[New-Poetry] Poetic Justice

[Judy Prince]

Hey, Bob,
Just post-birthday party [5 yr old grandboys] ruminatings:  Choose whatever
word you want for Breathtaking, and somehow tell me [this is an invite to
any NP'ers, of course] with not so much who was influenced by whom, or
poet-critic jargon---just whole poems---what works as 'Breathtaking' or
near-Breathtaking, poetically, for you.  And as someone [sorry, forgot who]
suggested, if you want, to put poems side-by-side or under one a nother for
illustrating the "why's" for your liking one poem more than the other.

I'm thinking that we're each of us a bit terrified to face the responses to
our choices.  Easier to flail about happily with painting critiques and
preferences than our Real Love [which's I assume our reason for being on
this and other poetry lists].  I'm totally afraid to offer my choices; it'll
be like initiating a public flogging of my children!

So you start.  <g>

I pledge to follow!!!!

Judy

2008/11/1 Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>

> Judy Prince wrote:
>
>> Indeed it would be a cool thing about JP's breakthroughs, if he'd done
>> them before his teacher Thomas Hart Benton and before the Way Muscular
>> murals of Orozco and Siqueiros [S who showed JP in that experimental
>> workshop in 1936 the pour'y 'paints', liquid ceramic, as well as the throw,
>> spatter, and drip techniques] and if all of his buddies hadn't been doing
>> AbEx.
>>
> I would say his buddies were doing non-representational painting, not abex.
>  If they were doing abex, they had gotten to where Pollock went.  And, sure,
> other painters splattered and dripped at times, in otherwise conventionally
> representational pictures (albeit far from photo-realism) but he took it to
> the final extreme, producing complete pictures with it.
>
>> A situation of questionable eminence rather like Picasso whose rep's
>> founded upon the art he did in response to seeing African masks.
>>
> Not for me.  What he did was marry primitive visual art to traditional
> painting, with the addition of a lot of other stuff from, for example,
> Cezanne.  He was no more indebted to the African masks than Klee (my
> favorite painter although I don't consider him the most important painter
> ever) was to children's painting.
>
>>
>> Pollock continually wondered if he were a Real Artist, or just a maker of
>> wallpaper patterns.  I rather love a few of those wallpaper patterns.
>>
>> And I'm fascinated with the bold black calligraphic paintings of Franz
>> Kline, his reaction to Japanese brush writing-painting, which is a reaction
>> to Chinese brush writing-painting.  Kline's mother said about him and the
>> black paint [I'll have to paraphrase]:  "Just like Franz, always taking the
>> easy way."  One can only imagine what Rothko's mother would've said.
>>
>> So far, dear Bob, I've found plenty of paintings which're stunning and/or
>> beautiful, and brilliantly skillfully done, but none which, to me, are
>> Breathtaking.
>>
>> I'd love to find a fine artwork that brings the ecstasy and weeping of
>> Jessye Norman's singing 'Dove Sono' back in the 80s.
>>
>> Some poetry, though, does Breathtaking----thank goodness!
>>
>>  Well, it's apples and oranges to me.  I like each of the major arts about
> equally, but differently--although, yes, music is the most important to me.
>
>
>
> --Bob
>
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