[New-Poetry] World's worst poet

Fri May 16 21:41:39 EDT 2008

It's not meant to be forceful resistance or breaking anyone! It's a peaceful
org and all this is very propaganda based.

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The Imagery of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra - Other Characters of Interest to
Buddhists
 *Shakubuku in Chinese — *     *Shaku* *Shaku* is *Che* or* She* in
Chinese.

It is composed of two radicals:
      On the left is the front view of a hand.        On the right is an
ax.

*Shaku* is the action of an ax in a hand. It means to cut, to break, to
burst (Wieger <http://www.gakkaionline.net/Imagery/Biblio.html>). To snap,
to decide, to compound, to fold, to subdue evil and receive good
(Soothill<http://www.gakkaionline.net/Imagery/Biblio.html>
).
    *Buku* *    Buku* is *Fu *in Chinese.

It is composed of two radicals:
      On the left is a person.       On the right is a dog.

*Buku* is a person imitating a dog — i.e. being subservient or lowly. It
means to crouch, to prostrate oneself, to hide, to humble
(Wieger<http://www.gakkaionline.net/Imagery/Biblio.html>).
To prostrate, humble, suffer, bear, ambush, dog-days, under control, e.g. as
delusion (Soothill <http://www.gakkaionline.net/Imagery/Biblio.html>).

*Shakubuku *means to break (*Shaku*) delusion (*Buku*) — to cut suffering —
to empower.

Critics of Nichiren's Buddhism commonly mistranslate the word *Shakubuku* as
"to break and subdue." The problem with this "translation" is that the word
"and" (*ni* in Chinese) does not appear in the word *Shakubuku*.  If it did,
it would read *Shakunibuku*.

*Shakubuku* is not breaking and subduing people, it is stopping suffering
and awakening to life's potential.

*Another point:* It is better not to say: "This is John, my *Shakubuku*." It
makes a new person sound like a possession.

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Suzanne Burns <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For what it is worth, here is what the Encyclopedia Britannica says:
>
> "After World War II, Soka-gakkai, under the leadership of Toda Josei
> (1900–58), grew rapidly through a technique of evangelism called
> shakubuku (Japanese: "break and subdue"), in which the resistance of
> the other person is destroyed by forceful argument. "
>
> Does "shakubuku" in fact mean "break and subdue"?
>
> Anyone out there know Japanese?
>
> Suzanne
>
>
> On 5/16/08, Suzanne Baran <screwzbaran at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually, it means to introduce someone to the practice. No mind control
> > tactics take place. Sorry you've had some negative experiences!
> >
> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM, <shin02143 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The term you are thinking of is "shakubuku" - it is a Japanese term
> which
> >> in essence means breaking someone's resistance and recruiting them into
> >> SGI
> >> through mind control. People who recruit people into SGI boast that they
> >> "shakubuku'ed" the newcomer.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Suzanne Burns <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:44 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] World's worst poet
> >>
> >>  Here we go:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EFDF153DF937A25752C1A96F958260
> >>
> >>
> >> I spent some time hanging out with folks from Soka Gakkai some years
> ago.
> >> They were nice people in many ways, they were also highly intent upon
> >> converting me and in my opinion very controlling and pushy.  It struck
> me
> >> as
> >> a very "high demand" religion.  After awhile it seemed really clear to
> me
> >> that converting me was pretty much all there was to their overtures of
> >> friendship-- it quickly became the only topic on conversation, and one
> >> person told me that you get "points" for converting someone (she had a
> >> specific word for it which I don't remember.
> >>
> >> I've never encountered any other branch of Buddhism that was like this.
> >> Not my thing at all.  So that was that.
> >>
> >> To each their own....
> >>
> >>
> >> Suzanne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You mean I should stop thinking continuously of those who were truly
> >>> great.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bob Grumman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  -- "Who is truly great? I hope you can develop the ability to discern
> >>>>> true human greatness. A great person is someone who forges unity
> among
> >>>>> human
> >>>>> beings through sincere dialogue, armed with a solid philosophy, feet
> >>>>> firmly
> >>>>> planted on the ground. A great person is one who lives among the
> people
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> earns their unshakable trust. Fickle popularity and temporary fads
> are
> >>>>> nothing but illusions." Daily Encouragement - Daisaku Ikeda
> >>>>>
> >>>> If this is supposed to be an example of the work of the world's worst
> >>>> poet, I would say it refutes the title: (1) it isn't poetry; (2) it
> >>>> isn't
> >>>> horrible, just standardly air-headed new-age sentimentality
> >>>>
> >>>> --Bob G.
> >>>>
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> > "Who is truly great? I hope you can develop the ability to discern true
> > human greatness. A great person is someone who forges unity among human
> > beings through sincere dialogue, armed with a solid philosophy, feet
> firmly
> > planted on the ground. A great person is one who lives among the people
> and
> > earns their unshakable trust. Fickle popularity and temporary fads are
> > nothing but illusions."
> >
> > Daily Encouragement - Daisaku Ikeda
> >
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-- 
"Who is truly great? I hope you can develop the ability to discern true
human greatness. A great person is someone who forges unity among human
beings through sincere dialogue, armed with a solid philosophy, feet firmly
planted on the ground. A great person is one who lives among the people and
earns their unshakable trust. Fickle popularity and temporary fads are
nothing but illusions."

Daily Encouragement - Daisaku Ikeda
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