[New-Poetry] World's worst poet from edward mycue

[Suzanne Baran]

"Teh stupid! Please make it stop! Buddhist evangelicalism! And all this
making nice in a poetic political correctness sort of way? Let's call a cult
a cult. My god, this is a depressing discussion. No wonder nobody respects
poets -- their brains have all turned to *fucking* mush. The grammar &
rhetoric of Ms. Baran's sentences in the posts above are evidence enough for
me to never credit anything she says. Complete twaddle. Language matters.
(Just an attempt to bring this thread into some sort of relevance for a *
poetry* discussion list.)"

jd



On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, edward mycue <mycueed at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i missed the "f" word referred to.  "the 'f' word" generally in my world
> means "fuck".  i haven't been following this conversation closely; i just
> joined this newpoetry site. i went back and looked at posts identified as
> coming from joseph
> and failed to locate that word. edward mycue
> p.s. if i find it, what shall i infer?
> *Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> At least I have the sense and common decency not to use the "F" word. Too
> bad you don't have any poetry worth reading. Your hollow words tear down
> others. How academic!
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Funny, the original post led to a story about the "world's worst poet" &
>> he was pretty bad, but Daisaku Ikeda<http://www.sgi.org/about/president/works/exhibit.html>gives William
>> McGonagall
>> <http://real-us.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080516/ennew_afp/entertainmentbritainpoetryauction>serious
>> competition. Here is an excerpt from a poem called "Poetry":
>>
>> This rich fountain of the spirit I call the poetic heart
>> the poetic heart that is the source
>> of all human creativity
>> and power of imagination
>> It fashions the dreams
>> and daring and hopes of this earth
>> creates harmony and concord
>> It possesses a force no person whosoever can defy
>> It transforms the wasteland within us into a fertile plain
>>
>> Great poems trenchantly capture the truth
>> of that human life force
>> that blends with and beats in rhythm
>> with nature and the universe
>> They overflow with compassion
>> and feeling for all beings
>> They rouse and call forth the poetic heart in others
>> They bring out the flower and fragrance
>> in human nature
>> This I believe: restitution of the poetic heart means
>> nothing less than transforming the coming age
>> into the century of the human being!
>>
>> Ms. Baren misunderstands my original objections, assuming that by "grammar
>> & rhetoric" I meant the sort of surface features one's sixth grade teacher
>> corrects in red pen. But of course that's not what I'm talking about at all,
>> but about empty grammatical forms put to specious rhetorical uses. The
>> quotation that began this conversation is as bathetic as the poem above. I'm
>> offended by this kind of language and the fact that it is not howled down
>> even on a poetry discussion list is a mark of intellectual decrepitude. No
>> doubt such sentiments will earn me the spit-flecked epithets of "sir" and
>> (even more damning) "professor" again. So be it.
>>
>> jd
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:14 AM, <shin02143 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree completely, Joseph. But it is important to alert people to the
>>> danger of cults such as SGI.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:08 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] World's worst poet
>>>
>>>  Teh stupid! Please make it stop! Buddhist evangelicalism! And all this
>>> making nice in a poetic political correctness sort of way? Let's call a cult
>>> a cult. My god, this is a depressing discussion. No wonder nobody respects
>>> poets -- their brains have all turned to fucking mush. The grammar &
>>> rhetoric of Ms. Baran's sentences in the posts above are evidence enough for
>>> me to never credit anything she says. Complete twaddle. Language matters.
>>> (Just an attempt to bring this thread into some sort of relevance for a
>>> *poetry* discussion list.)
>>>
>>> jd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joseph Duemer
>>> Professor of Humanities
>>> Clarkson University
>>> Weblog: sharpsand.net
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>>
>> --
>> Joseph Duemer
>> Professor of Humanities
>> Clarkson University
>> Weblog: sharpsand.net
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"Who is truly great? I hope you can develop the ability to discern true
human greatness. A great person is someone who forges unity among human
beings through sincere dialogue, armed with a solid philosophy, feet firmly
planted on the ground. A great person is one who lives among the people and
earns their unshakable trust. Fickle popularity and temporary fads are
nothing but illusions."

Daily Encouragement - Daisaku Ikeda
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