[New-Poetry] Concerning "fauxpo"

[James Cervantes]

Yes, but going on to living, breathing poets, I'd count Skip Fox as the kind
of poet Allen doesn't seem to think exists.
- Jim

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Anny Ballardini
<anny.ballardini at gmail.com>wrote:

> I agree with Dick Allen.
> I'll answer the third question:
>
> Leonardo, Dante, Nietzsche, Baudelaire, Hoelderlin, Schiller, Ezra Pound,
> and several more.
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> from The Writer's Chronicle (AWP), October/November 2008, "A Recognizable
>> Life: An Interview with Dick Allen," by Leslie McGrath:
>>
>> "McGrath: What are your thoughts about the fragmented, elliptical,
>> 'difficult' poetry written by many young American poets today?
>>
>> Allen:  If you're talking about Language Poetry, I don't consider it
>> 'poetry' but faux poetry, fauxpo, done by theorists.  That's fine and
>> enjoyable in the head, just as Dada was fine and enjoyable, but it's not
>> poetry.  Poetry is an emotional art, which may contain a great deal of
>> reason, but without emotion, without strong ties to understandability,
>> fragmented, elliptical, 'difficult' writing of that sort is just words in
>> arrangements.
>>
>>      In the future, this sort of stuff might mutate to become sections of
>> larger future poems in which there's much weaving through nonsense to
>> meaning.  Some young poets seem to be starting to work in these directions,
>> but we're still waiting.  When the general public, or even the non-English
>> major college student begins buying and quoting these works, then something
>> will have happened.  But it doesn't seem to me that we're anywhere near
>> there yet.
>>
>>      I'm also wondering about the amount of trivia included in many of
>> today's poems.  It seems necessary to include trivia because trivia is so
>> much part and parcel of the 21st century consciousness and day-to-day life.
>> Yet will the future care to remember X-men or a cell phone ring, even
>> when footnoted?  I think there are still new and specific and memorable ways
>> to write about the eternal."
>>
>> Talking points:
>>
>> Isn't all poetry "words in arrangements"?
>>
>> Who is writing the kind of poetry Allen  hints at in the second paragraph
>> of his response?
>>
>> Who has the answers on what is eternal?
>>
>> Why won't Allen pal around with terrorists?
>>
>> - Jim
>>
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