[New-Poetry] Stafford the elder

Mon Oct 20 22:14:21 EDT 2008

Thanks. I appreciate it!

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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stafford the elder

Mill -- you have my permission.?
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James Cervantes wrote:?
> You don't need permission from anything or anyone. We could, of > course, split hairs and get nowhere with this one. Like, I'm writing > and . . . >?
> "I . . ." Nope. Shitcan it.?
>?
> "Call . . . " Nope. Least effort.?
>?
> etc.?
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> - Jim?
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Millicent Accardi <millb at aol.com > <mailto:millb at aol.com>> wrote:?
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> I find my worst work gives me permission and space to produce my?
> best work. Putting the kibosh on any efforts before you carry?
> them out stymies the creative process. At least for me.?
>?
> Cheers,?
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> Millicent?
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> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at earthlink.net?
> <mailto:halvard at earthlink.net>>?
> Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:20 am?
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Stafford the elder?
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> If writers didn't lower their standards sometimes, then their?
> best work would really be their worst.?
>?
> Hal?
>?
> McCain / Palin -- Just say thanks but no thanks.?
> They're a bridge to nowhere.?
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> On Oct 20, 2008, at 11:29 AM, James Cervantes wrote:?
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>> Exactly. When I was living in the northwest during the Stafford?
>> haydays (heydays?) we all joked about having to get up earlier?
>> than Stafford in order to catch the good ones. The?
>> lower-your-standards thing should be taken with a grain of salt?
>> or a single malt. It would be o.k. if it didn't continue with?
>> editors.?
>>?
>> - Jim?
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>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Halvard Johnson?
>> <halvard at earthlink.net <mailto:halvard at earthlink.net>> wrote:?
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>> What I remember about William Stafford, apart from a number?
>> of his poems and the fact that his poems were in the Saturday?
>> Review of Literature on an average of every other week, was?
>> that he'd write poems every day from 4 am to 11 am and then?
>> do other things for the rest of the day. His advice to young?
>> writers whose work wasn't coming up to their standards was?
>> to lower their standards. I'd second that. Too many writers try?
>> to write only their best stuff.?
>>?
>> Hal?
>>?
>> McCain / Palin -- Just say thanks but no thanks.?
>> They're a bridge to nowhere.?
>>?
>> Halvard Johnson?
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>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html?
>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/vidalocabooks.html>?
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>> On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:46 AM, JforJames at aol.com?
>> <mailto:JforJames at aol.com> wrote:?
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>>> ASK ME?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> Some time when the river is ice ask me?
>>> mistakes I have made. Ask me whether?
>>> what I have done is my life. Others?
>>> have come in their slow way into?
>>> my thought, and some have tried to help?
>>> or to hurt: ask me what difference?
>>> their strongest love or hate has made.?
>>>?
>>> I will listen to what you say.?
>>> You and I can turn and look?
>>> at the silent river and wait. We know?
>>> the current is there, hidden; and there?
>>> are comings and goings from miles away?
>>> that hold the stillness exactly before us.?
>>> What the river says, this is what I say.?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> --William Stafford?
>>>?
>>> -?
>>> This is one of my favorites by Stafford. He fell out of favor,?
>>> it seems to me, because he became the quintessential examplar?
>>> of the plain-style lyric poet. For a time plain-style was a?
>>> prevailing?
>>> fashion of the day. (& it got boxed about by both the New?
>>> Formalists?
>>> and the Post-Mo camps.)?
>>> Perhaps in these smoke & mirrors times there will be a?
>>> return to plain?
>>> (the poem as clear pane) and away from obfuscated or oblique. >>>?
>>> Finnegan?
>>>?
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>>> From: blacksox at att.net <mailto:blacksox at att.net>?
>>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu?
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>>> Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:16 am?
>>> Subject: [New-Poetry] Stafford awarded $20,000?
>>>?
>>> Maybe I am alone in my being a fan of William Stafford.?
>>> His work has always been political. Most likely from his?
>>> being an conscious objector in WWII. He was never experimental,?
>>> but the spirit of his work, to advance the human condition,?
>>> stands on its own merit.?
>>> >>> An Introduction to Some Poems?
>>> >>> >>>?
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