[New-Poetry] Re: waiting for clarification

[David Baratier]

I am not on the list at forgodot.com
and therefore consider myself a under represented outsider poet
and still very likeable. 


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>    1. Re: Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>    2. Re: waiting for clarification (TheOldMole)
>    3. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>    4. Re: Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
>    5. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>    6. Re: CORRECTION: The Fall 2008 issue of The Salt
> River	Review
>       is online (TheOldMole)
>    7. Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
>    8. Re: waiting for clarification (TheOldMole)
>    9. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>   10. Re: Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>   11. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>   12. Re: waiting for clarification (Judy Prince)
>   13. Re: waiting for clarification (TheOldMole)
>   14. Re: waiting for clarification (TheOldMole)
>   15. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>   16. Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
>   17. Re: waiting for clarification (Roger Day)
>   18. Re: CORRECTION: The Fall 2008 issue of The Salt
> River	Review
>       is online (James Cervantes)
>   19. Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
>   20. oh fuck (Roger Day)
>   21. Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
>   22. Re: Poetry without borders, Peter Gizzi interview
> (audio)
>       (Bob Grumman)
>   23. Re: waiting for clarification (Robin Hamilton)
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:00:20 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291400y65b1db58q7a98657c92ca5e81 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> I think it is something as crude as wading through the list
> of
> bloggers on blogger.com or typepad.com using blogger or
> typepad APIs
> to get likely candidates, then using the google API to
> search google
> for "poet" in the first ten entries returned.
> That would help explain
> the (apparent) randomness of it. I don't think it is
> random, just
> using a small number of cycles. The google API, if memory
> serves, only
> allows a certain number of research results returned for a
> single
> call. If your keyword isn't there - tough. Onto the
> next one.
> 
> Who can say? They might be handcrafting this, but I doubt
> it.
> 
> Clancy Ratcliffe is the hard one - I can't find her on
> blogger or
> typepad. But the search could have been going awhile, and I
> figure she
> has had such an account in the past.
> 
> Roger
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>> Umm. Rod McKuen is amongst the list, and at
> least one non-poet, Dave
> >>> Winer.
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > Can you fathom the logic of whatever search-device
> they're using to scrape
> > up the names?
> >
> > Or is this a Rorschach Test?
> >
> > Robin
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> 
> 
> 
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> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:12:21 -0400
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <48E144B5.1030301 at opus40.org>
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> 
> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an erection.
> 
> faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> > Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like Godot. 
> We will sit and 
> > wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking excitedly,
> wringing our 
> > hands...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> > Cc: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> <POETRYETC at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> > Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> >
> > The inclusion that intrigues me is Dominic Fox. 
> >  
> > I'm not sure where the compilers could have come
> on Dom's poetry (he 
> > doesn't have a large web presence) other than on
> poetryetc. 
> >  
> > As far as I could make out, there were two others who
> publish fairly 
> > regularly on poetryetc -- Andrew Burke and Halvard
> Johnson -- 
> > included, though Hal obviously publishes elsewhere too
> (as does Anny 
> > Ballardini). 
> >  
> > But if someone was trawling poetryetc, there are a lot
> of omissions. 
> >  
> > My first thought was that the compilers had used a bot
> to trawl the 
> > net, but in that case (why am I not there? <g>),
> I'd have expected 
> > more hits from the petc group. 
> >  
> > Distinctly odd, altogether [though no odder than when
> I recently did 
> > an ego search on googlebooks, I discovered I'd
> been included in an 
> > anthology published by Saltzburgh University Press.
> Dear god in heaven 
> > ... :-((( ]. 
> >  
> > For those on this list who might not know, poetryetc
> has just 
> > published an anthology: 
> >  
> >   http://www.masthead.net.au/issue11/contents11.html 
> >  
> > Robin 
> >  
> > (I'll copy this to the poetryetc list, where it
> hasn't been mentioned 
> > yet. 
> >  
> > FYI: 
> >  
> > << 
> > Anyone know anything about this? 
> >  
> > I found, through a Google update, that I am to be
> included in a 
> > 4000-page online anthology from forgodot.com 
> >  
> > Every comment on this site -- including mine -- is the
> same. Wha...? 
> > What anthology? Who gave you permission to use my
> poem? 
> > >> 
> >  
> >   http://forgodot.com/ 
> >  
> > R. 
> >  
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:14:08 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291414o2fda212id9f3ba3a66139f2a at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> >From a purely professional point of view, I'm
> interested in what sort
> of texts they do associate with each name. I'll be
> impressed if it's
> *whole* poems or stuff. It's not beyond the realms of
> possibility but
> unlikely. I think we should see what they come up with -
> then sue them
> *grins* That'll make their day.
> 
> And don't forget, Amazon have an API as well. All the
> big sites do.
> wordpress is another. Twitter, picasa, flickr. The
> possibilities are
> endless - although I realize I'm not helping
> anyone's paranoia at this
> point (^_^)
> 
> Roger
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> Call me a genius, but I think they're all
> members of blogger.com.
> >
> >   See, I knew you'd be able to work out the
> answer.
> >
> >                   All so bloody simple ...
> >
> >                                   :-(
> >
> > We've been conned, in the sense of just wasting
> our precious time (if I may
> > annoy Roger and allude to a sonnet by The Weather
> beginning, "The expense of
> > spirit in a waste of shame,") and there never
> will be a text to back up the
> > names, so lets forget the whole stupid business and
> drive a stake through
> > its heart.
> >
> >       Jeezus, some people have too much time on their
> hands, to bother to
> > run up a scam like this.
> >
> > Thanks, Roger, in default of a better explanation,
> this makes all too much
> > sense.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >> Someone's gotten jiggy with a blogger.com API,
> which is probably part
> >> of the google API. You could probably trawl the
> *whole* of blogger.com
> >> and look for keywords and links. Given the number
> of folks on the
> >> list, this is also probably against the licence
> terms of the API
> >> (Applications Programming Interface, which is used
> to fit functions
> >> into a proper language. Imagine you have a
> function call X('poetry')
> >> := g; which returns all the bloggers in
> blogger.com who have used the
> >> keyword poetry. You get the idea.)
> >>
> >> Domini Fox has a cobwebby blogger.com site, and I
> reckon the rest have
> >> too.
> >>
> >> Just call me Sherlock.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:16:21 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <C4F721B40774423B9E5B89D842CBE176 at CoreDuo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> Quoth Roger Day:
> 
> >I think it is something as crude as wading through the
> list of
> > bloggers on blogger.com or typepad.com using blogger
> or typepad APIs
> > to get likely candidates, then using the google API to
> search google
> > for "poet" in the first ten entries
> returned.
> 
>         ... a combination of programming and brute force,
> then.
> 
> Reminds me of how years ago, I won a dot-matrix printer
> (and that will tell 
> you how long ago this was) by working out how to list the
> number of possible 
> anagrams of the word PRACTICAL (roughly 250, depending on
> which dictionary 
> you used).
> 
> The whirligig of time sure does bring its revenges ...
> 
> Robin 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:17:52 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291417h361fe556u15e4e84a9d2038f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> The Yahoo Query Language looks interesting.
> 
> http://developer.yahoo.com/
> 
> Roger
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Roger Day
> <rog3r.day at gmail.com> wrote:
> > From a purely professional point of view, I'm
> interested in what sort
> > of texts they do associate with each name. I'll be
> impressed if it's
> > *whole* poems or stuff. It's not beyond the realms
> of possibility but
> > unlikely. I think we should see what they come up with
> - then sue them
> > *grins* That'll make their day.
> >
> > And don't forget, Amazon have an API as well. All
> the big sites do.
> > wordpress is another. Twitter, picasa, flickr. The
> possibilities are
> > endless - although I realize I'm not helping
> anyone's paranoia at this
> > point (^_^)
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Robin Hamilton
> > <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>> Call me a genius, but I think they're all
> members of blogger.com.
> >>
> >>   See, I knew you'd be able to work out the
> answer.
> >>
> >>                   All so bloody simple ...
> >>
> >>                                   :-(
> >>
> >> We've been conned, in the sense of just
> wasting our precious time (if I may
> >> annoy Roger and allude to a sonnet by The Weather
> beginning, "The expense of
> >> spirit in a waste of shame,") and there never
> will be a text to back up the
> >> names, so lets forget the whole stupid business
> and drive a stake through
> >> its heart.
> >>
> >>       Jeezus, some people have too much time on
> their hands, to bother to
> >> run up a scam like this.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Roger, in default of a better explanation,
> this makes all too much
> >> sense.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Robin
> >>
> >>> Someone's gotten jiggy with a blogger.com
> API, which is probably part
> >>> of the google API. You could probably trawl
> the *whole* of blogger.com
> >>> and look for keywords and links. Given the
> number of folks on the
> >>> list, this is also probably against the
> licence terms of the API
> >>> (Applications Programming Interface, which is
> used to fit functions
> >>> into a proper language. Imagine you have a
> function call X('poetry')
> >>> := g; which returns all the bloggers in
> blogger.com who have used the
> >>> keyword poetry. You get the idea.)
> >>>
> >>> Domini Fox has a cobwebby blogger.com site,
> and I reckon the rest have
> >>> too.
> >>>
> >>> Just call me Sherlock.
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> > "I began to warm and chill
> > to objects and their fields"
> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:21:20 -0400
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] CORRECTION: The Fall 2008 issue
> of The Salt
> 	River	Review is online
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <48E146D0.3080600 at opus40.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> The correction still didn't add a Y to Gwyn McVa.
> 
> Great issue nonetheless.
> 
> James Cervantes wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Fall 2008 issue of The Salt River Review is now
> online.
> >
> > Poetry by ﾁlvaro Leiva, Pablo Neruda, Zhuang Yisa,
> Ren Powell, Charmi 
> > Keranen, Sarah Browning, Laura Jensen, Millicent
> Borges Accardi, Greg 
> > Simon, Katharine Salzmann, David Brendan Hopes, Muriel
> Nelson, Gwyn McVa
> >      
> > Belles Lettres: Wherein prose poems, nonfiction,
> essays, and other 
> > writings are found: Simon Peter Eggertsen, Laura
> Jensen, Anny 
> > Ballardini, Greg Simon, Paul Sampson.
> >
> > Fiction by Roberta Allen, David Bowen, Sarah Freese,
> Rosemary Jones, 
> > Eva Konstantopoulos, Ellen Birkett Morris, Gavin
> Tierney.
> >
> > http://www.poetserv.org
> >     
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> 
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> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> 
> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:26:07 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> > We could hang ourselves. It would give us an erection.
> 
>         Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character --
> Pozo?] was reflecting 
> folk myth here, but you would certainly void your bowels.
> 
> Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of England were
> traditionally so 
> intent on asserting their right to the clothes of those
> they hangit.
> 
>         Odd that, but.
> 
> Dalgleish, FOL
> 
> > faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like
> Godot.  We will sit and
> >> wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking
> excitedly, wringing our
> >> hands... 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:26:20 -0400
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <48E147FC.9020004 at opus40.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Roger...you're a genius.
> 
> Roger Day wrote:
> > Call me a genius, but I think they're all members
> of blogger.com.
> > Someone's gotten jiggy with a blogger.com API,
> which is probably part
> > of the google API. You could probably troll the
> *whole* of blogger.com
> > and look for keywords and links. Given the number of
> folks on the
> > list, this is also probably against the licence terms
> of the API
> > (Applications Programming Interface, which is used to
> fit functions
> > into a proper language. Imagine you have a function
> call X('poetry')
> > := g; which returns all the bloggers in blogger.com
> who have used the
> > keyword poetry. You get the idea.)
> >
> > Domini Fox has a cobwebby blogger.com site, and I
> reckon the rest have too.
> >
> > Just call me Sherlock.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Robin Hamilton
> > <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> I just spoke to Clancy. She's never published
> a poem. So, unless there are
> >> two people with such a unique name . . . Hmmm.
> >>
> >>     Perhaps she authored a Found Poem, without
> realising she was doing it?
> >>
> >> A new category for Bob's Taxonomy --
> Accidental Poets.
> >>
> >>             Robin
> >>
> >> (Argh -- should we restart the What-is-original?
> thread with regard to Hugh
> >> McDiarmid's Seagull's Skull poem, from
> Glynn Hughes and ultimately jumping
> >> off Hart Crane's Bridge, via the US and the UK
> editions of McDiarmid's
> >> Complete/Collected Poems?
> >>
> >> That has to be the funniest damn send-up of
> intellectual property rights
> >> that I've ever encountered.
> >>
> >> Situationist Poetics, yet.
> >>
> >>                   <g>
> >>
> >>             Robin
> >>
> >> [who was more like to find nits or clegs among the
> machair than a seagull's
> >> skull]  }
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> 
> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
> http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:29:50 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291429i15206a4apcba42db4db8b87e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Cheers Tad (^_^)
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, TheOldMole
> <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
> > Roger...you're a genius.
> >
> > Roger Day wrote:
> >>
> >> Call me a genius, but I think they're all
> members of blogger.com.
> >> Someone's gotten jiggy with a blogger.com API,
> which is probably part
> >> of the google API. You could probably troll the
> *whole* of blogger.com
> >> and look for keywords and links. Given the number
> of folks on the
> >> list, this is also probably against the licence
> terms of the API
> >> (Applications Programming Interface, which is used
> to fit functions
> >> into a proper language. Imagine you have a
> function call X('poetry')
> >> := g; which returns all the bloggers in
> blogger.com who have used the
> >> keyword poetry. You get the idea.)
> >>
> >> Domini Fox has a cobwebby blogger.com site, and I
> reckon the rest have
> >> too.
> >>
> >> Just call me Sherlock.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Robin Hamilton
> >> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I just spoke to Clancy. She's never
> published a poem. So, unless there
> >>> are
> >>> two people with such a unique name . . . Hmmm.
> >>>
> >>>    Perhaps she authored a Found Poem, without
> realising she was doing it?
> >>>
> >>> A new category for Bob's Taxonomy --
> Accidental Poets.
> >>>
> >>>            Robin
> >>>
> >>> (Argh -- should we restart the
> What-is-original? thread with regard to
> >>> Hugh
> >>> McDiarmid's Seagull's Skull poem, from
> Glynn Hughes and ultimately
> >>> jumping
> >>> off Hart Crane's Bridge, via the US and
> the UK editions of McDiarmid's
> >>> Complete/Collected Poems?
> >>>
> >>> That has to be the funniest damn send-up of
> intellectual property rights
> >>> that I've ever encountered.
> >>>
> >>> Situationist Poetics, yet.
> >>>
> >>>                  <g>
> >>>
> >>>            Robin
> >>>
> >>> [who was more like to find nits or clegs among
> the machair than a
> >>> seagull's
> >>> skull]  }
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tad Richards
> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:32:02 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Yeah, something like. There are quite a few ways you could
> skin this
> cat, but mostly through brute-force, time and patience. I
> figure about
> 2 or three computers, divide the lists alphabetically that
> sort of
> thing. Leave it going continuously. I figure the
> perpetrators are at a
> Uni somewhere doing some pseudo-cross disciplinary
> post-grad thing.
> 
> Dee Rimbaud - blogger
> Alasdair Gray - blogspot
> 
> Dave Winer is a millionaire and pretty litigious, IIRC. He
> runs
> scripting.com, is semi-retired these days but he's
> still a pretty big
> noise - he virtually invented RSS and blogging, pretty much
> helped
> twitter into the world. He IS Mr Web 2.0. He's the
> wrong person to
> cross if they're "republishing" his work
> without his permission. Big
> oops.
> 
> Roger
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Quoth Roger Day:
> >
> >> I think it is something as crude as wading through
> the list of
> >> bloggers on blogger.com or typepad.com using
> blogger or typepad APIs
> >> to get likely candidates, then using the google
> API to search google
> >> for "poet" in the first ten entries
> returned.
> >
> >       ... a combination of programming and brute
> force, then.
> >
> > Reminds me of how years ago, I won a dot-matrix
> printer (and that will tell
> > you how long ago this was) by working out how to list
> the number of possible
> > anagrams of the word PRACTICAL (roughly 250, depending
> on which dictionary
> > you used).
> >
> > The whirligig of time sure does bring its revenges ...
> >
> > Robin
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:32:32 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291432p5847c51cwcec536490f67e635 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> ewwww - do not want that image in my head, thanks.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an
> erection.
> >
> >       Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character --
> Pozo?] was reflecting
> > folk myth here, but you would certainly void your
> bowels.
> >
> > Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of England
> were traditionally so
> > intent on asserting their right to the clothes of
> those they hangit.
> >
> >       Odd that, but.
> >
> > Dalgleish, FOL
> >
> >> faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like
> Godot.  We will sit and
> >>> wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking
> excitedly, wringing our
> >>> hands...
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:32:52 -0400
> From: "Judy Prince"
> <jbalizsprince at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<7db1d01b0809291432g3ebf953fp3a38bab6e2309596 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> If that's what you need, Ole Mole....
> Must admit that if Rod McKuen's on that list, I do feel
> somewhat overlooked.
> 
> 
> Judy
> 
> 2008/9/29 TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> 
> > We could hang ourselves. It would give us an erection.
> >
> > faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like
> Godot.  We will sit and wait
> >> for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking excitedly,
> wringing our hands...
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> >> Cc: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> <POETRYETC at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> >> Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:46 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for
> clarification
> >>
> >> The inclusion that intrigues me is Dominic Fox. 
> I'm not sure where the
> >> compilers could have come on Dom's poetry (he
> doesn't have a large web
> >> presence) other than on poetryetc.  As far as I
> could make out, there were
> >> two others who publish fairly regularly on
> poetryetc -- Andrew Burke and
> >> Halvard Johnson -- included, though Hal obviously
> publishes elsewhere too
> >> (as does Anny Ballardini).  But if someone was
> trawling poetryetc, there are
> >> a lot of omissions.  My first thought was that the
> compilers had used a bot
> >> to trawl the net, but in that case (why am I not
> there? <g>), I'd have
> >> expected more hits from the petc group. 
> Distinctly odd, altogether [though
> >> no odder than when I recently did an ego search on
> googlebooks, I discovered
> >> I'd been included in an anthology published by
> Saltzburgh University Press.
> >> Dear god in heaven ... :-((( ].  For those on this
> list who might not know,
> >> poetryetc has just published an anthology:
> >> http://www.masthead.net.au/issue11/contents11.html
>  Robin  (I'll copy
> >> this to the poetryetc list, where it hasn't
> been mentioned yet.  FYI:  <<
> >> Anyone know anything about this?  I found, through
> a Google update, that I
> >> am to be included in a 4000-page online anthology
> from forgodot.com Every comment on this site -- including
> mine -- is the same. Wha...? What
> >> anthology? Who gave you permission to use my poem?
> >>
> >> http://forgodot.com/  R. 
> _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:39:09 -0400
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp;	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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> 
> It was Gogo and Didi talking to each other, but I forget
> who said which 
> line, Probably Gogo, the fatalist, says "We could hang
> ourselves," and 
> Didi, the sensualist, "It would give us an
> erection."
> 
> No, I have it backwards. Well, partly backwards. Actually,
> I'm too wrong 
> to even be backwards.
> 
>         *VLADIMIR:*
>         What do we do now?
>         *ESTRAGON:*
>         Wait.
>         *VLADIMIR:*
>         Yes, but while waiting.
>         *ESTRAGON:*
>         What about hanging ourselves?
>         *VLADIMIR:*
>         Hmm. It'd give us an erection.
>         *ESTRAGON:*
>         (/highly excited/)/./ An erection!
>         *VLADIMIR:*
>         With all that follows. Where it falls mandrakes
> grow. That's why
>         they shriek when you pull them up. Did you not know
> that?
>         *ESTRAGON:*
>         Let's hang ourselves immediately! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robin Hamilton wrote:
> >> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an
> erection.
> >
> >        Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character --
> Pozo?] was 
> > reflecting folk myth here, but you would certainly
> void your bowels.
> >
> > Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of England
> were traditionally 
> > so intent on asserting their right to the clothes of
> those they hangit.
> >
> >        Odd that, but.
> >
> > Dalgleish, FOL
> >
> >> faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like
> Godot.  We will sit and
> >>> wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking
> excitedly, wringing our
> >>> hands... 
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> 
> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
> http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:40:08 -0400
> From: TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp;	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <48E14B38.6060903 at opus40.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Actually, this may be more appropriate:
> 
>         *VLADIMIR:*
>         Well? What do we do?
>         *ESTRAGON:*
>         Don't let's do anything. It's safer. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robin Hamilton wrote:
> >> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an
> erection.
> >
> >        Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character --
> Pozo?] was 
> > reflecting folk myth here, but you would certainly
> void your bowels.
> >
> > Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of England
> were traditionally 
> > so intent on asserting their right to the clothes of
> those they hangit.
> >
> >        Odd that, but.
> >
> > Dalgleish, FOL
> >
> >> faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come.  Like
> Godot.  We will sit and
> >>> wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file, talking
> excitedly, wringing our
> >>> hands... 
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> 
> Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
> http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:43:36 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291443o5e66e1bnb4b53e0b6174c76 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Pinky: "Gee Brain, what do you want to do
> tonight?"
> The Brain: "The same thing we do every night,
> Pinky葉ry to take over the world."
> 
> I think The Brain and Pinky have been at work again.
> 
> Roger
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM, TheOldMole
> <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
> > Actually, this may be more appropriate:
> >
> >       *VLADIMIR:*
> >       Well? What do we do?
> >       *ESTRAGON:*
> >       Don't let's do anything. It's safer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an
> erection.
> >>
> >>       Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character
> -- Pozo?] was reflecting
> >> folk myth here, but you would certainly void your
> bowels.
> >>
> >> Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of
> England were traditionally so
> >> intent on asserting their right to the clothes of
> those they hangit.
> >>
> >>       Odd that, but.
> >>
> >> Dalgleish, FOL
> >>
> >>> faustina1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps it isn't ever going to come. 
> Like Godot.  We will sit and
> >>>> wait for this 4,000 page .pdf file,
> talking excitedly, wringing our
> >>>> hands...
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New-Poetry mailing list
> >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tad Richards
> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
> > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:44:36 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <1FB5F320AD1E471F91003E6262353BD2 at CoreDuo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> > ewwww - do not want that image in my head, thanks.
> 
> Well, one of Irvin Walsh's novel's -- Filth? --
> turns on this.
> 
>         {... and worse -- think tapeworms.}
> 
>                         Just one of those things.
> 
> What do you expect from an Edinburgh novelist?
> 
> C'mon, someone, ask me who Dalgleish was, and what FOL
> represents (if 
> you'all haven't googled this already  <g>).
> 
> There's actually a poetic -- Bon Gaultier -- connection
> here.
> 
> R(odent)
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Robin Hamilton
> > <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>> We could hang ourselves. It would give us an
> erection.
> >>
> >>       Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his character
> -- Pozo?] was 
> >> reflecting
> >> folk myth here, but you would certainly void your
> bowels.
> >>
> >> Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of
> England were traditionally so
> >> intent on asserting their right to the clothes of
> those they hangit.
> >>
> >>       Odd that, but.
> >>
> >> Dalgleish, FOL 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:50:52 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>,	"NewPoetry:
> 	Contemporary Poetry News &amp,	Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<fde503480809291450v7d49e473k5e58f2fa23508eda at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> oh go on then ...
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> ewwww - do not want that image in my head, thanks.
> >
> > Well, one of Irvin Walsh's novel's -- Filth?
> -- turns on this.
> >
> >       {... and worse -- think tapeworms.}
> >
> >                       Just one of those things.
> >
> > What do you expect from an Edinburgh novelist?
> >
> > C'mon, someone, ask me who Dalgleish was, and what
> FOL represents (if
> > you'all haven't googled this already 
> <g>).
> >
> > There's actually a poetic -- Bon Gaultier --
> connection here.
> >
> > R(odent)
> >
> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Robin Hamilton
> >> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We could hang ourselves. It would give us
> an erection.
> >>>
> >>>      Not necessarily.  Buckett [or his
> character -- Pozo?] was reflecting
> >>> folk myth here, but you would certainly void
> your bowels.
> >>>
> >>> Which is why it's odd that the hangmen of
> England were traditionally so
> >>> intent on asserting their right to the clothes
> of those they hangit.
> >>>
> >>>      Odd that, but.
> >>>
> >>> Dalgleish, FOL
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:54:22 -0700
> From: "James Cervantes"
> <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] CORRECTION: The Fall 2008 issue
> of The Salt
> 	River	Review is online
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<648208b60809291454i4dcefd6eq1ad32182bac263ce at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Dang. Lopped off in the cut and paste.  At least the
> announcement is the
> only place [He said, frantically looking back].
> - Jim
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:21 PM, TheOldMole
> <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
> 
> > The correction still didn't add a Y to Gwyn McVa.
> >
> > Great issue nonetheless.
> >
> > James Cervantes wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Fall 2008 issue of The Salt River Review is
> now online.
> >>
> >> Poetry by ﾁlvaro Leiva, Pablo Neruda, Zhuang
> Yisa, Ren Powell, Charmi
> >> Keranen, Sarah Browning, Laura Jensen, Millicent
> Borges Accardi, Greg Simon,
> >> Katharine Salzmann, David Brendan Hopes, Muriel
> Nelson, Gwyn McVa
> >>     Belles Lettres: Wherein prose poems,
> nonfiction, essays, and other
> >> writings are found: Simon Peter Eggertsen, Laura
> Jensen, Anny Ballardini,
> >> Greg Simon, Paul Sampson.
> >>
> >> Fiction by Roberta Allen, David Bowen, Sarah
> Freese, Rosemary Jones, Eva
> >> Konstantopoulos, Ellen Birkett Morris, Gavin
> Tierney.
> >>
> >> http://www.poetserv.org
> >>
> >> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tad Richards
> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Don't forget to order your copy of FILM NOIR!
> > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239
> >
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> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:58:26 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
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> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
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> > It was Gogo and Didi talking to each other, but I
> forget who said which
> > line, Probably Gogo, the fatalist, says "We could
> hang ourselves," ...
> 
> Whatever they said, they didn't say that -- they were
> talking in French.
> 
> (Incidentally, an interesting segue in Christopher
> Brookmyre's novel, _The 
> Sacred Art of Stealing_ turns on how the police protagonist
> fails to 
> recognise the performance art piece of Godot that a pack of
> Situationist 
> bank robbers are putting on because it's performed in
> English ... )
> 
>         She's deeply embarrassed by this ...
> 
> Well, it happens in Sauchiehall Street rather than the
> Royal Mile, where you 
> might *expect something like that ...
> 
>         Pretentious Morningside ... people.
> 
> Death's Dark Starry Vale 
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:03:36 +0100
> From: "Roger Day" <rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] oh fuck
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7643199.stm
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7641173.stm
> 
> -- 
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> to objects and their fields"
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:04:04 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
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> > Pinky: "Gee Brain, what do you want to do
> tonight?"
> > The Brain: "The same thing we do every night,
> Pinky葉ry to take over the 
> > world."
> >
> > I think The Brain and Pinky have been at work again.
> >
> > Roger
> 
> You're showing your (young) age, Roger -- to some of
> us, Pinky is 
> irretreviably associated with Brighton Rock (before even
> there were Mods) 
> and razor blades.
> 
> A Citizen of No Mean City 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:20:54 -0500
> From: Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poetry without borders, Peter
> Gizzi
> 	interview (audio)
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> Anny Ballardini wrote:
> > I think I love Perloff, she is one of the few serious
> women I know.
> Well, she's not as obtuse as Helen V.
> 
> --Your Pal, Bob
> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:44:01 +0100
> From: "Robin Hamilton"
> <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] waiting for clarification
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
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> > oh go on then ...
> 
> K.
> 
> Dalgleish was the hangman of Edinburgh in the early part of
> the 19thC.
> 
> FOL is actually a pretty widespread term for "finisher
> of the law", a rather 
> ... dignified ... way of putting it.
> 
> Bon Gaultier in 1848, in Frasers, or the Edinburgh
> Magazine, or some place 
> like, publishes a series of somewhat ... embarrassing ...
> cant parodies 
> called "A Newgate Garland" (Part 1).
> 
> The person who delivers the songs to the reporter is
> Dalgleish, and the 
> songs are supposedly written by Jack Flashman (which name
> is taken from 
> Fielding's _Jonathan Wild_).
> 
> Now, I'd like to be able to dis Bon Gaultier's cant
> songs, except that one 
> of them manages to play a singularly nasty game with the
> difference between 
> the version of a song printed in Ainsworth's
> _Rookwood_, and a slightly 
> different version (dolly substituted for doll) in the
> *dramatisation of a 
> later Ainsworth novel, _Jack Sheppard_.
> 
> Sheesh, and I thought I could be obscure -- Bon Gaultier
> beats me in spades.
> 
> Makes you wonder, but.
> 
> Deacon Brodie
> 
> 
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