From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 1 09:29:41 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:19 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] end of reason redux with ampersand In-Reply-To: <8f3fdbad0903062124h8acdbbdv7f79f576615f3ab4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f3fdbad0903062124h8acdbbdv7f79f576615f3ab4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D37A55.7010902@opus40.org> For some reason just found this. I've been a Peter Ciccarello fan for a while. Peter wrote: > http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/ampersand > > > > > > > > > - Peter Ciccariello > http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 1 09:37:40 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] end of reason redux with ampersand In-Reply-To: <49D37A55.7010902@opus40.org> References: <8f3fdbad0903062124h8acdbbdv7f79f576615f3ab4@mail.gmail.com> <49D37A55.7010902@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49D37C34.70702@opus40.org> Of course this is true, but I had meant to send it to a friend who had sent me a Poeter Cicciarello link. TheOldMole wrote: > For some reason just found this. I've been a Peter Ciccarello fan for > a while. > > Peter wrote: >> http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/ampersand >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Peter Ciccariello >> http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 13:38:10 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time(s) to Take Action Message-ID: The NYT is featuring a page where readers can type in a word about their feelings about today's economy. I like as many of us as possible to go to that page and enter the word "insouciant." If enough of us do that, the word will join others (e.g. hopeful, sad, terrified) and scroll across the screen. So, go now (yes, right now!) to this page-- http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/30/business/economy/2009-economy-words.html and key in the word "insouciant." Let's not let the Gloomy Guses have their way on this one. --Hal "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If enough of us do that, the word > will > join others (e.g. hopeful, sad, terrified) and scroll across the screen. > > So, go now (yes, right now!) to this page-- > > > http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/30/business/economy/2009-economy-words.html > > and key in the word "insouciant." Let's not let the Gloomy Guses have their > way on this one. > > --Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce the book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of outlets, it seemed better to me to publish it this way. downloaded for reading starting on the first day of National Poetry Month -- which is a little weird. Thank you, David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been a Peter Ciccarello fan for > a while.? >? > Peter wrote:? >> http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/ampersand? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> - Peter Ciccariello? >> http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/? >>? >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> New-Poetry mailing list? >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >> >? ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just take a look at a few of the great things we're publishing this month: New essays by Adrienne Rich New poetry by Rita Dove The collected works of both Dahlia Ravikovitch and Agha Shahid Ali A Norton Anthology of New American Poetry A New Anthology of Poetry to Read Aloud edited by Robert Pinsky. Since there is so much poetry to talk about we decided to create a space called Poems Out Loud where we could share all this poetry with you! And lucky us, former U.S. Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky agreed to blog on the site everyday for a month on the fine art of reading poetry out loud. Check out PoemsOutLoud.net now to read Pinsky's blog, original essays on all things poetic, and to listen to lots of Norton poets reading their work. Below you'll find a small sample of the poets featured on Poems Out Loud. I hope you enjoy exploring the site! Sincerely, Steve Colca Manager of Internet Marketing W. W. Norton & Company Sonata Mulattica Rit a Dove listen Usher B. H. Fairchild listen What Goes On?Selected and New Poems 1995-2009 Stephen Dunn listen Upcoming Highlights on PoemsOutLoud.net: Essays by Eavan Boland, Linda Pastan, and Kim Addonizio Poetry News and Event Listings Book Giveaways Every Week in April Forward this email to a friend ? W. W. Norton & Company, Inc. - 500 Fifth Ave, NY, NY 10110 Don't want to hear from us anymore? Unsubscribe instantly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/836c30d3/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Apr 1 21:36:52 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lincoln's love of poetry Message-ID: Thank god that Lincoln didn't live long enough to read Carl Sandburg, but he grew up with Shakespeare and Milton and, as the article notes, wrote verse himself (as did George Washington and John Quincy Adams; Jefferson apparently didn't but wrote a very perceptive essay on English prosody for a French friend). By some strange fate, a copy of the first edition of Leaves of Grass apparently found its way to Springfield, where Lincoln was fond of quoting it to Herndon. I often point out to my students that Lincoln's Gettysburg Address is, with very minor tweaks, blank verse, as is a lyrical passage (a soliloquy) from Frederick Douglass's autobiography (where he apostrophizes ships on the Chesapeake). Douglass trained himself as an orator by reading and reciting from a popular anthology of the times, The Columbian Orator, so I suspect his own "verse" is more premeditated than Lincoln's (given that Lincoln apparently wrote TGA is a short time). Still, Lincoln managed to retain the rhythms of the poets he read and admired in his own oratory: "Four score and seven years ago our fathers . . . ." Perfect I5. Incidentally, there are many famous lines from The Declaration of Independence that are pure I5: "We hold these truths to be self-evident" "Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." Franklin also wrote verse; I'm not sure that Adams did, but he certainly read a lot of it. A lot of this may not be conscious, but those who have loved and "absorbed" blank verse remember it: "That we have nothing to fear but fear itself." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/7304e124/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Apr 1 21:45:05 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lincoln's love of poetry Message-ID: Oops, I misquoted FDR: So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?nameless, unreasoning, unjustified (I6) terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days. Not perfect in most cases but about as close to I5 as a lot of Jacobean plays come. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/56b4a2cd/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 1 22:10:15 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:20 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ben Franklin, poet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > Franklin also wrote verse; ======================= "I now took a Fancy to poetry, and made some little Pieces. My Brother, thinking it might turn to account encourag?d me, and put me on composing two occasional Ballads. . . . They were wretched Stuff, in the Grubstreet Ballad Stile, and when they were printed he sent me about the Town to sell them. The first sold wonderfully, the Event being recent, having made a great Noise. This flatter?d my Vanity. But my Father discourag?d me, by ridiculing my Performances, and telling me Verse-makers were generally Beggars; so I escap?d being a Poet, most probably a very bad one." --Benjamin Franklin, from the Autobiography ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/3b276d31/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Apr 2 07:02:17 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lincoln's love of poetry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904020502g2fbbe667k4babdee9b8c20718@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Finnegan for the link, and thanks, Sam, for this and your later posting of the FDR. My now grown-strong belief is that the beauties of our writing and speaking come to us in large measure from our hearing and reading the most memorable beauties of others', and that we're inspired in the same ways, from the same sources. Seems like a no-brainer belief, but in day-to-day living for most of us the 'beauties' are devalued and de-emphasised. I further think that the rhymes and rhythms of poetry that many commercially successful living adult poets eschew and would denigrate---but that children and young adults instantly love---model much of the beauty that's at the heart of profound poetry. I'm referring to everything from play chants and songs, to nursery rhymes, to "children's" verse, to EA Poe and Longfellow, as well as others and more that Englishfolk know and treasure. Best, Judy 2009/4/1 > Thank god that Lincoln didn't live long enough to read Carl Sandburg, but > he grew up with Shakespeare and Milton and, as the article notes, wrote > verse himself (as did George Washington and John Quincy Adams; Jefferson > apparently didn't but wrote a very perceptive essay on English prosody for a > French friend). By some strange fate, a copy of the first edition of Leaves > of Grass apparently found its way to Springfield, where Lincoln was fond of > quoting it to Herndon. > > I often point out to my students that Lincoln's Gettysburg Address is, with > very minor tweaks, blank verse, as is a lyrical passage (a soliloquy) from > Frederick Douglass's autobiography (where he apostrophizes ships on the > Chesapeake). Douglass trained himself as an orator by reading and reciting > from a popular anthology of the times, The Columbian Orator, so I suspect > his own "verse" is more premeditated than Lincoln's (given that Lincoln > apparently wrote TGA is a short time). Still, Lincoln managed to retain the > rhythms of the poets he read and admired in his own oratory: "Four score and > seven years ago our fathers . . . ." Perfect I5. Incidentally, there are > many famous lines from The Declaration of Independence that are pure I5: "We > hold these truths to be self-evident" "Our lives, our fortunes, and our > sacred honor." Franklin also wrote verse; I'm not sure that Adams did, but > he certainly read a lot of it. A lot of this may not be conscious, but > those who have loved and "absorbed" blank verse remember it: "That we have > nothing to fear but fear itself." > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090402/bfea2e05/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Apr 2 09:00:06 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ben Franklin, poet Message-ID: Re. Lincoln and verse, Bruce Guernsey reminds me that we discussed Lincoln's closeness to blank verse in The Gettysburg Address some years ago and that Bruce was then using TGE as a classroom exercise in versification. Bruce published an article on Lincoln as versifier in Virginia Quarterly Review (VQR, Volume 78, Number 2, Spring, 2002). Credit where credit's due. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090402/5b402f5b/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 20:44:21 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:21 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] LITERARY MEDIA -TIMBER & CALIBER THAT INFORM & INSPIRE:RESPONSE TO D.K.LEE BY GBEMI TIJANI MST Message-ID: <5908b9b20904021844t4fdf944cx9117a90399ccd526@mail.gmail.com> THIS IS APRIL. ROTARY'S MAGAZINE MONTH WORLDWIDE.FELICITATIONS TO ALL ROTARIANS I seize this opportunity to congratulate all Rotarians and their world-wide boosters including pioneers of CLE -the cluster language encounter that catalyzed literacy projects through Rotary Clubs in Asia, Africa & North America. and has turned around the social and economic lives of millions of citizens who couldn't have had the benefit of basic literacy-read, write and calculate and the new digital literacy .Further to this are modern magazines and ezines that are good enough beyond share delight of fictions or apocryphal writings of LONCA the Spanish poet that absorbed so much of American ideological desiderata currently being reviewed by Jonathan Mayhew. I SURMISE HOWEVER THAT we should appreciate both the timber and caliber of the literary world as well as numerous contributors who act as well-informed readers and palpably sustain the avalanche of volumes of such GOOD MAGAZINES or ezines that initially debut with the publishers' solo goal. Kudos too to the publishers and editors that are steadily witty and technically wonderful to sustain the tempo and temerity rooted from their a times anonymous audience. Sometimes i wonder if there aren't productions or good menu like magazines what will be swatting or deliciously chewing alone or tacitly with others most of the time. Or again -where could i have absorbed the global wisdom or knowledge in such a freely chosen facile submission to the reading activity at a convenient time -when the mood melt other priorities down to this literary premium choice that enable me to experience delight and a cluster of other possibilities too. I salute the invention of reading itself -all about good reading ,good books, magazines tracts, brochure and aphorisms that have made up a boundless literary culture -teachable to others or harmlessly infectious by reviews,reprints,re-chatting,rehearsals,exalting literary works into dramatic arts - films and stage plays and now -the arts and the news are obeying the You Tube videography... Just as the Bible Society Of Nigeria are now injecting another behavioral, ethical dimension into AIDS/HIV PREVENTION -CONDUCT NOT CONDOM. They claim this moral strategy could reduce or at least conscientiously check reckless passions for inappropriate sexual locking. I imagine copiously too that good reading could change the world outlook of individual illusions, possessive individualism, enhance good governance, better banking services, better consumer rights, better voters dividends in developing countries, encourage vivacious vacation and therefore less stress and mental reinvigorating. Good magazine or ezines could develop developmental knowledge beyond IDIOT SAVANTS, level the psychological needs and understanding of town and gown. A RICHER LITERATURE via the popular and written media will become more accessible and serviceable -not just arts for arts sake. This luxury or freedom is permitted in intellectually advanced countries -where Ivory Towers are not just numerous but are also expertly equipped for instruction, research, endowment and independent direction for teachers and students. Congratulations too - posthumously to PAUL HARRIS, founder of ROTARY INTERNATIONAL who envisioned THE NATIONAL ROTARIAN since 1927..What else could have kept alive the archives of the earliest ROTARY CLUBS as well as the values and responsibilities of friendship which business executives fostered or ought to muster -as dynamic and living organisms -existing in a milieu of inequities? Good reading by world leaders and citizens can heal almost all the world misdemeanors arising from human factors. Good magazines can teach the world that every thing or tenure is for a time. Rotarian values advocate playing your role well -ABOVE THE SELF.- APRIL MESSAGE 1 FROM RTN.GBEMI TIJANI MST,DIS.9130 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090403/a6d16d87/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 21:12:06 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 58, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200904011647.n31GlOa3012031@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200904011647.n31GlOa3012031@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <5908b9b20904021912p25a2b74em6c8f9c6e7829b790@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Halvard Johnson that reechoes the power of good reading by requoting Geoge Cardin 's warning -NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEIOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS...I also forward separately an additional message on GOOD MAGAZINES as my outward response to celebrate APRIL AS ROTARY 'S MAGAZINE MONTH...gbemi tijani mst On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM, wrote: > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > new-poetry-owner@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: PBS screens POLIS IS THIS, Henry Ferrini's film on > Charles Olson, excuse multiples! circulate! (Anny Ballardini) > 2. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (Halvard Johnson) > 3. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (Anny Ballardini) > 4. The Montserrat Review (Anny Ballardini) > 5. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (David Bircumshaw) > 6. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (David Bircumshaw) > 7. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (Halvard Johnson) > 8. Re: The Montserrat Review (TheOldMole) > 9. Princeton poetry fest (jforjames@aol.com) > 10. Fwd: OU LI PO in NYC - events and dinner banquet > (jforjames@aol.com) > 11. Re: New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth (Michael Snider) > 12. Re: end of reason redux with ampersand (TheOldMole) > 13. Re: end of reason redux with ampersand (TheOldMole) > 14. Time(s) to Take Action (Halvard Johnson) > 15. Re: Time(s) to Take Action (Anny Ballardini) > 16. Re: The Montserrat Review (David Bircumshaw) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:04:02 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: PBS screens POLIS IS THIS, Henry > Ferrini's film on Charles Olson, excuse multiples! circulate! > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > <4b65c2d70903311304r4b5554aam6d7c52013222fc72@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Impressive, moving > maybe people don't know but you can watch the whole thing here: > http://www.polisisthis.com/watch-now.html > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ammiel Alcalay [mailto:aaka@earthlink.net ] > > Sent: Sun 3/29/2009 10:33 PM > > To: undisclosed-recipients > > Subject: PBS screens POLIS IS THIS, Henry Ferrini's film on Charles > Olson, > > excuse multiples! circulate! > > > > > > you are getting this because it's a great film (i'm also in it!) > > > > here is a link to director henry ferrini's site for more: > > > > > http://www.polisisthis.com/synopsis.html > > > > > Public Television Screenings > > March-May, 2009 3/30 New Jersey > > > > > Network-2-9:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/1 New Jersey Network-2-8:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/1 Iowa PTV World 3-8:00PM > > > > > > > > > > 4/1 KLRN-San Antonio D9.2-4:00PM > > > > > > > > > > 4/1 WHUT Washington, D.C.-8:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/2 Prairie Public, Fargo ND-8:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/2 KIXE-Redding, CA-9:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/2 KENW/Eastern New Mexico Univ.-Portales, NM-10:00pm > > > > > > > > > > 4/3 KET-1, Kentucky-2:00am > > > > > > > > > > 4/3 S. 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Try it now< > http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=emlwemqmq00000004> > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/1c8145d6/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:05:53 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Way to go, Dave--nay, Sir Bircumscribe! It's downloaded here and nestled in > my documents file, rustling its virtual leaves. > > Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', onto > my > > site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf file. > > > > It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce the > > book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of outlets, > it > > seemed better to me to publish it this way. > > > > best > > > > dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/ab451dc3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:08:46 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: halvard@gmail.com, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > Views" > Message-ID: > <4b65c2d70903311308w58c8977aka92d127f877a7ae3@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If I am right David first started writing it on a typewriter, and it took > him several years to get it together. > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Halvard Johnson > wrote: > > > Way to go, Dave--nay, Sir Bircumscribe! It's downloaded here and nestled > in > > my documents file, rustling its virtual leaves. > > > > Hal > > > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > > people in large groups." > > --George Carlin > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', onto > my > >> site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf file. > >> > >> It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce > the > >> book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of > outlets, it > >> seemed better to me to publish it this way. > >> > >> best > >> > >> dave > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/2dcf2fca/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:36:29 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: [New-Poetry] The Montserrat Review > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > <4b65c2d70903311336l778aaa6bmb9fd3540f81a5c87@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > and with my Thank You to Grace Cavalieri: > > The Best Books for Spring, 2009 is now up at: > http://www.themontserratreview.com/BestofSpring2009.html > It is also accessible in the navigation by clicking on Best Books of Spring > 2009 > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/317a893b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:31:32 +0100 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: , "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & > Views" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thankee kindly, Sir Hal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > > > Way to go, Dave--nay, Sir Bircumscribe! It's downloaded here and nestled > in > my documents file, rustling its virtual leaves. > > Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', onto > my site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf file. > > It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce > the book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of > outlets, it seemed better to me to publish it this way. > > best > > dave > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/2b772bd9/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:33:47 +0100 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <432C49AA0A8B4DD583DCD069692A3282@SN037832120162> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Indeed, Anny, it's near-to-almost an adult. > > ta! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: halvard@gmail.com ; NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > > > If I am right David first started writing it on a typewriter, and it took > him several years to get it together. > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Halvard Johnson > wrote: > > Way to go, Dave--nay, Sir Bircumscribe! It's downloaded here and nestled > in > my documents file, rustling its virtual leaves. > > Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', > onto my site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf > file. > > It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce > the book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of > outlets, it seemed better to me to publish it this way. > > best > > dave > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/fb1ff359/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:52:16 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: David Bircumshaw > Cc: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You're very welcom, sirrah. And when a book goes out on electrons > a group of saplings somewhere heaves a sigh of relief. > > Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David Bircumshaw < > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > Thankee kindly, Sir Hal > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Halvard Johnson > > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views< > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:05 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > > > > Way to go, Dave--nay, Sir Bircumscribe! It's downloaded here and nestled > in > > my documents file, rustling its virtual leaves. > > > > Hal > > > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > > people in large groups." > > --George Carlin > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', onto > my > >> site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf file. > >> > >> It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce > the > >> book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of > outlets, it > >> seemed better to me to publish it this way. > >> > >> best > >> > >> dave > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/6082920d/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:58:58 -0400 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Montserrat Review > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <49D29222.8060801@opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Yay yay -- go Anny! > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > and with my Thank You to Grace Cavalieri: > > > > The Best Books for Spring, 2009 is now up at: > > http://www.themontserratreview.com/BestofSpring2009.html > > It is also accessible in the navigation by clicking on Best Books of > > Spring 2009 > > > > -- > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > > dancing star! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:08:57 -0400 > From: jforjames@aol.com > Subject: [New-Poetry] Princeton poetry fest > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <8CB80752F85ECCA-1218-D4E@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > http://centraljersey.com/articles/2009/03/31/the_princeton_packet/lifestyle/doc49d292c02f60f315959306.txt > > Princeton University to host Inaugural Poetry Festival > April, the most poetic month > Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:17 PM EDT > > > Internationally renowned poets to read at Richardson Auditorium > > To celebrate poetry?s vital place in our culture, Princeton > University?s Lewis Center for the Arts Performance Central program will > present the inaugural Princeton Poetry Festival. Poets from around the world > will read and share their work during the two-day event on April 27 - 28 at > Richardson Auditorium. The event is free but pre-registration is required. > > Poetry is a longstanding tradition at Princeton University. > Revolutionary War poet Philip Morin Freneau, class of 1771, and major > postwar poets William Ralph Meredith ?40, Galway Kinnell ?48 and W. S. > Merwin ?48 are among the hundreds of renowned graduates who studied poetry > and the creative arts at Princeton. Interest in poetry continues to play an > essential role in campus life and today?s dedicated students of creative > writing undoubtedly will be among the recognized poets of the future. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/d59211bf/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:11:47 -0400 > From: jforjames@aol.com > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: OU LI PO in NYC - events and dinner banquet > > To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <8CB807594CFD4EE-1218-D62@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shankar, Ravi (English) > To: Ravi Shankar > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:28 pm > Subject: OU LI PO in NYC - events and dinner banquet > > > Join Drunken Boat to celebrate the occasion and join the OULIPIENS > at MY MOON NY http://www.mymoonnyc.com/ > 184 north 10th St. > Brooklyn, NY 11211 > (718) 599-7007 > On Friday April 3, ?09 9:15 - 11:30 pm > > $75 per seat plus any desired donation to Drunken Boat. All contributions > are tax-deductible. Includes three course meal and 1.25 glasses of wine; > additional wine charges may be incurred by table. Seating is limited. > Write for details and to book a place: editor@drunkenboat.com > > Please join us for a full roster of events: > > OU LI PO IN NEW YORK > A WORKSHOP OF EXPERIMENTAL LITERATURE > APRIL 1-4, 2009 > WITH MARCEL B?NABOU, ANNE F. GARR?TA, HERV? LE TELLIER, HARRY MATHEWS, IAN > MONK AND JACQUES ROUBAUD > > THE OULIPO, OUVROIR DE LITT?RATURE POTENTIELLE, IS A COLLECTIVE OF WRITERS > AND MATHEMATICIANS EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF WRITING FICTION AND POETRY. > > APR. 1, 7-8:30 PM OULIPO READING FOLLOWED BY BOOK SIGNINGS, IN ENGLISH > THE NEW SCHOOL, TISHMAN AUDITORIUM, 66 WEST 12TH STREET . T 212 229 5488 > www.NEWSCHOOL.EDU > > APR. 2, 12-2 PM "OULIPO, NOUVEAUX SENTIERS, NOUVEAUX CHANTIERS, " > A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION, IN FRENCH . MAISON FRAN?AISE OF COLUMBIA > UNIVERSITY, BROADWAY AT WEST 116TH STREET .=2 > 0T 212 854 4482 > www.CALENDAR.COLUMBIA.EDU > > APR. 2, 7 PM BOOK LAUNCH AND READING OF JACQUES ROUBAUD?S THELOOP, > IN ENGLISH . IDLEWILD BOOKSTORE, 12 WEST 19TH STREET . T 212 414 8888 > www.IDLEWILDBOOKS.COM > > APR. 3, 2-5 PM WRITING WORKSHOP WITH MARCEL BENABOU, IN FRENCH > FRENCH INSTITUTE - ALLIANCE FRAN?AISE, 22 EAST 60TH STREET . T 646 388 6612 > WWW.FIAF.ORG > > APR. 3, 7-9 PM READINGS FOLLOWED BY BOOK SIGNINGS, IN ENGLISH > THE PIEROGI GALLERY, 177 NORTH 9TH STREET, BROOKLYN . T 718 599 2144 > www.PIEROGI2000.COM > > APR. 4, 1-3 PM BUFFET-BRUNCH FOLLOWED BY OULIPO READING, IN FRENCH > AND ENGLISH (INVITATIONS ONLY) . CULTURAL SERVICES OF THE > FRENCH EMBASSY, 972 FIFTH AVENUE . T 212 439 1400 > www.FRENCHCULTURE.ORG > EVENTS ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC > INFORMATION: www.FRENCHCULTURE.ORG > > UpRightDown.com is a place where artists of all kinds come together to > imagine new narrative possibilities. Issue # 2, which starts April 1, 2009, > is a year-long collaborative storytelling exercise. Two teams work in tandem > to create a 26-episode epic: plotters invent the plot, one episode each; and > performers interpret this plot, in words, image, video, animation, etc. > > Come to our launch party: April 1, 2009, at 9 p.m. at Madame X, 94 W. > Houston St., New York, NY. Co-hosted by Drunken Boat. > > *************** > Ravi Shankar > Ed., http://www.drunkenboat.com > Poet-in-Residence > Associate Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/78f1c629/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:00:03 -0400 > From: Michael Snider > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] New Book, almost Fifteen at Birth > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > <6768ac830903311900w1257af91ma556d0c15eccd4ba@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Bircumshaw < > david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > I've put a long, 'new' work of mine, entitled 'The Ghost Machine', onto > my > > site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ as a .pdf file. > > > > It might be of interest that there was a publisher willing to produce the > > book in 'hard copy', but, considering the minimal availabilty of outlets, > it > > seemed better to me to publish it this way. > > > downloaded for reading starting on the first day of National Poetry Month > -- which is a little weird. > Thank you, David. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090331/e3ea02ae/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:29:41 -0400 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] end of reason redux with ampersand > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <49D37A55.7010902@opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > For some reason just found this. I've been a Peter Ciccarello fan for a > while. > > Peter wrote: > > http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/ampersand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Peter Ciccariello > > http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:37:40 -0400 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] end of reason redux with ampersand > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <49D37C34.70702@opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Of course this is true, but I had meant to send it to a friend who had > sent me a Poeter Cicciarello link. > > TheOldMole wrote: > > For some reason just found this. I've been a Peter Ciccarello fan for > > a while. > > > > Peter wrote: > >> http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/ampersand > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - Peter Ciccariello > >> http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:38:10 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: [New-Poetry] Time(s) to Take Action > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > , Poetryetc > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The NYT is featuring a page where readers can type in a word about their > feelings about today's economy. I like as many of us as possible to go to > that > page and enter the word "insouciant." If enough of us do that, the word > will > > join others (e.g. hopeful, sad, terrified) and scroll across the screen. > > So, go now (yes, right now!) to this page-- > > > http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/30/business/economy/2009-economy-words.html > > and key in the word "insouciant." Let's not let the Gloomy Guses have their > way on this one. > > --Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/958986c9/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:18:30 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Time(s) to Take Action > To: halvard@gmail.com, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > Views" > Message-ID: > <4b65c2d70904011218g3b2292bevce6a221a755f4788@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ok! I did it, no insouciant though to be seen, otherwise I would have also > clicked on the word.... > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > The NYT is featuring a page where readers can type in a word about their > > feelings about today's economy. I like as many of us as possible to go to > > that > > page and enter the word "insouciant." If enough of us do that, the word > > will > > join others (e.g. hopeful, sad, terrified) and scroll across the screen. > > > > So, go now (yes, right now!) to this page-- > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/30/business/economy/2009-economy-words.html > > > > and key in the word "insouciant." Let's not let the Gloomy Guses have > their > > way on this one. > > > > --Hal > > > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > > people in large groups." > > --George Carlin > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/42194f87/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:45:36 +0100 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The Montserrat Review > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Congrats, Anny. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:36 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] The Montserrat Review > > > and with my Thank You to Grace Cavalieri: > > The Best Books for Spring, 2009 is now up at: > http://www.themontserratreview.com/BestofSpring2009.html > It is also accessible in the navigation by clicking on Best Books of > Spring 2009 > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090401/5d9beb70/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 58, Issue 1 > ***************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090403/abba46f8/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 21:15:53 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?windows-1252?q?Good_magazines_inform_and_inspire_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96D=2EK=2ELEE_=3ACOMMENT_BY_GBEMI_TIJANI_MST?= Message-ID: <5908b9b20904021915x1803d299i45756cfe55f2baec@mail.gmail.com> ** *GOOD MAGAZINES * partly implies consistent content customization of publishers? goals with a dynamic blending of reader participation. Relatively speaking - in this instance - good might not necessarily be a complacent hyperbole. The readers accept it and welcome subsequent editions. However, its splendor ? not necessarily its candor is boost by utilitarian adverts or even robustly floated by a non-profit or endowment. This implies a worthy magazine may not only flourish but also live as long as it serves its immediate or distant society (of readers). Prior to the ezines era - Readers Digest, Science Digest, The Psychologist Magazine, The National Rotarian, now known as The Roitarian, Mother Jones, Essense, Gentleman Quarterly, The New Republic, Tines Literary Supplement Newswatch, The News, Tell, Ovation, Dokita, Life Mirror, Woman?s World, Impact Of Science On Society ?to mention just a few that have made impact within or beyond their shores of publishing - are sustained by their readers burning expectations to welcome the next edition. The Rotarian and Rotary Africa, published since 1911 and 1927 respectively endeared the years in readers mind because they carry* Rotarian values of service above self * Reading activities especially of a 1911 ? type ?of magazine evidently justifies its advent and perennial as it has bloom into more than 30 regional and club level, country specific magazines including ROTARY AFRICA, precociously born 16 years after the parent magazine debut .It shows as RI President, D.K.LEE has said ? ?*each edition, each article across the years he's become a Rotarian INFORMS & INSPIRES.?* *APRIL- AS ROTARY ?s MAGAZINE MONTH* is significant because reading of any good book,magazine,newspaper,brochure,novel,report unlocks the key to a treasury of values,wisdom,knowledge, trendy or contemporary skills ,how-to do things better or behave more productively, mimic heroes or role models than otherwise. PAUL HARRIS impeccably amplified global amity and glorify the essence of responsible friendship through the Rotary Clubs he primarily sojourned to co-found with other friends, a tailor and a miner...Community-efficient literacy is one more indelible cultural legacy which Rotary clubs have made their existence unforgettably felt though carefully planned economic-contained interventional literacy project ?especially in Thailand?s ASIA and Africa where the CLEM -cluster language encounter- was experimented and replicated successfully elsewhere. * Will there ever be magazine readers & writers without Literacy & Literary culture?* ROTARY CLUBS also show sustained concern in the less privileged becoming literate comprehensively.. Again - the diverse range of human problems, potentials, professions & community co -operation glowingly boost the readership of Rotary magazines beyond Rotarians. My first personally held and read copy was given to me in 1988 by Rtn G.A.Oyemade,a limb surgeon at University College Hospital,Ibadan.The Salk vaccine was reported and it actually rekindled my earlier 10-year interest of voracious reading of Sci-Fi works of writers like Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury & Arthur C.Clarke. DESPITE THE MULTIMEDIA options - COMPETING FOR EASIER, VISUAL ATTENTION than any print magazine.- I opine modestly that it?ll not only be the reading activity per se that will dwindle. The contents relevance, presentation menu such as cartoons, artistic creativity, reader participation,editorial,language and style, resource link, advert support and allied production brilliance ought to sustain WHAT TO READ, or being packaged as magazine or clamored to be read as The Rotarian or any other appealing weekly or monthly. *ROTARY INTERNATIONAL should also encourage the production of District Monttly Magazines and club Quarterlies. This initiative in itself will boost rotary awareness in the society and also augment members? rotary knowledge.* *.- RTN.GBEMI TIJANI MST,* *DIRECTOR INT.SERVICE, RC OF OLUYOLE ESTATE,IBADAN,D9130* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090403/d3d77ee9/attachment.html From browning at splitthisrock.org Fri Apr 3 04:36:51 2009 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Split This Rock - Call for Proposals: Panels, Roundtables, Workshops, and More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness invites poets, writers, activists, and all concerned citizens to Washington, DC, March 10-13, 2010 for four days of poetry, community building, and creative transformation as our country continues to grapple with two wars, a crippling economic crisis, and other social and environmental ills. The festival will feature readings, workshops, panel discussions, youth programming, film, activism -- opportunities to imagine a way forward, hone our community and activist skills, and celebrate the many ways that poetry can act as an agent for social change. We invite you to send proposals for panel discussions, group readings, roundtable discussions, workshops, and small-scale performances on a range of topics at the intersection of poetry and social change. Possibilities are endless. Challenge us. The deadline is May 30, 2009.Details and guidelines are online at: www.splitthisrock.org/documents/2010_panel_proposals.doc Discussion and community building are at the heart of Split This Rock. We value diversity, creativity, and new ideas. Check out last year's schedule for inspiration: www.splitthisrock.org/schedule.html . Please join us! Help Split This Rock Spread the Word Forward this email, post it on your blog, send a message to all your Facebook friends. We are a grassroots movement and need your help to reach a wide variety of poets and poetry lovers. Thanks! ** Sarah Browning Co-Director Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090403/a2c85921/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 3 09:43:31 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8281B19CA0B5-EE8-4533@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: knopfpoetry To: JforJames@aol.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 7:00 am Subject: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes" If you cannot view images in your e-mail, please visit http://info.randomhouse.com/cgi-bin21/DM/y/j6VK0DXKYc0Wa0Bgcn0ER Poem-a-Day brought to you by Knopf POEM-A-DAY FACEBOOK TWITTER TAKE OUR READER SURVEY SIGNED EDITIONS On February 12th, the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, the British poet Ruth Padel, his great great grand-daughter, published Darwin: A Life in Poems. Enthusiastically received in the U.K. as an essential life of the great man, the book now appears here, and Padel is visiting our shores, to read at the New York Botanical Gardens this weekend, and New York University in the coming week (links below). Her sparkling poems tell the story: Darwin's early loss of his mother, his precocious collector's instinct and passion for animals, the five-year voyage on the HMS Beagle which set him on his path as a scientist, the tensions and joys of his marriage to his cousin Emma and their rearing of ten children, several of whom did not survive. Hard to reproduce in this email format are the informative marginal notes that run alongside Padel's verses, which supply some basic chronology and factual background for each poem. For example, in the top left margin of the poem reproduced below, we are given the following setup: "January, 1832, St. Jago, Cape Verde Islands. Darwin's first glimpse of tropical vegetation"; and, a bit further down, "One of Darwin's great inspirations was the work on South America by Alexander von Humboldt, Personal Narrative of Travels to the Equatorial Regions of the New Continent." ? Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes He's standing in Elysium. Palm feathers, a green ????dream of fountain against blue sky. Banana fronds, slack rubber rivulets, a canopy of waterproof tearstain ????over his head. Pods and racemes of tamarind. Follicle, pinnacle; whorl, bole and thorn. 'I expected a good deal. I had read Humboldt ????and was afraid of disappointment.' What if he'd stayed at home? 'How utterly vain ????such fear is, none can tell but those who have seen what I have today.' A small rock off Africa ? alone with his enchantment. So much and so unknown. ????Like taking a newborn baby in your arms. 'Not only the grace of forms and rich new colours: it's the numberless ? ????& confusing ? associations rushing on the mind!' He walks through hot damp air and tastes it like the breath of earth, like blood. ????He is possessed by chlorophyll. By the calls of unknown birds. He wades into sea and scares an octopus. It puffs black hair ????at him, turns red ? as hyacinth ? and dart s for cover. He sees it watching him. He's discovered something wonderful! He tests it against coloured card ????and the sailors laugh. They know that girly blush! He feels a fool ? but look, he's touched tropical Volcanic rock ????for the first time. And Coral on its native stone. 'Often at Edinburgh have I gazed at little pools of water left by tide. From tiny Corals of our shores ????I pictured larger ones. Little did I know how exquisite, still less expect my hope of seeing them to come true. ????Never, in my wildest castles of the air, did I imagine this.' Lava must once have streamed on the sea-floor here, baking shells to white hard rock. Then a subterranean force ????pushed everything up to make an island. Vegetation he's never seen, and every step a new surprise. ????'New insects, fluttering about still newer flowers. It has been for me a glorious day, like giving to a blind man eyes.' KEEP CLICKING Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. Visit the Poem-a-Day site here to listen to Ruth Padel reading a poem of Darwin's boyhood, "Stealing the Affection of Dogs." More about Darwin About Ruth Padel Meet Ruth Padel in New York City April 5 and April 9. Take our Reader Survey Fill out this short survey and be entered for a chance to win a free collection from Everyman's Library. Poem-a-Day Sweepstakes ? Enter now for your chance to win a copy of John Updike's poetry collection Endpoint. Download a free broadside of "The Hotel Room Mirror" Meet W. S. DiPiero -- ?? Excerpt from DARWIN: A LIFE IN POEMS. Copyright ? 2009 by Ruth Padel. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. 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Gathering tribes have got all day to sort things out, to compile their dance suites, their lists of obligations to future, unformed generations. We're out of luck, my friends, but something yet might happen--tonight or tomorrow. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090403/f8e63361/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:47:11 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Norton has launched the site Poems Out In-Reply-To: <8CB828267C7D61D-920-1D6@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB828267C7D61D-920-1D6@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904041247t6977989ex7c38c6dadf9a31ed@mail.gmail.com> And here's the link, and a wonderful reading by Robert Pinsky as much as the poem by Bradstreet: http://poemsoutloud.net/ On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:48 PM, wrote: > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2009/04/norton-kicks-off-national-poetry-month.html > > To celebrate National Poetry Month, W.W. Norton has launched the site Poems > Out Loud; not surprisingly, it features recordings of poets reading poetry. > The poems can be listened to online or downloaded for later. Often the poets > read their own work ? as is the case for Rita Dove and Todd Boss, above. But > former poet laureate Robert Pinsky reads Anne Bradstreet and the poem "Of > Money" by Barnabe Googe ? the latter, written more than 400 years ago, is > still painfully true > > ------------------------------ > Get there faster with the MapQuest Toolbar. Try it now > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/90cbfc73/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 15:50:29 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> Here's an offhand thought I had in my blog entry today: there are basically three sorts of lyric poetry: happy nod poetry, ooo poetry, and resolved clang poetry. Lovers of the first two want clangless poems that make them sigh, "Oh, yes, that's just the way I feel," or "Oh, yes, that's just what I think," or gurgle, "Ooo, what a pretty scene or lady or flower arrangement or whatever." Lovers of the third want a poem to clang royally wrong, then (with some effort on their part) correct itself into a . . . blissimingly rich lyricule, or lyrical pay-off, usually a complex set of interrelating sensual images--which is to say, it will generally also be an ooo poem, a delayed ooo poem. (Yes, a poem can be more than one kind of poem though only rarely will it not be most one kind; a poem, unfortunately, can also be none of the three kinds.) The two principal ways a poem clangs wrong is by going radically off-course in some way, or by keeping too tediously on-course. "Lighght," for instance goes radically off-course in spelling, "old pond; and the sound of a frog/ splashing in" stays too tediously on-course. Why, in the first case, one instinctively flares, is "lighght" misspelled? In the second: what could possibly be the poetic point of telling us about some frog any pond would have that does what all frogs often do? Those capable of appreciating such works will instinctively answer their instinctive questions almost immediately into lyricules (or lyrical pay-offs), the first a metaphoric coherence followed by growing awareness of its archetypal ramifications, the second of the tension of an array of dichotomies followed by growing awareness of their interrelated archetypal ramifications. Yeah, the preceding is no doubt just a variation on my standard boilerplate in favor of the difficult versus the "readable," or the unconventional versus the conventional. I thought I might work on it to remove my obvious bias but decided not to. I still think it worth thinking about. If the Poetry Foundation ran it as a certified remark at its Harriet Blog, I think it'd generate a fair amount of discussion. I will say, though, that I've composed, or tried to compose, poems of all three kinds--but I've usually tried to get a clanger into my specimens of the first two kinds. --Bob From barry.spacks at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 15:41:35 2009 From: barry.spacks at verizon.net (Barry Spacks) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Breaking News -- Barry agrees with Bob In-Reply-To: <200904041700.n34H04a2025415@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200904041700.n34H04a2025415@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4C33F382-690D-411F-AA0D-8534B34EE1CE@verizon.net> On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bob G. wrote: > From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like My gosh, Bob, I'd go further than that, having dragged my way throuhgh (sic) took my nap, and now, only slightly damaged, assert that in comparison to these neologisms I'd even make nice with ad-man's "buuurstnormmmmm"! Let's see, counting the way: there's death, taxes... survivingly, Barry BTW, which of your new Procrusteanations would you prescribe for the following of mine, so far bereft of all rubric? this old poet goes to school to bamboo its circles strengthen with age it never stops having children From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 15:57:08 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Breaking News -- Barry agrees with Bob In-Reply-To: <4C33F382-690D-411F-AA0D-8534B34EE1CE@verizon.net> References: <200904041700.n34H04a2025415@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <4C33F382-690D-411F-AA0D-8534B34EE1CE@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904041357y21e0701ao9774587d4788a502@mail.gmail.com> Good to hear you again, napped and all, Barry [tho 'tis a shame you're tamed now and agree with Bob]. Roughgh stuff, life. Just add "zle" to the last word of the first stanza of your Pro-crusted [there's your title!] poem, and you're good to go. Judy going to an art gallery preview [not of my werks] and wearing some outsize awesome made-by-me silver/gold earrings oh yeah 2009/4/4 Barry Spacks > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bob G. wrote: > > From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like >> > > My gosh, Bob, I'd go further than that, having dragged my way > throuhgh (sic) took my nap, and now, only slightly damaged, > assert that in comparison to these neologisms I'd even make nice > with ad-man's "buuurstnormmmmm"! > > Let's see, counting the way: there's death, taxes... > > survivingly, > > Barry > > BTW, which of your new Procrusteanations would you prescribe for > the following of mine, so far bereft of all rubric? > > this old poet > goes to school > to bamboo > > its circles strengthen with age > it never stops > having children > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/6b89bfdd/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Sat Apr 4 16:43:38 2009 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:22 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: since i consider myself a lyric poet as much as anything, I have to say I feel a bit left out. I often try to leave things unsettled and I find that one of the best ways to do that is by setting up the complex of interrelating sounds with disconnecting sensual images with none of what yr calling a lyricule. On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Here's an offhand thought I had in my blog entry today: there are > basically three sorts of lyric poetry: happy nod poetry, ooo > poetry, and resolved clang poetry. Lovers of the first two want > clangless poems that make them sigh, "Oh, yes, that's just the way > I feel," or "Oh, yes, that's just what I think," or gurgle, "Ooo, > what a pretty scene or lady or flower arrangement or whatever." > Lovers of the third want a poem to clang royally wrong, then (with > some effort on their part) correct itself into a . . . blissimingly > rich lyricule, or lyrical pay-off, usually a complex set of > interrelating sensual images--which is to say, it will generally > also be an ooo poem, a delayed ooo poem. (Yes, a poem can be more > than one kind of poem though only rarely will it not be most one > kind; a poem, unfortunately, can also be none of the three kinds.) > > The two principal ways a poem clangs wrong is by going radically > off-course in some way, or by keeping too tediously on-course. > "Lighght," for instance goes radically off-course in spelling, "old > pond; and the sound of a frog/ splashing in" stays too tediously on- > course. Why, in the first case, one instinctively flares, is > "lighght" misspelled? In the second: what could possibly be the > poetic point of telling us about some frog any pond would have that > does what all frogs often do? Those capable of appreciating such > works will instinctively answer their instinctive questions almost > immediately into lyricules (or lyrical pay-offs), the first a > metaphoric coherence followed by growing awareness of its > archetypal ramifications, the second of the tension of an array of > dichotomies followed by growing awareness of their interrelated > archetypal ramifications. > > Yeah, the preceding is no doubt just a variation on my standard > boilerplate in favor of the difficult versus the "readable," or the > unconventional versus the conventional. I thought I might work on > it to remove my obvious bias but decided not to. I still think it > worth thinking about. If the Poetry Foundation ran it as a > certified remark at its Harriet Blog, I think it'd generate a fair > amount of discussion. > > I will say, though, that I've composed, or tried to compose, poems > of all three kinds--but I've usually tried to get a clanger into my > specimens of the first two kinds. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:51:35 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] SPRING Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904041451q7919009cm66bcf87847db0b2a@mail.gmail.com> *Spring.* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=333 With my acknowledgment to the Poets who forwarded their interpretations of this most powerful season. The fragmented anthology was born out of the many contributors? and my wish to honor Antonio Vivaldi?s masterpiece:* The Four Seasons*. *?* Editorial: Anny Ballardini *?* Lesley Wheeler *?* Barry Spacks *?* Jerome Rothenberg *?* Joseph Duemer *?* Frank Parker *?* Camille Martin *?* David Howard *?* Jeff Harrison *?* M?rton Kopp?ny *?* Pam Brown *?* Elizabeth Smither *?* Edward Mycue *?* Pierre Joris *?* Dennis Barone *?* Martin J. Walker *?* Geof Huth *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Silvia Levenson *?* Mark Young *?* Katia Kapovich *?* Daniela Gioseffi *?* Jon Corelis *?* Edward Mycue (Second Part) *?* Jesse Glass *?* Ned Condini *?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Tom Savage *?* Wendy Vardaman *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Larry Jaffe *?* Donna Pecore *?* Patricia Valdata *?* Jill Jones *?* Tad Richards *?* Hoshang Merchant *?* Tim Mayo * ?* Karl Young *?* David Graham *?* Eve Rifkah *?* Ren Katherine Powell *?* Penelope Schott *?* Alexander Jorgensen *?* Larissa Shmailo *?* Beebe Barksdale-Bruner *?* Linda Benninghoff *?* Charlotte Mandel *?* Katerina Klemer *?* Claire Keyes *?* Georgia Ann Banks-Martin * ?* Christina Pacosz *?* Phibby Venable *?* Ada Jill Schneider *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth *?* Spencer Selby *?* Amy Gottlieb *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Paul Vangelisti *?* Jerry McGuire *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Jean Vengua *?* Dan Waber *?* John Bloomberg-Rissman I would also like to invite you to the two previous Seasons with further additions, *Winter: * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=329 *?* Editorial: Anny Ballardini *?* Martha King *?* Hiram Larew *?* James Cervantes *?* Laura Kennelly *?* Edward Mycue *?* Alicia Ostriker *?* Geof Huth * ?* Elizabeth Smither *?* Daniel Zimmerman *?* Barry Spacks *?* Eve Rifkah *?* Gertrude Halstaed *?* Beverly Matherne *?* Donna Pecore *?* Jeff Harrison *?* Grace Cavalieri *?* Diane Lockward *?* Camille Martin *?* Dennis Barone *?* Alan Sondheim *?* Alexander Dickow *?* Douglas Clark *?* David Graham *?* Bob Grumman *?* Eileen Tabios *?* Sarah Menefee *?* Pam Brown * ?* Ray DiPalma *?* Jerry McGuire *?* Henry Reed *?* Paolo Ruffilli *?* Allen Bramhall *?* J.P. Dancing Bear *?* Mark Weiss *?* Susan Rich *?* Karl Young *?* Ruth Fainlight *?* Geoffrey Gatza *?* Jim Leftwich *?* Alan Michael Parker *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Jerome Rothenberg *?* Deborah Humphreys *?* Paolo Dalponte *?* Susan Edwards *?* Jean Lamberty *?* Ned Condini *?* Jill Jones *?* Lois Roma-Deeley *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Frank Parker *?* Jon Corelis *?* Tim Mayo *? * Alan Halsey * ?* Spencer Selby *?* M?rton Kopp?ny *?* Wendy Vardaman *?* Dan Waber * ?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Sheila E. Murphy *?* Ann Fisher- Wirth *?* Bob Holman *?* Berty Skuber *?* Michael Peverett *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Richard Dillon *?* Diane Kendig *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *?* Geraldine Monk *?* William Allegrezza * ?* S?amas Cain *?* Tad Richards *?* Bill Morgan *?* Hoshang Merchant *?* James Finnegan *?* Michael Snider *?* Yerra Sugarman *?* Paul Vangelisti *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *Autumn*: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=318 *?* Introduction by Anny Ballardini *?* Dirk Vekemans *?* Bobbi Lurie *?* Anny Ballardini *?* Obododimma Oha *?* Jeff Harrison *?* Cecil Touchon *?* Halvard Johnson *?* Jill McCabe Johnson *?* Ann Neuser Lederer *?* Barbara Crooker *?* Christina Pacosz *?* Penelope Schott *?* Georgia Ann Banks-Martin *?* Sandra Giedeman *?* Joel Weishaus *?* Pat Falk *? * Tim Mayo *?* Wendy Taylor Carlisle *?* Wendy Vardaman *?* Bill Morgan *?* Eileen Tabios *?* Sheila E. Murphy *?* Alan Sondheim *?* David Graham *?* Tad Richards *?* Bob Grumman *?* Henry Gould *?* Jukka-Pekka Kervinen *?* Guido Catalano *?* Ruth Fainlight *?* Ann Fisher-Wirth *?* Fan Ogilvie *?* Larissa Shmailo *?* Geof Huth * ?* Grace Cavalieri *?* Mark Weiss *?* Pam Brown * ?* David Howard *?* Edward Mycue *?* Elizabeth Smither *?* Elena Karina Byrne *?* David-Baptiste Chirot *?* Nico Vassilakis *?* Allen Bramhall *?* Dan Waber * ?* Aaron Belz * ?* Nicholas Piombino *?* Joseph Duemer *?* Daniel Zimmerman *?* Geoffrey Gatza *?* Jon Corelis *?* Berty Skuber *?* Peter Ciccariello *?* Evelyn Posamentier *?* Sharon Dolin *?* Mark Young *?* Charles Martin *?* Skip Fox *? * Dianalee Velie *?* William Allegrezza *?* Karl Young *?* Richard Dillon *?* Dan Waber * ?* Geraldine Monk * **?* Paul Vangelisti *?* Jim Leftwich The main index of the Poets? Corner: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content As usual the order of apparition follows the order by which I received the submission. 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Good haiku, though. I'd rewrite the first line as something like, "bamboo strengthening with age;" and leave the rest as is. As a continueation of the top three lines, it seems to me anti-climactic, an explanation acting somewhat against the mood the top three lines results in (for me). --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 18:06:38 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com><49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net> Jason Quackenbush wrote: > since i consider myself a lyric poet as much as anything, I have to > say I feel a bit left out. I often try to leave things unsettled and I > find that one of the best ways to do that is by setting up the complex > of interrelating sounds with disconnecting sensual images with none of > what yr calling a lyricule. Jason, I would probably say that your lyricule is some sort of image of unsettledness--unless you have a clang but no resolution. Okay, a fourth type: the unresolved clang poem. With a negative lyricule. --Bob From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 4 17:08:58 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> <49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904041508p7b9c649bl469949bb595336c2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Jason Quackenbush wrote: > >> since i consider myself a lyric poet as much as anything, I have to say I >> feel a bit left out. I often try to leave things unsettled and I find that >> one of the best ways to do that is by setting up the complex of >> interrelating sounds with disconnecting sensual images with none of what yr >> calling a lyricule. >> > Jason, I would probably say that your lyricule is some sort of image of > unsettledness--unless you have a clang but no resolution. Okay, a fourth > type: the unresolved clang poem. With a negative lyricule. > --Bob > If didn't know how seriously (and badly) weird things sometimes get with these discussions, Bob, I'd be tempted to think you're putting us all on. At least some of the time. But I know you're not. And I know you don't intend the weirdness, bad or serious or any other kind. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Never much good at getting stoned, he took to pacing the deck, to hanging over the rail and watching the water give way to the ship. Belowdecks, all was sundry. All was as it was the day before, and the day before that. Unrepentant vicars danced the nights away. After seven or so days at sea, he finally began to work on his new tetralogy, the one he had dreamt of all along, despite the wishes of his grandparents, his parents, and the good, honest people of Entgegenw?rtigung Town, who all, of course, had wished him well. The work went quite well for several days, until it went less well, and then finally stopped, repeating the last few lines over and over and over. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/be12f511/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 20:01:12 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:23 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904041801tfcb636dva531828a3f9d2e3c@mail.gmail.com> You might be onto something with this 'clang', Bob. Have you run it and your discussion thru/by/in the Harriet Blog on PF? It could use a bitta spice. All mainstream outlets [I like that, 'mainstream outlets'] could use an infuse of Grummanisms. Not like labels and definitions oughtn't to be refreshed occasionally. That said, I follow only roughly half of what you say most of the time, but so what; I register only half of most explainy prose anyway. Judy 2009/4/4 Bob Grumman > Here's an offhand thought I had in my blog entry today: there are basically > three sorts of lyric poetry: happy nod poetry, ooo poetry, and resolved > clang poetry. Lovers of the first two want clangless poems that make them > sigh, "Oh, yes, that's just the way I feel," or "Oh, yes, that's just what I > think," or gurgle, "Ooo, what a pretty scene or lady or flower arrangement > or whatever." Lovers of the third want a poem to clang royally wrong, then > (with some effort on their part) correct itself into a . . . blissimingly > rich lyricule, or lyrical pay-off, usually a complex set of interrelating > sensual images--which is to say, it will generally also be an ooo poem, a > delayed ooo poem. (Yes, a poem can be more than one kind of poem though > only rarely will it not be most one kind; a poem, unfortunately, can also be > none of the three kinds.) > > The two principal ways a poem clangs wrong is by going radically off-course > in some way, or by keeping too tediously on-course. "Lighght," for instance > goes radically off-course in spelling, "old pond; and the sound of a frog/ > splashing in" stays too tediously on-course. Why, in the first case, one > instinctively flares, is "lighght" misspelled? In the second: what could > possibly be the poetic point of telling us about some frog any pond would > have that does what all frogs often do? Those capable of appreciating such > works will instinctively answer their instinctive questions almost > immediately into lyricules (or lyrical pay-offs), the first a metaphoric > coherence followed by growing awareness of its archetypal ramifications, the > second of the tension of an array of dichotomies followed by growing > awareness of their interrelated archetypal ramifications. > > Yeah, the preceding is no doubt just a variation on my standard > boilerplate in favor of the difficult versus the "readable," or the > unconventional versus the conventional. I thought I might work on it to > remove my obvious bias but decided not to. I still think it worth thinking > about. If the Poetry Foundation ran it as a certified remark at its Harriet > Blog, I think it'd generate a fair amount of discussion. > > I will say, though, that I've composed, or tried to compose, poems of all > three kinds--but I've usually tried to get a clanger into my specimens of > the first two kinds. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robin From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 20:14:41 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Say No More In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904041814t288a6071k64f3ccffc4a6141a@mail.gmail.com> Hal, I like everything from 'unrepentant vicars' to the end----and the last sentence sneaks, chops, and hits profoundly. Nice. When you [or anybody] can make me laugh and frown and think in one poem, that's quite unique. Best, Judy 2009/4/4 Halvard Johnson > Say No More > > His instinct was to blurt it all out, to take the chance > of saying too much. Never much good at getting > stoned, he took to pacing the deck, to hanging over > the rail and watching the water give way to the ship. > > Belowdecks, all was sundry. All was as it was the day > before, and the day before that. Unrepentant vicars > danced the nights away. After seven or so days at sea, > he finally began to work on his new tetralogy, the one > > he had dreamt of all along, despite the wishes of his > grandparents, his parents, and the good, honest people > of Entgegenw?rtigung Town, who all, of course, had > wished him well. The work went quite well for several > > days, until it went less well, and then finally stopped, > repeating the last few lines over and over and over. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/05440ea1/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 21:20:38 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <6768ac830904041508p7b9c649bl469949bb595336c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com><49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net><49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904041508p7b9c649bl469949bb595336c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D81576.2080105@nut-n-but.net> > If didn't know how seriously (and badly) weird things sometimes get > with these discussions, Bob, I'd be tempted to think you're putting us > all on. At least some of the time. > > But I know you're not. And I know you don't intend the weirdness, bad > or serious or any other kind. I'm not sure I don't intend the weird, Mike. Everything intelligent starts out seeming weird to others. Which doesn't mean that everything starting out weird is intelligent. Anyway, I conclude that the clang of what I said has not found resolution in your mind. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 21:27:34 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] SPRING In-Reply-To: <22B389E9F2BF4F758FAC95445FB7DDA2@RobinLaptopPC> References: <4b65c2d70904041451q7919009cm66bcf87847db0b2a@mail.gmail.com><49D7EA85.9050105@nut-n-but.net><7db1d01b0904041803l1668 4aefs36b80bad375c612f@mail.gmail.com> <22B389E9F2BF4F758FAC95445FB7DDA2@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: <49D81716.7070809@nut-n-but.net> Robin Hamilton wrote: > << > I like it. > > Judy >>> > > I do too -- reminds me of the Classical Sixties Style of Concrete > Poetry. > > Robin Thanks, Robin (and Judy). Yes, very concrete a poem--but mathematical! (Whee!) Didn't mean to post it here, but forgot to send directly to Anny. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 21:30:46 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: My First CLANG! In-Reply-To: References: <200904041900.n34J0Ca2027551@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <49D817D6.7000609@nut-n-but.net> Barry Spacks wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Bob wrote: >> >> ...a nice resolved clang of a haiku. > > amongst the memories, what can compare > to a first CLANG? > > this old poet > feels like > a St. Louis Judy > > (reference not obscure to cineastes) > > snugly categorized, > Barry, you've had many poems with resolved clangs in them. I would say all the poets at New-Poetry whose poems I know have. No big deal. Having a clang is just a different way of saying tell it slant. Except that there are more ways to achieve a clang than slant diction. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 4 21:35:28 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0904041801tfcb636dva531828a3f9d2e3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com><49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904041801tfcb636dva531828a3f9d2e3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D818F0.9070804@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > You might be onto something with this 'clang', Bob. Have you run it > and your discussion thru/by/in the Harriet Blog on PF? It could use a > bitta spice. Agreed, but I haven't bothered. My posts to Harriet are ignored. Except when I insulted Poetry magazine and drew some Barryisms from its editor. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 20:52:44 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <49D818F0.9070804@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904041801tfcb636dva531828a3f9d2e3c@mail.gmail.com> <49D818F0.9070804@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904041852n5130c4e1j93b44670ffe9895d@mail.gmail.com> 'Barryisms', Bob? Judy 2009/4/4 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> You might be onto something with this 'clang', Bob. Have you run it and >> your discussion thru/by/in the Harriet Blog on PF? It could use a bitta >> spice. >> > Agreed, but I haven't bothered. My posts to Harriet are ignored. Except > when I insulted Poetry magazine and drew some Barryisms from its editor. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/d401d2da/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 21:34:03 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] AFFINITY BEYOND THE CHLOROPHYL -COMMEMORATING WITH RUTH PADEL & THE DARWINS BY GBEMI TIJANI MST Message-ID: <5908b9b20904041934v2f4dd5edle058c31b91fb551d@mail.gmail.com> p.s. A HEARTY HURRIED IMPRESSION ON THE NEW YORK BOTANICAL READINGS It?s heartening to learn that Ruth Padel,A GREAT,GREAT GRAND-DAUGHTER of the great evolution - pioneer scientist -CHARLES DARWIN -is actively poetically alive to refresh the positively bio-historical world now commemorating Darwin's 200 th worthy, significantly wealthy birthday of a rare genius -whose dogged vision and unique travels and taxonomy enabled scientific identities of living organisms -flora and fauna inclusive to be less mystic and more evidently credible TILL DATE! Science and the arts however permit more discoveries on genetic speciation and origin of species insofar as any fresh claim show evidences of their endeavor or proof of their findings...Time will tell applies at the poetic historical observer?s level. I heartily felicitate with Padel as she performs that special poems of Darwin -in-poems --wrought at The Beagle? I wish IRVING STONE; the biographer of Sigmund Freud and Charles Darwin is alive to rewrite the event in his usual thick but lucid narrative. Even then the likes of them with versatile cerebrals -with exceptionally developed Brocas & Wernickles' areas will fictionalize. I mean the splendor of the great, great genealogy and boosters of the ORIGIN OF SPECIES -..I love the lives you all lived the clergy, the poetry, the scientific travels, the HMS Beagle, the palaentological years, the biological writings, the controversy, the truth testing, the populous kids fathered as if experimenting the limit of human womb, the daughter, the Darwinism impact on us all . .I hope his demise is not just embalmed permanently but also archived, dated marked beyond CARBON14.I rejoice with New Yorkers who ?d hosting this great reading this week. I?m sure NEW POETRY will wake up her global audience during this resplendent event .hurried impression by GBEMI TIJANI MST, 5THApril 2009 On 4/3/09, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to > From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 4 22:13:32 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] tell me what you really think Message-ID: <8CB83B3A28D2291-12A8-F60@MBLK-M15.sysops.aol.com> http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2009/04/03/lots_of_love_and_a_little_poetry_2_women_and_dylan_thomas/ 'The Edge of Love" is a "great poet" movie, the poet in this case being Dylan Thomas, and it's utter bollocks... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/0332007a/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 4 22:40:49 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <49D81576.2080105@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com> <49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> <49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904041508p7b9c649bl469949bb595336c2@mail.gmail.com> <49D81576.2080105@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904042040p290d8b18n3b6f5d8397727a49@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >> I'm not sure I don't intend the weird, Mike. Everything intelligent > starts out seeming weird to others. Which doesn't mean that everything > starting out weird is intelligent. Anyway, I conclude that the clang of > what I said has not found resolution in your mind. > > > --Bob > Bob, I sincerely hope you never intended the weird I was talking about. Richard Feynman, who got the Nobel for his work in quantum chromodynamics once said that the day Einstein's 1905 paper on relativity came out, everyone who could read it understood it and knewi it was right. On the other hand, he said, no one will ever understand quantum mechanics, but it was demonstrably true because the calculations work. (But then, Einstein never accepted it, saying something deeoper and importantly, simpler, underlay it.) So no, the new is not inevitably weird -- and is usually, in fact a sign that something is wrong with some part of one's understanding, and with poems there aren't any calculations to work or not. And no, I'm not a fan of clang. I am a fan of Lighght, even if I'm not sure it's a poem. I'm no essentialist, but neither am I Humpty Dumpty -Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090404/2f6daafb/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sun Apr 5 00:18:29 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] SPRING In-Reply-To: <49D7EA85.9050105@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70904041451q7919009cm66bcf87847db0b2a@mail.gmail.com> <49D7EA85.9050105@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904042218s6131074id5365052092457fb@mail.gmail.com> I like it, too, Bob ? and this one seems to me to be undoubtedly a poem -- though "spring divided by park = rain" is a mouthful. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny, I forgot to send you mine. It's attached. Title: "Mathemaku No. > 4a." I hope it's not too late. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090405/859b5e87/attachment.html From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 5 04:21:32 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a BlindMan Eyes" References: <8CB8281B19CA0B5-EE8-4533@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80391715A7994FDC8EB115EF3999C694@SN037832120162> Nothing personal, James, as you wouldn't be aware of this, but many of us in Britain feel like looking for the nearest axe when being told yet again about Ruth Padel's ancestry: the marketing blitz (and by poetry's standards it really is that) began about January the 2nd, over and over again the fact, and Ms Padel, keep appearing in the 'serious' media ( places like The Guardian or BBC Radio 3 or 4). We mentioned this to a well-established Brit poet we were entertaining the other night and he said 'ah, but how can you blame her? It's her one big chance.' Myself, I think it marks the definitive Descent of Padel. best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a BlindMan Eyes" -----Original Message----- From: knopfpoetry To: JforJames@aol.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 7:00 am Subject: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes" If you cannot view images in your e-mail, please visit http://info.randomhouse.com/cgi-bin21/DM/y/j6VK0DXKYc0Wa0Bgcn0ER Poem-a-Day brought to you by Knopf POE M-A-DAY FACEBOOK TWITTER TAKE OUR READER SURVEY SIGNED EDITI ONS On February 12th, the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, the British poet Ruth Padel, his great great grand-daughter, published Darwin: A Life in Poems. Enthusiastically received in the U.K. as an essential life of the great man, the book now appears here, and Padel is visiting our shores, to read at the New York Botanical Gardens this weekend, and New York University in the coming week (links below). Her sparkling poems tell the story: Darwin's early loss of his mother, his precocious collector's instinct and passion for animals, the five-year voyage on the HMS Beagle which set him on his path as a scientist, the tensions and joys of his marriage to his cousin Emma and their rearing of ten children, several of whom did not survive. Hard to reproduce in this email format are the informative marginal notes that run alongside Padel's verses, which supply some basic chronology and factual background for each poem. For example, in the top left margin of the poem reproduced below, we are given the following setup: "January, 1832, St. Jago, Cape Verde Islands. Darwin's first glimpse of tropical vegetation"; and, a bit further down, "One of Darwin 's great inspirations was the work on South America by Alexander von Humboldt, Personal Narrative of Travels to the Equatorial Regions of the New Continent." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes He's standing in Elysium. Palm feathers, a green dream of fountain against blue sky. Banana fronds, slack rubber rivulets, a canopy of waterproof tearstain over his head. Pods and racemes of tamarind. Follicle, pinnacle; whorl, bole and thorn. 'I expected a good deal. I had read Humboldt and was afraid of disappointment.' What if he'd stayed at home? 'How utterly vain such fear is, none can tell but those who have seen what I have today.' A small rock off Africa ? alone with his enchantment. So much and so unknown. Like taking a newborn baby in your arms. 'Not only the grace of forms and rich new colours: it's the numberless ? & confusing ? associations rushing on the mind!' He walks through hot damp air and tastes it like the breath of earth, like blood. He is possessed by chlorophyll. By the calls of unknown birds. He wades into sea and scares an octopus.=2 0It puffs black hair at him, turns red ? as hyacinth ? and darts for cover. He sees it watching him. He's discovered something wonderful! He tests it against coloured card and the sailors laugh. They know that girly blush! He feels a fool ? but look, he's touched tropical Volcanic rock for the first time. And Coral on its native stone. 'Often at Edinburgh have I gazed at little pools of water left by tide. From tiny Corals of our shores I pictured larger ones. Little did I know how exquisite, still less expect my hope of seeing them to come true. Never, in my wildest castles of the air, did I imagine this.' Lava must once have streamed on the sea-floor here, baking shells to white hard rock. Then a subterranean force pushed everything up to make an island. Vegetation he's never seen, and every step a new surprise. 'New insects, fluttering about still newer flowers. It has been for me a glorious day, like giving to a blind man eyes.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KEEP CLICKING Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. Visit the Poem-a-Day site here to listen to Ruth Padel reading a poem of Darwin's boyhood, "Stealing the Affection of Dogs." More about Darwin About Ruth Padel Meet Ruth Padel in New York City April 5 and April 9. Take our Reader Survey Fill out this short survey and be entered for a chance to win a free coll ection from Everyman's Library. Poem-a-Day Sweepstakes ? Enter now for your chance to win a copy of John Updike's poetry collection Endpoint. Download a free broadside of "The Hotel Room Mirror" Meet W. S. DiPiero -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Excerpt from DARWIN: A LIFE IN POEMS. Copyright ? 2009 by Ruth Padel. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in w riting from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to knopfpoetry@randomhouse.com You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day mailing list. Random House, Inc., 1745 Broadway, New York, NY 10019 To unsubscribe, send a blank email to unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. SUBSCRIBE to Poem-a-Day ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get there faster with the MapQuest Toolbar. 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What a mad thing is to know too much, I'd rather give up what I know from behind the scenes just so many times, but then, how can you? You'd be the dummy of them All. What an illogically painful disappointment, romantically and springly yours_ On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM, David Bircumshaw < david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Nothing personal, James, as you wouldn't be aware of this, but many of us > in Britain feel like looking for the nearest axe when being told yet again > about Ruth Padel's ancestry: the marketing blitz (and by poetry's standards > it really is that) began about January the 2nd, over and over again the > fact, and Ms Padel, keep appearing in the 'serious' media ( places like The > Guardian or BBC Radio 3 or 4). > We mentioned this to a well-established Brit poet we were entertaining the > other night and he said 'ah, but how can you blame her? It's her one big > chance.' > Myself, I think it marks the definitive Descent of Padel. > > best > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* jforjames@aol.com > *To:* new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 3:43 PM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a > BlindMan Eyes" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: knopfpoetry > To: JforJames@aol.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 7:00 am > Subject: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes" > > If you cannot view images in your e-mail, please visit > http://info.randomhouse.com/cgi-bin21/DM/y/j6VK0DXKYc0Wa0Bgcn0ER Poem-a-Day > brought to you by Knopf > > POE M-A-DAY > > FACEBOOK > > TWITTER > TAKE OUR READER SURVEY > SIGNED EDITI ONS > > > On February 12th, the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, the > British poet Ruth Padel, his great great grand-daughter, published *Darwin: > A Life in Poems*. Enthusiastically received in the U.K. as an essential > life of the great man, the book now appears here, and Padel is visiting our > shores, to read at the New York Botanical Gardens this weekend, and New York > University in the coming week (links below). Her sparkling poems tell the > story: Darwin's early loss of his mother, his precocious collector's > instinct and passion for animals, the five-year voyage on the HMS Beagle > which set him on his path as a scientist, the tensions and joys of his > marriage to his cousin Emma and their rearing of ten children, several of > whom did not survive. Hard to reproduce in this email format are the > informative marginal notes that run alongside Padel's verses, which supply > some basic chronology and factual background for each poem. For example, in > the top left margin of the poem reproduced below, we are given the following > setup: "January, 1832, St. Jago, Cape Verde Islands. Darwin's first glimpse > of tropical vegetation"; and, a bit further down, "One of Darwin 's great > inspirations was the work on South America by Alexander von Humboldt, *Personal > Narrative of Travels to the Equatorial Regions of the New Continent*." > > ------------------------------ > > *Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes* He's standing in Elysium. Palm > feathers, a green > dream of fountain against blue sky. Banana fronds, > slack rubber rivulets, a canopy of waterproof tearstain > over his head. Pods and racemes of tamarind. > Follicle, pinnacle; whorl, bole and thorn. > 'I expected a good deal. I had read Humboldt > and was afraid of disappointment.' > What if he'd stayed at home? 'How utterly vain > such fear is, none can tell but those who have seen > what I have today.' A small rock off Africa ? > alone with his enchantment. So much and so unknown. > Like taking a newborn baby in your arms. 'Not only the grace > of forms and rich new colours: it's the numberless ? > & confusing ? associations rushing on the mind!' > He walks through hot damp air > and tastes it like the breath of earth, like blood. > He is possessed by chlorophyll. By the calls of unknown birds. > He wades into sea and scares an octopus.=2 0It puffs black hair > at him, turns *red* ? as hyacinth ? and darts for cover. > He sees it watching him. He's discovered > something wonderful! He tests it against coloured card > and the sailors laugh. They know that girly blush! > He feels a fool ? but look, he's touched tropical Volcanic rock > for the first time. And Coral on its native stone. > 'Often at Edinburgh have I gazed at little pools > of water left by tide. From tiny Corals of our shores > I pictured larger ones. Little did I know how exquisite, > still less expect my hope of seeing them to come true. > Never, in my wildest castles of the air, did I imagine this.' > Lava must once have streamed on the sea-floor here, > baking shells to white hard rock. Then a subterranean force > pushed everything up to make an island. > Vegetation he's never seen, and every step a new surprise. > 'New insects, fluttering about still newer flowers. It has been > for me a glorious day, like giving to a blind man eyes.' > > ------------------------------ > > > *KEEP CLICKING* > > Go to the Poem-a-Day websiteto comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. > > Visit the Poem-a-Day site hereto listen to Ruth Padel reading a poem of Darwin's boyhood, "Stealing the > Affection of Dogs." > > More about *Darwin* > > About Ruth Padel > > Meet Ruth Padelin New York City April 5 and April 9. > > Take our Reader SurveyFill out this short survey and be entered for a chance to win a free coll > ection from Everyman's Library. > > Poem-a-Day Sweepstakes? Enter now for your chance to win a copy of John Updike's poetry collection > *Endpoint*. Download a free broadside of "The Hotel Room Mirror" > > Meet W. S. DiPiero > -- > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Excerpt from DARWIN: A LIFE IN POEMS. Copyright ? 2009 by Ruth Padel. > Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. > All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted > without permission in w riting from the publisher. > > We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to > knopfpoetry@randomhouse.com > > You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day > mailing list. > Random House, Inc., 1745 Broadway, New York, NY 10019 > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. > > SUBSCRIBE to Poem-a-Day > > > > > ------------------------------ > Get there faster with the MapQuest Toolbar. 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Anyway, I > conclude that the clang of what I said has not found resolution in > your mind. > > > --Bob > > Bob, I sincerely hope you never intended the weird I was talking about. > > Richard Feynman, who got the Nobel for his work in quantum > chromodynamics once said that the day Einstein's 1905 paper on > relativity came out, everyone who could read it understood it and > knewi it was right. On the other hand, he said, no one will ever > understand quantum mechanics, but it was demonstrably true because the > calculations work. (But then, Einstein never accepted it, saying > something deeper and importantly, simpler, underlay it.) > > So no, the new is not inevitably weird -- and is usually, in fact a > sign that something is wrong with some part of one's understanding, The new always seems weird according to my psychology. It is something you have to adjust to. The really weird may be something else, although I can't say that anything at all seems weird to me, once I've thought about it. Other than the simple fact that we exist. I agree that the new is a sign that something is--I'd say, "was"--wrong with one's understanding. It's an attempt to improve. If everything's perfect, we don't need it. > and with poems there aren't any calculations to work or not. I think you fumbled your syntax or something here. Except that our authority on syntax hasn't pointed it out yet. I suppose you're just stating your boilerplate that poems somehow transcend explanation in a way that automobiles don't, which is where you and I have to agree to disagree. > And no, I'm not a fan of clang. I am a fan of Lighght, even if I'm not > sure it's a poem. I'm no essentialist, but neither am I Humpty Dumpty > > -Mike. Dunno what an essentialist is. If lighght is not a poem, what is it? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you expect them to write and talk about, poetry? --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 5 09:33:27 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poster Poem In-Reply-To: <49D8A230.90207@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB8281B19CA0B5-EE8-4533@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com><80391715A79 94FDC8EB115EF3999C694@SN037832120162> <49D8A230.90207@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49D8B327.8000404@nut-n-but.net> Now that I've accidentally found out one can post poems here as attachments, I just hadda post my latest--because I just realized that, completely against my intentions, it came out as a poster for National Poetry Establishment Month. I still think it a pleasant little thing. Note- it helps if you're familiar with Basho's haiku about the old pond a frog splashes into. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I still think it a pleasant little thing. > Note- it helps if you're familiar with Basho's haiku about the old pond a > frog splashes into. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Reminds me that I meant to thank James for posting Padel's poem. I think > that she did well by Charles in it, and find it interesting that she is a > direct descendant of his. I further think that one's ancestry better > indicates one's bona fides than degrees, prizes, sales and positions. > Finally, I think that what the media does with information is probably not > much her fault. What do you expect them to write and talk about, poetry? > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd emphasise here this is member of the public annoyance, it gets on my nerves, as well as others I know, to be continually reminded of the fact. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving toaBlindMan Eyes" > Reminds me that I meant to thank James for posting Padel's poem. I think > that she did well by Charles in it, and find it interesting that she is a > direct descendant of his. I further think that one's ancestry better > indicates one's bona fides than degrees, prizes, sales and positions. > Finally, I think that what the media does with information is probably not > much her fault. What do you expect them to write and talk about, poetry? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sun Apr 5 09:53:17 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickmen Message-ID: The April 6 issue of The New Yorker has an article (not available online) about Michael & Matthew Dickman, the identical twin poets who write such different poems. As is typical, I guess, for TNY, it's mostly gossip, with a few lines of poetry quoted in passing; but of interest if you haven't heard yet their story. I generally don't believe poets who present themselves as being above gossip, anyway. . . . My own favorite tidbit is the anecdote about the brothers when they were in school opting out of a lengthy analysis of one of Sharon Olds's father-poems on the grounds that they didn't wish to dissect their own grandfather. . . . (Technically, step-grandfather, I guess, but still.) Just as Darwin's great-great granddaughter is proving irresistable to journalists, the Dickman brothers are fated to be known forevermore as "those twin poets." Much too soon to tell if there's anything more than a flash in that pan, I suppose. Here's the article abstract: ABSTRACT: PROFILE of Michael and Matthew Dickman, twin brothers and poets. Michael and Matthew Dickman often draw from a similar well of images and experiences. Michael?s poems are interior, fragmentary, and austere, often stripped down to single-word lines; they seethe with incipient violence. Matthew?s are effusive, ecstatic, and all- embracing, spilling over with pop-cultural references and exuberant carnality. Reading Michael is like stepping out of an overheated apartment building to be met, unexpectedly, by an exhilaratingly chill gust of wind; reading Matthew is like taking a deep, warm bath with a glass of wine balanced on the soap dish. The Dickmans? swift and simultaneous rise has aroused suspicion in some circles. Michael Schiavo, a young poet and blogger wrote, ?the Dickman twins have put their life story, not their poetry, front and center.? The Dickman twins have made efforts to resist the pairing of their work, as does Michael Wiegers, the executive director of Copper Canyon, which has published and distributed their books. Compares the twins to other writers who are brothers: Frank and Malachy McCourt and Tobias and Geoffrey Wolff. One way of looking at their work is as an illustration of the distinctiveness of the imagination, even in two people who are as alike as two people can be. From the time they were teen-agers, the brothers have supported themselves with food-service jobs. Describes their childhood in the Portland, Oregon neighborhood of Lents. Their mother, Wendy, was unmarried and had become pregnant during a brief relationship with the boys? father, Allen Hull. The twins shared a made-up baby language and had an unusual sympathy of experience. Tells about the decline of Lents. Drugs and gangs became a presence in the area. Wendy?s stepfather was also the father of the poet Sharon Olds, who was an intermittent presence in the boys? adolescence. The boys attended private Catholic schools, began drinking at twelve, and attended parties where gang members fired guns in the street. Tells about the positive influences of their half brother and half sister Darin and Dana. In high school, the twins started to write poems. Girls they were interested in introduced them to the work of Pablo Neruda and Anne Sexton. As teen-agers they began loitering at Powell?s Books. Discusses their college careers and their appearance in Steven Spielberg?s movie ?Minority Report.? Matthew recalls an encounter with Allen Ginsberg. Not long ago, the brothers were contacted by Pablo Van Dijk with a proposal: that each write a poem for the other about their birth to be published together in a chapbook. The poems are as unalike as twin poems can be. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose you're just > stating your boilerplate that poems somehow transcend explanation in a way > that automobiles don't, which is where you and I have to agree to disagree. > The mechanics or the aesthetics? The mechanics of the automobile don't transcend explanation, but the aesthetics surely do, just as the aesthetics of poetry continue to prove to be beyond explanation... as evidenced by the way the conversation goes on (and on, and on, and on) here. If there's an explanation, no one seems to know it or be able to share it... c From jforjames at aol.com Sun Apr 5 12:07:53 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book of Note: First We Read, Then We Write Message-ID: <8CB841FCF2C9F29-12A8-18BC@MBLK-M15.sysops.aol.com> http://uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2009-spring/richardson.htm First We Read, Then We Write Emerson on the Creative Process By Robert D. Richardson? ?Writing was the central passion of Emerson?s life. While his thoughts on the craft are well developed in ?The Poet,? ?The American Scholar,? Nature, ?Goethe,? and ?Persian Poetry,? less well known are the many pages in his private journals devoted to the relationship between writing and reading. Here, for the first time, is the Concord Sage?s energetic, exuberant, and unconventional advice on the idea of writing, focused and distilled by the preeminent Emerson biographer at work today. Emerson advised that ?the way to write is to throw your body at the mark when your arrows are spent.? First We Read, Then We Write contains numerous such surprises?from ?every word we speak is million-faced? to ?talent alone cannot make a writer??but it is no mere collection of aphorisms and exhortations. Instead, in Robert Richardson?s hands, the biographical and historical context in which Emerson worked becomes clear. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I sympathize as a member of the public, but blame it on the media much more than on the poet. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 5 13:29:33 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:25 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From My Blog Something Barry Probably Won't Like In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0904050902g610c19a2ma09ded34079c065@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB828455A2D27D-920-2D9@WEBMAIL-MY05.sysops.aol.com><49D7C815.2090809@nut-n-but.net> <49D7E7FE.1010002@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904041508p7b9c649bl469949bb595336c2@mail.gmail.com><49D81576.2080105@nut-n-but.net>< 6768ac830904042040p290d8b18n3b6f5d8397727a49@mail.gmail.com><49D89E58.6080804@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904050902g610c19a2ma09ded34079c065@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D8EA7D.1010107@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> I suppose you're just >> stating your boilerplate that poems somehow transcend explanation in a way >> that automobiles don't, which is where you and I have to agree to disagree. >> >> > > The mechanics or the aesthetics? The mechanics of the automobile don't > transcend explanation, Sure they do. There's such a thing as quantum mechanics, you know. I think even you might agree that the aesthetics of poems can be as well explained as the mechanics of an automobile. That is, one can say about a simple formal poem that it scans and rhymes (which are known quantities and behave to make the poem go the way gas and spark make a car go though no one can say, finally, just how in a way that will satisfy those refusing to let go of a belief in magic). One can mention all sorts of standard devices in a poem and even say why they work or why they don't. Don't know enough about cars, or have my own notion of poetry well enough in hand, to go on, Chris. I hope you at least have an idea of my point here and can agree somewhat with it. I would say the aesthetics AND science of anything is beyond FULL explanation but not beyond sufficient explanation, because words are beyond full definition, but not beyond sufficient definition (definition, that is, sufficient to allow people to tell some X from all that is not X). --Bob > but the aesthetics surely do, just as the > aesthetics of poetry continue to prove to be beyond explanation... as > evidenced by the way the conversation goes on (and on, and on, and on) > here. If there's an explanation, no one seems to know it or be able to > share it... > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not intended to mean anything worse than "bobisms" would. --Bob From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sun Apr 5 12:40:21 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dickmen Message-ID: I read this (I'm a subscriber although I increasingly wonder why). For two guys who claim they don't want to be identified in terms of being twins, they sure play it up--joint readings, going to the same writing program etc. I read Matthew's book and didn't find a lot of there there, but that's just my take on it (and I plan to look again when the hype has died somewhat). But this is one more case of a poet (or poets in this case) being noticed for everything but the work itself. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What a mad thing is to know too much, I'd rather give up what I know from behind the scenes just so many times, but then, how can you? You'd be the dummy of them All. What an illogically painful disappointment, romantically and springly yours_ On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote: Nothing personal, James, as you wouldn't be aware of this, but many of us in Britain feel like looking for the nearest axe when being told yet again about Ruth Padel's ancestry: the marketing blitz (and by poetry's standards it really is that) began about January the 2nd, over and over again the fact, and Ms Padel, keep appearing in the 'serious' media ( places like The Guardian or BBC Radio 3 or 4). We mentioned this to a well-established Brit poet we were entertaining the other night and he said 'ah, but how can you blame her? It's her one big chance.' Myself, I think it marks the definitive Descent of Padel. best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a BlindMan Eyes" -----Original Message----- From: knopfpoetry To: JforJames@aol.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 7:00 am Subject: Poem-a-Day: Ruth Padel's "Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes" If you cannot view images in your e-mail, please visit http://info.randomhouse.com/cgi-bin21/DM/y/j6VK0DXKYc0Wa0Bgcn0ER Poem-a-Day brought to you by Knopf POE M-A-DAY FACEBOOK TWITTER TAKE OUR READER SURVEY SIGNED EDITI ONS On February 12th, the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, the British poet Ruth Padel, his great great grand-daughter, published Darwin: A Life in Poems. Enthusiastically received in the U.K. as an essential life of the great man, the book now appears here, and Padel is visiting our shores, to read at the New York Botanical Gardens this weekend, and New York University in the coming week (links below). Her sparkling poems tell the story: Darwin's early loss of his mother, his precocious collector's instinct and passion for animals, the five-year voyage on the HMS Beagle which set him on his path as a scientist, the tensions and joys of his marriage to his cousin Emma and their rearing of ten children, several of whom did not survive. Hard to reproduce in this email format are the informative marginal notes that run alongside Padel's verses, which supply some basic chronology and factual background for each poem. For example, in the top left margin of the poem reproduced below, we are given the following setup: "January, 1832, St. Jago, Cape Verde Islands. Darwin's first glimpse of tropical vegetation"; and, a bit further down, "One of Darwin 's great inspirations was the work on South America by Alexander von Humboldt, Personal Narrative of Travels to the Equatorial Regions of the New Continent." -------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Giving to a Blind Man Eyes He's standing in Elysium. Palm feathers, a green dream of fountain against blue sky. Banana fronds, slack rubber rivulets, a canopy of waterproof tearstain over his head. Pods and racemes of tamarind. Follicle, pinnacle; whorl, bole and thorn. 'I expected a good deal. I had read Humboldt and was afraid of disappointment.' What if he'd stayed at home? 'How utterly vain such fear is, none can tell but those who have seen what I have today.' A small rock off Africa ? alone with his enchantment. So much and so unknown. Like taking a newborn baby in your arms. 'Not only the grace of forms and rich new colours: it's the numberless ? & confusing ? associations rushing on the mind!' He walks through hot damp air and tastes it like the breath of earth, like blood. He is possessed by chlorophyll. By the calls of unknown birds. He wades into sea and scares an octopus.=2 0It puffs black hair at him, turns red ? as hyacinth ? and darts for cover. He sees it watching him. He's discovered something wonderful! He tests it against coloured card and the sailors laugh. They know that girly blush! He feels a fool ? but look, he's touched tropical Volcanic rock for the first time. And Coral on its native stone. 'Often at Edinburgh have I gazed at little pools of water left by tide. From tiny Corals of our shores I pictured larger ones. Little did I know how exquisite, still less expect my hope of seeing them to come true. Never, in my wildest castles of the air, did I imagine this.' Lava must once have streamed on the sea-floor here, baking shells to white hard rock. Then a subterranean force pushed everything up to make an island. Vegetation he's never seen, and every step a new surprise. 'New insects, fluttering about still newer flowers. It has been for me a glorious day, like giving to a blind man eyes.' -------------------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CLICKING Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. Visit the Poem-a-Day site here to listen to Ruth Padel reading a poem of Darwin's boyhood, "Stealing the Affection of Dogs." More about Darwin About Ruth Padel Meet Ruth Padel in New York City April 5 and April 9. Take our Reader Survey Fill out this short survey and be entered for a chance to win a free coll ection from Everyman's Library. Poem-a-Day Sweepstakes ? Enter now for your chance to win a copy of John Updike's poetry collection Endpoint. 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Two Fulbright Alumni, Alexander Dickow (Fulb.?in France?2003) author of ??Caramboles???andSophie Maurer (Fulb. US 2003), author of ??Asthmes?? offer us an evening of literary readings and Q&A. ? FRANCE FULBRIGHT vous propose ? Lundi 6 avril?de 18 ? 20 heures HAPPY HOUR FULBRIGHT? au Bistrot Mazarine, 42 rue Mazarine, Paris 6?me? Tel. 01 43 29 99 01 (m?tro St Germain des Pr?s, Od?on, Mabillon) Attention?! Le Bistrot Mazarine est au42 rue Mazarine et non 12 comme annonc? pr?c?demment. Deux anciens, Alexander Dickow (Fulb. am?ricain 2003) auteur de ??Caramboles?? et Sophie Maurer (Fulb. 2003), auteur de ??Asthmes?? nous proposent une lecture po?tique et litt?raire. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Venez nombreux!* > > *Amicalement, Alex* > > ** > > *FRANCE FULBRIGHT announces* > > * * > > *Monday April 6th* from 6pm to 8pm *FULBRIGHT HAPPY HOUR* at the *Bistrot > Mazarine, *42 rue Mazarine, Paris 6th Arrondissement; Tel. 01 43 29 99 01 > (metro St Germain des Pr?s, Od?on, Mabillon) > > *Attention!* The Bistrot Mazarine is at* 42 rue Mazarine,* and not *12* as > previously announced. > > Two Fulbright Alumni, *Alexander Dickow *(Fulb. in France 2003) author of > ? Caramboles ? and* Sophie Maurer* (Fulb. US 2003), author of ? Asthmes ? > offer us an evening of *literary readings and Q&A.* > > ** > > *FRANCE FULBRIGHT vous propose* > > * * > > *Lundi 6 avril* de 18 ? 20 heures *HAPPY HOUR FULBRIGHT* au *Bistrot > Mazarine, *42 rue Mazarine, Paris 6?me Tel. 01 43 29 99 01 (m?tro St > Germain des Pr?s, Od?on, Mabillon) > > *Attention !* Le *Bistrot Mazarine *est au* 42 rue Mazarine et non 12 *comme > annonc? pr?c?demment. > > Deux anciens, *Alexander Dickow* (Fulb. am?ricain 2003) auteur de > ? Caramboles ? et *Sophie Maurer* (Fulb. 2003), auteur de ? Asthmes ? nous > proposent une *lecture po?tique et litt?raire. * > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Additionally, please take a moment to note some new, exciting information about the upcoming special tenth anniversary issue of VPR: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne@valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr@valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/vpr/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 6 10:22:49 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] More Poets on Audio Message-ID: <8CB84DA4CA10EFC-A30-22BD@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> http://www.umich.edu/NewsE/poemfeed.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, here's an analysis of how Robin pronounces the 5 words: 1) "merry" sound-alike words: "ferry" "cherry" "very" 2) "Mary" and 4) "hairy" sound-alike words: "fairy" "vary" [but "hairy" has a slightly longer first vowel sound than "Mary"] 3) "married" and 5) "Harry" sound-alike words: "carry" "tarry" [but "Harry" has a slightly shorter first-vowel sound than "married"] Finally, Robin hears all the final "y"s the same, as something between a short "i" and a short "e". I hear them all the same and as a long "e", as in "me" or "free". Two questions for you, Alan: 1) How do you hear east midlanders in the UK saying these words? 2) How do folk in Louisville ["LOW-uh-vill"] say them? I love this subject! Do any of you on this list say/hear the words differently? Best, Judy 2009/2/26 Alan C Golding > Merry Mary Married Hairy Harry > > Judy wrote: "I hear the same vowel sound in each word's first syllable, and > it sounds like 'air' or 'pear' or 'dare'. That's from a midwesterner, USA. > Do any of you USAmericans hear more than one sound? And are there any UK- > born and raised folk on NP besides Robin Hamilton?" > > My London-born and southeast-England-raised ear hears three different vowel > sounds: merry, mary/hairy, and married/harry. They're pretty audibly > different where I come from. But I can imagine hearing four from the aural > vantage-point of Glaswegian Scots: that is, I'm imagining, Robin, that you > hear the first syllable of "hairy" as different from that of "Mary?" > > Living in the U.S. South and learning from friends that "pen" and "pin," > "tar" and "tire" were treated as homophones when they (the friends, not the > pins) were in school was an utter jaw-dropper for me. Gobsmacked, I was. > > Now here's a question: does anyone hear differences among the final -y > sounds? > > Alan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090406/ba53aae8/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 6 18:08:13 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Allen Grossman wins 2009 Bollingen Message-ID: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Not sure when this was announced but I just noticed it... http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/bollingen/winner.html The judges also said: "A distinguished teacher of poetics and literature, Grossman has influenced three generations of American writers. He has characterized the lyric poet as an individual who, 'by means of this art, seeks to speak with the utmost seriousness about the totality of what he experiences,' and Grossman himself has been refreshingly restless in that pursuit. In Descartes' Loneliness, he achieves a precarious balance between an aspirational vision and close attention to the world at hand. The poems progress with comic flair, dramatic inquiry, and, at times, rage, through remembrance toward understanding. The figure they make is large and difficult, and the results are wholly singular. Carrying a weight that is rare in contemporary poetry, their music provides a deep-seated solace to their stark sentence." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090406/b1a7ac42/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Apr 6 18:19:37 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:26 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Allen Grossman wins 2009 Bollingen In-Reply-To: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org> By Allen Grossman Descartes' Loneliness (Meditation Three) Toward evening, the natural light becomes Intelligent and answers, without demur: /?Be assured! You are not alone. . . .?/ But in fact, toward evening, I am not Convinced there /is/ any other except myself To whom existence /necessarily/ pertains. I also interrogate myself to discover Whether I /myself/ possess any power By which I can bring it about that I, Who now am, shall exist another moment. Because I am mostly a thinking thing And because this precise question is Only from that thoughtful part of myself, If such a power did reside within me I should, I am sure, be conscious of it. . . . But I am conscious of no such power. And yet, if I myself cannot be The cause of that assurance, surely It is necessary to conclude that I am not alone in the world. There is some other who is the cause of that idea. But if, at last, no such other can be found toward evening, do I really have sufficient assurance of the existence or of any other being at all? For, after a most careful search, I have been unable to discover the /ground/ of that conviction ? unless it be imagined a lonely workman on a dizzy scaffold unfolds a sign at evening and puts his mark to it. jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Not sure when this was announced but I just noticed it... > > http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/bollingen/winner.html > > The judges also said: "A distinguished teacher of poetics and > literature, Grossman has influenced three generations of American > writers. He has characterized the lyric poet as an individual who, 'by > means of this art, seeks to speak with the utmost seriousness about > the totality of what he experiences,' and Grossman himself has been > refreshingly restless in that pursuit. In /Descartes' Loneliness/, he > achieves a precarious balance between an aspirational vision and close > attention to the world at hand. The poems progress with comic flair, > dramatic inquiry, and, at times, rage, through remembrance toward > understanding. The figure they make is large and difficult, and the > results are wholly singular. Carrying a weight that is rare in > contemporary poetry, their music provides a deep-seated solace to > their stark sentence." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show > tonight. Check out TourTracker.com > ! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 6 18:20:12 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mo Po Audio at Blue Flower Arts Message-ID: <8CB851CFCB2457A-774-3508@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> This literary agency site has a bunch of audio files... http://www.blueflowerarts.com/audio_gallery.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Outwardly His Life Ran Smoothly ? Comparative figures: 1784 Kant owned 550 books, Goethe 2300, Herder 7700. ? Windows: Kant had one bedroom window, which he kept shut at all times, to forestall insects. The windows of his study faced the garden, on the other side of which was the city jail. In summer loud choral singing of the inmates wafted in. Kant asked that the singing be done sotto voce and with windows closed. Kant had friends at city hall and got his wish. ? Tolstoy: Tolstoy thought that if Kant had not smoked so much tobacco The Critique of Pure Reason would have been written in language you could understand (in fact he smoked one pipe at 5 AM). ? Numbering: Kant never ate dinner alone, it exhausts the spirit. Dinner guests, in the opinion of the day, should not number more than the Muses nor less than the Graces. Kant set six places. ? Sensualism: Kant?s favorite dinner was codfish. ? Rule Your Nature: Kant breathed only through his nose. ? ? ? --Anne Carson Decreation (Random House, 2006) -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Allen Grossman wins 2009 Bollingen By Allen Grossman? ? Descartes' Loneliness? ? (Meditation Three)? ? Toward evening, the natural light be comes? Intelligent and answers, without demur:? /?Be assured! You are not alone. . . .?/? But in fact, toward evening, I am not? Convinced there /is/ any other except myself? To whom existence /necessarily/ pertains.? I also interrogate myself to discover? Whether I /myself/ possess any power? By which I can bring it about that I,? Who now am, shall exist another moment.? ? Because I am mostly a thinking thing? And because this precise question is? Only from that thoughtful part of myself,? If such a power did reside within me? I should, I am sure, be conscious of it. . . .? But I am conscious of no such power.? And yet, if I myself cannot be? The cause of that assurance, surely? It is necessary to conclude that? I am not alone in the world. There is? ? some other who is the cause of that idea.? But if, at last, no such other can be? found toward evening, do I really have? sufficient assurance of the existence? or of any other being at all? For,? after a most careful search, I have been? unable to discover the /ground/ of that? conviction ? unless it be imagined a lonely? workman on a dizzy scaffold unfolds? a sign at evening and puts his mark to it.? ? ? jforjames@aol.com wrote:? > Not sure when this was announced but I just noticed it...? >? > http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/bollingen/winner.html? >? > The judges also s aid: "A distinguished teacher of poetics and > literature, Grossman has influenced three generations of American > writers. He has characterized the lyric poet as an individual who, 'by > means of this art, seeks to speak with the utmost seriousness about > the totality of what he experiences,' and Grossman himself has been > refreshingly restless in that pursuit. In /Descartes' Loneliness/, he > achieves a precarious balance between an aspirational vision and close > attention to the world at hand. The poems progress with comic flair, > dramatic inquiry, and, at times, rage, through remembrance toward > understanding. The figure they make is large and difficult, and the > results are wholly singular. Carrying a weight that is rare in > contemporary poetry, their music provides a deep-seated solace to > their stark sentence."? >? = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The graces: "Aglaia (Splendor), Euphrosyne (Mirth), and Thalia (Good Cheer)." - somewhere on the internet. - Jim On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, wrote: > Tad's post, made me think of a poem I ran across recenlty by Anne > Carson.... > > *Outwardly His Life Ran Smoothly > > * > * * > Comparative figures: 1784 Kant owned 550 books, Goethe 2300, Herder 7700. > > Windows: Kant had one bedroom window, which he kept shut at all times, to > forestall > insects. The windows of his study faced the20garden, on the other side of > which was the > city jail. In summer loud choral singing of the inmates wafted in. Kant > asked that the > singing be done *sotto voce* and with windows closed. Kant had friends at > city hall and > got his wish. > > Tolstoy: Tolstoy thought that if Kant had not smoked so much tobacco *The > Critique of * > *Pure Reason* would have been written in language you could understand (in > fact he > smoked one pipe at 5 AM). > > Numbering: Kant never ate dinner alone, it exhausts the spirit. Dinner > guests, in the > opinion of the day, should not number more than the Muses nor less than the > Graces. > Kant set six places. > > Sensualism: Kant?s favorite dinner was codfish. > > Rule Your Nature: Kant breathed only through his nose. > > > > --Anne Carson > *Decreation* (Random House, 2006) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:19 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Allen Grossman wins 2009 Bollingen > > By Allen Grossman > > Descartes' Loneliness > > (Meditation Three) > > Toward e vening, the natural light becomes > Intelligent and answers, without demur: > /?Be assured! You are not alone. . . .?/ > But in fact, toward evening, I am not > Convinced there /is/ any other except myself > To whom existence /necessarily/ pertains. > I also interrogate myself to discover > Whether I /myself/ possess any power > By which I can bring it about that I, > Who now am, shall exist another moment. > > Because I am mostly a thinking thing > And because this precise question is > Only from that thoughtful part of myself, > If such a power did reside within me > I should, I am sure, be conscious of it. . . . > But I am conscious of no such power. > And yet, if I myself cannot be > The cause of that assurance, surely > It is necessary to conclude that > I am not alone in the world. There is > > some other who is the cause of that idea. > But if, at last, no such other can be > found toward evening, do I really have > sufficient assurance of the existence > or of any other being at all? For, > after a most careful search, I have been > unable to discover the /ground/ of that > conviction ? unless it be imagined a lonely > workman on a dizzy scaffold unfolds > a sign at evening and puts his mark to it. > > > jforjames@aol.com wrot e: > > Not sure when this was announced but I just noticed it... > > > > http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/bollingen/winner.html > > > > The judges also said: "A distinguished teacher of poetics and > > literature, Grossman has influenced three generations of American > writers. > He has characterized the lyric poet as an individual who, 'by > means of > this art, seeks to speak with the utmost seriousness about > the totality of > what he experiences,' and Grossman himself has been > refreshingly restless > in that pursuit. In /Descartes' Loneliness/, he > achieves a precarious > balance between an aspirational vision and close > attention to the world at > hand. The poems progress with comic flair, > dramatic inquiry, and, at > times, rage, through remembrance toward > understanding. The figure they > make is large and difficult, and the > results are wholly singular. Carrying > a weight that is rare in > contemporary poetry, their music provides a > deep-seated solace to > their stark sentence." > > > = > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/a09d5bbe/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 15:13:53 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duende, etc. Message-ID: "Bullfighting and jazz are two minor arts with much in common. At the beginning of the century they were national and special; and both depended on collective improvisation. In New Orleans, the trumpet, trombone, and clarinet improvised on a given melody; in Spain, the picador, banderillero, and matador improvised on the theme of a given fighting bull. Suddenly, in the 1920s, there arose in both countries a revolutionary performer who not only changed the course of the art he was practising but made it for the first time internationally renowned. In Spain, Juan Belmonte, and in America, Louis Armstrong. Outside their countries of origin, both were predictably reviled as harbingers of fiendish moral depravity. "In the 1930s commercialism takes over. We hear on one side that bullfighting has been ruined by the mechanical, crowd-pleasing efficiency of Domingo Ortega; and on the other that jazz has been killed by the popular triumphs of Benny Goodman. The first hints of resurrection appear in 1939; at Minton's, in Harlem, a nucleus of venturesome musicians inaugurates the modern movement in jazz; and in Spain, a lean young rebel named Manolete takes the *alternativa *and becomes a full matador. There follows, in both countries, a ferocious struggle between the supporters of modernism and the adherents to tradition. The arrival of the LP permits a favoured soloist to improvise for fifteen minutes without interruption; at the same time, bullfighters develop the habit of prolonging the *faena*--the series of passes that precedes the kill--until it becomes the focal point of the spectacle. Traditionalists love teamwork; modernists love soloists; and the battle in both countries remains unresolved for more than a decade. An armistice is ultimately achieved. In jazz as in bullfighting, there arises a modern classicist, one who combines the best of both worlds. In Spain, his name is Antonio Ord??ez, the *N?mero Uno* of living matadors. In America it is Miles Davis. "The Spanish have a word, *duende*. It has no exact English equivalent, but it denotes the quality without which no flamenco singer or bullfighter can conquer the summit of his art. The ability to transmit a profoundly felt emotion to an audience of strangers with the minimum of fuss and the maximum of restraint: that is as near as our language can get to the full meaning of *duende*. Laurence Olivier has it; Maurice Evans does not. Billie Holiday had it, and so did Bessie Smith; but Ella Fitzgerald never reached it. It is the quality that differentiates Laurette Taylor from Lynn Fontanne, Ernest Hemingway from John O'Hara, Tennessee Williams from William Inge. Whatever else he may lack, Miles Davis has *duende."* --Kenneth Tynan, c. 1963 Hal "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/1ebb027f/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 18:25:53 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duende, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0904071525j28ec14c2hd8a0d641fc0bd181@mail.gmail.com> Hal, Do you know the source of this quote? Is it an article or book? I'd like to track it down. Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > "Bullfighting and jazz are two minor arts with much in common. At the > beginning > of the century they were national and special; and both depended on > collective > improvisation. In New Orleans, the trumpet, trombone, and clarinet > improvised > on a given melody; in Spain, the picador, banderillero, and matador > improvised > on the theme of a given fighting bull. Suddenly, in the 1920s, there arose > in both > countries a revolutionary performer who not only changed the course of the > art > he was practising but made it for the first time internationally renowned. > In Spain, > Juan Belmonte, and in America, Louis Armstrong. Outside their countries of > origin, both were predictably reviled as harbingers of fiendish moral > depravity. > > "In the 1930s commercialism takes over. We hear on one side that > bullfighting > has been ruined by the mechanical, crowd-pleasing efficiency of Domingo > Ortega; and on the other that jazz has been killed by the popular triumphs > of > Benny Goodman. The first hints of resurrection appear in 1939; at Minton's, > in Harlem, a nucleus of venturesome musicians inaugurates the modern > movement > in jazz; and in Spain, a lean young rebel named Manolete takes the *alternativa > *and > becomes a full matador. There follows, in both countries, a ferocious > struggle > between the supporters of modernism and the adherents to tradition. The > arrival > of the LP permits a favoured soloist to improvise for fifteen minutes > without > interruption; at the same time, bullfighters develop the habit of > prolonging the > *faena*--the series of passes that precedes the kill--until it becomes the > focal point > of the spectacle. Traditionalists love teamwork; modernists love soloists; > and > the battle in both countries remains unresolved for more than a decade. An > > armistice is ultimately achieved. In jazz as in bullfighting, there arises > a modern > classicist, one who combines the best of both worlds. In Spain, his name > is > Antonio Ord??ez, the *N?mero Uno* of living matadors. In America it is > Miles Davis. > > "The Spanish have a word, *duende*. It has no exact English equivalent, > but > it denotes the quality without which no flamenco singer or bullfighter can > conquer the summit of his art. The ability to transmit a profoundly felt > emotion > to an audience of strangers with the minimum of fuss and the maximum of > restraint: that is as near as our language can get to the full meaning of > *duende*. Laurence Olivier has it; Maurice Evans does not. Billie Holiday > had > it, and so did Bessie Smith; but Ella Fitzgerald never reached it. It is > the > quality that differentiates Laurette Taylor from Lynn Fontanne, Ernest > Hemingway from John O'Hara, Tennessee Williams from William Inge. > Whatever else he may lack, Miles Davis has *duende."* > > --Kenneth Tynan, c. 1963 > > > > Hal > > "Never underestimate the power of stupid > people in large groups." > --George Carlin > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. 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Hal "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, wrote: > http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/28526 > > McClatchy described poetry as a ?slow food.? > > ?Life is cut up into fast *food > * bits that are taken in and barely chewed or swallowed,? he said. > ?[Poetry] is meant to complicate things, to slow the life down, not speed it > up.? > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/af4dd001/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 7 19:30:22 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] slow food In-Reply-To: References: <8CB85EE4550FAE4-1048-E67@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB85EFF4E10EEF-1048-F1A@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> I thought escargot but what do I know. -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] slow food Sort of like constipation, I guess. Hal "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?--George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, wrote: http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/28526 McClatchy described poetry as a ?slow food.? ? ?Life is cut up into fast food bits that are taken in and barely chewed or swallowed,? he said. ?[Poetry] is meant to complicate things, to slow the life down, not speed it up.? Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/80e38d3b/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Apr 7 21:33:19 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:27 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duende, etc. Message-ID: Come on Jeff. Comps are over. Time to read every word Tynan ever wrote. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/499fec4f/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 7 22:21:48 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut Message-ID: <8CB8607E7D23702-1200-13FC@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> http://www.bookslut.com/marsupial_inquirer/2009_04_014323.php Her claim for Clark pays homage to his seminal influence on the poetics of the 1970s, and she finds in him ?one of the great poet/ painters of California and the American West? for whom ?the truest beauty of all turns out to be that of form.? The attention to form remains evident his most recent book of selected poems, Light & Shade. Clark plays over his linguistic surfaces with great skill, tempting a reader to engage the poem's facade, but beneath this many forces are at work that render greater depth. Because he is a master lyricist we are often left by poem?s end apprehending a process that leaves us hanging in the air, with no great certainty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090407/96351dae/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 06:58:17 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duende, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0904080358r76621068x14dc13426c518fe2@mail.gmail.com> I'm actually reading and writing a review of some poet's book whose name I forget, some dude from North or South Carolina. . . Hee-hee. You're right, though; there's a sickness associated with comps. Every time I read a poem or essay that's halfway interesting, I have this insane urge to track down at LEAST three books by the author. Best, Jeff Newberry On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, wrote: > Come on Jeff. Comps are over. Time to read every word Tynan ever wrote. > > ------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/48bcbe5d/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 07:43:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duende, etc. In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904080358r76621068x14dc13426c518fe2@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904080358r76621068x14dc13426c518fe2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904080443n38725842te404bf6a2d5c7b76@mail.gmail.com> :-( unluckily also somewhere around here similar misfortunes happen_ I will try to recover... On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I'm actually reading and writing a review of some poet's book whose name I > forget, some dude from North or South Carolina. . . > > Hee-hee. > > You're right, though; there's a sickness associated with comps. Every time > I read a poem or essay that's halfway interesting, I have this insane urge > to track down at LEAST three books by the author. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, wrote: > >> Come on Jeff. Comps are over. Time to read every word Tynan ever wrote. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/a8c2e916/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 09:44:06 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Something of mine here this ayem Message-ID: http://hitandrunmagazine.blogspot.com/ Hal "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/78aaecae/attachment.html From lattaj at umich.edu Wed Apr 8 10:06:49 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut In-Reply-To: <8CB8607E7D23702-1200-13FC@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB8607E7D23702-1200-13FC@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just a note. Dale Smith (of the Marsupial Inquirer column at Bookslut) is a _he_--a fine poet, too, and editor, with Hoa Nguyen, of Skanky Possum books (and erstwhile magazine). He blogs here: http://possumego.blogspot.com/ Tom Clark blogs here: http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/ On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.bookslut.com/marsupial_inquirer/2009_04_014323.php > > Her claim for Clark pays homage to his seminal influence on the poetics of the 1970s, and she finds in him “one of the great poet/ painters of California and the American West” for whom “the truest beauty of all turns out to be that of form.” > > > The attention to form remains evident his most recent book of selected poems, Light & Shade. Clark plays over his linguistic surfaces with great skill, tempting a reader to engage the poem's facade, but beneath this many forces are at work that render greater depth. Because he is a master lyricist we are often left by poem’s end apprehending a process that leaves us hanging in the air, with no great certainty. > > > From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:19:42 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] poems about biblical plagues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904080719y72c3f8d1ud40d81b03d4da376@mail.gmail.com> If you wish there is my entire *Apocalypse* online. *From the Book of Revelations or the Apocalypse by Saint John the Divine: http://lowres.uno.edu/classes/poetryworkshop/07spring/anny/poemsballardinianny.html I doubt strongly that it will do. Just in case he will have to scroll down to find it. * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:16 AM, wrote: > A friend asked me for poems about Biblical plagues. He has to read > something at a Passover seder. Any ideas out there? > > ------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/9d6a384b/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 8 10:26:32 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut In-Reply-To: References: <8CB8607E7D23702-1200-13FC@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB866D264F6F5D-1118-2966@WEBMAIL-DZ23.sysops.aol.com> The 'Her' is Elaine Equi, also a fine poet, quoted from the Bookslut piece. -----Original Message----- From: John Latta Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:06 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut Just a note. Dale Smith (of the Marsupial Inquirer column at Bookslut) is a _he_--a fine poet, too, and editor, with Hoa Nguyen, of Skanky Possum books (and erstwhile magazine). He blogs here:? ? http://possumego.blogspot.com/? ? Tom Clark blogs here:? ? http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/? ? On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, jforjames@aol.com wrote:? ? >? > http://www.bookslut.com/marsupial_inquirer/2009_04_014323.php? >? > Her claim for Clark pays homage to his seminal influence on the poetics of the 1970s, and she finds in him ???one of the great poet/ painters of California and the American West??? for whom ???the truest beauty of all turns out to be that of form.???? >? >? > The attention to form remains evident his most recent book of selected poems, Light & Shade. Clark plays over his linguistic surfaces with great skill, tempting a reader to engage the poem's facade, but beneath this many forces are at work that render greater depth. Because he is a master lyricist we are often left by poem???s end apprehending a process that leaves us hanging in the air, with no great certainty.? >? >? >? _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poet ry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/3286ee37/attachment.html From lattaj at umich.edu Wed Apr 8 10:33:43 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut In-Reply-To: <8CB866D264F6F5D-1118-2966@WEBMAIL-DZ23.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB8607E7D23702-1200-13FC@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> <8CB866D264F6F5D-1118-2966@WEBMAIL-DZ23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: James, Geez, sorry. Not normally so rash. Printed Dale's piece out yesterday and haven't read it yet. You know what they say: context, context, context. John On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > The 'Her' is Elaine Equi, also a fine poet, quoted from the Bookslut piece. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Latta > Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:06 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tom Clark on BookSlut > > > Just a note. Dale Smith (of the Marsupial Inquirer column at Bookslut) is a _he_--a fine poet, too, and editor, with Hoa Nguyen, of Skanky Possum books (and erstwhile magazine). He blogs here:  >   > http://possumego.blogspot.com/  >   > Tom Clark blogs here:  >   > http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/  >   > On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, jforjames@aol.com wrote:  >   >>   >> http://www.bookslut.com/marsupial_inquirer/2009_04_014323.php  >>   >> Her claim for Clark pays homage to his seminal influence on the poetics of the 1970s, and she finds in him “one of the great poet/ painters of California and the American West” for whom “the truest beauty of all turns out to be that of form.”  >>   >>   >> The attention to form remains evident his most recent book of selected poems, Light & Shade. Clark plays over his linguistic surfaces with great skill, tempting a reader to engage the poem's facade, but beneath this many forces are at work that render greater depth. Because he is a master lyricist we are often left by poem’s end apprehending a process that leaves us hanging in the air, with no great certainty.  >>   >>   >>   > > > > _______________________________________________ > ew-Poetry mailing list > ew-Poet > ry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 8 14:20:19 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaney among the artists Message-ID: <8CB868DCF047E8D-DA0-D27@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=30121? An exhibition presenting an extensive display of books on which Nobel Laureate Seamus Heaney collaborated with a wide cross section of leading artists opens to the public at the Irish Museum of Modern Art on Tuesday 14 April 2009. Artists/Heaney/Books: An Exhibition is being shown to coincide with the celebration of Seamus Heaney?s 70th birthday on 13 April, and is presented in association with the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism and RT?. Throughout his career Heaney has developed friendships and collaborated on imagery with a variety of artists, including Barrie Cooke, Felim Egan, Barry Flanagan, T.P. Flanagan, Martin Gale, Cecil King, Sol LeWitt, Hughie O?Donoghue and many others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Earth: Last Poems and an Essay Robert Creeley Now Available in Paperback ?On Earth provides a kind of closure on a rich poetic life and brings us intimately in contact with the poet?s final thoughts on the great themes of time and memory. Those of us who know Creeley may well repeat Whitman?s lines in reading this volume: 'Good-bye my Fancy!/Farewell dear mate, dear love!'"?Michael Davidson Read More... 104 pages, 4-1/2 x 7" Literature/Poetry paper?? 978-0-520-25990-4?? $14.95 UC Press is concerned about your privacy. We do not rent, sell or exchange email addresses. ?2009 UC Press. All rights reserved. University of California Press, 2120 Berkeley Way, Berkeley, CA 94704-1012 You are subscribed using the following email address: jforjames@aol.com. If you wish to change yo ur selections or unsubscribe altogether, click below. :: Tailor your profile settings... :: Forward this to a friend... :: To be removed, use this one-click unsubscribe link... :: Not yet signed up? Go here... :: View our privacy policy... TailoredMail is a leading email & RSS broadcasting service helping organizations create highly tailored and relevant communications. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/cdc9b56f/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 8 16:26:10 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:28 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket Message-ID: <8CB869F63C98FB4-D48-57EF@webmail-dh23.sysops.aol.com> Tear out & go... http://www.abramsbooks.com/Books/Poem_in_Your_Pocket-9780810906365.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/finalword/2009-04-07-final-word_N.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/cd3edbed/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 8 20:15:32 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mary Cummings' Dad on TV Message-ID: <8CB86BF6EA3E3FA-198-1CCE@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> Hi Cary, the other morning I was doing exercises and watching the business channel program Squawk Box, and who did I recognize but Kevin Cummings... http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1085525228&play=1 See you on Saturday. Love, Dad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/7ba7ef74/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 8 20:40:21 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] ED marathon Message-ID: <8CB86C2E5CE1D38-198-1DD3@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> http://www.edmarathonreading.org/index-2.html ?April 11, as part of National Poetry Month, the University at Buffalo Department of English is sponsoring a marathon community reading of all 1789 of Emily Dickinson?s poems beginning with the early valentine ?Awake ye muses nine? and ending with an undated reflection on the ?magical frontier? between beauty and death, or pleasure and sorrow, which begins ?The saddest noise, the sweetest noise? and ends with the stanza: An ear can break a human heart As quickly as a spear. We wish the ear had not a heart So dangerously? near. Come join us in reading all 1789 of Dickinson's poems 1:00-1:30, Unitarian Universalist Choir will perform Leo Smit settings of selected poems! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090408/1c7fcf3e/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 05:16:48 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] ED marathon In-Reply-To: <8CB86C2E5CE1D38-198-1DD3@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB86C2E5CE1D38-198-1DD3@webmail-mh26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904090216m23db9539k60be82d17fb6d458@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I would love to be there. That would probably be the only Marathon I could ever do... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:40 AM, wrote: > http://www.edmarathonreading.org/index-2.html > > April 11, as part of National Poetry Month, the University at Buffalo > Department of English is sponsoring a marathon community reading of all 1789 > of Emily Dickinson?s poems beginning with the early valentine ?Awake ye > muses nine? and ending with an undated reflection on the ?magical frontier? > between beauty and death, or pleasure and sorrow, which begins ?The saddest > noise, the sweetest noise? and ends with the stanza: > > An ear can break a human heart > As quickly as a spear. > We wish the ear had not a heart > So dangerously near. > > Come join us in reading all 1789 of Dickinson's poems 1:00-1:30, > Unitarian Universalist Choir will perform Leo Smit settings of selected > poems! > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/8ef1cfc0/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 05:20:59 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket In-Reply-To: <8CB869F63C98FB4-D48-57EF@webmail-dh23.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB869F63C98FB4-D48-57EF@webmail-dh23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904090220w4688e951qb737a2fc2902a1fd@mail.gmail.com> This is undoubtedly and truly American. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:26 PM, wrote: > Tear out & go... > > http://www.abramsbooks.com/Books/Poem_in_Your_Pocket-9780810906365.html > > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/finalword/2009-04-07-final-word_N.htm > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/faaf2802/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 12:40:21 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:29 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <648208b60904090932v1e3df4d8pe1b8bd55a9b93210@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60904090932v1e3df4d8pe1b8bd55a9b93210@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I kind of favor the Mexican stomach turn myself. Hal "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > "the leap" is the telemark of turns. > - Jim > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > >> Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... >> >> http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ >> >> What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? >> Finnegan >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. >> Check out TourTracker.com >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bly in his dregs.) -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of James Cervantes Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog "the leap" is the telemark of turns. - Jim On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? Finnegan _____ Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The clang or the trolley? -- Jim ("Clang, clang, clang went the trolley" - Judy Garland) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/837d8038/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Apr 9 14:18:09 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <648208b60904091058g650dacc5r8b87882427a74ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <746A85829A1E493B954D609E280F873F@win.louisiana.edu> Which came first? The clang or the trolley? -- Jim The troll or the clan? The roll or the lang? The "ol'" or the "an"? The "o" or the "a"? The syllable or the alphabet or the sound or the word? Happy Easter. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of James Cervantes Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:58 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: jforjames@aol.com wrote: Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? Finnegan _____ It became the clang. --Bob Which came first? The clang or the trolley? -- Jim ("Clang, clang, clang went the trolley" - Judy Garland) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog "the leap" is the telemark of turns. - Jim On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? Finnegan Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, wrote: > I'm sure Anny knows this, but there's a great term for a death-defying leap > in Italian, and it's often applied to artists who have taken a great risk > with certain piece: 'salto mortale'. > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:32 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog > > "the leap" is the telemark of turns. > - Jim > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > >> Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... >> >> http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ >> >> What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? >> Finnegan >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. >> Check out TourTracker.com >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/98a7dfed/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:34:05 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60904090932v1e3df4d8pe1b8bd55a9b93210@mail.gmail.com> <8CB875791B0DF99-ED0-C52@webmail-mh27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60904091134y4138ef70mb96beafcd1594973@mail.gmail.com> But not "the little death." - Jim On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Closely related to the "dying fall"? > > Hal > > "There is poetry in everything. That > is the biggest argument against poetry." > --Miroslav Holub > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, wrote: > >> I'm sure Anny knows this, but there's a great term for a death-defying >> leap in Italian, and it's often applied to artists who have taken a great >> risk with certain piece: 'salto mortale'. >> >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Cervantes >> Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:32 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog >> >> "the leap" is the telemark of turns. >> - Jim >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: >> >>> Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... >>> >>> http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? >>> Finnegan >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show >>> tonight. Check out TourTracker.com >>> ! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. >> Check out TourTracker.com >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:24 PM, wrote: > I'm sure Anny knows this, but there's a great term for a death-defying leap > in Italian, and it's often applied to artists who have taken a great risk > with certain piece: 'salto mortale'. > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cervantes > Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:32 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog > > "the leap" is the telemark of turns. > - Jim > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > >> Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... >> >> http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ >> >> What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? >> Finnegan >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. >> Check out TourTracker.com >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll have to get > the DVD at some points and have a pencil handy... > > > http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/philip-glass/glass-a-portrait-of-philip-glass-in-twelve-parts/1125/ > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/4a149e56/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Thu Apr 9 16:00:29 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> I'm new to the list, so I might as well behave true to form. There must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like Glass' stuff, but I haven't met any. God knows I tried myself. I sat through Einstein, Satyagraha, The Photographer, and I think one other, in the theater, and I listened to a bunch else at home. It was torture, and also, for me, often morally repugnant. Satyagraha, for instance, takes melodies that Puccini could have spun out by the bushel and repeats them to death. That seems to be the general approach--sample a style and repeat, with tiny variations. It's not quite plagiarism. Travesty might be closer. Some of his ensemble have let slip to musician friends of mine that they really hate the music, but hey, it's a gig. Which may tell us something about the music's future. Musicians have the biggest say about what gets performed, which means that once Glass isn't around it probably won't be. Anyone's free to disagree, natch. Taste is taste. Mark At 03:31 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: >I sure some of you watched this last night. I enjoyed it very >much...too bad I can't remember various quotes I wanted to write >down. I'll have to get the DVD at some points and have a pencil handy... > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/philip-glass/glass-a-portrait-of-philip-glass-in-twelve-parts/1125/ > >---------- >Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show >tonight. >Check out >TourTracker.com! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 9 17:46:25 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:30 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosopy poems In-Reply-To: <8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com><49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org> <8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> Wittgenstein?s Cottage I said it would be dark, and he said he hated daylight. I said it would be lonely, and he said he prostituted his mind talking to intelligent people. I said he was mad, and he said God preserve him from sanity. ?--Bertrand Russell (recounting a conversation with LW) The sea is all black when it is not grey. The fireplace, a kind of clock burning the days. A sheaf of papers left on a wooden table. The tabletop scarred from many fish having been gutted on its surface,? and the?tea gone cold. Wind comes through a door left open by the man in residence who went out on a walk away from the sea. It torments him with its constancy of tide and wave. He tears through a thicket to escape the grating sound of water against sand. The papers begin to blow about the room. By the time he gets back from his walk, bloodied by briars, clotted marks on his forehead, the papers are the only light left in the room. He stoops to pick them up, carefully, as though their order mattered. -----Original Message----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:00 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosopy poems Tad's post, made me think of a poem I ran across recenlty?by Anne Carson.... Outwardly His Life Ran Smoothly ? Comparative figures: 1784 Kant owned 550 books, Goethe 2300, Herder 7700. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090409/c139a992/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 05:06:22 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: <49DE6967.305@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> <49DE6967.305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904100206h22e912c7k16dbfb5450aec67c@mail.gmail.com> Mark Weiss is sending out the following announcement: UC Press, publisher of my forthcoming Cuban Poetry anthology with my congratulations, and I am sure it is an exceptional Anthology. I have on the Corner the following by Mark: Jose' Lezama LIma http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=18 and Jose' Kozer: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=19 This does not mean that his tone was something. I am a very keen listener of classical music and I can appreciate Glass, as much as the Rolling Stones. And on Glass' wave Ludovico Einaudi broadcast by KDFC (online classical radio) and invited by them to perform in San Francisco. This said I do not want to enter any diatribe on classical music. Thanks. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I feel musically backward because appreciation of Glass is as far as I've > gotten as a classical-music lover. His Beauty and the Beast seems to me > almost conventional. Don't see how anyone like Richard Strauss or > Shostakovich would not like it. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/d8ee44dd/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 10 09:40:45 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CB87F915A9A4A9-CB8-21D0@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Mark, I'm no expert in 'classical music'. But that rubric may be part of the problem when it comes to classifying Glass. He's really a sound artist as much as anything else. As shown in the American?Masters program, very hard-working and dedicated to his art making, whether one likes it or not. And from an early age he had the intensity and drive to carry out his 'aural vision', so to speak. The opening quote from him is something like (paraphrase)?I've never been concerned with the criticism of my work. However, many film directors, theatre and dance ensemble directors?have been attracted by his work, and to collaborating with him,?so I wouldn't bet that musicians will get the last word and his legacy. ?Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series I'm new to the list, so I might as well behave true to form. There must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like Glass' stuff, but I haven't met any. God knows I tried myself. I sat through Einstein, Satyagraha, The Photographer, and I think one other, in the theater, and I listened to a bunch else at home. It was torture, and also, for me, often morally repugnant. Satyagraha, for instance, takes melodies that Puccini could have spun out by the bushel and repeats them to death. That seems to be the general approach--sample a style and repeat, with tiny variations. It's not quite plagiarism. Travesty might be closer. Some of his ensemble have let slip to musician friends of mine that they really hate the music, but hey, it's a gig. Which may tell us something about the music's future. Musicians have the biggest say about what gets performed, which means that once Glass isn't around it probably won't be. Anyone's free to disagree, natch. Taste is taste. Mark At 03:31 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: I sure some of you watched this last night. I enjoyed it very much...too bad I can't remember various quotes I wanted to write down. I'll have to get the DVD at some points and have a pencil handy... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/philip-glass/glass-a-portrait-of-philip-glass-in-twelve-parts/1125/ Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/f5287981/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 10 10:16:00 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems In-Reply-To: <8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com><49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org><8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> <8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Last five stanzas from "To an Old Philosopher in Rome" by Wallace Stevens And you - it is you that speak it, without speech, The loftiest syllable among loftiest things, The one invulnerable man among Crude captains, the naked majesty, if you like, Of bird-nest arches and of rain-stained-vaults. The sounds drift in. The buildings are remembered. The life of the city never lets go, nor do you Ever want it to. It is part of the life in your room. Its domes are the architecture of your bed. The bells keep on repeating solemn names In choruses and choirs of choruses, Unwilling that mercy should be a mystery Of silence, that any solitude of sense Should give you more than their peculiar chords And reverbations clinging to whisper still. It is a kind of total grandeur at the end, With every visible thing enlarged and yet No more than a bed, a chair and moving nuns, The immensest theatre, and pillared porch, The book and candle in your ambered room, Total grandeur of a total edifice, Chosen by an inquisitor of structures For himself. He stops upon this threshold, As if the design of all his words takes form And frame from thinking and is realized.? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/0445bab0/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Fri Apr 10 10:37:37 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: <8CB87F915A9A4A9-CB8-21D0@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> <8CB87F915A9A4A9-CB8-21D0@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090410100640.06ff6e08@earthlink.net> This may be true. His film music is I think more convincing. You raise, I think, a larger, less-contentious issue. (Put aside issues of taste--nobody's forcing me to listen to Glass,anyway.) Satyagraha is an opera, and it will only be performed as long as singers want to learn the roles and conductors want to conduct the score. Nobody goes to a James Levine and says "hey, give several months to staging and performing x, which you hate--I think we can fill the theater." My guess is that it will survive in recordings and very rare performances. The Photographer and Einstein are called operas, but the music is something like what used to be called "incidental music." Some very great composers have written incidental music, but it's rarely performed unless the composer has recycled it into a suite. It's really site-and-time specific, and you're right that the criteria are different. What happens to site-specific work in the absence of the artist? Some installations get trotted out once in a while. Most are only to be seen in photographs or films. The work of a handful of choreographers is revived after their deaths. Once it falls out of the repertoire of a company or the company folds the tradition is broken, and restaging, even with film evidence, becomes conjectural. Of the decorations for theater or ceremonial occasions or public celebrations on which the old masters spent much of their time we rarely have more than descriptions. The same is true for performance poetry. Even when recorded or filmed it tends to lose much of its punch is the absence of the live performer. It's art that's meant to be ephemeral and almost always was before photography and sound recording. I really have no opinion about this. I think it's interesting to think about. Mark At 09:40 AM 4/10/2009, you wrote: >Mark, >I'm no expert in 'classical music'. But that rubric may be part of >the problem when it comes to classifying Glass. He's really a sound >artist as much as anything else. As shown in the American Masters >program, very hard-working and dedicated to his art making, whether >one likes it or not. And from an early age he had the intensity and >drive to carry out his 'aural vision', so to speak. The opening >quote from him is something like (paraphrase) I've never been >concerned with the criticism of my work. However, many film >directors, theatre and dance ensemble directors have been attracted >by his work, and to collaborating with him, so I wouldn't bet that >musicians will get the last word and his legacy. > Finnegan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 4:00 pm >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series > >I'm new to the list, so I might as well behave true to form. There >must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like Glass' >stuff, but I haven't met any. God knows I tried myself. I sat >through Einstein, Satyagraha, The Photographer, and I think one >other, in the theater, and I listened to a bunch else at home. It >was torture, and also, for me, often morally repugnant. Satyagraha, >for instance, takes melodies that Puccini could have spun out by the >bushel and repeats them to death. That seems to be the general >approach--sample a style and repeat, with tiny variations. It's not >quite plagiarism. Travesty might be closer. > >Some of his ensemble have let slip to musician friends of mine that >they really hate the music, but hey, it's a gig. Which may tell us >something about the music's future. Musicians have the biggest say >about what gets performed, which means that once Glass isn't around >it probably won't be. > >Anyone's free to disagree, natch. Taste is taste. > >Mark > >At 03:31 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: >>I sure some of you watched this last night. I enjoyed it very >>much...too bad I can't remember various quotes I wanted to write >>down. I'll have to get the DVD at some points and have a pencil >>handy... >> >> >>http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/philip-glass/glass-a-portrait-of-philip-glass-in-twelve-parts/1125/ >> >> >>---------- >>Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show >>tonight. >>Check out >>TourTracker.com! >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > >---------- >Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show >tonight. >Check out >TourTracker.com! >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/1b2a0b71/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 11:49:55 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hmm, you've met me, Mark, and I've sat through Music in Twelve Parts twice now, and would do so again, with pleasure. Hal, the unknowledgeable "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > There must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like Glass' > stuff, but I haven't met any. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/71177196/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Fri Apr 10 12:39:33 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series In-Reply-To: References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090410123847.00ec0a50@earthlink.net> Ah yes, but you're one of a kind. And maybe I'm given to intemperate statements. At 11:49 AM 4/10/2009, you wrote: >Hmm, you've met me, Mark, and I've sat through Music in Twelve Parts >twice now, >and would do so again, with pleasure. > >Hal, the unknowledgeable > >"There is poetry in everything. That >is the biggest argument against poetry." > --Miroslav Holub > >Halvard Johnson >================ >halvard@gmail.com >http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > >On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Weiss ><junction@earthlink.net> wrote: >There must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like >Glass' stuff, but I haven't met any. > > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/729df456/attachment.html From gejs1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Apr 10 13:19:55 2009 From: gejs1 at rochester.rr.com (Gerald Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series References: <8CB8760DE633ACF-13B8-D96@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com><7.0.1.0.1.20090409155113.070409c0@earthlink.net><8CB87F915A9A4A9-CB8-21D0@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090410100640.06ff6e08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I took it that Glass's work, being enriched by his practice of Buddhism, is not at all at odds with being ephemeral. Quite enfolded within it in fact. And, as with his former employer, John Lennon's work, it merges with us once again in a kind of digital ressurection. But, moreover, as all composers and their works are, they are accompanied by the moment's "title-page" and all our other material, which binds the work, creating OUR VALUBLE INDEX. Much of Glass's work (as is so also with Subotnick, Crumb, R. Murray Schaefer and on and on...) is among the best in our "entire series". Gerald Schwartz This may be true. His film music is I think more convincing. You raise, I think, a larger, less-contentious issue. (Put aside issues of taste--nobody's forcing me to listen to Glass,anyway.) Satyagraha is an opera, and it will only be performed as long as singers want to learn the roles and conductors want to conduct the score. Nobody goes to a James Levine and says "hey, give several months to staging and performing x, which you hate--I think we can fill the theater." My guess is that it will survive in recordings and very rare performances. The Photographer and Einstein are called operas, but the music is something like what used to be called "incidental music." Some very great composers have written incidental music, but it's rarely performed unless the composer has recycled it into a suite. It's really site-and-time specific, and you're right that the criteria are different. What happens to site-specific work in the absence of the artist? Some installations get trotted out once in a while. Most are only to be seen in photographs or films. The work of a handful of choreographers is revived after their deaths. Once it falls out of the repertoire of a company or the company folds the tradition is broken, and restaging, even with film evidence, becomes conjectural. Of the decorations for theater or ceremonial occasions or public celebrations on which the old masters spent much of their time we rarely have more than descriptions. The same is true for performance poetry. Even when recorded or filmed it tends to lose much of its punch is the absence of the live performer. It's art that's meant to be ephemeral and almost always was before photography and sound recording. I really have no opinion about this. I think it's interesting to think about. Mark At 09:40 AM 4/10/2009, you wrote: Mark, I'm no expert in 'classical music'. But that rubric may be part of the problem when it comes to classifying Glass. He's really a sound artist as much as anything else. As shown in the American Masters program, very hard-working and dedicated to his art making, whether one likes it or not. And from an early age he had the intensity and drive to carry out his 'aural vision', so to speak. The opening quote from him is something like (paraphrase) I've never been concerned with the criticism of my work. However, many film directors, theatre and dance ensemble directors have been attracted by his work, and to collaborating with him, so I wouldn't bet that musicians will get the last word and his legacy. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Glass: American Masters series I'm new to the list, so I might as well behave true to form. There must be some knowledgeable lovers of classical music who like Glass' stuff, but I haven't met any. God knows I tried myself. I sat through Einstein, Satyagraha, The Photographer, and I think one other, in the theater, and I listened to a bunch else at home. It was torture, and also, for me, often morally repugnant. Satyagraha, for instance, takes melodies that Puccini could have spun out by the bushel and repeats them to death. That seems to be the general approach--sample a style and repeat, with tiny variations. It's not quite plagiarism. Travesty might be closer. Some of his ensemble have let slip to musician friends of mine that they really hate the music, but hey, it's a gig. Which may tell us something about the music's future. Musicians have the biggest say about what gets performed, which means that once Glass isn't around it probably won't be. Anyone's free to disagree, natch. Taste is taste. Mark At 03:31 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: I sure some of you watched this last night. I enjoyed it very much...too bad I can't remember various quotes I wanted to write down. I'll have to get the DVD at some points and have a pencil handy... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/philip-glass/glass-a-portrait-of-philip-glass-in-twelve-parts/1125/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/b9c7eb2e/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Fri Apr 10 13:31:27 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems In-Reply-To: <8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com><49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org><8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com><8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> <8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB881950122918-E04-2BF1@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2009/04/9-x-heidegger-by-alina-gregorian.html 9 x Heidegger There used to be nine planets. There used to be a sun on top of the galaxy that played Chopin on a tiny violin. The astronaut said it was sad. 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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM, wrote: > > http://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2009/04/9-x-heidegger-by-alina-gregorian.html > > 9 x Heidegger > > > There used to be nine planets. > There used to be a sun on top of the galaxy > that played Chopin on a tiny violin. > The astronaut said it was sad. > The moon used to say hello > twelve minutes before the light of dawn > The being of this being > was trusted to be alone. > > -- Alina Gregorian > > - > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It sinks; and I am ready to depart. ?Walter Savage Landor -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090410/3c7ec7ef/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 08:12:04 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:31 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Facebook Poets Message-ID: <731bb17a0904110512p5a9f477bue81d66c72b7c96a6@mail.gmail.com> The market for new poetry is small; it is not bought and sold like modern art, or hankered after by the very wealthy. In fact, if you consider poetry by brutal commercial rules, it is a miracle it exists at all. Yet not only does poetry exist, it is flourishing ? and not just among the grand old oaks of literary society, but in the grassroots of bohemia. New, young writers are using poetry to break rules and free themselves creatively. [...] More recently, Facebook has made it joyfully easy for young poets, typically shy of announcing their poetic proclivities to anyone, to find each other. http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/poetry/article6044758.ece Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090411/2a8e8783/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Apr 11 11:12:14 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> This appears to be a wonderful web site: thanks for flagging it. I've been meaning to get ahold of the associated book (*Structure & Surprise: Engaging Poetic Turns*) for a while now. So far I've only browsed a bit on the blog, but Michael Theune looks to be hitting the right notes, from my vantage point. I very much like his essay on "The Structure-Form Disctinction," for instance, and note that he alludes to Ellen Bryant Voigt's wonderful essay "The Flexible Lyric," in her book of the same title--one of the best books on poetry I've read in the last decade. I suppose that "the leap" would be one sub-category of Turn, in Theune's taxonomy. What's valuable about what he's up to is in creating a category for a crucial element of poetry (structural as opposed to formal) that's been lacking a convenient label, and thus is often neglected or misunderstood. As I understand it so far, the Turn is not a single poetic move but a constellation of possible structural moves. Thus, for example, the sonnet's volta is only one brand of Turn. In my own teaching I've usually described such turns as aspects of a poem's dramatic shape. (Every good poem's good to the degree it's dramatic, said Frost.) It's always seemed to me that the lyric equivalent of tension or conflict in fiction (with associated resolution) is what Theune calls the Turn. Since lyrics don't require narrative but do require some shapeliness, I've been looking for some handy way of describing the lyric equivalent to a story's conflict/crisis/resolution. In order to create a satisfying closure, and indeed a sense of poem- ness, poets instinctively reach for dramatic reversals, shifts of scale (now/then; big/small; ordinary/profound; etc.), irony & paradox. and so forth. It seems notable that such moves are not imposed from some higher authority, but are instinctive. They're what most readers want and expect; we're not just fiddling with terminology here, then, but tapping into something primal about poetics. So as I understand things, Theune is looking for a way to make such primal intutions explicit, and thus helpful both pedagogically and critically. Here's an excerpt from Theune's essay in which he's discussing the value of taxonomy (Bob G please note!)-- "One of the main reasons we don?t acknowledge the ubiquitous turn as fully as we should is the simple fact that we don?t have a more encompassing, generally accepted term for it. This is no small matter. Terms are important; they are the markers of and signposts for our attentiveness. The term form encourages attention to aspects of the poem including meter, rhythm, and rhyme; content asks us to consider more carefully what a poem is about; syntax turns our attention to the role of sentence structure in a poem?s meaning- making pattern. The term turn is inadequate; because of the turn?s strong associations with the sonnet, turn indicates one part of a poem?s, or rather just a sonnet?s, formal concerns?turn is just one more item on par with the facts that the sonnet is fourteen lines long, written in iambic pentameter, in possession of a particular rhyme scheme, and so on. Thus, we need a larger, more encompassing term to mark the presence of the turn in poetry. The most appropriate term available is structure, the term most often used by the few commentators?among them: Randall Jarrell, Ellen Bryant Voigt, and Stephen Dobyns [in ?Writing the Reader?s Life,? from Best Words, Best Order: Essays on Poetry (New York: St. Martin?s, 1996), 35-52]?who have attempted to significantly differentiate between structure and form. However, the term structure also entails many difficulties. It is somewhat confusing, because generally often is considered synonymous with form. For example, if in a handbook of poetry there is a chapter called ?Structures of Poetry,? that chapter will very likely be about forms: villanelles, sestinas, ghazals, pantoums, blank verse." http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/theory-criticism/the- structure-form-distinction/ Later on in the essay, Theune offers his own taxonomic terms, which unfortunately strike me as unlikely to catch on, though the categories he identifies seem real. Anyway, the whole essay is worth pondering; and, I presume, so is his book. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:13 AM, wrote: > Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... > > http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ > > What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? > Finnegan > > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show > tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090411/6d6afa31/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 11 12:35:53 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <49E0C6E9.4000302@nut-n-but.net> I'm going to have the read the guy. Sounds like he might be doing much what I've been doing as a critic for 35 years. I've made up so many names for what I think he means by "turn" that I can't remember which one I now use. Or exactly what I mean by it. But it's not just something in poetics, but in all of art--and in jokes. And Koestler had it in his aesthetics. I was kidding when I mentioned my "clang," but surely that's pretty much the same thing? I don't like "turn" as a poetics or art term, though. Nor "clang." I think it deserves and needs a more narrowly-focused and unique name. --Bob G. From halvard at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 11:42:51 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <49E0C6E9.4000302@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> <49E0C6E9.4000302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: "Turn" has a very specific meaning in music, so let the musicians have it. How about "volta"--or "revoltin" or "revolver" or something like that. Hal "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I don't like "turn" as a poetics or art term, though. Nor "clang." I > think it deserves and needs a more narrowly-focused and unique name. > > --Bob G. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That > is the biggest argument against poetry." > --Miroslav Holub > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bob Grumman > > wrote: > > I don't like "turn" as a poetics or art term, though. Nor > "clang." I think it deserves and needs a more narrowly-focused > and unique name. > > --Bob G. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From chris.lott at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 13:26:20 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> <49E0C6E9.4000302@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904111026m6a22aa20lbf885f88a73c97bd@mail.gmail.com> How about "revolta"? c On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > "Turn" has a very specific meaning in music, so let the musicians have > it. How about "volta"--or "revoltin" or "revolver" or something like that. > > Hal From chris.lott at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 13:27:33 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Facebook Poets In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904110512p5a9f477bue81d66c72b7c96a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904110512p5a9f477bue81d66c72b7c96a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904111027w12c1cd12jdbcedd7056d6ca88@mail.gmail.com> I've bought a half-dozen books in the last few months thanks to invitations to groups and/or announcements by the poets through Facebook... c From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sat Apr 11 13:34:55 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Facebook Poets Message-ID: Ohh oooh, Chris, will you be my friend? **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090411/3933c5a0/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Apr 11 13:38:46 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Facebook Poets: Brent Goodman In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0904111027w12c1cd12jdbcedd7056d6ca88@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904110512p5a9f477bue81d66c72b7c96a6@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0904111027w12c1cd12jdbcedd7056d6ca88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Speaking of buying books, let me highly recommend Brent Goodman's first full-length collection, *The Brother Swimming Beneath Me*, which is just out from Black Lawrence Press. Full disclosure: Brent was a student of mine way back when, and yes, I've plugged his work before. In fact, I've blurbed the new book, too. But that doesn't alter the fact that it's a terrific collection. The book's jacket carries a reduced version of the blurb I wrote. Here's the full copy: "In the first line of The Brother Swimming Beneath Me, his long- awaited and stunning debut collection, Brent Goodman announces: "There is no afterlife." But there is: in poem after poem "the eye plays beautiful tricks" with everything it witnesses, and the past is resurrected in mind and heart. The book as a whole, not just its opening poem, becomes a potent secular prayer, one with sorrow at its heart. For a brother's early death haunts this book, and radiates out from the dazzling title poem at its center to cast its shadow on everything. Yet the author's firm craft and uncommonly mature vision transform loss to a complex, buoyant beauty. The wealth of physical experience is attended to so alertly that it merges, finally, with the spiritual. Technically, these impressively shaped poems range from experiments in prose to fluent sonnets; thematically, they explore brotherly love in just about every imaginable sense. The poems are as rich with delight as with wisdom, and like the good musician he also is, Goodman makes the difficult look natural." Not yet available on Amazon, but you can find Brent on Facebook as well as on his own blog, where the book is currently available for purchase: http://brent-goodman.blogspot.com/ His blog began, as many seem to these days, as a promotional tool. But there's a lot else on it besides Goodman's own poems (good as they are). And if you ask, he'll gladly be your Facebook friend. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > I've bought a half-dozen books in the last few months thanks to > invitations to groups and/or announcements by the poets through > Facebook... > > c > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure... but that's kind of old school, wouldn't you rather be one of my Tweeps? c From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 11 13:48:14 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <49E0CAE9.1040200@opus40.org> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> <49E0C6E9.4000302@nut-n-but.net> <49E0CAE9.1040200@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6768ac830904111048i8500a6t78a51de4a0ef47d9@mail.gmail.com> Tad, I'm sorry, but I don't like you that way. But I'm all for keeping "turn." It's a good English word with a non-technical mening which lends tself well to the things described in that blog as well as a long history of use as a technial term in the sonnet. Using "volta" reminds me of what happens with food -- if you have to catch it or shovel its shit, its an English deer or pig or cow. When you eat it, it's French venison or pork or beef. But in that case, at least, it's a kind of linguistic fossil, a reminder of the three hundred years when the Norman French ate what the Anglo-Saxon peasantry worked for. Then I suppose you could argue the same for the sonnet's "turn" here, since the sonnet came from the Italians. And here's a littly ditty of mine about mixing Greek and Latin roots: Triple Meter: *Lexicography* Three hundred miles in an automobile And my mind begins wandering far from the wheel: Shouldn?t we call this machine for the autobahn An ipsomobile or an autokineticon? Google?s my answer when settling disputes Such as ?Who did this mixing of classical roots? Joined Latin and Greek with a lexical wrench??? ?Auto? and ?mobile? are both from the French. On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Fuck the musicians. > > Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> "Turn" has a very specific meaning in music, so let the musicians have >> it. How about "volta"--or "revoltin" or "revolver" or something like that. >> >> Hal >> >> "There is poetry in everything. That >> is the biggest argument against poetry." >> --Miroslav Holub >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bob Grumman > bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net>> wrote: >> >> I don't like "turn" as a poetics or art term, though. Nor >> "clang." I think it deserves and needs a more narrowly-focused >> and unique name. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anything to avoid a rational poetics. --Bob From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 11 14:29:38 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:32 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <49E0EFDA.1030202@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> <49E0CAE9.1040200@opus40.org> <6768ac830904111048i8500a6t78a51de4a0ef47d9@mail.gmail.com> <49E0EFDA.1030202@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904111129i51e36438k3641868faf6cc92d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Michael Snider wrote: > >> Tad, I'm sorry, but I don't like you that way. >> >> But I'm all for keeping "turn." It's a good English word with a >> non-technical mening which lends tself well to the things described in that >> blog as well as a long history of use as a technical term in the sonnet. >> > Anything to avoid a rational poetics. > > --Bob > > Tha's it, Bob, I'm just one wild and crazy guy. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090411/48b89307/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 14:55:06 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] 'The turn' has its own blog In-Reply-To: <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> References: <8CB873CE434E215-1648-5A2@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <7BB541D5-F887-4881-A4DD-39B8A1424450@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904111155t3ea79ffcvd57be88dbbde9e5@mail.gmail.com> I would like to underline that "volta" is the Italian term for "turn" (la "vuelta" in Spanish) and alas it is more exotic, but it means just the same thing. On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM, David Graham wrote: > This appears to be a wonderful web site: thanks for flagging it. I've > been meaning to get ahold of the associated book (*Structure & Surprise: > Engaging Poetic Turns*) for a while now. So far I've only browsed a bit on > the blog, but Michael Theune looks to be hitting the right notes, from my > vantage point. I very much like his essay on "The Structure-Form > Disctinction," for instance, and note that he alludes to Ellen Bryant > Voigt's wonderful essay "The Flexible Lyric," in her book of the same > title--one of the best books on poetry I've read in the last decade. > I suppose that "the leap" would be one sub-category of Turn, in Theune's > taxonomy. What's valuable about what he's up to is in creating a category > for a crucial element of poetry (structural as opposed to formal) that's > been lacking a convenient label, and thus is often neglected or > misunderstood. As I understand it so far, the Turn is not a single poetic > move but a constellation of possible structural moves. Thus, for example, > the sonnet's volta is only one brand of Turn. > > In my own teaching I've usually described such turns as aspects of a poem's > dramatic shape. (Every good poem's good to the degree it's dramatic, said > Frost.) It's always seemed to me that the lyric equivalent of tension or > conflict in fiction (with associated resolution) is what Theune calls the > Turn. Since lyrics don't require narrative but do require some shapeliness, > I've been looking for some handy way of describing the lyric equivalent to a > story's conflict/crisis/resolution. > > In order to create a satisfying closure, and indeed a sense of poem-ness, > poets instinctively reach for dramatic reversals, shifts of scale (now/then; > big/small; ordinary/profound; etc.), irony & paradox. and so forth. It > seems notable that such moves are not imposed from some higher authority, > but are instinctive. They're what most readers want and expect; we're not > just fiddling with terminology here, then, but tapping into something primal > about poetics. > > So as I understand things, Theune is looking for a way to make such primal > intutions explicit, and thus helpful both pedagogically and critically. > > Here's an excerpt from Theune's essay in which he's discussing the value of > taxonomy (Bob G please note!)-- > > "One of the main reasons we don?t acknowledge the ubiquitous turn as fully > as we should is the simple fact that we don?t have a more encompassing, > generally accepted term for it. This is no small matter. Terms are > important; they are the markers of and signposts for our attentiveness. The > term form encourages attention to aspects of the poem including meter, > rhythm, and rhyme; content asks us to consider more carefully what a poem is > about; syntax turns our attention to the role of sentence structure in a > poem?s meaning-making pattern. The term turn is inadequate; because of the > turn?s strong associations with the sonnet, turn indicates one part of a > poem?s, or rather just a sonnet?s, formal concerns?turn is just one more > item on par with the facts that the sonnet is fourteen lines long, written > in iambic pentameter, in possession of a particular rhyme scheme, and so > on. Thus, we need a larger, more encompassing term to mark the presence of > the turn in poetry. > > > The most appropriate term available is structure, the term most often used > by the few commentators?among them: Randall Jarrell, Ellen Bryant Voigt, and > Stephen Dobyns [in ?Writing the Reader?s Life,? from Best Words, Best Order: > Essays on Poetry (New York: St. Martin?s, 1996), 35-52]?who have attempted > to significantly differentiate between structure and form. However, the > term structure also entails many difficulties. It is somewhat confusing, > because generally often is considered synonymous with form. For example, if > in a handbook of poetry there is a chapter called ?Structures of Poetry,? > that chapter will very likely be about forms: villanelles, sestinas, > ghazals, pantoums, blank verse." > > > http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/theory-criticism/the-structure-form-distinction/ > > Later on in the essay, Theune offers his own taxonomic terms, which > unfortunately strike me as unlikely to catch on, though the categories he > identifies seem real. Anyway, the whole essay is worth pondering; and, I > presume, so is his book. > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:13 AM, > wrote: > > Includes a taxonomy of types of turns... > > http://structureandsurprise.wordpress.com/ > > What ever happened to 'the leap' in poetry? > Finnegan > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Aim?e has a song "Qu'est-ce qu'on est bien ici"/"Bohemian Bossa" from her latest album L'INEXPLICABLE that is featured in the newly released feature film THE TROUBLE WITH ROMANCE whose great ensemble cast includes David Eigenberg (one of the central cast of the tv show and movie SEX AND THE CITY) and Jordan Belfi (of the tv show ENTOURAGE). do visit! -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He quotes Jarrell, who said, "Every successful poem starts from one position and ends at a very different one, often a contradictory or opposite one; yet there has been no break in the unity of the poem." I would ask what successful piece of writing of any kind does not do that? Good essays, particularly. Certainly any kind of story. Theune so far seems to me advancing a truism, little more. But I'll read on. I have one disagreement with Jarrell: I feel most effective poems DO have a break in their unity--a break that the poem mends. Maybe they all, do. --Bob From mandolin at mikesnider.org Sat Apr 11 19:52:13 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] napowrimo so far Message-ID: <6768ac830904111652l3dfd9478v381488d332c09a72@mail.gmail.com> just posted the second sonnet (and seventh poem) for this year's madness. Don't think I'll make it to 30. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090412/f2c8c92c/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 12 10:47:33 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] phraseology In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904120449u7aeaa97eif81ccae125698322@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4b65c2d70904120449u7aeaa97eif81ccae125698322@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090412104315.06d49370@earthlink.net> Years ago I discovered in the pages of Asterix that French dogs say "ouaf ouaf." It never occurred to me til this very moment to look at the Spanish, German, etc. editions, but I don't have them handy. If an Italian dog met a French dog what would it say? What would it say in Turkish, etc.? Anybody out there know? Mark At 07:49 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >But the entry I truly cherish is the one instructing the reader on >how to say "Ouch!" in French ("Aie!"), German ("Au!"), Italian >("Ahi!") and in Spanish ("Ay!"). > >http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/magazine/l-phraseology-166545.html > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090412/281b1426/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:18:26 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] phraseology In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20090412104315.06d49370@earthlink.net> References: <4b65c2d70904120449u7aeaa97eif81ccae125698322@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090412104315.06d49370@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904120818o26d0f6d1lb37656058b9243e9@mail.gmail.com> Depressing what they say in Italian: bau bau... On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Years ago I discovered in the pages of Asterix that French dogs say "ouaf > ouaf." It never occurred to me til this very moment to look at the Spanish, > German, etc. editions, but I don't have them handy. If an Italian dog met a > French dog what would it say? What would it say in Turkish, etc.? Anybody > out there know? > > Mark > > > At 07:49 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: > > But the entry I truly cherish is the one instructing the reader on how to > say "Ouch!" in French ("Aie!"), German ("Au!"), Italian ("Ahi!") and in > Spanish ("Ay!"). > > http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/magazine/l-phraseology-166545.html > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Harmonium, 1923. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 12, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > But the entry I truly cherish is the one instructing the reader on > how to say "Ouch!" in French ("Aie!"), German ("Au!"), Italian > ("Ahi!") and in Spanish ("Ay!"). > > http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/magazine/l-phraseology-166545.html > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090412/514710cb/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 12 11:44:01 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:33 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] phraseology In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904120818o26d0f6d1lb37656058b9243e9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4b65c2d70904120449u7aeaa97eif81ccae125698322@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20090412104315.06d49370@earthlink.net> <4b65c2d70904120818o26d0f6d1lb37656058b9243e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090412114045.06d52e38@earthlink.net> Chines/Japanes/Korean can can Spanish uau uau German wau wau (according to Pierre Joris) There might be a market for a phrasebook called "how to talk to dogs in any language." At 11:18 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >Depressing what they say in Italian: bau bau... > >On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Mark Weiss ><junction@earthlink.net> wrote: >Years ago I discovered in the pages of Asterix that French dogs say >"ouaf ouaf." It never occurred to me til this very moment to look at >the Spanish, German, etc. editions, but I don't have them handy. If >an Italian dog met a French dog what would it say? What would it say >in Turkish, etc.? Anybody out there know? > >Mark > > >At 07:49 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >>But the entry I truly cherish is the one instructing the reader on >>how to say "Ouch!" in French ("Aie!"), German ("Au!"), Italian >>("Ahi!") and in Spanish ("Ay!"). >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/magazine/l-phraseology-166545.html >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Anny Ballardini >>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>dancing star! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > >-- >Anny Ballardini >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do they ever name girls October November December? Trees. I know several Laurels and one Willow, but not a single Maple. It's a lovely tree, produces sugar, and would make a lovely name. As would Poplar. Flowers. Why Rose and Daisy and not, for instance, Verbena, Lilac or Peony? Why Heather and not Gorse? How does all this play out in other languages? Mark At 11:44 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >Chines/Japanes/Korean can can >Spanish uau uau >German wau wau (according to Pierre Joris) > >There might be a market for a phrasebook called "how to talk to dogs >in any language." > >At 11:18 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >>Depressing what they say in Italian: bau bau... >> >>On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Mark Weiss >><junction@earthlink.net > wrote: >>Years ago I discovered in the pages of Asterix that French dogs say >>"ouaf ouaf." It never occurred to me til this very moment to look >>at the Spanish, German, etc. editions, but I don't have them handy. >>If an Italian dog met a French dog what would it say? What would it >>say in Turkish, etc.? Anybody out there know? >>Mark >> >>At 07:49 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >>>But the entry I truly cherish is the one instructing the reader on >>>how to say "Ouch!" in French ("Aie!"), German ("Au!"), Italian >>>("Ahi!") and in Spanish ("Ay!"). >>> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/magazine/l-phraseology-166545.html >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Anny Ballardini >>>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> >>>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>>dancing star! >>>_______________________________________________ >>>New-Poetry mailing list >>>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Anny Ballardini >>http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >>dancing star! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Very lovely name, I thought, almost as euphonious as Malaria. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > To broaden the discussion. > > I've been thinking about the names given to girls. Boys are I think > neer named for trees, flowers or months, at least in English. It's > not hard to understand why names like April, May and June are given > in the northern hemisphere, and not December. Do Australians also > name their girls after months that for them are less pleasant? Do > they ever name girls October November December? > > Trees. I know several Laurels and one Willow, but not a single > Maple. It's a lovely tree, produces sugar, and would make a lovely > name. As would Poplar. > > Flowers. 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And there are the virtues: Faith, Hope, Charity. I've also known a couple of Chastitys, but that I think may be counter-predictive: they both slept around a lot. At 12:31 PM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >I met a young woman recently named Cello. Very lovely name, I >thought, almost as euphonious as Malaria. > > > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd@ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.mac.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > >>To broaden the discussion. >> >>I've been thinking about the names given to girls. Boys are I think >>neer named for trees, flowers or months, at least in English. It's >>not hard to understand why names like April, May and June are given >>in the northern hemisphere, and not December. Do Australians also >>name their girls after months that for them are less pleasant? Do >>they ever name girls October November December? >> >>Trees. I know several Laurels and one Willow, but not a single >>Maple. It's a lovely tree, produces sugar, and would make a lovely >>name. As would Poplar. >> >>Flowers. Why Rose and Daisy and not, for instance, Verbena, Lilac or Peony? >> >>Why Heather and not Gorse? >> >>How does all this play out in other languages? >> >>Mark > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jennifer has published work in Article, Free Verse, Guernica, Left Facing Bird, Sal Mimeo, and Verse, and is included in Green Integer?s forthcoming anthology, The Gertrude Stein Awards. Jennifer lives in Brooklyn, New York, where she writes and teaches yoga. ? ~~~ ? Heather Green?s work has appeared in Barrow Street, DIAGRAM, The Hat, Lungfull!, Pebble Lake Review, Tarpaulin Sky, and other journals. She?s the author of the chapbook The Match Array (Dancing Girl Press, 2008) and lives in Boston. ? ~~~ ? ? Chris Hosea?s poems appear in VOLT, Swerve, Denver Quarterly, Article, Harvard Review, Iowa Review, and The Literary Review. With Cecily Iddings, he edits The Blue Letter, a free direct-mail poetry newsletter. He works at the Marymount School and lives in Brooklyn. ? ~~~ ? ? Sueyeun Juliette Lee edits Corollary Press, a chapbook series devoted to new work by writers of color. Recent work has appeared in Effing, One Less, and online at critiphoria.org. Her chapbooks include Mental Commitment Robots (yo yo labs), Perfect Villagers (Octopus Books) and Trespass Slightly In (Coconut). Her first full-length collection, That Gorgeous Feeling, is out from Coconut Books. She currently lives in Philadelphia. ? ~~~ ? ? Daniel Lin has a chapbook, TINDER, from Nightboat Books (2004), and has recently published poems in Unsplendid and The Jewish Quarterly. He was a N.Y. Times Fellow at NYU and a Tennessee Williams Scholar at Sewanee Writers? Conference. ? ~~~ ? Barry Schwabsky is an American poet and art critic living in London. His new collection of poems, Book Left Open in the Rain, is published imminently by Black Square Editions and is available from Small press Distribution. He writes reguarly for The Nation and Artforum (where he also co-edits the international reviews section), among others. He is the author of Opera: Poems 1981-2002 (Meritage Press) and The Widening Circle: Consequences of Modernism in Contemporary Art (Cambridge University Press) as well as several chapbooks of poetry and contributions to dozens of books and exhibition catalogues on contemporary and modern art. ? ~~~ ? Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bo?i?evi? ? ? stain bar 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand Street, 1 block west) ? ? SITE:? http://stainofpoetry.com VIDEO:? http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/video/ ? -- ? Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Murat Nemet-Nejaf says Turkish dogs go af af! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org Murat Nemet-Nejaf says Turkish dogs go af af! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090412/852229ef/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 17:24:22 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:34 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] phraseology--barking In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20090412155703.06d9edf8@earthlink.net> <4b65c2d70904121358i6707b5c1y20474488bb9664f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: More corners heard from: Swedish: (Normal dog:) Vov! (Big one:) Voff! (small:) Bj?bb! Spanish: Guau! ("wow") Italian: Bau bau! >>*French: Ouah! or Ouaf! >>*Portuguese: Au au! >>* = those are languages I can speak, and how it's written out for sure. Source(s): http://www.elftown.com/_animal-sounds HJ "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Strange to say, dogs not barking sound about the same > whatever the language, but there's always more to be > said on this: e.g. > http://seserak.blogspot.com/2005/08/embarrassing-experience-of-learning.html > > Hal > > "There is poetry in everything. That > is the biggest argument against poetry." > --Miroslav Holub > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > Murat Nemet-Nejaf says Turkish dogs go af af! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That > is the biggest argument against poetry." > --Miroslav Holub > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > Murat Nemet-Nejaf says Turkish dogs go af af! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This place, which warned its own remoteness it would turn into a desert, still has a few trees left and a few blue tits in them, calling: thorn-in-the-ass, thorn-in-the-ass! ? They?re calling to the weary or apathetic human being who is out for a walk holding a book, and while wondering what?s for supper, he mumbles: ?I?ve never thought like that or felt like that; I?ve never said this!? Socrates, reading Plato? ? ? ?Vladim?r Holan Mirroring: Selected Poems of Vladimir Holan Translated by C.G. Hanzlicek & Dana H?bov? (Wesleyan, 1982) - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark At 09:34 AM 4/13/2009, you wrote: >Do they say, "Bark," or just use, "Arf," in >these other languages that dogs speak? > >HorizonScanner > > > >---------- >Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that >grows with you. >Check >it out. >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/55f4756b/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 13 09:47:27 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Maginnes sighting Message-ID: Our very own Al Maginnes is currently featured at How a Poem Happens: http://howapoemhappens.blogspot.com/ After reading Al's entry, scroll down for Philip Levine, Richard Frost, Sandra Beasley & other worthies. Nice poem, Al. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/b3f41631/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Apr 13 09:58:33 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Maginnes sighting Message-ID: Thanks. I'm honored to be part of this. Even if I were not on it, How A Poem Happens is one of my favorite sites. Al **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035&ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No sarcasm intended (although I know I'm exaggerating a little). I never find anything except when people push me to a blog or send me a book in the mail. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/da99c93a/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Apr 13 11:05:03 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Maginnes sighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E3549F.7010505@nut-n-but.net> Anny and James are pretty good at it, too. Maybe the three of you should author the book. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 13 10:02:45 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Maginnes sighting In-Reply-To: <49E3542D.5080509@nut-n-but.net> References: <49E3542D.5080509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > David, you should write a book called How To Be Totally Informed > About the American Poetry Scene. No sarcasm intended (although I > know I'm exaggerating a little). I never find anything except when > people push me to a blog or send me a book in the mail. > > --Bob G. ========================= Thanks. As the wonderful Yogi Berra is reported to have said, "you can observe a lot just by looking." ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/2beaae37/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 13 10:11:13 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Maginnes sighting In-Reply-To: References: <49E3542D.5080509@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4C9F827C-BA35-4C03-B4F2-D70923F7B6CB@ripon.edu> And speaking of the very interesting How a Poem Happens blog, one can subscribe to it & receive email notification whenever a new poet is up. That's true of a lot of sites these days. http://howapoemhappens.blogspot.com/ HAPH also maintains a Facebook group that I belong to, which automatically makes me receive a message when they update. One of the features of FB that I most enjoy, actually. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:02 AM, David Graham wrote: > > > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> David, you should write a book called How To Be Totally Informed >> About the American Poetry Scene. No sarcasm intended (although I >> know I'm exaggerating a little). I never find anything except >> when people push me to a blog or send me a book in the mail. >> >> --Bob G. > ========================= > > Thanks. As the wonderful Yogi Berra is reported to have said, "you > can observe a lot just by looking." > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/f29fed02/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Apr 13 10:12:02 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Maginnes sighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E34832.5050902@opus40.org> I love the poem. I've also written a poem about giving directions in terms of where things used to be. Was thinking of posting it, but I like yours so much better. David Graham wrote: > Our very own Al Maginnes is currently featured at How a Poem Happens: > > http://howapoemhappens.blogspot.com/ > > After reading Al's entry, scroll down for Philip Levine, Richard > Frost, Sandra Beasley & other worthies. > > Nice poem, Al. > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 10:12:41 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems In-Reply-To: <8CB8A4BCC0CBE1A-D68-2E49@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> <49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org> <8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> <8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> <8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <8CB881950122918-E04-2BF1@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70904101201m7defe06ama4084d70931280b4@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8843C3AA031F-D60-132D@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB899CC3FCA3AE-1788-580F@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> <8CB8A4BCC0CBE1A-D68-2E49@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904130712j6f0a5c74nec3d0becb9c9e357@mail.gmail.com> https://www.mertoninstitute.org/merton_prize_winners_2009.php *The 2009 Thomas Merton Prize for Poetry of the Sacred* *Wendell Berry, Judge * On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > Vision > > > This place, which warned its own remoteness > it would turn into a desert, > still has a few trees left and a few blue tits in them, > calling: thorn-in-the-ass, thorn-in-the-ass! > > They?re calling to the weary or apathetic human being > who is out for a walk holding a book, > and while wondering > what?s for supper, he mumbles: > ?I?ve never thought like that or felt like that; > I?ve never said this!? > > Socrates, reading Plato? > > > ?Vladim?r Holan** > *Mirroring: Selected Poems of Vladimir Holan* > Translated by C.G. Hanzlicek & Dana H?bov? > (Wesleyan, 1982) > > > > > - > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/32356608/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 10:26:42 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manifestos Message-ID: <731bb17a0904130726h4c9aae4epe2b0fa5d47f79905@mail.gmail.com> I'm tinkering with an idea for an article, and on my walk this morning, I got to thinking about poetic manifestos. Lots of questions spring to mind: What exactly *is* a poetic manfesto? Is Sydney's Defence a manifesto? What are the makings of a manifesto? Are manifestos reactionary? Do manifestos have similar traits? Does manifesto follow movement or vice versa? Are poetic manifestos and poetic movements mutually inclusive? Some poetic manifestos that spring to mind: Sydney's Defense Shelley's Defense Pound's manifesto of Vorticism in the first issue of Blast Pound's Imagist writings Eliot's Tradition & the Individual Talent (a manifesto? maybe) Jeffers' Poetry, Gongorism, and a Thousand Years Jarman and Mason's introduction to Rebel Angels: 25 Poets of the New Formalism Lots of others, too. Anyway, here's the question for NewPoetry folks: can you help me locate manifestos posted online? I am sure that they are out there. Post your favorite. Also, does anyone know of any good critical books on poetic manifestoes and movements? Best, Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Teresa runs to get Al, and Fran calls Billy at the Exxon. The bar crowds with silent men. No one's cheering. No one's bowling now except Alice's team, rolling their balls to advance the screen around to Alice, who's stopped even her nervous laugh, her face blank and smooth with concentration. It can't go on and then it does go on, the white bar reading "Silver Dollar Chicken" lowering and clearing nothing, then lowering and clearing nothing again. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/d318bd83/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Apr 13 10:31:11 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manifestos Message-ID: Comps are over, Jeff. Relax ;-) **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035&ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/0d6ef9e2/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 11:05:17 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Maginnes sighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904130805j55a8647ag11aeb163c721eb48@mail.gmail.com> Yes, let me add my appreciation. A great poem, it moves well in its being static. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM, wrote: > You really have to know a place to do that. > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/12c3be4c/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 11:18:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manifestos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904130818v683e35b2j600b75ce6c16288f@mail.gmail.com> Since you mention Pound you will have to consider the Italian Manifesto of Futurism - Filippo Tommaso Marinetti is the mind, and the young Pound in England loved him... A Manifesto, the way I see it, is the founding charter of a new movement that needs a Manifesto, written rules, to let other people know what will be happening. Manifesto, in Italian, means "manifested" - something like: we finally manifest/show what will be. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM, wrote: > Comps are over, Jeff. Relax ;-) > > ------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/a61b76ad/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 13 13:58:14 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904130712j6f0a5c74nec3d0becb9c9e357@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com><49DA7FF9.1030005@opus40.org><8CB85A05EB6F00C-1310-92C@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com><8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com><8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com><8CB881950122918-E04-2BF1@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com><4b65c2d70904101201m7defe06ama4084d70931280b4@mail.gmail.com><8CB8843C3AA031F-D60-132D@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com><8CB899CC3FCA3AE-1788-580F@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com><8CB8A4BCC0CBE1A-D68-2E49@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70904130712j6f0a5c74nec3d0becb9c9e357@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8A788D5BE7CF-12C8-198C@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> You must be psychic, Anny. The next poem I was planning to post was by Thomas Merton, called "Duns Scotus." But I hadn't had time to type it out. I lived in Louisville KY for several years and Bellarmine College there has Thomas Merton center.... http://www.merton.org/ I wasn't familar with that Merton Institute or their poetry prize. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems https://www.mertoninstitute.org/merton_prize_winners_2009.php The 2009 Thomas Merton Prize for Poetry of the Sacred Wendell Berry, Judge On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, wrote: Vision ? ? This place, which warned its own remoteness it would turn into a desert, still has a few trees left and a few blue tits in them, calling: thorn-in-the-ass, thorn-in-the-ass! ? They?re calling to the weary or apathetic human being who is out for a walk holding a book, and while wondering what?s for supper, he mumbles: ?I?ve never thought like that or felt like that; I?ve never said this!? Socrates, reading Plato? ? ? ?Vladim?r Holan Mirroring: Selected Poems of Vladimir Holan Translated by C.G. Hanzlicek & Dana H?bov? (Wesleyan, 1982) - Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/32c833ed/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Apr 13 15:06:01 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Deborah Digges Message-ID: http://www.dailycollegian.com/news/officials-woman-dies-following-jump-from- mcguirk-1.1711814 -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/0a3d893e/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:23:33 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems In-Reply-To: <8CB8A788D5BE7CF-12C8-198C@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB851B50996272-774-348B@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> <8CB8773C3FDB33B-874-1137@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> <8CB87FE01EE9F56-CB8-2377@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <8CB881950122918-E04-2BF1@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70904101201m7defe06ama4084d70931280b4@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8843C3AA031F-D60-132D@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB899CC3FCA3AE-1788-580F@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> <8CB8A4BCC0CBE1A-D68-2E49@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> <4b65c2d70904130712j6f0a5c74nec3d0becb9c9e357@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8A788D5BE7CF-12C8-198C@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904131223n14057a0esea694a1387b3f1e@mail.gmail.com> They are two different institutions, I realize it now. The Merton Institute regularly sends out mails with Thomas Merton's thoughts, comments, and selections, that I sometimes post to my blog, and updates in general. I would like to be a psychic... It takes much more concentration than what I usually have. But I did want to contribute to your work, also because I find your selections excellent. Do post the Merton poem, thanks. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:58 PM, wrote: > You must be psychic, Anny. The next poem I was planning to post was by > Thomas Merton, called "Duns Scotus." But I hadn't had time to type it out. > > I lived in Louisville KY for several years and Bellarmine College there has > Thomas Merton center.... > http://www.merton.org/ > > I wasn't familar with that Merton Institute or their poetry prize. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:12 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Philosopher/philosophy poems > > https://www.mertoninstitute.org/merton_prize_winners_2009.php > > *The 2009 Thomas Merton Prize for Poetry of the Sacred* > > *Wendell Berry, Judge > > > * > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > >> Vision >> >> >> This place, which warned its own remoteness >> it would turn into a desert, >> still has a few trees left and a few blue tits in them, >> calling: thorn-in-the-ass, thorn-in-the-ass! >> >> They?re calling to the weary or apathetic human being >> who is out for a walk holding a book, >> and while wondering >> what?s for supper, he mumbles: >> ?I?ve never thought like that or felt like that; >> I?ve never said this!? >> >> Socrates, reading Plato? >> >> >> ?Vladim?r Holan** >> *Mirroring: Selected Poems of Vladimir Holan* >> Translated by C.G. Hanzlicek & Dana H?bov? >> (Wesleyan, 1982) >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. >> Check out TourTracker.com >> ! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check > out TourTracker.com > ! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090413/b97304d5/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 16:39:48 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Deborah Digges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60904131339s7fdf799bm1761414ac5dce6f3@mail.gmail.com> Awful. I met her at a couple of AWP conferences and she was friends with several friends of mine. I remember her as someone easy going and a comfortable conversationalist - I was impressed by that in the context of AWPs. I get the feeling there's a big back story here: U Mass, Tufts, Amherst, an intense neighborhood. - Jim On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM, David Graham wrote: > > http://www.dailycollegian.com/news/officials-woman-dies-following-jump-from-mcguirk-1.1711814 > > > -- > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember her as someone easy going and a comfortable conversationalist - I was impressed by that in the context of AWPs. I get the feeling there's a big back story here: U Mass, Tufts, Amherst, an intense neighborhood. - Jim On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM, David Graham wrote: ???????http://www.dailycollegian.com/news/officials-woman-dies-following-jump-from-mcguirk-1.1711814 -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The next poem I was planning to post was by > Thomas Merton, called "Duns Scotus." But I hadn't had time to type it out. > > I lived in Louisville KY for several years and Bellarmine College there has > Thomas Merton center.... > http://www.merton.org/ > > I wasn't familar with that Merton Institute or their poetry prize. > Finnegan > Jaqmes, when were you in Louisville? I was born there and lived there until the last day of 1986 -- MA ( and ABD) at U of L, in English, along with most iof a degree in Engineering Math and Comp Sci. I taught freshman comp whike I was taking freshman calculus. High school years, during the summer I'd bicycle to the Trappist monastery in Bardstown where Merton had lived - the monks let me camp out there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Le 21 avril 2009 ? 20 heures Reid Hall 4, rue de Chevreuse 75006 Paris Contact ? R?servations : Catherine Flohic argol.editions@club.fr 01 43 29 96 32 - 06 72 46 25 99 www.argol-editions.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090414/ad40fd8a/attachment.html From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 05:54:30 2009 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:36 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry reading at Shakespeare and Company (Paris) Message-ID: <284590.3210.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends and Colleagues, Join us at the Librairie Shakespeare & Company in Paris for an Anglophone poetry reading. Lecture-Rencontre / Poetry Reading at Shakespeare and Company Alexander Dickow & Nicholas Manning 37 rue de la B?cherie 75005 Paris T?l: 01 43 25 40 93 lundi 20 avril / Monday, April 20th 19h/ 7pm Alexander Dickow is an American poet, translator, and author of Caramboles, a collection of poetry in French and English published by Argol Editions. He is currently pursuing his doctoral research in Ch?tillon. Nicholas Manning's first collection Novaless was released from Otoliths Books in 2008. Hi Higher Hyperbole, a chapbook of new poems, is forthcoming from Ypolita Press. He currently teaches comparative poetics at the University of Strasbourg, France. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090414/a6b6dc95/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 14 08:29:51 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem-a-Day: "Greeter of Souls" by Deborah Digges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8B13D7D7CFAA-718-33BC@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 7:00 am Subject: Poem-a-Day: "Greeter of Souls" by Deborah Digges If you cannot view images in your e-mail, please visit http://info.randomhouse.com/cgi-bin21/DM/y/j6hS0DXKYc0Wa0BhDw0EW Poem-a-Day brought to you by Knopf POEM-A-DAY FACEBOOK TWITTER TAKE OUR READER SURVEY SIGNED EDITIONS We were saddened to learn of the death of Deborah Digges, who was fifty-nine, this past weekend. Her books of poetry were Vesper Sparrows (1986), Late in the Millenium (1989), Rough Music (1995), and Trapeze (2004). In her memory, we offer "Greeter of Souls." ? Greeter of Souls Ponds are spring-fed, lakes run off rivers. Here souls pass, not one deified, and sometimes this is terrible to know three floors below the street, where light drinks the world, siphoned like music through portals. How fed, that dark, the octaves framed faceless. A memory of water. The trees more beautiful not themselves. Souls who have passed here, tired brightening. Dumpsters of linen, empty gurneys along corridors to parking garages. Who wonders, is it morning? Who washes these blankets? Can I not be the greeter of souls? What's to be done with the envelopes of hair? If the inlets are frozen, can I walk across? When I look down into myself to see a scattering of birds, do I put on the new garments? On which side of the river should I wait? KEEP CLICKING Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. More about Trapeze About Deborah Digges ?? Excerpts from TRAPEZE Copyright ? 2004 by Deborah Digges. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to knopfpoetry@randomhouse.com You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day mailing list. Random House, Inc., 1745 Broadway, New York, NY 10019 To unsubscribe, send a blank email to unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. ? SUBSCRIBE to Poem-a-Day ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She teaches English and Creative Writing at Nassau Community College, moderates the Poetics and Women's Poetry listserves, and co-curates The Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series (http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/). Please visit her at http://amyking.org for more. RICHARD SIME grew up in rural North Dakota, graduated from college in Minnesota, moved to New York City to attend graduate school at NYU, drifted into publishing, and eventually returned to school at Sarah Lawrence College, where he earned an MFA in fiction writing and where a course on prosody planted a seed. He began to write poetry in workshops at the New School in New York City and the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown, MA, where he returns each summer. His work has appeared in Barrow Street, Provincetown Arts, Radical Faerie Digest, and Passager. L.B. THOMPSON received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and her M.F.A. in Poetry from New York University. Her poetry has been published in journals including Fence, Pool, Lyric, The Women's Review of Books and The New Yorker. She received an award for emerging women writers from the Rona Jaffe Foundation in 2002, and won the Center for Book Arts? annual chapbook competition in 2003. L.B. teaches English to college freshmen, works as a free-lance copyeditor, and lives on the North Fork of Long Island. ? ~~~ Barette is wheelchair accessible. ? Hosts -- Ari Banias & Danica Colic ? Barrette 601 Vanderbilt Ave (at Bergen St, Prospect Heights, Brooklyn) 718-230-5170 Subway: B, Q to Seventh Ave; 2, 3 to Grand Army Plaza ? ? http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=81872660752 ? ? _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.56/2058 - Release Date: 04/14/09 06:17:00 From junction at earthlink.net Tue Apr 14 15:01:03 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] For Immediate Release: Fanny Howe receives 2009 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904141048k7803e6c9m8e2a3eaebad22e31@mail.gmail.co m> References: <49E4CC0F.7080304@tin.it> <4b65c2d70904141048k7803e6c9m8e2a3eaebad22e31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090414150046.039cf5c8@earthlink.net> Wonderful! and much deserved. At 01:48 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >For Immediate Release >April 14, 2009 >www.poetryfoundation.org/foundation/announcements.html >Media Director: Anne Halsey, 312.799.8016; >ahalsey@poetryfoundation.org > >Fanny Howe and Ange Mlinko Receive Major Literary Awards >from Poetry Foundation >Howe to receive $100,000 Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize > >CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, publisher of >Poetry magazine, is pleased to announce that >poets Fanny Howe and Ange Mlinko are the winners >of its sixth annual Pegasus Awards. > >Howe is the recipient of the 2009 Ruth Lilly >Poetry Prize. Established in 1986 and presented >annually by the Poetry Foundation to a living >U.S. poet whose lifetime accomplishments warrant >extraordinary recognition, the Ruth Lilly Prize >is one of the most prestigious awards given to >American poets, and at $100,000 it is one of the >nation?s largest literary prizes. Poet and >critic Ange Mlinko is the winner of the Randall >Jarrell Award in Poetry Criticism. The prizes >will be presented at the Pegasus Awards ceremony >at the Arts Club of Chicago on Tuesday, May 19. > >In announcing the Lilly Prize, Christian Wiman, >editor of Poetry magazine, said: ?Fanny Howe is >a religious writer whose work makes you more >alert and alive to the earth, an experimental >writer who can break your heart. Live in her >world for a while, and it can change the way you think of yours.? > >?The selection of Fanny Howe as this year?s >winner of the Lilly Prize does honor to the >traditions?of excellence, importance, and >discovery?that the prize has stood for since it >was established over 20 years ago,? said John >Barr, president of the Poetry Foundation. > >The Poetry Foundation issued the following >statement in making the award: ?Reading Fanny >Howe?both the poetry and the prose?one has the >sense of a life that has been inhabited so >intensely and lovingly that even her smallest >fragments seem steeped in that experience. Her >poetry can be elusive and hermetic, and then >abruptly and devastatingly candid; it is marked >by the pressures of history and culture, yet >defiantly, transcendently lyrical. She is a >demanding and deeply rewarding artist, and her >body of work seems larger, stranger, and more >permanent with each new book she publishes.? > >Fanny Howe, 68, has written many books of >poetry, including Gone (University of California >Press, 2003), Selected Poems (UC Press, 2000), >On the Ground (Graywolf Press, 2004), and The >Lyrics (Graywolf, 2007). She has also written >novels, five of which have been collected in one >volume called Radical Love. At age 17 Howe left >her home in Boston for California and has since >spent her life there and in England, Ireland, >and Massachusetts. In recent years she has won >the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize, a fellowship >from the Guggenheim Foundation, and an award >from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. >She has written two collections of essays, The >Wedding Dress (UC Press, 2003) and The Winter >Sun (Graywolf, 2009). Howe has three grown >children and six little grandchildren; she >currently lives on Martha?s Vineyard. > >Ange Mlinko is the third recipient of the >Randall Jarrell Award in Poetry Criticism. The >$10,000 prize is awarded for poetry criticism >that is intelligent and learned as well as >lively and enjoyable to read. Mlinko, 39, is the >author of two books, Matinees (Zoland Books, >1999) and Starred Wire (Coffee House Press, >2005), which was a National Poetry Series winner >in 2004 and a finalist for the James Laughlin Award the following year. > >The Poetry Foundation issued the following >statement in announcing Mlinko?s award: ?From >Sappho to the Language poets, from Nicolas of >Cusa to The Brady Bunch, Ange Mlinko?s criticism >is brilliantly wide-ranging; it is eclectic and >astringent yet always lucid and generous. We are >pleased to recognize a young critic whose >distinctive sharp wit and formidable power have >helped revitalize the art of writing about poetry.? > >Mlinko was born in Philadelphia and currently >lives in the lower Hudson Valley, where she >raises her two sons. She has an undergraduate >degree in philosophy and mathematics from St. >John?s College and an MFA from the Creative >Writing Program at Brown University. Her poetry >and criticism have appeared or are forthcoming >in Poetry and the Poetry Foundation website, the >London Review of Books, The New Yorker, >Bookforum, and The Nation, where she also writes >an occasional column on language called Lingo. > >*** > >About the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize >American poetry has no greater friend than Ruth >Lilly. Over many years and in many ways, it has >been blessed by her personal generosity. In 1985 >she endowed the Ruth Lilly Professorship in >Poetry at Indiana University. In 1989 she >created Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowships, for >$15,000 each, given annually by the Poetry >Foundation to undergraduate or graduate students >selected through a national competition. In 2002 >her lifetime engagement with poetry culminated >in a magnificent bequest that will enable the >Poetry Foundation to promote, in perpetuity, a >vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. > >The Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize honors a living U.S. >poet whose lifetime accomplishments warrant >extraordinary recognition. Established in 1986 >by Ruth Lilly, the annual prize is sponsored and >administered by the Poetry Foundation, publisher >of Poetry magazine. Over the last 20 years, the >Lilly Prize has awarded more than $1,000,000. >The previous recipients are Adrienne Rich, >Philip Levine, Anthony Hecht, Mona Van Duyn, >Hayden Carruth, David Wagoner, John Ashbery, >Charles Wright, Donald Hall, A.R. Ammons, Gerald >Stern, William Matthews, W.S. Merwin, Maxine >Kumin, Carl Dennis, Yusef Komunyakaa, Lisel >Mueller, Linda Pastan, Kay Ryan, C.K. Williams, >Richard Wilbur, Lucille Clifton, and Gary Snyder. > >About the Pegasus Awards >The Poetry Foundation has established a family >of prizes with an emphasis on new awards to >under-recognized poets and types of poetry. >Inaugurated in 2004, the Pegasus Awards are >announced annually in the spring. The Poetry >Foundation believes that targeted prizes can >help redress underappreciated accomplishments, >diversify the kinds of poetry being written, and >widen the audience for the art form. With this >in mind, it may create additional prizes in the years ahead. > >About the Poetry Foundation >The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry >magazine and one of the largest literary >organizations in the world, exists to discover >and celebrate the best poetry and to place it >before the largest possible audience. The Poetry >Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a >receptive climate for poetry by developing new >audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, >and encouraging new kinds of poetry through >innovative literary prizes and programs. 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Jim Harrison has new book out http://www.coppercanyonpress.org/catalog/dsp_bookDetail.cfm?Book_ID=1399 and John Latta has some remarks about his work... http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090414/61e93fd6/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 15 08:31:01 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Guinness World Record for mass poetry recitation Message-ID: <49E5D385.5020201@opus40.org> Reciting poetry in Zulu may not seem like much of a talent, but it landed Ashrita Furman in the record books - yet again. Furman, 54, of Jamaica, Queens , became the first person to hold 100 Guinness Book of World Records simultaneously Tuesday after assembling a group that recited a poem in 111 languages at City Hall Park. The bunch took turns reading "Precious," by the late Indian spiritual leader Sri Chinmoy . "It was fun learning about many of these languages - quite a few I never even heard of," said Furman, who read the eight-line poem in Zulu. More than 100 participants - followers of Chinmoy from around the globe - recited the poem in languages ranging from Dzongkha to Picard. The effort broke the previous record, in which "Values on Community Harmony" was read in 79 languages. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Apr 15 09:12:21 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Guinness World Record for mass poetry recitation In-Reply-To: <49E5D385.5020201@opus40.org> References: <49E5D385.5020201@opus40.org> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904150612j16faaff3re1a988b278b4edea@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Mole. Your site led me to the site that has Sri Chinmoy discussing his own poetry: http://www.poetseers.org/the_poetseers/sri_chinmoy/spiritual_poetry/sri_chinmoy_on_his_own_poetry/ Best, Judy 2009/4/15 TheOldMole > Reciting poetry in Zulu may not seem like much of a talent, but it landed > Ashrita Furman in the > record books - yet again. > > Furman, 54, of Jamaica, Queens < > http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jamaica+%28New+York%29>, became the > first person to hold 100 Guinness Book < > http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Guinness+World+Records+Ltd.> of World > Records simultaneously Tuesday after assembling a group that recited a poem > in 111 languages at City Hall Park. The bunch took turns reading "Precious," > by the late Indian spiritual leader Sri Chinmoy < > http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sri+Chinmoy>. > > "It was fun learning about many of these languages - quite a few I never > even heard of," said Furman, who read the eight-line poem in Zulu. > > More than 100 participants - followers of Chinmoy from around the globe - > recited the poem in languages ranging from Dzongkha to Picard. > > The effort broke the previous record, in which "Values on Community > Harmony" was read in 79 languages. > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My copy of the orginal leaping issue of The Seventies (along with other issues of The Sixties) remain on my shelf, having survived many moves and bookshelf purges. That surely says something. They're heavily marked up and falling apart from repeated readings. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:56 PM, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > ?The couplets are not related by reason or logic and their only > continuity is made by a metaphorical jump.? > Jim Harrison has new book out > http://www.coppercanyonpress.org/catalog/dsp_bookDetail.cfm? > Book_ID=1399 > and John Latta has some remarks about his work... > http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Monday, then, was quite a day for the Derry-born farmer's son now known to literary Dublin's sharp-tongued gossips as "famous Seamus." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090415/b81b69e4/attachment.html From seamascain at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 11:46:19 2009 From: seamascain at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?=) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The death of Franklin Rosemont Message-ID: <6f1e9ee40904150846u28a6318cg9341ba79a974bdf3@mail.gmail.com> _______________ Franklin Rosemont, surrealist poet, artist, historian, street speaker, & labor activist, died of an aneurysm on Sunday, April 12th in Chicago, Illinois. He was 65 years old. With his partner & comrade, Penelope Rosemont, & lifelong friend Paul Garon, he co-founded the Chicago Surrealist Group, a remarkable presence in the art & activism landscape of Chicago for forty years. Rosemont did not separate scholarship from art, or art from political & social revolt. His books of poetry include "The morning of a machine gun" (Chicago : Surrealist Editions, 1968); "The apple of the automatic zebra's eye" (Cambridge, Massachusetts : Radical America, 1971); "Lamps hurled at the stunning algebra of ants" (Chicago : Surrealist Editions & Black Swan Press, 1990); & "Penelope" (Chicago : Surrealist Editions, 1997). Rosemont was a leading figure in the reorganization of America?s oldest labor press, the Charles H. Kerr Company. Under the mantle of the Kerr Company, Franklin edited & printed the work of some of the most interesting & important figures in the development of the political left: C.L.R. James, Martin Glaberman, Staughton Lynd, David Dellinger, Cornelius Castoriadis, Sam Dolgoff, Paul Goodman, Grace Lee Boggs, Paul Avrich, Augustin Souchy, Mother Jones, Lucy Parsons, Benjamin P?ret, Utah Phillips, Paul Buhle, T-Bone Slim, George Woodcock, and, in a new book released just days before Franklin?s death, Carl Sandburg. In later years, Franklin Rosemont created & edited the Surrealist Histories series at the University of Texas Press, in addition to continuing his work with the Kerr Company & Black Swan Press. Franklin Rosemont was a friend & valued colleague of such persons as Studs Terkel, Mary Low, the poets Philip Lamantia, Diane di Prima, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Dennis Brutus, the painter Leonora Carrington, & the historians David Roediger, John Bracey, & Robin D.G. Kelley. I first encountered Franklin Rosemont face-to-face during the Chicago protests of August 1968. Then & since, I found him to be an amazing blend of contradictions, at once cordial yet cantankerous, amiable yet dismissive, spontaneous & enthusiastic yet grim, social yet unmistakably self-absorbed, creative yet singularly overpowering. Indeed, he was a unique personality. My condolences & solidarity to Penelope Rosemont, the Chicago group & its affiliates. S?amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 20:58:09 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From Page to Pixel: The Evolution of Online Journals Message-ID: <731bb17a0904151758g2df2d7fbje1fdc918a42a9a8a@mail.gmail.com> >From Page to Pixels: The Evolution of Online Journals Sandra Beasley in *Poets & Writers* Not long ago a friend of mine gave a reading, after which she was approached by the editor of a prestigious print magazine. Admiring one of the poems she had read, he asked if he might include it in a future issue. She was flattered, but explained that the poem had already been published. He asked where, and she told him: a relatively young journal that publishes twice a year?online. "Oh," he said. "Don't worry. That doesn't count." Most of us share the goal of finding a good home for our work. But where is that home nowadays? Where will our work "count" and have the greatest readership and impact? Creative writers stand at the edge of a digital divide. On one side: the traditions of paper. On the other: the lure of the Internet. As glossy magazines die by the dozen and blogs become increasingly influential, we face the reality that print venues?despite their traditional connotations of prestige, permanence, and physical craft?are rapidly ceding ground to Web-based publishing. http://www.pw.org/content/page_pixels_evolution_online_journals Best, Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090415/e518e8a5/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 08:51:13 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] On C.E. Chaffin's Unexpected Light Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904160551p168c3ceq89eecc69fb6aff0f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.lochravenreview.net/2009Spring/george.html -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 04/16/09 08:12:00 From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 19:55:26 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From Page to Pixel: The Evolution of Online Journals In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904151758g2df2d7fbje1fdc918a42a9a8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904151758g2df2d7fbje1fdc918a42a9a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60904161655t1653a2eai1b7dfd06a133c3fe@mail.gmail.com> Old news, but good that it's still reaching out. Go into any bookstore - any - and see how many print literary journals you find. Then go online and see how many online literary journals you find. Factor in potential readership. Duh. - Jim On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >From Page to Pixels: The Evolution of Online Journals > Sandra Beasley in *Poets & Writers* > > Not long ago a friend of mine gave a reading, after which she was > approached by the editor of a prestigious print magazine. Admiring one of > the poems she had read, he asked if he might include it in a future issue. > She was flattered, but explained that the poem had already been published. > He asked where, and she told him: a relatively young journal that publishes > twice a year?online. > > "Oh," he said. "Don't worry. That doesn't count." > > Most of us share the goal of finding a good home for our work. But where is > that home nowadays? Where will our work "count" and have the greatest > readership and impact? Creative writers stand at the edge of a digital > divide. On one side: the traditions of paper. On the other: the lure of the > Internet. As glossy magazines die by the dozen and blogs become increasingly > influential, we face the reality that print venues?despite their traditional > connotations of prestige, permanence, and physical craft?are rapidly ceding > ground to Web-based publishing. > > http://www.pw.org/content/page_pixels_evolution_online_journals > > > > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090416/3b77d77c/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Apr 16 20:02:17 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] From Page to Pixel: The Evolution of Online Journals In-Reply-To: <648208b60904161655t1653a2eai1b7dfd06a133c3fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904151758g2df2d7fbje1fdc918a42a9a8a@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60904161655t1653a2eai1b7dfd06a133c3fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E7C709.6070404@opus40.org> That's why I wonder about those NEH figures about declining poetry readership. I know more people are reading online. James Cervantes wrote: > Old news, but good that it's still reaching out. > > Go into any bookstore - any - and see how many print literary journals > you find. Then go online and see how many online literary journals > you find. Factor in potential readership. Duh. > > - Jim > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jeff Newberry > > wrote: > > >From Page to Pixels: The Evolution of Online Journals > Sandra Beasley in /Poets & Writers/ > > Not long ago a friend of mine gave a reading, after which she was > approached by the editor of a prestigious print magazine. Admiring > one of the poems she had read, he asked if he might include it in > a future issue. She was flattered, but explained that the poem had > already been published. He asked where, and she told him: a > relatively young journal that publishes twice a year?online. > > "Oh," he said. "Don't worry. That doesn't count." > > Most of us share the goal of finding a good home for our work. But > where is that home nowadays? Where will our work "count" and have > the greatest readership and impact? Creative writers stand at the > edge of a digital divide. On one side: the traditions of paper. On > the other: the lure of the Internet. As glossy magazines die by > the dozen and blogs become increasingly influential, we face the > reality that print venues?despite their traditional connotations > of prestige, permanence, and physical craft?are rapidly ceding > ground to Web-based publishing. > > http://www.pw.org/content/page_pixels_evolution_online_journals > > > > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them > parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of > particular people and experience, from which each according to his > own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. > --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Apr 17 07:16:21 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr. Selina Tusitala Marsh Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904170416v7be77dc1nb15f70ba13b7aa41@mail.gmail.com> Dr. Selina Tusitala ("tusitala" means "writer of tales" in Samoan) Marsh [U of Auckland's first Pacific Islander to graduate with a PhD in English], has a poetry and CD collection coming out this month. You can read a very brief biog, one of her poems, as well as see a happy photo of her with other poets here: http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/pasifika/museum.asp Best, Judy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090417/d732f9c1/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 15:18:59 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism Message-ID: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> April 15, 2009 *Geoffrey Hill wins 2009 Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism* "Critical Writings" by Geoffrey Hill, published by the Oxford University Press, is the winner of the 2009 Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism in Memory of Newton Arvin. The $30,000 award -- the largest annual cash prize in English-language literary criticism -- is administered for the Capote Estate by the University of Iowa Writers' Workshop. The entire news release is here: http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2009/april/041509capoteaward.html Jeff Newberry -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090417/e17e27a9/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Apr 17 20:41:52 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award for LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> Which reminds me that I haven't baited the mainstreamers here for a while, so: Logan called Heaney "the most consequent poet of the age" in the latest issue of /The New Criterion/. I immediately thought of Hill, Wilbur, Ashbery and Merwin as his rivals for what I would call "the most consequent mainstream poet of the age." I also thought of Hughes as very similar to Heaney but more "consequent," because more daring, but perhaps he is of the previous age. Heaney may be writing better poems than anyone else, although I don't think so, but he is not consequential--as I define "consequential." He may be a Brahms to Yeats's or Wordsworth's Beethoven, but Brahms, one of my favorite composers, was not aesthetically consequential. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090417/d28af02b/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 21:32:08 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award for LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> But the article I posted was about Geoffrey Hill, not Seamus Heaney . . . Jeff Newberry On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Which reminds me that I haven't baited the mainstreamers here for a while, > so: > > Logan called Heaney "the most consequent poet of the age" in the latest > issue of *The New Criterion*. I immediately thought of Hill, Wilbur, > Ashbery and Merwin as his rivals for what I would call "the most consequent > mainstream poet of the age." I also thought of Hughes as very similar to > Heaney but more "consequent," because more daring, but perhaps he is of the > previous age. > > Heaney may be writing better poems than anyone else, although I don't think > so, but he is not consequential--as I define "consequential." He may be a > Brahms to Yeats's or Wordsworth's Beethoven, but Brahms, one of my favorite > composers, was not aesthetically consequential. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090417/0628b26f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 07:19:42 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award for LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> Jeff Newberry wrote: > But the article I posted was about Geoffrey Hill, not Seamus Heaney . . . Right, Jeff. The mention of yet another Established Genius getting more money reminded me that I'd just read about Heaney and thought of Hill when I did so. That was enough of an excuse to post some more of my boilerplate. But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for those who don't think Heaney is. --Bob --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Apr 18 06:58:47 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:38 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award for LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> Nothing worse than poets getting money. It happens far too often. But it's always good to see Bob joining the great American chorus of contempt for intelligence and accomplishment. Bob Grumman wrote: > Jeff Newberry wrote: >> But the article I posted was about Geoffrey Hill, not Seamus Heaney . >> . . > Right, Jeff. The mention of yet another Established Genius getting > more money reminded me that I'd just read about Heaney and thought of > Hill when I did so. That was enough of an excuse to post some more of > my boilerplate. > > But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most > "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for > those who don't think Heaney is. > > --Bob > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 07:45:02 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award forLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC> > But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most > "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for those > who don't think Heaney is. > > --Bob I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this one -- Heaney is substantial but perhaps not entirely consequent, whatever that means. Though it's easy to see why he's so liked in America, and here -- the Last of the Georgians, though America didn't have a Georgian *Movement, only Robert Frost. (The Southern Agrarians weren't quite the same.) For all of me, I could lose most of Heaney except _North_, where I think he peaks. That's the book of Heaney's that I come back to. Geoffrey Hill is another matter. Though whether even Hill, latest of the Metaphysicals, is doing much more than William Empson once did ... Perhaps the Hundred Year Rule will retrospectively define J.H.Prynne as the Central UK Poet Of Our Time. It took long enough for Blake and Emily Dickinson to be even recognised, after all, though both were unusual in that respect. All three (Heaney, Hill, and Prynne) are "necessary"? (Whatever *that means.) Of course, one could write an Alternate History of Nineteenth Century English Poetry that would elevate Clough and Edward Lear, and lead to Stevie Smith, but that didn't happen, much as W.H.Auden tried to make it so, both by precept [The Oxford book of Light Verse] and practice. Of all sad words of tongue and pen ... -- SBT. "Finally we are defined by our lack of talent." Robin From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 08:03:37 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award forLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com> Nice, and nicely put. Isn't it: "Finally we are condemned by our lack of talent"? Best, Judy 2009/4/18 Robin Hamilton > But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most >> "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for those who >> don't think Heaney is. >> >> --Bob >> > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this one -- Heaney is substantial but > perhaps not entirely consequent, whatever that means. > > Though it's easy to see why he's so liked in America, and here -- the Last > of the Georgians, though America didn't have a Georgian *Movement, only > Robert Frost. (The Southern Agrarians weren't quite the same.) > > For all of me, I could lose most of Heaney except _North_, where I think he > peaks. That's the book of Heaney's that I come back to. > > Geoffrey Hill is another matter. Though whether even Hill, latest of the > Metaphysicals, is doing much more than William Empson once did ... > > Perhaps the Hundred Year Rule will retrospectively define J.H.Prynne as the > Central UK Poet Of Our Time. It took long enough for Blake and Emily > Dickinson to be even recognised, after all, though both were unusual in that > respect. > > All three (Heaney, Hill, and Prynne) are "necessary"? (Whatever *that > means.) > > Of course, one could write an Alternate History of Nineteenth Century > English Poetry that would elevate Clough and Edward Lear, and lead to Stevie > Smith, but that didn't happen, much as W.H.Auden tried to make it so, both > by precept [The Oxford book of Light Verse] and practice. > > Of all sad words of tongue and pen ... -- SBT. > > "Finally we are defined by our lack of talent." > > Robin > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090418/e1029dfe/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 09:40:55 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Award forLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net><4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC> <7db1d01b0904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14C62AA9251C4129A0E9AE5AC58EE7F1@RobinLaptopPC> << Isn't it: "Finally we are condemned by our lack of talent"? ... Judy >> Ouch!!! I thought this would be easy, but google is silent. I *thought the line was from Peter Porter, either from a poem in _The Cost of Seriousness_ or (more likely) _Englsih Subtitles_, but I can't find it, either Judy's or my version, in either volume. Perhaps I made it up, but this strikes me as unlikely. Anyone -- the Birk? -- recognise it? Robin **************************** 2009/4/18 Robin Hamilton But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for those who don't think Heaney is. --Bob I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this one -- Heaney is substantial but perhaps not entirely consequent, whatever that means. Though it's easy to see why he's so liked in America, and here -- the Last of the Georgians, though America didn't have a Georgian *Movement, only Robert Frost. (The Southern Agrarians weren't quite the same.) For all of me, I could lose most of Heaney except _North_, where I think he peaks. That's the book of Heaney's that I come back to. Geoffrey Hill is another matter. Though whether even Hill, latest of the Metaphysicals, is doing much more than William Empson once did ... Perhaps the Hundred Year Rule will retrospectively define J.H.Prynne as the Central UK Poet Of Our Time. It took long enough for Blake and Emily Dickinson to be even recognised, after all, though both were unusual in that respect. All three (Heaney, Hill, and Prynne) are "necessary"? (Whatever *that means.) Of course, one could write an Alternate History of Nineteenth Century English Poetry that would elevate Clough and Edward Lear, and lead to Stevie Smith, but that didn't happen, much as W.H.Auden tried to make it so, both by precept [The Oxford book of Light Verse] and practice. Of all sad words of tongue and pen ... -- SBT. "Finally we are defined by our lack of talent." Robin From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 18 10:12:52 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote AwardforLiteraryCriticism References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net><4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC><7db1d01b0904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com> <14C62AA9251C4129A0E9AE5AC58EE7F1@RobinLaptopPC> Message-ID: <03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49A8B24@SN037832120162> that really +sounds+ Peter Porter-ish, Rob, but I can't identify it either. David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote AwardforLiteraryCriticism > << > Isn't it: "Finally we are condemned by our lack of talent"? > ... > Judy >>> > > Ouch!!! > > I thought this would be easy, but google is silent. > > I *thought the line was from Peter Porter, either from a poem in _The Cost > of Seriousness_ or (more likely) _Englsih Subtitles_, but I can't find it, > either Judy's or my version, in either volume. > > Perhaps I made it up, but this strikes me as unlikely. > > Anyone -- the Birk? -- recognise it? > > Robin > > **************************** > > 2009/4/18 Robin Hamilton > > But I am curious how many at New-Poetry think Heaney is the most > "consequent poet of the age," and what Establishment Genius is for those > who don't think Heaney is. > > --Bob > > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this one -- Heaney is substantial but > perhaps not entirely consequent, whatever that means. > > Though it's easy to see why he's so liked in America, and here -- the Last > of the Georgians, though America didn't have a Georgian *Movement, only > Robert Frost. (The Southern Agrarians weren't quite the same.) > > For all of me, I could lose most of Heaney except _North_, where I think > he peaks. That's the book of Heaney's that I come back to. > > Geoffrey Hill is another matter. Though whether even Hill, latest of the > Metaphysicals, is doing much more than William Empson once did ... > > Perhaps the Hundred Year Rule will retrospectively define J.H.Prynne as > the Central UK Poet Of Our Time. It took long enough for Blake and Emily > Dickinson to be even recognised, after all, though both were unusual in > that respect. > > All three (Heaney, Hill, and Prynne) are "necessary"? (Whatever *that > means.) > > Of course, one could write an Alternate History of Nineteenth Century > English Poetry that would elevate Clough and Edward Lear, and lead to > Stevie Smith, but that didn't happen, much as W.H.Auden tried to make it > so, both by precept [The Oxford book of Light Verse] and practice. > > Of all sad words of tongue and pen ... -- SBT. > > "Finally we are defined by our lack of talent." > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 10:35:55 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman CapoteAwardforLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49A8B24@SN037832120162> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net><4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC><7db1d01b0904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com><14C62AA9251C4129A0E9AE5AC58EE7F1@RobinLaptopPC> <03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49A8B24@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <459F4C86BC6D42A5A27F70F8BDEE8745@RobinLaptopPC> From: "David Bircumshaw" > that really +sounds+ Peter Porter-ish, Rob, but I can't identify it either. Have I reached the stage where I'm channeling Peter Porter? That's worrying ... R. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 11:47:07 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > Nothing worse than poets getting money. It happens far too often. But > it's always good to see Bob joining the great American chorus of > contempt for intelligence and accomplishment. As you too often do, Mole, you ridiculously misread me. Poets should certainly get money. My problem, of course, is with the same old poets constantly getting money while poets superior to them get nothing. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 11:51:42 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman CapoteAwardforLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49A8B24@SN037832120162> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net><4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC><7db1d01b0 904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com><14C62AA9251C4129A0E9AE5AC58EE7F1@RobinLaptopPC> <03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49A8B24@SN037832120162> Message-ID: <49E9F70E.5090903@nut-n-but.net> It should be, "Finally we are condemned by our lack of mediocrity." I may have wronged Hill, though: I have to admit I don't know how much money he's been given. I can't imagine that this is the first time he's gotten money, though. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 11:59:17 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins TrumanCapoteAwardforLiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9F70E.5090903@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net><4FA4DDCA15D74153B961118F6ED4A7DF@RobinLaptopPC><7db1d01b0 904180503w61e39425k7c9f1cc6eeadf7f1@mail.gmail.com><14C62AA9251C4129A0E9AE5AC58EE7F1@RobinLaptopPC><03A5DD8394C94F29960D767FB49 A8B24@SN037832120162> <49E9F70E.5090903@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49E9F8D5.9010501@nut-n-but.net> Bob Grumman wrote: > It should be, "Finally we are condemned by our lack of mediocrity." > > I may have wronged Hill, though: I have to admit I don't know how much > money he's been given. I can't imagine that this is the first time > he's gotten money, though. I ought to add that I should be the last to complain about this state of affairs: My lifetime earnings as a critic approach $500. They may continue, too! --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Apr 18 11:22:57 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins Truman Capote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> I don't really misread you. I just don't think that people like Geoffrey Hill are getting too much money, although I would certainly agree that you and I are not getting enough. Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> Nothing worse than poets getting money. It happens far too often. But >> it's always good to see Bob joining the great American chorus of >> contempt for intelligence and accomplishment. > As you too often do, Mole, you ridiculously misread me. Poets should > certainly get money. My problem, of course, is with the same old > poets constantly getting money while poets superior to them get nothing. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 13:09:00 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins TrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org><49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > I don't really misread you. I just don't think that people like > Geoffrey Hill are getting too much money, although I would certainly > agree that you and I are not getting enough. Okay, I would go along with the idea that people like--I'll leave out Hill because I don't know how much he's gotten from awarders--Ashbery and Merwin are getting too large a percentage of the money (and prizes) that poets are winning. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Apr 18 12:25:03 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins TrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org><49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49E9FEDF.2090308@opus40.org> And as for me, my only response when I hear of a poet getting a cash award is "Good for her/him." Bob Grumman wrote: > TheOldMole wrote: >> I don't really misread you. I just don't think that people like >> Geoffrey Hill are getting too much money, although I would certainly >> agree that you and I are not getting enough. > Okay, I would go along with the idea that people like--I'll leave out > Hill because I don't know how much he's gotten from awarders--Ashbery > and Merwin are getting too large a percentage of the money (and > prizes) that poets are winning. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From junction at earthlink.net Sat Apr 18 14:03:13 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins TrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> Most prizes are given to enhance the reputations of the givers. Big names are better publicity. Mark At 01:09 PM 4/18/2009, you wrote: >TheOldMole wrote: >>I don't really misread you. I just don't think that people like >>Geoffrey Hill are getting too much money, although I would >>certainly agree that you and I are not getting enough. >Okay, I would go along with the idea that people like--I'll leave >out Hill because I don't know how much he's gotten from >awarders--Ashbery and Merwin are getting too large a percentage of >the money (and prizes) that poets are winning. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Apr 18 14:14:12 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill Wins TrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49EA1874.6020106@opus40.org> Mark has it nailed. Mark Weiss wrote: > Most prizes are given to enhance the reputations of the givers. Big > names are better publicity. > > Mark > > At 01:09 PM 4/18/2009, you wrote: >> TheOldMole wrote: >>> I don't really misread you. I just don't think that people like >>> Geoffrey Hill are getting too much money, although I would certainly >>> agree that you and I are not getting enough. >> Okay, I would go along with the idea that people like--I'll leave out >> Hill because I don't know how much he's gotten from awarders--Ashbery >> and Merwin are getting too large a percentage of the money (and >> prizes) that poets are winning. >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 15:54:08 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill WinsTrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org><49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org><49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49EA2FE0.20301@nut-n-but.net> Mark Weiss wrote: > Most prizes are given to enhance the reputations of the givers. Big > names are better publicity. > > Mark Sure. Plus, most prize-givers have no idea who deserves their prize, so give it to someone ratified by some other prize-giver. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Apr 18 17:12:36 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill WinsTrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49EA2FE0.20301@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org><49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org><49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> <49EA2FE0.20301@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49EA4244.4040508@opus40.org> I'm guessing that's less true. Bob Grumman wrote: > Mark Weiss wrote: >> Most prizes are given to enhance the reputations of the givers. Big >> names are better publicity. >> >> Mark > Sure. Plus, most prize-givers have no idea who deserves their prize, > so give it to someone ratified by some other prize-giver. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Apr 18 18:51:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] GeoffreyHill WinsTrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49EA4244.4040508@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com><49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net><731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com><49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org><49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org><49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net><49EA2FE0.20301@nut-n-but.net> <49EA4244.4040508@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49EA597F.3080208@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > I'm guessing that's less true. I can't say I've researched it, but I do notice that it is incredibly rare that a major prize does not go to a Big Name--probably for both reasons. When it doesn't, it's almost always clearly motivated by some form of political correctness. Or, in the case of prizes like the Yale, it goes to a protege of a Big Name. --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 19 01:28:01 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] GeoffreyHill WinsTrumanCapote Awardfor LiteraryCriticism In-Reply-To: <49EA597F.3080208@nut-n-but.net> References: <731bb17a0904171218x6f52c51br7b6dce7c58348d75@mail.gmail.com> <49E921D0.7080104@nut-n-but.net> <731bb17a0904171832r6e5b 1180qc5d06bcdeeafd9c8@mail.gmail.com> <49E9B74E.2010501@nut-n-but.net> <49E9B267.9030806@opus40.org> <49E9F5FB.3000600@nut-n-but.net> <49E9F051.4010101@opus40.org> <49EA092C.1010305@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20090418140200.03a29930@earthlink.net> <49EA2FE0.20301@nut-n-but.net> <49EA4244.4040508@opus40.org> <49EA597F.3080208@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090419012634.039e1d28@earthlink.net> Almost always may be the proper term. Fanny Howe's recent prize is heartening. Mark At 06:51 PM 4/18/2009, you wrote: >TheOldMole wrote: >>I'm guessing that's less true. >I can't say I've researched it, but I do notice that it is >incredibly rare that a major prize does not go to a Big >Name--probably for both reasons. When it doesn't, it's almost >always clearly motivated by some form of political correctness. Or, >in the case of prizes like the Yale, it goes to a protege of a Big Name. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jforjames at aol.com Sun Apr 19 12:55:15 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mendelsohn's Cavafy reviewed by Longenbach Message-ID: <8CB8F26BF11EA76-278-8341@webmail-dh35.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/books/review/Longenbach-t.html Earlier translators have, to varying degrees, rightly emphasized the prosaic flatness of Cavafy?s language; the flatness is crucial to the emotional power of the poems, since it prevents their irony from seeming caustic, their longing from seeming nostalgic. But as Mendelsohn shows, Cavafy?s language was in subtle ways more artificial than we?ve understood. Most important, Cavafy mingled high and low diction, employing both vernacular Greek and a literary Greek invented at the turn of the 19th century. Taking advantage of the fact that English contains words descended not only from German but from Latin roots, Mendelsohn?s translations shift similarly between the lofty and the mundane: I ask myself whether in antique times glorious Alexandria possessed a youth more beauteous, a kid more perfect than he. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"I'm always trying to figure out what God is and why matter exists and whether it contains spirit or not." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090419/a1d06dff/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Apr 19 15:24:49 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:39 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lulu tries to break free from scam Message-ID: <49EB7A81.7070003@opus40.org> Lulu Poetry Separate from Former Scam Site By Lynn Andriani -- Publishers Weekly, 4/16/2009 9:40:00 AM When self-publishing site Lulu announced earlier this week that it had launched a Poetry site at www.Poetry.com , some confusion ensued. That?s because before Lulu bought the domain Poetry.com, it was owned by Watermark Media, which had operated a ?contest? on the site that was largely regarded by the online poetry community as a scam. ?We were aware that there would be questions from people,? said Lulu?s PR director, Gail Jordan. ?We bought the domain, but we didn?t buy the business. We purchased the domain from the secured lender that foreclosed on the asset, which was previously owned by Watermark Media.? Jordan said people have been contacting Lulu with questions about its association with Poetry.com?s former incarnation and that the company is ?trying to be very transparent and be very up-front? about the difference. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com Sun Apr 19 17:19:04 2009 From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Heaney and Capote In-Reply-To: <200904181600.n3IG04a3016120@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200904181600.n3IG04a3016120@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Heaney and Capote: To tell the truth Of all men alive on earth I, only I, met to write them both. Their craniums were possessed Of immense girth. Quick blue-eyed Capote noted my escort's attire, "That hat, my dear, is toff," Then, agile on his feet, he rounded The table and was off. Denim was de rigueur in Colorado; Glenn or Nicole Miller a far away thought. Seamus in a hazy crowd at me came, Sudden, he was just there, hand And eye quickly fired, "Glad You heard me lay my Celtic lyre." Genius is as genius empassions. Who can control the fashions Of how the stars array their seeding? Both poets possessed of consummate breeding. ---- RD _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090419/ecd843de/attachment.html From barrys.alpert at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 19:28:36 2009 From: barrys.alpert at gmail.com (Barry Alpert) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Conceptualism versus Flarf at the Whitney Message-ID: Passing along a tip from Christian Bok: "Watch avant-garde poets go to war at the Whitney Museum": http://ululate.blogspot.com/2009/04/flarf-vs-conceptual-vids.html Barry Alpert www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=74 From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Mon Apr 20 20:04:14 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Conceptualism versus Flarf at the Whitney In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Barry [yrraB sknahT], Gotta give it to Christian Bok, that blue-eyed rapper. He da man! Also, I'd like to see more of da man who adjusted Gary Sullivan's mike. Best, Judy c ululater 2009/4/20 Barry Alpert > Passing along a tip from Christian Bok: > > "Watch avant-garde poets go to war at the Whitney Museum": > > http://ululate.blogspot.com/2009/04/flarf-vs-conceptual-vids.html > > > > Barry Alpert > > www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=74 > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090420/94fed681/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 21 16:15:31 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting up the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? Is there any Certified View of the matter? --Bob From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Apr 21 16:26:22 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <78A5F400270644C09F18F599E8BADA64@win.louisiana.edu> Bob, There are views, but I don't know of their validity, for rhyme (one presumably cannot "hear" the echoic sound of an earlier word when pronouncing a word more than X iambic-pentameter lines away, etc.). So I'm guessing someone has done the same for assonance &c. Have you thought of graphing the caesura positions? I did so with a number of Shakespeare's sonnets long ago (with line number on horizontal grid, with syllable-break number on the vertical) and found lovely wave breaking through the work. skip -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Grumman Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:16 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting up the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? Is there any Certified View of the matter? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From mandolin at mikesnider.org Tue Apr 21 16:40:41 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com> <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904211340w727fc3ddt5fbace1610009c6f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and off > on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet > 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting up > the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. > My question is: how close does one member of a melodation (excluding > end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary > feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? > Is there any Certified View of the matter? > > --Bob > There's certainly no certified view of how close internal rhymes or assonance or the like have to be in order to "count," partly because different readers or listeners will experience them diferently, partly listeners will experience them differently from readers, and partly because it's difficult to judge, without authorial statement, how deliberate they are. There are probably other difficulties as well. But thare certainly things which can influence the decision. 1) If a poem is just full of long vowels, and other words with short vowels would have conveyed the meaning without derailng the rhythmic structure, it's probably at least unconsciously deliberate and it will certainly be part of a practised reader's experience - that is, there may have been no conscious desicion to use long vowels, but after a few got in the piece may have begun to feel or sound a certain way which influenced later choices, including revisions, without the author really being aware of it. And readers and listeners will notice a feel even if they don't notice what that feel is. 2) If the author is known to have claimed such things are part of his or her technique in a particular poem, or is known to have done so for a number of oher poems 3) The sheer number of sound effects can affect whether it seems deliberate or an accident, AND whether or not a reader or listener will notice. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. One way to measure this might be to do a statistical comparison of the piece with several random prose pieces of th same lengh. 4) Also, if there are many instances rather close in rhythmic space, the likelihood of noticing similar effects farther apart increases. "Lots of 'br's here at the begining -- bet that cluster way down at the end was done on purpose." 5) Significant syntactic or structural breaks between a pair of similar sounding things makes it less likely they're significant - unless there's also a syntactic or structural "rhyme" across that break, which makes them more significant. 6) In a metrical poem, sounds in the accented part of the foot will be more strongly linked than sounds in other parts. For instance, in Sonnet 18, "compare thee" and "lovely" appear in the first two lines, but it's almost certainly an accident that both end with unaccentd long 'e's. And neither is probably linked in the reader's mind with the accented "lease" in line 4. 7) Effects involving nouns and verbs or other strong words are more likely to be noticed, and more likely to be deliberate, than effects involving connective words like articles or prepostions - but a series of prepositional phrases (or other connective tissue), such as Lincoln's "of the people, by the people, and for the people," brings them onto prominence. Lots more, Bob, but you get the idea. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/1532d399/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Apr 21 16:41:52 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <78A5F400270644C09F18F599E8BADA64@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: I don't know how odd this is, but there are a number of "variant caesura positions" in the middle of this poem (ll. 6-9, maybe even 5-9). Seems it may be indicative of . . . something ("rhetorical hover"?). Something for you to figure out (or ignore). -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Skip Fox Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views' Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question Bob, There are views, but I don't know of their validity, for rhyme (one presumably cannot "hear" the echoic sound of an earlier word when pronouncing a word more than X iambic-pentameter lines away, etc.). So I'm guessing someone has done the same for assonance &c. Have you thought of graphing the caesura positions? I did so with a number of Shakespeare's sonnets long ago (with line number on horizontal grid, with syllable-break number on the vertical) and found lovely wave breaking through the work. skip -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Grumman Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:16 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting up the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? Is there any Certified View of the matter? --Bob _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 21 18:12:00 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <78A5F400270644C09F18F599E8BADA64@win.louisiana.edu> References: <78A5F400270644C09F18F599E8BADA64@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <49EE44B0.4020304@nut-n-but.net> Skip Fox wrote: > Bob, > > There are views, but I don't know of their validity, for rhyme (one > presumably cannot "hear" the echoic sound of an earlier word when > pronouncing a word more than X iambic-pentameter lines away, etc.). So I'm > guessing someone has done the same for assonance &c. > > > Have you thought of graphing the caesura positions? I did so with a number > of Shakespeare's sonnets long ago (with line number on horizontal grid, with > syllable-break number on the vertical) and found lovely wave breaking > through the work. Hey, excellent suggestion, Skip--for me who never thinks of caesuras. Don't even list them among the attributes of poems, which is dumb. More work, but I'll definitely do it. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 21 18:14:45 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <6768ac830904211340w727fc3ddt5fbace1610009c6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.c om><49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904211340w727fc3ddt5fbace1610009c6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EE4555.3000007@nut-n-but.net> Michael Snider wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on > and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of > Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. > Anyway, I've just finished toting up the number of what I call > "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: > how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) > have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling > is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? > Is there any Certified View of the matter? > > --Bob > > > > > There's certainly no certified view of how close internal rhymes or > assonance or the like have to be in order to "count," partly because > different readers or listeners will experience them diferently, partly > listeners will experience them differently from readers, and partly > because it's difficult to judge, without authorial statement, how > deliberate they are. There are probably other difficulties as well. > > But thare certainly things which can influence the decision. > > 1) If a poem is just full of long vowels, and other words with short > vowels would have conveyed the meaning without derailng the rhythmic > structure, it's probably at least unconsciously deliberate and it will > certainly be part of a practised reader's experience - that is, there > may have been no conscious desicion to use long vowels, but after a > few got in the piece may have begun to feel or sound a certain way > which influenced later choices, including revisions, without the > author really being aware of it. And readers and listeners will notice > a feel even if they don't notice what that feel is. > > 2) If the author is known to have claimed such things are part of his > or her technique in a particular poem, or is known to have done so for > a number of oher poems > > 3) The sheer number of sound effects can affect whether it seems > deliberate or an accident, AND whether or not a reader or listener > will notice. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. One way to measure > this might be to do a statistical comparison of the piece with several > random prose pieces of th same lengh. > > 4) Also, if there are many instances rather close in rhythmic space, > the likelihood of noticing similar effects farther apart increases. > "Lots of 'br's here at the begining -- bet that cluster way down at > the end was done on purpose." > > 5) Significant syntactic or structural breaks between a pair of > similar sounding things makes it less likely they're significant - > unless there's also a syntactic or structural "rhyme" across that > break, which makes them more significant. > > 6) In a metrical poem, sounds in the accented part of the foot will be > more strongly linked than sounds in other parts. For instance, in > Sonnet 18, "compare thee" and "lovely" appear in the first two lines, > but it's almost certainly an accident that both end with unaccentd > long 'e's. And neither is probably linked in the reader's mind with > the accented "lease" in line 4. > > 7) Effects involving nouns and verbs or other strong words are more > likely to be noticed, and more likely to be deliberate, than effects > involving connective words like articles or prepostions - but a series > of prepositional phrases (or other connective tissue), such as > Lincoln's "of the people, by the people, and for the people," brings > them onto prominence. > > Lots more, Bob, but you get the idea. Good thoughts, Michael. One difference of opinion with you: I don't care whether an alliteration, say, is intended or not: for me, if it's there, it's there. Will think at length on other things you've said. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Instead, she cuts out all the pages and replaces them > with beautiful fabric, to transform old books into stylish purses. > > > ------------------------------ > *The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/a255a2fa/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 21 18:51:38 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:40 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com> <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CB90EADD78AF9B-798-1192@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> Bob, one of the things that must make you unique among contemporary poet-critics is the range of your attention: Is there another poet-critic doing such close scrutiny of a canonical sonnet and at the same time promoting vizpoetics? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 4:15 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting up the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? ? Is there any Certified View of the matter?? ? --Bob? ? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/94ba0a9e/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 21 18:54:28 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem of the Week- Dave Smith In-Reply-To: <5A421CBE09774BB796CBAC98DFD7DBE1@SchlueterPC> References: <5A421CBE09774BB796CBAC98DFD7DBE1@SchlueterPC> Message-ID: <8CB90EB4268A82D-798-11B9@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Poem of the Week.org To: andrewmcfadyenketchum@poemoftheweek.org Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:23 pm Subject: Poem of the Week- Dave Smith ? Poem Of The Week?? 04 -05-09? ? ? ? ? Dave Smith Poem Of The Week?? 04 -05-09? ? ? ? ? Dave Smith Briget Pegeen Kelly The Last Morning ? ? Alone in the camp, all others dumb with the humming sleep of the reeds and the dew so thick in their hair it flashes like brilliant insects. I get up and go down to the river. ? The current skeins the bottom stones with pale, early light, the cold flow that cries the sea-borne salmon come, my friend, come and be still. In the earth, tree roots are listening. ? Taking two stones, I pound my shirt like? woman whose knees are slick after long kneeling; the arms float away from me and the chest swells. It is that easy to begin a passage. ? Later I sit naked, clothing the trees with shirt and pants that want wind. It is then across water a wolverine come to drink and a trout dimples the silence like the soul rising.? I ? begin to hear not far away the crash of dammed water and a beaver's bark. I think unaccountably of an early snow, children with black, hungry e yes, men cutting arrows where the elders bud.? ? ? ? Roundhouse Voices ? ?? In full glare of sunlight I came here, man-tall but thin as a pinstripe, and stood outside the rusted fence with its crown of iron thorns while the soot cut into our lungs with tiny diamonds. I walked through houses with my grain-lovely slugger from Louisville that my uncle bought and stood in the sun that made its glove soft on my hand until I saw my chance to crawl under and get past anyone who would demand a badge and a name. The guard hollered that I could get the hell from there quick when I popped in his face like a thief. All I ever wanted to steal was life and you can?t get that easy in the grind of a railyard. You can?t catch me, lardass, I can go left or right good as the Mick, I hummed to him, holding my slugger by the neck for a bunt laid smooth where the coal cars jerked and let me pass between tracks until, in a slide on ash, I fell safe and heard the wheeze of his words: Who the hell are you, kid? I hear them again tonight, Uncle, hard as big brakeshoes, when I lean over your face in the box of silk. The years you spent hobbling from room to room alone crawl up my legs and turn this house to another house, round and black as defeat, where slugging comes easy when you whip the gray softball over the glass diesel globe. Footsteps thump on the stairs like that fat ball against bricks and when I miss I hear you warn me to watch the timing, to keep my eyes on your hand and forget the fence, hearing also that other voice that keeps me out and away from you on a day worth playing good ball. Hearing Who the hell . . . I see myself like a burning speck of cinder come down the hill and through a tunnel of porches like stands, running on deep ash, and I give him the finger, whose face still gleams clear as a B&O headlight, just to make him get up and chase me into a dream of scoring at your feet. At Christmas that guard staggered home sobbing, the thing in his chest tight as a torque wrench. In the summer I did not have to run and now who is the one who dreams of a drink as he leans over tools you kept bright as a first-girl?s promise? I have no one to run from or to, nobody to give my finger as I steal his peace. Uncle, the light bleeds on your gray face like the high barbed-wire shadows I had to get through and maybe you don?t remember you said to come back, to wait and you?d show me the right way to take a hard pitch in the sun that shudders on the ready man. I?m here though this is a day I did not want to see. In the roundhouse the rasp and heel-click of compressors is still, soot lied deep in every greasy fingerprint. I called you from the pits and you did not come up and I felt the fear when I stood on the tracks that are like stars which never lead us into any kind of light and I don8 0t know who?ll tell me now when the guard sticks his blind snoot between us: take off and beat the bastard out. Can you hear him over the yard, grabbing his chest, cry out, Who the goddamn hell are you, kid? I gave him every name in the book, Uncle, but he caught us and what good did all those hours of coaching do? You lie on your back, eyeless forever, and I think how once I climbed to the top of a diesel and stared into that gray roundhouse glass where, in anger, you threw up the ball and made a star to swear at greater than the Mick ever dreamed. It has been years but now I know what followed there every morning the sun came up, not light but the puffing bad-bellied light of words. All day I have held your hand, trying to say back that life, to get under that fence with words I lined and linked up and steamed into a cold room where the illusion of hope means skin torn in boxes and even the finger I give death is words that won?t let us be what we wanted, each one chasing and being chased by dreams in the dark. Words are all we ever were and they did us no damn good. Do you hear that? Do you hear the words that, in oiled gravel, you gave me when you set my feet in the right stance to swing? They are coal-hard and they come in wings and loops like despair not even the Mick could knock out of this room, words softer than the centers of hearts in guards or uncles, words skinned and numbed by too many bricks. I have h ad enough of them and bring them back here where the tick and creak of everything dies in your tiny starlight and I stand down on my knees to cry, Who the hell are you, kid? ? ? Blue Heron ?????????????????????????????? For Betty Adcock ? ? ? Neck like a coathanger unbent, abandoned almost, the look of a closet, patches of cloth, paper, dust, the last steps imagined, gone, no ripple where she stands, gray or blue depending on the slant sun, one of the invisibles, as a friend calls the women poets of the South. Lake flat as paper, the day?s end electric at her feet, steel nerve unturned, turning, eye wide, she prefers to hold her ground alone, six-foot wings, the swift flicking her mouth is--a small, silent lightning. ? ? Dave Smith is the author of seventeen books of poetry, including, most recently, The Wick of Memory: New and Selected Poems, 1970-2000 (Louisiana State University, 2000); Floating on Solitude: Three Volumes of Poetry (University of Illinois, 1996); Fate?s Kite: Poems 1991-1995 (1996); Cuba Night (Quill, 1990); three books of criticism; and two works of fiction. Among Smith?s many honors are fellowships from the John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation and the National Endowment for the Arts, an Award of Excellence from the American Academy and Institute for Arts and Letters, the Prairie Schooner Reade r?s Award, and nominations for the Pulitzer Prize in Poetry, for which he was twice a finalist. Smith is editor of the Southern Messenger Signature Poets series of Louisiana State University Press and for many years was co-editor of Southern Review. He is presently Elliot Coleman Professor of Poetry at Johns Hopkins University and has previously taught at the University of Utah; the State University of New York at Binghamton; the Summer Creative Writing Program at Bennington College in Vermont; the University of Florida; Virginia Commonwealth University, and Louisiana State University. He taught Elizabeth Morgan and Gregory Donovan. ? ? An Interview with Dave Smith ??????????????????????????????????????? -by Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum: Typically, selecting poems to feature is pretty easy: I simple dog-ear the poems I find particularly good in whatever random book of poems I happen to be reading and go from there.? But you were different? you were one of the first poets I was told to read, and, thus, I had countless poems to choose from rather than a more limited selection.? So I decided to think about the qualities I cherish most in your poems and to find a small selection of poems that would, hopefully display them.? This, of course, was an equally difficult task, but I quickly found that in all your poems you20display three main properties that draw me to your work: a love of the world, of the word, and of the transformational power of story telling. Before we go into these poems as individuals, would you mind sharing your thoughts/impressions regarding these properties.? Are they as important to you as they are to me?? Are your ideals for a poem the same as they wee when you were a younger poet or have they changed over time?? That sort of thing? Dave Smith: I don?t think I love the world any more than anyone else. I am not politically very conscious, not acutely given to a social consciousness; I don?t lobby for environmental progress or against shards of broken satellites falling from the sky. The malice and poltroonish behavior of politicians, the corruption of ordinary citizens, the daily evil we know and endure is, well, the world, and I don?t possess the saintly selflessness to love that in abstract form such as Jesus of Nazareth and Al Sharpton do. A part of my temperament is conservative, medieval, belligerent. But I do love the world that is wildly, natively, and idiosyncratically alive, and so resplendent in intense self-hood only the best artists can evoke what James Dickey called ?the little more.? I think every person feels, in best moments, that little more, and wants the power to convey it to another, perhaps even as agent of conserving it. Seamus Heaney refers to the poet as one of the ?venerators.? Musicians venerate; pai nters venerate; film makers and architects venerate. Poets do this with words, their sounds and their bricks. A poet loves the color and texture and weight and airiness, the tensile strength and useless delicacy and wicked weaponry of words.? I love them for all the things they can do but I am uninterested in word games (etymology excepted). I do not work crossword puzzles. I am not dazzled by a poem which merely embeds a surprise word, as so often lights up verse writers. I love words the way a plumber loves quality copper, as? something necessary but having secretive, approachable qualities and uses. There is a story by John Updike in which a plumber, summoned by a man whose old house has problems, crawls with his client into the open space under the house. There the two of them lay on their backs with the plumber?s light playing over intricate joints of copper and lead, the system of flow made visible. The plumber ?reads? what his client cannot decipher yet, which old father made which elbow and juncture, and when, and with what style, quality, and wisdom. Plumbing, in Updike?s metaphor, is transformed into a vital language. The plumber, venerable and disciplined, is now artist, keeping with us the human story complexly layered. Some poets write about the world. Some enact it. My imagination is totemic, even historical. I believe life is random beyond the cause-effects we identify in science, philosophy, religion, even art. Yesterday a few miles from where I sit, a 1 4 year old boy took a grapefruit across the street from his own row house and gave it to an elderly house-bound woman, an errand his mother gave? him. In minutes, coming home, someone, so far unknown, shot him dead. We can adduce the socio-political circumstances, the historical shadows, the likely human configurations that left him bleeding to death before his home steps. We cannot say why life goes this way, not finally, not in that instant, that day, that place. Things happen randomly, awfully. Art, however, is not random. It is potential, an image, and it must have its logic or it is finally useless. I consider every image, every act resonates with statement, perhaps multiple, even contradictory.? The way we know statement is the shape of narrative. We tell ourselves to the world and we tell the world what we know. You called my writing ?transformational? and that seems, upon hearing it, grand. I tell stories, short ones in poetic form, in order to shape life?s options, to enact choices. Poems do many things, as everyone knows. For me, the poem?s primary act is to give pleasure, the next to yield discovery, the next to store what is known. If we spoke of making bread, would you say ?transformational?? Making poems is as vivifying as making bread, as necessary. People who are not poets make poems all the time. But they don?t mark the act, the language, as special; they do not publish. They may be unaware of what they do, it is so habitu al. And, in the poet?s view, they are amateurs, as a woman is who wraps her sink joint with duct tape and hope. What poets do is the work of an elitist, like it or not, but it is not different in kind from what all do. We? express narrative shape in idiosyncratic language to grasp, understand, and express what reveals itself to us. The value of a poem lies in the intensity and durability of what we call, casually, its beauty?but beauty comes either as statement or enactment. I don?t think what lured me to poetry, fundamentals such as I mention here, has changed much from the days when I covertly read poems in serious English courses.. Did I love Hardy?s ?The Darkling Thrush? less when as a college freshman, age 18, than I do today, now aware of forces contingent on the man writing in the last minutes of 1899? I did not understand why I loved it so well, but I loved it then as now. Styles, poetries, I read as a would-be poet could be correlated to changes in how I have written; change comes to anyone who lives and thinks about experience and seeks to make an accounting. Good poets make deliberate choices, hence changes in verbal structure; they also trip into the unexpected. How much change is overt in comparison to change that is less visible? One tree that stands exposed to the light in my front yard grows much more robustly than its nearby twin in another tree?s shadow. Changes are, to me, mysterious and I try to comprehend t hem in poems. You ask if my ?ideals? are the same now as when I was a younger poet. ?Ideals? means thin ice to a poet. I want to write more clearly than I have. I want to display how the world manifests joy, though I do not want to falsify the evidence of my senses. I want a poetry with the solidity and the dreamy vision of a Gabriel Garcia Marquez. I want to be the Michael Jordan of poetry. AMK: You are one of those poets who, it seems to me, is ever-present in his work.? I don?t read ?Roadhouse Voices? and think that Dave Smith isn?t the one talking to me.? Sure, you might have made the whole thing up, and, sure, there?s always some degree of separation between poet and speaker, but you?ve certainly put yourself into this story of life, death, upbringing, hard work, etc?and the result is a certain sort of personality within the lines and within the story itself that I don?t think could exist without Dave Smith the poet as Dave Smith the speaker.? Similarly, now that I look more closely at the most appealing properties of your work (a love of life, language, and stories), it occurs to me that these are properties of a poet rather than of poems themselves, which, many argue, are separate things.? But I?m not so sure this is true?what do you think? DS: There was a man who was a carpenter, teacher, magazinist, real estate developer, bar bon vivant, and Brooklyn resident who was called, and signed documents, by the name Walter Whitman. There was later a visionary dreamer, nurse, poet, sexual myth who was not often seen in any real neighborhood whose name is Walt Whitman. In his great poem ?Song of Myself? he is precisely? ?Walt? and there is little he doesn?t tell you about himself (?that lot of me and all so luscious?), his habits, his details, though much is embedded in the riverine rush of the poem. Many readers have insisted the narrator of that poem is a ?universal I? and not Walter himself. This is what poets mean who say that when we compose we enter a sort of trance, becoming a second self, an ?other.? Then we revert and take out the garbage or attend an Obama rally. The poet is always in and out of the poem you read, two selves. What we may say of the fusion of those selves is surely dangerous, partial, and slippery. The best of what a man or woman is, with cooperation of fate and luck, goes into the poem. I think we readers respond to that character as we would to meeting someone new. Poems attract us by flirtation, often by an erotic signaling. The best engagement is, as Miss Dickinson said, physically evident on the back of your neck.? Is the poem more than adequate? Is the moment auspicious? Well, read more, submerse oneself, as Joseph Conrad says, and judge. Reading is judgment.? We experience another?s story and compare it to our own. We do, i n this sense, transform experience. Thus, too, we become more fully individual selves. AMK: I just love ?The Last Morning.?? It?s a wonderfully simple story of transformation and of the emotional power of that transformation.? But this simplicity is not in and of itself simple.? We have the simplicity of the narrative: ??Alone in the camp?I get up and go down to the river.?? Then there?s the simple beauty of the language: the dew flashing ?like brilliant insects,? the cold water calling to ?the sea-born salmon,? the dimple the trout makes in water ?like the soul rising.?? And, finally, there?s the statement of its simplicity: ?It is that easy to begin a passage.?? But we all know that to experience such a transformation into the past and into the lives of others is no easy task.? The result, I think, is a poem that speaks more to the desire that such a traverse from one life and into another could be so easy?a poem that seems to emit more from dream than from reality.? What do you make of this? DS: It may appall you to hear me say that I did not remember the poem until you mentioned it. I don?t recall having written it, or any circumstances prior to it. The poet Lyn Emmanuel introduced me for a reading not long back by reading part of a poem whose title and author she did not cite. I was astonished to find it I had written20those lines. ?The Last Morning? feels familiar, like a person I once knew, but back so far memory hazes. You read the poem as a dream of desire. I can?t disagree, but all I can say is that I was the person who made the poem, who stood in its saying, in the writer?s tranced self. I cannot claim to know more of it than any reader may know. AMK: What do you think of simplicity in poetry?? Is it something to be suspicious of as a reader?? Is it something to fear as a writer? DS: I don?t think it exists in fact. The term describes the confident, utter, objective quality we feel in some styles. It means a lack of confusion. It may refer to a visionary field where much has been pared away, not offered to the reader; it may mean a decoded sequence of events, a narration of minimal character and subdued or quieted consequence. But what appears simple is never so. Multiples of? factors are prominent: decisions, fields of choice, partiality and contradiction in image, syncopation in rhythm, etc. Every poem is a scene of shadows playing, puppetry. Beyond what may be observed, as Plato says, more operates, and behind that more yet. Language, our only tool, is a calloused set of fingers, as Howard Nemerov once remarked; skin which has had its feel impaired by long and continual usage.? When Updike?s plumber lies down to reveal the flow-chart of pipes and joints, he self-reflexively plays upon simplicity apparent to the least eye and he atten ds to sophisticated, complex engineering. The philosopher Snoopy says ?Happiness is a warm puppy.? Simple. Every child understands. But isn?t happiness the ultimate mystery?? Ask any poet, any country-western musician. The older I get, the more I want a poem to be simultaneously plain and complex, undeniably multiple and singular as a pine cone is. AMK: ?Roundhouse Voices? is a poem that covers an immense landscape of experience. First, we encounter a young man?s rebellion.? Then, we?re told the story of the roadhouse itself as a key aspect of this young man?s upbringing.? Then, we start to see this as a story about memory and death, the language moving us back and forth in time, place, and perspective.? Eventually, we realize that the real story is about the language we use and how, in the face of death, this language changes, which in turn changes how we see ourselves; our relationships with others forever altered, our stories and memories ever-movable.? The result is a poem in which the language transforms from a tool used to tell a story and into an element of the story itself.? What do you think of this reading? DS: Any poet would be delighted to have his or her poem described by your phrase. Wallace Stevens remarks somewhere that every poem is about writing poetry. How could I disagree with the corporate giant, the attorney of prodigiously gifted poems? But your question hides, really, another question, which is, was I deliberately writing about writing poetry when I composed it? Well, no. Then, yes. The poem is a funeral elegy, which you know is a distinct form. ?Lycidas? is such a poem. So is ?When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom?d.? That form, historically, seeks an opportunity to address large, resonant issues. I knew it had something to say about death?s mystery?why we die. In the face of death which we cannot change, what good is any art, any language? The poet views language as active faith. In crisis faith is sorely tested and often appears of no consequence. If language lies, what good is a poem, the instrument of faith? Or the poet, who is priest of this faith? In ?The Roundhouse Voices? I think I tried to compose answers to questions I could not resolve. For the religious believer, faith is its own answer, its own value; it cannot be proven. Perhaps in my poem the speaker seeks to claim what despair seems to prevent. If I am correct ( I am now years away from memory of what I may have meant to do), the poem perhaps attends more to the insufficiency of language than the actual writing of a poetry, even its tiniest decisions. But perhaps they are synonymous. AMK: Can you tell us much about the writing of this poem?? How you managed to combine all of the voices you heard as a poet with the voices of the past and of the speaker and of the various presences within the poem?? No doubt this poem was taxing? 0ADS: Much, as I say, is now lost to my memory. In 1974 I had a dream, a small one. When I woke I remembered an image of a group of men lying head to head, their legs pointed outward so they seemed spokes in a wagon wheel.? I tried but could not make a poem of this image. Perhaps because I knew nothing of the men. My habit is to keep drafts in the drawers of an old desk my sister gave me. When I cannot make a poem live, into a drawer it goes. At some point I bring it forth and try again. This wheel image stayed in for some years, looked at but saying nothing. Then it spoke. Or someone did. There arose a story of a man traveling to the place of ancestors where someone had died. This had happened to me, too. I had grown up in eastern Virginia but my parents were from Cumberland, Maryland, 300 miles and different cultures north. When elders died, my parents drove home for the funerals and I was put in the care of a family member so as not to be gloomed by the experience. My uncle Lloyd, foreman of the B&O roundhouse in Cumberland, sometimes took me for car rides or took me fishing. Once we played softball in that building where train engines came for repair. You can see such a building in Baltimore. The huge engines would rotate on a wonderful hydraulic table, become repaired, then rotate to the door out, and away they would go, redeemed spirits. I recalled that place as having sooted glass ceilings with occasional star-like holes. Uncle Lloyd had probably br oken a rule by letting me into such a secret place, but there was no guard except himself. It was all joy to me. Joy is not easy to write about, as it is not easy to come by. When I began to tell the softball story, I saw the wedges of men were really slots for trains taken into the sanctuary. I saw, too, what I have just implied, the spiritual character of the place which was a conduit for men?s lives. I brought in the story of my uncle training me to swing properly, according to his lights, for a home run. The man mourned was my ?Uncle? Melvin, a lodger who lived with my grandparents for most of his adult life; he happened to be a train engineer, its driver. Somehow I knew this was the single and yet multiple story of my male ancestors, a tribe who failed while doing what they were fated to do, but who might be admired. Without elegy or eulogy or even the least memorial of words. I was the last of them, and the only one who worked in words instead of metal, fire, and faith. Another way to speak of this poem, but presumptuous, is to say it wants to define heroic action even as it presumes heroism changes nothing.? I like to think the poem seeks to know what is heroic in ordinary actions, which is why it asks who we are, individually, what should be our duty, our obligation if we are not to dishonor self and tribe. AMK: ?Roundhouse Voices? is a cool poem to look at, particularly in contrast to ?The Last Morning ? because, while both poems are about transformational experiences, ?Roundhouse Voices? displays in a much more active way how this transformation occurs when language and story collide.? The result is a much more difficult poem to read, at least for me. Since I?ve already asked you about the simplicity of poetry it seems appropriate to ask the same questions of you regarding the hardness of poems. Should we question difficulty when we read poetry?? Should we fear it as writers of poetry? DS: Only if we want readers. Few real poets seek deliberately to be obtuse or vague. Some choose a language whose referential ability is diminished in favor of qualities that may make a different, even better experience, or that simply please the poet. G.M. Hopkins is difficult that way, but he seems less so when we have been taught his mysteries. So, too, Emily Dickinson. The fact is that life is complex and we want language commensurate with that complexity; few of us achieve it.? We settle for a lesser expression. But not less difficult, only less transparent. We know when the water is muddy, but pleasures we struggle for as we try to be clear are compelling. The best writer fears nothing. But awareness is another matter. AMK:? What were your main objectives for ?Roadhouse Voices?? DS: To write a poem I would enjoy reading. To write a poem someone else would enjoy reading. AMK: I first encountered ?Blue Heron? at your reading at The Ro pewalk Writers Retreat in Indiana.? I remember you saying that you didn?t think it was necessarily a very good poem?but then you read it, and I thought it was one of the better poems you read that day.? Looking at it now, I?m still struck by that opening metaphor, the heron?s neck ?like a coathanger unbent? and how it?s followed by a visual description that extends the metaphor throughout the first stanza but that doesn?t take over the entire poem.? Instead, the poem moves onto another metaphor/imagistic moment, its invisibility like a friend?s description of ?the woman poets of / the South,? which moves the poem into a more social/political sort of poem that, I think, is subtle, beautiful, and worth writing. So this has bothered me quite a bit since then because I keep wondering if I?m missing something (which, I must admit, I find myself thinking to myself more and more these days about the poetry I red)? As I write this question, I realize I may be putting you in a bit of a spot, but what do you not like about this poem?? Do you have a problem with social/political poems?? Poems that make an overt statement?? Something else? DS: Sometimes people say things they don?t mean, speaking when nervous or distracted, as I spoke when reading that poem for the first time. I like ?Blue Heron? well enough. It is not for me to say? my poem is good or not good, th ough I may harbor judgments. The reader holds that job. If it has a socio/political expression, I do not object. Poems need to make statements. It is dedicated to Betty Adcock, a fine poet, who once said to me the women poets of the South are ?the invisibles.? She is unquestionably correct. My poem notes that blue herons, though solitary and gentle birds, rarely share territory. They may drive off one of their kind who attempts to intrude in a chosen space. Quiet as they may be, they are formidable when confronted. My poem tries to praise the strength and solitude of the invisibles, which herons mostly are. AMK: What are you working on these days? DS: I used to write relentlessly, hours and hours. Now, as a department chairman, with far less time to be a poet, my poems come more slowly. I no longer have the opportunity to force words to the page, tear them apart, re-type, and forge on. I still write a poem when ti comes. I have published another essay on Whitman, have obligations to write more essays, and am editing with my friend Robert Demott a collection of essays and photographs by writers on their bird-hunting dogs. I have an idea for a fable, maybe a book for my grandsons, maybe something else. I don?t know. I am trying to recover the pleasure of play in writing, which has much to do with entertaining oneself and little to do with the business of being a poet, and publishing, a sad enterprise now. AMK: Thank you. ? ? In Searc h of Poetry, an essay by Jim Duffy? ? As poets go, Dave Smith is not what I expect. He?s more down-to-earth. He?s disarmingly matter-of-fact. Yet this is a two-step Smith performs with an almost formal flair. It?s likely a Southern thing. He doesn?t just come from Tidewater Virginia; he carries the place with him wherever he goes. You can catch Smith showing this off now and again, if you listen for the way he delivers his best punchlines with an extra pinch of drawl. But what is it I expect a poet to be like? Brawling bohemian? Inscrutable intellectual? How the heck would I know? It?s been 20-some years now since I packed away my liberal arts degree and got about the business of life. It?s not like I go to poetry readings. It?s not like I even read poems. Smith is the Elliott Coleman Professor of Poetry and chairman of the Writing Seminars. He came to Hopkins four years ago from Louisiana State University, where he had been the co-editor of the Southern Review. He?s written more than 25 books. He?s won Guggenheim and NEA and Lyndhust fellowships. He?s twice been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. The winter morning I call at his home is uncommonly warm. I find the poet standing outdoors in a rather menial pose, hosing down a fenced-in side patio where the dog likes to roam. He greets me with a wave, then makes his way around front to let me in. Smith pours us coffee, then leads the way upstairs t o the converted bedroom that serves as his office. At the outset, I remind Smith of things I?d already told him in arranging this get-together. I tell him how I?ve lost what connection I had with poetry. I tell him how I suspect the same has happened to lots of other folks going about the business of an adult life. Perhaps, in a meandering talk, he and I might find some little way to spark a reconnection to that literary world? The rest of this story is built from his side of the conversation we had there, with pieces of it pulled out and rearranged into an order designed to unfold in a more reader-friendly way. ? Beginning: The Poet Where to begin? It?s always a difficult matter, isn?t it? I come from a country town, out of a family of people who were not readers?or not conventional readers. We had two magazines in our house: Sports Illustrated and Hot Rod. I studied those things as a boy. Looking back now, I can see that those magazines had something in common?a high degree of figurative and imaginative language. Think about it. Such language is absolutely necessary in articles on tri-carburetion and high-lift camshafts. Anybody who?s followed Sports Illustrated over the years knows about its incendiary level of vocabulary and diction. Those magazines are probably where my initial attraction to language comes from. I didn?t have a clue what college was all about. Nobody in my family had been to college. But I decided=2 0to go off to the University of Virginia. The amazing thing to me from the very first day was how people were constantly telling you what you could do instead of what you couldn?t do. I?m writing a paper I?ve got to deliver at Oxford next week on Walt Whitman, so I?m thinking of Whitman?s famous lines: ?Unscrew the locks from the doors! Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs!? It was like that, a complete revelation that life could be different. And I found poetry. But poetry to me was so frightening at first that I did everything I could to avoid it. It always seemed that my fellow students had the answers, and I didn?t. I graduated in 1965. Vietnam was incip?ient. I thought I might go to law school. But my father had died, my mother had remarried, and there was no money. Then I was drafted. I had signed up to go through Officer Training School, but I was going to be drafted before I could get a space in class. That?s the military for you. The draft board said I should find a high school teaching deferment. I must have called 20 high schools that didn?t need an English teacher. At the last minute a small high school in Virginia asked me if I could teach French. ?Sure!? Then they asked if I could coach football. ?Absolutely!? Actually, I had played football in high school. It was in this period that I met the woman who would become my wife. Suddenly I di dn?t want to go into officer training school. So I stayed on teaching. In my second year there, I started to write poetry. I have no idea why this happened. I do know that it was bad poetry. ? Beginning: The Poem There is one poem that I guess I could talk about. It?s illustrative of things I care about in my poetry. Maybe this is an immodest thing to say. Maybe it?s something I don?t really know how to say. So I?ll put it this way: This is the most famous of my poems. My mother thinks so, anyway. It?s called ?The Roundhouse Voices? Who am I? That?s always the big question in poetry. Whitman wrote ?Song of Myself.? He didn?t write ?Song of Yourself.? Now, let?s admit that less enthusiastic readers from the beginning have said, ??Song of Myself?? Isn?t that a little egotistical?? And it is, except to say that all he?s trying to say is what we?re all trying to say: Who am I? Sometimes, I think about it like this. I?m not good at parties. I always kind of stand off against the side and wait for people to come up, and the whole time I?m thinking, ?What am I going to say to this guy?? And then what I say is: ?Where you from?? That is to say: Who are you? Who are your people? It?s the most fundamental question, even when you make it sound like you?re asking how the w eather is. This is how we orient ourselves, by saying who my people are and where my people are from. This is what you?re always doing in poetry, trying to orient yourself in a world of flux and mystery. My parents were born and raised in Cumberland, Maryland. My grand?father worked there for the B&O Railroad as a foreman of the backhouse. My Uncle Lloyd, his brother, was the foreman of the roundhouse. Later, after the Depression, my grand?father came to Baltimore for a while and then went down to Portsmouth, Virginia. This was about the time my mother was graduating from high school. She went with him. My father followed her. So I was born in Tidewater Virginia, 300 miles from Cumberland. When people in the family would die off, my grandfather and my mother and my father would go by car back to Cumberland for funerals. They would take me along. I was quite a young boy for some of this, so often enough, someone would be detailed to take me out to the roundhouse and look at trains. My Uncle Lloyd, he?d actually bring a softball, and we?d throw it back and forth in the roundhouse. In my memory, this roundhouse is a huge building. I don?t think it was all that huge, actually, but the imagination remembers things figuratively rather than literally. I remember a glass ceiling. The glass was all sooted over, yet it had holes in it through which the light would shine like stars. To me, this seemed magical. That my uncle was in charge of it, this seemed like another world. It?s funny, how ?The Roundhouse Voices? came. I had had a dream of six men lying head to head like spokes to a wheel. I didn?t know the men. I didn?t know why I saw them. Only, there they were. I wrote a poem of 22 lines around this. It didn?t work. I put it in my desk drawer. I thought I?d come back to it. ? Becoming: The Poet This is one thing you wouldn?t expect about the world of poetry: People tend to be almost abjectly generous to those coming up. I was still on a deferment when I went off to graduate school at Southern Illinois University. I lived in St. Louis, which had a very active poetry community. Don Finkel was a poet there at Washington University who was publishing at the top level of American poetry. I had never heard of him. But I went to a reading of his one night, and then I decided to call him up. I?m a 22-year-old student, saying, ?Can I have lunch with you?? He talked to me that day for at least two-and-a-half hours. His generosity was overwhelming. Eventually, I reached the end of my deferments, and I was drafted. I thought, ?Well, I?ll give this poetry foolishness up now.? I went into the Air Force, and I was stationed in the finance office at Langley Air Force base, three miles from where I?d coached high school football. It was my home country. That was some mitigation for the horrors of being in the20military. I found myself in a world where any real connection with the arts is very unlikely, but I began to read and write poetry at night. I used the local library in an interesting way. I?d go down the aisles, looking for the thin books. Thin books are either poems or plays. If it was a play, I?d put it back. I had a small book published as I was getting out of the Air Force. I didn?t even understand the difference then between big presses and little presses or serious ones and garage ones. Some guy in Pennsylvania accepted the book, and for a week I was elated. But I was moving so fast at this point, making such rapid gains. Almost in a mat?ter of days I started to see how bad my book was. I tried to get it back from the guy, but he wouldn?t give it back. It wasn?t published in that many numbers, and in the end, I owned most of the copies. I suspect there are some still out there, though. If I see one now, I buy it and hide it away. I was back in graduate school after that. I went for a year, then dropped out and taught at little colleges, then went back and finished my PhD at Ohio University in 1976. I published two books during that time, but I continued not to think of myself as a poet who had any right to be on the big national stage. Then I wrote a poem called ?Cumberland Station.? It was a funeral elegy about my Uncle Melvin. He?d been a diesel engineer. The poem was ab out the old Queen City Railroad Station, which again I remember as being a very imposing building with this huge set of stairs that you walked up, and then there was this glistening, almost senatorial marble floor. It was very like a church. When I started writing this, I hadn?t been back to Cumberland in more than 20 years. I don?t know what I was trying to do in it, just say something about a place that I missed and the life that was there and how I had been disconnected from it and all that. When I got done, this felt to me like the first real poem I had ever written. My next book was called Cumberland Station. When it was published, what I heard was great silence. That?s usually the way it goes. A friend of mine said once that publishing a book is like spitting in the ocean and listening for the echo. Then one day I got a letter from Professor Helen Vendler at Harvard. She said she was reviewing my book, and she enclosed a copy of the review. It was very laudatory. I knew enough about who Helen Vendler was to know that this was a real signature of approval. It felt like a higher power saying, ?Okay, you can join up now.? That was very releasing for me, in a strange and powerful way. But it gave me a big head. I had to work through that. It?s a hard thing to learn, that you really are better off as a writer if you just pay attention to the writing. We?re all human. There?s gratification in publ ishing, in getting the notices, in getting the prizes. When I work with good students, I try to tell them how, ultimately, the gratification is in the doing of the work. Once a poem is finished, it really has nothing much to do with you anymore. You have to learn a distancing. It?s the same as it is with a potter. He makes a pot. He sells it. He doesn?t know where it goes from there. He doesn?t care. He?s too busy making the next pot. ? Becoming: The Poem ?The Roundhouse Voices? should have been in Cumberland Station, with the other railroad poems. But it didn?t come until maybe a year later. It came in a funny way. I kept taking it out of that drawer I?d put it in and looking at it. I did this over the course of 11 years. It?s not like I was writing it every day, but I have enough drafts of it to show you that I was active on it during each of those years. The whole time, it wouldn?t go anywhere. Then the memory of my uncle taking me out to the roundhouse and playing softball came to me. I started trying to integrate that with the original image of the spokes, but the whole thing with the spokes just fell away. It was like a door I went through, that?s all. You have to let the language seduce you. You have to let it flow along to a point where it opens up. ?Hey, I didn?t know I was writing about that!? Sylvia Plath has a poem where she talks ab out throwing the reins of the horse onto the horse?s neck and just letting the horse run. Sometimes, you let the poem take you. There?s a danger in that, too. It leads to the romantic idea of the visionary, the seer who simply takes what comes. That can be as bad for a poem as over-determining it. The poet Robert Haas has an essay in which he talks about the way every poem is both an act of listening and an act of making. The difficult part here is that the proportion varies with every poem. In one poem, you listen x amount and make y amount. In the next one, those amounts might be reversed. Sometimes you have to labor harder to get a piece done. Sometimes it just comes to you. I realized I was writing another funeral elegy. This one was about my Uncle Lloyd and how he had taken me to the roundhouse. At some point I put a guard around the roundhouse. You couldn?t get to it without passing this guard, and he?s asking questions: ?Who are you?? So we?re back to that big question in poetry, right? The roundhouse never had a guard when I was there. Where did this come from? Well, my father and virtually everybody else I knew in Virginia worked for the military or the government. Just to get in the gate on the way to work, you had to get past a Marine. Every place was secret and guarded. Somehow, I transposed that to the roundhouse. This made it a place with some kind of secret about it, a place where something20trans?formative was going to happen. Robert Penn Warren is my poetic hero. A great deal of what I know, I?ve borrowed from him. He was speaking of the novelist Joseph Conrad when he said that a work of literary art is a laboratory, in which character is tested and re-tested, in which you submit people to certain circumstances and see if they will behave as you expect them to. When I first read this, I thought, ?Well, that?s sort of baloney, isn?t it?? But with true neutrality of imagination, it?s exactly right. These characters don?t behave the way you expect them to. It?s like the answer is in there, some?where. It?s in this set of circumstances. It?s in these characters. But the fact is, when you?re in the middle of writing, you don?t know what the answer is. Now if I?m a literary critic I can sit back with ?The Roundhouse Voices? and say, ?Ah, you?re writing about the Virgilian guide, the man who takes you to the land of the dead and brings you back.? Or I can say, ?This is like Jesus in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights.? But I didn?t think about all that stuff. All I was doing was telling a story about going to the roundhouse with my Uncle Lloyd. ? Being: The Poet People always say, ?Well, what do you write about?? I don?t have a clue. I don?t know what I?m writing about until I=2 0see what I?ve written. You know, a student once said to me, ?Why does Robert Frost always write about birch trees?? I said, ?Well, what kind of trees would you write about?? He said, ?Pine trees.? I said, ?Well, Frost writes about birch trees because he lives where birches are.? Some of what you write about is given to you, by virtue of life. Some of it is chosen. But you can?t set out to make a poem say something didactic or polemic. You?d be better off writing a sermon or an editorial. The things that poetry talks about are very common human experiences. Certainly you can portray these things in novels, in movies, in songs. But I?m not sure that anything can deal with them as nakedly and with as much resonance as a great poem can. Literary pundits are forever saying poetry isn?t important anymore, that there are no readers, blah, blah, blah. But when we most want to say something pithy and smart?when we?re giving a talk at church or giving a toast?we go to a poem. Either instinctively or because of the way we?ve been taught, we know that a poem represents language at its most compressed, at its most volatile, at its most emotional, and in its wisest form. That feeling people have about poetry, it hasn?t gone away. I think people still hunger for poems. It?s come to me after 35 years that I am a poet. But it?s also come to me that no matter what, I would have been a teacher. I have a son who?s a lawyer and who hates the law. He whines about it daily. In light of that, I?ve been thinking how there have been times when I wasn?t pleased with my colleagues and times when they weren?t pleased with me. There have been rough patches. But there has never been a single day when I regretted being a teacher. The first thing I can give students is confidence. I?m fairly brutal in my workshops. But I can only be that way after I have given them the confidence to know that they can be good, that I?m telling them the truth in appreciation of what we both know they can do. They need to be willing to take the risks of failure and to know in advance that however they fail, there will still be a chance to succeed beyond that moment of failure. That?s something I had to learn the hard way. ? Being: The Poem I was a long time in getting aware that what I had written in ?The Roundhouse Voices? was, in a way, like a ?Song of Myself.? Only it was in a funeral elegy. It had to do with my family, with railroad life, with Appalachian culture. It had to do with what it means to be Southern and with the slow dying out of that Southern culture of manners, this idea of appropriate and decorous behavior. All of that is brought into the poem, I think. And what you discover at the end is that the speaker who says at the end of the=2 0poem, ?Who the hell are you, kid???this time, it?s the kid saying it. He?s standing outside. The funeral is over. The man is dead. But he feels like he?s still not prepared to answer that question. I think this particular poem has layers of resonance that I just haven?t managed in other poems. People have said to me, ?Why don?t you write another poem like that?? Well, hell, I?d write ?em every day if I could! But you know, it?s not like you get the formula down and then you just stamp them out, one after the other. Jim Duffy is a writer based in Cambridge, Maryland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/56846043/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Apr 21 19:58:28 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:41:08 PM Central Daylight Time, mandolin@mikesnider.org writes: > > >> As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on and >> off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of Shakespeare's >> "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, I've just finished toting >> up the number of what I call "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, >> etc. My question is: how close does one member of a melodation >> (excluding end-rhymes) have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary >> feeling is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? >> Is there any Certified View of the matter? >> > One thing I've always liked about this one is how the sentences expand in the first 8 lines. 1 question 1 statement 2 compound sentence 4 longer compound sentence As far as the number of lines per sentence is concerned. Very geometrical. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/0b081d8f/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Tue Apr 21 20:24:27 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:41 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Another future for the book In-Reply-To: <8CB90E7A4A64DDF-798-1061@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB90E7A4A64DDF-798-1061@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904211724h6c9d14b0w6ba504a6ffbd0649@mail.gmail.com> Does she recycle the pages in laminate? Does she use the pages' bits, at the very least, for collage-cards or scrapbook pages? I get the beauty of what she's doing, but it seems tragic to let any text perish [except for some of my old poems, natch]. Best, Judy 2009/4/21 > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103327927 > > Caitlin Phillips goes through 500 to 750 books every year. But not because > she's a speed reader. Instead, she cuts out all the pages and replaces them > with beautiful fabric, to transform old books into stylish purses. > > > ------------------------------ > *The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Judy in Tidewater VA 2009/4/21 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poem of the Week.org > To: andrewmcfadyenketchum@poemoftheweek.org > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:23 pm > Subject: Poem of the Week- Dave Smith > > > *Poem Of The Week 04 -05-09 * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *Dave Smith * > Briget Pegeen Kelly > The Last Morning > > > Alone in the camp, all others dumb > with the humming sleep of the reeds > and the dew so thick in their hair > it flashes like brilliant insects. > I ge t up and go down to the river. > > The current skeins the bottom stones > with pale, early light, the cold flow > that cries the sea-borne salmon > come, my friend, come and be still. > In the earth, tree roots are listening. > > Taking two stones, I pound my shirt > like woman whose knees are slick > after long kneeling; the arms float > away from me and the chest swells. > It is that easy to begin a passage. > > Later I sit naked, clothing the trees > with shirt and pants that want wind. > It is then across water a wolverine > come to drink and a trout dimples > the silence like the soul rising. I > > begin to hear not far away the crash > of dammed water and a beaver's bark. > I think unaccountably of an early snow, > children with black, hungry eyes, men > cutting arrows where the elders bud. > > > > Roundhouse Voices > > > In full glare of sunlight I came here, man-tall but thin > as a pinstripe, and stood outside the rusted fence > with its crown of iron thorns while > the soot cut into our lungs with tiny diamonds. > I walked through houses with my grain-lovely slugger > from Louisville that my uncle bought and stood > in the sun that made its glove soft on my hand > until I saw my chance to crawl under and get past > anyone who would demand a badge and a name. > The guard hollered that I could get the hell from there quick > when I popped in his face like a thief. All I ever wanted > to steal was life and you can?t get that easy > in the grind of a railyard. You can?t catch me, > lardass, I can go left or right good as the Mick, > I hummed to him, holding my slugger by the neck > for a bunt laid smooth where the coal cars > jerked and let me pass between tracks > until, in a slide on ash, I fell safe and heard > the wheeze of his words: Who the hell are you, kid? > I hear them again tonight, Uncle, hard as big brakeshoes, > when I lean over your face in the box of silk. The years > you spent hobbling from room to room alone crawl > up my legs and turn this house to another > house, round and black as defeat, where slugging > comes easy when you whip the gray softball over > the glass diesel globe. Footsteps thump on the stairs > like that fat ball against bricks and when I miss > I hear you warn me to watch the timing, to keep > my eyes on your hand and forget the fence, > hearing also that other voice that keeps me out and away > from you on a day worth playing good ball. Hearing > Who the hell . . . I see myself like a burning speck > of cinder come down the hill and through a tunnel > of porches like stands, running on deep ash, > and I give him the finger, whose face still gleams > clear as a B&O headlight, just to make him get up > and chase me into a dream of scoring at your feet. > At Christmas that guard staggered home sobbing, > the thing in his chest tight as a torque wrench. > In the summer I did not have to run and now > who is the one who dreams of a drink as he leans over > tools you kept bright as a first-girl?s promise? I > have no one to run from or to, nobody to give > my finger as I steal his peace. Uncle, the light > bleeds on your gray face like the high barbed-wire > shadows I had to get through and maybe you don?t remember > you said to come back, to wait and you?d show me > the right way to take a hard pitch > in the sun that shudders on the ready man. I?m here > though this is a day I did not want to see. In the roundhouse > the rasp and heel-click of compressors is still, > soot lied deep in every greasy fingerprint. > I called you from the pits and you did not come up > and I felt the fear when I stood on the tracks > that are like stars which never lead us > into any kind of light and I don?t know who?ll > tell me now when the guard sticks his blind snoot > between us: take off and beat the bastard out. > Can you hear him over the yard, grabbing his chest, > cry out, Who the goddamn hell are you, kid? > I gave him20every name in the book, Uncle, but he caught us > and what good did all those hours of coaching do? > You lie on your back, eyeless forever, and I think > how once I climbed to the top of a diesel and stared > into that gray roundhouse glass where, in anger, > you threw up the ball and made a star > to swear at greater than the Mick ever dreamed. > It has been years but now I know what followed there > every morning the sun came up, not light > but the puffing bad-bellied light of words. > All day I have held your hand, trying to say back that life, > to get under that fence with words I lined > and linked up and steamed into a cold room > where the illusion of hope means skin torn in boxes > and even the finger I give death is words > that won?t let us be what we wanted, each one > chasing and being chased by dreams in the dark. > Words are all we ever were and they did us > no damn good. Do you hear that? > Do you hear the words that, in oiled gravel, you gave me > when you set my feet in the right stance to swing? > They are coal-hard and they come in wings > and loops like despair not even the Mick > could knock out of this room, words softer > than the centers of hearts in guards or uncles, > words skinned and numbed by too many bricks. > I have had enough of them and bring them back h ere > where the tick and creak of everything dies > in your tiny starlight and I stand down > on my knees to cry, Who the hell are you, kid? > > > Blue Heron > For Betty Adcock > > > > Neck like a coathanger unbent, abandoned > almost, the look of a closet, > patches of cloth, paper, dust, the last > steps imagined, gone, > > no ripple where she stands, gray or blue > depending on the slant sun, one > of the invisibles, as a friend > calls the women poets of > > the South. Lake flat as paper, the day?s end > electric at her feet, steel nerve unturned, > turning, eye wide, she prefers > to hold her ground > > alone, six-foot wings, the swift flicking > her mouth is--a small, silent lightning.* > * > * * > ** > *Dave Smith* is the author of seventeen books of poetry, including, most > recently, *The Wick of Memory: New and Selected Poems, 1970-2000*(Louisiana State University, 2000); > *Floating on Solitude: Three Volumes of Poetry* (University of Illinois, > 1996); *Fate?s Kite: Poems 1991-1995* (1996); *Cuba Night* (Quill, 1990); > three books of criticism; and two works of fiction. Among Smith?s many > honors are fellowships from the John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation > and the National Endowment for the Arts, an Award of Excellence from the > American Academy and Institute for Arts and Letters, the *Prairie Schooner > * Reader?s Award, and nominations for the Pulitzer Prize in Poetry, for > which he was twice a finalist. Smith is editor of the Southern Messenger > Signature Poets series of Louisiana State University Press and for many > years was co-editor of *Southern Review*. He is presently Elliot Coleman > Professor of Poetry at Johns Hopkins University and has previously taught at > the University of Utah; the State University of New York at Binghamton; the > Summer Creative Writing Program at Bennington College in20Vermont; the > University of Florida; Virginia Commonwealth University, and Louisiana State > University. He taught Elizabeth Morgan and Gregory Donovan. > > > An Interview with Dave Smith > -by Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum > > > *Andrew McFadyen-Ketchum: Typically, selecting poems to feature is pretty > easy: I simple dog-ear the poems I find particularly good in whatever random > book of poems I happen to be reading and go from there. But you were > different? you were one of the first poets I was told to read, and, thus, I > had countless poems to choose from rather than a more limited selection. > > So I decided to think about the qualities I cherish most in your poems and > to find a small selection of poems that would, hopefully display them. > This, of course, was an equally difficult task, but I quickly found th at in > all your poems you display three main properties that draw me to your work: > a love of the world, of the word, and of the transformational power of story > telling. > > Before we go into these poems as individuals, would you mind sharing your > thoughts/impressions regarding these properties. Are they as important to > you as they are to me? Are your ideals for a poem the same as they wee when > you were a younger poet or have they changed over time? That sort of thing? > * > > Dave Smith: I don?t think I love the world any more than anyone else. I am > not politically very conscious, not acutely given to a social consciousness; > I don?t lobby for environmental progress or against shards of broken > satellites falling from the sky. The malice and poltroonish behavior of > politicians, the corruption of ordinary citizens, the daily evil we know and > endure is, well, the world, and I don?t possess the saintly selflessness to > love that in abstract form such as Jesus of Nazareth and Al Sharpton do. A > part of my temperament is conservative, medieval, belligerent. But I do love > the world that is wildly, natively, and idiosyncratically alive, and so > resplendent in intense self-hood only the best artists can evoke what James > Dickey called ?the little more.? > > I think every person feels, in best moments, that little more, and wants > the power to convey it to another, perhaps even as agent of conserving it. > Seamus Heaney refers to the poet as one of the ?venerators.? Musicians > venerate; painters venerate; film makers and architects venerate. Poets do > this with words, their sounds and their bricks. A poet loves the color and > texture and weight and airiness, the tensile strength and useless delicacy > and wicked weaponry of words. I love them for all the things they can do > but I am uninterested in word games (etymology excepted). I do not work > crossword puzzles. I am not dazzled by a poem which merely embeds a surprise > word, as so often lights up verse writers. I love words the way a plumber > loves quality copper, as something necessary but having secretive, > approachable qualities and uses. There is a story by John Updike in which a > plumber, summoned by a man whose old house has problems, crawls with his > client into the open space under the house. There the two of them lay on > their backs with the plumber?s light playing over intricate joints of copper > and lead, the system of flow made visible. The plumber ?reads? what his > client cannot decipher yet, which old father made which elbow and juncture, > and when, and with what style, quality, and wisdom. Plumbing, in Updike?s > metaphor, is transformed into a vital language. The plumber, venerable and > disciplined, is now artist, keeping with us the human story complexly > layered. > > Some poets write about the world. Some enact it. My imagination is totemic, > even historical. I believe life is random beyond the cause-effects we > identify in science, philosophy, religion,=2 0even art. Yesterday a few > miles from where I sit, a 14 year old boy took a grapefruit across the > street from his own row house and gave it to an elderly house-bound woman, > an errand his mother gave him. In minutes, coming home, someone, so far > unknown, shot him dead. We can adduce the socio-political circumstances, the > historical shadows, the likely human configurations that left him bleeding > to death before his home steps. We cannot say why life goes this way, not > finally, not in that instant, that day, that place. Things happen randomly, > awfully. Art, however, is not random. It is potential, an image, and it must > have its logic or it is finally useless. > > I consider every image, every act resonates with statement, perhaps > multiple, even contradictory. The way we know statement is the shape of > narrative. We tell ourselves to the world and we tell the world what we > know. You called my writing ?transformational? and that seems, upon hearing > it, grand. I tell stories, short ones in poetic form, in order to shape > life?s options, to enact choices. Poems do many things, as everyone knows. > For me, the poem?s primary act is to give pleasure, the next to yield > discovery, the next to store what is known. If we spoke of making bread, > would you say ?transformational?? Making poems is as vivifying as making > bread, as necessary. People who are not poets make poems all the time. But > they don?t mark the act, the language, as special; they do not p ublish. > They may be unaware of what they do, it is so habitual. And, in the poet?s > view, they are amateurs, as a woman is who wraps her sink joint with duct > tape and hope. What poets do is the work of an elitist, like it or not, but > it is not different in kind from what all do. We express narrative shape in > idiosyncratic language to grasp, understand, and express what reveals itself > to us. The value of a poem lies in the intensity and durability of what we > call, casually, its beauty?but beauty comes either as statement or > enactment. > > I don?t think what lured me to poetry, fundamentals such as I mention here, > has changed much from the days when I covertly read poems in serious English > courses.. Did I love Hardy?s ?The Darkling Thrush? less when as a college > freshman, age 18, than I do today, now aware of forces contingent on the man > writing in the last minutes of 1899? I did not understand why I loved it so > well, but I loved it then as now. Styles, poetries, I read as a would-be > poet could be correlated to changes in how I have written; change comes to > anyone who lives and thinks about experience and seeks to make an > accounting. Good poets make deliberate choices, hence changes in verbal > structure; they also trip into the unexpected. How much change is overt in > comparison to change that is less visible? One tree that stands exposed to > the light in my front yard grows much more robustly than its nearby twin in > another tree9s shadow. Changes are, to me, mysterious and I try to > comprehend them in poems. > > You ask if my ?ideals? are the same now as when I was a younger poet. > ?Ideals? means thin ice to a poet. I want to write more clearly than I have. > I want to display how the world manifests joy, though I do not want to > falsify the evidence of my senses. I want a poetry with the solidity and the > dreamy vision of a Gabriel Garcia Marquez. I want to be the Michael Jordan > of poetry. > > *AMK: You are one of those poets who, it seems to me, is ever-present in > his work. I don?t read ?Roadhouse Voices? and think that Dave Smith isn?t > the one talking to me. Sure, you might have made the whole thing up, and, > sure, there?s always some degree of separation between poet and speaker, but > you?ve certainly put yourself into this story of life, death, upbringing, > hard work, etc?and the result is a certain sort of personality within the > lines and within the story itself that I don?t think could exist without > Dave Smith the poet as Dave Smith the speaker. > > Similarly, now that I look more closely at the most appealing properties of > your work (a love of life, language, and stories), it occurs to me that > these are properties of a poet rather than of poems themselves, which, many > argue, are separate things. > > But I?m not so sure this is true?what do you think?* > > DS: There was a man who was a carpenter, teacher, magazinist, real estate > developer, bar bon vivant, and Brooklyn resident who was called, and signed > documents, by the name Walter Whitman. There was later a visionary dreamer, > nurse, poet, sexual myth who was not often seen in any real neighborhood > whose name is Walt Whitman. In his great poem ?Song of Myself? he is > precisely ?Walt? and there is little he doesn?t tell you about himself > (?that lot of me and all so luscious?), his habits, his details, though much > is embedded in the riverine rush of the poem. Many readers have insisted the > narrator of that poem is a ?universal I? and not Walter himself. This is > what poets mean who say that when we compose we enter a sort of trance, > becoming a second self, an ?other.? Then we revert and take out the garbage > or attend an Obama rally. The poet is always in and out of the poem you > read, two selves. What we may say of the fusion of those selves is surely > dangerous, partial, and slippery. The best of what a man or woman is, with > cooperation of fate and luck, goes into the poem. I think we readers respond > to that character as we would to meeting someone new. Poems attract us by > flirtation, often by an erotic signaling. The best engagement is, as Miss > Dickinson said, physically evident on the back of your neck.? Is the poem > more than adequate? Is the moment auspicious? Well, read more, submerse > oneself, as Joseph Conrad says , and judge. Reading is judgment. We > experience another?s story and compare it to our own. We do, in this sense, > transform experience. Thus, too, we become more fully individual selves. > > *AMK: I just love ?The Last Morning.? It?s a wonderfully simple story of > transformation and of the emotional power of that transformation. > > But this simplicity is not in and of itself simple. We have the simplicity > of the narrative: ??Alone in the camp?I get up and go down to the river.? > Then there?s the simple beauty of the language: the dew flashing ?like > brilliant insects,? the cold water calling to ?the sea-born salmon,? the > dimple the trout makes in water ?like the soul rising.? And, finally, > there?s the statement of its simplicity: ?It is that easy to begin a > passage.? > > But we all know that to experience such a transformation into the past and > into the lives of others is no easy task. The result, I think, is a poem > that speaks more to the desire that such a traverse from one life and into > another could be so easy?a poem that seems to emit more from dream than from > reality. What do you make of this?* > > DS: It may appall you to hear me say that I did not remember the poem until > you mentioned it. I don?t recall having written it, or any circumstances > prior to it. The poet Lyn Emmanuel introduced me for a reading not long back > by reading part of a poem whose title and author she did not cite. I was > astonished to find it I had written those lines. ?The Last Morning? feels > familiar, like a person I once knew, but back so far memory hazes. You read > the poem as a dream of desire. I can?t disagree, but all I can say is that I > was the person who made the poem, who stood in its saying, in the writer?s > tranced self. I cannot claim to know more of it than any reader may know. > > *AMK: What do you think of simplicity in poetry? Is it something to be > suspicious of as a reader? Is it something to fear as a writer?* > > DS: I don?t think it exists in fact. The term describes the confident, > utter, objective quality we feel in some styles. It means a lack of > confusion. It may refer to a visionary field where much has been pared away, > not offered to the reader; it may mean a decoded sequence of events, a > narration of minimal character and subdued or quieted consequence. But what > appears simple is never so. Multiples of factors are prominent: decisions, > fields of choice, partiality and contradiction in image, syncopation in > rhythm, etc. Every poem is a scene of shadows playing, puppetry. Beyond what > may be observed, as Plato says, more operates, and behind that more yet. > Language, our only tool, is a calloused set of fingers, as Howard Nemerov > once remarked; skin which has had its feel impaired by long and continual > usage. When Updike?s plumber lies down to reveal the flow-chart of pipes > and joints, he self-reflexively plays upon simplicity apparent to the least > eye and he attends to sophisticated, complex engineering. The philosopher > Snoopy says ?Happiness is a warm puppy.? Simple. Every child understands. > But isn?t happiness the ultimate mystery? Ask any poet, any country-western > musician. The older I get, the more I want a poem to be simultaneously plain > and complex, undeniably multiple and singular as a pine cone is. > > *AMK: ?Roundhouse Voices? is a poem that covers an immense landscape of > experience. > > First, we encounter a young man?s rebellion. Then, we?re told the story of > the roadhouse itself as a key aspect of this young man?s upbringing. Then, > we start to see this as a story about memory and death, the language moving > us back and forth in time, place, and perspective. Eventually, we realize > that the real story is about the language we use and how, in the face of > death, this language changes, which in turn changes how we see ourselves; > our relationships with others forever altered, our stories and memories > ever-movable. The result is a poem in which the language transforms from a > tool used to tell a story and into an element of the story itself. > > What do you think of this reading?* > > DS: Any poet would be delighted to have his or her poem described by your > phrase. > > Wallace St evens remarks somewhere that every poem is about writing poetry. > How could I disagree with the corporate giant, the attorney of prodigiously > gifted poems? But your question hides, really, another question, which is, > was I deliberately writing about writing poetry when I composed it? Well, > no. Then, yes. The poem is a funeral elegy, which you know is a distinct > form. ?Lycidas? is such a poem. So is ?When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard > Bloom?d.? That form, historically, seeks an opportunity to address large, > resonant issues. I knew it had something to say about death?s mystery?why we > die. In the face of death which we cannot change, what good is any art, any > language? The poet views language as active faith. In crisis faith is sorely > tested and often appears of no consequence. If language lies, what good is a > poem, the instrument of faith? Or the poet, who is priest of this faith? In > ?The Roundhouse Voices? I think I tried to compose answers to questions I > could not resolve. For the religious believer, faith is its own answer, its > own value; it cannot be proven. Perhaps in my poem the speaker seeks to > claim what despair seems to prevent. If I am correct ( I am now years away > from memory of what I may have meant to do), the poem perhaps attends more > to the insufficiency of language than the actual writing of a poetry, even > its tiniest decisions. But perhaps they are synonymous. > > *AMK: Can you tell us much about the writing of this poem? How you > managed to > combine all of the voices you heard as a poet with the voices of the past > and of the speaker and of the various presences within the poem? No doubt > this poem was taxing?* > > DS: Much, as I say, is now lost to my memory. In 1974 I had a dream, a > small one. When I woke I remembered an image of a group of men lying head to > head, their legs pointed outward so they seemed spokes in a wagon wheel. I > tried but could not make a poem of this image. Perhaps because I knew > nothing of the men. My habit is to keep drafts in the drawers of an old desk > my sister gave me. When I cannot make a poem live, into a drawer it goes. At > some point I bring it forth and try again. This wheel image stayed in for > some years, looked at but saying nothing. Then it spoke. Or someone did. > There arose a story of a man traveling to the place of ancestors where > someone had died. This had happened to me, too. I had grown up in eastern > Virginia but my parents were from Cumberland, Maryland, 300 miles and > different cultures north. When elders died, my parents drove home for the > funerals and I was put in the care of a family member so as not to be > gloomed by the experience. My uncle Lloyd, foreman of the B&O roundhouse in > Cumberland, sometimes took me for car rides or took me fishing. Once we > played softball in that building where train engines came for repair. You > can see such a building in Baltimore. The huge engine s would rotate on a > wonderful hydraulic table, become repaired, then rotate to the door out, and > away they would go, redeemed spirits. I recalled that place as having sooted > glass ceilings with occasional star-like holes. Uncle Lloyd had probably > broken a rule by letting me into such a secret place, but there was no guard > except himself. It was all joy to me. Joy is not easy to write about, as it > is not easy to come by. > > When I began to tell the softball story, I saw the wedges of men were > really slots for trains taken into the sanctuary. I saw, too, what I have > just implied, the spiritual character of the place which was a conduit for > men?s lives. I brought in the story of my uncle training me to swing > properly, according to his lights, for a home run. The man mourned was my > ?Uncle? Melvin, a lodger who lived with my grandparents for most of his > adult life; he happened to be a train engineer, its driver. Somehow I knew > this was the single and yet multiple story of my male ancestors, a tribe who > failed while doing what they were fated to do, but who might be admired. > Without elegy or eulogy or even the least memorial of words. I was the last > of them, and the only one who worked in words instead of metal, fire, and > faith. Another way to speak of this poem, but presumptuous, is to say it > wants to define heroic action even as it presumes heroism changes nothing. > I like to think the poem seeks to know what is heroic in ordinary > actions,20which is why it asks who we are, individually, what should be our > duty, our obligation if we are not to dishonor self and tribe. > > *AMK: ?Roundhouse Voices? is a cool poem to look at, particularly in > contrast to ?The Last Morning? because, while both poems are about > transformational experiences, ?Roundhouse Voices? displays in a much more > active way how this transformation occurs when language and story collide. > The result is a much more difficult poem to read, at least for me. > > Since I?ve already asked you about the simplicity of poetry it seems > appropriate to ask the same questions of you regarding the hardness of > poems. > > Should we question difficulty when we read poetry? Should we fear it as > writers of poetry?* > > DS: Only if we want readers. Few real poets seek deliberately to be obtuse > or vague. Some choose a language whose referential ability is diminished in > favor of qualities that may make a different, even better experience, or > that simply please the poet. G.M. Hopkins is difficult that way, but he > seems less so when we have been taught his mysteries. So, too, Emily > Dickinson. The fact is that life is complex and we want language > commensurate with that complexity; few of us achieve it. We settle for a > lesser expression. But not less difficult, only less transparent. We know > when the water is muddy, but pleasures we struggle for as we try to be clear > are compelling. The best writer fears nothing .. But awareness is another > matter. > > *AMK: What were your main objectives for ?Roadhouse Voices??* > > DS: To write a poem I would enjoy reading. To write a poem someone else > would enjoy reading. > > *AMK: I first encountered ?Blue Heron? at your reading at The Ropewalk > Writers Retreat in Indiana. I remember you saying that you didn?t think it > was necessarily a very good poem?but then you read it, and I thought it was > one of the better poems you read that day. > > Looking at it now, I?m still struck by that opening metaphor, the heron?s > neck ?like a coathanger unbent? and how it?s followed by a visual > description that extends the metaphor throughout the first stanza but that > doesn?t take over the entire poem. Instead, the poem moves onto another > metaphor/imagistic moment, its invisibility like a friend?s description of > ?the woman poets of / the South,? which moves the poem into a more > social/political sort of poem that, I think, is subtle, beautiful, and worth > writing. > > So this has bothered me quite a bit since then because I keep wondering if > I?m missing something (which, I must admit, I find myself thinking to myself > more and more these days about the poetry I red)? > > As I write this question, I realize I may be putting you in a bit of a > spot, but what do you not like about this poem? Do you have a problem > with20social/political poems? Poems that make an overt statement? > Something else?* > > DS: Sometimes people say things they don?t mean, speaking when nervous or > distracted, as I spoke when reading that poem for the first time. I like > ?Blue Heron? well enough. It is not for me to say my poem is good or not > good, though I may harbor judgments. The reader holds that job. If it has a > socio/political expression, I do not object. Poems need to make statements. > It is dedicated to Betty Adcock, a fine poet, who once said to me the women > poets of the South are ?the invisibles.? She is unquestionably correct. My > poem notes that blue herons, though solitary and gentle birds, rarely share > territory. They may drive off one of their kind who attempts to intrude in a > chosen space. Quiet as they may be, they are formidable when confronted. My > poem tries to praise the strength and solitude of the invisibles, which > herons mostly are. > > *AMK: What are you working on these days?* > > DS: I used to write relentlessly, hours and hours. Now, as a department > chairman, with far less time to be a poet, my poems come more slowly. I no > longer have the opportunity to force words to the page, tear them apart, > re-type, and forge on. I still write a poem when ti comes. I have published > another essay on Whitman, have obligations to write more essays, and am > editing with my friend Robert Demott a collection of essays and photographs > by writers on th eir bird-hunting dogs. I have an idea for a fable, maybe a > book for my grandsons, maybe something else. I don?t know. I am trying to > recover the pleasure of play in writing, which has much to do with > entertaining oneself and little to do with the business of being a poet, and > publishing, a sad enterprise now. > > *AMK: Thank you.* > > > In Search of Poetry, an essay by Jim Duffy > > As poets go, Dave Smith is not what I expect. He?s more down-to-earth. He?s > disarmingly matter-of-fact. Yet this is a two-step Smith performs with an > almost formal flair. It?s likely a Southern thing. He doesn?t just come from > Tidewater Virginia; he carries the place with him wherever he goes. You can > catch Smith showing this off now and again, if you listen for the way he > delivers his best punchlines with an extra pinch of dra wl. > But what is it I expect a poet to be like? Brawling bohemian? Inscrutable > intellectual? How the heck would I know? It?s been 20-some years now since I > packed away my liberal arts degree and got about the business of life. It?s > not like I go to poetry readings. It?s not like I even read poems. > Smith is the Elliott Coleman Professor of Poetry and chairman of the > Writing Seminars. He came to Hopkins four years ago from Louisiana State > University, where he had been the co-editor of the Southern Review. He?s > written more than 25 books. He?s won Guggenheim and NEA and Lyndhust > fellowships. He?s twice been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. > The winter morning I call at his home is uncommonly warm. I find the poet > standing outdoors in a rather menial pose, hosing down a fenced-in side > patio where the dog likes to roam. He greets me with a wave, then makes his > way around front to let me in. > Smith pours us coffee, then leads the way upstairs to the converted bedroom > that serves as his office. > At the outset, I remind Smith of things I?d already told him in arranging > this get-to gether. I tell him how I?ve lost what connection I had with > poetry. I tell him how I suspect the same has happened to lots of other > folks going about the business of an adult life. > Perhaps, in a meandering talk, he and I might find some little way to spark > a reconnection to that literary world? > The rest of this story is built from his side of the conversation we had > there, with pieces of it pulled out and rearranged into an order designed to > unfold in a more reader-friendly way. > > Beginning: The Poet > Where to begin? It?s always a difficult matter, isn?t it? I come from a > country town, out of a family of people who were not readers?or not > conventional readers. We had two magazines in our house: *Sports > Illustrated *and *Hot Rod.* > I studied those things as a boy. Looking back now, I can see that those > magazines had something in common?a high degree of figurative and > imaginative language. Think about it. Such language is absolutely necessary > in articles on tri-carburetion and high-lift camshafts. Anybody who?s > followed Sports Illustrated over the years knows about its incend iary level > of vocabulary and diction. > Those magazines are probably where my initial attraction to language comes > from. > I didn?t have a clue what college was all about. Nobody in my family had > been to college. But I decided to go off to the University of Virginia. The > amazing thing to me from the very first day was how people were constantly > telling you what you could do instead of what you couldn?t do. I?m writing a > paper I?ve got to deliver at Oxford next week on Walt Whitman, so I?m > thinking of Whitman?s famous lines: > ?Unscrew the locks from the doors! > Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs!? > It was like that, a complete revelation that life could be different. And I > found poetry. But poetry to me was so frightening at first that I did > everything I could to avoid it. It always seemed that my fellow students had > the answers, and I didn?t. > I graduated in 1965. Vietnam was incip?ient. I thought I might go to law > school. But my father had died, my mother had remarried, and there was no > money. > Then I was drafted. I had signed up to go through Officer Training School, > but I was going to be drafted before I could get a space in class. That?s > the military for you. The draft board said I should find a high school > teaching deferment. I must have called 20 high schools that didn?t need an > English teacher. > At the last minute a small high school in Virginia asked me if I could > teach French. > ?Sure!? > Then they asked if I could coach football. > ?Absolutely!? > Actually, I had played football in high school. > It was in this period that I met the woman who would become my wife. > Suddenly I didn?t want to go into officer training school. So I stayed on > teaching. In my second year there, I started to write poetry. I have no idea > why this happened. I do know that it was bad poetry. > > Beginning: The Poem > There is one poem that I guess I could talk about. It s illustrative of > things I care about in my poetry. Maybe this is an immodest thing to say. > Maybe it?s something I don?t really know how to say. So I?ll put it this > way: This is the most famous of my poems. > My mother thinks so, anyway. > It?s called *?The Roundhouse Voices?* > *Who am I?* That?s always the big question in poetry. Whitman wrote ?Song > of Myself.? He didn?t write ?Song of Yourself.? Now, let?s admit that less > enthusiastic readers from the beginning have said, ??Song of Myself?? Isn?t > that a little egotistical?? > And it is, except to say that all he?s trying to say is what we?re all > trying to say: *Who am I?* > Sometimes, I think about it like this. I?m not good at parties. I always > kind of stand off against the side and wait for people to come up, and the > whole time I?m thinking, ?What am I going to say to this guy?? And then what > I say is: ?Where you from?? > That is to say: Who are you? Who are your people? It?s the most fundamental > question, even when you make it sound like you?re asking how the weather is. > This is how we orient ourselves, by saying who my people are and where my > people are from. This is what you?re always doing in poetry, trying to > orient yourself in a world of flux and mystery. > My parents were born and raised in Cumberland, Maryland. My grand?father > worked there for the B&O Railroad as a foreman of the backhouse. My Uncle > Lloyd, his brother, was the foreman of the roundhouse. > Later, after the Depression, my grand?father came to Baltimore for a while > and then went down to Portsmouth, Virginia. This was about the time my > mother was graduating from high school. She went with him. My father > followed her. So I was born in Tidewater Virginia, 300 miles from > Cumberland. > When people in the family would die off, my grandfather and my mother and > my father would go by car back to Cumberland for funerals. They would take > me along. I was quite a young boy for some of this, so often enough, someone > would be detailed to take me out to the roundhouse and look at trains. My > Uncle Lloyd, he?d actually bring a softball, and we?d throw it back and > forth in the roundhouse. > In my memory, this roundhouse is a huge building. I don?t think it was all > that huge, actually, but the imagination remembers things figuratively > rather than literally. I remember a glass ceiling. The glass was all sooted > over, yet it had holes in it through which the light would shine like stars. > To me, this seemed magical. That my uncle was in charge of it, this seemed > like another world. > It?s funny, how ?The Roundhouse Voices?came. I had had a dream of six men lying head to head like spokes to a > wheel. I didn?t know the men. I didn?t know why I saw them. Only, there they > were. I wrote a poem of 22 lines around this. It didn?t work. I put it in my > desk drawer. I thought I?d come back to it. > > Becoming: The Poet > This is one thing you wouldn?t expect about the world of poetry: People > tend to be almost abjectly generous to those coming up. > I was still on a deferme nt when I went off to graduate school at Southern > Illinois University. I lived in St. Louis, which had a very active poetry > community. Don Finkel was a poet there at Washington University who was > publishing at the top level of American poetry. I had never heard of him. > But I went to a reading of his one night, and then I decided to call him > up. I?m a 22-year-old student, saying, ?Can I have lunch with you?? He > talked to me that day for at least two-and-a-half hours. His generosity was > overwhelming. > Eventually, I reached the end of my deferments, and I was drafted. I > thought, ?Well, I?ll give this poetry foolishness up now.? I went into the > Air Force, and I was stationed in the finance office at Langley Air Force > base, three miles from where I?d coached high school football. It was my > home country. That was some mitigation for the horrors of being in the > military. > I found myself in a world where any real connection with the arts is very > unlikely, but I began to read and write poetry at night. I used the local > library in an interesting way. I?d go down the aisles, looking for the thin > books. Thin books are either poems or plays. If it was a play, I?d put it > back. > I h ad a small book published as I was getting out of the Air Force. I > didn?t even understand the difference then between big presses and little > presses or serious ones and garage ones. Some guy in Pennsylvania accepted > the book, and for a week I was elated. > But I was moving so fast at this point, making such rapid gains. Almost in > a mat?ter of days I started to see how bad my book was. I tried to get it > back from the guy, but he wouldn?t give it back. It wasn?t published in that > many numbers, and in the end, I owned most of the copies. > I suspect there are some still out there, though. If I see one now, I buy > it and hide it away. > I was back in graduate school after that. I went for a year, then dropped > out and taught at little colleges, then went back and finished my PhD at > Ohio University in 1976. I published two books during that time, but I > continued not to think of myself as a poet who had any right to be on the > big national stage. > Then I wrote a poem called ?Cumberland Station.? It was a funeral elegy > about my Uncle Melvin. He?d been a diesel engineer. The poem was about the > old Queen City Railroad Station, which again I remember as being a very > imposing building with this huge set of stairs that you walked up, and then > there was this glistening, almost senatorial marble floor. It was very like > a church. > When I started writing this, I hadn?t been back to Cumberland in more than > 20 years. I don?t know what I was trying to do in it, just say something > about a place that I missed and the life that was there and how I had been > disconnected from it and all that. > When I got done, this felt to me like the first real poem I had ever > written. > My next book was called *Cumberland Station. *When it was published, what > I heard was great silence. That?s usually the way it goes. A friend of mine > said once that publishing a book is like spitting in the ocean and listening > for the echo. > Then one day I got a letter from Professor Helen Vendler at Harvard. She > said she was reviewing my book, and she enclosed a copy of the review. It > was very laudatory. I knew enough about who Helen Vendler was to know that > this was a real signature of approval. It felt like a higher power saying, > ?Okay, you can join up now.? That was very releasing for me, in a strange > and powerful way. > But it gave me a20big head. I had to work through that. It?s a hard thing > to learn, that you really are better off as a writer if you just pay > attention to the writing. We?re all human. There?s gratification in > publishing, in getting the notices, in getting the prizes. > When I work with good students, I try to tell them how, ultimately, the > gratification is in the doing of the work. Once a poem is finished, it > really has nothing much to do with you anymore. You have to learn a > distancing. It?s the same as it is with a potter. He makes a pot. He sells > it. He doesn?t know where it goes from there. He doesn?t care. He?s too busy > making the next pot. > > Becoming: The Poem > ?The Roundhouse Voices?should have been in > *Cumberland Station,* with the other railroad poems. But it didn?t come > until maybe a year later. > It came in a funny way. I kept taking it out of that drawer I?d put it in > and looking at it. I did this over the course of 11 years. It?s not like I > was writing it every day, but I have enough drafts=2 0of it to show you that > I was active on it during each of those years. The whole time, it wouldn?t > go anywhere. > Then the memory of my uncle taking me out to the roundhouse and playing > softball came to me. I started trying to integrate that with the original > image of the spokes, but the whole thing with the spokes just fell away. It > was like a door I went through, that?s all. > You have to let the language seduce you. You have to let it flow along to a > point where it opens up. ?Hey, I didn?t know I was writing about that!? > Sylvia Plath has a poem where she talks about throwing the reins of the > horse onto the horse?s neck and just letting the horse run. Sometimes, you > let the poem take you. > There?s a danger in that, too. It leads to the romantic idea of the > visionary, the seer who simply takes what comes. That can be as bad for a > poem as over-determining it. > The poet Robert Haas has an essay in which he talks about the way every > poem is both an act of listening and an act of making. The difficult part > here is that the proportion varies with every poem. In one poem, you listen > x amount and make y amount. In the next one, those amounts might be > reversed. Sometimes you have to labor harder to get a piece done. Sometimes > it just comes to you. > I realized I was writing another funeral elegy. This one was about my Uncle > Lloyd and how he had taken me to the roundhouse. > At some point I put a guard around the roundhouse. You couldn?t get to it > without passing this guard, and he?s asking questions: ?Who are you?? So > we?re back to that big question in poetry, right? > The roundhouse never had a guard when I was there. Where did this come > from? Well, my father and virtually everybody else I knew in Virginia worked > for the military or the government. Just to get in the gate on the way to > work, you had to get past a Marine. Every place was secret and guarded. > Somehow, I transposed that to the roundhouse. This made it a place with > some kind of secret about it, a place where something trans?formative was > going to happen. > Robert Penn Warren is my poetic hero. A great deal of what I know, I?ve > borrowed from him. He was speaking of the novelist Joseph Conrad when he > said that a work of literary art is a laboratory, in which character is > tested and re-tested, in which you submit people to certain circum stances > and see if they will behave as you expect them to. > When I first read this, I thought, ?Well, that?s sort of baloney, isn?t > it?? But with true neutrality of imagination, it?s exactly right. These > characters don?t behave the way you expect them to. > It?s like the answer is in there, some?where. It?s in this set of > circumstances. It?s in these characters. But the fact is, when you?re in the > middle of writing, you don?t know what the answer is. > Now if I?m a literary critic I can sit back with ?The Roundhouse Voices?and say, ?Ah, you?re writing about the Virgilian guide, the man who takes > you to the land of the dead and brings you back.? Or I can say, ?This is > like Jesus in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights.? But I didn?t think > about all that stuff. All I was doing was telling a story about going to the > roundhouse with my Uncle Lloyd. > > Being: The Poet > Peop le always say, ?Well, what do you write about?? I don?t have a clue. I > don?t know what I?m writing about until I see what I?ve written. > You know, a student once said to me, ?Why does Robert Frost always write > about birch trees?? > I said, ?Well, what kind of trees would you write about?? > He said, ?Pine trees.? > I said, ?Well, Frost writes about birch trees because he lives where > birches are.? > Some of what you write about is given to you, by virtue of life. Some of it > is chosen. But you can?t set out to make a poem say something didactic or > polemic. You?d be better off writing a sermon or an editorial. > The things that poetry talks about are very common human experiences. > Certainly you can portray these things in novels, in movies, in songs. But > I?m not sure that anything can deal with them as nakedly and with as much > resonance as a great poem can. > Literary pundits are forever saying poetry isn?t important anymore, that > there are no read ers, blah, blah, blah. But when we most want to say > something pithy and smart?when we?re giving a talk at church or giving a > toast?we go to a poem. Either instinctively or because of the way we?ve been > taught, we know that a poem represents language at its most compressed, at > its most volatile, at its most emotional, and in its wisest form. > That feeling people have about poetry, it hasn?t gone away. I think people > still hunger for poems. > It?s come to me after 35 years that I am a poet. But it?s also come to me > that no matter what, I would have been a teacher. I have a son who?s a > lawyer and who hates the law. He whines about it daily. In light of that, > I?ve been thinking how there have been times when I wasn?t pleased with my > colleagues and times when they weren?t pleased with me. There have been > rough patches. But there has never been a single day when I regretted being > a teacher. > The first thing I can give students is confidence. I?m fairly brutal in my > workshops. But I can only be that way after I have given them the confidence > to know that they can be good, that I?m telling them the truth in > appreciation of what we both know they can do. > They need to be willing to take the risks of failure and to know in advance > that however they fail, there will still be a chance to succeed beyond that > moment of failure. That?s something I had to learn the hard way. > > Being: The Poem > I was a long time in getting aware that what I had written in ?The > Roundhouse Voices?was, in a way, like a ?Song of Myself.? Only it was in a funeral elegy. It > had to do with my family, with railroad life, with Appalachian culture. It > had to do with what it means to be Southern and with the slow dying out of > that Southern culture of manners, this idea of appropriate and decorous > behavior. > All of that is brought into the poem, I think. And what you discover at the > end is that the speaker who says at the end of the poem, ?Who the hell are > you, kid???this time, it?s the kid saying it. He?s standing outside. The > funeral is over. The man is dead. But he feels like he?s still not prepared > to answer that question. > I think this particular poem has layers of resonance20that I just haven?t > managed in other poems. > People have said to me, ?Why don?t you write another poem like that?? > Well, hell, I?d write ?em every day if I could! But you know, it?s not like > you get the formula down and then you just stamp them out, one after the > other. > ------------------------------ > *Jim Duffy is a writer based in Cambridge, Maryland.* > > ------------------------------ > *The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/4438b8fd/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 21 20:45:03 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Merwin's second Pulitzer Message-ID: <8CB90FAB5199084-798-16CD@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103317326 W.S. Merwin won his second Pulitzer Prize for poetry on April 20 for The Shadow Of Sirius. I n a 2008 interview, Merwin read a few of his poems and talked about memory, mortality and acceptance in his poetry. Merwin has published over 20 books of poetry and almost 20 books of translation. He won his first Pulitzer Prize in 1971 for The Carrier Of Ladders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090421/2696aa50/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Apr 21 21:53:05 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49EE7881.8060102@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:41:08 PM Central Daylight Time, > mandolin@mikesnider.org writes: >> >>> As I think I've mentioned I've been working for several months on >>> and off on what I hope will be a near-complete analysis of >>> Shakespeare's "Sonnet 18." As a stand-alone poem, that is. Anyway, >>> I've just finished toting up the number of what I call >>> "melodations," or alliterations, assonances, etc. My question is: >>> how close does one member of a melodation (excluding end-rhymes) >>> have to be to another (in general) to count? My arbitrary feeling >>> is no more than ten iambs. Any opinions? >>> Is there any Certified View of the matter? >> > > One thing I've always liked about this one is how the sentences expand > in the first 8 lines. > > 1 question > 1 statement > 2 compound sentence > > 4 longer compound sentence > > As far as the number of lines per sentence is concerned. Very > geometrical. Yikes, Sam, I've spent three or four months in close touch with the stupit thing, and now you, Mike and Skip make me wonder what made me think I knew enough to get a fix on it. But I'm happy with that--the poem is a challenge for me again! --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All god's chilluns I guess... c On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Judy Prince wrote: > Does she recycle the pages in laminate? ?Does she use the pages' bits, at > the very least, for collage-cards or scrapbook pages? ?I get the beauty of > what she's doing, but it seems tragic to let any text perish [except for > some of my old poems, natch]. > Best, > Judy From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 20:54:55 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] among other thoughts Message-ID: <648208b60904211754mda81e92g9685bf350a75cb9f@mail.gmail.com> The Rear-Guard Groping along the tunnel, step by step, He winked his prying torch with patching glare >From side to side, and sniffed the unwholesome air. Tins, boxes, bottles, shapes too vague to know, A mirror smashed, the mattress from a bed; And he, exploring fifty feet below The rosy gloom of battle overhead. Tripping, he grabbed the wall; saw someone lie Humped at his feet, half-hidden by a rug, And stooped to give the sleeper's arm a tug. "I'm looking for headquarters." No reply. "God blast your neck!" (For days he'd had no sleep.) "Get up and guide me through this stinking place." Savage, he kicked a soft, unanswering heap, And flashed his beam across the livid face Terribly glaring up, whose eyes yet wore Agony dying hard ten days before; And fists of fingers clutched a blackening wound. Alone he staggered on until he found Dawn's ghost that filtered down a shafted stair To the dazed, muttering creatures underground Who hear the boom of shells in muffled sound. At last, with sweat of horror in his hair, He climbed through darkness to the twilight air, Unloading hell behind him step by step. - Siegfried Sassoon -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, I don't think there is anyone as involved as a critic in both Shakespeare and visual poetry--and I can't understand it. Most of the people in visual poetry are as negative about my interest in things like canonical sonnets as a, uh, few people at New-Poetry are about my promotion of vizpoetics. Make that anyone in the States. I think a few in England are. Edwin Morgan, Robin? Anyway, thanks for the blurb, James. I /can/ use it on the back cover of my next book, right? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, I don't really wonder (at least for myself-- I enjoy your writing about vizpo) but it sounds better to put it that way. c From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 04:25:42 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Merwin's second Pulitzer In-Reply-To: <8CB90FAB5199084-798-16CD@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB90FAB5199084-798-16CD@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904220125s7f2f3b3h19e9a934ea090633@mail.gmail.com> Well deserved: *The River Of Bees* In a dream I returned to the river of bees Five orange trees by the bridge and Beside two mills my house Into whose courtyard a blind man followed The goats and stood singing Of what was older Soon it will be fifteen years He was old he will have fallen into his eyes I took my eyes A long way to the calenders Room after room asking how shall I live One of the ends is made of streets One man processions carry through it Empty bottles their Images of hope It was offered to me by name Once once and once In the same city I was born Asking what shall I say He will have fallen into his mouth Men think they are better than grass I return to his voice rising like a forkful of hay He was old he is not real nothing is real Nor the noise of death drawing water We are the echo of the future On the door it says what to do to survive But we were not born to survive Only to live *W.S. Merwin* On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:45 AM, wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103317326 > > W.S. Merwin won his second Pulitzer Prize for poetry on April 20 for *The > Shadow Of Sirius*. I > n a 2008 interview, Merwin read a few of his poems and talked about memory, > mortality and acceptance in his poetry. > > Merwin has published over 20 books of poetry and almost 20 books of > translation. He won his first Pulitzer Prize in 1971 for *The Carrier Of > Ladders*. > > ------------------------------ > *The Average US Credit Score is 692. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/85d16817/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 07:31:57 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><8CB90EADD78AF9B-798-1192 @webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Most of the >> people in visual poetry are as negative about my interest in things like >> canonical sonnets as a, uh, few people at New-Poetry are about my promotion >> of vizpoetics. >> > > I wonder if it's your promotion of vizpo that arouses the frustration > or the regular running-down of [insert the pejorative term of the day > here] poetry? > Well, it's often the presumed "running down" of the poetry in Wilshberia. Many people, perhaps the majority of them, have trouble realizing that annoyance over the fact that the Pulitzer has again gone to a poet residing in Wilshberia, for example, equals running down the poetry of Wilshberia, or Merwin. Not that I don't knock poetry perhaps too often--even poetry I like when I get carried away. > Actually, I don't really wonder (at least for myself-- I enjoy your > writing about vizpo) but it sounds better to put it that way. > > c Ha, you're running down my writing about poetry other than vizpo, Chris!!! --Tender Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/dee4cdbf/attachment.html From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 22 08:07:56 2009 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> References: <7db1d01b0904201704medc4f42vb551fb368b874149@mail.gmail.com><49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><8CB90EADD78AF9B-798-1192@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <1882145B9D434DA99340FF2688FB1B4F@RobinLaptopPC> Bob said: << Actually, I don't think there is anyone as involved as a critic in both Shakespeare and visual poetry--and I can't understand it. Most of the people in visual poetry are as negative about my interest in things like canonical sonnets as a, uh, few people at New-Poetry are about my promotion of vizpoetics. Make that anyone in the States. I think a few in England are. Edwin Morgan, Robin? >> Certainly Edwin Morgan. Taking his Concrete Poetry work as read -- and it was always more narrowly Concerete, sub-genre typewriter poems (rather than the typographic hijinks that Ian Hamilton Finlay got up to) than what's now more broadly seen as vizpo -- there are *lots of sonnets in Eddie's ouvre, practice rather than precept. "The Glasgow Sonnets" were fairly early, though after the height of his Concerete period which more-or-less finishes with _From Glasgow to Saturn_, and a collection of Renaissance (mostly Italian) translations in _Fifty Renaissance Sonnets_. (Or was it Poems?) Then the biggie series (though I got into trouble at the time it came out by saying it tended to recycle earlier themes), _Sonnets From Scotland_. Mostly he was interested in sonnet *sequences. And possibly more in sequences than sonnets. I may have missed some things, but that's off the top of my head, and omits his criticism, collected in 300+ pages in _Essays_. As I say, precept rather than precept. [Incidentally, it's *Scotland* to you, matey!] Robin From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 22 10:01:18 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:42 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><8CB90EADD78AF9B-798-1192 @webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> You're being disingenuous, Bob. There's no way that terms like "Wilshberia" or "Iowa plaintext" or any of the others can be interpreted as anything but derogation. By and large, here, there's a fair amount of acceptance for your rebuses. Bob Grumman wrote: > Chris Lott wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >>> Most of the >>> people in visual poetry are as negative about my interest in things like >>> canonical sonnets as a, uh, few people at New-Poetry are about my promotion >>> of vizpoetics. >>> >> >> I wonder if it's your promotion of vizpo that arouses the frustration >> or the regular running-down of [insert the pejorative term of the day >> here] poetry? >> > > Well, it's often the presumed "running down" of the poetry in > Wilshberia. Many people, perhaps the majority of them, have trouble > realizing that annoyance over the fact that the Pulitzer has again > gone to a poet residing in Wilshberia, for example, equals running > down the poetry of Wilshberia, or Merwin. Not that I don't knock > poetry perhaps too often--even poetry I like when I get carried away. >> Actually, I don't really wonder (at least for myself-- I enjoy your >> writing about vizpo) but it sounds better to put it that way. >> >> c > Ha, you're running down my writing about poetry other than vizpo, Chris!!! > > --Tender Robert > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 10:06:33 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> Message-ID: <648208b60904220706x5b08ab1es3ce18c87192627e4@mail.gmail.com> Well, he's not the Simon Cowell of poetry. That honor goes to someone else. - Jim On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > You're being disingenuous, Bob. There's no way that terms like "Wilshberia" > or "Iowa plaintext" or any of the others can be interpreted as anything but > derogation. > > By and large, here, there's a fair amount of acceptance for your rebuses. > > > > Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Chris Lott wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bob Grumman >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Most of the >>>> people in visual poetry are as negative about my interest in things like >>>> canonical sonnets as a, uh, few people at New-Poetry are about my >>>> promotion >>>> of vizpoetics. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I wonder if it's your promotion of vizpo that arouses the frustration >>> or the regular running-down of [insert the pejorative term of the day >>> here] poetry? >>> >>> >> >> Well, it's often the presumed "running down" of the poetry in Wilshberia. >> Many people, perhaps the majority of them, have trouble realizing that >> annoyance over the fact that the Pulitzer has again gone to a poet residing >> in Wilshberia, for example, equals running down the poetry of Wilshberia, or >> Merwin. Not that I don't knock poetry perhaps too often--even poetry I like >> when I get carried away. >> >>> Actually, I don't really wonder (at least for myself-- I enjoy your >>> writing about vizpo) but it sounds better to put it that way. >>> >>> c >>> >> Ha, you're running down my writing about poetry other than vizpo, Chris!!! >> >> --Tender Robert >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the target of "Wilshberia" is not those poets in it but those critics and academics who think it the full range of contemporary poetry, or the full range of significant contemporary poetry. And Iowa plaintext is not really derogatory--what else should it be called? In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. And I'm not saying I never say bad things about certain poems or poets. > > By and large, here, there's a fair amount of acceptance for your rebuses. More acceptance of visual poetry of late, maybe. I don't know what rebuses are gaining acceptance since I don't know of any such things that are considered poetry. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 13:34:40 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><8CB90EADD78AF9B-798-1192 @webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF 002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net><49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49EF5530.6030606@nut-n-but.net> It's dumb for anyone to try to describe and justify his outlook on anything. For one thing, it depends on his full outlook, not on what he says at any given time. I'm not going back to my view of poetry as a whole, but will go to my opinion of Jews as an example. I consider myself close to being an extreme prosemite, but I have said and will say many Very Bad things about Jews, sometimes using politically-abhorrent language. For instance, when I'm writing or talking about the right to bear arms, which I fervently believe in though I own no weapons myself. Intelligent outlooks on anything are mixed up. All my life-long Jewish friends are still my friends, though. No, no more on the subject from me, I hope. --Bob From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:16:56 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet Message-ID: Spam Sonnet *A la recherche d?un emploi*? You won?t ever have to explain your flaccidness to her again. You can have the meds you need for 70% less. Looking for a new foundational opportunity? Do you want scientifically to debunk the Bible? You can view this message as a website *here*. Hi man, was thinking of the old times and thought of you. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/882b14e7/attachment.html From mandolin at mikesnider.org Wed Apr 22 15:22:05 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one > kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in > the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. > I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance of jazz without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/df5431f6/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:38:18 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm with you there, Michael. After all, it ain't farm acreage we're talking about here. Hal "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one >> kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in >> the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. >> > > I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance of > jazz without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can argue for more acceptance > of jazz without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. Think bookstore; limited space; to add a couple of volumes of visual poetry, you have to subtract something. One wanting more visual poetry would have to argue against the value of what's to be replaced, yes? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We all can afford an infinite number of books, too. --Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 22 17:52:50 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: "Acceptance" is a somewhat tricky concept, seems to me. For starters, are we thinking about critical or popular acceptance? Academic or common reader? Other writers or the educated reader? Think of the career of Donald Justice, for example. A good example of a poet's poet, seems to me. Well reviewed and rewarded, always, with many glowing blurbs by fellow poets. A thoroughly Establishment poet, and in my view a wonderful one. But in terms of sales, never truly popular, even in the small pond of contemporary poetry, to the extent that many others of that generation have been. There are further complications. As Michael Snider has pointed out, there's only one kind of acceptance that counts in the long run, and that's durability over time. A critic, anthologist, talk show host, or whomever might well generate some boosted sales today, but if people don't like what they read, that work will fade eventually into oblivion. No amount of critical boost will rescue work that readers don't enjoy. Oblivion will be the fate of almost every poet, in fact. What Helen Vendler says about, say, Dave Smith or Jorie Graham will ultimately not matter. And contemporary book sales likewise won't matter; just look at all those volumes of Stephen Vincent Benet or Edwin Arlington Robinson mouldering away in used bookshops. Who is today's version of S.V. Benet is a fun game to play, but by definition we won't be around to learn the answer. I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot the author's name. Now if I wished, I could trumpet loudly the Comma Poet's virtues. I could call for greater acceptance of punctuationally rich poetry. I could issue manifestoes on the subject. I could complain that Helen Vendler et al. persistently ignore the very existence of the Comma Poet. After all, is it too much to ask that mainstream critics devote some brief attention to the fascinating topic of Comma Poetry? They must be closed minded. By ignoring Comma Poetry, they refuse to acknowledge the full variety of what's out there. I might even have a jolly good time at it. Fine. But nothing I did or said or wrote would alter the outcome. Oblivion will arrive--sooner for some, later for others--but it will come. For our poor Comma Poet oblivion was speedy indeed, mainly because what he wrote was silly and annoying and most sensible readers rightly ignored him even if he happened to cross their paths. On 4/22/09 5:12 PM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > Michael Snider wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> >>> >>> In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one >>> kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in >>> the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. >>> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance of jazz >> without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. >> > Think bookstore; limited space; to add a couple of volumes of visual poetry, > you have to subtract something. One wanting more visual poetry would have to > argue against the value of what's to be replaced, yes? > > --Bob > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/6b5186fd/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 18:05:59 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: And from the extremely long view, David, "durability" won't count for much either. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, David Graham wrote: > "Acceptance" is a somewhat tricky concept, seems to me. For starters, > are we thinking about critical or popular acceptance? Academic or common > reader? Other writers or the educated reader? Think of the career of > Donald Justice, for example. A good example of a poet's poet, seems to me. > Well reviewed and rewarded, always, with many glowing blurbs by fellow > poets. A thoroughly Establishment poet, and in my view a wonderful one. > But in terms of sales, never truly popular, even in the small pond of > contemporary poetry, to the extent that many others of that generation have > been. > > There are further complications. As Michael Snider has pointed out, > there's only one kind of acceptance that counts in the long run, and that's > durability over time. A critic, anthologist, talk show host, or whomever > might well generate some boosted sales today, but if people don't like what > they read, that work will fade eventually into oblivion. No amount of > critical boost will rescue work that readers don't enjoy. Oblivion will be > the fate of almost every poet, in fact. > > What Helen Vendler says about, say, Dave Smith or Jorie Graham will > ultimately not matter. And contemporary book sales likewise won't matter; > just look at all those volumes of Stephen Vincent Benet or Edwin Arlington > Robinson mouldering away in used bookshops. Who is today's version of S.V. > Benet is a fun game to play, but by definition we won't be around to learn > the answer. > > I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. > The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to > make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality > of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never > finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to > the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn > purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. > > Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion > would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot > the author's name. > > Now if I wished, I could trumpet loudly the Comma Poet's virtues. I could > call for greater acceptance of punctuationally rich poetry. I could issue > manifestoes on the subject. I could complain that Helen Vendler et al. > persistently ignore the very existence of the Comma Poet. After all, is it > too much to ask that mainstream critics devote some brief attention to the > fascinating topic of Comma Poetry? They must be closed minded. By ignoring > Comma Poetry, they refuse to acknowledge the full variety of what's out > there. > > I might even have a jolly good time at it. Fine. But nothing I did or > said or wrote would alter the outcome. Oblivion will arrive--sooner for > some, later for others--but it will come. For our poor Comma Poet oblivion > was speedy indeed, mainly because what he wrote was silly and annoying and > most sensible readers rightly ignored him even if he happened to cross their > paths. > > > > On 4/22/09 5:12 PM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > > Michael Snider wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > > > In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one > kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in > the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. > > > > > > > I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance of > jazz without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. > > > Think bookstore; limited space; to add a couple of volumes of visual > poetry, you have to subtract something. One wanting more visual poetry > would have to argue against the value of what's to be replaced, yes? > > --Bob > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/51f59f7c/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 19:05:35 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com> Even granting that analogy (which I don't), there is a real difference between Bob saying: "this book is great, you should have it on your shelf" vs "this book is great, so much better than sad book x which you shouldn't be reading and should get rid of." c On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Michael Snider wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: >> >> ?In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance of one >> kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of other kinds, in >> the process suggesting some kind of defect in the latter. > > I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance of jazz > without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. > > Think bookstore; limited space; to add a couple of volumes of visual poetry, > you have to subtract something.? One wanting more visual poetry would have > to argue against the value of what's to be replaced, yes? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 20:49:56 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><49EF 965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > Even granting that analogy (which I don't), The shelfspace analogy, Chris? I don't see how you can fail to grant its applicability. However you define recognition, there's only so much of it to go around. If you give more of it to vizpo than you had, then you have to be giving less of it to some other kind of poetry. > there is a real difference between Bob saying: > "this book is great, you should have it on your > shelf" vs "this book is great, so much better than > sad book x which you shouldn't be reading and > should get rid of." Sure. Still, you can't promote one book without demoting some other book or books. --Bob From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 20:03:58 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com> <49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > The shelfspace analogy, Chris? ?I don't see how you can fail to grant its > applicability. ? However you define recognition, there's only so much of it > to go around. ?If you give more of it to vizpo than you had, ?then you have > to be giving less of it to some other kind of poetry. It fails because very few people (if any) are exercising 100% of their capacity to recognize, enjoy, devour, etc... so it isn't zero sum. > Sure. ?Still, you can't promote one book without demoting some other book or > books. Sure there is... I just showed you how. You can do the promotion-- leave the demotion to me, since it's according to my appetite and desire whether it's necessary to demote or not (see above). c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 21:13:03 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49EFC09F.8050004@nut-n-but.net> David Graham wrote: > "Acceptance" is a somewhat tricky concept, seems to me. For starters, > are we thinking about critical or popular acceptance? Academic or > common reader? Other writers or the educated reader? Think of the > career of Donald Justice, for example. A good example of a poet's > poet, seems to me. Well reviewed and rewarded, always, with many > glowing blurbs by fellow poets. A thoroughly Establishment poet, and > in my view a wonderful one. But in terms of sales, never truly > popular, even in the small pond of contemporary poetry, to the extent > that many others of that generation have been. > > There are further complications. As Michael Snider has pointed out, > there's only one kind of acceptance that counts in the long run, and > that's durability over time. I would add the other things besides acceptance count. A poet can contribute to the craft of poetry and be forgotten while his contribution lives on forever. > A critic, anthologist, talk show host, or whomever might well generate > some boosted sales today, but if people don't like what they read, > that work will fade eventually into oblivion. No amount of critical > boost will rescue work that readers don't enjoy. Oblivion will be the > fate of almost every poet, in fact. > > What Helen Vendler says about, say, Dave Smith or Jorie Graham will > ultimately not matter. And contemporary book sales likewise won't > matter; just look at all those volumes of Stephen Vincent Benet or > Edwin Arlington Robinson mouldering away in used bookshops. Who is > today's version of S.V. Benet is a fun game to play, but by definition > we won't be around to learn the answer. > Well, for one thing, what counts for this kind of acceptance is votes, and critics' votes count. It seems to me that early votes count quite a bit, too. Also, while a critic can't boost a poor poet into lasting acceptance, it is at least theoretically possible that critics might prevent a world-class poet from any recognition by ignoring his poetry, or even ignoring the very kind of poetry he composes. I believe I am seeing this right now, not with regard to my own poetry but with regard to that of other poets, particularly John M. Bennett. It's hard to say, though, because it's near-impossible to be invisible nowadays dues to the micropress, then the Internet. But due to over-population, it's hard not to be effectively invisible even if you publish over a hundred books, as John has. > I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in > college. The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, > I suppose to make some point about language, I don't know. > Emphasizing the materiality of words? It was extremely irksome > reading, in any event, and I never finished the book. But *someone* > had found that book worthy, had gone to the trouble and expense to > publish it, and the library had in turn purchased, catalogued, and > preserved it. > > Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of > promotion would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I > long ago forgot the author's name. I've never done that but I certainly don't see why the device couldn't yield a first-rate poem if used intelligently. No, I have no ideas myself how to get a good poem out of it, but Mike Basinski made a terrific poem out of Poe's "Bells" just by removing all its vowels. Or was it all its consonants? I can't find what I wrote about it, nor a copy of the poem. Maybe I was the only one taken with it, but I really liked it. > > Now if I wished, I could trumpet loudly the Comma Poet's virtues. I > could call for greater acceptance of punctuationally rich poetry. I > could issue manifestoes on the subject. I could complain that Helen > Vendler et al. persistently ignore the very existence of the Comma > Poet. After all, is it too much to ask that mainstream critics devote > some brief attention to the fascinating topic of Comma Poetry? They > must be closed minded. By ignoring Comma Poetry, they refuse to > acknowledge the full variety of what's out there. > > I might even have a jolly good time at it. Fine. But nothing I did > or said or wrote would alter the outcome. Oblivion will > arrive--sooner for some, later for others--but it will come. For our > poor Comma Poet oblivion was speedy indeed, mainly because what he > wrote was silly and annoying and most sensible readers rightly ignored > him even if he happened to cross their paths. No chance you were wrong him, David? It sounds like the kind of thing John M. Bennett might have done. 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I don't see how you can fail to grant its >> applicability. However you define recognition, there's only so much of it >> to go around. If you give more of it to vizpo than you had, then you have >> to be giving less of it to some other kind of poetry. >> > > It fails because very few people (if any) are exercising 100% of their > capacity to recognize, enjoy, devour, etc... so it isn't zero sum. > Well, I'd say everyone is. If right now you haven't the energy to read a poem, it doesn't mean you aren't exercising 100% of your capacity to do so, it means that your capacity has reached its limit and you have to rest. But forget that. Back to the bookstore. Say I have a little bookstore and have space for twenty books of poetry. You try to get me to stock a copy of X's collection. How can I stock it without removing somebody else's collection? Yeah, increase the size of my store. But what if I can't afford to? > >> Sure. Still, you can't promote one book without demoting some other book or >> books. >> > > Sure there is... I just showed you how. You can do the promotion-- > leave the demotion to me, since it's according to my appetite and > desire whether it's necessary to demote or not (see above). I'm saying that by promoting the book, I'm demoting some other book (in effect). I'm saying Book A is better than some Book B. Sure, you can agree or disagree, but that doesn't mean I have not tried to convince you that Book B is inferior to Book A. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/64a4a827/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 21:37:43 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Punctuation Poem for Winter (Anny?) In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><9b1b 9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com><49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EFC667.3070409@nut-n-but.net> sky 's piecemeal descent of buildings' & trees' dark sides; its mix with tr,a,f::f;i;c. --Bob Grumman, 1964 From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 21:47:13 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Punctuation Poem for Winter (Anny?)-Correction In-Reply-To: <49EFC667.3070409@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-b ut.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net><49EF232E.8000803@opus40.or g><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b9 5b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com><49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> <49EFC667.3070409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <49EFC8A1.9030402@nut-n-but.net> > > sky > > 's piecemeal descent > of buildings' & trees' dark sides; > > > its mix with > > tr,a,f:f;i;c. > > > > --Bob Grumman, 1964 From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 20:55:27 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EFC583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> <49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> <49EFC583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904221755k200f6e58y24c9c975191900df@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Well, I'd say everyone is.? If right now you haven't the energy to read a > poem, it doesn't mean you aren't exercising 100% of your capacity to do so, > it means that your capacity has reached its limit and you have to rest. I don't consider "not having energy or time left" to be the most common case by a long shot. It sure isn't for me... nor for anyone I know so far except, perhaps, yourself. > But forget that.? Back to the bookstore.? Say I have a little bookstore and > have space for twenty books of poetry.? You try to get me to stock a copy of > X's collection.? How can I stock it without removing somebody else's > collection?? Yeah, increase the size of my store.? But what if I can't > afford to? Apples and oranges... it doesn't cost me much to choose to read a new poem or poet you introduce. And in any case there's no need for YOU to try to manage MY inventory or store size. It's awfully presumptuous to do so. > I'm saying that by promoting the book, I'm demoting some other book (in > effect).? I'm saying Book A is better than some Book B.? Sure, you can agree > or disagree, but that doesn't mean I have not tried to convince you that > Book B is inferior to Book A. And I'm saying a) you don't even need to bother with Book B if Book A is any good (unless there's actually a solid connection or relationship between them, which is different) and b) your shrill cries of Wilshberia, etc when someone posts a poem they like collectively represent a rather different case from you formula above.... which was what I was referring to when I mentioned that it wasn't your promotion but your constant demotion-- and particularly when they aren't paired activities at all (and even when they *are* I think that approach does your cause a disservice!) c From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 21:24:09 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EFC583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net> <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><9b1b 9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b95b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com><49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> <49EFC583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <407897.43267.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm still chuckling at using the space on a bookshelf as an analogy for promoting (or not) poetry. The bookshelf analogy is flawed simply because the shop owner--if he's trying to stay in business, that is--is allocating as little space as possible to poetry, regardless of the style (plaintext or textwanting). And even the books chosen say nothing about the critical worth of the poetry. And even if the shop owner fancies himself a poetry maven, it doesn't mean that his acuity is at all in line with the accepted beliefs (whether common man or critics). And even if he does live in a certain critical suburb (either Wilshberia or Gummbennettville), that doesn't mean that's what will be populated in 50 years. Or 500. And even if that critical suburb is still busy with commuters 500 years from now, it will have nothing to do with whether this or that poet's book was one of the twently on the shelf 500 years before. And even if... (On&on, world without end) ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:33:55 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question Chris Lott wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: The shelfspace analogy, Chris? I don't see how you can fail to grant its applicability. However you define recognition, there's only so much of it to go around. If you give more of it to vizpo than you had, then you have to be giving less of it to some other kind of poetry. It fails because very few people (if any) are exercising 100% of their capacity to recognize, enjoy, devour, etc... so it isn't zero sum. Well, I'd say everyone is. If right now you haven't the energy to read a poem, it doesn't mean you aren't exercising 100% of your capacity to do so, it means that your capacity has reached its limit and you have to rest. But forget that. Back to the bookstore. Say I have a little bookstore and have space for twenty books of poetry. You try to get me to stock a copy of X's collection. How can I stock it without removing somebody else's collection? Yeah, increase the size of my store. But what if I can't afford to? Sure. Still, you can't promote one book without demoting some other book or books. Sure there is... I just showed you how. You can do the promotion-- leave the demotion to me, since it's according to my appetite and desire whether it's necessary to demote or not (see above). I'm saying that by promoting the book, I'm demoting some other book (in effect). I'm saying Book A is better than some Book B. Sure, you can agree or disagree, but that doesn't mean I have not tried to convince you that Book B is inferior to Book A. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Snider wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob Grumman > wrote: > > In any case, it's impossible to argue for the greater acceptance > of one kind of poetry without asking for the reduced acceptance of > other kinds, in the process suggesting some kind of defect in the > latter. > > > I don't see why its a zero-sum game. I can argue for more acceptance > of jazz without arguing for less acceptance of rock and roll or classical. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 22 21:58:43 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy birthday Message-ID: <49EFCB53.9030002@opus40.org> Charles Mingus. -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 23:12:17 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <407897.43267.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-b ut.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net><49EF232E.8000803@opus40.or g><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b9 5b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com><49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com><49EFC 583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> <407897.43267.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EFDC91.60606@nut-n-but.net> John Jeffrey wrote: > I'm still chuckling at using the space on a bookshelf as an analogy > for promoting (or not) poetry. > > The bookshelf analogy is flawed simply because the shop owner--if he's > trying to stay in business, that is--is allocating as little space as > possible to poetry, regardless of the style (plaintext or > textwanting). And even the books chosen say nothing about the > critical worth of the poetry. And even if the shop owner fancies > himself a poetry maven, it doesn't mean that his acuity is at all in > line with the accepted beliefs (whether common man or critics). And > even if he does live in a certain critical suburb (either Wilshberia > or Gummbennettville), that doesn't mean that's what will be populated > in 50 years. Or 500. And even if that critical suburb is still busy > with commuters 500 years from now, it will have nothing to do with > whether this or that poet's book was one of the twently on the shelf > 500 years before. And even if... > > (On&on, world without end) My point was that when one applauds any X, one necessarily is attempting to raise its value, which necessarily entails lowering the value of the competition. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/a733995d/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Apr 22 23:15:32 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EFC36A.6010802@opus40.org> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com> <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net><49EF232E.8000803@opus40.org> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> <49EFC36A.6010802@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49EFDD54.4000802@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > I agree. It's like saying if you have two kids you've gotta love the > first one less. > Oh, no, Mole. Love is infinite. And, for poets, so is shelfspace. And for Americans, so is money, so our current problems are imaginary. --Bob G. From jjeffreymail at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 22:51:40 2009 From: jjeffreymail at yahoo.com (John Jeffrey) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49EFDC91.60606@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EE2963.4030409@nut-n-but.net><49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-b ut.net><9b1b9dab0904212352i4534b16bob78254f023521e6b@mail.gmail.com><49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net><49EF232E.8000803@opus40.or g><49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net><6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com><9b1b9dab0904221605h7bbced2ey54b9 5b3c1ff222ff@mail.gmail.com><49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com><49EFC 583.9010707@nut-n-but.net> <407897.43267.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49EFDC91.60606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <312327.56715.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I understand your point; I just don't agree with it. I don't think saying, "Dickinson is good, buy her book," lowers Whitman's value. Nor do I think that if I owned a shop and stocked her but not him, it would affect his value as a poet. (It may affect his book sales if everyone followed my lead, but he's dead anyway.) Now, I think I'll go read some Cummings or Larkin, which doesn't mean that Stevens or Hughes is no good. Then again, the bookshelf IS getting a bit crowded. Hmmm. It may be time for a purge. Let's see, who will be voted off the shelf...? JohnJ ________________________________ From: Bob Grumman To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:12:17 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question John Jeffrey wrote: I'm still chuckling at using the space on a bookshelf as an analogy for promoting (or not) poetry. The bookshelf analogy is flawed simply because the shop owner--if he's trying to stay in business, that is--is allocating as little space as possible to poetry, regardless of the style (plaintext or textwanting). And even the books chosen say nothing about the critical worth of the poetry. And even if the shop owner fancies himself a poetry maven, it doesn't mean that his acuity is at all in line with the accepted beliefs (whether common man or critics). And even if he does live in a certain critical suburb (either Wilshberia or Gummbennettville), that doesn't mean that's what will be populated in 50 years. Or 500. And even if that critical suburb is still busy with commuters 500 years from now, it will have nothing to do with whether this or that poet's book was one of the twently on the shelf 500 years before. And even if... (On&on, world without end) My point was that when one applauds any X, one necessarily is attempting to raise its value, which necessarily entails lowering the value of the competition. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/36369c37/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Apr 23 00:14:42 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> David, Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical, distractions from what you're saying here that others have supported with fun analogies, I want to confirm your analysis [below], and add a bit for folks to play with. Some time on this list Robin Hamilton said that all the canonised poets had been hugely successful and well recognised in their lifetimes, two exceptions being Blake and Dickinson. Let's assume he's correct. Let's also assume that countless similarly worthy Poet Worthies didn't get read at all for reasons we could enumerate, and that other Worthies only got read by their family, friends, and neighbours, none of whom had the status or ear of Those Who Can Get A Worthy Published. We're left, then, with a highly winnowed list of Worthies. These folks' works have been bought and read by millions for hundreds of years---and for the reasons you posit. We're left, then, with something like Bob's WEPD [What Excellent Poems Do] to explain WHY the Worthies continue to be canonised. Now I'll title and briefly describe certain lumps of poets being touted by educators/critics/poet-"historians"/anthologisers for, say, decades, and then dropped off The List. [Bob will like this because it categorises and has new names for categories] And after that, I'll say what the following lumps of poets lack that precludes their staying Worthy in the eyes/ears of "us" over the centuries who keep poets at the top. SHAKERS N BREAKERS: Let's try anything new, or bunions gone wild, or goose fur or.... DISSECTERS: Look at line-length---no, look at repetition repeatedly---no, look at.... INTELLECTERS: Whatever works the mind into a frenzy can't miss, I'm thinking. RE-FRESHENERS: I got rhythm better than they did! BACK TO GROUND ZEROERS: I got rhythm and it's all I need....'til I get semi-colons. BEEN THERE DONE THAT LET'S DO IT SOME MORE: Imitation, imitation, imitation. INCOMPREHENSIBLERS: You figure it out; it ain't my job. LET'S PRETEND IT'S POETRYERS: 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop What do these poet-groups lack? Something very like meeting the tick-list [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. It's not rocket science. It's just damned difficult to write Excellent poetry. Best, Judy 2009/4/22 David Graham > "Acceptance" is a somewhat tricky concept, seems to me. For starters, > are we thinking about critical or popular acceptance? Academic or common > reader? Other writers or the educated reader? Think of the career of > Donald Justice, for example. A good example of a poet's poet, seems to me. > Well reviewed and rewarded, always, with many glowing blurbs by fellow > poets. A thoroughly Establishment poet, and in my view a wonderful one. > But in terms of sales, never truly popular, even in the small pond of > contemporary poetry, to the extent that many others of that generation have > been. > > There are further complications. As Michael Snider has pointed out, > there's only one kind of acceptance that counts in the long run, and that's > durability over time. A critic, anthologist, talk show host, or whomever > might well generate some boosted sales today, but if people don't like what > they read, that work will fade eventually into oblivion. No amount of > critical boost will rescue work that readers don't enjoy. Oblivion will be > the fate of almost every poet, in fact. > > What Helen Vendler says about, say, Dave Smith or Jorie Graham will > ultimately not matter. And contemporary book sales likewise won't matter; > just look at all those volumes of Stephen Vincent Benet or Edwin Arlington > Robinson mouldering away in used bookshops. Who is today's version of S.V. > Benet is a fun game to play, but by definition we won't be around to learn > the answer. > > I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. > The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to > make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality > of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never > finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to > the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn > purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. > > Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion > would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot > the author's name. > > Now if I wished, I could trumpet loudly the Comma Poet's virtues. I could > call for greater acceptance of punctuationally rich poetry. I could issue > manifestoes on the subject. I could complain that Helen Vendler et al. > persistently ignore the very existence of the Comma Poet. After all, is it > too much to ask that mainstream critics devote some brief attention to the > fascinating topic of Comma Poetry? They must be closed minded. By ignoring > Comma Poetry, they refuse to acknowledge the full variety of what's out > there. > > I might even have a jolly good time at it. Fine. But nothing I did or > said or wrote would alter the outcome. Oblivion will arrive--sooner for > some, later for others--but it will come. For our poor Comma Poet oblivion > was speedy indeed, mainly because what he wrote was silly and annoying and > most sensible readers rightly ignored him even if he happened to cross their > paths. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best to all, Anny On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >> sky >> >> 's piecemeal descent >> of buildings' & trees' dark sides; >> >> >> its mix with >> >> tr,a,f:f;i;c. >> >> >> >> --Bob Grumman, 1964 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the amount of space in a bookstore is not infinite, how can stocking Dickinson and not Whitman neither promote nor demote either one--for that bookstore? I won't argue this anymore. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 23 07:47:35 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> Judy Prince wrote: > David, > > Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical What's illogical? Amusing list, Judy, but why is > 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop not a poem? If it's not a poem, what is it. Understand that I'm not asking whether or not it is a good poem. > What do these poet-groups lack? Something very like meeting the > tick-list [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. Unfortunately, we don't know that. They may just be lacking good pr. If Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time understands it, there's a good chance it won't reach the attention of later generations. --Bob From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Apr 23 07:42:41 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904230442v6c5e8c2p8d53c5c04afdeb34@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Bob, You had a clever pack of poets who argued you down and with good humour; I can't do better. I'm glad you enjoyed my list. If anything can be labelled a poem, then my purpose-built nonsense math-word formula is a poem. I do feel pride of parenthood about it, so let's call me, for the moment, a member of my last 'lump' group, the LET'S PRETEND IT'S POETRYERS. As doubtless has happened countless times, unrecognised worthy poets, as you note, may be misunderstood Worthies. Perhaps we'll see and understand....or p'raps our great-grandchildren will. Best, Judy 2009/4/23 Bob Grumman > Judy Prince wrote: > >> David, >> >> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical >> > What's illogical? > > Amusing list, Judy, but why is > >> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop >> > not a poem? If it's not a poem, what is it. Understand that I'm not > asking whether or not it is a good poem. > >> What do these poet-groups lack? Something very like meeting the tick-list >> [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. >> > Unfortunately, we don't know that. They may just be lacking good pr. If > Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time understands it, there's > a good chance it won't reach the attention of later generations. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/65590468/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 07:43:35 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: Aha! The Battle of the Nomenclators is joined. Have at it, guys and gals. Maybe you can make the list of 10 Best Wars. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Judy Prince wrote: > >> David, >> >> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical >> > What's illogical? > > Amusing list, Judy, but why is > >> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop >> > not a poem? If it's not a poem, what is it. Understand that I'm not > asking whether or not it is a good poem. > >> What do these poet-groups lack? Something very like meeting the tick-list >> [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. >> > Unfortunately, we don't know that. They may just be lacking good pr. If > Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time understands it, there's > a good chance it won't reach the attention of later generations. > > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/229b6452/attachment.html From browning at splitthisrock.org Thu Apr 23 08:01:36 2009 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great, Hal. My own spam offering: Subject: Fucking St. Valentine Found poem What are you to do if you have bad erection? Especially in the forthcoming Saint Valentines Day??? Don't worry, it is not the last of pea-time... The most simple way is to visit our site, order the medication and that is all you are to do! Do not kill the clock! Sarah ** Sarah Browning Co-Director Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org 202-787-5210 _____ From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:17 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views; Poetryetc Subject: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet Spam Sonnet A la recherche d'un emploi? You won't ever have to explain your flaccidness to her again. You can have the meds you need for 70% less. Looking for a new foundational opportunity? Do you want scientifically to debunk the Bible? You can view this message as a website here. Hi man, was thinking of the old times and thought of you. Sign in here to chat awhile. Replica watches, direct from manufacturer. Spanish fly! This may solve the only real problem you have. Anyone with sufficient work experience can become a CEO. Do you prefer to spend less, get more? Don't let food be your greatest concern. Nothing heals better! Beautiful Russian women are eager to meet you! Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/f8441bea/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 08:30:49 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And thanks for yours, Sarah. I enjoyed it. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:01 AM, browning wrote: > Great, Hal. My own spam offering: > > > > Subject: Fucking St. Valentine > > * Found poem* > > > > What are you to do if you have > > bad erection? Especially > > in the forthcoming Saint Valentines Day??? > > Don?t worry, it is not the last of pea-time... > > The most simple way is to > > visit our site, > > order the medication and > > that is all you are to do! > > > > Do not kill the clock! > > > > > > Sarah > > > > ** > > Sarah Browning > > Co-Director > > Split This Rock Poetry Festival > > c/o Institute for Policy Studies > > 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 > > Washington, DC 20036 > > browning@splitthisrock.org > > www.splitthisrock.org > > 202-787-5210 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto: > new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of *Halvard Johnson > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:17 PM > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views; Poetryetc > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet > > > > Spam Sonnet > > *A la recherche d?un emploi*? You won?t ever have to explain > your flaccidness to her again. You can have the meds you need > for 70% less. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/61606c71/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Apr 23 10:51:14 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: <49EF965D.8080606@nut-n-but.net> <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904230751h64c3c685k35482f17e77143f2@mail.gmail.com> Gaaaa! I always love a cheering section! Best, WonderWoman 2009/4/23 Halvard Johnson > Aha! The Battle of the Nomenclators is joined. Have at it, > guys and gals. Maybe you can make the list of 10 Best Wars. > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > --Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Judy Prince wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical >>> >> What's illogical? >> >> Amusing list, Judy, but why is >> >>> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop >>> >> not a poem? If it's not a poem, what is it. Understand that I'm not >> asking whether or not it is a good poem. >> >>> What do these poet-groups lack? Something very like meeting the >>> tick-list [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. >>> >> Unfortunately, we don't know that. They may just be lacking good pr. If >> Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time understands it, there's >> a good chance it won't reach the attention of later generations. >> >> >> --Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.webexhibits.org/poetry/index.html > > Poetry through the Ages > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From lattaj at umich.edu Thu Apr 23 12:04:29 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (lattaj@umich.edu) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Quoting David Graham : > > I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. > The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to > make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality > of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never > finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to > the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn > purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. > > Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion > would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot > the author's name. > David, Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. John From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 12:16:04 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: Alice Notley does something similar--by weirding the spacing between words. Equally annoying? http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/notley/indreams.html Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM, wrote: > Quoting David Graham : > > > >> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in >> college. >> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the >> materiality >> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to >> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >> >> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion >> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago >> forgot >> the author's name. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/faf9173d/attachment.html From lattaj at umich.edu Thu Apr 23 12:32:18 2009 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: Hal, I thought you were going to point to her longer things ("The Descent of Alette" is one) with "quotation marks" "interrupting the flow" "of reading comprehension"--yeah, it's hard to read and, for me, clads the whole thing in some kind of terminal irony. John On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Alice Notley does something similar--by weirding the spacing between > words. Equally annoying? > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/notley/indreams.html > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > --Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM, wrote: > >> Quoting David Graham : >> >> >> >>> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in >>> college. >>> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >>> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the >>> materiality >>> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >>> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to >>> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >>> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >>> >>> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion >>> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago >>> forgot >>> the author's name. >>> >> > From chris.lott at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 12:44:12 2009 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <49F04E3B.7080409@nut-n-but.net> References: <49EF002D.6010501@nut-n-but.net> <49EF515B.6090305@nut-n-but.net> <6768ac830904221222o53cd2929n1111efb822a165a@mail.gmail.com> <49EFBB34.8030902@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0904221703n3381a80an2eb704129ee36c67@mail.gmail.com> <407897.43267.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49EFDC91.60606@nut-n-but.net> <312327.56715.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49F04E3B.7080409@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0904230944p3e7ae3c8gc6f217372bb857e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > I won't argue this anymore. That's probably good, because your bookstore analogy doesn't fit very well and where it *doesn't* is precisely where you rely on it most. I think the concept of appreciation as a (generally) zero-sum game is a damaging one. I'll just circle back around to the beginning of this thread and note that your proselytization of vizpo is admirable and interesting, but your running down of the kinds of poetry you don't like (particularly when it isn't even part of-- or connected in any significant way to-- something you are promoting) is where the "problem" (which you first alluded to!) lies... and is ultimately counterproductive. c From halvard at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 13:07:29 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the reminder, John. I was thinking of that, but couldn't quite find the handle for it. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org 2009/4/23 John Latta > Hal, > > I thought you were going to point to her longer things ("The Descent of > Alette" is one) with "quotation marks" "interrupting the flow" "of reading > comprehension"--yeah, it's hard to read and, for me, clads the whole thing > in some kind of terminal irony. > > John > > > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Alice Notley does something similar--by weirding the spacing between >> words. Equally annoying? >> >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/notley/indreams.html >> >> Hal >> >> "The secret of managing is to keep the guys >> who hate you away from the guys who are >> undecided." >> --Casey Stengel >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard@gmail.com >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM, wrote: >> >> Quoting David Graham : >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in >>>> college. >>>> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >>>> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the >>>> materiality >>>> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >>>> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone >>>> to >>>> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >>>> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >>>> >>>> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of >>>> promotion >>>> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago >>>> forgot >>>> the author's name. >>>> >>>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/8bfa08a8/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Thu Apr 23 14:55:51 2009 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Writer-in-Residence applications sought In-Reply-To: <49EE7A89.5080703@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <5D7DB27FB8C54490A553CDFE071C22E2@win.louisiana.edu> The University of Louisiana Lafayette is seeking application for our Writer-in-Residence position. Because of the nature of the department, we are especially interested in fiction writers with the requisite reputation. I know this is a poetics list, but thought many on the list will know novelists and short story writers who may be interested. Here is the ad as it is running in MLA: Writer-in-Residence and Professor/Associate Professor of English. Tenure-track position, beginning Fall 2009. Creative Writing-Fiction. Duties: teaching one Creative Writing workshop per academic year, directing dissertations and theses, working with graduate and undergraduate students in creative writing, presenting at least one public reading or lecture each year, and participating in the department and university community. Continued publishing in field and other duties associated with holding a university position. Qualifications: International reputation as a creative writer as evidenced by awards and publications in prestigious international venues, extensive publications in creative genres (fiction, poetry, drama, creative non-fiction), professional experience in teaching advanced Creative Writing workshops. Salary competitive. Minority candidates are encouraged to apply. Send application letter, current CV, and names and addresses of three references to Professor James McDonald, Department Head, Department of English, University of Louisiana at Lafayette, P. O. Box 44691, Lafayette, LA 70504. UL Lafayette is a selective-admissions, state-supported university located in the heart of Louisiana's Acadian-Creole region. The department offers the B.A., M.A., and Ph.D. in English, as well as graduate concentrations in Literary Studies, Rhetoric, Creative Writing, Folklore, and Linguistics. AA/EEO compliant. http://english.louisiana.edu . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/2528468b/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Apr 23 17:18:09 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa In-Reply-To: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: Interesting. Here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on Villa: Writing style Villa described his use of commas after every word as similar to "Seurat's architectonic and measured pointillism?where the points of color are themselves the medium as well as the technique of statement". This unusual style forces the reader to pause after every word, slowing the pace of the poem resulting to what Villa calls "a lineal pace of dignity and movement". An example of Villa's "comma poems" can be found in an excerpt of his work #114: ? In, my, undream, of, death, I, unspoke, the, Word. Since, nobody, had, dared, With, my, own, breath, I, broke, the, cord! --------------------------- On 4/23/09 11:04 AM, "lattaj@umich.edu" wrote: > Quoting David Graham : > > >> >> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. >> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality >> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to >> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >> >> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion >> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot >> the author's name. >> > > David, > > Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, > who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about > him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 23 18:39:19 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question In-Reply-To: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: <49F0EE17.5020207@nut-n-but.net> > Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, > who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about > him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. > > John Thanks for this interesting data, John. I never heard of Villa. Seems I ought to have. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 23 18:44:40 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F0EF58.1070807@nut-n-but.net> David Graham wrote: > Interesting. Here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on Villa: > > > Writing style > > Villa described his use of commas after every word as similar to "Seurat's > architectonic and measured pointillism?where the points of color are > themselves the medium as well as the technique of statement". This unusual > style forces the reader to pause after every word, slowing the pace of the > poem resulting to what Villa calls "a lineal pace of dignity and movement". > An example of Villa's "comma poems" can be found in an excerpt of his work > #114: > > ? In, my, undream, of, death, > I, unspoke, the, Word. > Since, nobody, had, dared, > With, my, own, breath, > I, broke, the, cord! > --------------------------- Interesting that he stopped there. He'd've been closer to Seurat if he'd put his commas between letters, with maybe two after each word. Cummings used commas much more effectively, it seems to me. I consider Cummings the inventor of punctuation poetry, by the way. Anyone know different? I don't count myself much of a literary historian so could very well be wrong on this. --Bob From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 04:19:50 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa In-Reply-To: References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904240119s66c44287x209f5359f79c4bf7@mail.gmail.com> It is disturbing, and since he is referring to Seurat, maybe a dot - full stop - might have been better. On the other hand the same impressionists were wildly criticized when they first appeared. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Graham wrote: > Interesting. Here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on Villa: > > > Writing style > > Villa described his use of commas after every word as similar to "Seurat's > architectonic and measured pointillism?where the points of color are > themselves the medium as well as the technique of statement". This unusual > style forces the reader to pause after every word, slowing the pace of the > poem resulting to what Villa calls "a lineal pace of dignity and movement". > An example of Villa's "comma poems" can be found in an excerpt of his work > #114: > > ? In, my, undream, of, death, > I, unspoke, the, Word. > Since, nobody, had, dared, > With, my, own, breath, > I, broke, the, cord! > --------------------------- > > > > On 4/23/09 11:04 AM, "lattaj@umich.edu" wrote: > > > Quoting David Graham : > > > > > >> > >> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in > college. > >> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to > >> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the > materiality > >> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never > >> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone > to > >> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn > >> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. > >> > >> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of > promotion > >> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago > forgot > >> the author's name. > >> > > > > David, > > > > Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, > > who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about > > him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy birthday (TheOldMole) > ???2. Re: Poetics Question (Bob Grumman) > ???3. Re: Poetics Question (Bob Grumman) > ???4. Re: Poetics Question (John Jeffrey) > ???5. Re: Re: Poetics Question (Judy > Prince) > ???6. Re: A Punctuation Poem for Winter > (Anny?)-Correction > ? ? ? (Anny Ballardini) > ???7. a new site (Anny Ballardini) > ???8. Re: Poetics Question (Bob Grumman) > ???9. Re: Re: Poetics Question (Bob > Grumman) > ? 10. Re: Re: Poetics Question (Judy Prince) > ? 11. Re: Re: Poetics Question (Halvard Johnson) > ? 12. RE: Spam Sonnet (browning) > ? 13. Re: Spam Sonnet (Halvard Johnson) > ? 14. Re: Re: Poetics Question (Judy Prince) > ? 15. Re: a new site (TheOldMole) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:58:43 -0400 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy birthday > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49EFCB53.9030002@opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Charles Mingus. > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:12:17 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49EFDC91.60606@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > John Jeffrey wrote: > > I'm still chuckling at using the space on a bookshelf > as an analogy > > for promoting (or not) poetry. > > > > The bookshelf analogy is flawed simply because the > shop owner--if he's > > trying to stay in business, that is--is allocating as > little space as > > possible to poetry, regardless of the style (plaintext > or > > textwanting).? And even the books chosen say > nothing about the > > critical worth of the poetry.? And even if the > shop owner fancies > > himself a poetry maven, it doesn't mean that his > acuity is at all in > > line with the accepted beliefs (whether common man or > critics).? And > > even if he does live in a certain critical suburb > (either Wilshberia > > or Gummbennettville), that doesn't mean that's what > will be populated > > in 50 years.? Or 500.? And even if that > critical suburb is still busy > > with commuters 500 years from now, it will have > nothing to do with > > whether this or that poet's book was one of the > twently on the shelf > > 500 years before.? And even if... > > > > (On&on, world without end) > My point was that when one applauds any X, one necessarily > is attempting > to raise its value, which necessarily entails lowering the > value of the > competition. > > --Bob G. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/a733995d/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:32 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49EFDD54.4000802@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > TheOldMole wrote: > > I agree. It's like saying if you have two kids you've > gotta love the > > first one less. > > > Oh, no, Mole.? Love is infinite.? And, for > poets,? so is shelfspace.? > And for Americans,? so is money, so our current > problems are imaginary. > > --Bob G. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:51:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Jeffrey > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <312327.56715.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I understand your point; I just don't agree with it.? > I don't think saying, "Dickinson is good, buy her book," > lowers Whitman's value.? Nor do I think that if I owned > a shop and stocked her but not him, it would affect his > value as a poet.? (It may affect his book sales if > everyone followed my lead, but he's dead anyway.) > > Now, I think I'll go read some Cummings or Larkin, which > doesn't mean that Stevens or Hughes is no good.? Then > again, the bookshelf IS getting a bit crowded.? > Hmmm.? It may be time for a purge.? Let's see, who > will be voted off the shelf...? > > JohnJ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Grumman > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question > > John Jeffrey wrote: > I'm still chuckling at using the space on a bookshelf as > an > analogy for promoting (or not) poetry. > > The bookshelf analogy is flawed simply because the shop > owner--if he's > trying to stay in business, that is--is allocating as > little space as > possible to poetry, regardless of the style (plaintext or > textwanting).? And even the books chosen say nothing > about the critical > worth of the poetry.? And even if the shop owner > fancies himself a > poetry maven, it doesn't mean that his acuity is at all in > line with > the accepted beliefs (whether common man or critics).? > And even if he > does live in a certain critical suburb (either Wilshberia > or > Gummbennettville), that doesn't mean that's what will be > populated in > 50 years.? Or 500.? And even if that critical > suburb is still busy with > commuters 500 years from now, it will have nothing to do > with whether > this or that poet's book was one of the twently on the > shelf 500 years > before.? And even if...? > > (On&on, world without end) > > My point was that when one applauds any X, one necessarily > is > attempting to raise its value, which necessarily entails > lowering the > value of the competition.? > > --Bob G. > > > > ? ? ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090422/36369c37/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:14:42 -0400 > From: Judy Prince > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? <7db1d01b0904222114w15bd03ddt1f95eb12d80b4335@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > David, > Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if illogical, > distractions from > what you're saying here that others have supported with fun > analogies, I > want to confirm your analysis [below], and add a bit for > folks to play with. > > > Some time on this list Robin Hamilton said that all the > canonised poets had > been hugely successful and well recognised in their > lifetimes, two > exceptions being Blake and Dickinson.? Let's assume > he's correct.? Let's > also assume that countless similarly worthy Poet Worthies > didn't get read at > all for reasons we could enumerate, and that other Worthies > only got read by > their family, friends, and neighbours, none of whom had the > status or ear of > Those Who Can Get A Worthy Published. > > We're left, then, with a highly winnowed list of > Worthies.? These folks' > works have been bought and read by millions for hundreds of > years---and for > the reasons you posit. > > We're left, then, with something like Bob's WEPD [What > Excellent Poems Do] > to explain WHY the Worthies continue to be canonised. > > Now I'll title and briefly describe certain lumps of poets > being touted by > educators/critics/poet-"historians"/anthologisers for, say, > decades, and > then dropped off The List.? [Bob will like this > because it categorises and > has new names for categories] > > And after that, I'll say what the following lumps of poets > lack that > precludes their staying Worthy in the eyes/ears of "us" > over the centuries > who keep poets at the top. > > SHAKERS N BREAKERS:? Let's try anything new, or > bunions gone wild, or goose > fur or.... > > DISSECTERS:? Look at line-length---no, look at > repetition repeatedly---no, > look at.... > > INTELLECTERS:? Whatever works the mind into a frenzy > can't miss, I'm > thinking. > > RE-FRESHENERS:? I got rhythm better than they did! > > BACK TO GROUND ZEROERS:? I got rhythm and it's all I > need....'til I get > semi-colons. > > BEEN THERE DONE THAT LET'S DO IT SOME MORE:? > Imitation, imitation, > imitation. > > INCOMPREHENSIBLERS:? You figure it out; it ain't my > job. > > LET'S PRETEND IT'S POETRYERS:? 2 X 5+8 = po & tree > w no fullstop > > What do these poet-groups lack?? Something very like > meeting the tick-list > [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago.? It's not > rocket science.? It's > just damned difficult to write Excellent poetry. > > Best, > > Judy > > 2009/4/22 David Graham > > >? "Acceptance" is a somewhat tricky concept, seems > to me.? For starters, > > are we thinking about critical or popular > acceptance?? Academic or common > > reader?? Other writers or the educated > reader?? Think of the career of > > Donald Justice, for example.? A good example of a > poet's poet, seems to me. > >? Well reviewed and rewarded, always, with many > glowing blurbs by fellow > > poets.? A thoroughly Establishment poet, and in > my view a wonderful one. > >? But in terms of sales, never truly popular, even > in the small pond of > > contemporary poetry, to the extent that many others of > that generation have > > been. > > > > There are further complications.? As Michael > Snider has pointed out, > > there's only one kind of acceptance that counts in the > long run, and that's > > durability over time.? A critic, anthologist, > talk show host, or whomever > > might well generate some boosted sales today, but if > people don't like what > > they read, that work will fade eventually into > oblivion.? No amount of > > critical boost will rescue work that readers don't > enjoy.? Oblivion will be > > the fate of almost every poet, in fact. > > > > What Helen Vendler says about, say, Dave Smith or > Jorie Graham will > > ultimately not matter.? And contemporary book > sales likewise won't matter; > > just look at all those volumes of Stephen Vincent > Benet or Edwin Arlington > > Robinson mouldering away in used bookshops.? Who > is today's version of S.V. > > Benet is a fun game to play, but by definition we > won't be around to learn > > the answer. > > > > I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once > when I was in college. > >? The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after > every word, I suppose to > > make some point about language, I don't > know.???Emphasizing the materiality > > of words?? It was extremely irksome reading, in > any event, and I never > > finished the book.? But *someone* had found that > book worthy, had gone to > > the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library > had in turn > > purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. > > > > Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no > amount of promotion > > would make such a book last.???As of > course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot > > the author's name. > > > > Now if I wished, I could trumpet loudly the Comma > Poet's virtues.? I could > > call for greater acceptance of punctuationally rich > poetry.? I could issue > > manifestoes on the subject.? I could complain > that Helen Vendler et al. > > persistently ignore the very existence of the Comma > Poet.? After all, is it > > too much to ask that mainstream critics devote some > brief attention to the > > fascinating topic of Comma Poetry?? They must be > closed minded.? By ignoring > > Comma Poetry, they refuse to acknowledge the full > variety of what's out > > there. > > > > I might even have a jolly good time at it.? > Fine.? But nothing I did or > > said or wrote would alter the outcome.? Oblivion > will arrive--sooner for > > some, later for others--but it will come.? For > our poor Comma Poet oblivion > > was speedy indeed, mainly because what he wrote was > silly and annoying and > > most sensible readers rightly ignored him even if he > happened to cross their > > paths. > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/c9787d27/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:13:18 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Punctuation Poem for Winter > ??? (Anny?)-Correction > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? <4b65c2d70904230113k3a6a0d6bja1a9294ad4c76114@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Accepted! # > I am abroad at the moment, as soon as I get back I will > upload it. > Best to all, Anny > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > > > > >> sky > >> > >> 's piecemeal descent > >>? ? ? of buildings' & trees' > dark sides; > >> > >> > >>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? its mix with > >> > >>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? tr,a,f:f;i;c. > >> > >> > >> > >> --Bob Grumman, 1964 > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth > to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/53a2e4d2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:18:22 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: [New-Poetry] a new site > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? <4b65c2d70904230118o5bbaca48l716ab37b188e790d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.webexhibits.org/poetry/index.html > > Poetry through the Ages > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth > to a dancing > star! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/5384e2d7/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:17:15 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49F04E3B.7080409@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Well, John, I can't understand your reasoning.? If the > amount of space > in a bookstore is not infinite, how can stocking Dickinson > and not > Whitman neither promote nor demote either one--for that > bookstore? > > I won't argue this anymore. > > --Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:47:35 -0500 > From: Bob Grumman > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49F05557.3050201@nut-n-but.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Judy Prince wrote: > > David, > > > > Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if > illogical > What's illogical? > > Amusing list, Judy, but why is > > 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop > not a poem?? If it's not a poem, what is it.? > Understand that I'm not > asking whether or not it is a good poem. > > What do these poet-groups lack?? Something very > like meeting the > > tick-list [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months > ago. > Unfortunately, we don't know that.? They may just be > lacking good pr.? > If Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time > understands it, > there's a good chance it won't reach the attention of later > generations. > > --Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:42:41 -0400 > From: Judy Prince > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? <7db1d01b0904230442v6c5e8c2p8d53c5c04afdeb34@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, Bob, > You had a clever pack of poets who argued you down and with > good humour; I > can't do better. > > I'm glad you enjoyed my list. > > If anything can be labelled a poem, then my purpose-built > nonsense math-word > formula is a poem.? I do feel pride of parenthood > about it, so let's call > me, for the moment, a member of my last 'lump' group, the > LET'S PRETEND IT'S > POETRYERS. > > As doubtless has happened countless times, unrecognised > worthy poets, as you > note, may be misunderstood Worthies.? Perhaps we'll > see and understand....or > p'raps our great-grandchildren will. > > Best, > > Judy > > > > 2009/4/23 Bob Grumman > > > Judy Prince wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if > illogical > >> > > What's illogical? > > > > Amusing list, Judy, but why is > > > >> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop > >> > > not a poem?? If it's not a poem, what is > it.? Understand that I'm not > > asking whether or not it is a good poem. > > > >> What do these poet-groups lack?? Something > very like meeting the tick-list > >> [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. > >> > > Unfortunately, we don't know that.? They may just > be lacking good pr.? If > > Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time > understands it, there's > > a good chance it won't reach the attention of later > generations. > > > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/65590468/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:43:35 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Aha! The Battle of the Nomenclators is joined. Have at it, > guys and gals. Maybe you can make the list of 10 Best > Wars. > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ???--Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > Judy Prince wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if > illogical > >> > > What's illogical? > > > > Amusing list, Judy, but why is > > > >> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop > >> > > not a poem?? If it's not a poem, what is > it.? Understand that I'm not > > asking whether or not it is a good poem. > > > >> What do these poet-groups lack?? Something > very like meeting the tick-list > >> [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple months ago. > >> > > Unfortunately, we don't know that.? They may just > be lacking good pr.? If > > Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his time > understands it, there's > > a good chance it won't reach the attention of later > generations. > > > > > > --Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/229b6452/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:01:36 +0200 > From: "browning" > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet > To: , > "'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & > ??? Views'" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Great, Hal. My own spam offering: > > > > Subject: Fucking St. Valentine > > ? ? ? ? ? ? Found poem > > > > What are you to do if you have > > bad erection? Especially > > in the forthcoming Saint Valentines Day??? > > Don't worry, it is not the last of pea-time... > > The most simple way is to > > visit our site, > > order the medication and > > that is all you are to do! > > > > Do not kill the clock! > > > > > > Sarah > > > > ** > > Sarah Browning > > Co-Director > > Split This Rock Poetry Festival > > c/o Institute for Policy Studies > > 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 > > Washington, DC 20036 > > > browning@splitthisrock.org > > > www.splitthisrock.org > > 202-787-5210 > > > > ? _____? > > From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] > On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:17 PM > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views; > Poetryetc > Subject: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet > > > > Spam Sonnet > > A la recherche d'un emploi? You won't ever have to explain > > your flaccidness to her again. You can have the meds you > need > for 70% less. Looking for a new foundational opportunity? > > Do you want scientifically to debunk the Bible? You can > view > this message as a website here. Hi man, was thinking of the > old > times and thought of you. Sign in here to chat awhile. > Replica > > watches, direct from manufacturer. Spanish fly! This may > solve > the only real problem you have. Anyone with sufficient > work > experience can become a CEO. Do you prefer to spend less, > > get more? Don't let food be your greatest concern. Nothing > heals better! Beautiful Russian women are eager to meet > you! > > > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/f8441bea/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:30:49 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet > To: browning@splitthisrock.org > Cc: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > And thanks for yours, Sarah. I enjoyed it. > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ???--Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:01 AM, browning wrote: > > >? Great, Hal. My own spam offering: > > > > > > > > Subject: Fucking St. Valentine > > > > *? ? ? ? ? ? Found > poem* > > > > > > > > What are you to do if you have > > > > bad erection? Especially > > > > in the forthcoming Saint Valentines Day??? > > > > Don?t worry, it is not the last of pea-time... > > > > The most simple way is to > > > > visit our site, > > > > order the medication and > > > > that is all you are to do! > > > > > > > > Do not kill the clock! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarah > > > > > > > > ** > > > > Sarah Browning > > > > Co-Director > > > > Split This Rock Poetry Festival > > > > c/o Institute for Policy Studies > > > > 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 > > > > Washington, DC 20036 > > > > browning@splitthisrock.org > > > > www.splitthisrock.org > > > > 202-787-5210 > > > > > >? ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu > [mailto: > > new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] > *On Behalf Of *Halvard Johnson > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:17 PM > > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &,Views; Poetryetc > > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Spam Sonnet > > > > > > > > Spam Sonnet > > > > *A la recherche d?un emploi*? You won?t ever have > to explain > > your flaccidness to her again. You can have the meds > you need > > for 70% less. Looking for a new foundational > opportunity? > > > > Do you want scientifically to debunk the Bible? You > can view > > this message as a website *here*. Hi man, was thinking > of the old > > times and thought of you. Sign in here to chat awhile. > Replica > > > > watches, direct from manufacturer. Spanish fly! This > may solve > > the only real problem you have. Anyone with sufficient > work > > experience can become a CEO. Do you prefer to spend > less, > > > > get more? Don?t let food be your greatest concern. > Nothing > > heals better! Beautiful Russian women are eager to > meet you! > > * > > > > * > > > > > > Hal > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/61606c71/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:51:14 -0400 > From: Judy Prince > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Poetics Question > To: halvard@gmail.com, > "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, > ??? Views" > Message-ID: > ??? <7db1d01b0904230751h64c3c685k35482f17e77143f2@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Gaaaa!? I always love a cheering section! > Best, > > WonderWoman > > 2009/4/23 Halvard Johnson > > > Aha! The Battle of the Nomenclators is joined. Have at > it, > > guys and gals. Maybe you can make the list of 10 Best > Wars. > > > > Hal > > > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > > who hate you away from the guys who are > > undecided." > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? --Casey Stengel > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard@gmail.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > >> Judy Prince wrote: > >> > >>> David, > >>> > >>> Somewhat responding to Bob G's tantalizing, if > illogical > >>> > >> What's illogical? > >> > >> Amusing list, Judy, but why is > >> > >>> 2 X 5+8 = po & tree w no fullstop > >>> > >> not a poem?? If it's not a poem, what is > it.? Understand that I'm not > >> asking whether or not it is a good poem. > >> > >>> What do these poet-groups lack?? > Something very like meeting the > >>> tick-list [WEPD] that Bob offered a couple > months ago. > >>> > >> Unfortunately, we don't know that.? They may > just be lacking good pr.? If > >> Poet A writes great poetry but no critic of his > time understands it, there's > >> a good chance it won't reach the attention of > later generations. > >> > >> > >> --Bob > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090423/7e6a5d2b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:02:10 -0400 > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] a new site > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &??? Views" > ??? > Message-ID: <49F082F2.9060501@opus40.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > This is a very neat site. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > http://www.webexhibits.org/poetry/index.html > >? > > Poetry through the Ages > > > > -- > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give > birth to a > > dancing star! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >??? > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 58, Issue 33 > ****************************************** > From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 25 01:39:22 2009 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> <4b65c2d70904240119s66c44287x209f5359f79c4bf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've never entirely sure about Villa' 'comma poems', I think they make a strategy of tactic, as it were, that is to say they overstretch a localised effect. On the other hand, there are some poems of his that I like, such as that one about 'inviting a tiger for the weekend, eye of Blake'. best David Bircumshaw Website: http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa It is disturbing, and since he is referring to Seurat, maybe a dot - full stop - might have been better. On the other hand the same impressionists were wildly criticized when they first appeared. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Graham wrote: Interesting. Here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on Villa: Writing style Villa described his use of commas after every word as similar to "Seurat's architectonic and measured pointillism?where the points of color are themselves the medium as well as the technique of statement". This unusual style forces the reader to pause after every word, slowing the pace of the poem resulting to what Villa calls "a lineal pace of dignity and movement". An example of Villa's "comma poems" can be found in an excerpt of his work #114: ? In, my, undream, of, death, I, unspoke, the, Word. Since, nobody, had, dared, With, my, own, breath, I, broke, the, cord! --------------------------- On 4/23/09 11:04 AM, "lattaj@umich.edu" wrote: > Quoting David Graham : > > >> >> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. >> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >> make some point about language, I don't know. Emphasizing the materiality >> of words? It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >> finished the book. But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to >> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >> >> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion >> would make such a book last. As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot >> the author's name. >> > > David, > > Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, > who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about > him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090425/a60fac4e/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Sat Apr 25 10:40:25 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904240119s66c44287x209f5359f79c4bf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090423120429.7968432uoz6u3u68@web.mail.umich.edu> <4b65c2d70904240119s66c44287x209f5359f79c4bf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB93CAE74E9B36-1108-5249@webmail-dx22.sysops.aol.com> The extreme punctuation of Jose Garcia Villa is one of those examples of an innovation that lapses into the category of novelty. Since no other poet (of any note) took up his technique and no deep critical attention has been paid?to his?'commania'? he hasn't achieved any influence on successive generations. I first came across his work in old?anthology I picked up at used bookstore. At the time the?anthology was published?it was rare to?have?a poet with a?Spanish name on the contents page.?The?few poems collected therein, as I recall,?were conventional lyrics without all the commas between words. I guess his 'innovation' came later in his career. I might be making this up, but wasn't a book published in last couple year about Jose Garcia Villa's life? Finnegan?? -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 4:19 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jose Garcia Villa It is disturbing, and since he is referring to Seurat, maybe a dot - full stop -?might have been better. On the other hand the same impressionists were wildly criticized when they first appeared. ? On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Graham wrote: Interesting. ?Here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on Villa: Writing style Villa described his use of commas after every word as similar to "Seurat's architectonic and measured pointillism?where the points of color are themselves the medium as well as the technique of statement". This unusual style forces the reader to pause after every word, slowing the pace of the poem resulting to what Villa calls "a lineal pace of dignity and movement". An example of Villa's "comma poems" can be found in an excerpt of his work #114: ? ? ?In, my, undream, of, death, I, unspoke, the, Word. Since, nobody, had, dared, With, my, own, breath, I, broke, the, cord! --------------------------- On 4/23/09 11:04 AM, "lattaj@umich.edu" wrote: > Quoting David Graham : > > >> >> I remember pulling a book off the library shelf once when I was in college. >> The gimmick was that the poet put a comma after every word, I suppose to >> make some point about language, I don't know. ? Emphasizing the materiality >> of words? ?It was extremely irksome reading, in any event, and I never >> finished the book. ?But *someone* had found that book worthy, had gone to >> the trouble and expense to publish it, and the library had in turn >> purchased, catalogued, and preserved it. >> >> Even at age 18, however, it was obvious to me that no amount of promotion >> would make such a book last. ? As of course it hasn't, and I long ago forgot >> the author's name. >> > > David, > > Most likely Jos? Garcia Villa (1914-1997), born in the Philippines, > who invented the "comma poem," and, though I don't know much about > him, apparently not by any means a crank, or a lightweight. > > Joh n > > _______________________________________________ > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the future, friends, not the past. For a man plans, he has insurance, even if starlings come roost in his brain, scattering at the gunshot of dawn. It's not pretty, a man's dream--just how it is, stiff as a moldering photograph in these days before candids, when with one hand on a wide lapel and the other on a horse head cane he posed near the opened, unread Bible. Let us bring in the sheaves, Grandpa, whistle Dixie to beat the smoothest band, and listen all the time to the milkwagons clattering up the green cobblestones of time. --David Graham. *Second Wind*. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090426/4bb08e1d/attachment.html From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 26 12:56:26 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: <1A4CE92D-7666-4452-83DD-1A07CE71070E@ripon.edu> References: <1A4CE92D-7666-4452-83DD-1A07CE71070E@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20090426125527.03a9f5d0@earthlink.net> And here's one from me, vintage 1972. Oh my god that's a lot of years ago. FOR CHARLES IVES In 1926 Ives bought the house at 164 East 74th Street, which was their New York home for the rest of his life, with the music room on the top floor. Not long after they'd moved in--as Harmony recalled--"he came downstairs one day with tears in his eyes and said he couldn't seem to compose anymore--nothing went well, nothing sounded right." From then on he revised and got old sketches in shape. John Kirkpatrick, in Charles E. Ives Memos (New York: Norton, 1972), p. 279. It's easy to be indignant about what neglect did to him to guess what twenty years of singing with no one listening like what Williams said who also almost died of exhaustion that you die for lack of it until one day he comes downstairs broken by the strain of affirming while the country hardens around you even the leaves stiffening in polluted sunlight another war and another men who hate their lives thrown at each other for a moment's transcendence and an ideal patriotism that you constantly fought back to an earlier version of to the 44 who had survived the first winter and the first harvest hardly a village a remnant a community of scarecrows, and the leaves fall and you bury the dead ice cases the graveyard the forest empty not even Indians. You plant corn you kill birds the leaves for a moment the flesh of the world, radiant. You pluck your harvest the leaves die you huddle by the fire and praise the warmth. After that America as the place for the pure choice is over the primitive church as always the only church. They were dropped in a howling wilderness? The whole city howls around you. You have to stuff your ears to make music. At 11:51 AM 4/26/2009, you wrote: >An old one of mine. From a series of poems I wrote on music and >musicians, each one a sort of planxty. When the book was published >I expected to be asked a lot what the word "planxty" meant, but >somewhat to my surprise I almost never was. I don't think it's >because everyone already knows the word. I think it's because no >one read the poems. . . . > > >Planxty Charles Ives >How many buttons on your coat, Grandpa, >and are they brighter than mine? >Do they gleam like stars in the flag? >Go out at sunset to reel down the colors >that night would only bleach and burn. >No ice cream social now, no tea time, >no doilies riding the arms of our chairs. >This is the future, friends, not the past. >For a man plans, he has insurance, >even if starlings come roost in his brain, >scattering at the gunshot of dawn. >It's not pretty, a man's dream--just how it is, >stiff as a moldering photograph >in these days before candids, >when with one hand on a wide lapel >and the other on a horse head cane >he posed near the opened, unread Bible. >Let us bring in the sheaves, Grandpa, >whistle Dixie to beat the smoothest band, >and listen all the time to the milkwagons >clattering up the green cobblestones of time. > >--David Graham. *Second Wind*. Texas Tech University Press, 1990. > > >======================================== >David Graham >grahamd@ripon.edu > >Home Page: >http://web.mac.com/drjazz > >Poetry Library: >http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >========================================== > > > > >On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >>Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day >> >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles IvesCharles Ives >> Charles IveCsharles Ives >> Charles IvChesarles Ives >> Charles IChavesrles Ives >> Charles CharIvesles Ives >> CharlesCharl Iveses Ives >> CharleCharles Ivess Ives >> CharlCharles Iveses Ives >> CharCharles les IvesIves >> ChaCharles rlesIves Ives >> ChCharles Iarles Ivesves >> CCharles Ivesharles Ives >> CCharles Iharles Ivesves >> CChharles arlesIves Ives >> ChCharles arles IvesIves >> ChaCharles rlesIves Ives >> CharCharles les IvesIves >> CharlCharles Iveses Ives >> CharleCharles Ivess Ives >> CharlesCharl Iveses Ives >> Charles CharIvesles Ives >> Charles IChavesrles Ives >> Charles IvChaesrles Ives >> Charles IveCsharles Ives >> Charles IvesCharles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles >> Ives Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >>harles Ives >> Charles Ives >>arles Ives >> Cha rles I ves >>rle Ives >> C h ar les ves >>les Ies >> C h les ves >>l s Ives C ls ve >> Iv s C s v >>Iv >> v >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090426/961d19b1/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 13:51:46 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904260831k3c961962ya1af5eb5c5c0b8b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904260831k3c961962ya1af5eb5c5c0b8b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60904261051m727f4526s5a836b1e4d21640c@mail.gmail.com> Nah, Anny. Like this: C,h,a,r,l,e,s, , I,v,e,s,, a,r,l,e,s, , I,v,e,s, , C,h,a, , r,l,e,s, I, v,e,s, r,l,e, I,v,e,s, and so forth (it's tedious work) - Jim On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > If I can say, Hal, I would rework it in this way: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day >> >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> Charles Ives >> > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > Charles Ives > arles Ives > Cha rles I ves > rle Ives > C h ar les ves > les Ies > C h les ves > l s Ives C ls ve > Iv s C s v > Iv > v > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090426/55ab725f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Apr 26 17:55:31 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: <648208b60904261051m727f4526s5a836b1e4d21640c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904260831k3c961962ya1af5eb5c5c0b8b7@mail.gmail.c om> <648208b60904261051m727f4526s5a836b1e4d21640c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F4D853.3050205@nut-n-but.net> I think you are both missing the Ives blending that Hal's version has. I think of him mostly as forcing tunes together. The addition of commas is a good idea, but I wouldn't put one after each letter. Hmmm, I now see that Jim's version would continue, and retain the blending. I think using commas and various other simple devices, like miscapitalizations, reversed letters, etc., Hal could make a book-length suite on Ives. --Bob From junction at earthlink.net Sun Apr 26 17:04:30 2009 From: junction at earthlink.net (Mark Weiss) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: <49F4D853.3050205@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70904260831k3c961962ya1af5eb5c5c0b8b7@mail.gmail.c om> <648208b60904261051m727f4526s5a836b1e4d21640c@mail.gmail.com> <49F4D853.3050205@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20090426165323.03a6aca8@earthlink.net> Hal can answer for himself, but I assume that he's referring to The Fourth of July (was it? my stuff is still in storage), which contains Ives' memory of his father's experiment of having different bands approach the town square playing different tunes. Mark At 05:55 PM 4/26/2009, you wrote: >I think you are both missing the Ives blending that Hal's version has. >I think of him mostly as forcing tunes together. The addition of >commas is a good idea, but I wouldn't put one after each >letter. Hmmm, I now see that Jim's version would continue, and >retain the blending. I think using commas and various other simple >devices, like miscapitalizations, reversed letters, etc., Hal could >make a book-length suite on Ives. > >--Bob > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 17:23:53 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20090426165323.03a6aca8@earthlink.net> References: <648208b60904261051m727f4526s5a836b1e4d21640c@mail.gmail.com> <49F4D853.3050205@nut-n-but.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20090426165323.03a6aca8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60904261423w6707745fg309d656c99f0e6ee@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Hal can answer for himself, but I assume that he's referring to The Fourth > of July (was it? my stuff is still in storage), which contains Ives' memory > of his father's experiment of having different bands approach the town > square playing different tunes. Here in San Miguel, we have one band playing different tunes. At least it sounds that way. Could be each player playing the same tune in a different key. Hal knows it quite well. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090426/f0b57d54/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Apr 26 17:25:42 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Danbury, Connecticut: Parade on Charles Ives Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F4D156.80102@opus40.org> I really like this. 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A joyous noise and all that. At 05:23 PM 4/26/2009, you wrote: >On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Mark Weiss ><junction@earthlink.net> wrote: >Hal can answer for himself, but I assume that he's referring to The >Fourth of July (was it? my stuff is still in storage), which >contains Ives' memory of his father's experiment of having different >bands approach the town square playing different tunes. > > >Here in San Miguel, we have one band playing different tunes. At >least it sounds that way. Could be each player playing the same >tune in a different key. Hal knows it quite well. > >-- Jim >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org >http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning >http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf >http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html >http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescervantes/ >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Foreseeing" by Sharon Bryan, from *Flying Blind*. ? Sarabande Books, 1996. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a frightening thought. > Thanks, > Kaz > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:38:50 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Brain Music > > http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/551618/ > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Too soon the wine glasses will be empty, our stories told, the house covered with pine needles the wind has shaken from the trees. Other people will live here. We will vanish like children who traveled far in the dark, stars of snow in their hair, riding to enchanted Espergaerde. American Life in Poetry is made possible by The Poetry Foundation (www.poetryfoundation.org), publisher of Poetry magazine. It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright (c)2007 by Susan Browne, whose most recent book of poems is "Buddha's Dogs," Four Way Books, 2004. Poem reprinted from "Mississippi Review" Vol. 35, nos. 1-2, Spring 2007, and reprinted by permission of the author and publisher. Introduction copyright (c)2009 by The Poetry Foundation. The introduction's author, Ted Kooser, served as United States Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress from 2004-2006. We do not accept unsolicited manuscripts. ****************************** -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090427/aac2390a/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Apr 27 16:11:59 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tabloid poetry program Message-ID: <8CB958B8E319C54-224-A48@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> New course in?Extreme Sexual Poetics being offered UNM?... http://www.jjgallaher.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090428/843ab07e/attachment.html From halvard at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 10:54:53 2009 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music's Spell In-Reply-To: <8CB96262CEDD645-1E00-6C@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB96262CEDD645-1E00-6C@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I like your sending along these notices, JF, but I wish you'd distinguish between your own appraisals and advertising copy that might have come your way, rather than making us try to do so. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, wrote: > http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/04/27/musics-spell/ > Music?s Spell: Poems About Music and Musicians edited by Emily Fragos. It is > the newest installment in a series of pocket-sized poetry anthologies > published in classy (on fine paper and festooned with a ribbon bookmark), > bargain-priced, hardcover editions by Everyman?s Library Pocket Poets > series. > This is a collection of 162 poems by both the famous and obscure about the > power of music and musicians, and you?ll likely find several dozen of these > works are capable of setting your pulse racing and mind happily meandering. > > ________________________________ > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jforjames at aol.com Tue Apr 28 11:25:58 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music's Spell In-Reply-To: References: <8CB96262CEDD645-1E00-6C@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB962CC3690245-1E00-3BE@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> Usually I sign my remarks as?'Finnegan'. But I can add?'(quoted from article)' to my cuts?& pastes. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:54 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music's Spell I like your sending along these notices, JF, but I wish you'd distinguish etween your own appraisals and advertising copy that might have ome your way, rather than making us try to do so. Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson =============== alvard@gmail.com ttp://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home ttp://entropyandme.blogspot.com ttp://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com ttp://www.hamiltonstone.org n Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, wrote: http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/04/27/musics-spell/ Music?s Spell: Poems About Music and Musicians edited by Emily Fragos. It is the newest installment in a series of pocket-sized poetry anthologies published in classy (on fine paper and festooned with a ribbon bookmark), bargain-priced, hardcover editions by Everyman?s Library Pocket Poets series. This is a collection of 162 poems by both the famous and obscure about the power of music and musicians, and you?ll likely find several dozen of these works are capable of setting your pulse racing and mind happily meandering. ________________________________ An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I can add '(quoted from > article)' to my cuts & pastes. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:54 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music's Spell > > I like your sending along these notices, JF, but I wish you'd distinguish > between your own appraisals and advertising copy that might have > come your way, rather than making us try to do so. > > Hal > > "The secret of managing is to keep the guys > who hate you away from the guys who are > undecided." > --Casey Stengel > > Halvard Johnson > ================halvard@gmail.comhttp://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Homehttp://entropyandme.blogspot.comhttp://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.comhttp://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, wrote: > > http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/04/27/musics-spell/ > > Music?s Spell: Poems About Music and Musicians edited by Emily Fragos. It is > > the newest installment in a series of pocket-sized poetry anthologies > > published in classy (on fine paper and festooned with a ribbon bookmark), > > bargain-priced, hardcover editions by Everyman?s Library Pocket Poets > > series. > > This is a collection of 162 poems by both the famous and obscure about the > > power of music and musicians, and you?ll likely find several dozen of these > > works are capable of setting your pulse racing and mind happily meandering. > > > > ________________________________ > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090428/ac997f3f/attachment.html From oedipa at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:53:40 2009 From: oedipa at gmail.com (karen) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Susan Browne chosen by Ted Kooser In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904270706j5cb9e62dk12ddd9c7bbaf5109@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904270706j5cb9e62dk12ddd9c7bbaf5109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How awesome for her! I met her a few times back in the SF area via Kim Addonizio. Nice person. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > American Life in Poetry: Column 214 > > BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006 > > Susan Browne > > On Our Eleventh Anniversary > > You're telling that story again about your childhood, > > when you were five years old and rode your blue bicycle > > from Copenhagen to Espergaerde, and it was night > and snowing by the time you arrived, > > and your grandparents were so relieved to see you, > because all day no one knew where you were, > > you had vanished. We sit at our patio table under a faded green > umbrella, drinking wine in California's blue autumn, > > red stars of roses along the fence, trellising over the roof > of our ramshackle garage. Too soon the wine glasses will be empty, > > our stories told, the house covered with pine needles the wind > has shaken from the trees. Other people will live here. > > We will vanish like children who traveled far in the dark, > stars of snow in their hair, riding to enchanted Espergaerde. > > > American Life in Poetry is made possible by The Poetry Foundation (www.poetryfoundation.org), publisher of Poetry magazine. It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright (c)2007 by Susan Browne, whose most recent book of poems is "Buddha's Dogs," Four Way Books, 2004. Poem reprinted from "Mississippi Review" Vol. 35, nos. 1-2, Spring 2007, and reprinted by permission of the author and publisher. Introduction copyright (c)2009 by The Poetry Foundation. The introduction's author, Ted Kooser, served as United States Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress from 2004-2006. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090428/0f70b877/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 04:04:15 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Fwd: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 58, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <156699.53602.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <156699.53602.qm@web35903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5908b9b20904290104l55523ad0w3ffb7f884d4bad75@mail.gmail.com> This poem has telepathically remotely rehearsed the regret of my lips and joint appraisal of political leadership apathy, spending priorities and misspending,looting and no spending at all on basic amenityi like power generation,distribution and hazards of alternative electricity supply everywhere in Nigeria.You can hardly audibly call outside your office or home and be sure you can hear effectibvely what you re passing across the other fellow through the GSM -BECAUSE OF GENERATOR NOISE IN NIGERIA OF CURRENT DECADE.1990S TILL TODAY. It's a common sccene in the state secretariat to hear at least two generators in two departments.Besides it's public knowledge that ASO ROCK the local white house in Nigeria 's budget for diesel oil top pwer gens is in billions of naira!Then who else is going to press for power availability for all? I opine that generator use should be limited to standby power supply for hospitals for surgical theatres,school labs,immunization equipment and elsewhere power cut will be disastrous.The noise level of generators in Nigeria -is evidently getting beyond a healthy tolerable level.The increasing decibels is a health hazard which should be cut down by public campaign for power supply as an environmental civic right for a modern era of global village,city town -far beyond gowns' or elites possession.EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS LIGHT ENERGY FOR BASIC illumination,ventilation,refrigeration of food & vaccines,power computers & entertainment appliances and of course to read,to develop the mind not the routine educational reading,writing computing this power could be utilised. A health consultant visited India and noted there were rotten gens becuase they have not been put to use for years due to India 's witty strategy of building dams all over the big subcontinet -thereby also alleviating poverty. We visited Ghana on Rotary international fellowship in July 2007 & recently in Feb 2009 -the power situation is still stable.Each time this group group from Oluyole Rotarians went on this trip they arrived there 2am -yet no problem! i will revisit this! Thanks for sharing,reducing stress of lack and pollution palaver of generator noise in Nigeria poetically. GBEMI TIJANI MST On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Tony Marinho wrote: > Poem : THE NEW AFRICAN TALKING DRUM ? Tony Marinho > > > > The dreaded new African talking drum > > Drums day, night, dawn, dusk > > One message spread like a bush fire, > > Invading from village to presidential villa > > > > It speaks in all 340 tribal tongues > > It drums into dreams, destroying sleep themes > > But no one dances to the noisy polluting tune > > Of the new African talking drum > > > > It drums a dirge, mourning > > Causing a surge, warning, > > Triggering tears as power dies again, > > And again, again and again. > > > > To re-brand ?requires a 100,000Mw revolution > > Wake the electricity meter, use solar everyone > > No one will ever be truly ?*I fine pass my neighbour?** > > Till we silence the new African talking drum, the generator. > > > > * ?*I fine pass my neighbour? *is colloquial for a generator > > * * > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/5dfdc476/attachment.html From by.tjmst at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 04:07:43 2009 From: by.tjmst at gmail.com (BY TJMST) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: power menance in Nigeria -a barrier to literary creativity and healthy living-Gbemi tijani mst Message-ID: <5908b9b20904290107r5eafcae0qa5d0356a001afe26@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: BY TJMST Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 58, Issue 3 To: Tony Marinho Cc: "by. tjmst" , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, Educare Trust , tijanigbemi This poem has telepathically remotely rehearsed the regret of my lips and joint appraisal of political leadership apathy, spending priorities and misspending,looting and no spending at all on basic amenityi like power generation,distribution and hazards of alternative electricity supply everywhere in Nigeria.You can hardly audibly call outside your office or home and be sure you can hear effectibvely what you re passing across the other fellow through the GSM -BECAUSE OF GENERATOR NOISE IN NIGERIA OF CURRENT DECADE.1990S TILL TODAY. It's a common sccene in the state secretariat to hear at least two generators in two departments.Besides it's public knowledge that ASO ROCK the local white house in Nigeria 's budget for diesel oil top pwer gens is in billions of naira!Then who else is going to press for power availability for all? I opine that generator use should be limited to standby power supply for hospitals for surgical theatres,school labs,immunization equipment and elsewhere power cut will be disastrous.The noise level of generators in Nigeria -is evidently getting beyond a healthy tolerable level.The increasing decibels is a health hazard which should be cut down by public campaign for power supply as an environmental civic right for a modern era of global village,city town -far beyond gowns' or elites possession.EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS LIGHT ENERGY FOR BASIC illumination,ventilation,refrigeration of food & vaccines,power computers & entertainment appliances and of course to read,to develop the mind not the routine educational reading,writing computing this power could be utilised. A health consultant visited India and noted there were rotten gens becuase they have not been put to use for years due to India 's witty strategy of building dams all over the big subcontinet -thereby also alleviating poverty. We visited Ghana on Rotary international fellowship in July 2007 & recently in Feb 2009 -the power situation is still stable.Each time this group group from Oluyole Rotarians went on this trip they arrived there 2am -yet no problem! i will revisit this! Thanks for sharing,reducing stress of lack and pollution palaver of generator noise in Nigeria poetically. GBEMI TIJANI MST On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Tony Marinho wrote: > Poem : THE NEW AFRICAN TALKING DRUM ? Tony Marinho > > > > The dreaded new African talking drum > > Drums day, night, dawn, dusk > > One message spread like a bush fire, > > Invading from village to presidential villa > > > > It speaks in all 340 tribal tongues > > It drums into dreams, destroying sleep themes > > But no one dances to the noisy polluting tune > > Of the new African talking drum > > > > It drums a dirge, mourning > > Causing a surge, warning, > > Triggering tears as power dies again, > > And again, again and again. > > > > To re-brand ?requires a 100,000Mw revolution > > Wake the electricity meter, use solar everyone > > No one will ever be truly ?*I fine pass my neighbour?** > > Till we silence the new African talking drum, the generator. > > > > * ?*I fine pass my neighbour? *is colloquial for a generator > > * * > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Prine Guy Clark Randy Newman Gordon Lightfoot Warren Zevon Jimmy Buffett ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/8fa1264b/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 10:12:37 2009 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60904290712v6800ab85l3060b0c5faa3a534@mail.gmail.com> Same # of syllables in first and last names? (1/1, 1/1, 2/2. 2/2 etc.) - Jim On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:00 AM, David Graham wrote: > Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? > John Prine > Guy Clark > Randy Newman > Gordon Lightfoot > Warren Zevon > Jimmy Buffett > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/6ccf3358/attachment.html From chris at chrislott.org Wed Apr 29 10:22:10 2009 From: chris at chrislott.org (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bet it involves Bob Dylan :) c On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Graham wrote: > Here's a small quiz. ?What do the following have in common? > John Prine > Guy Clark > Randy Newman > Gordon Lightfoot > Warren Zevon > Jimmy Buffett From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Wed Apr 29 10:30:04 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904290730v18e8c843u53a61851f8f240cf@mail.gmail.com> being males. 2009/4/29 David Graham > Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? > John Prine > Guy Clark > Randy Newman > Gordon Lightfoot > Warren Zevon > Jimmy Buffett > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/c036f398/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 29 10:31:06 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have a winner! Yes, Bob Dylan names those songwriters as his favorites in a recent interview. He does so without much waffling or qualification, interestingly. The entire interview is pretty interesting--it's up on Dylan's official website, www.bobdylan.com Here's what he says about John Prine: "Prine?s stuff is pure Proustian existentialism. Midwestern mindtrips to the nth degree. And he writes beautiful songs. I remember when Kris Kristofferson first brought him on the scene. All that stuff about SAM STONE the soldier junky daddy and DONALD AND LYDIA, where people make love from ten miles away. Nobody but Prine could write like that. If I had to pick one song of his, it might be LAKE MARIE." ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > Bet it involves Bob Dylan :) > > c > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Graham > wrote: >> Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? >> John Prine >> Guy Clark >> Randy Newman >> Gordon Lightfoot >> Warren Zevon >> Jimmy Buffett > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/695b93f6/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 10:31:28 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0904290731y6571047ag3d0d44d6fc4d5da5@mail.gmail.com> Have they all published books of poems? Jeff Newberry On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > Bet it involves Bob Dylan :) > > c > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Graham wrote: > > Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? > > John Prine > > Guy Clark > > Randy Newman > > Gordon Lightfoot > > Warren Zevon > > Jimmy Buffett > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/a4c381b6/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Apr 29 10:33:08 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics Message-ID: Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their credit. Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/58a942e2/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 10:42:30 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets Message-ID: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> Yeah--it was just a wild guess. I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive that Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, Jim Morrison comes to mind. Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, provide a link. Best, Jeff Newberry On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their > credit. > > Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter entrant > in the bad poetry sweepstakes. > > ------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/a1ae39cb/attachment.html From GrahamD at ripon.edu Wed Apr 29 10:45:09 2009 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Leonard Cohen, of course. But he published poetry books before his musical career got launched. David Graham Grahamd@Ripon.edu ------------------------ Home page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:43 AM, "Jeff Newberry" wrote: > Yeah--it was just a wild guess. > > I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm > positive that Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of > poems. Of course, Jim Morrison comes to mind. > > Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra > points, provide a link. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their > credit. > > Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter > entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. > > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and experience, from which each according to his own > immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/19c68971/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 11:00:43 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0904290800u27bad9eel19d406e8de84e16c@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I forgot (how could I?) about him. Other takers? Jeff Newberry On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > Leonard Cohen, of course. But he published poetry books before his musical > career got launched. > > David GrahamGrahamd@Ripon.edu > ------------------------ > Home page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:43 AM, "Jeff Newberry" > wrote: > > Yeah--it was just a wild guess. > > I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive that > Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, Jim > Morrison comes to mind. > > Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, > provide a link. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, < AlMaginnes@aol.com > > wrote: > >> Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their >> credit. >> >> Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter entrant >> in the bad poetry sweepstakes. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 4/29/09 10:00 AM, "Jeff Newberry" wrote: > Yes, I forgot (how could I?) about him. > > Other takers? > > > Jeff Newberry > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: >> Leonard Cohen, of course. But he published poetry books before his musical >> career got launched.? >> >> David Graham >> Grahamd@Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/b308d382/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 11:19:09 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904290800u27bad9eel19d406e8de84e16c@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> <731bb17a0904290800u27bad9eel19d406e8de84e16c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904290819s748aa09fkd3d90e7c106a11a1@mail.gmail.com> Patty Smith, Laurie Anderson, Lou Reed, ... On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Yes, I forgot (how could I?) about him. > > Other takers? > > > Jeff Newberry > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Graham, David wrote: > >> Leonard Cohen, of course. But he published poetry books before his musical >> career got launched. >> >> David GrahamGrahamd@Ripon.edu >> ------------------------ >> Home page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:43 AM, "Jeff Newberry" >> wrote: >> >> Yeah--it was just a wild guess. >> >> I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive that >> Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, Jim >> Morrison comes to mind. >> >> Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, >> provide a link. >> >> Best, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, < >> AlMaginnes@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their >>> credit. >>> >>> Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter entrant >>> in the bad poetry sweepstakes. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar > needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/5c529d99/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 11:23:47 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F87103.1070000@opus40.org> They all look like me? No, that's just Guy Clark. David Graham wrote: > Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? > > John Prine > Guy Clark > Randy Newman > Gordon Lightfoot > Warren Zevon > Jimmy Buffett > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 29 11:28:52 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: <49F87103.1070000@opus40.org> Message-ID: Hey, I never thought of that, but you're right. Guy Richards, Texas Troubadour! I think there may be a temperamental similarity, too, don't you? Cold Dog Soup William Butler Yeats in jeans Got up to play guitar and sing In some joint in Mission Beach last night At the door sat Tom Waits In a pork pie hat and silver skates Jugglin' three collection plates Jesus Christ Townes Van Zandt standin' at the bar Skinnin' a Hollywood movie star Can't remember where he parked his car Or to whom he lost the keys Full of angst and hillbilly haiku What's a poor Ft. Worth boy to do Go on rhyme somethin' for em' man Show him how you really feel Chorus Ain't no money in poetry That's what sets the poet free I've had all the freedom I can stand Cold dog soup and rainbow pie Is all it takes to get me by Fool my belly till the day I die Cold dog soup and rainbow pie Ginsberg and Kerouac Shootin' dice and playin' Ramblin' Jack's guitar With the cowboy paintin' pickguard on it And they sat in the back and drank for free And rhymed orange with Rosalie Now there's a pride of lions to draw to Chorus --Guy Clark On 4/29/09 10:23 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: > They all look like me? No, that's just Guy Clark. > > David Graham wrote: >> Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? >> >> John Prine >> Guy Clark >> Randy Newman >> Gordon Lightfoot >> Warren Zevon >> Jimmy Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd@ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> -- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 11:34:03 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F8736B.4030207@opus40.org> Jewel. And here's the link: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2316 Jeff Newberry wrote: > Yeah--it was just a wild guess. > > I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive > that Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of > course, Jim Morrison comes to mind. > > Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, > provide a link. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, > wrote: > > Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their > credit. > > Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter > entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; > and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular > people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate > and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 11:36:03 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F873E3.5070903@opus40.org> People always used to come up to me in folk clubs and ask for my autograph. David Graham wrote: > Hey, I never thought of that, but you're right. Guy Richards, Texas > Troubadour! I think there may be a temperamental similarity, too, don't > you? > > Cold Dog Soup > > William Butler Yeats in jeans > Got up to play guitar and sing > In some joint in Mission Beach last night > At the door sat Tom Waits > In a pork pie hat and silver skates > Jugglin' three collection plates Jesus Christ > > Townes Van Zandt standin' at the bar > Skinnin' a Hollywood movie star > Can't remember where he parked his car > Or to whom he lost the keys > Full of angst and hillbilly haiku > What's a poor Ft. Worth boy to do > Go on rhyme somethin' for em' man > Show him how you really feel > > Chorus > > Ain't no money in poetry > That's what sets the poet free > I've had all the freedom I can stand > Cold dog soup and rainbow pie > Is all it takes to get me by > Fool my belly till the day I die > Cold dog soup and rainbow pie > > Ginsberg and Kerouac > Shootin' dice and playin' Ramblin' Jack's guitar > With the cowboy paintin' pickguard on it > And they sat in the back and drank for free > And rhymed orange with Rosalie > Now there's a pride of lions to draw to > > Chorus > > --Guy Clark > > > > > On 4/29/09 10:23 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: > > >> They all look like me? No, that's just Guy Clark. >> >> David Graham wrote: >> >>> Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? >>> >>> John Prine >>> Guy Clark >>> Randy Newman >>> Gordon Lightfoot >>> Warren Zevon >>> Jimmy Buffett >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> David Graham >>> grahamd@ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> > > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 11:36:45 2009 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <49F8736B.4030207@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> <49F8736B.4030207@opus40.org> Message-ID: <731bb17a0904290836h16d4d6c4y30f71681f289a6f7@mail.gmail.com> Tupac Shakur: http://www.amazon.com/Rose-That-Grew-Concrete/dp/0671028448 Jeff Newberry On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > Jewel. And here's the link: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2316 > > > > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Yeah--it was just a wild guess. >> >> I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive that >> Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, Jim >> Morrison comes to mind. >> >> Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, >> provide a link. >> >> Best, >> Jeff Newberry >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, > AlMaginnes@aol.com>> wrote: >> >> Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their >> credit. >> Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter >> entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! >> < >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and >> that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and >> experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar >> needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/f439cf5d/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Apr 29 11:37:58 2009 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets Message-ID: Jill Scott. **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/88ff1b12/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 11:44:26 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F875DA.7080207@opus40.org> Lou Reed never published a book of poems that I know of, but he was Delmore Schwartz's student at Syracuse. AlMaginnes@aol.com wrote: > I had a student who loved that shitty book of Jewel's some years back. > She got upset when I told her she was already a better poet than Jewel. > > To go old school let's not forget John Lennon and Donovan way back in > the day. And the lead singer for System of a Down, whatever his name > is (another bit of knowledge passed on by a student). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Wed Apr 29 11:46:22 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0904290742o10036bbapddb37ada4af96a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6768ac830904290846x66df7ea9n9dd785cdac36486a@mail.gmail.com> > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > >> Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their >> credit. >> >> Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter entrant >> in the bad poetry sweepstakes. >> > I carried sheetrock with Ryan Adams - or, rather, I carried sheetrock which he had a hand on. If I let him take any of the weight, we had to stop too often. He was a prolific songwriter in thoses days (early-mid 09s), often writing 5 tunes a day, and just as prodigious a drinker. I'd played a few open mics with him and Caitlin Cary, and I was supposed to play mandolin on the first demo recording for what would become Whiskeytown, but the date got canceled because he was too drunk to play. I guess you can tell my memories of him are not fond ones. Whiskeytown was a hell of a live band, though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/1786955c/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 11:53:14 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904290853o52aae367y10aef18ffe17f3a0@mail.gmail.com> Letter of Resignation by William Baer Dear [blank]: After much deliberation, without qualm, scruple, or further delay, I hereby tender my formal resignation as your lover and future fianc?. The job provides too little satisfaction: too many hours of unneeded duress, a paucity of productive interaction, uncertain working conditions, and endless stress. Pay-wise, I'm undervalued and disenchanted: advancement's slow, the bonus is routine, my "on-call" overtime is taken for granted, and benefits are few and far between. This document, I'm hopeful, underscores my deep regret. I'm very truly yours.... "Letter of Resignation" by William Baer from *Bocage and Other Sonnets*. ? Texas Review Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/870d1c6d/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 12:02:07 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904290853o52aae367y10aef18ffe17f3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904290853o52aae367y10aef18ffe17f3a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F879FF.1020908@opus40.org> Doesn't scan. Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > Letter of Resignation > > by William Baer > > > Dear [blank]: After much deliberation, > without qualm, scruple, or further delay, > I hereby tender my formal resignation > as your lover and future fianc?. > The job provides too little satisfaction: > too many hours of unneeded duress, > a paucity of productive interaction, > uncertain working conditions, and endless stress. > Pay-wise, I'm undervalued and disenchanted: > advancement's slow, the bonus is routine, > my "on-call" overtime is taken for granted, > and benefits are few and far between. > This document, I'm hopeful, underscores > my deep regret. I'm very truly yours.... > > "Letter of Resignation" by William Baer from /Bocage and Other > Sonnets/. ? Texas Review Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy > now > ) > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From martinwoodside at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 12:21:45 2009 From: martinwoodside at yahoo.com (martin woodside) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <49F8736B.4030207@opus40.org> Message-ID: <289479.29667.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Saul Williams...poet/singer/rapper with several books and albums out.? Also David Berman, book out a few years ago from Open City, was singer/songwriter? behind Silver Jews. --- On Wed, 4/29/09, TheOldMole wrote: From: TheOldMole Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:34 AM Jewel. And here's the link: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2316 Jeff Newberry wrote: > Yeah--it was just a wild guess. > > I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm positive that Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, Jim Morrison comes to mind. > > Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, provide a link. > > Best, > Jeff Newberry > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, > wrote: > > Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their > credit. > Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter > entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/b1496976/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 12:34:26 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <289479.29667.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <289479.29667.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F88192.6070702@opus40.org> Ed Sanders. martin woodside wrote: > Saul Williams...poet/singer/rapper with several books and albums out. > Also David Berman, book out a few years ago from Open City, was > singer/songwriter behind > Silver Jews. > > --- On *Wed, 4/29/09, TheOldMole //* wrote: > > From: TheOldMole > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:34 AM > > Jewel. And here's the link: > > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2316 > > > > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > > Yeah--it was just a wild guess. > > > > I think that Harry Chapin published a book of poems, and I'm > positive > that Billy Corgan (of the Smashing Pumpkins) has a book of poems. Of course, > Jim Morrison comes to mind. > > > > Who are some other rock musician/poets? Name a few--for extra points, > provide a link. > > > > Best, > > Jeff Newberry > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, > wrote: > > > > Actually none of them have published books of poems. Much to their > > credit. > > Wish I could say the same about Ryan Adams, the latest songwriter > > entrant in the bad poetry sweepstakes. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > -- You cannot tell people what to do, you can only tell them parables; and > that is what art really is, particular stories of particular people and > experience, from which each according to his own immediate and peculiar needs > may draw his own conclusion. --W.H. Auden > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column > today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Apr 29 12:39:56 2009 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <289479.29667.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know Berman's music extremely well, but he's a very gifted page poet. I've been eagerly awaiting his second book. I tend to like Saul Willliams more on the stage than the page, from what I've read so far. Classic Water I remember Kitty saying we shared a deep longing for the consolation prize, laughing as we rinsed the stagecoach. I remember the night we camped out and I heard her whisper "think of me as a place" from her sleeping bag with the centaur print. I remember being in her father's basement workshop when we picked up an unknown man sobbing over the shortwave radio and the night we got so high we convinced ourselves that the road was a hologram projected by the headlight beams. I remember how she would always get everyone to vote on what we should do next and the time she said "all water is classic water" and shyly turned her face away. At volleyball games her parents sat in the bleachers like ambassadors from Indiana in all their midwestern schmaltz. She was destroyed when they were busted for operating a private judicial system within U.S. borders. Sometimes I'm awakened in the middle of the night by the clatter of a room service cart and I think back on Kitty. Those summer evenings by the government lake, talking about the paradox of multiple Santas or how it felt to have your heart broken. I still get a hollow feeling on Labro Day when the summer ends and I remember how I would always refer to her boyfriends as what's-his-face, which was wrong of me and I'd like to apologize to those guys right now, wherever they are: No one deserves to be called what's-his-face. --David Berman. Actual Air. Open City Books, 1999. On 4/29/09 11:21 AM, "martin woodside" wrote: > Saul Williams...poet/singer/rapper with several books and albums out. Also > David Berman, book out a few years ago from Open City, was singer/songwriter > behind > Silver Jews. > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/ Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/5460b2b7/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Apr 29 13:11:16 2009 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:02:35 AM Central Daylight Time, Opus40-01@opus40.org writes: > > Doesn't scan. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > > > > Letter of Resignation > > > >by William Baer > > > > > >Dear [blank]: After much deliberation, > >without qualm, scruple, or further delay, > >I hereby tender my formal resignation > >as your lover and future fianc?. > >The job provides too little satisfaction: > >too many hours of unneeded duress, > >a paucity of productive interaction, > >uncertain working conditions, and endless stress. > >Pay-wise, I'm undervalued and disenchanted: > >advancement's slow, the bonus is routine, > >my "on-call" overtime is taken for granted, > >and benefits are few and far between. > >This document, I'm hopeful, underscores > >my deep regret. I'm very truly yours.... > > > >"Letter of Resignation" by William Baer from /Bocage and Other > >Sonnets/. ? Texas Review Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy > >now > >) > > > > > > > >-- > >Anny Ballardini > >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > >dancing star! > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Scans pretty well for me, at least as well as a Donne sonnet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:02:35 AM Central Daylight Time, > Opus40-01@opus40.org writes: >> >> Doesn't scan. >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >> > >> > >> > Letter of Resignation >> > >> >by William Baer >> > >> > >> >Dear [blank]: After much deliberation, >> >without qualm, scruple, or further delay, >> >I hereby tender my formal resignation >> >as your lover and future fianc?. >> >The job provides too little satisfaction: >> >too many hours of unneeded duress, >> >a paucity of productive interaction, >> >uncertain working conditions, and endless stress. >> >Pay-wise, I'm undervalued and disenchanted: >> >advancement's slow, the bonus is routine, >> >my "on-call" overtime is taken for granted, >> >and benefits are few and far between. >> >This document, I'm hopeful, underscores >> >my deep regret. I'm very truly yours.... >> > >> >"Letter of Resignation" by William Baer from /Bocage and Other >> >Sonnets/. ? Texas Review Press, 2008. Reprinted with permission. (buy >> >now >> >) >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Anny Ballardini >> >http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> >http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> >http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> >I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> >dancing star! >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >New-Poetry mailing list >> >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > Scans pretty well for me, at least as well as a Donne sonnet. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From gejs1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Apr 29 14:12:18 2009 From: gejs1 at rochester.rr.com (Gerald Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics References: <059f01c9c8d3$63875d00$2a961700$@edu> Message-ID: <15F6998AD1C949B28834D29533F8ED93@yourae066c3a9b> Patti Smith. They're all boys? From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:01 AM To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] The poetry of song lyrics Here's a small quiz. What do the following have in common? John Prine Guy Clark Randy Newman Gordon Lightfoot Warren Zevon Jimmy Buffett ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has returned with an elegiac collection in which he reconsiders, as the figure of Ovid says in one of the poems, "White stone in the sunlight?Both the melody / and the symphony. The imperfect dancing / in the beautiful dance. The dance most of all." ? The Mistake There is always the harrowing by mortality, the strafing by age, he thinks. Always defeats. Sorrows come like epidemics. But we are alive in the difficult way adults want to be alive. It is worth having the heart broken, a blessing to hurt for eighteen years because a woman is dead. He thinks of long before that, the summer he was with Gianna and her sister in Apulia. Having outwitted the General, their father, and driven south to the estate of the Contessa. Like an opera. The fiefdom stretching away to the horizon. Houses of the peasants burrowed into the walls of the compound. A butler with white gloves serving chicken in aspic. The pretty maid in her uniform bringing his breakfast each morning on a silver tray: toast both light and dark, hot chocolate and tea both. A world like Tosca. A feudal world crushed under the weight of passion without feeling. Gianna?s virgin body helplessly in love. The young man wild with romance and appetite. Wondering whether he would ruin her by mistake. KEEP CLICKING Go to the Poem-a-Day website to comment on this poem, share it on Facebook and Twitter, and much more. Click here to listen to a 1991 recording of Jack Gilbert reading his poem "Meanwhile" More about The Dance Most of All More about Refusing Heaven About Jack Gilbert ?? Excerpt from THE DANCE MOST OF ALL. Copyright ? 2009 by Jack Gilbert. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to aaknopf@randomhouse.com You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day mailing list. Random House, Inc., 1745 Broadway, New York, NY 10019 To unsubscribe, send a blank email to unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. ? SUBSCRIBE to Poem-a-Day ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/ff942a3f/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Apr 29 21:24:23 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CB974987693663-F7C-2021@WEBMAIL-DZ09.sysops.aol.com> http://radio.grassyhill.org/ Lots of poets on this site, but they only write songs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/01775570/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Apr 29 21:42:12 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Musician Poets In-Reply-To: <8CB974987693663-F7C-2021@WEBMAIL-DZ09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB974987693663-F7C-2021@WEBMAIL-DZ09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49F901F4.1060208@opus40.org> And there's me. I do both, and I've had at least a little success at both. jforjames@aol.com wrote: > > http://radio.grassyhill.org/ > Lots of poets on this site, but they only write songs. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 22:52:39 2009 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Help a Fellow Poet -- Scary News About Poet, Craig Arnold - please pass it on. Message-ID: <726182.91762.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Begin forward: Hi all.? I apologize if you are receiving this email in duplicate, as there are several of us forwarding this.??? I'm writing because a dear friend of mine and an exceptionally talented poet,?Craig Arnold, whom some of you know, has gone missing on a small volcanic island in Japan while on a creative exchange fellowship.? Craig, an experienced explorer of volcanoes, never returned to his inn after leaving alone to research the island's active volcano for the afternoon.? The authorities are on the third day of searching for Craig, and are scouring the small island (of only 160 inhabitants) with dogs and helicopters.? If he is not found by the end of the day, the authorities will call off the search. We need your help to insure that the search will continue.? The island and areas surrounding the volcano are small enough that an extended search will surely lead to Craig's discovery.WE NEED PEOPLE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL CONGRESSPEOPLE AND SENATORS TO PRESSURE THE JAPANESE STATE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE THE SEARCH.? WE ALSO NEED HELP SPARKING MEDIA ATTENTION FOR THIS STORY, WHICH WE ALSO HOPE MIGHT INCREASE PRESSURE ON JAPANESE AUTHORITIES TO FIND CRAIG.? I have attached a document with background information about Craig, as well as information about the details leading up to his disappearance as well as about the island itself.? Please feel free to use this as reference material. If any of you have ideas or know people who might be able to help, we'd appreciate hearing from you.? You can contact Rebecca Lindenberg, Craig's girlfriend, at rlindenberg@mac.com.? Please, though, take a minute to contact your senator and congressperson via telephone or even email to explain this problem and insist on their help. We are so hoping to find Craig today, God-willing not seriously injured.? If so, this will not be an issue, but we must ensure that if this isn't resolved today, Craig doesn't end up an unsolved mystery.? He is too important to too many people, not to mention to arts and letter generally, for this to happen. We appreciate your help, good wishes and prayers. Write Your Representative here -- https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090429/88bd55ad/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 04:00:57 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] a request Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904300100u1a5ca9eaobe3ba949fa2892ae@mail.gmail.com> this message reached my mailbox this morning: -------------------- Subject: Craig Arnold Missing--help requested Apologies for this mass email, but this note arrived today from two Coconut contributors concerning poet Craig Arnold: "I'm writing because a dear friend of mine and an exceptionally talented poet, Craig Arnold, whom some of you know, has gone missing on a small volcanic island in Japan while on a creative exchange fellowship. Craig, an experienced explorer of volcanoes, never returned to his inn after leaving alone to research the island's active volcano for the afternoon. The authorities are on the third day of searching for Craig, and are scouring the small island (of only 160 inhabitants) with dogs and helicopters. If he is not found by the end of the day, the authorities will call off the search. We need your help to insure that the search will continue. The island and areas surrounding the volcano are small enough that an extended search will surely lead to Craig's discovery.WE NEED PEOPLE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL CONGRESSPEOPLE AND SENATORS TO PRESSURE THE JAPANESE STATE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE THE SEARCH. WE ALSO NEED HELP SPARKING MEDIA ATTENTION FOR THIS STORY, WHICH WE ALSO HOPE MIGHT INCREASE PRESSURE ON JAPANESE AUTHORITIES TO FIND CRAIG. I have attached a document with background information about Craig, as well as information about the details leading up to his disappearance as well as about the island itself. Please feel free to use this as reference material. If any of you have ideas or know people who might be able to help, we'd appreciate hearing from you. You can contact Rebecca Lindenberg, Craig's girlfriend, at rlindenberg@mac.com. Please, though, take a minute to contact your senator and congressperson via telephone or even email to explain this problem and insist on their help. We are so hoping to find Craig today, God-willing not seriously injured. If so, this will not be an issue, but we must ensure that if this isn't resolved today, Craig doesn't end up an unsolved mystery. He is too important to too many people, not to mention to arts and letter generally, for this to happen. We appreciate your help, good wishes and prayers." -------------------- To reply to this message, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/n/?inbox/readmessage.php&t=1116166395488&mid=631a80G1e86d034G24c4251G0 ___ This message was intended for anny.ballardini@tin.it. Want to control which emails you receive from Facebook? Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editaccount.php?notifications&md=bXNnO2Zyb209NzcyNjU0MTI1O3Q9MTExNjE2NjM5NTQ4ODt0bz01MTIxNTE2MDQ=&mid=631a80G1e86d034G24c4251G0 Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/bc642a79/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 11:30:23 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/d2604f0f/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 30 12:52:23 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F9D747.4070701@nut-n-but.net> Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx > I just found out about this a little while ago, Anny. I still haven't recovered. --Bob From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Apr 30 11:52:28 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved. Anny Ballardini wrote: > http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Thu Apr 30 12:19:47 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6768ac830904300919j32e7805fy17d2acd26c55e1eb@mail.gmail.com> Yes - congratulations! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:52 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> >> http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx >> >> >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/d6a17897/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:28:27 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <49F9D747.4070701@nut-n-but.net> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9D747.4070701@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904300928q30d8d8b4n4db01784f5dba13@mail.gmail.com> We, too, always congratulate you, ... you should be way un-recovered, then :-) On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> >> http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx >> >> I just found out about this a little while ago, Anny. I still haven't > recovered. > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/333e0b79/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Apr 30 13:26:15 2009 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> Message-ID: <49F9DF37.9010501@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx >> >> Thanks, Mole. Now if I can just get Logan to announce that I'm his least favorite poet, I'll have it made! --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 30 12:32:11 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CB97C858688C6C-820-129B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Bob's getting too big for this list. -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:52 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved.? ? Anny Ballardini wrote:? > http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx? >? >? >? > -- > Anny Ballardini? > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/? > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome? > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078? > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html? > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star!? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today!? http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner? ? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/0ad2b3d8/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:38:24 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <8CB97C858688C6C-820-129B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> <8CB97C858688C6C-820-129B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904300938m52a0fbdahaa47a767a55e8831@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I noticed that there was no more space, can't even breathe in here now! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM, wrote: > Bob's getting too big for this list. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! > > This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing > star! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/6be44dc5/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Apr 30 12:54:45 2009 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! In-Reply-To: <8CB97C858688C6C-820-129B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> References: <4b65c2d70904300830w2facfd92r547f56224072d088@mail.gmail.com> <49F9C93C.6090706@opus40.org> <8CB97C858688C6C-820-129B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0904300954u65ea0f79xfe43a07ae6dcf320@mail.gmail.com> Ah, he's always been too big for us, Finnegan. Judy who's right pleased at Bob's new fame 2009/4/30 > Bob's getting too big for this list. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman has a Fan! > > This is wonderful. Congratulations, Bob -- well deserved. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > http://www.schoolwidefundamentals.com/post/2009/04/28/Betsy-Franco-My-Favorite-Poet-Math-Poetry.aspx > > > > > > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing > star! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But thanks for noticing, Jim--and thanks to Mike for the congratulations. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 30 13:05:46 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] UA Fanthorpe has passed away Message-ID: <8CB97CD09DFA6EC-820-1493@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> British poet UA Fanthorpe, once a leading contender for the post of Poet Laureate, has passed away following an illness... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8027526.stm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/2ab35357/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 30 13:14:34 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Geoffrey Hill profile Message-ID: <8CB97CE44891B34-820-1521@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2009/04/geoffrey-hill-the-poets-public-burden.html "Who is that man glaring out of the book pile? Is he the same one I knew in school? He is. Geoffrey Hill?s "Selected Poems" (Yale University Press) comes with a confrontational cover -- not disturbing like those you learned about here -- but with the British poet?s face looking agitated, if not angry, at the thought that you might dare to reach and pick up his book. I had the privilege of studying with Hill: He was genial, good-humored and tended to rephrase our dumb questions so that we sounded much smarter than we were. Once, to begin a session, he set up a CD player and played the music of John Dowland; for 10 or 15 minutes, we listened to an unnatural-sounding male falsetto accompanied by lute, before Hill went on to discuss Dryden. It was lovely." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/45b4eb4f/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 15:10:25 2009 From: anny.ballardini at gmail.com (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paolo Ruffilli and Ezra Message-ID: <4b65c2d70904301210t62f8b429gdc030e7a3c8cf15e@mail.gmail.com> And Peter Thompson has made my day! I am the featured translator on *Ezra: an online journal of translations* http://ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html Thank you to Peter Thompson for his hospitality and to Paolo Ruffilli for most interesting poetry. Best wishes, Anny -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/be361201/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 30 15:20:19 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bidart awarded LA Times Book Prize Message-ID: <8CB97DFD5BCCB1C-BA0-5F9@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> http://www.latimes.com/extras/bookprizes/ Poetry Frank Bidart, Watching the Spring Festival: Poems (Farrar, Straus and Giroux) http://www.fsgpoetry.com/fsg/2009/04/frank-bidart-wins-los-angeles-times-book-prize-for-poetry-.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/3aff5f29/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Apr 30 15:26:47 2009 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Graywolf editor's notes Message-ID: <8CB97E0BCC1C546-BA0-65C@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Also from the FSG blog, some posts by Graywolf editor Fiona McCrae: http://www.fsgpoetry.com/ "Every quarter the staff likes to get a report on the permissions activity for the period. It?s fascinating to look at the poems and poets that are most in demand: Tony Hoagland, Dana Gioia, Natasha Tretheway, Linda Gregg, Eamon Grennan, Claudia Rankine, Nick Flynn, Katie Ford. If I had to come up with one quality that unites the most requested poems, it?s clarity. When we are selecting our poets, clarity is not a quality that we have in the front of our minds. Instead, I think we are looking at originality, complexity, innovation. Perhaps some of our more opaque poets need to read in the context of their other poems: the collection as a whole teaches the reader how to fully understand the work. Or perhaps they need more time to filter into the wider cultural currents." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/5b042dbc/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Apr 30 16:06:50 2009 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paolo Ruffilli and Ezra In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70904301210t62f8b429gdc030e7a3c8cf15e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b65c2d70904301210t62f8b429gdc030e7a3c8cf15e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FA04DA.2030700@opus40.org> Very cool. Anny Ballardini wrote: > And Peter Thompson has made my day! I am the featured translator on > /Ezra: an online journal of translations/ > http://ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html > > Thank you to Peter Thompson for his hospitality and to Paolo Ruffilli > for most interesting poetry. > > Best wishes, Anny > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mikesnider.org Thu Apr 30 16:27:14 2009 From: mandolin at mikesnider.org (Michael Snider) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:51:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paolo Ruffilli and Ezra In-Reply-To: <49FA04DA.2030700@opus40.org> References: <4b65c2d70904301210t62f8b429gdc030e7a3c8cf15e@mail.gmail.com> <49FA04DA.2030700@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6768ac830904301327p3ecab854i9efadaafcbeb09df@mail.gmail.com> Quite a writeup they gave you Anny - you deserve it! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Very cool. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> And Peter Thompson has made my day! I am the featured translator on /Ezra: >> an online journal of translations/ >> http://ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html >> >> Thank you to Peter Thompson for his hospitality and to Paolo Ruffilli for >> most interesting poetry. >> >> Best wishes, Anny >> >> -- >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -- > Tad Richards > Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! > http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am the featured translator on >>> /Ezra: an online journal of translations/ >>> http://ezratranslation.com/Spring_2009.html >>> >>> Thank you to Peter Thompson for his hospitality and to Paolo Ruffilli for >>> most interesting poetry. >>> >>> Best wishes, Anny >>> >>> -- >>> Anny Ballardini >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >>> star! >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> Read my NY Writing Careers Examiner column today! >> http://www.examiner.com/x-2862-NY-Writing-Careers-Examiner >> >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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S. (Sam) Gwynn Number 1+Comps: Jeff Newberry Number 1+Comps+Jeff Newberry: Al Maginnes Number 1+... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > New-Poetry's Number One! > > --Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20090430/b823a264/attachment.html