[New-Poetry] Never Mind The Pollocks

[Judy Prince]

R'Owl, you might get some things out of this.
George Szirtes taught art and writing, and he's a good teacher from what
I've read of his clear, helpful suggestions and opinions [on poetry].
 Here's his recent thought- and action-provoking Groan Poetry Workshop
 'instruction':
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/<http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/oct/24/poetry-workshop-george-szirtes-small>
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joodles

2008/11/3 Roger Day <rog3r.day at gmail.com>

> sure - I dont mean "out of control", rather, compare Pollock with say,
> anyone with a brush. It's about how much control does one have over
> the process ... (un)control can never be absolute.
>
> How much choice does one surrender to the process? And how? From
> machine-generated poems to Coleridge's Kubla Khan?
>
>
> Roger
>
> On 11/3/08, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Roger, too tempting, I wish to say just one thing.
> > Pollock was not out of control. I was lucky enough to watch a video shot
> > while he was working. His is a dance, a projection of sorts, a prayer,
> > complete involvement, a magician performing,
> >
> > yes, Pollock is among my favorite painters, high up there on the
> > never-ending ladder.
> >
> > And about Kline, with reference to our previous contributor, I finally
> got
> > to what he meant by being haunted by those powerful black strokes. I had
> > several pages open, and when I returned to the one with Kline's painting
> I
> > felt the 'black grip' sucking you out from the left.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Roger Day <rog3r.day at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The admiration for Pollock expressed in this forum is shared by me.
> > > However, I have .. questions. Art practice is about control: control
> > > of media, the reader/viewer, experience ... yet Pollock pushes those
> > > boundaries. Oh, he has a modicum control in that each painting is a
> > > selection of colours and he places them - approximately and this is
> > > the rub - where he wants but if Art practice is continuum of control
> > > to un-control, then his methods swing to the latter unlike, say,
> > > Rothko whose methods veer towards absolute control. Who are Pollocks
> > > heirs? Not many, I think. Damien Hirst for one, possibly. Any others?
> > >
> > > My tutor hated Pollock to the extent that Pollock disappeared off his
> > > teaching map.
> > >
> > > How does this translate into poetry? If poetic practice is about
> > > control, whose poetical methods resemble Pollocks? Whose poetry is the
> > > parallel of Pollocks paintings?
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > --
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> > > to objects and their fields"
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> > star!
> >
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