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>    1. And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . . (David
> Graham)
>    2. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
> (Anny Ballardini)
>    3. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
> (Halvard Johnson)
>    4. school (Anny Ballardini)
>    5. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
>       (AlMaginnes at aol.com)
>    6. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
> (John Jeffrey)
>    7. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
> (karen)
>    8. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . .
> (Suzanne Burns)
>    9. Re: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . . 
>       (Jason Quackenbush)
>   10. RE: And gladly wolde they lerne and gladly . . . 
> (Skip Fox)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:44:08 -0500
> From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: NewPoetry <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID: <C4EAB278.14183%grahamd at ripon.edu>
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> So, do they have graduate creative writing programs in
> Italy, Anny?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/8/08 10:42 AM, "Anny Ballardini"
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey, I am sweating in Italy... :-)
> 
> 
> 
> ====================================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:25:38 +0200
> From: "Anny Ballardini"
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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> Oh sorry, I should have been more precise, my reference was
> to your words:
> "when we are not on leave in Italy"
> 
> in Italy they have ruins, dirty ruins, a lot of mafia, some
> grappa, and
> heaps of debts, and bureaucracy is so strong that it
> suffocates it all_
> when I say these things in class they think they do not
> like me any more.
> 
> It was Paul Vangelisti who told me they should soon have an
> MFA program here
> in Italy, that there is one in Paris, one in ... something
> like three-four
> scattered around Europe.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, David Graham
> <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:
> 
> >  So, do they have graduate creative writing programs
> in Italy, Anny?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/08 10:42 AM, "Anny Ballardini"
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I am sweating in Italy... :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ====================================================
> > David Graham
> > grahamd at ripon.edu
> > Home Page:
> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
> >
> > Poetry Library:
> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> > ====================================================
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:40:30 -0500
> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
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> Oy, those Europeans. They don't think folks need to go
> to college
> to learn to be creative any more than they need to go to
> college
> to study their native language.
> 
> Hal
> 
> On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote:
> 
> > Oh sorry, I should have been more precise, my
> reference was to your  
> > words:
> > "when we are not on leave in Italy"
> >
> > in Italy they have ruins, dirty ruins, a lot of mafia,
> some grappa,  
> > and heaps of debts, and bureaucracy is so strong that
> it suffocates  
> > it all_
> > when I say these things in class they think they do
> not like me any  
> > more.
> >
> > It was Paul Vangelisti who told me they should soon
> have an MFA  
> > program here in Italy, that there is one in Paris, one
> in ...  
> > something like three-four scattered around Europe.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, David Graham
> <grahamd at ripon.edu>  
> > wrote:
> > So, do they have graduate creative writing programs in
> Italy, Anny?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/08 10:42 AM, "Anny Ballardini"
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I am sweating in Italy... :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ====================================================
> >
> > David Graham
> > grahamd at ripon.edu
> > Home Page:
> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
> >
> > Poetry Library:
> > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> > ====================================================
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Anny Ballardini
> > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give
> birth to a  
> > dancing star!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
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> 
> "Never underestimate the power of stupid
> people in large groups."
>                  --George Carlin
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at earthlink.net
> halvard at gmail.com
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:51:49 +0200
> From: "Anny Ballardini"
> <anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] school
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
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> 
> Time!
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/09/08/opinion/20080908_opart.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth
> to a dancing
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:54:01 EDT
> From: AlMaginnes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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> I've been teaching at a community college for fifteen
> years. Before that it  
> was three years at a private junior college. I teach a lot
> of comp, a bit of  
> literature and a bit of creative writing. I run a reading
> series that's  
> reasonably well funded with no outside interference.
> I've done some part timing  at 
> four year schools around here but have been here long
> enough that my salary  
> doesn't really make me a very attractive new hire 
> candidate.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:16:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Jeffrey <jjeffreymail at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> >From someone who spends most his time on this list
> lurking and reading (and shaking my head), I work as a
> software analyst, and, before that, as a deli manager.  No
> teaching t'all.
> 
> John Jeffrey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Skip Fox <skip at louisiana.edu>
> To: amyhappens at yahoo.com; "NewPoetry: Contemporary
> Poetry News & Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:59:20 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . . 
> 
>  
> Do most of us teach for a living? (I do.)
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:39:19 -0400
> From: karen <oedipa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<d1c74efd0809081039m9d2bbd0p69f93c2d88943522 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> I teach at UMASS and I am a grad student there in Poetry. 
> When I'm
> not doing that, I'm a web programmer....
> 
> karen
> 
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM, David Graham
> <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yet another teacher here, yes.
> >
> > And another thing that might be interesting to know
> would be how many of us
> > teach in MFA programs?  I'm guessing that the
> answer will be:  rather few.
> >  A lot of the people I run into at the AWP conference
> seem to teach at
> > community colleges, high schools, undergraduate
> programs, etc.  Many
> > part-time and adjunct, too.
> >
> > I wonder how many of us on this list who teach
> actually teach in grad
> > programs of creative writing?
> >
> > I've been a teacher for 30 years or so, depending
> on how you count my grad
> > school teaching assistantship, but the vast majority
> of classes I've taught
> > have been freshman comp and literature courses, with
> nary a grad student to
> > be seen.
> >
> > A pet peeve of mine is how frequently critics of the
> current poetry scene
> > act as though poets are not only all professors, but
> professors at at Iowa
> > or Columbia, teaching the occasional small seminar of
> grad students when we
> > are not on leave in Italy. . . .
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:08:26 -0400
> From: "Suzanne Burns"
> <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp,	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<bda48ea50809081108v39ddf726xb000b7a56ed278ee at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Skip Fox
> <skip at louisiana.edu> wrote:
> 
> >  I realize the more interesting question might be: Who
> on the list doesn't
> > teach and what do you do? (I can read but not post
> from home or I'd wait to
> > ask this.)
> >
> 
> I'm a technical writer/editor for a software company. 
> I used to teach but
> couldn't find a full-time job to save my life.
> 
> I five years I hope to retire completely from this industry
> and take a fresh
> path involving travel, writing, and much lollygagging.
> 
> 
> Suzanne Burns
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:16:02 -0700
> From: Jason Quackenbush <jfq at myuw.net>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> 	
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <626682C7-0546-4248-B175-35A2C31B166E at myuw.net>
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> format=flowed
> 
> I work in outsourcing.
> 
> On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Skip Fox wrote:
> 
> > I realize the more interesting question might be: Who
> on the list  
> > doesn't
> > teach and what do you do? (I can read but not post
> from home or I'd  
> > wait to
> > ask this.)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf
> Of Skip Fox
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:59 PM
> > To: amyhappens at yahoo.com; 'NewPoetry: Contemporary
> Poetry News  
> > &amp;Views'
> > Subject: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > Do most of us teach for a living? (I do.)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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> 
> Jason Quackenbush
> jfq at myuw.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:23:38 -0500
> From: "Skip Fox" <skip at louisiana.edu>
> Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> 	
> To: "'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News
> &amp;	Views'"
> 	<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <78D2FC136DE8490DBB54924308429DBF at win.louisiana.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> I outsource my work.
> 
> (Poetry, an exteriorizing of the ulteriors.)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of
> Jason Quackenbush
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:16 PM
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . . 
> 
> I work in outsourcing.
> 
> On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Skip Fox wrote:
> 
> > I realize the more interesting question might be: Who
> on the list  
> > doesn't
> > teach and what do you do? (I can read but not post
> from home or I'd  
> > wait to
> > ask this.)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf
> Of Skip Fox
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:59 PM
> > To: amyhappens at yahoo.com; 'NewPoetry: Contemporary
> Poetry News  
> > &amp;Views'
> > Subject: [New-Poetry] And gladly wolde they lerne and
> gladly . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > Do most of us teach for a living? (I do.)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 
> Jason Quackenbush
> jfq at myuw.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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