand my main > points. You've also persuaded me that I'm not the enduring argue-dog > I'd thought I was. For the moment, anyway, you've convinced me that > you're .. um .. better able to persevere with persuasion, or > persuasively persevere, or just plain persevere. > > Judy taking a rest I'll let you, Judy. Isn't I nice? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Jan 22 21:15:40 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <1C3C6E4D9E144D4B98AC1ADC3B37B1B5@win.louisiana.edu> References: <1C3C6E4D9E144D4B98AC1ADC3B37B1B5@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <4979284C.1030009@nut-n-but.net> Skip Fox wrote: > > > > Loveliest of Trees > > > > Loveliest of trees, the cherry now > > Is hung with bloom upon the bough, > > And stands about the woodland ride > > Wearing white for Eastertide. > > > > *Now of my threescore years and ten* > > * Twenty will not come again,* > > *And take from seventy springs a score* > > *It only leaves me fifty more.* > > > > And since to look at things in bloom > > Fifty springs are little room, > > About the woodland I will go > > To see the cherry hung with snow. > > > > --A.E. Houseman > > > > Bob, > > > > I know its not profoundly mathematical (like calculating the square > root of minus impossible one, or delineating the differentials between > the definite and the indefinite, like you mathematical types are > always up to), but it does its ciphering, as they say. J > > > > skip > Harumpf. My taxonomy would scorn it as not doing math to poetic effect. That the persona only has fifty years to enjoy cherry blossoms is important to the poetic effect but not that 70 minus 20 is 50! And Houseman doesn't express his subtraction mathematically. One of my favorite poems, though. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090122/4a841050/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 01:58:59 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Occasionally In-Reply-To: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net> References: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901222258u7fc17810s1f67f4428ededb2b@mail.gmail.com> The fundamental issue here doesn't seem to be about speed of composition, but about assumptions regarding how many poems are good poems. Every poet whose process I know well enough to say writes a lot of average poems and a very few good ones and the even more occasional really good or great one. Producing a poem for an occasion isn't necessarily about speed but it is necessarily about the chance that such a poem will be of any quality. If 1/50 poems is great-- and that seems generous to me-- then what are the odds that a poem written on demand will be good? It's not complicated math. Then add in the pressure of expectation and the heightened expectation. And then add in the potential fact-- the possibility at least-- that writing for an occasion is qualitatively different from writing with a technical complication and that this impinges on muses, inspirations and other such constructions and I suspect the possibility of an inaugural poem being really good is exceedingly small. Maybe after there've been a few hundred of them. If we could just write great poems on demand then we'd all be great poets all the time. Many here are the great in my estimation, but I'm as yet unaware of anyone who is great all the time. c From browning at splitthisrock.org Fri Jan 23 11:01:15 2009 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Chicago Events? - DC and Chicago poets united In-Reply-To: <946847.8872.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Amy and all, I'll be reading as part of the following event on Thursday at AWP. Thanks for your help spreading the word. best Sarah ** Thursday, February 12 at 7:00 pm >From Chocolate to Chi: DC Poets in Chicago - Poetry reading by Sarah Browning, Regie Cabico, Sage Morgan Hubbard, John Murillo, Kim Roberts, and Melissa Tuckey Insight Arts, 1545 W. Morse Ave., Chicago, IL (773) 973-1521, info@insightartsliberation.org. Free admission. Open mic as well as the featured readers. http://insightartsliberation.org/. Insight Arts is in Roger's Park on Chicago's Northside, near Northwestern and Loyola Universities, half a block from the Morse redline stop. Sarah Browning is author of Whiskey in the Garden of Eden. She co-directs Split This Rock Poetry Festival with Melissa Tuckey, author of Rope as Witness. Regie Cabico is a Def Poetry Jam veteran and Artistic Director of Sol & Soul, an arts and social change organization in DC. Sage Morgan Hubbard is a graduate student at Northwestern University and a teacher with Young Chicago Authors, Sol & Soul, and DC WritersCorps. John Murillo is a two time Larry Neal Writers' Award winner, a New York Times Poetry Fellow, and Cave Canem alum. Kim Roberts is the author most recently of The Kimnama and editor of Beltway Poetry Quarterly. ** Sarah Browning Co-Director Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org 202-787-5210 _____ From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of amy king Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:05 PM To: UB Poetics discussion group; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] AWP Chicago Events? I've rec'd a few inquiries regarding off-site events taking place during AWP in Chicago. If you have organized any, or are participating in them, can you please post them? I'll pass them along to the folks who asked but are not on this list. Others on list may want to know as well. Thanks, Amy p.s. For that matter, if you'd also like to sell us on your panel or event, such convincing might be in order too... _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090123/f1429cb3/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Jan 23 11:22:57 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Occasionally In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901222258u7fc17810s1f67f4428ededb2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net> <9b1b9dab0901222258u7fc17810s1f67f4428ededb2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901230822x30267168j9e1d76c7a4d59f9a@mail.gmail.com> Points well taken, Chris: most poets [in any era or culture] write few Excellent poems. If they could, they would. No tragedy in it; writing poetry, like doing any art, usually brings feelings of worth, joy, and life. As you note, the important point for our discussion is that some poets write more Excellent poems than most poets do. Since Alexander, like most poets, isn't one who writes many Excellent poems, she likely wouldn't have written one for the Inaugural, no matter how much she might have wanted to. Most poets and nonpoets, I think, recognise the elements of Excellence in poems. That seems evident from the hundreds of reactions we've read, heard and seen this week. What encourages me is that because of Alexander's not-Excellent poem, the world has focused on POETRY. Finally, I may differ from those who think that the heightened import of an occasion decreases the likelihood of producing a heightened poem. I think that for those few who often write Excellent poems, if the occasion's one of great significance to them, they will match it with their poem. Judy 2009/1/23 Chris Lott > The fundamental issue here doesn't seem to be about speed of > composition, but about assumptions regarding how many poems are good > poems. Every poet whose process I know well enough to say writes a lot > of average poems and a very few good ones and the even more occasional > really good or great one. Producing a poem for an occasion isn't > necessarily about speed but it is necessarily about the chance that > such a poem will be of any quality. If 1/50 poems is great-- and that > seems generous to me-- then what are the odds that a poem written on > demand will be good? It's not complicated math. Then add in the > pressure of expectation and the heightened expectation. And then add > in the potential fact-- the possibility at least-- that writing for an > occasion is qualitatively different from writing with a technical > complication and that this impinges on muses, inspirations and other > such constructions and I suspect the possibility of an inaugural poem > being really good is exceedingly small. Maybe after there've been a > few hundred of them. > > If we could just write great poems on demand then we'd all be great > poets all the time. Many here are the great in my estimation, but I'm > as yet unaware of anyone who is great all the time. > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That seems evident from the hundreds of > reactions we've read, heard and seen this week. > ====================== Hey! Maybe we could put together a simple list of the components of Excellence! That shouldn't be hard, and I'm sure we'd all agree quite readily on them. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090123/54c2fbb6/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 23 13:51:53 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Occasionally In-Reply-To: References: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net><9b1b9dab0901222258u7fc17810s1f67f442 8ededb2b@mail.gmail.com><7db1d01b0901230822x30267168j9e1d76c7a4d59f9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497A11C9.8060806@nut-n-but.net> > Hey! Maybe we could put together a simple list of the components of > Excellence! That shouldn't be hard, and I'm sure we'd all agree quite > readily on them. There's a difference between recognition and articulation, David. But there's something to be said that the best poems do eventually get recognized as such by most people. I continually marvel at the fact that my favorite pre-1950 poems are almost all the favorites of the majority of poetry engagents, which I'm sure Judy is talking about. But I like your challenge: here's my attempt to meet it: Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched use (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. No one, I suppose, will agree with this entirely, but once I've added whatever others tell me I've missed, and otherwise improved it, I think it will have a chance of getting most of the poetry public to agree that it's reasonably close to a definition of excellence in poetry. --Bob G. From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Jan 23 14:36:20 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Occasionally In-Reply-To: <497A11C9.8060806@nut-n-but.net> References: <2021BB66-76FC-4861-8B8E-A27FC0721540@myuw.net> <7db1d01b0901230822x30267168j9e1d76c7a4d59f9a@mail.gmail.com> <497A11C9.8060806@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901231136i4446fd6wd3a01acd24cf1c@mail.gmail.com> I agree with you, Bob, and, incredibly, have nothing to add! Judy 2009/1/23 Bob Grumman > > Hey! Maybe we could put together a simple list of the components of >> Excellence! That shouldn't be hard, and I'm sure we'd all agree quite >> readily on them. >> > There's a difference between recognition and articulation, David. But > there's something to be said that the best poems do eventually get > recognized as such by most people. I continually marvel at the fact that my > favorite pre-1950 poems are almost all the favorites of the majority of > poetry engagents, which I'm sure Judy is talking about. But I like your > challenge: here's my attempt to meet it: > > Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something importantly > true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear for most people > but also raised above common prose through uncliched use (in the view of > most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic forms; (3) > compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that few or no other > poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., > mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > > No one, I suppose, will agree with this entirely, but once I've added > whatever others tell me I've missed, and otherwise improved it, I think it > will have a chance of getting most of the poetry public to agree that it's > reasonably close to a definition of excellence in poetry. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090123/6e40b801/attachment.html From barry.spacks at verizon.net Fri Jan 23 15:02:49 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: > > Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something > importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear > for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched > use > (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or > poetic > forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that > few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, > expressive > modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! astounded, Barry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 23 16:27:30 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <497A3642.8060709@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: >> >> Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something >> importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear >> for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched use >> (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic >> forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that >> few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive >> modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. >> > The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! > > astounded, > > Barry Something's going on. I hate to say astrology, but I'm an Aquarius, and we're at the cusp of that or into it--and here Judy and Barry agree with me AND I was on the winning side in a doubles match in a seniors tennis league yesterday for the FIRST time this season! (The season is into its tenth week of weekly matches, but I've only played in two others, so it's not that much of a big deal, but the way I'd been playing . . . And we played the top team in the league!) So: the stars messed with your eyesight or something, Barry. When Pisces gets here, you'll realize your error. For now, though: thanks. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 23 18:16:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry and professors In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901221348s7d86da3ekfd595d3fe070b597@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901221348s7d86da3ekfd595d3fe070b597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497A4FE8.2080707@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > 'Why poetry needs a professor: the Oxford job makes many uneasy, but > like it or not, academia is essential to the art form' by Robert Potts > [in today's Guardian.co.uk ] > > Did anyone read this, or does anyone have a comment on it? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/jan/22/oxford-poetry-professor?commentpage=1 > > Judy I read the article, which I found bland. Some woman praised the way the Professor of Poetry at Oxford would be chosen: by a vote of the undergrads, I believe. She was enthralled. That's the way it should be--not like the laureateship, which is chosen by professors, I think, then okayed by the queen and prime minister. My response (since I'm on the mathematics kick): we should choose all professors by popular vote, including math professors, professors of philosophy, chemistry, music, etc. Idiotic. Although not worse than leaving it up to professors. I would have the professors rate the candidates in order of preference, one going to the top one. Each candidate would get a number equal to the sum of the numbers that professors gave him. I 'd also have the public vote on them. The winner would be the one with the highest number when you divided the number given him by the professors by the number of votes he got. As for the blog entry on the article, I commented on it at the Guardian website. I thought it dim because the blogger didn't indicate he thought the professor should be familiar with all of the poetries out there--he just wants a standard academic with a flair for exciting students. That's fine for a normal position in a university but not, I believe, for this one, which is supposed to be second in cultural status to the laureateship. The outgoing professor did a lot for the career of Bob Dylan, a real pioneer in poetry, and greatly in need of money and encouragement. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I continually marvel at the fact that my > favorite pre-1950 poems are almost all the favorites of the majority of > poetry engagents, which I'm sure Judy is talking about. But I like your > challenge: here's my attempt to meet it: > > Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something importantly > true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear for most people > but also raised above common prose through uncliched use (in the view of > most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic forms; (3) > compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that few or no other > poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive modality (e.g., > mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > > No one, I suppose, will agree with this entirely, but once I've added > whatever others tell me I've missed, and otherwise improved it, I think it > will have a chance of getting most of the poetry public to agree that it's > reasonably close to a definition of excellence in poetry. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Didn't seem like an armpit to me, but many Chicagoans recall the steel industry stench. You could smell Gary, Indiana, as you drove I94 in to Chicago. Elizabeth Alexander lauds the book: "These white-hot poems scream and sing, in the poet's words, 'I Am ALIVE,' at every juncture. What an ear, what an eye, and what a heart has Curtis Crisler in this indelible first book." Best, Judy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bountiful Jupiter designs innovative models in which self-interest and the greater good mesh harmoniously and we recognize that what binds us together is much greater than what drives us apart.* *Have a great month!* Jeff Jawer, Publisher, StarIQ.com ...because timing is everything! http://www.StarIQ.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Barry Spacks wrote: > >> >> On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: >> >>> >>> Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something >>> importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear >>> for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched use >>> (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic >>> forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that >>> few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive >>> modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. >>> >>> The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! >> >> astounded, >> >> Barry >> > Something's going on. I hate to say astrology, but I'm an Aquarius, and > we're at the cusp of that or into it--and here Judy and Barry agree with me > AND I was on the winning side in a doubles match in a seniors tennis league > yesterday for the FIRST time this season! (The season is into its tenth > week of weekly matches, but I've only played in two others, so it's not that > much of a big deal, but the way I'd been playing . . . And we played the > top team in the league!) > So: the stars messed with your eyesight or something, Barry. When Pisces > gets here, you'll realize your error. For now, though: thanks. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090124/63f42a09/attachment.html From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 18:56:47 2009 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] disagreeing with Bob In-Reply-To: <200901242043.n0OKhs0O026019@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <718833.87131.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, I disagree with number 3): unless you understand "compactness" to mean some version of verbal economy, I believe in the existence of extremely Excellent poems that happen to be Very Long. Les Tragiques by Agrippa d'Aubigne, for starters. But I've also been enjoying Gabe Gudding's Rhode Island Notebook lately, which is basically one long poem (although it has many parts). I thought my disagreement might reassure you that the stars are not, in fact, more out of joint than usual. Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ ? les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet --- On Sat, 1/24/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > From: new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 55, Issue 36 > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:43 PM > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Definition (Barry Spacks) > 2. Re: Re: Definition (Bob Grumman) > 3. Re: Poetry and professors (Bob Grumman) > 4. Re: Re: Occasionally (Halvard Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:02:49 -0800 > From: Barry Spacks > Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: > > > > Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of > something > > importantly true for most people; (2) words that are > reasonably clear > > for most people but also raised above common prose > through uncliched > > use > > (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic > devices and/or > > poetic > > forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of > sufficient size that > > few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, > grammar, > > expressive > > modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > > > The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! > > astounded, > > Barry > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:27:30 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > & Views" > > Message-ID: <497A3642.8060709@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Barry Spacks wrote: > > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: > >> > >> Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression > of something > >> importantly true for most people; (2) words that > are reasonably clear > >> for most people but also raised above common prose > through uncliched use > >> (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic > devices and/or poetic > >> forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of > sufficient size that > >> few or no other poems have such as uncommon > diction, grammar, expressive > >> modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and > imagery. > >> > > The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! > > > > astounded, > > > > Barry > Something's going on. I hate to say astrology, but > I'm an Aquarius, and > we're at the cusp of that or into it--and here Judy and > Barry agree with > me AND I was on the winning side in a doubles match in a > seniors tennis > league yesterday for the FIRST time this season! (The > season is into > its tenth week of weekly matches, but I've only played > in two others, so > it's not that much of a big deal, but the way I'd > been playing . . . > And we played the top team in the league!) > > So: the stars messed with your eyesight or something, > Barry. When > Pisces gets here, you'll realize your error. For now, > though: thanks. > > --Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:16:56 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry and professors > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > & Views" > > Message-ID: <497A4FE8.2080707@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Judy Prince wrote: > > 'Why poetry needs a professor: the Oxford job > makes many uneasy, but > > like it or not, academia is essential to the art > form' by Robert Potts > > [in today's Guardian.co.uk > ] > > > > Did anyone read this, or does anyone have a comment on > it? > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/jan/22/oxford-poetry-professor?commentpage=1 > > > > Judy > I read the article, which I found bland. Some woman > praised the way the > Professor of Poetry at Oxford would be chosen: by a vote of > the > undergrads, I believe. She was enthralled. That's the > way it should > be--not like the laureateship, which is chosen by > professors, I think, > then okayed by the queen and prime minister. My response > (since I'm on > the mathematics kick): we should choose all professors by > popular vote, > including math professors, professors of philosophy, > chemistry, music, > etc. Idiotic. Although not worse than leaving it up to > professors. I > would have the professors rate the candidates in order of > preference, > one going to the top one. Each candidate would get a > number equal to > the sum of the numbers that professors gave him. I 'd > also have the > public vote on them. The winner would be the one with the > highest > number when you divided the number given him by the > professors by the > number of votes he got. > > As for the blog entry on the article, I commented on it at > the Guardian > website. I thought it dim because the blogger didn't > indicate he > thought the professor should be familiar with all of the > poetries out > there--he just wants a standard academic with a flair for > exciting > students. That's fine for a normal position in a > university but not, I > believe, for this one, which is supposed to be second in > cultural status > to the laureateship. The outgoing professor did a lot for > the career of > Bob Dylan, a real pioneer in poetry, and greatly in need of > money and > encouragement. > > --Bob > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090123/fa27b051/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:50:34 -0600 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Occasionally > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Components of excellence: 4 e's; 2 l's; 2 c's; > 1 n; 1 x. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > > > > Hey! Maybe we could put together a simple list of > the components of > >> Excellence! That shouldn't be hard, and > I'm sure we'd all agree quite > >> readily on them. > >> > > There's a difference between recognition and > articulation, David. But > > there's something to be said that the best poems > do eventually get > > recognized as such by most people. I continually > marvel at the fact that my > > favorite pre-1950 poems are almost all the favorites > of the majority of > > poetry engagents, which I'm sure Judy is talking > about. But I like your > > challenge: here's my attempt to meet it: > > > > Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of > something importantly > > true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably > clear for most people > > but also raised above common prose through uncliched > use (in the view of > > most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or > poetic forms; (3) > > compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size > that few or no other > > poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, > expressive modality (e.g., > > mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > > > > No one, I suppose, will agree with this entirely, but > once I've added > > whatever others tell me I've missed, and otherwise > improved it, I think it > > will have a chance of getting most of the poetry > public to agree that it's > > reasonably close to a definition of excellence in > poetry. > > > > --Bob G. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090123/00aa3e7b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 55, Issue 36 > ****************************************** From jforjames at aol.com Sat Jan 24 19:01:37 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fenollosa unplugged Message-ID: <8CB4C973A3092A1-F3C-122B@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> http://www.fordhampress.com/detail.html?session=8189198f0c3ce7e21d76050e90143666&id=9780823228683 The Chinese Written Character as a Medium for Poetry, Ernest Fenollosa & Ezra Pound, edited by Haun Saussy, Jonathan Stalling and Lucas Klein (Fordham University), ? yes, the very one, and now broader and packaged as a critical edition 90 years later and just as wise and stepped up into contemporary times with some wise insights by Saussy. This edition is now Fenollosa unplugged (less Pound, but his edited text version is here) and the full-fledged original EF essay as he wrote it, accompanied by his many diagrams, characters and notes. Beautiful all around. ? (notice posted here) http://www.longhousepoetry.com/woodburnersnow.html#anchor1210904 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As a Solar Eclipse it chips away at old notions of > competition to reframe our roles within an updated view of community. > Bountiful Jupiter designs innovative models in which self-interest and > the greater good mesh harmoniously and we recognize that what binds us > together is much greater than what drives us apart.* > Thanks, Anny. The actual day is Groundhog Day. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I've also been enjoying Gabe Gudding's Rhode Island Notebook lately, which is basically one long poem (although it has many parts). > I thought my disagreement might reassure you that the stars are not, in fact, more out of joint than usual. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > > Hey, thanks for the disagreement, Alex. But I did mean verbal economy--and actually remember thinking "compactness wasn't quite the right word. "Conciseness" just now struck me as better. To further solidify my . . . whatever it is (I don't want to call it a definition), I would add that a poem can be excellent without one or maybe even two of the four desiderati (if I have that word, which I've never used before though I've read it a lot, right)--if its remaining desiderati are really really super--in the view of the majority of informed observers. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 24 20:25:23 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] disagreeing with Bob In-Reply-To: <718833.87131.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <718833.87131.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497BBF83.3080902@nut-n-but.net> Even "conciseness" isn't right. One can use too many words to good effect sometimes. But I think I would say that "tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" expresses its whole meaning as concisely as that meaning could be expressed. Side-note: I kept thinking maybe the word should be "concision," so looked it and "conciseness" up. Both are in my dictionary, but it says "concision" is "archaic!" That's ridiculous. I just like "conciseness" better here. I can think of contexts where "concision" would work better. --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 12:33:41 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Alexander's text In-Reply-To: <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <648208b60901211508v25d0c4b5p875c641a1860cb87@mail.gmail.com> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: That building was built to last. It's already been hit by a plane and survived. Hal On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Not I--but I'd do a poem for W a lot sooner than I'd do one for Obama or > Clinton. I'd hang it on the Empire State Building--because it's still > there. > > --Bob G. > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090124/7d40bdfd/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 23:37:58 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] disagreeing with Bob In-Reply-To: <497BBF83.3080902@nut-n-but.net> References: <718833.87131.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <497BBF83.3080902@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901242037h62708c9frf1669c28f5d52c31@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty much content with either 'compactness' or 'conciseness', Bob, and I agree that obviously what in some contexts would be wordiness, in other contexts is outstandingly effective. One thing that keeps amazing me about your list is the first point: 'the expression of something importantly true for most people'. It might be obvious to some, but I'd never thought about it and find it brilliant! How did you come to it? Judy 2009/1/24 Bob Grumman > Even "conciseness" isn't right. One can use too many words to good effect > sometimes. But I think I would say that "tomorrow and tomorrow and > tomorrow" expresses its whole meaning as concisely as that meaning could be > expressed. > > Side-note: I kept thinking maybe the word should be "concision," so looked > it and "conciseness" up. Both are in my dictionary, but it says "concision" > is "archaic!" That's ridiculous. I just like "conciseness" better here. I > can think of contexts where "concision" would work better. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We hope you?ll contribute to the second issue by engaging with the practice, poetry and poetics of one of your closest contemporaries. Guidelines: 1. ON encourages contributors to investigate a ?practice,? rather than a solitary poem, chapbook, performance, review, art object, etc. 2. The subject should roughly be of your generation ? generation defined as you see fit. 3. There are no strict limits on page count ? essays in ON 1 ranged from 1 to 18 pages. 4. Please feel free to share this solicitation with writers from your community and colleagues who may have escaped our attention. 5. Submissions should be single-spaced set in 10 pt. Palatino. For additional formatting requirements, please refer to the most recent Chicago Manual of Style. Please send either a hardcopy or PDF along with your word document. 6. We suggest that you check out the first issue if you haven?t done so already. Copies are available from Small Press Distribution. 7. Please also include a 35-word bio. Deadline for submissions is May 1, 2009. ON will be available in print and digital online formats. Please direct all submissions and questions to any of the addresses below, and thank you in advance for being ON. Cordially, Michael Cross Kyle Schlesinger Thom Donovan Distributed by Small Press Distribution: http://www.spdbooks.org/ More info available at: http://oncontemporaries.wordpress.com/ -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:01 AM, wrote: > > http://www.fordhampress.com/detail.html?session=8189198f0c3ce7e21d76050e90143666&id=9780823228683 > > The Chinese Written Character as a Medium for Poetry, Ernest Fenollosa & > Ezra Pound, edited by Haun Saussy, Jonathan Stalling and Lucas Klein > (Fordham University), ? yes, the very one, and now broader and packaged as a > critical edition 90 years later and just as wise and stepped up into > contemporary times with some wise insights by Saussy. This edition is now > Fenollosa unplugged (less Pound, but his edited text version is here) and > the full-fledged original EF essay as he wrote it, accompanied by his many > diagrams, characters and notes. Beautiful all around. > > (notice posted here) > http://www.longhousepoetry.com/woodburnersnow.html#anchor1210904 > > ------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, > celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > might be obvious to some, but I'd never thought about it and find it > brilliant! How did you come to it? Well, I'd have to say the some of the people I've argued with here about what poetry should be have made me keep it in mind, but I've also always felt a poem can't avoid expressing something--at the Buffalo poetics discussion group there have been, still may be, people who are offended by the idea that poems "express" anything. I think they actually simply want a poem to do a lot more than say (as do I), and are against poems that tell stories or describe psychological states (poem as a sort of language machine), but go goofy in believing that's all they should do, forgetting that words have to express something. So I've always thought about what a poem should express as well as what it should do and be. A universal truth is the standard answer. I would say "something archetypal," which seems to me about the same thing. The problem with "universal truth" is that it suggests some moral statement, which I deny a poem needs and don't want mine to have, at least to the fore. Anyway, "something importantly true for most people" is just my latest rendering of the idea. Which isn't that big a deal but maybe i just got a nice set of words for it. Thanks for continuing to consider the question. I wonder how many poets do, considering how few are willing to say anything about it. . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/6a7fe570/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 25 06:54:31 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net><648208b60901211508v25d0c4b5p875c641a 1860cb87@mail.gmail.com><4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> I prize Emily for saying a poem should tell things slant, and I like some of her poems, but this one not only is bad, but hilarious so--to me. I would even question its premise, that we don't want to continue to love a person who has just died. I sort of know what she means but she says it poorly, as well as tinkingly formulaically--even, I would hope, for people who believe in "Eternity." And the image of my little valentine heart falling out onto the floor when someone has died seems funny to me, as does the cute image of sweeping it up. 1108. The Bustle in a House The Morning after Death Is solemnest of industries Enacted upon Earth ? The Sweeping up the Heart And putting Love away We shall not want to use again Until Eternity ? ---Emily Dickinson From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sun Jan 25 08:03:18 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] disagreeing with Bob In-Reply-To: <497C4F6B.2010106@nut-n-but.net> References: <718833.87131.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <497BBF83.3080902@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901242037h62708c9frf1669c28f5d52c31@mail.gmail.com> <497C4F6B.2010106@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901250503k36619254j826e2c9eb4effdf@mail.gmail.com> Yes, you've 'got a nice set of words for it', Bob: 'Something that's importantly true for most people'. Whether or not you keep the initial phrase 'the expression of', seems to me such a fine hair as to be invisible in importance. [An aside: We're getting together a list of characteristics of Excellent poetry, not saying what Excellent poetry 'should' be (what others might call 'descriptive', not 'prescriptive')] And, finally, you wonder how many poets actually consider the first characteristic you've written ['something importantly true for most people'] because you observe how few are willing to say anything about it. Most of the time most folks in any group don't comment [openly, anyway] on anything; a very few folk comment on most topics. If we're talking about wages or sex, or we're goring an ox---that changes things a bit. Otherwise, tho, we can assume anything we want about WHY people don't comment. I'm gonna assume that it's because they're agreeing with you, Bob. What's nice is that people 'appear' when they're needed, and that we're fortunate to be in a group like this one. fractal poet, Judy 2009/1/25 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > > I'm pretty much content with either 'compactness' or 'conciseness', Bob, > and I agree that obviously what in some contexts would be wordiness, in > other contexts is outstandingly effective. > One thing that keeps amazing me about your list is the first point: 'the > expression of something importantly true for most people'. It might be > obvious to some, but I'd never thought about it and find it brilliant! How > did you come to it? > > Well, I'd have to say the some of the people I've argued with here about > what poetry should be > have made me keep it in mind, but I've also always felt a poem can't avoid > expressing something--at the Buffalo poetics discussion group there have > been, still may be, people who are offended by the idea that poems "express" > anything. I think they actually simply want a poem to do a lot more than > say (as do I), and are against poems that tell stories or describe > psychological states (poem as a sort of language machine), but go goofy in > believing that's all they should do, forgetting that words have to express > something. So I've always thought about what a poem should express as well > as what it should do and be. A universal truth is the standard answer. I > would say "something archetypal," which seems to me about the same thing. > The problem with "universal truth" is that it suggests some moral statement, > which I deny a poem needs and don't want mine to have, at least to the > fore. Anyway, "something importantly true for most people" is just my > latest rendering of the idea. Which isn't that big a deal but maybe i just > got a nice set of words for it. > > Thanks for continuing to consider the question. I wonder how many poets > do, considering how few are willing to say anything about it. . . . > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Whether or not you keep the > initial phrase 'the expression of', seems to me such a fine hair as to > be invisible in importance. > > [An aside: We're getting together a list of characteristics of > Excellent poetry, not saying what Excellent poetry 'should' be (what > others might call 'descriptive', not 'prescriptive')] I hope so. > And, finally, you wonder how many poets actually consider the first > characteristic you've written ['something importantly true for most > people'] because you observe how few are willing to say anything about > it. Most of the time most folks in any group don't comment [openly, > anyway] on anything; a very few folk comment on most topics. If we're > talking about wages or sex, or we're goring an ox---that changes > things a bit. Otherwise, tho, we can assume anything we want about > WHY people don't comment. I'm gonna assume that it's because they're > agreeing with you, Bob. Oh, no, Judy! Anything but THAT! > > What's nice is that people 'appear' when they're needed, and that > we're fortunate to be in a group like this one. Definitely. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 09:02:41 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> I think Emily is observing and I find it ironical, and a great Emily poem, as many are. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I prize Emily for saying a poem should tell things slant, and I like some > of her poems, but this one not only is bad, but hilarious so--to me. I > would even question its premise, that we don't want to continue to love a > person who has just died. I sort of know what she means but she says it > poorly, as well as tinkingly formulaically--even, I would hope, for people > who believe in "Eternity." And the image of my little valentine heart > falling out onto the floor when someone has died seems funny to me, as does > the cute image of sweeping it up. > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth ? > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity ? > > ---Emily Dickinson > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/c2ca0fe6/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 25 10:03:02 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> What you want and what you get are often two different things. She may be going through the motions, almost sleepwalking through them, of getting on with her life, but she's not really going to be able to to stay numb until eternity. Anny Ballardini wrote: > I think Emily is observing and I find it ironical, and a great Emily > poem, as many are. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > > I prize Emily for saying a poem should tell things slant, and I > like some of her poems, but this one not only is bad, but > hilarious so--to me. I would even question its premise, that we > don't want to continue to love a person who has just died. I sort > of know what she means but she says it poorly, as well as > tinkingly formulaically--even, I would hope, for people who > believe in "Eternity." And the image of my little valentine heart > falling out onto the floor when someone has died seems funny to > me, as does the cute image of sweeping it up. > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth ? > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity ? > > ---Emily Dickinson > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 10:06:41 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for Brooklyners Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901250706o5c1377f3rd83993b64010a36a@mail.gmail.com> show details 6:47 AM (9 hours ago) [image: http://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif] Reply [image: http://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif] Poetry Grows in Carroll Gardens and Brooklyn Heights: THE BROWNSTONE POETS READING SERIES: Current February Schedule: New Saturday Venue and Time! In Brooklyn Heights at Park Plaza Restaurant: Saturday, February 7 at 2PM Daniel Fernandez & Evie Ivy Park Plaza Restaurant 220 Cadman Plaza West near Clark St. & Pineapple Walk Brooklyn, NY 11201 - 718 ? 596 ? 5900 Take the A or C to High Street, 2 or 3 to Clark Street, 4, 5, M or R to Court Street, Borough Hall $3 Donation ? plus Food/Drink - Open Mic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In Carrol Gardens at The Fall Cafe Tuesday, February 17 at 7PM Louis Reyes Rivera, Hal Sirowitz & Juanita Torrence-Thompson The Fall Caf? 307 Smith St. (between Union & President Sts.) Brooklyn, NY 11231 Phone # 718 ? 403 - 0230 Take the F or G train to Carroll St. & exit at President St. $3 Donation ? plus Food/Drink ? Limited Open Mic --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bios: Daniel Fernandez Daniel Fernandez, lyric poet and versedramatist, is the founder and director of Parnassian Plays, a showcase for his work. He has a B.A. in English from Columbia College and is fluent in Spanish, French. Italian, Russian and German. Several of his works have been given staged readings in New York City by Parnassian Plays. His Alexander Hamilton toured branches of The New York Public Library and the Morris-Jumel Mansion in 1988-89. The California Olympiad of the Arts produced his prize-winning play Phaedra. He has won numerous poetry awards and his poems have appeared in several publications. In 2007, he won the $1500 first prize from the National Federation of State Poetry Societies. He is the director of the New York Poetry Forum and a member of Poets and Writers. Pivot Press published his poetry book Flight Numbers. Evie Ivy Evie Ivy is a poet/dancer in the NYC poetry circuit. She teaches the ancient art of belly dancing as exercise and fun. She's been hosting poetry readings for about fifteen years and currently hosts The Green Pavilion Poetry Event in Brooklyn, the last Wednesday of every month. Her poetry has been heard on cable TV and radio. She's featured in poetry venues in the tri-state area. Her book out is "The First Woman Who Danced," which includes most of her poetry based on her experiences with the dance, and two chapbooks. Louis Reyes Rivera Known as the Janitor of History, poet/essayist Louis Reyes Rivera has been studying the craft of writing since 1960 and teaching it since 1969. The recipient of over 20 awards, including a New York Foundation for the Arts Fellowship (2003), a Lifetime Achievement Award (1995), a Special Congressional Recognition Award (1988), and the CCNY 125th Anniversary Medal (1973) --each of which were given in recognition of his scholarship and impact on contemporary literature-- Rivera has assisted in the publication of well over 200 books, including Adal Maldonado's Portraits of the Puerto Rican Experience (IPRUS, 1984), John Oliver Killens' Great Black Russian (Wayne State U., 1989), and Bum Rush The Page: A Def Poetry Jam (Crown Publishers, 2001), co-edited with Tony Medina. An internationally recognized literary figure with translations of his work appearing in the Russian, Latvian, Spanish and Italian languages, Rivera has been consistently viewed by many as a living bridge between the African and Latino American communities. He has distinguished himself as a professor of Creative Writing, Pan-African Literature, African-American Culture and History, Caribbean History, Puerto Rican History, and Nuyorican Literature, and has taught these courses at such institutions as SUNY@Stony Brook, Hunter College, College of New Rochelle, LaGuardia College, Pratt Institute, and Boricua College, among others. As well, he has completed the translation of Clemente Soto Vel?z's Caballo de Palo/Broomstick Stallion, and is presently working on the collected poems of Otto Rene Castillo of Guatemala, Por el bien de todos/For the good of all. Over the past 28 years, his essays and poems have appeared in numerous publications, including Areyto, Boletin (Center for Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter), The City Sun, African Voices, and in several award-winning collections: In Defense of Mumia; ALOUD: Live from the Nuyorican Poets Cafe; Of Sons And Lovers; and his own Scattered Scripture, for which he received the 1997 Poetry Award from the Latin American Writers Institute. Since 1996, Louis Reyes Rivera hosted a reading series in Brooklyn, 1st & 3rd Sundays Jazzoetry & Open Mic @ Sistas' Place (where he continues to conduct a writing workshop), and has appeared in Jazz clubs and festivals with The Sun Ra All-Stars Project, Ahmed Abdullah's Diaspora, Ebonic Tones, the James Spaulding Ensemble, and his own band, The Jazzoets. He appeared on the Peabody award-winning HBO show, DEF POETRY JAM, and can be heard every Thursday, at 2pm, on radio station WBAI (99.5 FM) hosting PERSPECTIVE (streamed at wbai.org/ archives). Hal Sirowitz Hal Sirowitz first began to attract attention at the Nuyorican Poets Cafe where he was a frequent competitor in their Friday Night Poetry Slam. He eventually made the 1993 Nuyorican Poetry Slam team, and competed in the 1993 National Poetry Slam (held that year in San Francisco) along with his Nuyorican teammates Maggie Estep, Tracie Morris and Regie Cabico. Sirowitz would later perform his poetry on stages across the country, and on television programs such as MTV's Spoken Word: Unplugged and PBS's The United States of Poetry. He has written six books on poetry and is arguably best known for the volumes Mother Said, My Therapist Said and Father Said. Sirowitz is a 1994 recipient of an NEA Fellowship in Poetry and is the former Poet Laureate of Queens, New York. He worked as a special education teacher in the New York public school system for 23 years. He is married to the writer Mary Minter Krotzer. Juanita Torrence-Thompson JUANITA TORRENCE-THOMPSON is Editor-in-Chief and publisher of the 26-year-old international literary journal, MOBIUS, THE POETRY MAGAZINE. -- SMALL MAGAZINE REVIEW named MOBIUS 2007 & 2008 a "best" magazine. Her poetry and prose is published in Canada, Europe, Australia and widely in U.S. journals and online as well as in her New York and Massachusetts newspaper columns. Her fifth poetry book NEW YORK AND AFRICAN TAPESTRIES. (Fly By Night Press) was a SMALL PRESS REVIEW "best pick". Among her recent awards is 5th prize out of 4,000 poems in WRITERS DIGEST POETRY AWARD. She has read on TV and radio. She's headlined in Singapore, Switzerland, South Africa and extensively in the U.S., Venues where Torrence-Thompson has performed are ivy league universities, schools, libraries, bookstores, theatres and for Queens Borough President, Helen Marshall, at Borough Hall. Patricia Carragon Curator, Editor The Brownstone Poets -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/83d14647/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 25 11:46:07 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net><4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net><497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497C974F.4050700@nut-n-but.net> Anny Ballardini wrote: > I think Emily is observing and I find it ironical, and a great Emily > poem, as many are. Well, I'd like some signal in the poem that irony is intended. But maybe if her oeuvre suggests that she scorns the idea of the Christian Eternity we could take this as ironic. And that dud about how she hasn't been to London but knows it exists, so Heaven, which she also hasn't been to, must exist, too. In any case, when I read the poem, which I got through cyberspace, I laughed out loud at the last line. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 25 11:53:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net><4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> Message-ID: <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> >> >> 1108. >> >> The Bustle in a House >> The Morning after Death >> Is solemnest of industries >> Enacted upon Earth ? >> >> The Sweeping up the Heart >> And putting Love away >> We shall not want to use again >> Until Eternity ? >> >> ---Emily Dickinson Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like it. The combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, for me. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 12:00:49 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901250900k5027d630gb53d02199fdd3c7@mail.gmail.com> I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this poem, but I stand with my interpretation because Eternity is now, as it was before and will be, there is therefore no putting Love away. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >>> 1108. >>> >>> The Bustle in a House >>> The Morning after Death >>> Is solemnest of industries >>> Enacted upon Earth ? >>> >>> The Sweeping up the Heart >>> And putting Love away >>> We shall not want to use again >>> Until Eternity ? >>> >>> ---Emily Dickinson >>> >> Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased instead of > love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one won't have any use for > love again until meeting the deceased in Eternity. That makes it better, > but I still don't like it. The combination of jingle and sentimentality is > too much, for me. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/0a665d03/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 25 13:00:02 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70901250900k5027d630gb53d02199fdd3c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250900k5027d630gb53d02199fdd3c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497CA8A2.2030306@opus40.org> I'll buy that -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but it jibes with my idea that she is never going to be able to put love away -- in fact, it's advances it. Anny Ballardini wrote: > I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this poem, but I > stand with my interpretation because Eternity is now, as it was before > and will be, there is therefore no putting Love away. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth ? > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity ? > > ---Emily Dickinson > > Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased > instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one > won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in > Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like it. The > combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, for me. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 13:23:44 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <497CA8A2.2030306@opus40.org> References: <631678F2-5FA2-4961-9FAD-819CB141EA75@myuw.net> <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250900k5027d630gb53d02199fdd3c7@mail.gmail.com> <497CA8A2.2030306@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901251023x16579940w17c5b6e27d03d167@mail.gmail.com> We get to the same point through different ways. Yes, that is Emily's message. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > I'll buy that -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but it jibes with my idea > that she is never going to be able to put love away -- in fact, it's > advances it. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this poem, but I >> stand with my interpretation because Eternity is now, as it was before and >> will be, there is therefore no putting Love away. >> >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net>> wrote: >> >> >> >> 1108. >> >> The Bustle in a House >> The Morning after Death >> Is solemnest of industries >> Enacted upon Earth ? >> >> The Sweeping up the Heart >> And putting Love away >> We shall not want to use again >> Until Eternity ? >> >> ---Emily Dickinson >> >> Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased >> instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one >> won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in >> Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like it. The >> combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, for me. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, that is Emily's > message. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> I'll buy that -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but it jibes with my >> idea that she is never going to be able to put love away -- in fact, it's >> advances it. >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >>> I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this poem, but I >>> stand with my interpretation because Eternity is now, as it was before and >>> will be, there is therefore no putting Love away. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman >> bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1108. >>> >>> The Bustle in a House >>> The Morning after Death >>> Is solemnest of industries >>> Enacted upon Earth ? >>> >>> The Sweeping up the Heart >>> And putting Love away >>> We shall not want to use again >>> Until Eternity ? >>> >>> ---Emily Dickinson >>> >>> Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased >>> instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one >>> won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in >>> Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like it. The >>> combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, for me. >>> >>> --Bob G. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/89c525e2/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Jan 25 13:41:08 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: <4977CE69.4090402@nut-n-but.net> <497C52F7.2090301@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250602s48f23cb2jc2892150615c28a0@mail.gmail.com> <497C7F26.1020207@opus40.org> <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> <4b65c2d70901250900k5027d630gb53d02199fdd3c7@mail.gmail.com> <497CA8A2.2030306@opus40.org> <4b65c2d70901251023x16579940w17c5b6e27d03d167@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497CB244.9020903@opus40.org> Nah, she was a New Englander through and through. She'd have used Eastern Union. Halvard Johnson wrote: > I think that if Emily had wanted to send a message she'd have used > Western Union. > > Hal > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Anny Ballardini > > wrote: > > We get to the same point through different ways. Yes, that is > Emily's message. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM, TheOldMole > wrote: > > I'll buy that -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but it jibes > with my idea that she is never going to be able to put love > away -- in fact, it's advances it. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this > poem, but I stand with my interpretation because Eternity > is now, as it was before and will be, there is therefore > no putting Love away. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman > > >> wrote: > > > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth ? > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity ? > > ---Emily Dickinson > > Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the > deceased > instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, > so one > won't have any use for love again until meeting the > deceased in > Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like > it. The > combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, > for me. > > --Bob G. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From matthew.shindell at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 15:00:38 2009 From: matthew.shindell at gmail.com (Matthew Shindell) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Invitation from Message-ID: <200901251712.n0PHCm0M016359@wiz.cath.vt.edu> You will like it. Click to find out why http://www.bebo.com/in/8533261079a793462241b135 ...................................................................... This email was sent to you at the direct request of Matthew Shindell . You have not been added to a mailing list. If you would prefer not to receive invitations from ANY Bebo members please click here - http://www.bebo.com/unsub/8533261079a793462241 Bebo, Inc., 795 Folsom St, 6th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94107, USA. From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 19:03:29 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497A3642.8060709@nut-n-but.net> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <497A3642.8060709@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> And yet I bet all three of you will disagree on 90% or more of poems. Which is why the definitions are good for arguing, but not for much else beyond the person who is dictating which fits them. c On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:27, Bob Grumman wrote: > Barry Spacks wrote: >> >> On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: >>> >>> Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something >>> importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear >>> for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched use >>> (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic >>> forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that >>> few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, expressive >>> modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. >>> >> The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! >> >> astounded, >> >> Barry > > Something's going on. I hate to say astrology, but I'm an Aquarius, and > we're at the cusp of that or into it--and here Judy and Barry agree with me > AND I was on the winning side in a doubles match in a seniors tennis league > yesterday for the FIRST time this season! (The season is into its tenth > week of weekly matches, but I've only played in two others, so it's not that > much of a big deal, but the way I'd been playing . . . And we played the > top team in the league!) > So: the stars messed with your eyesight or something, Barry. When Pisces > gets here, you'll realize your error. For now, though: thanks. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Chris Lott From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 19:06:49 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] ON: Contemporary Practice 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70901240354v698e9f01l7857f5b6bc6fd3e5@mail.gmail.com> <497C4B6E.3050907@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901251606q131d665dya351e7f4264e5364@mail.gmail.com> Which really is in perfect keeping with the grotesque description and characteristics of the poetry they seek at the beginning. It's a very symmetrical call for incoherent crap. c On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 08:19, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Even weirder--a bio of exactly 35 words. > > Hal > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Bob Grumman > wrote: >> >> Weird that they require a specific font. >> >> --Bob > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Chris Lott From halvard at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 19:21:59 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: Fwd: [New-Poetry] ON: Contemporary Practice 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70901240354v698e9f01l7857f5b6bc6fd3e5@mail.gmail.com> <497C4B6E.3050907@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901251606q131d665dya351e7f4264e5364@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I've got nothing against incoherent crap. It makes things grow. And I've, of late, been writing little essays exactly 300 words in length (not counting titles). Why? Oh, just the pleasure of it, I would guess. Hal, who rarely knows why he does anything On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Chris Lott wrote: Which really is in perfect keeping with the grotesque description and > characteristics of the poetry they seek at the beginning. It's a very > symmetrical call for incoherent crap. > > c > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 08:19, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Even weirder--a bio of exactly 35 words. > > > > Hal > > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > >> > >> Weird that they require a specific font. > >> > >> --Bob > > -- > Chris Lott > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/8ce7ee7b/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 19:25:40 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] ON: Contemporary Practice 2 In-Reply-To: References: <4b65c2d70901240354v698e9f01l7857f5b6bc6fd3e5@mail.gmail.com> <497C4B6E.3050907@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901251606q131d665dya351e7f4264e5364@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0901251625g13bbb4d7j76c8e99a5531305e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 15:21, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > Oh, I've got nothing against incoherent crap. It makes things grow. And > I've, of late, been writing little essays exactly 300 words in length (not > counting titles). Why? Oh, just the pleasure of it, I would guess. > > Hal, who rarely knows why he does anything It doesn't bother me either-- I don't have to read it! I just thought the details at the end were in perfect keeping with the grad school lit studies approach exhibited at the beginning. I know the crap makes things grow, and I suppose we don't always want to know how the sausage gets made, but I've no idea what grotesques spring from that ground... c From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sun Jan 25 21:16:58 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <497A3642.8060709@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901251816t40eff6a6rf1c8332a626a618c@mail.gmail.com> Intriguing point, Chris. I think you'd win the bet, and would like to go ahead and be part of an experiment with us three, if Bob and Barry are game. Would love to find out why and where we disagree. Do you want to choose the poems? Judy who already disagrees with Bob about Dickinson's poem 2009/1/25 Chris Lott > And yet I bet all three of you will disagree on 90% or more of poems. > Which is why the definitions are good for arguing, but not for much > else beyond the person who is dictating which fits them. > > c > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:27, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > Barry Spacks wrote: > >> > >> On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bob wrote: > >>> > >>> Excellence in poetry comes from (1) the expression of something > >>> importantly true for most people; (2) words that are reasonably clear > >>> for most people but also raised above common prose through uncliched > use > >>> (in the view of most engagents) of various poetic devices and/or poetic > >>> forms; (3) compactness, and (4) something else of sufficient size that > >>> few or no other poems have such as uncommon diction, grammar, > expressive > >>> modality (e.g., mathematics, visual art), and imagery. > >>> > >> The day has come...I AGREE with Bob!! > >> > >> astounded, > >> > >> Barry > > > > Something's going on. I hate to say astrology, but I'm an Aquarius, and > > we're at the cusp of that or into it--and here Judy and Barry agree with > me > > AND I was on the winning side in a doubles match in a seniors tennis > league > > yesterday for the FIRST time this season! (The season is into its tenth > > week of weekly matches, but I've only played in two others, so it's not > that > > much of a big deal, but the way I'd been playing . . . And we played the > > top team in the league!) > > So: the stars messed with your eyesight or something, Barry. When Pisces > > gets here, you'll realize your error. For now, though: thanks. > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Chris Lott > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/70a1680f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Jan 25 21:40:57 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu><497A3642.8060709@nut- n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > And yet I bet all three of you will disagree on 90% or more of poems. > Which is why the definitions are good for arguing, but not for much > else beyond the person who is dictating which fits them. > > c I tend to disagree although it's a complicated issue, Chris. First off, I think if we took all the poems that all three of us agree are excellent, they would all fit the definition. Second, it's possible that we would agree that many others were excellent poems although we didn't like them. Third, one could argue that the poems we don't all agree are excellent are NOT--OR, that they are not YET excellent poems, the idea being that excellence requires acceptance, and that can take time. Also, a definition has value by giving people something to go by--they can agree on the definition but not its application. They can say Poem X is bad because it fails to meet criterion f, rather than it's bad because it's bad. Or it's neither bad nor good, and it doesn't matter. I don't, by the way, see how my definition (I'm uneasy about calling it a definition, I need to point out) has anything to do with dictating what fits me. At least in any narrow sense. There's also the problem of the problem of the subjective use/misuse of the definition. For instance, are kinds of biases will get into its application to any one poem. Some people, for instance, incapable of finding any poem by Shakespeare to be defective in any way. Or by Dickinson. Idolatry get sin the way. Or the problem of a second-rate poem crying out for an end to racism versus a first-rate poem that's about baseball. Poems most people agree with get too much credit. One reason I dislike the Dickinson poem is because (unless it's ironic) Dickinson's religion doesn't appeal to me. I don't think that keeps me from recognizing it as a good poem, for I don't like Hopkins's religion, either, but find some of his most religious poems excellent. But who knows. The point: a definition shouldn't be denigrated because people can't use it properly. Bob, off-handedly From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sun Jan 25 22:12:09 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> It'll take me some time to get through this, Bob, but parts of it make me think of several recent instances when folks thought a poem was describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet [alive and well and participating in the discussion] had intended. I also think that there's a woman/man difference in 'seeing' what's going on in a poem. Undoubtedly, there's also a religious perception difference, as you mention. I guess one could say that these perception differences are a separate issue from evaluating the Excellence of a poem. It does seem that the good ole 'classics' don't suffer from such differing perceptions---but that may be because we've studied their contexts, histories and techniques, so we're mostly on the same 'page'. For all these reasons and more, I think an experiment such as Chris has 'proposed' would be surprising and helpful. And it would give us the [unusual] opportunity to DISAGREE! Best, Judy 2009/1/25 Bob Grumman > Chris Lott wrote: > >> And yet I bet all three of you will disagree on 90% or more of poems. >> Which is why the definitions are good for arguing, but not for much >> else beyond the person who is dictating which fits them. >> >> c >> > I tend to disagree although it's a complicated issue, Chris. First off, I > think if we took all the poems that all three of us agree are excellent, > they would all fit the definition. Second, it's possible that we would > agree that many others were excellent poems although we didn't like them. > Third, one could argue that the poems we don't all agree are excellent are > NOT--OR, that they are not YET excellent poems, the idea being that > excellence requires acceptance, and that can take time. > > Also, a definition has value by giving people something to go by--they can > agree on the definition but not its application. They can say Poem X is bad > because it fails to meet criterion f, rather than it's bad because it's bad. > Or it's neither bad nor good, and it doesn't matter. > > I don't, by the way, see how my definition (I'm uneasy about calling it a > definition, I need to point out) has anything to do with dictating what fits > me. At least in any narrow sense. > There's also the problem of the problem of the subjective use/misuse of the > definition. For instance, are kinds of biases will get into its application > to any one poem. Some people, for instance, incapable of finding any poem > by Shakespeare to be defective in any way. Or by Dickinson. Idolatry get > sin the way. Or the problem of a second-rate poem crying out for an end to > racism versus a first-rate poem that's about baseball. Poems most people > agree with get too much credit. One reason I dislike the Dickinson poem is > because (unless it's ironic) Dickinson's religion doesn't appeal to me. I > don't think that keeps me from recognizing it as a good poem, for I don't > like Hopkins's religion, either, but find some of his most religious poems > excellent. But who knows. > > The point: a definition shouldn't be denigrated because people can't use it > properly. > Bob, off-handedly > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090125/ad46692e/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 06:25:26 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu><9b1b9dab0901251603o3e b709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com><497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497D9DA6.3080501@nut-n-but.net> I'm game for such an experiment, Judy. Using the definition, say whether a given poem is excellent or not and why. Thinking more on the subject, I realized more and more that however good a definition is, its application will always be difficult. I thought of what an excellent automobile would be. I think everyone would agree on a definition: inexpensive to buy and maintain, comfortable, easy-to-drive, safe, etc. But who would want one of those Jap cars? Or an ugly purple one? W!hat about the car that doesn't last a year? Not excellent or misused? Another big problem with applying the excellent poetry definition is habituation. I've mention lack of it causing people to downgrade a poem--but what about the poem that was excellent 200 years ago but seems stale now because we're so used to the once-fresh qualities it had? --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 26 07:37:40 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497D9DA6.3080501@nut-n-but.net> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> <497D9DA6.3080501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901260437t4eb0068dx43af5126a94bc4c3@mail.gmail.com> 'Morning, Bob. Seems like the only difficult-to-nail car characteristic would be its beauty, but even that would be possible to agree upon. I'm eager to see what we 3 would disagree about and why. Judy 2009/1/26 Bob Grumman > I'm game for such an experiment, Judy. Using the definition, say whether a > given poem is excellent or not and why. > > Thinking more on the subject, I realized more and more that however good a > definition is, its application will always be difficult. I thought of what > an excellent automobile would be. I think everyone would agree on a > definition: inexpensive to buy and maintain, comfortable, easy-to-drive, > safe, etc. But who would want one of those Jap cars? Or an ugly purple > one? W!hat about the car that doesn't last a year? Not excellent or > misused? > > > Another big problem with applying the excellent poetry definition is > habituation. I've mention lack of it causing people to downgrade a > poem--but what about the poem that was excellent 200 years ago but seems > stale now because we're so used to the once-fresh qualities it had? > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Taking Bierce as a model, all writers are invited to send one or two original dictionary entries?maximum length, two hundred words each?for publication consideration; those writers who include with their submission a paid order for a new, renewed, or gift subscription to *The Georgia Review* ($30) may send up to six dictionary entries. All entries will be considered for publication in our pages and/or on our website. All accepted authors will receive an honorarium and also will be eligible to receive "The Devil's Due" in the amount of $500 for first place, $150 for second, and $100 for third. Please write "Devil's Dictionary" on the submission envelope. The postmark deadline is 30 June 2009, with no electronic submissions accepted and no reply absent a stamped, self-addressed return envelope. Best, Jeff Newberry -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would add, now that you have me thinking about it, that a poem's beauty of thought is irrelevant, or its beauty of anything else other than its beauty as a work of art. Or its excellence as such. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jan 26 09:24:49 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497DC7B1.2090908@opus40.org> Re "several recent instances when folks thought a poem was describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet [alive and well and participating in the discussion] had intended" -- Robert Creeley, for example. Most people read it that John tells him to drive but for Christ sake look out where he's going -- John approves of his way of striking out against the darkness, but suggests caution. "Drive, He Said" even became the title of a novel. Creeley said (after many years silence on the subject) that wasn't it at all. The speaker talks about buying a goddamn big car and driving; John, who hasn't been paying any attention at all to his friend who's always talking, simply warns him to look out where he's walking -- perhaps about to cross the street against traffic. This poem may upset Bob's religious sensibilities, too -- the speaker is willing to risk the damnation of God to strike out against the encroaching darkness, John urges caution in the name of Christ. Judy Prince wrote: > It'll take me some time to get through this, Bob, but parts of it make > me think of several recent instances when folks thought a poem was > describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet [alive > and well and participating in the discussion] had intended. I also > think that there's a woman/man difference in 'seeing' what's going on > in a poem. Undoubtedly, there's also a religious perception > difference, as you mention. I guess one could say that these > perception differences are a separate issue from evaluating the > Excellence of a poem. It does seem that the good ole 'classics' don't > suffer from such differing perceptions---but that may be because we've > studied their contexts, histories and techniques, so we're mostly on > the same 'page'. > > For all these reasons and more, I think an experiment such as Chris > has 'proposed' would be surprising and helpful. And it would give us > the [unusual] opportunity to DISAGREE! > > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/1/25 Bob Grumman > > > Chris Lott wrote: > > And yet I bet all three of you will disagree on 90% or more of > poems. > Which is why the definitions are good for arguing, but not for > much > else beyond the person who is dictating which fits them. > > c > > I tend to disagree although it's a complicated issue, Chris. > First off, I think if we took all the poems that all three of us > agree are excellent, they would all fit the definition. Second, > it's possible that we would agree that many others were excellent > poems although we didn't like them. Third, one could argue that > the poems we don't all agree are excellent are NOT--OR, that they > are not YET excellent poems, the idea being that excellence > requires acceptance, and that can take time. > > Also, a definition has value by giving people something to go > by--they can agree on the definition but not its application. > They can say Poem X is bad because it fails to meet criterion f, > rather than it's bad because it's bad. Or it's neither bad nor > good, and it doesn't matter. > > I don't, by the way, see how my definition (I'm uneasy about > calling it a definition, I need to point out) has anything to do > with dictating what fits me. At least in any narrow sense. > There's also the problem of the problem of the subjective > use/misuse of the definition. For instance, are kinds of biases > will get into its application to any one poem. Some people, for > instance, incapable of finding any poem by Shakespeare to be > defective in any way. Or by Dickinson. Idolatry get sin the way. > Or the problem of a second-rate poem crying out for an end to > racism versus a first-rate poem that's about baseball. Poems most > people agree with get too much credit. One reason I dislike the > Dickinson poem is because (unless it's ironic) Dickinson's > religion doesn't appeal to me. I don't think that keeps me from > recognizing it as a good poem, for I don't like Hopkins's > religion, either, but find some of his most religious poems > excellent. But who knows. > > The point: a definition shouldn't be denigrated because people > can't use it properly. > Bob, off-handedly > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From editor at pavementsaw.org Mon Jan 26 10:14:42 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] small press for sale In-Reply-To: <200901251215.n0PCFI0N008781@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <236805.96345.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Even though one sent me a poetic death threat I know these are good younger gentlemen invested heavy in unflowery poesy. Auction ends sunday, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190282602821 Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 10:28:22 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Don Welch chosen by Ted Kooser Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901260728s12dc60cdo7d03c9c93da750e6@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to American Life in Poetry. For information on permissions and usage, or to download a PDF version of the column, visit www.americanlifeinpoetry.org. ****************************** American Life in Poetry: Column 201 BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006 by Don Welch At 14 To be shy, to lower your eyes after making a greeting. to know wherever you go you'll be called on, to fear whoever you're near will ask you, to wear the softer sides of the air in rooms filled with angers, your ship always docked in transparent slips whose wharves are sheerer than membranes. American Life in Poetry is made possible by The Poetry Foundation (www.poetryfoundation.org), publisher of Poetry magazine. It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright (c)2008 by Don Welch. Reprinted from "When Memory Gives Dust a Face," by Don Welch, published by Lewis-Clark Press, 2008, by permission of Don Welch and the publisher. 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To discontinue your subscription to American Life in Poetry, please reply to this e-mail with the subject line 'unsubscribe.' -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we don't hear from Barry about participating with us in this millenially awesome experiment, what do you propose? I think we should ask for a volunteer or two, and if we get no takers in a few days, we should force Ole Mole to participate; after all, he made the mistake of sending in a message, pore t'ing. Monday Monday Judy 2009/1/26 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> 'Morning, Bob. Seems like the only difficult-to-nail car characteristic >> would be its beauty, but even that would be possible to agree upon. I'm >> eager to see what we 3 would disagree about and why. >> >> Judy >> > Hey, Judy! "Beauty" ain't in the definition! To me, it would be, in this > instance, a synonym for "excellence." I would add, now that you have me > thinking about it, that a poem's beauty of thought is irrelevant, or its > beauty of anything else other than its beauty as a work of art. Or its > excellence as such. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/53391162/attachment.html From editor at pavementsaw.org Mon Jan 26 10:31:29 2009 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Curtis Crisler Message-ID: <121308.15658.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Tough Boy Sonatas by Curtis Crisler is a beautiful book, incredibly high production values, hardcover, odd sized. Enviable. It is set up in a heavily illustrated way, which reminds me of the "blaxploitation" childrens books of the 1970's. There was a breakthrough story of a black child playing in the snow, think it won the Caldecott award, it sold like mad. Large publishers suddenly realized that urban kids parents might be alienated by stories in suburban settings and there might be money with different settings and characters. So then new versions of all irrelevant suburban tales and morals showed up coated in gritty art like this. It's a great book of labor poetry. A chapbook of his Spill came out from a small southern press, Keyhole. Has one of the best poems I read in 2008. I read a lot of poems in 2008. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Jan 26 10:33:15 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Excellence Message-ID: Excellence Excellence is millimeters and not miles. From poor to good is great. From good to best is small. From almost best to best sometimes not measurable. The man who leaps the highest leaps perhaps an inch Above the runner-up. How glorious the inch and that split-second longer in the air before the fall. --Robert Francis ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[BTW, if my description list of what poets are like meets with anyone's disapproval, I remind you that it's MY OPINION; you can have yours, too, and I'd like to hear it] So if readers of a novel are as confused as Creeley's poem readers, that would be a big minus for the novelist's writing creds. On the other hand, up to very recently in the arts, the aim to confuse, distort, puzzle, and confound has been paramount. It's scary to put forth something that's clear and obvious. Much easier to hope the hearer/reader/looker will see something and credit us with it. Best, Judy 2009/1/26 TheOldMole > Re "several recent instances when folks thought a poem was > describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet [alive and > well and participating in the discussion] had intended" -- Robert Creeley, > for example. Most people read it that John tells him to drive but for Christ > sake look out where he's going -- John approves of his way of striking out > against the darkness, but suggests caution. "Drive, He Said" even became the > title of a novel. Creeley said (after many years silence on the subject) > that wasn't it at all. The speaker talks about buying a goddamn big car and > driving; John, who hasn't been paying any attention at all to his friend > who's always talking, simply warns him to look out where he's walking -- > perhaps about to cross the street against traffic. > > This poem may upset Bob's religious sensibilities, too -- the speaker is > willing to risk the damnation of God to strike out against the encroaching > darkness, John urges caution in the name of Christ. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/19f234e2/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 11:51:47 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] small press for sale In-Reply-To: <236805.96345.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <646599.97113.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> So many men folk fit in one box! Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Mon, 1/26/09, David Baratier wrote: From: David Baratier Subject: [New-Poetry] small press for sale To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:14 AM Even though one sent me a poetic death threat I know these are good younger gentlemen invested heavy in unflowery poesy. Auction ends sunday, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190282602821 Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/82cb60bc/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 26 12:27:03 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Government support of arts in the USA Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901260927t54ee7c6gf509c74bec26a71e@mail.gmail.com> Some potentially good news for arts in the USA in today's NYT online: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/arts/26nea.html Best, Judy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/dacac61c/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 13:23:48 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497DC7B1.2090908@opus40.org> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> <497DC7B1.2090908@opus40.org> Message-ID: <497DFFB4.8030101@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Re "several recent instances when folks thought a poem was > describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet [alive > and well and participating in the discussion] had intended" -- Robert > Creeley, for example. Most people read it that John tells him to drive > but for Christ sake look out where he's going -- John approves of his > way of striking out against the darkness, but suggests caution. > "Drive, He Said" even became the title of a novel. Creeley said (after > many years silence on the subject) that wasn't it at all. But what he thought he was saying isn't necessarily what he said. --Bob From jfq at myuw.net Mon Jan 26 13:25:07 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E776785-DA21-4A42-A92A-71BB3EB6E207@myuw.net> l'union libre by andre breton is a favorite of mine. On Jan 26, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Crisman Cooley wrote: > I'm collecting a list of Love Poems from French poets and so far > have only a > few of the really obvious ones. Can some of you francophiles > suggest your > favorite French love poems? Mille remerciements! > Crisman > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 13:33:35 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Government support of arts in the USA In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901260927t54ee7c6gf509c74bec26a71e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901260927t54ee7c6gf509c74bec26a71e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497E01FE.5030203@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Some potentially good news for arts in the USA in today's NYT online: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/arts/26nea.html Not for arts, for arts administrators. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Jan 26 14:05:58 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497DFFB4.8030101@nut-n-but.net> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> <497DC7B1.2090908@opus40.org> <497DFFB4.8030101@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <497E0996.6090104@opus40.org> That was kinda my point. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Re "several recent instances when folks thought a poem was >> describing/narrating something entirely different than the poet >> [alive and well and participating in the discussion] had intended" -- >> Robert Creeley, for example. Most people read it that John tells him >> to drive but for Christ sake look out where he's going -- John >> approves of his way of striking out against the darkness, but >> suggests caution. "Drive, He Said" even became the title of a novel. >> Creeley said (after many years silence on the subject) that wasn't it >> at all. > But what he thought he was saying isn't necessarily what he said. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 14:23:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Definition In-Reply-To: <497E0996.6090104@opus40.org> References: <200901231700.n0NH03Sc014041@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9b1b9dab0901251603o3eb709afycb7a6d9103d2145f@mail.gmail.com> <497D22B9.5040005@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901251912v1683cf5dy2d0724a30f727dde@mail.gmail.com> <497DC7B1.2090908@opus40.org><497DFFB4.8030101@nut-n-but.net> <497E0996.6090104@opus40.org> Message-ID: <497E0D9C.9010003@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > That was kinda my point. I did note that you didn't say the correct reading was such and such because Creeley said it was. From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 15:41:17 2009 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] French love poems In-Reply-To: <200901261700.n0QH030O018270@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <338742.55898.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Crisman, I sorta disagree with Jason on "Union libre," I kinda think it's more of a sex poem than a love poem, but hey, why not. There are plenty of good sex poems, too. Paul Eluard also wrote almost nothing but love poems; check _Capitale de la douleur_ or _L'Amour la poesie_ (I like "La courbe de tes yeux fait le tour de mon coeur"). Anything from Apollinaire's Poems for Lou will work. Bernard de Ventadorn's "Can vei la lauzeta mover" is a must, but so is "A chantar m'er de so q'ieu no volria" by the Countess of Dia. Charles d'Orleans is a must; I like Ballad #58 ("J'ay aux esches joue devant Amours"). Rene Char, "Ma renarde..." (from Feuillets d'Hypnos), "Fastes" (I think it's called "Annals" in the English translation), and "Envoutement a la Renardiere". Anything by Louise Labe, and something good by Jules Supervielle (there's plenty to choose from). "Vrai nom" and "Vrai lieu" from Yves Bonnefoy's "Du mouvement et de l'immobilite de Douve". One of Tristan Corbiere's pieces from "Serenade des serenades" (part of _Les Amours Jaunes_, a must-read anyway). Something by Verlaine. Something by James Sacre (there are some good, sexy pieces in _Coeur elegie rouge_). Rimbaud's "Aube" might be a kind of love poem, after a fashion. I'm very fond of the early Mallarme's "Placet futile". That's just a random selection. There are several in my book, _Caramboles_ (it's bilingual), which you can order through www.bookpeople.net (bookpeople@moscow.com). In case you're interested. Hope that helps! Amicalement, Alex From skip at louisiana.edu Mon Jan 26 16:18:15 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <497C9924.5060502@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9E42FB0648BB44EAAB5063E45086B9A0@win.louisiana.edu> But it's a bustling (intellectually) piece, keeping its mind off the "the wet stain in back" until the end, where everyone's mind keeps going in such situations whether a broom, a mop, or pen is in your hand. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Grumman Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:54 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious >> >> 1108. >> >> The Bustle in a House >> The Morning after Death >> Is solemnest of industries >> Enacted upon Earth - >> >> The Sweeping up the Heart >> And putting Love away >> We shall not want to use again >> Until Eternity - >> >> ---Emily Dickinson Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in Eternity. That makes it better, but I still don't like it. The combination of jingle and sentimentality is too much, for me. --Bob G. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From ccooley at overdomain.com Mon Jan 26 16:42:05 2009 From: ccooley at overdomain.com (Crisman Cooley) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious Message-ID: The poem pretends a kind of easy sentimentality, but like other ED poems, beneath the surface run much more disturbing currents. It seems to me to make a parallel between the uselessness of the possessions of the dead person once that person is dead with the uselessness of love the people in the house had for the person now that s/he is dead. Although the things & the love can be swept up and put away, what are we to do with them? The idea that "We shall not want to use [them] again / Until Eternity" points up their eternal uselessness for the living in the vacancy of death. > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:00:02 -0500 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > I'll buy that -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but it jibes with my > idea that she is never going to be able to put love away -- in fact, > it's advances it. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I can see the gravity someone might imply in reading this poem, but I > > stand with my interpretation because Eternity is now, as it was before > > and will be, there is therefore no putting Love away. > > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 1108. > > > > The Bustle in a House > > The Morning after Death > > Is solemnest of industries > > Enacted upon Earth ? > > > > The Sweeping up the Heart > > And putting Love away > > We shall not want to use again > > Until Eternity ? > > > > ---Emily Dickinson > > > > Hmmm, I misread "Love" as the specific love for the deceased > > instead of love in general--The One Loved One is gone, so one > > won't have any use for love again until meeting the deceased in > > Eternity. 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BTW, Bob, comes to me that the EXCELLENT POEMS check list might want to include a bit more of a push toward a poem's need for "thematic INDIRECTION," though this is touched on, granted, in "importantly true for most people" hit me with a spondee, Barry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/1a5648a1/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 26 17:58:59 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing the cases In-Reply-To: <8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> References: <200901261245.n0QCjK0N009383@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901261458n1bae870x4fa3031989577ef6@mail.gmail.com> You do know, Barry, that our awesome analyses of the poems must, themselves, be in poetic form. Just thought I'd throw you a CURVED SPONdee thing. BTW, please give us some more on that 'thematic INDIRECTION' suggestion. Judy wondering if I want Bob to choose the poems. What do you [and Bob] think? Maybe we should ask for poems from 'the audience', and choose the first ten. 2009/1/26 Barry Spacks > > On Jan 26, 2009, at 4:45 AM, JUDY, addressing CHRIS wrote: > > if Bob and Barry are game. > Would love to find out why and where we disagree. > Do you want to choose the poems? > > Judy who already disagrees with Bob about Dickinson's poem > > > Barry, who also (wildly) disagrees with Bob on the Dickinson, > reporting himself up for any test, thanks for the idea and the invitation. > > BTW, Bob, comes to me that the EXCELLENT POEMS check list might > want to include a bit more of a push toward a poem's need for "thematic > INDIRECTION," > though this is touched on, granted, in "importantly true for most people" > > > hit me with a spondee, > > Barry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/6f392bcf/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 18:29:00 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not that yours truly can ever compete with the divine Emily D., but here's something that may have some faint connection: *How to Write Your Own Obituary* First find a good recording of Bruckner's Symphony IX and start it playing. Then sit down at your typewriter or word processor. If there's too much hiss in the recording, get up and reduce the treble. Then sit down again. Take a blank sheet of paper and stare at it for a while as the music washes over you. Somewhere in all that whiteness are the words you are seeking, the words that are seeking you. When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today? 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). You well might wonder where both of them are now. Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even popping a floppy into your machine and accessing files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. This is your last chance to get it down right. Listen to the music?the horns and strings?making one last stab at something beautiful before the end. Look out the window at that fading light. Look at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. Keep writing, just as though there were one more movement after this one. --HJ -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/f7f5b059/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Jan 26 19:34:19 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4E2E201C695C-E04-C9D@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> I've always like the extended conceit of this one... THE GENESIS OF BUTTERFLIES ? ? The dawn is smiling on the dew that covers The tearful roses; lo, the little lovers That kiss the buds, and all the flutterings In jasmine bloom, and privet, of white wings, That go and come, and fly, and peep and hide, With muffled music, murmured far and wide. Ah, the Spring time, when we think of all the lays That dreamy lovers send to dreamy mays, Of the fond hearts within a billet bound, Of all the soft silk paper that pens wound, The messages of love that mortals write Filled with intoxication of delight, Written in April and before the May time Shredded and flown, playthings for the wind's playtime, We dream that all white butterflies above, Who seek through clouds or waters souls to love, And leave their lady mistress in despair, To flit to flowers, as kinder and more fair, Are but torn love-letters, that through the skies Flutter, and float, and change to butterflies. ? ? by Victor Hugo ? (translation by Andrew Lang) -----Original Message----- From: Crisman Cooley To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 1:17 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems I'm collecting a list of Love Poems from French poets and so far have only a few of the really obvious ones. ?Can some of you francophiles suggest your favorite French love poems? ?Mille remerciements! ? Crisman _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Press, 1972), translated by Wallace Fowlie ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Crisman Cooley To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 1:17 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems I'm collecting a list of Love Poems from French poets and so far have only a few of the really obvious ones. ?Can some of you francophiles suggest your favorite French love poems? ?Mille remerciements! ? Crisman _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/cbe301bb/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Jan 26 21:10:40 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901261810m739e7957jf2d5bde9c3f93c04@mail.gmail.com> Touching, beautiful last line, Hal. Thanks for this. Judy 2009/1/26 Halvard Johnson > Not that yours truly can ever compete with the divine Emily D., but here's > something > that may have some faint connection: > > *How to Write Your Own Obituary* > > First find a good recording of Bruckner's Symphony IX > and start it playing. Then sit down at your typewriter > or word processor. If there's too much hiss > in the recording, get up and reduce the treble. > Then sit down again. Take a blank sheet of paper > and stare at it for a while as the music > washes over you. Somewhere in all that whiteness > are the words you are seeking, the words > that are seeking you. > > When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. > Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine > casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. > By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so > you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your > grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today? > 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). > You well might wonder where both of them are now. > > Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go > a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even > a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even > popping a floppy into your machine and accessing > files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your > unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. > The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- > laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked > going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you > ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep > writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. > This is your last chance to get it down right. > Listen to the music?the horns and strings?making > one last stab at something beautiful before the end. > > Look out the window at that fading light. Look > at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. > Keep writing, just as though there were one more > movement after this one. > > --HJ > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/a4f3d587/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 21:45:59 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing the cases In-Reply-To: <8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> References: <200901261245.n0QCjK0N009383@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <497E7567.8000600@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2009, at 4:45 AM, JUDY, addressing CHRIS wrote: > >> if Bob and Barry are game. >> Would love to find out why and where we disagree. >> Do you want to choose the poems? >> >> Judy who already disagrees with Bob about Dickinson's poem > > Barry, who also (wildly) disagrees with Bob on the Dickinson, > reporting himself up for any test, thanks for the idea and the invitation. > > BTW, Bob, comes to me that the EXCELLENT POEMS check list might > want to include a bit more of a push toward a poem's need for > "thematic INDIRECTION," > though this is touched on, granted, in "importantly true for most > people" > My really quick thought would be that the other ingredients for an excellent poem would result in thematic indirection, if that were desired. All kinds of things can be used to twist a poem so that a (banal if too overt) theme works, indirection being one, slant diction, peculiar grammar . . . --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/ed6ca73e/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 22:07:44 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497E7A80.2010804@nut-n-but.net> Crisman Cooley wrote: > The poem pretends a kind of easy sentimentality, but like other ED > poems, beneath the surface run much more disturbing currents. Sorry, I think you and many others forces the disturbing currents into it. Where is the this is irony signal? It's a bouncy little nursery rhyme (even if it doesn't rhyme)--is that all Grand Irony? I dunno--I've read a few of Dickinson's ironic poems and recognized the irony. I've also read a lot of her poems that most people take seriously and found no irony in them. Some I thought good, some I thought not so good. This one still makes me laugh when I hit the final line. > It seems to me to make a parallel between the uselessness of the > possessions of the dead person once that person is dead with the > uselessness of love the people in the house had for the person now > that s/he is dead. Although the things & the love can be swept up and > put away, what are we to do with them? The idea that "We shall not > want to use [them] again / Until Eternity" points up their eternal > uselessness for the living in the vacancy of death. Well, for one thing, the love one had for a person now dead is still useful. Don't throw your Love away Now that your sweetheart's underground. Re-cycle it instead Upon a new-born little hound! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 26 22:16:22 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing the cases In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901261458n1bae870x4fa3031989577ef6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901261245.n0QCjK0N009383@wiz.cath.vt.edu><8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> <7db1d01b0901261458n1bae870x4fa3031989577ef6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497E7C86.3000607@nut-n-but.net> Well, I'm working on a completely ridiculous super-analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18," the one about comparing someone to a summer's day. (Ridiculous because I'm trying to say everything that can be said about it, including how many instances of assonance there are in it.) So I'd like that to be one of the poems because I expect I'd be able to steal some of the comments made about for my project. We can do the Emily poem, too, but I don't really care. Otherwise, I have no preferences. Since I 've asking for one choice, I think it'd be good for each other participant to make a choice or two. Then we could take others' choices, one at a time until no one has any for us or we run out of gas. But, sorry, Judy, this will be a prose assignment for me. And I won't play unless we work from some description of what an excellent poem is. Part of the value of the exercise would be to see where that description breaks down. --Bob From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Jan 26 22:46:12 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious Message-ID: I've always liked this little poem, for the usual reasons I generally like Dickinson, her unexpectedly precise Latinate diction: "solemnest of industries." I don't find it sentimental at all, especially since that heart gets reduced to the dustbin. Anyone who has had to clean up the house where a person has died will understand what she's getting at. Now if someone had posted that poem about the tiger's "enormous balls" I might have got a laugh at her expense. Hell, they can't all be gems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090126/78c6673e/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 01:57:44 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems In-Reply-To: <8CB4E2E201C695C-E04-C9D@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4E2E201C695C-E04-C9D@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901262257s6f7bfd5dq10f17653a0833f0b@mail.gmail.com> After reading this poem, I can't but think of Proust. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:34 AM, wrote: > I've always like the extended conceit of this one... > > THE GENESIS OF BUTTERFLIES > > > The dawn is smiling on the dew that covers > The tearful roses; lo, the little lovers > That kiss the buds, and all the flutterings > In jasmine bloom, and privet, of white wings, > That go and come, and fly, and peep and hide, > With muffled music, murmured far and wide. > Ah, the Spring time, when we think of all the lays > That dreamy lovers send to dreamy mays, > Of the fond hearts within a billet bound, > Of all the soft silk paper that pens wound, > The messages of love that mortals write > Filled with intoxication of delight, > Written in April and before the May time > Shredded and flown, playthings for the wind's playtime, > We dream that all white butterflies above, > Who seek through clouds or waters souls to love, > And leave their lady mistress in despair, > To flit to flowers, as kinder and more fair, > Are but torn love-letters, that through the skies > Flutter, and float, and change to butterflies. > > > by Victor Hugo > > (translation by Andrew Lang) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crisman Cooley > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 1:17 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems > > I'm collecting a list of Love Poems from French poets and so far have only > a few of the really obvious ones. Can some of you francophiles suggest your > favorite French love poems? Mille remerciements! > Crisman > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/9005754d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 01:58:53 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems In-Reply-To: <8CB4E2FBFCA1DF2-E04-D8B@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB4E2FBFCA1DF2-E04-D8B@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901262258r3014b836xdfd5aa588a46017e@mail.gmail.com> It is wonderfully stylized. And thank you to Dickerow. What about the good old Prevert? On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:45 AM, wrote: > Since Jason brought up a French surrealist, I'll offer 'Sans D? > finition'... > > > Without Definition > > love > that ocean for mad antelope > love > that eye nailing my eye > on a star too drunk > love > that valise where toucans sleep > that look like us > love > that sun that protests > at being in exile under its own knees > love oblivion? > and the famished words > gnawing that tangerine > our memory > > > Alain Bosquet, Selected Poems (Ohio U. Press, 1972), translated by Wallace > Fowlie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crisman Cooley > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 1:17 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] French Love Poems > > I'm collecting a list of Love Poems from French poets and so far have only > a few of the really obvious ones. Can some of you francophiles suggest your > favorite French love poems? Mille remerciements! > Crisman > > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/9e081d49/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 09:07:19 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday, Mozart! Message-ID: <4b65c2d70901270607mc388727w42389657f72441b@mail.gmail.com> from the Writer's Almanac: Mozart said, "When I am, as it were, completely myself, entirely alone, and of good cheer ? say traveling in a carriage, or walking after a good meal, or during the night when I cannot sleep ? it is on such occasions that my ideas flow best, and most abundantly. Whence and how they come, I know not, nor can I force them." -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/d59bcd19/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 27 09:28:14 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901270628x71dd375eg1749fb7b927ae343@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Sam, Bob interprets Dickinson's meanings totally differently than you and I and some others do. I'm not sure what he 'sees' in the Situation of the poem, that is, what he thinks the setting and circumstances are, but you and I see what we've experienced: the actual 'cleanup' after a person's death. I think Bob sees something else, but am not sure. Fascinating. So it looks like Bob's WEPD [What Excellent Poems Do] characteristic number one is appropriate and importantly placed as number one. If he or others cannot find important meaning in the poem, there's no need for them to continue ticking off the other characteristics. The optimum circumstance, though, is for them to hear what other people think a poem's setting is. Otherwise, they'll walk around solipsistically, possibly missing depths that they'd want to know, and not moving further into seeing the beauties of a poem---something like what I now do with Bob's mathematiku which I still view as often-gorgeous fine art [with some words], but not poetry. [Sorry, Bob, but that's the way it is so far with my views on mathematiku] I do appreciate, enjoy, and learn from folks' responses to poems such as these with Dickinson's poem. Best, Judy 2009/1/26 > I've always liked this little poem, for the usual reasons I generally like > Dickinson, her unexpectedly precise Latinate diction: "solemnest of > industries." I don't find it sentimental at all, especially since that > heart gets reduced to the dustbin. Anyone who has had to clean up the house > where a person has died will understand what she's getting at. Now if > someone had posted that poem about the tiger's "enormous balls" I might have > got a laugh at her expense. Hell, they can't all be gems. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/020f4447/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 27 09:57:18 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing the cases In-Reply-To: <497E7C86.3000607@nut-n-but.net> References: <200901261245.n0QCjK0N009383@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net> <7db1d01b0901261458n1bae870x4fa3031989577ef6@mail.gmail.com> <497E7C86.3000607@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901270657k6d0ccea8i341df0021d803716@mail.gmail.com> Bob oh Bob I was TEASING Barry! For me, anyway, evaluating the poems against your WEPD [What Excellent Poems Do] checklist will be formidable enough in prose, let alone poetry. Breathe deeply, or as my son, pore t'ing, once said nervously to a woman he was trying to impress: "Breap deethly". Looks like we've already begun The Experiment with Dickinson's poem, so I would say why not jump in with a nother poem. However, jumping in with Shaksper seems a bad move, Bob, despite your accrued wisdoms on Sonnet 18; who's gonna go on record as denying that it has any/all of your WEPD characteristics? On the other hand----why not; who knows what will happen?! I'll offer up a poem in a few minutes. Best, Judy 2009/1/26 Bob Grumman > Well, I'm working on a completely ridiculous super-analysis of > Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18," the one about comparing someone to a summer's > day. (Ridiculous because I'm trying to say everything that can be said > about it, including how many instances of assonance there are in it.) So > I'd like that to be one of the poems because I expect I'd be able to steal > some of the comments made about for my project. > > We can do the Emily poem, too, but I don't really care. > > Otherwise, I have no preferences. Since I 've asking for one choice, I > think it'd be good for each other participant to make a choice or two. Then > we could take others' choices, one at a time until no one has any for us or > we run out of gas. But, sorry, Judy, this will be a prose assignment for > me. And I won't play unless we work from some description of what an > excellent poem is. Part of the value of the exercise would be to see where > that description breaks down. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/c34ecc0e/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 27 10:21:39 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] For Bob's WEPD experiment: 'Success' by Rebecca McKee Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901270721g4a8bca49jd6a83f08e82210d4@mail.gmail.com> Rebecca McKee wrote this poem. I saw it a couple years ago in Broadsheet 9 which accompanies the 'Past Histories' issue of AGENDA Vol 43 No 1; their aim was to present young people's poems. Their brief biography of McKee next, and then her poem: ** *Rebecca McKee *(18) was born in Macclesfield and has since moved 9 or 10 times around the country, including a brief spell in Normandy. Her poems have been published in various school magazines. She is hoping to study English Language with Creative Writing at university next year. *Success * I have an indian summer under my fingernails. I didn't put it there. The rich spicy sky in my palm, burning stars on my lifeline The hush of footprints in the grass, the spurn of gold on the horizon; I can trace my heart back between the trees, where day draws to a close and the night creeps so effortlessly in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/55c62d9e/attachment.html From barry.spacks at verizon.net Tue Jan 27 13:42:51 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Excellence in Dickinson's #443 In-Reply-To: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <0F786D35-0B63-4FAD-88CF-37FE0E8B4A43@verizon.net> On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Judy wrote: > please give us some more on that 'thematic INDIRECTION' suggestion. Bob addresses it nicely when he notes "All kinds of things can be used to twist a poem so that a (banal if too overt) theme works, indirection being one, slant diction, peculiar grammar . . ." My concern to forefront a bit more in the CHECK LIST the (obvious) need for such devices as necessary conditions for effective poems comes from experience in the workshop trenches, where students so often prefer "statement" to effect and thus stray beyond poem-power both in their own compositions and in their critiques of others. Engaging just a minute ago in a "fray" on Slate, I spoke to this, and will copy myself here. We're talking, BTW, about a Dickinson poem, one that would work as a challenge item for putting the Check-List to work, in case Judy and Bob and others want to accept it as a token for the proposed game...so I'll copy that too, below from Slate: ...the horrid advice that so often emerges in the workshop gives us caution, especially the demand -- at all costs -- for sense-making, not a making of energy for the senses, in which true poetry excels, but an insistence on "just the facts, M'am," speak it right out, help us along. That's the famous Goldwyn telegram trope turned against artfulness and "slant," a desire for plain-speech that moves the discussion right beyond the bounds of poetry and neglects wonders for sake of reader's ease. Don't know about others among the teachers here, but I find this sort of impatience particularly shrilly expressed these days among students in workshops (or in studying, say, Dickinson). There are those who'd deprive her of her dashes in an Oshkosh-minute. willing to ruminate the rough spots, but still Ms. Emily, sheesh, Barry and the poem the folks are discussing at Slate: #443 I tie my Hat?I crease my Shawl? Life's little duties do?precisely? As the very least Were infinite?to me? I put new Blossoms in the Glass? And throw the old?away? I push a petal from my Gown That anchored there?I weigh The time 'twill be till six o'clock I have so much to do? And yet?Existence?some way back? Stopped?struck?my ticking?through? We cannot put Ourself away As a completed Man Or Woman?When the Errand's done We came to Flesh?upon? There may be?Miles on Miles of Nought? Of Action?sicker far? To simulate?is stinging work? To cover what we are From Science?and from Surgery? Too Telescopic Eyes To bear on us unshaded? For their?sake?not for Ours? 'Twould start them? We?could tremble? But since we got a Bomb? And held it in our Bosom? Nay?Hold it?it is calm? Therefore?we do life's labor? Though life's Reward?be done? With scrupulous exactness? To hold our Senses?on? ????................???Emily Dickinson > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/8407c7b2/attachment.html From barry.spacks at verizon.net Tue Jan 27 13:50:24 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hal's Poem In-Reply-To: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Hal wrote: >> >> *How to Write Your Own Obituary* >> >> First find a good recording of Bruckner's Symphony IX >> and start it playing. Then sit down at your typewriter >> or word processor. If there's too much hiss >> in the recording, get up and reduce the treble. >> Then sit down again. Take a blank sheet of paper >> and stare at it for a while as the music >> washes over you. Somewhere in all that whiteness >> are the words you are seeking, the words >> that are seeking you. >> >> When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. >> Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine >> casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. >> By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so >> you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your >> grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today??? >> 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). >> You well might wonder where both of them are now. >> >> Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go >> a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even >> a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even >> popping a floppy into your machine and accessing >> files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your >> unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. >> The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- >> laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked >> going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you >> ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep >> writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. >> This is your last chance to get it down right. >> Listen to the music???the horns and strings???making >> one last stab at something beautiful before the end. >> >> Look out the window at that fading light. Look >> at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. >> Keep writing, just as though there were one more >> movement after this one. >> >> --HJ Terrific poem, Hal. Nice to see a piece by you that's not playing with "anti-poetry." I plan to feature your poem, if I may, immediately in my writing class, where many are surely at this very moment looking bleakly "out the window in that fading light." on on, Barry From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 14:01:09 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hal's Poem In-Reply-To: References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: I'm not at all anti-poetry, Barry. I'm pro-widening-its-horizons, however. Glad you've found a good use for "How to Write Your Own Obituary," which comes from some years back now. Matter of fact, it once got published (online at least) in Wired, which ran it as an essay and formatted as such. Hal, always for blurry borders On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Hal wrote: > >> >>> *How to Write Your Own Obituary* >>> >>> First find a good recording of Bruckner's Symphony IX >>> and start it playing. Then sit down at your typewriter >>> or word processor. If there's too much hiss >>> in the recording, get up and reduce the treble. >>> Then sit down again. Take a blank sheet of paper >>> and stare at it for a while as the music >>> washes over you. Somewhere in all that whiteness >>> are the words you are seeking, the words >>> that are seeking you. >>> >>> When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. >>> Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine >>> casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. >>> By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so >>> you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your >>> grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today? >>> 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). >>> You well might wonder where both of them are now. >>> >>> Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go >>> a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even >>> a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even >>> popping a floppy into your machine and accessing >>> files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your >>> unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. >>> The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- >>> laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked >>> going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you >>> ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep >>> writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. >>> This is your last chance to get it down right. >>> Listen to the music?the horns and strings?making >>> one last stab at something beautiful before the end. >>> >>> Look out the window at that fading light. Look >>> at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. >>> Keep writing, just as though there were one more >>> movement after this one. >>> >>> --HJ >>> >> > Terrific poem, Hal. Nice to see a piece by you that's > not playing with "anti-poetry." I plan to feature your poem, > if I may, immediately in my writing class, where > many are surely at this very moment looking bleakly > "out the window in that fading light." > > on on, > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/7df4178c/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 14:04:48 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Excellence in Dickinson's #443 In-Reply-To: <0F786D35-0B63-4FAD-88CF-37FE0E8B4A43@verizon.net> References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <0F786D35-0B63-4FAD-88CF-37FE0E8B4A43@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hear! Hear! On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Judy wrote: > > please give us some more on that 'thematic INDIRECTION' suggestion. > > > Bob addresses it nicely when he notes "All kinds of things can be used to > twist a poem > so that a (banal if too overt) theme works, indirection being one, slant > diction, > peculiar grammar . . ." > > My concern to forefront a bit more in the CHECK LIST the (obvious) need for > such > devices as necessary conditions for effective poems comes from experience > in > the workshop trenches, where students so often prefer "statement" to effect > and > thus stray beyond poem-power both in their own compositions and in their > critiques > of others. > > Engaging just a minute ago in a "fray" on Slate, I spoke to this, and will > copy myself here. We're talking, BTW, about a Dickinson poem, one that > would > work as a challenge item for putting the Check-List to work, > in case Judy and Bob and others want to accept it > as a token for the proposed game...so I'll copy that too, below > > from Slate: > > ...the horrid advice that so often emerges in the workshop gives us > caution, > especially the demand -- at all costs -- for sense-making, not a making of > energy for the senses, in which true poetry excels, but an insistence on > "just the facts, M'am," speak it right out, help us along. That's the > famous > Goldwyn telegram trope turned against artfulness and "slant," a desire for > plain-speech that moves the discussion right beyond the bounds of poetry > and neglects wonders for sake of reader's ease. Don't know about others > among the teachers here, but I find this sort of impatience particularly > shrilly expressed these days among students in workshops (or in studying, > say, Dickinson). There are those who'd deprive her of her dashes in an > Oshkosh-minute. > > willing to ruminate the rough spots, but still Ms. Emily, sheesh, > Barry > > and the poem the folks are discussing at Slate: > > #443 > > I tie my Hat?I crease my Shawl? > Life's little duties do?precisely? > As the very least > Were infinite?to me? > I put new Blossoms in the Glass? > And throw the old?away? > I push a petal from my Gown > That anchored there?I weigh > The time 'twill be till six o'clock > I have so much to do? > And yet?Existence?some way back? > Stopped?struck?my ticking?through? > We cannot put Ourself away > As a completed Man > Or Woman?When the Errand's done > We came to Flesh?upon? > There may be?Miles on Miles of Nought? > Of Action?sicker far? > To simulate?is stinging work? > To cover what we are > From Science?and from Surgery? > Too Telescopic Eyes > To bear on us unshaded? > For their?sake?not for Ours? > 'Twould start them? > We?could tremble? > But since we got a Bomb? > And held it in our Bosom? > Nay?Hold it?it is calm? > Therefore?we do life's labor? > Though life's Reward?be done? > With scrupulous exactness? > To hold our Senses?on? > > ????................???Emily Dickinson > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And so he was. **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/5fc34421/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 14:38:08 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP John Updike In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0901271138i552336b2y899e9fc3e0576b0b@mail.gmail.com> I'd not heard that particular Crews quote, Al. Oh for a Harry Crews quote for every occasion! Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM, wrote: > I'll be damned, I didn't even know he was sick. Can't say I was his > biggest fan, but as Harry Crews once said of him, "God knows he's a word > man." And so he was. > > > > ------------------------------ > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date > with the latest news . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/bc417d2d/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jan 27 14:41:28 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP John Updike Message-ID: As much as Crew likes to talk, we'd probably have one if someone had thought to follow him around. That particular nugget came from the book of interview GETTING NAKED WITH HARRY CREWS. 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[That ok with you---and Bob?] I feel sure that we'd be pleased for others' evaluations and comments on ED's #443 and McKee's poem, too. Judy 2009/1/27 Barry Spacks > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Judy wrote: > > please give us some more on that 'thematic INDIRECTION' suggestion. > > > Bob addresses it nicely when he notes "All kinds of things can be used to > twist a poem > so that a (banal if too overt) theme works, indirection being one, slant > diction, > peculiar grammar . . ." > > My concern to forefront a bit more in the CHECK LIST the (obvious) need for > such > devices as necessary conditions for effective poems comes from experience > in > the workshop trenches, where students so often prefer "statement" to effect > and > thus stray beyond poem-power both in their own compositions and in their > critiques > of others. > > Engaging just a minute ago in a "fray" on Slate, I spoke to this, and will > copy myself here. We're talking, BTW, about a Dickinson poem, one that > would > work as a challenge item for putting the Check-List to work, > in case Judy and Bob and others want to accept it > as a token for the proposed game...so I'll copy that too, below > > from Slate: > > ...the horrid advice that so often emerges in the workshop gives us > caution, > especially the demand -- at all costs -- for sense-making, not a making of > energy for the senses, in which true poetry excels, but an insistence on > "just the facts, M'am," speak it right out, help us along. That's the > famous > Goldwyn telegram trope turned against artfulness and "slant," a desire for > plain-speech that moves the discussion right beyond the bounds of poetry > and neglects wonders for sake of reader's ease. Don't know about others > among the teachers here, but I find this sort of impatience particularly > shrilly expressed these days among students in workshops (or in studying, > say, Dickinson). There are those who'd deprive her of her dashes in an > Oshkosh-minute. > > willing to ruminate the rough spots, but still Ms. Emily, sheesh, > Barry > > and the poem the folks are discussing at Slate: > > #443 > > I tie my Hat?I crease my Shawl? > Life's little duties do?precisely? > As the very least > Were infinite?to me? > I put new Blossoms in the Glass? > And throw the old?away? > I push a petal from my Gown > That anchored there?I weigh > The time 'twill be till six o'clock > I have so much to do? > And yet?Existence?some way back? > Stopped?struck?my ticking?through? > We cannot put Ourself away > As a completed Man > Or Woman?When the Errand's done > We came to Flesh?upon? > There may be?Miles on Miles of Nought? > Of Action?sicker far? > To simulate?is stinging work? > To cover what we are > From Science?and from Surgery? > Too Telescopic Eyes > To bear on us unshaded? > For their?sake?not for Ours? > 'Twould start them? > We?could tremble? > But since we got a Bomb? > And held it in our Bosom? > Nay?Hold it?it is calm? > Therefore?we do life's labor? > Though life's Reward?be done? > With scrupulous exactness? > To hold our Senses?on? > > ????................???Emily Dickinson > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/d6d23583/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 27 15:33:12 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901270628x71dd375eg1749fb7b927ae343@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901270628x71dd375eg1749fb7b927ae343@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F6F88.30408@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Hi, Sam, > > Bob interprets Dickinson's meanings totally differently than you and I > and some others do. I'm not sure what he 'sees' in the Situation of > the poem, Frankly, I'm not sure I do, either. I doubt I'll ever like the poem, but I'm now confused about what the heart and "love" mean. If we choose to discuss whether this poem is an excellent one or not, I feel we need, each of us, to state a full paraphrase of it. I now see it as a wonderfully interesting poem-to-discuss because of the wide difference in its effect on poetry-sensitive people. > that is, what he thinks the setting and circumstances are, but you and > I see what we've experienced: the actual 'cleanup' after a person's > death. I think Bob sees something else, but am not sure. But surely the actual cleanup is not central to this poem? I've never bustled through a cleanup the day after a death in the family but have cleaned up after one, and can certainly empathize with feelings of emptiness or whatever after a loved one dies. But not jinglingly. I don't think I see something else so much as not see what most others seem to see. > > > Fascinating. So it looks like Bob's WEPD [What Excellent Poems Do] > characteristic number one is appropriate and importantly placed as > number one. If he or others cannot find important meaning in the > poem, there's no need for them to continue ticking off the other > characteristics. Well, not if determining whether the poem is excellent or not. But the same would be true of the other characteristics. > The optimum circumstance, though, is for them to hear what other > people think a poem's setting is. Otherwise, they'll walk around > solipsistically, That's about what I said above, I think--except I don't see how not knowing what others think a poem's setting is must result in walking around solipsistically. If one ignored everything all others thought about a poem, solipsism might be a valid description of the person. > possibly missing depths that they'd want to know, and not moving > further into seeing the beauties of a poem---something like what I now > do with Bob's mathematiku which I still view as often-gorgeous fine > art [with some words], but not poetry. [Sorry, Bob, but that's the > way it is so far with my views on mathematiku] As long as it isn't your view of MATHEMAKU, that's all right, Judy! (If I descended to emoticons, I'd have a happy smilie here.) Not all my mathemaku are visual, though: some are all words, except for a few mathematical symbols that I consider words--the way "+" is just another way of writing the word, "plus." But I would have not problem with everyone's liking my mathemaku only as visual art. As a poet. As a taxonomist, I'd be enraged. > > I do appreciate, enjoy, and learn from folks' responses to poems such > as these with Dickinson's poem. > Same here. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 27 15:39:26 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: testing the cases In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901270657k6d0ccea8i341df0021d803716@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901261245.n0QCjK0N009383@wiz.cath.vt.edu><8DC91A97-69BF-4BBF-BC05-B6B55F3DBAE3@verizon.net><7db1d01b0901261458n1b ae870x4fa3031989577ef6@mail.gmail.com><497E7C86.3000607@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901270657k6d0ccea8i341df0021d803716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F70FE.5010606@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Bob oh Bob I was TEASING Barry! For me, anyway, evaluating the poems > against your WEPD [What Excellent Poems Do] checklist will be > formidable enough in prose, let alone poetry. Breathe deeply, or as > my son, pore t'ing, once said nervously to a woman he was trying to > impress: "Breap deethly". I sorta saw that, but needed to make sure. > > > Looks like we've already begun The Experiment with Dickinson's poem, > so I would say why not jump in with a nother poem. However, jumping > in with Shaksper seems a bad move, Bob, despite your accrued wisdoms > on Sonnet 18; who's gonna go on record as denying that it has any/all > of your WEPD characteristics? > I do it all the time. I've found what seem to me serious flaws even with this one, though I consider it excellent despite the flaws. Lastingly excellent. (Sometime we can get into the different between an transitorilly excellent poem and a lastingly excellent one! Won't that be fun?! Kidding, but not kidding.) The virtue of doing a Shakespeare poem that just about everyone will agree is excellent is to set a model, it seems to me. Also, I suspect we'll each have a different idea of why it is excellent. > On the other hand----why not; who knows what will happen?! > > I'll offer up a poem in a few minutes. > > Best, > > Judy Okay. I've been away from my computer all day, so am catching up late. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 27 15:45:15 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Excellence in Dickinson's #443 In-Reply-To: <0F786D35-0B63-4FAD-88CF-37FE0E8B4A43@verizon.net> References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <0F786D35-0B63-4FAD-88CF-37FE0E8B4A43@verizon.net> Message-ID: <497F725B.80003@nut-n-but.net> I like the Dickinson poem a lot more than the one that made me laugh, Barry, but I hate her dashes. Just a brief blurt to your Post-of-Substance which I hope to get back to--for a longer--blurt-- --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 27 15:55:48 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] For Bob's WEPD experiment: 'Success' by Rebecca McKee In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901270721g4a8bca49jd6a83f08e82210d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901270721g4a8bca49jd6a83f08e82210d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F74D4.1090203@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Rebecca McKee wrote this poem. I saw it a couple years ago in > Broadsheet 9 which accompanies the 'Past Histories' issue of AGENDA > Vol 43 No 1; their aim was to present young people's poems. > > Their brief biography of McKee next, and then her poem: ** > > *Rebecca McKee *(18) was born in Macclesfield and has since moved 9 or > 10 times around the country, including a brief spell in Normandy. Her > poems have been published in various school magazines. She is hoping > to study English Language with Creative Writing at university next year. > > > *Success * > > I have an indian summer under my fingernails. > > I didn't put it there. > > The rich spicy sky in my palm, burning stars on my lifeline > > The hush of footprints in the grass, the spurn of gold on the horizon; > > I can trace my heart back between the trees, where day draws to a close > > and the night creeps so effortlessly in. > I hate to be a stuffy literalist, but if she has an indian summer under her fingernails, what are all its constituents doing in her palm? Nice poem, but . . . Just a quick comment, not intended to be part of the excellence discussion. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/044ee591/attachment.html From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu Tue Jan 27 16:07:02 2009 From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP John Updike In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0901271128w15ba6f2agf161813e1bf37e7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0901271128w15ba6f2agf161813e1bf37e7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F7776.6020801@medicine.nodak.edu> The obituaries are focusing all their attention on Updike's prose. We should not overlook his poetry. Here is one small sample: Bird Caught in My Deer Netting The hedge must have seemed as ever, seeds and yew berries secreted beneath, small edible matter only a bird's eye could see, mixed with the brown of shed needles and earth? a safe quiet cave such as nature affords the meek, entered low, on foot, the feathered head alert to what it sought, bright eyes darting everywhere but above, where net had been laid. Then, at some moment mercifully unwitnessed, an attempt to rise higher, to fly, met by an all but invisible limit, beating wings pinioned, deep instinct denied. O panicky thrashing and flutter, in daylight and air, their freedom impossibly close, all about! How many starved hours of struggle resumed in fits of life's irritation did it take to seal and sew shut the berry-bright eyes and untie the tiny wild knot of a heart? I cannot know, discovering this wad of junco-fluff, weightless and wordless in its corner of netting deer cannot chew through nor gravity-defying bird bones break. by John Updike in the American Poetry Review, January/February 2005 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac@medicine.nodak.edu From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Jan 27 17:53:21 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] For Bob's WEPD experiment: 'Success' by Rebecca McKee In-Reply-To: <497F74D4.1090203@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0901270721g4a8bca49jd6a83f08e82210d4@mail.gmail.com> <497F74D4.1090203@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901271453r3a68100alb92df0896ae9a605@mail.gmail.com> Bob, I'm ignoring you. However, I did think your offering Shaksper's Sonnet may turn out to be a grand mini-experience. Will you please email it to us; I've never read it and would be fascinated to become acquainted with Shaksper's work, tho I can't imagine going to the trouble of reading her plays. If she'd only written one or two, but no, she had to crank out . . . what. . 30 or so?! Bound to be inferior material if she wrote that quickly. Now quit sending blurbs and GET TO WORK [with your evaluations, natch]! Judy 2009/1/27 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > > Rebecca McKee wrote this poem. I saw it a couple years ago in Broadsheet 9 > which accompanies the 'Past Histories' issue of AGENDA Vol 43 No 1; their > aim was to present young people's poems. > Their brief biography of McKee next, and then her poem: ** > *Rebecca McKee *(18) was born in Macclesfield and has since moved 9 or 10 > times around the country, including a brief spell in Normandy. Her poems > have been published in various school magazines. She is hoping to study > English Language with Creative Writing at university next year. > > *Success * > > I have an indian summer under my fingernails. > > I didn't put it there. > > The rich spicy sky in my palm, burning stars on my lifeline > > The hush of footprints in the grass, the spurn of gold on the horizon; > > I can trace my heart back between the trees, where day draws to a close > > and the night creeps so effortlessly in. > > I hate to be a stuffy literalist, but if she has an indian summer under her > fingernails, what are all its constituents doing in her palm? Nice poem, > but . . . > > Just a quick comment, not intended to be part of the excellence discussion. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So > I'd like that to be one of the poems because I expect I'd be able to steal > some of the comments made about for my project. > > We can do the Emily poem, too, but I don't really care. > > Otherwise, I have no preferences. Since I 've asking for one choice, I > think it'd be good for each other participant to make a choice or two. Then > we could take others' choices, one at a time until no one has any for us or > we run out of gas. But, sorry, Judy, this will be a prose assignment for > me. And I won't play unless we work from some description of what an > excellent poem is. Part of the value of the exercise would be to see where > that description breaks down. > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Somewhere in all that whiteness >>> are the words you are seeking, the words >>> that are seeking you. >>> >>> When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. >>> Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine >>> casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. >>> By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so >>> you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your >>> grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today??? >>> 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). >>> You well might wonder where both of them are now. >>> >>> Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go >>> a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even >>> a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even >>> popping a floppy into your machine and accessing >>> files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your >>> unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. >>> The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- >>> laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked >>> going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you >>> ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep >>> writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. >>> This is your last chance to get it down right. >>> Listen to the music???the horns and strings???making >>> one last stab at something beautiful before the end. >>> >>> Look out the window at that fading light. Look >>> at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. >>> Keep writing, just as though there were one more >>> movement after this one. >>> >>> --HJ > > Terrific poem, Hal. Nice to see a piece by you that's > not playing with "anti-poetry." I plan to feature your poem, > if I may, immediately in my writing class, where > many are surely at this very moment looking bleakly > "out the window in that fading light." > > on on, > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Jan 27 19:08:21 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Hal's Poem In-Reply-To: References: <200901271140.n0RBeG0N010985@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <497FA1F5.6050702@opus40.org> Had to be from a few years back, with the floppy. Halvard Johnson wrote: > I'm not at all anti-poetry, Barry. I'm pro-widening-its-horizons, > however. Glad you've found a good use for "How to Write Your Own > Obituary," which comes from some years back now. Matter of fact, it > once got published (online at least) in Wired, which ran it as an > essay and formatted as such. > > Hal, always for blurry borders > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Barry Spacks > > wrote: > > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Hal wrote: > > > *How to Write Your Own Obituary* > > First find a good recording of Bruckner's Symphony IX > and start it playing. Then sit down at your typewriter > or word processor. If there's too much hiss > in the recording, get up and reduce the treble. > Then sit down again. Take a blank sheet of paper > and stare at it for a while as the music > washes over you. Somewhere in all that whiteness > are the words you are seeking, the words > that are seeking you. > > When you've finished your first paragraph, sit back for a bit. > Look around you. Look at the late afternoon sunshine > casting its zebra pattern on the wall to your left. > By now the symphony should be well into the scherzo, so > you can lighten up a bit. Smile. Look at your > grandfather's watch lying on the calendar page for today? > 18 Monday Martin Luther King's Birthday (Observed). > You well might wonder where both of them are now. > > Imagine this room you're in without you in it. Then, go > a step farther, and imagine someone, maybe even > a stranger, rummaging among your books and papers, even > popping a floppy into your machine and accessing > files at random. Imagine a stranger checking out your > unpaid bills, the letters you forgot to open. No joke, now. > The scherzo is over, and we're already into the doom- > laden finale. Imagine all the things you've just unpacked > going back into boxes. Imagine them wondering why you > ever kept this or kept that. Keep writing, keep > writing. This is your life we're dealing with here. > This is your last chance to get it down right. > Listen to the music?the horns and strings?making > one last stab at something beautiful before the end. > > Look out the window at that fading light. Look > at the cat. All that it wants is your hands on it. > Keep writing, just as though there were one more > movement after this one. > > --HJ > > > Terrific poem, Hal. Nice to see a piece by you that's > not playing with "anti-poetry." I plan to feature your poem, > if I may, immediately in my writing class, where > many are surely at this very moment looking bleakly > "out the window in that fading light." > > on on, > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR! http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239 From jforjames at aol.com Tue Jan 27 19:17:21 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Tales from the fields of poesy . . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4EF4EBFF601D-AE0-1C98@WEBMAIL-MZ23.sysops.aol.com> Sign of the times: Anonymous?wrote: I'm reading for a chapbook competition . . . received 106 manuscripts that vary from 25 to 32 pages. I read every one. A manuscript that fell somewhere in the middle in terms of quality (my opinion of course), was composed of short, fairly simple, impressionistic lyrics -- reasonably competent, but neither novel nor impassioned -- 25 pages. The "Acknowledgements" page says this: "I could not have written these poems without the generous support of the Amy Lowell Trust, the Anderson Center for Interdisciplinary Studies, the Canada Council for the Arts, the Corporation of Yaddo, the Espy Foundation, the Kimmel Harding Nelson Center for the Arts, la Napoule Art Foundation, the MacDowell Colony, the Ontario Arts Council, the Richard Hugo House, the Stanford Creative Writing Program, the University of Washington Creative Writing Program, and the Unterberg Poetry Center." I am agog . . .? . . guess I've been doing things the hard way! = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we choose > to discuss whether this poem is an excellent one or not, I feel we need, > each of us, to state a full paraphrase of it. I now see it as a > wonderfully interesting poem-to-discuss because of the wide difference > in its effect on poetry-sensitive people. I wasn't referring to sick-bed sheets or bed-pans but to getting the house ready to be invaded by visitors coming to view the body (in an era before "funeral homes"--notice homes). Lots of food to be cooked and general house-cleaning, etc. We generally welcome guests to the house for a celebration, not a cerebration, if you know what I mean. Death in Dickinson's time was a lot closer to home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090127/082277c4/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 27 20:54:49 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Dickinson Poem I Thought Hilarious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497FBAE9.90306@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/27/2009 2:31:04 PM Central Standard Time, > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net writes: >> Frankly, I'm not sure I do, either. I doubt I'll ever like the poem, >> but I'm now confused about what the heart and "love" mean. If we choose >> to discuss whether this poem is an excellent one or not, I feel we need, >> each of us, to state a full paraphrase of it. I now see it as a >> wonderfully interesting poem-to-discuss because of the wide difference >> in its effect on poetry-sensitive people. > > > I wasn't referring to sick-bed sheets or bed-pans but to getting the > house ready to be invaded by visitors coming to view the body (in an > era before "funeral homes"--notice *homes*). Lots of food to be > cooked and general house-cleaning, etc. We generally welcome guests > to the house for a celebration, not a cerebration, if you know what I > mean. Death in Dickinson's time was a lot closer to home. That aspect of it I overlooked. I was thinking in terms of putting away or discarding things that the deceased person wouldn't be around to use, and nobody else wanted. And putting aways or discarding those of one's own things connected to the deceased that one would no longer need. I'm not sure it helps me appreciate the poem being reminded how it was back then--the viewing of the body and all that. 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A manuscript that fell > somewhere in the middle in terms of quality (my opinion of course), was > composed of short, fairly simple, impressionistic lyrics -- reasonably > competent, but neither novel nor impassioned -- 25 pages. The > "Acknowledgements" page says this: > > "I could not have written these poems without the generous support of the > Amy Lowell Trust, the Anderson Center for Interdisciplinary Studies, the > Canada Council for the Arts, the Corporation of Yaddo, the Espy Foundation, > the Kimmel Harding Nelson Center for the Arts, la Napoule Art Foundation, > the MacDowell Colony, the Ontario Arts Council, the Richard Hugo House, the > Stanford Creative Writing Program, the University of Washington Creative > Writing Program, and the Unterberg Poetry Center." > > I am agog . . . . . guess I've been doing things the hard way! > > > > > = > > ------------------------------ > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, > celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just to show everyone I can be as reactionary as anybody else at New-Poetry. Wait a minute: I've just invented the next great new movement after Flarf, Glarg: The poem's content must be a collage of mathematical search returns. --Bob From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 09:23:34 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for flarfophiles In-Reply-To: <49803F7A.2030908@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB4F0F275E8536-E6C-1FC3@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> <49803F7A.2030908@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60901280623p2ad21b04k94bcd4dd32e3b05e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > jforjames@aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.studio360.org/episodes/2009/01/23 >> >> American poetry is due for a new movement. The frontrunner is "Flarf." >> Google and the internet overload make Flarf possible, because the poem's >> content must be a collage of search returns. It's experimental, but also a >> pretty good way to liven up a poetry reading. Sean Cole has the story. >> Please be advised this story contains adult language. >> > > How in the world can something so minor be consider "a new movement?" Just > to show everyone I can be as reactionary as anybody else at New-Poetry. > Wait a minute: I've just invented the next great new movement after Flarf, > Glarg: The poem's content must be a collage of mathematical search returns. > > Hey, Bob, check out http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/12/flarf_vs_conceptual_writing_1.html for a combo flarf/visual poem in that dollar bill. My, I am shocked the Poetry Foundation could allow such flarfitude. -- Jim "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond." -Wilma Askinas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without Definition ? love that ocean for mad antelope love that eye nailing my eye on a star too drunk love that valise where toucans sleep that look like us love that sun that protests at being in exile under its own knees love oblivion? and the famished words gnawing that tangerine our memory ? ? Alain Bosquet, Selected Poems (Ohio U. Press, 1972), translated by Wallace Fowlie ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/71ac4edb/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:06:34 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re-mixing the Inaugural Poem Message-ID: <531348.32175.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >From FMU Blog: The Inaugural Poem Remix By all accounts, Elizabeth Alexander's Inaugural Poem, uh, sucked. We think you could do better. So, here's the deal. Take her poem. Remix it, shred it, speed it up, slow it down, reconstruct it, deconstruct it, warp it, bend it, twist it, scream it, rock it, set it to noise, obliterate it. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2009/01/the-inaugural-poem-remix.html _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sean Cole has the story. > Please be advised this story contains adult language. > > > How in the world can something so minor be consider "a new > movement?" Just to show everyone I can be as reactionary as > anybody else at New-Poetry. Wait a minute: I've just invented the > next great new movement after Flarf, Glarg: The poem's content > must be a collage of mathematical search returns. > > > Hey, Bob, check out > > http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/12/flarf_vs_conceptual_writing_1.html > > > for a combo flarf/visual poem in that dollar bill. > > My, I am shocked the Poetry Foundation could allow such flarfitude. > > -- Jim Thye're really lowering their standards. I enjoyed the visual poem. It's also an infraverbal poem! (Does something inside a word that's important to the overall effect). Beware: I may just do a dollar bill mathematical poem now. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's about how I first read it. --Bob > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth - > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity - > > ---Emily Dickinson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All our love, or just the love we had for the deceased? > > That's about how I first read it. > > --Bob > > > 1108. > > The Bustle in a House > The Morning after Death > Is solemnest of industries > Enacted upon Earth - > > The Sweeping up the Heart > And putting Love away > We shall not want to use again > Until Eternity - > > ---Emily Dickinson > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That oughta make clear what you think. > > Judy I don't have one yet, Judy--but I make an ornery try below. > > 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > > > Judy Prince wrote: >> My paraphrase of Dickinson's 1108 The bustle in a house: >> >> The saddest, most serious busy-ness on earth: >> cleaning up after someone dies. >> >> We put aside our heart and stow away our love, >> not wishing to engage them again until we die. >> >> Judy > > What love? All our love, or just the love we had for the deceased? > I'm most puzzled about this. > > > >> >> 1108. >> >> The Bustle in a House > The feminine activity in a dwelling > >> The Morning after Death > early the day after someone's croaked > >> Is solemnest of industries > is the most Awe-Inspiringly Serious High Labor > >> Enacted upon Earth > possible to perform. >> The Sweeping up the Heart > The removal of the human engine of emotion >> And putting Love away > and storage of the extreme feeling one has for persons one is most close to >> We shall not want to use again > those doing the chore will have no desire to do anything with >> Until Eternity - >> up to such time as either they are in Heaven or (I originally thought) at the Final Judgement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/aea87fae/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 14:54:17 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com> <49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281057n5f0a94d2q74efea8c9ed8a573@mail.gmail.com> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like our paraphrases agree totally, Bob. Now what? Judy 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > > Where's your paraphrase, Bob? That oughta make clear what you think. > Judy > > > I don't have one yet, Judy--but I make an ornery try below. > > > 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > >> Judy Prince wrote: >> >> My paraphrase of Dickinson's 1108 The bustle in a house: >> The saddest, most serious busy-ness on earth: >> cleaning up after someone dies. >> >> We put aside our heart and stow away our love, >> not wishing to engage them again until we die. >> >> Judy >> >> >> What love? All our love, or just the love we had for the deceased? >> > I'm most puzzled about this. > > >> >> >> 1108. >> >> The Bustle in a House >> >> The feminine activity in a dwelling > > The Morning after Death >> >> early the day after someone's croaked > > Is solemnest of industries >> >> is the most Awe-Inspiringly Serious High Labor > > Enacted upon Earth >> >> possible to perform. > > The Sweeping up the Heart >> >> The removal of the human engine of emotion > > And putting Love away >> >> and storage of the extreme feeling one has for persons one is most > close to > > We shall not want to use again >> >> those doing the chore will have no desire to do anything with > > Until Eternity - >> >> up to such time as either they are in Heaven or (I originally > thought) at the Final Judgement. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/3514f91f/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 15:45:20 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com> <49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281057n5f0a94d2q74efea8c9ed8a573@mail.gmail.com> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901281245u59219073vdc3949f4b0975c1c@mail.gmail.com> Just a little chat between us, Bob. This experiment of yours, mine, and Barry's has yielded a bit of unexpected gold. Despite our paraphrases of Dickinson's poem reducing it to boring hackiplatitude, I confess to shock and delight that we seem to agree on the poem's meanings. Next up, we apply your checklist to her poem [or vice versa]. Sounds a lot like studying or teaching, but well we volunteered for this duty. A nap sounds mighty good........ Judy 2009/1/28 Judy Prince > Sounds like our paraphrases agree totally, Bob. Now what? > Judy > > 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > >> Judy Prince wrote: >> >> Where's your paraphrase, Bob? That oughta make clear what you think. >> Judy >> >> >> I don't have one yet, Judy--but I make an ornery try below. >> >> >> 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman >> >>> Judy Prince wrote: >>> >>> My paraphrase of Dickinson's 1108 The bustle in a house: >>> The saddest, most serious busy-ness on earth: >>> cleaning up after someone dies. >>> >>> We put aside our heart and stow away our love, >>> not wishing to engage them again until we die. >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> >>> What love? All our love, or just the love we had for the deceased? >>> >> I'm most puzzled about this. >> >> >>> >>> >>> 1108. >>> >>> The Bustle in a House >>> >>> The feminine activity in a dwelling >> >> The Morning after Death >>> >>> early the day after someone's croaked >> >> Is solemnest of industries >>> >>> is the most Awe-Inspiringly Serious High Labor >> >> Enacted upon Earth >>> >>> possible to perform. >> >> The Sweeping up the Heart >>> >>> The removal of the human engine of emotion >> >> And putting Love away >>> >>> and storage of the extreme feeling one has for persons one is most >> close to >> >> We shall not want to use again >>> >>> those doing the chore will have no desire to do anything with >> >> Until Eternity - >>> >>> up to such time as either they are in Heaven or (I originally >> thought) at the Final Judgement. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/bbe03215/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 28 16:22:48 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com><49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901281057n5f0a9 4d2q74efea8c9ed8a573@mail.gmail.com><4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > Sounds like our paraphrases agree totally, Bob. Only if you agree "Love" means "the extreme feeling one has for persons one is most close to." I'm not sure it does. It could mean only the love one won't be using anymore because it is the love one had for the deceased. > Now what? Well, we need Barry's paraphrase, and that of anyone else will to get in on the action. Then maybe add the connotations. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 16:48:57 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com> <49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> <4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the love that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom line is that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. Judy 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> Sounds like our paraphrases agree totally, Bob. >> > Only if you agree "Love" means "the extreme feeling one has for persons one > is most close to." I'm not sure it does. It could mean only the love one > won't be using anymore because it is the love one had for the deceased. > > > Now what? >> > Well, we need Barry's paraphrase, and that of anyone else will to get in on > the action. Then maybe add the connotations. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/a7f05cf9/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 28 17:05:19 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com><49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com><4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4980D69F.10907@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme > feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the > love that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom > line is that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. > > Judy I'm not trying to trip you, Judy--I want to know how you (and anyone else) see it because I have trouble with it. Perhaps Emily means THAT love that transcends all other forms of love. That's gone forever? I've never known that kind of love nor would be capable, probably, of experiencing it. I can (really) connect with "love" of the kind that I feel I have an, uh, adequate amount for certain people, and cats (and a hound, once)--maybe at times one person more than others but not ridiculously more. I can't connect to "Elmer's gone so phooey on love," which is what I fear I read you as saying the poem is saying. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 28 17:16:26 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com><49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com><4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4980D93A.9030605@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme > feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the > love that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom > line is that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. > > Judy > Back again, sorry, Judy. The bottom line is that she'll have a use again for this Love when she's up there with St. Pete and the angels, which she takes for granted exists and will accept her. It makes me want to revise my stipulation about "importantly true for most people" to "importantly true for most adults." --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 17:17:54 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <4980D69F.10907@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com> <49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> <4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> <4980D69F.10907@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901281417s6ddf9d49p5fd28eba2ada3d91@mail.gmail.com> This is quite amusing, Bob. I don't know what the hell love is---but I feel sure it isn't the same feeling I had as a kid for my beagle named Skippy. On the other hand, more than likely the feeling I had for Skippy was stronger than what I've had for countless other dogs, if you know what I mean. My crankiness is not due [tho it might be if you push me] to YOU. It's because the shower water won't go down the drain; because the plumber just last week fixed the hot water heater that wasn't working; the week before that the electrician fixed the 'improperly placed' wiring that had blown out half the lights in the place; and the week before that [and this continued for 3 weeks] the furnace wasn't working. Not to mention that I managed to get a lung infection that came to near-pneumonia. Apart from that, tho, I'm a happy camper. So how about we continue to check Dickinson's thankfully brief poem against your checklist? It might be as amusing as undergoing a colonoscopy, but I'm certain that we'll try to make it a fun time to be had by all. Judy 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme >> feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the love >> that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom line is >> that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. >> >> Judy >> > I'm not trying to trip you, Judy--I want to know how you (and anyone else) > see it because I have trouble with it. Perhaps Emily means THAT love that > transcends all other forms of love. That's gone forever? I've never known > that kind of love nor would be capable, probably, of experiencing it. I can > (really) connect with "love" of the kind that I feel I have an, uh, adequate > amount for certain people, and cats (and a hound, once)--maybe at times one > person more than others but not ridiculously more. I can't connect to > "Elmer's gone so phooey on love," which is what I fear I read you as saying > the poem is saying. > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know what the hell love is---but I > feel sure it isn't the same feeling I had as a kid for my beagle named > Skippy. On the other hand, more than likely the feeling I had for Skippy > was stronger than what I've had for countless other dogs, if you know what I > mean. > My crankiness is not due [tho it might be if you push me] to YOU. It's > because the shower water won't go down the drain; because the plumber just > last week fixed the hot water heater that wasn't working; the week before > that the electrician fixed the 'improperly placed' wiring that had blown out > half the lights in the place; and the week before that [and this continued > for 3 weeks] the furnace wasn't working. Not to mention that I managed to > get a lung infection that came to near-pneumonia. > > Apart from that, tho, I'm a happy camper. So how about we continue to > check Dickinson's thankfully brief poem against your checklist? It might be > as amusing as undergoing a colonoscopy, but I'm certain that we'll try to > make it a fun time to be had by all. > > Judy > > 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > >> Judy Prince wrote: >> >> OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme >>> feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the love >>> that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom line is >>> that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. >>> >>> Judy >>> >> I'm not trying to trip you, Judy--I want to know how you (and anyone else) >> see it because I have trouble with it. Perhaps Emily means THAT love that >> transcends all other forms of love. That's gone forever? I've never known >> that kind of love nor would be capable, probably, of experiencing it. I can >> (really) connect with "love" of the kind that I feel I have an, uh, adequate >> amount for certain people, and cats (and a hound, once)--maybe at times one >> person more than others but not ridiculously more. I can't connect to >> "Elmer's gone so phooey on love," which is what I fear I read you as saying >> the poem is saying. >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW, the good news is that I'm RENTING the house, so every time I usher the repairfolk thru the swinging door, I know I won't have to pay them. Back to the sandbox, now heartened by your observation. Judy 2009/1/28 Halvard Johnson > Oh, things'll improve, Judy, if not in this world in the next. But I gotta > tell you how cute you guys are there, playing around in your sandbox. > > Hal > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Judy Prince > wrote: > >> This is quite amusing, Bob. I don't know what the hell love is---but I >> feel sure it isn't the same feeling I had as a kid for my beagle named >> Skippy. On the other hand, more than likely the feeling I had for Skippy >> was stronger than what I've had for countless other dogs, if you know what I >> mean. >> My crankiness is not due [tho it might be if you push me] to YOU. It's >> because the shower water won't go down the drain; because the plumber just >> last week fixed the hot water heater that wasn't working; the week before >> that the electrician fixed the 'improperly placed' wiring that had blown out >> half the lights in the place; and the week before that [and this continued >> for 3 weeks] the furnace wasn't working. Not to mention that I managed to >> get a lung infection that came to near-pneumonia. >> >> Apart from that, tho, I'm a happy camper. So how about we continue to >> check Dickinson's thankfully brief poem against your checklist? It might be >> as amusing as undergoing a colonoscopy, but I'm certain that we'll try to >> make it a fun time to be had by all. >> >> Judy >> >> 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman >> >>> Judy Prince wrote: >>> >>> OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme >>>> feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the love >>>> that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom line is >>>> that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. >>>> >>>> Judy >>>> >>> I'm not trying to trip you, Judy--I want to know how you (and anyone >>> else) see it because I have trouble with it. Perhaps Emily means THAT love >>> that transcends all other forms of love. That's gone forever? I've never >>> known that kind of love nor would be capable, probably, of experiencing it. >>> I can (really) connect with "love" of the kind that I feel I have an, uh, >>> adequate amount for certain people, and cats (and a hound, once)--maybe at >>> times one person more than others but not ridiculously more. I can't >>> connect to "Elmer's gone so phooey on love," which is what I fear I read you >>> as saying the poem is saying. >>> --Bob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090128/e4cc4287/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 17:50:35 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:49:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] paraphrase of DICKINSON: 1108 THE BUSTLE IN A HOUSE In-Reply-To: <4980D93A.9030605@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0901280639vabb7d41w98e68bfeb91beb24@mail.gmail.com> <49809E49.4010301@nut-n-but.net> <4980B0D1.30709@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281154x5d4f5b44t131de4743ea6cf1d@mail.gmail.com> <4980CCA8.3070301@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0901281348s6da5575x9a084a25f01df2a1@mail.gmail.com> <4980D93A.9030605@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0901281450v149d9a88x90aae91189333edb@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if that's the bottom line, Bob. Dickinson might've been so bummed at the time that she saw Eternity as meaning nothing more than Dead as a doornail with no afterlifers to talk to and no heavenly choirs to cheer her up, not even [dare I use this word?] God! Judy who wonders why you think non-adults can't manage the same feelings that adults can 2009/1/28 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> OK, Bob, I'll bite. I think that for this poem love means the extreme >> feeling one has/had for the person who [s]he was closest to AND the love >> that [s]he might have found after that with other people. Bottom line is >> that love is not what [s]he wants, until she dies. >> >> Judy >> >> Back again, sorry, Judy. The bottom line is that she'll have a use again > for th