[New-Poetry] from edward mycue who thinks rude is rude and not a riddle

Sat May 17 18:14:38 EDT 2008

but don't try to apologize further.  it'll only lead to  evasion, dissembling, self-serving contrition and archeology of recriminations (who said what first, and who meant what when, or what we feel) .

  as for the children's
  rime game: 
                  do you remember the one where one child says something about the other's verbal charge being subject to one being rubber and the other glue? "i'm rubber and you're glue. whatever you say will bounce off me and stick to you."?

  that's quite like your three fingers riposte. it's cute. i don't know how i missed hearing it. or recalling it.  (there're probably a few dissertations on that kind of thing.  somewhat riddle-like.  but i wonder if the opie collections of phrases mightn't trace such back for how many generations?)

  what we need to do is sprinkle some rue over the whole thing the way ophelia did:

    "there's rue for you, hand here's some for me!  we may call it 'herb of grace'  o' sundays."

  and let this all be a lesson to ourselves to avoid getting chewed-up with religious gumballs.

  sincerely, edward mycue (sincerety in literature doesn't make it true but indicates intensity.)(oh, i'm not a teacher, either.)

Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com> wrote:
  Oy, here we go again. I don't think I was rude at all. I was defending myself. 

When you physically point a finger at someone, (pointer finger) three point back at you (middle, ring, pinkie). It's like the kids say, "Check yourself before you wreck yourself."

I'm sure we'd be friends, too. I'm relatively young and callow, but have lived my share of lifetimes. I'm not a professor or close to it, so I bow respectfully to the others on this list, despite their pomposity/semantics.

Continued peace and love, 
Suzanne

  On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 2:14 PM, edward mycue <mycueed at yahoo.com> wrote:
    well, it seems to me the proof the the expression "hoist by your own petard",  but maybe not. and yes, we should all be nice to one another.

   what by the way to you mean by "three point back at you"? i gather fingers, but why 'three' and if three what does that mean really? (i'll go hunt in brewer's phrase and fable now.) 

  hope everybody is cooling down now these quite hot summer days (at least in san francisco where i live).

  i'll bet, suzanne, if we knew oneanother, we'd be friends. you have a lot of vim and very likely mean well but just got angry and lost your head. i do the same.  (i'm wondering if i should have not commented at all, especially being new to all this--even though probably ancient in your years.)(plus not used to being into the rough and tumble with the bigger boys and girls, and women and men.)     edward mycue     

Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com> wrote:

  This is my last attempt to respond to this thread. My email is a nickname, a bastardization of my name, Suzanne. Insert jokes here___.

I no longer wish to engage in acrimonious discussions about the SGI, Buddhism, Daisaku Ikeda (UN Peace Ambassador). I was simply trying to defend personal attacks on my Buddhist practice, my character, and other matters not relating to poetry.

I think I provided enough entertainment and discussion fodder. Glad I could amuse you all.

Edward, I was simply keeping you abreast of the comments made by a certain list member -- since you asked for evidence of the "F word." I have never met this person, and he has insulted me a few times. 

[When you point a finger at another, three point back at you...insert hackneyed remarks here_________.]

Despite our harsh words, I wish Joseph well. He's bright and opinionated.  I was wrong to forward his remarks. I also regret upsetting anyone on this list. 

As for purposeful put-ons, perhaps you needn't jump into discussions to call attention to what you render the "whole glossolalia of nonsense."

A lesson to us all,
The ever-unpopular
Suzanne

  On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:34 PM, edward mycue <mycueed at yahoo.com> wrote:
  dear suzanne baran, 

ah, now i see the phrase you object to that you have highlighted ("...fucking mush....") in joseph duemer's response to this whole glossolalia of nonsense. . 

but don't you see also that by jumping onto his wording that you are engaging in dissembling?  you are attempting changing the focus of what the arguement is about by resorting to what amounts to an ad hominem distraction.

this is especially odd since your email moniker is written as screwzbaran at gmail.com.  "screwz" alone might refer to crazy or screwball or screwing, the latter another term for "fucking"--and both these latter often called "bad" words even though i don't think of it that way.  

what is going on here? it doesn't seem to be a purposeful put-on.

sincerely, edward mycue     

Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com> wrote:

  "Teh stupid! Please make it stop! Buddhist evangelicalism! And all this making nice in a poetic political correctness sort of way? Let's call a cult a cult. My god, this is a depressing discussion. No wonder nobody respects poets -- their brains have all turned to fucking mush. The grammar & rhetoric of Ms. Baran's sentences in the posts above are evidence enough for me to never credit anything she says. Complete twaddle. Language matters. (Just an attempt to bring this thread into some sort of relevance for a poetry discussion list.)"

jd

  On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, edward mycue <mycueed at yahoo.com> wrote:
  i missed the "f" word referred to.  "the 'f' word" generally in my world means "fuck".  i haven't been following this conversation closely; i just joined this newpoetry site. i went back and looked at posts identified as coming from joseph
and failed to locate that word. edward mycue
p.s. if i find it, what shall i infer?
Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com> wrote:   At least I have the sense and common decency not to use the "F" word. Too bad you don't have any poetry worth reading. Your hollow words tear down others. How academic! 

  On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
  Funny, the original post led to a story about the "world's worst poet" & he was pretty bad, but Daisaku Ikeda gives William McGonagall serious competition. Here is an excerpt from a poem called "Poetry":

  This rich fountain of the spirit I call the poetic heart
the poetic heart that is the source 
of all human creativity
and power of imagination 
It fashions the dreams 
and daring and hopes of this earth
creates harmony and concord
It possesses a force no person whosoever can defy
It transforms the wasteland within us into a fertile plain

Great poems trenchantly capture the truth
of that human life force
that blends with and beats in rhythm
with nature and the universe
They overflow with compassion
and feeling for all beings
They rouse and call forth the poetic heart in others
They bring out the flower and fragrance 
in human nature
This I believe: restitution of the poetic heart means
nothing less than transforming the coming age
into the century of the human being!

Ms. Baren misunderstands my original objections, assuming that by "grammar & rhetoric" I meant the sort of surface features one's sixth grade teacher corrects in red pen. But of course that's not what I'm talking about at all, but about empty grammatical forms put to specious rhetorical uses. The quotation that began this conversation is as bathetic as the poem above. I'm offended by this kind of language and the fact that it is not howled down even on a poetry discussion list is a mark of intellectual decrepitude. No doubt such sentiments will earn me the spit-flecked epithets of "sir" and (even more damning) "professor" again. So be it. 

jd     

  On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:14 AM, <shin02143 at aol.com> wrote:
  I agree completely, Joseph. But it is important to alert people to the danger of cults such as SGI.   

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] World's worst poet

    Teh stupid! Please make it stop! Buddhist evangelicalism! And all this making nice in a poetic political correctness sort of way? Let's call a cult a cult. My god, this is a depressing discussion. No wonder nobody respects poets -- their brains have all turned to fucking mush. The grammar & rhetoric of Ms. Baran's sentences in the posts above are evidence enough for me to never credit anything she says. Complete twaddle. Language matters. (Just an attempt to bring this thread into some sort of relevance for a poetry discussion list.)

jd

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